The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 418: INTERNAL AFFAIRS

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

RFK Jr. Cuts HHS Staff by 20k; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on the War on Elon Musk, 23andMe is shopping around your data, and Idaho Medical Freedom Bill Hits a Snag; Gastroenterologist explains whether Probiotic Yogurts actually help or harm your gut.Guest: Sabine Hazan, M.D.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time for us all to step out onto the high wire. Well, it's been amazing week when it comes to health in the world. There's people being hired. There's people being fired. And of course, that was one of the really big stories this week is real action now taking place at Health and Human Services, of course, Robert Kennedy Jr. at the center of this. And it's amazing. Some people are celebrating. Some people are really upset. I guess that's the world that we live in. It's almost like we all live in two different worlds. You feeling like that a little bit when you're talking with some of your friends, especially family back home. But there was an article that came out yesterday that we were all looking at. widespread layoffs, purge of leadership underway at U.S. health agencies.

This paragraph right here really sort of I found a little bit comical. Top officials at the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration were put on administrative leave or offered reassignment to the Indian Health Service. Other employees began receiving layoff notices or learned that they had lost their jobs when their entry badges no longer were. Tuesday morning. Part of the article, you know, goes on to talk about how people were being given jobs in Alaska when they talk about Indian services or up in Montana. I suppose Robert Kennedy Jr. is, you know, in his own way, sending people out as well. No, no, I mean, by the way, think about

what's going on here. I suppose there's a lot of rules around if you can fire government officials. So a lot of times all you can do is give them another job. And so as close to cyber, as he can get. I think Robert Kennedy Jr. is giving some of these people the job in other places. This is some more of those headlines that were coming in on this. The wife of Dr. Anthony Bouchy reassigned from NIH to Indian Health Services Regional Posts. Christine Grady, of course, was the former head of the Department of Bioethics, the National Institute of Health Clinical Center. Obviously, we all feel like there was conflict of interest going on in some of the federal.

inside of that little household. But apparently she didn't want to be moved out into the middle of nowhere. And I guess that she's probably not going to accept that post. You know, and this is how that goes. Of course, Robert Kennedy Jr. had this to say to those on this difficult day. There is a difficult moment for all of us at HHS. Our hearts go out to those who have lost their jobs. But the reality is clear.

What we've been doing isn't working. Despite spending $1.9 trillion in annual costs, Americans are getting sicker every year. In the past four years alone, the agency's budget has grown by 38 percent, yet outcomes continue to decline. We must shift course. HHS needs to be recalibrated to emphasize prevention, not just sick care. These changes will not affect Medicare, Medicaid, or other essential health services. This overhaul is about realigning HHS with its more core mission to stop the chronic disease epidemic and make America healthy again.

It's a win-win for taxpayers and for every year. American we serve. I think I got quoted in a couple of these articles, this from the Washington Post. Del Bigtree, former communications director for Kennedy's presidential run and CEO of the Maha Action Advocacy Group said Kennedy is putting the health of Americans over the security of some people's government jobs. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is not going to get rid of people that are going to get the job done for the American people, Bigtree said. So if these people are losing their position, there's a reason for it. One of the big people, positions, obviously, that we were discussing this week is none other than Peter Marks,

who was at the center of the COVID vaccine, has bragged about it. This is some of the headlines on what's going on there. Peter Marks resigns from the FDA. We put that out. He put out an entire letter upon resignation that everyone can read. You probably should read it. This is just a couple of excerpts. During the COVID pandemic, I had the privilege of watching the vision that I conceived for Operation Warb Speed in March 2020 in collaboration with Dr. Robert Cadillac becoming a reality under the leadership of HHS Secretary Azar and President Trump due to the unwavering commitment of public servants at FDA and elsewhere across the government. Well, of course, he celebrates the COVID vaccine, something that many of us have an issue with.

And I just want to mark this moment in time so that we never forget that while he celebrates, the brilliance of the COVID vaccine, how incredibly safe it was and effective it was. On the moment that he's leaving office, this is the VAERS reports on that very vaccine. We have 38,476 reported deaths from that vaccine, which is the highest death rate of any vaccine in history. Now, they will say, well, those aren't confirmed reports, but that's a signal. That's a gigantic signal. That is something that needed investigation and needed explanation. I mean, Peter Marks has never explained where those numbers come from or showed us how that number got so high.

Let's go through the rest of these incredible stats that he wants to apparently brag about the product that caused these on VERS. 220,384 hospitalizations reported from that vaccine, 156,461,461 urgent care visits. 247,264 doctors visits that were attributed to that vaccine. 10,953 cases of antiphalaxis. You have to imagine most of those are accurate because I'm assuming it was pretty instantaneous. And 17,909-Bels palsy paralysis situations. And that's just sort of the top contenders. So, well, myocarditis top left, of course, myocarditis, pericitis.

Look at this, folks. 28,897 people that knew about this virus system, by the way, we're able to get a doctor and fill it out. God knows how many. These numbers are tiny compared to what we know must already be out there. 28,000 swollen hearts in citizens. And of course, we've talked about that very system as the Harvard investigation found out captures what they said in this fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are ever reported. My God, if that's 1%, Lord, help us in this nation and around the world. So what an incredible disaster that really is.

At the heart of this conversation around Peter Marks was this incredible tone-depthness around the injuries that were being taking place that we just pointed out. It's the center of an incredible documentary, Follow the Silenced, that discusses exactly this. the people that were injured by the vaccine, especially those that were in the trials. We didn't need to injure everyone else if we saw that in the trials and we'd paid attention to those that were being injured. At the heart of this, though, is Peter Marks. And Bree Dresson, who's in that documentary, had several recorded phone calls complaining to Dr. Marks.

Now, we all know in the public, Dr. Marks said there are no issues. This vaccine is perfectly safe. There are no signals. I mean, he said that so many times, yet this documentary captures another story. This is just an excerpt from Follow the Silence, which is winning awards across the country. Take a look at this. Thanks. Everyone wants to just introduce themselves.

It might be helpful. And then Suzanne from the FDA. After we got these meetings set up with the FDA, thankfully through my home senator here, Senator Lee. So I'm Peter Mark, director of center from Bob. Peter Mark's head of biologics is the guy that is supposed to evaluate the safety and the efficacy of these vaccines. As you can tell, we've got thousands of people that are having issues with the neurological side effects to the COVID vaccines. We're currently involved with research at the NIH, but the research at the NIH has been kind of mired and slowed. I confirmed with Janet Woodcock, the head of the FDA, as well as with the researchers that we were working with at the NIH, that they knew, that I knew that they were talking to each other.

And after that, NIH went radio silent. I wanted to make sure that they got a perspective from medical professionals. One of these physicians is a critical care physician. She's trying to hang on to her medical license. I'm going to protect her identity. Thank you, Bree, for inviting me. And Dr. Marks, it's really wonderful to meet you. As you know, the physician community holds FDA guidance in incredibly high esteem.

After the FDA communications about myocarditis came out, both the ER and cardiology teams were tuned to look for it. Our patient care dramatically improved, all due to the FDA advisory. They disclosed myocarditis to the medical community, and the medical community was given the green light to actually identify myocarditis and look for it. for it and help their patients and also report myoclarditis. So the FDA is not naming additional adverse reactions to the vaccine because the passive surveillance systems aren't displaying it.

But the passive surveillance systems aren't displaying it because physicians are blinded to the adverse reactions in their patients and thus aren't reporting them. And it's resulted in a negative feedback loop. And I believe that this loop is the reason why we are having a hard time getting recognition from the FDA regarding our neurologic reactions. So we are really hoping to have a conversation with you that has more specific. specific details with how the FDA has looked into things such as small fiber neuropathy, dysotanoma, and general neuropathy.

It's not like we can just cluster neurologic symptoms in general. So is the majority of folks with this is it dysodotidomia? What would you say are the top three? It doesn't have to be just one, but what are the top couple of things that you think we should be looking for? It is obvious from that question they have not looked specifically for any of these things. There's 88 distinct search terms on VIRS when you curate to indicate a neuropathy, so I'm hoping we can look at all of them. Yes, please feel free to send that to us. Yep, that would be helpful.

Ask a preschool teacher and a critical care physician for 88 terms of neuropathy. We'll hand it over. We'll get that to you. You know, in the meantime, I hope that things get better for you both, and we'll continue to look into things. Thanks. Well, if you, you know, keep asking yourself, like, are things getting better? Where's the World at? Follow the Silence just premiered at the Directors Guild in Santa Monica.

We won. Follow the Silence was just awarded the Best of Fest and Best Director at Santa Monica Film Festival. Thank you to the festival, founder, David Katz, for having the courage to host such controversially. truth right in the heart of Hollywood. That is such a huge victory in the belly of the beast. I just want to say to Matt and Mickey, congratulations. Of course, they're on our show talking about that. And we will be talking to them coming up later next week. Actually, next week, in a high wire exclusive, we were going to release all of those recorded phone calls. I believe

there's about six or seven, seven than 30, 40 minutes long. Of course, we'll do a show cutting that down. going to release to the world everything that was known by this man as he kept saying it was safe. And ICAN got them. I mean, we were, you know, we helped fund a lot of that. We were supporting Bree dressing in her lawsuits and everything that she's got going on to make that happen. So ICANN's going to be putting all that out. So really excited about next week. We just didn't have the time to do it right because we're laying out the timeline, not just of when these phone calls were made, but what was known by the science and everything at the same time. What was Peter Mark saying? publicly all of that is going to be a gigantic dump that we're putting out next week,

just as a part of the investigation we've been on for a very long time. But I just want to talk about that documentary piece for a second because it points out the entire issue around this. As Peter Marks keeps saying it's perfectly safe, it's perfectly safe, that means doctors aren't looking for any issues. And when they keep hearing from the FDA, it's perfectly safe. when they see a myocarditis case, they're like, well, that's not caused by this. They don't know that there's thousands of other reports of that myocarditis.

They think they're seeing the only one like it. And they're like, well, I guess this kid was just having a swollen heart from running on a football track or something like that. And as she pointed out, the doctor does in that piece, once you told us that this was a side effect, suddenly we started treating it differently. We said, oh, wait a minute, if this is a vaccine injury, we should be looking at this in a different way. Let's change our treatment and we start helping people more.

Also, I'm sure those reports to bears started ramping up as it said, oh, this is an injury. Let me go ahead and report it. This is the problem with this entire system that Robert Kennedy Jr.'s got to fix. That entire list of neuropathies and issues going on, he's not looking into it. He's not saying the hospitals, I'm talking to Bree Dresson. I'm on my fourth phone call. She has thousands, tens of thousands of people in her group React 19 right now, and they're suffering from all of these different neurological conditions.

So keep your eyes out. Please start reporting it to VERS so that we can track and see how much of this is going, how much of it is real, what's not. This is how science is supposed to happen. But this man blocked that science. He absolutely made sure that that science didn't happen on a rushed vaccine that got pulled out of its safety trial and put on the market with an emergency use authorization. I mean, this is crimes against humanity.

if you're going to pull it out of a safety trial saying, we've got to rush it on the market, but don't worry, we're going to be doing robust post-marketing surveillance. And then you watch Bree Dressing on a call, as they pointed out. And he's like, I don't know. So what issues you're having? Can you send us a list? Meaning we're not making the list ourselves?

I'm not writing this down for you, by the way, that you're complaining. But if you'd write it down and send us that list, I'll make sure to bury it in an archive somewhere so no one will ever see it. This is how the FDA has been being. Of course, at the end of his letter, this is what he had to say about why he was leaving. My hope is that during the coming years, the unprecedented assault on scientific truth

that has adversely impacted public health in our nation comes to an end so the citizens of our country can carefully benefit from the breadth of advances in medical science. Though I will regret not being able to be a part of future work at the FDA, I'm truly grateful to have had the opportunity to work with such a remarkable group of individuals as the staff at FDA and will do my best to continue to advance public health in the future. The unprecedented assault on science was by you, my friend, Dr. Peter Marks, and good riddance. May the door not hit you on your way out. I think history will not look well upon this man as we recognize the harm. As I've said, I've said this. I've been talking to reporters I said to one

just yesterday, this guy was lying to the president of the United States, President Biden, telling him that it's 95% effective at stopping transmission, which it was not. It was zero percent effective. In fact, it has reversed the ability to reverse protection in that you get IGG4 antibodies that make you more susceptible down the road to catching COVID if you got the vaccine. But he told President Biden, go ahead and make laws. people that are in establishments that have over 100 employees to take this product. Force people that work in the health industry. Force people in the military and then guilt everybody telling them if they don't take it,

they're putting their friends and neighbors at risk. All of that was a lie. All of that by Peter Marks. He made the president of the United States write laws and lie to the public on television. Now, we can all ask ourselves what Biden? did or did not know, but at the heart of this is that man, Peter Marks, getting the president to lie and based on those lies, take away our rights and inject us with a product that is now proven to be incredibly dangerous and totally ineffective. So that's the world we find ourselves in.

Now, of course, the media is going crazy over the firing. Oh, my God, all these poor government employees. That actually came up in, I did a press conference. it's online this week to talk about the fact that Monsanto and Bayer are trying to get liability protection just like there is on vaccinations. I don't know if you know, have you been following this, but even now when we've got billions of dollars paid out in a product that causes cancer, it's been ruled across cancer, and Monsanto will say, well, courtrooms can't decide. That's not science. Well, the science was done by the WHO and the IARC back in 2015. They had a two weeks symposium of scientists from all around the world and determine that glyphosate at the center of this

controversy in the product roundup is probably carcinogenic to humans, the second highest cancer rating. And now that they're paying out billions of dollars, they want liability protection. Isn't that amazing? Isn't it amazing that we live in a country where instead of going, all right, you got us, we've now paid out, I don't know, $10, $20 billion in settlements. There's still 50,000 people lined up with complaints of catching cancer from our product from using it. But now instead of saying, all right, let's go back to the drawing boards.

Let's make a better product. What are you doing in America? No, there's a better way. There's a better way. Just get the government to give you liability protection and say, protect us from being sued. That's what the government is there for, to poison the people and make sure that we as corporate interests making billions and trillions of dollars can't be sued by those. pesky little citizens of the United States of America. The fact that they even think that that's an approach shows you how much work Robert Kennedy

Jr. has to do. And the fact that in the middle of a conversation like that, all a reporter cares about is, well, how are you going to do this work if you're laying off all these people? One of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard and happened to be, well, let me just show you how I responded to that. Yeah, I appreciate you taking the question. I was just wondering, I mean, the Trump administration is. getting rid of thousands of people across the many federal agencies, including HHS, EPA, and USDA.

Who is actually going to be left to do the analyses that you feel should be done? I think there'll still be tens of thousands of people left when they're done. I'm sure they'll be able to find somebody that will be able to do it. I think it's amazing that anyone thinks that that is a talking point, that you can run a business that has run so clearly, you know, over budget, trillions of dollars being spent every year, 4.5 trillion on health, and yet we get sicker and sicker and sicker. I look at Indian health as I was helping Robert Kennedy Jr. And just looking through the list of positions he needed to fill the head of Indian health,

the Native American program, $9.8 billion per year. I don't know if you've ever visited an Indian reservation, but these are the sickest people in the world. And most of them don't even have a grocery store. They're still living in food deserts. like they're in a third world nation. Couldn't that $9.8 billion have been spent on getting some food into those reservations? So whoever is getting fired deserves to be fired, this is a set of programs, as Robert Kennedy Jr. has pointed out, is totally inefficient. Many of them hiding information from each other in some sort of strange competition, I guess,

for future funding from the corporations we're supposed to be protected from. But I don't think anyone that's ever been in a business thought you should just go in stick with a business that's running terribly and not fire anybody. That's how you do good business. You go in, you make it efficient. We may lose a few jobs that we needed, but ultimately we'll figure that out, and then they'll be rehired. I think this is a ridiculous set of talking points by mainstream media. Just so we understand to. A lot of talking about 20,000 people out of 82,000, that's a lot. You don't think so much. HHS, it's a lot. Yeah, I think it'll be good. It'll be good.

You think they all deserve to be fired. And the short term, it's unfortunate because those people are real people. And this stinks. Being unemployed is terrible. And I'm sure that it hit them surprisingly. I'm just surprised to hear you say they all deserve to be fired. I mean, I'm not sure how you know all of their particular circumstances or qualifications. I just know that they've overseen the greatest decline in public health.

And everyone that works there at the moment should be held responsible. I think you'll find out the ones that were actually trying to do good but couldn't. But right now, the greatest decline in human health has been witnessed over the decades that HHS has been running the way that it has. And we shouldn't be worried about anyone being fired because no one could stand up and say, hey, I made America healthy again. They didn't. And this job has not been done. We have chemicals in our food that should have been removed 10 years ago. So everyone that didn't remove it, I think they deserve it to be fired.

We have chemicals that are in all of our products. We are so sick in our regulatory agencies. And people will say to me, how do you know it's vaccines? Well, I never said it's just vaccines. How do you know it's not the herbicides and pesticides that we talked about sprayed on our crops? How do you know it's not the antibiotics that are being injected into our beef? How do you know it's not the fluoride in our water? How do you know it's at the 5G in our phones?

And what I will say is we don't know which one of these things is. Maybe it's a combination of all of them. But one thing is for sure, every one of those products and every one of those sectors was approved by this set of regulatory agencies. So no, I do not think I have to worry about whose job is being held when they've done the worst job in America we've ever seen. Well, you know, obviously the conversation is like, oh, the poor people being fired, as I said in the Washington Post article, really, I trust that Robert Kennedy Jr. When he says, I need to get studies done, I need to get trials done, we are going to be transparent. We have investigations to do. He's not going to go ahead and fire the people that he thinks could get those investigations done.

not too worried about that. I also, you know, I want to take this moment really quickly because I know some people are confused. What is Maha and what is ICANN and the high wire? And I'll be honest, I'm a very, very busy person, mostly because I set out with this great team and I can to end chronic disease before we even were talking about that. We were, I guess, is tempted to make America healthy again, to bring all of the focus to the dangers of pharmaceutical products, especially and vaccines through the high wire and reporting on it. We sued the government with Aaron Siri. All of that's been done by ICANN. But then as I came out of working with Robert Kennedy Jr., MAHA is a legislative group. It's a C4. This is a C3. I can. Not to get two in the

weeds. Maha is a C4. A lot of companies have both. In fact, ICAN has always had a C4 to do legislative work, but we really haven't used it that much. So I said, well, why don't we just, you know, go ahead and make these two things work together. We do all of these brilliant investigations through ICANN. We bring all of these lawsuits against the government and all of those things that we learn so much. And then we have this great show that brings all that news to you. All of that's going to continue to keep going. But when I want to run legislation, we want to start changing, getting, you know, governors and governments to start changing their laws, I can't, can't do that because it's a nonprofit.

a C4 can. And so I'm also working at Maha now to drive that legislation. So that's how these two things are balanced. I'm trying to find balance in that. But I just want to let you know that all the work that we're doing needs your support. I'm going to talk about it later. But ICAN is more important than ever. And the reason that I can have these conversations and help in the Maha movement is because of all the investigations that are funded here at I can and the incredible legal wins that we have going forward. But I'm going to continue to keep talking to press. In fact, even in that press situation, I said to them, you're all reporters. How is it, I mean, I want you to ask yourselves, how is it that you can hear a story that a company like Monsanto has paid out

billions of dollars for causing non-Hodgkins lymphoma? And they're not alone. It's not just some anomaly. It's multiple cases. And the WHO and IARC, which is the cancer research body there at WHO determined that this does, probably does cause cancer, which is the second highest cancer rating than there is. Yet none of your papers are covering the fact that this company wants our government to protect them for liability. If you're going to leave this press conference and go back to your papers and your news entities and say, hey, I'd like to do this story. I said to them, and they don't let you do that story, just know you are not a journalist now. You are working for the machine. You are working against the interests of citizens, which I definitely,

is why you became a journalist. So check in with yourself because I once did in my life and I let them know we're hiring. We need better reporters on this side of the fence. And that's why it's great when you decide to, you know, sponsor and support us in the work that we do. We can hire more journalists. We can be that larger news agency. So please, we would love it if you give $25 a month to I Can Decide.org. It's very easy. It's right at the top of your page wherever you're watching this. We can make that. happen. www.thehighwire.com. You'll see it up there, donate to I can. You can become a recurring donor. It helps us do all this work. Just choose that amount that you think that you can part with

once a month to help us build the news agency for the future that is never, ever going to allow Peter Marks to get away with what he has gotten away with so far, at least in mainstream media. All right. Of course, my partner in all of this at the High Wire, one of the great investigators in the world that walked away from it too, walked away from the ability getting the mainstream and said, no, I'm going to speak for the people. That's Jeffrey Jackson. And it's time for the Jackson Report. Just off the cuff, Jeffrey, I have to say it's amazing. I didn't think that they would be able to get people angered and upset and crying over government jobs. When have we ever cared how many people are or are not working for the government? I guess you could make people incensed about anything,

but this is a behemate that's out of control and is doing a really poor job, so it clearly needs a haircut. It's one of the themes we're going to be talking about today, Dell, is the anger and the rage that can be just directed at the flip of a coin to whatever direction that it chooses to go. And before we get there, though, I want to talk about a huge shakeup in the genetic testing market, personal genetic testing. What am I talking about? 23 and me, one of the largest companies. companies that deal with this direct consumer genetic testing has filed for bankruptcy. This is the headline here. This just happened. This company headed by Anne Wochitsky.

That's the sister of the late Susan Wershyshsky of YouTube. And it's an interesting start. We've had our eye on this company for a long time for a lot of reasons. And I want to go through this really quick because the story doesn't stop with this bankruptcy. So 23 of me started with these. It was, it's kind of an uneventful start. 2006, 2007, these kind of high-end cocktail parties, they called them spit parties, where they wealthy people would come and it was really cool. You can find out your ancestry and test your

genetics there. But then it caught the eye of the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, at Davos in 2008, when 23 and Me was named Technology Pioneer of the Year. And that's when things really kicked off. But the problem here really lies in the data. They have this treasure trove of the public's personal genetic data. You can't get any more granular than that. And even consumer reports came out and said, wait a minute, I got a question here. This was a report that they wrote. And they said, the company's services over-collect personal information about you and over-share some of your data with third parties. Consumer reports, privacy experts say it's unclear why collecting and then sharing much of this data is necessary to provide you the services they offer. So even consumer reports

saying, well, why you get people's genetic information? Why are you taking all the rest of their Why do you need all of that information? Why are you sharing with third parties? So what basically, you know, what started as like a front facing designer genetics company started to move now towards a full-fledged biotech companies. So in 2003, Rajetsky did an interview and she was talking about, she's like, oh yeah, we have full labs here. We're turning this thing into a full-fledged biotech. And this is exactly what happened too. They started selling data to pharmaceutical companies.

This is Time magazine as early as 28. as early as 2018. It says consumer genetics company 23MME announced that Glaxo Smith Klein purchased a $300 million stake in the company, allowing the pharmaceutical giant to use 23M's trove of genetic data to develop new drugs and raising new privacy concerns for customers, you think. And so you can see this, everyone wants their hands, all pharmaceutical companies, they want their hands in this genetic data because it's gold mine, but it's not just the pharmaceutical companies. It's also hackers. The New York Times put out a warning years ago, warning of efforts by China to collect

genetic data. And that was alerted by a national counterintelligence and security center report in 2021. And that report said this. Biotechnology can be used to, and they knew this at the time. So they put out a nationwide report. Biotechnology can be used to create virulent pathogens that can target our food supply or even the human population. Genetic technology used to design and disease therapies tailored to an individual can also be used to identify genetic vulnerabilities in a population. Large genetic databases that allow people's ancestry to be revealed and crimes to be solved also can be misused for surveillance and societal repression. So that's a whole different angle that a lot of people weren't even thinking about. But we have this counterintelligence agency in the U.S. saying, oh, by the way, hackers are looking for this for this reason.

That's a huge problem besides just the pharmaceuticals, suical companies knocking down their door. is trying to just throw money at them. So what exactly happened? Well, just a couple of years later, what was warned about came to fruition. 23Mee confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9 million users. And what's interesting about this is,

what did 23M me do? Well, they said, it's your fault, users. 23 of me to hacking victims. It's not our fault. You're too lazy to change passwords. So great leadership there. Can't imagine them failing as a company with an attitude like that.

That's phenomenal. Scary too. I mean, and how many people use it? I want to do, I mean, you know, you want to know what your ancestry is, but I just, it was scary putting into that system. But can people get it back? I mean, is there a way to, you know? Yeah, yeah.

So what's happening right now? So we bring it up to really current speed here. Less than a year ago, all the board of directors resigned as this genetic company was seeking to take it private. This is right before the bankruptcy. But now the most recent headline, 23 of me says it, one permission from a judge to sell customers, medical, and accessory data. So this is really where the worth of the company is.

And in this bankruptcy, they're going to shop people's personal data around. So that triggered the attorneys generals in several states to put out a warning, issue warning. This is North Carolina, South Carolina. Attorneys general urge 23 million users to delete their data now. This is also California, Arizona, New York, their attorneys generals are also saying the same thing. So for the people that have used this system and that have their genetic data in there, and that maybe are just hearing this for the first time, if you need to delete, if you want to delete your data, this is how you do it.

Watch this. Okay. You log into your account and go to settings. At the bottom of the page, go to 23 and Me data and then delete your data. You're going to have to put in your birthday. From here, you can download your data so that it's saved to your personal device. And then you can go ahead and permanently delete your data. If you previously opted for 23 and me to retain your saliva sample, you can update your preferences in the preferences section of your account settings.

You can also withdraw consent for your genetic information to be used by third-party researchers under the research and product consent section. All right. There you go, folks. That's how you get it done. All right. Absolutely. And so, Del, we started out this conversation at the top of the show here. We're talking about just why people are angry at, you know, government jobs being lost. and looking at taking back your individual data and grabbing your personal sovereignty back from corporations, I mean, the very fabric of America has been built on journalism, finding out the wrongs and taking back personal sovereignty

and that's allowed in the United States, protest something that's allowed to. And we have now an interesting situation that's developed over this past month. So we have the Doge, this is Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency. He was tapped by Trump to really start this initiative, looking at reducing federal spending and proving government efficiency. And that's kicked off.

And one of the issues here is things went quickly from peaceful protests against what he is doing to coordinated acts of violence and sabotage against his company, Tesla. And if people really, they haven't been seeing what's going on here, the escalation happened very quickly. Take a look at this. All right. Police across the country say they're seeing an uptick of attacks on Tesla property. A spike in Tesla facilities and vehicles being hit with protests and violence.

Demonstrators here in Pasadena say they are fed up with the world's richest man's influence in government. Teslas are being torched across the country. Dealerships shot up and set on fire. Incendiary devices found outside of a Tesla showroom in Austin, Texas. Multiple cars have been set on fire to Tesla service center. They suspect fire bombing Teslas throwing Molotov cocktails at them. The driver then walks over to the 61-year-old woman in the Tesla and reportedly starts hitting her while she's behind the wheel. Two men spring what police say were swatts to go on the side of a Tesla cyber truck also carving the word Nazis.

This looks like a delivery planned attack on my property at my house. Demonstrators gathering around the world and from coast to coast in the U.S. for so-called Tesla takedowns. They're demonstrating against the budget cuts. Tesla founder Elon Musk is making with the train. Trump administration. Protesters are urging boycotts, calling on Tesla owners to sell their EVs and dump their stops. All I want to see happen on my birthday is for Elon to be taken down. Some of you know this on the iPhone. They've got that little stock app. I added Tesla to give me a little boost during the day. 2.25 and dropping. Hey, hey! Ho-ho! Elon Musk has got to go!

I don't know. I'm trying. I mean, I tried it because, as I've said on the show so many times, and politically marooned. But I've also been on this journey from having been a Democrat my whole life to following, you know, before I even worked Robert Kennedy Jr. I had sort of jumped off of that train, but got back on it to help Robert Kennedy Jr. and then run an independent line. So I'm sort of all over the map, but I really don't remember a time where there was politicians calling for the destruction, essentially, of an American company. This is an American car company. One of the few cars that's made a lot of it is built here in America. It's sort of shocking. And then on top of it, that it's an environmental car and is being attacked

by the party that claims to be the most obsessed with the issues around environment. I mean, this may be one of the most head-scratching stories that's happening right now. I just don't understand how people are so easily manipulated into rage and hate like this. And it's going, and one of the reasons we're touching this is it's going beyond calling for the destruction of the company is actually actively participating in destructive, and destroying some of the company and its vehicles and the people driving it that really don't even know what's going on in a lot of times. They just kind of are caught up in this whole thing. And, you know, looking at the whole thing, there's a lot of moving parts here, but what do we know?

I mean, we've seen a lot of escalation of violence. In the run-up to Trump's inauguration, there was two attempts on his life. And then also in the last three weeks, we've seen a complete rash of swatting, of conservative journalists. And what am I talking about? Well, that's when someone calls it a fake report of like a bomb threat or a hostage situation to someone's house to emergency services. Police show up. They respond often with armed units, SWAT teams. And dangerous things can happen at that point.

I mean, a lot of people are calling that attempted murder because it's a fake call. And so you're seeing this escalation. Here's just some of the headlines here. I know we looked at the videos, but you can also see this in the headlines. Tesla driver allegedly assaulted by fellow motorists. Another one, Vyroville shows Man King, Tesla in Dallas as attacks on a company. Another one, Tesla showroom targeted with incinerary devices. One jailed after incinerated device thrown at Loveland Tesla building.

And then Las Vegas, that was with the videos of all the Tesla's going up in the fire. a man faces state and U.S. arson charges. They caught the person doing that for torching these Teslas. And there's been some investigation into this. So we have a former Wall Street Journal, journalist, Asra Nomani. And she looked into this. She was attended one of the local protests there, the Tesla Takedown protests.

She wrote this article, local Tesla Takedown reveals grassroots protests are AstroTurf. So in her article, she looked at, she basically writes that groups and individuals allied with the Democratic Party have organized 100% of the protests is her reporting. And there's only about 15 organizations or so and their affiliates that are behind all of these protests according to her. So that's one angle on this. But you got to ask yourself, what was the escalation? We know the Doge unit in the U.S.

government was finding they cut a lot of that funding to USAID, which has long been known to be a CIA cutout doing overseas, overseas kind of clandestine regime changes and things like that. very, very un-American things. Which has been like, as Democrats, as Kennedy Democrats, we've always been upset that USAID is what starts these wars and these skirmishes and, you know, gets people assassinated. I mean, yeah, now of a sudden it's like, no, no, it's great for people. This is terrible that we're like shutting it down. I mean, you can convince anybody of anything at this point, it seems.

And we've shown in this show that USAID has been running a lot of censorship as well. the censorship of journalists. And so that's all taxpayer money. And so over this past week, another kind of layer was shown to us, and it looked like this. Take a look. We just went there to find fraud, and we found this by accident.

And this isn't political, by the way. My parents, immigrants, yeah, this country's been great to us. My brother's sister, all born in Spain. I'm pro-legal immigration. This is not political. This is not political. This is about America. and the future of America.

We started the top of the system, mapping the whole system of Social Security to understand where all the fraud was. And there's a lot of great people there that showed us really a lot of waste. And so that came up with a big list of stuff that working on. You've heard some of that already. But this is what jumped out at us. When we saw these numbers, we were like, what is this? In 21, you see 270,000 people goes all the way to 2.1 million in 24.

These are non-citizens that are getting social security numbers. You walk across the border, they do what's called a release your own recognizance, and they give you an NTA and notice to appear, which to appear at a judge. The wait times on judges are like average six years, look at GROC, you'll see it on immigration judges. There's only 700 of them. This is 5.5 million people. So what happens then?

Once you're in the country and you've got asylum, do one of these pathways, and we map the whole thing out, you can apply for a work document. You file a 765, it's the work form, you get this form called the 766, that's the authorization, and then Social Security Administration automatically send you in the mail your Social Security number. No interview, no ID. Look, if I hadn't seen this myself, I'm not sure I'd believed it, I went through it myself and mapped it, and Elon is right, this is true, the defaults in the system from Social Security to all of the benefit programs have been set to max inclusion, max pay for these people. And minimum collection, that's what's happening.

We found 1.3 million of them already on Medicaid as an example. We've gone through every benefit program we went through. We found groups from this particular group of people, this 5.5 million people in those benefit programs. And then what was really, really disturbing us was why. We're asking ourselves why. And so we actually just took a sample and looked at voter registration records. And we found people here registered to vote in this population, yes.

And who did vote? And we found some by sampling that actually did vote. And we have referred them to prosecution at the Homeland Secured Investigation Service. Yeah. Already. Already. That is already happening right now. I mean, I know why there's politicians jumping up and down and screaming bloody murder

because it's clear it's what we suspected, right? Jeffrey, why are you letting all these people across the border? It sure seems like you're trying to figure out. how to get them into the voting system so that you can just buy votes, by buying, you know, asylum for people that most of them aren't even coming here with any sort of fear of danger or retaliation in their own countries. And then you see, you know, 2 million people in one year given Social Security numbers and they're voting.

I mean, this is a horrible story, but I don't know why any citizen is out marching in the streets right now, but they are, and they're burning Teslas and they're out of their minds and they're enraged And I'm not saying they're all burning Teslas, but I would say amongst the Democrats, if you say the word Elon Musk, it's the same. We have now Elon derangement syndrome, the way we've had Trump derangement syndrome. It's really kind of freaky. And some people may still be split on this conversation here and say, well, you know, I don't mind that. These people need a home. But what happens, you know, that's a lot of money. Just you're showing on that chart, like over two million people in just one year. It's a lot of money that people. would come to this country just to just to get for free. And what happens in that vacuum is this as well. And this is where the line really has to be drawn. This is the Department of Homeland Securities Office of the Inspector General. They just put out a report. ICE cannot effectively monitor location and status of all unaccompanied alien children after federal custody. So there's

millions of thousands of children coming up here as well. And you look into this report and it says this for the fiscal year of 2019 to 2023. Remember that was where the floodgates really open. transferred more than 448,000 unaccompanied alien children to HHS most were released to sponsors that's a whole separate conversation like who are these sponsors right but however there more than 31,000 of the 448,000 children's release addresses were blank undeliverable or missing apartment numbers i mean we're talking about the opportunity for major child trafficking operations here so i mean that's a whole separate conversation in this but let's go back really just the tax piece because remember when the Biden administration was in

And just a couple of years ago, we saw this beefing up of the IRS really to come after the, you know, middle class people to make sure they did their taxes. Well, here's journalist Savannah Hernandez. She was in New York at some of the hotels that have been taken over by the migrants there in New York City. And this is her report. Check it out. This is Savannah Hernandez in front of the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City. Now, we wanted to come check in on the migrant crisis. And as we were walking around, we saw a Jackson Hewitt table out here with an employee who was handing out.

Now this flyer, now what this flyer says is working or not, file your taxes, and we can get the maximum refund for your family. And the paper says that if you have one child, you can get over $7,000 in a refund, and if you have up to three children, you can get over 14,000. So the Jackson Hewitt employee who initially handed me this paper, after finding out I was a journalist, took the paper away. That's why this one's so dirty, because a migrant ended up giving me another copy, and he stated that if he's put on camera and this goes out, that legal will have to get involved.

stuff like this like at all the shelters and stuff. But like our company, this is why we try to help people by, you know, providing them with refunds, you know. So you guys are trying to help the migrants with their taxes then to help them get refunds, help them get some money back from the government? Yes. I mean, why does it say even if you're not working, we can get your refunds? I mean, I don't know how that system works. That sounds like some magic then making money out of thin air, but it's not out of the air. It's out of the wallets of American citizens.

And I just want to point out with all of this, we are 30-something trillion dollars in debt. I'm sure there's a very conservative number. We're going, you know, multiple trillions of debt every single year. We're overspending. We're not in a position to just be giving money away. We're not in a position to just be putting people on medical services from other countries. That's the position that I hold right now. I'd like to see us investing in helping other nations be stronger, have, you know, better work.

and laws and rules that make them better places to live. But just to open up your border, it's great to see that it's, I think it's one of the lowest levels of border crossings we've seen probably in my lifetime right now. So something's being done there, but this whole thing is just dividing America. And I don't know why. I don't know why we're not agreed on this right now. Right. And you know, one of the reasons we're talking about this as well is Tesla, Elon Musk is not

going to be there forever. In fact, there's rumors that he'll be exiting soon. So where does that rage go? Once that genie's out of the bottle, does that go now to Kennedy and HHS for firing those employees? I mean, how does this go? Where does this go? Is this super dangerous time? And right now in Idaho, speaking of a fight, a real fight's happening for medical freedom,

there's a bill there right now that is going through session that everyone should really keep an eye on. And where it started was really with Leslie Mnuky. And she's a filmmaker, also a Health Freedom Defense Fund president. And she posted this in February on X. She said, I presented a bill S-1023 to the legislature that would ban all force medicine in Idaho. This great state already bans the COVID shot, but why should any other medical intervention be any different? Medical freedom is a human right. So the state banned the COVID shot.

They have kind of a leading bill there to do that. And this bill was adding onto that. So we look at the bill. And you see it there's talking about businesses. And this is all medicine. They're talking about. No force medicine. But there's only one sentence in there talking about schools.

It says a school operating in the state shall not mandate a medical intervention for any person to attend school, enter campus or school buildings, or be employed by the school. So to keep that in mind. So now we go to the bill passed. People voted for it. The representatives voted for it. It went to the governor's desk. And what did Governor Brad Little do? He vetoed it.

And he posted while he was vetoing it that Idaho has medical freedom. So that's the headline there. Governor Little boast medical freedom in Idaho. Vito's bill to ban vaccine mandates. And then he put out his own statement here. And he says this, medical freedom is an Idaho value. However, this bill removes parents' freedom to ensure their children stay healthy at school

because it jeopardizes the ability of schools to send homesick kids with highly contagious conditions, including measles, measles, lice, ringworm, pink eyes, strep throat, stomach viruses, and flu and other illnesses that disrupt families' lives. It says nothing about that in the bill. So, I mean, it, it's a lot of the bill. from what I can see, it's completely made up what he just wrote right there,

because the bill basically just says that one sentence, and I don't know, I guess this is the real cause of misinformation here, because that bill is now vetoed. I wonder if he gets lobbyists to write his Christmas cards, too. Clearly, he has no idea what he's saying there, because he probably didn't even write that letter either. Yes, and that veto caused now an internal struggle within the power structure of that state.

So we have the Attorney General there. This is Raul Labrador, and he, this is the headline that he's making. Idaho AG Labrador wants lawmakers to override Governor Little Vito of Medical Freedom Bill. And he took to his own webpage, the AG's web page there in Idaho, and he wrote this to check this out. He says, I urge the House and Senate to override the governor's veto of SB 1023 and protect the rights of Idahoians. The Medical Freedom Act is the defining bill of this session, one that would protect Idahoans from government. imposed vaccine and mask mandates. Five years ago, COVID-19 brought chaos, lockdowns, mandates, business closures, school shutdowns, and restrictions that crushed our freedoms.

In hindsight, the damage to our society, children, and economy was far worse than the virus itself. I ran for Attorney General because our state failed to protect our citizens from government overreach. The legislature now has the opportunity to do the right thing. Why isn't your Attorney General talking like that if you're in a state where they're not saying things like that? So what's happened now is the bill is splits. That bill is vetoed. Bill is split to two separate bills now. There's 1210, that's S1210, and that's the original bill that was vetoed, except one caveat was added to it. And it says this, except for any daycare, daycare center, daycare facility, family daycare, daycare, daycare, 24, home or daycare facility, as defined in Section 39 and 1102.

So all of the same rights happen in there, all of those banning any forced medical mandates, except in those locations. Why are those locations different? Well, a lot of people theorize that's where the kids are, and that's how we can get the shots to them, because most kids, the CDC schedule covers most of those kids in daycare, those ages. But there's been some other questioning about a court case at the Idaho Supreme Court on May 5th. And this is Tipton v. New Horizon Academy. And what is this court case? This is a court case of the plaintiff, Tipton, who was trying to bring their child to a daycare center.

they had a religious exemption, and the daycare center would not accept that. So this is being heard in the Idaho Supreme Court. If they lose that case, this is precedent in Idaho then. And wouldn't it be great if there is just a bill that was passed, I don't know, a couple weeks before that case to say, look, the bill even says this and people voted for it. So we can just be done with this court case at that point. But the good news for people in Idaho that want to protect medical freedom is the other bill, H-472. That's HB-472. this morning right before we went on air has passed the House in a vote 46 to 21 now moves to the Senate vote and that's where it's going to stay there we don't know when the Senate vote is going to happen at this point but some good news there from a long drawn-out saga several months in the making in Idaho but

what's the difference on the bill what does that bill done that's different from the original that bill is the same language as the original bill that was vetoed the only thing is it enshrines so what what Governor Little was concerned about that parents can't send their kids home, it actually just reasserts that code, the health code saying, oh yeah, you can. So don't worry about that. Right. So they can send them home. They can send the kids home.

Yeah. So they just said, we're going to answer that question. We'll put it in the bill if that's a problem for you. And let's move that along. So it seems like that's gaining traction. Some other bills across the country that are gaining traction in Utah, there was speculation that the governor there, Spencer Cox, may sign this bill. He has Utah bans fluoride in public drinking water.

A first in the U.S. This is a major move. decades, almost, it's almost a half century in the making. And that's not it. That's not over with the fluoride conversation. We had the fluoride Action Network. They took to X and they posted this picture. These are all the counties and municipalities. Fifty-four serving water nearly eight million people have now ended or suspended water fluoridation. The most recent one, Miami-Dade, and this is the headline coming out of there, Miami-Dade Commission votes to remove fluoride from drinking water. But will the mayor veto? We got to keep an eye on what he's going to do. And even

Joe Lodipo there, the surgeon general, took to X with this post because he was a big, he actually testified in that bill in Miami-Dade. He said, what a win for the people today. The Miami-Dade County Commission voted to stop Floridaating their water. Rob Gonzalez, that's the Miami-Dade County Commissioner, courageous leadership and all who supported him made this possible. Current science supports this decision, and it's a good day for medical freedom. So the tide is turned across America, and you can see it in almost every state and every county, and people are not giving up when they, the bills are defeated as well by governors or if they're not being signed or they're vetoed that people are still pushing. So this is really good news for people that like medical freedom.

I agree. I mean, look at the beauty. Florida is just becoming this beacon of light in this country. Hopefully other states are competing there. I know here in Texas we're trying to get a lot of this legislation pushed through fluoride, a big discussion here. Very exciting. I think what was his name? Is it Senator or the governor in Utah that beat at it? Yeah, Spencer, Spencer Cox in Utah. Congratulations to him. Brilliant, brilliant work. Just amazing to see these people stepping up and they deserve credit for. But look at the, like you said, for 50 years we've been talking about fluoride. Years ago, we were talking about the hearings. And now suddenly, you know, and it's just a part of the culture and the energy of what's happening. We were in a very different time now.

to get as much work done while we've got this wind at our backs. It won't be here forever. Obviously, there's a lot of screaming and yelling at there, but luckily, these government officials are listening to the real voice, which is the voice of the moms that are out there. Those have been fighting forever. All those warrior moms, man, we wouldn't be here without them. So amazing. Jeffrey, great reporting. Super interesting time to be alive. I look forward to seeing you next week. All right. Thanks, tell. I take care. You know, a lot of times we talk. about our legal actions, the wins that we have, the FOIA requests that we're bringing. It's a huge part of the work that we do at ICANN. Like I said, the investigations are top-notch.

We have worldwide. We have specialist experts that are weighing into us from all over the world, keeping us up to date ahead of the story, if you will. But also the legal work, Aaron Siri and his team, the FOIA request he brings and the lawsuits that he brings gives us so much powerful information and you never know exactly how it's going to be used. But when it comes to autism, something that we've done a lot of work on in vaccines, that is now really coming to ahead here in America. The conversation, obviously, around HHS. There's a lot of talk going on. But Robert Kennedy Jr. in an interview discussed, you know, obviously it's autism. I want to make sure that we know it's autism Awareness Day, very, very important. But Robert Kennedy Jr. put

out a video where he was talking to a reporter. And he said, look, I know they say there's mountains of evidence, but there's not evidence that the vaccine, certainly the first six months of life, there's never been a study that shows that it causes autism. Well, where that come from? That came from the work that you funded right here. The CDC fails to produce to support its claim that vaccines given during the first six months of life do not cause autism. That was March 5th of 2020. It's now 2025. These things, you never know where they're going to play. out, but we put out a little video. I was out on the road and my team called me and said, can you just quickly like wrap this all together in a video? So this is what that looked like.

Take a look. For the people who are asking questions about whether or not they'll vaccinate their kids or whether they should vaccinate their kids, will anything change about vaccine policy? Everything's going to change because we're going to have good information. People said to during that hearing, oh, well, this link between autism and vaccines have been disproven. None of the vaccines that are given during the first six months of life have ever been tested. What Robert Kennedy Jr. just said is absolutely true. How do I know that? Well, our nonprofit, the informed consent action network, actually brought this lawsuit against the CDC, and this is exactly what we found. We have just settled and won another.

case. Let me explain how this lawsuit works. Since it appears that we're giving these childhood vaccines, the first six vaccines being hepatitis B, Hib, Prevner, D-TAP, and Polio, we give it over and over and over again in multiple doses over the first six months. And since you said you have done studies on all vaccines, first of all, in a FOIA request, we would simply just like to see the studies that show that vaccines don't cause autism. I mean, geez, you got Paul Offit out there saying, we've got mountains and mountains of these studies. They're everywhere.

This should have been easy. But guess what? They didn't really respond for a while. We pressed them. And then they gave us a link to their website. We said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're not going to get away with that. Well, guess what?

They didn't want to do it. Which makes you start wondering, why? Why don't they want to provide those studies? Well, we took them to federal court and we won the case. They gave us the list. It's actually 20 studies. Twenty total studies make up the entire list. This is not a mountain.

This is a molehill. This is an embarrassment. Here are the 20 studies they provided. Now remember, we're asking questions about D-TAP, Hib, Hep B, Prevnar, and and polio, okay? So we should be seeing studies, I'm assuming, on D-TAP, Hib, Hepi, Prevnar, and Polio, right? Wrong.

The first one, that's an MMR study, okay? The second one, an MMR and a D-TAP study. The next ones, MMR, these four are MMR and thimerosol studies. Again, we have MMR and thimerosol studies. And then the next, all the way through to 20, So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, from 7 to 20 are all just thimerosol studies. And lastly, we have one antigen study. There you have it.

We've heard about mountains and mountains of studies and tons and tons and millions of children by every single news pundit in the world. But their lie, they could not provide a single one. Not one. Isn't that shocking? It is shocking. And finally, Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to do something about it. All right. Well, look, we are doing a lot to while we have, I said, the wind at our backs. So much that we're trying to expand and get into the social media space. Because we know a lot of you, you love this show.

But look at all the places that you can now share the work that we're doing for Highwire on X. We have at Highwire Talk at Highwire Plus and at Jeffrey Jackson on Instagram. lower slash highwire official highwire plus and at real jeffrey jackson and of course you can always follow me and i'm sharing a lot of different things and the things that i'm up to at del big tree at both x and on instagram those are all shorter videos like that so that you can share them with your friends if you want to and i want to announce one other big thing that we've been working really hard at so many of you love watching this show on your television i know a lot of Lots of you do it on TV, I mean, on your phones, but you can watch on the highwire.com,

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It's been a lot of great work. to my team. It looks beautiful, super high definition, all of it. So this is what, when you're sponsoring what we're doing, you know your news is lying to you. They're still lying to you. Whether if you're paying a cable bill, you're paying for that news that's lying to you. But right here, this is where you have found the truth. This is where the greatest experts in the world show up to share the information that they get censored for in other places. And this is where we do the investigations that somewhere down the road, a future HHS secretary may just pick it up and say, I'm going to do something about this. That's what's happening right now. We have lots of

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I want to thank all of you that were donating all the way back in 2020. By the way, there was a very important show. I could go on and on. But that lawsuit win was the first time I ever talked to all of you about donating. Prior to that moment when we were in there, we had all moved to Texas. We were running from California. We were trying to get a show where we knew we'd be safe. We knew censorship was coming.

But we were having issues with funding. And we brought that case forward and said, hey, we just found out that they cannot prove. By the way, of those 20 studies, none of them mentioned, you know, all of the six vaccines that are given in the first six months of life, you might have heard DTAP, that purple one, MMR plus DTAP. You know what's fascinating about that study? That study actually said it could only find one study on DTAP that exists in the entire world, and that study showed that there was a causal connection to the DTAP and autism discussion. but they wrote the evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid, or acetylure pertussus containing vaccines and autism. The committee reviewed one study to evaluate the risk of autism after the administration of DETAP vaccine. This one study, the Geyer and Geyer's study from 2004, was not considered in the weight of epidemiologic evidence because it provides data from a passive surveillance system and lacked an unvaccinated comparison population.

What is that data that passive surveillance system? The VAIR system. I mean, this is the whole, this is the run around you get, right? They only have one system to capture, you know, all of these injuries. If you use it, they say that's not a good system. Happens to be the one they built, the only one they use, we could go on and on, but we are going to change all of that over these next couple of years. High wire is dedicated to change that.

I can is dedicated to change that, but we need your help. All this is very expensive. It takes lawsuits. It takes priority requests. It takes media. It takes reporters. It takes investigators. This is becoming a very, very important mission. And frankly, as I've said time and time again, right now, we have got to win this now. The wind is at our backs. I hope you'll help us do that. All right. I'm really excited for this next guest. First of all, she's a blast to talk to. But one of the things, I mean, I honestly, I got like four things of yogurt. We got Kiefer in our house.

I got sourcrout. I'm wondering, does kombucha? And like, at a certain point, do you ask yourself, like, with all the, I'm trying to get probiotics because I hear it's really important. Does all this work? Should I be doing all at the same time? What if I was just eating nothing but probiotics? What does that do? Well, you know, this is why we are acting like that because everyone's talking about you. You've got to get your probiotics. Take a look. You've heard the term probiotics. Probiotics are live microorganisms, basically bacteria and sometimes. yeast that gives some sort of positive health benefit to the person taking. The probiotic industry was built upon the need to reboot bifidobacteria because all of the science that suggests that the more bifidobacteria you have,

the healthier you have. And there's one microbe that can actually create some serious benefits. The lactobacillus bifidobacterium, which is in yogurt. New research shows eating yogurt with probiotics may actually help people with hypertension, hypertension to lower their blood pressure. The good bacteria in your gut are there not only to keep your bowels healthy and happy, but they also have an indirect benefit to every other part of your body, including your heart and your brain. Your appetite, even, you probably want to keep your microbiome as healthy and diverse as possible.

So how do we do that? You want to consume probiotic-rich foods like yogurt. Yogur is one of the best sources of probiotics. All right, well, I am honored to be joined right now with Dr. Sabine Hazan. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you. Thank you for having me.

It's really good to have you. For those, I mean, you're getting pretty famous on this issue over the last couple of years. We're finally talking about the gut biome. That must feel pretty good. Yeah, finally, finally, because immunity starts in the gut, right? Right. So we need to start looking at what we're eating.

We need to start looking at what we're doing, how stressed we are, how not stressed we are. Yeah. But for someone that might be seeing you for the first time, what's your background? Like, what was it? So I'm a gastroenterologist by trade. I have a niche, which is basically I used to do clinical trials for pharmaceutical companies.

Okay. So I was the girl that was hired by pharma to bring products to market, remade, prolosec, you name it. Okay. So, you know, 300 clinical trials plus later. Were they all based on the gut, though? No, we did cholesterol, drugs. We did psoriasis. You know, we were a clinical research organization.

So we really helped farmmen. bring good products to market. And my motto was always a good product goes out because that's the research of the day. And a bad product, if it's not safe, needs to stay back, right? So that was my model. When we, as a gastroenterologist, I was always known for a little bacteria

called Clostridium difficile, which you get from antibiotics. And so essentially, I was the top recruiter in pharma for this bacteria. Okay. When this bacteria, we couldn't fix with C-DIF, right? C-diff, yeah. So I would enter the patients in clinical trials, and when they couldn't be fixed with the drug du jour, I would basically do fecal transplant, the process of taking stools. And that was kind of my little niche, right, that I had created. So I was known for that.

Fecal transplant, the process of taking stools from a healthy donor, putting it into an unhealthy to fix C-diff. When pharma became a product of crop soil or poop in a pill, I started asking questions. And I started saying, wait, we're in the poop business and we have no idea with how we're doing. Right. So let me look into the microbiome. So from gastroenterology to doing clinical trials for pharma to now really doing clinical trials on the microbiome. So that's... So you were doing these, you know, fecal transplants.

and it works for a lot of C-DIF. Yes. But you didn't really know why completely. Is that right? I mean, you had a sense. There's a biome that's reintroducing, but what biome exactly? And should your biome be good for this patient, right? And what is it that's in the biome that's changing the disease?

And what happened was really a discovery. The discovery was that C. diff, think about it, I was trying to kill C. diff for 20 years doing clinical trials. You know, we gave it vancomycin, we gave it flageal, we gave it phythromycin, we kept killing it, killing it. And then the era of monoclonal antibodies, you know, we did that study, and that was helping, but only some. And then why was fecal transplant helping 92 to 99% of the patients? And what it was is that we didn't understand C. diff. Diff. Why didn't we understand it? Because we kept killing it and in killing that little bug, we were killing the whole microbiome. So in essence, you see a patient with C-diff, you're giving

him one antibiotic, you're seeing their diversity is like three, two, and then you give it another antibiotic for the reoccurrence, and then the diversity drops of microbes. So you could see the progression of giving antibiotics killing the diversity little by little, but you missed the microbe. So in essence, these antibiotics are aiming at this microbe, and they keep missing it. So it's like taking a machete and trying to hit a mosquito, and you're missing the mosquito. But you've just demolished your whole house, right? So what fecal transplant does is replenish the microbes, put in the diversity to suppress the microbe. What we discovered also, our lapargenibium, was that all, the majority of people out there have C-DIF in their guts.

Really? I was one of those. And when I looked at my microbiome, I said, well, that's interesting. I have C-Div. Maybe it's because I'm exposed to patients with C-Div, and therefore I probably got some bugs from them, right? But then you start analyzing family members, colleagues, et cetera. And we had the largest study, thousands of patients. 99% of them had non-toxicienic C. diff in their gut, right?

Really? So what it told us was basically that little microbe is essential. It's probably doing something. And when you kill the diversity, you kill the genus, the families, the other species, it basically starts going all over your gut and starts secreting its toxins. Much like a garden. If I have a garden full of fruits and vegetables, and I have a bunch of weeds, and then little by little, I removed my strawberries and my blueberries, et cetera, and pretty soon the weeds are going to go all over the garden, and you can't grow anything with weeds, right? So it's the same principle in the microbiome with your gut.

So that was a huge learning for me. Yeah, amazing. All right. Well, you know, most of us don't want to be doing fecal transplants, so we're like, how do I get that good bacteria? something that is really pretty new in medicine. It's been huge. It exploded. We've talked about this before, but, you know,

it was really only in what last 15, 20 years, we've really started hearing, you know, probiotics and buying them in stores. And, you know, we were always getting yogurt, but nobody talked about the fact that it had a benefit to it like that. And for me, it was kind of a discovery with COVID, right? Because we stepped into COVID. We were the lab that found COVID in the stools. And then from there, discovering that the people that had loss of bifidobacteria were the most severe COVID patients.

And the people that were high risk exposed, never got bifidobacteria. I mean, never got COVID had a lot of bifidobacteria. Wow. So when that happened, that was the importance of bifidobacteria. Bithidobacteria for me became like, whoa, what's going on? Where is bifidobacteria? What is bifidobacteria? You know, you turn your bottle of probiotics, bifidobacteria is in the back of it, right?

So when we started looking at bifidobacteria, we realized that bifidobacteria was absent in kids with autism, that bifidobacteria was absent in Alzheimer's. Bifidobacteria was absent in long haulers, vaccine injured, Lyme patients, Crohn's patients, invasive cancer. So, and then when you look at who has bifidobacteri, the newborns have a lot of cancer. lot of bifidobacteria, old people have zero bifidobacteria. Nursing home, dying, zero bifidobacteria. So when that happened... Is that a natural course of aging or is it a natural course of being in a world that's, I mean, when we look at glyphosate, it's an antibiotic. Are we getting antibiotics

on a daily basis we're not even thinking about? Or if we went back 100 years, do you think you'd find bifida bacteria in an elderly person? That would be an amazing experiment to do to go back. But I think the process of aging is really this loss of bifidobacteria. I think we have, you know, expanded, you know, if you look at and you believe the Bible, you know, people lived a lot longer in the olden days during biblical times, then we are right now. We're barely making it to 70-80 and not really healthy 70-80. You know, the mind starts going. So is the mind starting to go because of the loss of bifidobacteria? And when you start looking at, well, what improves bifidobacteria, right?

So our lab discovered vitamin C improves bifidobacteria. Our lab discovered bovine immunoglobulins, the blood of the cow spun around, that clear stuff, provided that the cow is not, you know, is not on a lot of antibiotics, is not given a lot of hormones, it's not given like thousands of vaccines. So when you start looking at all that, you start seeing the importance of bifidobacteria, And you start seeing, like even me, you know, with progena biome, looking at the stool samples before the pandemic, during the pandemic and after the pandemic, there is a lot of disappearance of bifidobacteria.

Is that why we're having an increase in Alzheimer's, increase in cancer? Have we demolished this bifidobacteria? So to me, that's a very important microbe that I believe is our longevity. longevity if we can retain it. And it's not easy to retain in a world that's toxic in a way. And in a world where we are, you know, put, you know, given media full of stress, where we are divided, where we are, you know, constantly nervous of the next pandemic or the next virus. You know, it's, it's almost like this bottle that you're shaking and it's full of gas. And you just need to put it on the counter and let it just calm down, right?

So yes, I think that's, it's a very important microbe. Well, I think a lot of us feel like, you know, we're, I mean, I would say a good portion of my audience are pretty on top of things now. They're out. They're eating, you know, yogurt. They've got yogurt or some form of kefir. So they should be covered. At least they think they're covered. But you decided to look into that a little bit.

Yeah. So what happened to me was during the pandemic was really an experiment. Remember, I'm the girl that owns the genetic lab. and so I get to test my stools on a regular basis. And I killed my bifidobacteria accidentally. Your own personal? My own personal. So I had a lot of bifidivore.

That must have been a horrific moment. Well, my center of my universe and I put it to myself. Yes. And what was so funny is I discovered the vitamin C improved the bifidobacteria through me because I was analyzing my microbiome and I saw I had a good amount of bifidobacteria. and I was panicking during the pandemic because you saw the media, everybody was dying, and I kind of thought, oh my God, I'm going to die. I didn't want to go to hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin or any route.

I said, look, I know my vitamin C always saves me from viruses. I'm just going to take vitamin C. So I took enormous amount of vitamin C, which is probably above the regular that you need. And my biferoxian, my scientist said, have you looked at your bifidobacteria? Because it quadrupled. Really? Really? He goes, what did you do? I go, I took vitamin C for 10 days. And then I tested. And I go, quadruptole, really? Okay. Let me call my buddies all the naturopath and doctors that are big in vitamins. And I say, hey, guys, I need baseline of patients before we give them vitamin C. And then I want you to give them this level, you know, dosage of vitamin C. And then let's test a microbeautom before and after. So I just took it upon myself, spent the money. I said, let's just do it. I want to see if I'm right and what I saw in me as an N of one was right.

And sure enough, when we published and we saw the data, vitamin C does increase the bifidobacteria. When you look back at how they make these probiotics, that's what they use as a nutrient. When you look back at the in vitro studies, that's how they grew the bifidobacteria. So it made sense that in the humans, it would increase. Okay.

So that was the first discovery. Then, you know, I started doing certain things. you know, we're scientists, we're exposed to COVID, and I had a high level of bifidobacteria. I found COVID in my stools at some point, and my bifidobacteria was super high, never had any symptoms, never had a positive PCR. But I freaked out and, of course, started taking medications because I got to kill the bifidobacteria because they told me bifidobacteria. I mean, they told me COVID was going to kill the bifidobacteria. And that's what we thought at the beginning. When we started looking at the lost microbes of COVID, we thought, well, COVID, you know, enters and kills

your microbiome. Right. Up to a point, had I done nothing, my bifidobacteria would have sustained me. Because I killed it in an effort to kill COVID in the stools, I also killed my bifidobacteria. So when that happened, yes, I freaked out. So I said, okay, I'm going to calm down, I'm going to relax, I'm going to eat yogurt, I'm going to drink a gallon of kefir. So I'm drinking a gallon of kefir a day.

And lo and behold, there's no bifidobacteria. It's not coming back up. How is that possible that I'm drinking a gallon of kefir, and my bifidobacter is not coming up? So I decided to test the kefir. Of course, at that point, I drove my scientist crazy because now we have to switch gears from testing stools to now yogurt and drink.

So that's a different pipeline. So I said, no, I've got to know. So he said, yeah, there's no bifidobacteria in that kiefer. So I said, what? So here I am. It says it on the bottle. It says it on the bottle. So here I am telling my high influential clientele of patients, hey, drink kefir and do vitamin

C, do vitamin D, do all this, right? But the kefir doesn't even have bifidobacteria. So then I took myself, I went to the stores around Malibu, Westlake, Ventura. I'm looking at every single yogurt. Where's bifidobacteria? I put them in the cart. I bring it to my scientist, and I'm like, we're testing all these 26 yogurts. And he says to me, he goes, we're dealing with Crohn's one minute.

We're dealing with autism another. Now you're into yoghards. What the hell? No, we're food reserves. So we were shocked. I was shocked when I saw that three out of the 26 yogurts had bifidobacteria. Really? And here's one of the products actually had a bacteria, be serious, that gives you vomiting and diarrhea.

So not only, so it was obviously improperly processed, et cetera. So here you think you're doing something right by drinking this yogurt. But if it's the wrong yogurt, the wrong kefir, you don't have. And it's never going to grow. So we basically published that. We published it as an abstract with the American College of Gastro. Very difficult to publish these days because censorship is everywhere. So the one thing we can count on is publishing at the American College of Gastro.

And so we won one of the research awards for the – And everybody was excited about this study because this is something that you can – you know, you see all these studies, fatty liver, you know, at the American College of Gastro. Yeah. You know, biologics and things that are for pharma. And so it was exciting for gastroenterologists to see something that was applicable. Yeah. And so that's where we are.

Yeah. So I just, yeah. Here's the graph, relative abundance of Biffin. Yeah, tell me what we're looking at here. So basically those are the 26 yogurts. And you could see three of them have adequate. They're good. You told me I'm not going to tell you who because you don't want to get into some legal issue with all the ones that are or not, I'm assuming.

Yes, well, there's two reasons why I don't want. One, I didn't test every yogurt around the country. I didn't test every kefir around the country. Only one sample of each. Only in one region. Could have been, you know, they didn't mix it properly and that yogurt, et cetera. So I don't think I should, you know, impact the whole industry. Okay.

Of yogurts and probiotics. But essentially what I did with this study and the importance of this study for me was showcasing that we have a problem. showcasing that nobody's watching our foods. And that was important to me because, you know, I always felt that the FDA, that's their job, right? Yeah. But when you, and I've had the- I mean, if it's on the label, you're assuming they're making sure-

Yeah, somebody's checking, there's an independent lab, something, right? When the FDA, you know, comes regularly in my office, sadly, and, you know, that's part of research and doing research, I asked the FDA, I said, are you checking? checking these yogurts? Are you checking? They're like, no, doctor, we don't have the manpower to check all these products. And so they don't.

They do their best, you know, they check the paperwork, they check the GMP facility, good manufacturer products. So they check all that, but they don't check the product to actually see, is there a bit of bacteria? Is the label accurate? Because to me, that's label misleading the consumer. And if the label is misleading the consumer, you're not. sick you're thinking well you know my kid has autism I'm gonna give him

doctor he hasn't said loss of bifidobacteria is present in autism maybe I'll give him a yogurt right that has bifidobacteria maybe I'm gonna buy these drinks that have bifidobacteria so you're thinking you know this is the way to heal my kid but it's not and so the the consumer needs to have proper yogurt so what I felt like you know when I when I did this paper was, look, ultimately my job is to showcase the data to the public, right, to the patient. So when the patient comes in and one of my notorious celebrity patient who will remain nameless came to me with a $27 bottle of probiotics, he goes, this one's the best. You're going to love it.

I go, okay, give it to me, I'll put it in the batch, right? Well, that $27 probiotic didn't have any bifidobacteria. This is one of those refrigerated caps. Yeah, refrigerated drinks. Oh, drinks. Drink with like bifidobacteria in there, no bifidobacteria in there. So even when you buy these expensive products that you've been sold with the marketing, doesn't mean they have bifidobacteria. So here's what I took. Do you have other good bacterias, I'm assuming, or is bifida the only way you care about?

Well, Bifida, that's what I care about. That's what I'm following when I'm seeing treatment improving. When I see, you know, a kid with autism, severely autistic doesn't speak. you know, that's one of the first microbes I look at. Obviously, there's a lot more of autism. You know, there's an overgrowth of bad microbes. There's, you know, different microbes within different families, different cultures, have different foods, which affects the microbiome and the bifidobacteria. But for me, in general, I tend to care about the regrowth of the bifidobacteria. So when, and in that patient in particular, you know, that was important for me to have an increase in

the bifidobacteria, but to that person, he realized, he, she realized that this bifidobacteria was not in this drink and he was doing everything wrong. So he had to kind of re-change his position to get himself better. And so I think it's important not to mislead the consumer. And if I, as a physician, and I'm sure a lot of, you know, naturopaths out there and a lot of herbalists and a lot of physicians, functional medicine physicians are not reaching their improvement on certain diseases even though they're doing testing and everything because they don't know. They haven't tested the products. And I always tell this, it's not necessarily just the yogurt industry or the kefir, but it's also the probiotics.

Think about the probiotics. 16 out of 17 do not have bithidobacteria in the capsule. So C's 17 capsules. Yes, and 16 out of them. And here's, you know, so I'm testing randomly. I don't need to say it. My patients see for themselves. Because what I do with my patients when I test their microbiome is I basically say, look, I want your stools on probiotics.

Let's see what you're doing. Let's see what the probiotics show. Is it in your stools? Is it not in your stools? And inevitably, when they've been taking these expensive probiotics for like two months, and there's not even a sequence of bithidobacteria in there, We have a problem. So guess what happens?

Word of mouth PR. You know, the consumer tells, you know, calls, the patient calls his friend, his other friend. And then word of mouth PR. I always say if a product is good, you don't need to advertise for it. Because word of mouth PR will say it. And that's what happens. So these companies that are selling these products out there, I don't need to be the ones saying, okay, well, this yogurt is good, this yogurt is not good.

because ultimately the patient's going to know and then the word's going to get out and these companies are going to have to change their methods. So I don't want to destroy the companies. I want them to say, I want to say, look, somebody's paying attention, you know? And if somebody's paying attention, she's telling her patients and they're telling other patients, et cetera, et cetera. So essentially, and then the other thing about probiotics is you may be drinking a gallon of kefir, but that doesn't mean it's implanting in your gut. Right. So I don't want people thinking, well, this is the way to do it.

So the advertisement of yogurt came from a study that showed that if you drink yogurt, you decrease your rate of cancer, colon cancer. But here's the problem. They didn't test the yogurt, which yogurt did the patients take. Did they test the patient's microbiome? Remember, we saw loss of the fibithidobacteria in invasive cancer. So why is a yogurt not helping people, even the right yogurt, why is it not helping people with invasive cancers? Because it's more complicated than that.

It's complicated in the sense that, look, whatever's in this cup that I'm about to drink, you talked about fluoride, right? If there's fluoride in my glass and I'm taking my probiotics with that glass of water with fluoride, well, I've just killed my... my microbiome, right? So it doesn't matter that I'm putting in the bifidobacteria and then I'm killing it in other ways. So ultimately everything we do, from breathing the air, from our stress level, from a cream we put in our skins,

everything we do affects the microbiome. And so it's up to us to be diligent and to do our best. But here's an advice that I give to everybody. If you're healthy and you're doing something that's keeping you healthy and you've survived the pandemic, keep doing what you're doing. Because you're healthy, you're focused, you're happy, you're perfect. You don't even need testing because you know in your gut feeling that what you're doing is the right thing, right? I don't need to test my microbiome on a regular basis.

I do it because I'm kind of control. Because you're crazy. Well, I'm, you know, I like to know, right? I mean, I went to Italy. We're all jealous. No, no, I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know I you know my husband says I'm the most expensive wife because it's it's more expensive to test the microbiome than to buy shoes at Whatever you know expensive stores tell me about that if I want a test Is that a test I can get in any like a quest or what? No, no so the testing is still the testing is still in a research Progena biome is a research a genetic sequencing lab that's research only we give people a consent because I didn't want to So your company does it? Yes, we do it. Yes.

So you could get it checked. Okay. And so what we do is, but you have to sign a consent. Okay. That basically it's a 20 plus page consent. And what it does is it allows you to basically get tested on the research. And then when I tell you what I see, it's in research. It's what I can say you've been informed.

You know, informed consent is important. Yeah. So I didn't want to be... This isn't a standard thing people are doing. No, no, no, no. No, no, because we don't know. The microbiome is trillions of microbes. I don't want to be the lab that's basically giving a report to a patient.

And there's a lot of labs out there. And you remember Ubiome, the lab that was indicted by the feds because they were triple-billing Medicare. But on the other hand, their testing was not necessarily up to part. Because when you test the stools, the same stool sample, and actually that was shown by an influencer tested the same stool sample got different results. So if your lab is testing is not validated, right there you have a problem. Then here's the second problem because I know somebody introduced me to you by them years ago, my neighbor. And he came to me and said, you know, you're doing the microbiome research. But look, this company's already doing it and look at all

these microbes. And I literally looked at the report and I said, what's back to Orides Volgatus? What's Alistapestepie's find Goldie? What does it do? Is that a good bug? Is that a bad bug? So I had all these questions. And then the other thing that I Question was how legit is it to give a report to a patient on microbes we as physicians and scientists Have no idea what they're doing what it means So I felt it needed to be very much research and so we do an informed consent We charge half of the price because we go super deep So the testing that we do is whole genome sequencing which means we look at the entire micro

remember we were the lab that found COVID in its entirety. So when we look and we find bifidobacteria, it's a genetic sequence, and it tells us all the reeds, how many bifidobacteria it is in there, in the stools, in that tiny piece of stool sample, that's the size of a fingernail. And it gives us relative abundance. So the genetic sequences. Yeah, this is, so I made it colorful. Yeah.

But what you see here is basically every column is an individual. So these are like 29 healthy volunteers that said they were healthy. Yeah. And you could see they're all different. Right. Now, you know that humanity is all different. We're all species. We're all different.

But we're also all different in our fingerprints. That's how we're able to know who's who on a crime scene. They're able to know the fingerprints. Well, the stool sample is also very much similar. So if you can have a fingerprint or a signature might. that I like to call it, right? So that fingerprint microbiome is who you are. Now, a good genetic sequencing lab will show you your stools day one, month one, a year. If you don't change anything, and believe me, I've been that guinea pig on the front line, if I don't change anything,

it's still my signature. I will be able to write, you could put a million samples or a thousand samples together. I'll say, oh, here I am. And by the way, you know, this was very, this was very, very validated in my own house because somebody plugged the toilet and I knew who the culprit was. So it's detective work, right? So when you have that signature microbiome, you can kind of have a good baseline. And once you change something, you give someone vitamin C, you give someone Ivermectin, then you see the changes. So it's really you're comparing the patient. What is Ivermectin do, by the way? I'm concerned about it. Like we're all kind of, it's doing, I mean, there's some amazing things going on. Does it affect bifidavacter?

So we showed, our data showed that ivermectin increases the bifidobacteria within 24 hours. Because I would think it would be the opposite. You would think of it as wiping out. Because it's an antiparacetic. Right, it's anti-paracetic. So here's the thing. When you look at ivermectin, it's streptomyces, which is the, it's a fermented product of a bacteria that comes from, that's in the same phylum, the same group of microbes that share. one thing in common as bifidobacteria.

So I wrote a hypothesis at the beginning of the pandemic because I remember I was doing the clinical trials with hydroxychloroquine ZPag, vitamin CD and zinc. And I was giving patients placebo or the drug, right? That was watched by the FDA. So we had a placebo-controlled trial during the pandemic. People were crashing during the pandemic on my trial. I didn't want to, you know, people come to me,

trust me to save them. I put them on a trial. My responsibility is to still try. Yeah, and they're dying. I'm not going to. It's a bit like as a journalist, I've had moments where when I was in Haiti and had the earthquake and you're like, do I get the shot of the kid the crushed leg or do I drop, you know, and is someone going to save them?

Yeah. Or do I drop the camera and save them? And for me, it was so important, for my own confidence, treating all these patients. It was so important for me not to lose anyone during the pandemic. I lost no one. No one died on my shift. I treated some of the worst cases that were hypoxic. We actually published that paper saying we treated combination therapy and hypoxic patients improved.

And that paper was retracted. It come to find out that it was owned by a publishing house that went above the peer reviewer and the editor and just retracted it. It's a private, I call there in Syria, actually. I said, I want to sue, I want to go after them. And he's like, you can't. It's a private publishing house. They cannot do anything. So I said, okay, well, I'm going to republish,

and I'm going to keep continuing to republish because that data was a key finding during the pandemic, right? Because I had this trial, placebo controlled on hydroxychloroquine Z-Pact, vitamin CD and zinc. And one of my patients crashed, chronic renal failure, diabetic, you know, horrible comorbidities. Oxygen dropped in the 70s, 60s, I had given him ivermectin doxycycline zinc

because I said, well, if one, I'm blinded to this trial, but now they're off the trial. I'm going to give them the open label. So I gave him ivermectin doxycycline, the prescription that he had it. He's on his way to the hospital. I go, why don't you stop and get some French fries,

fried food, and take the 36 milligrams of ivermectin. Now, it took courage for me, not knowing, to me, this guy was on his way to the hospital, he was going to be dead. So it took courage for me to say, take 36 milligrams right away with the French fries. He did. And, you know, of course, I'm working with Dr. Tom Barrowdy, who's the father of fecal transplant in Australia. So he was giving me courage. He's like, it's safe.

Go for it. Do it. And I'm like, Dr. Barotti, you're not on the front line. I have FDA watching me. I have all this. So anyway, so I decided, I said, okay, take the 36 milligrams. He arrives at the hospital. Oxygen was in the 70s, 60s, he arrives at the hospital.

Oxygen is 92%. Now remember, I'm watching this guy the whole, because everybody, you know, when I, on Twitter or X now, at the time it was Twitter, I basically said hypoxic patient, you know, pray for me. And what happened is I said, wow, improved is saved. somebody said, well, the oxymeter is false, right? You probably got a one reading. I followed this guy from Ventura to him arriving at the hospital and him picking up his French fries,

and I took pictures of his oxygen saturation, okay? So this was not a flu, this was not an oxymeter problem. This was the rise of oxygen with giving ivermectin. So when that happened, I went back to the books, And I said, what's Ivermectin? Right? Because. Before we get to the Ivermectin, I'm sure the entire audience says, why, the French fries.

Because if there's a single reason you could give us that make French fries a good thing, I'm sure they want to hear it right now. So, Ivermectin, the fermented product of this bacteria, streptomyces, is actually absorbed with fat. Okay. So if you give it with fat, it increases the absorption. And those were the studies that were done initially by Merck, to... to showcase that Ivermectin needed to be given with fat. When the protocol that destroyed Ivermectin by University of Minnesota, Dr. Bullware,

they gave it on an empty stomach. Well, it's not gonna absorb as well as if you give it with fat. So right away, that was a div- when I saw that protocol didn't work, I said, well, you gave it the wrong way. You should have given it with a fatty meal to increase the absorption.

So what I started doing was one of my patients, I have to say honestly, like I'm sitting here thinking, I think this may be the most informative interview I've done. Like, is everyone like checklux? Okay, Ivermectin check, vitamin C, check. Fat with Ivermetic, I mean, it's really super cool. It was all research. It was really research that was, to me, was unbiased because I wanted to see the truth.

Yeah. And so when, and I was the guinea pig again who took Ivermectin. Yeah. So I saw my bifidobacteria go up with ivermectin. But here's the problem. It doesn't sustain it. So you got to keep continuing. to take ivermectin and we don't know long-term the effects of ivermectin we don't know the dosages

so is it that you know and and you saw cancer studies that they're trying to bring ivermectin to the product right as a product but the problem is this ivermectin is a cheap drug back in the days so my sister dr lydia has on who had five clinical sites and had over 500 clinical trials for pharma actually brought ivermectin to the market she if you go over her you'll see a video where she's recruiting patients with scabies and lice and so when ivermectin became some family you must have had you we're all doctors we're like nine yeah yeah i know bugs microbes you do i did not want to do i did not want to do the scabies she paid she wanted to pay me a lot of money i'm like i'm not doing scabies i'm not doing lies could you imagine with my hair i'm

not doing it so anyway she had to hire other doctors for that but the bottom line is she gave it to babies with scabies okay so how does a drug become safe for babies with scabies when it's in patent right and then it becomes generic and it's no longer safe for dying patients with an oxygen of 62 percent one of the most unbelievable story so yeah so when i saw the core you know bifidobacteria ivermectin streptomyces all of that and i saw in myself that it increased the bifidobacteria, I said, that's how it happens. So then again, I called my colleagues and I said, whoever's given ivermectin, I want a baseline stool sample, and I want to post Ivermectin. And so we published, we didn't publish it in a journal because again, controversial,

not a drug you can make money off. So we published it as an abstract at ACG. And, you know, it's, I'm the most controversial person. Are these things, vitamin C, Ivermectin, do you have to have the bifida bacteria in you are ready to help it grow or can it appear from nowhere? I mean if I don't have it if it's gone and I'm taking vitamin C does it bring it does my body create it like where does it come from so what remember when I killed mine I had zero okay nothing and then I saw I reappear with vitamin C okay are there some remnants that we didn't pick up are there like the precursor of the bifidobacteria that we didn't test I mean all those are great questions I think that's the future to kind of understand and go back and say,

how much vitamin C do I give? How much vitamin C do I give long term? Do I give short term? You know, when I killed off my microbiome, in essence, it took me a long time to recuperate. And what I was doing was following my bifidobacteria along the way until it became stable. And then I basically said, okay, I'm back to normal.

I don't need anything else anymore. I'm just going to do what I was doing before the pandemic. And I got myself to become what I was pre-pendemic, right? So that's kind of a re-fluorization that I coined, which is bringing back the flora, bringing back the microbes to represent what you were before. Now, obviously, nobody has that signature microbiome of what they were before.

But that's going to be the future, right? So I'm hoping with this government, with this agency, we can work together to start getting this stool assay out there so that the public can start saying, hey, I want to know, I'm a long hauler. We published that long haulers had lost of bifidobacteria. How can you fix the long haulers

if you don't pay attention to the bifidobacteria that's in the gut? And how do you fix them if you don't know what foods are killing bifidobacteria, what foods are improving, what meat is good for you, what meat is not good for you? So it's not that easy because everybody says to me, well, how do I fix?

Give us hints. It's a loaded question because so many factors affect the bifidobacteria. Think about you got into a fight with your wife last night. Well, you just killed off your bifidobacteria, right? And by the way, I've changed a lot in my personality because I used to be a fireball, get into fights with everyone. And now I'm like the most calm person ever because I go calm. I don't listen to stressful news. I don't get, you know, even when they retracted my papers, I'm like, okay, whatever, watch me roar.

I make a fun joke out of it because I don't care anymore. I mean, it's become a joke, right? I mean, these papers that are, you know, winning awards at the American College of Gastro and they're not getting published. It's a joke. So, and what I do is I do what I do best, which is basically stir up shit, and I call all my friends, and I go, by the way, my paper has been retracted. That paper of finding COVID in the stools was considered to be retracted.

So I called Trial Site News and I said, by the way, you may want to investigate. That's how they found out about the publishing house, private publishing house, that is retracting these papers. So somebody must be paying them. And then I called all my colleagues, Mayo Clinic, Harvard, Yale. And I go, by the way, remember that paper that I found COVID? Well, it got retracted. And they're like, what? But it passed peer review.

Well, your peer review means nothing. And here's the thing. So guess what? You're not getting paid to do these peer reviews. Maybe you should start charging the journals now, because clearly they're going about wasting your time, reviewing a paper, and they're going behind your back to retract the paper because it doesn't fit the narrative.

So that's what I do. So, and then the other thing that I did is I called the National Institute of Standards, Scott Jackson. And I basically said, I remember my paper that we found COVID in the stools and you also found COVID in the septic tanks while my paper was retracted. And, you know, they couldn't believe it.

So this is at the government level, people are waking up to see, we have a problem. Yeah. This is like the burning of the books. All right. Let me just because we could do this and I'm wanting to get off the record. We'll get a little bit deeper.

But lastly, sauerkraut, kombucha, you know, So fermented foods, do those have bifida bacteria? Not necessarily have bifidobacteria, but they have other microbes in there that are beneficial. You know, remember the microbiome is microbes that work symbiotic. It's a symbiotic relationship, so one helps another, helps another. Every microbe has a function. That's what we've come to realize, you know. So bifidobacteria, the most important thing about bifidobacteria is it helps break down sugar.

So if you look at the type 1 diabetes and the children, they lack bifidobacteria. Do they lack bifidobacteria and therefore cannot absorb sugar? Maybe. Or is it that it gets rid of it? I mean, that's always the question. That's which one comes first. Like I know people ask me about anxiety all the time because we found a signature microbiome that in people with anxiety. And so the question becomes, is the microbiome creating the anxiety?

are you anxious and creating a destruction of your microbiome? Right. So it's kind and we have to think of mental health and by the way we're presenting at the paper on a signature microbiome of bipolar disorders. So you're going to have to ask the question, you know, is the by how did the bipolar disorders start? Is it the brain triggering the destruction of the gut? Is it the gut destroying?

Because the brain gut access is exactly that. It's brain tells the gut, gut tells the brain. And then what if the pathway between them, that nerve is damaged, then you have a problem, right? So that's why even with autism, that's not a very simple answer of what causes autism, because some kids have a dysbiosis, some kids have a neurological as primary, some kids have a genetic, and some kids have the connection between the brain and the gut as a primary. But microbiome analysis in the future is going to guide us better, and we will have a stool test that will basically, you know, hopefully when the child is born, say, you know, this child needs to be fixed with his microbiome first before we can consider giving that kid anything. And that's the future that I want to see. You know, a future where we can work together as scientists to say, okay,

well, your hypothesis is this. My hypothesis is this. Let's come to the middle and find a solution that benefits and have better guidelines to create better safety. Remember, I'm the girl that brought drugs to market for pharma. So I'm all about safety. If a drug is not safe, it should not go to the market. There's a very famous gastroenterologist. A lot of people don't know that's at the center of the whole vaccine conversation. Of course, I'm talking about Dr. Andrew Wakefield.

I'm going to ask him where are we at today because it's getting be a very big thing on off the record. So hold it there. I want to thank you for joining me. on the high wire. A really beautiful moment. I've watched Robert Kennedy Jr. as he's picked, really his team, and they're finally, finally starting to get confirmed. A couple of really brilliant people put their hand on the Bible, and Bobby was there. Take a look at this. Hi, I'm Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. I'm the Secretary of Health and Human Services. I'm here with two of the men that I most admire. Repeat after me, please. These are two of the greatest scientists,

America and they are going to transform this agency and bring back the revered place of NIH in our history. We're going to restore that. I'm Maureen McCarrie. And we're going to restore FDA to its initial mission. Well, thank you, Mr. Secretary. Diseases and conditions that were rare two generations ago are now common and burdening children and the entire system. And no one has been talking about the root causes until now. So thank you for your leadership. We need to use the incredible ingenuity of American scientists all across the country and focus them on what really matters, which is to make people healthier so they can live the lives that they're supposed to live. This is a generational opportunity to apply the scientific standard and process to address all of these problems, and that's exactly what we're going to do. Take your charge and do that. So help me, Guy. So help me guide.

Congratulations. Thank you all very much. Thank you, Jay. Thank you, Marty. Welcome aboard. The revolution begins today. Produced by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. All I can say is Bobby's putting together an amazing team. I know a lot of you probably really understand Badacharya. We saw how he stood up during COVID. We've talked about before the Great Barrington Declaration. I've been blown away in some of the meetings and conversations I've had where I was around Dr. Marty McRey. I think you're going to get to see someone that is just so dedicated to good, solid science. And all these people have sat in meetings with Robert Kennedy Jr.

They know who he is. They know why he's there. They're in complete support. They are ready to start doing the investigations that we've been begging for for decades, maybe even more than a half a century. I just want to say sort of just thinking about what Sabine said about the gut biome and the fact I know we are so angry and frustrated at the fraud, at the destruction of lives that have happened to many in this audience, to your children, to ourselves, as we really believed

in the medical establishment, certainly the regulatory agencies thought they were looking out for us. But you have really almost 50 years of bad acting that's just gotten worse and worse and worse, corrupted journals. I mean, it is just a cesspool. And as much as I know, we wanted to be able to be changed overnight, and it should be, the truth is, we know where these problems are at. I get it. We know there's so much science that just be saying, get that off the market, get that out of here. Why is that chemical here?

Why is that vaccine even being offered one more day to a single child or an individual? But I also want to say for those of us, and look, those are. of you that are bringing pressure that are hitting it heavy. I've said before. This is a free country. And it takes all of us, right? In many ways, we're all different bacteria in this biome together. Some of us are sensitive. Some of us are strong. Some of us are strong-willed. It's going to take all of us. But I do want to recognize that, you know, as I said last week, being positive. And as, you know, Sabine's saying, she's staying positive just so she can keep her gut biome intact and not kill off the bifida bacteria.

I also want to say we are trained in a sort of alopathic medicine mentality. And even those of us that have gotten away from it, we really have. And it takes a long time to change out of a system that is symptom, a system that is symptom focused. Allopathic medicine is just about triaging you and getting you back into the war. A lot of people call it, you know, sort of that war medicine, triage medicine. Let's just get you, let's just deal with the symptom, slab it up, throw some mercury on it, ripe some aluminum, whatever it takes, and then just get you back on the field. And we just deal with the symptoms.

We've talked about this over and over again. Modern medicine is just, you know, going from one symptom to the next symptom and covering it with different drugs and that drug has side effects. And we all know how this works. But I also want to point out that when we're demanding immediate change, it's like demand. immediate healing. The truth is that healing, holistic healing, takes time. Root cause investigation takes time. Root cause healing takes time. And as much as we'd like to just slap something on this and get out of the way or cut it off and say you don't need it, I want to just remind everyone

that we are trying to heal a diseased system. And that disease is more than just, one bad product, one back vaccine. It's a totally diseased concept of health that is in there. And what Robert Kennedy Jr. right now, I'm happy to have been, you know, on the outskirts, a part of this. And what Donald Trump has made possible is a new awakening, a new investigation. As Robert Kennedy Jr. has said, I am refocusing the entire HHS system and getting rid of 20,000 people I don't need that are getting in my way of doing the investigations into the root causes that are creating

these issues. So for those of you that want this changed overnight, I get it. It's horrific. Children will probably die today from products that are on the market that shouldn't be there. But if we just took those off the market, the people that believed in them that we're giving them, and that's where we need to be doing our work right now, is just saying, don't go near the COVID vaccine. I don't care if it's recommended. Here's this study. Here's that study. That's what we're here to do. but in order to, you know, not only get a COVID vaccine off of the market or get it out of recommendation, that's just one vaccine. How do we never have a COVID vaccine again?

How do we never find ourselves in this situation again? That takes a healing. That takes a holistic healing where not just Republicans, not just fans of Robert Kennedy Jr., not just fans of Donald Trump. But an entire nation that starts coming around to the idea that, wait a minute, I don't have to live with my symptoms. I don't have to take 10 drugs. There's actually a way to look at diabetes and maybe reverse it. Is it possible to reverse autism?

Is it possible to reverse ADD, ADHD? Are there things I can actually do? Can I really regrow back my gut biome? Can I get to a holistic place where my body is thriving again? that's a holistic approach. And for any of you that have ever attempted to do it in any form of an issue, a symptom you were dealing with, I wish it was overnight. But it was your dedication, your understanding that this is the better way forward, that I

need to take the time and energy it's going to take and be focused to have a system, a systematic healing throughout my body. And in this case, we need a systematic healing in this nature. that guides the world towards that healing. We're allowed to want and make demands. But let's be realistic and let's remember that if we're going to get there, it's going to take our belief,

it's going to take our energy, and it's going to take our patience. We're in this together. We have an amazing team coming together, and let's at least, while we're being, you know, demanding, let's at least celebrate the wins that we are having. Let's celebrate the bacteria that comes back into the gut

when it happens. And let's see if we can sustain it. There's a lot of work to do. I've got a lot of talks coming up this weekend. I'm going to, here we go. Here's if you want to see me speak. April 5th, Healthy El Dorado Expo and El Dorado, California, reversing chronic disease panel from 1145 to 1215.

On this April 6th, Maha, Root and Rise, Farme, Baton Rouge, Louis. Louisiana. I wonder, I wish it was like, wait, am I actually still in California that said L.A.? No, Louisiana, because this is how busy I am. Two days, two different places. April 12th. The Autism Health Summit, such an important. All these conversations are going to be there in San Diego, California. So please sign up to those brilliant conferences and things that I'm going to be at. I want to thank all of you that sponsor, make this show happen. I want to thank Sabine Hassan for one of the most entertaining and sort of, you know, action-packed conversations I've had in a while and I want to thank you for making the next right step in changing this world we're doing it together that's what the informed consent action network is all about thank you for being a part of the network and I'll see you next week