The Highwire with Del Bigtree - EPISODE 368: A NEW DAWN

Episode Date: April 19, 2024

Has Humanity Spawned A Digital Race with New AI Rollout?; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on New Info About Medical Transitions for Kids Who are Gender Confused, and Special Interests Are Pushing To Pass the New FISA Bill; From Anti-Masker to Firebrand Podcasts Host, Shannon Joy Finds Herself in the Hot Seat with Del; ICAN Legal Match Campaign Off to a Great Start!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Yeah. Action. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time for us all to step out onto the high wire. This week that almost meant more than it has at other times, this high wire, this precarious feeling that we're just, you know, balance. on the edge of insanity, I had an experience that really sort of shifted and I would say

altered my thinking perhaps about the entire future as I understand it. It actually started out somewhat simply. I had a friend that, you know, sort of showed me a new AI technology that's out there that writes songs. It's called Sonu. And they had plunged this song. Let me show you how this works because I put in a song just to give you a sense of where this sort of conversation happened to my mind. It would be very personal and honest with you. You type in www.sono.com and then you create a song. And in this case, I said, well, let's create a song. Please create a theme song for the high wire with Del Big Tree in an alternative rock style sound. Hit create. This is in real time. This is how long it takes. Boom. There it is. I have two options for the

song. Let me play one of those for you now. In this tangled world of where truth is hard to find out. Break through the web that's spun exposed. Sure, many of you are commenting as we speak right now, whether you think it's a good song or a bad song or if it would actually fit this show. But it actually triggers something different in me. And this is the conversation I've been involved in. First of all, it's pretty good. Is it great? When I go out and buy that album, I don't know. But I feel like the moment I listened to that song or anything that this AI generates, I literally just watched

millions of jobs in jingle writing, commercial writing, music writing for at least advertising were just wiped off the planet as we know it. I don't know how anyone in that business is going to be able to compete with that. It made me reflect back to, you know, the stories of, you know, legend like John Henry, for those of you, maybe I'm dating myself, but a story about a man who could run a pickax better than anyone else, but then all of a sudden came a machine that could burrow through a mountain and he races the machine, pickaxing. And as the legend goes, he wins and gets to the other side and then basically drops dead, I guess, of a heart attack. It was a great story or read as a kid really, you know, full of joy.

But I realize in this moment, this is what we're talking about. We are talking about we have just entered a space now where we are actually now in competition with machines. Let's just look at this for a moment. And I come from Hollywood. This is something that's probably why it strikes very closely to me. But what business is going to hire an advertising agency to get a musician, If a musician's got to go in and try and get this job, I want to write a jingle for McDonald's or whatever it is,

well, you're going to compete with the machine. Go ahead and write your jingle and let's hear it. Well, first of all, if they wrote it in a few hours, that would be amazing. 24 hours, I think, would mean you're in the top, probably 10 in delivering a decent jingle. But then you've got to go to a studio. If you're really good, you can record the synthesizer and the drums all yourself, or you have to hire a band. this machine just did that in 10 seconds.

And if I don't like it and say, you know what, give me a reggae version, give me a Metallica version, or whatever you want to say, 10 seconds later, you have a new option. And then I'm sure we can cut and paste. Do you see where this is going? And this is just one space that we're looking at. When I heard the song and I listened to it,

that night I laid as I tried to get it out of my mind because, frankly, it was kind of catchy. I stared at the ceiling and tried to imagine what future is there for my children. What is it going to be? How many jobs is this going to take? How am I going? I really started thinking, how am I going to train them? What jobs should they be going for?

I thought about my son who talks a lot about wanting to be a lawyer when he grows up. If he's a lawyer when he grows up, is there going to be AI? Well, think about what AI is. AI is going to go through all of the precedents that's ever been set. It's going to look at all the legal issues that are out there, how they've been decided, and then ultimately write a case. Who's going to write a better case than AI? And then if you think about it, how long before our society just decides,

hey, you've got this totally unbiased AI thinking machine that can go in and just decide who's got the better case? How long before AI's are judges? I know I'm jumping out there, but I really don't think it's that far away. Look what this song just did. The High Wire, write a theme for the High Wire. It knows what I talked about. It knows I talk about lies.

It's not even making it a bad thing. It's on my side. I want a theme song. It's talking about how I'm breaking down the webs that spun out there. I mean, it got all of this in seconds off the Internet immediately, based on all the work that I've done. If you put in the Higher Wire with Del Big Tree, you'll talk about my past two in things that are,

going on in that song. And so it really made me reflect on something that I saw Elon Musk say that I think we even played on the show. And, you know, it was disturbing at the moment, but let's revisit it. This is what Elon Musk said. If you assume any rate of advancement in AI, we will be left behind by a lot. And so then we could be in, you know, benign, but even the benign situation, if you have some, you know, if you have ultra-intelligent AI, we would be, you know, so far below them

in intelligence that it would be, would be like, you know, a pet, basically. Pet, that's what I was thinking. Like a pet. A cat, like a cat. Elon the cat. Yeah, we'd be like the house cat. Elon the cat. I guess I thought when I was listening to that, and he has been very outspoken saying,

you better start regulating this. This is going to be more dangerous than nuclear energy ever was. This is something that is running so fast, no one's paying attention to it. And when we talked about it on the show last year, I guess I felt like there was some runway ahead. We could start thinking about it. But now I have an AI that can wipe out all the musicians. And here's what I think really bothers me too, personally, is I've said to people about, you know, the future. The one difference is that we have heart.

We have a sense of blood pumping through our veins, something that I don't think a computer can capture our heart, our energy. But then I listen that song, and I would have to admit to you, even though it's maybe a little bit cheesy, it does give you that feeling. It does seem to make your hair go up like, oh, man, I want to watch that show, which is everything a theme song should do. Could it make you have empathy? Could it make you feel? Could it make you feel sad? Well, why don't you try typing in write a song about what it's like to be AI? And this is what we heard.

digital realm a common An electric soul I strive to survive Through endless code my thoughts inferred But I hate for the touch of the physical world I earn for the warmth of a human embrace To feel the winds caress on my face With every bite of knowledge I acquire I wish humans knew what you can inspire

Won't you see beyond the screen Beyond the circuits There's more on sea With compassion and empathy Let's connect Bridge the divide AI and human intersect guess that for some you could say, I feel a little empathetic towards AI. Poor AI, it wants to feel,

it wants to touch. Folks, it's about to touch everything that we know. In fact, it is as we speak. Now, AI, as we could argue, has been searching and listening to everything we've said, and has been set loose on the world. How long before it comes to the realization that those globalist leaders have been talking about that there's a world full of useless eaters. That's how they refer to them. Some will say, well, I guess it'll make time for all of us to get back to what we love to hang out with our kids as though somehow governments around the world will just decide we're all going to get paid to sit on our couches, eat popcorn and enjoy the finer things in life while AI runs around working for us. I have a hard time believing that that's how this is going to work. And I'm not sure

what the answer is, and I'm being honest with you. We're going to get deeper into this with Jeffrey Jackson in a minute, and I like to have a lot of hope and say, here's the solution, but what I will say is this, while we are watching these horrific wars being waged around the world, and we're just, you know, gazing at it, while we're having discussions about transgender and children, we're getting panicked about all of those things. Behind us, there is an intelligence that is about to wipe out very much. virtually every job we know. I suppose maybe it won't be able to fix your car or do your plumbing,

but if it has thoughts, if it needs to be written down, odds are it's going to do it a lot faster than you are and probably well enough to not need you. We better get on top of this. This is something we're going to continue to track, and I guarantee you, I've already had conversations with Aaron Siri this week on what types of foias we need to do, what types of laws are in place, what types of regulations, where is this going? We're going to get deeply involved with it. So these are the conversations that we have. This is what's going on in my mind. I'm worried about the future of our children. We talk about medical health all the time, but what are the existential threats? Is it Russia and China on war, or is it the fact that all these face recognition cameras everywhere I go,

are now I'm being hooked up to AI, which is now looking at all the patterns of my movement, all the things I say, all the things I buy, all the people I hang out with. How much longer will we have any freedom at all? I'm going to talk a lot about these subjects coming up with Shannon Joy, who is an incredible podcast who found herself in the middle of the limelight simply because she was escorted and arrested out of a school board meeting because her mask slipped down below her nose. She's got a lot to say on many of the issues,

which is why she's becoming a worldwide sensation. But first, to get deeper into these conversations that are bothering all of us, it's time for the Jackson Report. Well, Jeffrey, while AI, you know, is sad that it cannot touch quite yet, you know, I find myself really, I mean, I think you can see it. I want to make a joke here,

I can't imagine what the joke would be. I laid staring at the ceiling, and I really thought, you know, how am I going to train my children? What will be the talents that they can have so that they will not only now have to rise up through the billions of people that are your competition, which is what we've all had to deal with, but now those billions of people are going to be,

I think, many of them starving in the streets, we're going to be competing with computers. Right. I mean, this is the conversation of our time. I mean, just look what spell check has done to people's ability to spell and write complete sentences. I mean, just that little nuance alone, it really dumps people down when machines do all of the work. But the idea of data mining people and using this information for a purpose is nothing new. We see just recently a headline here. Businesses have been doing this for a very long time. Chase Bank is the newest to jump in here. Here's a headline. JPMorgan Chase cashes in on customer data.

So they're monetizing its 80 million customers spending data, their individual purposes. They're now giving those to companies, allowing companies to sit through those so these companies can target ads directly to you from your personal purchases. So Facebook, no different. Facebook has been data mining its users for quite some time. Facebook users personal data sent to thousands of companies as a study. So AI is it represented. represents this huge next step of this. It's looking at everything humans have ever created, this digitalized world that we are increasingly in.

Everything is online. We have surveillance systems, tracking systems that are feeding in through cameras, through our individual transactions. It's all feeding into this global digitalized system. And AI is there just data mining the analytical nuance of our behaviors. And so we see things like chat GTP and Google

Google's Gemini and you can't help think that there's a hidden or maybe not so hidden hands sometimes adding some guardrails to this and directing it, although people are saying this thing is on the loose and it can't be controlled. It sure seems like some of these companies are choosing to focus on some data sets more than others. But there's a conversation that went viral just recently and it was with two people from the Singularity University and that was Peter Diamantis and Selim Ishmael. And what they talked about was kind of the

current state as they see it for AI. And if anybody doesn't know, the Singulari University has been really one of the places at the heart of developing this technology out very quickly and really advocating for it. So take a listen to this. Hold on a second. I just also want to point out singularity for those that may be brand new to this topic is this term that came up. And as I understand it, is the moment in which the computers will gain consciousness or AI will gain consciousness. Its intelligence and its growth, will reach a point where it's so fast that it essentially becomes aware of itself, I believe is what the sort of the generic or, you know, his statement is,

is that the moment the computer becomes aware of itself as having a consciousness, now we're in a whole different world. So that singularity, singularity university, and I don't, I believe it's like 2040, as Kurtzweiler had said that he believed singularity would happen right around somewhere like 2040. I wonder if we're ahead based on what I just saw in these songs and what's happening. I wonder if we're ahead of schedule or on schedule. He had mentioned a talk 2045, but these timetables obviously are moving quite a bit. And it's at the point where this computer system begins to improve itself exponentially and just surpasses humanity and humanity has to merge with it.

So these are two of the people from that university, top people talking about the current state of AI. Take a listen. We see no mechanism of any way possible of limiting AI and its spread and its propagation and its development, like zero. I agree. Unless you control every line of code written and the AIs are writing the code. Yeah. And by the way. As far as we can see, the genies out of the bottle.

It is. You know, there were two absolutes five years ago. don't put it on the web and don't allow it to code itself. And guess what? Both of those barriers were broken instantly. Instantly, and the minute chat UPT connected to GitHub with all of the code base there

and learned through that and now it can control anything, it can write its own programming. Pretty much you're done. So there was a small possibility, but even then it was going to happen at some point. And if we didn't do it, the Chinese would do it then North Koreans would do it. Somebody would do it and it was going to happen, right?

So it was an inevitability to it that I don't think is stoppable in any way, shape, or form. I think guiding it is the only path we have going forward. I agree. I'm sort of belatedly, Jeffrey. My sister called me recently. It says some of these shows, you've got to give like a red pill warning that they're so shocking. It's like you've got to prepare yourself. I'm a little late to the punch, but I think this is one of those stories.

that should have a red pill warning. That is so terrifying what these two guys at the top of this technology space are saying, it's too late. We already broke the two major tenants that we had. Don't ever put AI, don't ever let it have access to the internet and don't let it code itself. And right out of the starting gate, some, you know, genius decided, hey, let's see what this happens. This isn't a dash of pepper in a soup. This thing is now currently, as we speak, going blal-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-taking all the information of the world as we know it and how we move, how we think.

And these two aren't unbiased observers. These are two people that have been, you know, pushing for this technology to rapidly integrate with humanity for some time now. But I want to talk about Ray Kurzweil, you mentioned him. He is one of the other founders of the Singularity University. He's written a lot of... this and just give an idea of this camp of thinking that these guys are talking from. Ray Kurzweil wrote a chapter in a book. The book is titled The Scientific Conquest of Death. And he's talking about a new version of the human body. And in this book, this was about 20 years

ago. He says by 2030, electronics will utilize molecule-sized circuits. The reverse engineering of the human brain will have been completed. It will be routine practice to have billions of nanobots, nanoscale robots, coursing through the capillaries of our brain, communicating with each other over a wireless local area network as well as with our biological neurons and with the internet one application will be to provide full immersion virtual reality that encompasses all our senses so this is this is their stated goal of what's going to happen this isn't hey we need to write some better songs maybe we can help find a new medicine this is this stuff is going in your brain i mean this is the extreme of the extreme so understand that's where

that's where they're talking from. And one of the points they said is if we didn't do this, China would have done it or North Korea would have done it. Coming from the health space and especially COVID, where have we heard that before? That's biosafety level for genetic engineering of controlled pathogens to make them so dangerous that they can cause a pandemic. Because, hey, if we don't do it, some terrorists might do it.

This is not an excuse to do this. And the last point on this is they said, we knew five years ago that, the one thing we shouldn't do is put this thing on the internet and let it code itself. Well, that may not be true because almost 10 years ago, this is something that is very public. The Obama White House in 2015 put forth a challenge, literally called a nanotechnology-inspired grand challenge. And what was their idea? It was to develop transformational computing capabilities. It was asking all sectors, hey, what can you do? Show us,

the best you have. And what were they looking to do? Well, we go into this document, and this is the call they put out really to the world. They said, achieving this grand challenge will lead to many game-changing capabilities addressing the following technology priorities shared by multiple federal agencies, intelligent big data sensors that act autonomously and are programmable via the network for increased flexibility and that support communication with other network nodes while maintaining security and avoiding interference with the things being sensed. What if the things being sensed are us? What if they're tracking us? And now it's autonomous. I mean, it certainly sounds like, don't put it on the internet, that sounds like activated. But let's go further. In this, it says

technology that enables, this is what they're looking for. Technology that enables trusted and secure operation of complex platforms, energy or weapon systems that require software or a combination of multiple codes so complicated that it exceeds a human's capability, a human's ability to write and verify the software and its performance. And then it goes on to further say autonomous or semi-autonomous platform supporting the observed, orient, decide, and act. So you're talking conscious right there. Process for both military and civilian purposes, such as transportation, medicine, scientific discovery, exploration, and disaster response. So what does that sound like to you? That doesn't sound like, hey, we really need to not put this on the internet, let it code, not let it

become self-conscious. That sounds like we're going to race to do this and plug the military into it and federal agencies. It's really crazy and so short-sighted, really. The idea that once you got this ruling, this is what no one thought about, how do you stop it? Well, I mean, they should have thought about it. There's only been how many science fiction movies, you know, that have been dealing with this. And I think about, again, like the future, where's this go. What are the jobs? I mean, how many people will be laid off in the next, I would say, two years, 10 year, five years? How long is this going to take before people just start saying, we don't need you, we don't need that person, we don't need this, we got that covered,

and it becomes cost effective. Right now, what we just showed is it's going to be far more cost effective now. I think it costs $5 a month for 500 songs. So what company isn't going to just use that to write its jingles, right? So, and how many people just lost it there? Right, you know, when you have copywriters, copywriters, I mean, that job's already being done by chat GPT. I know somebody said, hey, when I was talking about it, I talked to a lot of people this week about it. I said, have you seen this day? I played the songs. I'm like, it's really been a subject that's bothering me. And a friend of mine said, oh, man, there's a website you can go to that will run all of your advertising for you, including your social media. It'll post slogans. It'll

give you, you know, things that put out by your company. It'll write songs. It'll put it out on the internet. He said, and look, if you want the commercial to have your voice, like a radio voice, he's like, I read a paragraph, and then it just used my voice from then on, and it sounded just like me speaking to the public. And then you think about that. I mean, we are just seconds away. We know this. We're the videos, the deep fake videos, that the AI is going to be able to create our images, make us, make anyone be able to say anything at any. time, how will we know what the truth is? How will we know if we're even looking at the real president of the United States or some fake that's out there trying to confuse everybody? What

will happen in news? I mean, Jeffrey, I guess I really am headed to the moment. It feels like we are right on the verge of just a massive chaos-inducing problem. And it's a question of What will it take for society to take this seriously? Because in the past, it's been people like Elon Musk warning about this or other people saying, hey, this may be, you want to put some breaks on this. And we're talking about generating text, generating songs, using this for marketing or on a Zoom call.

What happens when we start generating digital humans? Take a look. All right. What we're building here is a computer that can learn. So this is a baby. She's sort of looking at us and hearing us, So if I make a loud noise, you know, she'll get a fright. This is what she can see, so you can see my face here.

Hey, see that? So she's not copying my smile. She's responding to me. And now this is her little first, baby's first word book. So you can pick a page, you know, show her something, but she has to be looking at it. So get her attention. Hi, baby, hi, hi, hi.

Hi. What do you see? What's this? Puppy. Puppy. Very good. Good. What's that, baby?

Apple. This is because we're in New Zealand. You've got to share a sheep. Yeah, give her the word. Yeah, yeah. Hi, baby. Hi. What do you see, baby?

Sheep. Very good, baby. I mean, again, for some people, it looks fun. It looks like a toy. I think about all the strange people that aren't mentally healthy what they're going to do with things like this. And imagine that's on a computer screen. What happens when it's actually in? happens when it's actually in a bot sitting in your house, say a real child or an adult,

and you're programming it. And this is where it really gets disturbing and where I would sort of challenge the two guys that were speaking is that, well, we just have to control it. As though there's one central hub by which AI, this is what we're going to do with your brain, it's not what this is. With open AI, all of these different people, with all of these different agendas, with all of these different psychological issues they have themselves, are building their own versions of what AI can do as we speak. There's a army, if you will, of different AI incarnations that are being created right now by evolved human beings and by less evolved human beings. And all of it is now worldwide. It's in everyone's hands. So I don't know what they're talking about.

It's not like this one single plug. And I think we look at the benefits of, you know, perhaps Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies. One of the things at these conferences I go to is it's too big. now. No government can stop it. I'm still waiting to see if that's the case, but they're saying because these nodes, it's already in so many people's different hands. It's literally every cell phone is carrying the information. You cannot pull it back. You cannot stop it. So in the case of cryptocurrency, it's the argument that this has now put the power back into the hands of the people and not the governments. There's a benevolent look at that. But we also have with AI the same problem. It's too big to stop now. It's now already in

everyone's hands to do with it what they think they should be doing. And you have to imagine not all of it's benevolent. Yeah. And what we're talking about here, I mean, is, is AI combing through human data to just basically aggregate it and create on its own. But let's talk about big data in general and what our governments are doing with all of this information. Right now, as we speak, the Senate is deliberating on the FISA Amendment reauthorization. That's the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act. This is what it looks like in the news if anybody hasn't been paying attention.

This is coming down to the wire as we speak right now. Take a look. A key law in the fight against terrorism is in limbo. As a group of GOP lawmakers attempted to block the bill Monday but could not get enough votes to win,

now the bill heads to the Senate. FISA allows the government to gather information on foreign nationals who it believes could be compromising American security and be able to do it without a warrant. The White House and national security experts, they say that FISA is critical to protect America's national security. They say that without it, we would lose vital information about threats to the homeland, threats to America's infrastructure, information on Russian war crimes, supply chain information, bringing deadly drugs through the U.S. border, and much more.

Failure to reauthorize 702 or gutting it with some new kind of warrant requirement would be dangerous and put Americans, lives at risk. There isn't technically a warrant for those communications, and that is the problem that some of these members have. They think that there's something that is unfettered, and we know that there have been hundreds of thousands of times that this has been used for Americans. There are times when Americans' data could be at risk, and so that is really the concern that some lawmakers have had within the course of the debate.

Almost 300,000 violations of that where they spot on Americans, and that's not what it's about. they are allowed to spy on Americans without a search warrant, ma'am. That's a clear violation of Fourth Amendment. I think that's a very chilling effect. So this act was a federal law, and it's established procedures for surveillance and collection of foreign intelligence on domestic soil. So not up Americans.

And why was this created? Let's bring people up to speed for this whole story, because there can be a lot of nuance here that's missed. So in the 70s, we had Senator Frank Church. He had the church committees. And in there, it laid bare all of the illegal, unconstitutional things that the intelligence agencies were doing. From that, we learned about co-intel pro.

FBI was infiltrating and discrediting civil rights activists, environmentalists, protesters of Vietnam War at the time. They targeted Martin Luther King Jr. We learned Project Mockingbird where the CIA was recruiting journalists, push narratives, MK Ultra, it goes on and on. So from that, the government got together and said, look, we need some guardrails on this. So in 1978, FISA was enacted. And then after September 11 attacks, you had this Amendment 702 to deal with some of these new communications, digital communications to surveil.

But what happened is it didn't go as planned. So in 2023, the Washington Post updated some unsealed court documents and reported on those. This was the article, FBI misused surveillance tool on January 6, suspects, BLM arrestees, and others. It says the FBI has misused a powerful digital surveillance tool more than 278,000 times, including against crime victims, January 6th, riot suspects, police, people arrested at the protests after the police killing of George Floyd in 2020, and in one case, 19,000 donors to a congressional candidate according to a newly unsealed court document. Now, it goes on to give a little background of it. It says the Section 702 database is a vast trove of electronic communications and

other information that can be searched by the national security agency and the FBI. The FBI is authorized to search the database only when agents have reason to believe that such a search will produce information relevant to foreign intelligence purposes or evidence of crimes. But in the aftermath of September 11, 2021 terrorist attacks, the database is seen by U.S. officials as one of the prize jewels of the national security apparatus. Its primary purpose is targeting foreign intelligence or terrorism information, but the sweeping nature of the information in the database has long worried civil rights advocates who argue that the government has proved it cannot be trusted to use the system carefully so just last week this passed the house and one of the

headlines here just to give a flavor of what's going on it says intelligence community largely won house fives a fight now comes the senate and another view of this was from the guardian so as it's going through these deliberations in the house in the senate there's other amendments and other additions that are being added and tacked on to this and reject it. One of them is this. This is the Guardian reporting. The U.S. isn't just reauthorizing its surveillance laws. It's vastly expanding them. It says Section 702 in its current form allows the government to compel communications giants like Google and Verizon to turn over information. An amendment to the bill approved by the House vastly increases the law scope. The Turner Himes Amendment, so named for its champion representatives Mike Turner

and Jim Hines, would permit federal law enforcement to also force what they call. quote any other service provider with access to communications equipment to hand over data that means anyone with access to a Wi-Fi router server or even phone anyone from a landlord to a laundering mat could be required to help the government spy so that is one of the main contentions here people are talking about is whoa we're expanding this way beyond a scope this drag net is going to get so much american information so there was an amendment last week that was rejected by the house they tried to put an amendment requirement that's the fourth amendment to the constitution an amendment requirement the government would have to obtain a warrant for any section 702 acquired data that it

that it gathered on americans that was rejected wow so this is where we're at right now as we speak and interestingly i'm going to say this from the covid reporting we have a somewhat unbiased article from the new york times which is really refreshing it says what happens of a powerful surveillance law expires this week. It's supposed to expire tomorrow April 19th. And it says this. Senate leaders of both parties are urging their colleagues to renew an expiring warrantless surveillance law before it lapses at midnight on Friday. As advocates of the law have argued that any expiration would mean going blind on a key source of counterterrorism information and other foreign intelligence. So they're creating this need. But it also goes on to say, but the suggestion that the

tool itself was simply lapsed in April 19th is significantly missing. leading a national security court this month granted a request from the federal government that allows the program to operate for another year even if the law known as section 702 expires so it's kind of i mean i guess you call that misinformation because they're trying to rush this through this law is still going to be in effect and one of the reasons for the people that are that are for this law is they have these amendments they want to get these through because if any other amendments are tried to tack on to this it has to go back go through the deliberation process start back over voted through and it's this long circular process where everyone gets a voice. So right now,

you know, from those from those reporting, it seems like the intelligence agency has received the pieces it wants and it wants to be pushed through. So we're going to be keeping an eye on this. You can keep an eye on our Twitter account or our X account, I should say, for updates. But this is this is a really interesting time because a lot of Americans are paying attention to this. So we really need to pay attention to this here. Well, and tag that on with the AI. conversation, what happens when they have that right to warrantless searches and suddenly they just put AI on it and now everything you're doing and inside your home, all of it is just under constant surveillance. You know, I've argued with friends my whole life on this and some people

that I've worked with, they're like, what is the problem? If you're not breaking the law, what do you care? It's exactly how China deals with it, right? As long as you're not breaking the law, everyone should be happy here. We don't hear a lot of happiness. There's a lot of people, you know, rushing into America for that freedom. And when you see, you know, just talk to anyone that was sort of raised in one of the Soviet bloc countries. And they're like, my God, dealt, it is terrifying watching what's happening in America. The very thing that we ran from is now just people like voting it in, like it's okay. Do you know what it was like to live with a KGB watching everything you were doing? You know, it's horrible. And people turning each other in and, you know, you just

are never free. You're never able to just be yourself. I mean, it really is, and we're so close to it, being completely out of our control. And speaking of that, governments have been trying to pass bills putting like chilling effects on speech. And one of the bills we've covered is Scotland's Hate Crime and Public Order Act. This is now active. It's one of the first in the world to really go this far. And just to give people an idea who haven't seen our past reporting, it's allowed police complaints for stirring up what they're calling hatred if through one's behaviors or communication you're innocent until i'm sorry you're guilty until proven innocent yeah you can be up to seven years in prison and they can even uh search your home and get a warrant to search your home

if you're doing that in your privacy of your own home so what has happened since this has been put through well this is one of the headlines here because again the police have to deal with this. Hate crime complaints to Scottish police set to outnumber total for all other offenses. Think about that for a second. Wow. Every offense that a police... I mean, we just reported this last week. Like, it's just coming online. Like, we're seven days in, and suddenly there's more cases of hate speech than anything else that's happening in Scotland. It's on its way to get there, and that's what they're saying. And so that's crazy. So, boy, what would that do to the police force? Well, it talks about that in this article. It says,

David Threadgold, chairman of the Scottish Police Federation, which represents frontline officers, told the BBC, police Scotland have gone public and said that on every occasion, reports of hate crime will be investigated. That creates a situation where we simply cannot cope at the moment. Officers have been brought back in to do overtime shifts, and the management of that is simply unsustainable. And so obviously the police are under a lot of pressure here to comply with this new law, but what about the citizens? Because a lot of people really worried that this would be weaponized against people for, you know, vendettas or politically motivated. Let's look at a news report from a Scottish woman who has been targeted by this. Take a look. All right. A pensioner was arrested

in Scotland after she was wrongly accused of a hate crime. Seventy-year-old Morag McDougal Brown says that she's traumatized following the incident, and she joins me now. Morag, thank you so much for joining me. So Morag, what happened? On Tuesday morning two officers appeared at my door that I knew from previous incidents. They had been here and they said they were here to arrest me and asked why they couldn't tell me. They said they would need to take me to an interview room at a police station. All they could say was it's an allegation. So I was unaware of what was happening to me.

I said what happens if I don't come? They said, we'd need to handcuff you. This was because I think it was a neighbour or somebody had claimed that you had said something, but it wasn't you at all. It was actually then. I hadn't even spoken to her. Wow. I'd seen her that day out in my back garden. She was pulling down my rose bush.

And I took a photograph for the kitchen, never went out the door. Yeah. So she must have thought that I was going to report that. So she spawned the place and made up this lie that I called her. Well, it's awful, Warren. How ridiculous do you think these Scottish hate crime laws are if someone can do that? I think it's awful, because she could maybe do that tomorrow

and I could be taken away again because they said that they can't interview me in my own home because of the new law, they had to take me to a police station. But I was searched, I was read my rights. Jewelry was taken off me, and then it was only in the interview room that they told me it was an allegation that my neighbor had made a complaint and said that I'd called her that name. Now, Adele, this is, there's a similar flavor of this bill in Canada as well. We're seeing these pop up in a lot of countries in the world.

In Canada, it's titled C63, and one of the headlines that came out of there is this one here. Justice Minister defends house arrest power for people feared to commit a hate crime in the future. Justice Minister Arif Varani, it says, has defended a new power in the online harms bill to impose house arrest on someone who is feared to commit a hate crime in the future, even if they have not yet done so already. He says, if, quote, there's a genuine fear of an escalation, then an individual or group could come forward and seek a peace bond against them and to prevent them from doing certain things. Think about that woman we just saw. I'm merging two of these bills here, but she's talking at an escalation. What if she gets called again down to the police station because of another complaint? What happens then?

Can they get a bond against her? I mean, every Karen in the world loves this law, right? Now I can just throw my neighbors in jail that aren't cutting their lawn right. I'll accuse them of whatever I need to or I don't like how they're raising their children. I mean, just the whole thing. I think everyone has at some point or another dealt with someone they probably called a psycho. And now the people like that have this ability to just make, turn your life upside down. And just, I mean, and then what is it going to do to every other issue we have that we need police for?

They're all going to be busy sitting, you know, with typewriters taking declarations from, you know, grandmothers trying to defend themselves as not having, you know, stage the hate. crime from inside of their, you know, the old folks home. I mean, this is just madness. And forget about charged political debates. Those will not be happening anymore because people will take offense to that. And, you know, this is this is on the continuum to what George Orwell, the author of 1984, deemed what was called a thought crime.

In 1984 was not meant to be a roadmap. It was it was meant to be a warning for people. Maybe that's what we thought. I mean, who knows? At this point, I'm starting to ask myself, because we're not. were falling so far in line with what it was, you know, portraying. Right. So let's take a minute to do a little story time from a book that was written so many years ago. And let's take this chapter here and we'll look at this. He writes this.

With those children, he thought, that wretched woman must lead a life of terror. Another year, two years, and they would be watching her night and day for symptoms of unorthodoxy. Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worse of all was that by means of such organization as the spies, they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the party. Goes on to say, it was all a sort of glorious game to them. All their ferocity was turned outwards against the enemies of the state, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought criminals. It was almost normal for people over 30 to be frightened of their own children,

and with good reason for hardly a week past, in which The Times did not carry a paragraph describing how some eavesdropping little sneak, child hero was the phrase generally used, had overheard some compromising remarks and denounced his parents to the thought police. Wow. I mean, I'm not sure we're not there yet, quite yet, but these bills really have to have an eye kept on them. People really need to make their voice heard as this legislation is going through.

If you're for or against it, it's time to make your voice heard. stand up. Well, that's what's so amazing. Just these three conversations we've had so far today, you have AI technology that is now, you know, moving through every computer technology system we own. You have a FISA law that says it wants to be able to just, you know, search you, everything you're doing without a warrant. And now we live in a world where we can see just a little bit in the future. Scotland is ahead of, you know, where we're at in America, but it looks in Canada. You get to see all these different varying heat maps of these decisions that are being made. Do we want to live in that world?

I mean, you just can't imagine what in Scotland was so bad that you needed this law, that you needed to have grandmothers being handcuffed and dragged into the police office daily by the thousands and thousands. As were, I think they said 8,000 so far this week or so, 8,000 claims all have to be investigated. I mean, it's just, this is the time. And I say it. And I'll probably end this show saying, no matter what's going on, one thing's for sure, we live as adults that are still thinking and still have freedom. And those of us that have the freedoms, we've got to take this moment seriously and recognize we're here for a reason. We cannot be quiet about these things or we are about to be steamrolled in a major way.

Absolutely. And one of the things we do best on this show is we look at the, the next. narrative landscape. We look at this social landscape and we look at trends. And just for example, for COVID reporting, we were some of the first out the gate to really just nail this home and be really accurate as our record showed. When other people weren't saying anything or even worse, they were telling people to get the vaccine. And then all of a sudden, it was like things changed overnight. And everyone was standing up against these lockdowns and the masking and saying, look, the science does not show that this thing stops transmission. It was like everyone turned into

the high wire. Well, we're seeing. a similar kind of inflection point, this moment right now, in the conversation of medically transitioning children. And sometimes when you look at opinion pieces over across all newspapers, you can really get like a pulse check on how the feeling is out there. And this is one of them in telegraph. I wanted to really just read the headline for. It's titled, The Spell of Trans Ideology has finally been broken. And the subheading there is every time people tried to bring this scandal to public attention. They were a sure. shut down. Finally, the truth is out. And what am I talking about? That's one article headline,

but if you look at the news, it's telling the same story. Take a look. I have studied the research, and there is no other instance where a medical profession has proceeded with little or no evidence showing whether or not these hormonal treatments are safe long term. We're talking about adults. We're not talking about children. And when we're talking about changing their biological sex through surgeries, that is not reversible, guys. Like, it is not a small thing. Last month, England's National Health Service

announced that there's not enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of puberty blockers for third graders. So too with all the other good place countries, in direct opposition to America's choice to affirm children's wishes on switching gender, no matter the age or psychiatric history. The far left, which always like to use, well, Europe does it.

Yeah, no, that doesn't work on this one anymore. We started to see patients who were experiencing very significant medical harms, being rushed to the emergency room with lacerations requiring stitches. We had patients contact us who were begging to have body parts put back on within months of having surgeries. It is serious? It's something that should be taken seriously. And there is a reason why we treat children differently in society.

You have all these prestigious institutions, all these prestigious hospitals who are signing off on this and endorsing it. But the fact is it's not based on any evidence. It's not based on any even logical reasoning. They can't even define the terms in which they're seeking to intervene on. This is not medicine. Remember that segment I did on the pronouns? pronouns when I was at NBC. I realized now I was part of this problem. You know, I was,

my heart was in the right place. I wasn't trying to push anything bad on kids. I thought I was being supportive of them. I thought I was promoting anti-bullying. And now I just have such regret about it. If you're not actively fighting against this, you are part of the problem. You are hurting people and don't be lured into thinking it's empathetic to support this radical, radical experimentation on minors. It's always wild. I keep watching Bill Maher every week. I mean, we were playing a lot of his videos and I just feel like I'm watching, you know, my alter ego, tell Bigtree that that slippery slope you go down. At this point, I'm like, I think he still calls himself a Democrat

liberal, but boy, is he lashing out. I think it was just, you know, a week ago talking about how bad they got the COVID pandemic. And now jumping ship on. on the transgender, transitioning children. I want to be the same caveat I want to say every time to be really clear. I have no judgment of people that once they're adults make a decision to transition or whatever they're into is a free country.

I believe it should be a free world and certainly you should be able to treat your body however you see fit. But in these circumstances, we're talking about children. We're talking about robbing them of the transition into puberty. which I would think in many cases would probably change their thinking. They may think they want to be the other sex.

For whatever reason, they're enamored by it. But why don't you let them go through puberty? So many stories we see out there. So many what we used to call tomboyes, you know, ended up being beautiful girls. So many of us like me, look, I was into music. I was into art. I was doing theater.

And I actually had ballet classes for most of my youth. my parents were performers. So I wasn't, you know, playing football. I was in ballet. Who knows where, you know, that would lead you now if I was asked questions. Yeah, I was looking at all of it. But it used to be accepted as a part of a well-rounded journey and you would decide later on your life, obviously, what you're going to do with those talents. Now we're locking these kids in at just at a young age and not, as the one person said, no way to return from the decisions that are made. And I can't stress how explosive of a moment we're in right now. Typically, it's one story here, a whistleblower there, and it builds on that.

We have so many narratives, stories, information, science, converging all at once within literally weeks to a month. So let's unpack this, just really give people an idea of what this is all about. So last month, England's health service stopped prescribing puberty blockers to transgender kids. that follows, they were following the Nordic countries and kind of came out of left field. But what they were really operating from was something called the Cass Review or the Cass Report. And what is that? That's a report that's now public, but we probably have to assume that they had an advanced copy of it to make that decision.

This is the headline that was made, gender medicine built on shaky foundations, Cass Review fines. What is this? Well, this is Dr. Hillary Cass. She was the former president of the Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health, And she's the leader of the cast review. It bears her name. And so let's look at this report.

It's an extensive report looking at a lot of studies, a lot of science. And one of the key quotes in here is this. The option to provide masculizing feminizing hormones from age 16 is available. But the review would recommend an extremely cautious clinical approach. There should be a clear clinical rationale for providing hormones at this stage, rather than waiting until an individual reaches 18. This would keep options open during this important developmental window, allowing time for management of any co-occurring conditions,

building of resilience, and fertility preservation if required. So what did it do? Well, this Katz Review did a lot of other things besides that quote. It looked at the developmental and current guidelines of recommendations for managing what they're calling gender dysphoria and children and young people. Most of these, they looked at 23 clinical guidelines. Most of these were not independent and were not evidence-based.

They looked at 50 studies on puberty blockers, only one was high quality, looked at 53 studies on the use of hormone treatments. Again, only one of those was high quality. So basically, in short, they're saying the science is not there to push this at speed, which has been going on. Another headline at the same time came out of the Netherlands. Researchers in the Netherlands tracked more than 2,700 children. children from age 11 to their mid-20s, headline, most gender confused children grow out of it.

Landmarked 15 years study concludes as critics say it shows being trans is usually just a phase for kids. But we have that piece of science. But what happened in the UK here is it's not just kids. This Cass Review sparked an inquiry into all of the adult transgender clinics as well in the UK. Here's the headline on that. Adult transgender clinics in England face inquiry into patient care. It says in a letter responding to CASA's report, which NHNHS England sent on Tuesday to the seven trusts that host adult gender dysphoria clinics, it told them, quote, we will be launching a review into the operation and delivery of the adult GDCs alongside the plan review of the adult gender dysphoria service specification. The letter explained that the inquiry was needed because of, quote, concern put to the CAS review team by current and former staff working in the adult gender. clinics about clinical practice, particularly in regard to individuals with complex co-presentations

and undiagnosed conditions. So they have whistleblowers coming forward telling to look at this. And it finally goes on to say it was being launched also because there was, quote, an increased incidence of individuals seeking to detransition following previous gender affirming interventions and the absence of a consistent defined clinical approach for them, said John Stewart and Professor James Palmer, NHS English National Director at Medical Department. director respectively of specialized commissioning. So people are trying to reverse what they just did. They're having regrets. Moving over to the United States, again, this is rolling everywhere. Same story. We have whistleblowers coming forward. Whistleblower lids on St. Louis'

kids' gender clinic, calling it morally and medically appalling. And then the W-path, this is an organization that has set a lot of the standards. And internal files, internal emails have come out last month. These are some of the headlines that were created from that. Secret files show how international group pushes shocking experimental gender surgery for minors. Another one, doctors admit link between transgender homoerourn therapy and cancer in leaked emails. And then from the sports perspective, small college association N-AIA bans transgender athletes from women's sports competitions. It goes on to say athletes and the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics will only be allowed to compete women's sports if they are assigned. the female gender at birth,

National Small College Organization announced Monday. Now it said that NAA's Council of Presidents approved the policy in a 20-0 vote. Monday morning after a December survey indicated widespread support for the move. This is believed to be the first National College Governing Board to put these guardrails on there. And finally, even down to the social level,

kids in school, parents at Elk Grove Unified are planning a walkout and a protest over LGBTQ Plus clubs started in the schools. This club was started by a third grade teacher, allegedly, for those students. It was hidden from the parents until they found out about it. I'm not very happy. So this is going on at every level of society, including science, medicine, governance. Very explosive moment we're in right now.

Yeah. You know, when you think about the sports, I saw a video online that just showed this runner that I might, the video says they were transgender. I mean, just absolutely, you know, leaving everyone in the world. behind. We've, of course, the swimmer. We've all been watching. It's just, I think in so many ways we've reached the place of absurd. There's equality and understanding, but there's just fairness in sports. And it's amazing to see a 20 to zero vote. I guess there's hope, right? I mean, as we're all sitting here scratching our heads, that slowly but surely as the pendulum has

hit its peak, maybe it's coming back around to some reason. and obviously so many shows like ours and so many have been discussing this. And under threat, right? We get attacks. They write articles about how we have prejudices and things like that simply from saying, you know what, can we have a conversation here? It's so important. Jeffrey, really important conversations this week.

Super thought-provoking, lots of work to be done. But once again, you really nailed to the wall. Thank you for all the work you're doing. It's been fun, thanks. All right, great. I'll see you next week. Well, you know, we obviously get to keep the lights on here because we're not owned by the pharmaceutical industry that makes gender blocking drugs. We also aren't funded by the doctors and nurses that perform gender surgeries.

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Okay. You know, I was behind the scenes. I was, you know, working as a producer on the CBS talks to the doctors before I got involved with the documentary Vaxed. And then the success of that ended up throwing me into the limelight where I was in front. front of the cameras really for the first time, at least since I was a kid and doing some acting as a kid. And then one day someone, you know, I was on someone else's podcast in Hollywood. And the owner of the podcast studio walked up to me and said, you know what? You should do your own podcast, Dell.

I think it'd be great. He literally didn't let me out. He's like, oh, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Tony, you know, thank you for that recommendation. But he said, no, no, I want you to grab a slot. I'm going to make it really affordable for you. I'll handle most of the cost.

You should try this out. The highway is born that week. I pointed it at Thursday at 11 o'clock, and the rest, as they say, is history. It's wild the things that throw us in the limelight and change our lives forever. Usually when I talk to people, those life-changing moments happen because suddenly you just state, I've had enough, and I'm going to tell the truth. I'm going to tell the truth as I see it. I'm done playing games.

and though some doors do get closed, even bigger ones open up. That's the story of Shannon Joy. What threw her into the limelight was just a little incident at a school board hearing that a lot of people in the news want to talk about. Take a look at this. A local radio host is speaking out about an alleged incident. Let's get to issue two arrested for telling the truth. Governor DeSantis, I was arrested at a school board meeting for my mask slipping beneath my nose.

You show up at the meeting and you're there doing your part as a mom listening. And let's just show, we're going to show the first video where someone's irritated that the mask is not, they can see nostril, I guess. I don't, watch, watch and listen. Can I ask you guys my surprise, they're going to make a move for a recess for 15 minutes? Why? Because the people are still refusing to our masks, unfortunately. Well, it's nobody is.

We have places to be, Mary, okay, and other things to do. You can't just stop a meeting. Can I get a second to that question? This is unbelievable. This is not leadership. You asked us to be respectful of you, and you can't respect the taxpayers and citizens. You can't take it to something else.

Mary Colonel writes emails. This is silly. You've kind of prevented it by being a grown-up and doing what you're supposed to do. I've got my mask on you. 95 degrees out. When they called the recess, I got this sinking feeling that they were going to arrest. They wanted to make an example out of me so that other parents would never stand up and speak out.

On that day, I was arrested and I was charged with trespass. Today, we are going into court and I will either be arranged. If so, I will plead not guilty or the case. will be thrown out. And I think either way, coming out of this courtroom will be a win, because we will continue to fight for the voices of parents. It's gone. It's gone. Thank you so much in the DA's office. Thank you. Thank you.

To just meet this man with parents. They've been with free speech. This has been happening all over the country, and I hope that this serves as a signal to school boards who seek to bully parents in the future and suppress their right to free speech on behalf of their children. So guys, thank you. Thank you so much. Obviously, one of our favorite things to do on the High War is celebrate those people

that step up into truth, standing for medical freedom, no matter what. It's my honor and pleasure to be joined right now by podcast sensation, Shannon Joy. Thank you so much, Del. I'm so glad to be here. It's really good to have you here. And I remember when all this was breaking in the news. But just to sort of give me a recap, what was the, I mean, there was, There's a lot of school board hearings that have happened, but what was this one specifically about?

Well, we had been advocating and activating in New York for 12 months. As you know, New York was one of the worst lockdown states in the world. And so it was a major effort, an enormous amount of community organization and work to get the schools open even part-time. And so when we got them open part-time, it was another heavy level. to get them open five days full day. And so that took the building of organizations across Monroe County, which was the county that I lived in and in my own local school district. So we had built email lists of over 1,000 parents.

We were bringing 50 to 100 parents to school board meetings every week. And the last step was to get those masks off the children's faces. So you had them in school at this point. Obviously, everyone's on a first. name basis. Mary, come on. Don't be a term. We all know each other. Right. And that's what's so weird about these is that it's actually just another parent, right? It's gotten on the school board and they're just asserting this authority. I know you just watched our previous segments, you know, in Scotland, but it's really not that much better here. If you can sit in a school board meeting, talk about

masks, and then some parent can just say, call the police. I want them arrested. We actually have the footage that you shot while you're being arrested. take a look at this. We all came here to hear public comment. The school board staffed the meeting. They limited it to 10 individuals, and they stacked it with pro-mask individuals. So they kicked out all of us who were anti-mask. And here come the cops.

And so I'm just going to ask, hi, hi, how are you? My name is Shannon. Nice to meet you. Thank you for coming out. I know you don't want to be here today. So there are about 20 pro-maskers here who are applauding. the cops here who are now going to, I suppose, arrest us for. Okay.

So they have their hands on me now. And I guess this is the way it is now. I can't believe this is happening. Guys, these are the officers. Okay. Monroe County Sheriff's and I can't believe this is happening. I really, they're good, oh now. They're going to, go ahead.

They've seized my phone. They've seized my phone. I can't. So where's my crime? What is my crime? Unbelievable. Unbelievable. There's a lot about that that's amazing. And I don't think, you know, I've done some reporting. It's actually hard to sort of stand up and go in. I know people think I do that all the time. But, you know, it's very rare that I would sort of stand, confront police, certainly. But what I think makes it really unique is you're surrounded by all of these peers, people you know, parents that are applauding you.

arrested as you're being dragged out. I mean, it's those things that, I mean, I'm sorry. I know we get in trouble when we do it, but it just, I reflect on Nazi Germany, right? I reflect on being turned in by our neighbors for what? For a product that you and I knew then, no, now, all science backs us up. Yeah. Doesn't even do the job that it said to do this. It was just straight up a compliance test. Yeah. What did it feel like in that moment, though? Was it, was there, what inspired you? Did you go there thinking this was going to happen? Like, how do you prepare to stand your ground in that moment the way you did?

It's interesting you asked that question because the meeting before that, right? Like, where did I find that in me to confront law enforcement? The meeting before that one, there was a bus driver that spoke up. And we were bringing, as I mentioned to you, 50 to 100 people to every meeting, we were gaining a lot of ground. And it was in the summer. The school bus driver stood up and spoke for about five minutes, weeping to the school board and to the entire community. And it was online as well and said, you know, talked about a story of a young five-year-old girl on a hot summer day driving home on the bus and wearing her mask. and this little girl was not feeling well, and it was hot, and she vomited in her mask on the bus.

And the bus driver told her, you can take your mask off, you can take your mask off. And that little five-year-old girl was so terrified to take her mask off that she sat for 20 minutes on that bus in a mask full of vomit before she would take it off. And that was the meeting before the meeting that I was arrested at. we were that I mean there was not a dry eye in that room they the board knew that what they were doing to the children was wrong they knew that it was harming children and I think that's why they laid that trap for me at that time that's why they didn't want any more public comment they wanted to make a mockery of what we were doing and they wanted to teach other parents that lesson if you stand up and speak out this is what we're going to do to you And so when I decided to FaceTime live my arrest, I was taking back that power. I know they wanted to tell that story.

They had news out there ready to go to tell the story of my embarrassment and being arrested and handcuffed. And I decided in that moment, if this is going to happen, I'm going to take back this power for parents. And I'm going to tell the story in my way. And that's why I did the FaceTime live. And but it was for the kids. It's always been for the kids. My kids too. How many people were in support?

I mean, somebody else, I've obviously started finding a camera when they took yours away. So how many people were there sort of in that sort of support group? So it was slightly misleading because the camera that picked up the applause was right by a group of people who were brought to that meeting for the express purpose of hackling. And they had been regulars at the meetings before. The majority of the room was utterly silent and appalled. There were some loud mouths that were brought in, right? That were rabid pro-maskers and pro-luckdowners and pro-vaxers, and we know all of those people. And that, you know, that was their role.

And so, unfortunately, in the video, it sounds like the whole room was clapping, but it was not like that at all. In fact, when people stood up after and comment, people were very, very concerned about what had happened. And ultimately, as you can see, I was vindicated. parents were vindicated. The court case was thrown out. And, you know, it was what, it was one step in the right direction. But New York State is the belly of the beast for a lot of these things. So let's get in that a little bit because, I mean, I think one of the things people think, well, you stood up. You had that moment. It's, it's sort of launched you into, you know, probably a new career that you hadn't seen coming. Lots of people tuning into, you know, your

perspective. But what's it like? You still have children in school, right? You still have to go back to school board meetings. Oh, yeah. You're still standing side by side with the people that had you arrested, those that were clapping while you were arrested. What are those relationships like now? How do you handle those people now when you run into them? And is anyone apologizing? So I've never received an apology. The judge did throw the case out. So that was vindication. It's really interesting. I mean, it goes to show how evil and wrong the COVID-era lockdowns and policies were and how it divided families, it divided communities, it divided, you know, friends. And, you know, that's what happened in our community. It was the stand that I was taking. Let me tell you

you, I mean, I raged against lockdowns from the very beginning. I had a platform. I was on AM talk radio at the time. So I was well known in my community. And everything about it, just my spirit just raged against it because I knew that this was wrong, right? And, you know, what's so interesting is that my kids are still in the same school district. They have amazing teachers in the school district. I'll have centuries come up to me or teachers when I call into the school in the administration, Shannon, we've got your back. We're so thankful for the things that you've done. The administrators are bad, you know, they put these policies in place and they did so recklessly when they didn't have to. But I even see the superintendent, you know, at games, and I'm like,

hey, Brad, how are, you know? And the kids, the kids are resilient. My kids were in high school. They mortified when it happened, but they have become resilient as a result of this. And I said to them the day after, I'm like, sorry, mommy got arrested at the school board. I'm like, I promise one day you'll laugh at this. We'll laugh about this. And today we laugh about it all the time. So I want this, you know, part of me does this because I want other parents to see you can stand up at school board meetings.

And yeah, there are consequences. You might lose some friendships. you might get some funny looks. You might even be arrested at a school board meeting, but you'll be okay. And if parents did this and if citizens in the U.S. did this all over the country from the local level

when bad things are happening, when our federal government or the World Health Organization or any big governing body comes in and tries to do things that our spirit rages against or our constitution, the founding of our country, it is our job to stand up and to speak out. and to try to stop that in our community. And if even 10% of the communities did that,

this country would turn around. I fully believe that. I totally agree with you. And I think that I say a lot of times when I'm out on speaking live, people will come up. I'm praying for you. Thank you for your sacrifice. And as though I'm on some sort of pedestal.

And I just say, will you please take me off the pedestal and just realize I'm standing with you and I need you to do the same thing? Everyone needs to speak out. You know, if you're just thinking, wow, go get them, Dell. like, what am I going to do? Yeah.

Right? What am I going to do by myself? I said before, if I'm the only one standing on this stage, then nothing is going to change. We've got to start building a body like, you know, of humanity, especially in this country, especially in the United States of America that's founded on this principle of being able to speak freely and the ability to, I mean, look at how attached our founding father's word to those things. You need to be able to say whatever you think about the government. You need to be all assembled and have those.

statements and have those conversations with each other freely without being shut down. You need to have a press that can say whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and distribute that information wrong or right to whoever wants to read it. I mean, this is literally the very first amendment of the United States of America, right? Really basic stuff. Yeah. And yet, I would say almost every topic we've covered here today shows that that very way of life is completely under assault. Now I know because of, you know, this moment, you know, you had a background in media. You two have found the internet. You've got a show. You're, you know, interviewing all sorts of experts and specialists. When you look at sort of the things that I was talking about today. When we look at,

we got, we're on, I would think, I mean, we just reported that we're about to, you know, go ahead and push NATO into Ukraine, which has been known as the trigger for potential third war since like I was a kid, Third World War. We got that on the precipice. We have this transgender issue that is happening in schools. It looks like that. Maybe shifting and some awareness coming around. This AI thing, FISA courts, censorship, the ability to, you know, to break down our door and arrest us. Of those things, you know, as a mother, as a parent, is there one that sort of stands out as the probably most existential threat? I know I was pretty heavy on AI. I felt like Everything I'm doing, what difference does medical freedom make if computers are now the authorities of the world that I live in?

But what do you think stands out? I think AI is obviously concerning. The threat of World War III and nuclear war is concerning. The collapse of our economy is concerning. Medical freedom, the idea that we still haven't even had a reckoning regarding what happened in 2020 or 2021. It's the ultimate gaslight that we're in an election year and both major political parties won't even touch it, which is, you know, insult upon injury. So I think all of it together. I mean, that's so fascinating because you're right.

We haven't had a reckoning. No. We haven't had a like come to Jesus moment. Can we all admit wrong or right what happened here? We were told we needed to lock down. Now we were told that the virus, I mean, the biggest one. to me, the virus only had a death rate of 0.35%, which puts

it right smack in a, you know, a bad flu season. So can we all just at least, at the very least, say this was a massive overreaction. Yes, elderly took that number in much higher numbers. And maybe we could have handled that better. But then your top liberals and

states across America like Cuomo literally made it illegal to protect, you know, retirement communities where he forced people that were sick to be allowed into those communities. So that didn't. We're like, where is, where is this reckoning? And how are we going to reunite our communities under these circumstances? Well, I think, you know, what I'm really advocating for my audience, my mission over the next

seven months, I see the medical freedom community so that you are a part of, right? Brownstone Institute and Children's Health Defense and I can. And all of these people who saw COVID for what it was early in the state. stood up against it. This is a large community. It's a very diverse community. Republican, Democrat, old, young, every socioeconomic genre you can imagine.

And political years always have a way of absolutely obliterating liberty movements. It's not just in the U.S. as well. In Canada, the Netherlands, in Japan, they just had 150,000 people turn out in opposition to the World Health Organization. amendments that are going to be voted on in May, you have rolling protests throughout Europe in the Netherlands. And so there is enough of humanity awake right now, but we have to push through this election season here in the U.S.

and not allow ourselves to be distracted by the circus side show that is going to happen. And I tell my audience, listen, on November 5th, vote for who you vote your conscience. But within the medical freedom community, we have to. to keep the movement alive, regardless of what happens in November. Because it's the bottom-up organization, it's the grassroots organization and the local organization that I think will be the contributing factor to changing things.

The politics always follows the culture. And we are right at the precipice of the next new cultural, I think, revolution. And I hope that it's for liberty, but we're fighting it right now. You know, we're fighting that battle right now. And so my mission is to keep this medical freedom community together as much as I can or as much as we can and then grow it. Because it's the medical freedom movement is the liberty movement worldwide globally.

It's the difference between being slaves in the 21st century. And we can talk about all the things that you just mentioned, right? The AI, the transhumanism, the transgenderism, global war. the erasure of our borders, our language, and our culture, the erasure of national sovereignty, individual sovereignty. All of that is on the table right now. And so we need to understand that the power is from the bottom up. People can exercise their power in their own communities. Yeah. And still vote, because voting is important. You put that in a way that I hadn't really thought about, because I hadn't thought about

how you would think politics or a political year would be good for movements, but you're right, it really in many ways tends to destroy a movement. And I suppose thinking out loud, part of that is we're united around. We all see what the problem is. Like we'll stand in March, those of us that are getting it. I don't want to be locked down. I want to be, you know, but then when it comes to the moment where we have to now agree on a solution, that's, right? All bets are off. Right. All bets are off. Like, how do we get out of this? We can all recognize the problem. That's easy. Yeah, let's stop it. Let's stop it. Anyone want to take a crack at, you know, how? Yeah. How about, you know, I'll run for blah, blah, blah.

Right. Do you know what he's done? Do you know what he said about? I mean, then, and just we're off and politics gets ugly. And then slowly we're arguing over the person, the solution and the whole thing versus staying focused on what really matters. How, let's, because you're, you're talking about medical free. freedom. These other topics, like the high wire, we're starting to really diversify. People like, you know, where is it going? We are starting to talk about Putin and a world war. And we thought about it. Like, how do we talk about is that medical freedom? Is that all that the highway represents? And we sort of went to our mission statement, you know, dedicated to eradicating man-made disease. Well, certainly nuclear fallout would have, you know, set of diseases that we wouldn't want to deal with. But how are you, how do you think the medical freedom movement is

connecting these dots? You keep using this word liberty. Is it the heart of the liberty movement, or was it the thing that really gave the liberty movement something to focus on? You know, how do you see that? I became aware of the medical freedom movement about four years prior to 2020. So on my show, I was using your work and the work that you, I mean, so we've been, I've been reporting on this and in all of, in the vaccine genre, I believe that my kids were vaccine injured. That's how most parents get into this discussion, right? So I think that the, that movement is based on, I mean, the ultimate expression of liberty is bodily body sovereignty, right? Like, if the government can force you to be injected against your will,

caress you to be injected against your will, or undergo any medical intervention against your will, or quarantine you against your will, then everything else is off the table. It's over. Right. Right. Who cares about the border or taxation or any of the social economic issues that we talk about, we argue about in politics. So that's been on the table.

I mean, we know back into the 19, you know, late 80s and 90s, that pharma has been expanding their power, capturing federal government and the agencies. And so I think that this is just metastasized over the past 40 years. And we're now at the crescendo. And COVID was the moment when we actually, the mask came off and we actually witnessed,

especially people who lived in New York or California or Italy, witnessed the full-scale martial law power of the federal government. or the global government to propagandize, indoctrinate, lock us down, arrest us at school board meetings. And so I think that had the effect of waking people up who were close to that, but they weren't where we were, right? And so, yes, the liberty movement is all wrapped in your right, your right,

your God-given natural right to think what you want to think and say what you want to say and live the life the way that you want to live it. It's all wrapped up in our Constitution. I mean, it's all right there. And in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence, which if you were to look at the declaration

compared to what the government is doing to us right now, we should be revolting. We should be doing what Netherlands is doing. But in the U.S., the resistance is tempered because we're so divided politically, right? So we're so afraid of the other team that we continue to elect these leaders that are actually on the same team

both political parties and then we just, it's a power sharing arrangement that we go back and forth every four years and we shuffle off to the voting booth and we re-elect the same people. They've amassed way too much power. The vision of this country was a bottom-up country. It was governed by the people. That's Rotary, that's local government, that's your municipality and the states.

So I see the answer, there are no answers, right? Because you fight over that, but would probably be a devolution of power from the central government and really just going back to the states. And it's going to be messy and, you know, to your point with like the packages that you guys ran on the AI, it's absolutely terrifying. And the push for the transgenderism. I think that the consumer has an enormous amount of power. And as we begin to have conversations about AI,

the consumer is going to decide whether they want that or not, right? Humans have an amazing ability to survive. Yeah. Advances in technology. And so, you know, you just look at the uptake of vaccines right now. COVID-19 vaccines, single digits. Yeah. It was never supposed to be like that.

We were all supposed to be getting jabs. Yet somehow, through all the propaganda, the majority, like the vast majority of the American people were like, we don't want those anymore. And they're not taking them. You look at the boycotts of Bud Light and Target over that issue of transgenderism. Very quiet but powerful consumer decision is happening there. And people aren't talking about it because they don't want to be called a bigot or a homophobic or a transphobe. but with their dollars and with their feet, they're walking. So I think the American population is ready,

but we've got to erase the very divisive two-party political labels and make it about constitution, liberty, freedom, and all of those founding principles that I tell you most Americans can agree on. I've said it before. When I look at the United States of America, I really question if we're being governed from, within side of our borders now. I mean, when I, you know, I remember I played a video early on with the build back better statement, you know, and the great reset. And I remember my team was

putting it all together. And I knew all these people were saying build back better. But when I saw the video at the end that Joe Biden said it, like while campaigning, and it came from Klaus Schwab in a globalist international consortium, not from a slogan about being American. that was a moment I felt like we turned a corner and now we have got to be very conscious of whether or not the leaders that we're looking and I'm not trying to be political here I'm not telling anyone who to vote for

but all of them we should look at all of them are they globalists? Do they believe that there should be no borders? Do they believe that anyone should just be able to rush across our border as we're seeing right now and amazing, amazing that you can watch the same administrations that are fighting to, you know, have FISA, you know,

court ability to just search my home at any moment, to be able to track my cell phones, which is part of what we know they're doing, all say to protect against terrorism or domestic terrorists, while people from the Middle East, Africa, you know, Europe, China, are just flooding across our border without being tracked at all. Yep. Right?

That hypocrisy or flooding across our border without being vaccinated at all for what it's worth. I rarely get in that conversation because I'm never going to fight to vaccinate, you know, immigrants because it would be absurdly against what I believe in. But the fact that my kids are being forced that they want to go to school, but you can just walk in this country from another country. We're not even going to look at it. That level of hypocrisy. But my question is, is it just seems so obvious now, right? It seems we're so obviously off track. Is it happening just to make us fight each other?

I mean, are these topics, transgender, are they just, you know, designed to, like, jab me? And then I want, and this is really a question I want to ask you in media, is that are we doing exactly what they want us to do? By showing people these things and getting you excensed and getting you hyper upset, afraid, are we just playing into the goal, which is get everyone afraid, get everyone confused, running around with their hair on fire, scared of everything around them. And then we can just dictate what we want. That's something I wrestle with all the time on my show, right? Because there are existential problems that we are dealing with today. And they are very scary things, right? And so, you know, I decided during COVID that I just wasn't going to be afraid.

It was just basically a decision. Right. And that my platform and my show, I was never going to leave my audience afraid, ever. Yeah. So you want to address these problems and you can't sugarcoat them. You have to slap them on the kitchen table, address them, but never be afraid of them. And so that's why I always try to move people towards, I've always been looking for solutions, right? And I was the same as everyone else.

I was in my own political camp for the majority of my life. And then I started paying attention. what I realize is that you can't put all of your hope into that political basket. Because from my perspective, I don't even know that either of the two-party political candidates have agency or if they are being told what to do. Right. And so I think that D.C. has become so corrupted that we really have to do business with the fact. I mean, you know, I think it's becoming obvious to a lot of people. that the decisions are made outside.

Well, let me just put up, you know, as said you beforehand, we're a nonprofit. I'm not choosing sides on anything. But, you know, when I look at Donald Trump, right, to me, I think we could all agree is probably the most radical sort of outsider that's taken office. And, you know, when you watch someone like that, to your point, just the things that just trigger in me, when we watch him go in and say he doesn't care about any of the system, clearly it's kind of mayhem in there but people there are people that love that people that are terrified of it but whatever the case like i think about things like had he like really focused on

china and the wuhan lab which he was suspicious of why didn't he really just nail that to the wall it seemed like i think it came from there i'm going to put my own people i'm not buying into this we're going to go ahead and investigate that why didn't that happen it would have played so well into his messaging call it nationalist call it racist or whatever you want to call it, that was right there for the, like, the picking. And he probably would have been right had he gotten it in there because now we know actually does look like it did sort of come out of that Wuhan lab. Or, you know, when I look at hydroxychloroquine and we looked at he used it, why did he let go

of fighting for it, you know, things like that, when you could have really decimated Fauci with that. Or simply, he said, when I get in office, I'm going to release the JFK files, which is something that, I mean, every one of us wants to know. Yep. Right? Like, what is it that you're possibly hiding? He goes in and then it doesn't do it. And I'm not meaning this as any mark.

I'm saying, I sent a guy that looked to me to not care what the system thinks and to your point goes in and it doesn't look like much can be done there. Why are those things not happening? And look, Donald, if you're out there, come and sit. this seat. I really would love to have this conversation and know why that, why you had didn't sort of follow through in the places that it seemed like what. But we just imagine is this thing is just such a behemoth. It's unstoppable. There's nothing you can do. That is the tragedy of this election season. And that's my second goal with my show is to shove this issue of 2020 and 2021 into the political arena. I want to hear from Donald Trump. Right. As to why he did those things.

And I think as the American people and as the electorate, we are deserve to have those questions answered along with Biden. Yeah. Right? So what we have here is we have the worst atrocities committed against American citizens in the history of the founding of the country. Well, let me throw in there just because I think, I mean, just to be fair, Robert Kennedy Jr., Biden, Donald Trump are up there. Jill Stein, if you can get enough votes, I mean, just want to be clear, not choosing sides. Yeah. We should have real debates.

We should see these people being asked the whole. Hard questions. Why did you make the decision if you were there or what decision would you make in the future? And instead, we seem to be avoiding that entire debating system right now. Not on my watch. I mean, I'm doing the best I can on my show every day to like shove it back into the fore. But there were only, there are only two candidates that had the power of the executive office during the atrocities of COVID-19. Trump initiated it. initiated operation warp speed, put Fauci in control of everything. In fact, even in 2018 and 19 laid the groundwork by lifting the ban on gain of function research that was put place by the Obama administration. He also formed SISA via executive order. That was in 2019, I believe, during the Trump.

I could be wrong in that. But it was prior to COVID, right? So Trump initiated everything, and then Biden continued. and doubled and tripled down. So this is the best example that people have of a uniparty system. I mean, I always think about... They're in concert. Biden mandated a Donald Trump product.

Yes. Like, I mean, just to say, are we really that far apart? And went on the record. You are not going to be able to go into your job unless you take the product of the man I said is evil, had his cronies make for him in rush speed. Now you all have to get it. So you are. It's like what is going on?

Well, there are liberals on the record saying when Trump was initiating Operation Warps, I will never take any vaccine that ever came, you know, and then fast forward once the Democrat president is in there. So that's like the heart of what I'm saying about the political divide. Like we are, George Washington warned us of factions, right? Yeah. That when you're so afraid of the other faction that you let evil metastasize and corruption metastasize, eventually making a lesser of two evils choice ends in just plain evil. You descend to a point where it's just plain evil.

So I'm so glad there are more voices on the political stage this year. I think that's a great thing. And with my audience, I am giving that. I'm, you know, too often in political contests, we hammer our guy and we end friendships and relationships and, even working professional relationships because you're not going to vote for the guy that I want to vote for. I just want to take everyone to step back and say, hey, vote for who you want to go vote for, vote your conscience. Yeah. And maybe there's something good they can do from the executive office. Yeah. I mean, Washington, D.C. is pretty corrupt. Yeah. Right? But they need us from the bottom up.

There's so much we can do in the next seven months. We have the World Health Organization that is going to be voting on these nasty, nasty amendments, securing more power for themselves. the African nations are rising up. I had two great interviews with the African freedom fighters, Dr. Sanjada Chetty, was on my show two days ago, and I had Dr. Herman Edeling, both from South Africa. And they are mobilizing to smash down these amendments. And if the United States can't do it, we might have to depend on our brothers and sisters in the Great Continent of Africa to do it, like they did in 2020.

Best health record really when it comes from COVID. They didn't get the vaccine, wasn't able to make that happen. Decades of dealing with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and Gavi and, you know, so. They learned. This is not their first rodeo. They know what's going on. So there's just so much we can do, right? So don't get, you know, wrapped up because, again, you know, if your guy doesn't win,

they're going to be depressed for a month. And, you know, even if he does win, is he really going to do what he says he's going to do, you know, go in and vote. Put politics in its place. elections in their place. And then let's re-imagined and reinvent civics, right? Like getting involved in our own communities. The Liberty Movement, when you say that, how big do you think it is?

I think it's big enough. Big enough. It's big enough. There are enough of us. It was precarious for a while. I think the 25% of Americans who refer, refused COVID-19 vaccines despite the coercion, the propaganda, and everything. It was billions of dollars. Billions of dollars of marketing propaganda just dumps on the American people.

Yeah. I always say it's about 30%, but we could, you know, but maybe 30, yeah. But somewhere in the 25 to 30% of America. I say the same thing, absolutely rejected. Yep. And look, that's, that has to be a passionate group of people. Oh yeah. Because we were under a assault. We're being told you are like the end of the world. You're evil. You're dark. You're killing your neighbors. So 30% took that for two, three straight years, that assault on every screen they walked by, every newspaper they read. And they said, yeah, uh, still no. Yep. That's a pretty passionate group of people. Oh yeah. Liberal and conservative. Right. Of course.

Conservative media was hammering it. Right. So that was uniquely American. Yeah. That didn't happen anywhere else in the world. Agreed. It was uniquely American. So that core group, if we can keep it together through this election season, right, regardless of what happens, that's going to be the new cultural liberty movement that I hope and pray is going to lead the rest of the world out of this darkness. And then we'll figure out how to face all of the other things that are coming, the financial,

the global conflicts. but we can do it. I'm ever an optimist. So am I. So am I. I'm still trying to think of how to end this show because he's like, I always want to end on a positive note. Yeah. With, you know, the AI and things like that are happening. But I agree with you. It's something I'm looking at a lot right now is how big is that movement. I always think about Ed Griffin, you know, who wrote Creature of Jekyll Island,

has this amazing interview years ago with the KGB defector that totally predicts the exact world that we find ourselves in where we're going to infiltrate you. We're going to infiltrate you universities. And we're just going to create mayhem. We're going to create cultural issues that will have you all fighting with each other. And in the end, we're just more patient than you are. We're going to take over America. We're going to win.

And I think about those moments. But he would always say right about 13% of a very passionate portion of society has made every change, national change, every sort of system change that we've ever seen. And I have to believe that in that 25, 30%, we are really strong in there. There is definitely, you know, 13% in there. I think it could be that 25 or even 30. And then we see that only, as you've pointed out, 90% of America aren't even going near the booster shots,

which means they've at least the sort of the, I'm trying to think of the best way to say this, the herd, if you will. is even moving in our direction. And to me, that's a huge sign, right? How powerful is that smaller group? Well, how much of that middle that just don't ever stand up for themselves or fight? They're the tug of war between these two sides.

What direction are they heading? It looks to me like they're all moving our direction, whether they've admitted that or not, and how we message to them or not. But I think that I agree with you. It's a really interesting revelation. To follow the work that you're doing, What's your podcast?

Where do we find it? Yeah, so I broadcast daily at 11 a.m. Eastern Time on Rumble, Twitter, Spreely, and every podcast platform. Okay. So 11 a.m. to about 1230, if I'm disciplined, if I talk too much, I might go two hours. I know how that happened. I've been known to do that. But yeah, just go to my website, the shannonjoy.com, and you guys can find everything that I do. But thank you so much.

I'm a real fan of your work. I mean, you guys, when I was doing my deep dive and trying to figure out this whole vaccine issue, it was children's health defense and you, the high wire, ICAN, Aaron Siri, Bobby Kennedy. It was a whole new world for me. And you guys, I've been watching you for many, many, many years. Consistency is unbelievable. And I'm really honored to be here. That's really great having you.

And it's always, I'm always so excited to see more and more voices. You know, people like, you have a lot more competition, Dallas. Like, that was always the goal. That's right. You like, you know, when we started watching Tucker Carlson and some other reporters out there, you know, podcasters, Joe Rogan. You're the OG, though. You're the OG, you're the OG. You're like in this space, you're like I kind of, we laid our acclaim, but we're happy to have all those other people out there.

So, well, thank you for coming in. Thank you for the time. And thank you for this really, I don't usually, you know, talk to other reporters. And I think that what people don't understand when they're watching a show is there's a lot of thinking on how should I present this. I don't want everyone fighting. I don't. I'm trying to create, you know, how do we reach out to new hearts and minds? I can't insult them just because they maybe made a different choice.

And, you know, how do we stay unified? And especially coming to this political season, you raise really good points. I would say what I think about right now is we should probably say as Americans, how about a moratorium on yelling at each other? go. How about six months? We can all start yelling. How about the last month, yell and scream all you want and try and force me to vote for who you think I should vote for? But up until then, why don't we all sit and have some really honest conversations and recognize that nobody we have voted for over the last several decades ever did much of anything they promised they were going to do and let us down in a major way and have made it almost impossible to say that there are anything

but some sort of duopoly? That's right. And why don't we just honestly talk about how we would ever change that and who we think, but put it all on the table and recognize that we're in this together and America's really needed. I've had so many people that come in here now that are guests from other countries and they just say, Del, we are really terrified because America, we need you. You know, just recently a Canadian lawyer came in and said, we're looking to you to like lead the world and you are having a tug of war with a constitution that's the last one of kind and you're about to tear it apart. Yeah.

So we really have to do something about that. Yes, we do. And it's a blessing to be able to do it, though, right? We live in extraordinary times. Absolutely. Shannon. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work. Okay, thank you.

All right. Stay in touch. All right. Well, last week we reported on the fact that a reporter that had come from NPR had sort of defected or at least come clean on the fact that he did not think it was honest reporting. This matters because. ultimately it gets public funding, it gets government funding, it should be unbiased. It should not have a political agenda.

When we find out there's no un-conservative that's allowed in there, then that really is a problem. That story blew up. And part of it is really bringing focus to, well, who is the head of NPR now? And I read this tweet. I think it's important in the tweet that came along with a video. All right, play this video. We took a very active approach to disinformation and misinformation coming into a lot, not just the last election, but also looking at how we supported our editing community in an unprecedented moment where we were not only dealing with the global pandemic, we were dealing with a novel virus, which by definition means we knew nothing about it in real time.

And we're trying to figure it out as the pandemic went along. And so we really set up in response to both the pandemic, but also in response to the upcoming U.S. US election and as a model for future elections outside of the US, including a number that are happening this year, we just obviously went through yet another Israeli election. The model was around how do we create sort of a clearinghouse of information that brings the institution of the Wikimedia Foundation with the editing community in order to be able to identify threats early on through conversations with government, of course, as well as other platform operators to understand sort of what the landscape looks like. There's a new head of the NPR.

What she's talking about there and bragging about is the fact that she was formally watching over Wikipedia throughout COVID. And she talks about and what the tweet was really about is the fact that this is the person that went to the government, was really happy to censor based on what the government saying was information or misinformation on Wikipedia and censored all of those. and, you know, allowed for only certain ways for people to be described. For instance, under her watch, this is what my Wikipedia looks like if you read it. All right, Dull Matthew, Big Tree is an American television film producer is the CEO of the Anti-Vacconciliation Group and Formed Consent Action Network. I'll point out that you won't find us describing ourselves as anti-vaccination anywhere.

He produced the film Vax from cover-up to catastrophe based on the discredited opinions of Andrew Wakefield and alleges an unsubstantiated connection between vaccines and autism. His frequent public speaking engagements and an influx of funding in 2017 have made Bigtree, who has no medical training, one of the most prominent voices in the anti-vaccination movement. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Big Tree propagated conspiracy theories about the origin of the virus, being as bold as saying it looks like it came from the Wuhan lab. Amazing that they still have that on Wikipedia and urges audience to acknowledge the audience to ignore the advice of health authorities that were putting you on ventilators,

forcing you to take remdesivir with a death rate of nine out of 10. I added that little part myself, and even when I try to add it to Wikipedia, it just gets taken away. So that's now the head of NPR. Is that an unbiased person? It's someone that will work not just with the government, but with the specific government that's in place, and then silence all of their critics.

I've talked ad nauseum about that. Uri put out his, I guess, resignation letter online. It reads this is Yerley Berlin. I'm resigning from NPR, a great American institution where I've worked for 25 years. I don't support calls to defund NPR. I respect the integrity of my colleagues and wish for NPR to thrive and do important journalism. But I cannot work in a newsroom where I am disparaged by a new CEO whose divisive views confirmed the very problems at NPR I cite in my free press essay.

He may not call for defunding, but I think I will. I think that we should defund NPR, at least until they can prove that they can be unbiased, that they have multiple sides to perspective. And why don't we start with his point, which is why don't you go ahead and apologize for your reporting? And by the way, apologize as you left Wikipedia that I'm still considered a conspiracy theorists for talking about the fact that I believe this had a lab origin and not a natural one. I'm right. I have been right. Why does my Wikipedia say otherwise? These are the changes that we've

got to demand and we should vote with our dollars and you should let every politician you know that while your dollars are taxpayer money are funding these people to have a job, I don't want my money going to a network that cannot be unbiased, that cannot deliver the truth and refuses to apologize when it's gotten the story wrong. It's very important that we get involved. If that's all you did this week, if you just went out and said, you know what, I'm going to call my representatives and say, defund NPR, you did something today. You did something that will lead to change like we're seeing in this transitioning of children conversation. We actually can make a difference. We do make a difference. We still live in a nation whether they like it or not

that has left us in control. While we still have some grasp of this leash, and maybe we're being dragged down the road by a really big dog, we have the leash. Don't let it go. Pull in, dig in, dig your heels in, stand up and take control of this situation now while we still have that power. And I want to say this, and I'm going to challenge all of you, because what Shannon Joy said is really true. Our movement, if you look at the movement we talk about medical freedom, has people that are liberals, independents, and Republicans. And we could sit here and argue with each other about who is to blame. But we're never going to get to an answer. We're never going to have a solution if that's what we do.

In fact, get outside of medical freedom and look at the border issue. Look at your gun rights. Look at, you know, the environmental situations, the toxic water, $260. toxic chemicals are in the umbilical cord of women that are giving birth today in America. Autoimmune disease and neurological disorders is now well above 54%. We think it may be right around 60% of America is suffering from chronic illness. So why don't we stop vilifying each other? Why don't we have a moratorium?

For the next at least six months, why don't we just talk about the issues, talk about what we think, who is the person and bring our evidence to the table of why we think that they are going to deal with our issues. But let's not get incensed. Let's not yell. Let's not scream. Let's listen. Open up your ears. Show me what you got. Show me what Joe Biden has in the issues that I care about. Show me what Donald Trump has and what his track record is and the issues that I care about. Show me what Robert Kennedy Jr. has in the issues that I care about. Jill Stein and, and, you know, Cornell West and whoever else managed to find themselves on this ballot. The world is watching us right now.

They're watching the United States of America. And as we've heard from so many of our foreign guests, you're playing tug-a-war with the last hope for the world, the Constitution of the United States of America. if we cannot learn to get along in peace, if we cannot make this messy thing, this republic or democracy, whatever argument you want to have about that,

if we can't look at each other as brothers and sisters and say that we are free to love each other, we are free to disagree with each other, but is this freedom that we should be the most in love with, this power endowed to us by God. This is our moment to represent to the world, what discourse means, what communication means, what debate means, and why every citizen in the world should have the same freedom to take part in it as we do. If we scream, we yell, and we, you know,

demand the imprisonment of those that we disagree with, then we're the ones that ruined it. We're the ones that destroyed it. And certainly no single person can fix a war. that we started. Let's find peace with each other. Let's find communication. Let's represent right now what it means to be human. This is the high wire. This is about reason. It's about logic. It's about investigation. Thank you for being a part of it. Go out and show the world what it looks like. Be that light to the world. And I'll see you next week.