The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 376: THE ART OF WAR

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

Del Clears Misconceptions Around ICAN Legislate’s ‘vaccine confidence bill’; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on a Wave of Populist wins in EU elections focusing on candidates pushing back against the globalist agenda, and the ‘Bird Flu’ fervor and comparisons to early COVID; mRNA Pioneer joins Del for a Sweeping Conversation on the future of the dangerous technology, his experience on the frontlines, and much more.Guest: Robert Malone, MDBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. Well, I had an interesting week, but I want to start out by telling just a short story about how I grew up. I've said many times my parents pulled me out of school. in fourth grade and started homeschooling me. And they raised me with one central principal, which is always question authority. Be your own voice, trust your own intuition, you know, follow that guiding light.

Your connection to God is all that matters, and no one overrides that. And so I've said before, and I've attempted to do this with my own kids, it's a very difficult way to raise a family because your children challenge you all the time. Why? Because in their world, you're that authority that needs to be challenged. And so in our house, we have a rule that you're allowed to make any argument against even, you know, chores you're being asked to do. But you get one argument. If it's a winning argument, okay, then you're out of it. I want to create debate. I want to create discussion of my family. And it's also how I run this show. One of the main things I tell most of you or all of you all the time is that, first of all, I'm not telling. you what to think. I'm trying to show you how to think. And I'm also demanding that you be critical thinkers and really ask questions. I've said before that, you know, that media or the news is the fourth branch of government. It's what our founding father said that if we did not have a free press that was willing to ask the hardest questions, whether sensible or not,

of our government agencies, of our corporations, then we would not have a free country. You have to be free to ask whatever question you want. And therefore, as stating that, as I do to my kids, you have every right to ask me any question you want. And you have every right to challenge it or discuss, you know, where is Del coming from? Is he right on this? Is he wrong? That is what free thinking is all about and I invite it. But I also want to invite that when you have those conversations that you actually do some research like you see me do on the

show that you look deeply into whatever accusations being made and follow it through. Try to imagine, look at the background of the people that are talking, that are telling the story, and then look at our background on the high wire. What is it we stand for? Who are we? Let's say all of this because this week, a few turns were thrown around that get thrown around a lot. One of them being this one, controlled opposition. The definition is controlled opposition is the use of a black propaganda and saboteurs who claim to oppose a particular faction, but are in fact working for the faction. Now, throughout the years, ever since I made Vax back in 2016 and got involved in this

conversation around vaccines, on occasion, someone will say, that person's controlled opposition. Oh, don't talk to that person, their controlled opposition. Dell, if you stand on a stage with that person, then I'm going to know your controlled opposition. Oh, is Dell controlled opposition? This word gets thrown around a lot, and if you've been in this movement for even like five days, you've probably already heard it. Now, at the heart of this is this question.

What is controlled opposition? Is this an insider working against the entire machine? Well, that came up this week. And it's based on a bill that is on our legislative website. I can legislate. It's called the vaccine confidence bill. Now, there's a few things before I even get into this conversation today. I want to make clear.

I can legislate is the vaccine. not a part of the ICAN network as far as our C3 is concerned. Our C3 is a nonprofit. We cannot be involved in any legislation whatsoever. All of the donations that come into ICANN or the highwire only go to the work that we do as a nonprofit and to the highwire. So this legislative action website is the legislative arm. It's a C4. You can donate to it.

You don't get a tax deduction. and everything is revealed very different. And there's a different group of people that want to dedicate funding to that legislative process. So to be clear, in this story in one of the comments this week that came out is you're using the, you know,

non-profits money, that is not true. They are completely and totally separate. Now, at the heart of this conversation, there are several posts, and many of you were even talking about it last week during our feed. We were going to ignore it and just let it go and thought it would blow away.

But some people I asked, love and trust reached out and many of you, so many commented that we decided, you know what, we better set the record straight. Now, today, I am not going to out anybody. I'm going to cover everybody's identity because I mean no harm against anybody. I don't know if some of you are bad actors, if you're trying to tear down I can in the work that Highwire does, or maybe you're just misinformed, or maybe you're just genuinely confused. Either way, we're going to set the record straight today, but I don't want anyone's names, and I don't want anyone being attacked in the middle of this. I've had enough attack this week, and that's really all this is about, and I'm willing

to accept it. So here is one of the people that put out some substacks and videos, we're not going to name, had this comment that I think sets the stage for what I'm talking about. Take a listen to this. This is it, informed consent action network. And if you watch Del Bigtree, you've probably heard of this because he is the founder and there is some action that they're taking, which is very troubling to me. And here we go. I'm going to share my screen. And this is called the, you know, I'm just going to call it what it's called, the vaccine confidence bill. Does this rub anybody the wrong way that they are, have created a model bill to be introduced into different state legislatures? and here it is right here working on being introduced, and it was already introduced in Idaho and Arizona, Oklahoma, and Louisiana.

I'm going to break this down for you, but right off the bat, I will tell you that I don't care for the name. And I will also let you know that we reached out to this agency, to this group, and ask them to please explain why they created a bill with this name. All right, let's bring up the website. because, as this person is stating, it's the name that bothers them, the vaccine confidence bill. And the question being, why would I can push a bill designed to create vaccine confidence? Some of you tweeted and some of you were on different programs, but here's a couple of the other statements that were made.

Mr. Siri, would you shed some light on this, please? Why is Dell now presenting a vaccine competence bill that includes verbiage to remove the possibility of exemptions from mandates? Another person wrote, what about your documentaries, Dell? They were so full of important information, and Aaron's work has been incredible in fighting against mandates, but this new bill is horrendous. I think you need to explain this. Have you been flipped, or were you just playing a very long game? I'm actually devastated, and I doubt I'm the only one. I think you need to explain this.

Okay. So this has happened several times. This is one of the biggest times, which is why we're here today. An explanation is wanted. Now, normally, when you think of strategy, sometimes explaining it isn't always the best thing to do on like primetime television or in this case on primetime internet. But I'm going to attempt to do that. And to understand what this is really all about, I kind of want to reference a historical story that we all grew up with. I'm going to tell the story of the Trojan horse.

And as the story of the Trojan horse goes, it's one of the most cunning acts of deception there's ever been. After about a 10-year siege on the city of Troy, the Greeks devised a clever plan to finally breach its walls. They constructed a massive wooden horse and left it outside of the gates of Troy, pretending it was a gift, symbolizing their retreat. You win. The Trojans, believing they had won, brought the horse inside their city as a trophy, and they all celebrated, we won. A little did they know what we all now know, that it was filled with Greek soldiers. And under the cover of night, these soldiers emerged, opened the gates for their comrades, and ultimately it led to the downfall of Troy. Now, we all know that story.

It's a famous story in battle folklore and myth and, you know, the reality at different times. The strategy has probably been used again. Now, imagine, if you will, a scenario where history told a little bit different story. What if the story went that the Greeks built this giant Trojan horse and they put it, I mean this giant Trojan horse and put it outside the gates of Troy. It was filled with soldiers, but one of the soldiers grabbed the mastermind of this incredible idea and say, hey, I think you're controlled opposition. While you go ahead and explain to the rest of us exactly why you just built a giant horse and are giving a gift to our enemy, how would that story have turned out? How would history tell that story? Most likely that story would end with the Trojans firing burning arrows into it outside of the gates

that it would never enter and kill all of the soldiers inside. There's a reason why when you're trying to be strategic, you don't express your strategy to the public, especially when you know, as I do, that Tadros watches my show. Hello, out there head of the WHO. The heads of CDC and FDA, there are departments. We have done FOIA requests, and we know they actually watch our show. And when we were censored, they celebrated inside the CDC in their emails. Yay, the witch is dead.

So they're watching, and I am going to discuss this now today, knowing exactly that they're watching. But enough of you, as I've said, have asked questions that I'm going to go ahead and reveal the strategy. because I think what's important as we move forward, and I do not believe this battle is over in any stretch of the imagination. We're going to be discussing later in this show the bird flu and the growing belief that this looks like this year's pandemic and maybe another opportunity to lock us down. How are we going to stop it?

What are we going to do? How are we going to communicate? Who's running the strategy? All of this very important. So I'm going to give up this strategy today because I want you to understand how we think here at the highwire, how Aaron Siri and I work together when we bring together legal ideas and legislation. And let me be perfectly clear, it's all on the table.

You'd be mind blown by some of the things we think about doing, don't do. Sometimes we do. Some is in the wings. But in this case, it's the vaccine confidence bill. Now, to return to that, let's return to one of these videos that was put out because I think it explains at the heart of it, the real confusion and frustration. So once again, take a listen to this. So the title of this bill is an act to increase vaccine confidence. It also reinforces the notion of these shots being required. Like, no, they might be, you may say, well, you don't live in my state. They require them for my children to go to school. Well, you're dealing with a government agency. Why are your children going to a public school? There are so many superior alternatives. Then it states that this would only be for certain shots that do not, meet the minimal standards, meaning you don't get an exemption for the other shots.

How is that good? How is this something that you want to promote into a state legislature? Now, for those of you that tuned into this program, I can see why you maybe got panicked. And I don't know if you went and actually read it yourself or went through it, but we're going to do that together now. But before I do, there's a statement that I want to push back against, which is this idea, and some of you have it, that there's no such thing as a vaccine mandate. You just don't agree to it, which I'm all about. No one has said more often than I have, just resist, stay away from it. And I agree, if you can homeschool, you should homeschool.

You should have your kids out of the public school system. But where we disagree is I am aware that not everybody has the ability to make that choice. Some of you are single parents. You're working so hard in a destroyed economy, afflation through the roof. You're just trying to hold it all together. and one thing you cannot do is find the time to educate your child yourself, but you don't, under those circumstances, want to have to vaccinate your kid. And in California, there's not even a private school you're allowed into.

So for you, mandates are very real. And so this idea that there's no such thing as a mandate is not true. And for those people that are stuck in those situations, exemptions are your only way out for now. Now, let me state very clearly that the mission of the informed consent action network, mission, the high wire, Aaron's mission in all the work that we do is to end mandates forever. I don't believe that any medical intervention should ever be mandated upon you. And we are working to get to that final end. It starts by waking up the hearts and minds of the people, which is what the high wire does every single week. But ultimately, you have to deal with legislators and you have to deal

with government because as long as they're bringing it, for those of you that tried to get on a plane during COVID and weren't allowed to without proof of vaccination, for those of you trying to go to work but lost your job because you refused to because you didn't have a vaccination and could not show proof of it, those mandates were real. And so unlike this person is talking, I actually care about you too. Just because some of us have opted out, just because I have a job where I can say, hey, man, stay in your ground. I get it. I work at the a highwire. I'm not losing my job over that conversation. I also pulled my kids out of school because luckily my wife and I are together and we're able to do that. But it's not fair to say that

everybody can do that. And we've got to care about everyone in this situation, which is what I can does. Some of the things are for those that will never touch a vaccine in your lives, homeschool their kids, and are moving forward. But what about those that have no other choices? How do we help them? And by the way, how close do you think we are to removing mandates forever from the government? I will tell you this. As many wins as we've had and as many victories as we've had, we are a long way away from the entire government, enough of them voting to say, that's it, we're never mandated a vaccine again. Now, I could stand my ground. I could walk into every politician's office and say, I'm an anti-vaccine, I'm here to eradicate vaccines from the planet.

How far does that conversation go? Now, it's great on a podcast, no doubt. And if all you want to do is put out a podcast, it's really a great talking point. And it gets really exciting, but it goes nowhere when you're trying to achieve certain things like passing a bill. Now, let's look at this bill in closer detail. Here's what it's called. It's called the Vaccine Confidence Bill. And as it states, the title, an act to increase vaccine confidence.

Oh, my God, what's Dell thinking? I get it. This is the point. Purpose assures the public that an exemption exists for required vaccines that do not meet certain minimal requirements. It does say right there that it's only for the ones that do not meet certain minimal requirements. And the justification of this is adding this exemption will increase confidence in mandated vaccines. Definitely on its face. You can see why anyone is saying, Dell, what are you thinking?

All right, let's go to the rest of it. Right there where you are. limited informed consent exemption to mandate vaccines. A, this is what the bill says. To increase public confidence in vaccines, the department shall public publicize that an exemption exists for required vaccines that do not meet the minimal standards provided in this part. Let's look at this very closely.

We are asking that the, you know, to increase public confidence in vaccines, what we're saying is you should publicize to the entire public that an exemption exists. This is something that never happens. Many of you know that when you're told that you have to vaccinate your kids to go to school, do they tell you, by the way, our state has an exemption, as do all but five states. And what we're directly involved with at the Highwire and ICANN is to free the five. It's where a lot of your donations are going. We are trying to get exemptions in all those other states. And by the way, to everybody that attacked us this week and everybody has put out videos, did any of you ever win back an exemption for an entire state?

Because we did. we won back the religious exemption for Mississippi. Doesn't sound to me something that controlled opposition would do. Why would you successfully destroy a vaccine mandate in a state? Can't imagine what benefit that has to the machine and to the system. But put all that aside. This is the work that we do. Now, let's look at how this works.

Now, ultimately, you've got to announce as an exemption. We want that right away. We believe that right now, today, everyone should be. being told you have an exemption in place. Now, let's look at the next section of this. Notwithstanding any other law, meaning this is just stands on its own, a person who is required to receive a vaccine for any purpose, whether it's a COVID pandemic or getting into a job or whatever they're stating, you may claim an exemption from the vaccine requirement if, and only if there is not a vaccine approved by the FDA to fulfill the requirement that meets the

following criteria. Now, this is where this person is really panicked. Well, I mean, what about the ones that do make this requirement? Then we have to take those? For those of you that have watched the high wire long enough, you know where this is going. And I hope when you looked at this bill, and I'm assuming probably 85 to 90 percent of you already looked and says, oh, this is a bunch of hullabaloo, but not enough. So let's go through it. All right? So back to this. Number one, this is four critical things these vaccines need to do, and if they don't, you get an automatic exemption. The clinical trial, the FDA relied upon to approve the vaccine evaluated its safety for at least one year long after it was administered against a control group that only received either a placebo

or another vaccine that meets all the requirements in this paragraph, meaning another vaccine that went through a placebo trial and proved to be safe against a placebo. Well, let's listen again, to some of the outcry just about this part of this bill. Listen to this. The purpose is to assure the public that an exemption exists for the required cocktails that do not meet certain minimal requirements. Well, right off the bat, you may say, that's fantastic. Of course we want an exemption. But did you read the rest of the sentence? For the cocktails that do not meet certain minimal requirements. That means that there is no exemption for the other ones. I don't know, maybe it was an intern who wrote this law and they didn't

really know what they were doing. I just, there's so much wrong with it. They may claim an exemption from the requirement if there is not a vaccine approved by the FDA to fulfill the requirement that meets the following criteria. So again, they're putting forth this premise that a person can be required to get the shot. And then the big if negates everything that came prior to it. So then it says, You can't get an exemption. That's what this bill is saying. This bill basically says you are not allowed to get an exemption. You do not have a right to be exempt if the FDA tested it safety for at least one year

against a control group and get this that got a placebo or another cocktail. The whole thing is ludicrous. This entire bill is promoting the use of cocktails. There's no other way that I can interpret it because, This is exactly what they have. You have to learn how to read between the lies. You have to learn how to read between the lies, as they put it. Okay.

So on one hand, I will say that just the fact that that was read that way shows how incredibly clever this is and perhaps a little too clever for some and I'm sorry about that. But as I said, it's a strategy. Now, what is being said is that, first of all, there's a false statement being made. There's nothing in this bill that overrides any of the other exemptions. What we have just done with this bill, should it pass, is add a brand new exemption on top of all the exemptions that exist. This one would cover every state that got it. And what we've laid out is four principles, the first one being it has to have been through a placebo control trial.

What this person doesn't know, and if they're on our side, should know, is that not a single vaccine has ever been through a long-term trial over one year with a placebo. Not one of them. We have this on our website at I Can Decide.org, the Childhood Vaccine Trial Summary Chart. It lays out what you will find if you look it out, and what you will find is that not a single vaccine that is on the childhood schedule ever went through a double-blind placebo-based trial prior to licensure, and none of them go over more than six months and certainly not the year that's being required. Let's look at the other points, shall we?

Number two in this is the department posts on its website, the issue. injuries or diseases caused by the vaccine and the rate at which the injury or disease occurs from the vaccine. This is something that would be really awesome. Can you imagine if they had to tell you how many people get injured by vaccines every year, they don't do that. There's no informed consent, which is the heart of our name, the informed consent action network. We're demanding that you post exactly how many injuries happen, what those injuries are, how they're caused on your website, and that doctors have to tell you before you take the product. That would be true informed consent. And by the way, informed consent still has the word consent in it. After you've

been informed, you still have the right to consent or to not consent, something that seems to be misunderstood by a lot there out there. Let's look at number three. The department posts on its website, the injuries or diseases caused, I'm sorry, number three, the list of permanent disability or death from the vaccine has been proven to be less than that caused by the infection it is intended to prevent. Everyone that went through COVID knows that this didn't happen. we have kids that got the vaccine that had a death rate of 0.0002% from the disease, but a much higher rate of myocarditis and all the other issues. There is the reality of how dangerous this virus was.

In fact, if you were under the age of 70, at worst, you had about a 0.5% risk. And, you know, the younger you got, the less dangerous it got. But for the vaccine, it's just as dangerous for everybody. Look how many people have been injured by that vaccine. in 1.6 million reports to bears on the COVID vaccine alone. All right, let's just go to number four as we look at this. The vaccine's manufacturer has liability for the deaths for serious injuries, meaning that this exemption will exist for every vaccine that the manufacturers are liable,

meaning the 1986 Act cannot apply to the vaccine or we get an automatic exemption. It's a no-brainer. Do you see how this works? Now, granted, we are working to remove the end. 86 vaccine injury compensation act, which totally took away the liability from the manufacturer and the doctor and everybody that gives it, which means there's no free market system making this a better product. There's no incentive to do the proper safety trials.

All of that is dead because of the liability protection. And what we're saying here is ultimately, if it's got liability protection and I got no way to sue them, I get an automatic exemption. Okay. So that's it on its face. And let me just say this. There is no vaccine in history that can meet all for those requirements. So any idea that we're only protecting you with this bill from those that, you know,

meet these requirements that's every vaccine made. And for those that try to make vaccines, they'd be the first to tell you there's no way really to make a vaccine that meets these requirements. Or at least if you ever did, you'd have to still put liability. This is our placebo pyramid scheme showing you that none of the vaccines we give our kids ever went through a true placebo trial and long-term study. But let's get to part two of why we made this bill and the real reason. The odds that we will totally pass this bill aren't very good, but it's something that we work on.

And as was stated, we have brought this. We've actually had this for years in Idaho and Arizona. But what it really is is a tool. This is what this legislative bill does. It teaches people. It teaches people who are not thinking clearly and don't have the critical thinking skills that we talk about every day to start critically thinking. One of the things that so many of you ask me is, Del, how do I talk to my relative that is just really believes in this vaccine program? They just won't look at the science.

They won't do anything. And I would say, well, start by asking a series of questions. Ask them why they think they do. Meet them where they're at. That is what this bill is designed to do. designed to meet our politicians where they're at. If I asked you right now, how many politicians in the United States of America do you think would state that I am vaccine hesitant? How about how many politicians, senators and congressmen and assembly members would say, I'm an anti-vaxxer? Probably

almost none, maybe a couple that are starting to really wake up. So how do we get them to stop killing and injuring people. Because if this fall we have another pandemic and they rush another vaccine onto the market, then I want to make sure we protect those people. I'm not happy with those of us, the millions that are watching this show right now and the millions that tune into all the work that Robert Malone, who's going to be on the show coming up. And those of us that are really speaking out, it's not enough. I'm not happy that we are doing fine right now, that we're really happy we didn't get the COVID vaccine while we watch children dying football fields and soccer fields and news anchors dropping out from behind their desk.

I don't feel good about that. That I told you so is the worst I told you so to ever have to state. So I want to save those people too. I want to save those people that believe in this system. How do I do it? I go right where their belief is. And you know where it's at? Right now, they're actually starting to ask a question about the COVID vaccine.

They're recognizing that Trump's warp speed put it under the market, too. fast. It didn't go through proper safety trials. It doesn't actually stop transmission and it does clinically prove to cause myocarditis and pericarditis and there's real questions on whether it's more dangerous than the disease itself.

All the things of what this bill is about. So imagine we walk into that person that's just cracked the door and say, hey, I think this COVID vaccine was dangerous and frankly I'm a legislator and I got kids in school and I don't want my kids to have to get this vaccine. Now sure,

They still believe all the vaccines are okay, except for the COVID vaccine, but they want a mechanism by which they can protect their kids. In comes the vaccine confidence bill, because they know the competence of vaccines have dropped because of the COVID vaccine. And the forcing it on, everybody, freaked everybody out, so they want to do the right thing. And so we say, let us introduce you to the vaccine confidence bill. What this does is set out a set of rules so that the people in this state, the citizens of business, this state will know that our state legislator cares enough to make sure that any product that's mandated upon us has been properly tested, that we're aware there's an exemption if it's not, that they, you know, have taken away liabilities so that we can sue, and all of these basic

principles, which most politicians, believe it or not, think is exactly what every vaccine has gone through. And they think, great, this will protect us from the COVID vaccine. And any future bird flu vaccine or monkeypox vaccine that may be rushed onto the market. Their game, they're in and say, sign me up, I'm in. I'm a Republican. I'm a Democrat, but that I understand. And by the way, they are signing on. And guess what happens next?

The moment they all start signing on, what happens? Well, now all of a sudden the Trojan horse has come inside of the city walls. And now the lobbyists come running out. The Barbicago lobbyists come running into their office as they, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop. Stop, stop, stop, stop. Don't bring that in here. Why? What's going on? Well, it says that you have to properly safety trial. You have to have long-term trials against placebos. Yeah, I know. I mean, that seems obvious, doesn't it? And I don't want the COVID vaccine. I'm fine with all the other vaccines have been through this process. No, you don't understand.

None of them have been through this process. We've never safety tested any of them. They've never been tested against a placebo. If you pass this bill, people will be able to exempt out of every single vaccine ever made. What? And that what isn't, they'll be able to exempt out, the what is, you're telling me none of the childhood vaccines meet these simple requirements. They've never been tested against a placebo. Like every other drug I give my grandparents.

That is what is happening across this country because of this bill. And yes, we are getting calls. And yes, we are feeling those calls. And then we're bringing in the science that they have never read because now they're curious. Now they went in thinking they could save a vaccine program for the safe vaccines only to discover there's no such thing. There. There's probably a few other reasons that Aaron Siri would want me to get into, but I think I've made my point. Now, are we being clever?

Sure. And when I ask you this, as we are clearly outmanned, outnumbered, outfunded, we've got a globalist system we talk about every single week that I said last week in Geneva, Switzerland is building an empire to take away your rights that are lining up so they can force any vaccine they want on you. They can lock you down. They can kill your livestock. They can take away your car because of climate change. In the face of all that, should we not use some clever tactics like a Trojan horse tactic? Or should we just tell them exactly where we stand all the time? What our plan is, what our strategy is, here we come, we're marching through the front door,

because we expect to win that way. Well, I'm sure, despite everything I've just said, some of you are still saying to yourself, I still think it's a stupid idea. And you have that right. But for those of you that are donating to us, I want you to know we will use every tactic that's available. And yes, this one may be burned. And what I'm going to do now is I'm going to have Aaron put up an entire explainer for people that didn't see this show so that anyone that might be confused by that bill will read exactly what I just told you so that there's no more confusion. The truth is, is I think this bill is so genius that they will still have to go out of their way and tell politicians.

to look out for it, don't listen to it, because we didn't properly test all the vaccines. And once they do that, it's already done its job. But for Tedros who's watching, hello, you know, for Tony Fauci and Francis Collins and all of you, Deborah Brooks is out there that are watching, yes, I just gave you the inside scoop on one of our strategies. But let it be known. It's just one of many. we are implementing every single day.

We plan on outsmarting you. We plan on waking up the entire world, and we plan on winning. There you go. All right, I have a huge show coming up. I got Dr. Robert Malone that's going to get into some details about what's really going on with gain of function. Maybe we'll even talk about some more on being controlled opposition.

I don't know so much I want to talk to this guy about. But first, I really want to take this moment, for those of you that are watching, to say that we need your help. We have many lawsuits that are going on. And though nothing that you're giving to ICANN will go to the legislative body, what you see today is a group of people that are thinking way outside of the box. We are bobbing. We are weaving. And we have won dozens and dozens of lawsuits against the government of the United States of America that is lying to you. We have brought back an exemption where no one thought that was possible.

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Text that number. We'll send you a link right away. Like I said, Robert Malone is coming up in just a moment for a really awesome conversation. First, it's time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey. I think it worked up a bit of a sweat there. I feel like the fires of the Trojan horse burning. Yeah, go get them.

You're the best at it. So last week you opened the show, you recounted your time in Geneva. You were there. You were saying, look, it really looks like the W.HO, the W.E.F. They're digging in here. They're building infrastructure. They're not going anywhere anytime soon. And you said they're really preparing to push their agendas on the people.

And they may have a little problem with that. because what just happened in Europe, a lot of people in America really don't understand the gravity of this, these were the European Union parliamentary elections. And what are those? This is the world's largest multi-country voting election. Really, again, in the world, 27 nations,

over 370 million registered voters, and they vote on the seats. There's over 720 seats in this European Union parliament that are up for grabs. The bigger the country, the more seats you have. Germany has 96, France has 81. And really, you know, the European Union, the Parliament there, the members of Parliament, on the power continuum, they don't wield a lot of power compared to individual presidents of countries.

But what this was was a pulse check, a bellwether. And how did that go? Take a look. High election drama in Europe as results of elections to the EU Parliament came in. Voters in 27 countries have elected more far right members. The vote is having a significant impact. European voters have pulled to the farthest right. ever been and that is causing people anxiety. Voters in Germany, Italy, Austria, and the Netherlands also sent more far-right candidates.

In France right now, where President Emmanuel Macron's moderate party was beaten so badly by the far-right party of Marine Le Penh, that Macron called for a snap election, dissolving parliament in the process. German Chancellor Olaf Schultz's SPD, the Social Democrats, heading for their worst-ever national election results. The AFD has tapped into frustrations with Schultz's governments, the Ukraine war and state services burdened by rising migration, and a cost of living crisis have hit hard.

In Italy, Georgia Maloney and her far-right brothers of Italy parties forecast to more than double its seats in the European Parliament since the last election. European voters show that they're more concerned about what's directly and really negatively impacting them. To a large degree, the EU election results are a litmus test, an indication of how the election. of how the block will handle critical issues.

It's really amazing. I'll just state it because I haven't for a while that I grew up a progressive liberal Democrat from Boulder, Colorado, like the crystal cathedral of liberalism. And I find myself giddy when I watch a news thing like this. And I even was talking to my parents, you know, and family members this last week

who were very concerned how everything's moving to the right. Everything's going conservative. And I'm like, oh my God, you guys, thank God. It is. And that's, you know, and I'm trying to explain to those. I love as many of the ex-democrats that I know we're watching right now, we used to be the party that was against war. We were certainly against authoritarianism and definitely against censorship, all of which are the tools that are now being used by liberals. So as you push in this conservative space, it's all those that appear to be pushing back against the insanity we all find ourselves living in.

And maybe the pendulum will go too far one way, but God, we need a pendulum shift right now, and it appears to be happening in Europe. Right, and let's break this down. So people have been taught to think in polarization in this or that, left or right, far right. But what does this really mean? Let's use a term instead of far right,

because that's been using context for people to think of certain things when they think of that. Right. Populist is a less charged word, or even just people concerned about what is going on in their lives and their countries that are affecting their families and their their home, their town, their communities. That's what they're talking about here. And we can see Germany, France, Italy, even Austria also went far right, if you will, if you look at these headlines and they top the EU

elections. So they're winning seats in this parliament, this EU parliament. But what are the big hot button topics? Well, unchecked of migration, you're talking climate laws, these aggressive of climate laws that are rapidly changing society. This is the first time this parliament has voted since 2019. It's every five years. So what happened since then? The failed COVID response. So people were able to vent their frustrations in this vote about that. And we're talking also about the war in Ukraine and even, you know, the economy. Everyone, it seems from the U.S. to the European Union, the countries in there are dealing with economic issues. People are having a hard time affording just basic needs. This is the New York Times on the run-up to the elections, and this is how they framed it.

The EU is voting, it never mattered more. And it says the parliament that emerges from these elections, weak though it may be, will serve as a break or accelerator for the crucial policies that will help shape Europe's immediate future. And what are those? Well, you can see them. You just look through the headlines here. Here's one of them, far-right victories in EU elections in peril Ukraine support. Another one from Fox News, Europe expected to move right in EU elections amid voter anger.

over legal immigration, crime economy. But then we talk about the green agenda, net zero push. Before you do, I just want to make a point because it pops into my head as I was in Geneva, Switzerland last week. You know what one of the things that many of the people from the different countries are saying is when the New York Times is saying, well, the European Union is weak. The opposite is proving to be true. These nations are saying we no longer, our leaders have no power in our country. We are being forced to go along with whatever the EU decides. It's dragging us around by our tails, and we've had it, that we cannot stand up.

Our finances for the country are wrapped into it. You know, how the dollar is, where the EU currency, all of it, they are being manipulated by this overarching authoritarian, you know, sort of globalist regime, which is the EU parliament. And so I want to push back on that. Don't listen to these newspapers. This is a part of the propaganda. Oh, it's just nothing. No, what is nothing now is the sovereignty of the government. those nations that are part of the EU, talk to anyone that's watching what's happening inside

of their country. Exactly. So we're really talking about massive centralization to these authorities or power back to individual countries and their leadership that are appointed by the people. And one of the biggest pushes across the world in any country you're looking at is the net zero push, this green agenda, this rapid transition of economies onto an ideology that the world is if we don't move to net zero. So this is one of the things that shaped these boats. This says here, cost of going green sparks backlash from Europe's boaters.

And never was that more really on the front burner than in the Netherlands. The Netherlands is the breadbasket of the EU. They're the second largest exporter of agriculture behind the United States in the world. I mean, this tiny little country is just a little bigger than Maryland to give you an idea. And they have over generations perfected farming.

And remember, they went to one, war against their farmers. They had to cut fertilizer. They were buying out farms. They were cutting their heads of cattle. And people had enough. And they formed their own party there. This is the headline when it happened. They formed a farmers protest party. Farmers protest party win shock Dutch boat victory. And then right after they did that, they said this, we can topple the prime minister and former government says leaders of the Dutch farmers party. And then what happened? Dutch prime minister, Mark Root, is quitting politics. So they were obviously somewhat successful, in that. So these are the things that are shaping this, but it's not, you know, these ideas are not

just confined to Europe. They're not just confined to these individual nations like Germany or Italy. You're seeing this ideology of populism. I guess you're going to call it all over the world. And it's almost like everyone got the memo and said, we're done with this. This is Peter Dutton in Australia. He's the opposition leader. And over the next year, many are saying that he may be the next prime Minister of Australia. This is the headline coming out of Australia right now. Dutton to pull Australia out of the Paris Agreement if elected. So he's making bold statement. Remember the Paris Agreement is full net zero push. We can't let the climate go over 1.5 degrees Celsius or something's going to happen, but we don't exactly know what. And so you're seeing it at every level, even at the court level.

So just two months ago, this is one of the court rulings. It was a landmark international ruling in Switzerland. This was the headline that was made from an international court rule. Switzerland violated human rights and landmark climate case brought by 2,000 women. So what happened? Well, just now, Switzerland, their parliament is not going to go along with that court ruling. Swiss Parliament snubs European court climate ruling. So they're saying we're not doing this. We refuse to do this. We want this to go back to a vote, go back to the court. This is, you know, they're not basically bowing to this court rule. So again, at every level, from the individual voter to the members of parliament to actual court hearings and precedent,

people are not following what they've been following over the last five years or taught to follow, whether it's, you know, this green energy, the COVID politics, all of this stuff. There's a big change happening, and this is a litmus test for possibly what's going to be happening in the U.S. as we move into the elections. Wow. I mean, it's really incredible developments. And it just goes to show you when push comes to shove, when you beat your citizens with clubs, force them back into their homes, forcibly inject them with vaccines, tell them that they're going to stop transmission. And then by shot number nine, that becomes a reality that it's not true. And then you parade out the heads of the scientists that all told you that locking down and standing six feet apart

and not allowing yourself into a hospital to see your loved one die, that all that was based on an assumption, no science whatsoever. When you start seeing those things happen and attack on your food supply, taking away farmers, the lifeblood of every decent nation and stealing their farms from them, just shocking that the people that are against that end up moving into power. Thank God that the people still have the power. And that's, I really want to celebrate that because I know it was really heavy last week and though we're going to get into some really heavy developments happening. It's still proof people have the power. We'll still hear, do not. I want to say this, do not let people convince you that your vote doesn't matter. It's all totally rigged.

If that were the case, we wouldn't be seeing this shift in Europe because I guarantee you, no one wants to see an opposition to this global push right now, but that's exactly who's taking power is the opposition. The rebels are winning. As we speak about elections, the last U.S. election was really done in the shadow of the COVID pandemic. That was a major part of those elections. And so a lot of people are watching their trajectory of the headlines and the current events in the U.S. right now and going, are we going to be another pandemic? What are we talking about for these new elections? This is the bird flu.

So we reported last week out of Mexico was the first fatal case of a subtype. It was H5N2. This was the avian, highly pathogenic avian bird flu. And the WHO put out its own press release on its own website, and we broke this down. And they showed they broke down the first case here in Mexico and they they were bringing it down, showing it. And they tested this individual four times up the chain of our PCR tests. They're really looking hard to see if they can find this, make sure this sample was right. And they said this person, you know, they died from this H5N2.

But hold on one second. The CBC comes out and says this. Mexico says patient died of chronic disease, not H5N2 bird flu, as we. we told you there was a lot of issues with this certain patient. It says Mexico's Health Ministry on Friday stressed that the 59-year-old man's death was due to chronic conditions that led to septic shock. It was not attributed to the virus. They say, quote, the diseases were long-term and caused conditions that led to failure of

several organs, the ministry said, citing the findings by a team of experts. The man had chronic kidney disease, diabetes, and arterial hypertension over the past 14 years, according to health officials. Why did they look so hard? This is the open-ended question to try to find bird flu in this person. Again, is this died because of bird flu or with bird flu or what's going on here? And we're seeing the headlines that are really mirroring, you know, it's bringing back probably for some people's from trauma, mirroring the run-up to the COVID response.

Here's one of them. With bird flu tests hard to get, how will we know when to sound a pandemic alarm? I mean, that's, that headline right there says so many things. You could teach a class on it from what we saw with COVID. Because, you know, how are we going to know? But regardless, here's the European Union. They're securing their vaccines right now. They've secured over 40 million avian flu vaccines for 15 countries.

So they are not screwing around. People need to take this really seriously. But the big question, yeah, the big question with this conversation with bird flu is gain a function. That should be on everybody's mind. And we've been talking about it. We broke it down. We're going to go deeper into it here because Dr.

Peter McCullough and his co-authors. have now put out a paper that have broken down the current strain that is affecting animal species and causing sporadic human infections. This is the proximal origin of this highly pathogenic avian influenza. And it says the proximal origins of HPAI H5N1 clad two point. This is basically the current version of this virus affecting. It says maybe the USDA Southeast Poultry Research Laboratory in Athens, Georgia, and the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. And of course, McCullough and co-authors say they conclude a moratorium on gain of function research, including serial passage of H5N1, is indicated to prevent a man-made influenza pandemic,

causing animals, affecting animals and humans. And this is what everyone's talking about, even the House Energy and Commerce Committee is saying we need a completely independent body. We need to take this idea of gain of function away from NIH and have an independent a body that looks at these because this is a major danger. And the organic consumers association, they wrote a great article just a couple of years ago really outlining this and it's titled is bird flu being weaponized. And they go into this. Now bird flu in humans has only been known for just a couple decades here. So this isn't something that goes back hundreds and hundreds of years in the scientific literature. So they break down the history of this and you'll notice as I go

through this segment at every juncture in the history of bird flu over the last couple decades, we have right next to it the Bedfellow is gain of function. So organic consumers association writes this. The first human H5N1 outbreak occurred in Hong Kong in 1997, the year of what the British called the Hong Kong handover when sovereignty over Hong Kong was transferred. Hangover, I think it was supposed to say. I think it's the Hong Kong hangover. Yep, go okay. Was it handover? Okay.

Handover, yeah, from the UK to China. It was during this politically sensitive year. that Kennedy Shortridge and Australian scientists, who was the director of the World Health Organization's reference laboratory at the University of Hong Kong, confirmed human cases of highly pathogenic bird flu. It says in this article, the LA Times reported, quote, the H5 piece came from a virus in a goose, the N1 piece came from a second virus in a quail. The remaining flu genes came from a third virus, also in a quail. Shortridge had been studying how avian influenza viruses spread in humans since 1975, prior to discovering H5N1, Shortridge. Ridge eerily predicted its emergence.

Guys studying it, he predicts it's going to happen. It says, at the time, the natural leap of flu directly from poultry to humans was thought to be so unlikely that scientists first suspected contamination from Short Ridge's lab was the cause of the highly improbable H5N1 diagnosis. Unfortunately, we didn't have alternative researchers, independent journalists to dig into this because we might have found something else. But now this handoff comes from Shortridge now to two other scientists that make a big splash here really in America.

And this is Yushihiro Kaiwaka and Ron Foucher. And these researchers have been doing straight up gain of function work since 2011, and they produce a paper and they say, hey, we were able to soup this virus up, this bird food virus up, so much that it's now highly pathogenic in our lab in ferret, in a ferret model, which is a substitute for a human model. And they're going to publish the paper. And the entire research community, most of them said,

that we can't do this. It's way too dangerous because other labs are going to try to recreate this and we might have a lab accident or terrorists might get this and do it. They published it anyway. This was the paper they publish. A mutant flu paper published controversial study shows how dangerous form of avian influenza could evolve in the wild. Now it goes on to say H5N1 commonly known as bird flu is a highly pathogenic and often lethal in humans but it cannot spread efficiently between people in cases seem to be rare. Not anymore. To find out if H5N1 could evolve easily, could evolve easy transmissibility between humans. Kayaoka and his team mutated a hemaglutin, an H-A-Gene,

which produces the protein that the virus uses to stick itself to host cells. The first hints of Kayaoka's work emerged last year, along with details of similar experiments led by Ron Pichet at the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. Wow. What's the commonality between these two individuals? They're both creating these viruses that have gained the ability to spread through air between ferrets and they were both funded by NIH under Francis Collins and

NIAID under Anthony Fauci. They are funding their research. So as we know, as this story goes in 2013 and 2014, specifically there was a moratorium on gain of research. Everything stopped because there was this understanding in these reports that there's way too many mishaps going on in these labs that are working with these highly pathogenic viruses. One of those mishaps was a report from the CDC. And this is what this said here. It said, sloppy practices by CDC scientists cited in lab mishap. So let's go into this. Again, this is 2014. We have a moratorium that says the CDC investigation found a wide range of serious lapses and revealed additional flu research that was jeopardized because of contaminated samples. The CDC

scientists may have even handled both the benign strain of bird flu and the dangerous H5N1 strain inside a biosafety cabinet at the same time. The report concludes, which would be a significant breach of basic procedures that carries risks of cross-contaminating specimens. It gets better. A contaminated sample of the benign bird flu virus also was sent to another CDC lab where it was still being used in experiments more than a month after the mistake was discovered because nobody alerted that lab to the problem. In addition, the CDC had also planned to send a sample from the contaminated virus batch to the infection disease department at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital,

which has a prestigious influenza research facility. But now it goes on. We have 2017, the moratorium on gain of function research is lifted. We know how that goes with coronavirus research. But Kiwaka's research and Ron Foucher's research, they get the green light again. This is 2019. Science.org says exclusive,

controversial experiments that can make bird flu more risky, poised to resume. These are the gain of function projects that were halted four years ago. And so what happens there? Well, in 2019, Kai Waukes Lab at the University of Wisconsin actually has basically an accident there

while working with the bird flu. It was chronicled in this paper right here, in this editorial in USA Today, lab created bird flu virus accidents show lacks oversight of risky gain of function research. So this is the main story here with this bird flu conversation. I mean, we keep talking about it,

but it's so much more serious. I'm sure there's people going, wow, this is like really getting in the weeds. I'm not sure how it affects me. Folks, I mean, this is like potentially world-ending stuff. Like, these people mess this up. They give a function to a virus that it never was going to have naturally. And suddenly one of these bozos gets a cough, carries it out, you know, themselves or a mouse or something, or ships it in the freaking mail.

And now suddenly you have, you know, a deadly virus sweeping the world. And we're just like, yeah, I suppose it could happen. Oh, yeah, it sounds like a lab leak in Wuhan. That's what it was. And then next story, like next story, these are the biggest stories of our lifetime, people. This is the biggest issue. This is literally like a nuclear weapons being built by a junior high student in the basement next door. And you don't know about it.

What could possibly go wrong? All right. And our collective and historical focus over the last four years and our experience has taught us to watch for, obviously, the gain of function. We need to question this. lockdowns, mandatory vaccines with the COVID response. But the bird flu has an interesting other dynamic that a lot of people aren't talking about. And that is our food supply. Take a look at this. All right.

Now to a story that impacts farming in Minnesota, as well as what you buy at the grocery store. As bird flu spreads in lower Michigan, poultry and cattle, farmers are becoming more concerned about food supply. Millions of chickens are facing the chopping block after bird flu hits an Iowa farm. The nation's top egg producer says more than four million chickens will be slaughtered after bird flu was detected at a large egg farm. Some 23 million birds have been killed in Iowa since 2022. Just to put it in perspective, we've probably called in the United States alone between 90 and 100 million birds in the last year, year and a half due to H5N1 flu. The World Health Organization is investigating a man in Mexico who died of a type of bird flu known as, H5 and 2. Now, three farm workers in the U.S. have been infected mildly with that virus.

What is the level of concern right now about that potentially becoming a pandemic? I'm really concerned because we're making the same mistakes today that we made with COVID. We should be testing every cow weekly. You can do pooled PCR. We have the technology. We could be pool testing every dairy worker. I do believe that there's undetected cases in humans. because we're once again only tracking people with symptoms. U.S. is taking steps to develop or acquire vaccines for at-risk farm workers. We're really prepared to not only test the current vaccines that we have in the stockpile, but also to really develop specific vaccines.

Get ready, folks. Does that sound familiar? I mean, we're making the same mistakes we made during COVID. I really believe there are people infected asymptomatic care. She didn't say it, but asymptomatic. carriers that now have bird flu and they're spreading it across the country because of the cows, because of the chickens, and we better start killing all of those. I mean, this is a level of insanity, Jeffrey. And what happens to, I mean, to our food supply? I know you're going to get into it, but what a shocking, terrifying news montage that was. They really want their hands on the cows.

You can see Dr. Deborah Birx. They're coming out of, you know, out of retirement, I guess, or whatever, and saying we need to test cows every week we need to test them every week every cow we have the technology oh my god so let's go into these these headlines here because it tells the story of what's really happening it says with 100 million bird flu dead or birds dead poultry industry could serve as example is dairy farmers confront bird flu it says there's been earlier bird flu outbreaks in the u.s but the current one started it in february of 2022 and has forced to slaughter of nearly 100 million chickens and turkeys and you go to the u.sda and it has flocked data. And you can see the chart here, this map in the United States. You can see these

are the detections by month. And they're detecting flocks. So these aren't actually one bird. Their entire flocks of birds when they detect this. You see Minnesota, South Dakota, California, Iowa. These are a large producers. In fact, Iowa's the largest egg producer in the United States. These are large commercial farms. So you're getting a lot of outbreaks there. Also some in backyard farms, but the commercial farms are the ones that are doing the big testing at right now. This isn't the first time this happened. This is the biggest outbreak. But in 2015, there was another bird flu outbreak where they had to kill 50 million birds at that time.

This is NPR for during that time, 2015, NPR, millions of chickens to be killed as bird flu outbreak puzzles industry. And even Iowa, the Iowa governor declared a state of emergency due to that bird flu outbreak at the time. So these aren't the first time these shock headlines happen. But now let's look at, let's look at the advantage the industry is looking at here. in the United States government's looking at and all the other governments around the world. So we have the USDA is putting in the federal register. It just has. And when something is published in a federal register, whether it's vaccine related or this next story, there's 180 days

until its implementation. So what are we talking about? This is it. This is APHIS bolsters animal disease traceability in the United States. What does that mean? Here's another headline to break it down easier. The USDA may soon implement RFID. Burden of electronic animal identification will fall in independent ranchers. So there's no other option in 180 days. They've been trying to do this for over a decade. They were pushed back legally in 2021. They had to back off on this, but now they're coming back and trying to do this. This is the only option you have for cattle. You have to have RFID chips on there for tracking, for interstate commerce.

And you're seeing this not only here, but you're seeing this across in Europe as well. this is the telegraph, chicken keepers must register to beat bird flu. Owners who fail to register their birds face a maximum fine of 5,000 pounds or six months in prison, although penalties depend on an assessment of harm caused. So let's take a big leap here. Maybe not a big leap. We have the C40 cities. So why all this control over people's food, their animals, their chickens, their cows, their poultry? Well, the C40 cities are basically the this agreement between the largest, the mayors of the largest cities in the world, many here in the United States, others in Europe, and they're elected for one thing, but then they're agreeing

with the C40 cities on another thing. And what is that? Well, here's one of their white papers, the future of urban consumption. They've all signed on to this in a 1.5 degrees Celsius world. This is their report. And the future of food consumption is this. Let's look at this chart. By 2030, they're claiming their ambitious goal that these C40 mayors are driving aggressively towards is zero kilograms of meat consumption, zero kilograms of dairy consumption, so none, and 200, $2,500 calories per person per day. And it says on this report right under it, adopting dietary changes the consumption intervention with the greatest potential for emissions reductions. Adopting a healthy diet, i.e. lowering meat and dairy intake would contribute 60% of the emission reduction, 43% and 17% respectively,

while the remainder is likely associated with reduced calorie intake. So this is the question, the open-ended question, is if a bird flu is here and there's traceability on these animals and these poultry, wouldn't these people that are trying to have ambitious targets, wouldn't this be a supercharging, helpful experience for them to eliminate dairy and meat consumption in any way they can do it because of these climate goals. It's almost benevolent from their mind. So these are what we have to be thinking about because the mayors of certain cities, large cities in the U.S. are gunning towards this. They're trying to get to these goals and they're going to use any means necessary. Wow. I mean, it's really scary and it's obvious. And frankly,

as you and I both know, first of all, PCR test. I mean, how many cycles? Is there anything really there? And if Deborah Burks wants to be testing every single farm, and every cow, just the cost of that on farmers. What's that going to do to the cost of production? How are they going to stay up with that? And then what's the lightest, you know, all of a sudden you get an overly magnified PCR test. You just start killing all of the cows. And then imagine, I mean, clearly they're stating that.

Clearly, that's what they want to do. So look how easily it would be. I mean, you can see it 100, would say 100 million chickens have already been killed. I mean, that's got to be nearing 10% of the chicken population or somewhere in there. I mean, I'm not sure what the exact numbers are. But if you start doing that then to your cows, first of all, the cows that remain are going to get more expensive. You're going to price everybody out of the ability to eat meat. You know who will be able to afford it?

Bill Gates, the people on their jets, they'll still be eating steaks because they're the only ones that can afford that sort of, you know, supply and demand issue, what happens when you start killing off the livestock. And we've seen this across the country. And then we can see them going after, you know, chicken, you know, people that just have a couple of chickens in their backyard in Europe. know they want to do that here because so many of us are moving into having our own gardens, our own chicken cubs around our houses. They want to come after that too. They don't want you to have any way or any access to the food you believe, your medicine. Food, let food be thy medicine, as Apoconis said. And now they're going after that. This is just, I mean, folks,

if you, if you're tuning in, I get it. Like we're all, you tune in and it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's alarmist. This stuff is really happening. I mean, turn off the CNN because it's, you know, in the MSNBC and Fox. I mean, they're just, they're pushing it so often on so many stupid things. But what we're telling you right now, this is in real time, folks. Imagine if they wipe out your food supply, what are you going to be eating? How are you going to be able to afford a steak? If they start killing cows across this country and chickens, where your eggs, and remember when they tell you, we want you to have zero stakes, zero chickens. That's where we're at. Jeffrey, very alarming.

But at least we're on top of it. And at least we're seeing a move in Europe. Maybe we'll see similar moves here in America where people start, you know, winning elections because they actually care about our borders, our sovereignty, our declaration of independence, our constitution, and our Bill of Rights. I'll see you next week. All right. Thank you. Well, I mean, at the heart of this is science, right? And this is what I keep saying, you know, they're using health and science as a weapon, this concept of health.

No one saw it coming. When we started doing this work at the high wire, we were all alone. There was nobody reporting on the dangers of vaccines long before COVID. We started the show at the end of 2016 and into the beginning of 2017. Because what we're finding the work that we were doing with Aaron Siri about the actual testing going on, that there was things that no one knew about and it could only be revealed by suing the government of the United States. But what if you worked with the government? What if you were on the inside? What if you, you know, grew up believing, you know, that the future, you know, had to do with virology and immunology and you studied it and you were doing this great work and creating amazing vaccines and maybe even dabbling a little gain of function or watching it happen and recognize it was going on and suddenly you realize, oh my God, I'm surrounded by morons

and I think they might just destroy the world. I might be overstating it, but I'm going to let him. him tell you all about himself. I'm talking about Robert Malone. I internationally recognize physician. Scientists, an author, a speaker, a bioethicist, the global clinical research scholar at Harvard Medical School. He holds 10 patents. His published works have over 7,000 clinical citations. One of the bravest voices in the medical community speaking out against censorship. And the inventor of MRNA vaccine technology, Dr. Robert Malone.

The apparently very dangerous Dr. Robert Malone. Welcome Dr. Robert Malone. I spent 30 years as a scientist and as a physician developing vaccines, including the core technology that gave rise to these mRNA vaccines. I'd spent my whole career in vaccines. I literally invented MRNA vaccine technology when I was 28. working at the California Regional Primate Research Center with my wife, trying to develop this tech and test it in non-human primates as well as mice, and we could not overcome the toxicity.

Our top expert in gain of function research, a former project manager at DARPA, he called me up and said, hey, Robert, we got a problem. This novel coronavirus that's circulating here in Wuhan looks like it's going to be a problem. I did a threat assessment, made a decision that once again, like with Zika, there was no way to develop a vaccine in time to really mitigate the risk. What we needed to focus on was a repurposed drug, so that's pretty much what I did, largely with DOD fundings. What I originally highlighted when I kind of came out of the closet metaphorically on the COVID crisis is the gross ethical failures that were ongoing.

I'm a scientist. I'm committed to this, and I'm committed to medical ethics. Unfortunately, we've politicized the situation and we didn't need to. And we really should have been focusing on the science. And now the science is making it clear that these vaccines are no longer making sense. It has been a sharp shock for me to come to terms with what modern propaganda and media manipulation really means. You cannot underestimate the absolute lack of any morality on the part of the part of the these people that are that are promoting these false narratives. There are no boundaries.

This executive branch has invested over $1 billion in promoting these narratives in social media and in the legacy media. When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other and has free-floating anxiety in a sense that things don't make sense, we can't understand it. And then their attention gets focused by a leader or a series of events. on one small point, just like hypnosis, they literally become hypnotized and can be led anywhere. We're going to be living with the consequences of this in so many different dimensions. For not just our generation, you're talking about your children, and my grandchildren

are going to be living with it in so many different ways. It's profound what we've done. The truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself. Well, he's an immunologist, a vaccinologist, a molecular virologist, a pathologist, and a physician. And he's also one of the inventors of the MRNA technology.

It's my honor and pleasure to be joined right now by Dr. Robert Malone. Welcome back. Thank you, Dill. It's really good to have you. It's been a while. Yes, it has. I've seen you out in the speaking circuit. We've been doing a lot of things, and clearly by that montage, you have been a busy man.

Yeah. But we find ourselves in this incredible time. And in some ways, I would say the public has been educated in a way that has been very helpful in that. Concepts like, you know, immunology, virology, vaccine development, gain of function is now something that, at least on a cursory level, your average person watching the news knows a little bit about, which makes this conversation a little bit easier. But they don't seem, I think we're just because also, like I know, they just let it roll off. But you have both been a part of the process around biology, immunology, working with pathogens like this, how to stop them, how they're created. But you've also been inside and seen how the government thinks about this and Department of Defense. So for people that maybe I've brand new followers and watching the show every day, just very quickly, what is your background, especially in your ebbler?

and especially in your interaction with government agencies, which seems to be a really big part of this conversation now? A key part of my story is that the guy that ostensibly was my mentor at the Salk Institute, Dr. Indur Verma, got pretty proper pissed off at me when I left his laboratory. And this was in the context of the initial patent filings relating to the use of RNA as a drug and RNA as vaccination. And he insisted that he should be an inventor

on this and the Salk attorneys made a determination that he wasn't an inventor. And that and a cascade of other things led me to just say, I'm done. I left with my master's degree. And when I did, he said to me, you will never get an NIH grant. And for the most part, he's right. He was a very powerful researcher. He was the editor-in-chief of the Proceedings of National Academy of Sciences. And one of the things that I found then, as a young scientist physician as after I completed my MD. I went back and finished the last two years of my MD, was that the Department of Defense was less focused on all of the kind of self-aggrandizement

published for fame and more focused on actually producing products. And getting things done. And I've always been kind of a work with your hands. Remember I was a carpenter and a farmhand before? I became a physician and a scientist. And that's where I come from is I just want to get things done. I want to solve problems. And you were alluding to my history.

Actually, my father worked in defense and was very involved in some key technologies like that that's used for exploding thermonuclear devices. And I didn't want to be any part of the weapons industry. Okay. And so that's part of why I went into biology. And so I knew that DOD in their biology area was focused on protecting war fighters from disease. And I found them easy to work with. I found them much more practical, less focused on ego, more focused on actually producing a product that would help the warfighter. Okay.

And so that's why I started working with them. And I was glad to do so and have been glad to do so. And over time, because I was not able to sustain my own laboratory because it's so wicked hard to get funding, I started a consulting practice. And among other things, even though I couldn't get grants for myself in contracts, I was excellent at writing grants and contracts. And so I began to specialize as a consultant in working with the government, kind as an intermediary between people within DOD and the government that would come to us and say,

hey, we have a need. We need this kind of a capability, and we'd like these types of technologies brought together in some way that would allow us to build this solution that we're envisioning. And so they'd come to me, and I was able to go around and basically serve as an intermediary and solve problems, pulled together teams to come up with technical solutions. Because what I observed was that again and again, the big contractors, we call them Beltway Bandits in the D.C. area, were often providing suboptimal solutions. It really weren't the best tech at the time for government contract opportunities.

So you and I were paying for second-tier science, second-tier product development, coming out of the big corporations that had the lobbyists and the capabilities of working with the government and being compliance. And the little guys who were the innovators coming up with new solutions and understanding new technology, didn't understand how to write federal contracts and win them and maintain them. So I became that person, basically to enable innovation from the small guys to compete in the same arena as the big boys. And I did it quite successfully. And that people criticized that I made so much money, no, I'm sorry, working as a consultant is pretty much a hand-to-mouth existence. But I did win literally billions of dollars for my clients.

And I think we did a lot of good work, including into the COVID crisis, you know, work with Ebola. I was at the tip of the spear in bringing forth the Ebola vaccine for a small company in Iowa. that eventually sold it off to Merck, and that's the licensed Ebola vaccine, for what it's worth. It's not a great vaccine, but in the face of Ebola, it's better than nothing. And worked on repurposing drugs for Zika.

And then along comes this COVID crisis. And I again did a threat assessment, as was mentioned in one of those clips, and determined that there was no way that you could build a safe effective vaccine against this coronavirus because no one had ever built a safe and effective human vaccine for a coronavirus. It evolves too quickly.

It's too slippery. It has too many ways of evading immune responses. And that what we needed to do is focus on repurpose drugs. And so I pulled together a team and that's what we did. We focused on repurposed drugs, early paper on the use of famadine. The treatment's made a lot more sense. Just treat this illness because it's going to evolve too fast. It's just going to get around a vaccine.

And that kind of became in the group of dissenter physicians, and you've had many on your show here, that kind of became the norm is focusing on early treatment and repurpose drugs. In our case, with DOD, we came up with the combination of famadidine cellicoxib, another off-patent drug. These are both off-patent drugs, you know, with safety track records, et cetera. and then particularly effective is if you added ivermectin. And we tried to, then the data was so compelling that we were able to convince Department of Defense to allocate a substantial amount of money

to move this into real solid clinical trials. You know, well-structured, randomized with controls, et cetera. And we got stonewalled by the FDA. For me, it was stunning. I pulled together a highly experienced team of vaccine specialists, clinical trial specialists, regulatory affairs specialists. And we had the capital, a couple hundred million bucks from DOD to do this. And we put together the INDs and all the documentation.

We had substantial clinical data. These are all licensed drugs, off patent, inexpensive, what's not to like. Right. Okay. And presented that to the FAA. FDA, no. DoD. Okay, then we revise that. Present it back to the FDA. No. You have to prove that Ivermectin, you have to prove the mechanism of action of Ivermectin in vitro, in other words, in cell culture, which is not how it works. Right. Okay. If we're going to allow you to go forward.

And so each time, this is months of work and months of delay. And in the end, nothing came to those trials. and I left the group. I stopped being a consultant because I started speaking out, as was mentioned, about the bioethics of what was going on, the jamming of these products into people without allowing them to understand

what was really going on. You'll remember the Dark Horse podcast with Steve Kirsch, which was kind of a... A moment in time, yeah. It was a moment in time. I like to say three old men sitting around a table talking for two hours and it goes viral.

That's when I knew something weird. weird was going on. But you'll recall that we talked about this, the technical word is common technical document that Byram Bridal from Canada had obtained from the Japanese regulatory authority because they had placed it on their website, whereas the FDA hit it. Right. Ed did the TGA in Australia, etc. But for some reason the Japanese made it available. And when I read it, after, you know, Byram read it and then there was an effort to write a little summary document for trial site news. And trial site news was spooked by this and so they said well we're gonna get this guy Malone to review it. Byron

Bridal was scared silly, thought this Malone guy was really gonna rip him an extra one. Right. And what was posted? Was this the actual genetic sequence or what are we talking No, it was the common technical document is essentially the body of information that is submitted worldwide they translated but it is a common format it's used to be called the I and D it is a body of evidence that says this is what we know about this product from our non-clinical testing etc okay and this is why you should allow us to move forward with emergency use authorization or this all about the vaccine okay and so this was the document that showed

that the product didn't stay at the site of injection right It went all over the body. Right. Okay. That the levels of protein production were sky high, that it had this paradoxical affinity for ovarian tissue. Remember all those issues? That was that document. So concerns about fertility.

And there's a whole lot of nuance that in all this jibber-jabber about what Malone did or didn't do or who he's with or whether he's controlled opposition. I actually set up, I had enough status in the field and history that I was able to get Peter Marks on the phone. And we scheduled a Zoom conference. And I was assuming that the FDA was basically having the wool pulled over its eyes by Pfizer and Moderna. Okay. You know, how else could you explain the FDA allowing this to go forward? with this body of data that was so shocking. It clearly demonstrated that it did not meet normal criteria,

established criteria for a vaccine candidate. I was shocked, and so I assumed that somehow the FDA had not had sufficient expertise to really comprehend this information that was being put in front of them. It seems like a logical. If you're coming from the position of assuming the government is actually competent.

Yeah. I was assuming that they were competent and that somehow they had just been manipulated. And so I set up this phone call with Peter Marks and offered my experience. You know, I created this tech. I was the one that pioneered the use of luciferase in animals as a reporter gene. This whole system is based upon what I did when I was 28 and 29. So I'm thinking they just don't comprehend what's going on here and if I can just help them to understand Then they'll do the right thing and what what comes back at me was Peter says well you actually have only seen this one document

And there's much more information now that we've received and I've reviewed it Peter Okay, he's not a vaccinologist. He's not an immunologist. He's an oncologist. He's a cancer guy. Okay, but he's reviewed it and he sees no concerns. Now what is that new body of evidence that he's received, that he's telling me to basically, he tells me straight out. I would really appreciate it if you would back off of this, not make a big issue, and let me discuss this with the public at, you know, in my own speed at the, at the right time. So I'm, you know, I'm still assuming that these guys are acting in good faith. And they, there are government employees.

They've come to this position. They understand what they're doing and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Well, the document that he's referring to is the Pfizer dossier that the courts, they tried to lock up in the courts for, what is, 65 years? 75 years, yes. I think you guys played a role in busting that loose, okay? So that document that then Natalie, you know, was gone over by so many people, include your team that revealed all kinds of additional malfeasance and misrepresentations and

redirections and, you know, we could call it lies, right, was what Marx was referring to, okay? So at this point, as this is starting to happen, I realize that you're not in Kansas anymore. Right. And all the assumptions that I've made about what's going on here, I'm not, you are wrong. And that's what really starts the cascade. And then I get booted off of Twitter. I get booted off of LinkedIn. And as many say, you know, we've had you on before and the rest is

history. You were now the Robert Malone that's traveling around. I want to get into some detail. There's so many places I would want to go with this conversation, but I'll try to stay specific. To begin with, you said that the DOD who you're used to working with was the ones that wanted treatments. Even early on in COVID, they're looking at that. That segment. That segment. That segment. DoD. is a huge enterprise. Okay. Now, the question I have for you, because there's something that really shifted fairly recently. I mean, I don't know. It's probably maybe a half a year ago when I interviewed Scott Atlas. That changed my perspective. Who I have deep respect for. Yeah, the amazing guy. Amazing guy.

It was there in the thick of it. Truth teller at the front lines and just really, really great. just got treated like dog dirt. So it comes down to that they, right? We hear everywhere we go, it's the they, the they, the they got it all worked out. They're working all together. They, you know, as though there was this sort of diabolical plan, like the puppet masters. But what he revealed to me, and I wonder if you feel the same way. But he revealed, in many ways, he was saying in his book that essentially Deborah Burks never

believed in the vaccine, right? She didn't care for the vaccine. She thought the vaccine was stupid and it wasn't going to work. she was really into the lockdowns and the social distancing and the masks. And then Fauci, on the other hand, is the one in the task force that really starts promoting this vaccine, pushing the vaccine. Of course, he's with Nyad, which is connected with Moderna, and that there was really sort of a little battle over what would really go on.

And you see some of that in some of the interviews where Redfield's saying, I don't think the vaccine is going to work. You're better off wearing a mask, and that probably doesn't do much. And he's sort of, so these three, they're sort of called the Troika in, in in Atlas's book, right? But it gave me this sense where I thought they were all aligned. And what I also did not really realize is she comes in through, I believe, Department of Defense and really is a military operative that should have been wearing epaulets.

We're all thrown off by the, you know, the scarves, but she was actually military. And it seems that this whole thing had a military function that wasn't necessarily about the vaccine seemed to be more about distancing and lockdowns. Am I, is any of that? I mean, I know that you've looked at some of this. Extensively. Yeah. And Pottinger's role in this and Berks bringing Pottinger in.

Yeah. And the role of Pottinger's CDC wife who had the back channel with Birx who got Pottinger in. And Pottinger, who, I'm told by a variety of different sources that Pottinger is very much an, anti-CC person and yet he was the one with the back channel back to the Central Communist Party in China that pushed lockdowns on, you know, in alignment with Berks and a lot of these other what are called non-pharmaceutical interventions. Yeah. And one way to phrase it as my friend Frank Gaffney likes to say is they imported the China

solution, which by the way was reinforced by Tedros and the W.H. show. I know you're shocked. Yeah. But that was facetious. So it's complicated. And Scott got sidelined quickly. Yes. And his observations are crucial artifacts to help us discern what transpired here. but they are from the perspective of someone who was in that position for that brief moment of time and then was basically ejected out. Trying to bring this person, that person, and saying, why are these people not communicating the way one would naturally believe they are?

Yeah, and the dynamics going on here are fascinating because they're still playing out in the presence. So we had the Fauci testimony and then immediately. By the way, people like, wow, are we still on COVID? I mean, look, we may be facing a pandemic coming right around the corner. We should all know how these cogs are working because they're still spinning right now. Okay, so, yeah, and these three characters, this Troika that you're talking about, have longstanding professional rivalries. Deborah Birx is a Tony Fauci postdoc.

Deborah Birx ran the DOD HIV vaccine program. They did things there that were clearly. contrary to what Tony Fauci wanted them to do. Okay. Bob Redfield was basically rescued out of obscurity because of some misstatements and actions that he made within the DOD having to do with AIDS vaccine. All this goes back to the early days of AIDS, okay?

So all AIDS? This is like the AIDS team that we're all fighting each other. They've all been fighting each other for decades. My entire career, okay? Wow. And Bob Gallo and Tony Fauci got, in a big fight over who was going to control the AIDS money, and Bob lost. Okay.

And Redfield pushed a vaccine story for a vaccine candidate that turned out to be wrong, and he got ejected out of the DOD basically for research fraud, you know, whether or not that's actually what happened. That's the politics of what happened. And Bob Gallo saved him. So Bob Gallo and Tony Fauci are frenemies going back decades. Okay. Okay.

Bob had to create this new vaccine research center in Baltimore, and he hired Redfield, who now is running a clinic, as was discussed with Chris Como the other day, and this is what was fascinating, that Como interview followed almost right on the heels of the Fauci testimony, and Redfield directly contradicted a bunch of things that Fauci said in his testimony, no surprise. Right. Okay. What you're looking at is you're getting a window into the academic, politics and government politics that surrounds this whole domain that is... And it's clear, and this is why I love these hearings right now, and I don't want to see

anyone get elected that's going to shut them down because they're starting to turn on each other. These tensions are rising. Everyone's turning on each other. You bring up this Redfield interview with Cuomo, which I think is a good bridge into the next question I want to ask you. So let's take a look at this. The problem with what I call scientific arrogance about all the people that were doing this work, They never really realized that they were kind of unlikely being able to contain a respiratory pathogen, particularly in the laboratory situation that they were doing it. I've mentioned to people when I was CDC director, one of the most difficult decisions I made was I shut down Fort Detrick.

I had been at Walter Reed for many years. I had worked at Fort Detrick. These are my colleagues. But CDC normally inspects these laboratories for their biocontainment. adherence. And they had some problems with the inspection. And then the follow-up inspections, they had the same problems. And I felt it was just inappropriate for them to go on doing those experiments, particularly for the people of Frederick and the area around there, because they had some various of severious laps in their biocontainment strategy. And I shut them down. They were

shut down for about six months. So I think there was a lot of arrogance here. We know that the containment in this laboratory was not optimal. But I will also say, maybe we'll talk about it later, you know, I'm very worried about gain of function research that's being done in a lot of university labs that don't have the containment to do it. Bingo. Bingo. And so, of course, we now have, Tony Fauci said so many times definitively as definitive as you can be with Rand Paul. It's not gain of function. You don't know what you're talking about, but now in the hearings, I think the current, H head is saying, yeah, by definition, it was gain of function. You have Redfield saying we were doing gain of function.

The Wuhan Lab clearly was doing gain of function. So this whole conversation, we just got done with Jeffrey Jackson talking about. Yeah, that was a fantastic piece. Right. Gain of function on bird flu. And so, you know, this gain of function thing is currently, I think, maybe one of the most important stories of our life. time and we can't seem to stop it. This insanity is just getting crazier.

So I'm completely aligned with Bob Redfield that what this is is a culture of arrogance and entitlement. Okay. Now, I want to just a small correction, Lawrence Tyback, who you're referring to. What he said in the testimony was that by the common definition of gain of function research, they were doing it. But by the technical definition or regulatory position, and that's what Fauci falls back on, they weren't doing gain of function research because the NIH has constructed this House of Cards, this definition that allows them to continue doing what allows their chosen elite to continue doing what it is that they want to do by defining it as gain of function as not involving a highly transmissible pathogen with pandemic. potential. Okay. And so by that definition. So not involving a highly transmissible, but if you take one that it's not highly transmissible and make it more transmissible, that's considered not, no, it's not considered gain of function research. That's crazy. It is bizarre. It's upside down.

Okay, it's transparently a fabrication. We don't work with supervillains. That's illegal. But if we make a super villain, then it's okay. By the definition, our regulatory definition that we cite, that we've defined by ourselves, and by the way, which we change the definition of in the middle of all this stuff that we're flying. So that brings us to this other story that's developed just yesterday. Another truth bomb dropped. And this is from a different committee in the House. other than this select subcommittee that's investigating the origins of SARS-CoV-2.

This is the Energy and Commerce Committee, which paradoxically under Title X, they make very clear, has the authority to oversee HHS, including NIH and NIHAD. So that's the cascade. And they have now disclosed that a high-status, NIH researcher, Bernie Moss, that is probably, you could consider him the guru of pox viruses within the United States. Okay. And he doesn't, he's not one of these like Barrick or Dasik that relies on NIH grants. He's intramural.

That means that he gets the money straight. He doesn't have to submit a proposal or something. Okay. Or if he does, it's a big general proposal. He actually works within the government's facilities. He works in the government. Peter Dazzack's an outside group. He needs funding.

Right. Okay. So he's semi-independent, EcoHealth Alliance. This is dependent on government contracts. And supposedly was just cut off. We'll see how long that last. But Bernie Moss works directly for the government. Okay.

And it turns out that NIH has approved him doing gain of function research on get ready for it. What are the three big pandemic potentials that we've encountered over the last two years? Okay. It's SARS-CoV-2. Right. Coronavirus. H-5N1. Flu.

Monkeypox. Pox. Okay. So Bernie has had approval. Now, the NIH denied it. They lied to the committee that has line responsibility for their oversight. Nyad lied to them. Said that we didn't approve Bernie to do any gain of function research on monkey pox.

And then the documents somehow came out because, Because Moss gave an interview to Science Magazine in 2022, in which he said outright, we're doing gain of function research on monkeypox. He's bragging about it, okay? And he says that they have swapped. There's two main clades. We're familiar now. This term clade is an evolutionary cluster of related viruses under a species.

So species have clades. That's like the difference between a Holstein and a, and a, Black Angus. Okay. You could, big differences. And so there's two clades of monkey pox. Clayd two is the one that circulated after this Canaryland's rave event that Tedros declared was a,

being gentle. No, I know. I saw that people have said some things about right. Yes, I got you. Okay. Which Tedros declared to be a worldwide public health threat in the pandemic.

Giant sex party, if you will. Like everything broke loose. As you wish. of a certain orientation. But clearly monkeypox is something that was a pandemic. But at the time that Nyad approved this, wait for it, monkeypox was not considered a virus with pandemic potential. And so therefore, they considered that it was okay for Bernie

to do this gain of function mix and match between the more highly pathogenic clade and the more highly infectious clade, which happened to be the one that was circulating a year later, strangely, a year after they did an event 201 planning session that almost predicted it to the date, okay? But Bernie is busy doing mix and match experiments

to try to figure out, can he take the more pathogenic parts of clade one, put him into clade two that's more infectious, and create a virus that's more infectious and more pathogenic. This is dual-purpose research. I mean, this is clearly bio-warfare research. Yeah. Okay, there's no ambiguity here as far as I'm concerned.

Right. Okay. And the NIH said, that's perfectly fine. You can do that experiment. We're good with that because, of course, this is not listed as a virus with pandemic potential. But we really want you to come back and check with us. if you're going to go back the other direction.

And then in 2022, in this interview with Science Magazine, Bernie drops the truth bomb. He says, I've been doing this. Okay? And NIA blows a gasket. And they tell Science Magazine they have to write a retraction. They have to pull this back. Bernie starts denying it.

And the committee gets wind of it and starts doing the investigations in 2022. And at first, the NIA lies to them. They say, no, none of this happened. We didn't approve this. This is all, you know, Burney, Bernie must be, you know, the implication is that he's just an old senile fart. And I don't know what he was thinking. You get millions and hundreds of millions of dollars, but when we finally start pointing it out, you're an idiot, then you don't know what you're doing.

Well, kind of like Tony Fauci's senior advisor that he was so careful to distance himself from, but which had his phone number and would go to his house to drop up documents. Right, right. But so they lie to the Oversight Committee, which has direct authorization for overseeing all activities within HHS. They are the committee in the House. They lie to him, then they obfuscate, then they withhold documents when they requested. They do everything they can to block the committee from finding out what actually happened. And they continue to deny.

that Bernie did the things that Bernie said to Science Magazine he did. Okay? Yeah. They continue to assert this. And finally, out of the blue, I knew nothing about this. And I've got inside contacts that have some pretty good ideas about what's going on in D.C. that share from time to time. Yeah.

And I, out of the blue, yesterday, drops this statement from the Republican side. And somehow only the Republicans have known that they were doing this investigation. Right, or seem to care, right? That, in fact, this has been going on, that there's been this gain of function research happening intramurally, and the NIH is hiding it, denying it, obfuscating, doing everything they can.

And the committee in their statement, which I'm sure you'll link to this clip. I know you've got a substack on it and everything else right. Yep, yep. So it's readily available. Anybody can go look for themselves. But the committee says, in a court of law, if a defendant withholds information, then it's legal to consider in a court of law

that basically, I'm paraphrasing, I'm not a lawyer, that they're hiding something. Right. Okay? If they're refusing to disclose under FOIA stuff that your group and Aaron Siri is trying to get out of them, it's usually for good reason, right? And they don't want you to see it. Because there's something there that's incriminating. And so this is the conclusion of the committee is that the NIA has an obligation to prove that these experiments weren't done, despite the fact of Dr. Moss saying that they were done and bragging about it to Science Magazine. And the NIAD is doing everything they can to not provide that information to the committee.

And so the committee concludes these experiments probably happened. Right. And the key point here that I'm emphasizing in the substack, and I'm grateful for the opportunity to say here, is that we have a culture at NIAD and in this gain of function community that is, it's sick. It's a culture of with a sense of entitlement, that they are the smart ones, they know what they're doing, The likes of Rand Paul is not smart enough, are not smart enough to provide oversight. And so it's okay to hide these things from the government and from the House. It has this obligation on behalf of the likes of you and me and our viewership to perform diligence on these activities. And the position clearly of the NIAD is that we know better and we're going to hide this information from you because you're not competent to provide.

oversight for us, even though that's your job. Instead, I mean, alternatively, their position might be, oh, we're going to help educate you so that you can really understand our point of view. I mean, there's a lot of ways this could be played. Yeah. Okay. But instead, they're just stonewalling. And my point is this.

This is now three strikes. It's time to say you're out. Yeah, I agree. And to his credit, Bobby Kennan, said this a couple of years ago that we're going to have to shut down the NIAD for a period of time and that's the importance of that Bob Redfield clip is Bob had the courage despite the fact friends I love them I love the work and I shut it down I remember when that happened right okay I I had colleagues at

Ridd that were stunned I knew the guy that was operationally in charge of that and then he got elevated up to the Pentagon I mean that that was a big deal and by the way The reason why that really happened, this is not out in the press, is because they had problems with their air handling for their new facility that they just built. Multi-million dollar facility. Circulation in the time of air. Exactly the problem that happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,

where they weren't able to control the air pressure so that it's reverse air pressure. The air only goes into the laboratory and then out through the hepa filters and doesn't come back out to infect people, because a lot of these viruses are aerosolized, Okay. And the Yusamrid facility was designed for monkey experiments, including with Ebola, and the architects screwed up. And once they had this multi-million dollar facility built,

they couldn't fix the air handling. And so there was this risk that whatever nasties were going to go into this new building. Anybody that's been to Yusamrid knows it's basically like an old school. It is way antiquated. It's scary what goes on there under those cases. conditions. And so they built him a fancy new building and they blew it. And that is why that plus all kinds of malfeasance in terms of fund shifting and not, you know, not, well, it comes down to the same thing. It's arrogance that we at Usamrid or we at Niyadh doing this kind of stuff no best. And we don't need to listen to Congress or the Pentagon or wedding. because we're the ones that really understand what's going on and what the risks are and you guys are wrong. Yeah. And so I'm with, I'm now, and this is a big move for me.

I previously at the Texas Senate testimonies like a year ago said that there needs to be a moratorium on gain of function research and I advocated that that be written into the law. It didn't make it. Right. Unfortunately. Right. But here we are in Texas. Yeah.

So there is gain of function research going on here at the University of the University of Texas. On behalf of Pfizer. I documented that over a year ago. But the legislature wouldn't shut it down and there it is. But we have to stop this. This is an arrogant, entitled culture that believes that it's acceptable to do these things, which we now have clear documentation. The segment that you just did, documenting the failure of the CDC, to provide proper controls. Something we just discovered before having him on the show connects another story. When we talk about arrogance, when we talk about arrogance in science, I was just at a premiere

last week of Protocol 7. We had Dr. Andrew Wakefield on this show discussing his film. And just to remind you, there's actually a connection with Dr. Robert Malone. We just found out. And Protocol 7, for those of you that maybe didn't see that show so I can pull it all Here's the trailer for this incredible film that just premiered last week here in Austin, Texas. He was an orphan of conflict in Africa. He was smart and bright and then we got him home and he crashed right in front of us.

Apparently, we're in the midst of a month's outbreak. Another? Some people, some very important people are saying our vaccine does not work. You're going to want to read this. We have a U.S. Monopoly and a major share of the world market for MMR. And we own the only one that works. Except that it does not. We all sign contracts, Chapman.

Company interests, above all others. Make it work. They fake the data. It's all there. They cheated on every level. You said you're a lawyer. Family law. And you want to understand why.

Let me see it. They couldn't get the result they wanted. So they re-engineered it. That objective to improve the vaccine but find something that gets the result they want. Fix it, gentlemen. 96%. The vaccine fails.

We're all out of a job. It has failed. You need to get what's going on here. Is he in danger? Internal memos were released. Quote, we may have to seek them out and destroy them where they live. Shelly knows. And yes, he is in danger.

What about he's all? Your son and every other son and daughter depends on whether or not you choose to live by their rules. Incineration immediately. Can we trust him to keep it together? Were you aware? Some tests included the weakened strain, I believe. And did you approve? I guess so.

Were you aware of the lab's failure to demonstrate efficacy of the Mumps vaccine? A level required by the FDA? No, to respond to the FDA's concerns. And leave a dangerous vaccine on the market. Dangerous? Objection. Strongly recommended booster shots. Of course you did.

What have they got? That's right. Nothing is what they got. Would you please identify this document for us? Please identify Exhibit 2 for me. They've got stuff. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. Exhibit 3, please.

This is a confidential document. Objection. These were shredded. It's a protocol. They've got the sheets. They've got the evidence I was told they didn't have. No one will ever believe them again. Well, we saw that the Blaze had an article about the fact that you are actually an expert witness in this case of protocol.

which is about the failure of the mumps part of the mmr vaccine that it was proving we were seeing mumps outbreaks all across the country in fully vaccinated individuals and this movie and this story and this case that's still ongoing is about this cover up by the scientists what how are you involved in this this and when did this start like when did you get involved in this case 2016 so since two that so before before covid uh way before covid uh before i think the or around the time of the ban on gain of function research. Okay. And so I have to be very careful because this is an ongoing litigation.

Yes. This has not been resolved. Right. And so I'm under nondisclosure agreements. What I'm allowed to say is that, in fact, yes, I did prepare the expert witness report for the attorneys prosecuting the Ketam case, so this is a whistleblower case, and that I submitted that report.

That's all I'm allowed to say. The report has now been recently made publicly available, which is why it's cited in the Blaze study, or the Blaze press coverage. And anyone can go and read that report and make their own decisions. Yeah. And that's about all I'm allowed to say.

Okay. Well, super fascinating that you're in this world even before we knew it. Long before. Long before. So I imagine that says that you weren't new to questions about science and tampering of science. Again, I have to be very cautious in what I say. I've been coached that I cannot comment on an ongoing case. But I raised concerns. People don't realize this is not my first rodeo as a whistleblower. Yeah. Okay, I basically destroyed my academic career at the University of Maryland on the advice of my mentor, my bioethics mentor, when I spoke out to the press, including Cheryl Gaye Stolberg, I was a key source for her during the Jesse Gelsinger case. This was the death by a UPenn researcher and a UPenn research team using an adenovirus vector gene therapy, adenovirus being the same platform. that was used by J&J or Jonson and Asterzeneca. So this was a gene therapy trial involving a young man

in which the researchers went off protocol because they weren't getting a clinical response with the allowed doses, and so they went to a higher dose without getting permission to do so, and the kid developed what's called DIC or disseminated intravascular coagulation, coagulation and he died. And it basically shut down the entire gene therapy domain. Right. And a huge black mark for this very high profile UPenn investigator. And I was

confront, I shared what I knew about this with my mentor and he said, you have an obligation, Robert, to go public with what you know. And I knew at that time, if I did so, I would destroy that phase of my career as an academic. And in fact, I did, and it did. And yet, I survived. I survived because people respected that I acted with integrity. I had numerous friends and colleagues that knew

I was a person who acted with integrity. And they supported me. And that allowed me to carry on. You know, I do have kids, now grandkids, obligations, wife, et cetera. I have to pay my bills. Yeah. But I had the experience of having spoken truth to power once before, in a very sensitive way, compromised what had been my career, and yet the way I like to put is I still own my soul.

You do. And there's a question I have to ask because I really think it's pending. And what you're talking about is gain of function is going on for monkeypox. And they're trying to make these things infectious and, you know, super virulent. For all the best reasons. For all the best reasons. Fundamental science. Let's just make the deadliest thing we can.

They're doing it with bird flu, which is super scary research. We are not, and I'm still shocked. We're just like, oh, yeah, well, consensus now says it was a lab leak. Well, then what the hell is it? What are the consequences? What is the consequence? What is this thing? Because it appears to me, as I now see it, that if it's a lab leak, we took a virus that

didn't really infect humans very well, gave it a fair and cleveland site and a few other attributes that turned made it just highly infectious for human beings. Then we put out a vaccine that made sure that we cannot eliminate it from the planet, made it endemic because our bodies cannot fight it off. We're all harboring it, carrying it, sharing it, and it's continuing to evolve. So we, we sat in a lab, we increased its, you know, potential maybe 100 years. Who knows? Maybe would have done it in nature, 5, 10, could have taken 100 years to develop the ability to infect people, the way it does. But now that's its starting point, and now it's off and running and

evolving. Okay, Del, there's something, you know that I've now spent four years trying to figure out this core question. Who are the puppet masters and what the heck happened to all of us? Right. The other day a follower on my substack sent me an article that

was written an interview from 2017 from a journal in New Zealand. It comes from a guy named Alexander Kossimov. I think I'm pronouncing that right. Okay. Alexander Kossimov happens to be a former Soviet agent, intelligence agent, from the USSR and then from Russia, whose job it was to engage in bioterrorism-related activities. Okay.

Okay. And he got pissed off at his supervisor because he thought he was corrupt, and he quit the organization in Russia at this time, and immigrated to New Zealand and hung out his shingle as a consultant. and then he did this interview in 2017, right after the prior H5N1 perfuffle. Yes. Okay? Because this is not the first rodeo for bird flu. This is the gift that keeps on giving. If you're one of these folks that wants to do this,

he uses the term information bioterrorism. I use the term psychological bioterrorism. He makes the clear case that the economic impact of information bioterrorism or psychological bioterrorism, or psychological bioterrorism is at least tenfold greater than any of the documented actual bioterrorism events

like the ones that happen in the subway and in Tokyo, etc. Yeah. And he goes through a series of steps he's speaking as an expert in spycraft. He's just laying out this is how we do it.

Okay. And he lays out this series of steps that are used in in promoting weaponized fear around infectious disease for profit in control and disruption of society. And remember this 2017? Yeah. He lays out this series of steps. He has words to define the different players and how they interact, you know, thought leaders

and the press, et cetera. And what their roles are that they play as they go through this process. Yeah. He's just laying out spy crap. This is how it's done. This is how you do it. Okay? And I read through this thing, and I'm gobsmacked, because it is the script for what happened to us during the COVID crisis. And at that point... So whether or not it's a bio lab leak or whatever, it wasn't nearly as dangerous as what they did to us with the fear of this thing out in the public. And which they're doing... We destroyed everything we believe in, took away our rights, took away a right to go to a courtroom, took our jobs away, destroyed our children's education, you know,

destroyed religion and churches, ability to congregate, all these fundamental rights written into the Constitution, just thrown out the door. So then you've perfectly set me up for my final question because I watched Deborah Berks and a lot of we just reported and they're saying things on the news, like where you're seeing, you know,

bird flu vaccines being distributed across the EU, buying tens, hundreds of millions of these things right now. Ursula lied, you're just doing it again. We're making the same mistakes as COVID, but um bum yeah no consequence are we about to go into a bird flu pandemic you think this fall what do you think the odds of that are so uh that's my there's no question that we are going into a another round of psychological bioterrorism involving weaponized fear about an infectious disease okay there is no evidence of sustained human to human transmission of h5n1 now or in the past right remember these

stories about the dairy workers that got infected, okay? And yet the mortality rate, according to the WHO and the FDA is 30 plus percent case fatality rate, okay? Right. The problem is that is a error in sampling. That's a data sampling error, just like the one that died that you just covered in Mexico, who had all these pre-existing conditions for H5N2, and now the Mexican government says wasn't even H5N2, okay? This is the same story as using the PCR, to get a positive signal for somebody that comes into the hospital, because then you get a federal bonus. Even if they got a gunshot to the head,

you can call it a COVID death, and then you can get rake in these extra bucks, right? It's the same kind of thing. So Deborah Burke's saying that we want to test all the dairy workers and all the cows every month, okay? This is guaranteed to give some positive signal that then can be amplified by the New York Times and the usual cast of characters,

the Washington Post that are basically the new provdha for the American government and for this whole cabal that weaponizes infectious disease fear porn. Yep. And just like they did with monkeypox. And absolutely, you know, it comes right on the threshold of the elections. Yep. And all these other things and people are scared silly about what's going on financially, the fact that the central bank digital currency story is ready to be used.

deployed on all of us. And then, Del, as you recall, when we were in Geneva, the only thing that people could talk about in small groups was not the sneakiness of Tedros and the WHO. It was the risk of the American deployment of tactical nukes in Russia right before the election. I mean, all these things, I hate to say it. It sounds so crazy. But a lot of people are saying it now and you ran, you know, you did a great series on what the meaning of the just concluded European Parliament of elections are. And a major thread in all of those parties labeled as far right, I assert these are center-right populist parties. Sure, right. Is they don't want war. Right. And they are all scared silly about the drumbeat of

NATO, the German Republic has now authorized, the Bundestag has authorized German soldiers to go to battle inside Russian territory. That's crazy. Okay? It's like, it's as if they don't think that the weaponized fear about infectious disease is gonna be enough.

And so they have to add layers and layers of fear on top of that to get us to, whatever end they are seeking and whoever they are. And that's the big question is, who is this cabal that is orchestrating this? And personally, I've come to the conclusion and it's totally aligned with Cosmov's statements. Operationally, this is CIA together with the Five Eyes Alliance that are busy doing the kind of technical orchestrating. I don't think they're the puppet masters behind it. I think they're operational, but they are definitely central to it.

And I'm concerned, but fundamentally, and this is my latest thing, okay, is the deployment of fear about infectious disease in order to manipulate and control populations is fundamentally unethical. This is wrong. And the people that are doing this type of stuff need to be shamed. They need to be forbidden from engaging in public discourse. They need to be forbidden from participating in the World Health Organization of the United Nations. They need to be forbidden from participating in our government.

This is fundamentally wrong. People that will weaponize fear in the general population of infectious disease have no right to be involved. in public discourse and somehow we have got to make it clear that this is this is not acceptable behavior fantastic absolutely from your lips to God's ears we got work to do and I'm so glad that you know have you on our team thanks dr. Robert Malone incredible thank you thank you well I mean this is what the high wire does brings you incredible scientists like this we're not going to stop doing it it's who we are and I just want to celebrate for a moment,

all the amazing voices that are speaking truth to you here on the High Wire. The Inform Consent Action Network. You know them as I Can. The High Wire and I Can fighting on your behalf. The High Wire, you know Del Bigtree. Thank you to all the individuals who are watching on the High Wire across the world. Without further ado from the High Wire, friend of mine, a friend of yours, Mr. Dell Bigtree. We did it!

Here we are present and accounted for. You were at the doctor's show. We were being forbidden to talk about what you were seeing and what you knew needed to be talked about. So you went out and created the high wire. Wherever you are out there in the world. How about we all step out onto the high wire? When the whole pandemic stopped,

this was really where I got my knowledge from. I saw all the scientists, all the doctors. Religiously, you know, every Thursday, we're going to be. You know, every Thursday. We need that encouragement from each other. You allowed a lot of us to take that dive into the science and really get immersed in it. So thank you.

This is why I love watching your show. This is why I love watching you. It's a comprehensive overview, but it's also built and supported with detail and with evidence. CNN and Anderson Cooper has been reaching out to us and all the other mainstream guys. But I need to share my side of the story

and I know that there's only one person who's going to do it right and that's still a big treat. You guys are the mainstream media now. they're done and dead it's over. The media like the Highwire in Dell Big Tree not only reporting the truth every week, but also fighting in court for justice. I think what we have in common is the passion for the truth, right?

Yeah. I see you as somebody who's investigating, you know, what are the real facts and data? You are one of the beacons for all of us. When things get really dark, I turn on the Highwire. Lifts me back up every time. Del, your confidence is So inspiring.

Thank you for doing all that you do, fighting the good fight. Del, I really appreciate your hard work and you team. Thank you for giving us a voice. I appreciate you so much. It's an honor to be here. Thank you. What can we create when we connect together? Good to be with you, Del.

You too, bro. Thank you for your continued support and your friendship, Del. We're just grateful for the chance to talk to you and for your support and interest in our latest declaration. It's great to be on your show and thank you for everything you've been doing in terms of providing the truth to people regarding COVID and the vaccines. You've been in a war zone. of your own. It's a really lethal war zone, right? When you get into the realm of big farmer and all that money that is at stake there, all the power players. This is a war for survival, survival of the soul of humanity. Ultimately, it's going to have to take people ready to sacrifice everything in order to

bring the truth to the world. I've been one of the silent people with injured children who have hidden behind you, rooting you on for years, and it's time that I stand beside you. We're standing up And we're fighting for you. We're fighting for those who cannot fight for themselves. That is what the truth is all about. That is what being alive is all about. And that's what the high wire is about. I'll see you next week.

I want to wrap up this show with just, you know, a thought to try and tie all of this together. To begin with, you get to tune in the high wire every week. We are being as transparent with you with the information as we find it. But we're not sharing every idea. I'm not sharing every thought or concern I have because most of the time I'm not going to share it with you until I can prove it. We are doing investigations constantly, perpetually across the country, across the world. Number one, because I don't want to instill a false fear. And I think what Robert Malone just said is so important.

The biggest danger, you know, or as was so perfectly said, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. Fear is the weapon. Knowledge is the answer. and do not, you know, conflate the two. Being informed does not mean that you should be afraid. It means you're aware of what's taking place, and now you can do something about it. And just before the show, you know,

I was having a conversation with Dr. Robert Malone, his beautiful wife, Jill, and we're all laughing about bird flu in all of it. And I said, people ask, how are we laughing? This is so dramatic, because we have knowledge. And that gives us power. It gives us the ability to inform, and that's what we're trying to do for you.

But you know what one of the scariest things is, is not knowing who you can trust. And that is one of the situations we're dealing with now as we look at our government. And there's so much, we look at our news. We're being lied to you all the time. We're catching them lying to us. And as I've said, you've got to start questioning everything, which at the top of the show means sometimes you're going to question me and the work that we do here. That's your job.

That's what you should be doing. But there's a process to that then. Where does that process take you? Don't just live in the fear and the question. Don't just take that someone has pointed out, hey, I think we should question Dell on this or Dr. Robert Malone or whoever it is. Part of, I think that journey should be, okay, let me run through a few checkpoints. And I'm giving me the ones that I run through.

Because we've had a lot of different scientists, Gert Van Den Bosch, Dr. Robert Malone, Pierre-Core, you know, you name it, that there's a question. They used to work for the system, or they still do work for the system, you know, or Del Bigfrey used to work for CBS on a show that was funded by the pharmaceutical industry. All true. That is true. And one of the things that I see happening is you can't trust them because they used to work for that group, which means, by the way, then there's no such thing as a whistleblower. The no whistle, you're never going to allow any whistleblower to save you or bring you information because once they work for an industry, that means they always work for them. What I do, when I try to think of who we're going to have on the show and the questions that are around them, I say, is there anything in the work that I see them doing that somehow benefits the government?

And is there, you know, or the CIA or the dark forces or whatever you want to describe it as? Like, how would they be working for them? And, you know, it's almost impossible to figure out, but they have a pretty good track record of really giving devastating information to the agenda. They're against the agenda, and they're breaking the agenda in terms of Dr. Robert Malone. Why in the world would anyone decide to say, you know, let's say the CIA, hey, you know what, I got a great idea. Right at the moment where we're going to launch a COVID vaccine, rush it on the market, and attempt to take over the world, attempt to pass vaccine passports. So everyone is carrying a tracking system. All these things we saw them coming, right?

They were well on their way across the world. you know what we should do? We should find the guy that invented this, like arguably invented this technology and parade him out and make everybody afraid of that vaccine. Does that make any sense whatsoever? And he was devastating at it. He's incredible at it. People by the millions across the world stopped taking the COVID vaccine right away, warned everyone they knew. Because the government wanted to do that just because why?

How did that help them? How did that help the CIA? I don't get it. And those are the things that I run through my mind. And so the next time you find yourself, ask yourself, I wonder if Dell Bigtree is controlled opposition, the work of the high wire. Ask yourself, what benefit? I mean, how would that work?

I once had someone walk up to me at a speak engagement center. Are you controlled opposition? I was like, all right. Well, I mean, people were about to attack. I mean, a lot of people were there to thank me. And I was like, well, hang off. She's allowed to ask that question. I said, how does that story end exactly?

Because all I've done is run a show that brings, reveals all of the issues they're trying to hide from you. All of the things they're now only being revealed in congressional hearings. We got it right on the high wire. We warned you from the very beginning. This vaccine isn't going to stop transmission. This vaccine killed animals in the animal trials and it should not be rushed onto the market. Really? Is that what a government person would do?

An internal CIA. I'm really working for the other side. I'm going to undermine all of your faith in this product that they're trying to take the world over with. And then I would go ahead and launch lawsuits against the government of the United States, reveal that they've never done any safety testing on any of the vaccines. We have evidence of that because I sued and won. And then I'm going to sue for the military and make sure that they can say, F you to their own government. I'm not taking the vaccine and still keep their jobs.

I did that with Aaron and it's not just me, this incredible group, but we did that. And then we go and get back the religious exemption from Mississippi so that every student in Mississippi that is being forced to take a vaccine by the vaccine program no longer has to. Can now opt out across that entire state and we continue to fight in every other state. And you're telling me it makes sense to you that that's someone that would be working for the other side. If that is how your math works, I hate to see what grades you got in math. Okay, do the homework.

Go ahead and ask the question. But as I ask that person, how does this story end? if I am working for the other side, I set up a nonprofit, I do nothing but out and bring in all the best scientists in the world that end up proving to be true years later when the government is calling them liars, censoring all of us and they're shutting down my YouTube channels, we're winning lawsuits, thousands of FOIA requests against the government which I parade in front of you and win back the religious exemption, you know, fighting across this country, all because in the end, I, my big diabolical plan was what? What is the plan? What is the big move I do that then reveals my cards? This is what I asked the person in my face, and she said, oh, I didn't really like think about that.

Okay? That's my problem. If you're going to accuse someone of something, especially like working for the other side, at least do the work to write an entire story. Don't leave the ending off of that story because the beginning in the middle that someone said in a YouTube video really got you all riled up. How does their story end? Del Beechree then one day said, you know what?

I love vaccines. I've changed my mind. Follow me, everybody. Let's go get all 72 vaccines that we've skipped out on for the last several years of our lives. Would you actually follow me? Would you actually do it? I would hope at that point you say, I think he's flipped his lid and he's off his rocker. I certainly don't think it would make up for all the damage that I've done because you're too smart.

We trust you. I trust you. I want a government that trusts you again. Stopps doing what Robert Malone is saying, which is working behind the scenes because you're too stupid. You can't handle the truth. You ran Paul can't handle the truth. You're a moron. Therefore, we have to lie to everybody.

That is not what our founding fathers believed. They had the opportunity to say, we're only going to let landowners, people smart enough to make money and buy land vote. That lost. They said, no, everyone votes. Everyone has a voice. Everyone in America gets to be trusted. We're going to trust the people with the truth. When your government starts fearing you,

then you know, and they express you're too stupid to make your own decisions, you're about to lose every right you have. So please ask the questions, but do your research. And for God's sakes, at least think through an entire story. Imagine writing out and saying, would that make any sense? That's all I'm asking you to do this week, because there's people you're going to need to trust. And I hope it's the people that have been right and honest with you the whole time. And have never let you down, never had to come back and say, sorry, I made you look like an idiot.

That was a piece of bad information. Or never apologize at all and act like they didn't get it wrong. write those people off but stand with the ones that are telling you the truth because you're going to need them more than ever before this is the high wire we work really hard to get this right and we're not choosing sides we're choosing truth i'll see you next week