The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 394: MARCH AGAINST THE MADNESS

Episode Date: October 19, 2024

Food Babe Leads March on Kellogg’s HQ; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on Replacement Migration and an Epidemic of Misplaced Children, COVID Mandates Coming Back, and a self-administered FluMist Fail?; Award...-winning Cardiologist who Risked All to Stand in His Oath, Release’s New Film, ‘First Do No Pharm’CancelKelloggs #nopharmfilmGuest: Dr. Aseem MalhotraBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Starting point is 00:00:44 Yeah. Let's do this. Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are out there in the world. It's time for us all to step out onto the high wire. Well, there are so many people waking up. There's a movement that's sweeping the world. about all the toxic chemicals that are in our air, our food, our water.
Starting point is 00:01:23 And, you know, this week, the High Wire just on Tuesday broadcast one of the sort of most intense, powerful, beautiful rallies we have seen yet. And they marched right up to the doors of Kellogg's to ask, is there a reason why you're poisoning our cereal more than the cereal, the same cereal that you give to other nations, that was at the heart of this rally and it looked a little bit like this. It's time for Kellogg's to do the right thing for American families. Kellogg's, do you hear me? Are you going to meet us? Today must be the start of a movement where food companies realize that the game is up. We have over 400,000 petitions to deliver to
Starting point is 00:02:20 Kellogg's today. Please let us in. You cannot turn your back on this many voices. We are here in Battle Creek. We see a battle backed by millions upon millions of dollars, waging war on the health and the well-being of our children. Kellogg's can and must do better. The health of our families should never come second to profit. No more shortcuts and no more excuses. You guys are dealing with so many things on a day-to-day basis when it comes to being a parent and worrying about poison in your children's food should never be one of them in the United States of America. As a medical doctor, but more importantly as a father, artificial dies and B.HT in our children's food are not okay. Kellogg's can do something right now.
Starting point is 00:03:13 It can lead. It can take these toxic ingredients out of their food. Let's let our voices be heard and Kellogg's do the right thing. Thank you. I am tired of being misled and manipulated about our food. I'm tired of companies compromising our health for profit. It is not anti-science to demand the same standards already being enforced in other countries. The majority of Americans don't even know that they're constantly exposed to thousands of untested ingredients that are actually banned or regulated in other countries. Right over the border, there's a box of fruit loops from Canada. that's colored naturally with carrot juice, blueberry juice, and watermelon juice.
Starting point is 00:03:54 The American version has four different artificial food dyes in the preservative BHT, which is an endocrine-disrupting chemical linked to cancer. We consume around 17 million pounds of food dyes per year. That's a 400% increase in the past 20 years alone. When I was born, zero states had a 20% obesity rate. Every single state has at least a 20% obesity rate. The media and the medical establishment seem to want you to believe that these changes are normal. We see what's going on out there.
Starting point is 00:04:30 It's the toxins. It's our environment. It's our food. There are 16 studies I read alone in the past few weeks that have demonstrated that consuming food dies in B.HT is linked to ADHD, allergies, asthma, gastrointestinal issues, Exema and learning disabilities and children. Disease is cured by the body itself, not by doctors or remedies. You know who said that?
Starting point is 00:04:58 The serial icon himself, John Harvey Kellogg. There's predatory things happening in our food system. And the message is, we can fix this. We are going to march to Kellogg's to deliver over 400,000 voices and demand they meet with us. Now everyone, you ready to march? I have a meeting and then we're gonna come out and we're gonna celebrate. I'm with corporate security and not a spoke person
Starting point is 00:06:22 to help facilitate the delivery of the petitions. Right. The domain is part access only so we can not let anybody into them. Okay, so you're not good. No one's gonna come in delivery. We don't have it. We will take these, I will take these where they need to go. And leadership will review them.
Starting point is 00:06:39 You can reach out to them online on the website through investor relations. So no one's willing to meet with us in person. I'm with corporate security. I'm not a spokesperson. I can't answer that question. Can you go to talk to your boss and see if you can talk to someone in there? I'm sure someone in the C-level executive suite will come out and talk to us.
Starting point is 00:06:56 I mean, we have 400,000 voices here on a petition. We've been calling, we've been emailing, we've been sending letters to your corporate headquarters to have a meeting and discussion. We have a shareholder right here that's being denied entry to the building to have a meeting. I appreciate your efforts. However, I will escalate this to leadership and they will respond again. So Kellogg's is going to turn their back on the American children today. I am just with corporate security and I'm not a spokesperson for Kellogg.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Not the corporate greed of Kellogg's right now. This is a slap in the face to every American children. Honestly, by this reaction, they've grossly mishandled this. They could have come out. There was only a few of us that were willing to peacefully talk to try to help them. They've been completely silent and the fact that they won't even invite Bonnie in to have a conversation and speaks volumes. I know that Kraft invited her in to have a conversation. So why isn't Kellogg's? Just have a conversation with us.
Starting point is 00:10:11 It's all that hard. I know the executives in this building then set up the system, but they are propagating a system. A system that is serving really harmful ingredients to kids. But they can change. We can change quickly. I want them to know that. Kellogg, I get it. They are a massive Titanic ship, but it's time to pivot. to pivot. It's time to evolve. It's time to do the right thing. So they have a choice right now. I am going to ask and plead with the American public that we now turn up the heat. And the fastest way to turn up to heat is just don't buy their stuff. Don't buy any of their stuff.
Starting point is 00:10:42 We need to vote with our wallet. So come on moms, let's cancel hellocks. The awareness of us coming here and delivering these petitions and continuing to spread this message will reach every single American in this country. and that is my goal from this day forward to get to every single American so they know the truth about our food industry. We're not going to stop. We're going to keep demanding change and we're going to lead the boycott on Kellogg's. Well, I mean, you know, for those of you, the thousands of you that were watching that live and over a thousand people that were there in person, what an amazing event and so many different emotions I felt while watching that. I mean, from the outrage that this is even possible, that what is supposed to be,
Starting point is 00:11:36 the greatest nation in the world will not protect its children as well as other nations do, their children. It's an abomination. And then to see these children that were there and then just chanting let us in and the fact that they didn't even allow a conversation, didn't bring Vani in, or any of the great speakers that were there. Every other time she's done this, they have brought her in. Maybe they think that's what the secret sauce is. Is everyone else that did talk to Vani ended up having to change their product, and we don't want to stop having a poison children, so don't let them in, and maybe we get away with this.
Starting point is 00:12:16 It's really a crime that we didn't see every news agency in the world broadcasting this. You know, where was CNN on this? Or even Fox, for that matter, hopefully they all find the footage and do what's right and start calling Kellogg's out. But I want to say this. As high wire viewers, you know you've got to do what's right. I'll wait. I'll give you time.
Starting point is 00:12:39 You can go into your covers right now and find every Kellogg's product that you happen to have in your house and go ahead and dump that in the garbage. Because we cannot allow. We cannot say, oh, our politicians have got to change this. And when are they going to clean up our regulatory agencies to fix this if we're not willing to go ahead and do what we need to do to be a part of this? We have got to boycott Kellogg's, cancel Kellogg's, if you will. It's very important that the people stand up and that we support our concern for our children.
Starting point is 00:13:10 We support good food, not poisonous food. This entire movement starts with us. It changes with us. This is how we assert our power. You vote with your dollars, and I hope that nobody watching this show will put a single red scent towards Kellogg's until they fix this mess and fix this product. I just want to thank all the people that, you know, stood out there in the cold, all the great speakers. I want to thank my staff for doing such a brilliant job. Can you imagine, not only are these heartless, dead souls that work at Kellogg's not speaking to the people out there and the children out there, but to put up a sign in the window that says, get off our lawn.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Really, it's a sad state affairs, but it just shows you what that company, who they high. and what they care about. Please don't let them near your kids any longer. We have a huge show coming up. I've got Asim, Dr. Asim Mahaltra, is going to be joining me in studio. He has a brilliant new documentary called First Do No Farm. And it's just a really important film that we're going to talk about, but that you should get everyone you know to watch because it explains how the corruption is done.
Starting point is 00:14:27 It's really about all of this research fraud and these medical journals and the lack of oversight by a regulatory agencies exemplified in a brilliant way. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. You know, it's amazing, Jeffrey. It's not like they didn't know Vonny was coming. We did a show with her a couple of weeks ago. She's been writing, emailing, sending phone calls. So this went all the way up the ladder. We now know that the heads of Kellogg said,
Starting point is 00:15:06 we don't care how many men, women, grandparents, and children show up. You do not let them in the door. We are not going to have this conversation. And that's where Kellogg stands. And it really leaves us with not a whole lot of options except to say never again. The corporations have so much hubris. They're used to having the upper hand all the time. So this is a change.
Starting point is 00:15:30 This is a paradigm change that they're swimming in and they're moving in right now. So we'll see how they act when a boycott actually. hurts their bottom line. We saw that with there. We saw that with Monsanto. We saw that with hormones for milk when they took that off the market. That is real change and this is what it looks like when it starts. Yeah, it's very exciting. And to Bonnie Harri and all the great people out there, it's just amazing, you know, citizens that just get involved and and do the right thing. It's an exciting time. Yeah. And one of the biggest conversations, not only in America, but other countries as well, is some of the results of the unchecked migration
Starting point is 00:16:06 coming into the countries. And remember, people that brought up anybody, whether it was government or media, that brought up legitimate concerns that surrounded this where, you know, let's take us through the kind of attacks. It was first it was a you're a racist, then it was your far right, whatever. But now something's changed.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Local media is actually being forced to cover these points in balanced ways. Take a look at this. All right. We're talking about the impact the migrant crisis is having on Massachusetts resources. New York City planning to get continue using Pricy Manhattan hotel rooms to house some of the city's 200,000 plus migrants.
Starting point is 00:16:42 The governor announced over the weekend she plans to turn a former state prison in Norfolk into an emergency shelter. Influx of migrants moving to Logan's board, causing some government officials there to speak out saying the current growth is not sustainable. More than 6,000 people still live in city-run migrant shelters. Since August of 2022, the city of Chicago has spent more than $400 million, according to the city's spending website. New York City going to close the Randalls Island migrant shelter by the end of February. However, the city is now looking for 14,000 hotel rooms to shelter migrants all the way through 2025. 25% of the city's hotel stock is now dedicated to migrants. That's an insane number. We got 150 right now, New York City hotels being taken over by migrants.
Starting point is 00:17:31 The cost is 2.3 billion. No, it's closer to five billion. For several months, we've been reporting on a hotel in Taunton that has really absorbed a lot of the migrants as they have come to our area in the Bay State there when they started showing up last April. That hotel was turned into an emergency shelter. Among those migrants are about 60 school-age children who are now in school in the city of Taunton. The overall growth of school enrollment jumped by nearly 150 kids. in three years. This year, there are 207 Haitian students in Logan'sport schools up from 14 in 2021. We got kids who go to school who cannot sit in a classroom. They've never had any kind of schooling. The language gap. The language barrier is a big challenge. I don't think our school system can contain that many and can sustain what they're doing right now. This story every time I watch it
Starting point is 00:18:27 I mean, I think of the movie Idiocracy Every Time. Only idiots would allow a nation decide to run a country this way. Let's just let hundreds, like just hundreds of thousands in New York alone. And that's a major city with
Starting point is 00:18:43 luckily enough hotels. Las Vegas would probably be a good stop, too. Let's see all the major cities, but then you have all the small towns. For what? For what? And you know the question I'm asking myself, Jeffrey, is honestly, like, What great atrocity is happening, you know, in these other countries of these people that need to come here that's worse than it was a year ago or five years ago or 10 years ago or 20 years ago?
Starting point is 00:19:08 I mean, I get it. There's other nations that have difficulties, but there's rules to how you come in here. There's rules on what you need to be able to provide and just giving up our hotels at top-rated expensive hotels. And guess what? Those hotels aren't taking a discount. You know for a fact they're not saying, oh, we'll take half price on everything. Go ahead and just have them move in here. You know they're paying top dollar for it.
Starting point is 00:19:34 This is just pure madness. Yeah, and it seems like the hotel owners probably are making a lot of money off this and guaranteed income as well because they don't have to shop on Expedia or wherever they go to make sure they can fill the rooms that night. And guaranteed, guaranteed when this is all over, our government, meaning we taxpayers are going to get a giant bill for new carpets, new paint, and total renovations of every single one of these hotels, one of them is finally all over when some sanity kicks in this country. And we saw a change in March of this year when outlets like CNN, who has been
Starting point is 00:20:13 just sympathetic to the Biden administration and almost a propaganda arm, never saying anything bad, started to write headlines like this. Joe Biden promised to absorb two million asylum seekers in a heartbeat in 2019, he now faces an immigration crisis. So that was kind of a signal that things were about to change. They needed to change. And you saw at that point, Mexico stepped up enforcement on their end, in their country of migrants coming across to the U.S. border. And then the Biden administration in June, just a couple months later after that article, tightened some of the asylum seeking restrictions for people coming. And in September now, just last month, the latest numbers, we're at an all-time low of,
Starting point is 00:20:53 border, they call them encounters, people still coming over the border. However, the last three to four years have looked like this. This is just the beginning of this year to give you an idea how close we are to this. Authorities encountering record number of migrants at the border each day amid unprecedented surge. And you know on the other side of this coin, there's this headline out of Newsweek USC's biggest yearly surge in immigrant population for 20 years. Now these are people that are coming legally and this is mostly from China, India, and Mexico. making up those numbers. So you have these two stories converging, illegal versus legal.
Starting point is 00:21:28 But one of the big stories is the parole program, and it's hitting small towns. And these are being affected downtrodden towns in the U.S., former mill towns that have closed and they never really restarted back up, things like that. This is the headline, how 2,000 Haitian migrants change Rust Belt Town of Charleroy, Pennsylvania. How did that happened? Well, for the last two years, there's been what's called a mass parole program for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans. And collectively, it's called the CHMB program. And that was paused. So how that worked was if you're in one of those countries, you can basically just fill out a form, answer some questions, and you get a ticket to fly anywhere you want
Starting point is 00:22:14 into the United States, and then you'll have to show up at some point for a parole, you know, immigration check to see if you can stay in the country. But you get a ticket. You get that plane ticket and you can come here. And that program was paused in August for three weeks because massive fraud was shown. People were filling out the same address on thousands of forms. You had people answering the same questions, exactly the same on tens of thousands of forms. So I mean, it was a rubber stamp process, but nonetheless, they started it back up. And you can see here in this program, this is the Customs and Border Patrol's own website.
Starting point is 00:22:49 It says through the end of August 2024, nearly 530,000 Cuban stations. Nicaraguans and Venezuelans arrived lawfully on commercial flights or granted parole under these processes. The reason this was formed is by the administration that said, hey, maybe if we do this, people won't be legally across the border trying to get into the country. So this thing was, this commercial flight program, parole program was surged. And what was happening was the the people coming from this program were being placed in these towns. And so now you get stories like this. This is out of the city journal just last week. It's called a troubled place In Charlotte, Pennsylvania, the local population grapples with a surge of Haitian migrants.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Now, there's just over 4,000 people in this town, so they're being inundated with about 2,000 Haitians, according to local officials. So you can understand what that does. And it says in this article in recent years, a debate has raged about, quote, replacement migration, which has left some left-wing critics have dubbed a racist conspiracy theory, but in Charlotte-Roy, replacement is plain reality. And what are they talking about with that? Remember, in 2000, we covered this several times on the show.
Starting point is 00:23:53 There's a United Nations document made from their population division, the Department of Economic and Social Affairs from the UN, and it's literally called replacement migration. And it's kind of just wargaming these scenarios. Well, we can probably do this, but we're going to have to make sure the social and political fabric of these regions can absorb this and are ready for this. But I think we can do this because they say they need to help economies because of an aging population. So we need to bring in all of these migrant families and everybody so that can keep the
Starting point is 00:24:25 economy up. And that same talking point, a lot of people say, well, that's a conspiracy theory, but it's interesting because that same talking point is on the lips of people in major power positions in our government. One of them, Chuck Schumer, Senate Majority Leader, take a listen to this. The only way we're going to have a great future in America is if we welcome and embrace immigrants, the dreamers, and all of them, because our ultimate goal is to help the dreamers, but get a path to citizenship for all 11 million or however many undocumented. There are here. 11 million an hour, whatever, I've lost count.
Starting point is 00:25:01 The only way. The only way. Look, I mean, we know we have a melting pot in America is what makes it beautiful. But to allow illegal, you know, migration, like you have no border. And I've been to the border, by the way. There's nothing happening there except, all right. and they come across with no ID. We don't know who they are.
Starting point is 00:25:21 We don't ask to figure it out. We put them on planes, ship them all over the country. It's purely crazy. And then to say the solution then is to just give them citizenship, because that's going to really halt the on-flowing march towards our country. I mean, at some point, you've got to say it doesn't work this way. You're not going to be allowed in. You've got to go a legal route like any other intelligent nation or business would run its front.
Starting point is 00:25:48 front door. Maybe we should put the heads of Kellogg's on our border and they can block migrants from coming in since they'll block children who are just trying to ask for healthy food. So you have these people in power positions like Biden, like Chuck Schumer there. And they're saying what they're saying and they're allowing these surges to happen. They're saying we need to legalize everyone. However they get here, we legalize them. But then there's a whole other structure. Should we go back to the city journal article and we look and it talks about the NGO. And the non-governmental organizations, they're providing the migrants coming here with resources. They're called National Resettlement agencies. And it says in this article, these agencies are affiliated with more than 340 local offices nationwide
Starting point is 00:26:31 and have received some 5.5 billion in new awards since 2021. And because they are technically non-governmental institutions, they are not required to disclose, detailed information about their operations. So again, at almost every level, you see a lot of secrecy here, not, a lot of official reporting. And the scale of sophistication we're seeing, you know, we see that UN document and people
Starting point is 00:26:55 say, well, that was just an idea. And now you're seeing a lot of people come over the border. Well, they're just trying to escape, you know, their country because there's bad things happening there. But there is this major level of official sophistication all the way from the Darian Gap. We have Michael Jan on to talk about that all the way to the United States. And it's at every level this has been set up and coordinated, you know, really with a fine-toothed So we look at this map. This is for the fiscal year of 2024 with these resettlement agencies.
Starting point is 00:27:22 You can see how many there are here in the United States. There's a handful of churches, but there's also a lot of U.S. Committee for refugee immigrants. So directly government-funded agencies that are working through this. But what's happening in Charlotte Roy, there's meatpacking company. This is just kind of one of the symptoms, but we're seeing it played out in a larger format throughout the country. One of the local media here is saying feds investigating company that supplies immigrant workers for Charlotte White Meat Packing Plant.
Starting point is 00:27:52 So they're investigating a staffing firm called Prosperity that's hiring undocumented migrants for a company called Fourth Street Foods. This is a major American-wide meatpacking industry. And the court documents are showing that they're paying these undocumented workers cash under the table. They're housing them. Lots of people in one house.
Starting point is 00:28:13 They're busting them back and forth to work. In fact, they found almost a million dollars in cash when the feds raided the head of this staffing agency. So there's a lot of shady stuff going on here. So it seems like it's blossoming in these cottage industries of people taking advantage of the fact that these people are here illegally. Also going on, let's move away from Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 00:28:35 We have Logan Sport, Indiana, headlines, same thing coming out of there. Loganport officials say immigrant population growth, unsustainable. But this is another angle here, talking about resources and impacts on communities. It says in the article, Cass County Health Department
Starting point is 00:28:51 administer Serenity Alter told the Cass County commissioners during their September meeting that new students are coming to Logan Sport schools in large numbers. A lot of them are coming unaccompanied, Alter said. Altar sits in a meeting with the new children enrolled in the school district and hears directly from the children
Starting point is 00:29:09 as they describe their journey to the city. Quote, they fly from Haiti to Nicaragua to Mexico and then to the state they are flying to in the US, she said, some have not seen their parents in seven years. It's an eye-opener. Wow. So, Del, this is one of the big conversations here. Whether you like what's going on, you don't like what's going on, it should matter.
Starting point is 00:29:30 Because this story, this story I'm about to cover here is the big black eye on this issue that no one can look away from. It should just cut right through party lines. This is the headline here. It went and gone, it came and went. Not a lot of people reported on it. Biden-Parris administration loses track of 300 120,000 migrant children with untold numbers at risk of sex trafficking forced labor.
Starting point is 00:29:51 In the article, it says as of May 2024, there are 291,000 migrant children who arrived in the U.S. as unaccompanied minors who were set free and never given a date to appear in immigration court, meaning there's no way to track their whereabouts. It goes on to say that is in addition to 32,000 children that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement authorities released into the U.S. with hearing dates, but then failed to show in court, according to the 14-page report, which tracked a period from October 2018 to September 2020. So we go to that report. And again, this report is not a politically charged report.
Starting point is 00:30:27 It's not made by a right-wing or left-wing group. It's made by the actual Inspector General's office of the Department of Homeland Security. So it's made in August. So just a couple months ago of 2024. And this was under the headline, it was an alert. So this was like, hey, you've got to pay attention to this. And they concluded this, based on our audit work, and according to ICE officials, unaccompanied UCs, is unaccompanied migrant children who did not appear in immigration court are considered more at risk for
Starting point is 00:30:54 trafficking, exploitation, or forced labor. They know this, and they're saying this is an alert. Immigration court hearings are often ICE's only opportunity to observe and screen unaccompanied migrant children for trafficking indicators or other safety concerns, but not issuing NTAs, those are noticed to appears, to all UCs. ICE limits its chances of having contact with unaccompanied migrant children when they are released from HHS's custody, which reduces opportunities to verify their safety. So they're basically saying, look, you drop the ball here and there's a lot of children at risk.
Starting point is 00:31:27 We have no way to verify their safety. You have no idea what's going on with them. And from our understanding of how this works at the border, there is a huge risk that these children are being trafficked, forced labor, or even worse. Wow. I mean, that's really the horrifying part of this. And for anyone that says, oh, it's a humanitarian way to handle it. I'm telling you, as I've said, have been down to the border. We are letting the drug cartels run our border policy. Women and children are being raped, you know, on their journey here. And you hear all of these stories, these children, you know, what they just admitted to there, that some of these children haven't seen their parents in years, then, who have they been seeing? What coyotes are using them? We hear these stories of the same kids. I say we see the same kids being used by different families as they come across the border. And then how many do end up getting sent to an address that is just trafficking them for God knows what horror.
Starting point is 00:32:28 And somehow we look the other way is that this is just the best we can do in a modern society. It's the greatest country in the world. You know, I need to move on because this issue is one that is just really so disturbing because, you know, you think of your own children. You think of, you know, what life you want every child to be able to experience. This is just not what we should be representing. All right, Jeffrey. Let's move to the conversation that we've obviously been reporting on for a long time. That's the vaccine conversation.
Starting point is 00:33:04 COVID's over, right? So a lot of people are saying, wow. that was crazy. That was pretty crazy the last four years. Let's go back to our real life and just forget that whole thing happened. But that's not what we do here at the high wire. We continue to look at what's going on here because we're on this story way before COVID had been hit. And we look at Ireland at this point. Now, Ireland's become a pharmaceutical hub. Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, and about 10 other pharmaceutical companies have set up shop there. And so whenever that happens, we saw this in Italy too before the pandemic. You see bills start
Starting point is 00:33:35 to be, you know, mold over. And in Northern Ireland, this was the headline coming out. Northern Ireland government consults on mandatory vaccines. So they're looking at a bill right now to give mandatory vaccines during any type of health emergency. Public is up in arms. But it's not just in Ireland far, far away from where we're sitting right now. This is happening also in California. You're seeing this re-roll back to these pandemic years. Washington Times, in fact, back to the future. California, counties imposed seasonal mask mandate on health care workers. They're saying they can keep those masks on up until next spring of 2025. So just because of COVID and flu, that's the excuse. There's the double-covid flu season. We need to really be protected and prepared.
Starting point is 00:34:19 But one of the biggest stories that really grabbed my attention over this past week or two was this, and this is out of stat news. Everyone's celebrating this. FDA approves first at-home flu vaccine in U.S. a nasal spray. And I thought, at-home flu vaccine, nasal spray. I think we've seen this before and looking into the article, and sure enough, it's flu mist. And if you don't remember, this is also flu mist from 2016. Take a listen. Right. A CDC expert panel says people should not use the popular nasal flu vaccine during the upcoming flu season. The CDC's Immunization Advisory Panel says the data shows the flu mist nasal flu vaccine doesn't work. In children between the ages of and 17, the nasal flu vaccine was only 3% effective.
Starting point is 00:35:06 They need an injectable vaccine this year. That's their option. So come this fall, parents will have two options. Get their kids the flu shot or no vaccine at all. I remember this. So, you know, we went to the CDC as we did for, you know, for years going to the advisory committee on immunization practices meetings. When they were looking to whether they were going to re-up the approval for the flu mist,
Starting point is 00:35:34 after it had completely failed, but they didn't want to lose it as a technology. And I've never seen anything like it. The whole conversation, I remember, ended up being, well, if, like, from the members, you know, they're all doctors. Like, so if I approve it, if we approve it, there's a way to prove it, but not recommend it, like, some form of, like, we approve it, but we don't think it actually works very well. Like, that was literally the conversation. Like, well, actually, no, once you approve it, it's on the recommended schedule.
Starting point is 00:36:02 and they just did it anyway. I got on a microphone and said, you are destroying all the credibility that you have as the CDC. This is it. You've talked about like a universal flu shot, and you're going to put this crapper back on the market? I mean, here, take a look at this.
Starting point is 00:36:16 It was an outrageous moment. Adele Bigtree. I'm here for the informed consent action network. I was previously a producer on the daytime talks for the doctors for six years where I won an Emmy Award. And I think what's being missed in this discussion is public perception.
Starting point is 00:36:31 It's a very difficult discussion you're having and watching it's very informative and no one would want to be having to make the choice you're making. But what I want to point out is that removing flumist was a big story in this country. And unlike other choices you make, the public is very aware that it was taken away. So when you put it back, the media is going to be very interested in why. And when you have to discuss why as the CDC, your response looks very flimsy to me that, well, they've changed the H1N1. there's no proof of its effectiveness, we're going to go ahead and recommend it. We're talking about at a time where the question of influenza vaccines effectiveness, period, is in massive questions in this country. Everyone's hoping to see a better vaccine, a more effective vaccine, maybe a
Starting point is 00:37:16 universal vaccine, and when we find out ASIP is just approving an old vaccine that may still be ineffective, maybe even worse than ineffective, or what is currently being used, I really question whether you're going to do serious damage to the perception of ASIP and what you're doing here and the CDC and what it decides to approve, you know, approve or not approve. The country is looking for a better vaccine, not one that may possibly be less effective than one we're using now. Thank you very much. Anyway, not that I, you know, think that a universal flu shot's a great idea or anything, but you're just calling them out on you don't even, you know, you don't and stay within the parameters of your own logic. You are destroying everyone's confidence to you,
Starting point is 00:38:01 especially the people that's supposed to believe in you. And so here it is. The flu mist is back. The world's least effective product that's ever been made. And think about during COVID, the world woke up to how bad ASIP, the Furback Committee for the FDA, they rubber stamp these vaccines. So think about such a high bar for something to get pulled off the market. And this is, you know, But this is like a time capsule now of this rare event. Take a look at these headlines. This is when it happened. Flumus, no spray vaccine doesn't work this year.
Starting point is 00:38:32 Experts say, you go in there and it says, this 3% estimate of effectiveness means no protective benefit could be measured, said the CDC. It's not even clear why it hasn't worked. We can't even measure it. We don't know why it doesn't work. No clue, but we're going to take it off the market. We have NPR that favorite outlet saying flumists have slipped from
Starting point is 00:38:54 preferred to pass A. I mean, everyone was just piling on this thing. But then Time Magazine, 2018, you had this new shift and it's back on the market. And it's been there since. Nasal flu vaccine is set to come back this year. So the really big part of this story, though, flumice is back on, back off, back on is the government created vaccine hesitancy during COVID. And that's what it was. That's what the science shows. People do not want to run for those vaccines anymore. So the vaccine makers, public health officials are looking for ways to get these flu vaccines into people. And this is the, with Flumus, this is the point. A nasal spray you can, you can order at home. You go online. Here's the actual online for Master Zeneca, the actual website with with Flumiss home,
Starting point is 00:39:40 get your flu vaccine delivered. So you just fill out a form, then they'll send it right to your house. You can shoot up your nose or shoot up your kid's nose. And that's where we're at right now. So they're trying to get these things into people's hands in any way possible. And what the flu vaccine, the flu mask vaccine is working on is mucosal immunity. So that's the immunity you have in your nasal track, down your, down your throat, and all the way through. And that is what it shoots into your nose and tries to affect that. Because it has its own immune system in that track, as opposed to shooting in your arm and have like systemic reactions throughout your whole body.
Starting point is 00:40:14 It reminds me of the fluoride conversation. It's like, do you want to drink fluoride for the rest of your life for your teeth or put it on your teeth? Either way, it's kind of a neurotoxin, but that's a side story. So we go into the studies in 2016 because they're shooting a live attenuated flu virus up your nose, basically, and it's a weakened flu virus. So that's, you know, no problem, right? Well, there's a study, 2016 reversion of cold adapted, live attenuated influence of vaccine into a pathogenic virus.
Starting point is 00:40:42 And it says by propagating the virus under well-controlled laboratory conditions, we found that the flumus vaccine backbone could regain virulence. to cause severe disease in mice. So there are studies showing that this thing will regain. I mean, it reminds me of the oral polio vaccine. You know, it's just going to say that, yeah. Yeah, it's regaining virulence once it gets back into the, you know, circulation. But you go to the Fumis own vaccine insert.
Starting point is 00:41:08 This is the patient leaflet vaccine insert. And it gives all the studies and shedding is all over that, all over that insert. It talks about it's shedding a lot because that's the thing this is known to do. You put it up your nose and some of it comes out a little bit into the public. And one of the tables here really encapsulates this from a study. And you can see here in this table, it shows the age, the number of subjects, and the percentage of these subjects that are shedding. And you can see for children all the way up to five to eight year old, you're looking at 89% of them are shedding this. 69% are shedding.
Starting point is 00:41:39 50% of 5 to 8 year olds are shedding. Now, if you go across there, it says percent is shedding after day 11. So it doesn't last very long, but after they get this, they will be shedding. And it's important to note that this FDA approval for this flu mist at home is for kids over two years old. Because in the studies, kids under two years old, there was increased hospitalizations after they had the actual flu mists. So they're not touching that category at all. But we're talking about a new class of vaccines that it looks like they're at least trying to shift to because I'm going to say because of government sponsored and government created vaccine hesitancy. during COVID, you have headlines like this now. Combined COVID flu vaccines are coming. So they're trying
Starting point is 00:42:25 to patch them all in one. Moderna jabs clears major tests. So like the MMR or the DTP or any of these bundled vaccines, they're not going to start bundling flu, COVID and all of these other vaccines, maybe even RSV, into one shot for the cold and flu season because people are not showing up for these anymore. And the government's not paying subsidies to get people COVID vaccine jab for free anymore. But one of the other ones, this is in Scientific America. This was on the headlines here. New nasal vaccines offer better protection from COVID and flu. No needle needed.
Starting point is 00:42:58 They're also talking about RSV being a nasal, like flumice type vaccine and other vaccines for diseases. So there's also a shift. You know, we had the mRNA technology, but we have this other class of vaccines. They're going to see if they can do nasal vaccines. So this is a whole separate class of these type of respiratory. diseases that are all looking towards nasal vaccines. And if you get this kind of like mail order home delivery service, you can get it on, you know, Amazon or DoorDash or whatever, there's this new pipeline that's coming. And you've got to wonder how that's going to affect, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:31 reporting of adverse events all the way down the line. If your parents are giving legal issues, if the parents are giving it to the kid and the kid gets injured, I mean, it seems like a nightmare, but this is something people need to really understand this major paradigm shift that's happening kind of with this Fumas vaccine. I mean, it's crazy. And some of the ways we worry about the self-spreading vaccine, but the way this thing sheds, the fact that it can lead to getting back to virulence, which usually happens upon shedding, which is what we've seen with the oral polio vaccine that's causing polio now around the world. Water in New York City is now testing positive for polio because of these programs that are not working the way everyone
Starting point is 00:44:09 expected them to work. You know, and you just see how insane this whole thing's getting. I'm imagining at some point, you know, Jeffrey, we could go into business. We could just jump ship, you know, and just get, I think a plug-in, like the plug-in air freshener, just a plug-in vaccine. So I just have flu mist, just spraying in my house. I just plug it in all day long. And if I go into my bedroom, I got COVID, you know, plugged into the wall and, you know, RSV, and just give me some smallpox, too, just, I'm always made immune because it's just always around me. It makes perfect sense. But you know what's ironic about this, Jeffrey, all those doctors that push this vaccine and push the randesivir and, and, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:48 and pushed, you know, putting you in a coma, basically, on oxygen machines during COVID. What has really happened is not, what it looks to me is not necessarily that we've lost confidence in the vaccine. They apparently believe we've just lost confidence in doctors. And if we take doctors out of the equation and just start shipping it right to you, maybe we could just have a direct from Farmer to you pipeline and get these pesky doctors out of the way. Guess what, doctors? You did this to yourself. You did this by listening to these people.
Starting point is 00:45:19 You did this by becoming nothing more than a kiosk in this world. You are so useless at your job. You are Dr. Google going, what is pharma telling me I'm supposed to give? Guess what? We don't need you anymore. You're useless to America. Farmers realize that, and that's where this whole thing's going. So if you're a doctor and you want us to care about you, why do you stand up for citizens against pharma and say, you know what?
Starting point is 00:45:41 Maybe we should change your diet. Maybe you should try some exercise. Maybe you shouldn't eat so much synthetic food and definitely get off the Kellogg's and the rainbow crunch, would you? I mean, that's being a doctor if you want to be taken seriously in the future. And this is like you just said, this is the logical end to doctors following orders, not questioning anything. They're, you know, over the past years, they were trying to allow dentists and podiatrists and all their types of medical professionals to start giving vaccines. They were trying to eliminate parental consent to get them out of the picture so doctors can give more vaccines. None of that. None of that worked.
Starting point is 00:46:14 So this is, we're just going to deliver it right to people. Let's just forget about the licensed medical professionals. Yeah. They're done. Yeah. What are you there for? Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. Well done.
Starting point is 00:46:24 All right, Jeffrey. Great reporting. Amazing. Frustrating, infuriating, ridiculous. But I feel a horizon. I feel a sunrise coming. I think we're waking up. I think there's so many people watching the show.
Starting point is 00:46:39 They're sharing this information. And everywhere you go now, you can have this conversation. You can bring it up at any dinner table, frankly. And everyone's like, I know, it's insane. Why is our country not protecting us? Why do they not care about our children? Why do they care about our borders? So we're not far away from change now that it's on everyone's lips.
Starting point is 00:46:58 Jeffrey, great work, as always. I'll see you next week. All right, thanks, though. All right, in case you weren't infuriated enough, we've got a legal update. You know, we're always doing these, you know, FOIA request to figure out, you know, what is it our government is lying to us about? We ask really specific questions. One of them, remember when Tony Fauci had, like,
Starting point is 00:47:20 his chief of staff basically just come out and out that they were, like, you know, burning emails. Like, oh, no, they trained me. Fauci trained me how to erase an email so it could never be found by FOIA. Well, we thought, you know what? He seems like a real first-class idiot. I'll bet you he missed an email or two.
Starting point is 00:47:40 FOIA them anyway. and this is what happened. We're told to trust the experts. We were told to give up our livelihoods, our ability to send our children to school, to ride public transportation, to engage in everyday American life based on what quote unquote public health experts
Starting point is 00:48:03 decided that day we all needed to do for the last few years. We've been, as you know, submitting Freedom of Information Act requests to federal health authorities to see exactly how do these experts operate behind the scenes. And we got an email that I believe is incredibly revealing exactly how they operate.
Starting point is 00:48:23 In a recent congressional hearing, a senior advisor to Dr. Anthony Poucher revealed, shockingly, that he was coached how to destroy documents that were problematic before responding to Freedom of Information Act requests from members of the public. The very tool that the public uses to see, what are the people who take all their tax dollars doing with their money? What are they doing day to day? Well, despite the fact that this senior advisor was coached to destroy emails, we were instructed to delete emails frequently because they jammed the computer. It looks like he forgot to delete a pretty important one that we were able,
Starting point is 00:49:01 on behalf of the Informant Action Network I can, to get a copy of. This email shows exactly how quote-unquote public health experts operate and operated not only during the pandemic, but for decades before that. before that with regards to the data related to mortality, vaccines, and so forth. In this exchange, you have Fauci's chief of staff asking essentially the senior advisor at NIH about the reliability relating to the mortality data for influenza as a way to gauge, well, how reliable is the COVID-19 mortality data?
Starting point is 00:49:38 Let's take a look at this email and just go sentence by sentence because every word is incredibly revealing. Greg, please keep this confidential, but you should know that for over a decade, the flu folks in CDC have shockingly messed up their tabulations of flu mortality. We discovered five to 10 years ago that various web page and published data
Starting point is 00:50:01 were totally inconsistent and could only be explained by major uncought errors. Apparently, various folks in the flu division made and put up and published mutually inconsistent figures based on differing, subjective assumptions. Several years ago, maybe four or five, we reached out to the top flu people at CDC informing them that their own data were problematic, that as a sister agency, we did not want to draw attention to it,
Starting point is 00:50:34 but work with them privately to fix and reconcile the problems. So let's stop there for a moment. So there have been incredible problems. problems. In fact, shocking problems with the mortality data related to influenza. The very data that rely upon to mandate that vaccine, push that vaccine, spend billions of dollars or taxpayer money to buy them and take away people's civil rights around that vaccine. And NIH caught that error and it wanted to tell CDC about it. But how did it go about telling the CDC?
Starting point is 00:51:03 It said, wait, wait, wait, we're a sister agency, so we're going to quietly hide it from the public. Well, let's see what the CDC does. Let's keep reading the email. At first, the top officials at CDC were grateful and set up a mechanism to work with us. But then when they discovered the depths of their own mistakes, they did the usual CDC thing and circled wagons, refused to return calls and emails, et cetera. We didn't pursue things, but were left unsettled.
Starting point is 00:51:32 So let's get this straight. They reach out to the CDC. And because the problem was so bad, the CDC did, quote unquote, the, you know, usual thing. Bury the problem, not fix it. And what did the NIH do? Did the NIH blow the whistle to the public say, hey, all this data is wrong? No. They left it untouched too. Let's continue with the e-bail. To repeat, this was at the level of CDC's flu leadership, meaning he's saying this isn't just some low-level folks of the CDC. This is at the very top, the very top where they bury the false data. I think we have to accept that they have to.
Starting point is 00:52:11 serious issues and have not fixed them." This is just one email, probably one of the few that didn't get deleted by this senior advisor as he was coached to do as he admitted to Congress. And what it reveals is incredibly shocking. And what did Fauci said when this was pointed out to him when he entered into this email chains? He says, quote, we really need to talk about this. Does this impact their calculations regarding COVID-19, etc.?
Starting point is 00:52:40 Meaning, have they fixed their problem? Question mark, question mark, question mark. Well, the answer to that question is clear. The answer is no. They email we just read made clear they haven't fixed the problem for decades with regards to flu data. And no doubt they won't fix it with regards to mortality data with relation to COVID-19.
Starting point is 00:53:01 And that's because they have a policy. They're not a health organization. They're not science organizations. They're a government organization. They set their policy. The policy is vaccines, all vaccines are safe and effective. Any data that stands in the way of their messaging of their policy, well, we just read exactly what they do.
Starting point is 00:53:19 When there are issues with it, they just bury it. And that's why no civil or individual rights should ever be contingent of the opinions, conclusions. Feel free folks at the CDC and other agencies to recommend, but never mandate. Because if you do, ICAN is there to support fights against every single one of your mandates. Remember where those children show, these are the people in
Starting point is 00:53:50 your government, in your government, how they're screwing you over. It's amazing. It's amazing these people send these emails. It's fantastic that they forget that they did. And here we are. I can outing them once again. Where else you get this much fun? I mean, seriously, you can watch a lot of network news
Starting point is 00:54:12 and you can listen to the headline repeated all day long. And he's, These pundit comes along every hour, top of the hour, like a clock, the same story. But they never get anywhere. They never change anything. But we do. We actually bring lawyers to the cause, and we go in and we get those emails, and we show you those emails. And then when those emails are so egregious, we sue them.
Starting point is 00:54:38 And we're having a blast doing it. We've won against NIA, CDC, Health and Human Services, the FDA. The list goes on and on. We're going to get into the EPA and all these other issues. We've now got the fluoride attorney that's going to get fluoride out of water. We're just getting bigger, bad, or prouder every single week, only because of you, though. And by the way, there is so much work to be done in order to keep our kids from being poisoned. To keep you from being poisoned.
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Starting point is 00:57:15 all the whistleblowers in the world are ringing our phone off the hook. They're like, can we get on the high wire? I know, I know. I used to make fun of you a couple of times when you reached out to me first, but all these scientists are lining up because they're realizing, wait, you know, the high wire's got this amazing audience, and they spread the word when they hear the truth. Well, one of the great scientists that's out there in doctors
Starting point is 00:57:38 that's been so outspoken, Just rocked it out there in England. Dr. Assim Mahatra has got a brand new documentary. It's amazing. It's powerful. And you can watch it now. Here's just a preview. Take a look. Between 2003 and 2016, fines imposed on large pharmaceutical companies for fraud and other illegal activities amounted to $33 billion. You have to do something. We are considered acceptable collateral. damage. We're talking about many millions of people killed by research fraud in medical science. Between 40,000 and 60,000 Americans died. So this is like approximately equal to the number of Americans who died in the Vietnam War
Starting point is 00:58:31 died from taking Vioxx. We need to apply quite a big dose of skepticism to the medical literature. They know they might get a million dollars, for example, for publishing the trial. And that I don't really see how you can manage that as a case. conflict of interest. You are going to be obliterated if you take on this position. I effectively lost my job. The thing you care about is I don't want to lose my memory. I want to be able to do the things I normally do in life. That's what Alzheimer's with Robs you are. The FDA is not going to protect doctors and the public and the insurers and Medicare from this
Starting point is 00:59:05 deception about the clinical value of this drug. If you knew, why didn't you do anything? patient began to verbalize feelings of killing other people and then himself they are now out of control as an entity that is purely there to make money a psychopathic entity well it's a brand new documentary by dr asim mahotra called first do no farm it's amazing and i'm honored to be joined by dr mahalra right now it's great to be back now it's really great having you and this is i feel I feel like this is a culmination of a story that I've been covering for over a decade. Even back when I was working on the doctor's television show, this whole research fraud issue is the heart of all of the problems we have with harm caused by drug companies, whether it's vaccines or drugs, in this case, really discussing drugs. And I was sort of shocked, you know, to see that, you know, we know, we know, you know,
Starting point is 01:00:17 you on this show as having really been outspoken about the dangers of the COVID vaccine, but you were in hot water years ago with the statin issue. Yeah, absolutely. I think you've hit the nail on the head, Adele, actually. So we can't fix people's health or health care until we correct commercial distortions of the scientific evidence. So what this movie tries to betray, I think, quite effectively is the layers on which doctors are making clinical decisions on corrupted information.
Starting point is 01:00:51 And what is the root cause of that? We can't offer meaningful solutions until we get to the root cause. And if you take the example of statins, which one of the most prescribed, if not one of the most lucrative drugs in the history of medicine, I mean, it's a trillion-dollar industry, estimated to be prescribed to between 200 million and a billion people worldwide. That's just incredible. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:01:14 One-seventh of the population. Absolutely. Feels like they're alive on, they're being told they're alive on this planet because they're taking this drug. Yeah. And the reality, as you know, Del, is that, and this is where I got heavily involved as a cardiologist trying to understand why have we not really curbed heart disease despite the so-called advances in medical science. And when I went down that rabbit hole, partly through my own experience with patients as well, who are getting side effects, which were much more common compared to what I was reading in the medical literature. As a doctor, I was diagnosing it a lot more common. I thought there's something not right here.
Starting point is 01:01:48 And when I looked at the statin issue, the first thing is, when you look at the actual efficacy, the benefit, and patients are not told this, they are best about one for people who haven't had a heart attack. Because most people who prescribe statins, the benefit of taking it from drug industry sponsored trials, Dell, which we know are also already corrupted in terms of going to give you the best case scenario, is one in 100 in preventing a non-fatal heart attack or stroke without prolonging your life. And the problem is patients are not told that and they're not empowered with that information. Right. So I... So just be clear one percent of people will really see a benefit from this drug. Can I look at it that way? Because I know these numbers get like pushed around. Absolutely. That is in people, in most people prescribed it who haven't had a heart attack. Who haven't had a heart attack, right? You're just being told you have high blood pressure. You're pre, you know, you have a... You're at risk.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Yeah, absolutely. Okay. And that's likely still best case scenario because that's still an interpretation of drug industry sponsored trials. That's the best bow they could put on it. If they don't get side effects. Clearly, I know this for a fact. There's people watching the show right now no matter how healthy you are. I'm shocked that I'll run into friends
Starting point is 01:02:59 that have perfectly great diets, jog all the time, and it'll come out like they're on a statin. And I'm just thinking why, what you're saying is at least 99 out of 100 people are taking this product that is doing nothing for them, probably putting them at a higher risk or other issues.
Starting point is 01:03:17 Absolutely. I mean, that's another good point. So one is they're not told. Right. It's not going to benefit them. Likely not to benefit them. And then a lot of them, and obviously you mentioned people that are following healthy lifestyles, but a lot of people have the illusion of protection from a statin.
Starting point is 01:03:30 I've seen patients come in who are, you know, obese, who think their cholesterol is low. I can go and eat a fast food joint on a regular basis. Yeah. And that actually, so the overall net effect, in my view for those patients is negative. And that's something I got really heavily involved in. I published a paper in 2013 in the British Medical Journal, which was called saturated fat is not the major issue. So I went into the whole cholesterol hypothesis.
Starting point is 01:03:53 I looked at the data, analyzed all of the totality of evidence as a doctor who has not had any links whatsoever with the drug industry, is not influenced by that, is purely motivated by making my patients better. And when I published this paper in the BMJ, they peer reviewed it. It was an analysis, opinion piece if you like. And it got press release, it made news headlines around the world. I said we've also overprescribed statins to millions of people. And we should be focusing more on sugar rather than saturated fat.
Starting point is 01:04:22 We should look at benefits of, say, a low-carb diet for type 2 diabetes, how we can reverse these conditions with lifestyle. And that was great at the beginning, big, you know, front page of three British newspapers. I was on Fox News, Chicago, CNN International. But then there was a backlash. And that backlash really was the first time I, experienced a real threat to my career and my credibility where the chief scientist in the world behind statins, whose department in Oxford has received hundreds of millions from drug companies
Starting point is 01:04:51 that manufactured statins, although that wasn't declared in the news articles, basically called for attraction saying that we had exaggerated. Me and John Abramson had written a similar piece in the BMJ about, you know, just about statins and people at low risk of heart disease. He said that we had exaggerated the side effect profile and that people would stop taking their statins and people would die. And interestingly, Del, he liked. He said this was basically far worse than what happened with the MMR and Andrew Wakefield issue.
Starting point is 01:05:17 That's ironic. So that was that that's what they try and use that as a smearing tactic. And ultimately the British Medical Journal editor got under so much pressure. She didn't want to retract. She said, listen, you can publish a rebuttal. Right. And we obviously draw it into this in the documentary. And in the end it, where he went to the media, there was a huge media sort of circus around it.
Starting point is 01:05:38 She was put under pressure. She then sent it for an independent review. And in effect, at that stage in 2013, Dell, myself and Dr. John Abramson from Harvard, were effectively on trial for whether or not these articles should be retracted. And if it went down that route of being retracted, it was career destroying. Luckily, we stood our ground, you know, we provided more evidence and, you know, six zero in our failure, unanimous decision, no call for retraction. But at that point, Dell, I rather than be scared off, because a lot of people would think, you know, that's, I'm not going to go there again. I lost my job as well. So even though you're proved to, you were right.
Starting point is 01:06:17 Yeah. How did you lose your job? What did they say to? Well, actually, even before the so-called call for attraction in the trial, the medical director of the hospital I was working in London, and I was their interventional cardiology fellow. So I was the guy who was the top trainee doing all heart stents. That was what I trained in interventional cardiology.
Starting point is 01:06:35 He called me to his office. First of all, he was very angry about this piece being published saying that, you know, suggesting that our cardiac patients can eat butter. I mean, that can imagine that's what he's getting angry about, actually. But then the chief cardiologist had a conversation with me and said, you've been very vocal on this issue about statins. If you carry on talking about it in the media,
Starting point is 01:06:54 then we may have to cut your contract short. And I wasn't going to stop, Dell, because for me it's about informed consent. It's about ethical evidence-based medical practice. That's all I care about. So I think there was a few other media stories or interviews I got involved in. And then I got this letter saying that we've cut short
Starting point is 01:07:10 your contract from, you know, with two months notice. I was effectively jobless at that point. Luckily, I had very influential doctors who were, you know, supportive of me being involved in the obesity campaign. I was representing the medical or colleges separately. And they gave me some work to do with them, that at least gave me a little bit of a part-time salary. But I ended up working in the National Health Service for free.
Starting point is 01:07:36 Another hospital came in, very sympathetic cardiologist there, and he said, listen, we can get you. give you a job one day a week, as a consultant cardiologist, seeing patients, but we can't afford to pay you. So I was actually paying for my own transport to go to the hospital to work as a cardiologist. Why? Because I didn't want to stop seeing patients. Wow. So this, so, I mean, this documentary is brilliant because it goes sort of through many of the, some of them are famous cases, others we don't really know what's happening there.
Starting point is 01:08:05 But this statin issue is huge. what are some of the side effects that you were seeing that would, you know, if you only have a 1% you know, chance of this doing you any good? Yes. It's obviously costing money. It's jacking up your insurance rates. It's costing the national health systems just fortunes. Of course. It's clearly making insane amounts of money when potentially one seventh of the population is on this on a constant basis.
Starting point is 01:08:35 It's not like you take it once and you're done. This is for like the rest. I mean, do anyone ever get off of statins? Is there ever a promise that you're going to get off of statins someday? I mean, put you on it for a while. I do it all the time with my patients, especially if I think they're getting side effects. And the most common side effects, Dell, are quality of life limiting. So they're not serious or life-threatening, but muscle fatigue, brain fog, erectile dysfunction,
Starting point is 01:08:57 stomach upset. Some patients are even diagnosed with having dementia, older patients, when the whole time it was a statin, you stop the statin, and suddenly their cognitive function gets better. And I would imagine then you start taking other drugs to handle the fatigue, erectile dysfunction. Absolutely. And now you're just on this conveyor belt where you just see that hand-pillar drugs. More recently, it's now accepted, the statins cause type 2 diabetes in about one in 100 to 1 in 50 people.
Starting point is 01:09:22 So you've got this issue to add into the equation as well. The model of the drug industry, Dell, is to get as many people taking as many drugs for as long as possible. So more recently, this is how crazy it's getting, in my opinion. We've seen news stories suggesting that 15-year-olds, teenagers should be prescribed statins to prevent future heart attacks. Oh my God. So this is their model, business model.
Starting point is 01:09:47 And I know this even from debating the CEO of Astrodenica in the Cambridge University Union in 2019, where I was in the opposition, but the motion put forward in the debate was we need more people taking more drugs. We need more new drugs, but that's what they were saying, because that's the way that they're going to make as much money as possible. It's our duty to stand up and say, hold on a minute. This is way, you know, this is excessive in extreme. We are living in a time now where it is clear the pharmaceutical industry has taken over the world.
Starting point is 01:10:14 Yeah. In so many ways where I was just talking to someone yesterday that just said they were, you know, they were running a vitamin company. They were having really good results. But if they claim they could do anything, you know, if you claim an apple is good for you, you know, they'll say you have no, you know, you haven't gone through a double blind study. And the pharmaceutical industry is literally dictating you're not allowed to say that. You're not allowed to make any claims about health of the sun or like all of it. It's literally like our world is now owned by pharma. And they have to prove if you're going to say anything else other than drugs is good for you.
Starting point is 01:10:48 I mean, it's literally the world's been turned on its head. It's a tyranny. Yeah, that's what it is. It's a corporate, big pharma tyranny, right? And in a tyranny, you know, people are then afraid to say what they think because of all of this. stuff that you've said, you're going to be targeted, you're a doctor that's promoting lifestyle and silly or, you know, you're a quack. This is what they do. They use every tactic under the sun to exert their power. But the truth is a truth, and it requires more people and more doctors,
Starting point is 01:11:16 really, and members of the public once they become aware. And I hope, obviously, when people see the documentary, it's so comprehensive. And it's also, we've taken people who are very credible in the mainstream. We've got the former edits of the British Medical Journal, a giant in medical publishing. We've got the top doctor in the world who's been involved in more litigation cases against big pharma than anyone, John Abramson from Harvard. And the extent of this, it's not a peripheral small issue, Dell. Without a shadow of a doubt, the evidence suggests that just fraud in medical research has killed millions of people over the years, millions of people, and it's continuing to do harm, right? And when it comes to statins, there are new drugs now
Starting point is 01:11:56 that are there to lower cholesterol. They're trying to push those drugs which are more expensive. And separate to the statin issue, one of the things I demonstrated with research in a published journal with independent cardiologists is that there is actually no relationship with lowering so-called bad LDL cholesterol and preventing heart attack.
Starting point is 01:12:14 I think a lot of people that watch this show realize that we've covered how Coca-Cola sugar industry really changed the narrative, made it all about cholesterol, not about sugar. Yeah. One of the, I think probably the biggest story that, you know, woke up a lot of people around the world was Viox. This is just a clip from your documentary about that. There is absolute proof that Merck knew about the cardiovascular risk, not just when the article was published, but they knew about the cardiovascular risk the day that the data from the vigor trial were unblinded. Their chief scientist is quoted in the Wall Street Journal in an email that he wrote to his colleagues saying, I'm paraphrasing now, saying it's a shame the cardiovascular risks are there, meaning he knew that there was an increased risk of serious cardiovascular complications.
Starting point is 01:13:11 It's a shame the cardiovascular risks are there, but the drug will do well and we will do well. We will do well, meaning the executives with their stock options will benefit from the sale of Vioxx, which on the first day of unblinding, they understood, doubled the risk of serious cardiovascular complications. I mean, this is one of the most horrific stories I covered it extensively over the years. I remember, to begin with, this is just a painkiller. that gets on the market. They've hidden the data. In the trials, when they finally were on trial,
Starting point is 01:13:55 it was clear in their emails with each other. They're almost like laughing with each other. People are going to die, but by the time they figured that out, will have made so much money. It overcame every other painkiller on the market, only to find out it's no more effective than your standard painkillers.
Starting point is 01:14:12 This is gruesome. I mean, this is outright murder of arguably the same. same amount of people as died in the Vietnam War were killed by this drug. Yeah, and it's even worse actually. So, you know, when the FDA were alerted that there was a cardiovascular problem with Vioxx, that at least double the risk of heart attack, strokes, death, for example. They wrote to Merck, and what did Merck do? They ignored that the FDA said there should be a black box warning on the packaging. And they doubled down on their marketing. They purchased more reprints from the New Journal of Medicine where the original trial was published,
Starting point is 01:14:48 because their aim was that every single doctor in the United States, which should have a copy of that so-called peer-reviewed journal article in Young Journal Medicine so they could prescribe Vioxx. Now, when I give lectures and I explain this to people, I asked people from the audience, and they're shocked, like, how would you describe this behavior? And people come up with all sorts of things, evil, murderer. But the actual definitive or the best diagnosis to describe this behavior by these companies, which isn't my opinion, although I agree with it. It comes from Robert Hare, forensic psychologist, behind the original international classification of psychopathy. And he says, big corporations in the way that they conduct their business, they're pathologically self-interested, actually fulfill all the criteria for psychopath as entities.
Starting point is 01:15:31 So that means incapacity to experience guilt, repeated lying, conning others for profit. You know, there are so many criteria that they fulfill. Now, bringing it to the modern day, because it's just because we're just, just, because we're just went through this. On that front, we just had a giant rally. Vani Hari was just outside of Kellogg's, just to make that point, bringing, you know, tens of thousands of signatures to say, stop putting the poison in our cereals that are illegal in Europe. Like, why are we getting poison in America? And you already know how to make a product that's not doing that. They're outside the door. They're not being let in. They're being told, we're not going to have a conversation with you. There's
Starting point is 01:16:16 nobody here and they look up in the window to the executive suite and apparently there's like people holding up a sign get off of our lawn you know and so you that psychopathy what you're saying is these people that work in this business know we're putting colored dyes in your food that are endocrine disruptors that are incredibly you know dangerous for your children causing ADD the studies are there and our FDA doesn't seem to do anything about it and these people seem to have no remorse, no concern for the children, forget around the world, just even in their own nation, don't care. I mean, it's just like we know we're poisoning you. And just, would you please get off of our lawn?
Starting point is 01:16:58 I mean, that's that attitude that Merck showed, too. Yeah, I mean, this also comes from Big Tobacco's playbook, right? So Big Tobacco, when they knew that their products were harmful, they actually started marketing them as being good for you, right? At one stage, it sounds crazy now. But at one stage, cigarettes were marketed as being good for asthma, right? Right. So they're following the same. And pregnancy. It'll help you have a smaller baby so you can give birth easier. Yeah, absolutely. So actually, I even tell my patients, if a food product is marketed as healthy,
Starting point is 01:17:25 it likely has the opposite effect on the health. Don't touch it. No, I'm very clear about that. Absolutely. But coming back to the psychopathy thing as well, Dell, even in the modern day, you know, in 2021, I remember, and I know we've talked to this in a lot of detail, but it's interesting to see the parallels how things have not changed, probably. is that when the COVID vaccine got mandated, it was well into 2021, when they started using, and governments around the world in our country in the UK, November 2021. By that stage, it became very obvious at that stage that it wasn't stopping transmission, and there were definitely serious harms. We didn't know the extent, but it was serious harms. Why then mandate it? And when I heard that, my first instinct was, knowing about the Viox scandal, I said this most likely must have come from the drug companies.
Starting point is 01:18:06 And only earlier this year, investigative journalist Lee Fang, I think you covered it on the high. wire, he uncovered that Pfizer had secretly paid tens of thousands of dollars, $100,000 dollars to grassroots organizations that were credible to push the mandate narrative. So in my opinion, in my opinion, it is likely when Pfizer knew that this vaccine was causing serious harm, that's when they doubled down on the mandate narrative to get people distracted, because if it's mandated, it must be safe. It must be safe. Could be, I predicted it was going to be mandated before the pandemic even started.
Starting point is 01:18:43 I said, there's going to be a pandemic. It's going to be, it's going to happen so that they can mandate a vaccine on all adults. Who knows? I mean, it is. There's so much that's suspect about it. But I've always said this about Merck specifically with the Vioxx case. One of things I've said, you murdered it, you know, between 40 and 100,000 people, you know, and that's conservative. Frankly, those people say it's hundreds of thousands of people.
Starting point is 01:19:06 were murdered by a product. You knew it was murdering them. I can't believe our country just gives you a fine. I can't believe we allow a company to still have buildings with their name on the side of it in the United States of America after they killed more Americans than we've lost in wars
Starting point is 01:19:24 against nations we're fighting. I mean, it's just unbelievable to me that it's not, if I was president for a day, be like, Merck, you're out, that's it. Go find another country. None of your products are allowed here ever again. you knowingly murdered our people, we're not putting up with it. Instead, it's like, here's a $3 billion fine, in which they still walk away with a profit.
Starting point is 01:19:43 They do. They do. And no one went to jail. No one goes to jail. And the senior scientist, I think, he got a lucrative job with another company. This is a problem, Del. And I think most people don't know that. And I think one of the things as well is really important and interesting, seeing the feedback
Starting point is 01:19:56 when we've had some screenings with doctors, the response has been pretty extraordinary. Most doctors don't know this, right? Don't expect your doctor to know this is exactly what's going on. They don't understand. They think peer-reviewed evidence in a medical journal is actually, you know, an independently evaluated, and it's not. That's one of my favorite parts of this film that I thought you really nailed something that I've been trying to put clearly. It's so clear in the film. Let's take a look at this. It's even more serious because the drug companies own the data from their clinical trials. It's so serious, Joe.
Starting point is 01:20:33 When a drug company sponsors a clinical trial and they do the analyses and they write up a manuscript and they say what happened and they send it to a medical journal and it gets peer reviewed and doctors are trained that they should read and trust peer reviewed articles that are well conducted and that's how the system works. The peer reviewers and the editors of the medical journals don't get to see the data. They have to take the word of the drug companies that they've presented the data accurately and reasonably completely. And you only get to see it in litigation. You know, five years later, when it doesn't matter because everyone's formed their opinion. That seems insane. It's insane. And doctors don't know this.
Starting point is 01:21:24 This point blew my mind. Up until watching your film, I was under the impression, at least some group, probably shills. I was like, well, it's got to be a couple of shills that looked at all the data and came out with this product that we find out 10 years later is killing more people than it's saving. To find out that this idea peer-reviewed, that the reviewers don't see the data, I just thought, what are they doing? Judging on sentence structure, grammar? I mean, then I could be a peer reviewer, like, no, it said exactly what they said. They said it's good, and we believe them. I mean, it sounds insane.
Starting point is 01:22:00 It's insane. But it's true. And what happens with the clinical trial normally, Dell, is the raw data is often thousands of, if not tens of thousands of pages long, right? They're getting feedback on every patient in the trial almost every day. And then what they do is a drug companies who, by the way, they design the trials. Right. They do their own analyses. They curate the information.
Starting point is 01:22:21 and they give summary results to the regulator, right? And that's how even it gets through the regulatory process because the regulator's only seeing curated information. And, of course, the only interest, the primary interest of drug companies to make money, right? Through deception, obviously. So what happens when it goes to medical? Well, I'm sure they wouldn't need deception.
Starting point is 01:22:39 It was a great product. Absolutely. Deception is necessary when you don't have a great product. And you see, I mean, the argument from their perspective, I have a relative that actually is a chemist that does make drugs and has made some famous ones. And he'll always say, look, you're only seeing, when you think about the cost of a drug, you're acting that cost. But what you don't see is the 20 drugs that went through the giant R&D and all the testing and then failed in the end. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on them.
Starting point is 01:23:12 So the ones that are successful have got to make back all that money. Now, it's true. When you think about the cost of a drug, but it's true. But it also gives you the incentive of if one is even close, they just start pushing all the problems under the bed and in the closet and shut it down. We finally got something that can get us back into the pink. Absolutely. 100%. And this is not acceptable, clearly. It's not ethical.
Starting point is 01:23:35 It's not scientific. It's not good for patients. Because, of course, if doctors are making clinical decisions on biased and corrupt information, at best you're going to get suboptimal outcomes at worse. You're going to do harm. Right. But also, I think it's ultimately self-defeating, Dell, because. it isn't really encouraging true innovation because actually if you look at most of the drugs in America
Starting point is 01:23:53 that have been produced in the last 20 years, most of them actually copies of old ones. What they do is they take an old generic drug that's off-patent, they change a few molecules here and there, and then they give it a new name, they make money on it, and then move on to the next one. So what needs to happen, if we have an independent evaluation,
Starting point is 01:24:08 it will actually encourage real true innovation, and of course we'll protect the public from unnecessary harm as well. I mean, one of the things I think people don't really understand. We think FDA, we think CDC, NHS in England that these regulatory agencies are doing their own studies of these products to determine safety. Sort of like bringing the car in, we will run a crash test on it to see if it's safe. In fact, that's not even true for the crash test. The truck company or the car company does it themselves.
Starting point is 01:24:40 It tells you, I think, in many ways, what they've achieved. But this is the same thing here. They designed the study. So they imagine how, you know, if you're going to design the study, much like COVID, I mean, if you look at the people that they accepted in the COVID trials, they're like the, you know, the Justice League. These are the healthiest superheroes that ever have been given a product, right? Forget about all the people that are obese. They weren't in the trial.
Starting point is 01:25:04 All the people that have asthma weren't in the trial. So all of these things elderly weren't in the trials. So they designed the trial to be as successful as they can make it in the most successful. group of people to have this narrow band of what they're actually looking for. And you get into that too. Most of the time, they're not even proving they can stop the disease or it's some other form of a marker. Like some side epitope they're looking for or something that says maybe you have this
Starting point is 01:25:33 issue. What does it happen to fix it? Well, just on that note before I answer that question, Dale, in the COVID trials, even though you're absolutely right, they would have chosen. the healthiest people that are most likely to not get side effects, the serious adverse event rate when it was reanalyzed and published in the general vaccine showed two months it was at least one in 800 serious adverse events. So even in the healthiest group, so then you extrapolate that out and thinking, hold on a minute,
Starting point is 01:26:00 this is going to be far, far worse, and that's before we talk about long-term harms. What needs to be done? I think low-hanging fruit is that I think drug companies can make drugs, but they should no longer be allowed to test them themselves. They have to be independently evaluated, right? Low-hanging fruit, most people would get behind that Dell. Most doctors, members of the public, policymakers, it's a no-brainer. You know, I believe in real democracy.
Starting point is 01:26:26 And I think if we start from there, we then can at least be more confident that the information we're getting on drugs is going to be reliable in terms of benefits and harms. The reality at the moment is, even with information we have, say, for example, in statins, if people engage in true informed consent, and most people with a 1% benefit decide they'll don't want to take the pill, that would probably crash the drug industry overnight. So imagine that. Practicing true ethical evidence-based medicine would destroy the drug industry. So they're going to go after those people that are advocating for that. And of course, myself and other people are constantly under attack because of that reason.
Starting point is 01:27:00 And here in America, that same drug company owns your television. It owns the news agencies that should be reporting on this. Absolutely. Should be having you on, except that 50 to 70 percent of the drug ads you see between your news programs is, paying their bill. That's actually the boss of whatever news anchor you're watching. And I keep trying to get that through to people. The extent and size of this issue, I think, was captured in a great interview you have in your documentary. Let's take a look at this. Well, we don't know exactly how many people are killed by research fraud in medicine. But we do know that there's an
Starting point is 01:27:37 estimate that the frauds in six papers by Don Poldermans may have resulted in as many as 800,000 patient deaths, excess patient deaths. So if one research fraudster can cause that many excess patient deaths, and we think about all the very many research fraudsters with a significant proportion of research being fraudulent, 30% of gynecological, randomized trials containing false data. We're talking about many millions of people killed by research fraud in medical science. That's an incredible statement. One guy who mastered this sort of research fraud may be responsible for 800,000 deaths, just himself. I know. I know. I know. And that, you know, that happened a few years ago as a Dutch cardiologist, and he was responsible for influencing European Society of Cardiology Guidelines on the use of beta blocker.
Starting point is 01:28:43 These are drugs that slow the heart rate down, specifically for people undergoing non-cardiac surgery. And that figure, I mean, it's mind-blowing, isn't it? Absolutely mind-blowing. That should be in world news. Everybody should know about this. Right? So why is this not being publicized in the way it should be? Again, this is the power of the drug companies.
Starting point is 01:29:01 I think there is also a message of hope, though, as well, Del. which you bring out in the documentary, is of course people can just be apathetic and think, oh my God, what do we do? Through our own experience with patients as well, and there's a wealth of literature, and there's a big movement out there, is that actually through lifestyle changes as well,
Starting point is 01:29:18 people can come off the pills. There's great case study in the film as well about one of my patients. And the next frontier, for me, which is most interesting as a cardiologist, is the fact that we can even reverse blockages of coronary arteries, right? We can reverse heart disease,
Starting point is 01:29:31 and I think that gives us hope, But that's really where we need to be putting all our attention on how we really get world populations to be optimally healthy. It doesn't come from taking a pill, unfortunately. Listen, modern medicine does a lot of great things. I think it's very good for treating people when they are sick, and that should be our focus. Acutely ill patients, that's when we should put up. But getting all these people to solve the chronic disease pandemic with pills, it's not working, and it's only going to get worse if we push more pills on people.
Starting point is 01:29:59 I absolutely agree. I mean, it's really amazing to see it laid out. You do talk about these alternative, you know, natural, I mean, the fact that you could change your diet. You could start meditating and bringing down your anxiety or exercise, all of these things. And yet, our problem is this tyranny from the drug companies right now that are just controlling our regular trade agencies. To me, the simple fix really is to clean up the regulatory agencies. We've got to get in here in America. You have to do it in England.
Starting point is 01:30:33 We've got to get enough people. And we are starting to get a very loud and irate, you know, I would say moving towards a majority. When you see, you know, all the Vanney Hari, you know, outside Kellogg's, thousand people show up in the cold. I mean, Vanity Hari shows up at the doorstep with basically, I think, over a half a million signatures of people that want this change, want the same cereal that they're getting in other countries. You're seeing larger and larger audiences everywhere you go on this topic, on these issues. People have had enough, and we are starting to hit a threshold where we've had enough. And we want the regulatory agencies to, I would say, stop taking funding from the industries.
Starting point is 01:31:17 100%. I'm just super simple. You don't get to take any more money from these industries. And by the way, I don't think the news agencies should be allowed to take money from you either. So that we can get real reporting, we can get a real regulatory agency study that's based on actual health and not on protecting, you know, your financiers. Yeah, absolutely. Even in this country as well, Adele, why are political parties or politicians allowed to take money from these corporations as well? Because if we're going to change the law, the people that have the power to change the law in the right way to protect the public from these excesses are the politicians.
Starting point is 01:31:51 And of course, they're captured as well. This is really an oppressive corporate tyranny. But the other downside of it, I talk about, you know, we've got these so-called commercial or psychopathic drivers of health is we've also corporatized human beings. And the antidote to that is actually going back to basic values, honesty, integrity, speaking up, having courage, right? And if we all band together, we can definitely beat this. We can fight this problem. Where can people find your film? It's online at the moment.
Starting point is 01:32:22 people can download it. It's called no farmfilmfilm.com is the website for for $10. You know, this is we put a lot of our own effort and money into this. We want to at least recoup the costs and at some point, of course, we'll release it, you know, so everybody can watch it for free. We're trying to hit policymakers. But right now, people can download it at no farmfilm.com. Yeah, I remember when we were running around with Vax, people like, why are you charging for it? Such good information for several reasons. I have filmmakers who who were involved in making it that should get paid. I have a distribution company that should get paid. of these people get paid, guess how I don't get to make the next documentary on health, right?
Starting point is 01:32:57 And 100%. This is the one documentary field where you're not allowed to make any money, but please help us, give us the best quality that we can. And that's a fair point, Dale. My co-producer, the director, Donald O'Neill, Irish, former Irish international athlete, this is his job, this is his career. You know, I'm not there for the purpose that you need to have enough to get by, but this is his job in his career. And I think people should be rewarded something for that. But you're having issues with shadow banning, right? You're having, you know, even you said, I think you told me even celebrities are showing up at the screenings and saying I tried to share with my audience.
Starting point is 01:33:29 Yeah, meta, Facebook, Instagram, it's extraordinary. We've never seen anything like it, almost anything that's being shared on the film, even just being there. Interestingly, I have a, and we'll see where this goes, I'm telling you this first time in public. You know, I have a very close friend who's very, very supportive, very influential guy. And he's just appalled with what's going on. and he knows Nick Clegg, who's very senior with Meta and Fosa Zuckerberg, and he's writing a letter as it is now. I mean, Nick Clegg responded to him, say, what's going on?
Starting point is 01:33:59 Yeah. So let's see. Let's put it out in the open. Honestly, what is misinformation? I mean, look, I'm used to the vaccine issue. I know they got it wrong, but this isn't even going near that. This is about a peer review corruption that has been spoken about literally by, I think, almost every, you know, ex-editor of a medical journal has been saying, we cannot recreate
Starting point is 01:34:23 these studies that are happening here. We have research fraud going on. The incentive that comes up in your film of a million dollars in reprints, just simply what they get paid to print copies of allowing these things through is how they make money. Then they take advertising, you know, from drug companies. So this whole thing is just corrupted all the way around. And there's really good people like in your film, these editors. saying, you know, they're like, hello, you know what I mean? Like, man down here, we are going to, we are going to continue to kill people if someone doesn't get on top of this.
Starting point is 01:34:57 And to think that Facebook or META is going to jump in and say, no one's allowed to see this. What do you mean? Every American would agree with you right now. I'm sure of it. You wouldn't find a doctor. You won't find a nurse. You won't find a person would disagree with you saying we really need for our regulatory agencies to be the ones doing the safety stuff.
Starting point is 01:35:17 not the drug company itself that's making money. And here's the thing. 99% of people think that is how it's happening. No, I know. They do think it's the regular 28thians. You're doing this stuff. I believe most people are good and want to do the right thing and the hate injustice.
Starting point is 01:35:29 Honestly, I think the power of this film is that if Mark Zuckerberg, you know, sat down for an hour and 50 minutes or 55 minutes to watch this film, he wouldn't be able to unsee it. It would change his worldview for a lot of people. And they just need to watch it. And then they can form their opinion. They can give counter arguments. But I think that is the way, really, we need to get it to these people.
Starting point is 01:35:47 as well so that they understand what's been going on. I love that. Mark, if you're watching out there, maybe how about a new policy? When you decide to censor films by, you know, world-renowned doctors, why don't you at least watch the thing yourself? Why don't you just say, I personally watch this myself, and I am personally censoring it? Otherwise, why do you get involved with stopping censorship? Free speech is the most important right we have here in the United States of America. I've seen, I feel like we're starting to see Mark. Mark, you know, feel like he wants to break free of these shackles.
Starting point is 01:36:19 Yeah. I hope he does. Elon, of course, doing such great things with X right now. I hope all the other social media companies, you know, realize how important free speech is. Or they're going to lose it. They're going to, you know, we're going to see it taken away from them completely. So one more time, the website where people can download it. Nofarmfilm.com.
Starting point is 01:36:37 No farmfilm.com. Absolutely. All right. Well, there you have it. For $10. You can sit down with your family, bring over friends. Let's make this the biggest hit of the year. Let's make this the biggest hit right now.
Starting point is 01:36:49 This is what we do so well with the high wire community. It's a very important film, and it's a really great entry point for even, especially your doctor friends that don't want to go anywhere near the vaccine issue we cover here all the time. This they're going to understand and they're going to know a lot of these stories. And then they're going to find out why Vioxx happened, why the things they were prescribing, why they were of fraud. This is a very, very important documentary. Let's make it a hit so that more documentaries like this get made.
Starting point is 01:37:18 All right. So you know that we have got High Wire Plus. We're trying to give back to you for those that you that make this show possible that are donating, you know, helping us with all the legal work. But we really want to incentivize more of you to get involved. High Wire Plus has all new programming. I've got off the record, which we're going to have with the seam here in just a moment. But we're also releasing the Freedom Files. The next freedom file drops next Tuesday.
Starting point is 01:37:46 I'm here with Larry Sharp. Thank you for joining me. I live in New York City. I live in the center of tyranny. It used to be a place where we were the ones who would fight with the rebels. Not anymore. Now government says jump. We say how high.
Starting point is 01:37:58 Fear is what gets us to do all the bad things. I'm afraid of this, so now lock me down. I'm afraid of this. So now take this freedom away. Corporate media, their foot forward is fear. The vast majority of corporate media is heavily based upon a couple of sponsors. If pharmaceutical is going to give me a billion dollars to run, whatever, CNN or MSNBC, whatever, what do I care what I say?
Starting point is 01:38:19 If they're happy, they're my customer. Right. But here for you, that's the customer. Yeah. You've got to keep them happy. Yeah. And what they want from you is honesty. Honesty is the currency.
Starting point is 01:38:29 But there's a second piece, though, to this. The guy or gal who watches CNN, they vote. So we need more of us who watch this, more of us who care to vote, to donate, and over time, we'll dominate. Freedom Files Las Vegas, our newest series on Highwire Plus, exclusively for monthly donors. Well, you know, we're doing everything we can to try and inspire you to help us on this incredible mission that we're at. Highwire Plus has got all of this great new programming. I have a really important question. I actually am going to ask Dr. Asimahalter in just a few minutes after this show, which is, I mean, have you noticed what a sweetheart this guy is?
Starting point is 01:39:12 you know, and so many of you come up and you say, you know, thank you for your courage. Like, how do you do it? Like, I honestly want to know how someone as nice as Dr. Ossimul-Hantra handles the amount of vitriol rage and anger waged against him. What does it feel like every time his license has been under threat or he loses his job at a hospital? And how does he move forward? You know, these are the questions. What makes these people tick? If you want to know about it, that's the special thing that we're doing with Highwire Plus.
Starting point is 01:39:42 You're getting an inside scoop with Off the Record. I'm really looking forward to talking to seem a little bit later. Look, last week, so many of you wrote into the show. I'll tell you, even my wife and I had nightmares after Naomi Wolf last week. It's becoming clear that there are people, and I'm not saying all of them, I think mostly it's useful idiots, but there are clearly people on top in government, like the ones that write the emails that we, and just showed you in our illegal update, that knowingly lied to you, obfuscate, hide the information. You are looking at trials and studies where the people that make these drugs know it's poisoning you.
Starting point is 01:40:27 The FDA looks the other way or sometimes is even complicit in pushing these things upon you. Your government is pushing a COVID vaccine that the very least knows down regulates your immune system. and more probably after Naomi knows is making you infertile, which makes you have to ask, do I really want leadership in my country? This is for all of you across the world because the WEF, you, and WHO is affecting all of your leaders. What would you do the moment you realize they're trying to keep me from being able to have children? They're trying to keep us from actually procreating. They are actually poisoning us.
Starting point is 01:41:06 They're allowing Kellogg's to put chemicals in my children. food that is illegal in other nations around the world. That is happening. This isn't fake news. They can't call it fake news. And I don't care if meta kicks it off or kicks it off their channel that doesn't make it fake news. Kellogg's is poisoning you. The CDC is poisoning you.
Starting point is 01:41:29 The FDA is poisoning you. But you can do something about it. You can speak out right now. We are at a critical moment in this country. and a lot of ears are opening up. And maybe the food issue is your entry point. But instead of giving up or giving up on humanity or giving up on your brother, your sister, your neighbor, why do you try a new tactic?
Starting point is 01:41:50 Why do you keep just, well, how about food? Can we talk about food? Does it bother you that that colored dye is illegal in other countries? But I see it in your cupboard. Did you know that they're different? I can prove it to you. Would that be interesting? Try to find where you can meet your friends, wherever you can wake them up right now,
Starting point is 01:42:08 We need an army of truth. We need to show them that we outman them now. We need to show that we are not a silent majority. We are now a vocal majority. Get loud. Get proud. That's what we're doing on the high wire. Tell me all about it.
Starting point is 01:42:25 And I'll see you next week.

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