The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 406: TRIAL BY FIRE

Episode Date: January 11, 2025

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Yeah. Let's do this. Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. Well, it's being described in many sort of descriptions as a hellscape, an inferno, hell on earth. Many of us are making calls to loved ones and people that we know that find themselves in the middle of this incredible tragedy. It's unfolding right before our eyes.

Of course, I'm talking about the incredible images of the fires that are happening right now in Los Angeles that look something like this. Breaking news out of Southern California where dangerous and fast-moving wildfires are currently raging in Los Angeles. The Palisades fire hitting the affluent Malibu and Pacific Palisades. areas. Then there's the Eaton fire ripping through the neighborhoods of Altadena, Pasadena, and other surrounding towns. And tonight, the sunset fire encroaching on the Hollywood Hills, the Hollywood Bowl, and the Dolby Theater, where the Oscars are held. A severe drought and fierce Santa Ana winds, some gusting to 90 to 100 miles per hour that made for a deadly and horrific combination here, turning parts of Los Angeles County into a hellscape in just 24 hours. The Palisades

fire exploding to more than 15,000 acres. 75 mile per hour winds overnight, pushing the flames up the Pacific Coast Highway, where it overtook the iconic city of Malibu. The normally stunning Pacific Coast Highway, unrecognizable. Fire raging on both sides, destroying businesses and homes. Here on PCH. Here in Altadena, home after home after home after home of beachfront properties are completely destroyed.

You have entire neighborhoods that have been reduced to rubble. All of PCH is on fire right now. It is like driving through hell itself down here. This area of Altadena has become an absolute wasteland. You've got rows and rows of homes that have burned. You've got some homes are still standing, but it's just a matter of time. This is really neighbors helping neighbors. You see some here with garden hoses doing what they can as firefighters

have been stretched incredibly thin in these neighborhoods. Last night was one of the most devastating and terrifying nights that we've seen in any part of our city at any part of our history. This is considered one of the worst fires or the worst fire in the history of Los Angeles, and it will likely end up being one of the worst fires in the history of this state and this country. I can say personally that those images bring up, you know, I guess feelings of PTSD as many of you know back during the Woolsey fires in 2018, my wife and I and our family lost our home in the Malibu, Woolsey fires. And my heart goes out to everyone that's going through this experience. I know firsthand what it's like. And, you know, we are lucky, as so many are today, that are getting

out with the lives of their children and their own lives and their animals. That is what's important, but, you know, there's so many things you just never get back, the memories, you know, the photos, the family photos, the kids' art that they've brought out, you know, brought through the years for us, you know, the ultrasounds and things, those images that you had going through the birthing process. So I just, you know, really our prayers are with everybody. We're joined by the head of strategic response partners in our good friend Steve Slepsvick and firefighter John knocks right now from the area. I know we're at the top of the hill. We've got a little bit of a rough feed, but we'll see if we can at least get a sense of what's going on there. Steve and John,

I want to thank you for taking time. I don't want to take too much time. I know there's so much work to be done, but, you know, boots on the ground, what are we looking at? How bad is it? I mean, it looks terrible in the news. I'm hearing worst fire in L.A.'s history. Is that how it stacks up from your perspective? Yeah, thanks for having us on Dell. You know, being a firefighter for 23 years with the city of Los Angeles working arson and a lot of differentists. In the city of Los Angeles, I've never seen anything like this.

You know, back in 2011-12, we had a serial arsonist that over a period of a couple days did about 100 different structure fires, but this is worse from the standpoint as far as law loss-wise, you know, there's a lot of issues, a lot of questions to be asked right now as to what's going on. You know, the beautiful city of Pacific Palisades is absolutely completely crushed. I mean, it looks like Lahaina 2.0. Wow. There's literally nothing standing but the fire station, which is miraculous as well. You know, and this goes from Santa Monica, basically the edge of Santa Monica.

all the way up to into Malibu. So, you know, it's looking about 17,000 acres just for, as of right now, for the Palisades fire. You know, there was a lot of issues with dry hydrants. There's a lot of questions as to why that is. You know, there should be, we should never have, still do a lot of department of water and power. You know, from leadership aspect to me is a complete to allow this type of tragedy to

to happen. Steve, you were out there in Lahaina. You have been through fires. You go to disaster areas. From your perspective, you know, how does this, are there similarities to what you saw in Lahaina? And, you know, how much containment are we looking at right now? I mean, you're looking at, this is like a hundred Woolsey fires wrapped up into one. the breadth and the depth of this damage is so widespread,

complete neighborhoods completely destroyed. What's going to happen is that when people wake up and start to realize that there's coastal commission issues on permitting, when they realize that getting back on the property, there's toxic ash and all types of carcinogens that are part of the ash. So it's important that people know how to re-approach these properties. Having their insurance policies properly reviewed. making sure they put security on it and that they have a hazmat team that removes any valuables from one secure location on a chain of custody to another secure location literally the place we're at right here is just to give you kind of a perspective this just gives you an idea like this is an active I mean these fires just continue right so you can see the whole canyon behind me here is just ongoing the level of damage

people that I see 30 years. It's massive, absolutely massive. When you, you know, for people that are going through this, I've been lucky that I have you as a friend through the issues we had, and you immediately said, get a lawyer. You need, in order for these insurance claims to go through, What is your recommendation right now? Because obviously this is going to be, you know, very, very difficult, I would think, for the insurance companies to handle.

I mean, it's so big. But you find yourself in this queue. I remember standing the lines for the FEMA, you know, help and things like that. You know, what do you do right now? I mean, even if you're probably staying in a shelter or you're on a friend's house, which I remember, it was so difficult having our kids and sleeping on couches. and you feel like your burden and you know your friends are trying to help you, but you just want some stability. But are there things you have to think about just right in these first hours

as the computers are filling up, the phone lines are filling up, that will help you get ahead, you know, in the situation? Yeah. So first and foremost, if you have insurance, look at that policy, have it reviewed. I always say have the best private adjuster who's going to advocate for you, get involved. One of the best companies, I'm just going to share their Nilein adjusters. Skyline adjusters, one of the best companies out there. Have them review it. Know that you may be entitled to a third party claim, like the

water reservoirs are not being full, the fire hydrants being empty. Could be some other issues like that has to do with California Edison. Those are third party claims that the attorneys will get involved in. The other part of it is your house is still standing. Have it properly tested by an environmental consultant. Put in commercial air scrubbers, have it completely deconged. Do a 360th exterior check for burnt embers on the roof. Look for attic ash that's in the attic. Remove all the attic insulation, hepa vac, everything, wipe all the walls down, have the electronic restoration inspected, have your contents that are soft good properly done by professional restoration contents company that can actually ozone the stuff.

And then before you put it back into a kind of contaminated house, have the environmental consultant do exit testing. It's not a good enough where these insurance companies tell you it's like nothing ever happened. And then the guy that comes out to do your exit testing, your environment, Ray Charles, that's who shows up. Everything's fine, right? So very selective, be very careful on who you choose. If people are looking for recommendations on who to use, that's qualified, that's reputable, that's going to take care of all your listeners, have them reach out to me. I'm happy to assist on that. And I want to touch upon another thing. Right now, think about all the firefighters that are out of work as a result of these Vax mandates, right?

John Knox, one of them. The guys from FD&Y, Bravest for Choice. They were on the phone with me yesterday, putting people on flights to come out here to volunteer for the private fire side of it. So in this catastrophe, if your clients are going to go anywhere, right, have them donate to firefighters for freedom, have them donate to Bravest for Choice. just support these guys because these guys are putting out these volunteer firefighters out here to help just everybody not just those that have money right so here we go again helene maui and like the guy said on your neighbor helping neighbors so you got professionals that are out of work and these whole dii programs this whole mismanagement is again showing people that they cannot count on government or state officials that are not qualified for the job right yeah and if those that are out there for the people that are not covered. There's also the give send go, SRP 24, SRP that could be done to it. But the most part of it is I'm just looking to help people.

That's what we all are here for. It's really to get people through this chaos, through this crisis, navigate a path so they don't get taken advantage of because that's the disaster after that disaster. You know, Dale, I just want to put one thing in here that I feel is really important. The boots on the ground, the actual, you know, firefighters that are on the ground, and working, man, law enforcement, everyone in that aspect, they're doing a tremendous job with what they have. You know, for the LAFD, we, you know, we've been short staffed for a long time. They just cut funding again, you know, $20 some odd million out of the budget for the year.

You know, they stopped hydrant testing. They've done a lot of things that, you know, and this all comes from upper management and from the city, from the mayor, you know, but the guys that are on the ground the firefighters the police officers they're doing what they're supposed to do and they're improvising and they're they're doing the best they can this is an actual overwhelming uh fire you know and in the city of los angeles we don't only have the city of you know the palisades fire um you know you've got the sunset fire that happened last night right up in uh runyon canyon you know they did a good job on that and and didn't lose as many houses they've got the haze fire out in uh van at the 210 and the, you know, the 5 freeway there.

Yeah, we're looking at footage right now as we're trying to get the signal back. Yeah, I mean, we're hearing reports of it being too windy early on for the aircraft to fly. It looks like the wind has calmed down as we're speaking with Steve Schlesefick and John Knox. It looks like we have them back. Hey, guys, I want to play one of the interviews of Gavin News. by Anderson Cooper in the middle of this fire and just ask you a couple questions really quick. Let's take a look at this. What is the situation with water?

Obviously in the Palisage ran out last night in the hydrants. I was trying the firefighter on this block. They left because there was no water in the hydrant here. The local folks are trying to figure that out. I mean, just when you have a system that's not dissimilar what we've seen in other extraordinarily large-scale fires, whether it be pipe, electricity, whether it just be the complete overwhelm of the system. I mean, those hydrants are typical for two or three fires. maybe one fire, you have something at this scale. But again, that's going to be determined by the local.

I mean, there, I don't know if you could hear, but Gavin Newsom is basically saying the locals are going to have to figure out why there was no water in the fire hydrants. John, when we went through the Malibu fires, this is exactly what we had there. Within hours, no water in the fire hydrants. As a resident in Malibu, you pay for a fire line, very expensive actually, just to be. make sure there's water there. And once again, we see that there's no water in these fire hydrants. And it just seems like to have the same issue, fool me once, you know, shame on me, fool me twice. What are we talking about? I mean, how are they not working out this issue of keeping

water in the fire hydrants? And more specifically, John, what is it like for a firefighter who is doing their job out there, risking their lives to attach that water, get there, and just watch the water not come out of that hose. What is that like for a firefighter in the middle? What is the emotion around that? Yeah, you broke up some. You know, we've got bad reception, but off of your last question there, it's actually terrifying, you know, you're tasked to do a job,

and when you get out there and you attach to a hydrant, and you're expected to, you know, protect these structures, people's livelihoods, and you don't have water, That's a problem. You know, now you're in a very, and one of the things we don't want to do is take victims to victims, right? And so again, this goes back to poor leadership. Poor city planning. It's not like anybody knew that city of Palisades was in a heavily, you know, brushy area or whatever. And so, you know, I'm hearing different things that the tanks weren't filled, that we lost electricity. Well, if we lost electricity, and that caused an issue because they're on pumps, why is it? Isn't there a backup system?

You know, there's a lot of questions that need to be asked and somebody really needs to press the mayor, the Department of Water and Power, the fire chief, you know, why weren't hydrant testing done in January? Like it is every year. They said because of budget cuts, but, you know, we don't spend extra money on that. We do that every day at the fire station

throughout the month of January. So there's a lot of unanswered questions, you know, and why the money is continually being rerouted to the homeless situation here in Los Angeles, and yet the homeless situation continues to get worse. They're diverting money from all of our budgets in the fire department, the police department, everywhere going to this situation. So somebody really needs to start asking these hard questions and holding these leaders or so-called leaders, you know, people in those positions accountable for the lack of,

of what we're seeing right now. You know, services that these taxpayers are paying for, right? You know, water systems that should be working. You know, you've got water and power saying, well, it's not designed to do. Well, you know that California's been prone to wildfires. Why aren't we upgrading it? Why aren't we doing, you know, things

that need to be done for critical infrastructure? A lot of questions. Well, look, I don't want to hold you guys up. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. I just, again, I think we cut out. I really want to emphasize that the boots on the ground, the firefighters, the police officers, what they're doing is tremendous, you know. What you're actually seeing is a failure in the leadership roles of everywhere, you know,

across the country at this point. And it's not just here in Los Angeles. So, you know, thank you. And know that these firefighters and police officers, first responders, are doing the best they can with the resources they have. They're understaffed. They don't have enough apparatus. As you've seen, the fire hydrants aren't working.

There's a lot of bad things happening. And people need to rise up and ask the questions and hold the quote-unquote leaders accountable. I appreciate, John. Thank you for your time. Steve, I want to let you get back to what you're doing because I know this is really, you know, what you do. You're funded just through donations and things, really working to. to make a difference out there.

We love you so much. Any last words for those of us that are watching from afar? Yeah, just be conscious that anybody returning to these areas, there's a lot of hazards, there's a lot of power lines that are down. Some of those things are still being re-energized. So treat it as if it's a live wire. There's a lot of nails and stuff on the road from debris. So bring your tire repair kits, your fix-a-flats.

Make sure you're wearing proper respirators, proper PPEs when you're approaching it. Gas lines are ruptured, sharp objects. And also, there's no comms up here. We're on the very top of one ridge that is one of right next to our one of our private clients that we were able to get, as you see, spotty reception. So get a satellite phone, pick up a Starlink. You can pick it up at sat, one, two, three.com. Tina Blanco is always out here providing phones and Starlings for all the first responders.

But just be conscious of how people approach it slow, lusciously, and we're still not out of the woods. The cause have calmed down. It's giving us a great edge to keep these fires contained. But it's going to be a long road to recovery here because some people from Woolsey Fire are just now starting their reconstruction. So our prayers with everybody that lost everything and those that didn't are still going to suffer because they're in the same place. So keep these people in your prayers. Just just be conscious, be love and support. It's not a time for judgment of who's who. Let's just be here as one community really helping people come back together because we're all humans we're all one kind for god's children so that's that's what's really important right now you know del real quick also when

people if if they've lost their home or whatever when they come back into the area again like steve said a lot of down power lines a lot of things in the road and if you're going to go into your home do not do it and try and get around evacuation zones and where where they don't you're becoming a problem at that point a heat all the evacuation warrant because that's where we see loss of life is, you know, winds aren't done, things aren't done, we're supposed to get more wins next week. If they're telling you to evacuate, you need to evacuate. It's only property, then back in to your home, be very cognizant. You're in, everything we have now is petroleum-based products. Your couches, your curtains, all of your tables, everything. And so you're walking around with the lot of carcinid N-100 mask or a respirator,

gloves, long-sleeved shirts, right? You want to diminish the amount of toxins that you're stirring up and breathing in. Just, you know, some advice for the homeowners that do come back in when they're allowed to. Really be cognizant of what you're doing. All right, gentlemen, I really appreciate Steve Slepsvick, John Knox, strategic response, partners. Thank you for your work. Thank you for, you know, being available to us in these incredible moments, giving a sight inside of what's happening there. I'll let you get back to it and hopefully have much better news next week. Thank you.

Thank you, Tal. You know, it's, I have to say, you know, frankly, we lost our home in the Woolsey Fire. I also lost a home years earlier in 2007 with my wife at the time in a home we were renting an electrical fire. Those first responders, those firefighters are really truly the best of the best. I didn't realize I wasn't home in the first fire. My wife handled it all alone. And when we got to the house burned down in 15 minutes, they taught classes over the next week with the fire department just because of how fast that home had burned down. And I didn't realize that they were in there pulling our computers and pulling in the driveway right across the street from our burned

down home. This is an electrical fire was, you know, so many of our valuables, jewelry and things like that. I had no idea that that was an effort that they made. They saved some very important things for us then. But these guys are really, truly heroes. And man, it just really, it's horrible to imagine that they're not being given the tools to get there and to think they're ready to do this job. And then there's no water in the fire hydrants. And to see it happen if it was the first time, okay. I heard that when it happened in our Malibu fire. That was 2018. It's 2025. You haven't figured out how to keep water in the fire hydrants. Well, maybe the tanks at the top of the mountain got emptied. You haven't added tanks, you know.

And then I look at the headlines, you know, record rainfall. I mean, I mean, you look at some of the headlines that have been out there. Way, way, way above normal rains could set all-time L.A. record as wet weather continues. That was April of 2024. Yet we're being told, oh, massive drought. Look at the snowstorms that came in. You know, I mean, there's, you know, right outside of L.A. up in Lake Arrowhead, you know, I think it was last year, had like 10 feet of snow. Yet no one in that area is building any infrastructure. My understanding is like no new reservoirs since like the 1980s. You know you live in a fire zone. And let's go ahead and say, because you all want to, they want to scream climate, you know, it's a climate issue. Well, why don't you act appropriately then? Why don't you get some more water so you're ready for these things? Why don't you start hiring people to rake out, you know, as Donald Trump says, why aren't we raking out of the pine needles? Why aren't we trimming some of this forest back? Why aren't we using tax dollars to actually protect people, protect the land so this doesn't happen?

I mean, all of it. There's so many questions that really need to be asked because when you just keep seeing the same pathetic repeat performance. And at the heart of this, you know, I don't, you know, I have some real questions. When you see the conversations about insurance, you know, that people's insurance was dropped, you know, just. a month of California's insurance crisis resulting in canceled policies, increased rates. Here's what to know. That was March of 2024. Can you imagine if you not insured right now,

insurers dropped fire coverage for California homes months ago. Now, wildfires are claiming more houses in Los Angeles. I've been talking to people in L.A. that said the insurance company no longer because the increase of the value of my home will not insure me for the whole value of my home. We actually had that here in California. Just to sort of wrap this up just last year, you know, I mean, I mean, sorry, here in Austin, Texas, where they drop my homeowner's insurance. And then when I went to look for a new policy while I'm doing that, the bank is telling me, while you're uninsured, you've got to pay this exorbitant, crazy bank rate to protect the loan that we have, because we don't have enough to own the house outright.

And then I, the policy I find is three times what it previously was. And, you know, the insurance broker saying, you better grab this because every other policies is six and six. seven times what they were charged you and it just made me think and i'm just going to put this out there this is this is a hypothesis if you will but remember this video that we have talked about a lot by the w eft just watch this really quickly just the beginning i've been talking about all the global power brokers all of the owners of the global companies that own your banks own your insurance companies have all been gathering in davos with this great new plan especially for america you will own nothing.

Everyone will rent. And I think we all thought, I mean, whatever. I mean, that's some sort of crazy thought in some group of, you know, jet setters flying in on their private jets and the Davos for this Dungeons and Dragons meeting. But now you look at it. And I have to say, when I went through this insurance issue on my own house, I thought, is this some sort of internal scam, if you will, some globalist scam, if you start polling people's insurance or underinsuring their home,

saying we're no longer because of climate, we can't give you the whole value of home. If they underinsure you and you haven't paid off that home, if you're not one of those lucky people that has bought your home outright, the bank now hits you with a giant fee until you can find insurance to cover the value of your home if you can't. Guess what? You're owning nothing. you're renting you know how many these homes will not be able to be rebuilt in California except for the

very wealthy and how many of once they are will be underinsured which no one will be able to do it unless you can afford to just pay for that thing in cash so are the only owners of homes in the future in the United States of America and I guess the world are just completely that 1%

affluent is this a part of how we end up you know being renters I want to, we're going to watch this over the next year or two. I think that there's something up. I think that these power brokers, if you own both the insurance company and the bank that handles people's loans, do you realize how much you can manipulate that market and change the world? Insurers are deserting homeowners as climate shocks worsen. Well, we're going to keep an eye without insurance and it's impossible to get a mortgage. Without a mortgage, most Americans can't buy a home.

Well, maybe we're about to all be renters, or maybe we have a new administration that might be trying to help with this issue. We're going to keep our eyes on it, no matter what, no one gets a free ride. This is the high wire. We're going to keep asking the hard questions for anyone that tries to report some conspiracy theory. It's Del Bigtree said that all I'm saying is our eyes are on it. We're watching you. We're watching what's happening. And speaking of watching, we have a really big show coming up.

I'm going to talk to Dr. Suzanne Humphreys because we want you all watching. the second installment of our polio documentary in Jeffrey Jackson investigates. The first episode has gone viral. It's blowing up, you know, certainly the trailers are out there. People are tuning into Highwire Plus to check it out. We're dropping another episode tonight and a huge conversation about the DNA contamination inside of the COVID vaccines. This is something we've been tracking and it appears it may be worse than anyone realized up to 400 times what the FDA says, is the safe limit. I'm going to be talking to a former director of the genome project, Kevin McKearinen.

But first, it's time for those eyes on the ground and everything we're looking at, Jeffrey Jackson. All right, Jeffrey, again, just we're not short of crazy news. And in a modern society, just shock and awe at how talentless we are at handling the same problems we've dealt with since the dawn of man. I'm so glad to see Steve there at the top of the show is really the most important story in the country right now. Yeah. It doesn't seem to, there's so many questions that you laid out that, you know, I'm not going to belabor them right now, but it's all I should be on that help in any way possible

to people in California. And Dell, it seems as we're sitting here, it seems like suddenly it's easier to speak to you. And the current of censorship that we're used to swimming against is become a little less. And I don't know, maybe it has to do with something. Perhaps this is it. It's formerly Facebook and now meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has tried on a brand new look. See what you think about this.

Take a listen. All right. Hey everyone. I want to talk about something important today because it's time to get back to our roots around free expression on Facebook and Instagram. I started building social media to give people a voice. I gave a speech at Georgetown five years ago about the importance of protecting free expression. And I still believe this today.

reached a point where it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship. The recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech. So we're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies, and restoring free expression on our platforms. More specifically, here's what we're going to do. First, we're going to get rid of fact checkers and replace them with community notes similar to X starting in the US.

Second, we're going to simplify our content policies and get rid of a bunch of restrictions on topics like immigration and gender that are just out of touch with mainstream discourse. What started as a movement to be more inclusive has increasingly been used to shut down opinions and shut out people with different ideas, and it's gone too far. We're going to move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our U.S.-based content review is going to be based in Texas. Amazing. I mean, first of all, you know, thank God. But it's what we were saying, right? We had literally in this country a political battle between one party, I'm sorry, that was saying, we are going to censor you. We are going to censor misinformation. We're going to censor malinformation. We are going to control the Internet and the truth that is there. This video would never have happened. And this isn't a political show when we're past it. as I think as a nonprofit, I'm allowed to say now that the players have been chosen, one thing is for sure, and he said it because of this election, because of who is just elected. So for all of you Democrats out there, I'm glad you still watch the show because it is very important information. And I've said it before.

I am with you. I grew up a progressive liberal from Boulder, Colorado. But we were staring the end of free speech in the face. And this, I think, is the crowning blow on the fall from ground. of the Democratic Party and the Liberals that decided to go against what had been a party that believed in free speech, completely and totally. That's why parents marched for in the 1960s, as hippies. They lost their way. And I think that this video right here is the crowning blow that that party no longer even exists. They now have to be rebuilt back into an American party

that cares about our Constitution. So thank you, Mark Zuckerberg. It must be weird having to bounce back and forth between whoever's leading the country. Am I free? Do I have to censor? Am I free? Do I have to censor? It'd be nice if he was a little bit more like Elon Musk and just held his ground all the way through. And hopefully Elon Musk sort of stays on that mission. But what an incredible video. What a moment. Yeah, it's an interesting story because a lot of people are torn, including myself. I don't trust this guy at all. Being a victim here at the high wire being a victim of his censorship on that platform. But not in that whole speech. Did he say anything about the hell? health space. And the health space, especially the last four years, he censored viciously,

his platform viciously censored people that were trying to share their vaccine injuries. When people are saying this is a safe and effective COVID vaccine under emergency youth authorization, people are saying, no, I'm getting injured. Sensor, you can't even tell your story, because that may lead to vaccine hesitancy. So, and even before that, here's a 2019 article. Before COVID even happened, Facebook vows to crack down on anti-vaxer group spreading misinformation to parents. Now, revisiting that misdemeanor. information, we're finding that those are facts that they were just censoring. And here's Facebook 2020 in November for questioning at the time with the facts we had. The lab leak, the origins of

COVID, Facebook took us down. We had about 1001.5 million views on our show. It's a major platform that we broadcasted from, just gone overnight, never to come back. And that's, that's Facebook for you. So if he can get out of the way long enough for free speech to take the initiative. I think this is a great thing. And it's not not necessarily about him. But Facebook itself has it goes. It's kind of like Pong that that very first video game with the two paddles and you have the ball in the middle. I see Facebook as that ball in the middle. It's going to go wherever the political wind shift. Yeah. And so in 2021, you had at the time president Biden saying things like this. Biden says platforms like Facebook are killing people with COVID misinformation. And then just in 2024 here,

Trump says meta stock sinks after Trump calls Facebook the enemy of the people. So you have president is playing this playing Mark Zuckerberg on his platform like a ping pong ball. And I think history is going to show that Mark's courage and integrity will change with the political wins. And I guess that's fine. But you saw this kind of remember. Let me just make this point, Jeffrey, just to interrupt you for a second. This is why this show exists. The only power there actually is is the power of the people.

It's because of shows like this, because our viewers have been sharing this no matter what, Facebook couldn't stop them, YouTube couldn't stop us. We kept sharing. We moved to our own, you know, internet platform on our website. We built our own tools. But it's you, the audience out there that has made this happen. You change the political wins. So this is why it's so important to never think, oh, I'm safe because I finally got my guy in office. How long does that last?

How quickly can those political winds shift if we don't do our job? If we don't stay diligent, demanding attention on our First Amendment rights, Mark Zuckerberg is only going with the flow. That flow is created by us. We, the people, the United States of America, have spoken. We must continue speaking now. It's peddled to the metal time. We've got to make sure that we reinvigorate and stimulate the power around our constitutional rights

right now while we've got someone in our favor and make sure we cannot slide back in and get in that moment again. But this is a victory for the people more than anything else. And well said. And we saw Mark Zuckerberg come out. And remember, Facebook, these organizations, even X and Elon Musk, they have at their fingertips artificial intelligence that's data mining all of our posts, all of our thoughts, all of our feelings, everything. And they can predict a lot of, We went over this on the shows before, but they can predict very intricate stuff about individuals that only those individuals know just by their posts. And so you saw Mark Zuckerberg come out when, you know, maybe internally there was something that he saw that showed Trump maybe taking an

initiative lead in the presidential run. And he came out and said this. Zuckerberg says he regrets caving to White House pressure on content. So he stepped up and said, I'm sorry I censored you on the behalf of the White House that was the administration that was in there, but I regret doing that. Then as Trump becomes president-elect, you see Mark Zuckerberg actually going to Mar-Lago after years of strained ties, says the headline. So he meets with him. And now we're seeing these kind of, these kind of statements by Mark Zuckerberg a lot stronger with less than two weeks of the election. But as you mentioned before, how would he be acting? How would Mark Zuckerberg be acting if Harris won the election? We have to ask ourselves that, but it's that flow that we have.

But the real story here is not Mark Zuckerberg. It's the fact-checking. disinformation expert ecosystem that popped up in 2015 that we've been dealing with. Yeah. And it was it was shoved into the forefront funded government put a lot of effort behind that. This is what Wired magazine reported. Meta's fact-checking partners say they were blindsided by decision to ax them. It says meta didn't owe fact-checkers anything, but it knows that by polling this partnership is removing a very significant source of funding for the ecosystem globally, says Alexios Martin Zilos, who helped establish the first partnership between fact checkers and Facebook between 2015 and 2019 as director of the International Fact Checking Network.

So you have these experts who really, there's nothing that makes them experts because they're presiding over everyone's information saying, we know better than you. They're in a big problem here because organizations like Facebook is one of their main funders, they're influence peddlers. And now we have the Biden administration who love to use fact checkers out leaving the White House. So that that paradigm, that ecosystem, hopefully is dying on the vine right now because of the lack of funding and the lack of political support, which is a really good thing. And then just for good measure, we have Dana White, who has been very outspoken about free speech and about the vaccine mandates, about all of the kind of inhuman and

anti-science stuff that was going on during COVID. He was very, I was spoken about that. He's joined the board of META. And this is the headline, Mark Zuckerberg's second key, they're calling them right-wing appointment in a week. So that's having people in Mark Zuckerberg's organization really making their head spin. But that, you know, I think that's a good thing. I mean, you know, I think about Nick Coton and his family, the MMA fighter and in, you know, many of our, you know, stories around MMA fighting, they've been on top of health freedom. This is a group of people that have been really so focused on being healthy, being at the top of their game in order to have those fights.

You know, I wonder if we should probably really do an investigation, Jeffrey, just on how the MMA has affected Mark Zuckerberg. I mean, we may owe them a debt of gratitude because I know he's been training for MMA. You see the images with him with MMA fighters. Clearly they must have to reach out to Dana White and said, hey, we think we're changing his mind in here. Why don't you hop on his border do it? Let's get this, you know, all the way through.

So just a very interesting connect. I just realized thinking back to all the images we've seen with, you know, Zuckerberg with his hands all taped up, you know, practicing for MMA. And here comes the king of MMA to save Facebook. Really a wild story. It's absolutely fascinating. And we're seeing it is a sea change. We're seeing this everywhere.

It's not just Zuckerberg. So just last week we had Canada Prime Minister Justin Trudeau suddenly announced it that he is stepping down. Here's what that look like. Take a listen. Last night over dinner, I told my kids about the decision that I'm sharing with you today. I intend to resign as party leader, as prime minister, after the party selects its next leader through a robust, nationwide, competitive process. Last night, I asked the president of the Liberal Party to begin that process. This country does, deserves a real choice in the next election. And it has become clear to me that if I'm having to fight internal battles,

I cannot be the best option in that election. Amazing. I suppose as you go on to say, and as I take down my Christmas tree will be dismantling the authoritarian government that's destroyed Canada and set it back on course to be a free people. I hope so. whoever ends up filling that position brings Canada back to the beautiful country it is. I was just visiting there on a business trip.

What a beautiful country. What a beautiful people. And they've had it. Boy, did they just get dragged through the ringer. So it is great to see this colossal moron walking into the sunset. And this is under growing pressure from his own party. So it's not just the public, but his own party is turning against him. So I think he saw the writing on the wall and did the right thing.

But just two weeks prior to that, you had his finance. Minister, head finance minister, Christina Freeland, people may know her from shutting down the truckers protest and freezing bank accounts. She abruptly resigned from the cabinet. So she goes two weeks later, he goes major, major shakeup going on there in Canada. But this isn't all. So, you know, I look at this through the lens because it's been our reporting of the COVID response. And you have Trudeau, Freeland, you have the Austrian prime minister has now left as well. Carl Nehamer. He loved the vaccine mandates on those people. He quits as coalition talks collapse.

He's out of there. And remember in Scotland we had a Nicola Sturgeon unexpectedly quits. She was the first minister of Scotland from, and she did a lot of terrible things to her people. But even in the UK, I mean, previously of Boris Johnson gone. New Zealand's Jacinda Ardenne, gone. All these people that they're replacing, they're just, the deck chairs are folding on the Titanic as it's going down. So we're being, we're seeing a replacement of for the a time pro liberty pro free speech pro human rights medical choice informed consent this is the

movement that's happening right now and it's like you said brilliantly it's up to us to keep this flow going so it lasts it outlasts whoever is in office right now because that's what really counts yeah amazing amazing just to see that i mean it's literally sort of all of the poster children of the pandemic calendar if you will have have lost their positions and gone out, you know, under really protest, you know, like with protests out in their streets, beckoning, leaving early, leaving post early, which is a sign that there's, you know, that that that leadership, that authoritarian approach that bought into the WHO, this pandemic, you know, all the science now in, social distancing wasn't even scientific.

There's no reason to lock us down. The masks were never proven to work. And of course, the vaccine was useless at best and dangerous. at the worst and all of these people sold it and now they've been sold down the river. It's great to see. And I have to say, it's hard not to gloat right now, Jeffrey, because I think every one of these stories, every one of these people, we were calling out whether it was over, you know, authoritarian censorship or it was over lockdowns or things like that.

I think about how many other news organizations were covering these stories. We're talking about the Canada Truckers Convoy. Not that many. Not that many mainstream. So, you know, and but yet they are. marching him out of Canada right now. So it makes you wonder, you know, how big an effect do we have with a high wire when we've been out there as a beacon, sometimes when nobody else was? It matters. It matters. Our voices really matter. And it feels good right now. It feels good

to know we are moving the needle. And there's so many stories that are happening. And it's important, too, to do what we do is look behind the headlines. And this is what is going on right now again with the bird flu we have more issues in the news with the bird flu and you got to ask are they trying to scare us again take a look all right a new report reveals the cdc is on high alert and searching for pandemic red flags california in fact declaring a state of emergency now because of the sheer number of cases there an unidentified 65-year-old louisiana resident with underlying medical problems became the first severe case in the u.s there are new concerns This morning over the spread of avian flu after the death of a house cat.

Do you think it's just a matter of time until there's just a full-fledged pandemic here? Has the government done enough to prevent a new pandemic? It could be a potentially high-impact event should this break out and we should be taking more steps to mitigate it. I'm flashback to January of 2020 and I'm hearing the same words come out of the CDC. I feel like we should have learned our lesson from COVID that just because we aren't testing, it doesn't mean that the virus isn't there. It just means that we aren't looking for it. I don't want to fear monger, but that we don't think we're not. I don't want to fear monger, but there is the potential of another pandemic here with the bird flu.

Is it going to happen this year? Probably not. Nearly seven million chickens and turkeys have been killed this year. The move comes amid concerns that the virus could potentially mutate and begin spreading between people. Health officials say they have no evidence of that so far. You haven't seen it yet, but just because we haven't seen it yet doesn't mean it can't happen. We do have a vaccine in place. It's just that we've never actually had to use it or roll it out because the number of kids. has been too low for it to make any real difference.

The vaccines we have stockpiled right now, about 10 million doses may not be effective against this particular strain, so we need to update those vaccines and have them prepared as a potential hedge against this breaking out. It is now time for new actions. I was pleased to see the Biden administration doing more.

I think we need to continue that effort. We need to do even more. I don't want to wait for the Trump administration to potentially hold up the vaccines saying that they want more evidence. Look, evidence is always good, and facts are not. are always good. Do you research is always good? But you also have to weigh that against a potential

catastrophe. That last line says it all. I mean, facts are great and science is great, but when you don't have any of that, you just got to go. And we need Biden to do that before Donald Trump comes in and decides to start thinking about it. Or Robert Kennedy Jr. actually asks, hey, has this been tested? Is it safe? God forbid that happens. I mean, outrageous. And what a one-trick pony. It's just while we've been reporting on Canadian truckers and moving Trudeau out, this is what mainstream media is still focused on. One out of the 400 million Americans, or however many they say we are now, has just died of this bird flu. Therefore, time for us all to panic. You have a one in 400 millionth chance, which is a pandemic.

Oh, my God. Please, everybody walk. Please, everybody go. you're done you're done here no self-reflection i mean in these media rooms are they going okay we have a story we have a potential bird flu pandemic on our hands and this is serious guys and girls and everybody who are we going to bring out let's bring out uh debor burks let's interview her that would be good people don't really trust that how about leanna when that would be great yeah she's obsessed with pushing vaccines and anti-american lockdowns and you get new experts if you're going to message these things

Come on. Okay. So what we're talking about here, Leanna Wend, she's saying we don't have the facts, but we need to get these vaccines out as fast as possible. Okay, well, does anybody remember how she sounded over the last four years? If you don't, this is what it looked like. There are many more people, millions of people who, for whatever reason, have concerns about the vaccine, who just don't know what's in it for them.

And we need to make it clear to them that the vaccine is the ticket back to pre-pandemic life. You have a right to stay unvaccinated if you want to, but if you want to be in public spaces, if you want to now be coming to work and be around other individuals, you don't have a right to infect others with a potentially deadly disease. Once you're vaccinated, you are no longer a threat to public health. So if you really want to take off the mask and stop distancing and go to indoor restaurants,

once you're fully vaccinated, you can choose to do that. We have a very narrow window to tie reopening policy to vaccination, status because otherwise if everything is reopened, then what's the carrot going to be? How are we going to incentivize people to actually get the vaccine? We should be thinking about this as we do drunk driving. You have a right if you want to be intoxicated in your home or in some other setting at a bar, let's say. But you do not have the right to be intoxicated and then get behind the wheel of a car in a way that you could potentially endanger other people.

The honor code was never going to work that when vaccinated and unvaccinated people are mixing, Unless there is proof of vaccination, everybody should still be wearing masks because frankly, we know that we can't trust the unvaccinated. In fact, that's what led to the surge that we're seeing. Unbelievable. You know, I've just heard from the booth, you know, we remembered reporting on she was so about locking us down as a carrot in order to, you know, get you to vaccinate. But then unfortunately for her, her kids, her, everyone stayed masked after the vaccine because as it turns out, it couldn't stop transmission. spreading it just as much as everybody else, if not more, because you're increasing your risk of infection, which we now know about the vaccines. So remember, she had a little bit of about face

once, I think she wanted the mask off of her kids. Take a look at this. There was a time in place for pandemic restrictions, but when they were put in, it was always with the understanding that they would be removed as soon as we can. And in this case, circumstances have changed. Case counts are declining. Also, the science has changed. We know that vaccines protect very well against Amacrom, which is the dominant variant. Everyone five and older have widespread access to vaccines. And we also know about one-way masking, the idea that even if other people around you are not wearing masks, if you wear a high-quality mask that also protects you, the wearer too. And so in this case, I'm not saying, I don't think anyone really is saying that no one should

ever wear masks, but rather that the responsibility should shift from a government mandate imposed from the state or the local district of the school. Rather, it should shift to an individual responsibility by the family who can still decide that their child can wear a mask if needed. Amazing. I got to say, legacy media, you don't get to be the victim, perpetrator, and the hero all the same time. You're literally on a public news show where people watch you

and remember what you say. And the new media paradigm is about integrity. So I don't know who needs to hear that. But I think Leanna Wend or whoever is booking her, I mean, anyway, so let's talk about the vaccine. Okay. Because the vaccine is the important part here because according to her, we need to get this out for Trump gets here. It's not about the actual birth flu. It's about politics. So get it out there. And so we have Time magazine. Once respected organization, scientists are racing to develop a new

bird food vaccine. Of course, this is an MRI shot. And it says here, while developing the M RNA vaccine would take just a matter of months. Testing the shot in clinical trials would take longer, of course. And then it quotes one of the developers here. We know the vaccines would be well tolerated and safe. Why? Because they were in the context of COVID-19, says Hensley. This is one of the people that worked with Dr. Drew Weissman, the creator of the MRI vaccine, who won the Nobel Prize for it. And he says, but any new antigen needs to be tested. So they're saying, because it works so well and it was so safe. That's our, that's our standard now. We're just going to do it anyway because it worked for COVID. We don't need to really do these trials. It just works so well during COVID. But let's go on.

So there is a stockpile of H5N1 bird flu vaccines. And so when people say we need to release a stockpile, this is what Time magazine has to say about that. Several vaccines target H5N1 in the national stockpile has doses of all of them. These shots target different strains of H5N1 that were circulating when the vaccines were developed years ago. But health experts expect they would still provide some protection against severe disease. So now we have the expectations of a health experts that are really the science here from vaccines that developed years ago from different strains.

Yeah. Okay, that's where we're at here. But expectations, assumptions, hoping, praying, all words that go so well with science. I love what I was just making this argument to a reporter yesterday. I said, what you're practicing is religion. And you're saying that we're anti-science

for asking questions like, why no placebo trial? How do you know if they're safe if you're not doing it? Why do we not have answers to this? You know, to believe, to assume things are safe because the previous product that you skipped the safety trials in order to have an emergency use authorization, how is that now your reference point that we know it's all going to be safe?

You skipped out on safety. And frankly, thank God Jefferry, you want to point out that we have a dashboard right now at Icandecide.org, where you can both read about all the V-safe data, all the injuries that people reporting on, you know, which is nearly the 30% couldn't perform daily functions, which we found on that dashboard. And we've got those open text fields, which was when they didn't ask the right

questions, how about for the people that reported deaths and that's in there, you can still search those. So all of this, you know, we're allowing you the people to go out and research the lies that are around this. It's not safe. It's certainly not safe for everybody. You know, I think we have, what is it, you know, millions. I think it's six million entries or something like that out of the 10 million people that participated, over 2 million wrote into the open text fields. I mean, those are crazy numbers, crazy bad numbers. All right, just wanted to plug that because we do that work to make that happen. Yeah, that's a smoking gun, too, of anybody, any journalists should go to that and write an article about it because it's absolutely smoking

gun information. But there has been a death. And so we'll watch that media montage, and that's a tragedy that any death is a tragedy that leaves behind family, friends, loved ones. But the problem is this death is being used to fearmonger and push a vaccine and potentially restrictions in the future. So we have the Louisiana Health Department. We go there because this is where the death occurred in Louisiana. And this is the report, U.S. H5N1 related human death. The first death we've had in the U.S. on this. So the Louisiana Health Department says, Department of Health reports the patient who had been hospitalized with, not for, with the first, you got to watch the words.

The first human case of highly pathogenic avian influenza HPAI or H5N1 in Louisiana. and the U.S. has died. The patient was over the age of 65. We don't know how much older than 65, but we know somewhere between 65 and I don't know, 100 and was reported to have underlying medical conditions. Underlying how many, how many comorbidities? We don't know that either. The patient contracted H5 and one after exposure to a combination of noncommercial, backyard flock, and wild birds. And so we have some more information here from the New York Times on that patient, that individual who had died. And we read into this article here. The Louisiana patient was reported to have been hospitalized last month, but state officials have declined to release further details, really, citing patient confidentiality.

So we know that. They can release the detail about the bird flu, but God forbid you have any other important information. It's so ridiculous. So it sounds like this person could have been in the hospital for at least a month. over 65, we don't know how much older, list of medical underlying conditions in the hospital, again, for at least a month or almost a month. So a lot of huge questions there that we should have clarity for

before we go trumpeting the first death of bird flu, not from, but with a lot of open questions here. And this is not strong enough for me. This looks like just straight up fearmongering at this point. The evidence is not strong enough for the media to be running out with this message. and for calling for releasing vaccines from the stockpile of vaccinate people with old H5N1 vaccines. It seems it seems crazy at this point, but this is where we're at.

You know, it's like, you know, we sit in these meetings. We look at this. They're still bearing on it. There's even questions. Is Joe Biden going to declare a bird flu pandemic before he leaves office? I think he's got a few more hours left to attempt to do that. Maybe exonerate everybody around the last debacle pandemic. We'll see what. happens in this next week coming up. But it's like they only have, like this is where the people, the they, like the they, oh my God, they were so terrified of they. They have one playbook and they are literally like that definition of insanity, right?

Just keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. It's not working, okay? The fear-mongering headlines aren't working. We did monkeypox, didn't work, we got bird flu, we're not buying it, one death. We don't, you know, it doesn't mean we all have to. to be terrified and we'd like a little more details on that information. But, you know, that's why it's important to keep spreading the information, the truth that we are. Jeffrey, great work, as always. Great new year. I'm so excited for the things that we're going to get to report on this

year. I think it's going to be a year of real change. Certainly here in American, hopefully we get to, you know, talk about maybe some light shining through in some of these stories like Zuckerberg. It's really great to see the pendulum shifting towards sanity. All right. I'll see you next week, Jeffrey. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you.

I really want to talk about, you know, what makes this show possible. We're coming, you know, the new year has begun. It's a very important year at the center of it, though. Look at all of these stories that came the high wires way. What makes that possible, right? Is it that hundredth monkey? Is it because suddenly we got to that group of people, of them that the story spread. I want for those of you have been here from the beginning, maybe

started with us in 2017, no one was talking about these issues. I would even say prior to COVID and going to COVID, we were the first ones to talk about lab origin. We were the first ones that told the world this vaccine cannot stop transmission. You won't find anybody else that is affirmatively stated that one day before it was available to anyone in the public. At the end of the trials, we were the ones that went to the emergency use authorization and said that 95% effective they're saying in the news is not. Here's exactly what the FDA has just said. They don't know if it stops transmission. You've been getting that information here every single day.

Well, now I'm glad there's a lot of organizations that have finally jumped on board because it's cool to do it. We're glad to have them. And now the needle is really moving. But what we can't do right now is think that, oh, it's over. We did it. You know, we're through the weeds. We're not. I mean, in many ways, this is like football.

Can you imagine winning the AFC championship and saying, all right, let's hang up our gear. We did it. Really? There's still the Super Bowl out there. There's still a stadium waiting for us. They're still taking this and winning it all the way to the end, which is what the high wire is committed to. I only care about one thing, winning.

And stepping inside of the White House. stepping inside of HHS and FDA, sure, it's cool. But that isn't winning. Winning is getting all of those lies locked away like, you know, Raiders the Lost Ark with, you know, when they finally get the truth, but then they just shelve it down into some basement you never see it before or ever again. We're not going to let that happen. And the only way we stop that is through the work that we do here. We need more funding than ever because do you know how many lies are buried in there?

Do you know how many bodies are inside of there? I mean, Robert Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Oz and Martin Macquarie are going to be in there. They're going to go up to their waist in a cemetery of lies and bull crap. But how do you think this works? Do they just go, oh, and here it is on television, and NBC's going to carry it for you and CBS is going to care it for you? Come on.

All the former institutions go, yeah, hey, just be transparent. They're going to have boxes and boxes to unload. Who's going to take it? The only way to get to those boxes of information. are through Freedom of Information Act request. And if we have some, you know, if we have incredible bureaucracy that's somehow trying to glom it all up

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We're going to go in and drag the truth out. We're going to make sure there's transparency for the decades. in generations to come. It's not over. It's only just begun. All right. Speaking of, you know, science and the types

of things we uncover, this is a story that we've been looking at for some time. All of these are so many different issues with that COVID vaccine, which you know, if you're going in for the booster right now, I know you're not watching this show. There's just no way. And for all of you that have a loved one that just went and was one

of the tiny couple of percent that's still believe in this program. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for your loss. I'm just going to state that ahead of time. But this headline, I think, is quite shocking and is very important. This is what we're reading just this week. Exclusive FDA lab covers excess DNA contamination in COVID-19 vaccines. It's an explosive revelation. It goes on to say other heads. Do we have what it said exclusive FDA? Oh, there we go. Rapid detection method of replication competent plasma DNA from COVID-19. M RNA vaccines for quality control. The estimated amount of residual DNA in one human dose appears to be six to four hundred and

seventy times the 10 nanograms that the FDA deems is safe. So up to 470 times more than the safety limit. That is what was discovered in this study that was done in an important biolab that the FDA overseas. Discussing this issue is Dr. Paul Offutt. Dr. Paul Offett is, you know, a vaccine maker. He made, I think, millions off of his own vaccines. He's been one of those compromised people that sat on the Verbeck Committee and I believe the AISIP Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. He's one of the authors of Plotkin on vaccines, Dr. Plotkin, who we've had under oath that changes his tune as soon as his hands on a Bible.

But this is what Offutt had to say about DNA fragments and why have FDA limits. Take a look at this. In November 2023, a physician scientist testifying in front of Congress said that the MRI vaccines made by Pfizer or Moderna contained fragments of DNA. He then took it one step further. He said that these DNA fragments could integrate into

our DNA, causing cancers like leukemia or lymphoma or autoimmune diseases or other problems. This was in November of 2023. Now was he right? Is that true? So is it possible that these DNA fragments from that starting material could end up in the final material? And the answer is yes, but it very small quantities. And by very small, I mean nanograms, which is billions of a grand.

So could that be harmful? Well, in order for it to be harmful, it would have to get into our DNA. It's virtually impossible for these DNA fragments to do any harm. They are clinically and utterly harmless. And the sphere of foreign DNA is a little far-fetched. First of all, we are colonized with trillions of bacteria, including trillions of bacteria that lie in our intestinal tract, which is a vast amount of foreign DNA to which we're exposed.

Also, assuming that we live on this planet, and that you eat animals or plants on this planet, you are ingesting foreign DNA, some of which ends up in your circulation, especially plant DNA, at much larger quantities and in a much larger fragment than we see with these small DNA fragments in vaccines. So I'm trying to reassure you that this isn't a problem. Well, I don't know why the FDA has a limit on DNA fragments if Paul Opin's saying it has no effect, but it's really outside of my area expertise. We're getting into the details and into the weeds, if you will, is just something we like to do here in the Highwire. And to do that,

I thought, why do we talk to an expert? Like maybe one of the former directors of the genome project. I think he might know something about how DNA and plasmids work in our genome. And so it's my pleasure to be joined right now by Kevin McKearinen. Kevin, thank you for taking the time today. Thank you for the time, Dow. Good to see you again. It's good to see you too. Now, I saw you kind of snickering a little bit, you know, while you were watching that video. Is Paul Offett's saying that it's fine. DNA fragments don't matter. That seems to fly in the face of the FDA

that's at least set a limit. Is it okay? Is it okay to have DNA fragments? No, no, that's a very disingenuous video he's put together. I actually put together a counter video that goes through each of his points and demonstrates where he's mistaken. And he cannot be this mistaken on accident.

If he is trained in the way that he's trained, he's being intentionally deceptive, in my opinion. So, for instance, he's speaking about you eating DNA. You have a stomach that destroys DNA with acid. That's not the same as injecting L&Ps. I mean, this is something that plagues a lot of the vaccine field is that they continually conflate eating things with injecting them. You have a path portal system that clears a lot of these things. Injecting DNA that's wrapped in LNPs isn't the same as the bacteria in your gut.

And if you inject it to be just so I can just. I'm going to try the lipid nanoparticles, right? So this is, I mean, it's a delivery system, if you will, which has its own issues. Okay? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So that protects the DNA from getting destroyed.

So he's making this case that if you eat DNA, it's no big deal. That's true because it gets destroyed by acid in your gut. But when you're injecting it with a lipid nanoparticle into your arm, it gets into your circulation. And that's no longer subject to degradation. It gets transfected right into your cells. And he's got the numbers wrong. It's not nanograms. When you see numbers like 470 times the 10-anagram element, that's in the microgram range.

The shots are in the microgram range. Wow. He's trying to throw billions of a gram out there to sort of confuse the viewer as to what a small amount of material it is. But when you get into the range of micrograms of material, there's all types of drugs out there at those scales that can be incredibly potent and have an effect. If you want to go over the history of them discovering LSD, it was a 25 microgram dose that they, Albert Hoffman took, that ended up having a wild experience. for 12 to 24 hours. Right. So these small amounts can be extraordinarily potent,

particularly when they're designed as gene therapy tools. What he said, he basically says, it's virtually impossible for this, you know, these DNA fragments, if you will, to get into our DNA. I always, when I hear virtually, that kind of has this alarm bell of sounding a little bit like bull crap. But how virtual is it?

So he should be, he should not be reversing the burden of proof on there, saying that it's impossible or virtually impossible for this to happen. He should show us that it isn't possible. Right. That's the point of the FDA. So the numbers that came out of that FDA study at 4.7 micrograms per shot, those would put you in the range of 23 trillion molecules of DNA, if they're 200 bases each. All right.

So 23 trillion, you have about 30 trillion cells, all of, about, about, you. Let me see, 150th of this DNA is the SV40 promoters. That's about 500 billion SV40 promoters, which are known to go straight to the nucleus. Those are gene therapy tools. So I love to see evidence that he has that this does not trend, this does not actually, you know, get into the genome, if you will, integrating the genome. But prior, even prior to that, he's kind of putting your eye on the wrong target. He's moving the goalpost being like, this is only dangerous if it integrates into the genome. not true. There's papers out there from Kwan at all that talk about what happens when you flood

the cells with cytosolic DNA, and it can trigger a pathway that's known as the sea gas sting pathway, and that can go, that can turn to cells cancerous. So even if the DNA just gets into the cells, we have a concern. Whether it gets to the nucleus and integrates is a secondary concern. It's the fact that we're flooding people with DNA that shouldn't be there. And the nature of this DNA is actually quite different with Pfizer. It actually has these SV40 components that are a bigger concern than what might exist in Moderna. When I watch a scientist, and I've been doing a lot of interviews around this issue, obviously, there's a lot of questions about what's about to happen at HHS with Robert Kennedy Jr.

I said, just science. I mean, we just want science to happen. So when Paul Offett makes that statement, you must, I mean, how many studies are being done on this? How many studies are, you know, inject, you know, like watching what DNA fragment, do? Do we have studies that unequivocally show that they do insert or that they don't? I mean, it sounds like what he's making is an assumption based on a hope and a prayer, which is not how science should work. What has the studies actually shown us? So there's a paper from Lim at all that measures this. This is a paper that looks at

spontaneous integration rates when you transfect plasmids, and the numbers there were like 7 to 10 percent of the cells were getting an integration event. If you look at a more recent clinical trial, a paper from Duncan at all, that's in the New England Journal, medicine. Now, they were using a plasmid is perhaps more designed to integrate than this SV40 component. It was a lentivirus vaccine. But in that case, 99% of the patients had an integration event. They had thousands of integration events, and 10% of them got cancer. That was an acceptable side effect for this particular terminal. This is a terminal disease that, you know, people die at the time they're 12 with this disease. So people are willing to gamble with a 10% chance

of cancer using that type of system. So the literature is full of examples of using plasmids to integrate. In fact, if you look at where Pfizer retrieved these plasmids, they called up their gene therapy division, and they even wrote about this in a publication of theirs from Thorn at all. I think the name of that paper is something about moving at the speed of science type of title, you know, a type of rapid journey, if you will. But Thorndon-Dol shows that they were able to accelerate the development of these plasms because they had a gene therapy department, and they called them up to get the plasmids. So these are these are gene therapy tools. The tools that are the sequences that are in these vaccines, at least for Pfizer, are designed to get to the nucleus

and to potentially integrate. So he's, I don't know where he's getting his information from, but it seems to be out of line with all the all the literature that's out there. I mean, that's, you know, part of the, and you sort of just said it, but just to reiterate, one of the big debates around this vaccine is some people have said it, shouldn't have been called a vaccine. It's actually designed to, it's a gene insertion tool. Dr. Robert Malone, who I think is who Paul Offutt is referencing having made the statements in that video. But Dr. Robert Malone, one of the inventors of this technology, was in laboratories working on inserting into DNA, trying insertion tools. My understanding and interviewing him,

he's like, this doesn't work very well. It keeps landing in the wrong place. And by the way, a lot of that, like we've been waiting for someone to be able to insert fixes into our DNA code to stop cancer. But my understanding, it ends up causing a lot of cancer because if it just lands wrong or in the wrong place, everything gets out of whack. And cancer ends up being a side effect, which is why we don't live in this beautiful utopian society where there's no cancer, because we haven't mastered the ability to insert and correct any of these points that I'm making. But, you know, this is part of what the genome project is about is how does this all. all worked. How do we build sciences around it? But did we not just take an approach in science that was about inserting the DNA and then use it as a vaccine because Robert Malone said maybe to be

better at that, you know, over a decade ago? I mean, isn't, you know, and Paul office says there's no way it would insert, but I thought that's what the technology was designed to do. Yeah, so they have improved the technologies lately with CRISPR tools. Those are a bit more targeted. I think what we're going to find with these is if they're integration events, they'll probably be fairly random. They'll fall in. This is the genome that we don't anticipate. And if they're, if there are these very powerful a million promoters and origins of replication, we can't really predict what that's going to do. So the integration risks, I think, are real. I always want to remind people that the cytosolic, once you get the DNA into the cell, that's where all the, that's where the crime

starts. It wasn't supposed to be there. And that's when you can start getting cell circuitry to go off that can lead to cancer, independent of it integrating into the genome. But there's no reason for us to assume that this will absolutely never happen. This is the language he's using. He has an irrational confidence about something that there's plenty of literature out there suggesting otherwise. David Dean's literature is actually quite a good read on this. He demonstrates that these are very productive tools for driving DNA into the nucleus.

So, in fact, it's probably one of the best sequences out there to do it. it. So there's no hiding from that. He's got decades of literature on this. It's unretractable at this point because it's been replicated in too many hands. And so if he would have tried to bring that argument to court, he would fail. When we look at this, I mean, here's my issue. We're so terrified of a pandemic that somehow wipes the species off the planet. At least that's how it's sold in the news. We right now, bird flu, we've got to get a bird flu vaccine, whether it works or not. H5N1, go ahead and inject yourself. Somebody's just died. They use these fear tactics, but I genuinely want to ask you a question.

How is it these same people that are so petrified of a, you know, mythological virus, if you will, because we're still here, long before doctors, long before the genome project ever existed, this species is still here. We have survived pandemics and, you know, these epidemic events. Yet, how is it they have no fear of injecting every single human, human being in with a product that they don't know and haven't proved that it's not going to mess with or insert into your DNA. What makes them avoid that concern? It's money. And the way, the reason we know it's money is because if you just look back from 2018 when they made those

two CRISPR babies, they threw that guy in jail. All right. So they had concerns at one point. But when this became a $100 billion industry, those concerns evaporated. So this is a money game. And they are bending the science every which way they can through censorship and through their control over the journal system. And if they can't control the editors of the journals, they then try to control, you know, Pub Smear and Retraction Witch. Those are two favorite terms I have for the organizations that run around with the cancel culture to take out like Didier Realt papers and other people's papers that are quite important for looking at generic drugs during these pandemics that don't have an enormous market share or, market potential, if you will, from a pharmaceutical company. They have an active war against generics, and anything that gets in the way of that will get, we'll get canceled and, you know,

denaritived. You know, just to wrap this all up, you are, you know, this is your area of expertise. You, you know, stare at DNA, you know, there's a focus, how it affects the body, super interesting, the genome project, just a massive discovery. As you're saying, CRISPR technology things, we still are working towards that utopian future. But right now at this moment, what do you think should happen with the COVID vaccine? Should it be, I mean, right now it's recommended by the CDC for children across this country. There's going to be school systems saying you cannot get an education in America if you don't inject this product into your children. There will be people told they can't go to work. What should we do right now under what you're looking at and seeing

as a scientist? So they should definitely be pulled across the board. There is no justification for these things. The FDA likes to use the language that billions of people have taken these things, so therefore they're safe. This is the argument they use for cigarettes for decades. They also like to claim that they saved X number of lives, and they all point to modeling papers that, in fact, don't hold up. These modeling papers don't consider the fact that we had alternative therapies,

and they don't consider the fact that Omicron had a lower IFR. These modeling studies were done by Imperial College of London, who we all trust so well doing models, right? Right. So they don't have a good measure of the risk of the virus and the harms of the virus. And then when they try to do a risk benefit on the vaccines, they are completely blind to all the adverse events. And that was demonstrated by Dr. Joseph Freeman, who went into the FDA and showed them that they are not keeping track of even seven-year-olds that die within a week of the vaccine. So when they come out claiming that the risk outweighs the benefits, no one should believe them because their own data that they're citing doesn't add up to. to any sort of quantifiable number, if you will. So I would not take more. And I want to emphasize that even if they clean up all this DNA, they are not out of the woods. DNA is probably a minor problem.

It's something that is very traceable, which is why we're focused on it. And it probably has more of the longer term implications in terms of cancer. I don't know that it's responsible for the acute effects of these vaccines, like the thrombocydia and the myocarditis. That's been more unknown. But I think I would avoid speaking to scientists who speak with such irrational. confidence like you're seeing from Paul Offit to say something is virtually impossible in the face of all this literature. I won't tell you that these are guaranteed to integrate. I don't know yet. We're looking into that. But there's certainly a possibility of it happening, given a number of

vaccines that are out there and the sheer load of the DNA that's in there and the nature of the DNA that's in there. These SV40 promoters are listed as being somatic hypermutable elements in the genome that can drive cancer. And the SV40 promoter that's in there, we know binds to P53. We don't know what it's doing to P53, but the fact that it binds that tumor suppressor gene is a red flag and should be looked at. So the irrational confidence that both the regulators are showing and folks like Paul Offett should be a red flag to anyone. There needs to be a full stop in the vaccines and review on what to do about this contamination. Well, Kevin, I want to thank you for all the work you've done. It has been a risk all these last couple of years to make

statements and show the science that you've been showing. It looks like some of that pressure may be easing. You may even get to actually talk about this on Facebook. It looks like if Zuckerberg sticks with his words. But keep up the good work. Thank you for taking the time to join us today. And shine some light here. You take care. Thank you. All right. All right. You know, I love it. Sometimes I'm sitting there and I know you're like, wow, Dell understands that. It's, you know what, some of it's Chinese to me too or, you know, big Latin, whatever you want to call it, where you just like, you know, I'm getting, I'm getting every, you know, every couple words in there, I think I get it. What it sounds like is it's really bad. And he, you know, look at the difference

in the type of science, right? You have Kevin saying, I don't know. I don't know if it inserts or not. Isn't it refreshing? You're refreshing to have a scientist say, I don't know. Isn't that what Paul Offutt should be saying, I don't know. And it's probably not a good idea with the amount of unknowns that we don't know, that we do know. Remember the Rumsfield thing? I know what I don't know. I don't know what I don't know. And there's what I know and what I don't know. And what I don't know. So where in that mess should be then don't inject it into people yet. All right, don't inject it. Let's just hold back. Or maybe if you're on death's door and you have 20 comorbidities and you're older and you want to take the risk. Okay, that's up to you. But to force this, to force this that here in America, you couldn't go to work. You couldn't be an active member. of our own military and protect our country. You can't be a firefighter at California and fight for us because you wouldn't inject this thing that we don't know anything about into you.

Well, all of this makes you wonder, has it always been this bad? I mean, were they always forcing this products? Wasn't there a time when vaccines were good, when they were properly tested, and that's what got us here? I mean, what about smallpox? What about polio? I mean, that vaccine saved the world, right?

Is that the whole story? Have we heard the whole story? You haven't. If you haven't seen part two of Jeffrey Jackson investigates polio documentary, take a look at this. Salk vaccine safe, effective. Along comes the first widespread vaccination campaign with the Salk vaccine. They were not going to let this vaccine fail with all the fanfare that was going into it. They weren't careful about their manufacturing standards.

They weren't careful about the testing. The Cutter incident was. pretty much a disaster. The fact that they were making vaccines with monkey kidney cells, they discovered the presence of SV40, which is a mutation that can cause cancers in animals and humans. When scientists located the SV40 and were trying to talk about it, they were threatened and harassed. In the early 50s, the SOF vaccine and in the late 50s, the save-in vaccine.

And everybody got it because, you know, why wouldn't you? Nobody ever heard of vaccine injuries in those days. Polio was caused by both, the injected and the oral polio vaccine. You could have an injection of a polio vaccine and still be a carrier and spread polio. So when it comes to the definition of polio, anything that limped or had a cough or anything before the vaccines came out in the 50s was pretty much polio. Afterwards, the criteria changed. Before the vaccine, there was something called non-parallytic polio.

After the vaccine, they termed that aseptic meningitis. No laboratory testing was required before the vaccine. After the vaccine was released in order to make a diagnosis of polio, a lab test was required. For anyone who says, my aunt had polio. Some of us have got to be willing to face the ugly truth. Polio is one of the ugliest. There has been scandal, there has been propaganda, there has been failure, and there's been injury, and it's been covered up. Well, everyone's talking about part one, but do you see, did you hear some of things in part two?

Does it feel like a small world? Did you just hear Kevin McKearinen saying, you know, SV40, you know, is, you know, is, you see, you see, you hear some of things? has got some sort of promoter gene. And here in this documentary about the polio vaccine, we're hearing about a monkey virus SV40. How are these things all connected? That's what we get into. Honestly, this is probably the most daring documentary ever made.

You want to talk about a religious belief, dive into polio. But I'll be honest, we weren't the first ones to do it. In fact, I think we got suckered into it by one of the great voices in the, you know, vaccine truth movement. She wrote the book, Dissolving Illusions. She is one of the central figures in part two of our documentary. Of course, I'm talking about Dr. Suzanne Humphreys, who joins me right now. Hi, Suzanne.

How are you doing? Hi, Del. Doing well. How about you? I'm really good. It's great to see you. You know, there's quite a conversation happening right now. in America, and at the heart of it, is always, oh, they're going to get rid of the polio vaccine,

or we should be terrified of polio. And it's crazy to go near it. It's literally like dancing on a third rail, but you decided to do exactly that. Why in this book, which is maybe one of the most important books written, did you decide to take on really the holy grail of medicine, the polio vaccine? Well, I never actually intended to be on any shows or to be infamous or famous or whatever I've become. I was created in a hospital by denialists. And that's how it all started. So I was seeing vaccine injury in my own patients when I was 100% consultative nephrologists in the state of Maine in a major tertiary care hospital. Okay. And are you hearing me okay? I am. I hear you great. Go ahead. Yes.

Okay. Good. Good. Um, so what happened was I started to do a little bit of research because I was very naive. I, at that point, I knew that there was a polio vaccine in the past and it was wonderful. And all these little crippled children, um, no longer, their parents no longer had to fear the crippling effects of polio because of the vaccine. And what a miracle it was because, you know, as a doctor, I'd never seen a case of polio that I knew about. Turns out I'd seen plenty of polio. And more importantly, I later realized that I've seen plenty of kidney disease related to the SV40 virus. But getting back to the question that you asked me is that every time I would make a claim to somebody who challenged me because I was discontinuing vaccines on patients that I was

consulting on who already had acute kidney injury and I would say, please don't give this vaccine or I would research the fact that one of my patients or then two of my patients and then 10 of my patients ended up coming in and saying I was fine until I had that shot. And I thought, well, can vaccines affect kidneys or not? And so I looked into it. And sure enough, vaccines can profoundly affect kidneys. Kidneys are incredibly sensitive to inflammation, probably one of the most sensitive organs to inflammation next to the brain. And a lot of what we is drug-induced nephropathies. And so why not a vaccine-induced nephropathy? And sure enough, I found plenty of medical literature after I was encountered my first patient with who claimed

to have a vaccine injury. So instead of telling him to shut up and denying it and acting like Paul Offutt, I decided to be like a doctor and look in a few books and see if it's possible and found that it was. So I, you know, I didn't have kids. I didn't have any history of vaccine injury that I knew of. Right. And so I was just kind of trying to find where the truth lied. And if the truth lied in the fact that vaccines are the greatest thing ever created and that they were preventing disease, that's what I would be telling the world.

But that is absolutely not what happened with any vaccine that I researched. So after I finished my research into influenza vaccines and that particular year, the H5N1 vaccine, or maybe it was H1, the swine flu vaccine. Yeah. I'm getting all the animals. confused these days. So anyway, they were giving two vaccines out in those days for the flu. And it seemed to have more of an impact than just the previous one. And so I would be talking to the chief of medicine or I'd be talking to other doctors or even to a parent somewhere. And everyone would say the same thing to me. What about polio? And still to this day, when I have any conversation about a vaccine, the first question is probably the same with you, well, what about polio? I'd just say, well, you know, back then I thought, well, What about polio? Let me have a look at polio. So after I finished influenza and the kidney issue, I delved into polio. And I tell you, I never imagined doing this in a million years,

but I spent two years of my life after I quit my job just looking into polio. And what I found was it was morbidly fascinating. And I just at the time, I couldn't get enough of it. I got all the polio surveillance units documents and all the scandalous medical information that was available back then. I found what other doctors were saying about the testing procedure back then, about the Francis trials, and the propaganda about the wonderful vaccine. And it was anything but what we hear over and over and over again. And it very much mirrors what happened with COVID. And I've been screaming from the mountaintops all around the world that this is nothing new what we're seeing with COVID. This is an old story that pretty much mirrors what we saw back in the smallpox era as well. So anyway, that's the long answer to your question.

And what's amazing about your book that I, I mean, I still remember, you know, I've read it several times now. Probably need to read it 10 more times to fully integrate, you know, all of the information in there. But we act as though sort of this anti-vaccine movement, if you will, or or even with COVID, we saw, I remember at one point, some CDC and FDA heads were asked during the COVID epidemic, how much of your staff has gotten the COVID vaccine? And I think one of the answers is less than half, right? And we were shocked to find that doctors weren't taking the vaccine. And I think there was a sense.

That's the first time that's ever happened. But in reading your book, there's so many doctors saying, this is crazy. This isn't doing like it's not working or speaking out. And there was a movement then saying, look, we may be causing more problems than we're fixing. But there was a real, I mean, there was a lot of written, I mean, that's what's amazing, newspaper articles and doctors reports about real issues with the vaccine and the polio vaccine. And we just think, why did we never hear that side of the story? Well, the beginning of the polio's vaccine story.

It depends on how far back I want to go, but before the Salk vaccine, there were a couple attempts at vaccines and the outcomes were pretty disastrous. And the scientists that conducted those experiments were devastated. So there was a lot of care and a public relations effort put forth when the Salk vaccine was imagined. And there was a fellow named Basil O'Connor, who was kind of the head of the March of Dimes and the PR campaign. And the PR campaign was so loud and so strong, which included showing pictures of little cute

kids wearing braces and casts. And everywhere you went, there would have been, you know, as I think Merrill Nass talked about the dimes that you could put into the little cardboard container. And so there was no way that the vaccine study that they were conducting was ever going to fail no matter what. And the part that was morbidly fascinating to me was seeing how many ways they cheated. even when they were cheating, they couldn't, as they say, with the autism issue, they couldn't make it go away. They still couldn't make the paralytic polio numbers go down, so they just

kept changing the criteria. So it was just an amazingly crazy time, but most of the world only knows what they saw in the newspapers and the TV because obviously we didn't have social media back then. Most people would have had three channels on their television. There would have been fear that was just spread across the world about polio, especially after what happened in 1916, which was probably again a function episode in the Rockefeller Labs, which had a 25% mortality rate, which would have set the stage for the terrible polio epidemics and then income the chemicals and everything else that made polio seem worse and worse and worse. And so, of course, everybody wanted a solution to this.

What they didn't realize is that the cause wasn't what they thought that it was. And of course, the vaccine was never the solution. What is it that, you know, it occurred to me in some of the conversations I've had that there's a passion to stop any reanalysis of the stories around polio. Any reanalysis right now is just talking to a reporter that's like, well, okay, even if there are vaccines that haven't been through proper placebo trials, which I said, yeah, none of the childhood vaccines. And I'm trying to get these reporters to actually, I'm sending the FDA website. Here's the evidence. Will you please read it? But it's like they just, and I've been coming to the conclusion, they're so passionate.

And they believe so strongly that no intelligent human being would put a product into children that has potentially live viruses and bacteria and sometimes formaldehyde and aluminum and all all these things. They know it's there. I think it's so preposterous to imagine that a modern society would inject something like that in the kids without just thoroughly studying it and testing it that they can't even like open the book or open the door. People like you and me, you've got to be wrong because it's insane to think that we would rush products that potentially alter immune system that have SV40, cancer causes, all that, without proper studies. So in some ways, I guess what I'm saying is we're so close to each other in the truth, right?

The people that are passionately against us are only passionately against us because they believe wholeheartedly how dangerous it would be if you didn't actually test these things, right? They're not saying, I don't care that it's not tested. I love that it's not tested. What they're saying is you're lying and has to have been tested, which means they're right there on the same team with us so they don't realize it. Yeah, the truth is so dark and crazy that it's hard to convince people of it. And it's some 75 pages in my polio chapter,

and very few people will actually get through that chapter and to understand everything. It's so easy to tell a lie. Propaganda just circulates and takes hold so much quicker, probably because human brains tend to be a bit lazy. And so just to hear a sound bite, that's enough for most people. especially where the sound bite comes from. And that's exactly what happened with the polio issue back in the 1950s, when the actual fact, if you look at the data and read what some other doctors were saying back then,

is that the paralytic incidents went up by 50% the first year that the polio vaccine was implemented. And there was a good reason for that because there was so much live virus in that vaccine, because the vaccine that was released was not the same fact, vaccine that was trialed, just like with COVID. They took the mercury out of it, which seemed like a good thing because mercury is so toxic. But what enabled because Salk realized that the antigenicity of the trial vaccine wasn't good enough. So he took the mercury out so that there wouldn't be quite as much killing off of virus.

He wanted to be more antigenic. And so what happened as a result was that they had more live viruses. And then they couldn't make that problem go away. So they started filtering the vaccine. And they filtered it down to the point where it was basically just water. There was really not much antigenicity at all left in the vaccine after all the filtration. And the Swedes had a lot of interesting things to say about it because they were, the Swedes

and the Germans were actually looking at what happened in America and tracking the data. And the other thing about sound bites and PR campaigns, a lot of people don't realize that the France's trial was a huge trial that looked at, that looked at some half a million children in America. It was a poorly designed trial, but it was very large. And it was, there was a lot of power behind it, a lot of money behind it. The results of the Francis trial weren't released

to doctors until two years after the completion. So the vaccine was already implemented. It was created by several different companies and deployed all throughout the United States. But even worse is that the licensing procedure was horrific in that a few doctors were gathered in Washington, D.C. for one day, it was a Friday, and they felt very uncomfortable about licensing the vaccine because they didn't feel that they were given sufficient

information. But the powers that B put pressure on them and said, well, if you don't license it today, we have to stay over through the weekend. And most of them traveled pretty far to get there. And the consensus was that they didn't want to have to stay throughout the weekend. They still weren't going to get any more information if they stayed throughout the weekend. So the pressure was put upon them and they just licensed the vaccine. And, and And so it's not just about sound bites. It was about pressure that was put on the advisors that designed the statistics for the trial. There were people that argued with the logic of it back in the time,

and anyone who disagreed with it was let go. And then they eventually had a very agreeable advisory panel for the study. So it was manipulated from start to finish, but the PR was second to none. And that's why we have this idea today that we no longer have polio so that they can start throwing these darts at Robert Kennedy and saying he's an anti-vaxxer, which he's not, and saying that he wants to get, you know, bring polio back, which of course he wouldn't want to. But it's really just because people are so ignorant and because they don't see these little kids hopping around anymore with short limbs. And that's also because people don't realize

why children had short limbs back in that day. And it was, again, an old story because of the medical treatments of the time is what was causing those short limbs. It wasn't the actual polio virus per se that was causing this problem. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's it's incredible. You know, we've done our best to try and pull some of the main details out in this documentary with Jeffrey Jackson. You're a big part of part two coming up. I think it's a very important story. It's important for the future of science. You know, I was I was just saying to a reporter yesterday, either prove to me that, for instance, the hepatitis B vaccine has been studied, that had a trial longer than five days, because that's what's written right in the insert, a five-day safety trial of

147 children with no placebo group. Is that acceptable? If that's acceptable, then why have any placebo trials? Why test any drug? Let's just make it an even fair playing ground for the pharmaceutical industry. Five days is all you need. No placebo. Any new cancer drug. Why hold up the cancer drug? Just tell us what you think it can do. Let's get excited about it. Let's stop wasting our time with the ticker tape at the bottom of the commercial screen telling us all the side of it. Let's just do it with all that. Let's just say to pharma, you don't have to do placebo trials. Because if you're not good to placebo trial, the one product we give to perfectly healthy children, then why mess with the ones that grandparents are taking?

They're going to die anyway. So who cares? I mean, it just seems to me it is time for a massive reality check. Do you think we're almost there? Do you feel like we're going to get people to actually, and maybe journalists, to say, you know what, that is crazy. That is insane.

We do need placebo trials. Are they going to recognize it? I mean, what's your hope? You obviously wrote this book for reason. And here we are. I mean, I really think you planted a seed. It's a tree growing in the middle of Washington, D.C. right now. What do you hope happens?

Well, first, I'd like to say that I did see part one of the documentary, and it's amazing. It's absolutely amazing. The production people you guys have are incredibly talented. the images that you dug up, the videos that you dug up, some of which I had not seen, and it's put together so well. So I do think that if the right people can see that documentary, that it will make a huge difference. Not to say that there won't be counter propaganda to try to counter what we were saying there, but the facts are the facts and the data is the data, and we've got charts and we've got statistics.

And they had them back in the 1950s, and some doctors were. trying to promote that. So yeah, my hope is that people that are not just on our team per se, people that are maybe just naive, innocent, don't have an opinion that yet will see that. And they can see that the polio vaccine is really the backbone of belief in vaccinology. You know, even one of my closest friends that I had up in Maine had completely unvaccinated kids. But one vaccine she gave those kids was a polio vaccine just because all that propaganda filtered down and effective. her that many years later, like some 60 years later. So I, yeah, I have hope that more people will learn the truth about polio, and I think that will have an impact if they can see the

repeating picture that happens over and over and over again, even the stuff that Kevin McCurnan's talking about, the controversy that went through with that SV40 virus in the polio vaccine, it's pretty much unending. It's still a conversation that's happening, but it's one that's been shut down over and over and over again. There are so many branches, of controversy regarding the polio vaccine that you could spend a lifetime studying it. Well, I want to thank you once again, Suzanne. It's great to see you. You just did, you know, you're one of those giants that we're standing on the shoulders of right now. I remember the time you dedicated on the Vax bus. We crossed paths there. I was on the bus, but you ended up touring

this country and just being a part of the conversation meeting all of those thousands of and thousands of families that had been destroyed by vaccine injury, that had been gas lit and lied to. And, and, you know, I just want to say we wouldn't be here. I don't believe without your incredible work. And so I want to thank you. It's a huge part of part two of this documentary. It's so fascinating. You're right.

That's why I'm here. This investigation of vaccines is just, it's interesting, I say morbidly fascinating. It is fascinating the way that this program has cheated its science, the way it has cheated the country, the way it has funded politicians and funded the media system. And, you know, the corruption around it, the cover-ups. It's really just an incredibly fascinating story. And I only knew the part that happened in modern times. You look back and to see how prolific and profound. this storytelling was, if you will, it's really, really important.

And I think it's going to wake up a lot of people to try to understand and be a part of really getting science back on track to being honest and transparent. I think we can handle the truth, I guess is the point. Yeah. And, you know, there were a lot of giants that I actually studied and learned from when I was putting this all together. And my hope is that we can take the information and not let that die, magnify it, bring it to life, and snowball it and let it keep going. So that the work that they did and the risks that they took back then, which were huge, I mean, to be a vaccine critic back in those days, especially against the polio vaccine, like, you know, Fred Clenner and Dr. Greenberg and Dr. Callow Carinos and all those doctors back then, they just, you know, that took a lot of heart and a lot less than it takes us, even though it. you know, we lose a lot when we do this. Today there are a lot more of us. So I hope that in the future there would just be exponentially rising vaccine critics out there because literally the the future of humanity depends upon it, the brains of humanity, the lifespan of humanity depends

upon it. And I think our lifespan's actually shutting down and shortening as a result of the after effects of vaccination. So and I think that we should actually be able to to live to be 120 years if everything is done right from gestation to birth and throughout life. I think that's what our genetic programming is. And if we can get people to be more understanding of that and more cautious about what they allow to be injected through a needle into their bodies, hopefully limiting that to almost nothing, I think we would see big differences in the health and productivity of humanity. Well, it's incredible, Suzanne, and you know, we're on that mission to bring the truth and transparency,

Thank you for your work. Thank you for joining us today and thank you for being a part of this incredible documentary series. You're welcome and thank you for all that you're doing and your crew as well. You bet. Thank you. Take care. Bye. You too. Bye. Can you handle the truth? Do you think there's people, do you think, you know, I mean our founding fathers grappled with this question, you know, should we let everyone vote? Is everyone smart enough to know all the truth? Should the United States government be transparent? Are the people smart enough or should we just do what every other nation is done and just hide the truth from the people and we know what's best for them and we'll treat them like cattle?

That is literally what's at stake right now, starting here in 2025 with a new government. Hopefully they all get confirmed because we have a group of scientists that want to go in led by a powerful lawyer that has fought for the people for his entire life. and it appears as I do these interviews with these media entities. I tell them while I'm recording this too for quality assurance, just in case we don't try to take this out of context. But here's what it seems to me. This is the honest truth. These reporters believe that it's dangerous now.

Okay, maybe they weren't going through a placebo test or, you know, if they even go that far. but even if that's true, is it really smart to, you know, to reevaluate the safety of this? Is it really smart to open that back up and look at it? I swear to God, I had that question yesterday. What do you mean? Because it's already out there. Because Kellogg's already has a chemical endocrine disruptor, possibly carcinogenic chemical in its food, because it's already on the shelves.

And forget about the fact that other nations are making it illegal. Should we really reopen that story? Should we really reinvestigate? You know what I said? The American people are demanding exactly that. Just because our regulatory agencies have been captured, have been captured by industry and are no longer looking out for the good of the people, you know, just because that capture pushed through a bunch of products without having them safety tested, Should we just never investigate them then? Just say, well, hey, they're already on the market. That's what's going on here. That's why it's dangerous as hell in the United States of America to decide to try and tell the whole story.

The true story. That's what part two. If you saw part one, we talked about all the lies of the seed around the virus itself. Now we're going to Scarryville, folks. Now we're going in the most dangerous part there is. We are walking into the cathedral and we're pulling that vaccine that's hanging on the wall and saying, should we take another look at this? Is there a part of this story we haven't been told?

It's the holy grail, folks, not just vaccines, the polio vaccine. Everyone's telling us not to go there. Everyone's pleading saying, can't you just leave this alone? This one is too dangerous. Well, Jeffrey Jackson's not wired to walk away. I'm not wired to walk away. You better get this book by Suzanne Humphreys because this is where it starts. She didn't walk away.

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Science is about asking the question. Journalism is about asking the question. leadership of nations like the United States of America is about asking the hard questions. Are our water systems capable of handing a large fire should it get windy here in the windy city of Los Angeles? When we have those Santa Ana winds blowing through and a spark goes off, we saw that the water didn't work in the fire hydrants in Malibu back in 2018. Have we checked all the fire hydrants? A question. Gavin Newson, how about this question? Have we checked all the fire hydrants? Are we ready for a fire?

Have we checked the safety of a vaccine? Have we checked to make sure that the DNA fragments that are now 400 times greater than has ever been deemed safe? Have we checked to make sure it can't insert into the human genome? They're just questions. We're releasing a documentary with the biggest question of, all is the holy grail of vaccines everything we were told that it is. If you don't watch this documentary tonight, you'll probably be reading about it because I'm sure mainstream media is going to lose their minds. They're going to attack. Oh my God, they're trying to eradicate the vaccine

program. No, no, no, no, no, no. Now, all we're doing is what is at the heart of the name of nonprofit, the informed consent action network. Not a mistake that that's our name. What is informed consent? It means that you should never consent to anything. No medical procedure, no injection, no drug. You should never consent until you've been informed. And if you believe that that the polio vaccine is an immaculate conception given to us by God that worked perfectly on everybody that's taken it, then you're going to be disillusioned when you see something called the facts. I've been fielding reporters' inquiries and so has Aaron Siri. We're under siege because apparently sharing facts is too dangerous. Because the people,

I guess in their minds are too stupid. I have a different perspective. I think it's too stupid to inject untested products into human beings, especially ones that don't know better, especially the ones that can't even read or protect themselves, our babies, our children. Not saying we should eradicate the vaccine program. I'm saying there should at least be a little warning,

label on the side of it, this product was never tested against a placebo. If that's the case, you should know, was never tested against a placebo, which means we have no idea what its safety profile is. In the trial, all we look to see is did it create antibodies? And it did. So we think it might stop the disease, but if it causes any other problems, we have zero science to understand how many it would happen to, how serious it's going to be. We have no way to look into it because as they'll say, you can't do a vaccine versus unvax comparative study because there's too many confounding issues. It's too difficult for us to do that study. Well, then maybe that's why you should have done a placebo study to begin with. If you can't compare the vaccinated

to the unvaccinated in your database at the CDC, as I've said before, you know they've done it. If they just did it, let's compare the vaccinated or the unvaccinated. Look, the vaccinated live longer and healthier. You know how easy that study must have been to do? So easy. I mean, seconds. You know, they've done it because if they just said, here's the unvaccinate, tens of thousands of them in our database. Here's the vaccinated.

Look, vaccinated live longer, healthier, less chronic illness, less neurological disorders. Headline, CDC just compared the two groups of people walking this planet and the vaccinated or healthier. You have never seen that headline because they have never been able to get that study to work, ever. That's just a fact. And sure, it's my assumption that they've done that study because it's like the most easy study known to man to just end this conversation forever. So if they've done it, and that's not what they can say, and then they say it doesn't matter that we are not safety testing. And it doesn't matter that we're going to compare every

MRNA vaccine to the ones that didn't get tested. We already know it's safe because the ones we didn't test for safety before. This is the world we live in. This is the world of 2024. This was the year of the COVID pandemic in 2020 and 21 and 22. The world where we were too stupid or maybe too afraid. to ask some really simple questions. Have you compared the vaccinated to the unvaccinated?

If so, tell us what you found. Have you done a placebo trial? If so, send it to Dell Bigtree, post it on the New York Times. Here's what I want from the New York Times, Washington Post, stat news, all of you out there. I want a headline, Dell Bigtree, Robert Kennedy Jr., wrong. Here are the 16 placebo trials prior to licensure of every vaccine we give our kids.

Here it is, published in the biggest newspapers in the world. To end this forever, write that article. Or shut up. Get out of the way and let a government come in that cares about the people, cares about the science, and says, we are not going to meme children and destroy lives. No matter how few or large, because we don't know it might be, we're not going to not do the science anymore. We're going to do the science.

We're not afraid to ask the questions. No, we're not afraid to do comparative studies. We're not afraid to make sure that there's a placebo trial of every future vaccine on the planet. We're not afraid to call Kellogg's and say to them, send over those chemicals. We're taking a look at them again. If we're afraid to do that, if we're afraid to do that, if we're afraid, to let this government ask the right questions here in 2025. We'll be lucky if we make it to 2030. This is a high wire. We are not stopping here. We have only just begun. We are going to bring

FOIA requests. Tidal waves of FOIA requests are going to this government now. I know we've got people in there. There's a sympathetic. I hope they open the door and say, send them in. We're not going to block your, we're not going to make you bring a lawsuit. Here it is, for your request, go ahead, send it out. I can's asking for it. Send it out. There it goes. Go on. Send the boxes. Send the boxes. They're putting them online. The world's going to see it. That's only possible with you. That's only possible right now if you donate to ICAN. We're the only ones doing it. Sure, you'll find other nonprofits talking about it. But for $25 a month, for $0.25, or a dollar or 50 cents or a hundred dollars whatever you can spend,

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