The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 381: COUNTERING THE NARRATIVE

Episode Date: July 19, 2024

The Attempted Assassination of Donald Trump; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on a Key Piece of the Puzzle That Contributed to the Attempt on Donald Trump’s Life, Former CDC Director Exposes a Data Coverup, and California Passes Yet Another Law That Puts the State Between the Parent and their Child; New Dangers from Baby Formula to Your Growing Baby.Guests: Byron Rodgers, Zen Honeycutt, Michelle Perro M.D.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Yeah. Action. Good evening. Wherever you are in the world, it is time to step out onto the High Wire. It is such an honor to be with you guys today. My name is Tracy Beans. I'm a contributing editor to the High Wire and the editor-in-chief at UncoverDC.com. And I've been an investigative journalist for quite some time now, and at Uncover D.C., we cover all of the topics that, you know, other people shy away from.

And we tell you the truth. We present actual journalism. We've covered, you know, the political corruption in the Trump administration. We've covered the COVID pandemic inside and out, obviously the dangers of the MRAA vaccines and health freedom. This story that we're about to talk about has kind of touched America much more deeply and differently than those we've covered in quite a while. For those of you who may have been living under Iraq, this past Saturday, there was an attempted assassination of President Donald J. Trump. We're going to show you a little bit of that right now. Take a look. Breaking news right now. We're getting word. There were loud noises during a rally in Pennsylvania. Gunshots fired at a Donald Trump rally. This is near Pittsburgh.

There has been an incident at Donald Trump's Pennsylvania rally. It appears shots have apparently been fired. Former President Donald Trump shot in the ear during a rally in Pennsylvania. The president was hurt but expected to be okay. Within minutes of former president Donald Trump taking the stage, we heard a series of popping sounds. That's a couple of months old and if you want to really see something that said, take a look of what happened. could be seen reaching for his face and neck, then quickly ducking behind the podium as his

secret service detail rushed the stage. Those are secret service agents. I'm trying to pull Donald Trump off the stage. He's pumping his fist in the air. The crowd is chanting USA, USA. Tragically, one person attending the rally was killed and at least two others were hurt. Somebody over there was screaming. He's been shot. He's been shot. So I made my way over. I said, I'm an emergency department physician. Let me help you. The guy had spun around, was jammed between the benches. He had a headshot here.

There's lots of blood. Witnesses who were at the rally described the frightening moments when they realized what was happening. Somebody started yon, hit the ground, hit the ground. And when I looked over and then I saw the smoke from the gunfire. Before the shooting, saw a guy, a gray shirt, climbing up the metal roof on the building right beside us.

trying to alert cops and police that there was a guy crawling on the roof. And then we saw a rifle sling over his shoulder. Right here, right on the roof. I look up at the top of the AGR building, and there was a gentleman going in prone position with a rifle. He then laid down, took four shots. I realized right away at what was happening. I was scared for my life. It was intense.

It was really surreal. Still so many questions about what happened this past weekend. So we're bringing in an expert from Sabre Defense. It's basically like the Secret Service for the private sector. As the world becomes more turbulent, everything we do is mission critical. Protect, defend, serve. Sabre defense team. It's where experience matters. The Sabre defense team brings professionals to bear that can handle absolutely any mission.

Our security professionals will seamlessly integrate into your life, and many times you will not even know that we are there. We are here so that you do not have to worry about safety and security, and you can focus on what it is that you're here to bring to the world. We just found out, like, not even, I don't know, a couple of hours ago, ago that they knew that this gentleman was there on the grounds for at least three hours before he stepped into the position he was in when this incident happened. So what do we do now? How did the Secret Service completely fail to act on what was an obvious threat? How did they,

how did they miss a five-foot ladder? How did they, you know, how did they not alert the local police that were right there who were within distance to do something? about it. This is the Secret Service of the United States of America with a budget bigger than most agencies in the United States have. And they're not only protecting, you know, candidates, but they're also protecting the presidents of the United States. So these are major questions that we have of all of our institutions that are supposed to be doing our job. Now, we have the president going all over the world. We can't have a secret service who may or may not be just a little too comfortable, who may or may not be getting the support that they need.

or the money they need or the instruction they need or the training they need. And there's a fine line between, you know, wanting to support an agency from the inside and having that agency seemingly not step up to the plate in one of the most important times. I think we've got Byron ready. Byron, you good? Am I good? Radio Check. How do I sound? You sound wonderful. It's so good to have you here. Thanks so much. Thank you. It's an honor.

Oh, sure, thanks. Tell us real quick about you, what you do, the type of people you protect, etc. Absolutely. So High Net Worth Families has really been our specialty. I've been doing this work since 2008 upon exiting the United States Marine Corps. Infantry, I was with 3-1 Lima Company. We went over to Iraq multiple times. And this is really all I've done my entire life. High-Nitworth individuals, acting, singing talent. We've serviced every client demographic. this industry has to offer. We've done events up to 250,000 people inside of a weekend. So this is kind of what I eat, sleep and breathe. We also have one of the top training companies

in the world for this, and so this is my world. So if, that being said, if you were training someone on a scenario like we saw Saturday, what would you have trained them to do? Yeah, well, I think the first breakdown really came with the response from the information that should have been taken from the advance work, right? So when you walk through one of these sites, you're going to identify different areas

where there are risk factors, and there were multiple areas that it sounds like were not addressed, right? So if you look at the grounds here, you have an extremely prominent risk factor where the gunman was, and the fact that that gunman still had a clear line of sight to the stage would have been, you're setting yourself up for failure, right? So your counter-sniper teams, hopefully you have drone teams. You know, we've worked presidential candidates and political figures and you know these things are kind of rudimentary tools that we use just even in the private sector to provide quality protection to those who we seek to serve so the first thing is conduct a thorough walkthrough which i'm sure they did um the reasons why these

risk factors in the terrain weren't addressed i don't know um and what i want to say for sure is you know i have the utmost respect for anyone who signs on to do the job of professional protection and I know it's easy for us to you know to look after the fact but I want to let them know that we respect what it is they're doing but the reality of this situation unfortunately is that there are just questions that need to be answered and they came at a great cost that day what kind of decision making is there when you've got now we're learning a three-hour notification that there's a suspicious individual somebody who by all accounts and purposes carried in a five-foot ladder to set up next to a building to get up there. What kind of absolute breakdown would

there have to be? And how many levels of security are there in that situation that broke down? Yeah. So when you identify a risk factor like that, I'm honestly not sure how, you know, the presidential candidate Donald Trump was able to get on the platform. When you identify a BOLO, you have a be on the lookout, a person that you're looking out for. Everyone on your team should be notified. There are certain words that you'll use if there is a risk that's identified, such as someone on a rooftop presenting a rifle. The grounds should have been locked down prior to 24 hours prior to the event. So the fact that they did possibly identify him and then he made it onto the roof and reports say that they were aware that he was on the roof and they were seeking

to deal with that. It's just kind of unfathomable. So the parts of, you know, the parts of the I think personally what broke down is that possibly the guys on the ground were not able to do what it is they're there to do, which would have been addressed that threat. It sounds like they may have been in some way told to stand down and something happened because I know there are men and women on that team that are there to do their job and the fact that nothing got dealt with. Like I said, it's very difficult for us to know exactly what happened and what, you know, that team was dealing with. but there had to have been some operational parameters that stopped them from acting. There just had to have been. The next question that I have is, you know, a lot of people haven't been addressing this. And thanks so much for your expertise on this.

The stage, once that shot was fired, Donald Trump was struck by the bullet. He ducked down himself. Was the length of time that his team made it up to that stage to protect him adequate? Or was that a little bit too long for what is supposed to happen? So I think as we mentioned, the breakdown really took place prior to all of this, right? So putting things in the way, you know, running different, different like a, you know, fire truck and hosting some hoisting some flags, blocking the line of sight to the platform would have been awesome.

Communication, the speed of communication so that the teams could deal with any credible threats in the area and that that individual could have been dealt with initially. that is the ideal way that these things are dealt with. Drones patrolling the environment, making sure that these things are dealt with long before our principals get on the stage. And then ultimately, understanding when you need to get them off the stage

or not even let them on there in the first place. These are the huge things that I think we need answers for. But as far as, once the action started and the shots began to be fired, from what we can see, those agents got up there as quickly as possible as humanly possible. they look like there was some confusion and some different reactions, but overall, I would say that, you know, you have a lot that's got to get done.

You have to conduct a medical assessment on your principal to understand whether or not they're ambulatory, whether or not you can actually move them. If there are injuries that are life-threatening and you get them to the vehicle and they die on the way to the vehicle, they die in the vehicle because things were not addressed. So you're depending on the different layers of your team. You're depending on the cat team, the tactical guys in front of the stage with the long rifles to make sure there's no secondary attacks. You're depending on your sniper team to provide overwatch and cover while you do these assessments. You make sure you understand where you can go safely and then you go there safely and in a controlled way so that you don't run into the attack of the enemy. Because, you know, and that's one of my major concerns with this. you know, if a 19-year-old, 20-some-year-old assailant can do this much damage to our, you know,

to what we have in place to protect our presidential candidate, I wonder and I worry, what could happen if a coordinated team of professionals or even veterans decided to do the same thing. And we have credible threats all around, you know, presidential candidate Donald Trump right now. So what would you recommend? Like, if you could give a recommendation to the to any candidate that's running right now, from the president who has secret service all the time to an RFK or a Donald Trump, what would you recommend in your professional expertise?

I would recommend getting multiple teams, and I would recommend running those two teams in tandem with each other, right? So there's something that happens when we've been doing this work for a long time. I've suffered from it, and I do everything I can to make sure that my teams don't suffer from it, but when you do a job,

job like this for a very long time and nothing happens, sometimes you can start to think that nothing happening is because you're that good. In all actuality, the psychological stance should be when it happens, right? It's difficult to maintain that. And I think the lack of action between understanding that there's a credible threat in the environment and acting upon that, neutralizing that threat in any way, right? You know, the fact that there was no one on the roof and these different things that did not get dealt with, I think there's a chance that it may have to do with something like that. But like I said, hindsight is 2020.

What I would do is I would implement a multiple team structure. And I would give both of these teams the responsibility of securing the principal. And I would let these two teams essentially almost compete. And so the things that the other team does not pick up, the secondary or the private sector team will be for sure picking. up and, you know, may the best team win. It's almost like, you know, it's the way we work the economy. It's business, right? And that's what I would, that's what I would do. And in this operation, too, you see that, you know, their joint, you know, joint agencies working together to make things

happen. But on the private side, it's a little bit different, you know, because it is business. And our ability to survive does have everything to do with the quality of service that we give to you. There's no getting moved around, you know, if you, if you fail on an assignment, you lose your job, you know, and your honor with that. And I'm not saying it's, you know, it's something to be considered and it's a way that the private sector is very different. Everything depends on what we're doing. Well, speaking of that, actually, then you're choosing who's going to be protecting your protectee, right? So when do you stop and say, well, my protectee is six foot two? We have a really, really bad female, you know, agent, for lack of a better word, but she's only five, five, six.

How do you make those decisions and what should those decisions be? Right. Those decisions should be completely, extremely by the numbers. Who is the best human being for the job? Who has the highest cutting score? Who has the highest ASVAB score if we're in the military? Who has the highest level of physical potency? Who show the best decision-making skills?

When we place a principal with an agent, it all comes down to who has the best score. who is the best agent for that job. So I personally think that, you know, as us being, you know, leaders of the free world, when people look at our protection team, it is a representation of the best Americans in service to the number one man in the, you know, in the government in many ways. That team should strike fear in the hearts of our enemies, and that team should be extremely competent. And that team, everyone on that team should be able to pick that president up and move him if necessary and cover him. If the individuals on that team are not tall enough to do something like that,

you know, I just the numbers don't lie, right? The math is not mapping, right? So those individuals should be able to cover that man, move that man, sometimes even against his will if necessary to maintain security. And those individuals should be stress tested. We saw some, some, some, you know, questionable abilities to deal with the stress of the situation and manage the cortisol, you know, but that's what we do. That's what we train for.

That's what we train every single day for. You know, at Sabre, we say protections more than just a job. It's a lifestyle because it's the things that you do when you're not on the job that provide you the capabilities to perform on the job. And I don't think anything other than the most potent professional and highest performers should be anywhere near any principal, but especially, you know, the principal who could become the next president the United States again.

So I have to ask you this question. I think I know what you'll answer will be. The sloped roof, the sloped roof answer that we got from the director of the Secret Service. Yeah. Secret Service boss blames sloped roof for not putting sniper team on building used by would by Trump assassin. Tell me about that. What do you think?

You know, it's one of those things. We dealt with this in the Marine Corps and we're looking at a peacetime Marine Corps versus is a combat-centric Marine Corps, right? And we would have these certain rules and safety procedures that were put in place now that we weren't dealing with real true danger. And to me, the reality is this. The men and women who signed up to do that job

that have invested their lives to become, the tip of the spear that have invested everything they have, to be in those positions on that day, they've been dreaming about that day, they've been training for that day, their entire lives, do not care about a sloped roof. Okay, driving your car home tonight has a higher risk profile

than walking around on that sloped roof. And if I don't care what we got to do, whether you got to strap us in and we got to hang from zip tie and we got to repel down the side of the building, if it has to do with protecting our principle, we're going to do it. And, you know, these are the types of,

I believe these are the types of rules and safety precautions that get put in place when you're dealing with, you know, when you're not dealing with real world threats enough to realize you just have to do what you have to do to get the mission done. And, and, you know, I just, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't sign off on that. We need to do everything we can to protect this man and any and every other principle that signs on and trusts us with their life, sloped, roof or not. Do you think it was actually a procedure? Do you think it was an excuse, be honest?

You know, I know that there are these types of rules that are in place, but I honestly think, you know, it's probably a cop-out. You know, we're going to secure the building from inside the building. Maybe, you know, but I still have a million questions around why that area after I'm sure it was identified as a terrain feature that was a huge risk factor. You know, there's something called tactical positioning. And it's, if I'm in an elevator and someone is back here in my corner panel, I don't care who it is. I don't care if it's your grandma. But I need to make sure that I'm positioning myself so that I'm not exposed, right? And it's a very, it's a very, it makes you thorough when it comes to protecting yourself and a venue and or the overall life cycle or pattern of life of your principal and client.

From the moment, from the moment Donald Trump left wherever secure location he was, the drive to the venue, when he got out of the vehicle and walked to the green room or the stage, whatever they had set up. Every single choke point, every single terrain feature that represented a tactical risk must have been addressed. And I know that the Secret Service is extremely thorough when it comes to this aspect of what they do. There's some of the best in the world. But there seems like there was a disconnect here where this specific terrain feature was not addressed. And that's where I think all the questions need to be answered. Because it's simple to address it. You can block it in a million different ways.

You can block the line of sight in many different ways, you know. And unfortunately, that wasn't done. And then understanding that law enforcement agencies were aware of this individual, you know, he was a Bolo. They saw him with range finders. They, you know, knew that there was someone on the roof and that that information stopped somewhere in the chain and nothing was done about it. You know, it sounds like possibly maybe they didn't want to stop the venue. No one wanted to be responsible for stopping the venue. These are things that protectors have to deal with.

You know, we have protectors on stage, but you have to have show stop procedures in place. And you have to be willing to stand on the carpet saying, sir, madam, I stopped the show and we evacuated off the stage. And these are the reasons why. And when you have a leader who has experience with those high threat or high risk type of operations, they're quicker to make those decisions. and other leaders, you know, sometimes, sometimes aren't, depending on their background and where they come from and their value structure. So I, you know, the fact that he made it to the stage with all of the information that we now have, the understanding that those pieces were on the board, is still a big question mark to me. And the fact that there weren't drones in the sky and the fact that, you know, law enforcement, you know, peeked their head up. They saw someone with a rifle and there wasn't a cat team, an S-R-T team.

There wasn't, you know, SEB wasn't skirting the building and there wasn't a smokescreen or, you know, have the local fire department hoisted American flag in front of that building. You know, they'd love to come down and be a part of it. You know, none of these things were done. You know, I really respect the agency. I really respect the gentleman that do this job. So, you know, I respect them, but there are just some questions that I think need to be answered at the leadership level. because I'm sure they would have done it if they were given the green light. I really appreciate you coming on with us today, Byron.

Thanks from Sabre Defense Team. Thank you so much for being here. It's an honor and privilege. Thank you so much, Tracy. So we have a great show coming up for you guys today. We've got Zen Honeycutt from Moms Across America and Dr. Michelle Perro. They're going to come talk to us about baby formula. As a mom hearing this information, even though my kids are older,

You're not going to want to miss this segment. Please keep your eyes peeled, stay with us. But first, we have the Jackson Report. Jeffrey, good to see you. How you doing? A little bit of an interesting arrangement for us today, but I'm super excited to hear what you've got. Yeah, you know, following that interview,

I'd like to talk about the media's role in creating the atmosphere for something like this to happen. And for years past, the media, corporate media I'm talking about specifically has had monopoly on creating narratives. They weren't really challenged. And even up until COVID, it took about a year or so for a critical mass of people to start questioning the evidence behind the lockdowns or the science behind the vaccines. And this is something that has rapidly increased. There's even a book on this by Noam Chomsky called Manufacturing Consent. This has been known for a long time. This is how the media

and the power classes of the U.S. do these things. And so, When we saw the incident happen to Donald Trump, we immediately saw the media go into headlines like this. This is Associated Press. They wrote, Donald Trump escorted off stage by Secret Service during rally after loud noises ring out and crowd. CNN says Secret Service rushes Trump off stage after he falls at rally.

Now, I'm not wanting to defend corporate media, but in their defense, these were early headlines, but still, anybody, any citizen journalist or anybody on social media was already, was already scooping that story and going into the real narrative. So we're seeing, I think, for the first time, is unraveling of narratives in real time by citizen journalists, by just regular people. This is a phenomenon I've never seen in my lifetime. So it'll be fascinating to see how this unfolds. But really going back to the media, general violence becomes more acceptable.

And the chances of events like this happening, what happened to Trump increase when the media has been doing this for several years. Check this out. Donald J. Trump presents a clear and present danger to our democracy. If this is what we're going to be, this won't be a democracy. That's a monarchy. It was repugnant. An actual Trump-led wannabe empire is the end of democracy. A re-election of Donald Trump put me in the end of democracy. He's showed how dark his soul is, but now he is proving himself to be a truly dangerous man. Increasingly, Donald Trump is turning this nation into Nazi Germany.

I hate comparing Trump to Hitler because Hitler could concentrate for more than 30 seconds. I want to start using the word fascist. Yeah, he's a fascist. The tendencies, many tendencies like Adolf Hitler. You don't have a president, as you said, talking about exterminating Latina. This is not a reach. I can go back and talk about Nazi Germany and I do it, I do it without any concerns whatsoever. And if people can't start drawing the parallels, well, you're just stupid or you're one of them.

We're on the edge of a brutal authoritarian system. That'd be ready to throw a punch. We had to be ready to throw a punch. Donald Trump, I think you need to go back and then punch him in the face. That I thought he should have punched him in the face. I feel like punching him. I'd like to take him behind the gym if I were in high school. We were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.

No, I wish you were in high school I could take him behind the gym. I will go and take Trump out tonight. Take him out now. When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House. If you had to be stuck in an elevator with either President Trump, Mike Pence, or Jeff Sessions, who would it be? Does one of us have to come out alive? They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump.

Jeffrey, we lived through that, Jeffrey, but seeing it like that, no words. No words for that. I mean, we all watch that, and I would hope to think that. a large portion of the country watch that and discuss, not because it's Donald Trump, but because of the power the media does wield still and the influence it has on society to shape minds. And even elected officials were caught up in that.

This is New York Representative Dan Goldman. He had to apologize in the past after saying Trump has to be eliminated. And so there is precedent for this. John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. And before he arrived in Dallas, days before he arrived, he arrived in Dallas. This flyer, about 5,000 copies of it were distributed and put around the area. And, you know, it's like kind of a wanted dead or alive poster and accusing him a range of offenses

from not upholding the Constitution, lying to Americans, supporting communism, basically a threat to democracy. Where have we heard that before? So with media being so supercharged right now in social media, what they have been doing is extremely dangerous. And you know it's bad, even when Snoops, the fact checker, has to come out and say, yeah, we kind of did that. The president even has said put Trump in the bull's eye. But here's the context. He didn't really mean it. So when Snopes comes out and says you're correct, you know that there's definitely something amiss for sure.

Right. And so post-assination attempt, here we are. And a political action committee called the Lincoln Project is still running ads. they're still not toning down the rhetoric. So this is still dangerous. So people need to understand. This is their tweet on X just a couple days ago to almost 3 million followers.

And it shows videos of Hitler. It says Hitler's power wasn't taken. It was given. And once he had control, he enacted his horrifying dictatorial agenda. The same dynamic is at play with Trump. And so we really need to check ourselves here because we can have honest debate and discussion. There's no need to do this.

And it's continuing to create an atmosphere. I still think it's extremely dangerous right now for political candidates. And when we talk about the media, censoring views, opposing views, censoring conversation, there's nothing new after living through the COVID response, especially for our audience. But when government starts to direct it,

then it becomes historically dangerous, this runaway, this breakaway speed. And we saw this with the Department of Homeland Security's disinformation governance board. That came out to really shut down speech on COVID to protect election integrity. And that was shut down almost immediately by the people. The pushback was instant from within and without government.

And shortly after that, we have Mayorkas announcing this. Secretary Mayorkas announced his establishment of Homeland Intelligence Experts Group. So this is an outside group that was going to kind of feed information and intelligence to Homeland Security. And who was in this group? Well, John Brennan, James Clapper, Paul Kolb. These are former directors of CIA, National Intelligence, and high level, high level people in those organizations,

essentially part of the deep state. And those people are the same people that signed on to the Hunter Biden Russian disinfo laptop story. They were three of the 51 intelligence agents. And that headline was in 2020 in the run up to the election saying that a hundred Biden's laptop really didn't exist. This was Russian disinformation.

Those people are now recycled into advising DHS from an outside perspective. Well, thanks to the world, of America First Legal, news broke that that has been disbanded. America's first legal put forward a legal, basically a legal case. And this was the headline on X, that Biden administration will dissolve and disband its unlawful DHS intelligence experts group. But the best part of this says they are also turning over

their internal documents to our possession. So what has been basically discovered in these internal documents is absolutely shocking. This was one of the releases, the press for the press releases they just put out. Brennan Clapper Group pushed DHS to adopt covert influence campaigns to crush political opposition. And it says in there moreover, the group

discussed redefining political dissent as a public health crisis. At first, the group wanted this messaging to come from the White House. So that's saying political speech, only certain political speech, can be censored. And it's going to be under the heading of a public health crisis. We're seeing those climate change. People have seen those have seen those health.

guidelines, climate change is a public health crisis. So why are they doing that? Well, you know, we've had work from Dr. Michael Nils, who wrote indoctrinated brain. The public is primed because of the psychological operations during COVID to accept a public health crisis. Anything under that kind of heading is going to get a reaction to the public. So these are what these CIA heads, these ex-intelligence heads are saying, let's just loop it under and tell it. Let's just loop it under a public health crisis. And people will accept us censoring their political speech. That's what's being talked about at the highest levels. You know, it's crazy. I cover Missouri v. Biden. Obviously, it's a, you know,

a wide-ranging anti-censorship case for lack of a better word. And they address all of this. And the Supreme Court just a couple weeks ago basically gave the government its manual on how to get around this doing basically what you're talking about right now. You know, any bureaucracy they can find that they can use to get the CIA operating on American soil, they seem to be doing. And of course, I'm being a little hyperbolic there, but you get what I'm saying, Jeffrey. Absolutely. And, you know, the public health crisis or the pandemic response created its own public health crisis because of the mandated vaccines. And this is something that's been just unraveling about the harms caused by this. And we had former CDC director Robert Redfield for several years.

He was a CDC director into the pandemic years. He was in front of a Senate committee testifying. And this is what Ron Johnson asked him. Take a listen. I think, Senator, what you're getting at, which I'm 100. I'm 100% agreeing with you is I think there was not appropriate transparency from the beginning about the potential side effects of these vaccines. And I do think there was inappropriate decisions by some to try to under report any side effects because they argued that would make the public less likely to get vaccinated. I do think one of the greatest mistakes that was made, of course, was mandating these vaccines.

they should have never been mandated. It should have been open to personal choice. They don't prevent infection. They do have side effects. I'm going to clinic this afternoon. But again, again, I appreciate your admitting side effects, but you have to admit the people of the agencies, the marks, the Dr. Marks, the Dr. Woodcock. They're still, by and large, denying this, right?

They're saying, well, they're mild, they're rare, and they're mild. They're not rare, and they're severe to death. The FDA should release all of the safety data they have. I was very disappointed to hear that they were planning to hold. hold on to that till 2026. That really creates a sense of total lack of trust in our public health agencies towards vaccination. It's counterproductive.

So Mr. Chairman, I'm not getting cooperation out of the chairman of the Perm Subcommittee investigation to issue subpoenas to get this information, this information. You have not yet issued a subpoenaed to get the final 50 pages unredacted. I would suggest we do that. Again, as important as the cover up of the origin story

there's a lot more that's being covered up the public has a right to know we pay for these agencies we pay their salaries we fund these studies and they're not giving them to us yeah thank goodness for Ron Johnson huh I mean yeah so what he's talking about there is criminal behavior what Robert Redfield is talking about there is criminal behavior decisions by some to under report side effects to to hide this from the American people you know since we're on this topic just to follow up from our last story. Biden, just last night, preparing for this segment, Biden has tested positive for COVID-19.

This is out of CNN. It's, they're calling it a pivotal moment in his reelection campaign. This is the third time he's had this. And if people remember in 2020 run, he said, you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations. He's had six doses.

And what's interesting, going back to what we were talking about of narrative control, just keep that in mind in manufacturing consent. Biden just a couple days ago did an interview with BET where he said if he had a medical condition that emerged out of nowhere, he might consider dropping out. So at this point, I think everybody should be investigating coincidences. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's no other good way to say it. It's just it's absolute crazy town out there right now. You never know what's coming next. I mean, every second it's something you never thought could ever happen. But to your point, six,

six shots. And this is his third time he's had he's had COVID, like you said, six shots. Right. And we've covered a lot of the studies showing the negative efficacy of those shots, saying you're more prone to get code if you have this. He is on Pax-Lovid. But as far as the CDC's concerned, they're not listening to the wisdom of Robert Redfield, who seems to get it now. They're actually going forth and recommending another COVID vaccine for this coming flu season. I believe that's 10. If people are counting, so 10 is what you're looking at now. But really the big picture here, pulling back is whoever is elected to lead this country

is going to face a raging chronic disease epidemic in children, and they're going to face systemic issues at the core of science and medicine. And again, going back to Robert Redfield is saying decisions by some to underreport side effects, criminal behavior, where have we seen this before? We saw this with Purdue Pharma, the maker of Oxycontin. This was one of the headlines here. They had to plead guilty to federal criminal charges for misleading regulators. Obviously, people know this led to, at the very least, massive health care costs, but

it's runaway addictions in this country. And so this lack of due diligence on the part of medicine is really a breakaway speed. And we're seeing this now being created, these little brush fires like which started with OxyContin and Purdue Pharma. We're seeing another sector. This is the weight loss, injectable weight loss drugs. And this started when the FDA gave approval for these weight loss drugs for kids. This was for obesity in teens, 12 and up.

And as soon as that was done, the AAP American Academy of Pediatrics came out right on the back of that and said, consider drugs and surgery early for obesity and kids in their new guidelines. And you look at these guidelines, it's jaw dropping. They say children struggling with obesity should be evaluated and treated early and aggressively, including with medications for kids as young as 12. in surgery for those as young as 13. Those are the new guidelines. And what you get then, and this is, there's been lots of studies on this, but when these

new drugs come out, there's a push by Big Pharma, and they plant stories in op-eds, and they make it look like they're just organic stories. But here's one, how OZimpec could save America's health system. So you're seeing this huge push on this drug. But unfortunately for the drug makers, an independent preventative task force has done on a systemic review of these drugs to try to get ahead of what's probably going to be tens of thousands of lawsuits from these adverse effects. So this task force published this systemic review looking at the evidence of the weight loss

drugs and they said this, while several medications, remember if anybody who knows on this, send them this review. While several medications demonstrated greater weight loss than placebo, the totality of the evidence was found to be inadequate. That's where we're at right now. The important limitation of the pharmacotherapy studies was that there was only a single trial for each effective medication, phenomine, pyromate, semi-glutide, lyraglutide, that lasted longer than two months.

So they don't even have long-term studies. The studies show that when you get off these drugs, there's a weight rebound. They don't know the long-term use or the harms from that long-term use. And right now, there's hundreds of lawsuits in a multi-disc litigation. expecting tens of to 20,000 just in this first kind of tranche of lawsuits for things like stomach paralysis, bowel obstruction, extremely, extremely devastating medical conditions for these. And we're just at the beginning of this. And so something we're hopefully at the end at is the trans medicine. That's how the economist just put it. And you know when it's in the economist,

the game's over. So this is the economist headline, research into trans medicine has been manipulated. And they're talking about the W-Path, World Professional Association for Transgender Health. They set these guidelines. They give an impression that their guidelines are better because they're based on so much science. But it says in this article, court documents recently released as part of the discovery process in a case involving youth gender medicine in Alabama reveal that W-Path claim was built on shaky foundations. The documents show that the organization's leaders interfered with the production of systemic reviews that it had commissioned from the Johns Hopkins University of Evidence-based Practice Center in 2018.

From early on in the contract negotiations, W-Path expressed a desire to control to control the results of the Hopkins team's work. It goes on to say an email in 2020 from W-Path figures, including its incoming president at the time Walter Bowman to the working group on guidelines made it clear what sort of science W-Path did and did not want to publish. Research must be, and they say, quote, thoroughly scrutinized and reviewed to ensure that publication does not negatively affect the provision of transgender care in the broadest sense. So what they're saying there is research should not be published if you read between the lines that's going to discourage people from

getting this care. And they're the ones that are- Well, Jeffrey, let's stop just for one second. I want to address something that you just said. It all kind of melds together. You know, you mentioned there's no long-term trial data for these weight loss drugs, right? You mentioned the flaw. studies and the things that they're doing to kind of get what they want results they want out of the studies actually Steve Middendorp reported for highwire news a couple months back about Texas suing Pfizer I believe they did this too they cherry-picked a study for a children's medication in order to make it

look more effective than it actually was how long do you think this has been going on for in the medical industry in the pharmaceutical industry it's impossible to know it's been going on perhaps since the beginning ever since the beginning ever since there's self-interest and the idea of money-making off the back of these drugs. But it showed, our work at ICANL legal has showed that these drugs, the vaccines were never tested long-term. The Hep B, the first shot given to children upon birth was tested for safety. These kids were watched for three and five days with these drugs. So long-term studies and long-term efficacy and safety studies is something that really the vaccine industry has taught

the drug industry and how to get away with. So is science self-regulating? No, it's not self-regulating. So what's happening now is it's actually going full seam ahead. It's attempting to enter this kind of new alarming phase of scientific and clinical trials. This is out of stat news. This is a publication read by, I'd say,

the mainstream medical community. And they're putting forward something called adaptive trial designs to increase clinical trial speed, safety, and effectiveness. And it's going to be run by AI. And it says, one of the most dramatic areas in which this change is occurring is the clinical trial phase of drug development, whereas traditional clinical trials follow rigid, predetermined protocols, adaptive clinical trials

use the data accumulating from participants to inform decisions made throughout the trial. What are they doing? It says this may include suggesting modifications, dropping poorly performing arms, and answering questions to optimize and enhance outcomes. What if those poorly performing arms are the arms showing that your drug might be hurting people, that there's more side effects than the placebo? Maybe you could just cancel that out to make this clinical trial a little faster. I mean, this is what we're looking at here.

This merge of science, big pharma, public health is extremely dangerous. And now we're talking about fast-tracking clinical trials with AI and basically cherry-picking results. It's super dangerous. And really, to give where we're at, the state of science right now, Eric Weinstein was interviewed by Pierce Morgan, and this is what he had to say about that very topic. Take a look. Science itself has been under probably a bigger public assault in terms of its validity as a result of the COVID pandemic than I can ever remember in my lifetime, certainly.

Is it damaging when everybody on social media suddenly becomes an epidemologist, whatever it may be, you know, any different types of science you like, or medical expert, whatever? When their views get amplified, like Terence Howard, if they're completely wrong, they get amplified, they get amplified and shared gazillions of times, as this has happened here with all of the things that he said. Is it damaging to the integrity of science when that happens? And is that a unique problem with social media, amplifying amateur scientific and medical views?

It's a very interesting question. I would think that we would begin somewhere else. The greatest damage is when we amplify pseudoscientists who happen to be official pseudoscientists. So when you take a director of NAI National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease, and you take that person's contradictory pronouncements and you amplify those, then suddenly everybody has to learn what MRNA is because they're trying to make a decision for their child and suddenly you've thrust them into advanced biology because you've thrust them into advanced biology because

You've amplified pseudoscience coming out of the National Institute of Health or the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, DITRA. The failure and the pseudoscience is coming from inside the house. The problem is when a Francis Collins and an Anthony Fauci in private emails can turn their dissenting colleagues, fully competent expert, dissident colleagues like Jay Batacharya and his colleagues at Harvard and Oxford. And overnight, they become fringe epidemiologists, right? So more or less, what you're seeing is not a failure of science.

What you're seeing is a failure of science to disavow public health. Public health is not science. Public health is an incredibly bizarre field that tries to straddle two worlds of actual truth and the noble lie. Absolutely unbelievable. Jeffrey, what do you have to say about that? before we wrap up real quick. You know, people watching may go, what can I do?

I'm not a politician. I can't change this. I'm not a doctor. I shouldn't talk about this. What people can do watching this is they can keep doing their own research as they have been doing, and they can keep speaking about it. And that has the power to change society, to change medicine, to enlighten legal minds, and to change the social structure and break medical and health narratives. That's what can be done. We saw it during COVID, and we're seeing, we're seeing, we're We're seeing a breakaway, or I should say, the power center of the media and medicine switching from the traditional universities or gate-kept areas where Tony Fauci was funding certain studies and not others.

And you're seeing this being put into the independent people, doctors, lawyers, whoever wants to get involved in this, but they're finding and talking and communicating about the facts as they find them. And this is how as a society we move forward. gets a voice. Yeah, I mean, just it's all changing. It's changing really rapidly, too. It's fantastic. There's so much good happening at the same time as we're dealing with this. I have to tell you, I appreciate and respect your work so much. You are so good at what you do. And it was an honor to interview you today, Jeffrey. Thank you. All right, Tracy. Thank you.

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They're amazing. I love them so much. So thank you. As a mom, guys, I, when I was younger, I mean, my kids are a little bit older now, but, you know, the doctors in the hospital come up and they say, oh, you should try and breastfeed, right? You should try and breastfeed. And they, they have you try once or twice, and they say, if you're having a hard time, there's a lactation consultant that can come in and help you.

And they come in and try and help you. But a lot of people, a lot of people aren't good at it. And I, knowing what we're about to find out, if I could go backwards, I would certainly make some different decisions. We were told for decades that breast milk was, I'm sorry, formula was either the equivalent of or better than breast milk. Take a look. Pet milk, the first food of millions of babies who start out life, the pet milk way. No wonder parents of pet milk babies say they're so lucky to have such a good, happy, baby. Carnation follow-up. The formula with the extra calcium active babies need. Remember, breast milk

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Enfamil's closest formula to breast milk. Nutrition inspired by breast milk. Shouldn't your baby be a cover baby? So joining us now is Zen Honeycutt from moms across America and a pediatrician, Dr. Perro, thank you guys so much for being here. Let's start here. Tell me from your perspectives what the importance of breastfeeding is for a baby. Sure, I think, Tracy, I can start with that.

First of all, thank you for having us. And breastfeeding provides not just nutrition, nutrients, protection against infection, growth factors, probiotics, right? Breast milk's not sterile. It's also good for mom, preventative against future cancers. bonding relationship between breastfeeding mom. And don't forget, if baby's in trouble, baby talks back to mom through something called baby backwash,

tells mom what baby needs, whether it needs more antibodies, whether it needs more microbes of a different kind, mom gets on board and gives it back to baby. A beautiful relationship. Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. It's a miracle, actually. When did this stop, though?

Like, when did the change happen that breastfeeding needed someone to teach, you how to mothers had a breastfeed. I mean was that always the case? Did they always need someone to come in and consult on how to breastfeed? No, no. If you look back of the history of breastfeeding, I won't go too much into it. But wet nurses were available to about 1900 for those moms who can breastfeed. Not every mom can breastfeed. I gave my baby formula. I did as well. Me too. Okay. Also breastfed though. Also breastfed, but not ideal, right? So then what happened was as formula companies took the lead with better refrigeration, better sanitation, they promoted that formula was actually even healthier than breastfeeding.

Certain companies stepped in globally, like Nestle, and then in the 1970s, about by 1971, only 21 to 24 percent of moms were breastfeeding. But then the tide shifted. And at birth now, about 81 to 83 percent of moms are now breastfeeding again. We had to deal with this decade-long backlash against ultra-processed food supplanting breast milk, which is the best food. So what made you, you ran this study, right? You ran this study. What was it that flagged you that there was something you needed to look into?

Was it the ultra-processed formula that did it, or was there something else? It was Zen Honeycutt who did it because Zen Honeycutt and moms across America did the school lunch study. When I saw the school lunch study and based on your fabulous work, Zan, 100% were positive for heavy, or now we say toxic metals. Not all metals are heavy in weight, so they're toxic metals, aluminum being one of them. But anyway, I saw that and that paired with information by a gal name Dr. Dufo, and she was an FDA whistleblower, wrote a book on Safe in Any Meal, disclosed that there was mercury in high fructose corn syrup.

The number one ingredient in most infant formula is more than 50% is, indeed, high fructose corn syrup, followed by vegetable oils. Corn syrup solids. Corn syrup solids. That's what we're feeding our babies. Can you just break down just in case people aren't aware? What is a corn syrup solid? Well, first of all, the corn is GMO. In the majority, 85 to 95% of the corn in the United States is GMO now.

And that's genetically modified. Some of it could be BT toxin, which means the pesticide is built right in. Or it could be herbicide tolerant, meaning. meaning it's sprayed with Roundup and the weeds all die, but the crop continues to live, so it will have Roundup residues on it. And that's just not something we're interested in feeding our babies from the get-go.

And as Dr. Joyne Defoe mentioned, it could be, there could be mercury used to extract, also hexane, right? Many different chemicals used to extract the corn syrup, the corn syrup from the corn. That's what she found. It's a very toxic process. So we're extremely concerned.

about the use of corn syrup solids, GMO corn syrup solids, and many other GMO soy, GMO soy and baby formula. And as Dr. Perro mentioned, when we did the fast food testing and the school lunch testing, both were 100% positive for heavy metals. And we tested over 40 samples of all of them, as well as the baby formula. And scientifically, that is a very significant number.

And for instance, when we tested the feeding tube liquid, We tested 20 samples of PEAS or feeding tube liquid. Only six were positive for glyphosate. So to have 100% positive for anything is really extremely concerning. And some of the levels of the heavy metals, especially what we found. Can we talk about the results? Yeah, let's do that. So I would love for you to tell us how you went about this,

because I think it's really fascinating. And, you know, what kinds of formulas you tested, how your methods and what you found out would be fantastic. Well, we first of all selected the most popular baby formulas, but the prerequisite was that they had corn syrup solids in it, because we were looking for potentially high levels of mercury, is what we were suspecting. So then we also selected two samples of each brand from different locations across the country. So we had them ordered from different locations like Target, Walmart, Amazon, those types of places, and had them shipped directly to the lab. nothing was opened, and the lab tested powder formulas. Do you want to mention why it was powder formulas?

Well, we were really making sure that our scientific technique was almost as flawless as we can make it to avoid scrutiny, but also to give the best science possible, because science itself, as we learned during COVID, maybe a little iffy. So we, as Zen said, looked everywhere, used powder so that water wouldn't be a negative factor because we didn't know the types of water that the companies were using, were they using distilled? Were they using tap water? We didn't know. And we couldn't control that. So we wanted as many controlled factors as we possibly could. So we didn't introduce bias into our research. And we tested mostly conventional. We did test some organic, some from other countries, I believe

Australia and Holland. And we tested the ones that were basically the most popular. So the results were really disturbing. And 100% positive for heavy metals. We were so sad to see that. We really wanted to find brands that we could celebrate and recommend. But this was very concerning. The 100% had lead and aluminum in the samples. And 80% had levels of lead that were higher than what the FDA allows and recommends for what's allowed in drinking water. And 57% had levels of arsenic in them. 55% had mercury and 35% had cadmium. And these are neurotoxic and carcinogenic chemicals, I mean, heavy metals and toxic metals. And you know, like Jeffrey was talking about the study, you know, not having long-term safety

data. In this case, they haven't even run studies to see what would happen if someone was exposed to all of those. Tracy, you nailed one of the most, the most important points. What we know is that these toxic metals are synergistic. So if you just had one in there, like the aluminum, which was a thousand times higher than all the other metals. parts per billion. In our worst. Astronomical levels. Which is awful. But there are synergistic

effects and I would be remiss if I didn't mention our dear friend and colleague, Dr. Stephanie Seneff, wrote a paper about this and is involved with this study as we are the new MDs, mom's docs and scientists. And in a paper that she wrote and she showed that she showed that when heavy metals were combined, like lead, like chamium and mercury, the toxicity was exponentially higher. I couldn't find one paper that looked at all five of these toxic metals. They are all neurologically damaging, all five of them. And at least six of our formulas were positive for five. There was one neurologic-based formula that was positive for four. And goat milk. Goat milk formula. Oh, the goat milk one is the one that had 41,000 parts per billion of aluminum.

And we don't know what is going on there. We suspect there's a couple different things. We suspect that there could be aluminum in the machinery that grinds it up. However, that same company also had an organic brand and that one only had 13 parts per billion of aluminum. So then that leads more towards the ingredients and the ingredients must be coming from animals that have either eaten aluminum, could be sprayed. You know, geoengineering, aluminum is used in that, could be coming down on the ground and being sprayed there. There could be aluminum in the vaccines that the animals are receiving. We just, we simply don't know. And more testing needs to be done. If I were the head of the FDA, there would be all kinds of testing being done right now on baby formula to find out why there are

such astronomical levels of aluminum and baby formula. You know, that's my next question for you guys. Either one of you can answer or both. Does the FDA regulate baby formula or just, yeah, please tell us. Well, Tracy, we took a deep dive and looking at that because it's like, well, what is the role of the FDA's protection of our babies? And indeed, they do regulate baby formula. They're looking at macronutrients, proteins, fats, carbohydrates.

They're looking at making sure they're clean. We had those two outbreaks of chronobacter infections and literally form. formula stopping in 2022 and as recently May, I think it was April of May of 2024, there was a formula shortage in 2022. So they are regulating, but the companies themselves are not looking at toxicants, these heavy metals, but now the FDA does something called the Total Diet Study. They've been doing this since 1962 looking for mostly radioactive substances. So they published their last report in 2022 looking at 910 foods.

They included four infant formulas in that total diet study. And we talked about it with the FDA four. Two of the four were positive for heavy metals and uranium. Uranium. Uranium, indeed. And so we said, so what kind of action items happened from that? Well, not much. So Zenn and others organized a little trip to D.C.

And we talked to the FDA about what we found just two months ago, and they did act. They did go to Congress saying, hey, you know, we need to act on this because we need to act on this, because there is no safe level of heavy metal or toxic metals in infant formula, zero for lead. I mean, that is what the EPA says, the CDC says, the FDA says. There is no safe level so that these formulas are so contaminated should have every parent, every mom, every mama bear up in arms. Well, so now we are, right? I am. I am. My kids are older, but, you know, there's a lot of women out there that have young kids. What are they even supposed to do knowing this? Like, how do you, if you're not breastfeeding,

or let's say you're seven or eight months in and you can't breastfeed anymore, right? Because you gave that, you didn't keep it going. What are you supposed to do now? Like, how do you tackle this? Well, there's a couple things they can do. Some of the formulas did test better, and we can get into that. Yeah.

But there are things to improve heavy metal clearance from babies. And some of the things that these moms can do, and dads, dads are in the loop. One is ensure adequate metal nutrients, like zinc, right? Zinc is very important, like iron, like vitamin D. Probiotics. There are beneficial microbes that can offset heavy metals,

certain strains of lactobacillides, co-lactobacillus remnosis, and that formula companies or parents can add these probiotics in themselves, and they can break down heavy metals. It's amazing that parents need Ph.D. in heavy metal toxicology to feed their baby. It's startling to me that I'm even having this conversation.

Like, it just doesn't seem real. Like we really need to discuss poise, harming our babies by feeding them formula. And these companies never thought to look for this stuff or didn't know or, you know. Some are looking. There was baby food testing done by Healthy Baby's Bright Future and Consumers Reports a couple years ago. And it was revealed that the companies tested. They knew the heavy metals were in baby food and they sold them anyway.

Oh my gosh. So they have these are $85 tests, Tracy. These are not expensive. This is called quality control. this needs to be put in place. And it is ridiculous. You asked about the FDA regulating baby formula. They're not regulating heavy metals in any food except for applesauce, which is lead. They're giving guidelines for baby food now. It's not even a regulation yet. There's a baby food safety act, which we can talk about later, but there's no regulation in place yet. And candy, because they

found lead in candy. The FDA is not regulating our food for heavy metals. One would wonder, what are they doing? This is ridiculous. How they choose to enforce it. their regulation or regulate at all. Like some things like important like this, they completely ignore and other things like bodily autonomy, they have, you know, a lot to say about. Or homeopathic medicine, right? Let's regulate the heck out of it. Did we touch a nerve with this industry? This is at least a $1.4 billion industry. It's probably even higher than that run by four major formula producers. So did we touch a lobbying nerve? I don't know. But the fact that there are these heavy metals that are toxic for babies in an ultra-processed

Remember, infant formula is doing its best to mimic breast milk, but it's an ultra-processed food. And the last time I checked, I counted almost over 20 different toxic ingredients in Infant Formula. And organic tested better, but still not as great. Just because it doesn't have pesticides doesn't mean it doesn't have heavy metals, which is interesting because heavy metals are in pesticides. The leading insecticide is aluminum phosphide in insecticide. So there was aluminum in the pesticides.

in the pesticides, they're in the fertilizers. So we know it's a non-organic formula, so organic formula is still a best bet, but they had toxic metals. That was so disappointing. And you guys are doing a lot of other stuff before we get into that stuff. I just, where can people find this?

If they wanna go and read this for themselves, what website can they go to? GMOScience.org and moms across America.org, and we do have recommendations there. And one other thing I wanna say about feeding your child baby formula is that I think lot of us are just ingrained with the idea with fear. I mean, because we love our babies and we want them to be, you know, chubby and happy. And we kind of doubt ourselves. We question

whether or not we're doing good jobs as mothers. And we think, I need to make more milk to feed my baby. My baby's crying because he's hungry. You know, sometimes it's not the case. Sometimes it's gas. Sometimes it's, you know, diaper needs to be changed. But we just automatically go towards maybe my body isn't making enough milk and I need to feed my baby formula. When the fact is that a baby's stomach, when the baby's born, the stomach is only the size of a cherry. And when it's a month old, only the size of an egg. And so oftentimes, our body is making

the exact amount of milk that our baby needs, and we actually don't need formula. So I'm gonna say something shocking, maybe we just don't even need to buy formula. Well, yeah, yeah, I agree. You know, that was a myth that I, I didn't even know that until you guys just told me. Like, nobody said that.

No doctor or, you know, lactation consultant came in and said, don't worry, your baby's stomach is this big. If you're only getting or you're only producing a little bit, it's okay. Like I was thinking I'm starving my child, like that not knowing any better. So thank goodness for you guys, because now maybe we can stave this off a little bit,

but you developed a way to rate this for people, or at least give them a little bit of peace of mind. How did that work out? Oh gosh, lots of sleep this nights. I agonized over those results. It was so painful. I went over them so many times. It took me a week, they're like, Michelle, what's up?

Like, get out there, like, what's your recommendation? I didn't like any of them. I'm going to be honest. I didn't want to recommend, but some look better than others, and we try to pick formulas that are easily accessible. So can I say the name's on the air? Can we say? I think so.

Okay. Well, it's on our websites. So Kirkland formula, Costco, is like the number one purchase of organic food in the U.S., I believe. Their formula look pretty darn good. They're pro-care non-GMO. And so my request to Costco, if you're listening, is to go organic. There was another one that looked pretty good, and that Simaac. Can I mention, can I mention first about Costco?

We're happy about Costco because Casso took Roundup off their shelves when we petitioned them to remove Roundup. That was surprising to me too. Really happy about that, and we're happy that they are the number one seller of organic food in the country. By the way, when you eat organic, you're avoiding glyphosate. Glyphosate chelates those heavy metals and minerals. the minerals that you just mentioned that people need to have in order to balance out the heavy metal load. So glyphosate will chelate those metals. Glyphosate will also increase the harmful impact of other toxic chemicals.

When you think keylate, what do you mean just in case someone out there are? Grab onto and make unavailable. So like sort of like a pipe cleaner. That's how it was first identified. Keylate means claw in Greek. So literally glyphosate and aluminum are synergistic. So you have thousand times higher numbers of aluminum than the other metals. Not all metals are equally toxic.

But aluminum in that amount, it's toxic. So glyphaseid aluminum, synergistic, shown by our colleague, Dr. Seneff. It crosses the blood-brain barrier in six different ways. You have to appreciate that babies are born with a leaky gut and a leaky brain. So these metals cross over. What makes the babies no longer have leaky gut is colostrum. Colostrum is the first thing in the breast milk. It's really good, full of nutrients, full of growth factors, full of antibodies.

As a matter of fact, we as integrated practitioners, when we treat people with gut, disorders we give them bovine colostrum imagine if we put colostrum in infant formulas that would organic colostrum that would be a fix we could also use a two milk by the way so here are some ways that what we can do to improve the quality of form I know I kind of went off target there a little bit but I sorry I needed to know what that meant no no but glyphosate back to aluminum yes and it binds all the minerals so the babies are receiving less minerals if there's glyph- and we know glyphosates in the formulas because they're not

organic we didn't test on this study because we just focused on the toxic metals but glyphosate binds up not just the toxic metals it binds up zinc magnesium copper calcium all those beneficial minerals no zinc no brain function yeah so eating organic and then the brands the three top brands that you mentioned that were the top scoring so it was Kirkland Procare it was simelax sensitive and also of the element mental formulas which offer babies who are sensitive. There's one called pure amino.

Earth's best also look pretty good, but I didn't put it up super high because they use hexane, which is a solvent to extract something called DHA. Why can't we just... Why are we... Why is this happening? Tracy, welcome to our world. But why we were agonizing over this is and to figure out, is this the best we can do? The companies can fix this using advanced filtration techniques, reverse osmosis, carbon

infiltration before they process the formulas. We wrote it up. It's on my website. It's in the articles. We wrote how they fix it. So they can fix it. And keep in mind, we only tested 20 brands out of maybe 50 that are out there. So this is not an all-inclusive, you know, survey of what's going on. We need a couple million dollars a year just to actually do a portion of what the FDA should be doing. But we would like to test more. We would like to have it to be a more comprehensive study. Last question. Before we move on to the other amazing work that you guys are doing, how if I'm a mom and I see this now I'm looking around it's not like I can pick up my box my little box of formula look at the back and see mercury aluminum you know I'm going out now like I can't buy this test myself it almost seems like you know what can they do is there a way to make your own formula somehow well you know according to the FDA we're not supposed to making our our own formula

Women have done it for years. However, there are websites that folks can go to, like nourishing traditions, and Western A Price Foundation has some great formulas on how to make your own for that special mom. You have to be really careful making your own formula, but people can access that information. Awesome. So, and get help breastfeeding.

Lalecée League is very supportive. Even if you're having a really difficult time, I had the most difficult time the first time. You can get coaching and support, and eventually you get through it. the first month or so might be really difficult but I would just really encourage people to get support and to breastfeed even Coco the gorilla when she first breastfed she needed to watch a video and how to do it it's not yeah it's not

so intuitive that that's it you'd think but eat or get eat organic while you're breastfeeding yeah what you put in your body your baby is getting you know that's that's another thing that moms need to be cognizant of okay thank you for that that's wildly beneficial information for everyone but there's some other things going on why don't you tell us what else you're working on and terms of testing and information. Yes, well, first of all, also, I also want to mention this is,

we're very glad that you're reporting on this because your previous episode, what you talked about, you know, really links to, it touches upon mental health issues in America, and heavy metals and pesticides and toxins, glyphosate has been shown to be a neurotoxin. And so what we're talking about, we all care about the future of America.

We are all on pins and needles right now with what's going on in the world. And I have to say one of the biggest contributing of mental health in America is the toxicants in the food supply. So that's why moms across America for the past 12 years has been focusing on the food supply and testing. And we recently decided to also test gluten-free food. You know, I mentioned we've tested school lunches and fast food, cereal, baby formula.

We've got more testing down the pike. But we recently tested gluten-free food because so many people have so many problems with their gut right now. And they're telling us, you know, Zan, we've been eating organic food and gluten-free food for 10 years now, but I still have anxiety. I still have leaky gut. I still have, you know, depression or mental illness or, you know, something going on in my family. Why is this happening? And what we suspected was that because glyphosate is sprayed as a drying agent on crops, they may call it a pre-harvest weed killer, but that's a euphemism for a drying

agent. What it does is it dries the whole crop out, like wheat or peas or beans or legumes or oats, and then they can harvest that crop much more quickly. So though a lot of the ingredients that are sprayed with glyphosate as a drying agent are in gluten-free food, such as lentils, oats, corn, soy, peas, beans. And so we tested 46 samples of gluten-free food, and unfortunately, we found that 44 out of 46 of them were positive for glyphosate. And the problem with this is, and our friend Nancy Swanson and Stephanie Seneff have a chart. It's also on our website to show that the rise of ciliac, which is people who cannot eat any wheat at all, is so closely correlate with the spraying of glyphosate on crops, that there's a very strong suggestion there

that glyphosate could be contributing to the very problem, you know, syliac and gluten intolerance that then drives people to eat gluten-free food, but yet the gluten-free food, 44 out of 46 of the samples we tested, had glyphosate on them. This is really tricky for people who are gluten-in-tolerant and have celiac. You think you're gonna be helping yourself, right? Any kind of autoimmune disease, you know, microbiome deficiency or something, you're trying to make your body well, you're trying to make your immune system well, so you're going out and buying the things that you think will do that and you're not getting anywhere, but

it's telling you, well, it must not be a gluten allergy that I have then, it must be something else, or I guess I'm just stuck this way, constantly inflamed or feeling terrible. But in reality, it's the actual things you're eating. what you're putting in your body. So what do you do with this information now? Well, we have, we do want to say that we, you know, encourage people to eat organic and gluten-free. The two samples that did not have gluten in them, which were Edward and Sons, rice crackers, and lesser-evil popcorn were organic, and they were not detectable for glyphosate, so we're really appreciative about that. And there were a little bit of contamination in a few of the other, I think there were three other

organic products that were organic and gluten-free. But for the most part, as Michelle mentioned, organic is the best option for. gluten-free foods. We also found that, and by the way, glyphosate was the highest of the 237 pesticides that we tested for. Glyphosate was the highest, most prevalent. 2-4D was the next most present, and that is what is in Agent Orange. And I'm sure Michelle and I could talk about that. How does this happen? They're spraying it on the crops, Tracy. Agent Orange? Agent Orange?

Oh, yes. It's a form of... Because of weed resistance to glyphosate. So 75% of the weeds in the U.S. are now resistant to glyphosate. I wonder why. So they up their game, this is the intelligence of Big Ag, up their game, spraying 2-4D, which doesn't stay on the crops. It drifts, killing all the crops around it. And as then said, part of Agent Orange, which literally decimated our soldiers, our vets,

a shout-out to vets who are so sick right now, not to mention children in Vietnam. Hundreds of thousands of children. It's like an untold problem of really sick kids in Vietnam from Agent Orange. So, you know, we have to remember that we did in the baby formula, we have found, then found it, found glyphosate. So glyphosate, we said, binds the minerals. It's also an antibiotic. So it wipes out the microbiome, those beneficial microbes. So you're eating an antibiotic with every bite.

Yeah, yeah, and an endocrine disruptor and a carcinogen, and it causes nervous system damage. It causes neurological damage. It's been shown to kill sperm, and it androgynizes baby girl. It's been shown to lengthen the distance between the anus and the genitals, which causes endrogenization in baby girls. So glyphosate, this is the most widely used herbicide in the world, 280 million pounds a year in the United States. And the highest level that we found of glyphosate was in panza pasta.

We found over 2,800 parts per billion on this chickpea pasta, which touted itself as a low glyphosate pasta because they were testing and monitoring for glyphosate. That's what they told one of our supporters before. before we even did the testing, and we tagged it a low glyphosate pasta, and then it came back to be the highest level. Now, keep in mind that 2,800 parts per billion is the highest number ever recorded by the lab that we used in human foods. It is, however, lower than what the FDA allows. The FDA allows 5,000 parts per billion of glyphosate or the EPA set that level in food. So they will claim that this is a safe level. They also did say that the glyphiophysia

is water soluble, so it will, they didn't say it will cook off, but it would have to be measured, you know, in a cooked way. So they didn't offer us any evidence of that. And so we actually went and tested the same exact box ourselves. And we just got the results back today. We haven't published them that. Maybe it'll be up on our website right now. But we did test, and we were very surprised because we have been told that glyphosate does not wash, dry, or cook off. It goes into the cells of the plant. It goes into the crops, and it does not wash, dry, or off. But what we found was that it does partially cook off. The levels went from over 2,000 parts per billion down to 161 parts per billion. So we're very relieved to see that there is

some cooking off. We were like, great, it does cook off a little bit. However, 161 parts per billion is still way above the 0.1 parts per billion that scientists like Michael Antenew that we both know showed causes and contribute to liver disease and liver damage. And so anybody who says that a product with any level of glyphosate in it is safe is actually not looking at independent science. They're not, they are being misleading. So we're very concerned about these levels of glyphosate in the food supply and we're very concerned about the brainwashing that's going on, especially on social media, saying, oh, you could eat 20 pounds of this pasta and still have it be safe. That is very concerning because the levels that the FDA are using are given

to them by the industry, by companies like Monsanto, Dowd-Dupont-Barre. They're telling them, this is what the level should be because this is what we're finding out in the field. They're not based on health and safety. It's the same way that they, you know, adjust lab values when you're doing blood work. They say, what's the general public experiencing? Okay, let's just shift this around to make it an average. And that doesn't mean you're healthy or not health. It means that you're in the average of Americans. And I would argue, given what we're talking about today, the majority of Americans aren't really actually healthy. So if you look at this liver issue, just to talk about that for a second, one in three Americans

now has something called non-alcoholic fatty liver or maffled. So this liver thing and it's silent, it's quiet, which can progress to inflame liver to eventually cirrhosis. So people are walking around eating this stuff every day. It's in 95% of American school lunches that Zen tested in moms across America was 95.3. So it's in their food. Our kids are eating it and it's causing our kids are also having. having liver disease and particularly in obese children.

So this is a liver disaster among other things. Your liver is your major organ of detoxification. So love your liver. Yeah. Yeah. And we also found gluten, very high levels of gluten in Trader Joe's Almost Everything bagel. This is a gluten-free bagel and it had over 200 parts per million of gluten in it. And according to the FDA, a gluten-free product is not supposed to have more than 20

parts per million. So we are very concerned about people who might be eating these Trader Joe's almost everything bagels. We're concerned about the other products that might be, you know, from the same sort of dough, you know, that Trader Joe's is providing. And I love Trader Joe's. So I was really upset about this information. Also, Simple Mills had two products that had above 20 parts per million of gluten and made good, it was a cookie that had over 20 parts per million of gluten. So these products legally should be removed from the shelves, and we have not heard back from the FDA about what's going to be happening about that. But if anybody has a loved one with celiac, it's especially important that they learn that actually over 10 parts per million,

and there were a few other products that tested over 10 parts per million of gluten. They, you know, I would advise that, I mean, I'm not a doctor, I can't advise, but anybody with celiacs might want to read our article and see the test results. Yeah, so let's talk about that now. Where can people? go if they want to find information about what you're doing, support the work that you're doing out there. I mean, I know I wish I would have found you back when my kids were younger and would have known some of this stuff. And thank you for your passion, both of you, and trying to help us, be more healthy, to give us this information. What's the best place to find you guys?

Yeah, so for parents, I would rather they head to their kitchens and cook unprocessed food for the kids before they read my material. Yes. But when time permits, once they finish cooking their whole foods meal, that's organic or general, Then if they go to my website, I co-founded it. I'm now CEO gmo science.org. And I have a book coming out, second book, Making Our Children Well, with practical tips for parents because all I'm focused on now is how to teach parents

how to do what I do before I become compost. That's my goal. But her first book is called What's Making Our Children Sick. And it is a must read. So that is really definitely check that book out. And I also want to mention Stephanie Senev's book, who's our partner, who's our partner in the new MDs.

Her book is called Toxic Legacy. So good. And you can also read my story and a little bit about the food supply. My book is called Unstoppable. That's available on Amazon. And you can go to Moms Across America.org. We have a Monday night Moms Connect call that we invite people to join us.

It's not a show. It's a discussion. And we have the new MDs every month. Our next one is going to be discussing censorship and propaganda and how that affects health. With Aaron Siri. With our favorite lawyer, Aaron Siri. Oh, we love Aaron.

Especially here. He's wonderful, brilliant. So brilliant. That's awesome. That's going to be a good show. Lucky us, right? Yes. Yeah, definitely check that out.

There's a ton of information available for folks. I've done some perusing. I've done a little perusing myself. You are. You're good CSI, you're Tracy. Thank you. And we have all the science that we just mentioned, scientific studies on moms across America.org underneath data.

We want to mention we love the science. We are not anti-science. And we invite anybody who questions our science to please raise the money and do the testing yourselves thank you both so much thank you so much everybody make sure you go and check out all this information send it to people you know make sure they get it in front of them make sure that they use it um i wanted everybody to take a watch of of something i i scrolled i scrolled by and stopped on uh on my social media travels take a look at this really hungry very hungry you have the right place i don't have my wallet

on me though today you don't do anything i could have for like a buck or two or no Okay, something. No, no, no, no, I don't want to be like that. No, no, no, I'm sharing my culture. I can cook all day, but I probably won't eat. I just want to see out of it before eating me out of me. This is the best meat pie I think I've ever had. Thank you.

And you made these? I made it. I realize I actually have my wallet on me, so I want to pay you. It's just a pie. You just want to go by $1,000 cash. Oh, damn. Oh, God. For you.

You're going to help me. Oh my God. Just for you. Thank you, Zah. You've got three more years left at college, right? About four. Okay, hear me out. Okay.

I want you to keep in touch with me. Okay. I'll give you my email address because I want to finance those next four years of college personally and help you. Okay, do it for you. And keep that dream alive one day of owning your bakery. And then when your bakery's open, all I want back is a loaf of bread. Good job. Thank you for more.

Well done. You said you must do it. Oh, okay. Yes. So I've worked my students create a little bit of this. Here, this will show it. It's just a long strap and it's called the hugger. Oh, you can give them a hug. Oh, my God.

That's those way. Where you're going? Oh. Oh. Oh, my hot hot dogs. What she's selling the hot dogs for, though, bro? Five bucks for a hot dog? Can you make me 30 of them?

You have 30 of them? You have 30 hot dogs? Nine hot dogs? How many polishes do you have? And that's everything that you got? Ah, okay. Just give me what you have. I'll buy what you have.

How old are you, bro? 14. You're working at 14? Why are you working, man? What you're saving up for? That's what's up, man. Keep hustling, okay? All right.

How often do you work? I work. I work. Then after work, oh, cool. You're busy, man. But I like to do. I like me and good.

You like it? Yeah. Okay, your total is 136. 52. Okay. Thank you. Wonderful best day. You too.

Thank you. Got something for you, bro. This is for your, uh, somewhere close. Thank you. Of course, buddy. I got fired. Oh, me too. You got fired?

Three days ago. I just got fired five minutes ago. Pizza, place? Pizza, pizza. What's your name? I'm Zach. I can feel. I can relate, man.

I've been there. It could be one dog. close but there's another one is opening. I get you coffee. Are you sure? Why are you helping me? I've been there before. If you do good, God will take you out of you. Where you from? Kenya. I really appreciate that. I didn't actually lose my job today. I got you a pizza though. It's empty. You got to open it. It doesn't feel as much. Oh my goodness, are you kidding me? $1,000 cash. Is that for me? For you? Oh my goodness. What are you doing? Paying it forward like you did to me. My God.

Oh, you man. Gee! Love you, bro. What are you going to use it for? I'll just do tomorrow. Can I give you $100? Do you want to pay it forward to the next person with me? I swear to me actually.

They just surprised me with some bucks. So, yeah, look it forward. Yeah, be nice. What's your message to the world? You know what? Be kind in any way that you can, in your options, your words. Oh, that's Mars. To take your own.

That is humanity. That is humanity. We were prepping for the show and I wanted to find some sort of a way to end this on an optimistic, positive, loving note. Given all the chaos that's going on in the world right now, all around us, it's so easy to be fearful, to be sad, to be unsure. And that right there, what we just watched on that screen, that is humanity. That is what we should all be doing, every single day. It's contagious. You can watch it. It's absolutely contagious. So there's a moment for unity in all this chaos. There's a moment for all of us right now, no matter what politics we ascribe to or where we sit or what we've been told in the past. This is a very special time in our history where we can be like the people we just watched on that video. We can smile a little extra wide at somebody today, tell them that they look nice, hold the door open for somebody start a coffee line buy someone's coffee behind you give someone a hug just take a minute to feel some joy it has been in my absolute honor to be with all of you guys today thank you so

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