The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 408: STARGATE TO HELL?

Episode Date: January 25, 2025

Medical Freedom Makes Inaugural Splash; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on Oracle CEO Larry Ellison’s $500 Billion AI/mRNA Cancer Vaccine Commitment, Biden Pardons Fauci on his Last Day, and Trump Orders include WHO Withdrawal and Reinstatement of Unvaxxed Military; mRNA Pioneer Shares Concerns About Larry Ellison’s mRNA Cancer Vaccine Announcement.Guest: Robert Malone, MDBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time for us all to step out onto the high wire. Well, we had an amazing experience over the weekend. We had the inauguration of the new president, Donald Trump, returning to the White House. And I guess the second time a president has ever been in the White House in unconstructive terms. So very, very interesting moment, historical moment. And of course, what made it really exciting for those of us that have been in medical freedom is that for the first time ever in Washington, D.C., medical freedom health, holistic health, had its own ball.

It was called the Maha ball and CNN. covered it like this. This is the Maha Ball, which is the Make America Healthy Again party thrown in honor of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is President Trump's pick to lead the Department of HHS. There's about 800 people here who are some of his biggest supporters, from health and wellness influencers to big conservative stars. A Maha Ball is like one of the, you know, the biggest balls here in town. We are literally of a thousand people on a waiting list right now.

Maha was born when Kennedy ended his presidential campaign and joined forces with Trump. Don't you want a president that's going to make America healthy again? Trump's inauguration put the Maha agenda on its biggest stage yet. Together we will end the chronic disease epidemic and keep our children safe, healthy, and disease free. Him specifically calling out fixing the chronic disease issue, I cheered. I cheered from my seat. Bonnie Hari isn't a medical professional, but she's built an audience of over 2 million followers

on Instagram as The Food Babe. She was an Obama delegate in 2012, but spent this weekend with Trump's picks to lead health. The people I've been meeting with have been unreal. Is this the first time that health and wellness influencers have had the ear of the president in this way? Yes. I was radicalized during the pandemic. I was greatly disturbed and confused.

about mandating a vaccine for everyone to take. That led me to start diving deeper into corruption in pharma and in food. And that's really a lot of conservative females' story. Alex Clark doesn't have a formal background in food science or medicine, but hosts a popular podcast on health and wellness for the conservative youth group Turning Point. What are your top things you want to see happen? You know, the next 100 days, the next four years.

We're going to completely revamp public school lunch. and we're going to get pharmaceutical ads off of TV. We have to address this fundamental, unethical, hypocritical issue of American companies. We need an America first standard with our own American food companies. Poison is not partisan. A recent poll found some of RFK's positions are resonating.

Nearly half of Americans see chemicals or unsafe food additives as a risk. But there's far less support for policies he's advocated like removing fluoride from water or ending vaccines. requirements in public schools. I'm not any vaccine. I just want good science. I want people should be able to make informed choices. I am against vaccine mandate. Close to 20,000 doctors have signed an open letter saying

the Senate should not confirm Kennedy. They'd said he's unqualified, actively dangerous. Now, I don't know what these 17,000 doctors do. I think someone should audit that list. Dell Bigtree was Kennedy's communications director during his presidential campaign and is now the CEO of Maha Action. How do you lead people who are scared of you and what you might do? You don't do dramatic and drastic things that's scared of. The news has made Bobby seem scary. No one's taking anything away from anyone.

He's not coming for any one thing. He's coming for transparency. I don't understand what they're scared about. What is wrong with saying we want to make sure that every single vaccine on the schedule is completely foolproof that there's evidence. that these are working, that these are necessary. We are the sickest country in the developed world. So the worst thing we could possibly do is more of the same.

This movement is unstoppable. We have had this pent-up frustration that we have not been heard from our government leaders. And for the first time, we are being amplified. And it gives us an electrification that could not be measured. And it's important, you know, for me to note that this issue of child vaccine schedule and the safety and efficacy of vaccines comes up repeatedly in this maha sphere. But the agencies that Kennedy is slated to lead, if confirmed, you know, the Department of Health and Human Services, the CDC, state unequivocally that they are safe

and effective and scientifically proven to be better than the alternative. Well, I mean, that's CNN. And we play that reticently, but that is honestly the best report we've ever had from CNN when it comes to this conversation, medical freedom of science around. vaccinations just a little behind the scenes obviously I was interviewed in that I think I think the reporter asked me six or seven times to explain you know how people are going to be afraid what we're going to do about people being afraid once we took vaccines off the schedule or remove vaccines first of all I

said I have nothing to do with that Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to do he's going to do but it's all about transparency I said that I believe that what Robert Kennedy Jr. is saying he's going to do is just show you the science behind the vaccines, the double blind placebo experiments that were not done. I even show the reporter the hepatitis B vaccine online. I said, here it is. FDA online. Here's how you looked it up. I showed her how to look it up. I said, here is where it says five-day safety trial, no placebos. You can do this in the next 30 minutes of every vaccine here. I said, I hope I don't hear you say. The experts say that it's safe when I just showed you that there's no placebo trial.

She went on to say that anyway. I guess she's forced to do that. So maybe she'll want to work for the highway if she ever wants to just fully deliver the truth someday. But this is where we're at. This is an amazing moment where media covered. There was Vogue articles and Fox and so many different reporters covered the Maha ball. Very, very exciting. And all the who's who of holistic health and fitness and wellness and nutrition, all in one building.

many of the OGs of the vaccine risk awareness movement. I won't, there's a picture you can see. I won't even attempt to name some because I'll miss some, but it was really a truly spectacular night. And of course, all in celebration of making America healthy again and the idea of all of us excited about the prospect. There's Dr. Oz, who's the choice by Kennedy for CMS, and of course Robert Kennedy Jr., HHS Secretary,

And speaking of that, which is what, you know, we've all, that moment we've been waiting for, it actually is happening. The hearings begin this week. So just want to let you know right here on the high wire articles have gone out Wednesday and Thursday of this week on Wednesday, the Commerce Committee on Finance, Congressional Committee on Finance in the Dirkson Senate Office building. There it is. You can grab that QR code. It begins at 10 a.m. My understanding is the next day, probably around the same time, there will be the committee in front of the health committee. All of this is being broadcast, but I'm telling you right now, this is a historic moment. I know people are flying in from all over the country.

I would recommend to you that if that's something you want to do, you probably want to book your flights and your hotels right now. That is going to be probably the most anticipated cabinet hearing. I would guess in our lifetime. So much riding on it, so much around it. High wire. You will be, if you aren't able to get through, don't decide to go to Washington, D.C. The high wire will be broadcasting the feed live both Wednesday and Thursday.

Next week, while that live feed is streaming, we will come on and do a special report from ICANN legislate, which is our C4, our C3 can't cover this issue because I guess it's legislative. We've been talking to lawyers all morning. but we will broadcast on the platform on Thursday. We'll interject and reflect on some of the things that we saw in the day before. So it should be really, really fascinating, interesting.

I'm going to be in Washington, D.C., to report on all of that. So again, for anyone out there, let's bring up the QR code again, if you want to be there for that hearing. These are, I think, first come first serve seats. No one, as I understand is able to reserve a seat. I know people are planning it back in the halls. There's other groups they're going to be having viewing parties all over Washington, D.C. But there's the QR code if you want to be a part of that historic moment.

Change is upon us, ladies and gentlemen. Our new president is mentioning and talking about ending the chronic disease epidemic. Transparence and science, we're going to talk with Jeffrey Jackson in just a little bit about some of the executive orders. One of the big concerns right now that was one of the first conversations, to come out by Larry Ellison. Obviously, is this conversation about MRI cancer vaccines. I'm going to talk to Robert Malone since he invented the MRNA vaccine technology. One of the first to suggest it when he was working in gene therapy and said,

hey, this sucks as a gene therapy, but it might make a good vaccine. I don't think there's a better person to weigh in on this than him. Let me take the last statement out of his mouth. I'm making that term. Let him describe why he's. He recommended as a vaccine when we're speaking to him in just a little bit. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. Jeffrey, I mean, what a celebration was?

You were there. I mean, you know, what did you think in the experience? Seeing all those people in one room celebrating one idea, which is health for America. Oh, man, it was really cool. I mean, it's the first time I brought my family to an event like that. It was such an amazing event. I mean, everyone was there. And it was a deserved moment of celebration after a lot of people's decades and lifetimes of hard work.

And a lot of people didn't even get to make it there. Like, you know, our dearly part of friend, Jimmy Han and Tony Barrett. This was a celebration for all the people that have put in their lives for this work. It's a lot bigger than what CNN could even put in that report. But it was a beautiful experience. And it's the start of something hopefully that will continue past Trump, past Kennedy. and really move into a legacy for our children. And, you know, Del, we're in the middle here now of the news cycle.

We all knew that was coming, and we're in the, really, the throes of it. So I want to jump right in here because there's a lot to cover. And we have, let's go chronologically. Okay. So Trump's inaugurated on January 20th and hours, literally hours before he puts his hand on the Bible. We have Biden passing out executive orders, passing out pardons, I should say. And let's just stop for a second, because before I go into this,

I want to look at all the presidents. Let's go back to Harry Truman. And we have this chart here of all the presidents and how many people they pardoned. And you can see something at the bottom there. A lot of green real estate on Joe Biden's name. You have about 8,064 pardons from Joe Biden in one term. George Bush had 200 pardons in two terms. Barack Obama, 1,927 pardons in two terms.

So Biden was very busy pardoning people. And some of the people, obviously, pardon his son Hunter, but then he went on the morning of the inauguration to pardon his siblings and their spouses on the way out of the White House. We have that article. But then for our audience and for the world audience, we have the main figure in the ongoing global scientific crime scene that is the COVID pandemic, Anthony Fauci. And this is the headline here. Biden preemptively pardons Anthony Fauci, Mark Millie, the January 6th committee members. So pardon's usually a lot of the day. are for people that have committed a crime. Maybe they showed great behavior. So the preemptive

pardon is very rare. I mean, Jimmy Carter preemptively pardoned people who did not take part in the Vietnam draft that was mandatory, things like that we've seen throughout history. It has happened, but it's very rare. So let's look at the pardon here from Biden to Fauci. This is a full and unconditional pardon. It says for any offense against the United States, which he may have committed are taking part in during the period from January 1st, 2014, through the date of this pardon arising from or in any manner related to the services director of NIH NIAID, as a member of the White House Corona Task Force, or the White House COVID-19 response team as the chief medical advisory to the president. So this shows shocking contempt for the public rule of law, justice.

And I think Biden, by doing this, has eroded public trust in public health more than any president in the history of this country because this is just again it's an ongoing investigation and i think one of the people who really puts it so plainly and so so succinctly is comedian actor and podcaster Andrew shultz he was on a podcast and when he heard about this he kind of just erupted and it sounded like this but fouchy took the pardon fouchy could say i don't want the pardon i don't think i did anything wrong but he took the pardon i'm blaming anybody for taking a I do because now you're guilty because there are a lot of people that were on the January 6th committee They were offered a pardon and they said no they're like I did my job I was supposed to investigate this

I did what I was supposed to do I don't want the pardon if your fouch you're not taking a part what it what's in my arm you know To what's in your home not my that's what I'm saying What's in my arm? I'm good what's in my arm? I'm taking that part of all no I'm okay what's in my arm I'm taking that part I don't go If I put some shit in my arm, you're not allowed to get pardoned. You told me I need to put some shit in my arm. Now you can't go get pardoned. You got to hold the weight of that decision.

That's your job. What's in my arm, you know? I mean, what's about to come out? You ain't wrong. Like, it looks a suspect. It definitely looks crazy suspect. I mean, it's such a good point, right? Like, why would a doctor that ran, you know,

our health decisions during pandemic, need to be pardoned ahead of time. Obviously, even that conversation that go on, well, maybe was the gain of function, things that, you know, Rand Paul had him on the ropes. Probably they sense was going in for the kill any day now. Of course, I've been saying, and maybe I made the mistake of being so open about the fact that I wanted to see him carted off to jail in handcuffs. My understanding is, though, that it is a federal pardon, that the states will still have rights and an ability to maybe indict on some level. So it would be interesting to see if any of the states go that direction. But I think it's a perfectly valid point.

If you haven't broken the law, why are you worried? Why would you need a pardon? If you feel good about what you've done, don't you think the court systems in America work? I mean, the whole thing is the whole idea of. preemptive pardon really undermines faith in the system. The president doesn't trust the judicial system that they've so, you know, used so powerfully and really weaponized themselves over the last four years. I think that that's clear to anybody. It's just, you know, it's a double standard. And I do think we should be worried. I think anyone that got injected or, you know, had someone

die because they couldn't get ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. And then the salesperson for all of those things, including the six-foot social distancing, which he said just sort of appeared, well, we'll have to see what happens. But it's unfortunate. It also, I think, though, it does lay the onus of guilt upon him. So we'll see how that plays out, certainly in our history books. Yeah, and it wasn't like, you know, he was Scott Free, and this was a conspiracy. We had in 2022. This is Rampal. Fauci referred to Justice Department for criminal investigation for allegedly lying under oath to Congress. And even Ram Paul took to X after he heard about this pardon. He said, if there was ever any doubt as to who bears responsibility for the COVID pandemic,

Biden's pardon to Fauci forever steals a deal. As chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and governmental affairs committee, I will not rest until the entire truth of the cover up exposed. Fauci's pardon will only serve as an accelerant to pierce the veil of deception. ignominious, Anthony Bouchy, will go down in history as the first government scientist to be preemptedly pardoned for a crime. And as you rightly mentioned, in 2014, because that's when this starts, the pardon started 2014, we know that President Obama asked for a halt to gain of function research. The headline says U.S. halts funding for new risky virus studies that like SARS, MERS, flu. There's one study that snuck through, though, and this was Ralph Barrick,

University of North Carolina funded by NIAID's Anthony Fauci. This was the SARS-like cluster of circulating back coronavirus. This shows potential for human emergence where they were souping up coronaviruses to see if they can better infect people. And Fauci paid for that. And we know, we know now on his emails. He was running around trying to cover that up. Then he covered up the origin story.

Then he was the promoter of the vaccine. As you said, social distancing. He was the main person on that, possibly lying. in congressional hearings. This guy has fingerprints everywhere they need to be investigated. So it's really interesting that, I mean, this sends a message, a bad message to public health officials that they can be reckless with their recommendations and get away with it. So one of the other things that Biden did right before he left was he gave a gift to Moderna of $590 million through HHS by providing them the money to accelerate pandemic influenza MRI-based vaccine

development. These are for avian flu viruses with pandemic potential. So this is another thing that Biden is just pouring money. A lot of people thought this was Trump's decision, but this was Biden. So these were these were these kind of gifts as he's out the door and parting. But now we move to Trump. He takes office and there's interesting because Trump is a businessman, as we all know. So he always reaches across the aisle and tries to make an alliance, tries to make deals here and there. And he meets with, other than Bill Gates, someone that a lot of people know over the last four years and really don't have trust and not much faith in what Bill Gates has to offer. And Bill Gates then went on a media outlet and talked about that. Sounded like this. Have you met with Donald Trump since the election?

Yeah, I had a chance to go have a long and actually quite intriguing dinner with him. What did you discuss? What was intriguing? Well, we touched on a lot of things. It was over three hours to my surprise, it was, you know, just he and I, his chief of staff, Susie Wiles, and the person helps manage things for me, Larry Cohen. So the four of us sat there and it was quite wide-ranging. You know, global health's the area that I work in and such amazing things have happened and can happen there. I spoke a lot about HIV and that the foundation's literally working on a cure for that. We're at an early stage. And so, you know, he, in the the COVID days accelerated the vaccine innovation. So I, you know, was asking him if maybe the same

kind of thing could be done here. And we both got, I think, pretty excited about that. We talked about polio, where, you know, we're very close to getting that done. But if you, if you stop, it'll spread back. And so I explained why it's been tough in Pakistan, Afghanistan. We've had cases to show up in Gaza. We have cases in Africa. And he was fascinated to hear what he could do to maximize the chance that during the next four years, that incredible milestone will be achieved.

I felt like he was energized and looking forward to helping to drive innovation. I was frankly impressed with how well he showed a lot of interest in the issues I brought up. Very interesting just to point out that polio is now spreading in the countries he's talking about because of vaccine programs. It is almost completely vaccine-strain polio that's now spreading those areas. I've spoken to scientists and they point to Bill Gates, who has indictments against him in some of the countries around the world that think that his reckless use in overseeing a vaccine programs is causing problems, not helping them. So interesting, I just, you know, hopefully, you know, and this is why I think we're all, you know, we're going to talk a lot about it, you know, throughout the show.

But waiting with bated breath for Robert Kennedy Jr. to be, you know, confirmed with the hope that he'll actually be a part of these conversations and maybe bring a counterbalance to it, if you will. And so as Bill Gates basically enters the White House and talks about things like Polio, I think there's no better time than people around Trump or anybody. in this nation to watch the polio documentary that has just been released. It's a blockbuster. People stopped me throughout the entire Maha event to sell me about this polio documentary and how it's going to change, change the history of how we know, what we know about this subject. So this is something anybody can watch right now. But let's talk, let's switch over from someone who's kind of like, on Bill Gates level, and that's Larry Ellison, and he's been making news lately. So he's the chief technology officer and executive chairman at Oracle. He founded Oracle. He stepped down,

as CEO in 2014. And he is now richer than Bill Gates. Larry Ellison edges past Bill Gates as world's fourth richest person. That's what Bloomberg says. And during Trump's first press conference as the 47th president of United States, Larry Ellison did an impromptu mic grab. If you haven't seen it yet, this is where it looks like. One of the most exciting things we're working on, Again, using the tools that Sam and Moss are providing, is a cancer vaccine. It's very interesting. It turns out, I'll be quick,

all of our cancers, cancer tumors, little fragments of those tumors float around in your blood. So you can do early cancer detection. If you can do using a, you can do early cancer detection with a blood test. And using a, AI to look at the blood test, you can find the cancers that are actually seriously threatening the person. So we can, again, cancer diagnosis using AI has the promise of just being a simple blood test. Then beyond that, once we gene sequence, once we gene sequence that cancer tumor,

you can then vaccinate the person, design a vaccine for every individual person, to vaccinate them against that cancer. And you can make that vaccine, that MRNA vaccine, you can make that robotically, again, using AI in about 48 hours. So imagine early cancer detection, the development of a cancer vaccine for your particular cancer aimed at you

and have that vaccine available in 48 hours. This is the promise of AI and the promise of the future. You know, this 48-hour turnaround on a. vaccines, what we have been talking about, right? One of the things I've been warning and why I think they, you know, really push the MRNA technology during the COVID pandemic. It was all to get funding to push this technology forward. They love it because now the guessing game is gone, waiting months to see if, you know, the virus can grow on an egg or a monkey kidney or what substrate actually works. All of that is gone. And what I've been saying is this is going to create a tidal wave

of vaccinations where just overnight, they can start vaccinating for every bacteria, the millions on the planet, every, I mean, these people, I mean, for some reason, imagine that a greater future is one where we're apparently being vaccinated a million times a year for everything that they're afraid of on the planet. I mean, it's pure madness. I mean, madness on one level, but I'm sure you've got other things to say, but it's alarming and this is what we've been warning. These, you know, without a proper safety trial in the COVID vaccine. Now we're ready to just ramp up, you know, MRI for everything.

Yeah, and so everybody should stick around because in a moment, obviously we're gonna have Dr. Robert Belon on to really unpack this, but clearly Ellison did not read the room of the American public there. Right. The American public recoiled at that statement. And, you know, this was part of a larger announcement

that was happening, Project Stargate, this is an AI artificial intelligence initiative, $500 billion to build this, infrastructure out. And Ellison kept kind of circling it back to what this can do for health. He was talking about vaccines. He was also talking about AI kind of combing through health records and health information and studies to help doctors kind of do their job better than they can do them already. And what's interesting is Ellison really came on the scene in 2020. He shut down his charitable foundation to focus on what was at the time medical philanthropy. That's what the

news reported. But he did help out for COVID because he He kind of joined with Trump in 2020. We have a Forbes article here. It says Larry Ellison reveals his big data battle plan to fight coronavirus and partnership with Trump White House. So in his defense, he did drop things and say, we need to do this. I'm going to try to help. I'm going to try to build whatever you need me to do, Trump at the time president.

I will do it. One of the things that really came out of that partnership was this. And this is the journal vaccine. It writes about it. It's the V-Safe initiative, the V-Safe initiative, the V-safe after-vaccation, health checker. And it says the CDC and FDA recognize a need to supplement passive VAIR surveillance during the early stages of the COVID-19 vaccination program when limited vaccine doses were available from the other vaccine safety surveillance systems. To address these data needs, the CDC in collaboration with technology company Oracle developed and implemented VSAFE, a new vaccine safety monitoring system specifically designed to conduct near real-time active surveillance for COVID-19 vaccine monitoring. You know, to keep us safe.

well all of that data was hidden from the public until i can came around and sued the cdc not once but twice finally the cdc capitulated in 2022 here's the breaking news headline that we posted that resulted in a court order that required them to produce all the data we took that data we made a v-safe dashboard for the public you can go to ican's website and search it and you can see the shocking results one of those things was uh nearly 7.7 percent of people who took One dose had to seek medical attention. Many of those people had to see multiple attempts at medical attention, two visits, three visits. This was all the information the CDC did not tell people.

There's so much more to that story. I know you did an exclusive with Aaron Siri about that. But this is where Oracle comes in. This is where big data tried to help. And you can see the result. But it's interesting because Ellison is saying, look, I can help doctors do their job better. we have this idea where AI can comb through a safety studies and diagnoses and it really help people of cancer. Well, it's interesting because he had a startup called Ronan that was going to do the same

thing. That was exactly their mission. In 2018, the company started to try to help doctors. And in 24, less than a year ago, it ended. Bloomberg, Larry Ellison's Cancer Software Startup Project Ronan is closing. And it says, Ronan struggled to get paying customers. We couldn't make it. in the free market and didn't have the finances to continue operating. Executive said during an all-hands meeting Friday when the shutdown was announced, according to three attendees who asked not to be identified, blah, blah, blah. So that's a very interesting thing because here he is, he can't even make the company work, not enough need for that company or whatever.

And so now he's kind of pandering to the White House. He gives his $500 billion deal saying, hey, we're going to try it again, but this time with government contracts. Well, I mean, when you look at all of the points that you're making there, right? I think this is why a lot of people have been really panicked about, you know, Larry Ellison's a statement about MRI cancer vaccines is because this guy already has a history of showing that when he says help, what he means is apparently block information from public record, which is what the VSAFE data attempted to do. We know that in our FOIA requests, just for people that have been paying attention, Freedom of Information Act requests, the CDC wanted the app to be asking the important questions that they're. were already seeing trials. Is it causing myocarditis, pericarditis? Is it causing blood clotting? Thronbo cytoppenia, strokes, all of those things that would really matter. And as if you've been

watching the show, you know, when we finally won that V-Safe data, all of the questions that were asked were simple things like headaches swelling at the injection site, all things that they would say is just prove the vaccine's working. The things that would be proof it's not working, we're not They were left in an open text field, which we sued for a whole, I think more than a year to get that open text field. We've built a dashboard. It's now dumping out, you know, tens. I mean, I think there was over 30, you know, right ends on death. Two million people wrote into that open text field, which is shocking out of the amount of people that were involved.

So the whole thing is opening up. But it took a nonprofit like ours to get transparency from the tech. technology that Larry Ellison built, and then you see him rushing a cancer vaccine. But I do want to say this, that I'm not against science. I mean, my perspective, and there's a lot of the news that are ringing off, you know, my phones ring up the hook at the moment. I'm not against science. If Larry Ellison wants to put a man on Saturn, you know, let's see you do it. If you want, you know, to, you know, create a cancer vaccine, my issue, and the issue has always been this. You're going to have to go through a long-term safety trial. You can dream whatever you want. We want a placebo group. We want to track

the multi-year study since you're going to spielunk into messing with cells that we know are floating in every person's body. And then most importantly, we get a choice. I get to decide whether I like your technology. I get to decide whether I think it's smart to inject an MRNA technology, especially after I hear from Robert Malone, who's coming up. I get to decide if I wanted to listen to Robert Malone's advice or Larry Ellison's advice, because it's a free country and this is my body, not the government. So that's where I stand with this. You can dream all you want, Larry Ellison. You can have as many failed companies as you want, but if you ever have a product that's going out to the public, we're going to make sure it goes through a double blind trial and that it proves that it's

safe compared to a baseline of people that received nothing that affects their body. So that's where we're at. And there's going to be tricks, right? They'll probably try to say, well, we want to compare it to the standard of care. This is the gimmick that's going to come up, by the way, right? We're going to compare our vaccine to the standard of care, which is chemo. So look, it did really well, safety-wise, against chemo. I mean, this is how this game is going to be played. This is why people better keep donating to ICAN so that we can sue when they try to play games like that. But I'll let you get back to it. I'm just sort of fired up about this. There's a lot we can do and make sure that stupid ideas don't poison people and land on the

market. So I wouldn't panic. But, you know, also a lot of this hangs in the balance of Robert Kennedy Jr. and somebody that's really going to go in and create transparency, which is, this is evidence of why that transparency is so needed right now in these modern times. Yeah. And so rounding out this, you know, let's talk about this MRNA technology. Ellison is talking about it as if it's a savior and if it is completely flawless and foolproof and it worked for COVID so it's going to work from revolutionize the world. Well, there's a lot of questions here. We just covered last week a mouse study came out and in this study they were using some state-of-the-art imaging single cell down to the single cell to see where these lipid nanoparticles

go. That's the vehicle that encapsulates the mRNA and sends it through the body. Well, they're supposed to send it to a target to a specific spot. Well, we see these mouse study, the picture here, we're having what's called off target effects. It's going throughout the whole body, liver, kidney, spleen, heart, brain. And it even says in the study, we demonstrate that intermuscurely injected lipid nanoparticles carries SARS-CoV2 spike MRI, reach heart tissue, leading to proteome changes suggesting immune activation and blood vessel damage. That's not supposed to happen, but it's in that.

So Andrew Schultz, what's in your arm? That's in your arm. And it may be in your heart. I mean, so when we talk about, hey, so great, let's build. more platforms with MRNA. Not yet. We have a lot of questions here. Hold on, hold on.

Again, there's just so many conversations that need to happen here. The gene therapy for cancer has been out for a long time now. This is one of the articles, and this in 2017, new gene therapy treatment could hit $1 million per patient because of additional costs. So how about the cost for personalized cancer vaccines, even if they do work? But it's interesting because this is all couched in this massive artificial intelligence build out. Just a little over a week ago, you have UK Prime Minister Kier Starmor,

and he put out his blueprint to turbocharge AI, basically deliver national renewal, he said. And in that, I don't know if it's slip in the tongue, but he says, today's plan mainlines AI into the veins of this enterprising nation, revolutionizing public services and putting more money into people's back pockets. I thought that was kind of interesting. But let's go back and finish this off with Ellison. Ellison is someone who's saying, I can help you with health care, but this is also Ellison on AI. Take a listen.

All right. The police will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording, watching and recording everything that's going on. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on. And it's unimpeachable. The cars have cameras on them. I think we have a squad car here someplace. But those kind of applications using AI, and we're using AI to monitor the video.

So if that altercation had occurred in Memphis, the chief of police would be immediately notified. It's not people that are looking at those cameras. It's AI that's looking at the camera. No, no, no. You can't do this. It would be like a shooting. That's going to be immediately,

that's going to be an event that's immediately an alarm is going to go off and we're going to have supervision. In other words, every police officer is going to be supervised at all times. And the supervision will and if there's a problem,

AI will report the problem and report it to the appropriate person, whether it's the sheriff or the chief or whomever we need to take control of the situation. We have drones. If there's something going on in a shopping,

and I'll stop, a drone goes out there, get there way faster than a police car. There's never reason for, by the way, high speed chases. You shouldn't have high speed chases between cars. You just have a drone follow the car. I mean, it's very, very simple. And the new generation of autonomous drones. I mean, you just sit there going,

how busy is this guy? Have you never, I've seen this movie. We all saw this movie. We know how this ends. You know what I mean? surveillance everywhere, drones everywhere, mechanical surveillance jumping in. You know, I mean, all the back we were talking about the Tom Selleck movie where like the machines that were working for the government ever to start turning on you and now

they're shooting you and spraying acid on you and tracking you down and coming through your door. I mean, it's just, I mean, we're going to talk more and more about this, Jeffrey, right? Yeah. There's an inevitability to a lot of these conversations. I don't think you're going to stop AI. I don't think you're going to stop surveillance. I don't think, I mean, I still, you know, it's probably fruitless. I still demand, you know, I opt out of the face recognition software at the airport.

I'm the only one doing it, so I'm not sure what effect it's actually having. It's just my own little jab at the system. But we're going to have to start asking ourselves a question. If you can't beat him, do you join them? Do we start working on benevolent AI systems that may be counteract, counterbalance, those that are clearly, you know, going to be weaponized against us? I have mixed feelings. I don't mind if the surveillance is watching police officers, people that work for the government,

those institutions that, if reckless put, you know, citizens in harm's way. But you and I both know that these technologies aren't going to just be focused on government officials. They're the ones funding it. they're going to turn it on us and how are we going to move into the future there. It's certainly going to bring a whole new expansive need for legal work to be done by ICANN. And we're looking at there right now. Yeah, no question. And so let's move in now to the slew of executive orders Trump has put forth in just a couple

days in office at this point. And first and foremost, I think this is one of the most positive. Trump says he'll reinstate troops who refuse the COVID-19 vaccination. This is gigantic. they will receive back pay. We're talking about 8,400 troops that will go back on duty. So gigantic. And this is a testament and a kind of a salute to them saying, you stood your ground and you should be not only brought back, received back pay, but rewarded for that. We recognize what you did and the courage it took to do that. And so that was the right move. And that sends a

large message. And so huge, huge. A very important message, too, just to jump in, Jeffrey, which is this. So many people. are afraid. We know that President Trump still celebrated this COVID vaccine that many of us, many of you that watch the highwire, we've shown all of the problems that it has. Why won't he admit fault? You know, why won't he apologize? But I do think you have to recognize the nuance here. And it's an important one. Remember, he's not just giving these guys the military, their jobs back for denying a Biden vaccine. It's the vaccine he celebrated. So it shows you that there's, you know, some complexity to how Trump sees things. And it does also prove to me what he's been saying,

which is, hey, I'm going to let technology move forward, but I'm also going to stand for your right to choose. I would never mandate this on you. So I just think it's ironic that these military stood up against the vaccine that he's celebrating that he made and he's still saying, you're going to get your jobs back. I support that. I think it's important to recognize that this president has the ability to sort of look at this from two lenses that are very important. Absolutely. And on day one, he moved also on free speech and not on it like Biden moved on it, but actually to protect it, to further enshrine it. This was an executive order called restoring freedom of speech and ending federal censorship. And there's three parts to this. I want to just

really break it down quickly. He says no federal government officer, employer, agent can engage in or facilitate any conduct that would unconstitutionally abridged the freedom of speech of any American citizen. Great. But then he says no taxpayer resources can be used to abridge this free speech. And then he also says that they're going to identify and take appropriate action to correct past misconduct by the federal government related to censorship and protected speech. They got the word cut out for him. But that's interesting because the U.S. government propped up and funded what has been called media literacy, fact checking this entire infrastructure build out. since 2016. They funded this through organizations like Department of Online Security, CISA,

USAID, HHS. And on the other side, on the private sector side, you had organizations like META and Mark Zuckerberg gleefully allowing fact checkers to come in and censor Americans, taking spreadsheets from the United States government and saying, yes, we'll censor this and we'll censor this. And so Zuckerberg says he's not going to allow fact checkers anymore. The government's cutting the funding. This idea of media literacy and fact checking appears to be dying on the vine, if not dead already, which is very welcome to free speech. But now we have in 2020, Trump withdrew from the World Health Organization. Remember, the World Health Organization. We had Biden reinstate the United States into the World Health Organization. At that point, you had the pandemic

treaty international health regulations that the World Health Organization was trying to put forward to basically dictate to countries how they respond to pandemics. under their edicts. And now we have 2025. Trump withdraws U.S. from World Health Organization, finishing what he started. So that appears to be happening as we speak. Which also begs the question. How good did that meeting with Bill Gates go? I mean, Bill Gates seemed pretty chipper, but WHO is the primary weapon that he's used to push his NGO agendas. And I remember last time when President Trump pulled out of the WHO, that made Bill Gates the number one funding body with all of his organizations he's involved in above China, who I think was the second nation in line.

So again, I mean, I have a little bit of hope and now people were thinking, well, what did they meet about? Well, certainly Bill Gates didn't say, you know what I'd really love you to do? Pull out of the WHO. That'll make my job a lot easier. So again, I like this. I think it's super important. We've been reporting on the WHO treaty, all of these things.

It appears that's on President Trump's radar. This is a gigantic move that I know we here at the Highwire very excited about. Absolutely. And it'll be interesting to see because the U.S. is about 12% roughly funder of Bill Gates initiative, Gavi, the vaccine initiative. And so it would be interesting to see moving forward in 2025 what that looks like as far as U.S. funding. There's been no signal to increase or decrease funding there. But this Trump administration has also frozen many health agency reports and an online post from the CDC, FDA, HHS. And a lot of people are really trying to look into this and saying this looks like a conspiracy, what's happening.

They're trying to silence the CDC. Oh, my God, both sides of the aisle are really trying to read into this. But you go into this article, it seems very simple. It says whether stated publicly or not, every new administration wants important commitments and positions to wait until new teams are in place. and some semblance of herocracy restored. A pause is reasonable as a change, a changing executive branch takes steps to become coordinated, says Dr. Ali Khan, a former CDC outbreak investigator

who is now the Dean of University of Nebraska's Public Health College. So this is kind of just standard operating procedures. So everyone can get on the same page, especially with a lot of these changes happening. And one of the biggest things here we're talking about... Well, that makes sense. I mean, when you look at it, especially when we're seeing the... the, you know, some feet dragging around confirmations right now and getting people into office,

you have this government sitting there that's not yours, right? It's all the old unemployed, old employees that are, you know, does, you know, not sure if they're staying or going, but they could really wreak havoc by, you know, continuing to put out things that are, you know, you are disagreeing that you plan on changing. So I understand this. Everybody, hold on a second. We're not going to put out any reports till it's the people that I'm bringing in. So I think that makes perfect sense, seems like a smart move. Yeah, and just a couple final headlines here. We go back talking about that 2014 pause on gain of function.

It looks like Trump has taken a page from that. Here we are a little over 10 years later. Trump order seeks to stop virus research that critics have linked to COVID. This is the gain of function. So doing the investigation into that. And then something a little funny, but not really Trump's doing.

Maybe RFK is doing, we don't really know, but steak and shake to cook fries beef tallow the authentic way they say so this is really kind of a sea change and it's interesting because we're talking about making america healthy again and what would be a really great way to do that well in every city and every state in the united states are multiple chains of fast food chains with terrible ultra processed food ingredients so one of the easiest ways would be to start replacing that with taking out the canola oils the seed oils we know all of the issues health issues those cause and put something like this in there and just these small steps

would have pretty big, far-reaching change for just a small movement. So this is one of the last things that we're seeing right now. But these executive orders are coming hot and heavy, so we're going to keep an eye on them. Yeah, and I want to say to people, even though it may seem funny that steak and shake is making this move, but these are those opportunities where you actually can influence markets and really start forcing change. I would recommend not necessarily if you don't go to fast food restaurants to go out and start eating fast food.

But if you do, definitely make sure you go to Steak and Shake over these next couple of weeks. Because if we see that that stock value goes up and that people are really responding, if we're seeing that, guess who's seeing that? Burger King is seeing that. McDonald's is seeing that. Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Nabisco. All of these companies are watching right now. How much do people really care?

Do these things make a difference? You want to affect the market. We've said it over and over again. You vote with your dollars. I would recommend supporting steak and shake on this. This is a move we want to see every, you want every restaurant to be doing this. Wouldn't it be great if we never have to ask, you know, what is this food being fried in? Is a bunch of chemicals and seed oils?

And just know that, you know, we've now reached a place where it's understood. They might mega threes are much higher. There's actually some nutritional value to it. I mean, I'm not recommending fried foods, but if you're going to do it, there's certainly better products. Great reporting, Jeffrey, super exciting time. I mean, I'm sure there's going to be plenty for us to complain about. We're not going to, you know, take our foot off the gas. But it is a whole different type of reporting we're listening to right now.

As you're the first statements coming out of President Trump's mouth. All of them, well, I mean, all of the ones in our sector of natural health, I suppose, sans the M RNA cancer vaccine, but so many things moving our direction and things that we care about, which is exciting. I think that change is happening and good things can happen. And I feel like we've played some part in that by bringing this pressure. So great work, Jeffrey. All right. Thank you.

I just want to say that you have to imagine right now, and I've said this time and time again, we can celebrate the Maha balls. We can feel like, oh, my God, we're finally having our moment. But how many balls for other special interest groups spent years and years and years in there to establish the changes they really wanted made. We have a lot of work to do, right? We, you know, and I want to be clear about this. I'm going to talk to Robert Mullen here in just a moment.

He's coming online, but I just want to say that bad ideas are okay, as long as you have a regulatory system that can catch them and stop them. As long as you have then after a pre-licensure system that is working, then you need post-licensure surveillance that's not being manipulated, which is what be safe would have been had they handed to the public had it asked the right questions. But because of the work we do here at I can, we are making them transparent even when they don't want to be. You have that V safe data. And we got the open text fields even though they were trying to keep it from you.

Do you think that that's just going to go away? We need to keep this pressure on. I've been, I said it all week when people were asking me, I was interviewed, of course, in that CNN interview, asking, well, what difference can Robert Kennedy Jr. actually make? I said, well, he's already making it, and that's inspiring the American people to start paying attention. Red dye number three didn't disappear last week and get taken down simply because it just seemed like a good idea to the FDA. They've known for over 10 years that it was toxic. Why all of a sudden? Well, the number one thing is you. You and all of your friends and every mother and everyone that ends up.

up being a part of this maha movement across the country. They're now being watched. The news is now talking about it. They're asking questions. Even Bernie Sanders is saying, why is there toxic chemicals in fruit loops here and not in European countries? It's that pressure that makes the difference. And I said, this is so interesting. I said to many of the news reporters, I say, if you went outside right now, on the street and stopped a thousand people and asked them, who's the current HHS secretary, how many would be able to answer that question. So far, every news reporter has said zero. I was like, right, go out and ask who's the upcoming HHS secretary, his confirmation is coming up, you know, huge bodies, maybe even the majority of people would say, oh, that's Robert Kennedy Jr. That is how you change the country.

That is how you change the world. You get people watching what you're doing. Well, that pressure is what we represent, bringing that pressure to government so that they actually make the changes. and don't go back to sleep. We have a lot of work to do. Freedom of Information Act requests. If we find some part of that bureaucracy that maybe isn't going along, we'll bring the lawsuits,

but none of that's possible without your help. So I just want you to become a recurring donor right now. Your donations are how we are going to keep this pressure and make change happen and help from the outside. Not just wait for someone to do on the inside. We're asking for $25 for $2025. If you're a recurring donor, it helps us know how many lawsuits we can bring, how many FOIA requests we can bring, as we pointed out last week. We're now down to four.

We just need to free the four and bring back religious exemptions. We have amazing cases, very expensive cases all over the country. One or two we're not talking about right now. We hope we'll go all the way to the Supreme Court and maybe finally undo Jacobson versus Massachusetts, which is the 1905 law that allows the government to forcibly vaccinate you. But just to celebrate this moment and a president talking about things that we talk about here on the highwire, can you believe it? We're aligned currently with the president. Listen to this. Thank you very much, everybody.

My recent election is a mandate to completely and totally reverse a horrible betrayal and all of these many betrayals that have taken place and to give the people back. their faith, their wealth, their democracy, and indeed their freedom. We will end the Green New Deal, and we will revoke the electric vehicle mandate, saving our auto industry and keeping my sacred pledge to our great American auto workers. In other words, you'll be able to buy the car of your choice. I will also sign an executive order to immediately stop all government censorship and bring back free speech to America. I will also end the government policy of trying to socially engineer race and gender into

every aspect of public and private life. We will forge a society that is colorblind and merit-based. This week, I will reinstate any service members who were unjustly expelled from our military for objecting to the COVID vaccine mandate with full. back pain. And I will sign in order to stop our warriors from being subjected to radical, political theories and social experiments while on duty. It's going to end immediately. We have a public health system that does not deliver in times of disaster, yet more money is spent on it than any country, anywhere in the world. Together we will end the chronic disease

epidemic and keep our children safe, healthy, and disease free. From this moment on America's decline is over. God bless America. Thank you all. Thank you. We're not a political show, but I will say that many of those issues resonate. And as I said,

we're going to keep bringing pressure to make sure that President Trump and those around him fulfill many of those promises that I think indeed will make America the greatest nation and girl in the world once again. Okay. But that doesn't mean. craziness stops. It doesn't mean bad ideas don't rise up. It doesn't mean that we can all go to sleep at the wheel because of what we all saw in the news this week. It was a little bit shocking that this was the first conversation coming out of the gate. Take a look at this.

It was a dizzying full first day in office for Donald Trump. But his key announcement was the creation of a huge artificial intelligence project. President Trump just moments ago here at the White House announcing this new project for infrastructure inside the U.S. for artificial intelligence. Three tech leaders joined President Donald Trump at the White House for an announcement that could have some pretty big implications for the economy as well as your health. World leading technology giants are announcing the formation of Stargate. So put that name down in your books. And the potential of Stargate is as big as the imagination of future business leaders. But tech veteran Larry Ellison thinks the first applications will be in medical treatments.

This is going to touch all of us. Yes, it takes a huge investment. But the result of the investment will be vaccines that prevent cancers. We're talking about things like advances in medical technology to possibly cure cancer using MRNA vaccine technology to target a person's possible cancer down the road through blood tests and then vaccinate it. Once we gene sequence that cancer tumor, you can then vaccinate the person, design a vaccine for every individual person to vaccinate them against that cancer.

can shrink all of those development times, not only in terms of developing break drugs faster and sooner, but developing drugs that we can't even do today, i.e. cancer drugs that are particularly your own genome sequence. It's really a revolution in medicine. Well, if it is a revolution in medicine, we know one of the people that started this revolution, and I just thought it would be very interesting to talk to him right now. It's my honor and pleasure to be joined by Dr. Robert Malone. Dr. Malone, thank you for joining us today. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, Dell. It's interesting times, isn't it? It really is. And I, you know, as soon as this story popped up, I just thought to myself, what does Malone think?

There's so many questions I have, but as you saw this announcement being made, I'm curious, what were your initial thoughts about it? an MRNA technology that everyone can take to get rid of these little floating cancer cells. What were your thoughts? To be brief and blunt. Been there, done that, seen that, and got the T-shirt. These are not new ideas. We've added a veneer. We just lost.

Hold on one second. Go ahead. I thought we lost audio. Yeah, they're good. Go ahead. Yep. Yeah. So, so, so, um, the addition of artificial intelligence and spinning it as a way to apply MRI vaccine technology is, uh, somewhat novel, but remember business plan for Moderna. So what Larry is reciting is the original modern business plan, which failed. Moderna was about to go bankrupt, uh, in trying to develop cancer vaccines and apply their technology for that purpose. Before it functionally got rescued by the US government and Tony Fauci and pushed forward as the

brave new technology for the COVID-19 response that was, you know, we've lived through that for the last four years. So what is what is Larry talking about here? And it's important to remember that that. he is a staunch advocate for both this MRNA vaccine technology. He believes there's separate clips in which he's talking about how it's completely safe and it's been basically a miracle during COVID. So that's his frame of reference.

He's also deeply committed to transhuman technology. So that's where he's coming from. A fascinating wrinkle in this is that, that his senior biologics expert, his expert in biostatistics, a gentleman by the name of Bill Dumichelle, was in January 2021 collaborating with people at the FDA in the office of the commissioner

in the office of the chief scientist to analyze the data safety signals were coming out of the trials and initial deployment of the MRNA vaccines. And it was that team that originally detected the myocarditis signal. Now that was then denied by the CDC, denied by the FDA. They notified the data team in Israel, these same group of people, including Bill Dumashell, biostatistician for Oracle and notified the Israelis because at the time the Israelis were believed to have the best database relating to the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines, this vaccine

platform, and notified them of what had been detected using non-parametric methods as a fancy word for advanced statistical methods and that had been applied by this team. The Israelis then queried their database, confirmed that they were seeing the myocarditis signal, informed the CDC of their findings, and that's when the CDC and the FDA finally started coming around and talking about myocarditis. Key point here is that Oracle's chief biostatistician was well aware of the risks associated with the mRNA vaccine, particularly the myocarditis risk, but others also. And this has been denied by the CEO, Larry. So that's where he's coming from. He's coming from a strong endorsement. I don't know if he has a financial conflict of interest, if he's a major investor in Moderna or whatever,

but I certainly think that's something that bears looking into is why is he such a staunch advocate for this technology platform when it's not really in his business space? B, that as it may, what he's talking about, picking up peripheral, circulating peripheral blood cancer cells has been in the literature for at least 20 years. It's a challenge to be able to capture those cells and then do single cell sequencing, which is basically what he's talking about. That's not cheap. It's technologically challenging.

And it's outside of his core competence, by the way. That has nothing to do with artificial intelligence. Then we get into, okay, now you've sequenced these circulating cells. And by the way, only a subset of cancers are associated with these circulating peripheral blood cancer cells. It's not all cancer. Okay. So it's a subset.

And sequencing those and then trying to discern what makes them different genetically, what makes them unique, is something that's been ongoing for decades, really for my entire. career that's been a major emphasis of many groups because it's kind of the holy grail if you could do this if you could then identify things that were different that could be anogenically used in a vaccine and there's lots of different ways to advance those vaccines people have been trying to develop cancer vaccines using all kinds of platforms including standard gene therapy technology for decades so uh that hasn't turned out to work so good in either humans or animals.

Why not? Because the real problem is not identifying potential novel antigens associated with cancer cells. That's old school, it's been done for years. The real problem is that cancer exists in us. It gets a foothold when it evolves under the pressure of your immune system to be able to escape your immune system.

I just noticed there's a nature medicine paper out today. that talks about how cancer cells basically poison the immune system. The problem is that these many different types of cancers evolve to be able to evade immune surveillance, host immune surveillance, your body's ability to suppress them. It's a fundamental principle in oncology. The cancers are arising continuously in all of us. You and I, being of one of the two genders that happens to have a process,

It's a clinical saw in pathology, which is the world I come from, that if males live long enough, they will die with prostate cancer, even if they don't die of prostate cancer. Cancers are occurring all time in our bodies, and the thing that keeps them in check is our immune system. And the real problem is that we don't understand very well how that works. We've had some advances in coming up with biologics in particular that help overcome this immune evasion. But we don't really understand it because it's enormously complex. And by the way, it's a good news thing that humans are outbred, unlike inbred mice. And we have a very diverse set of genes and molecules that are responsible for determining what antigens get recognized and how, this call our major histic compatibility complex and there's various proteases also associated with it so

that means that you can't make any easy prediction that what works for you is going to work for me you can't come up with a universal cancer vaccine which is something that larry seems to have said um but maybe i'm misinterpreting that uh but this idea of personalized cancer vaccines Frankly, if he came to me and said, Dr. Malone, I'm going to pay you an exorbitant fee like I pay all my other consultants. And I want you to tell me what we should spend our time with with our fancy new artificial intelligence Stargate tool in order to crack the problem of cancer. I wouldn't say, hey, why don't you try to do what everybody else has been doing for the last 30 years? I would say, why don't you apply your artificial intelligence to trying to understand why and how cancers evolve to escape immune surveillance? That's where we could really use the artificial intelligence.

So what this strikes me as is somebody who really doesn't know what he's talking about. That's pretty clear to me and probably every cancer biologist that saw this clip. And to have this guy lecturing at me with his hands, just was a little bit over the top. As I said, I threw up in my throat a little bit, listening to this. And what we ought to do is get real about what can be done. I don't know who's been coaching Larry and his buddies. It sounds like a pitch that, in my experience, would not survive scrutiny for five minutes at any of the venture capital firms I've ever pitched.

It's naive. It's overly simplistic. And it's jingoistic. They're taking a bunch of terms that are really sexy, stringing them together and spinning them to the public. Personally, I find that pretty offensive. I find it kind of abusive. It's not even at the level of psychological warfare.

This is just a crude marketing push using buzzwords. And I'm sorry to say this. Somebody was just advising me, don't get on the bad side of Mr. Trump. He'll kick you out and that'll be that. But I honor and respect that President Trump is fully committed to helping the United States become a global leader, if not the global leader, instead of the CCC. in artificial intelligence. Bully for him. That's fantastic.

Is this the best use of half a trillion dollars? You know what they say in D.C. Half a trillion here, half a trillion there in pretty soon. You're talking about real money. This is a substantial sum. And is this the best way to use it? If we take this into maha space, This is still focusing on treating disease.

And we could take a large fraction, if not all of that money, and invest it in promoting health and advocating for healthy lifestyles, healthy eating habits, et cetera, et cetera, and things that can make more healthy foods available to the general public and probably have a bigger impact on cancer, incidents, and survivability and overall disease, then we would by trying to piggyback on top of a sexy new AI tool that's going to cost us big money, a moonshot kind of money.

And that's where I come down on this is, Larry, sometimes I get lectured that I'm outside of my lane. Well, in this case, Larry's outside of his lane. He doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. And I think that as I look at these clips, what comes to me is that these guys were in the middle of presenting this new initiative that the president is strongly endorsing and rightfully so. It would be great if the United States had world class at a world leading capabilities in artificial intelligence. it's almost essential for defense purposes, if nothing else, that we have that capability. But then they were in a position.

What it strikes me is that somebody said, well, you've got to find some way to make this accessible to the common man, to express to the common man how this fancy new gadget is going to make his life better, his or her life better. And so they said, oh, I know cancer. Everybody's afraid of cancer. And we could come up with a little, logic of how we could make this work for cancer. But that is absolutely not the primary purpose that's going on here. It's a potential spin-off application, just like Tang Orange Juice and

space food sticks were spin-off applications from the Moonshot program. But it is not the primary purpose. And I think it's a little duplicitous, underhanded, not transparent to the to spin this and pitch it as a way to solve the cancer problem, it's really intended for much larger issues. And I'm personally a little bit offended that this data guy and these Silicon Valley moguls and this bank are going to come in and act like they really know what's going on when they clearly are clueless. I agree.

I mean, I didn't, this didn't strike me with the same alarm as many in our movement. I recognize the alarm. To me, it was somewhat imbecilic. It's, you know, we're going to land on Saturn. And all I need is, as you said, a half a trillion dollars. I'm like, good luck with that. I think he's about $10 billion into the raise or something like that. But whatever the case, you know, it's still this idea.

And AI of all the things that we'd use it for, what I'm shocked at, it just seems like the simpler conversation is you could use AI right now. And it's, you know, in the form it's in, which is still got a long ways to go in your paper, in your substack. I think you joke that just trying to create an image, it was incapable of throwing an image together that suited, like it couldn't tell the difference. It couldn't tell the difference between MRNA and DNA. So you're like not so sure how long is going to be to, you know, we can trust this technology.

So I thought the same thing. I think there's a lot of alarm is that like I think the concern that people have after COVID is they'll just rush this right on the market and it'll be right there. But why isn't AI the conversation? Why do we look at the databases right now? I feel like it would be very helpful in figuring out what's causing a lot of these cancers. What is the cause of these chronic illnesses like autism? And the keeps you say, we don't know what's causing autism. I feel like you could be using it there in a very, you know, utilitarian way, right?

Yeah. This is a hammer for big data. Right. And let's apply it to the big data problems that we have. That's precisely correct. And that requires that we access public data and health data. But many of these large HMOs are quite willing to. And, of course, there's the DOD health database, which is one of the best in the world.

So there's a lot of things that could be done, as you point out, very appropriately, to apply this. And I think it just shows how simplistic and naive the thinking was. It's almost as if they were caught flat-footed and they had to pull something out of a hat. Right. Because if they had sat down with some serious scientists and had an advisory session about how to apply this supercomputer version of artificial intelligence, or in the health space, they could have come up with 20, 30, 40 ideas that were better than this one. It also smacks of them kind of playing Donald Trump because they're hitting hot buttons that he personally is invested in. He's invested in the idea of Operation Warp Speed.

He was invested in the success of the MRNA technology. He still thinks that the MRNA products were safe and effective, except maybe they were overdosed in children. And so it feels to me like he was being pitched in a way that really wasn't, you know, very respectful. Let's put it that way. Well, one thing's for sure, I think, is if AI actually did look at our databases,

I doubt its conclusion is going to be that we are drug deficient, that we don't have enough drugs in our body yet, right? As it turns out, you need more drugs, which is where Larry knows the money has to be made. Drugs make money, finding out like... Yeah, so that's a dull great point. So another thing that AI could be used for is drug repurposing. Right, yeah. And that could be, you know, because we have this enormous pharmacopoeia now of off-patent drugs.

And that's what we, our little group started working on, was drug repurposing and computational docking, et cetera. That's applications that absolutely would be a perfect fit for a great AI engine. And, you know, that is something that could provide a lot of benefit in a very short time. Let's remember that that's the mandate that Bobby's been given by the president. is that Bobby is supposed to show measurable improvements in health of Americans within 12 to 18 months. Yeah. So it's not a timeline for some fantastic new gadget that's going to take a decade and going to result in products that are going to cost the consumer or Medicare and Medicaid.

I wonder what Dr. Oz has to say about this. You know, this is a budget buster. This is going to be how many hundreds of thousands of dollars? if not millions per patient for this custom vaccine production. You kind of were touching on that a little earlier in an earlier segment. This is gonna be a budget buster if it even were to come to fruition.

And the other problem with this kind of personalized medicine historically, by the way, is the FDA doesn't like it very much. They are very resistant to this kind of approach because they like things that are manufactured at scale that they can oversee. This kind of one-off manufacturing process smacks of the formularies that are busy producing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, et cetera, that the FDA really doesn't like at all. So what are we going to have, kind of a decentralized operation of a small, portable MRI manufacturing facilities located in every state to avoid the FDA oversight,

Or are you going to have to go to Puerto Rico to get your MRNA vaccine custom built? You know, it's just, I'm sorry, Larry. Nice try. Go back, set up an advisory board and think this through again because a lot of stuff that your tool could be used for that would be really helpful. This one, I don't think so. Let's just talk about MRNA technology for a second because the big question, As we as getting back to the nuts and bolts this little bit, one of the things I see argued all the time is the COVID vaccine shouldn't have been called a vaccine. It's a gene therapy. You know, that I've seen that argument all sides of it. And here again, it sounds like what we're talking about is a gene therapy. Do you have a definition that could help us understand it? Because you're the one that was in gene therapy, as you've described it to me. You're trying to use mRNA as as a delivery system to insert into the genome in some way to affect a positive change.

It was getting attacked by the immune system, if I'm right, it couldn't survive. You're like, but maybe this short-lived adventurous thing would be better as a vaccine, so it wouldn't cause autoimmunity and hang around too long. But is this a vaccine? Is what he's talking about, even if it worked, is it a vaccine or is it a gene therapy? And what's the difference? Okay, so to recap, I was in Indyverma's lab, who is Dr. Indyverma, who is arguably at the time one of the top two or three gene therapy experts in the world. Right.

He'd been trained by David Baltimore, Nobel Prize laureate, and had been one of the key people that characterized reverse transcriptase, this key enzyme for which David, Baltimore, and Howard Timm, got the Nobel Prize. So I'm in a gene therapy lab at the Salk Institute, working on retroviral vectors. And by the way, the person that founded the company that eventually became J&J was the senior postdoc. And he was working on adenovirus vector technology. And he eventually created a company and then took that company to focus on vaccines because it wasn't working so well for gene therapy in the classic sense. And he once came to me and said, Thanks, Robert, for the idea of using gene therapy for vaccines.

That's what we're going to focus our entire company on, and that eventually become J&J. So that's that. What my little project was was focused on a nuance of retroviruses, how the RNA gets packaged. And in order to ask some basic questions, I had to develop some new technology. I had to learn how to manufacture large quantities of RNA. scale and purify it. By the way, I was totally obsessed with getting rid of the DNA and showing that I got rid of the DNA, something that has come back to bite the industry right now, as we all know, because of the adulteration with the DNA fragments. So I learned how to make it

at large quantities, and then I set about trying to find ways to get it into cells so I could ask my basic science questions, and that eventually led after testing everything else to this catalyptinic lipid business that had just been discovered. it at Syntex. And then I tested that on a wide variety of cells and then on frogs and chick embryos and lo and behold, it worked. It could deliver RNA. And then the question was, I had, at this point, I am so far off the reservation. I'm in a viral gene therapy lab, viral vector gene therapy lab, doing non-viral delivery and not even doing it with DNA. I'm doing it with RNA. That's way off the reservation. And I filed patent disclosures about this, about the idea of

using RNA as a drug. And then as somebody who had been in the vaccine space for years, going back to my time at UC Davis with Murray Gardner and Bob Cardiff and the early days of AIDS and AIDS vaccine development in 1983 and 1984, and then worked with a flu virologist at Northwestern, Robert Lamb. I was very aware of the need for better vaccine technology and for an alternative to live attenuated viruses. So I just had the aha moment where I realized that this tech could be used to produce something that was more like a natural viral infection, but without having the whole virus. and in a way that was very simple and straightforward. You could use RNA as a drug to produce, to cause your body, to produce a protein,

just like a virus does when it infects you. But you wouldn't have the whole virus. That's the idea. And then got developed. It got demonstrated when I left and went over to VICAL. We demonstrated immune responses against AIDS proteins using RNA. And then with flu and in a mouse flu model. And then it all got dropped because nobody could figure out how to scale up what I was doing in the test too in terms of the manufacturing until the patents expired.

And then the government dropped a ton of money on Moderna, et cetera, and the rest is history. So that's how that's that's my head. I had nothing to do with these vaccines, et cetera. That's how it came to pass. Now, the idea is still solid. the idea that you can produce an immune response against a foreign protein using a gene therapy technique, any gene therapy technique, MRNA happens to be one. And that is absolutely solid and it's gone mainstream now. And it's very much akin to live attenuated. It was at the

core of the vaccine that I helped bring forward. It is now the Mercubolone. vaccine. It's a different platform. It's another kind of recombinant virus, scyculostomatitis virus. But that worked, by the way, that is a nasty vaccine. It is a really reactogenic vaccine, and people line up to take it because it's Ebola. The big difference is the risk benefit ratio. And here we ended up with something that's more like the flu in terms of its risk. And the benefit associated with these products, not so much. They're really not very effective. One of the problems that existed all the way through the DNA and RNA vaccine space has been known for decades, is that they produce an interesting and different immune response that has

more of a cellular component. So they focus obsessively on the antibodies, but it's actually the cellular immune response that matters more in most of these. And it tends to come strong and be short-lived. It is not a very durable response. And what have we seen with the RNA vaccines? They aren't durable. You have to keep jabbing and jabbing and jabbing. And every time you do that, you expose the patient to the same risk again. So that's what has come down here. That was the whole origin of the idea. And I abandoned it because I could not overcome the toxicity associated with formulations. They were incredibly inflammatory. But I was told that the group at University of British Columbia had solved that problem and that they had made new lipid preparations and

formulations that made it so that the product would stay at the side of injection and the draining lymph nodes and it didn't have all this toxicity. And it turned out that that was all a lie, as you've just shown with that most recent paper looking at the biodistribution. But Pfizer knew it was a lie because that's shown in their early submissions to the FDA, which Steve and myself and Brett talked about on the Dark Horse podcast so long ago. It's all been out there. And what's happened is every time we confront the government and the FDA, and especially Peter Marks, with the truth, they just deny it. And it's kind of amazing watching it happen, this denialism about scientific data at the same time that there's all this propaganda going around about

trust the science, and I am the science, and blah, blah, blah. But the data have been there. and they've been there for four years now or five years, and they haven't overcome the problems. They're just denying them. And people ask me again and again, could MRNA technology be made safe by, for instance, coming up with a different delivery system? And other than these catonic lipids,

which, as you point out correctly, cross the blood-brain barrier and have all kinds of biodistribution issues associated with toxicity also. So, yeah, it's consistent. conceivable that one somebody someday might solve these problems. They might solve the problem of the pseudo-uridine, the thing that Kareko and Weissman, together with their work on creating the vaccine got the Nobel for. The Nobel was not given for the idea or the invention. They

don't even mention vaccines in their initial patents. The idea that the Nobel was given specifically for these vaccines and the people, the role of Karekine Weissman in enabling these vaccines, and the Nobel Prize Committee specifically said the reason they were awarding it was that it would encourage more people to get these vaccines. So let's put a pin in that. That's what that's about. It's a political award. And that's the Nobel Prize has often been political. It's, there's nothing new about that. You know, we all talk about Obama and the Nobel Peace Prize is one particularly example. That's that's what went down and and I like to say could RNA delivery for gene therapy and vaccines be made safe and my response is if pigs had wings they could fly. It's

purely speculative. It's possible. Somebody might solve the problems. Now is this gene therapy or is it vaccines? Vaccines are a subset of gene therapy. applications. You have a platform, a capability of doing something, of transferring genetic information, foreign genetic information into somebody's body. Well, that's gene therapy. If you are giving a genetic material to a patient to confer a therapeutic or prophylactic endpoint, you're administering a gene therapy. There's no denying it except by the fact checkers and the propagandists. You know, when I said this early on, I got hammered for it, just unrelenting. But you can't deny it is what it is. It is a gene therapy. You are administering foreign genetic material to a patient in order to

produce a medical benefit. And of those potential benefits, one is a immune response. a back, an intentional immune response. And that we happen to call at this point in time vaccination. If you're going to talk about a cancer vaccine, you're talking about causing a immune response that normally would not happen to occur by transferring genetic material into somebody's body. So it is both gene therapy and the application vaccine.

You can also use gene therapies to correct, diseases of the inner eye. You can use gene therapies to correct thalassemia or sickle cell anemia or maybe someday cystic fibrosis. But one application is to use a gene therapy method, almost any gene therapy method, in order to cause a body, a person's body, to make a foreign protein, just like when they're infected with the virus, so that you mount an immune response. Why don't you, why not just administer the virus? Well, the reason is, because viruses have all kinds of tricks to evade the immune response that they've evolved. They upregulate cytokines, they downregulate cytokines, they produce their own pseudo-cytokines,

they got all kinds of tricks, just like cancer cells develop all kinds of tricks to evade the immune response. And so the idea that you can take something from a virus, that's immunogenic, that causes an immune response, and produce it in your body without all the extra baggage that the virus uses to trick your body is, you know, this is not rocket science. This is straightforward stuff. And anybody can understand it if it's not wrapped up in scientific gobbling. So that's what's going on. It's both a gene therapy and a vaccine technology.

But first and foremost, it's a gene therapy technology. Why have they wanted to deny that it's a gene therapy technology? Well, because there is a big establishment. body of regulatory science and regulatory policy about what you're supposed to do when you're developing a gene therapy before you ever put it in patients among which by the way is shedding studies that's a whole another that's one of my big concerns here too is everybody's getting some individualized vaccine for their own particular cancer and then they're shedding it on all the rest of us I mean, what is that going to do if that happens?

I mean, but continue on. They were in total denial that shedding was even possible, but now the data are coming in and not so much. It's looking like it may well be happening in some subset of cases by various routes, not the least of which may be respiratory exosomes. And so, you know, what bothers me about Peter Marks in Operation Warp Speed? is that the logic is that we can jettison basically regulatory wisdom that's been accumulated over decades because it's burdensome.

The reason why the FDA is burdensome is because they don't think very well and they tend to be really dogmatic. But, and so they insist on a lot of extra studies that don't necessarily need to be done. But there is a body of knowledge that's been established internationally over decades about what you need to do to avoid causing harm to human beings through pharmaceuticals and biologics. And each of these regs is there because something happened at some point in time. So it's lessons learned and then that's codified as regulatory. rules, guidances. And what Peter Marks was promoted for into his position, who's the guy that created Operation Warp Speed. OWS comes from Peter Marks, and on the biodefense side, you know, the DOD side,

it comes from Bob Cadillic, who used to be the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response. So these two guys get together, and they basically said, let's throw out the rules that are in, we think are inconvenient because this pathogen is such a huge threat. Three to four people out of every 100 people infected are going to die from it. We're going to have mass death and death in the street. So we've got to throw the rules out and we've got to jam this thing through as quick as possible. But it turns out that the rules, particularly relating to development of gene therapy products, were there for a good reason and they probably should have been followed. They shouldn't have jettison. them and they should have allowed alternative therapies to flourish, like hydroxychloroquine,

ivermectin, cellicoxid, famadine, so many other things that were in protocols, dexymethosone, et cetera, and treat people early, don't wait until they get really sick, and then, you know, come back when your lips are blue, all that story. And I talked about on Joe Rogan so long ago. You know, there's things that could have been done, but they became obsessed with this shiny object of this technology. And that Dell is a human story. That fascination with shiny things gets us in trouble all the time. And that's why it's useful to have gray hairs around like you and me. They're on the block a few times and can say, hey, as you said,

just a little while ago in this program, hold on, wait, just a minute. Let's think this through again, maybe we have some other options. And instead of just trying to jam this cool, new, shiny tech through the system by throwing away the rulebook and then dealing with all of the problems, not the least of which is this huge amount of damage that's been done to the public health enterprise. You know, to the extent that vaccines do good and we can arm wrestle over that, I think it needs to be taken on a case-by-case basis, and I absolutely support the thesis of turtles all the way down, that we need to have better controlled studies to establish what the true risk benefit is. But we're now in a situation of use, as I've heard you point out, where a large fraction of the American public in the world,

it had become full-on anti-vaxxers because they just don't trust the government anymore for, you know, could reason here. And so I think the big tragedy here is that in their rush to push all this stuff through us, they caused unnecessary death, unnecessary harm, avoidable harm, disillusionment, social strife, through their propaganda and their censorship and their defamation and their gangstocking, you know, sponsored CDC, sponsored gangstocking physicians through the public good project and the shots heard around the world program. All of this stuff has just been enormously damaging and was avoidable. They didn't have to do this. Yeah. And I think it's, you know, that's, the good news is that people are listening to you. And with the transition and Bobby's hopeful soon,

What do you think about that? As you look at it, you've been up, you've been in the machine, you've been in the swamp, if you will, trying to do things like focus on repurpose drugs, which doesn't make industry a lot of money, which tends to this revolving door and this, you know, corrupting that Robert Kennedy Jr. keeps talking about, gets in the way of actual science being done because it's always the bottom line, the dollar, you know, who's going to make what money. you've been around those special interests, and that's what many of us are concerned about

going into these hearings. You know, what do you feel? What is your, you know, feeling about Robert Kennedy Jr.'s chances right now of assuming a position at HHS? My gut says that he's going to make it. Yeah? But I hear there's a subset of people that are vote counters whips that are saying that he might not.

I think we have to acknowledge the possibility, hope for the best, and prepare for the worst. I personally think that the momentum is so strong, the public support is so strong, the unmet need for transformative thinking and new ideas in health and wellness, the idea of refocusing the whole HHS R&D enterprise on promotion of health as opposed to treating disease, that's solid. The idea of changing the incentive structure and putting guidelines on the food industry so that it's more aligned with the science and less aligned with the lobbyists. That's solid. So I certainly hope that Bobby gets in there and that they don't fence him,

a perimeter fence him like they did downtown DC. That's my fear as he gets in. And then they, you know, through circumstance and whether it's nefarious intent or it's just the way things are in DC, he finds himself constrained by the senior executive service and all of the, the various people that surround the Senate and the House and the executive branch pushing this,

that and the other agenda that makes it so that he can't get stuff done. My big worry is that if you look in the plum book, you look at the jobs underneath Bobby, almost all of them that are going to be reporting directly to him, are senior executive service, their career bureaucrats. And a lot of these people were put in by Obama. The hope is that this new Schedule F-like executive order that's been put in that will allow reclassification of these people, as at-will employees like most of us are,

will create some ability of Bobby and others in the executive branch, in leadership to hold these people accountable or otherwise replace them. Yeah. But he's stepping into a hornet's nest. I had a, during your Mahal ball, I had an opportunity to meet some people that will be in senior positions

in other HHS departments, came over and kindly introduced themselves, and I mentioned to them that they were going to be working in a snake pit, and they quietly said to me that they knew that that was the case. This is not going to be easy. This is going to be a real challenge. And I think I really have strongly advocated

through my writing and substack that we give Trump's appointees oxygen and breathing room. Let's, you know, it's important, I think, to speak out, continue to speak out, act with integrity, but not be mean or aggressive right now and try to step back from the circular firing squad, at least until he's confirmed. Yeah. And give people, you know, a chance to succeed.

Mr. Trump is not shy about firing people. And if you have senior staff that aren't performing, that are presidential appointees, I'm sure that he won't hesitate to find other people to fill those slots. So let's let's let the system work a little bit and let's trust Bobby and trust the team that's been put in place. But when we have things like day two of the presidency announcing a major AI, MRI personalized cancer vaccine program. I think I think it's appropriate to kind of give them a little brain back. I love it. Dr. Malone you are a prolific writer putting out a lot of great information. How do people follow where do we best follow the work that you're doing

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All right, Dr. Malone, thank you for taking the time today. Very informative. Super interesting. I look forward to speak with you again. And we're going to get together in just a moment on off the record and maybe a little bit more personal on some issues. But take care. Thank you for taking the time. Love your family.

Thanks for having me on, Dale. All right, great. Well, I mean, amazing. There's the guy that invented this technology. He doesn't seem too worried that we're going to have a personalized cancer vaccine on the market anytime soon. But yes, we should be vigilant. We should definitely stand up and make sure and, you know, make our thoughts known that this probably wasn't the best thing to come out of the gate with.

I have some more questions for Dr. Robert Malone about this upcoming, the hearings of Robert Kennedy Jr. And really, how do you change a system that is as corrupt as our regulatory agency seem to be? And how do regulations go along with conservatism and how do we balance? that lots of important questions are going to hopefully be answered on off the record which is you know one of the things that we're presenting to all of you that are becoming recurring donors we want to give you a little bit of extra special information that only you receive it's our gift back to you what's off the record well here it is and I'll see you next week and that's the rock the viewers

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Germ or terrain theory. What the hell is this really about? To get the answers you won't find anywhere else. One last question. White privilege. telling the truth that they don't want you to hear. We're pissing nature off. Is anyone telling me the truth?

You have no obligation to be honest with these people. No doctor wants to say that they're killing people. Yeah, but doesn't every doctor want to stop killing people? You have no freedom. You have no liberty. You're a slave. It's silly to call people anti-vaccine. It's nonsense. Yeah.

All of that's BS. We will have full discovery power. Watch what happens when we go off the record. You are not going to want to miss this. Off the record, there's a lot of fun coming up right after the show. You can watch it if you're on Highwire Plus. You can also watch part two of Jeffrey Jackson's polio documentary series. Also, part one is there as well.

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I just want to just, you know, just say that the ball that we were all at over the weekend was so inspiring. But it's hard, right? It's hard to just hold on to a place of faith. It's like we work so hard to get here. We want to believe that Robert Kennedy Jr. Can make a difference. But then, oh, my God, what is Donald Trump's first announcement is an MRNA vaccine

for cancer? And it's so easy to get derailed. I think, you know, Dr. Robert Malone makes a great point. Like, let's let some oxygen, you know, the blood needs oxygen up here in Washington, D.C., really important. You know, let's talk, you know, after these guys are sworn in and they've had some. some time to work it out. Maha hasn't really technically begun in my mind until Robert Kennedy Jr. and his team are confirmed and inside of, you know, inside the government. President Trump is

allowing for that, but I don't think that, you know, science and technology is not necessarily his expertise. I think he wants to see it advanced. I think he wants to see things happening. And I have a question, honestly, whether or not he even knew that Larry Ellison was going to get into the MRNA vaccine technology or if he thought it was just going to be a report on AI. It seemed like everyone was talking about AI. Maybe he got caught by surprise. Maybe he didn't. I don't know.

But one thing I do know for sure is maybe the most important hearings and certainly the most anticipated cabinet hearing in history happens this week. For those who may be coming in late, here's the QR code. if you want to get information, but it's at the Dirksen Senate office in Washington, D.C. at 10 a.m. That's the Finance Committee. I believe that's Ron Johnson's Committee, if I'm not wrong. That is going to be the Finance Committee. The next day is the Health Committee. I've been told only the Finance Committee is going to vote. And then, of course, however they vote, that then goes on to the Senate and the entire Senate will get to debate.

this conversation should be super interesting. If you want to get to D.C., we were just there. I'm telling you, bring a coat. If it was anything like this weekend, I have to tell you, the ball was packed. There was literally people out the door trying to get in, bringing photos of people. I know Del Binkery can I get in here, but you had to be dedicated to get there. It was a half a mile with all the lockdowns in the city. The closest you could get, at least when I arrived.

I don't think that changed until the very end. You had to walk a half a mile in ball gowns. the ladies that did it in in in in because of you know secret service like lockdown around the protections around the city but the closest we could get and it was single digits wind blowing wet cold icy freezing um Mickey willis and Nadia talked about hiking three miles from one ball the other it was for so so if you missed it uh you maybe you can just say hey at least I missed that but the place was packed it was amazing if anything was going to ruin a ball that That would have been it.

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