The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 387: FENTANYL: MAN-MADE EPIDEMIC

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

Del Addresses A Massive Shift as Medical Freedom is on Everyone’s Mind; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on the growing burden of undocumented immigrants, mosquito lockdown in Massachusetts, and Zuckerberg Confesses to Censorship Collusion with Biden Administration; ICAN-backed Lawsuit forces CDC to Unblock X accounts in win for First Amendment; The Tragic Toll of the Fentanyl Crisis in America.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. Just want to talk about something that many of you that are brand new to watching the show probably don't know, which is this show is just an educational program for a non-prone. That nonprofit, we started back in the end of 2016. In early 2017, we realized that this nonprofit was winning lawsuits against government agencies,

but if a lawsuit wins in the forest and no one is there to hear it, did it really happen? And thus, the Highwire was born. At the heart of I-Can, and the Highwire is our mission statement which is dedicated to eradicating man-made disease. There's so much we've been able to do with this nonprofit. It's incredible. For those of you that have been donating, I want to thank you for all of your support.

But there's some things we can't do. Every once in a while, there's topics that we cannot talk about because it gets outside of what's allowed for a nonprofit to discuss. Sometimes it's frustrating, but we look at all the great good that we've done. I want to say, as I sit here today, I want you to think about and look around you, look at the world that you're living in, look at the news and everything that's having, and everything is happening and ask yourself, are we actually making a difference? I believe if you look right now, you will see that the conversations that I can is wanted to have happen, which is a discussion about

transparency in science, about regulatory agencies doing what they're supposed to do, about the health of our children, the health of this country, the health of the world, all of the toxic chemicals that are poisoning us and causing man-made disease are now front and center in the conversations that we're all having. Like never before, I can, celebrates the fact that the conversation is growing. People are waking up and because of you sharing your story, sharing this experience with everyone you know, real change is happening. We are very excited about the world that we're living in.

I've said it from the beginning. You can be upset and can sit there and moan about what's all going on or you can rise up, recognize that I was born for this. For this moment we are alive. And we are going to continue celebrating that on the high wire. I have a huge show coming up. We're going to get really deep into the fentanyl issue. Ben Westhoff is going to be in studio to talk about his book, fentanyl, Inc.

and what he's discovered around the world in one of the biggest health crises we've ever seen in the United States of America. I'm also going to sit down with a family that's very close to us that's going to share their story that every parent and every teenager should see. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey, what's going on in this crazy circus we're living in now? Well, Del, when you're talking about health and chronic disease and the ability to be healthy and stay healthy, there's several factors that are involved in that. And one of them is really the ability to buy healthy food or even grow it if you have the land. And also just to be able to house yourself as a starting point.

And in 2024, Americans were greeted to this headline from NPR. from NPR. Housing is now unaffordable for a record half of all U.S. renters study fines. And so luckily, states are doing something about this. And this conversation, obviously, you know, why are these houses unaffordable? Why can't people get housing? Well, we have storing interest rates. It makes people, we have a whole generation of people that are having a hard time even affording a house. We just came off the COVID pandemic response that really it shunted our economic engine in the United States. But a part of this conversation has to be looked at too,

which is kind of the unchecked migration in the United States. You have a lot more people here. It's a simple equation. And so states are doing something about this. In Oregon, we have Hacienda. This is a community development program. And they made this headline recently. First-time homebuyers in Oregon get $30,000 grant.

But American citizens aren't eligible. And what are they talking about? Well, Hacienda put out on their social media these two flyers, And we're going to take a look at these really quick. One of them says, here's the fire, $30,000, Oregon residents, conditions, only for people who are not American citizens. For example, and then it goes into the list of that. And then you go to the second fire, the second page of this fire, and under the category eligible citizenship statuses, non-U.S. Citizens, undocumented persons, docker recipients,

refugees, immigrants, and on and on it goes. Well, this caused a lot of people that kind of pump the brakes and go, wait a minute, we're in the middle of a housing crisis. What's going on here? So the company had to apologize, and this is what they said. So it sparked outrage this past week. Company apologizes, and the CEO said this, quote, a graphic circulated on social media mistakenly specifies a program is only for people who are not American citizens. Ernesto Fonseca, the CEO of Hacienda, told Newsweek, this was an error made by a social media consultant, and it's not true.

It should have been caught before being released. program is for every Oregonian and Hacian apologize for any confusion this may have caused. I mean, it's almost like it was a typo. Can we pull up, though, that flyer just one more time? I mean, it clearly was much more than a typo when you find out only for people who are not American citizens. It's a lot of words to accidentally type and then go into even more detail. You know, for example, ITIN holders, doctor recipient, refugees, assailies, green card holders, amongst others. So are we saying that that was never a part of the conversation with this social media company they were using? I mean, I get it. Mistakes happen, but boy, that one is like the size of a

freight train. Right. So, you know, people can look at that and go, well, you know, that's a community development program in some state up there in the West. But unfortunately, it's starting to happen. You're seeing this in other states as well. In California, they actually have a bill that's racing through the Senate. This is AB 1840. And political made this headline recently. California Dems want to help undocumented immigrants by homes during presidential race. It says a first in the nation.

California proposal could make undocumented immigrants eligible for up to $150,000 in state-supported home loans, just as immigration has become an incinerary topic in the presidential election. Well, just as of yesterday, that has passed the Senate. Here's the headline on that. and you're going to see this now sent back to the assembly for a final vote. And then at that point, if it does pass, you're going to get the approval and the signature by Governor Gavin Newsom, who has not signaled he would sign this, but California does have the largest

population of immigrants in the United States. So we have this conversation really racing head and head with the political election coming up, and it's pretty interesting. And here in Massachusetts, where I'm broadcasting from, there's a Boston government, globe investigation, it's actually a really thorough investigation. It made this headline, how Massachusetts spent nearly one billion sheltering homeless families and migrants. It says in the scramble to accommodate thousands of migrant families, the Healy administration has approved scores of hastily arranged contracts with little transparency, sometimes handing out

multi-million dollar deals without competitive bids, a globe review of contracts found. I mean, this just sting. I mean, I feel like I'm watching a movie. This is the type of money laundering that you watch in movies where somehow a mob deal, a housing deal, and some corrupt politicians are just moving, as they're saying, millions if not billions of dollars. I mean, think about that California bill. I mean, how many undocumented workers are in California at $150,000 a pop? I mean, I thought, I mean, you just want to drive the nation into debt. I mean, it's unbelievable while you're average citizen, hardworking citizen right now,

they're not being offered $150. I don't think that's a good idea. Handing out money like that is how you get inflation. But we're saying they're literally opening the borders, wide open. Arguments between 10 and 20 million people have come across, and now we're going to give each one of them $150,000 to buy a house. Drive up housing costs because we're already having limited supply. I mean, again, do we have like third graders running the country right now?

it's absolutely insane that something like that can pass the house. Sorry, I mean, I told you, we got a lot to get to. I said, Jeffrey, we've got to move through this quickly. I'm not going to interrupt you, but my God. And what the Globe found with these contracts is the transparency wasn't there. It's very secretive. In fact, they're overtaking hotels in cities all over the state and flipping those to house these families.

But the people that are running the hotels, people that work in the hotels, they're under gag orders. They can't talk to the media. They can talk to anybody about this. So this is really interesting. Yeah, no one wants to hear that, you know, the Hilton is making more money housing migrants than bringing in, you know, professional, you know, corporate, you know, working class. I mean, it's, you know they're making more money.

It's the only reason you would let your hotel be subject to that. So we're paying above your average cost of a hotel room for illegal immigrants. And in the United States, you have New York and Massachusetts, which have a right to house laws various laws in their books. So you're seeing that in these states. And in New York, this is one of the headlines being made from there. Migrants monthly payment in New York City is higher than veterans' compensation. So this really puts a fine point on this. It says migrants coming to New York City are being given prepaid debit cards that in certain cases, like food assistance, dwarf the amounts provided to families of legal status. For example, the average family of four's

monthly supplemental nutrition assistance program SNAP payment is $713. But migrant families of four receive $1,400 a month. Then it goes on, it says that total is also higher than military veterans disability compensation, a veteran who has a 50% disability rating, and a spouse and one child receives $1,255.16 once every four weeks, according to the U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs. So we have this off balance here, and the New York Post just posted this headline today, how the migrant crisis drained $150 billion from taxpayers in a single year. And the post This was from a study from an organization called Fair. It's a nonpartisan organization.

And they looked at really a lot of the things in this. So normally when it looks at funding for migrants, it's emergency funds, emergency payments, emergency housing. But they looked at medical care, policing, a lot bigger representative to get like a true estimated cost. And this is one of the graphics that the post posted from their study. And you can see here, California is that the,

the top, way at the top, with over $30 billion paid. This is in 2023. It's 13.4 billion in Texas for you guys, New York, $9.9 billion and so on. And so, you know, it's hard not to think that this isn't, this isn't something that was a system that's purposeful and that's working to become more efficient when you look at this. These don't look like accidents. When you're seeing that type of money dedicated by several states, it just seems. seems like we have to start asking the bigger questions here. And looking at these numbers, this is, this can hopefully take any type of political charge out of this conversation and just look at how people are being treated in the country

that need help, homeless people, veterans, and how people are being treated that do not have allegiance to this country that come in and are also receiving assistance. Regardless where you stand, if you do have a house and you do live in certain counties in Massachusetts, you're experiencing kind of a little bit of a flashback from the COVID days. What am I talking about? Take a look. All right. Oxford, Massachusetts and three neighboring towns have a reason for concern. There's some concern now in a part of Massachusetts after a man tested positive for AAA last week.

The new plan to prevent the spread of the deadly disease. Oxford officials have approved a recommendation to issue a 6 p.m. curfew. Last week in Oxford, man in his 80s tested positive for AAA, the first such case since 20. Though it is rare, AAA is a very serious and potentially fatal disease that can affect people of all ages. It usually spreads to humans through the bite of an infected mosquito. We don't want to see another human case of AAA this year. One is already too many. The State Department of Health says people in critical areas should avoid outside activities at night.

We really want people to be thoughtful about when they time their outdoor activities. mosquito activity, feeding activity really peaks at dusk and dawn. The rare but dangerous disease can cause swelling in the brain. There's no treatment and anyone can get infected. The death rate is as high as 30%. Even if you do survive, usually there are long-term significant health impacts, neurological impacts. The school district will be complying with this plan.

So practices may end early or even be moved indoors. about 30% of patients who contract Tripoli do not survive. So that number sounds inflated to me. 30% of people die from it. I mean, if you only have one death, and you know, I just don't even, how do they come to that sort of conclusion? Yeah, and looking across the headlines here,

I mean, even the CDC says that some people don't even show signs of the illness, some people have mild illness, some people have fever, chills, and then, you know, other people move on to more serious. complications. I mean to say 30% death rate, it should be like screaming fire in a crowded room. I mean, that's an insane number. Show me some evidence behind that. Exactly. So it's really reckless reporting anyway. Yeah. And what are we talking about? Triple E. It's not a new W.WF wrestler. It's Eastern equine encephalitis. It's a mosquito-borne illness, as you've heard. And Oxford, Massachusetts, their Board of Health has, they've implemented

of what's called a voluntary curfew at dusk and dawn. But what's happening is the schools are all signing on to that. So whether individual citizens do it or not, but the schools are schools are schools, schools, sports are starting right now. So that highly impacts school sports. So you have a mother that has put up a, basically a petition, if anybody wants to go there and support that and sign that. Urge Oxford, Massachusetts Board of Health to maintain open access to town

fields for youth sports. This is in the, you know, again, the hangover of the COVID pandemic, And a lot of the reporting says, geez, I don't know why. Because this happens on the East Coast here every once in a while. It happened in 2012, 2019, 2020. And they said, we never really received any pushback when we did it then, but we're in a different time now. And we look at the CDC. Just to give me an idea, is this thing spreading like bird flu or monkeypox or COVID?

Here's the CDC's own numbers. We have how many cases? Four. New Jersey, Vermont, Massachusetts, Wisconsin, and now New Hampshire. That's the fifth case. that is being reported. It's not updated here because they haven't updated yet at the CDC. But you can see it's very isolated to the northeast United States. This isn't something that's sweeping across the U.S. and everyone should be concerned about. But total of five cases,

if you had that new New Hampshire. There was a death in New Hampshire, a 41-year-old man, tragically. And five cases, how many million people in these states alone or just the United States in general? So to say rare is not even not even getting close to what we're talking about here. But the bigger, bigger problem here, maybe, or issue we're going to call it, is the Massachusetts government, Mass.gov, released this statement, a press release. State officials announced plans to spray for mosquitoes in sections of Worcester and Plymouth counties due to AAA E. And it goes on to say the pesticides used is Anvil 10 plus 10, the EPA registered product extensively tested. This is where we have a red flag, and used in both ground level and aerial spraying in the US control

mosquitoes. So, I mean, we're having this weird intersection, between COVID and like the polio response now with the spraying like DDT. I mean, it's gotta be, yeah. I mean like you said, the spraying DDT back during the polio days. But being like curfews and this type of warnings, these people must really be suffering.

I can't imagine coming out of COVID and just feeling like, oh my God, it's happening again, and again here in the United States of America. And it goes to say the public health response, if there's only, if there's one person that dies, it's a full blown, you know, they pull the trick,

it's full-blown health response. We've seen that with vaccinations as well with the Japanese encephalitis. So we have one of organizations called peer public employees for environmental responsibility. They were on this conversation in 2020 when there was spraying done then for AAA. And they did some great reporting. I'm just going to pull this back out because it's relevant today. Massachusetts concedes aerial spraying largely ineffective. And it says in this article, data from the 2019 applications gives scant reason for confidence since half the spray events had 0% efficacy, i.e. no reduction in primary mosquito vectors at a cost to taxpayers at 2.2 million. An assessment by the Department of Health admits that, quote, it is impossible to measure the

reduction in AAA cases based on aerial applications of pesticides. And that reduction of the risk from AAA relies primarily on the use of personal prevention behaviors by individuals. I mean, that's just common, this is common sense right there. But then the bigger question is, your aerial spraying pesticides on communities. So they go, into this article and they talk about that. What are they spraying? Well, it says other records of peer obtained relate to the pesticide agent the states use, Anvil 10 Plus 10, which has two active ingredients, Sumeran and PBO. EPA classifies PBO is a possible human carcinogen. So that's a cancer causer. Summiraan is known to suppress the immune system and interferes with respiratory

functions. So you're spraying something that's known to press the immune system while a mosquito-borne illness is going around. We've got a question that really doesn't show much efficacy that we've seen yet. Right. No efficacy and a risk to your health, potential cancer, autoimmune issues. I mean, really great. And in 2020, the Massachusetts legislator actually tried to push forward a bill that was going to allow widespread spraying with no public notice, no start and stop of the emergency, meaning

they can just keep it going whenever they want. and no really public accountability for how much they're spraying. And so at that time, you had a lot of municipalities, this is a messrs. It's a municipality association. They came out. They all stood together, and this was one of the headlines. They're urging the public health committees to reject this preempt of an overly broad mosquito bill.

And in 2020, 75 legislators wrote and said, you can't do this. You have to put these earmarks in this bill to give people a choice, to allow them to opt out, to tell them when this is going to happen, give them notice. So this is what happens. If you're in Massachusetts right now, you can go to Mass.gov and actually your legislators did work to give you an opt-out, how to request an exclusion or opt-out from wide area of pesticide applications. So your property can be excluded from that, and that can be forevermore if you want to. You just basically fill this out. So if enough people in the community really-

Stop the spray like, you know, just over your house? Yeah, that's a question about how they do that. They do truck spraying as well. So if it's from the street applications, I would imagine. Couldn't possibly drift on your house. We got it just isolated. We just put a box around your house, fine. Yeah, it's one thing glyphosate taught us is nothing drifts.

Right, right. Amazing. So I mean, as we're coming out of this, again, still coming out of this COVID fog, we're still seeing these rhythms and these rhymes of other lockdowns, curfews coming in here. And these are getting, the good news is, these are getting highly visible for people. Communities are still standing up saying we don't want anything that looks, it looks like a curtailing on our freedoms.

But the biggest curtailing on our freedoms is happening and has been happening. COVID really kicked it off and supercharged it. And that is the freedom of speech. And something happened this week that involves Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg came out and made some pretty fascinating, pretty fascinating admissions when it came to Facebook. So as we have been reporting, In 2021, there was a lot of censorship in Facebook.

The White House was pressuring them. We now know this because of documents obtained by Jim Jordan. And this is a Washington Post article. It says Facebook bowed to White House pressure, removed COVID posts. Jim Jordan received internal emails from Mark Zuckerberg. And they said this. You can actually read them. He posted this on X.

He said, this is one of their engineers in Facebook talking to Mark Zuckerberg. He said, we are facing continued pressure from external stakeholders, including the White House and the press. to remove more COVID-19 vaccine discouraging content. Remember, that's true. A lot of that was true content. It was people's stories as we reported at the time saying, I think I got a vaccine injury from this thing.

Nope, you're gone. Facebook's going to remove that. But then Facebook did something different. Right before that, on the run-up to the 2020 election, they censored a story from the New York Post on basically Hunter Biden's laptop as Joe Biden's son. And one of the headlines there, Mark Zucker, appears on Joe Rogan's podcast,

revealed by Facebook censored New York Post Hunter Biden laptop story. We covered it at the time. And all Mark Zuckerberg said on Joe Rogan's podcast was the FBI came to him and said, look, you got to be on the lookout for Russian disinformation on the run-up to this election. There may be a dump. That's all he said. So now Mark Zuckerberg writes to Jim Jordan as part of an investigation, and we're going to go right to this. Jim Jordan posted this on the X account Mark Zuckerberg just admitted three things. Biden, Harris administration pressured Facebook Facebook censored Americans. Facebook Thrill the Hunter Biden laptop story. Big win for free speech. So let's look at Zuckerberg's letter. Let's see exactly what he said because there's actually some

new information in there. He said in 2021 senior officials from the Biden administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our teams for months to censor certain COVID-19 content, including humor and satire and expressed a lot of frustration with our teams when we didn't agree. Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take content down, and we own our decisions in including COVID-19 related changes we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure. I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it. It's the first time he's really fully addressed this. Before it's just been internal emails, but he stepped up, he addressed this.

And, you know, he regrets it. That's great. Says, probably not do that next time. We'll see. But then he goes on and he gives more information here. He says in a separate situation, the FBI warned us about a potential Russian disinformation operation about the Biden family and Burisma. Now, that's interesting because that's not what he told Joe Rogan.

So we're now finding out that the FBI came to him directly and told him about the Biden families dealing with Burisma. This is this Ukrainian energy company. So there's a big question there was the, what did the FBI know and why did they plant that story with Mark Zuckerberg? So it goes on to say, the Biden family of Burisma in the lead up to the 2020 election that fall. When we saw the New York Post story reporting on corruption allegations involving then Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's family, we sent the story to fact checkers for review

and temporarily demoted it while waiting for a reply. It's since been made clear that the reporting was not Russian disinformation. And in retrospect, we shouldn't have demoted the story. So here you have Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook, among others, but Facebook interfering with the two biggest socially relevant, politically relevant stories in the United States during the last four to five years and being on the wrong side of history, big time. Well, and involved in election interference. I mean, if we look at this now, you were using a platform and saying that this has been investigated, we're the arbiters of truth.

And as it turns out, we were being pressured by a government to lie to you and we demoted information around that lie. And now after the fact, years later, we are recognizing, you know, we shouldn't have done that. I mean, it's really, it's really quite amazing. When I think about, you know, Richard Nixon and Watergate, you know, listening in on someone's phone call, just seems like a far cry from using the CIA, the FBI, like 30 or what, 50 of them to all write a letter that there's Russian misinformation going on, puts out an article. They pressure all social media. Don't let this laptop story out. Joe Biden in a debate then says that that's,

a Russian hoax, all, like not a hoax, something you knew wasn't a hoax, something that you use government agencies to cover up. And now you have, you know, basically, I don't know, we call it a news agency, a communications system admitting, yeah, we kept you from knowing the truth. Exactly. Wow. So a lot of people are saying, well, why did he do this? I mean, he was part of an investigation, but he knew that letter was going to be public. So why did he do this? Does he know something that's coming down the line? Does he, did he just have a change of conscience? What's going on here?

Is he trying to avoid any type of possible jail time if this moves forward? Well, I will say this, like you're alluding to, Facebook is something, and social media in general, is this new anomaly. And it's almost like a digital crystal ball. So I'm going to go a little different direction with this conversation here.

So in 2014, 2015, you had artificial intelligence, which is really starting to come online, get its sea legs, standing up. And in 2016, Facebook put out this press release, introducing FB Learner Flow, Facebook's AI backbone. So at that point, every engineer in Facebook had access to basically state-of-the-art algorithms, AI algorithms, machine learning,

had it all at their fingertips. And what does that do? What did it do? Well, going back to that press release, it says, FB learner flow is a system that ingest trillions of data points every day trains thousands of of models, either offline or in real time, and then deploys them to the server fleet for live

predictions. So again, this is like a really high-tech digital crystal ball. And you have to think that Mark Zuckerberg, his engineers have access to this, have access to this information. And by as early as 2013, just on Facebook likes alone, you had this study, private traits and attributes are predictable from digital records of human behavior. They took 58,000 volunteers, They just looked at their likes. That's it on Facebook. No AI backbone, no machine learning. And they found this. They write, we show that easily accessible digital records of behavior, Facebook likes, can be used to automatically and accurately predict a range of highly sensitive personal attributes, including sexual orientation, ethnicity, religious and political views, personal traits, intelligence, happiness, use of addictive substances, parental separation, age, and gender. It could tell if you're Democrat or Republican in 85% of the cases. It could tell if you're a Republican. your heterohomosexual man in 88% of the cases.

So it's extremely accurate. But the study goes on to say something, it hints at something else. It says a similarity between Facebook likes and other widespread kinds of digital records, such as browsing histories, search queries, or purchase histories suggest that the potential to reveal users' attributes is unlikely

to be limited to likes. So they're saying, if you combine, if you start to look at likes and maybe someone's banking history or purchase history, you can really get a, a great view of what this person thinks, how they live their life, their deepest and their most secrets. So just a couple of years after that study,

we have Wall Street Journal, and this is the headline, Facebook to banks, give us your data, will give you our users. Facebook has asked large US banks to share detailed financial information about customers. So the picture I'm painting to you is, we have Mark Zuckerberg, free speech hero, maybe, but you also have this person saying,

sorry, we regret we centered you. And on the back end, you have this person in his company aggressively trying to find out every single detail of your life, predict what you're going to do. And I'm going to say it's probably not just to sell products to people. So this is the conversation is free speech, free expression, and a major bombshell happen just a couple days ago during this conversation. One of the largest online platforms focused on free speech and privacy, Telegram had its CEO arrested in France. This is Pavel Dirov. He left Russia, Russian citizen for a long time. He left Russia because of government pressure because they were trying to get back doors into Telegram, this encrypted messaging app, one of the few left in the world.

And you see there are Reuters that the arrest of him just a couple days ago. But now just yesterday we find out that he has been indicted in France. And it says the indictment against Duraf, the founder of CEO of a prominent social media platform, is also extremely, extremely extraordinary and unusual since holding executives at social networks criminally liable for content that appears on sites was until now considered almost unthinkable. So if you go to the French, the judiciary tribunal of France, they put out basically his charges. And so he's being, he's being held and indicted on what other people are doing on his platform, money laundering, sharing pictures of miners. This would be like taking a phone company and throwing

the phone company in jail because two thieves, you know, called each other and planned on robbing a bank. Like, you know, you're literally just the communication company that, you know, that had the device that this happened on. It's really outrageous. Yes, yes, absolutely. And you're seeing, you're seeing this now new push. You're seeing this in Brazil, France, the UK, this push for free speech that is now going above and beyond what we normally is seeing. But what's interesting is the France the Judiciary Tribunal of France published his indictments, basically. And among those charges I was just listing are these charges at the bottom.

Providing cryptology services aiming to ensure confidentiality without certified declaration, providing a cryptology tool, not solely ensuring authentication or integrity monitoring without prior declaration. What they're saying there is he's providing encryption to ensure confidentiality without certified declaration, basically without allowing the government to have control, without having to be able to watch what you're saying. Like he's clearly saying to somebody that's asking him, no, I'm not letting you listen in on their conversation. It's the entire purpose of my app.

Exactly. And so what we're seeing here is a shift. Previously, we had de-platforming, we had shadow banning, and then we had this trajectory going into COVID, where there's government White House to top of down pressure. Now we're literally seeing the arresting and imprisoning of social people that work or own social media companies. And at this point, there's already been calls for Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg,

these type of people to stay out of the European Union because this now has become hostile for social media people to be traveling to these countries. And how is it happening in the United States? Well, Dura actually sat down with Tucker Carlson to talk about his treatment when he was in the United States. This was just from a couple months ago. Take a listen. We got too much attention from

the FBI, the security agencies, wherever we came to the U.S. So to give an example, last time I was in the U.S., I brought an engineer that is working for Telegram, and there was an attempt to secretly hire my engineer behind my back by cyber security officers or agents, wherever they are called. The U.S. government should hire your engineer? That's my understanding. That's what he told me. to write code for them or to break into Telegram?

They were curious to learn which open source libraries are integrated to the Telegram's app on the client's side and they were trying to persuade him to use certain open source tools that he would then integrate into the Telegram's code that in my understanding would serve as backdoors. Would allow the US government to spy on people who use Telegram. The US government or maybe any other government because a backdoor is a backdoor regardless of who is using it. I personally experienced similar pressure in the US. Whenever I would go to the US, I would have two FBI agents greeting me at the airport asking questions.

One time I was having my breakfast at 9 a.m. And the FBI showed up at my house that I was renting. And that was quite surprising. And I thought, you know, we're getting too much attention here. It's probably not the best environment to run. Why would the, had you committed a crime? No. They were interested to learn more about Telegram.

They knew I, you know, left Russia. They knew what we were doing, but they wanted details. And my understanding is that they wanted to establish a relationship to in a way control telegram better. Wow. So I guess that's how they treat people that don't just fall into the arms of government like a jellyfish like Markets's October day during COVID and actually want encryption, want protection for people's speech.

This is how they treat them. You want surveillance. They want to be allowed to have surveillance over us, which is, I'm sorry, that does not fit the promise of freedom in the United States. in the United States of America, you know, to each his own. You're supposed to be leaving us alone. It's really disconcerting in the fact that these people now that are involved in this, you know, I even, you know, said to people around me, can I go to France? I mean, have I said something?

Have we gotten any emails that we, have we checked all over emails? Did we like do a show that maybe pissed Macron off? I can think of a couple at the top of my head. And you're just like, you're just flying through all of it said, oh, we got one, we got another one. I mean, it's crazy out there right now. Yeah, this is a flashpoint for this freedom of speech conversation across what we call democratic states around the world.

This really has to be focused on. The outcome of this will really determine what direction. And this is right after the UK, which has been imprisoning people for social media posts. So we're at a new high watermark in the dangers of what happens when governments get involved from trying to take away free speech. And it seems like we really have to make this. one of the biggest points at this point, because obviously if we don't have that,

we don't have anything. Very important. I absolutely agree. We talk about it a lot on this show just because this show is only possible because of our right to free speech. And frankly, I know that this show is not, you know, there's certain countries

it's not available in because they don't have a right to free speech. We're wondering how much longer lasts in England and Europe when we're seeing people being arrested for, you know, sharing a photo of a riot going on on their street and they're being arrested for things like that. And you know, we've had those crazy lunatics from the government, I think was in UK or Ireland somewhere saying, we are going to come out and get you if you're in another country. Don't think you're safe if you're breaking our laws. We're coming after you. And this is what's so scary about a global government, right?

When you think of global governance, there are people inside this country now that really speak, you know, you know, glowingly about the idea of like, let's all be a melting, you know, a one-world government. Well, what? That works like the Europe does where they're arresting people on the street and think about it. Why would we want to be a part of a one world government? We're the only ones with a constitution. We're the only ones that like have said from the beginning, we don't agree with the rest of you. We believe in the right to free speech. We believe that God has endowed us with our rights and our government works for us. That's the way this thing works. I don't care about the rest of us. Can you imagine if we join a world government that thinks the exact opposite like France,

you're guilty until proven innocent. I don't want that one world government. We're certainly going to continue to fight for sovereignty here in the United States of America. And you're doing such a brilliant job of exposing all of what's going on, Jeffrey. It's courageous. It really is journalism now, for those of us that are telling the truth, is now requiring, I think, more and more courage. So I'm glad you haven't bailed on me yet. Not planning on any time soon. All right, Jeffrey. Keep up the good work. I'll see you next week. Thank you. All right. Well, look, there's so many great podcasters and alternative media that have stepped up to the cause and help fight for truth.

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There's been so much going on, but this one medical issue is killing more people than really anything else we talk about. Of course, I'm talking about the fentanyl crisis, and I know you've seen it because you've been watching the news. It's a crisis of epic proportions. It's the worst crisis that I've seen in my career. The most deadly and devastating public health and public safety epidemic. We are now in the worst overdose epidemic in United States history. The synthetic drug fentanyl has been having and is having a devastating effect on our communities all across these United States. Federal authorities say fentanyl-related fatalities are now the leading cause of death.

death for adults under 50. According to the CDC, fentanyl was the leading cause for the record number of drug poisonings and overdose deaths in America last year. Drug users who think they are buying prescription pills like Vicodin, Percocet, Oxy, or even Adderall, but the pills are fake and often contained fentanyl.

We seized over 10 million fake pills and 982 pounds of fentanyl powder. That is enough to kill 30, 6 million Americans. Laura Brinker and Matt White lost their 17-year-old son, Connor White, to fentanyl poisoning in May of last year. He was on the floor in the bathroom, not breathing, and immediately they called 911 and started with CPR.

It was too late. Why is fentanyl so popular? It is extremely potent high. It is dirt cheap, and it is incredibly easy to get. was in and out of jail, in and out of jail for years. Crystal says she depended on fentanyl. She used so often, she overdosed more than a half dozen times. Crystal says she should have died.

Last year, overdose deaths fueled by fentanyl and other synthetic opioids, exceeded 112,000 people, yet another record. I believe that number. I've actually been speaking publicly and every once in a while, I'll reference, I think, six or 70,000 deaths in America from fentanyl. And to see that number was my team put it together, 112,000 people died from this drug or dead now that didn't have to be.

This is really a crisis of epic proportions. I do want to give a warning. I know many of you use the high wire as a homeschool class. If you have young children in the room, then this is really probably not one of those segments that you want to have them watch. But I'll also say this, if you have teenagers in the room with the room,

you right now, lock the door, sit them down. This is something everyone has to see. This story struck very close to us here at the High Wire. A young man that has even volunteered helped us really organize the bricks, the fundraiser that we had, and we're trying to figure out who is who and how we gritted out. A beautiful kid who just really wanted to help out and make a difference. His name was Aiden. He was visiting here just over a year ago, and there he is. Well, we lost him to this horrible situation. And his parents just were courageous enough to say they wanted to open up and really tell that story for all of us parents that are really worried about the situation.

What are our kids dealing with? This is their story. Aiden is my second child. He was a very sweet boy from the get-go. He was very kind and generous and affectionate. Had a great sense of humor. He was a very outgoing kid, I think, in some ways, but in other ways he was shy and a little bit apprehensive.

I think that from a very young age, he did have anxiety out in the world. He wanted to be with us all the time and really didn't even ever want to go off to school. He was that kid that had a really hard time, you know, sitting in the desk all day and following the directions the way that kids are expected to do. So he definitely struggled. We had a property down here in Mexico and I felt like pulling them out of school at that age and going on this kind of adventure was going to be a better learning experience overall. for them. So we lived in Mexico for about two years. We ended up moving back to the States and landed in Santa Barbara, California, where we lived for almost 12 years and tried to create

a home that was fun and lively. I'm and my husband being a musician. He loved playing music with his dad. became a bonding thing for us that we played music together. I mean, he was good. He could sing and he could play and he could write. I think music was maybe his primary self-confidence. It's the place where his heart was really full and he shined bright. Oh, they never no more, said I play the wild.

In 2009, the Hesu Sita fire took our home, and we literally had nothing left. So Aiden was 10 years old at that time. I think everybody was pretty traumatized from that, and it all compounded, I think, at that time. I feel like that had a big impact on Aiden going back into just that anxiety that easily came to him. I think it brought a lot of that back.

And that's where he just continued to struggle, and was acting out and starting to get in trouble, not focusing in class, goofing around. He was a rebel, for sure, drugs and experimenting and trying to find relief. Getting caught with like marijuana, drinking with buddies and just all of those kinds of things, which we kind of felt like he would grow out of.

We did try to do a lot of different things to help him from therapy and different doctors. psychiatrist that we went to he just wanted to prescribe medication out of the get-go I mean the Adderall for this and this for that and it's like how do you guys even know we tried to look at what he was eating and supplements and different kinds of things it was really challenging for him because he was the kind of person too that was just like oh if there's a pill that makes me feel better I want that the naturopath that takes time and when you have somebody that

it's anxious and wants relief that very moment. A long-term plan is harder to get them engaged with. As he got older and was exposed to all of the partying that was going on in Santa Barbara, there's a lot of drugs available to kids and more than you realize as a parent. We did find out that he was starting to dabble with the opiates. I don't know when it transitioned

from more conventional opiates to fentanyl, but it seemed to progress. He recognized the slippery slope of that, but was not able to control it on his own. And so that's when we first began to search for outside help. I'm joined by Aiden's parents Charmaine and John Bostwick now. I wanna thank you both for coming in. Thank you.

Hi, Del. Thank you for having us. Yes. You know, you visited just over a year ago, It was great seeing you've been great supporters of the work that we do here and and you know, so was Aiden. I guess what's just to begin with what is difficult is I think that we compartmentalize these stories and say well they had a troubled childhood there was unrest in the family divorce like we tried to just think that that couldn't happen to me We have a stable household.

I mean, you seem like good parents. You seem like caring, pulled them out of school, did things that a lot of people in our audience are doing. Do you feel, I mean, when you reflect on it, was this just inevitable? Or is it, you know, is the story written? Was there love in the house? Was there something that we're missing?

in this story? You know, it's an interesting question to ask. I don't know if it was inevitable. I mean, I feel like maybe from some spiritual level, you know, Aiden came here to teach us something and then moved on, you know. But yeah, on the human level of analyzing it all, yes, we had a lot of love in our household and loving family and actually a lot of support from our families on both sides, both John and mine, and we do have addiction and alcoholism and addiction running in our families on both sides. But I think, honestly, that's kind of going on in most families as you begin to talk to people, you know, out in the world. And I think you just do the best you can as a parent to try to stay on top of that.

I think John and I coming from growing up in the 80s, you know, there was a lot of partying where I grew up. I know you've shared a bit about that too. Like it was kind of a free time where I grew up in more of an alternative community up in Northern California and there was plenty of partying going on. And we kind of, you kind of grow out of that. And so there's that idea that, you know, some of that's just normal. And then, so as a parent, I think there's a real tricky place

to find that balance of like what is okay and what isn't and when does it get out of control. And I do think there are different factors. Some people are more susceptible, you know, to addiction than others. And I think Aiden, he was diagnosed with 88, quote-unquote at freshman year in high school. He had always been very anxious.

You know, that kind of runs in the family too. I've really struggled with anxiety. So it's hard to know what specifically, you know. Yeah, he definitely had something that you would say that he almost was moving through this world pretty quickly. Like he was kind of, he had this kind of old soul vibe, especially when he would get sober, which was three or four different times, and it would be for these extended periods.

And he was just such an amazing person to talk to him, and just a great human being all the way around and very real. But there was also a sense of him that was, like we keep saying, he was uncomfortable after a certain point. He was very comfortable when he would get sober, and we think we were out of the woods, and that's something. another thing that I think is important to maybe reflect on from our experience is that we thought we were out of the woods three times, meaning that this wasn't going to come back. And, you know,

these drugs right now are super drugs. I mean, they're so powerful. Well, that's what I mean, to me, as you said, I grew up in the 80s too. They're just, it's just a different world. There weren't, I mean, I suppose there was something, just not like this, where one time something is late for something you can die, or so incredibly addictive, there's just no turning it around. At what age was he at when you first knew he was experimenting at all? 14, probably. 14? Yeah, like junior high. Yeah, and we just couldn't, you know, so we do the what the heck thing, you know, and it just, it just,

it blew our mind. Is that younger than you guys sort of, when you reflected on your past? Yeah, yeah, it's younger. I mean, he was, he was an experimenter. And like I think we said, he even told me. So, I mean, as we went through this journey together of him getting sober, we became very honest.

He was very honest with us. I mean, he would hide stuff when it came to wanting to go off and use your way. whatever, but when he was sober, he'd be totally honest, and he just said that the drug just really made him feel way better, whatever it was, and it just kept progressing. And I knew, kind of in the back of my mind, by the way he would talk about it, that this thing was never going to leave his head, unless there was some miracle thing with, like, psychedelics or something that people are talking a lot about in terms of helping with that.

But in terms of preventing it from ever happening, you'd have to pretty much lock somebody in a room. But I do think the signs of, it just feels this way to me. And without, I don't study this or anything, but the sign that somebody is anxious or has a hard time sleeping or is having some social anxiety or whatever, that to me would be a huge red flag indicator that you want to watch your kids. real close and I don't know what the answers are maybe it's heavily into sports or whatever yeah well you know John and Charmaine did what any parent would do eventually you start trying to use some sort of rehabilitation systems they got involved in programs Aiden was open to that this is the next part of their

story Aidan was always really willing to go into treatment he came out of the Riverbank House, he was super inspired and started taking classes at Santa Barbara City College. He had a great job that he loved. Those would be the times. It's like he'd come out of it, so inspired and so in his essence and Keith Rye. And you just were so hopeful. We all were. He was excited and that was right when the pandemic hit.

Governor Gavin Newsom ordered all 40 million residents to stay at home. Schools in northern Santa Barbara County will close to reduce the spread of coronavirus. About 6.1 million children are now no longer in school. His life just kind of came to a halt and he was very isolated and that was a time when he did end up relapsing and going back to the self-medicating. Over that several year period he was struggling on and off. He'd get to get some help, and he'd come back in our lives. And he probably did that three times. So he was aware of what he was even doing to himself, but couldn't stop it.

And fentanyl, it's like a super drug. It just puts its hooks in you. He would just tell me that even if you know it's going to kill you, you'll still do it. It's crazy. Aidan was in a sober living in Oregon, but there was a buddy. there and they decided to use together so they got kicked out of this sober living and he ended up on the street in Portland and when we saw him he looked like he had been on the street for a year and it was only a matter of days he would have sores on his skin

when Aiden came and walked in Charmaine he looked at me he looked at me he felt so much remorse and shame. And he said, Grandma, I'm sorry. You do not deserve to have a grandson like me. And I said, you are the only grandson I have ever wanted. And that was one of the most heartbreaking, heart-wrenching times. You can't even understand how powerful. the thing is they're no longer themselves.

They're no longer themselves. I don't want to remember my son this way, and I don't want other people to remember him this way. But I think it's important for people to realize how quickly the fentanyl kidnaps them, and they literally turn into someone that you wouldn't recognize. That's hard to see. Yeah.

What are your thoughts as you watch that now? Well, just showing up here to honor Aiden's memory by being in service, you know, to talk about something that's not easy to talk about and easy to look at. And there's so much stigma around addiction and there's so much that we're seeing in society, that people who are being destroyed by these drugs. And I think we tend to become hardened to it, right? And other them and, yeah, just the whole stigma thing. So, you know, really part of the reason that I'm here is in honor of Aden to continue to be of service and have these conversations so that more and more people are really aware of how intense it has gotten. And don't do what we did and think, oh, they'll figure it out.

It's much more serious. Yeah, there's a shame element to it too, which I think stigma and shame, we were trying to figure out where those lines are blurred. But you invariably have an element of regret, shame, all these just really horrible emotions that you kind of reflect back on. but we feel like, you know, when you guys call this for this, you know, we thought about it for, it took maybe five seconds to go, yeah, of course. Because if we, you know, can be of some kind of help, I think that's maybe what the purpose of these horrible things are, is to try to mitigate it by, because there's always a balance, right? there's always a battle between good and bad somehow, no matter what you believe or, you know, what your, you know, feelings are about religion or anything that you believe spiritually. But there is that battle.

And we went through beautiful things with him, really beautiful. In fact, we kind of became friends because we couldn't beat him, you know, in the end. So we would play music together. We did some shows together and we just were very honest with each other. Of course, we didn't want to hear about him going and doing drugs, but we'd have a couple beers together because I just couldn't stop it. We couldn't keep him sober. So we just didn't know what to do. So that's what happens.

You don't know what to do and you don't know what's happening. You create a healthy way to be in this environment versus like, you know, obviously austerity isn't working for this individual. You can't just ignore it completely. So can we find a, I mean, I just can't imagine as a parent just grappling for, I would think myself, I tend to sort of start with yelling. I would imagine that was the first thing. That was tried. Yeah. Yeah, that's my, so my, luckily, my wife is such a stable element.

And, you know, people probably aren't surprised seeing me on the show. I'm fairly, you know, lovingly, you know. fat-ifatic. But then you must think, wait, is that just pushing them away? That doesn't work. I don't know what works. Yeah. Well, it didn't, nothing work for us, but. And it felt like we tried everything. You know, we worked with different counselors, different intervention people,

different rehab treatment kinds of places. And there are different approaches, right? The tough love and then more of... There are good resources out there, though. great guy who helped us, who's helped us, who's now passed, Burr, but he really opened it up. And he said, look, get rid of the anger. Don't be mad. Just get, because, you know, he's been through it all. And that was a new thought to me to get rid of the anger because they're not themselves. They're absolutely hijacked. And so that's something that's important to point out to families that might be

struggling with this or whatever is going on if it's been a long battle or a short battle, but being angry about it is a natural reaction, but it's not going to help because they are not, oh my God, they are just not themselves. And you kind of think, well, this is self-inflicted, and that's going to be, you know, in fact, one of the things Burr would say to us is, you know, we'd have this big class of people that had addictive loved ones. He said, do you think this is a disease or not? And it's hard to say because you can make a decision about it, unlike maybe cancer, right, to take the thing.

But it really is a disease. It's a disease if you really get down into it. And I can't really articulate how it is right here, right now. But I would just say that you need to get help. It seems like some people, like, like a cancer, you know, you can try and burn it out. You can try and get it out of there, but it's, you know, it just has its way of, you know, coming back.

You think about people going. Is it gone good, you know, continuing to get checked up? Yeah. I would imagine this disease, you know, am I through it? Am I clear? And it seems like you did exactly what I would imagine I would do, which is, I mean, I'm both my wife and I are artists, you know, and I would say, what's your passion? Like, you'd find the thing you care about in life.

and focus on that. So you, you know, the music. This thing's stronger than almost everything else to certain people, right? Once it gets their, it's claws in you. Yep. And that, if there's, I guess, any message, and again, going back to people that might have a proclivity, which is probably very difficult to diagnose other than anxiety or whatever. Well, and it's one of those that you don't know until you know.

Until you know, yeah. It's too late. Then it might be too late, exactly. But, you know, maybe there are some indications. But I think getting help early and overboard would be maybe if we're here to recommend anything from our experience, is we were just like waiting for it. And then it would just get so bad and rehab. And then we would let our guard back down, kind of.

Not really, but we'd start feeling like this is going to, we beat it again. And I don't know if... Yeah, I don't know if I felt like we ever really beat it. I think there was always concern. But it's, again, it's like not ever completely knowing what the answer is and trying to reach out in, you know, different ways with different people. And then when that maybe isn't completely working, I feel like, you know, like, It was hard when Aiden became a young adult.

It was different when he was a teenager, and we could tell him what to do, and we would put him into rehab, or we would demand things, and we went through all of that, just doing everything we could, and trying to get help. But when he became a young man, you know, there's a point where you don't get to control everything, and that is really challenging. And I feel like, though we would get very hopeful at times when he would be sober for, you know, I think up to nine months is really the longest he had, but he would be doing really good. And it's easy to begin to believe he's going to make it through this. He's going to be okay, you know, and maybe he can just be kind of this regular kid that goes out with his friends and has drinks sometimes and, you know, but is living his life and thriving. And so all of that's a slippery slope. So I would encourage people to definitely reach out as much as possible when if they do suspect or seeing signs with their children, I think it was hard in the beginning because you're questioning yourself. And they're going to lie to you.

And that will make you feel like you're crazy. And then there's the stigma issue. So I think, you know, that's hard. too. You don't know how to talk about it in the beginning with your own peer group. And I think what's important for people to know is if they suspect anything to really be reaching out and getting help in many ways as you can. And don't be afraid to talk about it. It's the one disease where nobody really is like able to attack the problem. They're like going away from the problem. They're trying to run from a rehab or from some

kind of cure. And it just, it's like a, it's a complete nightmare of a problem. And I don't know how it's going to get solved. It's like, you know, Ben who wrote the book, who you're going to talk to, we spent a lot of time talking to him before this. And we were talking about, like, I mean, what are the solutions? And it's, again, I'm not even going to try to begin to, to, to answer that from a societal standpoint, but from just a personal, standpoint, I feel like the one thing that we could say is if you, at the very beginning, go overboard trying to do whatever it is to get the right kind of help. And again, I don't know what that is, but there are professionals out there and we had a great guy bird. But once it gets

too far, it's, I think with these drugs, it's very hard to come back. What about peer pressure? How did he, you know, do you feel like that had any place? in it or was this just because I mean I know he's a high wire kid right he was able to stand up against vaccinate and tell me about that in him yeah well that's interesting um aden I think peer pressure came into play when he was younger in those in the early days of him being he he was also kind of the the class clown kid the entertainer from the beginning he didn't fit in the box as a disciplined student in school.

That's who I was too. Yeah, and he was that creative person. He really was. And so his way, I believe, of coping with his anxiety around school and not fitting in or doing as well as, you know, maybe the math was next to him was to be this funny guy and also maybe a bit of a rebel. And he had that, you know, that musician personality that like to interview. And so he did end up with some friends where they would feed each other in that way and they were

They were getting into trouble. They were a little wild. He was wild for sure. But then again, he was also had an incredibly good heart. I mean, just, and I'm sure that's true of everybody, right? Most everybody, especially that's suffering from addiction. He was highly sensitive and I think that's a big piece of it too, you know, and part of the numbing and not being able to deal with things. But it's also that revel in him, Dell, that I think had him open

to, like, the vaccination issue. And I had been working for my chiropractor for a long time, who was one of the, like a health coach, and he introduced me to you before the pandemic. And so I was always sharing information with my kids and wanting to talk to them about that kind of stuff. So when the pandemic happened and we were considering, you know, is this something we would do as far as the vaccine? No, I don't think so. Well, our kids were already adults. And so I just wanted to give them information so that they could decide on their own because that to me was really important that people get to take in the information and make their own decisions. And Aiden really did that.

He watched the highwire. He got inspired. He started asking more and more about that, and he chose not to take the vaccine, had many friends who were, you know. But he wasn't one of those kids. It's like he wasn't the kind of kid that was trying to follow everybody else.

He didn't need to comply. No. Yeah, he was very much of his own style and thinking and that kind of thing. Which is such a, it's like what you want in your children. You want them to be dynamic. You want them to be individuals. You want them to be unique.

You don't want them to feel suppressed so that they can't enjoy themselves. So, I mean, let's just look at the last part of the story. As Aidan is very open with his parents. He's working to try and get through it and taking trips and visiting Mexico. This is the rest of the story. He came to be with us in Mexico and we had had to have some big talks with him and also set some real boundaries. And as a parent, that's just a really, really challenging thing that you go through is constantly like, are we doing the right thing? He had started to get that compulsion to, I think, jump out of his skin really.

And this kind of pace here was not working any longer. We were living hour by hour. Just every time that phone rings, what's it gonna be? And whenever I heard that ring, it would just send shivers through my body. The last time that I saw him, it was January 15th. He had decided to go and that was the day he was gonna leave. His plan was to take a break from here

and to go and see what he could do up there. And he had a friend who had an appointment who had an apartment and they could be roommates. So I drove them to the airport and just gave him a big hug. And you know, every time Aiden went to leave, there would be a part of my, in the back of my mind, wondering if I would see him again. I remember hugging him goodbye and I started to walk my direction.

He was going his and I turned back because I had a feeling Then we got the call the next day that he was gone. He had overdosed. The toxicology report had fentanyl, two different kinds of strong benzodiazepines. I was in shock and it's like going through a bad dream. What I missed day to day is, I miss a sense of humor and that laugh that he had and I even miss the hard times. I miss his hugs. I miss traveling with him.

He was so fun. I miss his sense of humor. These drugs are stealing such beautiful people. Aiden, I love you so much. Thank you for all the joy that you spread to me, to our family. And we know who you are. You guys have to make us cry on TV. That's the first time we've seen that, this first time we've seen that, so it's a little bit hard, so I apologize.

No, it's hard as a parent to watch. Yeah. And, you know, sitting here with you, you know, it doesn't feel like there's anything anyone could tell you or say, I'm sure you've run yourself through every, what if we had done something else. Oh, yeah. And then I guess you're left celebrating, you know, the moments that you... Yeah, we're feeling good about a lot of this in a strange way where we're now doing something like this, where we can give back in his honor. And I mean, there's nothing good about it, but there is some feeling of peace for him. and also, and this is just for us,

this isn't really maybe relevant to maybe some of this conversation, but there's this sense that there's something else for us because we've seen signs of him. I don't go looking for signs, and I've seen him for sure. And so there's a certain level of, you know, there's a bigger thing going on

than just this, world that we're in, but we're here now. And I think these challenging things that we're dealing with, there's a lot going on in the world, right? A lot of really hard stuff. So I think it's, it's what are we here to learn, you know? What can people like Aidan teach us? What, what is going on that we all need to look at? and how can we how can we learn and grow and and hopefully help help people along the way and um help people to be compassionate and yeah maybe something aiden's going maybe is giving a gift to hopefully a lot other more you know other people in the future that are really i'm

I mean, it's very surreal. Even when, you know, like she said, we almost not expected it, but weren't going to be surprised because of how close he was living to me. I was going to say you said every time that phone rang, when it rang that time. Oh, we had the new iPhone with a nice little jingly ring

that's like a dream, and it scared the crap out of me every time I hear that sound. And that's how we were living, except for the times when he would be sober, but that can always change on a dime. So yeah. Yeah, it's a rough road for families to be having a child struggle with addiction

and let all, you know, then now with these drugs the way they are even more and more powerful. I mean, it's a nightmare. And that's why, you know, I encourage families to really get support, really reach out, have the conversations. Don't hope.

As hard as you think it is, how uncomfortable, you know, really get the help you need. Well, I want to thank you both for being so courageous sharing this incredible story. And you know, I think you may be right. I mean, this is, I've been around addiction. I try to imagine what rock stars would have made it if this was the drug in the 70s and 80s.

I mean, how many of them would be alive? to, you know, at all. It's so destructive. So perhaps, you know, I think my hope here is that maybe at least this interview and this moment can be shared, you know, by our families and to children before they make that choice. Before you try this out, don't do it. It's no good. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for having us, Del. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah. Well, there's a journalist that has really gotten deep into this the way nobody else has.

Has traveled all over the world trying to understand where is it coming from. You know, how is it getting in? What are they trying to do to stop it? What's happened to the people involved in it? He's written an incredible book, Fentanyl Inc. And he is everywhere trying to bring attention to this incredible issue. Think you like this. Ben Westhoff.

Ben Westhoff. Finn is an award-winning investigative reporter. An award-winning investigative reporter whose books are taught around the country that have been translated around the world. In his new book, Fentanyl Inc. journalist Ben Westoff maps the terrifying trail of a drug that was developed in 1959 by a Belgian chemist as a legitimate alternative to morphine. I had a friend who died from fentanyl in 2010

before people were much talking about it, before I knew what it was. What I was interested in doing as a journalist was tracking how these drugs get into this country. I decided to infiltrate a Chinese drug lab where they made fentanyl. I was the first journalist to do this, and it was a pretty dumb thing to do. It was a whole thing. I like wrote them on the internet. I made a fake email address and I said, I'm a drug dealer. I'd like to visit your lab.

May I do that when I come to China? And they said, yeah. What? In 2021, 110,000 people died from drug overdose deaths, with 72% of them coming from synthetic opioids like fentanyl. Any pill or any powder that you get on the black market could have fentanyl from cocaine, heroin, meth, to even fake prescription pills that are pressed

to look exactly like a percocet or a Xanax. That's how Prince died. That's how Tom Petty and the rapper Mac Miller all died is that they thought they were taking legitimate pain pills. It only takes two grains of rice worth of fentanyl to overdose. You can have a suitcase full that basically has millions of doses. We're in San Francisco in the tenderloin neighborhood, which has kind of become the public face of the fentanyl crisis

in the entire country. There's guys who are just hitting up meth pipes, smoking fentanyl off of pieces of aluminum foil. A nice meeting, Ben. Have you had an opioid addiction and how did it start? Um, embarrassing to say, you know, but I'm 37. I met my wife when I was 30. At that time I hadn't really done much and she pushed me on to using opioids.

Even if China reigns in its rogue industries, if American demand for these drugs does not subside, production will simply shift to other countries. There's so many people affected by this crisis, by this epidemic, that parents, family, friends, people are starting to make their voices heard. All right, well, the book is massive around the world. Everyone is reading Fentanyl, Inc. if you haven't checked it out, you absolutely should. I'm honored and pleased to be joined by Ben Westoff now. Thanks for having me.

Thank you for joining me. We just heard an incredible story. Usually that's, you know, a story that I'm used to have done interviews like this for many years. It's, you know, we need to get into rehab. There was something we could do. This just felt so hopeless. That beautiful kid, beautiful family, doesn't seem like there's any reason, not doesn't seem like some massive you know human trauma it's just like accidentally went one step

and tried this you know one step too far and tried this is that is that a common in all the interviews you've done is this is that is that a fairly common story is that rare yeah unfortunately it is really common almost any drug as was mentioned can and does have fentanyl in it now any drug that can be sold as a powder or a pill. Fentanyl is just this super cheap, super potent drug that if you're off on the dosing by the tiniest bit, can kill you. Why? I mean, you know, when I was a kid, you know, in high school,

I remember there'd be like rumors that your marijuana could be laced with PCP. I guess that was the big scary thing then, right? It was PCP. I don't even remember what that was. what that actually was, but, but, you know, the question is, why would anyone spend extra money to lace something? Well, the thing is the drug dealers are actually saving money this way. And so if you've got, you know, pure heroin, that's expensive.

But if you've got heroin that's mostly fentanyl, that's much, much cheaper. And it goes with other drugs, too, that you wouldn't think have anything to do with opioids like cocaine. You know, cocaine's an upper. Fentanyl's a downer, but, you know, drug dealers just don't think, you know, anyone's in a position to complain, so they just combine it all. Where is it getting combined? It's coming out of China, right? Does it come out of China as the full form of fentanyl? Is it just shipping over in boxes, or how does it work?

No, China makes what's called the precursor chemicals. So those are the most important chemical ingredients. I've heard it described in an article as like the brownie mix. And so that's actually sent to Mexico. And the Mexican cartels, you know, like bake the brownies essentially. So they make the Finnish fentanyl and then it's sent across the border into the U.S. Now it's adulterated really every step of the way. So in Mexico the cartels might put fentanyl into other drugs.

And then the regional drug dealers in the US, they adulterated some more. Every time they're increasing their profits. So they kind of like split it up, divide it out, keep adding fentanyl to get more out of it. Yeah, exactly. And see, that's the problem, because you know, fentanyl is an important hospital drug too.

Right. You know, it's used in colonoscopies for men, epidurals during childbirth. But in hospitals, you have trained anesthesiologists, who know exactly what they're doing. You know, I've talked to drug dealers on the street, on the other hand, who would mix up their drugs using a Mr. Coffee bean grinder. And so you obviously have no sense of what you're doing with that,

and as a result, there are hot spots in these drugs. So you could have one batch, and part of it might be fine, but other parts has a lethal dose. So you go on this incredible journey. you decide you're going to go to China to the source of where this is happening. And we're about to watch or listen to an audio recording going in, but set this up for me. I mean, first of all, you just don't strike me as someone that just naturally charges into, like, did you say you were a drug dealer?

Or did you, how did you set up communications with groups in China? Yeah, the first thing I did was just Google buy fentanyl in China. And all these websites were just right there on the clear web. I made a fake profile. I called myself Johnny Webster. I had like this avatar of a surfer bro, which I imagined was what a drug dealer might look like. And I just reached out to these people

and I started going on long Skype conversations. You know, the time difference was like 14 hours. So I'd get up at 4 in the morning to talk to them before they were leaving work. And we kind of formed a report and I'd ask him about the prices, the shipping. And finally I said, well, if I come to China, could you show me your lab? And some of them said yes.

And so I went to China not long after that. All right. Well, this is a recording of just one of those conversations. I've fallen in the company for 10 years. We do many chemicals such as chemical standards, such as the API and a few and a few of the chemicals as CEO asked, which is FAB dash EMB right FAMB M-AF I know it's not it's not legal in several countries but they are legal they are still legal to China

right I wondered in the few days like in a few years later this kind of chemicals will be banned, we're all be banned in China. That at the other time, we will discontinued of these kind of chemicals. Right. At this moment, this kind of chemicals, the chemicals is still living in China. You have many, many recordings like that.

When you talk to people like that, are they aware of the amount of people that are dying here from this? You know, some of these, lab workers and salespeople, they said they had no idea what fentanyl was. And I actually believe them, you know, because there's government control over the media in China. China doesn't have a fentanyl problem like we do in the U.S. So fentanyl would never even be in any of the newspapers. But this guy, he was the CEO of a lab, and I could tell that he felt guilty about it. You know, he referenced something

called MAF in that recording. And that's a type of fentanyl. And he actually asked me a couple times. He said, I'm worried that you might be a journalist and you're coming here to get our company in trouble. Is that true? Are you a journalist? Right. And I had to kind of just put on a poker face and say, oh, no, that's crazy. What are you talking about? And you know, the Chinese government clearly knows this is happening here. They know that these labs would be illegal and almost, I mean, are there other countries besides China that allow this type of manufacturing to go on and sell these chemicals? Is it? Well, in India you have some of it too, but China produces the vast majority. So when I was there,

it was still legal to actually sell types of fentanyl. That was still legal. But China banned that in 2019. And so now it's almost shifted to these precursors. Okay. And so again, taking the precursors in themselves won't kill you, but it's the most important thing to make fentanyl. And, you know, anyone can make precursors. You know, some people make it in the U.S., some people make it in Mexico. But it's the reason we buy, you know, the same reason we buy everything from China. Right. Because they do it the most cheaply, the most efficiently. And so that's why it's happening there. Is there a risk of these things you know vaping for instance is a really huge deal now and I would think that

most kids people think well I bought it in a store I mean even like you know I grew up in Colorado you can just walk in do you do we ever see this stuff getting into vape pens or things like that that they pens are really dangerous they're not regulated by the FDA so a lot of these same these same labs are making the vape juice, for example. And so you don't know what's in that stuff. Now, theoretically, if we're regulated like cigarettes, you know, I would actually say vaping is healthier

than smoking cigarettes. It's not gonna cause lung cancer. That comes from the combustion of the cigarette. The problem is, you know, nicotine is addictive, but it's not necessarily gonna give you cancer. The problem is we just don't know what's in that stuff, that vape juice, and often it does have real, awful, lethal chemicals.

What is, you know, what is, what are we doing in the United States of America? Do we still have like the war on drugs, you know, or say no to drugs? I mean, it feels like, you know, back in the Reagan area when I was in school, but are they just, are they making attempt to stop this stuff? Do you feel like it's a legitimate attempt to stop fentanyl from coming across the border? Well, you know, as far as education, you know, we really need much better education. You know, the fact is that kids today, teenagers, 20-something college students, they think drugs are just the same as they were when I was in college. Right.

You know, but the fact is the same dumb things I was doing in college now can kill you. So I think we do need broad-based education campaigns starting at, you know, pre-teen, really. As far as trying to stop drugs from getting across the border, unfortunately, I think it's a, almost impossible. You know, heroin is only 150th as strong as fentanyl. And we couldn't stop 50 bricks of heroin from getting across the border, so we can't stop one brick of fentanyl. You know, in prisons, people die of drug overdoses all the time, and that's a maximum security environment. So instead, I think we need to focus on education, and we also need to focus on getting what's called medication-assisted treatment to addicted users.

All right. When you, we talk to parents are watching right now, is that what you would say as a solution, is maybe have this conversation earlier than you think you should? Yeah, absolutely. It can't hurt to have it too early, and you don't want to have it too late. The fact is that kids aren't wise to this stuff,

and fentanyl is so ever-present. You know, people say, well, I trust my dealer, you know, but the dealer might not know himself what's in these pills. They also think that it looks like a Xanax. It looks like a Percocet. You know, it looks like the same thing that's in their parents' medicine cabinet. But you really can't even tell the difference

between a fake pill and a real pill. Did I hear, was it, 60, 70% of those? pills that are out there or have fentanyl in them now? It's possible. I mean, I don't know the exact statistics. It's really hard to know, but, you know, it's Russian roulette, so why take a chance? Wow. And is this just sort of an American, you know, North America problem? Russia? Do we know, like, is there a fentanyl issue or anywhere else in the world? You know, right now the only major countries are the U.S. and Canada because it sprung directly

from the opioid crisis with Purdue Pharma, Oxycontin. So that basically created millions of new addicted opioid users in this country. And so when their prescriptions ran out, a lot of them turned to heroin, street heroin. But there literally wasn't enough heroin to fill the void. And so that's when fentanyl came in. So they built the market, our own doctors,

our own hospital system, built it through Oxycontin Kodone, and Kodone. and all of these things. Then when the prescriptions up, it said, no more for you, they hit the streets and then built and just created this vacuum. Yep. I mean, there was no reason that fentanyl had to come in here. You know, people, you know, addicted users, they like heroin better.

This wasn't something they wanted. This was a supply-driven epidemic with the fentanyl, and it was directly a result of these pills. Well, I want to thank you for doing this. the work. It's really great information. Really brave, too, to go in there and, you know, record people and get inside there. You're obviously got something deep inside of you. What would, you know, how do we help this? Where, you know, where do you have hope here? Well, I do have hope that the stigma is starting to drop a little bit, you know, like John and Charmaine. It was so, you know,

it was hard for them to come here. But nowadays, there are so many people who've been affected. affected by this crisis, that that makes it easier for people to speak up. And even people in power, you know, politicians, judges, a lot of them know people who've been affected. So that's the, you know, one of the only silver linings. But really, like I said, you've got to talk to your kids. And we have to start looking into treatment programs. I'm making a documentary about an underused treatment drug called Naltrexone.

And basically it's like a force field. It's like a vaccine. So if you take this shot for 30 days, you're protected. You could take a whole syringe full of heroin or fentanyl and it bounces off you. You know, but this drug has been kind of stymied by big money interests and almost nobody uses it. So we actually have these tools at our disposal, but we're just not implementing them. Very interesting stuff. Do you have a website or ways that we can track the work that you're doing? Yeah, it's just Benwesthoff.com.

Okay. Well, thank you for your work. The book is Fentanyl, Inc. You know, look, if you have young children or you know people that do, I think this is really an important topic. As I said before, we're trying out some new things here at the High Wire. So right after this show, I'm going to sit down and we're going to put Ben and John and Sharma, remain in a seat altogether. I don't know that they've done that before and really get down to it. Is this an attack from China? Are they doing this on purpose? You know, what do they think when we all think tank together? Is there a solution? That's all going to be part of off the record, which is our brand new show. Take a look. And I'll see you next week.

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