The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 372: BAD MEDICINE

Episode Date: May 18, 2024

First Major Lawsuit Against For COVID Vaccine Injury Filed; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on Astrazeneca Fallout, Whooping cough outbreak prompts re-evaluation of DTaP vaccine, and the fight over puberty blockers for children heats up; A Texas Whistleblower exposes unethical transitioning of children in Texas’ Largest Pediatric Hospital.Guests: Bri Dressen, Aaron Siri, Esq., Eithan Haim, M.D.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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All right, everyone, we ready? Yeah. Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are out there in the world. It's time for us all to step out under the high wire. Well, last week we, you know, sort of did a victory dance on the fact that the conversation around vaccines and safety and the COVID vaccines, obviously changed in New York Times article, Chris Cuomo, all of that. Well, just shortly after that show, one of our own, Aaron Sidney, the attorney for the informed consent action

network that's done all the brilliant work for us, went on to Chris Cuomo with Brianne Dresson, the head of React 19. She's bringing a brand new lawsuit against AstraZeneca. And this is how that went on Cuomo. 42-year-old teacher and mom from Utah, Briand Dresson, said she wanted to do her part for science when COVID broke out. That was the messaging. I often echoed it. It will help you not get sick.

It will help you not get other people sick. So she volunteered in 2020 to take part in British-based AstraZeneca's clinical trial for their vaccine. Remember, she's not just like the rest of us who just did what she was told to do. She did it voluntarily to make sure others could. Now she's suing the drug manufacturer. First lawsuit of its kind in the United States claiming she became permanently disabled after one shot of the vaccine.

Dresson's lawsuit says she developed a severe neurological condition called post-vaccine neuropathy. Her life went from being the picture of health to a shadow of her former self. I want to bring in Brianne right now and her lawyer, Aaron Siri, because I have a question for him. Is Brian at all compromised in her ability to go after AstraZeneca because she volunteered for a clinical trial as opposed to just being someone like me or you who got it when it was made available to the public and we were told to take it?

Now, I don't think that compromises her at all. I think she's subject to the same restrictions on bringing lawsuits for the most part that you, Chris or anybody else that was injured from a COVID vaccine. and that's the PEP Act. That's the federal government explicitly giving the vaccine manufacturers immunity for any injury that occurred from the COVID vaccine. And they didn't just do it, by the way, after the vaccine came out, they free gave the immunity. They gave that immunity to them before they even developed the vaccine and did so contractually as well as doing so by law.

Brianne, you look great. So explain to the audience. What are you actually dealing with? And how has life changed for you so much that you feel you need to litigate this? Well, you know, the easiest way to explain this is that it's an invisible illness. I mean, we all look fine, right? We're not in a wheelchair. You still have hair.

You know, we can still smile and communicate sometimes clearly. But the reality is, is I am in pain every second of every day. Unfortunately, I have a severe progressive neuropathy that will continue to progress until my life is done. It's something that is a very sharp, tingling, electrical sensation, and it courses through my body 24 hours a day, seven days a week. But in addition to that, I have the tenetist like Sean does. I have the food sensitivities. I'm completely dependent on other people. In my home, at the time, I had a six and an eight-year-old kid, and their lives, you know, our lives revolved around them.

Mom took care of everything for them. But now, unfortunately, everything revolves around mom. They have to figure out if mom can help them that day with their homework. If mom can make them breakfast, if mom's going to be able to get out of bed, is mom going to be able to take them to school? these are all very simple tasks that people take for granted. But when your health is robbed from you, you know, those things are now things that you have to prioritize from one day to the next depending on how your body is doing. When you reported this set of events to the company, what was the response? Silence.

It's that simple. It was silence. I thought that they were going to be there to help me. In my contract, they state it explicitly that they will be there to help me financially as well as medically. And they didn't either. It's as if they couldn't get away from me fast enough after I reported my injury. I'm nothing more than a number to them, to be totally honest. Brian, we are here for the duration, and I wish you the best with your family.

Council, we're always a callaway for any developments that you're. you believe are instructive of the process, okay? Thank you for that. And I can assure you, we've got 40 folks here at the firm who pretty much only do vaccine work. We've got, I think, the largest vaccine practice that in the world that doesn't represent pharmaceutical companies and we're not letting this go. Well, look, Brian, you went to the right place.

There's no question about that. Well, it's my honor to be joined now by Aaron Siri, who's also an attorney for our nonprofit, full disclosure in Breanne Dressen. Thank you both for joining us today. Thanks for having me. Yeah. You know, Breanne, let me just start with you to begin with because we've been following your story really from the beginning. You've been on the high wire several times.

You started React 19, which is one of the most powerful organizations, you know, strictly focused on COVID vaccine injury, which is just doing incredible work. But why this step? Why have you decided now to seek a lawsuit against? to AstraZeneca? Look, the reality is I didn't want to do this. We gave these guys every possible chance to make this right. From the beginning, I was literally calling them with tears running down my face, begging them for help, and I got nothing.

It's been an incredibly frustrating three and a half years, and my condition is not getting better and the drug company is going to do everything they can to not be held accountable in any way, shape, or form. And that's really why I've been incredibly blessed that I can and Aaron Siri have taken this case on and found the loopholes necessary, the pathway forward necessary, to be able to see this through to get these guys essentially to force them to do the right thing. It's unfortunate that they have to be forced to do what all of us see as common sense, you know. Yeah. Aaron, you know, we've discussed this many times the vaccine court system, the 1986 vaccine injury compensation program is a disaster. People spend, you know,

sometimes over a decade in that court system only to come up short. Lawyers don't want to go near it, it doesn't pay out. In this case, we're talking about a little bit of a different protection. This is the PEP Act. Is there, you know, for you as an attorney that deals with vaccine injury, and as Breeze said, is there a loophole? Is there something that sets either the PEP Act or Bree's particular story being that she was in the clinical trials and not just a regular person taking it after it had an emergency use authorization? What is it that is, is, in the Has you inspired to even think you have a chance on this case? Yeah, absolutely.

This case is different. You're right. Normally the vaccine manufacturers have immunity to various degrees under the 86 Act or the Prep Act. But here, when Brie participated in this aisle, she signed an agreement. And in that agreement, it had all kinds of promises that they were made to her with how they would pay for things. what they would do, how they would treat her. And so it's on that basis that makes this case unique. It really should be that anybody injured by a vaccine should be able to see the manufacturer,

you know, that we've talked about that a million times. It's a huge part of the work I do for, and our firm does for I can every single day, is if the pharmacy could be held accountable, they wouldn't engage in this conduct. It's precisely, precisely because they believe they, and they know for the most part, they can get away with misconduct in this arena with vaccines, not with drugs, not with medical devices in large part, not with other products, but with vaccines that they engage in this type of unbelievable behavior. And Brie is bearing the brunt of that. I think they're treating her in many ways the way they treat most folks who claim an injury from vaccines. They just feel they can ignore it.

But in this case, they can't. I mean, as you're pointing out, you know, most people go in to get their vaccines. They might sign some little dot, but they're not looking through pages and pages of a release and an agreement between the company. There's risks. We're going to be watching you, monitoring you. I'm assuming is a part of this entire process. And, you know, I think the world assumes that when you're in that process that you are being taken care of, that every complaint, concern, any rash, a headache, all of it is what they're supposed to be studying. and you're saying, Bree, that they absolutely ignore your, you know, complaints.

How soon after the vaccine did you start having symptoms? Within an hour. Within an hour. And the same alien sensations that started within an hour still plague me every minute of every day to this day. It's the first thing that greets me in the morning, and it's the last thing I feel before I nod off to sleep

with a whole bunch of meds to turn it off. Can I, I want to ask a little bit more of a, I suppose, a personal question, Brian, because you have been in this fight. You've stood with so many. You have held people as they've cried on your shoulder

that aren't being listened to. And at the heart of this, it's mainstream media that could have changed this immediately. We're going to talk about it all day on the show today. At any point, a journalist could have done what we were doing here at the high wire, which is saying, look, we're seeing stories of injury.

We see them admitting that they can't say whether it stops infection, not, all of these things. And it was people like Chris Cuomo literally shaming anybody that pointed out they thought that this vaccine was rushed under the market, that they didn't feel comfortable with the science around it. Some of them meet with a science background. So to watch someone that, you know, in Chris Cuomo that actually, I think is partially responsible for propagandizing this, process and not giving people like you a voice while it was happening. What was it like to sort of return into perhaps like a lion's den, if you will, to speak to Chris Cuomo. And by the way, I want to thank him for finally changing course. But was that difficult for you? Yeah, I definitely,

you know, it's a natural feeling to feel conflicted about that, right? You know, there's a long, pretty super charged radioactive history there with his commentary in the past. But like you just said, I mean, it's one of those things where he is now making very direct

and strong commitments to address this issue now. And because of that, we're going to take the gamble. We're going to take him for his word and we're going to see what he's made of. You know, he covered Sean Barkavage,

who was in the New York Times article for his injury. And now he's covered this case. And so hopefully this is just the beginning. But I will say with a word of caution, I can't tell you how many times I have heard these types of lofty promises from mainstream reporters, right? I'm not going to back away from this. You have an ally here.

And all it takes is a little bit of a little push from somewhere, you know, and then poof, they're gone. Yeah, I'm just waiting, yeah. But I'm hoping that Cuomo has that resolve to power through that. Well, I'm just waiting for the moment where mainstream media decides to call him an anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist Nutter for covering this story at all. You know, Breanne, one of the things that we were doing this work, you know, before COVID came along. And, you know, people can sort of become numbers you're looking. We were talking to parents and their children that were just being brushed aside.

These injuries aren't happening, you know, all of these things. And I remember Aaron and I, we were sitting. And when they started rushing this vaccine warped speed, and we saw this whole thing coming, I said, this is going to be a different story because now we are going to have adults. It won't be kids. It won't be a parent trying to monitor and say, look, I just saw some visible changes that you can't see. But I can see as a parent. they just got written off in court.

I said for the first time, we're going to have healthy adults that are now going to be taking these products. And when they have an injury, they will be able to say, I was fine yesterday. I am not fine today. I have that evidence. Watching your piece, I mean, you are clearly incredibly athletic, rock climbing, you know, skiing, mountain biking. It's just such a dramatic shift. I'm going to ask you a weird question. I mean, you're changing the world as we know it.

Do you feel that you're part of something much bigger, even though it's got to be so incredibly difficult? I would like to think that we're making a difference. That's the whole reason why I'm doing what I'm doing, right? I mean, there's nothing more that I want than to just be able to be healthy and be able to be a mom to my kids. but in lieu of that, I want to make sure that I am part of the solution and I will do that with every moment I can with my help in the condition that it is

to make sure that this doesn't happen to people again. I remember when I was very first sick, I was astonished at just how bad the corruption was and it took me months to finally accept that and grapple with how deep the corruption goes. And then what finally clicked with me was the realization that they had been doing this to kids for decades and just not even flinching about it. And when that reality set in, that's when I really understood just how corrupt the system is and how much of a fight and how much of an effort it's going to take to go against essentially Goliath to beat these guys. Well, you are really courageous, Brian. And I've said it before, you know, people that are suffering the types of, you know, injuries that you're going through to also spend your days. And I know they're long days. I see you in meetings behind the scenes, you know, working out, trying to figure out how to get medical systems for people being injured, speaking to people all around the country and around the world. Your efforts are tireless in a body that I'm sure. is very tired and I just it's really commendable and I want you to know you really are making a difference here and Aaron I mean we're in this moment now this is something that we predicted we'd be here now as an

attorney representing Brianne but last week you know I in many ways sort of danced around this stage with a victory lap that the conversation has finally changed it was very simple all we have ever been saying is vaccines injure some people vaccine injury is real. We need to recognize these people. We need to take care of these people and we need to study these people to figure out a way to have a program that doesn't, you know, consider that it's okay to have this accepted casualty of innocent people and never fix the product, never investigate it. Now you have Chris Cuomo to his credit, say, you know, demanding a 9-11 type commission to investigate. Deborah Birx mirrored that on his show. I mean, one of the heads of the

task force during the COVID pandemic. You have the New York Times, one of the biggest shills there ever was for the pharmaceutical industry, putting out an article, basically stating vaccine injury is real. A lot of people say, well, they're just cracking the door. Aaron, all we ever need was that door to crack this much. I mean, do you feel like this is that sort of sea change moment where this conversation will never be the same again? I think where I'm sitting today might help give an example of the sea change moment. I'm right now in the capital of New Hampshire in the middle of a five-hour testimony that I've been asked here to give about COVID-19 vaccines and broadens into vaccines in general before a committee that is composed from members of the

legislative house here from both sides. at the aisle. Wow. We're sitting and listening to the clinical trials, not just for COVID vaccines, but what they are for childhood vaccines, post-licensure state for COVID and all child of vaccines, and so forth. So absolutely. I mean, five years ago, you would have said, yeah, you'll be sitting and asked to testify

as an expert with regards to vaccines before members of the legislative body here in New Hampshire. And I've done it, as you know, in Arizona, and I've been invited to do it. And I've done in South Carolina, and I'll legislator across the country. You know, you and I might have had a good chuckle. But here we are, and it's incredible to watch these representatives, to see their eyes broaden as they get the evidence put right in front of them. The evidence that nobody will tell them, nobody will put in front of them. And, you know, I'm not, I'm certainly not Chris Cuomo's lawyer. And I won't defend anybody who, you know, who support, supported mandates.

But he was part of that, you know, majority of folks who had no. clue he just thought safe and effective anybody who says anything about a vaccine is crazy and and you know i don't you know the folks who i take issue with in that regard are folks who really should know better the scientists the folks who the medical professionals the vaccinologists they know better they knew they should have if they didn't um and you know and look brie went out and did the right thing as far as she knew she thought and she had no reason to think otherwise you know she went out and she did the right thing she wanted to help society And after she went and she did that, she turned back to the very same people who told her,

please come, help. You know, these things are safe and effective. Looking for help. I did the right thing. And there were nowhere to be found. They all scattered, as brief said, all around. And we were at the beginning. I give her incredible credit.

If I had the sensation of being electrocuted every moment of every single day, I don't know if I would have the fortitude to not only go out of fight, but put together an organization as she has React 19 with over 36,000 individuals who I understand are seriously injured just from COVID vaccine in the United States. That's just one group in the U.S. with over 36,000 seriously injured individuals of COVID vaccine because, and Brea, I understand, runs that organization, I think, with Joel Wascock, I don't know if you guys are co-leads, who was a orthopedic surgeon who was injured by a Moderna vaccine. So, you know, she's a model to all of us that no matter what challenge your face, rise up, don't let it get you down.

She's an inspiration to me in that regard for sure. The irony, you know, Bree, is that you set out to do something for society. In that case, you thought it was to, you know, help the vaccine move along. And instead, I think it may even be more important than that. You're drawing the eyes of the world onto a program that has been full of assumptions, you know, and lies and deception. And so for that, you know, your prayers are, I think, being answered in some ways. And I want you to know that we are all praying that that journey that your health also can see resolution. I believe all things are possible.

The human body is amazing. I know you have amazing doctors working to try and find answers. And once they find them for you, they will find them for millions and millions of people that are suffering like you. But thank you for all the work you've done, for being the type of person that does. does things for others that tries to make the world a better place. And sometimes that journey definitely doesn't take us where we're expecting to. How do we, can we, can, is there a way to support your case right now? Is there anything we can do?

I guess we got it right. Obviously, yeah, you can donate, react and that, that supports the injured. You know, that supports people that need help with medical expenses, out-of-pocket medical expenses. It's all 100% volunteer, so every single dollar people do. donate goes into the medical fund. But then also, you guys, I mean, if you want to support these lawsuits, there's nobody doing what ICANN is doing. We've worked with you guys for years, and I can tell you, Erin Siri is the one that is making history right now, and he is the one who is pushing

with all he can and his entire army of lawyers who were the best in the best in the world, to be honest, to provide some kind of pathway forward for consumer protections to be restored. And that's something that is far more powerful than what any one of us are doing. And so for that, you know, I can't tell you guys enough, thank you for taking this case and thank you for always having the vaccine injured back. I have seen it for years behind the scenes, what you guys do for people. You never give people lofty promises. You tell us. how it is and unfortunately that's exactly what we need so yeah if people can donate to i can they're going to be able to help everyone in this country make history well and back at you everybody donate to

react 19 uh it's it takes a team there's not one group that can do everything and really taking care of those that are injured in the work that brey and her group is doing is just so important Aaron, of course, as always, you know, I know you're going to go down in history as one of the great constitutional attorneys of all times in the moment where we needed our Constitution to thrive when it was under attack. This is a spectacular moment. It's incredible to know both of you and know that you're playing such an brilliant and important role right now in America for this country and for this beacon of light of liberty and freedom

that we need to represent to the world right now. So keep up the good work. Get back to the hearing. My understanding is it's all being taped, so I'm sure we are going to do an episode of everything that was laid down in New Hampshire at this incredible symposium and event. But keep up the great work,

and I look forward to seeing the progress on this very important case. Thank you, Dr. All right. See you soon. Well, you know, it's, as you look, look at what's taking place here. I know I jumped up and down last week.

It's very exciting that we are turning a corner, but it is also important to recognize that, you know, as we are getting excited that the word is getting out, the word is getting out that so many people like Brie right now are suffering, are suffering because of lies and deceit. And, you know, this is, I guess, a part, we all have some role in this incredible play it is life, you know, this is a dramatic moment and a story that we cannot let be rewritten.

I'm so afraid that, you know, the next president of the United States, if they're not the right person, is just going to sort of cover up all that went wrong with this vaccine, all that went wrong with the decisions and the lockdowns and the pandemic just to protect themselves. And in those bulldozers, you know, turning all of this under, we will be doomed. to repeat it all again. If you don't want to see that being repeated, if you want to play your part in this incredible play of life, as Shakespeare described it, then will you please from the position you're in, wherever it is financially, donate to the informed consent action network, because it's true. We've had a $500,000 match going on last week. We were at, I think

it was $395,000. Where are we at this week? We're at 480,000. We have 20,000 to go right now. If you're watching this, you could be that person that helps match that up. So please get involved. You'll double your money right now. We're asking you to donate $24 for 2024 as a recurring donation. That helps us continue to fund all the work. Now, sometimes Aaron Siri is just working in private with these groups. Other times we're funding them, but we're making sure that where help is needed. it's possible. We are changing the conversation. Nobody has done more to achieve that than this show the high wire than all the legal wins we've had, returning the religious exemption to Mississippi, which I think to date is still our greatest accomplishment, but revealing and getting all of the Pfizer data published so that every scientist in the world can see what happened in those trials, the Moderna trials, all of this. I mean, this was supposed to be handed over as a part of transparency. They rushed a vaccine onto the market. And the whole idea is I will be transparent

with you. No, they weren't. And without you, without you sponsors that donated to us, we would be waiting 75 years to find out what they know about, you know, breed dressing inside of those trials, what they know about those others injured in Pfizer and Moderna. They wanted to hide the whole thing. And the only reason every scientist and every journalist in the world like the future Chris Cuomo will have an ability to study what happened there is because if I can and you. And there is so much more work like that that we need to do to build a fortress against stupidity taking over our lives ever again. We need you in this battle right now. All it takes right now is you signing up and saying, you know what, I could give a dollar. a month. Certainly. I could give up a cup of coffee in $7 a month. Just text the number 72022 and write match right now.

And we'll take that donation, make sure that it's matched and continue to fund the most important battle that has ever happened in courtrooms in our lives. If we don't win these court cases, if we don't shut this down, I guarantee you, you will be forced to take the next pharmaceutical product made by a crony of whoever's president told there's an emergency that you have no choice and you and your children will be poisoned for life. That's how it works. You want to stop that, maybe you want to get involved with the work that we're doing here at ICANN. I have an amazing story coming up a little bit later in the show. Dr. Aiton Haim, who is inside Texas Children's Hospital, which is the largest children's hospital in Houston. The largest children's hospital

in America, they were lying to the public saying, oh, we're not doing gender affirming care. We're not giving puberty blockers when they were doing the exact opposite. He became a whistleblower, and now he's in a lot of trouble. We're going to talk about all of that in just a moment. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey. We're continuing to push forward. You're doing incredible work every week.

What do we got going on? Well, AstraZeneca's problems don't just stop in the United States. United States with Aaron Siri and Breaand Dresson, they go over to the UK as well where there's an active class action lawsuit there. And some court documents came out and they, AstraZeneca, admitted some very interesting things in these court documents. Here's the headline that came from this. Astrozenica admits its COVID vaccine can cause rare side effect in court documents for the first time. And it's interesting here because it says in the article in a letter of response sent in May 23, Astrozenica told lawyers for Mr. Scott, he's one of the people in this class action. We do

not accept that TTS. This is thrombosis with thrombocytopinia syndrome is caused by the vaccine at a generic level. But in the legal documents submitted to the high court in February, Asterzeneca said, quote, it is admitted that the Astrozenica vaccine can, in very rare cases, cause TTS. The causal mechanism is not known. So they're talking about two sides of their mouth. They're telling the plaintiffs, one thing, but they're telling the court, well, you know, when it really comes down to it, Yeah, very rare cases. And this thrombosis basically a blood clot at the same time with low plateletal count. This is the thrombosis and thrombocytopinia.

And this is kind of a rare, they're calling it an entity in the literature, a rare new entity that's vaccine induced. So this is something that it's just been on the front burner in AstraZeneca's face. They're trying to damage control this. But remember, the world, the UK, the media, the governments, they had a chance to put it to this to stop this in 2021. Astrogynexia's vaccine went into arms outside of trials in January 2021. That's why it first started widespread use.

And just a few months later in March, they began to see these problems, these blood clots. And a lot of countries started halting it. And what we see is what we see with a lot of things, whether it's puberty blockers or the vaccines, the Nordic countries are always seem to be ahead in being cautious on this. So they were the first to do this in 2021. Here's this headline and you saw Nordic countries halt the use because it was dark ice way. But then sure enough, shortly after that, you had the major European nations started to do that

as well. You had Germany, France, Italy, Spain, all suspended the use of this vaccine. And even in Reuters, they were coming out and the European Medicines Agency had to look at this vaccine. And you saw this headline out of Reuters, a clear link between astrozenic vaccine and rare blood clots in the brain, EMA officials tell, to, paper. So think about this for a second. So in the UK, they have something just like the VAR system, the vaccine adverse event reporting system. They have the yellow card system. So a general practice, GP, John practitioner can file, you know, if one of their patients has a medical event after the vaccine, they can file this in the yellow card system. And when you look at AstraZeneca's listing by 2021, this is

this is what it looked like for any journalist, any government official that wanted to look and see what kind of alleged harms that were being caused by this thing, by people reporting. You can see here, just AstraZeneca, where you have like 52,000 there in the 40 to 49 age group, over 52,000 in the 50 to 59 age group. You add that up. It's well over 100,000 people. And in the dark green, I guess, dark to light green, that's serious reports. So there's way more serious reports than there are.

And then you go to specifically right here in this chart, blood and lymphatic system disorders. These are those blood clots. And not a couple, not 10, not 20. You have thousands of serious reports. And then if you look at the really dark green, serious reports with a fatal outcome. And it's not small. There's some in there. So all the journalists, again, all the government officials had this at their fingertips

in 2021. They could have really- I mean, sitting there watching like the fact that they call a yellow card system, I'm sitting here, I never really thought about it, right? But I played soccer as a kid. And you think about sort of that reference, like the yellow card being, you know, if you cause any more blood clots or thrombocide opinion, you're getting kicked out of this game. Red card next for you, buddy. I mean, it's such a bizarre thought.

I don't know if that's the thinking behind it, but, you know, football is a huge thing in England and Europe and the fact that they call a yellow card system. But it really is. It's alarming, right? You are causing serious damage. And all those people where we see that going on and they knew about it. Yeah, and so you had this halt. This moment in time where we paused, as many countries did collectively and said, something's going on here, let's look at this. Let's just jog people's memory.

This is how the media reported on it during that pause. Take a look. The World Health Organization says there's no reason to stop the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine. The statement comes after Bulgaria, Romania, and Thailand joined three Scandinavian countries in suspending inoculations with this particular vaccine. They were reacting to reports of blood clots in some people who'd received the shot, although there is no evidence of any link. The AstraZeneca vaccine has been linked in some way to blood clots. Now what is the evidence and is this causation or correlation just a coincidence or a serious

cause for concern? It's almost certainly a coincidence. All the data that we have so far is that the level of blood clots is lower than it would be before vaccinations. So that's in itself reassuring. We can say that yes, blood clots are happening after vaccination, but they're almost certainly not caused by the vaccinations. Why is there this massive reaction all of a sudden?

I really worry that the damage done by pausing vaccination programs and the resultant COVID that will happen and the complications will far outweigh any damage that may have been prevented, for example, by looking at these clots, which we don't think are related to the vaccines at all. There's nothing to suggest a causal link between clots and the vaccine. So there seems no reason to be worried about either vaccine being used in the UK rollout. Wow. I mean, when you just watched that level of propaganda. And folks, I don't know if you caught the one person. I mean, these people will stop another.

The one guy says, in fact, it appears that it lowers blood clots in people that get the vaccine. We, you know, we made it for COVID. But as it turns out, it's a blood clot blocker. I mean, you got me. Absolutely. They'll say absolutely anything. And I mean, you got to remind people, do you remember when the news actually used to give you both sides of the story? There are a lot of people that are claiming that they've had this injury. We're talking to some scientists saying otherwise you should decide, no, they come right out of the gate. Do not stop taking it. There's no evidence. I mean, it's pure propaganda and they did it all across the world. I'm amazed anyone ever watches these news stations. ever again. It's not new. I mean, these propaganda channels ever again. Right. And you can see one of the people in that montage there was Dr. Raj Singh, and he was the one getting the vaccine on camera. He was a huge proponent for this AstraZeneca vaccine on UK media.

And if you go over to Disclosure UK, you can search payments by practitioner that have received payments from big pharma companies. But we look at AstraZeneca, how many how many practitioners and healthcare organizations that they paid in 2021 they paid about over 68 million pounds to health care practitioners and health care organizations but dr sing was one of them you can see here he received 22,500 pounds and a lot of people are kind of up in arms about that because he is the one promoting the vaccine he's receiving money from the manufacturer from so he was trotted out back on TV to kind of explain himself and take a look at this. You spoke a lot about the vaccine when it was rolled out, and you've had a bit of backlash

on it on social media. One of the places where there has been a lot of debate around COVID vaccines in general has been on social media, everyone from scientists through to people who've suffered potentially adverse reactions, right through to the abject conspiracy theories. The news that's just come out has ignited a hell of a lot of discussion. and that's come from, especially from people who have got conspiracy, maybe anti-vax views, who believe now that they were deliberately misled over these vaccines. And I've experienced that backlash directly, and I said it's been quite distressing,

but nothing compared to what the families have been through. But it has been unfair. As a healthcare professional, I worked throughout the COVID pandemic on the front line. I also spoke on screen and online about COVID and about the vaccines, especially as they were launching. say that our job was to get the best information and advice out to the public that we could based on what we knew at the time. And in those early stages where we started seeing the reports about those potential clots

and adverse reactions, we didn't, based on all the information we had, there was not enough to say that it was down to the vaccines because those clots happened for lots of other reasons and they weren't happening at a higher rate than we would expect at that time. And we've also going to remember that this was on the background of an unprecedented global and evolving pandemic that was killing millions of people at the time. Oh, man. I mean, first of all, like, you see, he literally like spews all this and it turns to the next card, like covered that. And you've got to imagine what those cards say at the top, right? It's probably just astrigenica is like the notepaper.

And below it says, dance, you shall dance. What do we pay you for? And, you know, we were going with the best information that we were to pay. to give you from Astazetica, the company making billions of dollars off the product. And yeah, I'm getting some backlash now. Oh, no, I love the fact that you're still called a conspiracy theory after you've been proven right. I mean, that's where we're at. Now it's like I'm going to be stuck with conspiracy theory my entire life because it doesn't matter that you were right.

You were still a conspiracy theorist. And we're hearing it here too. They still refer to all the, you know, the conspiracy theorists are saying, what do you mean, conspiracy theorists? no longer theory anymore. Your show right now is saying no theory left, it's now a fact. Anyway, I mean, you got to question the person literally walking on stage with cue cards to read from. I mean, talk about disingenuous. All right. So what we saw, so the EMA was looking into it. There was blood clots at the time, but as we know, it came out and said it's safe

and effective. Those were the headlines that were made. European Medicines Agency says it safe and effective. So on it went. And astrozytica actually went one step further. They were bold because after they kind of got through that whole fiasco, blood clots in 2021, they went for the U.S. market. So they came and they said, you know what? Our trials, they found that this vaccine is 100% effective. More effective than any drug in the history of mankind, 100%. And that's what they ran with at the headlines. But at some point, they decided to withdraw that application in the U.S. so it did not enter the U.S. market. So they withdrew the FDA application.

They decided to focus on antibodies, perhaps seeing in the writing on the wall that these lawsuits were coming down or these people were getting injured. And as we know now, not a conspiracy, not an anti-vax, whatever. They've withdrawn it globally. They're in the process of withdrawing their vaccine globally. And I mean, any company that spends that much money on research and development that just pulls their product in the middle of a ton of lawsuits, that's a story. I remember, and we've been covering this story. Again, big shocker. We were on this the moment it was happening because we're conspiracy theorists, I guess. But if I remember correctly, Jeffrey, because it's been now a couple of years. But though that shill on the news there was saying, well, we had no idea. We were, you know, looked like it was safe. You really didn't. You really didn't. You know, you had all these Nordic countries that were seeing, you know, if I remember correctly, it had a very specific signature that you you pointed out, it was blood clots as this, at the same time as thrombocytopinia, which, you know, isn't like impossible in nature, but it's really rare. For people that don't know what that

means, it means your platelets have been reduced, yet you are getting clots. Now, normally clots are because you have too many platelets gathering in one area, and so that gave this a very specific signature that is so rare that they said, well, why would we suddenly see this rise. It wasn't just, yeah, blood clots happened, but blood clots at the same time as thrombocytes opinion, that isn't happening all the time. It's a very rare occurrence. And if I remember correctly, one of the things that tip them off is heparin is a drug that's given when you're getting blood clots and you're in a dangerous situation to break down and get rid of the platelets to break apart those blood clots and people were then bleeding out, which is what led to them like,

oh my God, we are doing what we normally do with a blood clot, but we're killing people. We can't do that because for whatever reason, at the same time they're getting clots, they're losing platelets. And so it was that very unique signature that was happening that made it obvious that there was a real, at least correlation. So these people are saying, oh, it's only happenstance. It's clearly a coincidence. In fact, it's reducing blood clots. You really, you're watching straight up lies. It was very clear at the time.

And now suddenly, as all the other things were reported, we're proven right. Those Nordic countries were right. They were right to block it. They were a right to stop it. And every shield that said keep getting it, really we should question what happens with him. Looks like we just lost Jeffrey for some reason. Imagine we're going to try and get him back. But when you look at this, I mean, I'll just talk about that.

This is when you realize the problem with having the commercial. in your breaks. When you're watching the news, and I've said this before, but so many millions of you are joining all the time, welcome to the high wire. You've got to recognize who is paying for the information you're getting? Who is paying that wrote up those cards in the hands of that news anchor where he's clearly reading something says, we're going to throw you a softball question. By the way, this isn't how news is supposed to be produced, right? But this is how that show is being produced. The executive producer is saying to the producers, all right, we need to throw out a softball. And then our reporter who got the shot with everybody that said that he was giving us the best

information that he could based on the news, forget about the fact that he was paid by AstraZeneca to be a shill for the company. And, you know, but when you see all of that happening, when you start recognizing it on television, just watch how many commercials are pharmaceutical commercials between the breaks of the news companies you're watching. Pick your favorite. one, pick Fox or NBC or ABC, whoever it is, doesn't matter. Just start counting how many ads are coming from the pharmaceutical industry and recognize that is their boss. All right, that is who is running that news organization. And in most of the studies done, somewhere between 50 to 70% of all funding in American news is pharma. So if you think your news anchor is going to tell you the

truth next time you're being poisoned by a pharmaceutical product, think again. But by all means, make sure you pay that cable bill before you think of funding the highwire. All right, I got Jeffrey Jackson back. All right, Jeffrey. All right, I'm back. All right. So let's go from really a pandemic that we just lived through to an epidemic that we're being told maybe on the horizon here. And that's whooping cough. And if you haven't heard about it, check out the news because here we go again. A whooping cough outbreak at a Bay Area High School has parents concerned tonight. South Carolina already has reported more hooping cough cases than all of last year. Marin County is currently experiencing a hooping cough outbreak.

Yeah, 113 cases just since December. The UK could be experiencing its biggest outbreak of hooping cough in two decades. Australia is in the midst of a hooping cough outbreak with at least 3,000 cases recorded so far this year. The health department has issued an advisory urging folks to make sure they're up to date on their vaccinations and to monitor themselves for symptoms. It's recommended infants get their first dose of the vaccine at two months. They'll need a booster at about four months and again at about 15 months and four to six years of age. Potosis can be particularly severe in young babies less than six months of age. And for that group, the best protection is vaccination in pregnancy.

We, this is, this is one of our babies here at the Hiawire. We've done a lot of discussions on pertussis long before the COVID vaccine. I know you're about to get into it, but boy, when I see these pregnant moms being lied to and these poor babies, it's really, it's a sad state of affairs. But let's let's get into it. Yeah, it seems like Groundhog's Day. What's changed is obviously we just finished this lockdown response. And this is what some of the literature is showing. So let's just jump to this study here, and this is out of France, association between COVID-19

and pandemic and pertussis derived from multiple nationwide data studies. And it says the limited circulation of B-protussis in the community may be a clear positive collateral effect of the measures imposed by the COVID-19 pandemic. They actually use the words lockdown in this study. However, this reduced bacterial circulation may decrease the herd immunity with the subsequent risk of a larger epidemic in the coming years after relaxation of all mitigation, measures. So they're actually saying it's the lockdowns that may be causing this. And if you go into this study, you can see that. But let me be clear because I know there's two things happening here.

We're showing they're pushing a panic for whooping cough, but that's saying there's actually less whooping cough around. They have some theory about lockdowns. Maybe it's the fact that nobody's vaccinating. Is it possible that vaccination is a problem? We're going to get into that. I know. But just so people are clear, they're saying that even though you're being told to be scared of it, there's actually less pertussis circulating, at least in that study, correct? Yeah, yeah. It's a very interesting, it's a very interesting conundrum that they're pointing out here. Yeah, we're doing really well, so make sure you'll go out and get vaccines now for the future. And then when it gets worse, the future, it's like more people need to get, I mean, it's madness.

Go ahead. Looking across all the coverage of this whooping cough, I mean, there's multiple countries, these outbreaks they're saying, is that they're no longer blaming anti-vaxxers for it. That's a big change in the narrative. It's nuanced, but you see that they're saying the pandemic may have caused vaccine hesitancy, the mandates, the vaccine mandates and that response. So that's a small win. But you look back in this study and you can actually see how the pertussis rates just flatlined.

And here's the cases by month identified by France's hospital surveillance data. You can see right after 2020 flatlines. And then you can see another one here, private outpatient laboratories, PCR confirmed, same thing. Just completely flatlines there. So that brings us to the vaccine. And so this is the big question because what's the answer? Well, you heard all those news reports. Go out and get your vaccine.

If you're pregnant, get your vaccine. And so there is a study that was funded commissioned by the FDA. It's in 2013. It's a very good study. And in the title, I'm going to read the title here. It's a cellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a non-human primate model. So what they did was they vaccinated.

baboons with several doses of this acolular pertussis vaccine. They put them in cages with unvaccinated baboons. And well, you know what? You went over this at one point and you did an amazing job. So I'm just going to let you take it from here. So take a look. Right. If your pediatrician has said,

you better make sure that your grandparents and everybody visiting you has gotten a D-TAP vaccine because your baby is susceptible to pertussis and it could kill your baby. Stop. Stop right there. I'm going to explain why. why right after this piece of total bull crap. There's something out there.

It's a highly contagious disease. It can be especially serious, even fatal to infants. Unfortunately, many people who spread it may not know they have it. It's called whooping cough, and the CDC recommends everyone, including those around babies. Make sure their whooping cough vaccination is up to date. Understand the danger your new grandchild faces. Talk to your doctor or a pharmacist about you and your family getting a whooping cough vaccination today.

What is the scientific evidence that you will be protected by a D-TAP vaccine and that the baby will be protected because you've got a D-TAP vaccine? It's actually the exact opposite. I want to point you to a study that was done by scientists from the FDA. Cellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a non-human primate model. They did a primate study which is the gold standard of safety testing. Here's how it went. We used our brand new D-TAP vaccine on the pink baboons right here. Boom, we gave them all D-TAP. This is the common vaccine used all around the world. Then this group are totally unvaccinated. The blue monkeys here all have natural immunity.

Why? Because they already had the virus. It's not injected with anything and now they are immune for life. And they come in with the pertussis bacteria and they put them all in contact with pertussis. Here's what's interesting. To the D-TAP group, remember this is the accellular pertussis, this group that got sprayed with pertussis, they had the entire disease, they were carrying it. The only difference was they had no cough. They didn't know they had it, but it was inside their lungs. Then this group of unvaccinated just as we would suspect all got pertussis, they weren't protected and they felt like crap. And we're hacking their full heads off.

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Lastly, the group that had once had pertussis and are now naturally immune, guess what? Not a single bit of colonization. They are perfectly healthy. They will be healthy for life because as we've said, real herd immunity requires that you get the disease. says, oh, I had pertussis 15 years ago, come on over. Now it comes down to these two groups, which is what this commercial is all about. What they're telling you is, this is the safer group to have visit your baby.

Here's what I want you to think about. Both these groups are admittedly totally contagious with pertussis. This one, honey, grandma calls. She feels terrible and she says, I'm not visiting the baby because I have this atrocious cop and I probably shouldn't come over. That's what the unvaccinated group is going to do, but this group just as contagious, but because they've had the vaccine, are not coughing. They have no idea they are fully contagious with pertussis, so they're coming over to visit

Baby, just like your doctor said, just like the commercial told you to do, get your deep tap vaccine except it's made you a silent potential killers. They did a side study. They took one of these pertussis covered detap monkeys. They put it in a cage with a totally unvaccinated, healthy monkey, and they let them sit together. And guess what? Every time they did this experiment, this totally unvaccinated monkey got the disease from this vaccinated D-TAP monkey.

Fully contagious and dangerous. So in the end, who is the real wolf in this story? The D-TAP group. This is the most dangerous group on the planet. will never know whether it's safe to be around your baby. On the other hand, this group will have pertussis once. But once they're done with that cough, they will never get it again. So they can visit any baby they want for the rest of their lives safely.

They can also know because they have a cough they shouldn't come over to mommy and daddy and baby's house. That's the facts. That's the science. And there's never been a greater display of false advertising. and then that horrific ad by Glaxo Smith Quine. Well, obviously the show's cleaned up a little bit since back by hippie days. But you get the point.

It's really fun to look back at how we got that story across. And it's super interesting, right? And just to make sure you got it, this is true about D-TAP. And it's the same thing with COVID. This is the argument we were making with COVID. The COVID vaccine has the exact same problem. You cannot create herd immunity, which is the entire purpose of a vaccine if the vaccine is a leaky vaccine. If you are contagious but you just don't know that you are, everywhere you go, you are getting people sick.

And then imagine these children will say, well, you've got to protect the immune suppressed child or the new infant, the baby, you know, or grandma that's sick and got cancer, whatever it is. And they're saying, get the vaccine. It's the last thing you should do. that's the only thing is doing is taking away your symptoms. Now you're walking in and you're getting everybody sick. This is an argument we've made in court. This is an argument that's winning in court. It's also the problem of the COVID vaccine.

Jeffrey, there's more detailed to this, though. I mean, there's a lot of science around this. And it's important for people that are here that only know about COVID, that they really understand what we're talking about with DTAP because it kind of explains it all. Right, right. So people will say, you know, that was a study from 2013. Well, certainly they've done a lot more research since then. And you can see, here's a study from 2019, right before the pandemic.

And this is talking about pertussis resurgence, reasons for the resurgence. This is a well-done study, several authors. And it says in there, if you read, consequently, preventative measures such as accellular pertussis vaccines that do not induce a valid mucosal response can prevent disease, but cannot avoid infection and transmission, just like the FDA says. Right. Then it goes on to say lack of mucosal immune response. is after a cellular pertussis vaccine administration, listen to this, favor infection,

persistent colonization, and transmission of the pathogen. That's not too good if you're trying to stop this thing. Mucosal immunity, I mean, vaccines do not do a good job at that at all. Herd immunity does a good job at that. So they go on to say this. Finally, a cellular pertussis vaccines do not prevent colonization. Consequently, they do not reduce the circulation of B-pertussis and do not exert any herd immunity effect. These findings, at least partly explain the resurgence of Ruses, huge, huge statements there. But then when we go into... All right, here we are.

I guess we're having a lot of trouble. Jeffrey's system keeps shutting down. Let me just go to the rest of the slides. Can you bring them up? Because I think what we're talking about is these studies are showing that not only are you not, you know, stopping the infection. It's actually priming you so that you end up being infected more often. This is a famous study by a guy named Cherry, Dr. James Cherry. This is what he wrote.

This is the 112-year odyssey of pertustis and pertussis vaccines. Mistakes made and implications for the future. Just leave it right there. I want to explain to folks. This is going to be tough for most of you because most of us at one point or another believed in this program went along with it. This vaccine is given in, I think it's five doses now by the time you're 18. Three of them within the side of the first two years.

of your child's life and you took one as a pregnant mother for most of you. So, but here's the reality. We got to just face it. As I said to Brie, Briand Dresen, I think the human body is amazing, but this is the reality around this terrible, terrible vaccine that should have been called. Look at what he goes on to say in this study. Because of the small number of antigens, three to five in DTAP vaccines versus 3,000 in the original DTW.

vaccines, which were super dangerous, linked epitope suppression occurs. Because of linked epitope suppression, all children who were primed by detap vaccines. Let me read that again. All children who were primed by detap vaccines will be more susceptible to pertussis throughout their lifetimes. And there is no easy way, otherwise known as no known way to decrease the increased lifetime susceptibility, meaning once you've got this vaccine, you will be infected more by pertussis the rest of your life. You'll catch it over and over and over again. And my favorite study, because it goes really beyond the thinking you should have around the childhood vaccine program

beyond COVID is this one. This is Boston University School of Public Health. The resurgence of whooping cough may owe to vaccines inability to prevent infections. We have said this time and time again. this, but look at this. The disease is back because we didn't really understand how our immune defenses against whooping cough worked. What? We were clueless and did not understand how the vaccines needed to work to prevent it, said Christopher J. Gill, associated professor of global health and lead author of the article. Instead, we layered assumptions upon assumptions and now find ourselves in the uncomfortable position of admitting to you that we may have made some crucial errors. This is definitely not where we thought we'd be in 2017.

Guess what? You're still here in 2024. Same stupid vaccine. Same vaccine getting all your children affected over and over and over again. All of you mothers over and over and over again. You're not protecting your baby. You're putting them at more risk. And this is a question that I really grapple with all the time with vaccines like this. If it's only stopping my symptoms, but I'm still an infected carrier and I'm a carrier more often, what if all the vaccines are doing that? Or how many are doing that where I'm an infected human now with a disease that my body used to clear from my body?

Beat it, beat it up, kicked it out of the neighborhood, never came back again. Now I live with disease in me as a constant. I just don't know it because they don't have any symptoms. What are the long-term health implications of you? human bodies that carry disease perpetually but don't know it. All right, we've got Jeffrey Jackson back. But that's a thought, by the way, everyone, that I contemplate a lot. Hopefully we'll hold on to you through this next section, Jeffrey. All right. So let's go, on top of what you're just saying, let's go to ASIP slide. This is advisory committee on immunization practices. And this is, it was

published in the CDC's MMWR. It's kind of their in-house science journal. And they're looking at the Pratusses vaccine, and they said this about it. They were looking at the studies and all the evidence, and they said this quote, another study that calculated Tdap vaccine effectiveness among adolescents found that within the first year after vaccination, effectiveness was 68.8.8%. By greater than or equal to four years after vaccination, vaccine effectiveness was 8.9%. 8.9%. That's what they're talking about here. You know, I wonder when I look at that. And I want to tell you this is a theory, folks. There are facts that we put out here. I'm sure New York Times are going to say, dope. Bigtree said, but I wonder if it's possible when we see them saying that there's less

pertussis right now circulating, that there's less vaccinations. Is it possible that maybe we get lucky that because these vaccines suck so bad and seem to wear off within four years that maybe as they wear off, maybe we get back our natural immunity and those kids that aren't, haven't gotten it for the last several years because their parents are like, I don't know, I'm starting to question the system that maybe their bodies are starting to fight this better. I mean, that's my prayer, really, is that, and COVID, there was talk of how COVID maybe resets the immune system. There was some conversations about that in the science. What we clearly know based on Boston universities, they don't know what they're talking about.

But those are some theories of mine that maybe the fact that people are stopping vaccinating is why we're seeing a reduction in protusses. I mean, that's terrible, 8% protection within four years. Yeah. Yeah. And so let's go from some assumptions, you know, as you're mentioning there, reading from that article, the assumptions upon assumptions. And we're talking about how those get folded into the medical ideology and basically get runaway into practices. And that's what's been going on with the idea of puberty blockers for children that are transitioning.

And this is the conversation. In the transgender conversation, this is where the high wire really jumped in. The idea of giving minors medications that have no long-term track record of safety when it comes to what they're being used for often against parents' wishes and behind parents' backs. This is a conversation that since about this past month, the CAST report came out in the UK. And what did that do? That said there needs to be an extremely cautious approach in giving kids these drugs because of the lack of the scientific literature. And there's been a huge backoff after that report. and it continues. This is the hill. This is their op-ed in the hill, and they're starting to sound like this.

The reckoning over puberty blockers has arrived. And you go into this article, and it says, parents who have consented to these drugs for their children love their kids dearly, but they've consented under entirely false pretenses. The doctors who've advised them to say that puberty blockers are known to improve mental health, that they are even life-saving, and that they're fully reversible and just give kids time to think. None of this is true. So this is, But they're, this is, I mean, these are strong words here. And so the puberty blockers, the doctors are saying this on the pretense, well, we just give kids time.

They're having, you know, they're wrestling with this, this, these things right now. These puberty blockers will give them time to think about what direction they want to go. Well, the science is saying different. Here's a study and it's looking at, are these reversible? And so they, this is called puberty blockers. We mean, let's look this up. Puberty blocker in the aging impact of testicular cell states and function. And it says in there, herein, we report the largest clinically annotated juvenile testicular biorepository with all children with gender dysphoria on chronic puberty blocker treatment, highlighting shifts in pediatric patient demography in the U.S.

At the tissue level, we report mild to severe sex gland atrophy, that shrinkage, in puberty blocker treatment children. That also goes on to say, this combined with the noted gland atrophy and abnormalities from the histology data raises a potential concern regarding the complete. reversibility and reproductive fitness of SSC, that's spermatogneal stem cells. What those are is basically the foundation of male fertility, sperm generation, and they're saying, there's a big question. They're looking at the tissues, and they're saying, we're seeing these big changes, and we don't think this may be reversible, and this is one of the largest databases we're looking at here.

And so those are the puberty blockers, and when we talk about this conversation, you have kind of two aspects of this. You have the puberty blockers to stop that. natural puberty that's happening in an individual, and then you have the gender affirming hormones that are the second phase that direct them towards the gender they prefer. So, you know, when they say, just start with these puberty blockers, they'll give them time to think. That is a gateway, and it's almost a direct 100% gateway.

In this study here, they're looking at the trajectory of people that have started puberty blockers. Do they stop them? Do they go on? Do they have a second thought about this? No. 107 eligible VMAQ participants using GR, I'm sorry, GNRHA, 93% subsequently started gender affirming hormones.

So that GNRHA, those are Gnatochropin releasing hormone agonists, so those are puberty blockers basically. And so once you go to that second phase of the gender affirming hormones, there's a lot of studies that show the dangers of this. So here's one of them, cardiac risks. This is the study that's showing there's a high risk of strokes and heart attacks in transgender individuals receiving that type of hormone therapy than against the general population. Another one is breast cancer risks. This study shows a higher risk of breast cancer and trans women

receiving these type of hormones. So it's no surprise that legislation has been moving in a certain direction, especially in the United States here. This is South Carolina. They're now joining 24 other states in banning sex change treatments on minors. So there's the legislative approach just going after of this, whether you think it's right or wrong, that seems to be the trend. And even this is interesting, too, the California Justice Department tells the court it can't, cannot, force schools to transition kids behind their parents' backs. This is kind of a nuanced story, but it's interesting because the Attorney General Rob Bonta in California is expected to run for governor has been publicly saying, we will fight, we will use legal methods if schools

try to block this, if schools try to block this transition. But when pressed in court, the representatives for the AG's office there in California said, we actually don't have the legal right to do this. So that's an interesting space that that whole conversation. California is one of the standout states that is approving this, and it's a sanctuary state, they call it, for minors that are seeking this type of therapies. But there's also a trend change in the conversation of the terminology being used, and that's the transgender ideology in hospitals. So this is the headline out of the UK, chest feeding to be banned in NHS crackdown. So this new approach that NHS is taking is they're going to ban transgender women from being

treated on single-sex female hospital wards. So they're going to try to protect female privacy and protection. And they also are allowing people that are. I mean, I mean, this just, again, this is like this sort of no doubt. I mean, beyond just like you're so single-sex hospital wards or floors, these are doctors that specialize in female care, gynecologists and things like that. What do they know about a man who's seeing himself as a woman? Like on their floor. I never studied, you know, I'm always worked, yeah, the anatomy of men. It's a great way to put it.

I realize some of you are watched with your homeschool class and maybe because this conversation is going to continue with my next guest. but maybe time to decide if you want to have this conversation with your kids watching. But, I mean, think about it. We have doctors that are designed to take care of men for specific reasons and women for specific reasons. And now you're putting, I'm sorry, physically attributed men whose minds make them believe that they're women. But what does that do for the doctors in those? Well, like, I can't do anything for you.

I mean, I just, this, obviously, I'm glad that the UK is coming around and recognizing the type of madness that we're involved in here. It's really insane. And what's interesting is as the UK is making this turn, just last year, the CDC here in the U.S. is going full speed. It looks like kind of in the other direction where they're actually giving guidance to chest feeding. This was the headline for that one. CDC gives guidance for trans people chest feeding kids accused of failing to consider possible health risks. But then Mississippi is also from the legislative aspect. They're going the way of the NHS here.

And they have legislation that signed into law defining. sexes and protecting single-sex spaces for women. So we're talking about single-sex spaces like restrooms, public housing, changing facilities. So they're actually codifying biological sex in the law, man and woman. So this conversation over this last month has moved so fast and in one direction after that cast report that it really has a lot of people's head spinning. And we're trying to keep up with this. But this is a narrative that at one point, a lot of people were wondering, why are we transitioning with these drugs that aren't really tested for long-term use and safety in this context?

It seems to be a little more rationality coming to this conversation saying, hold on, let's look at this a little deeper. And, you know, NHS and the cast report really has seemed to lead this point. Yeah, it's really interesting. And it has. I mean, this whole thing is like sort of cycled and peaked and is now going the other direction. All feels like almost within the last year, I feel like. we haven't been reporting on it that long and just watching.

And maybe it's because so many people like us are reporting. Jeffrey Jackson, once again, great reporting. Go out, get that computer fixed, and we'll see you next week. I want to say on this topic that I've actually been very torn. You know, I always like to think of things in terms of black and white. I hate gray areas. I want legislation and laws to just say always or never. I don't like, well, sometimes here, but yeah, but then in this case,

I just it feels It just doesn't feel like the way I like decisions to be made and this is one of those topics that has really pushed me Because on the one hand all I do almost every day of my life is fight for two things medical freedom and parental rights Parental rights that the government doesn't own your child You get to decide what's right for your child and I've been in arguments with my friends especially on this issue because on this issue on the one One hand, you know, parents, I think they're being misguided, but there's other things they're being misguided on when it comes to take care of their children that they're going

along with. Does the government just jump in there? You know, when you decide to say it's child abuse or something, when you give, you know, puberty blockers to children, and then the parents can't even making me sure the child should be able to make that decision and the adult can make whatever decision they want, but aren't the parents the ones that we should trust these situations, had a really almost heated conversation with a really good friend of mine who finally made a point that I couldn't get around. And he said to me, you know, Del, we also outlaw, you know, female circumcision,

even though there's other countries and cultures that believe that that's okay. It removes the ability for women to, you know, have pleasure and the different things that go on there. And we've decided that that's not okay. And in this case, we are castrating these children. And whether a parent is been misguided or not, you know, the government should step in there. I have just lightly stepped into that place. I'm sure all those are it's obvious, Del. I'll tell you, my knee-jerk reaction is not to bring the government in. I'm sorry, it's just not.

I would rather they stay out and we trust parents and educate them and get beyond it. But this one does sort of cross in that space. And so it does appear that, you know, in places like Texas, is on the forefront of saying, that ain't allowed here, which is at the heart of this next story. That's exactly what Ken Paxton, the DA of Texas said. He said, here in Texas, we believe our laws support the fact that the child should be protected when child abuse is taking place. And A.G. Paxson declares so-called sex chain procedures on children and prescription of puberty blockers to be child abuse under Texas law. That was back in February 21st of 2022.

Texas Children's Hospital said, all right, I guess that's it. We're not doing that anymore, declared to the world. We've stopped it. But did they? Watch this. My dad is a doctor, and I saw how much his profession meant to him and how much he cared for his patients. So that's the reason I went into medicine.

I did medical school in Florida, and then I did my surgical training at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas. And when you're training for surgery, you're at a few different hospitals. One of those hospitals was Texas Children's. So we would spend a lot of time there. In March of 2022, the Texas Attorney General, Ken Paxton, had issued an opinion stating that, quote unquote, this gender affirming care could be investigated as child abuse. Texas Children's Hospital had released a statement in March of 2022 that said they were unequivocally shutting down their transgender program because of the legal risks.

It was very soon after that I found out this was categorically untrue. People would tell me about how they were implanting these period-blocking devices into 11, 12, 13-year-old kids. They told me about how these kids had all these psychiatric issues that were going unmanaged and just being attributed to this one thing. You know, every indication was that this program was shut down. but behind closed doors, they not only continued it, but expanded it into a multidisciplinary clinic. They were giving conferences where they were talking about concealing it from the public.

I knew I had a responsibility to do something about that. You know, I had a responsibility as a surgeon as an individual. So I had to make it known to the public. I'm honored to be joined right now by Dr. Aiton Haim. Dr. Haim, thanks for taking the time to join us today. Yeah, thank you for having me on. This is a fairly complicated story wrapped around a very complicated issue that we've been covering here at the high wire when it comes to Transitioning or you know gender blocking drugs surgeries on

Children an issue that is really shifted gears a lot in Europe But I want to sort of unpack this a little bit and sort of your to get an understanding of you know how your story comes into this here in Texas You were a resident correct and one of the hospital you're a resident at, was Texas Children's Hospital in Houston? Yes, sir, yeah. So, and for people who may not be familiar with what that is, after you finish medical school, when you do your training afterwards in a chosen specialty, so for internal medicine, that might be three years, for neurosurgery at seven years, for general surgery is five years, and I was at Baylor College Medicine in Houston Tech.

And we spent a lot of time at Texas Children's Hospital. Children's Hospital, which is the biggest children's hospital in the world. Really an amazing place to train. Wow. Okay. And so surgery is general surgery is what your specialty is now, but that's what you're studying at that moment. And so, you know, this is a, you know, here in Texas, Ken Paxson, as we know, makes a statement basically, we're going to investigate doctors that are doing this. And we sort of consider it child abuse to be blocking gender or, you know, involved in these practices in young children. And so Texas Children's Hospital, biggest children's hospital in the United States of America, says we are not going to do these procedures any longer due to legal

implications. But you start seeing that there's a different story going on. Tell me about that. How do you find out that they actually haven't stopped these procedures? Yeah. So I found out that they had not stopped because the people who were doing the procedure, the surgeries had told me about them doing it. And it was in the months following that statement. And you brought up a really important part of that statement where they said they were stopping because of the legal risks. So they acknowledged that there was some criminal liability. Here it is. Let me just read this from their statement. After assessing the Attorney General's and Governor's Actions, Texas Children's Hospital paused hormone-related prescription therapies

for gender-affirming services. This step was taken to say. safeguard our healthcare professionals and impacted families from potential criminal legal ramifications. The spokesperson added. So that was basically the statement, we're not doing this. So now you have doctors that are like saying, yeah, we're doing these procedures. Yeah. And the thing is, I mean, I didn't believe it. Like even after the first couple of times, even after it became more frequent in the months following, I just didn't believe it. Because I never thought, in a million years that the hospital would ever do something like that. So I thought maybe it must have been.

Meaning you didn't think they would take the risk. Is that we're saying? I mean, it's such a risk-averse industry, right? Like, we don't need law students. Is that what you're saying? That the risk was or what they were asking? I didn't. I wouldn't think that they would take the legal risk,

but also I wouldn't think that they would lie to their patients, like the people they take care of, which is as a doctor, horrifying. Because this is a children's hospital. And like our currency as doctors is trust, right? That's like the only way that someone is able to have a relationship with us. Because when we take someone back to an operating room, right, like they roll back, they go to a room there, they've never been to there, surrounded by a bunch of strangers,

they're unconscious, sedated, and paralyzed. And those people are going to cut them open. Like, that's what we do. So that trust has to be. there in that relationship. So it was hard to believe. I thought it must have been that these were like holdover cases from before that statement. But the thing is, it was just becoming more frequent in the months following. The patients are being lied to. What do you mean by the patients are being lied to? Yeah. So what I mean by that is when you have a family who brings their kid into Texas

Children's Hospital, at that point after that statement, they believe that this is no long happening at the hospital that there's no risk to their kids being pulled into this pipeline where they're going to be started on blockers where they're going to be manipulated into questioning their gender identity right or um uh being manipulated into believing they were born in the wrong sex but what the reality is when they would go into tex children's hospital that's exactly what they were doing and you know that could be seen in uh the lectures that was that was we had exposed. Directors of the program were advising general pediatricians to ask about gender identity behind the backs of their parents. But I would ask the patient themselves.

We really want to create safe environments for these patients, and unfortunately not every patient who is gender diverse may have that safe environment at home, and it may not be safe to use their affirmed to name in front of family members or other individuals, and so asking in private it probably the easiest way to go. Now, I've always thought a gender blocker was like a shot or a pill, but you're saying has a surgical element to it. What is that procedure? Yeah, it's a good point.

So it comes in two different forms. It comes as an injection that you can get every three months. Or for kids who don't tolerate the injection because you're awake for it, and these are 10, 11-year-old kids. So one of the most difficult things is to get one of these kids that sit still to get an injection, especially if it's every three months. And typically the ones who are not able to tolerate those injections are ones who have other psychiatric comorbidies. So for example, autism. So if a kid is not able to tolerate the injection, what they do is take them under general anesthesia

and then implant a pre-blocking device into their arm. So that lasts instead of every three months, it lasts a long. longer period of time about one year. What is the process that takes you, gets you from, I think my kid's acting, you know, is having some difficulties with life to let me put them under and have a gender blocking procedure? Yeah, well, it's the part where a kid is being put under anesthesia and then being operated on is the end point in a pipeline that starts much earlier.

And it depends on the situation where that. kid enters that pipeline but many of them are started in the schools whether it's a counselor friends teachers you know other people in their social group who um kind of introduce them to this gender ideology especially kids who are entering puberty right who have problems going through adolescence they're looking for answers to all their problems and this is the answer for them so they kind of they get put into this pipeline that is offering them answers, offering them, you know, a type of community. But then you also have families that go into these clinics. And what the doctors do is they say, you know, do you want a living son or a dead daughter? And for the parents who may not

be familiar with what exactly the implications of these procedures are, you know, it's a very easy thing for them to be intimidated into agreeing to having something like this done. But after our story came out, there was another whistleblower at Texas Children's who came out in the story with Christopher Rufo. And this person said that she was horrified by what she was seeing in the clinic where you had not only the kids, but the parents have no idea what the implications of these interventions were. Because essentially, what's happening is you're putting these children on a road to becoming sterile for the rest of their lives. I'm going to share a story with you,

but also with our audience that we've covered before. For those of you watch right now, this is a previous show we did about Luca, who takes us through exactly what Dr. Hym was discussed in this pipeline. Take a look at this. I started to open up about the fact that I was like, oh, well, I don't really like my chest

or I don't like the fact I would got my period at that point. And I was just feeling like generally uncomfortable with like growing up into a, woman at the time. I first started hearing about top surgery is similar to chest binding, like in all the like online trans-spaces. As someone who was uncomfortable with their breasts and was wearing a binder at this point, like consistently almost like eight hours a day or more, I was like maybe this will help. And I had talked about it with my therapist at this point a little bit.

And from there she was like, yeah, we could get you into someone in your city that can do this. My therapist had like sessions where I was not there and it was just my parents. They thought that like okay well this is this must be like an established like treatment plan in the medical like medical world if they're saying that this is okay. We don't want our kid to like kill themselves so we're gonna be supportive. So it was during the summer of 2018 in July is when I was 16 years old and I had top surgery or double mastectomy. I take responsibility for my part in it, but I also can't be the only one. I was a teenager on like who had a history of mental health issues at this point and approached

with the idea of like, hey, I want to cut this part of myself off to feel better. And the medical community went, yeah, okay. It became, no, you're born in the wrong body. there's something wrong with you and you need to be medicalized to fix this. I mean, you know, Lucas story and similar to what you're saying and what we're seeing in our investigation is one could almost say that the pharmaceutical industry that's involved this, maybe the doctors that are getting paid by it, but they're sort of maybe praying upon is too strong a word but are focusing on people you know children that are having real

psychiatric issues and even more I think troubling is what you said autism spectrum disorder children we know that one of the things is feeling displaced from society having difficulty with social interactions now they're being told you can fix that social difficulty you have you're just the wrong sex and so we're seeing a very large percentage of the children that are deciding to go through this. In fact, some people that I've known in my work with autistic children over the last 10 years

have recently reached out and say, now my child is transitioning exactly how you're reporting. Is that on purpose? Well, you know, I think that is what's happening in a lot of cases of these children, because you hear that story often enough in the detransitioners, where they go to a counselor, a psychologist, or a psychiatrist, and they say, I had all these problems, and then somehow it gets tied back to their gender.

And then whoever the professional in the room is says, well, you know what? Maybe you were born in the wrong body. And they say, all right, well, maybe that's the answer. And if they're going to offer that possible solution and all their problems can go away only if they take this drug or they get this surgery, then that's a very tempting road to go in them. And especially when these are the most vulnerable, vulnerable population of people in our society, the people who rely on the adults in their lives to guide them towards the right direction, you know, who also have the least ability to understand the consequences for their actions. Like, of course, they're going to, you know, take this, you know, follow this road because everyone in their life is telling them it's the right way to go. And because the censorship is so prevalent within academic institutions, and I can personally attest to that because, I mean, I was there for five years.

There is no ability to question the established dogma. And if you do, there are severe consequences to your career, whether being fired, not promoting anything. I would think, you know, finishing up residency is a very vulnerable time. You obviously want to come out with a great record, have everybody saying great things about you. Your career is going to depend on that. So in 20, you know, so in 22 is when Ken Paxton makes this statement. That's when the hospital says, we're not doing that, but they really are behind the scenes. You're hearing all these stories.

And then a law comes around SB 14 in 2023. that's basically going to make a law about making these procedures illegal in Texas so that nobody does it. And on the sort of eve of that, you know the hospital's lying. You're hearing these horrific stories as another whistleblower ultimately will attest to, and you decide this information I'm hearing and this evidence needs to come out. You remain anonymous, but you gave that information to a podcast and decided to go live with it. Let's just take a look at that really quickly. This is Christopher Rufo.

I've been working with whistleblowers inside Texas Children's Hospital to expose the hospital's child sex change program. Here's the basic background. Last year, executives at the hospital promised that they would stop all such procedures. But I've obtained medical records indicating that they restarted the program just three days later, and they've been providing puberty blockers and other sex change hormones to children, ranging in age from 11 to 17 years old. The doctors at Texas Children's call this gender-affirming care,

but this is a deeply misleading eupomism. One doctor inside the clinic says that it is a, quote, house of horrors, that these procedures are lining up kids for permanent medicalization and doing irreversible damage. I'd like to share a clip from Dr. Patrick O'Malley, a psychiatrist who identifies with they-them pronouns, who is really that starting point at Texas Children's, bringing kids into the program

and then lining them up for medicalization. So really the mother asked me, you know, what about my parental rights? My rights is a parent. You know, really asking me, can you call my child their preferred name and pronouns? Okay. So, and I had a student with me,

and I said, you know, ma'am, you do have many parental rights. but I have to adhere to my own ethical standards as a physician. And I know the best thing to do for this child, their mental health, and really even their risk of suicide, is to provide, is to show them that respect of using the pronouns they go by, using the name they go by. The whistleblower that I talked to who has worked closely with these patients says that while they may be externally happy for a time

for a time with puberty blockers, hormones, mastectomy surgeries. This person can sense that they're deeply unhappy internally. It hasn't actually solved their problems such as depression, anxiety, family trouble, relationship trouble. Let's be clear, these whistleblowers are coming forward, even anonymously, at grave risk to their careers, at grave risk to their status, at grave risk to their financial well-being, because they believe that these children will wake up in 10 years, years. They're going to be permanently, surgically and chemically mutilated. They're going to be

really destroyed or ruined. And nobody is looking out for them. That seems like a massive risk to leak that information out, given the position you were in. What was, I want to sort of take me through the thinking, how long were you thinking about doing this? And then what made you decide to sort of pull the trigger? Yeah. I mean, it's totally right because, I mean, it's, it's, took me months to really pull the trigger and finally start reaching out to journalists in January of 2023 because, you know, once I found out they were doing these procedures, I didn't believe it, but then became more frequent. And then I discovered that the hospital was prioritizing it, you know, giving these grand round lectures. And then there was another conference where one of

the social workers who referred patients to the program explained how she bypasses scrutiny from governing medical bodies in Texas by instead of calling or like documenting the consults, she would call in to avoid the paper trail. We started revamping with the, we were starting to CPS investigations. Typically what will happen when I see a child or adolescent and it's time for HRT, you know, I refer them to a pediatrician who's, who's, who, providing gender affirming care. We consult.

I don't usually write, whether it's not that formal, it's usually just a phone call, but we became concerned as an agency, and as, you know, I was concerned I can use my license if I was going to be investigated by

generally my duty as a clinical social worker, and adhered to my social work ethics. And, you know, we just made sure we continued to vote for girls. I had to make sure I wasn't giving anything of writing to parents. And at that point, I was like, I have to do something about this. This is too egregious for me not to. And what that really comes back to and to answer your question is, you know, when I became a doctor,

when I began my surgical training in 2018, like I took an oath to take care of my patients. That extends both in the clinic, in the operating room, but outside of that. So if I see something happening in the hospital, in my environment that is so egregious, it's my professional duty to do something, but also my moral responsibility. Because I knew that if I just ignored this, went on with my life, I would never be able to live with myself because at some point I'm going to have children and I'm going to have to bring them into this world. And if I'm not willing to do anything to try to make this world better, then what kind of future am I delivering to my children? Like there has to be something at some point that animates us to take a risk to do the right thing.

Because I think for so long people in my position in the professional world of medicine have been so scared have been so timid about speaking out that we've let our profession become completely destroyed. But if we don't do something at this point, there's going to be no profession in the future for us to pass on to our children. So of course, I mean, if I didn't do something, you know, how could I ever look at myself in the mirror? So I mean, at that once I made that realization, it became pretty easy, but it took me a long time to get to that point. I want to just focus a little bit. you said in your Grand Rounds and they were prioritizing the what does that mean prioritizing how do you prioritize something that the rest of us think this is a is rare it's

rarely happening right how do you prioritize something that's rare so a grand rounds lecture in a big academic hospital is a weekly lecture that's given to the entire department in the hospital so in the case of Texas Children's that is the Department of Pediatrics which is the biggest in the world so we Whichever lectures, whichever topics they choose to give reflects the hospital's priority at that time. So if there's a certain issue in pediatrics, they want to highlight, certain new developments in pediatrics, they want their faculty and the residents to learn about, they will talk about during grand rounds. So in January of 2023, the directors of the program that supposedly did not exist were given the opportunity

to speak at the hospital's most prestigious lecture series, Grand Rouse. And in it, they were talking about their algorithmic approach to hormones, blockers, and 11, 12-year-old kids, advising general pediatricians how to ask about gender identity behind the backs of their parents. And at that point, I realized, like, this is not just some rogue doctor who's doing these interventions, and the hospital doesn't know about it. No, this is something that goes all the way to the top of the administration, like the leadership, but also the leadership of the Department of Pediatrics. So they took the sign off the door, but then just prioritized it, you know, in the background.

So even worse, they're basically saying we're training, you know, pediatricians to ask a set of questions of children when their parents are in the room. maybe they're there for a physical or whatever to sort of mind to see if they might be open to questioning it seems their sexuality in which point they get moved into this pipeline while their parents aren't aware of it to begin a conversation that then ultimately ends in gender reaffirming procedures or yeah and that's why it's such a betrayal of public trust because they said this program didn't exist, but they're doing the exact opposite, but really spreading it to all the other specialties. I mean, they had social work, psychology, psychiatry, endocrinology, and then they were expanding it to all the general pediatrics, which is a huge population of kids that were going to be exposed to this program. So, yeah, that's a big deal.

And that, and you know, it's, and once I started reaching out to journalists and January of 2023 after those lectures. I mean, I reached out to a lot of media organizations that you think would take a story like this. But I mean, I was kind of ignored by all of them because understandably, it's a crazy story. It's hard to believe that it's true. But Rufo hadn't taken the story at the perfect moment. And that was, I got in touch with him like a week and a half before the vote on that law SB 14. We have, I think we have some of the documents you provided, Rufo. Let's just take a look at some of these. What am I looking at here? It says internal TCH documents. What is this we're looking at? Yeah. So what you can see by these documents and anyone who works

at, you know, a hospital or in the world of surgery, what they can see is that you have days procedures are taking place and then age of patients and then the procedures. they're being done. And then on the right side of the screen, you can see a diagnosis. Female to male transgender person, which is a diagnosis code. For 11 year old, that says an 11 year old child. Right. Yeah. And also, so this right here, yeah, so anyone too who works with the epic electronic medical system, this is the clinics.

The bottom, I see gender dysphoria and pediatric patient, 12-year-old female we see there. It's the suprilin placement. That is where they do the peerby blocking implant into a kid under general anesthesia. And that doctor in those documents, that would be the surgeon, right? So if you have a patient who's being seen in a surgeon's clinic for puberty blockers, you can assume that that is a child who would not tolerate injections and has to undergo general anesthesia for the implant. And then you think about these parents that are the, you know, I mean, this is a crazy story. You've got the largest children's hospital in the United States of America.

They're casting now this ever growing wide net across every department of pediatrics from psychology to, you know, just general pediatrics to sort of mine for these children that could come into this program. Then they tell these parents once they've got the kid thinking that this is their solution. If you don't do this for this child, your child will potentially commit suicide at that point. Nobody's a doctor. You're not a psychiatrist. They know what they're talking about. If I don't take, even if it sounds crazy, geez, I don't want to lose my child.

I mean, the whole thing is so manipulative. Rufo gets this story out just prior to the vote for SB 14. This is his story. Doctors said that they would stop such interventions. Whistleblower documents prove that they haven't. This story comes out. How does that vote end up going? Yeah.

So, and I was the anonymous source in that story. Yeah. So I was just going on with my day. And it was funny because I was there working at the hospital. And it was like nothing even happened because we were so busy with surgery. But in this other world, everything, all this is happening. So it's covered in the news. But within 24 hours, that law SB 14 was passed with bipartisan support.

And it was because our story came out the day before that day there were multiple Democrats who voted in favor of it. And the reason I know this is because, you know, I've talked to the people who wrote that one, like Tom Oliverson, who was the Texas Senator, who initiated that bill going through to the Senate. And they had printed out physical copies of this story and put it in front of every single member of the Texas Senate.

So even if it helped a little bit, I mean, that was more than I would have ever expected. Amazing. you're affecting policy in Texas when you did find out what did that feel like i mean were you excited just was it you know what was the energy around it to just know that yeah it was surreal because i remember talking to rufo um like while it was happening the next couple of days and and it was um it was surreal because i even know sb 14 was being voted on i mean i had just been cold emailing rufeo and a bunch of other people

people for five months. Right. And then finally they get back to me like a week and a half before. And then so it was like both of us were very excited. And then and then he tells me like another whistleblower got a hold of him within a day. It took me five months. It kind of made me feel like an idiot. It takes me so long to get a hold of him. And this this other person just calls and leaves a voicemail and you know. Right. Well, I mean, but it's always hardest to be the the first one out there. And you paved the way. And obviously that opened it up and people go, wait, minute. I know that story too. All right, but it doesn't really end there. You, you know, you have this, you know, anonymous victory. Rufo's got the information out. This law gets passed in

Texas, but you get a knock at your door sometime later. Tell me about that. Yeah. Yeah, so a couple days later, I mean, everything kind of dies down and then I just go on with my life. And so this was May 2016, 2020, that was the day the story came out. May 17th was when SB 14 was voted on, got passed. And a month and a week later, June 23rd, 20203 was the day of my graduation from surgical training. And this is one of the most important days of my life, right? And it makes sense because you make so many sacrifices during those previous five years. You miss so many birthdays, important life events, because you're training to become a surgeon. that the day you graduate's really, really big deal. So your family's in town, you know,

I was getting ready for the ceremony later that night. It was a Friday around like 11, 12th in the early afternoon. So, you know, we're just getting ready. And then all of a sudden I get an aggressive knock on the door. And I'm wearing some dumb t-shirt and I shuffle over. I open the door and, you know, standing outside are two federal agents and they tell me there with health human services they show me their badges and tell me that they are investigating a case regarding

medical records and in that moment you know i kind of just freeze because you know you never imagine you would be in a situation like that but in the back of my mind somewhere i knew exactly what it was about because just a month before we had challenged the dominant political ideology yeah you know the conduct we had exposed became illegal within 24 hours of the story coming out in a bill that was passed with bipartisan support. More whistleblowers came out, right? They had they you know for the second time in 14 months the CEO said he was shutting down the program. So if a regular person like me could do something like that

then how many other people could do the same thing too and and that is evidenced by the other whistleblower, right? Right. So we knew that they were going to try to make an example allows me and they were there that day to intimidate and to, you know, and still fear, but as they've come to find out, they knocked on the wrong door. At that point, were they asking any questions, or were they just introducing themselves and letting you know we're watching you? Like, what exactly, I mean, talking about a buzzkill. I mean, it's, you know, the most important day of your life, and I'm sure that's now on the back burner as far as things you're thinking about. Yeah, well,

Well, it's a kind of funny story, but I mean, now it's kind of a funny story, but so didn't know what to do, right, when they were in the doorway. It seems like a very awkward situation. Didn't, right? So I invite them in, we sit down. And they said they wanted to do an interview with me. So they start pulling out like a tripod, started setting up a camera. But then my wife comes out. My wife's a brilliant attorney. And at the time, she had been hired as a assistant U.S. attorney in the northern. district of Texas with DOJ incidentally and she was undergoing a background check and that plays an important role later in the story but these agents didn't know um so we sit down and then uh she sits down and then we look at each other and we're like we excuse ourselves to our bedroom and um you know we close the door and we say you know what we should definitely not talk to these people without an attorney presence so right thing my wife gave me that brilliant legal advice totally We go back out, right? And we tell them that, you know, we say, you know, we appreciate you guys coming, but, you know, we won't speak with you guys without an attorney present. And they say, okay, no problem. But before leaving, they hand me a target letter. And that letter just informed me that I was a potential target of a criminal investigation. I'll read this. Dear Mr. Hame, this office is involved in an investigation dealing with federal law violations. You are a potential target in this criminal investigation. You are invited to meet with the police.

prosecutor about these matters at the United States Attorney's Office, along with an attorney of your choosing, if you so wish, to discuss the investigation. Seems pretty serious. You got a lawyer in the house. Everybody should have one of those in moments like this for sure. Yeah, and I would just like to point out if in that letter, if you pulled up, you can see in the top right corner, it says via hand delivery. And it's kind of curious as to why hand delivery, right? Like my criminal record goes to like detention in fourth grade. Right.

Like, I mean, why not email me? Why not send me a letter in the mail? Like why show up on the one most important days of my life a few hours before the graduation ceremony? So, you know, a few minutes after the door opens, right? The door closes, they leave. And my wife and I are sitting there and we know that from that moment our lives would be, you know, different forever, right? That there was that we had a decision to make, right?

Do we fight this or do we try to, you know, comply with them, right? Do we take part in an investigation that we know is fundamentally corrupt? because at that moment, I had no doubt that what they were doing was attempting to silence me as a whistleblower because there was no legal statute that was violated. And at that point in June of 2023, there was more than enough evidence from the past few years that the federal government was sending the DOJ after whistleblowers and targeting their political opponents. So, of course, it was not a mystery as to why they were there. So I hadn't understood that, you know, I was just in that situation.

So, you know, would we just kneel to this ideology or would we fight back? And what we decided to do was fight back. And that's exactly what we did. So, you know, what did we do in that situation? Well, we, you know, opened some champagne and drank it on our patio and, you know, listened to Vietnam War music, you know, plan our war strategy and how to fight back. I mean, it sounds kind of crazy, but it's like, what are you doing that situation? There's nothing to do.

Like, if, if just like for the same reason that I came out as a whistleblower in the first place, like if I'm not willing to do this for the future of my children, then, and if I'm not willing to fight against this corrupt investigation, then what kind of world am I delivering my children into? Because my wife is 18 weeks pregnant, right? We're having our first kid. And like, I want her. her to grow up and have the same opportunity as I had. But if she goes into medicine and she does

the right thing, she does what's virtuous and fulfills her professional responsibility, I don't want her to be targeted by the most powerful federal viathan in the history of the world. So that day, you know, there was no option for us. Like we had to fight back. We had to do it with every fiber of our being. What is the accusation being made? What are the sort of the charges that you have been dealing with? what did they try mean obviously they have to manufacture something because there's nothing there yeah it's um it's a curious question because i i really couldn't give you an answer and i don't think they really understand either but um and that that can be um you know for anyone who's wondering you know they can look at it then themselves because from that day for and then for about five or

six months after that, you know, we went to this kind of legal purgatory and my attorneys had blown the whistle themselves to Congress with what they had experience coming from the Department of Justice in this prosecutor in particular. And the conduct was so egregious that they felt obligated to. And what their letter outlines that they sent to Congress is that you have someone who, this prosecutor, who, is going after a whistleblower in a malicious prosecution who, you know, in the very initial part of it didn't even know what she was investigating. And even though she didn't understand what the facts of the case were, she did enough research to find out that my wife was undergoing a background check to become an assistant U.S. attorney and had brought that up

and said, you know, she was surprised that Andrea had interfered with this investigation in that she won't have any problems unless she continues to become difficult. And that's something that's outlined in that letter. And if there was any part of any part of that letter that was untrue or any part of my story that was untrue, then you know that there is a cease and assist letter waiting on their desk, waiting to be sent, but hasn't been sent. And we've told this story to tens of millions of people. So.

Right. But still, I mean, Is this investigation still ongoing at this moment right now? We have no idea. Okay. I have no idea. But yeah, I mean, what they said was that there was patient have confidentiality, but of course, I mean, that doesn't apply.

Or whether it was access, but I worked there, right? So there was no credence to any of their allegations. And, but it makes sense as to why they would try to target someone like me because, you know, for a doctor, especially someone in my position, who's just starting their career. If you have federal agents at your door, people are going to just admit to something, right? Just to make it all go away.

And just to get on with their lives. But I mean, I just refuse to do that. And I feel like because we fought back that, you know. I'm sure this is sort of a question I really ask a lot of the guests. What do you think is really going on here? I mean, isn't it a bit odd? that you're dealing with Texas, a Texas law, SB 14, you have a local hospital, all this is local,

and then suddenly helping human services, you sort of have this, you know, outside the state. What is the agenda? Like, why do they care? Yeah, and I think it's, you bring up a really, really good point because when you think about the timeframe between the story coming out on May 16th and then showing up of my,

door June 23rd. That is a remarkably, remarkably fast period of like a very short period of time. Yeah. For them to mobilize federal resources, get a investigation complete, assign a assistant U.S. attorney, find out where I live, find out when I'm going to be home, when my graduation is, and then send those people to my door in a plan, you know, to interview me. So we know that's very, a short timeframe because my wife is an assistant US attorney and works with HHS on cases in the healthcare industry. So we know for a fact that things like this take like over a year Oh no, trust me. I sue Health of Human Services really almost for a living with this show. We just deal with the Department of Justice when we asked to just see the, you know, the Pfizer

records on the COVID vaccine. They wanted 75 years. years to provide it. So I'm well aware of how much time they think they need to get around to doing something. Yeah, but when they're when they're motivated, they can mobilize all these resources that no one thought could be done at the speed of life and then really deploy them in a expeditious manner. And especially when it comes to going after innocent Americans, you know, it shows where their priorities are, but to answer your question specifically, I think this is a priority of the current administration, especially the current leadership of health and human services. And you can see that in their federal regulations and their orders that they are trying to mandate into the health care

industry. For example, I believe it's Rule 1557, which states that health care workers have to abide by preferred pronouns. They have to include it in the medical records. So if you have a man who believes he's a woman, you have to include that in your documentation, which of course makes things profoundly dangerous and very confusing. And when you're operating on people, that's that's something that can introduce an unimaginable degree of risk into these chaotic, unpredictable situations. Wow. Are you concerned at all that this affects your career now? I mean, you're still speaking out. We won't get into, you know, you are, you know, are in practice now. Are you, do you feel like you're at risk continue to tell this story?

Well, yeah, I think that, of course, I think I'm always going to be at risk if you stand up and and do something like this, of course. You know, luckily for me, I was, I had a job, you know, like a couple of months. I had signed a contract before all of this happened. And, you know, I work in a place where, you know, in a very small town outside of Dallas, where, you know, it's small town America,

where people still know each other's names and people still look at this and see that, see it for what it is, which is child abuse. And, you know, the, The major way it's affected my job is that, you know, I get letters every week from people who thank me for speaking out. And I feel privileged and honored to get those, truly. So, I mean, I'm in a busy practice to operate. You know, I've been in my practice just for about six months and already a couple hundred cases.

Wow. Big Surgery. So for you. Yeah, very busy. When you think about all that time as you were watching the. story is that from that time that hospital is prioritizing all these cases. In the grand rounds, one of the things that, you know, you talk about is, you know, one of the things that we hear that they say is that, oh, well, this is temporary. You could always undo it. You can reverse it.

If you, you know, this is just these gender blockers, it's not permanent. I've heard Lucas perspective. She had some permanent things done and then is trying to undo that. But from a doctor's perspective, can you help me understand where are we at with gender blocking? Is that, I mean, and puberty blocking. Is that a temporary solution that can be undone? It's, uh, the way it's prescribed by these doctors, it is irreversible. And there's a story from a journalist named Megan Brock. And it is these never released videos from W-Path, which is the World Professional Association

for transgender health. And these were videos that were never supposed to be seen by the public, but you have one of the doctors in these videos pretty much admit that the way they're prescribing these blockers, it is not reversible at all. We talk about puberty suppression as reversible. Okay. I'm adding an asterisk to it.

It might not be a popular asterisk to add. It's reversible if you were to stop it. Okay, so that's a hypothetical. How often do people go on to blockers with the intention of just stopping it and seeing what happens? Right? So what's challenging is that it does prevent young people ultimately who are appropriate to move forward with more irreversible treatments to prevent them from going through two puberties. We all know that one puberty is difficult enough.

Okay. So if you go through two puberty, think about how challenging that can be. for someone, okay? So that's the benefit of puberty suppression, and one does not develop the incorrect puberty changes for them, okay? But there's challenges with puberty suppression that we have to acknowledge,

and that's why it's reversible asterisk. One cannot be on puberty suppression endlessly. Say you give one of these blockers to a child, maybe one time and it lasts for a few months, but they never go on. after that. Yeah, you can't really say it's reversible, but the effects are limited. Because you gave the drugs to this child, it can never be reversed because it's already been done. You can't change what's already been done to human physiology. So you can necessarily say it's reversible. What you can't say

is that the effects are minimal. But in the case of the quote unquote gender affirming care guidelines they are meant to be on puberty blockers for the entirety of puberty then meant to go on to cross-sex hormones and then surgeries the any alternative any alternatives or like like exit ramps are blocked with the threat of their own suicide so if one of these children were saying you know what i actually think that i am um these these are not for me right that I want to pursue something else. Well, these doctors say, well, that's conversion therapy. And you're at risk for suicide.

So they're blocking those potential pathways, which is why that 95, 98% of the children who are started on puberty blockers, 10, 11, 12 years old at Tanner stage 2, which is the pre-pubertal sexual development stage before the onset of puberty where they have, like before the onset of secondary sexual characteristics like the growth of breast, the growth of penile tissue and pubic hair, you know, 95, 98% of those kids go on to get cross-sex hormones who are blocked because of the way these protocols are developed and guided.

Yeah. Wow. It's really an incredible story. And I think, you know, you're, giving us a view inside of how this system and this machinery works. What are your thoughts now as you think of your own children, but for all the people that watch our show and their friends out there, what should your average person that's got a child? I mean, and I have friends that have reached out to me and said, Dahlian, I know you're covering this issue.

I will tell you we have a child that is having some form of gender dysphoria, and is, there's nowhere to go for us if we wanna try a different route through this. Every psychiatrist we find, every people, they're all saying the same thing, they gotta go on gender blockers, they're gonna commit suicide.

And you know, these are people that, I mean, I'm not putting down the people that get sucked into that, I get how that happens, but these are like my people that actually realize there might be something going on and they can't find a therapist anywhere, to take their side that maybe there's another approach. I mean, this thing is sort of systemic

through all pediatric care and psychology right now. Yeah, so what you should do is if you know those people or if anyone is listening who is in that situation, then they should email me. And I can put them in contact with therapists who will do the right thing and guide them through whatever problems they are going through. right because you have to tell these children that they're perfect the way they are that going through

puberty is hard and being able to get through those challenges will that they'll become stronger for it and like they'll take those lessons that they learn during those times into adulthood and that will make them better but really yeah so if you know those people you should tell them email me email me at atanheim at proton dot me really okay that's fine that's my personal email E-I-T-H-A-N-H-A-I-M-M- as married. People have before, and they're saying the same thing. Like, this is a major problem, and I have no idea where to go. And, yeah, I'll respond and I'll put them in the right direction.

Fantastic. Yeah, because it's horrifying. There's, especially ever since I came out, you realize how there's these huge networks of parents, even in the Dallas area, who have banded together, who have children who've fallen into this pipeline. And you have, the stories are absolutely heartbreaking because you have kids, you know, and their parents are great parents. But their kids were influenced by someone in their school. And without the parents knowing, they come out one day and say that, you know what, I'm transgender.

And I need these blockers or these hormones. And if I don't get it, I'm going to kill myself. And the parents are so surprised that they have no idea how to respond. But these parents have formed these groups in big cities. And it's kind of like this underground network of families who support each other. And at least in the area in Texas, I know all these people because I've been in contact with them. And they're very supportive and they'll do, they do a lot. I mean, it's a entirely different story.

But what these parents have done, you know, behind the scenes is, is pretty amazing. Yeah, warrior parents is, you know, a phenomenon. I feel lucky, especially warrior moms and many of the work that I do that have just figured out a way through and are passing laws and working with, you know, politicians and things to make changes. I want to really thank you for taking time. I want to thank you for being so brave.

Man, this world would be a better place that people would just, you know, come out, speak the truth, speak your mind, do what's right. It's so scary because it's so rare. I think if we had more people like you, we would find this whole thing we get cleaned up a lot quicker. I know you have ongoing legal expenses as you're beating back to Department of Justice or Health and Human Services and whatever's going on there. Do you have a page or something where people can help you out? Yeah, yeah. So we have a Givesendgo. It's Givesendgo.com for slash Texas underscore whistleblower. Okay.

And, you know, it's important for people know, I mean, you know, we've, we spent over $10,000 in these legal expenses because we knew we had to fight back. And I don't say that as like, you know, as like I'm a victim, right? Because, you know, it's like a privilege to be able to take on this fight and push back. But really, at this point, we know that this has to be just as much about offense as it is. about defense. Right. So much of that legal fund is going towards offensive measures to hold the individuals who've abused their authority accountable. And that's exactly what we're doing. So my attorneys had sent this letter to Congress to Jim Jordan, who is in charge of the House

Subcommittee on the weaponization of the DOJ. And our goal is to get an investigation into the hospitals, the Department of Justice for using their authority to go after whistleblowers because we can't live in a country where this is able to go unchallenged or these people are able to remain in their positions because if I just tell this story it's meaningless right yeah it doesn't mean anything unless we translate that to to results and what those results are are these people not being in their positions anymore, not only in DOJ, but also in HHS, but also with the hospital too, because Texas Children's is really the best hospitals in the world. They do some of the best work. I mean, I worked there for years, five years, but you have this segment of the administration of the

hospital who have violated the trust that their patients placing them, and they have to be held accountable for doing that. Yes, indeed. Dr. Hym, I want to thank you for taking the time. Thank you for being brave, for stepping out. You're really a great representation of what we want more out of doctors. It's really scary how much they seem to tow the line, whatever they're told in grand rounds they roll with, and we've seen that in so many different ways. I'm right there with you. I love that you are bringing pressure, that you're bringing this case to Jim Jordan and to representatives and looking to get an investigation into the weaponization of DOJ working with regulatory agencies like HHS all of this stuff

it's so scary how health is being has like a police force around it now and the decisions that we make it's just not where we should be anywhere in the world but certainly not the United States of America that's supposed to be practicing freedom freedom of speech freedom of information freedom of medical choice, all of it. So very important story. And I want to thank you for taking the time sharing that with us today. Yeah. And thank you so much for having me on. It really is. It's a privilege to be able to talk to you. All right. You take care. And then keep us posted as things go along. Hopefully you're able to just shut this down. You'll just be next time when you're really

bringing to Casey and got on the ropes. So let us know, okay? Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. All right. Look, I mean, this is for all of you out there. Let's just bring up the give us and go one more time. I love warriors. They're rare. You're used to it here at the high wire, but why don't we help Dr. Itan Haim, you know, make a difference here. You can feel his heart, you can feel the soul. Let's definitely support those people that are setting out to make a difference. You know, if you're out there, a lot of this information is coming. You know, we do this great show. Some people really like to read that information, though. And sometimes you just want to hand some friends something to just take a look at this.

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uh that used to be just accepted it used to be accepted that you were supposed to be protecting your child now they're moving you out of the room they're moving you out of the room you should be asking yourself why but don't leave the room on your life don't check out we are we can no longer do that if there's one thing you should be learning from the high wire is that people you trust that maybe even mean well are not doing their homework. They don't know how to do their homework. They don't know who to listen to for the right information.

They certainly don't know how to do research. If the head of their hospital is saying, this is how it goes, that must be how it goes. If the head of the government is telling them, this is what you're going to say in the news, then that's what they're going to say in the news. The head of the pharmaceutical company that pays their bills is writing them a little check on the side.

They're going to tell you there's no evidence of science here that we can find anywhere. Not true. I hate to say it, but it's a bit of the Wild West out here. And all the precautions and all of the stopgaps and the safety protocols that used to exist in society are no longer. The foxes have taken control of the hen house, and you should act accordingly. At this point, skepticism is healthy. It's important. You should care about yourself. You should care about your kids. Trust your wife. Those are close to you, and the rest of them, be skeptical. All the questions you can think of. Get a second opinion. But stay in the room with your children

and your life. You're the only one that cares about it as much as you do. We're going to continue to give you all of the evidence. And even when we're proving right and they still call us conspiracy theories, we're going to put up with that. And maybe you should learn to put up with it too. The truth doesn't matter what they call you. It just matters that it's yours. You have it, you own it, and you know how to talk about it. And that's what the high water is all about. I'll see you next week.