The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 377: FALSE PANDEMICS

Episode Date: June 21, 2024

Jefferey Jaxen reports on Selective Service Now to Include Women and be automated, and pressure ramping up over Bird Flu vaccine; Bird Flu expert asks if we are dealing with a false pandemic; Del celebrates the life of good friend, Dr. Jim Meehan; The Key to Fixing our Broken Medical SystemGuests: Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, Dr. James NeuenschwanderBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. I want to dedicate today's show to my good friend and fellow warrior Jim Mehan, who we lost this week. I have only turned this desk over to two people in our entire run of the high wire, one of them being the great Jim Mehan. And I'm going to talk about his brilliant legacy and all of the power that he brought to this movement later on in the show. But Jim, if you're watching, man, we love you.

Thank you for your blessing to this world. A huge show coming up. We are really starting to stare in the face of what appears to be. be a buildup to a bird flu pandemic. Remember, this is something that really has never accurately left, you know, birds and gotten into human beings, but that's not going to stop them. It appears from making us all terrified of an upcoming pandemic. I'm going to talk to Wolfgang Vodar, who is just a brilliant doctor, scientist. He's served in parliament. He wrote the book, fake pandemics. we're going to get into what is the reality?

Will they attempt to pull this off? What is the timeline? I'm going to talk to Dr. James Newen-Schwander about MAPS doctors. These are the guys that are actually looking at the problems that vaccines are causing all the crisis of autoimmune disease, neurological disorders that now affects 60% of our population. So if you don't know about MAPS doctors, we're going to get into it because our future may depend on it. But first is time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey, we're going to jump right into it. There's so much to talk about. The news is starting to annoy me like it did a couple

of years ago. Like you know, you just watch it thinking you've got to be kidding me. We'll start out with the story you're probably talking about here. Making headlines this week, a lot of people are concerned that the military draft is coming back. Why are they thinking this? Well, there's a lot of moving parts of the story, so let's dig right into it. Okay. In the United States here, we have the selective service system. So all males 18 to 26 are supposed to enroll in this when they turn 18. And from that pool, if there's a war, the Department of Defense can choose from that pool

to induct these people into war, into the military, basically. So what happened over this last week was the National Defense Authorization Act. This is a yearly act. It gets re-opt. to everyone, all the people put basically the legislators, the lawmakers, put their kind of wish lists into here what they want. You know, we've seen the Patriot Act come from this. We've seen some really interesting things come from the National Defense Authorization Act in the past. But one of the things that we saw was an automatic induction into the selective service system.

This is the headline here. Congress moves to make selective service automatic. So it wasn't really automatic before. It goes into this, in the article here, it goes into this. It says, while it is a felony not to register currently, there is still a shred of voluntary left, automatically registering young men for what is essentially a drafty list rips the last veil away. And though there is no act of conscription for war today, this would make it a lot easier for Uncle Sam to start it. So USA Today went into this and talks about what happens because, like it said, it is a felony not to register if you're 18 currently.

I mean, Jeffrey, honestly, did you register? I don't remember ever registering. I mean, is that something? Was there a box? I checked, wasn't paying attention? You know, were we all like, you know, up for felonies and didn't know it? I'm sort of confused that that was a responsibility. If we are for felonies, the track record is pretty good here because this investigation by USA Today, it says this. It says still, only 20 men have been criminally charged with refusing a register for the draft since President Jimmy Carter reinstated it in 1980 in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Only 14 were convicted. The last indictment in 1986 was dismissed before it went to trial.

So now the system relies large and non-voluntary compliance of patchwork of state laws and the risk of losing federal benefits. So if you go to the Selective Service website, it basically is like a poster. It's like an ad saying, hey, don't forget to fill this out, everybody. So there's now two versions of this National Defense Authorization Act going. One is passed through the House. Now, this is the one they're talking about. If you look at this bill right now, as it's written, it says this, except as otherwise provided in this title, every male citizen of the United States and every other male person residing in the United States between the ages of 18 and 26 shall be automatically registered under this act by the director of the Selective Service System. Now, the Senate Armed Services.

Wait, hold on a second. Go back to that. This is, I know we've sort of looked through this a little bit. What does it mean by every male citizen in the United States and every other male person residing in the United States? United States. Is that, does that mean we have the potential we keep talking about all these military aged men that are coming in illegally? Is that, is it possible that they get enrolled into fighting in our armed forces? The language does seem to leave it open and nothing, it's September 30th is the end of this fiscal year for this bill passed. So up until that time, we're going to see some, I think, some hotly debated and contested points on this going back and forth before it

really becomes law, the president signs it. So that's disturbing about that. Like, I mean, just, and I know I'm off course. We've talked about what we thought we were going to talk about, but that really jumps out at me, Jeffrey, because when we look at the concern that we have of authoritarian governments, when we went through what we did with the COVID pandemic, you always look at these other nations that were way ahead of us on authoritarianism, right?

We have this brilliant constitution that's been standing in the way, though it got really stepped on. The question is, does a military, ever turn on its own people. And many times we've seen the military step down and not take the orders to attack their own people. But what if your military is filled with people that are not? Citizens here did not grow up in this country, have no affinity to our country. If your military is made up of those people, seems like they would do just about anything they're asked. I don't know. It's something that I think I want to look into more. So let's definitely

look into that because that just seems very problematic. Yeah, we're seeing actually some foreshadowing that in Seattle, the DACA immigrants are allowed to apply for law enforcement positions. That's one city. That's making headlines as well. But let's jump back to this really quick. Senate, the Senate Armed Services Committee has its own version. So now there's the House version and the Senate Armed Services Committee. So these are two versions. These are like wish lists. Now it's passed, it did pass the Senate Armed Services Committee by a vote of 22 to 3, I believe it was. But what's interesting in there is you look through that document doesn't say anything about automatic registration but it does say this it amends the military select service act to require the

registration of women for selective service now this has been a contested subject since 1980 when women were not allowed or basically not not allowed to be in the selective service system in 2019 district judge ruled that the women should be allowed this was a lower court ruling court ruling renews debate on women in the draft but then in 2021 the Supreme court wrote an opinion on it and basically kick the matter this is ap it kicked the matter back to lawmakers so the high court won't review men only draft registration law so basically said the supreme court it's said it's going to be up to congress they're going to have to figure this out we're not going to get involved this there's still deliberation going in on this so end of fiscal year

september 30th 2024 this is when it's all going to go down so there's going to be some back and forth they're going to try to mesh these these points together i mean is it possible we come out with an automatic selective service system for men and women, absolutely. And this is why people are kind of concerned about this. But why is this happening? Well, perhaps one of the reasons is this headline in 2022 New York Times, New York, with few able and few willing, U.S. military can't find recruits. This was at a time when they were basically kicking people out, servicemen and women for not getting the vaccine, the COVID vaccine. So they're at all-time record lows for recruitment. So this is a huge issue for the military.

There's several issues, Jeffrey, that I have with this issue. First of all, you and I both, you know, believe wholeheartedly in this country, in standing for our sovereignty and protecting it, no matter what I will, you know, I would absolutely put myself in harm's way if it meant protecting this nation for the future of my children. So am I against the draft? My problem is all the wars that I've seen in my lifetime never seemed to have. done anything to protect my nation. They seem to be for, you know, sort of corporate and special interests. And that bothers me. And none of it seems to have landed in making the world a safer

place. But what's really disturbing here, when I think fewer able that that concept, you know, when we think of a draft and we think of people going in the military, when we talk about what we do, 60% of our country now has a neurological or autoimmune disease. their entire life. They are chronically ill. That makes them, most of them, I think, ineligible to even be in the military. So can you imagine? Look at what we've done to ourselves. In the 1980s, back when we're talking about Jimmy Carter days when you might have drafted, only 12.8% of our population had chronic illness. Now, and this is the last, in 2011, 54%, we, you know, there's a lot of signs showing that it's at least 60%. So when you think about how many of the

people are raising their kids that are watching this show that are feeding your kids right, exercise, and certainly not injecting them with vaccines and destroying their immune systems and, you know, getting into all the autoimmune problems and the myocarditis and the parocharditis that is going to take all these other now all of a sudden, that pool ends up being my kids. And that bothers me. That really bothers me. And it's why it makes, I think, this issue very important for the people watching our show right now. An extremely valid point. And also the ideas, like you mentioned, you touched on there, the idea of running off to war is not really a popular one. And we look at this chart here. This is the

Selective Service Systems chart since, basically over a century since World War I. And you can see here the conscription bringing these people into the military. World War I, you're looking at almost 250 million people. World War II, you have almost 350 million men. And then you see Korea, Vietnam, obviously smaller wars, but especially when it hits Vietnam, this was a widely unpopular war, especially as it dragged on politically and socially. And 1969 was the first really drafts. We're talking over 50 years ago for the Vietnam War. And how was it done? Well, that evening, all the males in the United States who knew what was going on were probably huddled around their TVs, 18 through 25, I believe it was at that time.

uh... with apprehension and they watch this take a look the draft lottery a live report on tonight's picking of the birth dates for the draft here at selective service headquarters in washington is cb sbis news correspondent roger mud it was twenty nine years ago that the first and most famous lottery number one hundred eighty eight was drawn as the united states enter world war two tonight for the first time in uh...

27 years, the United States has again started a draft lottery. And the famous first pick tonight is September 14th, the first birthday that now is designated 001, which means for 19-year-olds born on September 14th, that beginning in January, local draft boards will induct those men born on September 14th, barring the next birthday in order April 24th. and so on down the line to see. Fairly ominous lottery there. It's not like a winning lottery, you know. Amazing. And so the draftee whose birthdays were called may find themselves in the Vietnam War Zone at their first tour

basically less than six months after their basic training. So they go right into that. And just a quick history lesson here. I'll take a moment for the Vietnam War. We have the famous whistleblower, Daniel Ellsberg. He was a Ram Corporation whistleblower. He leaked the Pentagon Papers in 1971 to the New York Times.

And what those showed, we actually have the copy of the first installment. They ran several installments and issues of this. But it traced the decades of U.S. involvement before the war in Vietnam, basically trying to topple the regime there, the communist regime. And even the Gulf of Tonkin incident that history told us was the reason we entered the war, turned out because of these Pentagon papers and others turned out to be a false pretext. So as you said earlier, basically a lot of these wars, they're really not what they were told to be up front when people were drafted for this. So it's really important.

We have this alternative media, this independent media telling a story as well because we're entering into a time again where we're seeing these drums of war. And we're not just seeing this in America. This is what makes a story so interesting because it's not just, you know, we don't have enough recruits in America. So we're going to make this automatic registration to the Selective Service. This is happening everywhere. And there's a big war happening, Ukraine, Russia. And this is headlines in Europe. UK and other NATO allies urge to consider conscription as Ukraine war enters third year.

Germany takes one of the largest steps. A first step towards conscription. Germany proposes new selective military service. So they're saying this, everyone has to be in military service now. And then we're having some more movement on this space in July 9th, starting July 9th, Washington, D.C., we're going to have a NATO summit. And in that NATO summit, the U.S. and key allies, according to AAP News, are debating what commitment to give on Ukraine joining NATO at this upcoming summit. So I'm sorry, that was CNN. So remember NATO with Ukraine joining NATO, that is the red line in the sand for Russia.

Obviously, nothing's been committed to it, but they keep kind of beating around that bush very hard. And it's not helping when the NATO chiefs are touting this. NATO chief tout's nuclear move to counter Russia-China threat. So they're putting their nuclear arms on standby. So we're in really, really interesting times right now. And this military draft has a lot of people paying attention and potential for it. So you mentioned at the top of the show, though, I want to switch gears to what's happening right here in the United States.

Bird flu, we've talked about this over the last couple of weeks because it's really been ramping up. We talked about the gain of function background on this. We talk about the increased testing. But now it's time for the vaccine conversation because that is the newest movement right now. Take a look. All right. Are we heading towards another pandemic?

Could this turn into another COVID? Concerns are growing over the possible spread of bird flu in the U.S. With worries over the potential spread of bird flu, there's also renewed focus on a vaccine. We do know that they're preparing in production 4.8 million vaccines. This new vaccine is following the same pipeline that led to the quick development of the COVID vaccine. MRNA vaccines are such an agile platform. As soon as we see a new virus, whether it's a coronavirus or in this case a flu virus, we can very quickly design new mRNA vaccines to be specifically matched to what's circulating.

One of the things we have to look at, look, what Finland's doing, which I mentioned last week, is to vaccinate the high-risk farm workers. We already have H5N1 vaccine stockpiled in this country, specifically. for this reason. We need to use it. We need to nip this in the bud before the virus gets used to transmitting between humans and becoming very good at it. That's not what we want. Man, I mean, when I think about, you know, we've done a lot of shows when they were looking even at Omicron, these other, you know, variants of COVID, how the vaccinated seemed to accelerate the process of the evolution of the virus in a leaky vaccine that is not stopping transmission or

killing the virus. This sounds like, a really, really bad idea. And I know a lot of people around the world are tuning in to our show for this conversation because of reporting during COVID. So let's get into this vaccine topic because we're here now with the bird flu, which a lot of, you know,

a lot of people probably can't believe, but here's the headlines. It's almost like deja vu. US to make millions of bird flu vaccine doses this summer as cases grow. The CDC has its influenza monitoring site. They're looking at the novel influenza A. And since 2022,

which was when this birth flu outbreak really began, but we're being told it was. 350 people have been tested. So really low numbers here, if you're looking at compared to even the beginning of COVID. So that's going to be something for people to watch out for. When those tests start going up in people exponentially, this lays the groundwork, as we know,

for this vaccination paradigm, this program for the birth flu. But Finland's not waiting. Remember what we were calling it, or a lot of people were calling it was a testemic, right? This idea that you started testing, You were running these incredibly sensitive cycles, tests that really could give you false positives like crazy. But what difference does it make, you know, if you're asymptomatic and healthy? And here we go again with bird flu, vaccinations, recommending them, testing people.

And as we point out so many times on this show, that that narrative that when you start seeing the media all saying the same thing, that's not news anymore. That's propaganda. Now your government health agencies and the WHO and maybe the WEF is in there, who knows, but they are writing these lines now for all of your news to start telling you these things, to start running these things. That's when you've got to get nervous because now we're not reporting news. We are reporting what we want you to believe is happening in this world and your way out of the problem that they are making up in their crazy little minds. And so many people have legit media literacy from having lived experience through COVID that they can see between these lines, which is really great. So this is Finland here. They're

actually moving forward with this. Finland's going to be a global first. Finland to offer bird food vaccine a select group of people, possible global first. But you go in this article says it talks about the vaccine for the first time. The vaccine to be administered in Finland is designed off a different avian influenza virus called H5N8. So not even the one that's circulating. But Researchers say the shot should still confer protection against H5N1. European regulators authorize the vaccine, which is known as Zoonotic influenza vaccine, Siguris, based on a number of studies showing that it elicited immune responses that scientists think would be protective against avian influenza.

Researchers can't run traditional efficacy trials with such products because the virus isn't circulating among people, so they are typically approved based on these immunogenicity studies. So there's your vaccine. And we have Time magazine really banging the drum here in the United States calling saying, we are not safe, is the headline from bird flu until we protect farm workers. And then you go on to everybody. I got to stop here. And we're going to talk to Wolfgang and that's going to be super interesting. But pull up that headline. Everybody, if you are just watching this show for the first time, then there's something you're not understanding about the language they're using. Protecting farm workers, right? That's

They're not saying we need to stop the transmission. We need a vaccine that stops it in its tracks, which the COVID vaccine never did. What you're talking about is giving farm workers a product that will help them stay alive so that they can carry this virus and give it to everybody else. That's the big goal here. Let's make sure they carry it from animals and somehow create an incubator inside of their own body that's not going to kill it like your immune system would, but then goes on to spread it to the rest of us.

This is why mainstream media is full of a bunch of dumboes, everybody, that don't understand the science, have no concept of what they're talking about and are marching their propaganda orders, which make no sense when you look at it scientifically. So, and I just want to point that out. This is why get ready, folks, you're going to have to start getting your friends

to tune back into the highwire because we're the only ones that actually talk to real freaking science, that spent their lives studying germs and viruses to help you understand what this really means. And when you go down into this article a little bit, you see it's basically just an advertisement for the seasonal flu shot. So it says regardless of whether farm workers are prioritized for H5N1 vaccination, we should increase efforts now to ensure farm workers are vaccinated against the seasonal flu come fall. And so another side story on this is the flu vaccines are made on basically, chicken eggs. So they're made in chicken eggs. So this has been a big problem. And this has been

something even before we even heard of bird flu that people have been trying, research has been trying to shift this. Let's use gene therapy. Let's use MRI to try to make a new vaccine, a universal flu vaccine. So this is now coming back up. This topic's now coming back up and they're going to see if they can maybe make this shift now. So the flu vaccine is made with eggs that has scientists worried. Of course it does. So what are they doing? Scientists developing MRNA-based vaccine against H5N1 bird flu. This is still in its really early stages at this point. But it's not stopping there.

They're going for cows as well. Two dozen companies to that end working to find bird flu vaccine for cows. U.S. Agriculture Secretary says. And then finally, U.S. Europe wing vaccinating poultry dairy workers exposed to bird flu. And it's interesting here. You read this article. You look into this and who do they quote, Dutch flu virologist Ron Foucher, of the Erasmus MC in Rotterdam,

who has conducted experiments mapping the changes necessary for bird flu to spark a pandemic, gain a function funded by Collins, Francis Collins and Tony Fauci, said Europe's plan is to procure the CSL vaccine for people occupationally exposed to the virus. His lab could well be eligible if the vaccine becomes available. He said, adding, I would certainly take it. Well, we're waiting for common sense and critical thinking to come back. And we see glimmers of that. We've seen it and we're still seeing it.

One of them recently is Nick Coatsworth. He was one of the Deputy Chief Medical Officers in Australia during the COVID response, a very well-known face. And he's had quite an interesting trajectory over the last couple of years. Take a look. There will be a strong public view that those who choose not to get vaccinated need to there needs to be some sort of incentive stick, perhaps, through the current programs, including no jab, no pay, to make that happen.

I think as a general principle, we could all agree that mandates have a time-limited role in a pandemic. The dispute and the question will be, how long should that time be and what is a reasonable level of community vaccination? to achieve before we abandon mandates. My view, not quite at the moment. I agree entirely that they're time limited. Well, let's understand the science, which is if you get a fifth dose,

your protection against severe disease is enhanced for around about eight to 12 weeks, and then it returns to what it was after the fourth dose or the third dose. So it's very transient protection, Carl. It's not increased protection for life. And that's the problem with these boosters. And of course, eventually we're going to have to stop with these recommendations for ongoing. Right. But you write the point out, Nick, that you're a government official promoting vaccines during the pandemic. You're a big boy. You can defend yourself. Did you get it wrong?

Well, I think certainly we didn't get it wrong promoting the vaccines, Carl. But the mandates, yes, I think we did get that wrong. And I think you can say hindsight is 2020, but Carl, hindsight gives us foresight. And if we have another pandemic, we should think long and hard whether mandates for vaccines are justified. Still being vaccinated for COVID? No. When did you stop doing that? About two years ago.

I had three vaccines and that's been enough for me. Any reason why? Because I don't think I need any more. Ben and the science tells me that I don't. I know what science he's looking at. As far as I know, CDC's still recommending, I believe it's a ninth booster shop

for some people here in the United States of America. I mean, look, it's amazing to watch that trajectory. And thank God for those people that have the ability to start recognizing the facts and the reality. But so many politicians still stand by, you know, the mandates as though they somehow had some effect. And they seem blind to the fact that the vaccine never ultimately stopped transmission for anyone and causes all sorts of other problems because of that. Jeffrey, I love that you're looking into all of this. These are really scary developments.

So on the one hand, where we're really pushing into. to a real war with NATO and Russia. We are also about to come under another world war, which is how I described the last COVID pandemic, which was all of the nations of the world attacking their citizens with authoritarianism, using health and science as the argument, all of which has come up short with the benefit

of hindsight for every network but ours. We didn't need hindsight. We had foresight, just like he was talking about. So, Jeffrey, I really owe a lot of that to you, the great work that you've been doing all of your investigations. Unfortunately, it feels like we are going to need foresight right now. And I hope that people recognize that the reason we're reporting on this is not because we are trying to drum up the fear,

help them push the fear, but to push the absurdity so that we can let our friends know, don't buy into this. I feel like if they realize we're watching them and we're calling out their plays before they make it, that they're less likely to push forward because they realize they are the laughing stock, that the curtain has already been pulled back. We're watching you try to build this Wizard of Oz, and we're not going to let it happen again.

So let's just keep our focus on this and show them as the pantless fools they really are. Absolutely. Absolutely, yeah. All right, great. Keep up the great work. I'll see you next week. All right. All right. There's so much work that the high wire and I can does. And, you know, I sit here and think about what it's like to watch this show. I mean, that's one of the things you do. When you're in media, when you're in news like this and we sit with our teams, is how is this falling on the ears and the eyes of people that are watching? Why are you tuning into the high wire? How many of you are telling your friends? How many of you are actually donating? What would maybe make you donate if you aren't

already, and are we doing a job of explaining everything that we're actually doing? All of those are the conversations we have. And I'm sure you're saying, oh, my God, Dahl, are you really going to do bird flu? Like, I mean, sure, if you, you know, write in, let me know. If you think the ideas, we should just stick our heads in the sand and just, it's all going to pass by on its own, just like it did the last time, you know, let me know. But I think we've got to call these people out. we got our work to do. They are going to attack again. Do you think we have enough people to stand up against it? Is there enough people in America right now that have the courage and the knowledge and the ability to just say no, to actually just refuse to defy another illegal attack on our rights

and our freedoms in America? Do we have enough? How about the entire world? Because I don't think plan on losing this next time around. We won. We won the battle. I've said it before. 30% didn't get the vaccine during COVID. That's amazing. That means that, you know, that rebellious spirit is alive in us. But when we think about bird flu, who knows where that's going? And what are we going to do? How do we wake up those that maybe are still a little asleep or like, wait, but I thought the COVID vaccine was good. I mean, how were you ever going to win that because the news never wanted to admit it was wrong. Unlike the guy there in Australia that is slowly admitting it, you need, you need like actual facts. You need things in your hands, right?

You need to be able to say, forget about don't, you know, I know you have some opinion about Dell, look at his Wikipedia and suddenly you don't want to watch his videos. But did you see this evidence that was produced by the CDC? Are you using those tools that were handing you like V-safe? That's what this week we had another tranche come out. of data that our lawyer won for you, Aaron Siri, so that you have tools to show how this lie went down and what was hidden from us. Here is our legal update this week. Fourth V-safe production reveals a disturbing trend in miscarriages and menstrual disturbances following COVID-19 vaccination. Before I go any further, let me explain for those of you that are new. V-safe was a system-designed,

by the CDC to track the safety of the vaccine. You got an app once you got the vaccine. You could opt into this. And over 10 million people did. And then it would ask you questions every couple days. And then they spread out at like once a month as time went on. And I think most of them answered questions through the first six months. Well, most of those questions were just yes or no.

And the questions were like, did you have a fever? Did you have swelling in the arm? Look at this. I'm itching or, you know, none of the above, a little bit of pain. And then if you filled in those blocks, when we sued, we sued for the V-Safe data, which the reason they were doing this was being transparent with you. And then suddenly when we sued, well, first we start with FOIA requests, just saying freedom of information, you work for us. You are our employees as Citizens America. So hand over the data. Let's take a look at it. Nope, not giving it to you. Well, that's why we bring a lawsuit. Took us about a year. to get this in court and then finally breaking news. This is on October 3rd, 2022.

I can, that's us, obtains the CDC VSAFE data. Well, we got all the check the box data and we built an entire dashboard that you can still use. Go to I can decide.org slash vSafe and ask that dashboard any information you want that might have been in that check the box data. That's where we found out. where we found out that about 30% of the people getting the vaccine either couldn't go to work

because they felt so bad or had to get hospitalization, a really, really bad effect for a vaccine, one of the worst we've ever seen. But the serious stuff, the myocarditis, the pericarditis, the miscarriages, all of those things, the anaphylaxis that everyone knew looked like it was a potential side effect from the very beginning of the trials and things that we're hearing around the world. None of those questions were at. No check the box for that. Did you have pain in your chest? Would have been a really good question.

And in fact, it was a question on a list when they were making the app because of our FOIA request. We found out they knew they should be asking that, but they kept it off of the app. They designed it to avoid the most obvious problems they knew the vaccines had. So where would we see it if it happened? we would see it in the open box field. So this was a question which is, if we didn't ask you any of the appropriate questions, which we clearly did on purpose, then go ahead and write out,

and I think it was like 250 characters or something, something we might have missed. Well, this is where you would have written, I had chest pains. I went to the hospital. We reported a lot on that. Well, that's what happened this week. in the brand new tranche of open box fields, and by the way, we're getting all of them. You can't imagine how hard we fought for this, by the way.

They did not want to give us this information breaking. The federal judge ordered CDC to release all BSA free text entries and a huge win for vaccine safety and transparency. Well, in this latest tranche, this is what we have discovered. We've discovered that in ICANN's review of the free test records produced to date, which are only a small fraction of the total set to be released by the CDC, it revealed at least 500 reports of miscarriage and more than 2,000 reports of menstrual disturbances, all of which we've been reporting here. Here are some of those open box

text fields. Now remember, all of the identity is protected, so there's no HIPAA violation here. We don't know who reported this. We just know that this is them writing it themselves. I had a miscarriage of 13 weeks between my first and second vaccine. No chromosomal abnormalities detected. Another person. I started my menstrual cycle and I've been in menopause for 11 months. I started the night of my vaccine, not sure if it was a coincidence. This person came out of menopause right after the vaccine.

That's odd. I had a miscarriage after a second dose of Pfizer-COVID vaccine. I felt fine until I had the vaccine and within, 48 hours of pregnancy symptoms ceased. My pregnancy symptoms ceased. I have no history of fertility issues or complications and had two healthy, uneventful pregnancies prior to this. I feel this has affected as another person,

affected my hormones greatly. About a week after my shot, I felt thrown into menopause, hot flashes, horrible night sweats, mood swings, and anxiety. Prior to shot, I had none of these symptoms. It's pretty alarming stuff. Things that this entire, the entire purpose of having an app were supposed to, you know, throw up red flags.

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Can you imagine if every other product went that way that your regulatory agencies were singing its praises before it even got through its safety trials, which ultimately it never did? Because as soon as they gave it an emergency use authorization, then they went and vaccinated all the placebo groups, so we will never know what the long-term effects of this product does. So that every time we see a child collapsing on a soccer field or an athlete or a rock star or a movie star or a banker or a news anchor, they can say, well, we didn't see it in our trials. Well, maybe they did.

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His book, False Pandemics. Why are we going to have this conversation? Why is this really important? I don't know. Would you be nervous? Like, it's almost like the opening of the movie of a movie where the head or former head of the CDC says, yeah, this bird flu thing that hasn't happened since the dawned a man jumped from a bird into a human being.

I'm pretty sure it's going to happen. And probably the best way it's going to happen is if we build it ourselves. That'd be a weird opening to a movie. It'd be even stranger if you watch it on your own television set like we all did this week. Could we be on the verge of another pandemic and one that could be even worse than the one caused by coronavirus? This time it could actually be bird flu. Former CDC director Robert Redfield, who helped oversee our country's response to COVID says it is definitely time. to take this more seriously?

Yes, Brian, I really do think it's very likely that we will at some time, it's not a question of if it's more of a question of when, we will have a bird flu pandemic. And as you mentioned, unfortunately bird flu has, when it does enter humans, has a significant mortality, probably somewhere between 25 and 50% mortality. So it's going to be quite quite, complicated. Since 2019, we've had a progressive increase in bird flu in chickens and ducks and

turkeys in our country. And since then, you've seen it now go into a number of mammals. It's now in over 25 different mammals. I think now with the llamas recently, it's now in 27 mammals in the United States. Why is that important? Is we know exactly what has to happen for bird flu to be infectious for humans and go human to human. Scientists in 2012 actually did experiments in the lab using gain of function research, which I'm not in favor of, but the scientists did it, and they figured the five amino acids that have to change in a key receptor in order for bird flu to gain a propensity to bind to the human receptor and then be able to go human to human. Something that obviously happened with COVID, where COVID obviously learned how to use the

to receptor in humans and then of course became a very infectious virus. I'm less concerned though that this will happen through spillover and evolution in animals. I'm much more concerned that this will happen in the laboratory through gain of function research. I just want to point out if you're hearing that rumble in the background, it's the one thing that this we've got a giant rainstorm overhead and apparently we have a bird flu storm over my shoulder here so it all seems to fit. It is my honor and pleasure right now to be joined by Wolfgang Vodarg. Wolfgang, I was watching your face while you were watching that news piece and I feel

like we're aligned. It's like we're living in some sort of an insane cartoon. Am I wrong? Are they really doing this again? They do it for almost 20 years now. I hear the same again and again. I heard it from the WHO in 2005 and when the first birds flu alarm came and I went to Geneva and I spoke with Mr. Sturr, who was the director who were responsible in WHO for birds flu, he told us there would be seven million dead in in Germany and he made a big alarm then and afterwards he was employed by Novartis for making vaccines and so he I followed although people who are in this business I know where they where they come together they have a they have clubs and they they collect dangerous viruses sequences and they

make up their own stories which have nothing to do with biology which have nothing to do with our daily life and our contacts with microbes which is very very normal we need microbes we need viruses they are everywhere and we know our body our immune system learns to live with them all our life and this is as they make it something very difficult they are different they make something if you speak of a virus they only speak of diseases but a virus has nothing to do with diseases there are viruses all around us all the time and only if we are very weak if we are not able to learn the new viruses we are not able to meet them in a normal way then maybe

there are some symptoms and we get ill and if you're very old you're very old you're may even die from it. Like we know, there were people dying from flu, less than we always hear, but they, because they have flu, and then they get something else, and they die from that, or they had some disease before, and flu gives them the rest. So flu is there. Influenza has been there, but is not as important as it was, as we were told the last 20 years. I feel like the part of this story that is changing right before my eyes and science is the concept of natural immunity and really evolution, which is what you're eluding to. One of the things I say to people, I had a kid next to me on a plane recently that was wearing a mask. And I said, why are you wearing a mask?

Had to be like a 25-year-old young man. And he's like, well, you know, I just, I think I might have. a cold and I don't want to spread it to you. I was like, well, if that's the case, don't worry about me. In fact, I want to make that contact. And I said, do you mind if I talk to you just for a moment? Because I think what you're doing is very dangerous for yourself. Now, to begin with, I don't think masks actually work, but I said, but let's just assume they do. Let's just say mask work. I said to him, you do realize that you are arresting your development, that you are hiding from a virus that our entire lives, we have been evolving together. Every time the flu or coronavirus evolves,

I catch it. I'm just a little bit. Maybe if I caught it, I don't have quite the right antibodies to match up from the last time I had it. So I have a little bump. I have a little cold. And then I'm immune again. What you are doing is blocking yourself from evolving with this virus. And if you pull it off, You might get so far behind that now, sort of like Native Americans with a smallpox or something they never came in contact with, you're just going to die when this thing finally slips on your mask because you didn't evolve with it. And I mean, I remember, I saw it. It kind of sunk in. And luckily, I fell asleep. And when I woke up 30 minutes later, his mask was off.

But that's basically the problem here, right? is that this idea that we no longer want to evolve and let our bodies go through this, this dance, if you will, with viruses and bacteria. I just met a dentist, you know, and he's very close to his patients, always. Each day, many, many patients. It winter, in summer, all the time. He never had a cold. The last 10 years, never he had a cold, not a single one, because he has a very well-trained immune

system. Right. And you know, when the old people, the grandfathers and grandmothers, when they are visited by their children or by their, yes, they have a training. They get training. And if you isolate the old people, they don't have training anymore. And if they then meet someone who has a lot of viruses to spread, maybe it's very hard to just to get along with that. They have to learn many new things then and this may be too much. So isolating someone to protect from respiratory viruses makes no sense.

Right. And I can also, the other thing is very important. There are vaccination against respiratory viruses, the flu vaccination. You know them. And they were started when the flu did was not important any longer. And they started giving us vaccination. was a very big business idea because then you can sell drugs to healthy people each year again. And if you don't have clinical results, because the clinical results you can make are only from the last year.

They don't tell you anything for the next year that you want to where you have to, where you want to sell them. So it's a really, really, it's a business idea. It has nothing to do with health. And if you inject it into the muscle, this is not the place where the immune system normally gets, to know the new viruses. This happens in the mosa of the respiratory tract, and there you learn the new viruses. So there may be even irritations. And if you have antibodies against,

if you make antibodies against some influenza virus or some coronavirus or whatever, the other, maybe you don't have this virus so much as you would have without the immunization. But then the other viruses come, and they are happy they have, more space on your mucosa. It doesn't, we know, there are many research been done that people who get flu vax, that they don't get less ill than those who didn't. They only have different

variety of viruses. And so I think there is a lot of business and a lot of fearmongering going on. One, and so a couple of details, because one of the things that's bothering me about this story is now in America, we just cold, we reported last week, that we killed about a hundred million chickens that the flocks tested positive for bird flu. So again, don't we really want those animals to develop their own immunity to this and kill it off dead? And when you're killing flocks that have it, you're taking away the flocks that in within a few days, I'm assuming, are going to have developed immunity so that they can block whatever the next dangerous version is,

we are literally eradicating the immunity that exists. Is that an accurate way to look at it? Yeah, there is one thing that factory farming provides a good breeding ground for all kinds of microorganisms. And under this condition, they multiply much faster than in nature. Small farms have much smaller risks for an outbreak of infections. So this is what they don't want to hear. You know, they all want to make us buy from big, big firms, and they tell us we control it and we know what happens there

because they have their own veterinaries. Yes, but it's much more risk for the cattle and for the chicken who are kept in such uninsual. unnatural conditions. And I would be much more in favor if we had many, many farmers who have not so big stables and have their kettles, have their chicken and who live healthy. Okay, but this is a different topic, hasn't it? Yeah, well, that's a really good point.

Factory farming in every form, whether it's vegetables being sprayed with all sides of herbicides and pesticides to try and increase yield, packing cows where there's no grass and sight living on giant dirt heaps out in the sun and chickens that never see the light of day. Of course, all of those sort of unnatural ways that we create our food are probably not helping us. You know, there's a lot to get into in the history of this. But before we do, I have one other question about this because as Robert Redfield and the fear they put out there is that, you know, if a bird flu, you know, a pandemic, you know, when the bird flu pandemic, that's how they're basically saying it. Not if, but when it happens, it could have a death rate between 30 and 50%.

I mean, that's, that is absolutely a massive number. I mean, we were promised, I think, three to seven percent, which never happened with coronavirus, which they thought was enough to lock us down. Of course, it turned out to be about 0.3 percent way off the mark, about a bad flu. But here's the point. I've talked to several scientists and say a virus with a death rate of 30 to 50% is going to have a very difficult time sweeping the world because it's going to kill its host. Can you, do you share that? Could you explain what they mean by that? Yes, even if you have a gain of function virus, which is very, very dangerous, it won't be able to spread because it kills its host. or even it lets them stay at home at least. And this is for evolution of a virus, this is a nonsense.

There is no chance. I'm not afraid of gain of function viruses. They use this gain of function to give us injections with parts of dangerous virus. And like through the needle, they can spread the dangerous parts of their artificial viruses. This is possible. But in nature, this is not possible. Don't be afraid of dangerous viruses. they are not able to spread.

We are always, we have contact with many viruses. And those viruses who don't hurt us, who don't make us ill, they have the best chance to spread all over the world. But we live with them. They are our environment. They belong to our environment. And we learn from them. Our human, that we are humans as we are, that we don't lay eggs anymore.

We can say thank you to the viruses because they gave us all the genetic. information that we could be successful in evolution. We have this, we need this context with this microbes and our immune system is well, is well, yes, trained to get along with them. Could you take a moment, because you just said something that I'm sure a lot of people, and my audience is much different than the last time we spoke, we don't lay eggs anymore. I actually do remember discussing this before, but quickly, what did you? a virus have to do with, you know, the human species, mammals not laying eggs? How did that work again?

When we have contacts with viruses, each virus is a package with genetic information. And sometimes this genetic information we meet in nature is stored in our genome. It's transcribed into our genome. And if it's good for us in evolution, we keep it. And we can And our body can use it and it makes us stronger. And in our genome, you find many, many, many old viruses, the rest of old viruses, you can find them everywhere. It is well, there's a lot of research done on that. And whether those parts of our genome are used or are not used,

this has to do with epigenetic processes. And this is very complicated. It has to do with many things which have not, which are not genetic, but which have to do with how we live and how we are stressed and what we do and so on. So how did it make, so how do we go from leg aing through a virus into carrying the child in a womb? Yes, there was some virus that was able to make the cells of the uterus, the internal cells of the uterus, the mucosa, tolerate a stress. and strange tissue because the embryo has a different tissue than the mother has, the type of tissue.

And there has to be some tolerance. And this tolerance was learned by, it was transported by viruses into the human being. Wow. So they didn't have to protect it outside the body longer in a shell. It's really, I mean, such fascinating. I mean, one of my favorite things in the work that we've done is how interesting all this science is. All right. I want to talk about your book then, really.

You've looked at these sort of, you know, fake pandemics. I feel like we all in coronavirus thought, well, this one isn't real. The other ones were, but now they're using this fear to create a fake pandemic. Many of the people watching this show, I believe whether or not, I mean, I want to be careful to say, I believe, and there'll be some people who will argue. that watched this, that there was a coronavirus. I do believe it was deadly for a very small, specific group of people above the age of 70 or 80 that had other real susceptibilities, diabetes being a huge one, heart disease, things like that. So it did exist. It did, I guess, by the words pandemic, it did sort of cross borders and a lot of people caught it. It wasn't the

deadly thing that it was promised to be, but a pandemic happened. Do you agree with that? Let me, before, that's my version. Do you agree with that? Like, push back if I'm wrong. Not at all. Okay. Not at all. Because when you, yeah, there is no pandemic, you know, which is only killing people in New York, as it did in April in 2020. Okay. Why didn't nobody, they didn't die in San Francisco. If you see just the numbers of the people who died in hospital, there were many people dying in New York hospitals, but they didn't in San Francisco at the same time.

And if you know how many people travel from one place to the other and how 200 persons in each plane and there are thousands and millions of people each day traveling around the world, it's not possible that you only have a pandemic in northern Italy, in New York, in Madrid. it's not it's it's it's it was a theater they and they installed this they made the pictures to frighten us and they killed people in hospitals treating them wrongly and they killed people using overdose from hydroxychloroquine they killed people with rindicevier they

killed them by putting them very early into vent on ventilators and so but they didn't do it all over the world only in some places and there were the cameras and they frighten us. And when I say, oh, this is not more than a normal flu, they always told me, oh, haven't you seen the pictures of North in Italy? And yes, I have seen. I even spoken with doctors from there. And I was after finding all this information, what was behind those people dying there and in New York. And it's so clear that there was nothing unusual. And you can see it if you see the cases of the normal monitoring state, of the normal monitoring institutions, like Robert Koch Institute, nothing happened.

There were less cases of respiratory, acute respiratory diseases. And there were no more cases of emergency with respiratory diseases in 2020. This and not even in 2021, there was no emergency with respiratory case, but there was a high amount of emergencies with cardiac emergencies. emergencies and with neurological emergencies after they started with those jabs. Then it started, but before there was nothing. So I didn't see any epidemiological evidence for some virus, which was dangerous, more dangerous than any virus before in the flu seasons. And the other thing is that they only made the PCR test. They have forgotten to test the other viruses. They just didn't

do it. You may have fee, You may have a cough. You may have even a pneumonia. And the PCR test for COVID is positive. But it's not that. It's only the PCR test. You are ill because you have an influenza, but nobody looks at it anymore. Right. This is what happened all time. Well, that was that weird phenomenon that there was no flu. Right. They were saying coronavirus seems to have erased the flu. Yes. You only find what you're looking for. And this is what they do now. You know, if if you, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you know, if you're You are a farmer now, you have a farm, you have cattle, and they come for your cows to make a PCR test. I say beware of them. Get rid of them as soon as possible. They may even care those molecules that they're looking for with a PCR test on their clothes because they come from another stable and they come from a chicken place also. You know, if your cows are healthy and you don't see any sign of a disease, don't let them do a PCR. It's nonsense. The PCR test was invented for clean room controlling, clean room with no molecules at all.

And Karimali, he invented it for that. And it was not invented to find some disease or to distinguish the diseases. As a last, you can use the PCR when you have a diagnosis and when you want to know some subtype of the germ you're looking for, of the microbe you're looking for. you know already what's going on, then it may give you some information because it's useful. But if you're looking for cases, for some disease, the PCR test is a lie, is a big betrayal. And we should not allow it to be done anymore for this purpose. We should not, it should not be allowed to look for cases. It's a medical sin, a very big sin, and all the doctors who follow this advice and who use a PCR test to find cases.

They do wrong. They frighten people. It's not necessary. And all those consequences from the administration coming afterwards, it's horrible what they do. Don't use PCR tests for finding cases. Look whether the people or whether the cattle or whether there are some cases of illness. And then you can find out the differential diagnosis and you make a real diagnosis. You look for all germs possible and you look for intoxication, which is possible also as a reason. And then you can use a PCR. at the end perhaps to find out the details, but not for looking for cases. This is just a big, big betrayal and we already get a little bit used to it because they did it with the birds flu. They started it with the birds flu in 2005. Then already with Mr. Drosten, he started it with

SARS-1. SARS-1 was detected by a PCR test. Before the Chinese didn't know which microbes it may it might have been. But then Mr. Drosten came with his PCR to said it is SARS, SARS 1. I have a question, where was SARS 1 all those 20 years in between? Where were those better coronaviruses? Did they just vanish? Did it just disappear? Nobody was looking for them anymore.

It's just a story. It was a story with SARS 1. It was a story with the birth flu one. It was a story with the swine flu. It's always the same. And I'm almost laughing, you know, because, Because it's, you always use a PCR test. I have a picture in my slides where you see the skin of ill people.

Can you show this? Do we have the slide with the skin? Let's see if we can bring that up. There we go. Is that, because it's a quiz. Is it the M-Pox? Can you see that? Yes.

Yes. And the quiz, my question is, which of them are M-Pox? Oh, which one of them is? Let me see, which one is the M-P-I-I mean, This is six photos from the British Health Service. Yeah. And I could use them. But which one is the monkeypox?

Yeah, I wouldn't know. I can tell you, each of them, if the PCR test is positive. Oh, yeah? They're all. Got it. No, there are so many different reasons why they have such skin diseases. But if the PCR test is positive, for sure they say it's monkeypox. This is how it goes.

Wow. So then what how is it? Here's the problem you have is then people say so it's a giant lie story fraud. Why do so many doctors go along with it? So many scientists going along with it. My question to you would be and like Robert Redfield's there, he's been somewhat honest about parts of it. Do they be? Do they be? believe it? I mean, is this, is, are they just lying to themselves or do they know what they're doing? Is everyone a cog in this giant lie? Or is it they hand you a test that tells you what you think you're seeing and everyone's in a, you know, in a matrix, if you will? If you do something wrong, it's very difficult to find out that you do something wrong when your success and when you're, income is dependent on that you don't see it. Right. Right.

If you won't have a career. Right. Said that's something like that. Like it's hard to convince someone that's made a mistake if recognizing it would have an effect on their salary. Exactly. Yeah. It has to do with your career.

It has to do with the money you earn. And they have learned from the first time they did it with SARS-1. They didn't try out to spread it so much. But then with the birds flu, already tried. Mr. Rumsfeld, you earned a lot of money with that. And then with the swine flu, there was gluxto, there was Novartis, they were all producing vaccines already. But the doctors didn't use the vaccine so much in Germany. They bought more than 60, they wanted to order 60 million doses. But the doctors only used 4 million. So the doctors were skeptic. There was a discussion still.

And in the meantime, they have learned how to persuade the doctors to follow them. They have, they have occupied many of the publication organs of medical science. You know, I just saw. I mean, when I think about it, you could take any, I could make up, right. So I guess to your point, I could make up and say people are dying of a cold right now or RSV, here's what we do. We've got to get you in the hospital. We've got to test you.

if you test positive, you need to go on a ventilator. We need to give you a deadly failed cancer drug or Ebola drug. I think it was remdesivir. And look at nine out of ten of you were dying. That's basically what happened. This is how they can do it. And you can, you know, if you invent something, some new story like that, it is not a new story. It has always been the same like that.

They always did it like that. Has there ever been a real pandemic? Has there been a real pandemic in your mind since you wrote the book? No, no. There were weak people in the Second World War, the people had bad conditions in Europe and everywhere where the war was. And now still in those regions where people are hungry, where they don't have good apartments and where they don't have good food, they have a weak immune system and many people can die from and starve and they are more apt to get infection, much more. And they are more. And they are more apt to get infection, much more. And they die much more from infections. But in our in in Europe after 1950 or 1960, we were all so healthy, we had enough food. We had too much food even. But you know that this all the, this even the diseases of children, they were gone. They had no complications anymore. If you got measles or if you got some children diseases, there were no complications anymore. And then they started giving us the vaccines and advising us when they said, yes, it's the vaccine. We

We have had big victory and we fought the disease, but they didn't. The disease was gone when we had a good life and they were living, they were just earning money with this fearmongering and they are still doing it and they make it more and more perfect. And I, you know, I had, I saw an advertising of a doctor's chamber of medicines in Austria and they were saying, oh, we give us some education, there will be a professor coming from a high school and she will tell us how to emphatically, how with all your heart, how you can tell the people that they really need vaccines. And this teacher there was, I looked where they put, where she published and she published in some journals which were owned by some, which were owned by some, how are they

called those firms who make who make your products being sold very well right such a public relation firm right they had this scientific they had the scientific journal the public relations I made a scientific journal and they gave a chance to young scientists to publish there it's you know it's it's world that's lived from money and it's only fed by money and it's only the hold the whole you know if you the science is there to find out what we call knowledge. As a scientist,

I mean, yeah, when you're, sorry to interrupt, have you always been here? I mean, you're listed as a biologist. Did you once believe in vaccines? Or did you always from the beginning, you always skeptical? No, I was a director of a public health

institution in northern Germany, and I had a doctor in my, in my team and he was specialized on pediatrics and he was going from schools and to schools in kindergartens and giving the vaccines. I was, when he started that he wanted to give the vaccine against hepatitis B, I said no. So it was some, after some years, I understood what was going on. When they widened the scope of all those possibilities they had to give us jabs against all those children diseases, but hepatitis B was. not a disease I thought that could have that was dangerous for children and not

hepatitis A not neither and there are so many diseases the children get to know and they don't get ill from it so so that kind of started because you have that started your look into wait a minute maybe this is more of a yes marketing ploy than a health system I had some struggle with my colleagues with this already when I was a director we had discussion lots of discussions and then I went to politics and I started to fight there for good medicine. But there were many interests in politics too. And I saw how the lobby is much stronger than the voice of the people. Because the lobby is much stronger, much closer to the politicians.

And there are the parties which are between the people and the politician. And they're representatives. And the parties, you just bribe the parties. You don't need to bribe the single parliamentarian anymore. And so it's a very, very complicated situation. And we have, what we experience now is that we have an institutional corruption. I was working for transparency international for 10 years till I found out that this organization also is corrupt.

And so I got problems there when I spoke about that. And but I think, I think, When I work there, I found out that it's much more efficient when you bribe the boss, or when you buy the whole institution, when you make public-private partnership. Because then when you have a public-private partnership, you have the experts on the private side. You have the people from the administration who think the private site knows it better, and they have the expert, they have their scientists, and they come with their scientists, and they pay their scientists, and they tell the institution,

what is the best thing to do. And afterwards, you know, the tail is waving with the dog. Right. Unbelievable. And so you've seen all sides of this. Yeah. This is the most efficient way to corrupt. Institutional corruption is the cheapest way and the most efficient.

And if you have the global leaders, you have them all. It does seem dire. And I got back from Geneva and sort of, was fairly alarmist with my audience. And I don't like being that way. I think we've got to understand that we are powerful. A lot of this is happening

because we've lost touch with how powerful we are. The fact that we outnumber all of these people. Are they going, I mean, what's amazing to me is really, as we know, a bird flu hasn't successfully jumped into human beings and spread since the dawn of man. It's like saying that,

you know an earthquake that could come in the next 500 years is definitely coming in the next four months i mean that's how insane this media is you need it if you need it for stock exchange you know the pandemic waves you can see them and they say they show us the pre-pandemic phase and the pandemic phase and then after interpendemic phase and you see parallel to it you see the the stock exchange you see the waves there you see you see climbing uh And they sell it when it's down and they sell it when it's up. They make their own waves on the stock exchange they are riding on. And this is what we experience.

Now we have all those drugs being prepared now against birds flu for more than two years already. We have RNA and they try to have this cheap production of jabs against the birds flu again. They try to kill us again because it's experimental. and our body will not tolerate being genetically modified to produce some vaccines ourselves. Right. It's not what ourselves are used to. Right. If I was to hand you $100 and say, I want you to bet on whether or not, is there going to be a bird flu pandemic this year or not?

I mean, however they're going to go about it, what would you, where, where you would, where, is there where would you put your bet right now? Are they crazy enough to attempt to do this all over again within this year? No, I don't think so. I don't think, I think there will be many people just laughing. This is the soundest reaction when you see all this. Just laugh at them. Stand at the street and laugh.

The king is, or the Caesar is naked. They have nothing on. They are naked and we have to laugh at them. It's horrible what they do. They don't have new ideas. just try to perpetuate their waves and they're trying to earn some more money. And I think it's very important that we think, why do they do it? Why do they do it?

And I think Catherine Austin-Fitz has a good explanation for all this. You have to do something with the currency, has to do something with the dollars, has to do something with all this. And we have to look behind it. And we have to think what we can do in future, that there is no incentive to, you know, to do all this nonsense with us, to kill people. Horrible. They kill people because they want to save the dollar.

I don't know what it, it's horrible what they do. It's criminal. Yes, I agree. For people that want to see the work that you're doing, read your book, do you have a website? Do you have somewhere where we can follow what you're doing? Yes, I have a very big website for all those years now. It's just my name, Vodak.com and W.

www.wodak.com. And there you can, it's not very, I do it myself and I don't have a stuff to do it. And you have to look a little bit. But you can search for terms and you find what you're looking for. It's in many languages. Some English stuff too and French and whatever you need. Wolfgang, I had to say your breath of fresh air. It's great to reflect with you again.

I remember how much clarity you brought, the COVID, you know, theater, as you call it. Keep up the great work. Thank you for reminding us to laugh. They're just a bunch of fools. We're not stupid enough to do that again. I agree with you. I made some songs about COVID,

but they aren't German. So I make poems and songs. And I think it's a good way. We need more songs mocking them. and showing them that they're naked, I think it would be good. Very good. Well, we need to get this translated.

We'll get them out and we'll release the album right here and I can. Wolfgang. One song is who killed Grand Ma is one song which tells a story of Grandma being killed by those people. Yeah. Yeah, it's a horrible story. We need indictments.

I am not, I'm not gonna walk away. We are finally having the right type of hearings are going on here in America. I'm concerned that, you know, the wrong person elected in the, you know, here in America could shut down those hearings because I think we do have enough politicians starting to wake up. We've had over 25 attorney generals speaking out against the WHO, the WEO, on that front, does that mean just really, I know I'm going to let you go, but the WHO, boy, they seem to be trying to grab a lot of power right now with these treaties and everything. everything. What are your thoughts on WHO right now? What do we do?

Well, they were made a very important institution because they accept norms in medicine. They even define the diseases. We speak about all diseases we deal with are defined by WHO, with the ICD. And if they just define a new disease like they did with COVID-19, they said, this is COVID-19, is the case when the PCR test is. positive. This is COVID-19 virus identified. And they even made a definition, COVID-19 virus not identified when you had some snotty nose and you had contact with someone where the PCR test was positive. This was made by WHO and those cases they defined were counted all the time. It's ridiculous what they did. But they do it and they do it with many diseases.

They have a big, big power because they define what is a pandemic, how to find it when they say, when they say you find the pandemic when you use the PCR, the whole world will start. And now they even start examining the sewage. And they look for viruses in the sewage. And in the sewage, you find anything, any time. Right. There's not only the human excretion there is also from birds, from dogs, from cats. It's all mixture. You find anything in the sewage and they seriously monitor it.

It's ridiculous. What do they do? I am a specialist for hygiene. I was planning sewage. Systems. Systems. Yes. And I was controlling them and I know what's going on there. But it's horrible how they misuse this PCR test now. And even if they make the sequencing, the sequencing lives. from computer software. They live from pieces of you find with PCR, they put together some patchwork, and then you have some software and you make some alignment and then you construct some new virus and they discuss which is the real one. So this has nothing to do with biology. It's just the game with molecules, they play in their computers and they use such PCR tests and they find some similarities, they find some variations, but it has nothing to do.

to do with diseases, nothing. Wow, amazing stuff. I wanna thank you for taking the time to join us today, Wolfgang, very enlightening. We're gonna even inspire me to inspire a little bit more humor back into this conversation before we all lose our minds and start taking it all too seriously. I look forward to have you back sometime in the future.

Keep up the great work, appreciate it. Thank you for having me in the show. You bet, take care. Well, as I said at the top of the show, there's only two people I've ever trusted, you know, the high wire set in this show to Jeffrey Jackson and, of course, Jim Meijin, who has, you know, transitioned to the next stage of life that we all will someday this last week. He lost his battle with cancer. I wanted to reflect and just take a moment on one of the episodes that he did for the high wire that he came. cared a lot about when we reached out. I had to take a trip and I said, Jim, why don't you do another show? He had come in and guest hosted when I got really sick for a moment. I had an emergency and my team reached out, said, Jim, could you be a host? He said absolutely anything for the high wire. He was always there for us, really, really sort of a brother and a member of

our team. But when we asked him, what show would you like to do? We gave him a little bit more preparation the next time. He said, based on my Christian faith, there's, I've, I've, I've always wanted to speak to millions of people about the issues of aborted fetal cell lines in vaccines. It's really dear to my heart. It's very important. And if you'd let me, I would really like to do that segment. So for all of you, this is the segment that Jim wrote. This is what he cared the most about when he thought if there was one segment I could do, it's an important one.

And in his memory, we'd like you to watch it now. As a father, as a grandfather, as a doctor, as a follower of Christ, I am very committed to this issue of our religious freedoms. And why should we be concerned about vaccines and our religious freedoms? Well, I'll tell you, a very serious reason that we should be concerned is that many of the vaccines, the live virus vaccines in particular, Ferris cell of the chickenpox vaccine, Rubella, etc. These vaccines are grown on of an aborted fetal cell line. cells that were at the moment of a child's interest into the world, they were taken, captured in a plastic bag, taken to a vivisection table, and without anesthesia, without compassion, those tissues from their body were ripped out of their little bodies. And they were harvested, the cells were harvested to become the manufacturing substrate for generations of vaccines produced by the manufacturers of these live attenuated virus vaccines.

And they did not teach me this in medical school. They didn't teach us. In fact, medical school, what they teach about vaccines is little more than memorize the CDC recommended schedule and memorize how to catch a child up should they fall behind on that schedule. That's what they teach you. Two and a half pages in a textbook, you know, a few days in medical school. They don't teach you about what's in the vaccines, the ingredients, the possible contaminants, the aluminum adjuvants that could be neurotoxic in the human body, especially a small developing child's body. But the thing that I found out later in medicine, as a father of five children, that my children were being injected with the DNA micro fragments, the residual cellular proteins of a human child's cells that was sacrificed at the moment of its entrance into the world.

And I find that a very powerful reason, that people of faith should be demanding their religious freedoms, and they should be filing religious exemptions from these vaccines. When I debate pediatricians, I just go to the package insert. So can you. Because here's what the package insert for the Veracella vaccine, Verifax, says. The product also contains residual components of MRC-5 cells, including DNA and protein. So what is MRC-5?

It's the way they dehumanize a child like this 14-week-old male fetus that was aborted to become the endless production substrate. for the varicella vaccine and many other vaccines. Chicken pox, hepatitis A and B, typhoid, MMR, rabies, shingles, and smallpox vaccines. But this is just one of many fetuses that were aborted. You take WI 38. The 38 indicates at least 38 children

were aborted to obtain that tissue line that became the substrate for vaccine production. They're coded, so I think a lot of doctors don't realize that these cell lines, are dehumanized in their code names, so they don't realize that it's actually baby dough, a 14-week-old male fetus that was sacrificed. This is a real reason to object to the injection in our children and our cells of these abortion-tainted fetal cell lines in so many of our vaccines.

In fact, they're in so many of the medical products in the world today. In the Veracela vaccine, that Verivax vaccine, there's twice as much human antigen being injected into our children, twice as much human antigen from these aborted fetal cells as there is the baricella antigen. Let that sink in, ladies and gentlemen, twice as much human antigen being injected into our children multiple times throughout their life. And could that be a problem? Well, nobody knows because the people that should be providing the oversight are not providing the oversight. The debate is not being had. There is no discussion because the discussion is censored. And that's what's destroying real science and the health of a population in this world today. It's all about the

debate. We have to have the discussion. Highwire, you guys are a part of what has allowed me to learn and protect my children and my patients. I value that tremendously because as I've learned and dug into the science, I realize we're not being told the truth. And I realize how important it is what you're doing how important it is to this world and to the health of our children. So it's been an honor to be here. Thank you so much. I pray that all of you will be blessed and protected and be educated to the point, well, that you'll just rise up and resist what you have to protect your children, to protect your freedoms, and to protect our future. God bless you. My team told me that after he recorded that segment, he was sitting watching it in the

control room and tears were running down his face because he finally had done the story he wanted to do, which is all any of us can hope for. It's why I'm here. It's why we do what we do, to try and make the world a better place for our kids and to show our kids what it means to be alive, to be a warrior, to stand for the truth. You know, none of us are guaranteed how long we're going to be here and people will ask me, Del, are you afraid for your safety or your life or all the the ridicule that you get and I always answer them that you know my life is in God's hands I don't get to decide how long I'm here Jim didn't get decide how long he was here in fact when he was here doing that very segment he was complaining that he had a little strange pain like in his tongue

something was odd about it and he pushed through did the show anyway and got to do that brilliant segment it took some time and eventually it you know he discovered that he had cancer and it appeared to be starting in that spot in his tongue. And just months later, here we are talking about him, knowing he's in a, I suppose, a better place. I hope he's watching over us now and guiding us all now. But what I want to say about him to his family is what a great representation of life.

It's what we all pray we get to leave behind, that we get to be as bold and as brave and fantastic. and fantastic and honest and true. As Jim Mehem, I'm going to miss you, brother. All right, I'm going to try and throw it to another great warrior and a hero that is trying to fight for people every day in the time that he has on this planet. James Newen Swander is now the head of the MAPS doctors,

a movement of doctors, Medical Academy, Pediatric, special needs, doctors. And man, there's a lot of children with special needs. This is what that is all about. MAPS, spring 2024, how's everybody doing? The MAPS conference is a three-day CME training course for practitioners, anyone that's working with kids and young adults. MAPS is the future of pediatrics with the goal of educating all practitioners across the country on how to properly treat kids with complex medical issues

and special needs. We are here to help every child with special needs reach their full potential. We're trying to create this coalition of physicians who understand the needs of our patients in a more holistic or integrative way. When inflammation occurs in the brain, brain development stops. We have one in five children in our country with neurodevelopmental disorders. We have one in 36 children with autism. And so we're seeing a massive increase in children with chronic illness.

There's a tremendous amount of science. that we were never taught in medical school or science that we were taught in medical school that's been overridden by pharmacology. We're injecting nanoparticles into kids every time they get their injections. The aluminum nanoparticles are bound to bacterial and viral antigens,

which means that not only are nanoparticles getting across the blood-brain barrier, but so are microorganisms. The bottom line is the traditional way of approaching things, the American Academy of Pediatrics, they've failed our kids, terms of our healthcare. So we need to be looking at what do we do? How do we take care of these kids? That's why we need maps because that's what we teach. Get to the foundation,

get to the root. The idea is to expand your box of tools so that these children don't stay chronically ill and we can actually bring them to a more optimal form of health. This year I'm here at MAPS really talking about the non-speaking population and hoping to shift the paradigm out there that non-speaking equals non-speaking thinking. If they have difficulty with speech, they're generally all lumped into the same category as intellectually disabled. Once you give a reliable form of communication to a non-speaker, turns out they're really pretty smart and they're very much able to make decisions about their own health care and their own futures. Hi, my life has been saved by doctors like you, and I am

grateful for all the extra effort you put into helping solve such a complex disorder. The Speller's method, it's probably the biggest shift in the autism community to ever happen. This is something that I believe every practitioner needs to know about. Please take it for me. I am someone who had their life saved by the principles of functional and biomedical interventions. Before I got to MAPS, I didn't even know that non-speakers could speak, but that's what MAPS is about and that's what Spellers is about is in empowering these amazing human beings to share their light on the world so that we can all together make this a much greater place to live. What the families of special needs children really need are doctors on every corner.

I know that we can beat this. We just need every doctor that really cares about our children to come to a mass conference. I think the world is really changing around this subject and one of the people that's making that happen. Dr. James Newen Shwander joins me now. Always an honor and a pleasure. Pleasure to be here, Del. Well, I mean, you knew Jim. So let's just, you know, when something like that,

happens and it happens so quickly. There's several things that go through my mind. It makes us all think about, you know, could that be me? How does that happen? And I really think about all of the toxins in our environment, all the things that are going on, the fact that, you know, we are the sickest, you know, industrial nation in the world. There are things in our food that aren't allowed in other countries. I, you know, questions I would want to ask, did he get hepatitis B vaccines? I know when we were losing another great doctor, Dr. Tony Bark. And she says, as a doctor, I got so many hepatitis B vaccines, I think those things are killing me now.

And then you get into a system where you try to deal with it. And it just, as much as they act like they know what they're doing, medicine just seems blind. And we're talking about chronic disease, which for all of the pennies that people have dropped in the little buckets at grocery stores in the fundraiser, like we're not solving cancer, we're not fixing any of this stuff. Right.

What is going on? I mean, it just feels like we are looking at all the wrong places. Is this going to be another five-hour show, Del? It could be. What's going on. No, I mean, I think you hit on part of it, and it's this idea of, you know, we haven't changed. I mean, our genetics haven't changed. However long human beings have been on this planet, that hasn't changed.

What's changed is the environment, the toxins that we put into our body, And then also what we eat, what we do to fight those toxins. Because, I mean, things like lead and mercury, they've been with us forever. We have mechanisms. We have enzymes that are designed to detoxify lead and mercury. What we don't have are enzymes that are designed to detox. Phaas are designed to detox a dioxin or something like that. Those are newer molecules that are very toxic.

They're carcinogenic. And we really don't have great systems to detox them. I think PFOS, we have nothing. Okay. And that's tough found. We're talking about these forever chemicals that just are going to exist probably after we're all gone. Right. And so when you have a situation where you have cancer, I mean, you know, the strategy for the last at least 50, 60 years in treating cancer has been to use surgery, which probably works if you can remove the tumor, then things that kill tissue.

So either radiotherapy, you know, radiation therapy, or chemoferral. And the trouble with that is it's very hard to kill a tumor that is your genetics, right? I always say if you leave your tumor at a crime scene, they're going to bust you if they do genetic testing on it, right? Right, right. So it's you, it's your genetics with some modifications, and somehow they're going to take a poison that's going to attack that and not kill you at the same time. So chemotherapy is going to go after every rapidly dividing cell in your body. That's why you lose your hair. That's why you get gastrointestinal problems.

But the other rapidly dividing cells are your immune system. And what protects you against cancer? Yeah. It's your immune system, right? And so, I don't know. I don't want to pretend like I'm an expert at cancer because I'm not. But I do see cancer patients. I do know that there are pathways in cancer that you can target with, you know,

medications like developed chemotherapy type medications. You can target them with off-label drugs. You know, that's never popular because nobody has a patent on it. And you can target them with nutrients, with nutraceuticals, we call them. And then things that just support the body, that support your own nutrition. So there are multiple targets that you can use. The trouble is you go, and there are studies out there that say, if you see the oncologist and you see the integrative practitioner,

you're going to do better than if you just see the oncologist, right? And the trouble is when you go see the oncologist, they have one tool in their toolbox. Now, if what you have responds to that tool, hallelujah, praise the Lord, you have acute leukemia, chemotherapy works for that. You have most of the lymphomas, chemotherapy works for that.

You have head and neck cancer? Not so much. But that's the only tool they have in their toolbox. They have chemotherapy, they have radiation. And now they have immunotherapies, but they're even reticent to use those, even though they do work in head and neck cancer. You have to remember the vast majority of people that had head and neck cancer

It was because of tobacco use, right? But these days most people are not using tobacco anymore and so currently the main reason to develop head and neck cancer is supposed to be the human Papillomavirus. It's actually a chronic viral irritation of the tissue that ultimately causes that cancer So okay, that's right up the alley of what most integrated practitioners are looking at Look at the root cause. If a virus causes, why can't we use some of our? antiviral armamentarium to help with this in addition to whatever the oncologist or the radiation oncologist is going to be using to treat the patient you know and again I don't know Jim's right and by the way I want to be clear that I'm not making this I have no idea right what was wrong

Jim but it does bring up these questions because I have friends right now that are dealing with cancer and you're like what do I mean obviously you know you know people like Jim and Tony Bark know the best people and it, you know, it doesn't, you know, always. It's very difficult. Because the big thing that we use in medicine is fear, right? I mean, fear is what sold the pandemic. Fear is what sold the vaccine. Fear is what doctors use to sell you on what they want you to do.

And I don't, again, you know, you ask the question, are doctors in on it? I don't think doctors are inherently evil. And I mean, we've had this conversation before. I think we go into medicine because we want to help people. I think we want to do good. but I think we get brainwashed. But I can tell you that, you know, seeing how this system works, and, you know, I know a lot of stuff.

I understand how these systems work. I understand the biology of cancer, and I understand the biology of chronic disease, and what we can do about it. And yet I can sit there and listen to what some of these doctors are saying, and they can convince me, oh, well, maybe chemotherapy is the right way to go, or maybe radiation is the right way to go, even though I know what the success numbers are, right?

So they're not going to come in and say, well, gee, Del, you know, you have cancer X, and you know, we have chemotherapy for it. It's got about a 15% success rate or a 10% success rate for your tumor, but we recommend you do that. They're going to come in and say, you have cancer X, we recommend chemotherapy, and you need to start yesterday, right? They're going to use that fear because, I mean, at the end of the day, I can say I don't have a fear of dying, but I'm not facing my own death today. Right. Right. So I don't know. It changes everything. Right. It does. You know, the decisions we made, I had my, you know, a moment that Jim covered for me before where, you know, I was thinking, well, I suppose I'm out of blood, not sure why. You were part of helping me through that. I was like, I'm getting out of plane. You're like, don't get on a plane, Del. Don't get on a plane. Don't get on a plane.

Let's talk about the kids. It's a huge part of what you do. And we have, as I've said, just the sickest kids there are. It really is a. astounding that no one in government, none of our health agencies are addressing the elephant in the room. If you guys are so great at what you do with the regulatory agencies, something is causing this chronic disease epidemic. And this is what I say. Like people say, you know, you're an antivacism. How do you know it's vaccines, which is one of the things that I've focused a lot on? So let me be clear. I don't think it's just vaccines. I think and they'll say, well, what about the air? What about the food? What about all the pesticides on our crops or the steroids and vaccines in our meat or the fluoride in our water? And I say, look, first of all, ICANN is investing in fighting for answers to all of those things.

But let's be clear, every one of those things, even the P-FAS and all of it, have been approved and said to be safe by FDA, CDC, NIH, Health and Human Services. exist and are allowed to be used in this country because our regulatory agencies are saying, yeah, nothing to see here, you know, go on, no, give it to everybody, spray it on everything. You can even breathe it, you know, under your, and clearly they're killing us. Right. No, you know, you want to fix health care in the United States. You got to start with the kids, right? Yeah. So, you know, we have, and it's, the numbers are just phenomenal when you look at them. I mean, not just autism. You know, autism was maybe one in 10,000

when I went to medical school in 1981, right? You know, now it's what, one in 36? You look at rates of autism are also delayed. I mean, if you look at this chart, when I say it was one in 10,000 in 1981, and it's one in 36, that's kids that were born in 2012, right? What's the rate of autism now? We have no idea.

I put it on the graph, it's somewhere off the chart, right? Because we really don't know what that is. It could be one in 20, one in 15, one in 12. Yeah. But even when you look at comparing maybe 1980 to where we're at now, it's not just autism, right? It's rates of asthma. It's rates of food allergies, right? I mean, everybody and their cousin has a food allergy.

It's autoimmune disorders. It's type 1 diabetes. And if you look at the graphs for these, I mean, even food allergies, because it's just been recent. I mean, this graph shows, this doesn't go back to 1980. I think this goes back to 2007. But if you look at the last 10 years, it's just gone through the roof. And the graph on the right in case the adults say, well, I'm not a kid. I mean, these are things that used to sound so rare, like, oh my God, your body is attacking itself.

That's strange. Off the charge, rheumatoid arthritis. Right. And... Grones disease used to be Ashkenazi Jewish old men, correct? You're not being racist. No, no. You can be taking out of context these days, but that's where we...

That's where it was. And now it's children. Right. And any race. The reason why autism rates went up is because we're better at diagnosis. better at diagnosing it. Are we better at diagnosing Crohn's disease? Right. I mean, come on. Are we better at diagnosing a food allergy? No, it's that they're more prevalent. So then you look at, okay, what about the health of kids just like we're supposed to be this great country

in terms of taking care of our kids. What about simple things like infant mortality? I mean, you know, what is the death rate for kids under one year of age in the United States and compare it to the rest of the world? Okay. I mean, this chart, there's, there's, More babies dying on the first day of life in America than all the other industrialized nations can buy. Women dying while giving birth. Absolutely. I mean, you would think we're in the Serengeti, you know, and it's 130 degrees outside, and there's not a pale water in sight. That's about your odds here in America.

I mean, there's 29 wealthy nations. We're number 35 on that list. If you look at kids under five, you know, mortality for kids under five, we're number 45. Yeah. So we're number 36. Embarrass me. Yeah, and we're behind, you know, we're behind China, we're behind Russia, we're behind Croatia, we're behind Romania. But by all means, let us write all the regulations and hand the WHO and say this is what the rest of the world needs to do.

Follow our lead. This is what really pisses me off is it's not just children. I mean, if you look at health outcomes for the United States, for everybody, you compare them to those 30 industrialized nations. I mean, this graph is great because you can see most of them are clustered up there. And then who's, you've got Switzerland, and then you have Canada. and then you fall off the chart, and that's the United States. Right. And guess what, kids, we spend more money on health care than anybody else.

Right. We spend 50% more. I mean, you got the cluster. We put you in contact with your doctor more often than every other country that does better than you. Right. And we are the most vaccinated. We use the most drugs. We have, like you were talking about these toxins.

You know, there's a list of 10, 15 toxins that they've been targeted for elimination. I don't know, 15 years now. They're not used in the rest of the industrial. world but we still use them things like atrazine I mean this is horrible for the hormones and and how it disrupts everything and then this gets into our kids and and again if your solution is a pharmaceutical you're missing the point and and the idea that you know your kid has asthma why does your kid have asthma I don't know they bad luck you know I mean really that that's a that's a

biochemical basis for the disease background in your family nobody else ever had it yeah I remember when I mean when I was really started getting into this. I was working on the doctor's television show on CBS. And I would do, I did a story on, I think it was triclosan or triclosan, which was a product that was in our toothpaste. It was in soaps and things like that. And there was studies showing that it is altering your DNA. It's actually changing your DNA. And obviously that's problematic. Not something you want your toothpaste to be doing. And I remember reporting on the story. And when I did the investigation into it was amazing, as FDA finally said there are a

enough studies showing that this is altering the DNA and children and people and everybody using it and Colgate and Crest and they were all using it. And so the FDA said, so we're going to allow you a year to prove that the benefits of in your product outweigh the fact that it's altering your DNA and didn't take it off the market. And really, if you didn't catch the one headline, which I did to do a story on it, you're just brushing away while the companies try to figure out How do we make it, you know, that this chemical that's, you know, mutating your DNA still has such a great benefit? I mean, this is how they think and how they work. Instead of making the company say, go, you take it off the market.

We're going to destroy billions of vials of this crap. Yeah, you're going to pay for it. Probably should have done the science. It's just a disaster. So what is, like maps, like so when I think about all this contact of doctors, we are in contact with our doctors. We're more involved in medicine in America than any other nation in the world, and we are the sickest there are. Now, the math says to me, doctors are the problem, at least they're one of the problems. MAPS is trying to not be the problem.

What are you doing differently? Well, we're, okay, so we sort of have the, you know, if you look at the AAP, what's the mission of the American Academy of Pediatrics? It's really, you know, to promote the health, the mental, physical, and social health of, you know, in, children, adolescents, and young adults. So MAPS is looking at that same population, but we're not just looking at promoting the health. We're looking at identifying and treating the underlying causes of that problem, right?

So if you walk in my office and you're flapping and you're not speaking and you have rashes and you're constipated and you don't sleep and you come in with the diagnosis of autism, I'm not going to use that diagnosis, as how I treat, all right? So I'm gonna look at each kid individually and say, okay, what is the road that got you here

to this diagnosis? Well, let's start with your mom. I mean, what happened when she was pregnant? You know, was she sick? Did she have any fillings replaced? Did she have any vaccines done? You know, did she have any antibiotics? What were the circumstances of the birth?

You know, was it a C-section? Was it a vaginal birth? Were there antibiotics? Were there other things happened? Did that baby get vaccinated in the first day of life or not? because it does make a difference. I mean, you can say what you want,

but there is a difference in timing of these vaccines when they're presented. And then how is that baby fed? Was that baby breast fed from the breast? Would that baby bottle fed with breast milk? Was that baby bottle fed with, you know, N-final formula type stuff? Did that baby develop ear infections?

Was that baby fussy? Was that baby colicky? All those kinds of things. Because you're going to be able to classify these kids into different categories. This is an immune kid. This is a gut kid. This is a kid that has encephalitis.

A lot of kids on the spectrum, I mean, one of the first times I was on your show, we talked about an article, this was Dostasio, back before the pandemic. But what he showed, it was an autopsy article, and what he showed was that almost 70% of kids on the spectrum had inflammation of their brain on autopsy, and that inflammation wasn't from a virus, it was autoimmune. So if 65 to 70% of these kids, have autism because it's autoimmune encephalitis, why are we treating that with a bilify?

Right, that's not, that's a psychiatric drug. That's not gonna treat the underlying problem. So we're looking at what's actually driving. I remember a mom, I always like to say this, said to me, you know, maybe a year or two ago, and she said, you know, DEL, vaccines didn't cause my child's autism. Vaccine caused my child to have a brain swelling event,

encephalopathy, and the result of that encephalopathy, and it would be a symptom that I think, we call autism. That symptom could have been Tourette's. It could have been ADD-80-H-D-H-D. But it's a brain from the swelling of the brain that has a symptom. Do you think that's a way to look at it? Yeah, absolutely. And again, we look at, and it's, you know, MAPS isn't just about autism. MAPS is really about chronic childhood illnesses, you know, complex kids. So whether it's autoimmunity or it's asthma or it's autism, it's ADD, whatever the neural development of a problem will be. I mean, You know, I just saw a study that said something like 18, 20% of kids have a neurodeveloped

not a problem now. That's a great question. Because I always say, you know, when I'm giving my talks, I'll say, you know, that 60% of our children now are in a chronic illness category that's either autoimmune disease or neurological disorders. In your work, though, how much of the neurological disorders are actually autoimmune? Well, again, you're drawing a line that it's not a line. It's overlapping Venn diagrams.

Okay. You know, because a lot of neurologic disorders are autoimmune. Right. Or they're inflammatory. Or they're related to gut. You know, there's the gut-brain immune connection. You can't really separate those things out. So that's why you have to look at the whole child.

You have to use systems biology. You can't come in and say you have an ear infection. It's caused by this bug. Let me kill the bug. Because that's the AAP approach. And again, under the auspices of the AAP, despite their mission statement, they have failed miserably at what they're trying to do, right? Because all that has gotten worse.

And again, that over 50% number is because a lot of kids have obesity, right? That's what really kicks them over 50 and 60. But even obesity has been shown to be related to toxicity, right? So if you are a toxic person, you're much more likely to have obesity, type 2 diabetes, all that sort of stuff, whether you're a kid or an adult. Right. You know, and if you're born with this stuff and you have a predisposition, you're much more likely to develop that early on in life and not wait till your 40s to get the beer gut. It's going to happen when you're sex. Right. Is MAPs really in the work you're doing? Is this, I mean, people watch around this is this for doctors? Are there, what does a regular person want to know or need to know about MAPS? We're really looking. Look, I always say we got a battle going on here, right? I mean, we just have a battle for our children's health, and it's not just our children's health. It's for people like Jim. You know, it's a lot. It's. Like we have a battle going on and we have this system that's entrenched and well financed and really

driven by this pharmaceutical point of view. I mean, for every problem, there's a pharmaceutical to correct it. So really what I'm trying to do is raise an army. I mean, this is sort of the image I have. I need an army, not just of doctors. I don't just need MDs and DOS. I need any practitioner. I always say if you got a certificate on the wall and you see kids in your office, you should be a part of maps.

because we train practitioners to understand these principles, these principles of root cause medicine. Don't treat the symptom up here with the antibiotic for the ear infection. Treat it down here with the fact that this kid is sensitive to dairy and the dairy's keeping them congested and they're not draining their ears. And if the ears plug up eventually some bacteria is going to cause problems or some virus because most of them are viral. But if we can fix it down here, you never have to ask the question

which antibiotic should I use because they're not going to. to get the ear infection in the first place. I mean, that's the approach, right? And so it's for- Should someone be seeing a MAPS doctor if their child is, like, is there a replacement for pediatrics? Do we go and do I just say, you know, my kids healthy, I want to keep them from going into that space?

That's an interesting question. I mean, unfortunately there's not enough of it. Okay. You know, my goal was eventually, yeah, that there would be enough MAPS doctors that you could do that. You know, because parents are always saying, well, what about my well-child visits?

It's like what's a well child visit? Right, right? Because basically it's a vaccine appointment, right? I remember I read Jarvix, the guy that made the Jarvix heart like the first art official heart. I just ran like read an article and the whole article was how he said, if you are not sick, don't go to a doctor. He says, I just want to be perfectly clear, going to get checkups, going to get like he's like all of it. You know, prostates, he was against all of it. Right.

When you go to a doctor, they will start. you on a path that will ultimately end more likely in your demise than doing any good for you. I mean, now, it was just a shock, you know. Well, again, what medicine is really good at is acute care, right? We're really good at, you know, you got a gunshot wound, you got acute leukemia, you're having a heart attack, we're very good at that. That's what medicine shines at, right? And I always say, you know, if I'm in a car accident and I lacerate my liver, I don't want

a homeopath, I want a surgeon, right? You know, I want acute care. What we are awful at is chronic care. And the reason for that is the medications, the interventions we use all have toxicity associated with it, right? Risk benefit, you've got to weigh the boat to determine how you're going to put a patient on it. Well, it's one thing if you're going to put a patient on something for two weeks, all right?

It's another thing if you're going to put a patient on something for the rest of their life. And particularly a lot of these medications, and I'm thinking a lot of the cardiac drugs, like the statin drugs and that sort of thing, they do help a subset of people. but they put everybody on it. Right. This is, you know, back to the whole cancer treatment. All right, well, 100 people, it helps 30 of them,

but we're gonna put all 100 people on it. And it's not, you know, with chemo, it's not a no, no fault, no foul kind of thing. If you're wrong, you cause damage with this stuff, right? They understand that. So that means you're giving it to 70 people, got no benefit, and it damaged their system. So again, that's part of the problem with the medications.

And with kids, it's not, you know, an adult, is a fully formed, fully developed human being. By the time you're 30, your brain stops developing. I mean, it continues, but the actual structure is no longer developing. So what you do to a five-year-old is going to cause permanent injury for the rest of their life, right? The flip side of that is what you do to help a five-year-old is going to improve the rest of their life. And again, if we want healthy adults, we've got to start with healthy kids. And if we want healthy kids, we need to get off this bandwagon of your child has depression because they're suffering from an acute lack of prozac.

That's not why they're depressed. Right. Your child's prozac deficient. Right. That's not why they're depressed. And so we need to look at what are these root causes? What can we do to improve that? And yes, we need our regulatory agencies on our side.

I mean, you know the story with vaccine safety. I'm not, you know, are there. You can't get to any. can't put anything on the table because the regulatory agency, this is regulatory capture of corporate corruption. When you watch, you know, both all the last presidents, take the head of, you know, Exxon and make them put them or like a lawyer for Exxon into the EPA. Merck and Pfizer go into CDC and NIH.

You know, you take Verizon ends up running FCC. And it's, so you're, it's literally you're hiring Foxes to guard the henhouse. And then every time you say, can we look at the fox for a second? They're like, no, that's not allowed. And that's off the table. And how could you? And let me go on CNN and call you a bunch of names for even daring to say that that black box warning that says on Prozac could cause suicidal ideations and homicidal thoughts, that that could somehow ever lead to a school shooting. You've got to be insane.

You should never be allowed to speak publicly again when all you're saying is, can't we at least put it on the table? Can we just take a look at it? Can we do some side-glancing looks at, and none of it? Vaccines. Could vaccines be contributing to some of the autoimmune disease? Since it's designed to trick your immune system, I don't know, just a thought off the table. Everything is off the table because our regulatory agencies are being run by the people that made these things. I mean, you've seen Aaron Siri depose Catherine Edwards, right?

So Catherine Edwards, for those of you that don't know, is one of the co-authors. of the Bible on vaccines, Plotkin's vaccines, right? So, and she's under deposition, and he's asking her, and I'm paraphrasing because I'm not, I don't have that kind of memory, but he basically asked her for each one of the vaccines that you get prior to one year. So this would be D-TAP and the Pugio vaccine and the rhodovirus vaccine and the pneumococcus, all those things, he asked her for each one of them, right? you know, definitively, scientifically, beyond the shadow of a doubt, does this cause vaccines?

No. Does it cause autism? Does it cause autism? Then, you know, the answer is no. For each one of them. And then the cluster of them, the same question, definitively does this cause autism? No. And then for each one of them, he goes back and he says, do you have the evidence that it doesn't cause autism?

Right. And she has to say no. Now, I don't think she's lying. I think she honestly believes that they don't cause autism. She has faith. You got handed to her. I do. And it's the power.

It's the power of that system. She does believe. She believes. Somebody say, hallelujah. But it is, I mean, that's what we're up against. Yes. You know, we are up against a machine that somehow has managed to brainwash very intelligent human beings, right?

You don't get out of medical school if you're stupid. So these are very intelligent human beings. And able to brainwash them to the point of which, where she would defend that to the death. She'd be burned at the stake rather than admit that they caused autism, right? Because that's what she was. I feel like it was a good death.

I mean, like really would I did my service to humanity. I think. I mean, I know those people, I'm sure the comments are going, Dell, you guys are crazy. These are sick, twisted human beings that are out, you know. I don't even want to go there, right? You know, I mean, you know,

if we can change the CDC grade, if we can change the NIH grade, and certainly there is a certain, and presidential candidate probably can do that, but really what I'm looking at is what can I do in the system that we have now. And that's where we need people to come to maps. And I'm looking for, you know, I know I'm preaching to the choir on your show for the most part, but what I'm looking for, you know, parents tell your doctors. I mean, you can tell if your doctor's burned out, if your doctor's frustrated. I can't imagine being a pediatrician, seeing a patient every five to ten

minutes, knowing that the kid you're putting the antibiotics on, they're going to be back in two months for another round of antibiotics because you haven't done anything for why they have it. You know that. If you've been in practice more than 10 years, you know that, right? And those are the people we want to bring over. We're not crackpots. We teach science. So if you're a doctor out there, you've got a kid coming on on the third round of antibiotics,

you're thinking, boy, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You need to make a shift. Right. And it's not just, again, it's not just doctors as any practitioner. So, you know, we're counting on parents because those doctors probably are not watching the show, right? But the parents are. We need them to reach out to their physicians, their practitioners, and say, hey, have you heard of MAPS? Go to a conference.

And I'm telling you, if anybody comes to one of our conferences, they will be hooked. It is different than any other conference out there. You're enveloped in the community. It's not just, you'll learn more than you will anywhere else. You'll learn stuff that you didn't know. And, I mean, I've been doing this for 36 years. There's not a single conference I go to that I don't learn. something. Our last conference we did the Spellers people, we did with Bonker and we did

some of the other spellers and it was just amazing. I mean it wasn't a dry eye in the house and it was an amazing conference. We sold that out. We sold that out like people that waited to the last minute, sorry we don't have any seats left. You know we're not kidding. We don't have any seats. So that's what we're looking to do. We want to keep growing this thing and then also the other outreach that we're looking at. Maps is now nonprofit so you know people can donate to us and but We're looking to outreach to students. Because I always thought the two places you can reach people.

One is as a student. Students are open books. I mean, they'll suck up whatever information you give them. So, you know, we're looking to offer either discounted tuition for students or scholarships. We're trying to build that into our structure, our financial structure, so that we can get them from the very beginning. So, you know, if you're interested in pediatrics, you're interested in family practice, and you're some type of professional student, yeah, we want you at MAPS as well. I love this, James, because it's about solutions.

I mean, one of the things that I don't feel like we get to do enough of on the high wire, which is we point out a lot of the issues and the problems and what we need to be worrying about, but then what do I do with that information? How do I do anything about it? That's what you're involved in, which is, you know, retraining, rethinking how medicine should be working. Is there any chance, one of the things is I'm in these think tanks, all over the world, even in Geneva, how do we fix the system?

I'm like, we need a new licensing body. right is that is that is that in is that out there in the in the future of maps is it possible somewhere out the future you're like i want that type of doctor they should have their own licensing system the issue with the licensing is that the licensing is intimately tied into ordering testing and and you know if you do need pharmaceuticals that's with the licensing so you pretty much would need a completely parallel a system of medicine where you have your license through the system, you can order labs through the system, you can order medications through the system, so you'd have to have an entire system. That's more than I can bite off right now.

But again, what I'm trying to do is within what we have right now, within the hierarchy and the regulations of what we have right now, what can we do to train practitioners to get better outcomes? What would the future look like if we had a bunch of kids that were eating the way they're supposed to that were detoxified that weren't having their immune systems blasted out of the water that weren't being fed antibiotics at the drop of a hat that weren't being put on pharmaceuticals because they had a you know because they're depressed and you're not looking at the why and you're just throwing a drug at them? What would that future look like to have those kids grow up and become healthy adults? What would that do to the price, the cost that we are paying for medicine? you know, for our medical care and maybe move us up because we weren't always at number 37 or 38, right? We were at the top at one point. Yeah, but that was before we now have a pharmaceutical industry that is, has a strangled. Well, we became drug prisoners. We didn't do what you were doing, which it used to be, honestly, you go and talk to, you know, what's Dr. Sears, the father of the family that. Yeah, Bob's father. Huh? Yeah, I've, yeah. But I mean, back when doctors actually talk to the patient,

Listen to the patient. Andy Wakefield talks about this. You used to be taught to listen to the patient. The patient knows best. They're going to give you the information you need that no one else knows. Now it's like they blame, you know, society if you're being Dr. Google. All of our doctors are Dr. Google, right? It's like, oh, autism is like you said, Austin, beep, all right, here take this drug.

If that makes you sick, add this one to it. Right. It's just, it's what has become. How do we, where's the next conference at? Well, the next conference is going to be in Scottsdale. In September, it's going to be the 5th through the 7th. beautiful place. It's actually a great place to bring families in the fall.

So we do like that one. It is gorgeous. And the setup for this is gorgeous. It's got a couple of pools. They each have their own bar and food area. But the conference is going to be... So now the doctors still drink once in a while. Okay.

This is the crazy backward world we have, right? If you look at the top causes, reversible causes of mortality, right? Number one is whether or not you smoke. Smoking being bad thing. Right, right, right. Actually, I'm sorry, number one is your vitamin C level. That's what you eat. Oh, wow, okay.

Number two is whether or not you smoke, smoking being bad. The number three for men is alcohol, and number four is exercise. Number three for women is exercise, number four is alcohol. Alcohol being a positive, you live longer if you drink, right? And the reason why there's a difference between men and women is alcohol causes prostate cancer and breast cancer. Men tend not to die of prostate cancer. women do die of breast cancer, right?

So I always tell my male patients, you know, you've got a choice between the bar and the gym, go to the bar first because she'll live longer. It's not that alcohol is healthy. Okay. Very clearly, it's not all, I drink red wine, it is resveratrol. It's an antioxidant.

It's like, I drink martini's and I get the same benefit, and there's no antioxics. What does that benefit? It's because it relaxes you. It is the cost of that stress response being turned on 24-7 all the time. You do it right here. So meditating might be a better way. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

There are other ways to get the benefit. You know, the martini's the quick way, but, yeah, it's a little... And we want to donate or do anything, and if you want to get involved with you, what's your website? Yeah, so the website for Maps is medmaps.org. We actually have a... You can click on a... I forgot what they're called. One of those things.

Yeah, QR codes. To donate, you know. And then also, because we're just trying to get our footing financially, we're also appealing to anybody out there. that is interested in supporting this cause. You know, people that have been fortunate in life and have money that they want to donate, you know, we are looking for larger donors that can help us get our feet on the ground

so we can hit the ground running. So, you know, I'm really excited about the future. Our growth has been like this too. I mean, our growth looks like the option of growth. Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, the needs like this, and so, I mean, and everyone I know that's whether you were mainstream or not, you come up, you run into a dead end.

You're told there's nothing I can. can do. We've given them all the drugs we can think of. Sorry your kids not doing better. A lot how cancer goes and then moving into other spaces. So you're, you know, there's a huge need and there's plenty of work there. Well, and I just, you know, glad you mentioned that because I just want to put on a plug. I mean, I, you know, I came here to talk about maps and what we're doing with the kids, but, you know, Jim's death has affected all of us. And it's been tough. I mean, I wasn't that close a friend of his. I knew him. You know, I'd been on the stage with him. I knew his work, I knew his passion.

But the whole thing with something as complex as cancer, you know, don't get one opinion. You know, don't rely strictly on your oncologist. Number one, sorry, yeah, consult Dr. Google, but also consult an integrative practitioner that understands cancer because there may be things you can do to improve outcomes, even when they say there's nothing we can do. And don't wait until you're at death's door to do something like that, you know. And that's what I really, I think, is tragedy because most of these chemo regimens wipe out your ability to fight the cancer in the first place. And if they work, great.

But if they don't work, what are you left with? I love that you're out there paving, you know, the new old way of medicine. It's so important. It's a cartel now. It's a drug cartel that you're up against. And so if anyone's out there, if you're out there and you've done well, in life, this is really a worthy cause. It is another way that we can fight for our future. There it is, medmabs.com. There's a QR code. Keep up the great work. Thank you so much.

Thank you for all the support you've provided to the high wire. You're one of my confidants, people that I lean on many, many times. I'm just really honored to be able to go with my friend. The feeling's mutual, though. As I like to say, you know, when things get dark, I turn on the high wire. Good. Let's keep it that way. I'm glad voting. Howard reminded me we all got a laugh. Yes, we do. It all start to, you know, get ridiculously scary. All right, look, one of the best ways to sort of represent and introduce people and start a conversation,

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And, you know, there's no way to make these things make sense. This is something so much bigger than all of us. but that their family, the Meehan's, have taken on a huge debt. So we'd like to help them out if you want to help them out. Go to givesendgo.com slash mehan MD, a true hero. And we'd love to make sure that his family is blessed, especially because now they strike out on their own. That's the thing that I think about all the time, you know, is I charge into battle on a daily basis to bring the truth.

You know, you just hope that someone will step up and, if, you know, if I was ever to fall, that someone will take care of my family. That's what community is all about. And for all of you out there right now, they're thinking, what can I do? Hey, man, I just lost, you know, one of my big warrior buddies that's been charging bunkers with me every day. So why are everyone, when one falls, two should stand up. We need you right now. You're needed right now.

We do need to laugh, but man, there are some crazy people that are pushing. us in really dangerous places and we really need to find our inner strength. And I want to just, you know, lastly closed thinking about Jim and how dedicated he was with every day of his life. It was, as the Native American proverbs say, it was a good day to die because I know on every day that Jim was alive, he was doing his best to make the world a better place, to bring truth to power and standing for what was right. He's a true symbol to his beautiful and powerful family of what we should all dream to be as we grow up. And, you know, there's some of the conversations that are going on. I want to take this moment. You know, one thing Jim never did was talk bad about

anyone else in this movement, even if he didn't agree with something someone was doing. What he recognizes, we all need to be focused on truly that attack that's coming from, you know, outside and coming at us, coming at our children, when we turn at each other, that's exactly what they want. So, you know, step up. Remember to keep your eye on the prize. Remember that your kids are watching you. You only have, you know, a select number of days to represent to your family what it means to be a truly great human being. That's what, you know, I aspire to be.

That's, you know, we've got great representations through all of the religions of the earth, of who, you know, we want to aspire to be. But you should end every day being able to say, today would have been a good day to die. I'm proud of who I was. I'm proud of what I represented. I'm proud of what my kids saw in me. I'm proud of what I stood for. And I know I made the world a better place with just one step at a time. That's what Jim Mehan did.

He will be missed. He will never be forgotten. And what he built and made possible for so many is where others are just starting to climb. We will be at the top of the mountain. Victory will be ours, Jim, because of you. And so many like you. Go out and find that hero inside of yourself this week. and don't forget to laugh.

I'll see you all next week on the Highwire.