The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 343: THE DEFIANT

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

Rock Legends Who Stood Their Ground on COVID, Debut New Band, The Defiant; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on New Scrutiny over the WEF’s agenda, Excess Deaths Debated in UK and Australia Hearings, Johnson & Johnson Try A Third Time to Escape Wave of Lawsuits Over Talc Baby Powder; Beloved Vet, Dr. Dym, talks about vaccines and pets, and much more.GUESTS: Dr. Michael Dym, VMD, Dicky Barrett, Pete Parada, Johnny Rioux, Joey LaRocca, Greg Camp of The DefiantBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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are out there in the world, it's time to step out into the high wire. Now, I don't know about you, but I think most of us around the world, especially speaking for myself, man, music has been such an important part in my life, especially rock and roll, you know, those moments where you just felt like you were all alone, those lonely moments, but you always had music to go to and sit there and, you know, think about your thoughts and what's going on, your emotions, whether it was a breakup or something going on, or maybe just the teacher was being a total jerk that day. You always had another brick in the wall or something you could listen to that just said, you know what? I'm not all alone, man. Rock and roll knows the world is crazy too. In fact, I took that to another level. I got to,

you know, do my own performing. I did some singing in bands. In fact, I got to even tour with my wife's band, the Lee Nestor band. And in one highlight moment, we opened for the Goo Goo Goo Dolls back in the day. So music has always been a part of my life and it's always been there no matter how crazy the world was, it just made me feel like everything's going to be all right until this happened. Well, concerts are back. We're opening with a bang. Some event organizers are finding new creative ways to ensure the show can go on safely. Preping for Lala 2021 meant a lot more than just picking out your festival outfit. In order to get in, you have to bring either proof of vacuble. or a negative COVID test.

Bruce Springsteen will return to Broadway as the first show to open since March last year, but on one condition. Attendees will be required to show proof of COVID vaccination. Harry Stiles asking his fans to mask up and show proof of vaccination. The Jonas Brothers, they are now the latest artist to require you to bring your proof of vaccination card

to their upcoming concerts. Maroon 5 says it's gonna require proof of COVID vaccination. attend concerts. Thousands of fans packed the iconic Madison Square Garden Arena in New York City. But before anyone could get in to see the foo fighters, they were asked to show proof of vaccination. When it comes to my band and my crew, we want to make it as safe as a place as possible. But not everyone is happy the foo fighters are holding a concert for only vaccinated fans. To hold a concert that is for vaccinated people only is segregation. And to limit a concert venue to one group of people is horrendous.

This delusional, evil idea that you get to do whatever you want and the rest of the world be damned is really terrible. You got to identify those people and bring them out into the open so you know who they are. If you're willing to walk among us unvaccinated, you are an enemy. I beg you and implore you to go get jabbed if you're not already. because you need the help. I despair seeing these people protesting against the vaccine, protesting against their rights being violated because they might have to wear a mask. Jesus Christ, guys.

This morning, Spotify's most popular podcaster, Joe Rogan, famously known for questioning vaccine safety, may have caused the streaming platform a rock icon. Neil Young, I am doing this because Spotify is spreading fake information about vaccines. People were distressed by the fact that, Spotify was doing this misinformation. Purposely is saying this stuff that he knows isn't true about COVID. I just called up my management and said, we're out of there.

That is such integrity. The singer-songwriter, Joni Mitchell, has said she'll remove her music from the streaming service Spotify in a row about coronavirus misinformation on a podcast. She said she stood in solidarity with Neil Young. warned lies were costing people their lives. Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. I'm begging of you, please don't hesitate. Well, COVID definitely had its casualties,

but probably one of the biggest casualties was rock and roll itself. It really felt like that was the day that music died, certainly in America and around the world, as some of our leading rebels, rock and roll rebels, all cowtowed to the system and the machine, demanded that anyone that came around them be forcibly vaccinated or don't come and see me sing certainly stick with whatever the government's telling you to do doesn't matter how untested it is. It was a truly dark time, I think, in art, especially music, especially when we think of rock

and roll being that rebellious spirit, that independent spirit. But as all things happen, out of that, those ashes is rising a Phoenix in an incredible new band of guys that just said, all right, screw it. If we can't be in the bands we were originally in, it can't perform the way we always read. Let's start our own band. That band is called The Defiant. And they join me right now.

Dickie Barrett, mighty, muddy boss tones. We've got Pete Pirata from the Offspring, Greg Camp from Smashmouth, Johnny Ryu from Street Dogs, and Joey LaRocca from the Briggs. It's really an honor. I don't know for a fact. There's never been this much rock and roll royalty sitting at this desk.

Probably we'll never reach this level again. So I want to thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having us. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Dickie, you know, you came on our show after you'd sort of been unceremoniously released from your late night talk show gig, Jimmy Kimmel, and then Mighty Mighty Boss Tones. Didn't want to sing with you if you weren't going to get vaccinated. So how did this all come together?

Well, I knew some people. I've been making music for a long time and I didn't want to stop making music. That's what I loved. That's all I really knew. And so I got in touch with some people. I got in touch with Greg here, a long time and dear friend, and said, hey, what are you doing, buddy? And he said, well, let's try to write songs together. And then we incorporated Pete and then we incorporated Joey, and then we incorporated Johnny. And the song started to get really good. And we said, we might have something here. And if nothing else, we love being around each other and we love making this music. So we

persevered and pursued it. And then we've now got an album coming out October 27th to make a short story longer. That's the whole that's the nuts and bolts of the whole thing. So P. U.E., I mean your story's somewhat similar.

You were, your band, offspring, they were up and running, still out, touring. What went down there? Yeah, I mean, in the summer of 2021, the whole music industry was trying to kind of figure out how to unring the bell of, you know, we've told everyone to stay home, don't come out to shows, no one, don't go out anywhere. Everyone was bombarded with fear for over a year. And then it was like, well, now we'd like people to start paying for tickets and T-shirts and coming back out again.

And I think the industry as a whole came up with the solution was the fully vaccinated tour, right? We'll make sure everyone in the bands and crews are vaccinated. And that way we don't look like bad guys for going out and asking people to congregate again, but we need to coax people back out of their houses and try to get back to normal. And so when I saw that coming, I kind of knew it was going to be an issue and it hit ahead for me pretty quickly to where, you know, my band's manager kind of came at me really aggressively and just got a crazy phone call out of nowhere where it was very abusive and threatening and he made it very clear to me that I was to get the shot or I would be replaced and no uncertain terms.

And, you know, I tried to talk to the band about it, but they backed him up. And so overnight, I was gone just kind of erased. How had you been with the band? 14 years at that point. So, yeah, and then I found out I was replaced from my Southwest app when my flight to rehearsal was canceled. And then my access to the work calendar was revoked. And then I was just gone. That was it.

You know, overnight over this one issue. You know, I mean, 14 years, I never missed a day of work, a rehearsal, or a video shoot or a concert. and, you know, that was my priority for everything. And was the concern in that, I mean, what was the concern that was voiced? Was it your fact that you would be dangerous to the band or just, it was how it would be represented to the world? I think that they wanted to be able to, like everybody else, to say, well, we have a fully vaccinated tour. And, you know, my point was that, you know, not everybody needs to do this. There should be nuance here.

There should be exemptions for people who've had a history of bad reactions like I had. And it didn't matter, you know, as much as a lot of people in the industry said, well, we've all, everyone's got to do this to protect the people that can't. If you were one of the people that couldn't, it was so like, well, no, we're not talking about you. We're talking about the nameless, faceless people that we just want to be the good guys here. And I think that was the thing. Everyone just wanted to look like the good guys. And wanted, no one wanted to take any grief or any trouble for having someone who was not going to get on board with it. And, you know, that's how it was. It wasn't. just my band, you know, every, this was industry-wide, everyone was getting leaned on from band members to crew members. You know, but it was interesting that most artists did not mandate it on their audiences, though, because, you know, mandating it on your crew and your band, good for business, mandating it on your audience, bad for business. So, and then that didn't make sense. Like if you've got your, on the one side of the curtain, everyone is supposedly fully vaccinated, but everybody in the audience doesn't have to be, then what's the point of

any of it. It was truly crazy. We were playing festivals and stuff where they'd say, well, backstage, everybody's going to be social distancing, we're quiet to wear a mask, we're going to check, COVID test before you get in there. This protocol was insane. And then you'd hit the stage. I remember we played a riot fest in Chicago. Then we hit the stage and everybody in the audience was on top of each other and your brain can't help going, well, these people don't matter, but what's going on backstage is a whole different thing. thing. So that thinking to me was right there, the hypocrisy right there. The rock and roll version of sit in the restaurant, you can take your mask off, stand, and it better be on a we're all going to

die. Yeah, it wasn't about protecting people in any way. It was about protecting profits and getting the money machine rolling again. And, you know, that's just kind of how it shook out. Posturing. Now, Greg, for you, a smash mouth. Greg won't say this, but it's important to point out he wrote the biggest, the most popular smash mouth songs. All right. The ones that your kids to this day still hum along to Greg Penn those. And do all you guys have kids? Is that, you know? Yeah. Yes. All right. So Joey, how old are your kids? 13 and 8. Now, when it comes to this issue, was this all sort of nudity? Was it just COVID that sort of stepped over the line? No, not necessarily. I mean, it was always something philosophically that we just really were very

very cautious about, you know, in terms of that. And that's, Greg and I were, our families are very tight. We were very close family friends and, you know, we, we, we shared a lot of similar views in just in terms of, you know, autonomy and things like that and medical autonomy and things. So that was, that was definitely how, but, you know, we, we sort of found, we kind of found each other in that and sort of not we didn't necessarily find each other in that but in terms of the band in itself i feel like we all kind of started to figure out where everyone kind of lied on on these things so Greg you even were involved in SB 277 a little bit right yeah my wife um you know was an educator and a protester and marching and all that um you know joey and my family marched and uh what was it san die

Santa Monica. Yeah. And, you know, stopping at the park on the way to the building. But, yeah, she was very involved in that. So SB 277 for anyone out there that's not aware, because it's now some distance that we sort of get used to those of us that have been thinking about this for some time. But that's actually sort of where I jumped in, right at, you know, right around 2015-2016 is when I started working as documentary Vax. And right at that same time, SB 277 was, you know, in play. In fact, what was crazy for me is I remember I was working at CBS on the daytime talks to the doctors and I actually got a phone call from our executives that said, come over to the stage right away. We're taping a piece that we're going to stick in your show that's going live tomorrow. It's like a pre-tape show. And so I ran over and was sitting backstage, you know, watching all the monitors. It was going to quickly do a paper edit because it had to be cut so fast. And outwalked Senator Richard Pan selling this brand new law idea. He's going to get. got, you know, SB 277. So that was literally the moment I was introduced to it was when he was presenting it to the world on our show. And I just remember I wasn't vaccinating my one child at that

moment. I wasn't vaccinated as a kid. So for me, it was like, I'm going to be like last the Mohicans here. Like he wants to make it illegal to raise your kids the way I was raised. But it was really scary. I was really scary the things that he was saying, just amazing, this idea that it would forcibly inject children and now they're going to have no choice. And so how many of you guys, like we're already looking at this issue prior to COVID? Did any of you just wake up to it during COVID? I pretty much did. I mean, I kind of, I still just know that I just know that I don't trust Big Pharma or the government.

I've had my own sort of passed with that in terms of I had some addiction issues. that were brought on by what the doctors were giving me. And it had a terrible effect on my family life and this and that. So I knew that I didn't trust Big Pharma. And I knew that, and I could see that the way it was reporting and the way it was unfolding during COVID, I could see sort of the hypocrisy, you know.

And just the, like I just, there were so many things that weren't adding up, but you could see how people were just being sort of, brainwashed in the issue, you know what I mean? Yeah. And honestly, my friendship with Dickie, we had a sort of text thread that went across, you know, it wasn't about this issue, it was with other sort of Boston musicians. Okay.

And through that, like, it started out with little comments here and there about what was happening. And I think just sort of along the way, I've really educated myself a little bit more on the, on the topic, but it's really just no further for me than I don't really trust the government and I don't really trust Big Pharma. So that's a good starting point, you know. Seems like kind of a central theme of all rock and roll, I thought. Yeah, yeah. Certainly any sort of movement towards punk, you would think that that would be the case.

There's nobody punk or than Johnny. I mean, have you, I honestly have sat and tried to figure out a reason why rock and roll went so hard. Why, why this? Is it just money? Is it just, we just want to get paid? I think it was when you take everyone's income source away for over a year. You know, I mean, musicians are used to being on the road a lot and you go through your cycle, you make your record, you're out on the road and everything kind of overlaps different artists, but everyone came off the road at once and then everyone wanted to get back on the road at once. And I think when you've been out of a paycheck for a year like that, and this is the thing that's going to get you back

to work, that was the carrot that was dangled. And, you know, when certain artists came out and started playing shows that were only for vaccinated or you had to show your card to get in, that set a precedent. You know, when some really large artists did that, then everybody else was like, well, they did that, so now we all have to do that. And that made it hard on everybody. There was a lot of, like, come on, don't you just want a tour? Let's come on.

Let's get back on the route. Yeah, are you going to be that guy? Or it was just like, let's just make this, even if it's sacrifice, we've got to do it for people. do it for the music. You're being selfish. And then that's how they would write you off too. They would say this is how they've decided we're all going to get back to work.

And after all, we're rock and roll or punk rock. So, you know, you've done sketchy things. Like you've gone to the bathroom at CBGV's. What's a little shot? Right. Okay. Are you drank at 9 o'clock in the morning? What's a little shot of this?

Yeah. Really going to be that big a difference? We got it. This is how we're all getting back to work. And if you even suggested something else, then you were. you were against your friends going back to work, you know, is how it was sort of phrased. Like, I have a family to feed. How come you're against me going to work?

It's like not that. In fairness to the Boston's, they didn't really have an issue. I mean, told them early on that there's going to be a time when, in order for us to play shows, and in order for us to go on the road or fly or do anything, that we're all going to have to get vaccine, this shot. And I'm not going to do it. And I'm not going to tell our fans to do it. And so there wasn't much objection to that. And at the beginning, they were, you're crazy.

That's never going to happen. And then as it's happening, they're going, it made people in the band. And there's a lot of Boston's uncomfortable. But no one said I had to do that. The problem they had was when I started getting involved with Bobby Kennedy, and he asked me to write that song. So that made, they didn't really, you know,

the mainstream media was saying. things about him that weren't necessarily true and they didn't really have the proper information, but that made them super nervous, some of them. You came on my show. I mean, you started catching some visibility around the issue, which I suppose have been one thing if you just kept a freaking mouth shut. I know, but I couldn't do that. I told you at the time, I couldn't, you know, I couldn't be quiet.

I couldn't signal, I don't know what, you know, like let people think one way or the other. I had to say, I'm not into this. I'm not doing it. Right. So, but you do you. Right. I wasn't telling them what anybody what to do, but this is my decision. And I wouldn't pretend.

I wouldn't get a fake card. I wouldn't like, you know, hide in the shadows. So because I didn't want anybody's choices based on my choice. Right. I wanted their choices to be thought out and based on, you know, their own sort of, which is what I did. Who is the, for you guys? I mean, as you sat there and, you know, obviously for us, it's just, you know, people that watch rock and roll, you're all like these superstars. Was there one superstar that sort of just turned on and went and went for the vaccine that really hit you?

Like, oh, my God, that's it. This is over. They're going to go. Like, I can't believe that person turned. Is there, like, one guy or one band or? I can't point to one person and maybe these guys could. But the whole genre, like to, like, for me, I thought we were in training for these days. I thought punk rock was like someday, you know, maybe not right, you know, maybe we're very comfortable right now and everything, but when the shit hits the fan, let's go punks.

And I said that and I look back and it was like, you go. You go. Tell us what it's like. Just me? And then luckily I found these guys. When you're thinking about punk, right? It's always anti-establishment. It certainly has an anti-government spin on it, like, you know, and I wouldn't put anarchy on it. but it certainly is a resonating theme, but you would imagine that if all the people, the punkers, we're going to know when the government has stepped over the line and will be the ones and clearly...

At least question authority, anyways. I named an album question the answers. Right, right. And I was like, and I know, it was questioning the answers, questioning everyone was like, okay, let's... Oh, I guess you'd need your own research. Right, right, Dr. Google.

Yeah. It was an amazing time. It was amazing to me that we just... just lived through something that was basically, trust the experts, do no research, you're smart, do your own research, do your own reading, and you're an idiot, right? I mean, like, we've never seen, we were all, I mean, our generation at least, and I guess I'm probably a little bit to some of you, but either way, in school it was like, ask, there's no such thing as a dumb question, ask questions, and suddenly we live in this time, like, don't ask any questions at all,

or you're an idiot. It went from read a book to, don't read a book. Not just an idiot, but you're dangerous. Dangerous. Yeah. To me, that was kind of terrifying because, you know, if you say, well, you can't question that or we can't talk about that or we're not going to ask questions here, then my interest is piqued because it's like, well, why not? Like, why is that off limits and why should anything be off limits, especially with such an

unprecedented time that we are all living through to pigeonhole everybody onto this one path, and that's it. That's your only option here. Don't question anything. Don't ask. Don't talk about it. that was really a giant red flag for me. The idea that these mandates were targeting children as well

was what was, for me, that was the part where I was like, I can't believe there's so many people that are quiet on this issue and they're making children participate in this too. It was never any of the data or evidence to suggest that it was even remotely a good idea. But we just kind of all went along with it and putting our children at risk the way that we did. Well, people moved into self-censorship, too. Like when, you know, when my situation deteriorated and I put a statement out of like,

here's why I'm not in the band anymore, here's what's going on for me. Yeah. I heard from people all around the world overnight, like, oh my God, thank you for saying something. I feel the same way. I thought I was the only one. Yeah. I realized, like, we've been bombarded with this message and this propaganda of, you're the

only one that feels this way. You're the outlier here. You're the only one who has questions. You're in it was very shaming. And it kind of cowed a lot of people into them. of like, well, I don't want to lose anything socially or I don't want to lose anything in my workplace. And I think the more people that spoke out, it really kind of gave everybody else more

of a voice to have room here. And I heard from plenty of people in the industry and actors and things. People wrote to me privately going, hey, thanks for saying something. I wish I could, but I don't want it to cost me anything. And my answer was like, well, it's going to cost you now or it can cost you later. You know, for me, I've got two daughters, and I'm like, what kind of world do I want to leave for them? I want to show them that, you know, you either fight to keep the rights you have, it's so much easier to do that than to try to get them back once they've been taken away. Yeah.

And, yeah, so for me, it was really alarming to find out how many people felt that way, but had been kind of shamed into silence. Well, I was going to ask you, I mean, you know, even though all these bands went along with it, was there a day? decent percentage that were like clearly like I'm not down either but I'm just gonna do it or did you feel like everyone kind of just bought in really I think you know I think you know I think there's a decent amount of people in the shadows and yeah and still my you know I like go for it dicky but we can't you know we don't they don't want to upset that apple cart and it's yeah have have fun I heard from plenty of bands the first couple months after I was replaced that were on the same festivals as my former band and they were writing me going, why aren't you here? Like, we're not vaccinated.

We're on the same show. Like, there's no reason for you to not be here. And I said, I know that. And you know that. So other bands have made other decisions. Like, we're just going to fake it. Well, you know, plenty of people working on fake cards and whatever to keep things going. But same as Dickie. For me, I didn't want to do that because then I'm, I've lost my voice. Now I'm in the shadows. Now I can't show my kids how to stand up for themselves. And yeah, I mean, I think that that's one of the things. Like people, will come up to me, you know, how do you get a fake vaccine card? And I'm not going to judge people. I just think that's what they want you to do. Like, you know, getting vaccinated and having a

card or having a fake card does the same thing for the government, which was you are not standing in the truth. You're compromising yourself, and that's all that really matters here. Joe, you were in L.A. through all of this. I mean, you were really, you know, in the epicenter of the insanity. How hard was it to find community? Well, Greg was still in LA at the time, too, so we had each other. And our families were, we kind of had each other. So that was, and I remember we were sitting in his backyard, and we were sitting there. Six feet apart.

A couple of months in it just going like, what is going on? What is happening? And I remember even thinking at that particular time going like, a couple months, this is going to blow over. Like this will be, you know, this is just everyone's got this hype. going on and this stuff of that. Like everyone, we have a short tension span as a society this will be over and they just kept going and we're like, what is happening? I'm sitting in front yard homeschooling our kids and you see this couple

jogging down the street with the mask and rubber gloves on and we're like, we've got to get out of here. Get him my kids seeing that. Like I don't want to answer what's happening there. At some point they had to go, are we really going to have to hang out with Dickie? Where did she move, great, when you pick up? Well, we got an RV. Cool. And we went up to Idaho and Montana and sort of like zigzagged across the country, ended up in Georgia for a few months, went to Tennessee, went Nashville for a few months,

back to L.A., and that's when you go, man, once you see everywhere else and see how some people live, and then you go back to Los Angeles, sorry Los Angeles, you know, we're out of there. So we ended up in Nashville. Oh, cool, yeah, Nashville. It is true when you go back to L.A. in the middle of that, it was like, it was truly dystopy. I mean, you know, here's, as long as you avoided the whole foods, you know, you didn't really know there's anything going on. That's where they got to went like mask Nazi crazy. But I remember I went into Lois Fila's as I was back there.

And I remember just driving up the road and I just saw all these people like standing like in these perfect six feet apart lines outside of every store. Like five people here, five people there, like green acres. I was like, what is? I couldn't figure out what was going on. Like how are they so perfectly? It didn't happen here in days. And then I got out to walk around. I saw the little stickers.

and they're only allowing like two people into a store at a time or something, and everyone's standing on their sticker, I was like, oh my God, this is absolutely insane. You still see them on the sidewalk. They're still there. I think they should be probably just, like, etched into stone and, like, you know, marbleized so that we'd never forget how far this insanity. Well, let's, you know, so obviously you all, you know, found each other. You got through this, what is it like now to actually having come through these sort of dark times?

we're playing music again with each other what's that experience like awesome yeah it's exciting it's fun i mean i can't believe i've got a band of such talented people that are willing to play with me and um the product the music sounds great it's fun to you know be on stage with guys that think the way you do and uh speaking for myself but go ahead yeah it's nice to be in a situation where you can where you can be yourself and you can speak your mind. Like, you know, we don't agree on every issue and we shouldn't. Like, I think that's, like, as a society, we've moved to a place where if you disagree with somebody on one thing, you have to cut them out of your life.

And I'm like, when in the history of the world, has anyone ever done that? And how boring to just be surrounded by an echo chamber of people repeating talking points. Like, that sounds excruciating. Yeah. So not all of our wives have been together yet, but the ones that have, I'm like, oh, I'm just seeing the future, like how amazingly explosive that's. going to be when they get together. Your classic catchphrase, find your people.

Yeah. How long you've been recording now with each other? How long you've been writing together on for this album? About a year and a half. It came together. I mean, once Dickie started kind of calling around and putting us together, and we started kicking song ideas around, you know, that was about spring of 22.

And I would say by late summer, we were pretty deep into recording, you know, for the album. Like, it moved really fast because it was exciting. Like the way the songs were coming out, I think it certainly for me reinvigorated my creative spirit that I think had been diminished. And I, you know, when my situation went down, I thought I was done. I would never play again. Like, you know, you're going to be blacklisted from the industry. You're not going to be allowed to work. And then you have to realize, no, you don't need somebody's permission to create.

You don't need someone's permission to be an artist. And when did we set into that mindset? So it was very grateful to get the call from Dickie and to be able to meet all these guys and to start crafting this thing that we all feel really good about. So what is the album coming out? The album's coming out tomorrow, Del. Thank you for asking me. October 27.

So a year and a half in the making. Yes. Is there like a title track or something that, you know, you're reading out with? You know what? I mean, I remember, like, my wife was in music. And I remember, like, trying to figure out, like, which is that, like, radio hit or something. It's, like, one of the biggest arguments you ever have in a band. No one really comes, you know?

Like, it doesn't feel like a record or a record. project that was written for unvaccinated people that think the way, you know, like, it really feels like a very universal. Like in, there are times where I'll hear these songs where I know where Dickie was coming from when he wrote it, but I'm like, I'm thinking about an interpersonal relationship that I, and to me, that's the metric of a good song anyway, but that it transcends all of that. So our hope is that it was born out of this weird thing, but it's going to be this unifying thing, not just for people that think the way we do,

but for the same way any of our other musical projects. Yeah, the overall message of the band, I think, is unifying. It's just bringing people together. Like, that's what it's about. We're tired of being divided. We're tired of watching society be split into two and people forced to take a side and brother turning on brother kind of thing. So the overall message to me really is about bringing people together

and getting us back to a hopeful place where, you know, I think we lost a lot of community in our hearts over the last few years. And we're just trying to be, you know, a kind of band that can bring people back to that, like back to community and, you know, loving your neighbor again and having friends again and having the different points of view and that's okay. Like, that's how it should be. Who's fun again? I mean, honestly, that's one of the things like going to L.A.

I still'm like, you guys aren't having any fun for it. You're all like taking everything really seriously, you know? I think that's so well put because it's exactly. what we're having. And when I was here, you know, last time, I was, what am I going to do? I'm down in the dumps. What's going to happen next? Would, you know, and through these guys, and I'm near tears listening to the things they're saying because it's, you know, it's sort of unspoken. We just became these, became brothers through all of this, through both the creative, creative part of it, and through what we were going through. And plus, we're all dads and that kind of thing. And just to

hear him speak right now. I might be too emotional to get up on that stage. The things they've said have honestly been pretty, pretty sweet. So rumor has it that tomorrow you may be inducted into the punk rock Hall of Fame. Is that they didn't take that away from you? I don't think they're inducting me into it, but I think, no, they can't take that away from me. But I will be at the punk rock museum. Oh, right. I believe tomorrow. And giving tours, it's something that old punk rockers like myself are invited to do. I think the guy from the straight cats was there last month. It's a bit of an honor.

And it's nice of them to ask me and we'll see. We hate you. Get out of this museum. You're too punk. Through all this. Through all this. Like being rockers, having kids, it always seems like a total juxtaposition, right? You've got to create this really safe, comfortable environment for your kids.

And then you're out there, you know, rocking it out. out. What is it like, having them watch you go through this. And, you know, how much are your kids in your thoughts as, you know, you struggle to get through it and then get to playing music again? How much does it affect you? I mean, the kids really just want to, I don't know, I'm sure it's the same with these guys, but I know that each month that goes by without playing music, they're like, Dad, you've got to get out there on the road. You've got to start playing again, man. You're starting to crack a little bit. My kids were excited, like, oh, oh, you're going to go see Dell.

Tell them we said hi. Oh, that's cool. And so they, like, I like that their, you know, heroes are like you and Bobby Kennedy. He's like, is Bobby going to be there? I was like, Bobby's not going to be there. No. So, but. Good heroes to have.

Thank you. Yeah, indeed. Yeah. Well, I think for me, for speaking out, the reason that I decided to was my kids. Like, that was it. You know, I had a friend of mine a few months back say, yeah, but did you make any difference really and I kind of looked at him and was like well it's not the point I wasn't trying to change the world I had an audience of two and if I can't show them how to stand up for themselves that there's

no opportunity there's no job there's no situation financial whatever that's worth giving up your sovereignty your bodily autonomy like when your kids are teenagers they stop listening to you but they're watching and they watch your actions and the only way you can get through to them is by showing them something so it's like you know watch dad set himself on fire see how this goes, but this is how important this issue is. And, you know, not just around, you know, the vaccine mandates and stuff, but you should always be protecting yourself and what you really believe in and don't, don't sacrifice that for anything. And to me, that was the whole point. Yeah. Sometimes you don't hear about it until 10 years later, but you're, when you're making the right

decisions in front of your kids, like, sometimes it feels like they're not even listening, but then 10 years will go by. They're watching. I feel the same thing. I just want my my kids to believe in themselves and know that your truth can never be compromised. And if you stand in that, it always works out. Sure, there's pain. There's, you know, I keep thinking like things that, you know, we've lost. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt you. That's what I was raised with.

It is literally the opposite now. Now it's like words are deadly. They need to be censored. You know, they can crush people. And I just, we've sort of lost our strength as a species, or at least as a culture here in America. I just think, and rock and roll, in the middle of this, rock and roll represented that the most. Like, the rebellious spirit is dead.

It's like we're just, no, we're as compliant as everybody else. I grew up thinking this was the greatest country on earth, even with all its problems, you know? And that today is, you know, something to frown. Like, you know, you get looked at, like, what do you some kind of, you know. Well, look. Can't say I live America? What's the matter? I know.

I think that's changing, though. And I think there's a lot of hope. I think that there's a lot of silence. When I look at just the COVID vaccine, 30% of this country rejected it completely, at least. I mean, if we were going to, you just go by the number CDC says. That means quietly a third, basically, of this nation said, no way, even though we didn't know each other were here, we weren't able to communicate with each other with the most oppressive propaganda that has ever hit $10 billion. I think they spent, U.S. government spent on, you know, having a 24-hour news feed telling us we're all going to die if we didn't get the vaccine.

I just think about that 30%. And then I think about the fact that how many people only got the vaccine under duress because they were going to lose their job or going to lose their kid or going to, you know, all threats that were made, huh? What do you put that number out? I would have to say with this particular vaccine, I think a lot of people were questioning how fast was made. I think you could say, you know, probably nearly 50% of those that only got it under duress. I think the rest that had been given would have waited a year to see how it all panned out, wouldn't have rushed in, didn't feel like it was that big a deal.

So I think when you look at it, I actually believe that at least 50% of this country were in a space of like this wasn't the right thing to do and whether they went along with it or not, which is why I think your album's going to be a huge hit. I think you're representing what, I mean, and I'm just talking about American. You imagine the world.

I mean, you guys have all been international rock success. And now you're actually speaking to a community that needs you. Millions and millions of people, I think, are waiting for. this album. So we're going to hear a song from your first album by The Defiant. What's the song going to be? The song's Dead Language. Dead language. All right, dead language by the Defiant. You heard it here first. Album drops tomorrow, expecting all of you to check that out. Rock and Roll royalty in the house. Album dropped tomorrow. If we're really being honest, I know all you rockers out there

psyched to be able to actually support a band that still believes in rock and roll. Grab it wherever you can find an album. Look at all those places. It's going to be available. So amazing. I've got a huge show still coming up. Coming up later, do you want to get rock and roll? You want to get radical with how you're raising your pets? Maybe you're asking questions about the vaccines around your pets. I got Dr. Michael Dim in the house. He's going to give us some thoughts on vaccinations and some tricks and tips on how to raise your pets. But first, it's time for the Jackson report. Hi, Jeffrey. It's nice to know that rock and roll is not completely dead. Del, you're making my job real hard here.

I don't know how I'm supposed to follow that. Come on, man. Well, I'm going to try and I'm going to try to keep the energy up here. So a couple weeks ago, we reported on something. We called it the Great Retreat. So what we're seeing is we've seen this united front on this climate change agenda. Settles science. We have to reshape society, zero carbon, shut down the farms.

Something broke. This united front is fractured. And we saw people like Rishi Sunnick, the P.S. I'm the prime minister of the UK. We saw Bill Gates. They're turning around. Bill Gates is saying we can't use brute force anymore. Rishi Sunnick has said, hey, we're good on the goals.

Let's just slow down this transition a little bit. So at least in their languaging, which we'll take, at least in their language, and they're saying, let's slow this down a little bit. I don't know if people are going to be cool with this. But now let's look at one of the really, arguably the front organization, publicly front-facing organization that's pushing a lot of this agenda, this transition. That's the world economic form. World Economic Forum has something called the Young Global Leaders Program.

I'll just let them talk about it. Listen to this clip. All right. They come out being thought leaders, great organizational leaders. Our young global leaders are selected by the top editors in chief around the world. My commitment will be to add value. We'll be part of the young leaders initiative. Yes, this is Merkel.

Tony Blair. They were even President Putin. They were all young global leaders before. Prime Minister of Ireland, Leo Varadkar. Very proud to say that His Highness is also a young global leader of the World Economy Forum. The leader of the UK right now. David Cameron was named the young global leader in 2006.

Ramuka Bakatsi, the Prime Minister of Georgia and a young global leader. Hawken is the Crown Prince of Norway. He's also a member of the member. of our Young Global Leaders Alumni Community. President Calderon, you had been selected in 1997 as a global leader for tomorrow. You have already in 1993 been here for the first time as a global leader for tomorrow. Mr. DeCrow, you have been young global leader of the Forum Economic Mondial, you have recently made a visioconference with Klochev.

After the birthday, I'm out of young global leader of Davos. I'm finished because... because over 40 is finished. I'd like to explore a little bit what it's like to be a new young global leader. Gavin Newsom, the young, energetic, innovative mayor of San Francisco. He is also among those who are the young global leaders here at Davos this year. So what we're really hard to stomach, isn't it? And as I sit here thinking, boy, how has the DEVF made?

the world a better place over the last 20 or 30 years. I mean, I think if you traveled anywhere in this country around the world, and say, we are not, we've gone back. We're in a terrible place in the world. And yet these people hold them says, look at the great job we're doing. Yeah, we are looking at it. It's a, I almost went profanity there. I'll hold it back. And you can see, you can see throughout the years, there's been a lot of people there. And that video goes on for a very long time. Everybody wants to watch that. They can get the link for that. So this is a methodical process. This isn't some vestigual, I'm a young global leader, so I get a ribbon in the mail.

This is a methodical process where they find these people. They hone them. And then they become distributed throughout power centers, governments, corporations, throughout the world. They're W-EF-v-vetted people that then carry out these agendas. And you can see there, Mayor of San Francisco at that time, Gavin Newsome, governor of California. Some say that he may be making a run for president. He hasn't announced anything yet.

But think about that if he does become in the running. He just visited Xi Jinping in China. He's taken this really liking to this international conversations with leaders. I mean, he's a governor of California. You'd have a W.E.F. hand-bedded, picked person by Klaus Schwab himself running for the U.S. president. So just something to keep in mind on that one. But the Young Global Leaders Program actually has his own website. So it's no secret.

And you can go under the vision and mission here. And you start to read between the lines. But what it says is we are united by the belief that today's pressing problems present an opportunity to build a better future across sectors and boundaries. So there's that build back better. You know, our problems create opportunities, order, kind of like a nice new way to say order out of chaos. But then it goes on to say his, that's Claus Schwab because he started this program. His vision was to create a proactive multi-stakeholder community of the world's next generation leaders to inform and influence decision-making and mobilize transformation. So remember, Klaus Schwab is famous for saying a lot of things, but saying COVID presented the greatest opportunity for this rapid transition of society where the rest of us said, well, this was a disaster.

He saw, he saw, you know, gold that he could weave into the fourth industrial revolution. So how does the WF do this? What are the key pillars of what they're doing? Well, one of them is net zero. So we're going to go right from their own website. This is about the cities, a net zero carbon future for cities. So in the WF's program, basically science is settled. We're rapidly shifting this society's to net zero. So farmers in Netherlands, you're out. We're going to buy your farms. You're done. Cow farts are bad.

Shutting down how you heat your homes. You can't do that now. There's all of that. We're rapidly shifting society. But unfortunately, there's actually a conversation. The science is not settled. And the scientific community is reacting and standing up. This is a headline just recently,

the era of unquestioning and unchallenged climate change claims is over. And in this article, there's several studies that just came out. One of them published in the journal, Climate, is this one here. It's an extensive study, the detection and attribution of northern hemisphere land surface warming from 1850 to 2018. So that's basically the carbonized time of humanity here. In terms of human and natural forces, so looking at both human and natural forces. And they conclude this, the scientific community is not yet,

Yet in a position to confidently establish whether the warming since 1850 is mostly human cause, mostly natural, or some combination. Wow, you sure wouldn't know it if you're watching the news around here on the planet Earth. You'd think they had it nailed to the wall. Or the rapid transitions around you. If you're in America, you're seeing headlines like this. President Biden pitches strict emissions rules to make most cars electric by 2032. So not really big conversation. We're just moving all your cars to electric.

And we're going to do it as fast as possible. Because that'll be cheap. everyone can afford that. Exactly. And don't worry about those rare earth minerals. We'll find a way to get them even though they're in the slave laborers getting the cobalt in Africa. But what about the technology? Well, this is an article out of the telegraph recently. It really turns some heads. Electric cars risk becoming uninsurable. So when you really talk about when the rubber hits the road, the insurance companies, they're the ones that are going to lose. Remember we saw that with the actuaries from the insurance companies when he's,

came to vaccine injury. They were the ones sounding the alarm internally because they have to flip the bill for this. So the insurance company is a really good place to look to see how these policies are, you know, how these policies are looking and the window dressing looks great. But when it really comes down to it, how is it looking? And so let's look in this article. It says, Jonathan Hewitt, chief executive of Thatcham Research, the Motor Insurers Automotive Research Center, said a lack of insight and understanding about the cost of repairing damaged electric car batteries was pushing up premiums and resulting in some providers declining to provide coverage altogether. Mr. Hewitt said the challenge is that we have no way of understanding whether the battery

has been compromised or damaged in any way. The threat of a thermal runaway means that a catastrophic fire can take place if the cells of the battery have been damaged in a collision. The London Fire Brigade has warned that fires involving lithium batteries are the fastest growing risk, fire risk in London after it was called out to 87 e-bike and 29-Eas. e-scooter fires in 2022. Paris's transport operator withdrew 149 electric buses from operation last year after two ignited on separate occasions. So we've all seen these Tesla batteries, these electric batteries blow up in these cars. And what these insurers are saying is, look, if there's a fender bender, a little collision, we have no way of really knowing if that battery has been

compromised. And this thermal runaway is a very real threat, whether it's parked in someone's garage or if it's parked in a car park where there's thousands of cars around them. If this thing goes up, there's real damage that these insurers are on the hook for. So they're saying, look, some of these insurance companies are saying, no more. We're not going to insure these things. Well, it's such an interesting thought, right? You could have a fender bender where it just looks like some metal or plastic got buckled or bent, and then they fixed that. We have no idea that inside you've, you know, caused some sort of rupture in the battery. I mean, it's a really good point. How do you find that out? what's going on internally. It's like, you know, a giant solid block of battery. And then,

you know, what does it say, a runaway meltdown or how they describe that, the, you know. A threat of thermal runaway. That's what that's called. Thermal runaway. That sounds scary. Exactly. So let's move on now. So we have the W.E.F. There's another kind of controversial idea. It's a universal basic income. In America, that's one of the first times we heard that in a large scale was Andrew Yang's presidential run in 2020. And he really brought that idea to the forefront. That was one of the pillars that he ran on was trying to implement that in the United States. One of the headlines here, Andrew Yang's idea of universal basic income earned him fans,

but can he win votes? Obviously, he did not. But this is something that WEF is championed. All the way back to 2017, we saw headlines like this on their website, why we should all have a basic income. And this is what Canada, remember Justin Trudeau, young global leader, accolades. this is what Canada is now really considering. We have a headline here. A universal basic income is being considered by Canada's government. So they're looking at starting with a report,

seeing this thing can be done and then moving on to actually implement in this thing. It's actually being talked about in their parliament. And when we look at the W.E.F, this was one of their things. Their big thing was COVID. They had all these ideas. They had these agendas they wanted to put through. But when COVID happened, they seized on the opportunity. And Klaus Schwab was not shy about saying how great of an opportunity that was. So you started seeing headlines like this. Universal basic income is the answer to the inequalities exposed by COVID-19. That's on the W.EF's website. So luckily in America, the idea of this universal basic income probably won't happen because in America during COVID, we had all this relief billions of dollars in relief funds. So a lot of

people that lost their jobs or whose employment was cut or whatever the case may be, they received some benefits from the government. So that was great. But unfortunately, we're starting to see headlines like this. Cyber fraud rings in China and other U.S. adversaries stole billions in pandemic relief funds, Congress hears. It says anti-waste and fraud controls were so lax on trillions of dollars being spent by federal and state government agencies on COVID-19 pandemic relief benefits that as much as half of those funds actually went to entities in China, Russia, and other U.S. adversarial nations, a congressional panel was told on Thursday. Data on this is still being evaluated, but there are some estimates that half the pandemic unemployment assistance fraud went to adversarial nation, said Linda Miller during testimony on October 19th before the Oversight Subcommittee on the House Ways and Means Committee. So what are we talking about here? How much money is this?

Well, if you go to the government's own website where they talk about how much this pandemic employment programs paid out, you can see this really simple chart here. And there's three color-coded lines. and those are the three different stimulus packages that were given to people. And if you add those up, it's about $653 billion. So we're talking, I mean, if we're meant to believe half of this was taken, we're talking north of $300 billion has been lost to other nations. This is a story that just broke. So this is something we're going to be covering.

But in America, that doesn't bode well for our economy. So we really have to keep an eye on this. And demand some accountability if it indeed shows that half of these funds are gone. You know, I think about this concept, Jeffrey, and, you know, I actually had a debate with a friend of mine. You know, a lot of people know I grew up, progressive, liberal. It's amazing when you look back and talk to some of these friends you haven't spoken to for a while. And they're like down with universal basic income. And for me, I just, I'll be honest, you know, I don't know if I'm going to piss somebody off out in the audience,

but you're taking away just like the most basic instinct, which is survival, right? You're taking away this idea that, you know, the self-preservation, an instinct to survive. And I think back when I was getting started, I was flat broke. There was days I could only afford two pieces of pizza, not knowing where it's going to, but boy, did that make me go out and look for that job. Made me realize that I had to work harder at my dream. And it also makes you realize what you can survive, right? Like your own human resilience goes through those moments. You know, I know my kids are going to have those moments. I want them to know that you will feel like your whole world is crashing in on you. But on the other.

side of that will be the recognition that you didn't crash, that you did survive, that you're a spectacular being, and there's so much you can handle more than you realize. And if you take that away and you put a giant bubble wrap around everything in our lives so that my basic income is taken care of, I think you're going to have 99% of the world sitting on their couches, playing video games and eating pizza and not doing anything. I just can't imagine what that world looks like. Sure. And the friend I was talking to is a talented musician. And so I know during COVID, while he was catching a check, he was writing songs and continuing to sort of do that work. I said, but you're an artist.

Other people that don't have a muse or something they actually care about that gets up in the morning? What does that society turn into? There's just no reason to get up. They don't have a reason to survive because that's taken care of. I just think you destroy the fabric of America and the heart and soul of the human experience. That's my own opinion. That's what we kind of do on this show. sometimes. So there it is. I have no scientific background on that. I can't give you peer-reviewed

science. That's just my opinion. One thing we can say is trust in governments is really at an all-time low and in public health as well after the COVID response. So a lot of people aren't really, really excited to trust their way of making a living or their currency of life with governments when we saw so many strings attached during the last three years to even live in society. So another thing, really the the key pillar for the world economic forum after COVID was artificial intelligence. And this idea of this fourth industrial revolution where we're going to merge with machines and it's going to be great. And Klaus Schwab says this. He's licking his lips. He's so excited. It's happening already. You can't stop it. It is happening so fast. It's going to be

upon us before we even know it. And you have Yuval Harari. He is the WF contributor. He's a historian. And he's said things in the past like computers, computers will make humans redundant. And we can just keep them happy with drugs and computer games because we're just going to have surplus humans. Really anti-human kind of comments. However, he saw this headline now recently. He's saying stuff like this, Sapien's author,

Yuval Noah Harari says AI could wipe out humanity. So he's far from on team humanity at this point. But he's saying like, look, there might be a problem here. And why is this a, why is this a problem? because I thought AI smokes make our life's great. And we have cities that are being built upon this. Here's a headline smart grids to dominate smart cities spending through 2026. So we have all of these cities that are really just going directly to the smart grid being informed in real time with AI computer technology.

So data driven life. So people who can, they say it's to make life easier. But you have again, you have centralized control with all of this technology. and everything becomes push button flip of switch with people's lives. And one of the things... It's amazing when I look at this, Jeffrey, and you think they're building these smart cities where everything's AI, everything's talking to each other. And at the same time, they're sitting down with Elon Musk or even Noah Harari is sitting there

saying, you know, they're going to be the end of us. Well, they certainly are if we're going to move into these smart cities and leave the country and leave our farms and, you know, have factory meats made by computer. and sitting where our whole lives are hanging in AI's balance, you're putting us right in harm's way. I mean, truly, what is AI going to do to, you know, your average person out living in a cabin somewhere or, you know, in a rural space where none of this really affects us? I mean, and they're trying to get us located as though they want us to have this issue. And by the way, can you imagine if you're on universal basic income and all of a sudden the

AI, you know, computer banking systems that are now running your government, go, wait a minute, How much are we spending on these useless humans? And then what does AI do? I'll tell you where they're going to start. Tell you where they're going to start. They start taking over the world, certainly on those people that just sit around eating pizza and playing video games. Then there's so many scenarios that we can talk about where this would be a problem.

In the U.S., here are the 10 cities that are ready for what's called a smart city future. And there's a little graph here. Number one's Austin, Texas. Then you got Los Angeles, California, Seattle, San Francisco, Atlanta, all the way. down the line and these are the ones really should be watching out for at first but is it you know the idea is we move to this AI because it's net zero future it's going to rapidly shift this and but is it really greener because that's what we're being sold on it's better for the environment well a new study just came out and here's the headline AI artificial intelligence on track to gobble up as much energy

as a country study finds so now we're at an impasse WEF because you want a net zero future and you want to accomplish it through AI, but your AI is doing the opposite of moving towards a net future. You're trying to reduce the net, the output of carbon for countries, meanwhile, creating a country of carbon with the AI buildout. So this is becoming a big, a big mess for this, for this agenda. There's a lot of contradictions here, but one of the things is clear. The WF, they did push for the mandatory vaccination during COVID, public health, along with the Gates Foundation, WHA. And one of the co-founding, of the W.E.F. There is Klaus Schwab, and then there's Hussein Najadi. His son, Pascal Najadi, has just come out and really made a strong call for justice. Take a listen.

Geneva looks beautiful. It is beautiful. It has a lake. It has its shadow. It's very peaceful. But there is a dark side to it. Everything evil in the world related to demo side. Unfortunately, comes from Geneva. You have W. Joe in Geneva. You have Gavi. Then you have the VEF, the World Economic Forum, which my father was a co-founder and left Toul Schwab, out of disgust in the early 80s,

that has diplomatic immunity. I, as a Swiss citizen, right here now, declare that the VF is not eligible anymore. eligible anymore for diplomatic immunity. I call on the Swiss authorities in security to arrest those people immediately. Why the VEF, WHO, Garvey, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Bill Gates all advocated a global humanity injection by a bio weapon injecting nanolipids into 5.7 billion people and we Swiss are hosting them that's terrible we cannot tolerate any entity that promotes poison to be injected into humanity but you have done it I'm the

victim and dying from it and my mother too it's a demo side and you'll be charged it will be corrected in the name of humanity These are strong words. These are strong words. And is Mr. Najadi alone? Of course, he's not. And one of the conversations, the biggest conversation, and really, you're the first person I heard actually bring this up.

During our reporting during the COVID mandates and the vaccine mandates, you said, excess death, they're not going to be able to hide that. That's going to be the key. Keep an eye on that. And now we're seeing parliaments around the world starting to have this conversation within their halls. Most recently, UK's parliamentary figure, Andrew Bridgen. He was, he had a 30-minute debate conversation in Parliament. Take a listen

how this went. Andrew Bridgen. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We've experienced more excess deaths since July 2021 in the whole of 2020. Unlike the pandemic, however, these deaths are not disproportionately of the old. In other words, the excessive deaths are striking down people in the prime of life. But no one seems to care. I fear history will not judge this House kindly. Worse still, in a country supposedly committed to free and frank exchange of views, it appears that no one cares. It's taken a lot of effort and more than 20 rejections to be allowed to raise this topic, but at last we're here to discuss the number of people dying. Nothing could be more serious. Numerous countries are currently gripped in a period of unexpected mortality, and no one wants to talk

about it. It's quite normal for death numbers to fluctuate up and down by chance alone, but what we're seeing here is a pattern repeated across countries and the rise has not let up. I mean, you just have to take a moment here. I think we're all getting so numbed, you know, by these types of reports, especially on the highway, we cover a lot of things like this. But just as I sit and listen to that, and I've reflected before on, you know, when I used to be a writer and working in Hollywood, and thinking if a movie opened up like that, that an MP is speaking to his nation and saying our excess mortality numbers have skyrocketed in a way we've never seen before. And it's not an anomaly. It's not just an anomaly here. It's in every nation we're

looking at across the world and worse in those that really push this vaccine along. And when you think about that, and you look at that empty room, that empty room that he's in, and think what he's saying, that nobody cares. I'm just sitting here watching this, Jeffrey. If they knew this was a virus, this would be that we would be hearing it ad nauseum every day, 24 hours a day scaring us to death. If they knew it was a bacteria,

if they knew it was anything that their fingerprints were not all over, this is the biggest story there is. Why is there still excess death skyrocketing right now across the world? And not in our elderly, in our young children having heart attack. In our middle ages, that 18 to 24 is seeing death rates like we've never seen. I mean, it is horrifying. And you have an empty room everywhere a politician wants to talk about this.

And then what is it? And then they say, oh, it's a conspiracy theory. What's the conspiracy? Is the conspiracy that those deaths don't exist? No one can say that. These are real hard numbers. And so what's the conspiracy? And it's just incredible that we are witnessing.

On the high wire, just think, you know, this group of people that we're all watching the show right now, we're one of the few in the world that are literally watching humanity in a real life horror movie and everybody else is asleep. They're all like zombies walking off of cliffs right now and we're just sitting here thinking, my God, how is it that nobody is reporting on this? And Mr. Bridgen said 20 rejections before he was even allowed to bring this conversation up. And the BBC covered this, covered the whole conversation. They streamed it live. And what's interesting is while they were streaming it, again, media corporations, journalists should be covering this and saying around the world,

this is what the BBC coverage looked like. They started putting little blocks on the bottom while he was talking. And you can see here, it's propaganda. Vaccines are safe. The NHS says it's safe. Vaccines are safe and essential for public health. They did this with eight different messages. Most people with allergies can be vaccinated against COVID.

19 and it goes on and on the mMR doesn't cause no link between i mean usually that lower third that ticker tape there is designed for those of us that maybe not watching with audio to know what this guy's saying it's the first time i know of that it's saying the exact opposite of what this you know you know global hired leader working in the u.k has to say i mean again propaganda by the news that's covering it it's just it's unbelievable and by the way if they knew it was and this is where I, you know this to be true. If it was a virus, anything else, it'd be all over the news. It's not on the news. That tells me they know what it is. All of the people not showing up that room, deep down, they know what it is or they'd be reporting on it too. They'd be asking,

what is it? Let's put some science on it. They're saying, don't go near it. Don't look. Don't open that door. What are you afraid of? They may not be concerned about it or want to look at it, but I'll tell you what, the people are in the UK. So you may have heard when he was talking. There were a lot of people there, but you hear some cheers in the background. Those are people outside. And when he was done with this speech, Andrew Bridgen walked outside. He was met by this. Take a look.

What an ending for this week? We have made history today. Nine months, more than 20, refused attempts to get a debate on excess debts. The first debate on excess debts in the UK Parliament, the first proper debate on excess debts in the world. And I promise you, I absolutely promise you, It won't be the last. We will get a three-hour debate in the next few weeks now on excesses. Make sure they all turn up, though. Make it compulsory, they turn up.

Fantastic. So throughout all the governments that aren't taking this seriously, Ireland appears to be kind of taking it seriously. Check out this headline. Access deaths monitored. Oh, good. But as an indicator of the impact of climate change. And it says in here, Ireland's Department of, Health says it is engaging with the OECD to monitor excess mortality as an indicator of the impact of climate change and says that heart-related issues and tumors were some of the leading causes of death last year. I don't even know to go there. Climate change that increased the deaths in one year, right? The climate, I mean, imagine what the climate, let's just take that for a moment.

What would that have the, what would the climate look like or have to do to actually cause a noticeable rise in excess mortality within 365 days. Can you imagine what that climate year look like? It's so stupid. It's incredible. Well, this is happening too. You're seeing headlines over the summer in Australia. A lot of questions are being asked about that, at least in the media. This is the daily mail. So why are so many Australians dying excess deaths are way above average again, leaving doctors baffled? And it's not because of COVID. So in Australia, Senator Ralph Babbitt put forward emotions seeking acknowledgement and an investigation into Australia's excess deaths during that summer, during this past summer, rejected twice by a majority. So they don't want to have that

conversation in Australia. And unfortunately, they don't want to have it, but reality keeps playing out. So this is a Victoria news station recently. It's the state in Australia. Listen to what they have to say about the cardiac issues going on. Cardiac arrest incidents are at the highest ever recorded in Victoria, prompting health officials to launch a critical awareness campaign. We are now joined by ambulance, Victoria, Paramedics, Bettany Burkett and Caitlin Bale. Good afternoon to you ladies. Caitlin, last year paramedics responded to more than 7,000 cardiac arrest patients. How concerning are these statistics?

Yeah, look, these numbers are really concerning. Last year in Victoria, the cardiac arrest rates increased by 6%. And in our state alone, each day, about 20 people have a cardiac arrest. Unfortunately, only about two of those survive. There's not even sound like very light cardiac arrest. One out of 20 per day, only two are surviving. And again, you just sit here. Doctors baffled.

I mean, I'm baffled that our species could be this incredibly stupid. And beyond that, that our highest educated doctors cannot figure out what's going on. And what we're doing here is we're just connecting dots. And there are a lot of them are rhyming. So we have ambulance cardiac arrest calls. Well, we had a study that came out of Israel in 2022. This was it right here, increased emergency cardiovascular events among under 40 population in Israel during the vaccine rollout and third COVID wave. And the researchers concluded this, the main finding of this study concerns with increases of 25% in both the number of cardiac arrests and calls and acute coronary syndrome calls of people in. the 16 to 39 age group during the COVID-19 vaccination rollout in Israel, compared with the same time period in the prior years of 2019 and 2020. Moreover, there is a robust and statistically

significant association between the weekly cardiac arrests and acute coronary syndrome call counts and the rates of first and second vaccine doses administered to that age group. That's a signal it sounds like. And then you also have in the UK, you had headlines like this. This was the same time it was being run in the summer with Australia, health bosses warn of heart disease emergency in England. It's an emergency. We don't know what's going on, but there's a lot of them. So we're seeing that continuously throughout the countries. And this is something we've been doing on this show now. It's really, it's a breakaway pace every, for the last month or so, we're doing a study a week on myocarditis, this heart damage after vaccination are associated

with it with the COVID vaccination. Researchers and doctors and professionals are really stepping out of the box and pushing this research forward. And so the latest one is from German researchers. This was actually a brilliant study. So it's called cardiac side effects of RNA-based SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, hidden cardiotoxic effects of that's modernist vaccine and Pfizer's vaccine on ventricular myocite function and structure. So these researchers took the myocytes, the actual heart cells from these mice. They extracted them. They put them in a petri dish. So this was like a tabletop exercise benchwork and they they electrified them so they were actually able to contract so they had the physical heart contracting cells of these myocytes of these mice and what they did was they

found out how many lipid nanoparticles that's the little particle that encapsulates the m rna it brings through your body they found out how much of that accumulated in the heart when they injected these mice and that was how much they used to put in this petri dish of this this heart muscle and what they found was you know it's pretty interesting this is the conclusion they said after 48 hours expression of the encoded spike protein was detected in ventricular cardiomyocytes for both mrnas so you got it in the in the heart muscles in 48 hours at this point in time moderna's vaccine COVID-19 vaccine induce arithmic as well as completely irregular contractions associated with irregular as well as localized calcium transients which provide indications of significant dysfunction

of the cardiac riodine receptor, RRIR2. In contrast, Pfizer's COVID vaccine increased cardiomyosite contraction via significantly increased protein kinase A, PCAA activity at the cellular level. So what you really need to know there is both of those things are indicators of cardiac performance. And when they become out of balance,

they have a dysfunction. You're talking cardiac caress, heart disease, those are indicators of those. So these researchers concluded this. Our present data suggests that the risk benefit ratio of mRNA-based vaccine should be re-evaluated, taking into consideration of current preclinical cardiac safety data

that revealed a hidden cardiotoxic effect of the vaccines. Furthermore, the present findings should be taken into account in future diagnoses and therapy of cardiac symptoms temporarily coincident with mRNA-based COVID vaccination. So that's where we're at with this new study, and I'm sure we'll have one next week, too. It's incredible how much science around the world is now being done. for when you think back to the work that we've done on vaccinations where we had to try and find any studies done at all. Very little done on any of the childhood vaccines, no matter the mountain of evidence they say they have that vaccines don't cause autism. Vaccines are safe and effective.

So much science proves that our, you know, our great work with Aaron C. Siri has shown that most of that is the only large mountain is a mountain of bull crap is what it really is and what we've discovered. But now with this COVID vaccine, something we've never seen, which is a mountain, which is literally a Mount Everest now of documents and studies. Every single week we're presenting so many studies being done by the greatest universities around the world, all of them pointing to the problems with this vaccine and how dangerous it is, whether it's causing thrombocytopinia or, you know, strokes or heart attacks, you know, anaphylaxis, all of these.

And cancer now we're reporting on. And when you just think about that, we're just in such a different world. And Jeffrey, sit here and think, this is what we always dream. What we always dreamed is if we could just get the science done. If we could just get really good, decent universities to finally ask the question, then everyone would realize it, and the regulatory agencies would have to change. And instead, we are literally seeing what's got to be thousands of studies now, all warning, saying the same thing across the board,

this vaccine is incredibly dangerous. You should stop it immediately. and we're watching our FDA and CDC does not care, telling you your infants can get it, your pregnant women can get it, just go right ahead. I mean, it's just, I don't think I ever would have predicted this, that we would literally now watch our regulatory agencies doing what they always accused of was cherry picking. They are cherry picking literally like a handful of studies that they manipulated in the face

of a Mount Everest pile of studies being done by great scientists all around the world. I mean, I just don't know how long this is this imbalance is going to last. I just think we are eventually the CDC and FDA is just going to crumble right before our eyes. I mean, where are we at? Like a 1.6% uptake in this country now of the booster. So obviously it's getting through to somebody. We're getting through to somebody, man. And that's where my hope is because this is so shockingly hopeless if you just thought this is how we end.

This is the end of our species if someone doesn't wake up. Yeah, and I think people have to become their own regulatory agencies. Amen. The U.S. is an outlier. and Nordic countries are not giving these things to young kids. Pfizer is losing, having to cut jobs because the outcast, the performance of these vaccines is so small, people aren't taking them. Speaking of the science, you and I have been reporting on so many stories,

even way before COVID even started and people even knew about this. One of these stories we've been tracking and had our teeth in for years is the story about Johnson and Johnson and their baby powder. So people may have seen this headline recently, but Johnson Johnson has been in this legal battle, and this is Bloomberg law. This is most recent one. Jane J.N. J. Ways third bankruptcy try to settle baby powder suits. So what they're talking about here is this baby powder, this talc powder that people, you know, you put it on and it aerosolizes, you're breathing it in. Well, there's asbestos in it. It's best. This is really bad for you. And this,

there's a lot of people alleging that this causes cancer, and they're bringing it to the forefront here. At the moment, Johnson Johnson is looking at about 51,000 people suing them. They're expecting a financing call. They said about 100,000 claims they're expecting. And it really kicked off in 2018 when they were forced to pay $4.7 billion to a group of plaintiffs. Johnson and Johnson told to pay $4.7 billion in baby powder lawsuit. Yeah, I was going to say, it's a step beyond just alleging. I mean, they have lost in court. It's opened up the floodgates, which is, you know, we know what asbestos does.

We have their own internal documents and emails knowingly, knowingly recognizing that their mining practices for talc cannot are right next to asbestos. Somehow they're connected. There's no way to get it out. And they literally make that medical decision that all these companies do. Well, by the time anyone finds out about it, they'll never know. We've got them. So they're admitting they know about this. And yet they're still trying to get out of trying, you know, having to pay for all.

all the damage they've done. Right. And in that same year in 2018, so they, they lose that lawsuit $4.7 billion. Then Reuters comes along. This is why I have a little bit of faith left maybe in mainstream media, we'll call it, because Reuters comes through with this, with an incredible investigation, this expose. J&J knew for decades that asbestos lurked in its baby powder, and they had the receipts. They had all the internal documents, the links. You can go read all of this your own, one of them particularly stood out, especially for our audience and what work we do. This is a 1975 confidential memo to the managers of J&J's Baby Powder Division. And it describes the company's philosophy on talc research.

It says this, our current posture, it's a teachable moment, by the way, our current posture with respect to sponsorship of talc safety studies has been to initiate studies only as dictated by confrontation, meaning don't sponsor studies unless we're confronted because it's too damning. It goes on to say, this philosophy so far has allowed us to neutralize or hold in check data already generated by investigators who question the safety of health. The principal advantage for this operating philosophy lies in the fact that we minimize the risk of possible self-generation of scientific data, which may be politically or scientifically embarrassing, basically saying, don't do this because there's so many skeletons in the closet

that our own science that we're sponsoring may be used to hammer at home in courtroom. So just don't do this unless we're confronted. You know, when I see these things, I don't think these court cases go far enough. I don't care about $4 billion. I don't see how the United States of America or any nation that has a lawsuit like this that reads that document doesn't immediately say, that's it, you're out. You're out. I'm kicking you out of this country. Johnson and Johnson will never, you know, deliver another product in the United States of America. You knowingly murdered our citizens. You murdered them all based on a financial decision. You avoided studies because you knew what you were going to see because you'd already seen it.

And so you knowingly killed our people. How is it that this company is still allowed to work in America and that it's CEOs and executives, and anybody that put their eyes on that piece of paper are not in a prison right now. Our country is not working right. Our judicial system is not working right. And so let's look at the unraveling timeline of this product safety crime.

And so in 2020, this is when it started going real bad for Johnson & Johnson. In 2020, Johnson stopped selling talc-based baby powder in the U.S. and Canada. So they're pulling it. We're done. It's getting real bad. Let's just take it off the shelves.

And what did they say was the cause? Listen to this. Demand for talc base Johnson's baby powder in North America has been declining, due in large part to changes in consumer habits and fuel by misinformation around the safety of the product and a constant barrage of litigation advertising. So this word misinformation, maybe it's been paying attention. This has been used by some of the most powerful corporations and government actors to shape narratives and to justify targeting opposition. This is how it's continually used. This is the only way I've seen it continually used. And so Johnson and Johnson is it's no angel of a company.

2013, this isn't the first time it's been in a courtroom. J&J agrees to pay $2.2 billion in drug marketing settlement. That's for resperol. That was an antipsychotic drug. It's had tons of problems with it. They found they're giving kickbacks to the doctors who prescribed it. Big deal. And then even the opioid epidemic that Johnson & Johnson was involved in that, too,

in the legal battle. This was the headline here, opioid kingpin, J&J fueled epidemic, Oklahoma argues at trials end. So now that brings us to this year, 2023. First of the month in January, you saw this headline. This was the first bankruptcy. This is out of Reuters. U.S. court rejects J&J's bankruptcy strategy for thousands of tout lawsuits.

The case was dismissed at that time because the judge said the company didn't face imminent financial distress. The irony is that in some ways, like maybe they could have been bad. bankrupted, except they just sold you another deadly product called the COVID vaccine made tens of billions of of dollars. And now that, you know, now that they're like throwing cash in the air, like, oh, but, oh, it's, we're bankrupt. Hold on a second. Put the money away. Put the money away. Don't let them see that right now. It's crazy. My T-chip passing in the night, Janssen's that COVID vaccine. So J&J is one of the most profitable companies in the world, a $400 billion valuation as of October. Higher credit rating than the U.S.

So the judge is like, no, no, you're not going to pull this game. So in July, end of July, they tried again. This is Reuters again. J&J effort to resolve how lawsuits and bankruptcy fails a second time. So what are they doing here? Well, an NPR investigation revealed is very simple, but this is what they said. This is the NPR article. Rich companies are using a quiet tactic to block lawsuits.

Bankruptcy. It says, here's how the maneuver worked. First, last October, J&J spun off a subsidiary in Texas called LTF. Then, using a wrinkle in Texas state law, J&J was able to transfer all of the potential liability linked to the tsunami of baby powder asbestos claims into the shell of the new company while keeping valuable assets separate. LTL then quickly filed for bankruptcy in North Carolina. That move immediately halted the baby powder cases, which could remain on hold for months or years. So when a company files for chapter one bankruptcy, this is what people need to understand.

So if your person who is harmed by a product like these people are, you don't get, your day in court. You don't get a jury trial. You don't get discovery. You don't get these things. Johnson and Johnson leads if they're allowed to go bankrupt or file for bankruptcy. They lead the process. They say, we're going to take this ball of money from our $400 billion and put it in this company. And that's all you get. So fight amongst yourselves. We're free of this. We're see you later. So the judge is not buying this. He's saying, no, this is not going to happen the first time, not going to happen the second time. So they're in a position right now. If they try it for a third time, it's going to be a big issue. The court's made.

look very unfavorably upon them at that point. And so they may have to face these these people, these plaintiffs that have had damage or alleging damage. So it's a very interesting conversation and it may set a precedent. Who knows? Wow. They better face it. That's all I got to say. They better face it. Incredible reporting, Jeffrey. You're getting me a little bit of hot under the collar. Maybe it started with the punk rock that started this thing out. But just the types of things that make you want to scream at your television set. But amazing reporting. It's good that we know this is happening so we can do something about it. Jeffrey, I'll see you next week. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you, Deb. You know, I just want you to think about it. Look at those numbers that

talking about Johnson and Johnson, you know, billions of dollars that payout. And then try and like build a shell, let's just build a shell company, put all of our losses in there, then just bankrupt that company, and we keep all the profits. All the people that died, they're screwed. That's just around some fake company way, the way these people think, and then I want you to think about that. That is literally the way all these corporations think that are buying your government in the United States of America and around the world. When we talk about corporate capture, this is what has happened to the United States of America. These people have bought in. They control our regulatory agencies. You know how? Did you see that? I mean, when you read those letters, right? Here's what we're going to do.

We are only going to do scientific studies when we're under attack, when there's confrontation in order to deal with it. Now they're getting dragged you into court. We'll do our own science then and only then because we know what the problem is. Guess what? It's exactly the same philosophy your CDC and FDA now have. While we are talking about this mountain of science

being done on heart attacks and strokes and cancer running rampant, literally all cause mortality up, not in one country, not in one anomaly, across the freaking world. Our regulatory agency is still sticking to it saying, nope, we are not going to do any decent studies. We're not going to let any science be done here. We're going to just keep pushing this product.

And how do you expect to make a difference? Honestly, when you're watching this, it could be very hopeless, except for you have one trick up your sleeve. You know what it's called? It's called the informed consent action network, because we don't just sit here and watch this crap happen. We are going after them. We are suing the regulatory agencies.

We're winning against the FDA, the NIH, the CDC, health and human services, whoever in this planet ever thought that you would be able to, go in and stop a law that had been in place since 1979. I'm talking about the mandated vaccine program where you had no religious exemption in Mississippi. We got that exemption back. And we are going to do that across this country. I was just talking to my sister this morning. She said, Del, no matter what, when we're sort of getting biblical and talking about all the things happening in the world. She says, well, at least you are fighting God's fight in that you're giving

us a religious exemption back. We're giving us the right to practice a belief in God and a connection to something and the idea that we might just maybe be made in the image and likeness of God. Who's doing that for you? And then I want you to imagine. I want you to imagine when you see Johnson and Johnson and these entities that we are up against that will pay out $4 billion without blinking and $2 billion and take court through one and two attempts at bankruptcy and a third attempt at bankruptcy.

Do you know how hard it is to beat these people? Do you know how hard it is? Do you know how much money they have? We just gave them another $100 billion of the COVID-19 vaccine. So when I'm asking you for a little help and saying, we're the only ones that have beat them and we're going to continue beating them. But man, do I need your help right now? I really do. We are up against it. They are buying government officials right now. What do you think the next election this country is going to look like if they don't get their way? We won. Only 1.6% of the people in this country are getting this booster shot. We're pushing back against. AI, Richie Shunick in the UK saying, hey, we better lay off on the electric cars for a second. People are starting to wake up.

So they are going to fight with everything they have. This is their last moment. They have got a white knuckle death grip on our throats, and they're going to try to win. You have to know they are. And who is out there actually fighting for you? Not complaining about it, not just reporting on it. We're fighting for it. We are going to stop them in their tracks.

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You're coming to the show, whether it started with a COVID vaccine. And I know that many of you now got that vaccine, but thank God, you realize, you know, there's something I can do. I gotta stop. Maybe I don't trust this anymore. Welcome. We all had our moment that we're waking up, you know, and we're giving you ways that you can get around and introducing you to doctors and ideas that maybe can get some of this stuff out of your body and looking at seeing the world in a different way. And you're thinking about your kids and you're thinking about your own body. But then all of a sudden there's barking in the other room or a cat jumps in your lap and said, wait a minute, what about my pets? What have I been doing to my pets?

Well, that is a huge question. So many of you are writing in about it. And we wanted to get deep in that conversation. We're bringing back Dr. Michael Dim, who has really been on this long before COVID. He's the rock and roll master of healthy veterinary practices. And he's going to be joining us in a second. If you don't know who he is, take a look at this. I've been a small animal veterinarian for the past 28 years.

What are you doing? Yes. Let's look at those tea. I started to notice a pattern. The immune systems of these animals were overreacting. Everything from common skin and ear allergies to the urinary tract disorders we see in cats and dogs to even cancer and all sorts of autoimmune diseases in younger and younger animals. And I had very little to offer them but suppressive medications or surgical procedures that

at best gave them a temporary relief of their symptoms. And then suddenly my own two animals developed conditions. One of them developed a common thyroid condition. And I have a medication that works to treat that condition. Within two or three days, I saw that he was jaundiced, yellow, his liver was shutting down, and it was the drug that was literally killing my dear kitty. I started to look for other modalities of medicine, and I took a horse in home.

After I learned about nutritional supplements and homeopathy as a system of medicine within four to six months, Misty went on to make a full recovery. It was cured of this incurable condition. I started to wonder what is it that we're doing that is causing these animals immune system to just short circuit and start attacking the body's own tissues. So I did my own research. We started running what are called antibody titers, and we were finding out that these animals were protected after maybe one or two vaccines as youngsters, and that that protection lasts for years, if not their whole life.

We accumulated thousands and thousands of animal data and stopped vaccinating, and we didn't see these infectious diseases that most of the other practitioners were still over-vaccinating for or giving unnecessary shots. for it. Oh, come here, baby. These animals are given too many vaccines. They're given nutrient poor, processed commercial foods. They're over-medicated with pesticides, both topically and internally.

I strongly feel, this is my truth, that vaccinations in general are one of the most harmful, if not the most harmful, medical intervention of modern science that has fooled most pet owners and most young mothers and fathers. Just this past week, I had an animal present to me that had been to a mother clinic and it had combination distemper, parvo, bordetella, which is kennel cough and rabies, and within a few weeks of that,

developed sudden seizures, and now as an epileptic. This is epidemic in animals today. Chronic illness, chronic suffering, no answers. I'm just so honored to be joined right now by Dr. Michael Dim. Good to be here, Adele. It's really good to have you.

Yep. This is, I would say, probably one of the biggest questions we get. And, you know, I think my audience in some ways is more intelligent than your average bear. I mean, they've found their way here. But the headlines are showing us something similar. When we look at the headlines right now, this is what you'll see. One in three, this is Newsweek. One in three dog owners refused to vaccinate pets due to conspiracy theory.

That was just September 4th, 2023. And so, you know, people are starting, like this whole, I think this whole COVID vaccine thing, just it's caused, we had Dr. Peter McCullough doctors, but lay people to say, man, if they were wrong about this and still pushing it, what about the rest of it and has us looking at, like we give our cats and animals or dogs a lot of vaccines. Yeah, we sure do. And we start when they're really young. And usually when their immune systems are.

still maturing it. Sometimes as young as four or five, six weeks of age. And we're giving them repetitive vaccines every two to three weeks up until they're four or five months of age. And that's at a point when the immune system is developing, the gut immune system especially, and that's when we see the most damage and sets us up for chronic disease later on in life. And, you know, that's something that I try and when I counsel clients, I try and tell them that at that age, be mindful of what we're putting into these animals. And if possible, I recommend skipping most of them. I use in my practice homeopathic remedies

to help keep animals healthy. And I also use nutritional supplements and herbal therapies. And I try to stay away from outside chemical agents, if possible. And vaccines, obviously, are the cornerstone of conventional preventative care. And as I said, as I've had my third years experience doing this. I've seen it cause more suffering and immune mediated diseases than I want to see and even cancer. Yeah. Well, you say cancer and that was one of the things

we were talking about bringing you in just a couple months ago. We were just doing like an old dive because these questions were coming in. And I saw there was actually so many studies on, in this case was feline cancer. Like these cancers and cats, this is just one of them, vaccine associated feline sarcomas. And it got really specific. I mean, they started seeing that where they were injecting the cats, the injection sites themselves were developing these tumors, you know, and it just made me think, you know, to call you, but there was so much science and they sort of recognized it. And it seems to me that they were more open to removing adjuvants. I think we had one of the ads, like the aluminum and things that we've been trying to get out

the childhood vaccine program. Veterinary medicine right here, look at this, safety purity, look, bring that back up really quick, I have right here. Safety, purity, proven protection, pure vaccine. Look what it says. PureVax, feline vaccines have been designed to elicit a protective immune response without the addition of adjuvants. They're celebrating that. You'll never see that written on a single childhood vaccine. No, not at all.

They won't do it. They'll stick with the adjuvants. But here with our animals, we'll go that extra step. Absolutely. And that was a really good development that the drug companies came up with was an aluminum, you know, adjuvant-free vaccine. Yeah. And, you know, not that there aren't other components in vaccines that cause illness. You know, there are buffers and stabilizers and antibiotics and formaldehyde that are also problematic, but definitely removing the aluminum, which was one of the main immune stimulants and toxins to the nervous system,

the heart, the spleen, the liver, and it's actually the aluminum stays at the site of the vaccine for an extended period of time, therefore causing chronic inflammation and eventually these cancers in cats that were appearing months, if not years later. And initially, before my profession found out that it was aluminum, they were recommending that veterinarians vaccinate animals in the tail or on an extremity, just so that if that would occur, you can easily remove the tail or an extremity because the fibrosarcomas, which were the cancers that were appearing, were very refractory to conventional medical treatment. always come back and eventually killed these animals.

Wow. So just instead of stopping the practice, just put it somewhere where it can cut that part of the body off. Right, right. But as you said, Dell, it is good and it's a good development. At least it's in the right direction that we remove the aluminum. And even with dogs, there's with rabies vaccine, there are now thymersole mercury-free vaccines that again are helpful.

Yeah. But I want to, again, remind people that there are other components in the vaccine. that really shouldn't be in there and they cause problems as well. There's a lot of when we talk about, and my wheelhouse is obviously, you know, human vaccines, but this one size fits all idea is really problematic. I mean, whether you have a preemie baby or, you know, like my little brother, I think was 10 and a half pounds when it was born, you know, big chunker. Right. They're getting the same vaccine dose.

And then I think about the amount of vaccines. people say, well, I got my vaccines. And I was like, yeah, you were born before 1986. You had maybe, you know, 10 vaccines, really three shots given a couple times. Right, right. Your kids are now getting 72 vaccines. Is there a similar thing to the amount of vaccines that were, you know, you're saying over and over we're giving in the first several months? Do you feel it's overkill?

I mean, is there? Absolutely. And now there's more increased use of other vaccines like kennel cough. and influenza vaccine was developed. They have a flu shot for animals now. And most of the boarding and kennel facilities actually are now requiring that for animals to be boarded or for doggie daycare.

So there's definitely been an increase in the number of vaccines. And then you have what are called other non-core vaccines like leptosporosis and Lyme disease. And these other vaccines in most animals are not necessary. And they're not safe. They're very often not effective.

And you brought up another good point about the one size fits all. A lot of my colleagues are vaccinating every animal in the same way, just like you said with kids. They're vaccinating large breed dogs like Labradors and sporting dogs, the same that they would, a little Yorkie that may not even go outside very much, giving them the same vaccines and the same amounts. And, you know, most of my colleagues are still giving the standard one-cccdose. MCC dose of a vaccine. And fortunately, one of my colleagues, Dr. Jean Dodd several years ago, published a nice study that showed that you can get effective, you know, antibody response by using half-dose vaccines.

So you're cutting down on the amount of, you know, components of the vaccine that can be We got a quote from this study. It says right here, a half dose of this vaccine was given and generated increased serum vaccine antibody titus for all the dogs studied. the median tighter and endpoint tighter levels had a sustained increase in all dogs at six months post vaccination as the presence of measurable CPV and CDV serum. What is that? I don't know what that means. Serum antibodies, tight. Okay, tiders reflect immunity to these viruses. And given that vaccines are known to cause adverse events, especially in smaller dogs, results of this study confirms

that receiving a half dose of bivalent DPV vaccine was efficacious for this study cohort. So, It's basically saying the vaccine is doing his job. Now, you know, a lot of us, by the time we even get our dog, has been vaccinated. I happen to directly buy a dog from a friend recently. So it's the one dog I know that is just, you know, so healthy, didn't vaccinate at all. I suppose someone's going to record this and come knock on my door. But that is the question, right? There's a lot of laws around, you know, getting rabies shots and things like that. And so for people that are struggling in there. And normally I would just say, if it's your kid, don't do it. Animals, we kind of maybe look at it a different way. What is your advice to people that are, you know, sort of how do they get through the gauntlet? Is there a way to minimize? Can you ask for half doses? With the rabies vaccine, it's a little bit harder because it's supposed to be a standard one-cc-dose. I, in my practice, often will cut down on it. Okay. Because I think you get the same immune response as you would with the full dose.

Rabies vaccine is required by law in all 50 states. And I usually tell clients to wait to get the first one until the immune system is a little more mature until around six months of age. That first vaccine is good for one year, you know, legally. And then they're given a booster at a year of age that's good for three years. Now that three-year immunity is an arbitrary cutoff. It really is the immunity lasts much longer than three years.

And there was some nice studies done by the rabies challenge fund, which were just completed, where they documented that immunity to rabies vaccine lasts for at least five years in these animals. So I, and rabies vaccine from a holistic perspective is one of the more damaging ones to the immune system. It leads to antibodies against the thyroid gland. I often see it lead to neurologic problems, behavioral issues. Really? anxiety, seizures. So it's really one of the more stronger vaccines given to these animals.

And even when you remove the adjuvants, the mercury and the aluminum, I still see immune reactions. And that's because it's stimulating an antibody response against the rest of the tissues in the body. Yeah. And, you know, it was a colleague of mine back in the 90s that actually did some work. His name was Dr. Larry Glickman from Purdue University. And he looked at vaccines and whether they caused antibody responses in dogs. And he looked at multivalent, meaning multiple combination vaccines, which is the typical way my colleagues give them.

And he found that the animals that were vaccinated developed antibodies against many proteins and biochemicals in the body, against collagen, which is the main protein in the body, against the albumin, which is another major protein in the body, different connective tissue components, even the heart valves of patients, they develop antibodies against the heart valve. There's a breed, the King Charles Caval, or Spaniel, that's genetically predisposed to valvular heart disease.

In fact, many of them come down with that disease and go into heart failure. Well, what Dr. Glickman's theory was is that repeated vaccines with these multivalent component vaccines helped bring out that gemetic component by causing an antibody response against the heart valves. Now, the studies that he did, unfortunately, weren't carried out further. They weren't found to follow these animals over years, just like, you know, it was done in the human side of things. Right.

It didn't follow the health. All of a sudden, the research stopped. And the next thing I know, I think I remember back at that time, he was on the payroll for, you know, for a drug company. promoting actually leptosporosis vaccine. So, you know, this type of work has been done. It's out there. And we need to be aware of that in our animals.

Is it as controversial to, you know, be pushing back against the amount of vaccines or the size of the dose in veterinary medicine as it is in mainstream medicine? Or is there a little bit more of an open dialogue amongst veterinarians in this space? Well, most of them are still following the insert on the vaccine. So they're still giving the full dose, even though the study came out that they don't need to give it.

And they're still vaccinating every year. 60% of my colleagues vaccinate animals every year, even though the data and the research for over 50 years, though, has shown that the immunity to core viral vaccines lasts for years, if not the life of the animal. Dr. Ron Schultz, a prestigious immunologist, often considered the father of veterinary immunology, said this 50 years ago. and published and actually published an article in a textbook called Kirk's Current Veterinary Therapy, which was a textbook taught in all veterinary schools at the time. Yeah. And so he, over the years, has, you know, gone out and been an advocate and speaks out and says that our profession is way overdoing it and leading to chronic disease.

So, you know, we want to be aware of this type of work that's being done. Yeah. And so homeopathics, like, is this a branch of veterinarian medicine that's becoming? more popular. I mean, I ran into, we had one in California. We found one here in Austin, Texas, that does it. So it sounds kind of funny when you're first here, but, you know, well, homeopathy is a system of medicine. It's an energy system of medicine that works on a deeper level than even functional medicine does. And by giving diluted remedies that have been potentized, it's called, actually improves the healing of the body. And through the principles of what's

called light cures like. So diluted substances that are prepared and shaken down below where there's any molecules there actually have a tremendous healing effect on the body. And you've seen that. I mean, obviously... Amazing. Amazing. That's why, from a homeopathic perspective, these vaccines cause disease well beyond the biochemical aspect of it. It's actually the essence of the energy of the virus that you're injecting. And so you see those energetic changes in the patient.

emotional, and then eventually physical symptoms. So it's a chronic effect on the body, and we call that vaccinosis. And there are actually homeopathic remedies to counteract that, again, at a deeper energetic level. And so again, I try and counsel clients to be aware of these things. And there's even homeopathic vaccines that can be used as an alternative to the conventional vaccines. For example, in young puppies that are prone to parvovirus, I actually something something

Sometimes they'll recommend what are called parvo nozodes, which is a homeopathic remedy made from diseased material from an animal suffering from parvo. But again, it's prepared and diluted down to where there's nothing physically present but the energy of the virus at a very dilute level. And by giving that to patients when they're in an age that they're susceptible, you'll actually prevent the disease. So that's another option instead of giving young dogs parvo vaccine. Is there, I mean, is that something when you're looking at, you know, you're looking

up a veterinarian, do they tend to say they're homeopathic veterinarians? Is that a search term? Or how do you find that? You know, I often tell my clients, you know, the word holistic veterinarian or homeopathic veterinarian means something different to everybody. Yeah. And a lot of times people say, well, I do the best of both worlds. Right. And they're recommending, let's say, process prescription foods, or they're giving flea and tick and heavy pesticides to these animals and still vaccinating, but they do acupuncture, a little homeopathy, and they call themselves holistic or homeopathic. To me, that's not a true holistic or homeopathic veterinarian. Great point, yeah. So I often tell people there's some excellent websites that they can go to,

like my teacher, Dr. Pitcairn has an institute called the P-I-V-H, and that has a lib-V-H.org. Theiv-H.org? Yeah, has a list of veterinarians that were trained in homeopathy, and usually they're going to be more, you know, again, more totally holistic rather than kind of cherry pick. Right. You know, so that's the better way to raise animals. All right. I'm going to ask you a question that's really close to home for me, and that is that, you know, for a while we were making sort of like this all raw. We had a whole batch of dogs when I, you know, was not nearly as busy as I am now, and my wife and I would grind up the meat and the vegetables and made this, like, fresh.

concoction that was really effective. I mean her daughter was having seizures the seizures disappeared I mean it was really incredible but we're at a place now where there's just not enough time to do it and I am spending a fortune on these roles of remade food and does it make a difference just tell me there's a reason I'm spending this much money to my dog food is medicine yeah Hippocrates the father of medicine yeah let food be thy medicine and medicine thy food the cornerstone of good health for our animals is a species appropriate, preferably rotating raw meat protein diet. And when animals are fed that from young ages,

we see so much less health problems, less skin and ear allergies, less joint problems, urinary disease, cancer, their health, their vibrancy, their behavior is just so much superior to animals raised on processed commercial kibble, which is loaded with synthetic ingredients and processed carbohydrates that animals don't really digest very well.

So the way to feed them is a raw meat diet. And you're saying don't stick the same meat, don't... Yeah, you want to rotate it. Okay. Because what happens is if you and I don't eat the same thing every day, if you feed an animal the same protein every day, they're going to tend to develop an allergy or hypersensitivity to that over time.

Okay. So the best way to feed them is to rotate those proteins. And when clients tell me that when I change my animal's diet, he gets diarrhea or vomiting or gets a tummy upset, I say, well, you need to see a homeopathic or holistic vet to hopefully help strengthen that gut immune system through nutritional therapies and, again, homeopathic remedies so that he or she can tolerate variation in diet. So, yeah, raw meat diets are definitely the way to go, Del.

That and minimal vaccines. When I give lectures and presentations, I tell people if they want to do two things, you just improve the health of their animals. those two things and, you know, they live longer. Now, another topic, I don't know if we have some time to talk about, was the idea of removing the sex hormones of our animals. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah.

You know, getting the dog fixed, getting cats. Right, right. Is that actually that has a negative effect too? Yeah, it actually does. Animals that are neutered or spayed, especially at young ages, the research is now showing that there's a plethora of health problems that these animals develop, bone and joint problems and certain cancers, hormonal diseases, a lot of them are, and behavioral disorders.

People that think that animals that are neutered or spayed have less behavioral issues, well, the incidence of anxieties and aggression and fear actually is higher in the neuterous spayed animal than it is in the non-neuterous animal. So, you know, there's so many benefits to it. And when clients do, if they do decide to neuter a spay an animal, You want to wait until they're at least sexually mature.

So that allows the bones and the joints to mature because there are so many immune problems that we see are the bones and the joints, like ACL tears where an animal will tear its ligament. That's an autoimmune disease. It's not an injury. Wow. And the lack of sex hormones significantly increases the incidence of autoimmune diseases in our animals. So we want to maintain those sex hormones. All right. A lot of benefits.

The wave of the future is actually now to have what are known as gonad sparing, you know, sexual sterilization of animals. Young veterinarians hopefully will be taught those techniques so that we preserve the sex hormones. So with male dogs, they're going to be doing more vasectomies. And with female dogs, they'll be doing more just removal of the uterus and sparing the ovaries. Just like with people.

When you remove sex hormones, right? There's all sorts of health issues that pop up throughout the body. The hormonal systems of the body work together. They don't work in isolation. So you take the sex hormones out. You affect the thyroid, the adrenal, the pituitary. It's all an integrated system. So that's why we want to be mindful of removing those sex hormones, too.

So my take-home points for a healthy animal are less vaccines, species appropriate, raw meat diets are possible. Although my colleagues who would preach vegetarian diets will bicker with me. But, you know, and that's for different reasons. But the species appropriate diet, minimal vaccines, and less flea and tick and pesticide medications and overworming, which also stress the immune system and are toxic on the body. We cut it down on a lot of those, and we have healthier animals. And there are herbal alternatives to a lot of these things, and essential oils that can be used for flea and tick prevention.

There's herbal remedies that are good for heartworm disease. So I try and again recommend these to my clients And a less is more approach when it comes to the conventional drugs Fantastic, Dr. Dim, that was a ton of information. People hope they had their notebooks out Because really, really great. And I know we answered a lot of questions coming in. I want to thank you.

Oh, I love appearing. I love the time to join us. Where do we find you if we want to sort of track down the work that you're doing and some of your advice? Well, they can go to my website, Dr.dim.com, spelled out. And I have some nice videos. on my social media page as well that has information on food, proper diet,

a vaccination issue with some studies that I list and other useful information. And so I do consult with clients nationwide in addition to locally in the South Florida area. Fantastic. Dr. Dim, thank you for joining us today. Oh, great to be here, Del. Such a pleasure. So much to say in such a short period of time. And you did a great job at it.

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