The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 398: FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

Del Gets Update on Vani Hari’s Interview with Kellogg’s Heiress; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on Mainstream’s Misinformation About RFK Jr.’s Prospective Role in the Trump Administration, and the UK Targets Farmers Again; ‘Fiat Food’ Author blows Del’s Mind Exposing The Origins of Ultra-Processed Foods in America and the Threat that Lies Ahead.Guests: Vani Hari, Matthew LysiakBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Yes. Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. Well, here in America, we are going through this amazing renaissance, a discussion about health, started with the Make America Healthy Again movement, which just, broke loose right before the end of election season. And all of these new people are talking about all of these different things, whether it's your water, your air, but especially your food, toxic chemicals in our food supply. Why has our country allowed this when other countries are

blocking it? At the center of this was an incredible march on Kellogg's by Bonnie Hari. And now she's got celebrities that are chiming in and saying, we want to be a part of this movement too. Take a look at this. took him. What does this but do? I'm Eva Mendez and I'm boycotting Kellogg's until they treat Americans like they treat Europeans and Canadians and take out these toxic ingredients. Growing concerns around what's in breakfast cereal. American food companies are selling the same exact products overseas without these chemicals, but choose to continue serving us the most toxic version here. I'm voting with my dollars and boycotting Kellogg's until they remove the garbage from our

kids food. I am boycotting Kellogg's until they take out some of these horrendously toxic ingredients that we're feeding our kids. No more guys! No more guys! I'm concerned about the health of Americans and I want to encourage you to join me in holding corporations like Kellogg. accountable. Is there a reason why you're poisoning our cereal more than the cereal that you give to other nations? This will be the biggest petition ever collected taking on the food industry. Kellogg's, if you're

listening, please let us in. Kellogg's. I'm boycotting you. The ingredients in Kellogg's are linked to cancer. Do not buy Kellogg's and support this corruption. Kellogg's, would you please take the poisons out of your food and stop harming our children? Don't buy Kellogg's until Kellogg's stops poisoning us with artificial crap. This is the brightness of the Canadian version, and this is the brightness of artificial food dyes. Say yes to the health of this nation and our kids and boycott Kellogg's. As APD nutrition, I'm urging you to stop buying Kellogg's, their ingredients are hurting our children's brain, and their health.

Stop buying Kellogg's until they improve their ingredients here in America. Nobody should buy Kellogg's until they fix it. Friends, don't let friends eat Kellogg's. Stop buying Kellogg's now.

So Kellogg's turning their back on America today. Is that what you're saying? They don't care about you or me or our kids or our health. They care about their bank accounts. We need to demand better. We need to vote with our wallets.

Now the move is bankrupt Kellogg's, bankrupt every single American food company who is complicit in the mass poisoning of our children. Roger, the executives are right there, work. They told all the kids to get off their lawn so we will not allow their products in our homes. Our children deserve better, boycott Kellogg's. Join me and others in boycotting Kellogg's until they agreed to remove toxic ingredients and dyes from our food sources. Going forward, we're starting a mandatory boycott from this. It is officially time to cancel Kellogg.

We must boycott Kellogg's. Do not buy Kellogg's. It's time to vote with our dollars and cancel Kellogg's. Cancel Kellogg. Cancel Kellogg. Cancel Kellogg's until it does the right thing. Moms in particular are in charge of Kellogg's. We're not effing around anymore.

Do not buy. Kellogg's cereal. Stop buying Kellogg's. Don't buy their stuff. Don't buy any of their stuff. I want Americans to be treated the same way as citizens in other countries by our own American companies. My American brothers and sisters, let's come together and boycott Kellogg's. This is just the beginning. Well, it's quite a movement. Boycotting Kellogg's, all of those superstars getting involved and behind. that really the energy, the driver is New York Times bestseller, Vani Hari, who joins me now. Vani, first of all, what an amazing force you are. It's just, it's fantastic watching you out there, driving this incredible movement on such an important and obvious issue. So where are we at?

How many signatures have you gotten so far on this petition? Are we hearing from Kellogg's? Well, you know, I went to Kellogg's third quarter earnings report. There wasn't one financial analyst brave enough to ask about the thousand people that were at Kellogg's headquarters in Battle Creek, or the 451,000 signatures that we now have on our petition, or the six weeks in counting of complete silence on Kellogg's social media accounts, or the hundred and hundred and a hundred. hundreds of mainstream media news articles about this boycott and cancel Kellogg's movement. It is absolutely pathetic that they think they can have an earnings call and not mention this movement. And it just goes to show you that they are really truly hiding from this. And it makes me think that there's something sinister going on. What is happening behind closed doors at Kellogg's? you know, who are the people in charge of PR?

I mean, this is one of the biggest PR mistakes in all of the food industry that I have ever seen and will go down in history. And people will be writing stories and books about this. They already are. But it's really very disheartening. Then we have RFK right before the election saying, as soon as he's put in power, the first thing he's going to do is ask these serial companies. to remove the dyes from their products

because they don't use them in other countries. Americans deserve the same safer products that they already are selling, these food companies are selling overseas. And then right after the election, the first interview he got on MSNBC was talking about fruit loops. Why do we have fruit loops in this country

that have 18 or 19 ingredients and you go to Canada and it's got two or three? And all we see from Kellogg's is silence. It's really amazing. And how do you account for? Because you have been successful at this before. We've interviewed you earlier. You got Subway to change ingredients.

You got Kraft to get rid of the dyes in their food, their macaroni and cheese, things like that. Is this following, do you feel like did they make you wait this long? Is there a different pattern? Like, you know, is this different than what you're used to? This is definitely different than what I'm used to. is something going on behind the scenes. Here's some thoughts that I have, some hypotheses that I have.

First, this is a petroleum coal tar type ingredient that comes from the petroleum coal tar industry. Is there someone in the petroleum coal tar industry preventing this work from being done? Then I think about the companies, the pharmaceutical companies that are making ADHD medication in Ridland that are directly related to the fact that we have an enormous amount of artificial dyes in our diet now than when they were

approved for use and so they you know the the warning label the cigarette type warning label that exists in europe is it says may cause adverse effects on activity and attention in children and when food manufacturers realized they were going to have to put the cigarette type warning label on their product they voluntarily remove these dyes and so they're liable they know they're causing this harm And so what's happening in play here? Are there pharmaceutical industry players having some of the strengths? I'm not sure. All I know is two of the biggest investors in Kellogg's are Vanguard and BlackRock.

And they are at the table of making some of these decisions. And I want to know what's going on behind the scenes. What I'm hearing right now is that some of these companies are so archaic in the way that they produce their products. It's like the Titanic. and they see an iceberg coming with all of us activists, RFK, the new found government, you know, the election happening, and this entire Make America Healthy Again movement,

and they can't stop the Titanic. It's because the way that they're run. And so what has to happen, what analysts are telling you right now, which is really quite scary for the Kellogg's investor. And if they're listening, they need to listen to this, that they may have to take the company private

for a few years, get it all cleaned up, to make it profitable again and to make it viable for the next hundred years because this movement is coming for them. Yeah. And they can't stop it. And now we have leadership at the highest levels demanding these changes. And it's absolutely incredible.

And I'm so excited to be part of this movement with you, Dell, and so many others as all those voices that you just showed. It is such an exciting time. It is very exciting. And I, you know, I wonder the same thing. It's a bit like when you watch the housing collapse and you see all these people that knew it was going to happen, but are just sucking all the money out of it they can until the very end. I'd be curious to see what's happening to stock options, the company from employees from inside.

I'll bet you you're going to see a lot of people like selling off. They know it's, you know, the writing's on the wall, but they're just going to ride this, get everything they can out of it and then say, well, it wasn't my issue, you know, and watch the company come crashing down. You had a really amazing interview when you think about Kellogg's. At the heart of it is a family. There's actually a Kellogg's family, and you got an incredible interview with a member of the Kellogg's family talking about what they think is happening with their family name and this product.

Let's take a look at this very quickly. My great-great-great-grandfather was William Keith Kellogg. His son, John Leonard Kellogg, was my great-great-grandfather. His son, William Keith Kellogg, second of his name, was my great-grandfather. He had a son named William Keith Kellogg the third. My father is his oldest son. I had his only daughter. How do you feel your great-great-great-grandfather would feel about this right now,

considering Free Loops was invented after he died? I don't think he would have supported this. I think it's very unfortunate that Kellogg is promoting this, but I mean this is just the way our society is these days. Palazons was like basically a food for working class people. They could just put milk in this bowl of food. His intention was to help people. And now people are getting really sick and it's really, really sad.

What our world has become. I'm personally very hurt by this. My whole family is I contacted my third cousins out in Washington and they are just as heartbroken as I. I'm fighting so hard to get this message out, and I'm making it a PR nightmare for Kellogg's. But this is your family. You know, this is your blood, right? How do you feel about activists like me doing this?

Thank you. You're doing my family a great service. Every time a child eats something and gets sick, I feel terrible about it. And that is one of the reasons I'm speaking out today is if I'm in a place of power, it is my duty to speak out and just do the right thing. And maybe my reputation will be soiled after this, but I don't care. I would hope that Kellogg would live my family's legacy and just do the right thing. Obviously, Kellogg's cornflakes or cereal in general is not ideal. But sometimes I'm not here to judge, but sometimes it's just convenient for people.

and I think they should apologize for making a false vow. And I think they should correct their wrong. I think of a single Kellogg that supports this. You can't think of a single Kellogg that supports this. Absolutely not. Money is not everything in life. But when you're sick in bed and your children are sick in bed for their whole life because they have health problems,

whose money really doesn't matter anymore. I would also recommend that people boycott other companies that are producing these toxic food dyes. Absolutely boycott Kellogg is the final message. I'm Victoria Kellogg and I approve this message. I mean, really amazing, powerful, I mean, it's great to hear, by the way, that someone in the family actually cares. And she says in that interview,

I don't know anyone in our family, that agrees with this approach towards poisoning children in America. It's not what the family stood for. It's not what their products started with. It was a wholesome concept of feeding people. But how did you get that interview? I mean, how are you getting these people to speak out the way that you are?

Well, she had reached out to me through the website, and I'm getting a lot of different whistleblowers coming out. And if you guys are in Kellogg's right now, or if you know some information, and you're watching this. I encourage you to come to me with this information. I can keep your information private, or we can do a live interview like with the great-great-granddaughter

of WK Kellogg's who brought corn flates to the masses. What she did was courage over corruption. It was absolutely beautiful. And I am honestly so moved by her ability to put American children first above her finances. It's absolutely incredible. It really is amazing, Bonnie. So what are the next steps here?

Can we still sign the petition? Is there still power in getting more names, people to sign up? I mean, and I just think this is such a great tool, by the way. It's my favorite mission right now, is this Kellogg's pressure? Because it so perfectly, you know, illustrates the issue that we have in this country, the issue we have with our regulatory agencies, that it's allowing us to be poisoned more than other nations. It makes no sense.

What happened to American exceptionalism? What happened to leading being the light of quality and liberty and freedom? But right now, what can the people watching here do to help you? Obviously, we're boycotting the product. But what's the next step? Can we still sign the petition? You can definitely come on over to foodbabe.com and sign the petition. Tell your friends and family about this.

You know, this is not just about Kellogg's, as you just illustrated. It's about the overall corruption and problems within the food industry. And we need to tell people the truth that American food companies are making the exact same products for other countries with better ingredients. We should demand the same safer ingredients here. And we have a right to that. Absolutely. Was it hard getting celebrities to speak out? They tend to be really nervous about things like this because obviously, I mean, if you watch television, Kellogg's is a huge advertiser.

for the very show. So they're getting paychecks, if you will, from Kellogg's. Did you, are, let me ask you this. Are there actors that are talking, you were saying, I can't go public, but how can I help? Yes, I have both sides of the spectrum. Some people had to wait until after the election. You know, I mean, there's just different, you know,

people's willingness and their comfort level to come to the stage at this level. I mean, I want to commend Eva Mendez because she was one of the first ones that really stuck her neck on the line. And she's like, this issue I've cared about for so long, Bonnie, I really want to help you. And she didn't care about the election. She didn't care about anything. She wanted to really put it on her page with her 8 million followers on Instagram. And she's been just an enormous leader in this on the celebrity front because people see her and her stature, you know, married to the top actor of the world, Ryan Gosling.

And she's like, if Ryan had an Instagram account, I would post it on his too, you know. And it doesn't even on social media. So, you know, for her to be a leader and come out and do that, that allowed other celebrities to do it. And so I ask if you're a celebrity out there watching this or listening to this, come out, support her campaign, send me a video. Tell me your boycotting and canceling Kellogg. Send it out to your lists and all of your followers out there because I'm telling you, this is how we get the job done. We vote with our dollars and we can get the job done. Well, you're doing such an amazing job, Bonnie.

you know, as you move forward, do you have plans next steps? Are you going to add pressure in other ways? And, you know, what happens now that maybe you have a more receptive government looking at these issues? You know, are people talking about that? Yeah, absolutely. So some of the things that are happening behind the scenes, I've got different consultants from the food industry that are coming to me and saying, hey, Bonnie, let's come up with the solution now. you identify the problem, you're attacking them from the outside. Let's go back inside and see how we can move this ship in the right direction.

They really think that in order to get this done, we're going to need all of the big players at the table, the PepsiCos, the Coca-Cola's, the General Mills, the Kraft Heinz, all of them at the table saying, yes, we agree to this so that they take the 2 to 3% hit on their bottom line to get this done. You know what I love about what you're doing is we can't just count on government, right? Like one person can't fix all these issues. And, you know, one of my concerns is we've worked so hard.

You could really let down your guard right now and think, well, you know, look, RFK Jr.'s got this. But it really, nothing moves if the Court of Public Opinion isn't supporting it. So it's really time that we continue the pitchforks and the, you know, the flaming torches outside of the Kellogg's, of the mainstream media. I mean, speak of mainstream media, are they covering this with you? Are you getting interviews on CNN and Fox and Cours and Codagh? CBS on this issue? Well, CNN and NBC have been silent on it. Everywhere else is a shocker. They are really silent on it. You know, I've had amazing interviews lately with some of the biggest newspapers in the world. Now it's going worldwide. I've got the largest paper in Germany writing

about it, the largest paper in Italy writing about it. So we're going worldwide with this campaign. And this is hurting Kellogg's reputation in a way that I've, believe is going to be irreparable. And so really, if you guys are listening to this, you really got to come out with an announcement and a change. And the worst part about this, Del, is I've got state AGs reaching out to me talking about suing these big food companies. And it is going to be a situation like we saw with big tobacco. I really truly believe that. And I think that's going to be one of the fastest ways to get them to move as well as a collective unit. Well, any way that I can can get involved and help with that.

You know, that's our wheelhouse. We love the legal side of this. It is, it's just another massive pressure point. I'm glad to hear AGs. They should be getting in there and protecting their constituents in their different states. Bonnie, you're a force to be reckoned with. You represent the best of us. And what it means when you just put one foot forward and continue to just do what you're

guided to do. You're a hero and I really I want to let you just get right back out to what you're doing. Thank you for taking the time. So once again, what social media, what are the platforms we can follow you and just continue to support you in the work that you're doing? Well, come on over to foodbabe.com, get on my email list, sign the petition and then follow on social media. I'm on X, I'm on Instagram, on Facebook, on TikTok, all of them, and share these videos and other things that we have coming out that kind of show the support around this movement and the education piece that we're laying out for letting people know what the dangers are of a lot of these chemicals that food companies are using here in the United States and not in other

countries. All right, excellent. We'll do. You heard it from the mouth of the warrior. All right, take care, Vani. I'll talk to you soon and I'll see you out there. I'm sure very soon. Yes. Thank you, all right. All right. Well, I have an amazing interview right along, you know, with this, which is a totally different perspective on why our food system is so. messed up. Of course, I'm talking about Matt Leeschak, the author of Fiat Food. This book blew my mind. I can't wait to talk to him about it coming up later in the show. But first, it's time for The Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey, you know, I mean, what an incredible week. You know, it's been Vani Hari out there. Just a movement running on all cylinders right now for health

across this country. Very exciting times. Yeah, and I think it's important. We do something here because election just just finished and people haven't even taken office we're still we're still seeing appointments selected people haven't even had a chance to get in and the the corporate media is already starting hit pieces and first and foremost on rfk junior and really i want to say it's it's important that we have open debate around these things we always should continue to hold people in power accountable and free speech open debate is how we got here and i think if even if you sat down with any of these people that are about to take positions of power, they would say, look, we ran on the idea of free speech and open media, and we want to get called out if we're not

doing something that we said we were going to do. So with that being said, I want to go into this headline here that really kicked it off for me was if Trump puts RFK Jr. in charge of health, get ready for a distorted reality where global health suffers. Well, Nostradamus had the conversation. Let's look at, I think it's important here to look at the words, because there's, there are people that are just reading these headlines and, you know, doing a lot of pearl clutching and biting their nails and going, oh, my God, global health is going to end. We're all going to suffer disease outbreaks. And well, let's look at what RFK actually put.

This is what he posts on X shortly after the election. President Trump has asked me to do three things. Clean up the corruption in our government health agencies. Number two, return those agencies to the rich tradition of gold standard evidence-based science. Number three, make America healthy again by ending the chronic disease epidemic. Well, that doesn't sound too crazy. That doesn't sound like to help dark ages. No, don't do those things.

You know what that's going to be? God forbid we clean up the regulatory agencies. And anybody reading past the basic corporate media headlines knows the information behind those statements, knows there's problems, and there's reasons why those statements are being made because a lot of people want to see these cleaned up. And so RFK Jr. was interviewed shortly after the election,

kind of caught a canon moment, and he said this about the FDA. Take a listen. Donald Trump has said that he would put you in charge of the public health agencies. What exactly does that look like? Well, he's been very specific. And what he said, he wants me to do three things. One, clean up the corruption of the agencies, particularly the conflicts of interests that have turned those agencies into captive agencies for the pharmaceutical industry and the other, the food industry,

the other industries that they're supposed to be regulating. Number two, to return those agencies to the gold side. standard science, the empirically based, evidence-based medicine that they were famous for when I was a kid. And number three, to make America healthy again, to end the chronic disease epidemic. And President Trump has told me that he wants to see measurable concrete results within two years in terms of a measurable diminishment in chock chronic disease among America's kids. So there he is, in his own words, and this is what he's saying, this is what he's doing. And he goes on to say that, you know, there might be a department or two in the FDA that

needs to have some serious cutting involved in it just because they're not looking out for for the health of our children. And so right after the election, you saw the corporate media go to work, primary CNN, and they put out this headline here. Trump campaign quietly distanced itself from RFK Jr. after new vaccine safety comments. It says, however, there is disquite in a Trump team about media attention on the former independent candidate after he was pressed in a post-election interview with NBC about his vaccine skepticism. Mr. Kennedy said that he would seek to fix the huge deficits in vaccine safety, but clarified, we're not going to take vaccines away from anybody.

According to CNN, a source close to Mr. Trump, who we don't know, says CNN, said that this is not what we want people focused on today. So the CNN is already creating division here within this campaign because who? A source. What source? We don't know, but trust us. There's division. Yeah, I mean, look, that's what they do. They're spin machines. They, you know, any way they can, they'll take whatever side they can to try and upset the issue. But, you know, they've all been on attack from the very beginning.

This is obviously an issue. We've talked about it. Talked about it last week. The fact that Robert Kennedy Jr. was working on cleaning up corruption. And the Democratic Party, when he was running in that party last year, two years ago, wanted no part of of him, didn't want any part of someone that wanted to clean up the corruption. So, you know, but I mean, look, it seems like President Trump is making statements himself that are equally as strong, if not stronger than what Bobby Kennedy is saying. So I think that this is just a part of trying to create unrest, as you're saying, across the country. You know, I've covered Kennedy for several years, almost a decade in his speeches and his

conferences. And he's saying nothing, he has said nothing different. He's saying the same things he's always been saying. And what I think the media has a problem with is they were able to label him and neutralize him as anti-vaxxer and be done with it. But now he's actually saying that same message to bigger audiences, and that seems to be what they have a problem with. And here's the Hill. RFK Jr.'s new Bowley pulpit sends public health shock waves. Well, what kind of shockwaves? Why are they scared? Let's listen to a recent speech by RFK Jr. at a conference. He's being interviewed here by Dr. Phil. And he goes on to extrapolate a little bit more. Just to get a people a better idea of what those shockwaves may look like? Take a listen.

NIH has a $42 billion budget and just for scientific research and it distributes that budget among 56,000 scientists at universities mainly across the United States. And those scientists have been working on new drugs to treat chronic disease that can be turned into weaponized by the pharmaceutical industry to serve their profit ambitions. And we're going to go in at day one and we're going to change the focus of this agency. And we're going to find out what is causing the chronic disease epidemic. For 30 years, CDC and NIH have looked at this autism epidemic and say, we don't know what's, we just know it's not vaccines.

We don't know what's causing it. Well, we're going to find out what's causing it. We're going to do that in a couple of months. And once you have the science out there, and you can tell the truth to the American public, two things happen. One is you give people choice. We're not taking choice away from anybody.

If you want to eat Dunkin' Donuts or packaged foods, you should be able to do that. You're an American. But we're going to give you the information. We're going to make them put it on the label. This is going to cost ADHD. You know, it's amazing. I was just interviewed recently,

my Wall Street Journal, ABC, on this issue because of the great work that I can is done here. And, of course, I was Director of Communications for Robert Kennedy throughout his campaign. But what I said to them, you know, I said, I don't understand, you know, why anyone would have a problem with Robert Kennedy's agenda to make, you know, things transparent again. And to focus these incredible, the greatest body of scientists in the world on actually answering questions instead of making drugs. I mean, we are the home of Apple, of Microsoft. We have AI now. I don't even think it'd take a couple months. It probably take a few hours if you created the right query into, for instance, the VSD,

the Vaccine Safety Data Link, has 10 million people in it. Let's just start, you know, cross-referencing and asking questions. Here's the vaccinated. Here's the completely unvaccinated. Who has more cancer? Who has more diabetes? We've said this over and over again. And I also said recently in one of these interviews, you know,

American people want transparency. I can sued and got the Pfizer data so that, you know, the world could see, you know, how the trials went for the COVID vaccine. But our country was supposed to give it to us without a lawsuit. We shouldn't have to spend millions of dollars and have the FDA tell us, we're going to wait 75 years to let you see the data. By the way, that scared the hell out of the judge himself, who probably had the vaccine. I'm not waiting 75 years to find out what I just injected in my body. And what I'm saying to, you know, these reporters and what Bobby's saying, ultimately is this government works for us. That's our vaccine. We funded that with our own taxpayer dollars. You work for us. I'm your boss. Show me the

damn studies. Show me how you're going to do the next study. And we're going to weigh in on how we actually want that study to be done for a product we're paying for. And then ultimately, we might end up taking. And by the way, we want informed consent. You're going to tell us all the side effects that exist. How often maybe they exist because you're going to start doing that science too. Look, I think the mainstream media is just totally out over the tips of its skis like it has been for a long time. But what they haven't recognized is this game is over. This mantra, if you will, that vaccines are perfectly safe and perfectly, you know, effective, died with COVID. It died a horrible death. But now they are just sticking with the program to try and convince people that

you don't really want that information, do you? I mean, it's a losing argument. It's a losing battle right now. And it's awesome to see these conversations happening. And I have to say it's awesome to be in the middle of these interviews now in the biggest newspapers and news agencies in the world. They know, you know, their hair is on fire. I can say it right now.

And you're right. What he's describing in that clip is I'm just going to try to give people full informed consent. That's all I'm doing. And what the corporate media doesn't understand is after the COVID response, informed consent became a very popular. idea throughout the world. People thought, wait a minute, there's more to the story than safe and effective with this emergency vaccine treatment that's being mandated. I kind of want to know about that. So is my family. So the headlines, it's interesting because the headlines are starting

to quiet down a little bit because the anti-vaxxer is going to end all vaccines. We're never going to have any, but this is what he said in NPR. And this is published and picked up everywhere. It's his RFK Jr. discusses role, but potential role in the Trump administration and health policy division. So this reporter just hit them right, right with this one. How quickly will you act on federal support for vaccines or research on vaccines? And he says this, I'll work immediately on that. That'll be one of my priorities to make sure that Americans, of course, we're not going to take vaccines away from anybody. He says that time and time again. He says, we are going to make sure that Americans have good information right now. The science on vaccine safety, particularly, has

huge deficits. And we're going to make sure those scientific studies are done and that people can make informed choices about their vaccinations and their children's vaccinations. I'm not sure why people can't get behind that. Everyone has their own choice and that's fine, but it seems like a very basic statement and something that, you know, maybe people thought, weren't we always doing this? No, we weren't always doing this. And it's time to actually do it. So this is something that's very new for this country and for the medical industry. But what we're also seeing is potential other areas that, you know, if RFK Jr. gets into these positions or a position, that we could see more transparency. This was brilliantly talked about by Ram Paul recently on Fox News. Take a listen.

All right. We are very hopeful that Robert Kennedy will have a big influence in the administration. We're very hopeful that whoever will be head of health and human services will now reveal the documents I've been trying to get for three years. NIH and HHS have refused to turn over the documents as to why Wuhan got this research money and why it wasn't screened as dangerous research. Those documents exist and they won't give them to me. I think a friendly Trump administration will. I'm looking forward to getting those, mainly because we need to try to make sure this doesn't happen again. I mean, I can tell you personally that is a huge issue for Robert Kennedy.

I mean, the gain of function, we got to get on top of that. He doesn't like it. I don't think Rand Paul is going to have any trouble. finally getting those documents. And again, why, why has it been so difficult for him to get? And he works in our government. The fact that he can't even get access to understanding how to get funded, what's going? What are we electing these people for? I mean, honestly, what are we electing them for if we actually live in some sort of authoritarian government that's allowed to deny our representatives access to the, as I said, things that we're funding and paying for? It's so out of balance.

And Rand Paul, I think, is going to be a great part of this whole team in the way transparency and the power to the people returns. And right now, there's this push-pull with another area of really interest that was in the election was the net zero, the climate change, the green energy transition. And just recently, just a couple days ago, we heard that Trump has picked Lee Zeldin of New York to run the EPA. That's going to be interesting pick. When you look through his background, he's not someone that is pro net zero.

So we'll see how that works. But we're seeing these push and polls. In the UK, they're having some really big issues there, particularly with their farmers. In 2022, the UK government actually offered to buy out farmers. This is at a time when food insecurity is at an all-time high. People have a hard time affording groceries. Good food is hard to come by. And this was the document actually right here from the.

the UK Department for Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs. They called it a direct payment to farmers. This was an exit scheme to get them out of farming. Farmers that wanted to go, they would get this big lump sum of money to just stop farming. And I don't know if in that population there is going up because there is a lot of immigration and migration to the UK and to Europe in general. So it seems like kind of a ridiculous plan to slow down food. But it may not have worked because what's happening now is you're getting,

what's called a farm tax. And this is one of the headlines here, Jeremy Clarkston. Now, Jeremy Clarkston has one of the top prime video original series called Clarkston's Farm, and that's in the UK. He's very popular. Jeremy Clarkston accuses labor of shafting farmers in inheritance tax raid. It says under the current rules, families can inherit businesses and farmland assets of any value without paying inheritance tax. But from April 2026, only assets up to one million pounds will be tax-free with assets above this threshold qualifying for 50% tax relief, resulting in an effect of 20% tax charge. So for over 30 years, farmers could upon passing away, they shift that land, that family land that's been in the family for generations.

They shift it to the next generation with no tax. They can keep farming. And farming is often, you know, these aren't billionaires rolling around in money. These are people that are really working the land hard. They don't have a lot of extra money lying around. So a 20% tax basically can shut down, completely shut down farms. And this comes from Rachel Reeves. She's the Chancellor of the Exchequer, which is basically in the UK, like the chief financial minister. And she has only been in office a little over four months at that position. She's already making these sweeping tax laws that are really unheard of for over three decades in the UK. And so here's the headlines. This looks like it's going to backfire math.

Some of the headlines here, death tax on farmers threatened 5 million acres of British countryside. It says the average farm has 203 acres and is valued at 2.2 million pounds, according to analysis by accounting firm Safari. This means that farmers would need to sell 23 acres of land at the current market rate of 11,000 pounds an acre in order to pay the bill, which would total up 246,000 pounds. Another headline, BBC tax change will be the death of the family farm. So you're seeing a big, big push to really shut down these family farms, despite the fact that the people pushing this, like Rachel Reeves are saying, it's not going to affect a lot of people. This is just something to help our country.

Well, why? Why is this happening? Well, one of the reasons it may be happening, I'll just go to some pictures. Check out some of these pictures of the UK countryside. You notice anything different? You notice all the farms that aren't there, and they're replaced by these metallic, silvery, shiny things. Well, those are solar panels. And this is the other narrative that's running headlong into these farmers being essentially eliminated. Here's some of the headlines. This is Norfolk countryside under attack from solar panels warrants council leader thousands of acres of farmland at risk. Another one, this is Suffolk County Council. Council's shock at solar farm, go ahead, says the approval of this solar farm is a massive blow to local communities, agriculture, nature,

and our landscape in the west of Suffolk, I am frankly shocked that the poorest infrastructure application that have ever dealt with has now been approved. We highlighted numerous deficiencies in the submission. The voices of thousands of local residents, businesses, and organizations have not been listened to. This scheme will permanently and detrimentally impact the landscape of the vast part of West Suffolk and remove thousands of acres of land from food production. So what's happening right now is there's a lot of money, a lot of green energy money, for solar panels for these for these net zero transitions to build on this land and per acre of land you can make way more with solar than you can with farmland and so enter another UK government

individual in this so we have Rachel Reeves just putting the pedal to the metal with the farmland exiting out of the UK then we have Ed Miliband and he's the secretary of state for energy security and what's called the net zero of the United Kingdom and Miliband is kind of taking it upon himself to just rubber stamp these gigantic solar panel farms that before he came in they were held up because of regulations as they should be and so here's the headline here britain's farmers brace for milliband solar shockwave it says tenant farmers warn they face being cleared out as landowners sell up to net zero developers and so this was happening in the uk so you're seeing from from country to country some countries are rapidly accelerating and just you know really kind of decimating

the farmland because we've talked about in in previous episodes here. These solar panels are not environmentally friendly. The batteries do not store energy for very long. So in the UK especially, you can have weeks at a time when the sun's not out. Or I mean, just at night, you're not getting the solar panel energy because you have to worry

about these batteries. Huge questions about the transition and the technology here. But the UK is going full steam ahead. It's interesting to see where the US is going to go with this. Will they reverse these green energy policies or will they go in that direction? We do not know, but with Lee Zeldon coming in, you know, there's a hint of what direction might be going.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I read a great book unsettled and now we keep trying to get the author in here. But, I mean, it points out how difficult it is to actually figure out climate science. Like, just, can we bring up that photo again just of that farmland? Because as I saw it, you know, it brings up several thoughts that you have to have. If you're trying to measure your effect, mankind's effect on, you know, climate, if you will, Just look at this image right here. Look how many mathematical equations are being affected here.

Number one, you've mowed down all of the plants that actually take CO2 and turn it into oxygen. They're no longer there. Instead, you're replacing them with these black, shiny panels that are reflecting heat. I have, you know, I have solar panels myself. They have heat that's bouncing heat back into, you know, into your atmosphere, which is heating it too. We know that, you know, just the dark color is absorbing and creating more heat in that space and affecting the surrounding areas. And then, so, you know, how are you going to figure, are we actually ahead? Did we make a net gain there?

We lost the ability to convert CO2 to oxen by taking out the plants. We're overheating this area now. And then, as you've said, this energy doesn't work at night. So you're still going to have coal-fired plants and things trying to, if they still exist. or everything's going to be shut down in the middle of night. I mean, it's just where we are looking forward to a return to some sanity. And who's going to make our food? I mean, the irony is those solar plants are probably needed to run the factory down the road

that is making factory meat and cricket meal and whatever disgusting pablum. They are deciding that is going to be our diet in the future and probably taking far more energy to run that plant than to just let the plants grow out this field. It's just, it's madness. And what happens to those solar panels and the wind turbines when they need to be updated, when they're damaged? I mean, you're talking about now environmentally hazardous materials that need to be done away with, buried. There's a lot of questions there, too, that really haven't been answered at scale when you're looking at this large scale. So, you know, we're obviously going to be reporting on this and we're going to see from the ground here

in the U.S. how that's going to work. Now, we have a lot of good news. This is a third week in a row. we're building on this good news. So as we have been moving away from this failed COVID response, there's more and more hopeful stories. And this is one that happened just a little while back. This is San Francisco transit workers, the BART system. They're fired due to their COVID vaccine mandate. They get over $1 million each. A federal jury decides. Think about that, standing by your principles, and you're getting rewarded big time for that for not taking that vaccine. And here's another one, jury awards millions to women fired after refusing to get vaccine. But probably one of the coolest stories is Shelly Luther. And she's from Dallas just down the road from you about three hours.

And she was a salon owner. And she was jailed during COVID-19. Well, as the headline says right here, she has just won the Texas House District number 62. It says, Shelly Luther, the former Dallas salon owner who was jailed after reopening her salon during the COVID-19 pandemic is headed to the Texas State House. Luther made national headlines when she reopened her far north Dallas salon in defiance of countrywide restrictions. I mean, these are the people you want in power. These are the people you want to give power to. People that have courage and have strength in the face of government mandates that were not

backed by science. And so this is all in the face, all of the people, all of our listeners, everyone that watched us that stood up for what they believed in. That was in the face of what we now know, according to this HHS public health care. campaign assessment was a $1 billion campaign. You can read this whole report right here, but it was a $1 billion public relations campaign to get you to take that shot, to get you to stay locked down. And this is what people were facing. And now we know also the CDC had planned quarantine camps nationwide. That's how bad it was going to get. Never again, obviously,

should this happen. But people were facing down this fear, and they still made those choices and they're being rewarded. And even in Alberta, they're thinking about changing. their Bill of Rights in Alberta to do what? Proposed changes to Alberta Bill of Rights would prohibit vaccinations without consent. There's that word again, consent, informed consent. We really need that. So this is reaching all the way up into the legislature with bills and amendments to bills of rights. This is big, big news. And medical informed consent and health choice is mainlined right now. And it's a really cool time to be a reporter and to be alive. So amazing, Jeffrey. I mean,

what a difference a year makes, really, if you think about it. Just exciting. And by the way, we used to be all alone out here talking about these things. Now you've got so many, almost everybody in the podcast world is over. You know, you've got Tim Poole and Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson, you know, everywhere you go. Like my feed on X, like everyone's on it now. Like there is just this huge awakening. And what's really sinking in this week after last week is, oh, my God.

I mean, we're the majority. The majority did speak. So many people said to me, I'm just so happy to find out that I'm not outnumbered by the craziness, that, you know, the sane people, the people that just are being logical and reasonable now seem to, you know, be in control of this country. So just great times, but lots of work to be done for sure. and, you know, we got to keep our, you know, our focus on it. And you're right. You know, we're not going to stop putting pressure on the government just because we think there's some

people in there that we know. I mean, it's very important that we stay critical. That is the job of media. It shouldn't give that up. I've been screaming and yelling that media has just been a propaganda arm for the current administration. Well, we're not going to flip around and be the same thing. We've got to remain critical and make sure we get it all done right. Jeffrey, great reporting. I'll see you next week. That sounds great, Del. Thank you. Take care. All right. Well, you know, all of this is possible. I mean, all of the things that have just taken place in some way or another, I can has been at the center of it. Whether it's those lawsuits against Pfizer and Naomi Wolves book is coming out the Pfizer papers, do you see how

that's something that, you know, in the end, it just lights up and somebody else takes it and runs with that now thousands of people are now looking through that data, hundreds and thousands of documents coming from the Pfizer papers. And you've got the Moderna papers and the V-Safe data, which we have won. And all of that now is in the hands of Rand Paul. And, you know, we have got our representatives are asking the right questions and hoping, saying publicly on television, I hope Robert Kennedy, Jr. really does help me get some answers to the questions I've had the whole time. All of this, really is because of those of you that have been donating to the high wire and I can. I really hope that you spent the week in awe, in awe of what we are capable of when we come

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My Domino's makes a match unboxing starts now. Well, I mean, that looked like a bunch of crappy food commercials, but what if I told you that that's not food, it's actually maybe could be considered a currency. That is what is sort of a fascinating perspective in this new book, Fiat Food by Matthew Leashek, and I am honored and pleasure to be joined by him now. Thanks for coming in. Thanks, man. The pleasure is mine. And that is a hilarious way of framing it, but potentially misleading, but, you know, potentially not.

What's sort of the truth than people might imagine. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. So it's, I mean, this is such a unique. We've been talking a lot about food on our show. There's this whole Make America Healthy Again movement that's sort of sweeping the country. Cali means, Casey means, you know, all these people now talking about, you know, the food supply,

all of this, you know, the seed oils and the colorings and the food additive. but this had a totally different perspective and a very unique one. So just to start to set the stage, you call it Fiat food. So why don't we start with the definition of Fiat currency, which is sort of how this comparator works. What is that? What is a Fiat currency? So Fiat means by decree.

And a fiat currency is a currency that is not attached to anything. In America, our dollars used to simply be redemption notes for gold. or silver, if you go further back. In 1971, that changed and that shifted. And what we have now is a fiat currency where it's by decree. So when the government says print more dollars, more dollars are printed. And what happens as a result, as our audience, I'm sure, has experienced is the purchasing power of the dollar in time reduces. And we call that inflation.

That's what we're witnessing. So in some ways we can sort of call Fiat like a paper, as we know, it's like a paper currency, but even more so it used to be attached to gold. This is worth some weight of gold or represents a weight in gold. And one of the interesting points that you make very early on is that a Fiat currency in many ways allows a government or whoever puts it out to have a hidden tax. Whereas you'd like to, if you was gold, the king would go, and you're going to have to give me some of that gold to tax them for a war or for anything. This way you hand them a currency. And they don't know that you're really just making more of it, which is devaluing it in some ways, funding things that you're not thinking about, right?

Is that an accurate? That's accurate. In the fiat money printer, the government of America has what I don't think would be hyperbolic to call the most. powerful weapon in the history of the world because since the Bretton Woods agreement, which was an agreement we made where the rest of the world adhered to the dollar, and America was supposed to redeem those dollars for $35 per ounce of gold, it's been able to weaponize not just the work and effort of the American people, but the whole world. Because under Fiat, you you know, you might have a $10 bill in your pocket, but you don't actually own that $10 bill.

It's ownership of your money is more of a slogan because there's a third party who's unelected, who can print as much of that currency as they want. And I think a lot of people are starting to understand this now. I would say only in this, you know, last few years is inflation. So I didn't really understand it. but it is starting to, it's so pain, when something hurts as bad as the current inflation situation does, whether you were deciding you wanted to move or, you know, or just buying groceries, we're now like, wait a minute, what's going on?

I literally was in the grocery store yesterday. Of course, I shop for organic, but a carton of eggs was $9. And, you know, I think, what was the other thing I saw? And that blew me away. Butter. We got a thing of butter, and it was like $8. And I just, I hadn't been paying attention lately. And I just said, honey, how long is it, how we've been paying these, this amount?

It's like outrageous. But take me through Nixon's decision, right? It's Nixon who takes us off of the gold standard, the gold-back dollar. Why did he do it? So go back to 1971. Okay. We're mired in a war in Vietnam. we've also began perpetuating a bit of a fraud.

We have been issuing out more paper redemption notes for gold than gold we had in our treasury. And this led to Nixon having to face a really tough decision. Now, Nixon's a bad guy in this story, but he's not the only one. He's in terms of this decision, Lyndon Johnson played a role in the prior presidents as well, where we're spending money that we don't have because at the time our dollars are backed by gold. So all we would have taken in 1971 was for a few different foreign countries

at the same time to try to redeem their dollars for gold to expose this as a fraud. So on August 15th, 1971, Nixon gave a primetime speech where he delivered what became known as the Nixon shock. He declared that the prime... The promissory notes that these countries were holding, the gold that we promised in our treasury was no longer theirs. It was just going to be paper. I had directed Secretary Connolly to suspend temporarily the convertibility of the dollar into gold or other reserve assets.

We will press for the necessary reforms to set up an urgently needed new international monetary system. This was a huge sea shift that I would say has – there's – You open the show by talking about, there's been a lot of conversation about the food supply and why it's altered. And I am, the work that a lot of these people are doing is excellent work, but I feel like they are the doctor

who's treating the symptom largely. Right. And to get to the core of the problem, it isn't just corporate greed and capture of government. What really facilitated this was that because corporate greed existed pre-1971. Sure. Yet we still ate about 155 pounds of red meat a year.

But what you find after Fiat is this shift, whereas governments are fine with corruption. We still vote them in office. They can have perpetual war. We keep voting them in. But when food prices rise too high, it leads to government instability. And governments are extremely. sensitive and aware of this. Talk about Sri Lanka in 2022, where the price of animal-based products went up too high

and people rioted. The government had to flee the palace. I mean, I also saw that wasn't at the same time they had changed their farming practices. They were trying to get them to use less nitrogen and all of this. They just got crushed by a lot of sort of world economic form, world, you know, global pushes for greener, whatever. I mean, so Sri Lanka just sort of erupted in. It was a perfect storm.

Yeah. So it caused a rise in the cost of living. And what you find is over time, and I chronicle this, because it's a really way out there theory when you verbalize it, but it hits hard when you understand all the levers of power and how the incentives have shifted. What you find is that they've, instead of coming clean to the American people and something,

look, your food's going to go up and price a lot. They shifted the food supply. So whereas in 1970, people were eating red meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, it became prohibited for politicians and those in power to allow the current situation in terms of red meat to persist because it revealed the true consequences of the degradation of our currency. So, for instance, if you're eating nothing but cereal, you don't really notice monetary inflation. Right.

But if you're eating red meat, you mentioned eggs, anything that you can't just print, like you can these plant products and matter to do some, you notice. And over the past 55 years, what's happened is the nutrients, well, food has become cheap. Food is still relatively cheap, but the nutrients we need to thrive have become cost prohibitive. and red meat is increasingly becoming a food of the upper classes. I mean, it's super fascinating. Let me just make sure I got this right, because this is what I think makes your book so unique. And by the way, it's sort of the subheading,

why inflation destroyed our health and how Bitcoin fixes it. But inflation destroyed our health, you make a great point. So you start printing dollars, which means now you're going to just print whatever you want, whatever you need. We were in Vietnam War. But as you print the money, the value of it goes down, the problem was people were going to see the value in things like their everyday cost. You point out, I only buy a house every so long or furniture, but food, the housewife is in the market three times a week.

So she's noticing, you know, not to make it sexist or any way, but we're talking in 1970s. This is who's doing the shopping. Mom's in their shopping three times a week. Wait a minute. But the hard asset that didn't move in many ways was beef, you know, eggs, chicken, these things stayed. So they just got more and more expensive. And you know, as you pointed out, we've had food panics of the crisis breadlines in Russia or whatever. This idea of not being able to feed your people or them not be able to afford their food is where you really start having, you could just have a calamity.

You can have the nation just go into absolute craziness. So what you're saying is at the moment that started happening, somebody says, hold on a second. We need a food supply that we can control that moves with the currency where people don't see it. If we shift the, I mean, this is what's so fascinating because Casey means Cali means that at some point, we shifted to bread being the base of the food pyramid. Why that happened? They put it towards green. Be like, no, no, no, here's what's happened.

bread we can always stretch out. We can put more food at it. We can cereals and it's cheaper to create so we can fill people with bread and they won't notice that they can't afford to eat. If we keep them on steaks and meat and chicken and eggs, they're going to realize they're poor. And so they put all the energy behind. It's actually healthier for you to eat more bread, more sugar, more of this stretched out added food supply so that we would not be aware that our food was being inflated in ways. Is that the basic concept?

No, you totally got it. And it's a fascinating concept. It's it is. And as evidence out point to the fact that pre-1970, corporations were still trying to make a profit, right? Like, they were still pushing all this. So you have these two levers, These two major levers at play pre-1970 trying to change our food supply.

One of them was the Seventh-day Adventist Church, which is highly influential in the field of nutrition. And a little background on the church, it was started by somebody named Ellen White. Okay. In the early 1900s, late 1800s. And she got hit in the head with a rock. And she believed when she came out of a coma that God was giving her messages that, basically anything to do with health or ill health came from carnal desires, which were caused by meat. So this movement began to blossom, including John Harvey Kellogg, who was hired by her,

to create a food to replace meat for breakfast. And the whole reasoning behind this, as the same with the gram cracker, was to purify the soul so that, young men wouldn't have carnal desires and would be able to be ready for Christ to return. They became, John Harvey Kellogg was followed by somebody named Liana Cooper, who started the American Dietetic Association, which in time became a formalized arm of government. Also during this pre-1970, you had corporations who make far more profit on plant-based products than they do on meat, because, as we said, you can't just, you can't mass produce meat at scale. You talk to a rancher.

It's very time intensive. Yeah. But still, these two factors at play, 1970, Americans are still eating meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. What happened in 1971 when the currency was debased was Fiat tilted this table and shifted their resources to fund a lot of the nutrition science through the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Little Belinda University in California gets around $150 million in grants printed from Fiat.

What you also had at the same time was Nixon hiring somebody named Earl Butts to run the Department of Agriculture. And his job was to consolidate the food supply. So he began putting bazillions, hundreds of millions of dollars into subsidies for corn, soy and sugar. That's why if you go to Mexico, you can still get cane sugar in your Coke. Here, we put corn on our pancakes.

Corn is on everything into form of fructose. And you talk about how they saw in mouse studies. You could fatten up a mouse better with the same calories of corn syrup as you could with than you did with sugar. So it, you know. It's been completely detrimental to our health. So what happened when Fiat shifted it was it put all this momentum on the side of these anti-meat groups.

Later, the Seventh-day Adventist Church would sort of merge with the environmental group. And you can look at the consequences. Just go to any Walmart and American, look in line. Look at our neighbors and our brothers and sisters and people are sick. And it's a complete result of this distortion. Because we've distorted our food to compensate and obfuscate the monetary degradation conducted by authorities. And it's, it's, I appreciate you having me on because I think most people don't understand

the core of the problem. They realize that something's wrong with the food supply. And they realize that because at this point it's obvious, right? But the core comes down to the money. Well, I mean, I think it's even core, yes, money, but why is getting? to be this less and less tangible kind of like why like sure money but then why would all these people that aren't like politicians i mean i think that's what's interesting is why is the government involved it like how much money does the government need from it but before we get too far down there

i want to sort of stay because there's a fact to what i did not know as you said the sort of carnal desire you know you've got seventh-day adventist but the the gram-cracker which is designed by what was his name? Graham. So Graham is a part of this. He wants to solve the carnal desire for self-pleasuring. And his answer was this wafer that would calm people down called the Graham Cracker. Yeah, Kellogg's Corn Flakes and the Graham Cracker were designed as anti-masterbutorial drugs.

And we're feeding it to our children. They stated that. And we're like, and we're wondering, why the birth rates are going down. I mean, it's... So you think it works? Do you think it actually works? Oh, of course. Of course. Meat has been associated with lust and

and carnal desires. Romans wouldn't go to war sometimes until their soldiers had enough meat. Fertility and meat have been intertwined, and it's interesting because we're starting to understand more for men, testosterone and meat. There's a

huge connection. Testosterone's dropping, as is meat consumption. I don't think that's a coincidence. I think there's definitely other factors. You hear Robert Kennedy discuss a lot of these in detail, and he's very knowledgeable, and I believe he's very well researched. But, of course, they were ahead

of their time, and I would argue that John Harvey Kellogg has largely been vindicated. I mean, he, he, after he left Kellogg's and stopped making cereal, he actually became a eugenicist, which is in the same wheelhouse of trying to

repress human reproduction. Your book is some things we've covered Fabian society, you know, all of these goals for eugenesis throughout time is really very interesting. And one other factor I want to mention is that you go back to 1970 when Nixon did this, there was a book

called The Population Bomb. Yep. Written by Paul Erlich, who I think, I would regard as one of the dumbest men who's ever lived in the sense that every prediction he made has proven to be demonstrably. false. But at the time, this was required reading in all academia, this highbrow book,

which posited that we needed to shift to also diet for a healthy planet was another one. They posited that we had to shift to a less meat intensive diet because meat consumed too many resources. And we're all going to end up eating each other. So he had all these predictions that by 1986, you know, the population would grow to do. is such an extent, and because we ate too much meat. So there's been these random justifications throughout time why we shouldn't eat meat, but they're more religion than science. And when your audience is probably right now thinking,

but I've seen all these articles about these studies. The majority of these studies done that say that meat is not good for you, when you peel the curtain back, you understand that they're observational studies, meaning they can't have causal relation. They can't establish a causal relationship, just an association. And many of them, the vast majority of them, are conducted by Lobel and University, which is run by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

So I would ask your audience to really regard a lot of these studies as marketing. Because that's really what it is, as is the dietary food guidelines, which are run by, you know, the USDA is heavily financed by a lot of the same corporations who profit most from a cheaper food supply. Like all these American Heart Association being funded by, you know. I mean, you have the 1980 food guidelines, which told us eat less meat, eat more grains. And then American Heart Association had a, they said, well, maybe eat more jelly beans and sugar. That's good. Gumdrops are good.

And then you had the 1992 food guidelines. I'm not sure how old are you are. You look pretty young. I'm not going to remember that. Yeah, well, actually, just barely. Just barely. So they're telling us to eat at that point eight to 11 servings of grains a day, which is a recipe for metabolic dysfunction. Right.

And I caution people to say, oh, these are just government guidelines. They don't affect me. Well, the government guidelines become instituted as law for every single public school in America. So by the time I came out of public school, I was already metabolically comprehensive. I had had huge amounts of grains, sugar. Eisenhower put whole milk into the public school, and that was replaced, it became outlawed. It's against the law to serve whole milk.

Nobody liked low-fat milk because it's disgusting and tasteless. So they infused it with strawberry and sugar, which is full of sugar. Right. I mean, it's such a trap that got established that it's hard for people to see outside of it at this point. One of my questions in reading, because, you know, it's hard to tell whether it's a cause and effect that it's just the fiat currency comes in and then you've got to control the food supply so you don't have, you know, riots in the streets. Is that what's happening? Or is it a similar, you know, control of the population?

As you said, depopulation. But here's my question. One of the things that we, you know, I have a legal team that sues the government all the time for not being transparent about safety studies and trials. And what my audience is getting really used to is for being lied to all the time. And for some reason, there's this real revolving door between corporate interests and the regulatory agencies that are supposed to be protecting us. They're supposed to be doing these studies. And we can't really put our finger on why. I mean, a lot of my works in the vaccine space, you can get that if they ever do a study that shows anybody is getting injured, you know, injured, even if it's a tiny group of people, they'll be a panic and they're just afraid everyone will stop vaccinating.

So that seems to be a motivation. But with food, you know, one of the things that I wondered is, is the reason we are, our regulatory agencies are approving so many chemicals, so many dies, so many pesticides and herbicides and the things that we're, you know, that our nations being. told we have to do it this way in order to produce enough food. And so it's not doing the proper safety studies. Is it because, in many ways, our dollars not backed by gold is backed by, in some ways, American confidence, but in, you know, our strength as an economic force? So if suddenly the FDA says, actually, you know, all the Kellogg's cereal or an Obisco, this stuff's killing you and suddenly the stock drops on that or Nabisco's, you know, control over food supplies and other countries could come down. Is our currency, I guess is my question, is our

currency the way we protect our currency since it's backed by what we create, is our government covering up for the fact that we have a substandard product so that it holds onto its value? Does that make sense? It does. It's an interesting question. I'm a conventional, I used to be, before I became a heretic, I used to be a mainstream journalist, you know, appeared on Fox and MSNBC and all these shows and did a lot of mainstream journalism work. And when I jumped onto this topic and saw what amounted to a 55-year gaslighting campaign, I wanted to write a book that was linear because you have a background in journalism.

Yeah. You begin with the beginning, right? What was difficult was that it's also incestuous. So trying to write about... where corporate influence begins and ends. I'll give your audience an example. In January of 2023, the Tufts Food Compass came out.

Tufts Food Compass is the number one leading group of nutrition experts and their advice in the country. And January of 2020, they came out with their Tufts Food Compass and it ranked foods in order of what was healthiest and what should be avoided. Okay. 55

Cereals made that list and ranked ahead of red meat. The federal government vigorously defended this. Vigorously defended the Tuft's food compass. Same month,

same month, Dell, January of 2023, 60 minutes airs a new segment. And in it, they have a doctor named Dr. Fatima Stanford, who shows up in her white coat

and she explains that science, very articulate, explains that science has now taught us that obesity, health, becoming bigger, it's not your fault. It's a genetic brain disease. It has nothing to do with lifestyle. For many of us, we can go on a diet, something like the biggest loser, right? 96% of those participants in the biggest loser regained their weight because their brain worked well. was supposed to bring them back to store what they needed or what the brain thinks it needs. So willpower, throw that out the window. It's a brain disease. It is.

It's a brain disease. Now, the show is sponsored by Novo Nordisk, the parent company of Wagovi, same producers of these weight loss shots. Yeah. The only other expert on that panel was also a paid consultant. So the show is sponsored by Novo Nordisk. didn't give you a Zempick. As were the two backsers. Right, right.

The same month, the American Pediatrics Association for the very first time recommends that changes in youth obesity to the extent that now we should recommend these obesity drugs, to children as young as 12. Now, I can't think of anything more heinous and destructive to the human soul than telling somebody that they're not responsible for the most fundamental. aspect of their own existence, their health. They're saying you're no longer in control. And it's this movement I find where they're trying to push this notion that we need to

outsource our volition to credentialed authorities. Yeah. And all these things happened at the same time. Now, I looked for public records for some sort of hint of a conspiracy. Like, did they all? No. I couldn't find any evidence. But I'd be naive to think that all.

All these things happen at the same time. It's just a coincidence. And it kind of goes into this wider societal movement against individualism and towards collectivism. And I think what I've found, it seems to be the main tool of authority right now, is trying to make individuals feel guilty for who they are, A, and out of control. So, you know, it's like, your mask helps you. And it helps me. Right.

They're not just trying to say, wear the mask for yourself. They're trying to say, like, you know, you're hurting people. And I just, one of the things that when I went through this deep, deep dive, that just hit me was how self,

like, how our individual health presupposes self-autonomy. Like, you're not really free to act if you're not well. Like, you're unhealthy, not feeling good. Yeah, you're not in control of your own destiny if you need to be within a certain distance of a hospital or a certain distance of a drug. I mean, what do we hear about when there's a hurricane, the people that are really in trouble, like suddenly, where am I going to get my prescription? These are people that are really in harm's way, you know, just at any sort of turn in fate, they're in real trouble. And our nation now, I mean, this is what is really such a heavy conversation in America, because we have the sickest nation, you know, really, I would say in the world.

You could say the industrialized world, but nobody has higher chronic disease issues than we do with the highest chronic disease burden in the world, which is shocking because we have the biggest hospital systems, the best, and we're supposed to be the best at everything. American exceptionalism is really just fading into the distance when I think the stat they're saying is we can't even, you know, right now when people talk about, well, what's the more important issue of our time? You know, it's always like military being able to protect is more important than your food supply or whatever. But the truth is, is like they're saying now, we're saying now, what's the more important issue of our time. You know, it's always like, Now, 77% of people applying the military aren't healthy enough to, they're being rejected because of their health. So we're getting to the point where we can't even mount a military to protect this nation. No, we're all getting, we're all fat and sick and compromise as a country. And it's a national crisis. And, you know, I know you've had this subject on it. I applaud you for raising this concern. I would just keep liking to mention that the core at the root of this was the attempt by the government to,

to launch a 55-year gaslighting campaign to convince us that the food that we've been eating for thousands of years as humans is suddenly bad for us. And if you can convince us that meat is bad for us, which our great-grandparents and our great-great-grandparents have subsisted on and understood.

And now we have these people virtue signaling while eating like 14th century peasants. Yeah. And I mean, the propaganda campaign has been unreal. Your great-great-grandmother was right. she primarily ate meat when she could find it and when she couldn't

she'd eat some other foods but nobody in Arizona was eating aries in January you might have some in the northeast for a little bit of time if a bear didn't get to him first but we've convinced people to eat essentially non-foods

and it wasn't only the government that caused this corporations were happy to exploit this you talked about margin give this sort of the history of a little super fascinating how I break this down it started at it started

out is just a cheap way to make. Yeah, there were riots in New York over at the time it was called Olio Margarine because it was cheaper and people were selling it and telling people it was butter and people didn't regard it as food. You have Procter and Gamble around the same time a little bit later introducing us, I feel ridiculous even saying some of these things, introducing us to Crisco. Because cottonseed seed, post-industrial revolution where we know we used it to lubricate machinery. Right. So they didn't want to just give that up.

So there was a huge marketing campaign to launch things like margarine and Crisco, which nobody regarded as food. It was not part of the food system. You talked about the molsificationally with the hydrogenation that they were able to make it thick. Otherwise, it's just this dripping, oozing oil out of these cotton seeds out of manufacturing. but if we can hydrogenate it, it gets thick, we can stick it in a bucket.

And now you're literally taking an industrial byproduct and saying, this is food. I mean, it's genius. It's genius because they convinced the American public who is hesitant to consume something that wasn't food. And then, I mean, I don't know about you, but I never regarded cottonseed as vegetable.

So we began saying these things are vegetable oils. It was a master class in marketing. And I chronicle how, they did that in Fiat food, I go through the very persuasive campaign where they begin saying that the fats we use for thousands of years, like lard and suet, that was old-fashioned. You don't want a stinky kitchen. This is modern and great. This is what the wave of the future, become a great housewife, was how they advertised it.

And it worked. It took time. But it worked. And it was cheaper. I mean, as the economy got more expensive for people, was like, well, I guess. and switch over this product, and it's good for me. It's the cheaper products is the healthier one, as it turns out. Yeah, so these corporations were able to make small inroads pre-1970, but once we detached from

the dollar and then the government through Fiat became suddenly now they're funding all these nutrition studies. They're creating nutritional guidelines for people. I can't emphasize enough how people seem to be healthy and live for thousands. thousands of years without the government telling us how to eat. The government didn't need to explain, like, no more than they would need to explain to a llama. Let's point this out. Once it started taking up the task of telling us how to eat, we got sicker and fatter and sicker and sick of fat.

Like, you know, prior to JFK, who, you know, I think had an exercise revolution, but we look at the pictures of people on the beaches. Everybody was like coming from their old cultural backgrounds. We had a, you know, we were a diverse nation, but everyone walking on the beach was healthy. And then the government gets involved in selling us on, which you're pointing out, a new way to eat. And part of it to try and hide the fact that you're going to recognize that your dollar isn't worth what it is because you can't afford as much meat. But we're going to just tell you weren't supposed to be eating meat anyway. So they sort of beat it to the punch. And now we find ourselves in this place, which is what makes us so interesting is you look at the 1971.

But now we're literally watching like, you know, even plant, like even growing things is expensive. even farming. So now, like, we're genuinely watching, like, laboratory food, laboratory meats, laboratory, you know, so this idea that you can, I mean, it's dystopian, right? It's soiling green or something. Like, we're about to be eating things that just get recreated by machines and computers and have no attachment to anything natural. And how much is it, is any of it that our government's just afraid they're not going to be able to feed all the people? Because that's what Bill Gates tells us. We're not going to be able to feed you.

We're not enough farmland to feed all the people now. And it's also the argument I find shocking by people that used to or still call themselves environmentalists. They're becoming pro-glyphosate, pesticides, herbicides, because it's the only way to use less water and protect the planet is we've got to basically poison all your food. The only way we can grow enough food. So this whole idea, again, is the population is so big, this is the only way we're going to be able to feed you. Is that real? Is it come from a real panic? Or, as you said, like, where is the government and industry?

Is industry just pushing this because they can make more money off of it? So it's different baskets. There's different incentives driving different industries and different foundations for different reasons. So for the environmental movement, I think it's, and the Seventh-day Adventist Church, I think it's largely sincere. I think they really believe that, I mean, for like hundreds of years, people have blamed the weather on humans. There was a point where we assumed it was eccentric women who were leading to frozen crops, so we burned them at the stake, right?

And it's gotten a little more sophisticated now. I thought about it like that. Even when you go and read Anasazi ruins, they have rituals to try and overcome any harm. or they've done to nature so that it's usually an eccentric woman right at the corner who's like responsible and then she confesses right yeah it froze all your cross over the volcano and will today you have and it plays on human guilt like there's a i think there's a real innate in human nature this belief that so many people have that they're susceptible to like

that they're responsible for the weather so now you have people like eric adams who will go in front of any camera he sees and talk about how we're going to stop kids from eating into public school districts meet. We already have meatless Monday and meatless Friday. We're going to put other days on there so that we can change the temperature of the earth. It's a lot of hubris, too, at the same time. But I do believe that there's elements that have a severe conviction. Corporations, they just want to make money, right?

So they're trying to make a profit. The market. The market will grow, growing. You know, market of food-based. It's altered. And when they stepped into nutrition, that's where you see this remarkable shift in our food supply. Because those two forces were at play pre-1970. If you changed the incentive structure at the top, there will still be people pushing plants.

But reality will reassert itself. And the human condition, we eat meat. Like, people might not like that. That's what we eat. That's what's... So we're in a situation now where there's an abundance of food in America, but nutrients for humans to thrive has become cost prohibitive. Yeah, go into Austin with me tonight and try to buy a steak.

Yeah. You know, it's hard and it hurts. We're always trying to give our audience a solution. I mean, you know, you very clearly lay out. But I think it's interesting. We've been studying this problem on our show a lot. you have a very different perspective. I mean, you know, a nuanced, but different perspective on what really drives it, I think, is fascinating.

And I would say beyond plausible. It's true. Is it the only, you know, how do these things all mix is, I think, really fascinating. But what's the solution? Like, we're about to lose our food supply. I mean, I'm watching any moment, but they're going to scream bird flu in the cattle and kill all of our beef and just end this conversation forever. It won't matter if you and I want a steak. it's going to cost $350 a pound.

You know. There's no solution that changes things like this. But what will shift, change the trajectory, would be ending the mechanism of distortion. So the root of this problem is the government's desire to obfuscate the degradation of the currency and the consequences that we see in our food supply. If we implement a hard currency again, inflation is no longer an issue. And I would argue Bitcoin, and I'm not a financial expert, but it's better than gold because gold over time always become centralized, then confiscated. There has never been an example where that hasn't happened.

I mean, even in America, under Roosevelt, confiscate the gold, keep the paper. Right. But when you purchase Bitcoin, which is a digital technology, you put a little, and you use Fiat dollars to do it, you put a little stick in the spoke of the Federal Reserve and the mechanism of distortion. So until I would argue ending the Federal Reserve, which I know is a kind, it's a bit above my pay grade. Right, right.

But you end the distortion. Like, just leave people alone. Stay out of nutrition. Stop subsidizing all these foods like corn, soy, and sugar so that there's more of it. I mean, what kind of culture is like they hate us? Like, why subsidize corn and sugar and soy? Nobody thinks that it's killing us. It's killing us.

We're subsidizing it so that it's cheaper. We're not subsidizing meat to nearly the same level. Right. And if you can just end the distortions, and then you end the government issuing the food dictates that all public schools must do X. So right now it's against the law for a public school to sell whole milk, which has saturated fat, which is essential to humans to thrive.

Yeah. You end all the fiat dollars going to the subsidies and towards these phony nutrition studies, which are observational studies, No different than me being like, I polled 10 cancer patients, nine of them drank milk, headline from my observational study,

milk linked to cancer. And today nobody reads to study. People are busy, they're working. The headline. End the distortion by ending the Fed, and that comes through the implementation of a hard currency that takes the control out of the hands of authority. And doesn't, right now, Fiat's just,

it weaponizes the entire workforce because every time they create more dollars, they devalue your currency. Yeah. And this is going to get worse and worse because the amount of dollars that are being circulated right now haven't even all come back down to Earth. They're still floating out there.

The money that's been printed and is continuing to be printed is only going to make meat more and nutrients more cost prohibitive leading to increased propaganda campaigns, don't eat meat for X reason. Yeah. And it's going to cycle downward until we change that trajectory. There's absolutely zero chance

we're going to get out of this. So like blaming corporations, it's good to expose. These people are doing great work exposing that, but it just leaves the root still in place. Right. It's going to grow back. Yeah. Super interesting.

How do people follow the work you're doing of a website or anything like that? I'm so bad at technology. So you're not technology guy where we find this book everywhere, books are sold? Yeah. Fantastic. It's a super interesting read, a great outlook. And I think in many ways, you're right.

We're going to, I mean, we can't just trust the government, but we also have to figure out, you know, how we utilize currencies and how we start pushing back or we're going to be in real trouble. All right. Well, I really appreciate you joining me today. Oh, thanks for having me on, man. I appreciate you. Thank you very much. All right. You know, one of the things we've been trying to do is give back to those that give to us.

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