The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 415: MEASLES: INSIDE THE OUTBREAK

Episode Date: March 15, 2025

The Fight to Regenerate Asheville; Jefferey Jaxen delivers reports on the bird flu saga, plus, a deep dive into the link between obesity and immune function, and the latest on Dr. Dave Weldon’s nomination for CDC Chief; Dr. Richard Bartlett joins Del in-studio to share his firsthand experience treating children during the West Texas measles outbreak.Guests: Keresey Pearl, Briana Pond, Dr. Richard BartlettBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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All right, everyone, we ready? Yes. Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time for us all to step out onto the high wire. Well, there's so many amazing things happening and some of it right here in the heart of Texas. These are wild times to be alive. We've got bird flus.

We've got measles. We've got outbreaks everywhere. It seems like it's the new way that we work in the world. We've got a huge show coming up a little bit further on in this show. I'm going to be talking to a doctor that was right on the front line. Treatings in the measles cases here in Texas, Dr. Richard Bartlett. And we're going to speak to two mothers whose families went through the measles during this outbreak. Their firsthand account coming up later in the show, this is an exclusive.

want to miss, especially if you've been curious what's really going on there. I know I'm curious. I can't wait to figure out what the details really are because there's so much information on all sides of this. It's hard to tell what's information, what's misinformation. But speaking of misinformation, just over six months ago, we had Hurricane Helene just slammed into North Carolina and made, you know, an absolute mess in places that never imagined. Whoever thought thought of a hurricane like hitting mountain areas. It was so bizarre to begin with, dams overflowing, massive destruction, and then a complete and total cover-up, it seemed, from our own government handing out $700, I think it was, per person, as though that can help you

through a tragedy like this. Well, at the center of this are people that are still trying to recover. And there's a new group that has come together and said, you know, if we can't trust FEMA, If we cannot trust the way, I mean, every one of these, I keep saying it, why aren't we getting any better at this? Why are we so bad when it comes to these natural disasters? We're a modern world. What is going on? Well, some people are taking it into their own hands and trying to reimagine how we handle disasters. Take a look at this.

As we look upon our planet from space, we witness its undeniable beauty. Yet as we zoom in, the Hirsch reality unfolds. We are no longer just witnessing these disasters from afar. They're happening here on our doorstep. Category 4, Hurricane Helene, could gain even more strength before official... We thought everything was okay. We did not realize the extent of it. One night of water changed everything for everybody in this community.

Our equipment, our couches and our stuff was put in the rafters of the ceiling. That's how powerful the water was. We're still in that place of identifying what does our next chapter look like. We need to prepare for a future that includes storms of this intensity with greater frequency. After Hurricane Helene, a small group of people came together to create a blueprint for new ways to fund and support high-impact projects, shifting from isolated efforts to collective action. So our mission is really to bring funding and resources to the local grassroots initiatives. boots on the ground people that know what need to be done, know how to heal our soil, our waters, our businesses, and get them the resources that they need to be able to do that.

So this bioregional financing model is really a next level model. What we're doing is catalytic grant funds at first to create the support and the resources that these regenerators need. Also creating innovative solutions that can bring more resources and continued funding back into this bioregion in a self-sustaining way. We're working closely with the BioFi Project, which came out of the Buckminster Fuller Institute, and we've just recently been invited to be one of 18 bioregional organizing teams from around the world, North, South, Central America, and Hawaii to share best practices in a cohort of how we bring

this model into our bioregions in a way that is so effective and so different than anything that's been done before. We're really going to be educating and teaching people outside of Asheville of what this means and how they can do it where they live. I think of myself as a messenger. Not only am I going to be out there sharing what we're doing in Asheville to continue to get the spotlight back on what we're doing in this area, but to also inform other people how they can do it. The operating system is a complete holistic circle where there is an ability to bring new ideas to life. We have plans for building individual innovation studios where small cohorts of groups who are helping to bring the community

together and to make change are going to work. Ultimately, we also will have our own office set up for the regenerating Asheville leadership team and maybe even a coffee bar when the community can come in and get some work done and learn what's happening. Business owners in the River Arts District are seeing major cleanup happening. Rebuilding is everybody's business.

Progress is good, innovation is good, expansion is good, growth is good. We just don't want people to forget what was there before. One of the things that has happened over the past 50 years is that disconnection of where you're from. Here, there's not a people who don't know what is the roots. That's why in Africa, these people do not have any money, they don't have anything, but they're just happy. The act of coming together and sharing stories has historically been a way that communities have flourished and passed knowledge to future generations.

The French Broad River is over 325 million. 25 million years old, witnessing more history than we can begin to imagine. She predates the mountains, dinosaurs, and all mammals. She is the lifeblood of this land, the silent keeper of Asheville's story. This land has seen hardship, displacement, destruction, and imbalance that still shape our present. And throughout time, this region has been home to visionaries, innovators, and pioneers, people who saw beyond the challenges and worked to preserve the soul of this place. We are not just restoring what was. We are reclaiming a way of being that honors the land, the people, and the stories that endure.

We have an opportunity to create a new blueprint that can improve our resilience. Because when we lose our history, we lose our identity. This is how we keep the dream alive and being an example for our children and live. in this life and give thanks to all of those that gave before so that you could have the privilege to be here today. Well, I'm joined now by the documentarians that are making a series around this historic approach towards cleaning up Asheville. I'm joined my kerosy Pearl and Brianna Pond. Thanks for joining us today. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, Dale, for having us on. Yeah, we're so honored to be here. It's good to have you here. You know, this is a story. It's so easy for

all of us to move on with our lives and forget that there's still people struggling, you know, the weather's getting nice for many of us. We're like, oh, great, summer's here. I've gone through, you know, having houses burned down and forest fires and, you know, your life isn't exactly the same. You're still trying to work on things and get it all together. So on the ground right now in Asheville, what does the world look like in North Carolina? Where are they at? Because it just seems like nobody's really talking about it now. Well, I think anybody who follows mainstream news can understand how quickly things are out of the news cycle.

You know, it seems like within a week, a major disaster like this can be just kind of moved on from. And so that was something we noticed early on and why we actually wanted to document and get more of these stories out. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done around the town, and this is actually actually why we are excited to talk with you today because of the initiatives that have been forming for the long strategy for the long term. Yeah, and something, if you were a tourist to come and visit Asheville, you go to the downtown

and everything looks like it's fine because thankfully the downtown wasn't hit as hard because it's on a hill. But if you go five, ten minutes out in all directions, I mean everything is just completely still destroyed and families and a lot of people are still displaced. I mean, we're looking at like 10, 15 years to recover and a lot of money to get back to, yeah, where we were before. When you started, you know, traveling around and documenting this, what are the things that we don't see? You know, you imagine water, but then the water goes away and there's some mud. Are the things that you're just, that we don't usually think about when you now find yourself

in a cleanup like this? Yeah, something major to think about is, yes, the water was an issue, but the water quality during the flood was so toxic. I mean, we had semi-trucks and houses and so much man-made material floating in the water that the water quality after it left and it evaporated and now is go back into the stream, the mud that's left over is extremely toxic. Then once that mud started to dry, now we are filled with all this dust. So it's been a major thing for us to be thinking about bringing in experts to figure out soil remediation for, honestly, years to come.

I mean, growing food here, just existing in Asheville, we're just really wanting to make sure that everyone's healthy. And on that note, Del, one of the things, I'm not sure if people, all of your viewers, know how much of an agriculture region, Appalachia is. much like California, we grow a lot of food for the country. So our soils being polluted is a major issue, not just for our local community, although nationally. And thankfully, we have excellent solutions that are happening. Because we had so many fallen trees in the area, we're bringing in people to really create innovative ideas, like using biochar and turning the trees into mulch so that we can really start to remediate the soil. That's amazing. So in regenerating Asheville, what is the approach? You know, how do you, I mean, what's the issue? Because it seems like there's always nonprofits that show up and there's all sorts of groups. I've talked to a few here on the show. What is the difficulty, though? How do you get them all working together?

That's such a great question. Well, it's actually one of the ways in which regenerating Asheville was formed because we noticed as we went out with our cameras and we were capturing things and talking to the community and we were pulled into this little cohort that had formed that was a few business leaders in the community that really loved what we were up to and we had similar visions. And one of the overlapping things that we heard through this leadership council, so to speak, was that there weren't enough people talking to each other. There was a lot of grassroots efforts, like you're saying, forming a lot of people wanting to help. And even all the donations that were given to this region, which everybody is so grateful for,

there were these silos. And so one of regenerating Asheville's solutions is to get people out of the silos, to get them connected, to have the leaders talking to one another, from city council, to the mayor's office, to any of these nonprofit organizations, and down to the citizen level. Well, you talk about, go ahead, go ahead, yeah. We kind of knew that we needed to come together. And I think everyone in Asheville kind of felt that way. I mean, the community was absolutely amazing.

And I don't know if the media really showcased that enough. It didn't matter who you were, what political view you had, where you lived, people were coming out to help one another. was one of the most fantastic things. And that's honestly what inspired us to take our cameras out and start filming this to show the world that we live in a city that really is working on a, just on a different level of community, it almost seems.

And maybe this is community that is around. But when crisis like this happens, something that's made me feel really good about living in Asheville is knowing that I have a strong community here. And so that's why we were like, we need to create an organization that's bringing these community leaders together so that we can start making some big changes. What, you know, how's the government involvement? I mean, it seems like there's so much funding

needed. If you're saying you've got to clean up farms, you know, that produce food, does FEMA handle that? Where does the money come from? I mean, I think we always think of it like, you know, rebuilding a house or something. And I can tell you, having been through the Malibu fires, that takes forever. And we just decided to leave instead of stick it out. But for those that stick around. But what about farms and cleaning up soils at all? I mean, does our government jump in and handle that? Well, honestly, we haven't really been reporting on the or documenting kind of the government FEMA side of things. So I don't think we can speak as clearly around that, although that is one of the reasons we were so inspired to like Bree was saying, document what the community

was organically doing. And I think we saw a lot of this after Hurricane Katrina. And it seems like it's happening a hundredfold within the Asheville community, just really seeing the impact of all these people coming together and not waiting and not, you know, kind of saying, well, where is our government? I'm sure there are stories coming out from the region about that, although the overarching is just how many people and how many organizations and from non-profits to for-profits really coming together, as well as, you know, a lot of the faith-based groups that have shown up like Salvation Army and what's the other one I'm thinking red cross and there's a number of those that are actually building houses for free for people which is incredible and so I think

beloved Asheville is another one people might know of they're doing an incredible job as a nonprofit getting people into homes getting them food so there is kind of like a two-prong approach to this there is the short term like trauma response which we have seen over the last six months. And then there's the long term. And we are part of the short-term solution insofar as much as gathering information to build the long-term strategy.

So we're helping those people that are doing a lot of the boots on the ground efforts to be able to sustain for the long term and really seeing how this becomes something that we don't have to wait around for our government because this is something that honestly, when it's community driven, it's actually more empowering for the community as well. Is it reproducible while you're working on this? Do you imagine that this is something that we can do

as we see more disasters that will happen this summer and, you know, in the years to come? That's the entire intent for the series. That's why we're calling it Blueprint Appalachia. It's going to be a six-episode docu-series that is filmed and captured in real time, so we'll be releasing it as it's happening. And each episode will take you through how to incorporate what we're doing anywhere in the world. Okay. So it's going to teach you how to bring in this new financing model, to bring in global philanthropic funds, to be able to get more money to an area where the community can decide where that goes. And then also we're doing a lot of different things, but I could talk about it for a while.

But yes, it will be a blueprint that we can hand off as an educational tool and not just as a cinematic experience. And along those lines, Del, one of the things that we're really excited about with the docu series is we're planning on having this really incredible database at the end of this. And this will be AI searchable. So the information will be extremely easy for people to resource. So let's say it was Spain that just had the disaster hit after our disaster or the fires in L.A., which is more recent. Anybody around the world is brief saying can go into this database, can research and find

how did they remediate their soil? How did they fix their water? How did they bring their community leaders together and really understand a lot of the weaving that we've been doing? And this is honestly why we're so excited to put this together and why we think we have something. That's a value, yes, for this community and also for the world. When these disasters strike, for instance, in Malibu, you know, which a lot of people think is affluent, but there was a whole heart of Malibu that was just all of the old surf community, the things that, you know, sort of were there that just get wiped out by these things. You lose the history, it seems. You lose the culture, whether it's a fire that burns it out or a mudslide that covers it up. When it gets rebuilt so often now, we just see

it's sort of the moneyed interest, the rich people all get bigger houses than they had before. But is Asheville concerned about losing the culture at all as it rebuilds? Is that a focus for you guys? That definitely was on our minds, and that's why we wanted to use the power of media to really hold accountability for how we are going to rebuild. And thankfully, we are in a community where I don't think that's going to happen. The community are so strong and not letting, you know, bigger corporations come in. It's been really focused on its arts and culture. So our whole first episode is called Story of Place, because the foundation of regenerating Asheville to create thriving. regenerative systems, you really need to understand the history, and not just the history of people, but the land as well, so that we can make good decisions.

So it's essential. So that's what the whole first episode will be about. So for instance, one of the things in Asheville that people are really excited to come and see is our River Arts District. And that had about 80% of its buildings just completely submerged underwater. That was some of the footage that we sent over it for you guys. And so that community, thankfully, has bonded together. And I heard from Jeffrey Burroughs. He's the president of the River Arts District artists. And he spoke to me about this and he said, we were not going to allow those companies to

come in. They wanted to build a mini Vegas down here and just what that would have meant for our community because that is one of the heart and souls of our community. And so this is really, you know, to your point, this is how we hang on to those pieces and really understand what makes a community like with Malibu as you're discussing and and how we can really inspire and give permission to other communities to do this that they don't have to as we would say sell out to the corporations they can honestly ban together and be stronger together and figure out funding solutions for this amazing so if we want to be watching your series as it goes along

where where do we find that online uh so you can go to our website regenerating ashville or RegenAVL.com. And right now, we're in discussion about how we're going to distribute this. We have been in talk with maybe on larger networks, but we just want to make sure that we have 100% creative control. So as of now, just go to our website to be able to find it. All right. Sounds good.

Good luck with the creative control. You want to talk about those large moneyed interest that can really wipe out culture. I've dealt with them my whole career. If people want to donate right now to regenerate, Asheville where do they go oh here we go okay we got it we got this a bit Lee regenerating Asheville folks obviously plenty of help needed there we have such an active audience if you want to get involved and really make a difference helping this community build their community and rebuild a really really

beautiful town I love Asheville it's really sad to see it you know under duress but it's also amazing it's these types of tragedies that bring people together and it's fantastic that you're there documenting it, though. So thanks for sharing with us today. Yeah, thank you so much for allowing us to share, Bill. Absolutely. Take care of it. Keep us posted.

We will. Thanks. All right, talk to you soon. Well, like I said, we have a huge show coming up. If you want to know what's really going on with measles, that's just right around the corner with Dr. Richard Bartlett, a couple of families that find themselves in the middle of this outbreak. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report.

All right, Jeffrey, what do we have happening this? week. Well, Del, it's going to be a little bit of a repeat. Let's talk bird flu. Last week, you had Dr. Peter McCullough on, and your segment with him really has had millions of views over this past week, super informative, and we're still in the news cycle. Let's talk egg prices. This is CNN. Egg prices are finally following their reporting. They're saying they're going to go up again because of Eastern and Passover. But let's look at this chart here. We have eight prices. This is the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the USDA. They combine their information. And you can see a big drop in the in the egg prices were about $5.18 a dozen there on the far right. So that's kind of an

indicator of what's going on. If you just loop it all in, there's a mass calling. Can I bent for a second, Jeffrey? I just want to say this is one of those places where I really hate how disingenuous the news is. Like, you know, Trump said he was going to lower prices, but look at the prices of eggs. I mean, clearly calling and killing 120 million chickens in the United States of America, which was mostly done under the Biden administration, is going to make your eggs go up. Does that actually, you know, weigh in on our economy? I mean, I just find that, you know, again, it's just misinformation. Obviously, this is an issue in whether or not you believe we should be calling chickens or not, can we at least admit that that may not be directly tied to

our currency, but the fact that we just wiped out our entire, you know, supply of eggs and chickens across this country. I just wanted to vent there for a second because, I mean, I call it out on all sides, but that is some baloney the way they've been reporting on this. It's super important narrative control. Remember, COVID caused the economy to crash. No, it was the lockdowns. Right. Bird flu calling caused A price to go up. Yeah. They say just bird flu caused it to go up. No. So we have secretary, Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins, and she, just a couple weeks ago, she wrote a large extended piece in the Wall Street Journal. And she titled it, My Plan, to lower egg prices. And in there, you start going through biosecurity measures,

increased safety on farms. But then number three, it says USDA is exploring the use of vaccines and therapeutics for laying chickens. While vaccines aren't a standalone solution, we'll provide up to 100 million in research and development of vaccines and therapeutics to improve their efficacy and efficiency. But it also goes down to say USDA hasn't yet authorized the use of a vaccine. So it was hanging out there, but people are like, okay, 100 million dollars, looks like they're moving in that direction. And then at the same time, you have science.org produces this headline, pandemic now, prepared now for a potential H5N1 pandemic. And you go in here and the entire articles about a vaccine. It says, first, an effort to develop rapidly scalable pandemic

influenza vaccines building on models such as Operation Warp Speed. Now, this is for people we're talking about, should engage industry governments regulators in the scientific community with equitable access supported by a funded global framework. But then it says second, a comprehensive outreach and communications program supported by behavioral science should work to better understand and respond to concerns about vaccines and rebuild trust in public health. So let's get this vaccine out for people and let's find out why they're hesitant. Let's study that. So we're talking the vaccine for poultry, vaccine for people, and that's where it's going. And then you have the Zodis, this is a drug manufacturer, one of the largest manufacturers of

livestock vaccines and drugs. The CEO does the tour in the media and look like this. All right. Zouetta says it just got approval from the USDA for its avian flu vaccine for poultry. Joining us now for an exclusive interview. Zouetta's CEO, Kristen Peck, and she joins us on set. Welcome. It's great to have you here. Thank you.

It is great to be here, especially after such excellent results and the great news of our conditional licensure of our high path avian flu influenza vaccine for poultry. So I do actually want to start right there because we've seen what egg prices are doing in the midst of this bird flu. We've seen it spread to other types of animals. We've seen it spread even to some humans. We've seen it show up in the inflation data just this week. What does this vaccine mean and how quickly can it be deployed?

Sure. I mean, what we've seen is a significant impact to the poultry industry from high path avian fluenza across the globe, but certainly in the U.S., especially in the layer population, which is driving the increase in the egg prices. We've also seen it, as you know, in dairy cattle, and it's now in humans. So it's a very one health. We've been working with the administration and with Congress, and we're very excited today to get the license. for it in poultry, which we think will be a tool that we will help support the government as they, you know, deem necessary. So we'll continue to do whatever the government wants there.

So again, completely bypassing idea of the calling is what's driving up the prices of eggs. And as she says there, all the buzzwords, it's a very one health. And then they go, the bottom line there, takeaway, as she says, we're waiting for the, basically waiting for the government to give us direction. We have this great new approval, but we're not doing anything without government approval. That's essentially where we're at. So let's talk about the science here because vaccinating poultry, vaccinating large flocks of chickens, this is something that is not new. This is something that has been happening for a long time. In 2018, Quantum Magazine did a report on this, and they had disease ecologist Andrew Reed. He's an expert in this area.

Vaccines are pushing pathogens to evolve. And it says the problem with leaky vaccines, Reed says, Andrew Reed, is that they enable pathogens to replicate unchecked. while also protecting hosts from illness and death, thereby removing the costs associated with increased virulence. Over time, then, in a world of leaky vaccinations, a pathogen might evolve to become deadlier to unvaccinated hosts because it can reap the benefits of virulence without the cost. Much as Merrick's disease has slowly become more lethal and unvaccinated chickens, this virulence can also cause the vaccine to start failing by causing illness in vaccinated hosts. And we go further, ScienceD.Ory actually released a study,

looking at so that that's america disease that's kind of one example but let's look at actual avian influenza virus throughout the world because other countries are vaccinating their flocks here is the association of poultry vaccination and transmission and it goes on to say there are concerns that mass vaccination against h5 avian influenza virus could affect the molecular evolution of the virus for example after the introduction of mass vaccination against h5 n1aiv in china a notable increase in the evolutionary rate of H5N1AIV was observed during 2005 and 2010. So in five years, they had an increase. But then it goes on to say in North America, the evolutionary rate of that of H5N2 in Mexico was inferred to be higher between 93 and 2002 after a period of mass

vaccination in this region compared to the regular evolutionary rate of H5 AIV in the United States where vaccination was not used. And finally it says this avian influenza virus lineages that circulate in Egypt and Indonesia where vaccination against H5N1 is prevalent are characterized by higher evolutionary rates and a greater number of positively selected sites in the hemagglutinin gene compared to the countries where vaccination is absent such as Nigeria, Turkey, and Thailand. So that's a long-winded way to say it moves faster in vaccinated communities of chickens. And so we have the science. And wouldn't it be great if government was listening to anything? Here's RFK Jr.

All right. We've in fact said to USDA that they should consider maybe the possibility of letting it run through the flock so that we can identify the birds and preserve the birds that are immune to it. The vaccines do not, there's no indication that those vaccines actually provide sterilizing immunity. And all three of my health agencies, NIH, CDC, and FDA, the acting heads of those agencies, have all recommended against the use of the bird flu vaccine for that particular genotype, because the vaccine could actually promote antigenic shift, which means you're turning those birds

into mutant factories, and that could actually accelerate the jump to human beings. There's never in history that we know of. Earth flu's been around for 100 years. There's never been human to human transition. I mean, I watch a lot of the chatter online and in think tanks around this that are, you know, we've talked about it. Bobby is catching heat from both sides. You know, what good is he if he's not going to, you know, do anything for vaccinations?

And every week, Jeffrey, I mean, this is a massive, massive shift in the, the thinking inside of our health agencies. And I mean, if you've been watching this the way that we have and studied this, people don't realize, you know, what a disaster we just averted in vaccinating these chickens. Had anyone else been ahead of HHS, I guarantee you, that was the approach. It was going to be use a vaccine. We know nothing about that looks like it's failing, that all around the world is failing, is going to pressure this virus to get more virulent, more dangerous and potentially more capable of jumping from animals into human beings. And finally, finally, we have a clear thinking person that is so well educated on this,

despite what mainstream media tried to say about Robert Kennedy Jr. This is a guy like you and I that has read every study, every trial, knows the Merrick studies around the chickens. And my God, is it a breath of fresh air to hear actual science being discussed here and not an agenda pushed by a pharmaceutical industry that's just trying to make, you know, millions, if not billions of dollars off of a new useless or even dangerous vaccine. Yeah, and you can see it's influencing. I mean, the hammer's been put down now.

So that Wall Street Journal article by Secretary of Agriculture, Brooke Rollins, just a couple of weeks ago, this is the exclusive interview for a statement she released to Breitbart. She says, vaccines are off the table now. And it goes on to say this. This is at her actual quote, because she says, She had a numbered, a bunch of numbers of things you wanted to do. She said the fifth one that has perhaps taken a little bit more of the space than I assume was the vaccine piece, Rollin said. The idea was that initially before I rolled the plan out, the thought was maybe the vaccine is the solution here,

and that maybe we need to stick a couple hundred million chickens with vaccines so we could potentially move out of this crisis quicker. But what I learned is that looking at countries like Mexico that actually do vaccinate their egg layers is that those chickens have to be stuck. three or four or five times with those vaccine shots. And then 80 to 83% of those chickens still get the avian bird flu. So I pulled that off the table. And for a lot of reasons, we are not going to be moving off the table on mandatory vaccines now or frankly ever. So to your point, this is a big, big movement.

Absolutely huge. And once again, now what you're seeing is transparency in science. Not only is Bobby stating it, the head. of the USDA is finally telling you how the science works. These are leaking vaccines, which makes them more dangerous. Makes, as Bobby well put, turns them into incubators for future viruses that could be even worse. So it's an amazing story. And I love seeing this transition now into science.

It's great. As we're moving into this kind of health, we call the revolution, just of the transparency, our immune systems are under attack. This is a fact. And there's a lot of reasons for this. Last week, we talked about a study out of Yale. It was a preprint, but it showed that the spike protein was still circulating in people after the COVID shot, 709 days later. That shouldn't be happening. We had a lot of ideas of why that may be happening, but people's immune system were challenged because of that in this study. They were taking the heat of trying to just neutralize these spike proteins that keep coming. Well, that's one angle,

just one angle. Another angle, which is a far bigger angle, is obesity. A lot of people don't really link these two together. But let's talk about obesity for a second because this is a New York Post headline just recently, quoting a study. It says, most adults expected to be overweight or obese by 2050. And it says in this article, overweight and obese people under 25 increased from $198 million to $493 million between 1990 and 2021. This is worldwide. That number is forecasted to reach $746 million by 2050. The study noted that we're gaining weight faster than previous generations, and obesity is occurring earlier. So this is the actual study here from the Lancet, and it's a global forecast. And they looked at 1990 to 2021, so a relatively short window, then of course forecasting

to 2050. And the idea of that, we know that obesity, you know, there's an increased rate of diabetes, there's an increased rate of heart disease. But let's talk about the immune system, direct specific immediate effects on the immune system. There is science. This is one out of the Proceedings of a Nutritional Society, and it's titled, The Impact of Obesity on the Immune Response to Infection. And it says strong epidemiological evidence highlighting an association between obesity and infection is accumulating, and there are rodent models offering insight into potential mechanisms. An additional yet key consideration is how to best to prevent and manage infections in this at-risk population. Antimicrobial drugs and vaccines may not function as intended in obese

individuals. So science is finding this out on the back end. How many people are we vaccinating that these shots are not working as intended or giving antibiotics to that they're not working as intended because of weight problems or immune system signaling problems? But it goes on and talk about mice to these mice studies, these challenge studies. And this was one fascinating study. Diet-induced obesity and it impairs their immune system response to influenza virus infection. It says in males, in male diet-induced obese mice, a secondary H1N1 influence a challenge following a primary H3N2 infection led to a 25% mortality rate with no loss of lean controls, 25% increase in lung pathology, failure to regain weight, and a 10 to 100-fold higher lung

viral titers. And then it goes on, I mean, that is absolutely crazy, but it goes on to say memory CD8 plus T cells. These are the signaling. cells from obese mice had a greater than 50% reduction in interferon gamma. That's it's a key cytokine in the immune system. You don't want that to down 50% when stimulated with influenza pulse, denduric cells from lean mice. Thus, the function of the influenza-specific memory T cells is significantly reduced and ineffective in lungs of obese mice.

Wow. So you have literally the mucosal immunity of these mice affected. They can't launch this immune response to an influenza infection because they're, basically just their body is overweight. They're dealing with with that piece of it. So this is a huge shift in thinking and it really frames this conversation about weight loss in United States and the chronic disease epidemic and everything we're entering into. And you can see that the pharmaceutical companies are racing to get a front row seat at this table because we're talking culture change. We're talking environmental change. I'm changing the way we eat. And this is what the pharmaceutical

companies are doing just a couple of years ago. This is American Academy of Pediatrics. Consider drugs in surgery early for obesity and kids. These are new guidelines. They're saying these Ozympic and Wagovi, these injectable weight loss drugs. Consider those for kids because those should be the first line defense. And it just, you know, we do this every week now, but this week is no different. We have a whole new list of headlines here. Here's one. Ozympic patients losing key bodily functions as doctors warn of new terrifying side effect. Another one, weight loss jabs like Ozypic trigger panic attacks and worsened anxiety experts discover. They're discovering all this once it's out of the market, it's being used en masse.

They're finding out all of these issues. But the positive side to this is that at the state level, there's bills being passed. And this is in Texas where you are. Make Texas Healthy again passes the Senate. So we're talking about reshaping the environment of food. Two bills here, Senate Bill 25 and Senate Bill 314. Bill 25 is requiring daily activity, physical activity in schools. Fantastic.

It's putting on the food label of all the list of ingredients that are banned in other countries. It's also banning a list of dyes and chemicals and foods that are given to free lunch programs and things like that to kids. So both these bills move to the house now, which is super exciting. They were passed by basically 31 to 0 and 30 to 1, so almost unanimous, completely almost has one person voting against those. And then when we talk about SNAP benefits, these are the supplemental nutritional assistant program,

there is a growing movement within the United States to get the chemicals and the terrible food, the sugary food out of that, high-fructose corn syrup, to get that away from the SNAP benefits. And right now, this is Newsweek, 10 states are challenging this rule, so they're asking the USDA to change this. One of those states is Texas.

And in order to do this, they have They have to get a bill, move the bill through hearings, and then once that bill gets signed, then the bill can formally ask the USDA to take this off. So Texas bill 379, which is the bill that's trying to prohibit the use of SNAP benefits for purchasing this junk food. This is basically for people that want to hear SNAP. This is like what we used to call food stamps. What they're saying, these bills are saying, food stamps can't be spent on like potato chips,

sugar product, cookies, cakes, and soda, it has to be on good food, but takes out those sugar foods, which makes perfect sense, you know. You're trying to get people up and working and healthy so that they can get back and find a job and all of those great things, and instead we're making them sicker and sicker,

makes perfect sense. Right, you don't want those empty calories that we know lead to gaining weight, which lead to a bunch of issues. And so in Texas, SB, one of the bills there, SB 379, there was an interesting person that showed up to testify against the bill. Take a listen. All right.

My name is Alec Puente, and I'm the Director of Government Relations for the American Heart Association. I'm here to testify today in opposition to Senate Bill 379. The American Heart Association shares the goal of improving the health of Texans, and we're encouraged by this committee's focus on the links between nutrition and health. While improving Texans diet is a shared goal, the Heart Association is concerned about potential impacts of this bill on participation and population health. Imposing nutritional restrictions will interfere with the primary function of SNAP, reducing hunger, without reducing root causes of chronic disease. I often say that I can never be surprised in this building, but for the American

Heart Association to be against this bill, that might be the surprise of the session so far. I would encourage you to look at what it restricts. I don't know if you else bored about it all. I'm that. I mean, this is a perfect example of the cesspool of corporate, you know, capture of the American Heart Association. We've talked about the Cancer Association, all of these, you know, doing the bidding for soda companies to keep sugar products in SNAP. They sent someone from the American Heart Association to Texas. Make sure you don't let them make Texans healthy again. It's outrageous. about root cause, but not that way.

Right. Let's jump over to some more breaking news here. So just this morning, I'm preparing the segment, and it was coming in hot and heavy. So we have this headline here, Trump's FDA and NIH Picks Clear Committee, teeing up final Senate confirmation. This is, of course, Dr. J. Bayacharya, 12 to 11 vote. He's weaked by, and then Marty McCari, Dr. Martin McCari, 14 to 9 vote. according to the reports, this should be wrapped up in a couple of days. It should be a breeze right through there and out to their full nomination and acceptance.

Those are great hearings, by the way. If you haven't watched them, definitely go to YouTube and just watch just how brilliant these two men are when they answer these questions. You watch them try to back them into corners. And we really, these are just good people, right? You had Jay Batacharya, you know, the Great Barrington Declaration, which we celebrated. We were one of the first news organizations to celebrate the work that he did saying, do not lock this country down, open up the schools. Imagine this guy's about to be the head of the NIH.

And Dr. Marty McAry has also been very outspoken when he needed to be about things. They all have something to learn. I'm not saying they're perfect. But they are really great, open-minded scientists and doctors, and those hearings were fantastic to watch. And with Bata Chari, you literally took the job of the guy who was trying to counsel him, Francis Collins. That was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, right that. So tomorrow we have Dr. Mehmet Oz.

He is going to, this is tomorrow Friday. That's two, in the Dirkston Senate office building, room 215, if anybody wants to go to that. This is for the nomination of the administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid service, a CMS. So that is tomorrow. And then a piece of disappointing news for a lot of our viewers, we have Dr. David Weldon.

He was supposed to be, we actually rep for our show he was supposed to have his hearing for the head of the CDC. This is the headline here. White House withdraws David Weldon's nomination to be Trump's CDC director's sources say. Weldon actually released kind of his version of this and he said he and Kennedy both received a call last night about 12 hours before this hearing and were told that Susan Collins, Republican in Maine and then of course one other Republican were having thoughts and consider making this, you know, because it's basically 12 Republicans, 11 Democrats, so that would have put it over. Yeah, Dr. Cassidy, I think, who's been, you know, Bobby just squeaked by.

He was very hard also in the hearings of Macquarie and Badacharya. He's talked about the fact that he was a pediatrician. He's really focused on vaccinations. We've covered a lot of the interaction with Robert Kennedy Jr. in him and Rand Paul, super interesting. Interaction, but it just shows you, right? There's no done deal in this space. You still have to get nominated. I mean, you still have to, you know, get confirmed even after you're nominated.

Really unfortunate for Dave Weldon. This is someone I've stood on stages with. Just a powerful advocate for, I mean, for, you know, transparency in science, but even more so, one of those few politicians that throughout the years was listening to the mothers and the parents that were describing vaccine injury. Some of the most important hearings ever happened in government happened with Dave Weldon, but, you know, I saw the writing on the wall when, you know, the article dropped last week that the CDC wants to do an investigation of vaccines and autism. I didn't talk to

Bobby, but I'm pretty sure that that came from the inside. It was, those are hit pieces, masked as, you know, celebrations of Bobby. I think it was really designed to scare Cassidy and those, and obviously Dave Weldon isn't going to make it. I do want to quickly say, though, for people. I have met Dr. Mehmet Oz spent some time with him. This is very, very talented. We think of him as a television host with a successful medical talk show. In fact, he was our competition when I was a producer on the daytime talks with the doctors. But I was jealous. Dr. Oz was always covering more functional medicine, doctor, scientist, nutritionists, than we were very open-minded. And one of the world's greatest heart surgeons, people don't realize

that he is invented, you know, the clip that's used to fix one part of the heart, like a super brilliant guy, I hope he goes gliding through because he's got great ideas and what to do with CMS. So again, you know, Bobby's trying to get his team around him, but looks like he lost one today. Yeah, and you know, there's a lot of people speculating on what actually happened, but with Weldon, it's very interesting because he has, he does have this history. And this was a withdraw of the nomination, not a rejection. So for some reason, they didn't even want him to go in there and testify and face questioning.

So that's very rare. There's only, I think, 18 or 19 withdraws throughout the entire history of the country when it comes to these cabinet appointees. So very, very interesting. But this is, let's look back in 2002. For people don't know who Dr. David Welton is, this is him in 2002.

Literally, we're talking over 20 years ago. Take a listen. The thing that I continue to find extremely disturbing is the fact that the CDC still does not allow researchers access to the vaccine safety data. If everything was so objective and any scientist at all can look at this stuff, it would be one thing, but they continue to deny people access to this information. And until we get a free and open dialogue within the scientific community, I don't think, for one, I will ever be satisfied that there isn't some data suggesting that some children may have serious side effects from some of these vaccines that is really going undetected, unnoticed, and yes, it may actually cause autism. There is, may actually not allowed to even, you know, glance in that direction, but those were the Dan Burton hearing super important.

for those people. This is a sad day, honestly, for parents of autistic children, because this guy was a real hero, a real champion, but obviously videos like this, and having had stood for this cause, I think when it comes to Senator Cassie and a few that are really on the fence there, ends up delivering a death blow. And he talked about it in his, I think it was, did he tweet it out or the statement that he made that they were calling him an anti-vaxor inside of these meetings, even though he was a pediatrician that is still giving vaccines. as far as I know. So anyway, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, let's, well, let's move on to, we'll finish it off with some good news. Let's move on to Ron DeSantis, Governor of Florida, and he recently came out with his wife, First Lady, and they made a handful of statements, but this is one of the headlines that was generated from that. DeSantis calls for legislation to permanently ban MRI vaccine mandates, add vaccination status protections. He's calling for basically informed consent medical freedom, but his wife, Casey DeSantis is calling it, calling the CDC an utter disgrace for keeping the CDC vaccine on its recommended list for children. So they're really

forcing this. And you see this on a lot of states. I think this is one of the strongest move so far is really to ban this and to move forward. And they're also looking at taking fluoride out of the water as well following Utah's lead. So a lot of good things happening at the state level, even though at the federal level, it's still kind of touch and go. We're going to be watching Dr. Oz as well tomorrow. So fingers crossed for that. Absolutely. Jeffrey. great reporting, so important. And as always, we've got to keep the pressure on, show the, you know, calling the balls and strikes, as they say, no one does it better. Thank you, Jeffrey. All right, thank you.

All right. Thank you. All right. Well, you know, it's wild to be reporting on the news right now because, you know, we got skin in the game, right? We've got players of our own that are inside the system. Are they working for us? Are they working against us? Are they getting their whole team? all of those things are so interesting. This is the work that we do, right? We're always looking to find the truth. We're going to bring pressure wherever we can. And we don't just say, hey, look, it looks like the world is shifting our way.

Like, for instance, if Facebook says, we're not going to censor anymore. Open, you know, like freedom of speech is back. It's real. It's happening. Well, that doesn't make us go to sleep. And it didn't make our legal team go to sleep. This is our legal update. Take a look.

Zuckerberg came out. and effectively admitted that Facebook was wrong and engaged in wrongful conduct when it censored the type of speech one would expect Americans to engage in when they challenge their government and government policies and government restrictions. I want to talk about something important today because it's time to get back to our roots around free expression on Facebook and Instagram. Governments and legacy media have pushed to censor more and more. A lot of this is clearly political, and we've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes

and too much censorship. So we're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies, and restoring free expression on our platforms. Facebook has recently actually censored an ICANN post yet again. And this time, ironically, it censored an ICAN post about Facebook censorship.

You see, on behalf of ICANN, we foiled the CDC to get a copy of an email in which it shows how Facebook reached out to the CDC and asked the CDC to add language to its website so that Facebook could then use that language to take down an ICAN post an incredible email in and of itself even more incredible the Facebook employee writes how we should kind of take this off of the email chain like we should have a phone call because what we're gonna really talk about in detail could be

subject to public disclosure. last when we got the part that they did engage in an email about and we disclosed it and we put out a legal update and it was put out on Facebook, Facebook then censored the Facebook post that all it did was literally just made public Facebook's own email in which it engaged with the CDC and censorship. So much for Zuckerberg's promise to the public that it no longer engaged in censorship. In fact, I wonder when this video gets put up on Facebook, whether Facebook will censor this video as well. I wonder how this episode is going to do on Facebook. We'll be watching all of it as always.

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This is what it looks like in the news. The measles outbreak is showing no signs of slowing down. The CDC reported more than 220 measles cases across 12 states. 23 people have been hospitalized in Texas. Most of the cases are in unvaccinated people. It is the largest outbreak of this highly contagious disease that the state, has seen in decades. The Texas Department of State Health Services says a school-aged child has died.

The department says the child was not vaccinated and was hospitalized in Lubbock last week and tested positive for measles. A New Mexico adult who tested positive for measles has died, marking a second death related to the growing outbreak in the US. The person did not receive medical care and was not vaccinated. Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that they are issuing a travel alert regarding the measles outbreak in Texas. and New Mexico. They say that travelers want to be cautious ahead of the spring and summer travel

season. The growing measles outbreak, leading officials to revise their vaccine recommendations. Their new recommendations include this, an early dose of the MMR vaccine for infants starting at six months to 11 months. That's earlier. And a second dose for adults who have only received one. The only thing we can really do to slow this epidemic right now is to encourage people to get their MMR vaccine. For the last several weeks, we've been covering this measles outbreak in Texas. It's a huge story in this country, especially in light of the fact that Robert Kennedy Jr. is now HHS secretary and, of course, all the types of accusations and innuendo that comes

with that. But up until this point, we've been covering it, you know, based on the same headlines you're seeing and the same news stories that we just watched. But as fate would have it, one of our favorite doctors in the world, Dr. Richard Bartlett, finds himself right in the middle of this outbreak in Texas. And it is my honor and pleasure to be joined by him right now. Dr. Bartlett, thank you so much for joining us. Take me back.

Let me just get some of the basics out of the way. There's all sorts of conjecture. We've avoided sort of making any judgment. I don't know how to judge the situation, but where just when we think of Texas, where in Texas is this happening? Can you describe so why you're one of the doctors treating there? It's in my neighborhood, Del. It's in West Texas. In Gaines County, that's Seminole. Texas is the one town in the county, the main town. And I live in Midland. I do ER work in the area. Okay. And so I actually drive through Seminole every week. Okay.

and have friends in Seminole. There's a large Mennonite community there. Okay. And some of them are friends of mine because we're neighbors. Yeah. And some of them are patients of a friend of mine, Dr. Ben Edwards. Okay. And when this measles outbreak began, he started to visit them and help them and render aid.

And gave me the report, called me while I was in the emergency room and told me, hey, I had a large number of them, of the people that have measles are coughing, coughing, coughing fits, short of breath, and sometimes hypoxic, low oxygen, which can be dangerous. And he said, I sent some prescription of Budescineineine nebulizer treatments, and it was a game changer. He says it was miraculous. Really? That they did the breathing treatments, and the breathing treatment, the cough stopped in the middle of the night, and the shortness of breath was gone. Their oxygen levels came up, and so he wanted me to help. And so the next day, I drove there and we together.

Let me just stop it right there because I find that fasting in some ways. You know, God works in mysterious ways, I suppose. But you were the person like the doctor in the middle of the COVID pandemic that started prescribing predesinide. Say that this is a steroid that works for exactly this type of issue in the lungs. We started recommending it. I had it for my family. Everyone we knew as a part of the treatment. So ironically, we find ourselves in totally different illness now.

And I think I think of measles as a rash, like a skin issue, but is it natural for to have an upper respiratory? Right. And so, you know, 34 years of practicing medicine never treated a case or saw a case of measles in my career. Wow. And so, yes, measles is a highly contagious respiratory disease. That's how it spread.

And so you think of the rash, I thought of the rash, you look at the text, but you look at the textbooks, you think of the rash, but one in 20 statistically will end up with bacterial pneumonia, secondary bacterial pneumonia. Which was similar to the problem with coronavirus, right? It wasn't the coronavirus, it was the bacterial pneumonia that was left over. Yeah, the dangerous things about measles are not the rash. That's sensational, it gets your attention, but the danger is bacterial pneumonia or encephalitis inflammation of the brain.

Those are the two rare risk factors, but pneumonia is most likely. the most common problem. And so we were finding when I went to help him the next day, 108 patients that day with measles. And here's something interesting, Del. That's a huge. How many numbers? That sounds like if there's one day, it was almost everybody. I'm not getting as big a number. No, the word got out. They're highly connected this community. And so they got the word out, beat the drums, smoke signals, and they all came in from everywhere. Okay. And so in that day, we saw the lion's share of the patients. and we saw the rash, but what stood out to me was the coughing, the shortness of breath.

And that actually is the most dangerous thing, and that's something we can do something about that Ben Edwards uncovered. Yeah. And so the encephalitis rare, but that's an inflammatory problem, and the inflammatory chemicals are released from the lung lining. We heard about cytokines, cytokines storms being really. released during COVID. And this is parallel. It felt just like COVID did, where you saw people that were having a highly contagious respiratory virus, and some of them were having coughing

fits that wouldn't stop and shortens a breath. And so, you know, you see on the news that the medical experts are saying there's no treatment for it, well, they get a high fever as well with measles. You should give Tylenol if it's not contradicated, and you should control the fever. Because another complication with measles is febrile seizures. some of the kids have had that. We're seeing 106 fever, 106 degree fever. But Tylenol is a good tool, and just to say you can't treat it is not acceptable. I'm going to just say I don't give Tylenol to my kids

because it strips glutathione out of the body, which I want in my children fighting, you know, exactly some of the toxic elements inside of it. So I'm just going to put that out there. Sure. I know that that's a product to use. Some people will be saying, And I'm not a doctor. I'm not telling anyone what to do.

I will tell you I don't have any Tylenol in our house. I've heard that. And so I've heard that argument. And so I respect that. But the bottom line is you've got to control the fever, however you want to control it. Whether, you know, IV fluids will lower the temperature, being in tap water, being in lukewarm water, not cold water. That'll bring the temperature down. Okay.

There's lots of ways you can do that. There are some supplements that are herbal supplements that lower temperature. fever, but the, and Motrin will, but the bottom line is you've got to control the fever, because if you don't have the fever, you can't have feverial seizures. Right. And that can be dangerous. Okay. And a lot of these people that are suffering in this outbreak live in rural areas.

They're very disconnected from a hospital. It would take forever for an ambulance to find them. Yeah. And so you want to be, you have to be actually proactive as a parent. And they are being very diligent parents. Okay. I can tell you that. But this started in Seminole and we know that there was an outbreak in Mexico and Canada before

there was in Mexico. We know that measles outbreaks happen. Every year in the United States, there are measles cases. They haven't disappeared from the planet. It's endemic in many places. And most of the kids are weathering this just fine. They're getting a rash. They're getting a fever.

They're getting a cough. They're not getting short of breath and they're recovering. But some are having trouble. And that's why this interview is so important. I appreciate you allowing me to speak with you because there are some tools that can protect those kids that are at increased risk. And we don't know who they are. Some of them have underlying health conditions, but some of the people that are having trouble are healthy kids before they get measles. And so, for instance, what we learned with COVID, that Budescine, an inhaled stairway that's been out for 35 years,

knocks the cytokine levels to zero every time you do a nebulizer treatment. Even if you're on the ventilator in the ICU, when they drew blood in the Saudi Journal of anesthesia in 2017, they published that the cytokine levels go to zero. And so this is a powerful... Describe what a cytokine level. What does that mean to someone that doesn't know what we're talking about? So there's inflammatory chemicals that are involved in acute respiratory viral infection that are released from the cells that are injured. and those would be interleukin 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11, 13, 15. Tumor necrosis factor, which is what causes the fever.

Cyclooxygenase, which is what ibuprofen and Motrin, Advil, Aleve, all just drop that. They just interfere with that one inflammatory chemical. Tylenol, or anything that lowers the fever, affects just the tumor necrosis factor. but we have dozens of inflammatory chemicals that are released from the respiratory lining into the bloodstream that go total body, and cause the body aches, the fever, the chills. For some kids, decreased appetite, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, they're having all these symptoms. And so some of the kids with a fever, you're at risk of getting dehydrated. But if you're decreased appetite from the cytokines, that is a double whammy.

And so we're seeing kids that are dehydrated, so we're pushing the fluids. And so to say there's nothing we can do is bad medicine that you have to give supportive care. The foundation of good medicine for the last 50 years in the United States is we give supportive care for an acute viral illness, whether it's a GI symptoms or whether it's respiratory symptoms. If they're low in oxygen, you treat that. If they're having a fever, you take care of that. If they're dehydrated, you take care of that. It seems like common sense. This is where common sense left.

you know, left the station. Five years ago it did. During COVID, where it was just like we have no early treatment. And let's take the license away from any doctor that prescribes anything early on, like Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine. You did all right with BDastinide and some of the things that, you know, you were talking about. But let me just, because I want to be accurate. And I know, like, I surprise my audience sometimes that I really don't choose sides on this.

I just want accurate information. I've been talking about the death rate of measles, ultimately, that we have one death here in Texas. I'm hearing a rumor of a second one. I'll ask you about that in a minute, but that's an anomaly. We haven't had a death in 20 years from measles. I've said it used to be a Brady Bunch episode. At that point, it was 1 in 10,000 that were infected would die. Your boots on the ground, I'm not.

In the middle of this, do you feel like this is a 1 in 10,000? I was in debt this year. Do you feel like you're looking at something a little bit more serious? We would have more deaths if we didn't intervene. Really? Yes. Because one child at home, the pulse oxymeter read 70% oxygen saturation. Wow.

And then she bundled them in a blanket and brought them in for help. And so they had an oxygen concentrator available, gave supplemental oxygen, gave the nebulizer treatments of eudescide, turned it around real quick. in a day. But when you're on a, when your oxygen saturation is 70% no matter how old you are, you're in danger. Okay. And so this is different than anything that I've ever read in the textbooks still. Really? Yeah, I was totally shocked. Yes, we normally think of a fever, cough, and this unusual morbilliform rash, but I'd never seen anybody this hypoxic for, I never would have thought I would have seen that with measles. And so, yeah, so I think that.

that this is different than what my father endured when he was a child. He got measles and made it just fine. And he's 87 years old still doing surgery, so apparently it didn't affect him. And so this can be very dangerous for some people. I just keep thinking about it. And it just brings up this thought. I think we're all saying now, it just feels like every illness that we used to get you'd kick it in a day or two you're fine like it's harder to get through illnesses everything feels stronger I don't and and I guess my question is do you think it's that somehow have we messed with our immune systems more like our immune system more depleted than they've ever been for I mean when you look at what Robert Kenny Jr.'s talking about the amount of toxins

in our environment maybe that's contributing but you know the coronavirus was a supposed to be a mild Well, of course, we've discovered that came from a lab. Are they typing this measles, by the way? Yes, I understand they've done genomic testing. Okay. And a large, almost all of it that they're testing is wild type. Now, I have a concern that there have been cases, and I've heard this from government officials that are friends, that there have been patients who had the rash, had measles.

And then on checking their history, they recently received the vaccine. And so it was clearly related to the vaccine. And those are dropped from the numbers. Okay. And so how many is it? I don't know. Initially, it was one out of four in the city that is about 200,000 the mayor talked to me about. So that's a 25% getting dropped.

They were just from me. They were getting it from the vaccination program. itself. That one was vaccine related. Okay. So the measles, there's a wild measles in nature, and then there's actually a live measles that is in the vaccine. And so you have the potential of having the exact same clinical picture of the same rash, of the same risk of encephalitis, inflammation of the brain, of the same risk of pneumonia. And also on the package inserted, from the FDA, it says that you can get transverse mild. where the spinal cord is damaged.

I have treated one case of that that was the consequence of the COVID shot. Okay. And so there is a risk with measles infections, whether it's from the vaccine or wild. And where do I get that information from the FDA itself? Yeah. And so I'm telling patients and parents, go look at the MMR2 package insert, look at the risk and the benefits, and you make the decision. The parents should be making the decision,

but they deserve to know the information before they make a decision. And one of the things that really is glaring to me, Dell, is that the FDA, looking at the safety and efficacy data at the time, whoever looked at it in the FDA, decided that this was something they would recommend at a year old, at 12 months or older. Yeah.

Pediatricians right now throughout Texas are recommending this strongly. to children that are six months old. I don't have any explanation why you would do that. When you have the FDA package insert clearly stating it's for 12 months and older. Right. There is a CDC website that says that if you're going to do international travel, you can give it younger. But this is not international travel.

This is in the middle of Texas, middle of West Texas. And so that doesn't compute, in my opinion. And so, you know, you got developmental stages with children, and so we don't know if they're at increased risk of a complication at six months that they wouldn't be at a year. Well, I happen to have looked at studies I know exist that show that at six months or younger, that they don't actually get the right immune response. And they find that they can't get to the same level of immunity if they start at that early, no matter how many of some. subsequent vaccines, it seems to prime the immune system incorrectly. There's studies now, is that across the board? I'm just saying there are studies that show that that has been an issue.

And as you've pointed out, we've known for years, really, you should wait until one year old. And there's also a lot of science showing that a child below one year's age has almost no immune memory, that it's, it's almost futile to be delivering vaccines to children that young. But that's another story. And again, getting to Robert Kennedy Jr., all things that should be studied. You know, I mean, I think like right now there's like this panic. Oh, my God, Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to investigate vaccines. Like, good.

Finally, can we see what these products are doing and what they aren't doing? Things evolved. The viruses and bacteria that we're treating have evolved, which, you know. But, you know, looking at this, Robert Kennedy Jr.'s caught heat from both sides. He's now recommending things like vitamin A. Make sure that you're not malnourished, that you're taking, you have a healthy diet and that you're getting plenty of vitamins. But also has recommended to, you know, saying that the measles vaccine does contribute to community immunity. So he's catching it from all sides.

Have you interacted with Robert Kennedy Jr.? I have in the middle of this? I have. shockingly, you know, practicing for 34 years, going through the COVID five years of crazy. Yeah. Where we really had people that were in a death store. There was a crisis worldwide. But I have never seen the response that RFK is doing, how he is personally invested,

personally involved, checking front line, boots on the ground, checking with families, talking to families, you've never seen this before in our federal health care system. It's certainly not in my career. And so fortunately, RFK is in charge and actually very connected and very, very involved in the care. He wants to know moment by moment what's happening, taking it very personal, as you should. Yeah. But we've never seen this before. This kind of response is unprecedented.

So did you tell them, by the way, what is your sort of? of official recommendations. You said you've treated hundreds of patients now. What are you seeing that's working? And you are a doctor. I'm not. So I think you're allowed to state, you know, how you're treating it. Well, fever control has to happen. However, you're going to do it. And also the respiratory problem is the thing that is putting people in the hospital. And so I actually went to the pediatric ICU to see two friends of mine as friend, as a friend, as a a friend of the family, the kids were in the ICU because they were short of breath and requiring supplemental oxygen. That was what put them in the ICU. One of them was air flighted

from Hobbs on a helicopter. Okay. That day, that serious a situation. And so what we recommended to the ICU doctor was we talked about the evidence with what we just learned during COVID. The Stoic trial, the principal trial from Oxford University showing that an inhaled steroid that's very benign actually makes a big difference. And according to Oxford, 90% of the people would not have come close to a hospital with COVID if they were treated early with Budescide. And so we discussed that with him and said, you know, the family's interested in Budescine nebulizer treatments. And one of those patients just bounced out of the hospital the next day. life flighted on helicopter from one state to the other, to the ICU, and then going straight from the ICU home shortly after the Budescine nebulizer treatments were started.

It's not a one-off. We're seeing the results across the board because this is acute, viral respiratory infection, which is causing the release of the cytokines. It's exactly what Budescineid would help with. And so Budescineide nebulizer treatments, Budescineid is a medicine that as a nose spray used to be prescription only. Okay. Now it's over the counter.

And so there is a talk about making the Budescine for nebulizer treatments over the counter, which makes sense. It's safer than Tylenol, as you pointed out. Tylenol has risk of death by liver toxicity even. Right. And so that is one tool. So if someone wants to get BDESAine, or like they're having, do they have to go their doctor then and get a prescription of BDecision? It's right now, unfortunately, prescription only.

Okay. And so go to your primary care doctor, or you can go to a telemedicine service like MyFreedoctor.com. Okay. Or you can go to Budescineidworks.com. There's a network of doctors there. Right. But, you know, there's lots of resources now for prescriptions. Can you stock up on something like that when you're not, you know,

having these will just say, I want this around, should I run into one of these modern illnesses that seem to all be attacking the lungs on some level? When you look at what the WHO has listed as potential future pandemic outbreaks, a lot of them are acute viral respiratory infections. And so this would be a tool to have in the toolbox that's very benign. And so you talk to your doctor and make your decision, but I think so. I have it in my house and who would have thought we'd run into measles. I wasn't expecting that in my neighborhood, West Texas.

So another tool besides controlling temperature antibiotics, there are times where if someone's going to have knee surgery, heart surgery, they don't have an infection, Dell, but we'll give IV antibiotics. And so there's this argument, we don't want to cause people to become, we don't want to cause a worldwide problem with facts. vaccines no longer being effective, so we're not going to treat you. That kind of mindset is bizarre because if someone's going to, someone who's going to have knee surgery doesn't have an infection, but we give that because they're at increased risk of getting an infection. With this measles outbreak, one thing I learned is that these kids that have these coughing

fists that are short of breath that are acutely ill with a fever are at high risk of getting pneumonia. Those are the ones that are most likely to get pneumonia, one in 20 statistically well. So you sort of proactively give an antibiotic just so it doesn't flip over. Yes. You were doing that during COVID too. That was part of the, a lot of people were actually, right? The even the ivermectin or hydroxychloricloric acidide, but erythromyricin.

Yeah. And so, you know, we we saw with COVID eventually Northwestern University published using AI that they had decided looking at the stats that most people died. with COVID from secondary bacterial pneumonia. Right. Remember we covered that? From the COVID necessarily, but from the secondary bacterial infection. Interesting. And so that was supportive for another acute viral, dangerous respiratory illness.

And COVID absolutely is more deadly than measles. But we're seeing an unusual pattern here with shortness of breath and hypoxia for some patients with measles. with measles. And so supportive oxygen, supplemental oxygen is keeping some people out of the hospital if they can get some temporary oxygen support. And another thing that helps with oxygenation that I found during COVID that also decreases inflammation and it makes nitric oxide, which helps with circulation to the heart, the brain, the tissues, and helps empty the stomach is this product called hydro shot. Okay. from H2bev.com is the only place you can get it.

And so it's over the counter instead of trying to. Just go online and order that like a soda. Just order it online. And so I have patients that tell me, well, I'll just give me a, I'll start making my hydrogen water at home. I'm like, if you want to go ahead and reinvent the wheel, go ahead. But if someone's really sick, this is helping the kids right now with measles.

I would not have expected that. Wow. A lot of the kids, they're nauseated, they're vomiting, they're dehydrated, they've got to get some fluids going. They're one-year-old and trying to get a one-year-old, some fluid down a one-year-old that is not, that's already nauseated and bloated and their stomachs slowed down. This is a game changer. Okay. And we're seeing that right now. So Clarithromycin is the antibiotic I choose in this situation when it's a respiratory infection because it covers like Zipak, azithromycin, it covers the atypical bacteria, which are the ones that.

It caused walking pneumonia like mycoplasma or legionella pneumonia, legionnaires disease, or chlamydia pneumonia. Penicillins and cephalosporns won't touch that. And so someone could have a walking pneumonia, and if they're given penicillin, IV penicillin in the hospital, they'll die. All right. But if they get this antibiotic just as a syrup for kids or a pill, it covers it. And it also covers strep pneumonia, the encapsulated classic pneumonia that can cause of high fever chills and pneumonia.

So it covers everything that's at risk in that area. And so that's the antibiotic we're using. And so there's things you can do. Yeah. There are patients that I have heard with measles. They test positive. They're sick. And they're sent home saying there's nothing we can do.

That's not acceptable. If they're sick enough to go to an ER, then you do supportive care. The Hippocratic oath has two parts. first alleviate human suffering. That's still appropriate. And then do no harm. Right. And they're both important.

Is there a bit of an attitude, though? I mean, I don't know. It feels like there's, I think about, you know, Jimmy Kimmel during COVID said, you know, unvaccinated, having a heart attack or whatever, you know, come on in. I mean, you know, good luck, weasy. If you're vaccinated, fine, come on into the hospital. Is there that kind of prejudice going on right now? Because I know a lot of people, it's been a lot of conjecture about why this child may or may not have died.

I'm sure the doctors did the best they could. But is there, you know, are they, I mean, part of me thinks that you have all these doctors that may be back during Brady Bunch era, be like, oh, yeah, some measles. Come on in. Let's get them some vitamin A. Let's get them some oxygen, get some fluids going. But now they're under this impression that it's like the end of the world. It's like Ebola just came in the hospital. I'm not even sure doctors, it's their fault.

They're told this is a deadly disease and it's going to sweep across the hospital. Do we need a re-education of modern doctors to say, hey, we weren't, you know, as luck would have it, the vaccine program did not eradicate measles the way we planned. So you're going to have to learn how to handle this once in a while and maybe just educate them on. Absolutely. And so let's, one thing I've noticed is that. the experts, quote unquote experts, have never seen measles or treated measles. Wow.

That's significant. Just let that soak in for a second. And yes, so there is absolutely need for reeducation. A lot of the doctors are hearing the same message over and over. Just what you said, that this is a highly contagious, deadly disease. We need to be afraid. There's nothing you can do. There are doctors giving excellent care in Seminole in their local hospital.

Okay. And doctors that are in primary care in West Texas taking care of this. Initially that family, this is a peculiar situation. This Minnanite community, they speak. Well, you know what? While we're on it, I think we have Marianne, who's the mother of the family of the child, I think, that was Medevac in, can join us now. So why don't we just talk to Marianne?

Marianne, I want to thank you for joining us. We're talking about, obviously, your family was in the middle of this measles outbreak, and your child had to be flown into the hospital. Is that correct? That's correct, yes. So just tell me what the experience was for your family. How many children do you have and how many of them caught the measles? Well, we have four children, and they actually all got the measles at different times.

But they all pulled through fine with the measles. I felt like we had under control. with some natural supplements. But then my last daughter, about two days after she, the measles started going away, she started having some respiratory issues. And that's why we took her to the doctor. And then they flew us to Lubbock to the hospital over there.

Because of her respiratory issues, she was having issues with oxygen. Okay. That must have been very stressful, I would imagine. It was, four years old. And, yeah, it was hard for me and my husband both being over there. and hoping everything would be okay. But yeah, it took some time.

I know Dr. Barlett came in and we are so thankful. We thank God for him that he stepped in and helped us. It was amazing. And so Dr. Bartley, you showed up, child's brought in. First of all, you hear sometimes hospitals push back,

letting other doctors in or a treatment of eudescine. How did you go about getting that approved? Well, I'm a friend of the family, so the father and me walked into the hospital, he escorted me into the ICU, into the room. And so we were in the ICU room visiting, and the doctor came in.

And while he was there, we talked about Boudasnide and the wishes of the family to give it a try. Okay. And he, to his credit, said, let's do this, and he ordered it. Great. And so he ordered it at the Lubbock, Texas ICU, and we saw amazing results really quick, fortunately.

How quickly did your child turn around after getting the Budescinaide? Well, he came that morning. They did the Budescine that morning and that evening. We started noticing a difference. The next morning they did it again, and then by 3.30 that afternoon, we got to go home. Oh, wow. That's it. All right, so I guess we have some before and after images.

Oh, poor little sweetie. In one day went from that. that to which which gets that point dr bart like people ask like what about temperatures or you know i was i just had a lawrence polevsky a pediatrician he said temperature is not as important as are they delirious are they you know having trouble focusing lethargic things like that you can clearly just tell from that photo that that little girl is very sick she was very sick yeah and so she was not eating not drinking uh not moving just whimpering and and not getting better. Yeah. She was on supplemental oxygen and she was trapped on supplemental oxygen

in bed with IVs, not being able to move, which is really important. I think Marianne, you noticed that once she got the Budesonide and she perked up and started eating, that she started moving around and actually that's where she really, it helped with her lungs. It helps the lungs to take big breasts and move. Yeah, she started walking around and we were like, whoa, we haven't seen this yet. She wasn't moving around. She didn't want to eat nothing. She became a totally different child. She started acting like herself again. Did you or your husband contract the measles during this outbreak? So I got a light case of it. The day she went into the hospital, I had a little bit on my face, a little bit on my neck. I am vaccinated, but yes, I did get a light case of it. Not a lot.

It lasted about three days, but yeah. Okay. And is your husband vaccinated also? Yes, he is. But your children are not vaccinated? No, they're not. Now is that, I mean, if you don't have to answer, is that a religious belief or why did you make that choice with your own children? No, I would say my doctor, he taught us about the vaccines, and that's when we decided not to vaccinate our children because of the side effects of vaccines. Okay, and so all your kids have gotten through, everyone's doing fine. In your community, and we're hearing this is really sort of, there's a very specific, area to this outbreak. Do you have friends and other family members that are having their families

catch the measles right now? Definitely. I have nephews, nieces. Some of them would have actually ended up in the hospital if they hadn't followed Dr. Bartlett's protocol with the nubilizer and all that. They were very sick. They're doing okay now, but they went and seen, they've been following what Dr. Bartlett said with the Budesonite and they're doing fine now. But they weren't doing very good either. interesting. So Dr. Bartley, we hear it's incredibly infectious. When I went to the Hasidic Jewish community during the Rockland County outbreak a few years ago, they were having measles parties and trying to catch it. And it was actually surprisingly difficult. A lot of them had difficulty

getting their family. I remember talking to them. It was not a big story that anyone told. But this sounds like it's pretty darn contagious. It is pretty contagious. And it's also more virulent. And so So that's different than what I have read about with the outbreaks in the past, not treating those cases, not seeing those patients. But once someone survives the measles outbreak right now, they've got lifelong immunity. Life long immunity. And so they're protected and it might help their immune system with other problems. One thing I've noticed is a totally different picture.

If an adult does get it, it's rare. I have a room full of, we've seen a room full of kids with measles and we see there, many of their parents are not vaccinated and they're not sick. Interesting. Yes, so it's a different picture. And I think there's a, I'll talk about my theory on that at a moment. Marianne, I want to thank you for joining us. Is there anything else you want to share about your experience?

There's so much fear being pushed right now. Do you think this is worthy of the sort of hype and fear that's being created across America right now? We were very scared. I'll just say it like it is. Hearing the stories we heard, we didn't know what to. do being in the ICU. There were so many sick children there. But I would just say if people can follow Dr. Bartlett's protocol, I say do it. We are very, we thank God that he came in and helped us. All right. Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it and our prayers with your family.

Glad everyone's okay. Thank you so much. Needs a lot to us. All right. Take care. I think we have one other mother from the era. Greta is joining us. Hi, Greta. Thank you for joining us today. Hi. Thank you. Yeah. So tell me what was your experience. You also live in this same area in Texas. How many children do you have?

I have five, and they all got the measles. First two did, and they were like one and a half weeks later. And my husband and all other, well, the other three children got it. Oh, so your husband caught it too? Yes. He is vaccinated, but he got it too. That's very interesting. Was he vaccinated as a child or was he vaccinated recently?

Yes. Or was just vaccinated as a child? Okay. And how did your children fare coming through it? Was it alarming or was it? For the oldest poor, it was, well, it wasn't the same for everyone. One stopped eating and drinking, well, mostly or almost stopped drinking, but After two days, he started, well, he had to throw up if he was eating.

And all the others, they were just fine, just fever, and they had some coughs. And we just did lots of cod liver oil and vitamin A and probiotics. That's what we did. Yeah. So we did not give any Tina no or anything. And we didn't do bad. Somebody told me it was bad, so we did not do that for, I guess, until the rash was gone. But for my youngest, he is a special need.

And he is two and a half now. And he developed pneumonia. So we have a nurse come in like every, every Monday. But I was sure. Like I caught him at 77. His oxygen rate was at 77. And I put him on the oxygen right away. And it helped a lot.

And then I call like where Dr. Bartlett was. And he took us in and he helped us. like he took us in front of everybody and he helped us and it was like a big change. Like right the next morning when we woke up like he was himself again. Wow. So again, you had a pretty miraculous turnaround. And was that Buda's tonight again, Dr. Bartlett? It was.

Amazing. Well, I'm glad to hear that that worked out. So of all of your kids and your husband, your youngest was the only one that had to end up going to the hospital. Is that correct? And we did not get in the hospital. Dr. Bart is save us. Oh, so he did. This child is disabled and has a feeding tube.

And he was at high risk of a bad outcome. Okay. And so Greta, I'll let you explain a little bit more. But bottom line is he was basically out of it when she carried him in, wrapped in a blanket, oxygen saturation of 70% at home. Wow. Yeah. And can't feed himself, can't speak, can't communicate.

just lethargic, eyes not engaging. And she's a hero. She took this child, gave supplemental oxygen at home, gave the breathing treatments, gave the antibiotics in the feeding tube. Okay. And he bounced. This would have been a patient on the ventilator

if he would have been treated by another doctor in the hospital, no doubt. And so she saved him a lot of heartache. Amazing. How'd your husband do you? I always wonder how adults are going to do when they catch it? Well, it was a very mile on him, so he did better than all of the kids did.

Okay. All right. Well, that's good to hear. Again, and so none of your, just to be clear, none of your kids were vaccinated? None of them. Well, yes, the first two are some, they have a few vaccines, but then I found out it, like, I got to know the ingredients and the side effects and everything. So we stopped it because I did not trouble with doing that any longer, but the other kids do not have the vaccines. And the oldest two do not have the measles vaccines or they just have some other vaccines. Okay. All right. Very good. What would you want people to know after going through the experience? There's a lot of fear around the country. What would you say to other parents, especially if they're starting to see an outbreak in their area? What would you want those parents to know and what would be your recommendation?

Well, I would say the bedesinite. If they could get a hand on that, do that because I saw it did wonders for our son. And if that would have been like a few hours and a few hours, we would have been to the hospital because the nurse was coming and she would have checked on him and they would put us in the hospital. But Dr. Bartlett, he saved us. And I'm so thankful. All right, wonderful. Well, I want to thank you for taking the time. and helping share your story because it really helps us get a better understanding for ourselves

and brings a reality to it. So thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me. All right. Our prayers are with your family. I hope everyone's feeling good now. Thank you. Take care. Yes. So very interesting two families, both lives, I mean, children's lives were saved. And as you're pointing out, I mean, just there. were roughly 10 kids between the two families and two of 10 had an upper respiratory condition worthy of hospitalization even ice and that is clearly not the one in 10,000 I mean I don't know

but i would assume that if this was the measles that was happening back in i think I think 1962 or whenever, I have a hard time believing the Brady Bunch would be doing laugh tracks on that. Right. This is not that. This is not that? No. I mean, is your, I mean, can we assume this is a different...

It's a different strain. It's either a different strain, a evolution being forced by... Or we're weaker. Or there's also the argument where there's a... There are... Absolutely there are toxins. Yeah. And so a family member of mine recently had cancer to deal with.

We did the environmental toxin screening. It made me very angry to see the results. Yeah. And so we definitely are dealing with a toxic environment. Yeah. And there's also other factors involved that can affect the immune system. But definitely, having RFK involved at this time, we never needed him more. I agree.

And so. I mean, did you find him pushing an agenda? Because that's what he's being accused of. No, he's not pushing anything. He called me after we treated the patients and talked for 20 or 30 minutes. He called me. Who does that? Who checks with the front line and checks on the patients?

Who is that concerned that's a part of the federal health care system? Never before. And so not pushing anything, looking for facts, looking for information, validating it. looking at the studies after he talked to me, speaking with the other doctor, about his perspective. And so I don't see an agenda. I see someone who wants the facts out to the American people. I've never seen transparency like we're seeing right now. And patients deserve, parents deserve transparency before they make a decision.

Right. But, no, I think if we ever needed RFK to be in that position, he's already proving himself. That's fantastic. Is there any pushback right now? Obviously, your public, we're here. You're, you know, on a campaign, really, because you've watched, you've just saved lives. Budesonide works. How is mainstream medicine and media treating this? Are they trying to, I mean, they tried to sideline Budescine for COVID. Are you getting any pushback that way right now? So I've had a couple networks reach out to me and after what we've seen, even lately, where I'm watching the confirmation hearings for RFK and I see what he's saying and then I see what's being reported that he said after the fact. I'm not interested in doing anything, suffering just for the sake of suffering. I want to get the truth out and help people. That's what we're here for. Yeah.

But I'm not interested in the circus that's still happening in the media, the mainstream media. And so I appreciate what you do here with the high wire, getting useful information out to people because there are other people in other states having measles right now. It's not just West Texas. And so I want them to know we're not helpless or hopeless, that we have some tools that are helpful. Yeah.

The Budescinead nebulizer treatments to decrease the inflammation in the lungs, decrease the risk of the bacterial pneumonia, but you need antibiotics. We talk about empirically giving antibiotics or preventively, prophylactically. This is that. It's very important. A couple of patients who did not get the antibiotics but they got the Budescineine nebulizer treatments ended up in the hospital. And so this is critical to be covered with antibiotics.

Do the whole protocol? You have to, unfortunately. Is there a website or anywhere? Do you have this protocol up where someone can look at it? We've talked about it on Budescineidworks.com. All right. Very good. Dr. Bartlett, you drove here, which is quite a drive to share this information. As always, just a very trusted friend and an amazing doctor.

You saved some people for me during COVID. I mean, literally got on the phone and one point was even yelling at them, get out of your bed, I need you walking around. He said I was yelling. I was just encouraging him. Whatever it takes, though, you'll do it. I appreciate that. Dr. Bartlett, thank you for taking the time.

join us today. I just want to say, you know, if you watch the high wire, what you will see is not what people will try to say this is. And I, too, get attacked from all sides of this conversation. I had Larry Pilewski that came onto the show and talked about an entirely natural approach. And clearly here, Dr. Richard Bartlett is, you know, is a very sort of mainstream doctor, scientist that is giving you tools that are available. He didn't say he's. He's, he didn't say. He's, you. He's, he didn't say. He's. He's, he's, he's a very sort of mainstream doctor, he's. He's, he's a very sort of mainstream doctor, he's. He's, he's, he's a he's a now inhale vitamins. What he is saying is Budescine, a pharmaceutical product. I'm trying to get you the truth from all the people as they're experiencing it. That's what informed consent action means to me. What it means is you should be informed that there are people using different ways to treat things, living their lives, different ways. We don't write off people because they got vaccinated or because they're not vaccinating. What we're trying to stand for is a nation where if you're informed, you should have the right to choose. You have the right to choose how you're going to treat your body. And you certainly, this is the country that I believe I live in, you have the right to

choose to raise your children the way you see fit. As I pointed out, I honestly do not have any Tylenol in my house. We don't. We have other ways that we do things. And that's my prerogative. And I don't really push my way of life upon you. I just simply stated as a fact, you know, how we do certain things in our family. But this show is just about an investigation. It is simply about talking to people and even more importantly, people that I don't always completely agree with. But I want you to hear it. I want you, you know, asking questions as I am right now. And I'll be honest. Right now I'm thinking maybe we should have a bottle of Tylenol in the house just in case. And I'm sure by saying that there'll be some that will also

live without telling, Tell what are you doing? What I'm doing is saying this is an open conversation. We are here involved. These are ever-changing times. There are people that are watching right now that don't even believe that measles exist

and you too are allowed to have that dialogue and try to prove your point. But in the end, we've got to be able to have conversations and what I love about Robert Kennedy Jr., which is what Dr. Bartlett is pointing out here is that he is open to learning about everything. He has said, I'm not going into HHS with an agenda.

In fact, he said to his entire team on his first day, can we all leave our agendas out? Can we all leave our ideas of what we came here with? And can we look at all of the science with fresh new eyes and no opinions and just do good science? That's what I'm trying to do here on the high wires, just do good journalism.

I have ways that I see the world, but I try to put it aside when I have an interview, because maybe I need to learn something. Maybe my family's life depends on me learning something, which means I have to listen, and I have to take in that information, and then I process it, and I'll process it with my wife, and sometimes we'll even sit our children down and discuss it. This is what the high wire is, and I think it surprises some of you sometimes. But I just want you to know what you heard today is Dr. Richard Bartlett's truth and his direct experience and a couple of his patients that went through the experience with him. Take that as you will and use that information as it best serves you.

I'm going to get into a little bit deeper, more personal conversation and off the record coming up right after the show. It's just something we're giving back to those of you that support this work that fund our ability to do this show, to do the types of investigation. we do and also to bring legal challenges when we think the information is being hidden from the public. Once again, it's all the name of, you know, being sort of totally transparent. That's what we do here at the Highwire. This is what Off the Record's all about. It's time to go off the record. The show exclusively for our donors.

All right, we're rolling. Here we go. I want to thank you for just sticking around a little bit. We call this Off the Record. This is what we couldn't talk about on the High Wire. I actually want to dive into a very sensitive topic. You have no obligation to be honest with these people. Is anyone telling me the truth?

No doctor wants to say that they're killing people. Yeah, but doesn't every doctor want to stop killing people? You have no freedom. You have no liberty. You're a slave. Journalism massively failed the United States. It's silly to call people anti-vaccine. It's nonsense. Oh, the vultures come out. You're married? Yeah. All of that's BS. This whole system's rigged, and they don't care about our health.

about our health. We will have full discovery power. Watch what happens when we go off the record. You are not going to miss this. Good hanging out. Indeed. So, I am sure that I'm going to hear about this show. And I just want to talk about it for a second, just, you know, moments ago, what you saw, and I laid it out very clearly, we are in an investigation. I brought, I think we're one of the only news agencies right now in the country that got to speak to actual families, Mennonite families that are in the middle of this measles outbreak. You just heard from them directly. We didn't pick ones that were easy. We didn't pick ones that glided right through. We picked a couple whose children were either in the ICU, one that got medevaced, one that

could have gone that way had Dr. Bartlett not gotten involved. And so there are people right now. Look, I'm in think tanks. I sit on these, you know, know, giant signal groups and some of the conversation is we've got to ease the fear around measles. You know, we've got to get out there. Like it's being overblown. It's being over, you know, pushed too hard. And I don't think I achieved that today. I'm pretty sure there's those of you that are watching right now saying, geez, that sounds more serious than I realized. That wasn't what I planned. I don't come into the show planning anything. We are here, as I said, to be completely transparent, show you the truth. I mean it. I have been saying one in 10,000 measles.

This is a Brady Bunch episode. Honestly, from the first-hand account, this does not sound like that. This sounds like something different. You should know that. You should know that. And as many of you know, I live a very natural life with my children in the same way that I was raised. I wasn't vaccinated as a child.

I've survived everything that was around me. My children are doing just fine. But I take into account, should I have some Tylenol? We certainly, I did have Budescineid during COVID, which was a pharmaceutical product. I have Ivermectin, which is a pharmaceutical product, but I also have, you know, NAC and vitamin C. We do nebulizers of peroxide and Lugals iodine. If you want another perspective outside of the pharmaceutical one we just heard, I would recommend

Lawrence Pilefsky's website is a good one that has a lot of information there for how to deal with these moments. that when you are raising babies, especially babies, but children, you have questions. My daughter was very sick a few weeks ago, and I went to Larry Pilewski's site and got a lot of understanding about what was going on and helped us through. There's also Dr. Mercola has a website, and I use some of the things that are there. I also want to point out that we received no funding today when we were discussing Badesnite or certainly the Hydro Shot, Dr. Burnett. Bartlett doesn't get any funding from that, neither do I.

He just said this is something that he is seeing that works. As I think about this investigation, there's things that are going through my mind right now. Why is it that this measles sounds like it's more serious than the one that our parents and our grandparents had? Well, right here in this show, we've already discussed multiple elements. What were all the studies showing of the bird flu vaccines that were being? being used in Mexico around the world. Why did our own government, why was Robert Kennedy Jr., when he sat down with Rollins, the USDA head, and said, you know, where are we, you know, what are we going to do here? And they came to the conclusion that the vaccine looks like it is leaky and that it will

pressure the virus to maybe even be more dangerous, more deadly. That is what studies around the world are showing us about that bird flu vaccine when given to animals. We saw, very similar things with the coronavirus, the COVID. I think you saw just an incredibly fast amount of mutations. Was it because we were vaccinating? And the thought that I think about with the measles vaccines I've shared with you, when they were first designing a measles vaccine, half of the community, the immunologists and biologists were irate. They said this is insane. We should never do this. We should not mess with a virus that is this infectious. Everybody is believed to have caught it before, 1957. If you just heard those parents, everyone in their families and all their neighbors and all their

friends and all their extended family are catching it, it sweeping through. We also saw that out of four adults, the two parents in these two stories we just heard, each one of them had one of them get the measles even though they've been vaccinated. So the vaccine isn't holding up. Now they said they had mild cases and some will say, well, look, the vaccine made it mild. Yeah, but does that person spread? And how many people are having even milder cases where you don't see it? But, but they're carrying it. Are there asymptomatic carriers all through this? Huge question.

I can tell you this. One thing's for sure that that measles vaccine did not achieve the goal. It was supposed to eradicate measles. And this is what the concern was in the 1960s before we did this vaccine. Why are we messing with a childhood illness that has mild symptoms when it is as infectious as it is as it is? What they said then in the 1960s, if we pressured this vaccine, I mean, pressure this virus with a vaccine that ends up not eradicating this virus, we're at risk for giving attributes, pressuring this very benign illness and making it more dangerous in the future. So my question right now is, and this is a hypothesis, are we looking at a more, you know, virulent, stronger strain of measles because of the years that we've been vaccinated and pressure.

this virus and not eradicating it. And don't blame the anti-vaxxers. You know, you've had over 40, 50 years, what, 1960 till now, to eradicate this virus. You didn't achieve it. And how do you achieve it if it's leaking? How do you achieve it if some adults are catching it? All of this makes me think about the fact that they know this. They know that they have a problem. They know that they've made an unnatural world by inserting themselves and playing God. In fact, I was sitting as I was thinking, you know, interviewing Dr. Richard Bartlett of a very important quote that came in December of 2019 when the WHO got together for the Global Vaccine Summit. And they were trying to discuss how to end vaccine hesitancy. I've done many stories on this, talks, and this is a whole show on all of the things they admitted behind the scenes when they forgot the cameras were rolling. It's a, you just go back and check out the WHO show. It's amazing. But there was one statement that Heidi Larson, who's the psychologist at the head of the WHO, trying to figure out how we think, how we train people, how we get people to get back to vaccinating.

She said something very important in that meeting that I am thinking about right now. Watch this. I think that one of our biggest challenges is, as Bob said this morning or yesterday, we're in a unique position in human history where we've shifted. the human population to vaccine induced, to dependency on vaccine induced immunity. And that's on the great assumption that populations would cooperate. And for many years, people lined up.

The six vaccines, people were there. They saw the reason. We're in a very fragile state now. We have developed a world that is dependent on vaccinations. We don't have a choice, but to make that effort to make that extra. What she's saying there is really critical for you to understand, especially if you're brand new to watching this show.

By inserting vaccines into this program, what she is saying is we've shifted you away from the herd immunity that was long lasting, life lasting, when it came to measles, couldn't catch measles the rest of your life. We've shifted you out of the natural herd immunity that this world had achieved into a vaccine-induced immunity. And what she says is we are now dependent on this vaccine immunity. There's nothing we can do to change that. We're stuck with what we got. It's an inferior immunity, folks.

We took away robust, lifelong immunity to all the diseases that we were catching as children. I've already showed you your risk of heart disease is decreased by 20% if you had mumps and measles as a child. It primes your immune system. It makes you a healthier person. They're now introducing vaccines to cure cancer. Well, what if you had viruses back and you don't get? cancer, 20% reductions in most cancers, 50% reduction in ovarian cancer if a woman had mumps and measles as a child.

There were benefits to this. But now they've shifted us out of that natural space into a false sense of security with a vaccine that leaks that has problems. People are catching it even when they got it. Now, no infants are protected, something I talked about last week. We used to have infant protection from measles because it was passed down from that lifelong immunity the mother got when she was infected. now she's not passing anything. Vaccinated people don't pass anything. We're weaker. We're a weaker species now. We're more vulnerable. Maybe that's all that's happening here. Maybe we are just weaker. Maybe there's too many toxins in our environment. We're not handling these things well. Maybe we're pressing the virus to be more dangerous. Maybe these are new strains. Or as COVID proved, maybe it's coming from a lab. We don't know. We know the coronavirus did. At least we're 90% sure. Peter McCulliffe just broke the story on my show. I'm

show last week that the bird flu we're dealing with came from a lab. And so in the middle of all of this, I'm going to say to all of you, these are choices you must recognize the world you live in. Don't just make a choice because someone says it on a television show or on a podcast. You need to do your own investigation. I mean, I'm thinking about it with my family. No, I don't believe in vaccines because they have been properly safety tested. I believe those parents when they tell me my child progressed right after getting a vaccine. I saw them scream their head off all night and they never walked again. I've interviewed tons of families that vaccinated the first child, fully autistic, deeply in the spectrum. Second child was when they finally discovered halfway through their vaccine

program that all of a sudden, like, wait a minute, I think the vaccines are what doing because we're losing our second child. So they stop halfway through. That child ends up going to college, but having Asperger's. And then they talk about the third child, the only one we tell. We're going. totally didn't vaccinate, valedictorian of the school, star of the football team, going to school honors at Harvard. I cannot tell you how many times I've done that interview, just like I did this interview today with Richard Bartlett. I don't know where all of this leads.

This is science, folks. It's messy. We're talking about bacterias and viruses and pharmaceutical industries inserting themselves with products that have no liability protections that may or may not be doing what they're promising us they're doing. And in all of this, we've got to find our way. Our families have got to find our way. Is it smart?

Do you just say, oh, screw it, I'm going to vaccinate, even though I know they weren't properly safety tested because everyone else is, and they're making a mess of everything. And now that they've got viruses leaking from laboratories, I've got to protect myself by playing their game. Maybe you do. Maybe that's the choice that you make. But at the heart of what we do here,

what we fight for, what you're funding in our legal cases is that you have the choice and that you are informed with what is happening in the world around you. Today, I am sure some of you are upset. I am sure there are doctors that have been on this stage saying, Del, why did you have on Dr. Richard Bartlett? The people are afraid. You show that there's a lot of people going to ICU with these measles.

Well, I'm sorry to disappoint because I'm not owned by anybody. I'm not even owned by my own perspective of the world. I want to learn. I want to see if it's the same world that I grew up in. I want to know what's happening around me. I don't stick my head in the sand to fit my own agenda. I challenge my own dogma as often as I possibly can. And I ask my team to do the same so that we never run a story just because it looked good and looked like it fit our agenda.

I say double check it. Where are we getting it wrong? Are we just making an assumption from where we're coming from? What you're watching right now on the high wire, what you're going to continue to watch as this world gets crazier and crazier is people that are dedicated to the truth over everything else. The truth is we find it. We're going to get those stories. and bring them to you. We're going to go to the front line and find out what's really happening there every time we can. As I've proved today, don't ever try to assume you know what my agenda

is because you're going to be surprised. I'm surprised. I'm surprised what I learned today, which means it's a good day. It's a good day every day we get to challenge ourselves and say, you know what? Let me reassess the world. Let me think again. Let me run through the choices I've making. Do I need to make some adjustments? This is what it means to live on this earth, folks. This is what it means to take on your own responsibility for your own life. Freedom is dangerous. Information is scary. But watch out for people. that try to tell you that information is dangerous. They're the ones that are dangerous to you,

and you'll never find them on the high wire. See you next week.