The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 421: DYE HARD

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

Historic moves out of Washington D.C., as HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announces his fight to find the cause of autism, and new FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary takes action to remove toxic additives and dyes from our food. Jefferey Jaxen reports on the White House embracing lab leak theory, the bleak future of Bayer’s Roundup, and new cancer risks associated with COVID vaccines—just as the federal government begins to reverse its stance. New Bill Makes Health History in Tennessee. Finally, retired pediatrician Dr. Paul Thomas shares his journey from vaccine advocate to whistleblower in his new book, ‘Vax Facts.’Guests: Bernadette Pajer, Dr. Paul Thomas#TheHighWire #RFKJr #MartyMakary #FoodDyeBan #VaccineSafety #COVIDVaccine #AutismAwareness #PaulThomasMD #Glyphosate #Roundup #HealthFreedom #LabLeakBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Yes. Action. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. I wish I could tell you how many interviews I've done with the press just over the last couple of days. I don't know if they're reeling.

I don't know if they're excited, but they are definitely asking a lot of questions. like how do you feel about all that's going on? I was like, well, who couldn't feel good under the circumstances? They've been fighting for transparency. If you've been trying to get chemicals out of our food and have this discussion be on the mouths of every mother in America. It's a great time to be alive.

What am I talking about? I'm talking about this. My honor and privilege to introduce to you, the commissioner of FDA, Dr. Marty McCarrie, a renowned surgeon, scientist, researcher, and public policy expert. Good afternoon, Mr. Secretary, Dr. Baitacharya, Governor's Speaker, the many Maha moms and the kids here supporting the effort. Thank you for being here.

Thank you. That's great. Today the FDA is taking action to remove petroleum-based food dyes from the U.S. food supply and from medications. For the last 50 years, American children have increasingly been living in a toxic soup of synthetic chemicals. The scientific community has conducted a number of studies. raising concerns about the correlation between petroleum-based synthetic dyes and several health conditions. We're seeing rising rates of chronic diseases linked to food dyes and other additives like ADHD, obesity, autoimmune diseases, allergies, endocrine disruption, and even cancer.

Our kids and our citizens deserve better. They deserve real food, not chemical shortcuts, designed to fool the eye but harm the body. That's what making America healthy again means to us. It's not just a slogan, it's a mission. And it starts with protecting the most vulnerable among us, our children. Well, America's children are sick and suffering. 41% of children have at least one health condition, and one in five are on medication.

We have to turn our attention to underlying causes, such as chemicals and toxins that children are exposed to. Secretary Kennedy has said that he would instruct the FDA to examine concerning ingredients in the nation's food supply and today we are delivering on that promise. Today marks the beginning of restoring the trust at the FDA and our regulatory institutions. The cries and the shouts and the applause for Maha moms during the campaign are ringing out across the country.

The only reason that those companies, that those states have been, these products is because of these ladies and millions of more across the country, the warrior moms, who have powered them. Thank you for being loud. Thank you for coming together with me on this issue. Because you made your voices heard, we now have made history together. And now we have intellectual honesty coming out of the FDA focused on looking at updated science on food additives that American food. companies are not using in other countries.

If a foreign nation was doing to our children what we are doing in America, we'd go to war to protect them. And I think we don't need to do that anymore because we have a champion in Secretary Kennedy and Commissioner McCarrie to really make a change that we need in America. While we're proud of the work we've done, we know that this fight isn't over. And it's not won in a single session or in a single bill or by a single state. It takes collaborative, sweeping approach to bring people together, local, state, and federal governments, all pulling in the same direction. Since 2012, the United States has seen

no increase in life expectancy. That is a catastrophic failure of the American public health system, and it frankly is also a failure of American scientists to address the key drivers of this enormous chronic disease crisis we're facing. The mission of the NIH is, to do research that extends the life expectancy and improves the health of the American people. And that's exactly what we're going to do. I want to thank the moms and thank President Trump for his confidence in my leadership and for allowing me to surround myself with such an extraordinary team of scientists who are going to restore transparency to this agency.

We're going to do replicated science. We're going to restore gold standard science so we know it's in our food and we can eliminate it. Thank you all very much. Well, it was amazing. I was in Washington, D.C. to watch the giant room packed with Maha moms and families, also pouring over on the stage up there with children. It was quite a spectacular event. Just one week after last week in a smaller room where it was discussed that Robert Kennedy Jr. was finally saying that we are going to see autism as an epidemic. We're going to look at all the environmental toxins and issues that are out there. We're going to talk a little bit later about that. But this, moment to be going after and basically saying we're removing all petroleum-based dyes from the food supply in the United States of America. Hey, look, I'm a media guy. And you and I, we all know, we are talking about a multi-billion dollar industry that doesn't want to have to recraft this food. So what's next? Where is this going? I try to imagine if they're bringing me, if I'm a media

guy and they're bringing me and say, we've got to fight back, we've got to push back against this, how do you do it? I've said it time and time again. I am so happy. to be doing the media on our side of all these conversations because the truth just sounds better and it's easier to sell. But what are we going to see? I would guess. I mean, if someone said, Dale, how are you going to fight it? You'll see articles, maybe even commercials about the fact that the modern food supply and the advancement of, you know, chemicals in food and maybe they won't say it quite like that. But in being able to process these foods makes it available so that we can feed the poor. We can feed the underserved. And we're going to make food so expensive.

for the underserved. That's where I bet you they're going to go. Because in our counterogyn, oh, so. So it's really important that we be able to poison the underserved. Is that what you're saying? That's where this argument's going to go. But Marty McRey talked about the fact that he is going to start fast-tracking investigations into natural coloring and agents like that. He held up a bottle of beet juice and carrot juice and watermelon juice and said, how about, you know, using these in your foods like you do in other countries where it's safe? So we're riding the ship here. Very exciting.

I also want to say this. You know, the Maha movement is powerful. It's what I keep saying. This is the most powerful movement that has ever been seen in America. I said it to, I think, three or four reporters yesterday. You have never seen a movement that believes it has the power to make change, and it can change boats. We're seeing governors passing laws like we saw in West Virginia removing food dyes before this even happened. In fact, Secretary Kennedy said one of the reasons this is getting.

getting so easy is all of the states that are pushing legislation, Maha legislation that is, you know, getting food dyes out of food, getting fluoride out of water, that is, you know, basically making sure that the food supply is safe, taking sugars and harmful chemicals out of snap food programs. All of these states are moving that direction, which is making it a nightmare for the big food companies and the big ag companies and all those people that like to poison us, Monsanto, we're going to be talking them about them coming up here. but because it's making it such an uneven playing field where they can't just do a national commercial anymore because we're illegal in those five states, Secretary Kennedy now has a power to make

real lasting change. It's very, very exciting, but I want to be perfectly clear. You know, we have always fought for safety and food here at ICANN and the high wire and fluoride. We have brought you all of these stories every single week that we have been on air. But at the heart of this, and I want to make this clear, there are still parents out there. of vaccine injured children. There are people still injured by vaccines. And I think for them, it must be a little bit frustrating like saying, hello, we're over here. When are we going to get to the issue? When are we going to get to the real tip of the spear? I want to let you know, we are not letting down here at I can. That pressure will continue. We're demanding the same thing.

We're going to be talking a little bit. Looks like they're looking at the COVID vaccine for children. We're going to be talking about that coming up. But those are important issues. This is just the beginning. This is certainly not the end. And it is no time to go to bed and go to sleep. We have work to do folks, and we're going to talk all about that. I want to get into vaccines and autism. Not just in the studies because we'd be very scientific, but a little bit later on in the show.

I'm having a doctor that had real children, thousands of them in fact inside of his practice, that has gone the entire journey, wrote one of the most famous books about how to vaccinate safely. This is what it was. It was called the vaccine-friendly plan. I'm talking about Dr. Paul Thomas. But after all those years of the vaccine-friendly plan, he's written a brand-new book. It's this one, Vax Facts.

And you may be asking yourself, is he still recommending vaccines? Because he kind of did in the vaccine-friendly plan. If you want an answer to where he's at now, you better stay tuned. I'm excited about that. I also have Bernadette Pager coming up. Another Maha warrior mom

that's bringing a bill in tendency that has a little bit of a different angle. Can we side to the federal government to pushback against the state government? All very exciting. But first it's time for, the Jackson Report. I'm so excited, Jeffrey. I mean, like last week we had Leslie Manukian warrior mom that literally wrote one of the greatest bills we've ever seen for medical freedom in America. You see all those warrior moms, Vani Hari on the stage.

Of course, we support her in the high wire. She came up to me and said, without the support of the highwire and really getting behind that Kellogg's March and all the way. work that you did, Jeffrey, you know, talking about that food issue, your documentaries, all of it. It is really starting to come to a crescendo. It is such an exciting time to be alive. It feels like anyone that just decides to throw their hat in the ring can actually make a difference right now. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

There's a massive turnaround. For anybody likes good news, for journalists that are just getting into this, it's a gold rush right now. I mean, there's a lot of things happening on so many fronts. One of the things I'm seeing is five long years. years it took, but the White House is now aligning with the reporting that we've done in that time when it comes to COVID-19. What am I talking about? Well, they just changed their website. You go to whitehouse.org slash COVID-19, and now it looks like this. Lab leak, lab leak. So now it's going, it basically is collating all the information it took from House reports,

from intelligence reports and put it in a nice, neat website. You can see for yourself here. Some of the highlights, well, saying right at the top, most likely the result of gain of function research goes into the proximal origins paper. It published in Nature that was prompted by Fauci, quarterback by Jeremy Ferrar, talks about Equal Health Alliance. Peter Dasak using taxpayer-funded money to perform that gain of function research and in the NIH funding him. And it also talks about the obstructions that they were trying to get all this information,

but they weren't getting it because HHS at the time was dragging their feet. We had Equal Health Alliance, obviously, dragging their feet. Even the state of New York wouldn't give the government the proper information, but One of the interesting things about this is that has a whole list of the measures that were taken that were complete failures. One of them, lockdowns. It literally says on the White House webpage. It wrecked the economy. We've got to know that now.

We've got to know that now. Wrecked people's mental health, especially children. Masks didn't really do anything because there wasn't evidence for it. But social distancing was a joke. So it's kind of like a one-stop shop of we had it wrong. And now we're going to show the world. I mean, it's very symbolic, of course. Everyone's been reporting on this for quite some time.

The House reports have this. information in there, but now it's on the White House page. That sends a big signal to the world. And for the people still reading the Washington Post, you may see headlines like this. White House embraces lab leak as true pandemic origin, acts as COVID website. And in there, they quote, an expert.

And what does this expert say? He says this, the White House is declaring its own scientific truth, which goes against the published science on this issue, said, Paul Offit. Wow. He says, it just appeals to the notion of conspiracy that there are forces working behind the scenes that mean to do us harm.

It's interesting to watch when the shoe was on the other foot, Dell, because how did it go for the last five years for people like this? Paul, you're eroding trust in our democratically elected institutions, your anti-science conspiracy theories. We'll hurt the public. There it is. That's the new phase of conspiracy theories going against the government narrative. I'm still pushing natural origin over here. Amazing. Our conspiracies turned out to be right. Paul, that's your platform. I mean, we encourage everybody we're into the First Amendment here speak your truth and find your people if that's what you think you'll find your audience but for us at the highwire not much has changed because in 2020

this is our reporting if people don't remember take a look if you're looking at this particular coronavirus this coronavirus belongs to a family of viruses that are most closely related to the back coronaviruses however phylogenetics has a hard time placing it with only 75 percent support. All of the other nodes you'll see on that tree, this is a phylogenetic tree of coronaviruses, actually have 100% support. So what's disrupting the phylogenetic signal of placing this into a unique monophyletic group, as it's called in phylogenetics, is, I believe, this inserted element. I found that it actually did match a vector technology. This vector technology is a mechanism by which molecular biologists insert new genes into viruses and bacteria.

Now, it's really unusual to find a vector technology sequence in a virus that's circulating in humans. And so naturally, one thing that we can say, I think, for certain, is this particular virus has a laboratory origin. January 30th, 2020. We've played this several times, Jeffrey, but just take a January 30th, 2020, This is barely, I mean, this thing is literally just coming out of the station. You know, we're just starting to talk about it.

And the high wire from that early on is saying, looks like it could be a lab leak. Five years later, the world is finally admitting that. And again, just one of the things we haven't had to apologize for, which we would. If I had it dead wrong, I would have said, look, we got dead wrong. Sorry to have, like, we were going with the best information we had. Luckily, we like the choices that we go to on things like this. They tend to stand the test of time. Amazing. And just for the historical record, because we did get it right,

we were greeted to a reaction like this from our friends at Media Matters. Facebook and YouTube are letting Dell Bigtree push deadly coronavirus information in there. It says January 30th, Bigtree baselessly floated a theory that the coronavirus outbreak started with a vaccine development accident in a lab. He also suggested it was a bio weapon. Well, it turns out, looks like it was a bioweapon. And then Facebook, a Facebook, Of course, we put that video up and we simply asked a question, source of coronavirus revealed with a question mark.

Well, Facebook hit us with a false information. And, of course, that was because they were checked by independent fact checkers, which we found out were not independent after all. And that's what we did to lose our Facebook. I'm so proud of that, Jeffrey. I can't tell you. Like, I was giggling, you know, reflecting on that today saying, I want a big poster just here at the high wire that just hangs and shows the attacks, shows the articles how crazy we were, censoring us. all encapsulated right there in that moment. What better way to prove we were right than to have been taken down and attacked and even printed about what we were saying on January 30th. It's

amazing. One of the other conversations that we've been kind of a frontrunner on, at least early on, in reporting, is the conversation of pesticides, American pesticides and the legal actions happening against them. And it feels like I'm about to report on the final chapter here. We've been reporting on this for way before even the world heard about COVID. Here's Reuters, Bear tells US it could halt round up weed killer sales over legal risk. Wall Street Journal. It's making the rounds here, the story in the corporate media. Wall Street Journal, Farmer's favorite weed killer, nears it's then.

Bear warns. And in there, it goes on to talk to its CEO. He says this, we're pretty much reaching the end of the road. Bear chief executive Bill Anderson said in an interview, we're talking months, not years. So what they're talking about is the legal issues from this. this Roundup, glyphosate-based wheat killer is so bad. It's hurting the company so bad that they're going to have to stop completely making it. And that's because they've tried everything they possibly could.

And I'm looking at kind of the story behind this fear push is they're saying, oh, no, farmers, the shelves are going to be empty if you don't really help us out here. Because what if they tried so far? Well, let's look at this. Just a couple of, it's a year ago. Bear reaches over $10 billion settlement in Roundup Cancer lawsuits. So that was a group of lawsuits. They said, here's $10 billion, but there was still about over 60,000 that were remaining,

and those are delivering loss after loss. Here's the recent one in Georgia, $2.1 billion over Nana Hodgkin's lymphoma, latest weed killer loss. And it's not just here in the United States anymore. Ontario is starting its first class action lawsuit. They're asking for $1.2 billion against, again, Roundup Weed Killer Maker. And then also in France, you're seeing this is a first, sadly, French parents, this court case just started.

French parents sue Bear over glyphosate birth defects in their son. That was the basically in utero effects. He was exposed to and he had birth defects. So that court case is going on. We're going to keep an eye on that. And then Bear even begged the Supreme Court. They've done this. Bear renews bid for US Supreme Court to curb glyphosate cases.

Please, Supreme Court, please stop this damage. But perhaps because all of those. things don't work, you're seeing a different approach, a commercial approach. If you're on social media and you're in one of the states that this agriculture immunity bill is being pushed where people can no longer sue the state bill that's trying to get passed, where people can no longer sue Bear and other pesticide makers for the damages they cause, just like the 1986 Act. They're trying to 86 act, you know, this pesticide herbicide industry protect us from liability so we cannot be sued. So we never have to evolve this product. It worked for vaccines. No evolution

there, no safety studies. We like the liability protection they got, the indemnification. We want the same thing that's allowing vaccines to poison you. We should be able to have the same liability protections. That's right. Take away those market forces. Well, if you're one of those states that's fighting those bills, you may be seeing ads that look like this. Take a look. Missouri farmers feed America. But the litigation industry's attacks on clifaceat, Farmers go-to crop protection tool will leave us all in a world of heart. Take a stand at take control, Missouri.com. Wow.

This is really great to see because these are just the good old boys, the farmers, the salt of the year. Actually, no, it's bear. Bears behind this whole thing. Bears, here's the headline. And what are they pulling themselves? What's the company that's making these commercials? Because it doesn't sound like bear. This is Modern Ag Alliance.

Modern Ag Alliance. It doesn't take much digging here or journalism. to see this headline. Bear leads a new coalition to advocate for U.S. farmers, access to glyphosate. And so is that working? Are they influencing the people in those states? Well, we reported a couple weeks ago about several states that are trying to pass these bills. Here's Iowa headline recently. Bear Bill granting legal protections to pesticide companies fizzles out in the Iowa legislature. That's huge. It's obviously a huge farming state. That's really huge. Yeah. Absolutely. And then Tennessee, similar Tennessee bill to give lawsuit protection to roundup

maker delayed because there was a lot of heated conversation. That's delayed to 2026. So now we're interesting point because the FDA, as you just reported, banned petroleum-based synthetic dyes. They're going to do that by the end of the next year because other countries are not putting this in their food, especially for children. So hold on. Before we get deeper, I just want to just really say too, because I'm getting off a little bit today on reflection on when we start these issues. I got more of these coming up. We show you how we brought you, of function before anyone else did when this was just but a budding idea to start a pandemic across the world based on a natural virus. But this Monsanto issue, Jeffrey, this even predates my work

here on the high wire, which started in 2016, early 2017. We've been reporting on this from the beginning. But I went after Bear all the way back in Monsanto. That's Donna Farmer, the head of toxicology for Monsanto. When the W.H.O. ruled this probably carcinogenic to human beings. I did this show, Jeffrey Smith, the GMO activist. This is being used in the court cases against Bear. She was lying there in front of the television world on, what do we say? It was May 25th? May of 2015, I first dropped the gauntlet on Monsanto when I was then working for CBS on the doctors.

And here we are. They're paying billions and billions and billions of dollars. And they're now saying, you know, the jig is up. maybe come to the end of this. I also want to say, Jeffrey, I don't trust them at all. This reminds me of that, you know, when the CDC started doing studies on aluminum, right at the moment they thought they were going to jump into MR&A technology. So they're just saying, oh, they're willing to, there's some ugly new product, I'm sure, right around the corners, they say, oh, you got us, and then they'll bring us some other deadly toxic chemical, which, and I want to point out one thing,

too, that they're trying to divide this nation right now. These corporations are so sick and twisted. That ad you just showed is trying to pit, you know, maha moms and people that want healthy children against the heart of America, which is farmers. It is so sick and demented that they are running that to say, oh, you're going to hurt the farmers, you're going to hurt this. You know what hurts farmers? Guys like this, Dwayne Johnson that got paid out one of the first multi-billion dollar cases. We don't want our farmers and our farmers' children to look like this. This is why he won the billions of dollars. This is why we won't let them, you know, get liability protection. And it's why we fight for farmers and mothers and families. It's for all of you.

And unfortunately, they are being blackmailed and held, you know, being told that there's no way forward without our chemicals. There's a way forward, Jeffrey. And we are going to pioneer that way here in the work that we do. All right. I know I've got to let you get back to it. But I just wanted to really share some very important points there that when people say, oh, there's nothing we can do. We have no power. I didn't know what I would be able to do against Monsanto back in. in 2015, but it takes a little bit of patience, you know, 10 years or so, and then suddenly look what can happen. We're planting seeds all the time for the future of our children. And you watch the industry mouthpieces for pesticide companies, and they want to push the economic angle. The shelves are going to be bare. But we saw, I mean, literally the dye has

been cast with food dyes. They're not in other countries. The testing, we know the testing causes harms. Well, the EPA is not required. They've never required long-term animal studies with looking at the blood analysis for any of the final formulations of these pesticides, any of them, of these agrochemicals that are being sprayed in the United States. So right now, I think Baer and other chemical companies have a bigger problem on their hands because there's a petition going around. This is moms across America and other organizations for 84 agrochemicals. So just like the food dies, but now agrochemicals that are banned in other,

that are banned in other countries like Europe, China, Brazil, other countries, but they're using them here in the United States. So when Trump says our goal is to get toxins out of these, environment, protect our children. This is how you do it. And this is the headline here at Moms Across America. USA nationwide called a ban of 84 pesticides that have already been banned in Europe and other countries. You can see the image here of all these things are being sprayed on our crops. And that is the push right now, one of the big ones for just getting toxins out of our environment. And this is this is a call to action. So good. I want to just point out Zen Honeycutt has been

on this show many times. Moms Across America. Huge fans right here. And what she's pointing out is exactly what I was just saying. We can't just say, oh, we won against glyphosate. They want us to target. This is what they do. They want us to target that one little issue. Oh, you got us. We're weeks away. We've got nowhere to go. They have 84 other, you know, deadly chemicals that they'll turn around and throw in round up and it'll be on the shelves tomorrow. So this is why Zen is so on top of it and why we're very, we're incredibly supportive of this mission, which is you're not going to get to do a bait and switch. You don't get to move in another chemical and say, oh, you know, you won. No, no, no, no, no. They're all banned. They need to

We need to all be banned, just like the chemical dies, as you said, we should not be allowing any chemicals into our food that are already banned in other countries. Standing behind this, very important. Everybody should go to moms across America, get involved with the work that she's doing there. So, so important. Absolutely. This organic regenerative practices and agriculture like we had on the show with Kiss the Ground documentary, it starts there.

This can happen in the United States with the right type of leadership. And I want to talk something that you mentioned at the top of the show. There's so many moving parts right now trying to catch these. is the COVID vaccine. The COVID vaccine obviously still out there. This week is a big week in the United States for what is going to happen with the future of the COVID vaccine. A lot of studies are coming out. One of them here is an interesting study out of Japan. The Japanese scientists have been doing a lot of great research with the COVID vaccine. This one looks at repeated COVID vaccination in people that have pancreatic cancer. Now this is at a single, they call it a single

center cohort study. So it's in one, one basically health center. And for people that don't, don't know, pancreatic cancer patients have a very poor prognosis for their expectancy for their overall survival. And so with that in mind, we read this. These are the results. The overall survival of pancreatic cancer patients were shortened in those vaccinated three times or more, and the total serum IGG4 levels increased with a number of vaccinations. Of note, overall survival is significantly shorter in the high IGG4 and FOX P3 positive cells and the tumor tissues were increased. So IGG4, you don't want that increase. That's a sign that cancer, your immune system is malfunctioning and that typically leads to, you know, possibly cancer, infections,

autoimmune diseases. So they said repeated vaccination increased spike-specific IGG-4 levels, and a positive correlation was observed between spike-specific IGG-4 and total IGG4. So what is that saying? Well, we look at this chart from the study, and we look at the basically the survival rate, the overall survival at the bottom there. And you can see people with this don't really get past, get to 48 months, which is really sad. And those, though, unfortunately, with three or more vaccines, you can see that red line. They just plummet. It just drops off there. It's like they're falling off a cliff. So they have almost half their survival rate of people that were getting no vaccines or up to two. And then what's interesting here is the study also showed the overall survival just by

date range. So before the shot was rolled out from 2018 to 2021, which was the black line, and then 2022, 2023, which is the length of that study, you can see overall survival rate, not just with the people in the study, but just in general with those numbers, it dropped off before and after the vaccine. So after the vaccine was rolled out, you have that red line again. It's just dropping off. And so this chart, Dell, is basically telling the story of turbo cancer. It's accelerating these cancers. And I mean, this is, this is a, obviously we have William Macasson. We've got other people on talk about this. This is a heavy subject, but it needs attention. And there's a person, uh, ethical skeptic. He's on X. He's a data analyst. And he shows some

charts. Let's keep looking at these charts here. So the first one here is, uh, neoplasm treatment. This is cancer treatment by dollars. See the I, they're using the ICD codes. This is what the doctors put in for billing for, for the, um, Medicare, Medicaid. for cancer. The CDC's own data. And you can see here around 2022, just after that, it just shoots straight up all the treatment, excess dollars, lots of money being spent on cancer treatment. Why? Another, these are a conglomeration of other charts here. You can see basically the trend is all going up and up after 2021, after that vaccine inflection point when this vaccine was rolled out. Up it goes and it's not stopping. So there's a conversation here. So you have the charts,

you have the studies, but then let's talk about the doctors on the ground treating patients. One of them is kind of at this point, now famous, Patrick Sun Chiang. He is a surgeon, a cancer researcher, a drug developer. He was on Tucker Carlson recently. And they literally dedicated the first 15 minutes of the show talking about how he's seeing pancreatic cancer in children. This is unheard of. He's seeing this now.

And let's take it from there. Listen to what he had to say. Does COVID, whether come from the vaccine, which is the spike protein vaccine? or from the infection, which is spike-driven, that gets into every cell of our body. Every cell of the body? It goes wherever you have this thing called the ACE2 receptor, which is in the blood vessels.

So wherever you have a blood vessel in your body, it's where it's going to go. And if it has an ACE2 receptor on that blood vessel, that's where it can go, because that's the purpose of the spike protein, to penetrate, to hijack that ACE2 receptor and get into their cells. So that's why it gets into pancreat.

That's why you have brain fog. because it disrupts the blood vessels of the brain and cause mitochondrial dysfunction. It's why in the colon, which is a high, and the GI track is a high ACE2 receptor, that's why pancreas are high estrogen, where that's why you people have, in the heart, you have dysfunction. You've seen young people have sudden heart attacks all of a sudden. You see young people with pancreatic cancer all of a sudden. You see young people's colon cancer all of a sudden.

So is it by coincidence that post-COVID infection, post-COVID vaccine, we're seeing all these events where we know the spike protein goes there? I don't think so. I think it's not a coincidence. So the question is, can we prove is this what I call long COVID virus persisting? And the group at University of California, San Francisco, has now defined. definitively proven that and published that in papers like nature. Can we also prove that once you have that persistence of that virus, does that COVID virus suppress the natural killer cell?

Does that natural killer cell actually not only go to sleep becomes what you call energetic? That's now been published. The natural killer cell has gone to sleep. So by your definition, we just solve the mystery right there. I think so. Billions of people, literally billions of people had the COVID virus. Over a billion got the spike protein vaccine. So that's like we're talking like a huge percentage of the Earth's population,

unless I'm missing something. Now you understand what keeps you awake at night. Now everyone understands why we were kept awake at night the moment this pandemic started. The moment that the vaccine was warped speed. onto the market. We were pointing out all of these things I could play you tracks. We talked about the immune system being put to sleep, but Jeffrey was just frozen there at your back. But what is so shocking, Jeffrey, about how clearly that is stated now is it really brings down this question of to vaccinate or not to vaccinate. That is the question. And when we look at what he's saying, sure, people will say the virus itself can cause, you know, inflammation in the heart, all these things. Yes. but in nature, I might even never come in contact with it. It's still randomized, whether it blows into my face or not.

And then the amount of the virus that I take in is also a big question. And the vulnerability of that virus, and especially the spike protein, which he is saying, can shut down your immune system, you know, attach to every ACE2 and every blood vessel in your body, your brain, all of it. Very problematic. But how big was the load in nature? How many times did I come in contact with it random? never even did. And if I did, I developed immunity that was able to stop it and block it and

fight it from then on or at least, you know, do the best it could. But folks, what he's saying is when you vaccinate, you take all the randomization out of it. Now you are making sure that the spike protein that can get into your blood vessels, attach your ACE2 receptors, you'll give you brain fog, attack your body, cause cancer, shut down your immune system. You are making sure you get it into the body. And then you're not just making sure once they're smart to say, no, no, no, you need another one of these, a second shot, a booster shot to really make sure you've got this deadly spike protein in your body. But that's not good enough. We need a third shot, a fourth shot, a fifth shot. We are at 10. Jeffrey, the insanity here. And they're like,

well, I mean, long COVID is awesome from the virus. Yeah, but most definitely from the people that keep injecting the spike protein into their freaking bodies. Yeah, Del, I don't. So we have an Italian study as well. And that study, I mean, if you're talking about this, you're going to say, well, it may not just be cancer. Okay. So if that is really affecting the immune system, now there's a body work saying it negatively affects the immune system. We have this study out of the province of Pescara in Italy.

It looked at a two-year window from 2021 to 2023. Remember, Italy had one of the strictest vaccine mandates in the world. It was where the virus really jumped after China. That was like a hotbed where people were just really getting affected by this. And they found this. They said, for those vaccinated with two doses, the loss of life expectancy in 739 days is 1.37 times that of the unvaccinated. This means that the subjects vaccinated with two doses, plus 37% of life expectancy compared to the unvaccinated population during the follow-up considered. And they concluded, we found all caused death risk to be high.

even higher in those vaccinated with one and two doses compared to the unvaccinated and that the booster doses weren't effective we also found this we're ineffective significant loss of life expectancy for those vaccinated with two and three and four doses so del that brings us to what's happening the u.s right now the recommendation for the covid vaccine and the cdc schedule is up for grabs the CNN is reporting cd the cdc considers narrowing its COVID-19 vaccine recommendations and you can see they're kind of mulling this around here. They're using, they're thinking about using a risk-based recommendation. They said the CDC would continue to recommend two doses of code 19 vaccines each year if you're older adults. Those over 65 and anyone with weakened immune function, it says it may

also consider recommending annual vaccination for children and adults who are at high risk of code 19 disease because they have a higher risk of being exposed to it. Those groups could include people like health workers or children in daycare. But then Politico is saying RFK Jr. is eyeing, conversing the recommendation for children. And here's RFK Jr. with Jesse Waters just last night on Fox News. Take a listen. The COVID vaccine, the recommendation for children was always dubious. And it was dubious because kids had almost no risk for COVID-19.

Some kids, certain kids that had very profound morbidities may have a slight risk. Most kids don't. So why are we giving this to tens of millions of kids when the vaccine itself does have profound risk. We've seen huge associations with myocarditis and paracotiditis with strokes with other injuries with neurological injuries. And this was clear even in the clinical data that came out of Pfizer. There were actually more deaths, there were about 23% more deaths in the vaccine group than the placebo group. So, you know, we need to ask questions and we need to consult with parents, we need to give people informed consent, and we shouldn't be making recommendations

that are not good for the population. I mean, it's really, again, it's a breadth of fresh air to hear the leadership inside the health departments in Washington, D.C. make that statement. Hats off to Robert Kennedy Jr. I know for some people, it's just not fast enough. Why is this recommended to anyone based on the studies that we just looked at? Of course, we're going to keep submitting all those studies as we find them to Dr. Marty Maccary, to Robert Kennedy Jr. as, you know, through our ICANN legislate, just to say these are things that are important to us and keep pushing it out there. But I want to point out to anyone that may be brand new to this show, the death rate in

children is basically zero. Here is the chart. This is official from the world data, from around the world. The highest rates of fatality were amongst those between 60 and 69 and above at 0.5%. so a half a percentage point, that's a bad flu season. But look down at the children. Under the age of 19, you were 0.0003%. I actually think it's 0.0027, something like that.

But whatever the case, 3 zeros, that's a zero. So in this case, it's one of the only times we can say unequivocally based on the science that the vaccine is more harmful than the disease itself, that the remedy is worse than the cure, I mean, than the disease. And so now something has to be done. It should have been done yesterday. You know, obviously exciting that the conversation is happening. I hope that that's the announcement that we see this week, that we're pulling it off of the childhood schedule so that nobody has to worry about getting into school and going anywhere near this horrific vaccine.

And of course, we need to point out that we're fighting to get, you know, all mandates of vaccines. We want exemptions across the country. We're still trying to free the five. Jeffrey, amazing reporting. In some ways, it's so interesting. I'm so excited about all that's achieved, but it's like anything. It's like when you're getting good at a sport or something,

anything's happening, the better you get, the more you see is possible. And the more we win, the more that I see is possible, and it makes me even more anxious for what I want to achieve while we have this time. But great reporting, Jeffrey, very, very exciting. All right. Thank you so much, Del. Take care. I'll see you next week.

You know, this show a lot of it is really about, you know, how do you plant the seeds towards success? We've been planting flags everywhere we saw an issue. Of course, we've driven this vaccine issue harder than any nonprofit in the world. Nobody has spent more money and won more lawsuits in this space to reveal the dangers of vaccines than we are. There's the list that goes on and on. We've won against the FDA, the NIH, the CDC, HHS. We spend literally millions of dollars every year. suing our government to get to the truth. Forget about when we, you know, work on freeing the five

or we work on bringing about an end to the, you know, the, we brought the religious mandate back to Mississippi. We're working on West Virginia. We have won back. The universities in California, now no longer, you know, have our forcing vaccine. You can get a religious exemption there. We're working on the rest of that state. So we're just tirelessly working. But I want to talk about an issue that many of you care about, and that is the geoengineering issue. This is something that we've reported on a lot. We are very concerned, and we're excited to see that in nearly half the states in America, we're starting to see legislation saying, we want to stop the geoengineering that's going, the poisoning of us through our skies. There's a little wind to announce, though,

and I want to set it up, because in our reporting, we did a show where we brought on, you know, representatives from our law firm that are doing these investigations and pointed out that we had found something, that they're actually not just the lines in the sky, but they're sending up hot air or like balloons to release and out of my stuff in our stratosphere to block our sun. Do we have that? Let's take a look at that moment. Basically, what I'm showing you is a letter that I can received in response to two letters that were sent to the EPA. There's a company in California that is doing geoengineering with balloons and they're just launching them into the air and releasing sulfur dioxide. And so we wrote...

A private company is doing that? A private company is doing that. So we wrote to the EPA on behalf of ICAN to say, you know, there's this company. They're injecting sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. Sulfur dioxide is an EPA criteria pollutant. So the EPA should regulate that under the Clean Air Act. So we figured that this is pretty alarming. Does the EPA even know that this is happening?

we wrote to the EPA, they ignored us. We wrote again, and then after we wrote twice, I can receive this response. And so this is from the deputy, the principal deputy assistant administrator of the EPA. His name is Joseph Kaufman. And his response is right here. And he says, thank you for your letter of October 16, 2023, concerning the releasing of sulfur dioxide from balloons into the air. The release of sulfur dioxide or other sulfur compounds into the stratosphere is a form of stratospheric aerosol injection, often referred to as geoengineering. So he's saying, oh, well, yes, that's that's geoengineering. Right.

Yeah, that's what they're doing. Yeah, thank you. Okay. Yeah. Because we were wondering why they were doing it, that was the point, okay? Well, which was also stated in our letter, by the way they're doing this, this is geoengineering. Did you know they're doing it? And then that's the response that we got.

So that was not very helpful. Yeah. And in the letter, they basically go on to explain that pursuant to the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy that was put out in 2022. There was a research plan that was put out in 2023. And they're saying in this letter, by the way, we contributed to that research plan on geoengineering. So we're a part of the research and the development. And then the rest of the letter, I won't read the whole thing to you in interest of time, but

they basically go on to explain why sulfur dioxide is bad and why they're supposed to be regulating it. and then that's it. We know it's bad. We're supposed to be regulating it. Thanks for your concern. Essentially. Well, obviously, we stated our concerns. What we do, we bring a lot of pressure through Aaron, Siri, and Glimstad, the law firm that

represents all the issues that we take on here. I want to point out that this isn't like any other news organization you watch. You name another news organization that takes some of the funding that comes in from our sponsors, which is you, and then sues the government, goes after the EPA and says, You need to stop this right away. Sulfra dioxide is a poison. You admit in your letter that it is, you're like, but we're looking into like spreading it in disguise and blocking the sun.

We think that should stop. Well, we want to announce breaking news really happened this week. The announcement by the EPA announces probe in a geoengineering company in response to legal letters from ICAN attorneys. They posted out of tweet Lee Zeldin said this, head of the EPA, make sunsets as a startup that is geoengineering by injecting sulfur dioxide to the sky and then selling cooling credits. This company is polluting the air we breathe.

I've instructed my team that we need to quickly get to the bottom of this and take immediate action. Oh my God, another huge win. I mean, this is so massive because of the pressure we're bringing, we are now affecting the EPA. So not just in the vaccine space, we're not just admitting that autism is an epidemic. We're not just removing chemical dyes from food.

We are going after geoengineering and having success. Now, I know those people say, but hey, that's not the lines in the sky. No, is that, but why is it important? Well, did you see this headline this week? This is what they're trying to do. Experiments to dim the sun will be approved within weeks. Scientists are considering brightening clouds reflect sunshine, and they're talking about releasing

this stuff up into the stratosphere, talking about the fact that Bill Gates is behind this. Well, look, when you are dealing with things on a legal issue, you need to set precedence as soon as you can. So getting Lee Zeldon to rule against us and say that is not allowed, well, then to do you then does that mean it's allowed in another nation into the same? Because by the way, we share the same stratosphere. That stuff is moving around. We want to make sure that we can nip that in the bud.

We are not just fighting on a national level now. We're fighting on an international level to make sure that they don't do something stupid like block out our sun. Forget what that stuff is when we breathe and it falls to Earth. There's a lot of sciences looking that we're going into a solar minimum, which means we're getting less output from the sun. We want to talk about the fact that maybe that's why we're seeing all these earthquakes that are connected with that. But one thing's for sure.

If we're about to start getting less sunshine and less heat, we do not want to be blocking out the sun. And here's a newsflash. I kind of believe God did a pretty good job in building this earth and creating it and creating us in his image and likeness. So I do not think it's a good idea to interfere with God and nature in this way. We are fighting for you, but we need your help. Obviously, we're not just stopping now at state boundaries, at national boundaries. We are seeing no boundaries on this earth that I can't do something about. So please, becoming recurring donor today, thehighwire.com.

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I am telling you this right now. It is my life mission to bring the truth about vaccines, the lack of studies, going on, but I can't do it alone. I need doctors. I need help. I need science because we're up against idiots on the news all day, 24 hours a day saying this. When it comes to vaccines, RFK Jr. is completely off the reservation. He again shows this consistent lack of intellectual curiosity. By voting to confirm Mr. Kennedy, that alone could get people killed. RFK Jr. has disparaged vaccines, and he's even tied the rise of chronic diseases

in the United States to the vaccine schedule. We will convene representatives of all viewpoints to study the causes for the drastic rise in chronic disease, a childhood vaccine schedule. Nothing is going to be off limits. Kennedy is deepening concerns about vaccine hesitancy, taking the wheel and driving us back to when we had to be concerned about diseases

like the measles, diphtheria, and polio. It's a terrifying reality. He says the measles vaccine is a leaky vaccine. I'm not even sure I know what that means. Kennedy is throwing distrust not just in vaccines, but in the entire system of scientists, physicians, and researchers that make up the very department he now runs. Kennedy is somewhat famous for suggesting that autism is caused in part by the use of vaccine.

Decades of data reviewed by dozens of organizations and hundreds of studies show there's no link between vaccines and autism. and autism vaccines do not cause autism. There is no link. It's been debunked. It's not, there's no link. Widely debunked by decades of research. So decades of research from across multiple continents. He is of the belief that that once you're born, that there are environmental toxins that are somehow affecting that, for which he has no evidence. He's just making it up. This idea that Robert Kennedy Jr. is just making it up that an environmental toxin could in any way, uh, because the issue of autism. Now, of course, this is all on the back of the announcement last week

when Robert Kennedy Jr. claimed that autism is an epidemic. It's now at 1 in 31, 1 in 20 boys, a shocking number, 1 in 12.5 boys in California right now. Just absolutely horrifying. But, you know, Paul Opitt will go down being a shill for pharma because he's made millions of dollars off of vaccines and he doesn't want to have that reputation tarnished. But what he said is the idea that Bobby Kennedy's just making it up. Really? just making it up. Let me just read some of the studies that we do know exist that Bobby Kennedy himself didn't actually do the study on. Here's just a few. This is Springer Nature Link. Autism Spectrum Disorder initiated by inflammation facilitated neurotoxin transport. Science Direct, association of

autism with toxic metals, a systematic review of case-controlled studies. Translation psychiatry, environmental toxicants, and autism spectrum disorders, a systematic review. Spring, Springer Nature Link again, toxicological status of children with autism versus neurotypical children in the association with autism severity. Overall, children with autism have higher average levels of several toxic metals and levels of several toxic metals are strongly associated with variations in the severity of autism for all three of the autism severity scales investigated. What? I thought that was just Bobby Kennedy. In utero exposure to toxic air pollutants and risk of childhood autism. Epidemiology. Science Direct. The association

of environmental toxicans and autism spectrum disorders in children. And Springer Nature Link, investigating the role of food pollutants in autism spectrum disorder of comprehensive analysis of heavy metals, pesticides, and mycotoxins. And here we go, autism open access, autism chemicals probable cause and mitigation, a new examination. These are all present, recent blood analysis of pregnant women and also in the fetal cord with some at-risk level concentrations. However, the two predominant neurotoxic elements that clearly stand out are aluminum and HG. I don't know what is it.

Mercury. Mercury. Furthermore, isotifically labeled experiments on animals coupled to fetal autopsies indicate that these are the form of A13, HGC, H5, plus can penetrate the usually tight blood brain barrier and enter the brain with the now known half-lives. pull off it, you're a shill. You're a liar and you are deathly damaging to this country and you should shut up because I just showed the science. It is not Robert Kennedy Jr.'s imagination. Environmental toxicants are clearly involved in this issue. I'm going to settle down now because I want to be joined by a true professional, someone that has done the, you know, and attacked and gone after and reviewed the settled science. Of course, I'm talking. I'm talking.

talking about Dr. Paul Thomas. Thanks, Del. I'm kind of revved up today. I'm glad you are. You know, I read some of those studies and there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these studies. Yes. What were the two most damaging, most frequently associated aluminum and mercury? Right.

So where is that coming from? Exactly. Yeah. We can answer that. We can absolutely answer that. Okay. Environmental pollution is bad. We're talking about autism and actually all chronic health diseases,

but if you're going to focus on autism, I know it's important to you, it's important to me. Yeah. It's what got me into this whole world, and we've got to figure this out, right? We get aluminum a little bit from the environment. Those are these toxicants. Yep. We get a little bit in our food. The CDC used to always say, oh, there's so much aluminum in formula.

Yeah. The vaccines are a fraction of that. Here's the key. What we ingest, 0.1% is absorbed. What you inject, 100% is absorbed. Wow. Most of the vaccines on the childhood schedule have way, way, way too much aluminum. More than is even when we talk about, I've talked about this before, the hepatitis B vaccine has more aluminum ever than ever proved to be eaten about. I think like it's like 10 times. 250 micrograms of aluminum. Yeah. The FDA had a document in 2001 not to exceed five micrograms per kilogram per day.

How many, how many kilograms is your average baby? Like three. Three kilograms. Three times five, 15 and you're injecting 20 and a little chubber. Right, 250 is what's being injected. James Lanswil and I published a study looking at aluminum content in infants in the various schedules and what we found was horrifying. If you look at how much aluminum is in the body for the first seven months of an infant's

life and you've got a toxicity line that's blue for children and a red line for adult toxicity. On vaccine days, whether it's the CDC schedule or the vaccine-friendly plan idea that I had in my book, we were exceeding safe levels, all schedules. So let me plug that book just for a second because this is what first brought you to my attention, the vaccine-friendly plan. I remember talking to some doctors that were far more like extreme, I guess, than you were. They're like Paul Thompson is still putting people in arm's way. He's still saying in this book that, you know, that vaccines, that they're okay if you can spread them out.

But at the heart, just very quickly, you ultimately do studies because how many patients did you end up having that helped you, you know, study VACs, partially VACs, unvaxed? How many patients in total did you treat throughout your career? Yeah. Throughout my career, I've probably treated 100,000. But when I started my own practice, at the time that I got my first data set in 2015 that went into the book, the Vaccine Friendly Plan, I had over 15,000 active patients. And we looked at the rate of autism, just as an example, for the unvaxed, I think there were 230 some, the vaccine-friendly plan Vaxed, they're a little over 1,000, and the CDC vaxed about 900. No autism in the unvaxed.

Three cases of autism that resolved in the vaccine-friendly plan and a rate of 1 in 60 in the CDC, which was the going rate at that time as well. Wow. So I really felt like it was making a difference using the vaccine-friendly plan. Yeah, and it was. It made a difference, right?

It still reduced it. Okay. But one of the things that sort of woke me up, that it's just not safe enough. Well, two things. Oh, lots of things. Yeah. I had a patient joined my practice

who had followed the vaccine friendly plan, which at that time, well, it still says this, wait until age three to do the MMR. Okay. And this family had done that, given the MMR, and their kid regressed into severe nonverbal autism. Right after it. Right after it.

So they came and told me this story. They weren't mad at me, they just, you know, they joined my practice because they were being forced to do more vaccines elsewhere. Wow. And so that was like, whoa, this isn't good. enough and I was starting to observe in my own patients I don't think it's safe enough it's still injecting too much aluminum it's still too many vaccines too soon

for young young infants and the real clincher was in 2019 the medical board was after me they wanted to shut me down ever since I wrote the vaccine friendly plan they asked me to prove if the vaccine friendly plan was as safe as the CDC schedule and we published the biggest single data set of vaxed unvaxed yeah we had 561 unvaxed, we had 2,700 and some vaccinated variably. Yeah. Only born into my practice.

I wanted a really clean data set. So they all got the same advice from me because they joined my practice as infants. They were born into my practice. So you get a lot that come in, they move into town, whatever, they leave their movement, moving out. And I would guess that's part of it, right?

You didn't want to contaminate, like if someone's coming to you a lot of times, if they're coming in midway, it's because they're your child is already getting sick, they believe, from vaccines, which isn't going to give the vaccine side a good look. Right. Right? So you're like, let me start fresh.

Let's get some clean data. Okay, got it. Because even those newborns who are coming in, a lot of them had siblings who had autism who were vaccine injured. And those families were being kicked out of their practices. This became an okay thing to do in pediatrics for the last 10 years. If you're not following the CDC schedule, you're out of here. Well, where did they go?

They all ended up in my practice. Dell, I was seeing three to four families a week. tears bawling their eyes out, and parents bawling their eyes out, because they watched their child get a set of vaccines, usually included the MMR, but not always, and they lost their kid to severe nonverbal autism. And the kids there in the room clearly, severely harmed, and they wished they had known better.

But they weren't going to do it to their next kid, so that's why they're in my office. Okay. Right? So we had this clean data set of babies. Which is also interesting to you, because right the next child being born in, if there are genetic susceptibilities,

which we have to assume there are. We know that not every child under this toxic load is getting autism, so why are some kids more vulnerable? So you're even looking at patients that have genetic, would argue, potentially a higher risk population. A higher risk population, exactly the term. Yeah.

I was searching for there. And that's what I was worried about. The data would be confused by that fact. Okay. So even with a higher risk population, We're only looking at babies that I started with at birth, usually prenatal. Okay. And I'm telling them no vaccines during pregnancy, no Hep B at birth, those ones are easy to,

that just makes common sense. Yeah, totally. Babies are not having sex or IV drug use. They don't need a hepatized B vaccine when their mom doesn't have Hep B. The fact that that's happening in this country to 99% of babies born in American hospitals is a massive tragedy. Agreed. Just by itself. So we looked at that data, and Dell, I had a sense that was what was going.

on because I had two waiting rooms in my office, a well and a sick room. When I started practiced in 2008, they were both full. By the time I retired in December 2022, there was hardly ever anybody in the sick room. And the well side was standing room only. So I knew something was going on, but the data, when you saw that data, it was published in the International Journal of Public Health. All right, we're looking at this as sort of just sort of walk me through. It's a little bit small from here, but we'll look at all that, see, asthma, allergies, and you're looking at all the see asthma, allergens, you have all sorts of different issues.

So the orange line is the vaccinated group. Okay. And the blue line is the unvaccinated. And along the bottom is 10 years of data. And over, as they age and get more vaccines, you see that for all these conditions, if you're vaccinated, and these aren't generally CDC vaccinated. These are generally vaccine-friendly plan.

These are lightly vaccine-friendly vaccine. Or less. Or less. So you see a four to eight. eight times increase or relative. What's shocking looking at right now is that there isn't even one arbitrary issue where actually vaccinations did use some good. No.

There's literally not one place where the blue line overcomes the orange line. So what are the areas of health that are being affected by these vaccines? It's neurodevelopmental issues, developmental delays, speech delays, language delays, autism, ADD, ADHD. Yeah. It's allergies and autoimmunity. It's asthma, eczema, allergies, allergic rhinitis, and it's infections. Now, the infections one was the one that was like, wow.

We vaccinate so that our kids won't get sick. Yeah. Right? Isn't that the whole point? I thought so. The vaccinated are getting sick from everything. More ear infections, more sinus infections, more lung infections, more skin infections, more all infections combined.

And we're talking three to four times more. So you know how we're shamed? not it's you unvaxed families you're making you're putting the other kids at risk yeah this blows that narrative out of the water yeah it's who gets somebody else sick well a sick person does who's getting sick the vaccinated right a healthy well unvaccinated child is no threat to anyone in fact they're they're providing the shield of protection yeah and with this COVID thing if we had just let the kids go to school no mask no social distancing almost no children

would have died, they would have all developed robust immunity, and they would have protected Grandma instead of this charade that happened. I mean, it's just, yeah, it drives me insane. Absolutely amazing. So I turned in my license in December of 2022. Because you've been under just massive constant attack. Massive constant attack. I was still suing the... It must be hard to get some work done. It was tough. Another letter's like, I've got to go do whatever they want me to do, jump in all these hoops. That was the happiest day, no, it was the happiest day of my life when I made, finally made that decision. Now, I still went after the medical board, and that's another whole story that's actually just wrapped up. But that set me free, letting go of my license.

I really, I needed my license for my practice to survive. I needed my license to survive economically, or so I thought. Yeah. And it's a scary thing for a doctor to do something that will probably kill their career. Yeah. Which I started with the vaccine-friendly plan, And I finished off with being vocal and then publishing that data. My license was emergently suspended a few days after I published that data that we looked at. I was a threat to public health. Of course you are.

Interesting thing, they let me get it back with stipulations. And the stipulations, listen to this, I couldn't do research on my patients, so I couldn't share any data from my practice. What were they worried about? I couldn't speak about vaccines to anyone, not my patients, not my staff. And I couldn't do well childcare. And well, child care is basically a code for we're going to give vaccines. So it's okay.

I'm now free and I've written this new book, Vax Fax. Amazing, you know, just and I want to get into that. One of the things that's very troubling right now is we just discovered, I think it was last week, that Aaron Siri pointed out, I guess he's been interacting with Robert Kennedy Jr. But before Kennedy took, you know, control over at HHS, it appears they've dismantled the VHS. the very database we've been wanting to do the Vax versus unvaccinated study in it's not accessible anymore it's they've given it all back to the different HMOs and everything it came from and obliterated it wow it's been obliterated wow which is

it shows you exactly what you just said yeah they didn't want me to do the study on my own patients and they clearly don't want the study being done on the major database that is it would have all of the answers what are they afraid of right they know what are they afraid of and by the way Bobby was promising to make it public to make sure the VSD could be so that everyone could see if the studies could be replicated. They didn't want any of that. They've dismantled it. To me, that's a crime. We're going to figure out if we can, you know, put people in jail for that. I mean, it's just, it just doesn't stop. These people are so twisted and so sick. Go after guys like you in your career for telling

the truth. But let's get back into, so now you have a new book. Vax facts. I love this book. I love the fact that But this one, you know, this was a great start. Good start. You get a D-minus. But, as, you know, because I don't, I've said it before, I don't vaccinate my kids. They're very healthy. I'm not, you know, anything can happen. I'm not going to tell anyone what they should do with their lives, you know.

Things happen. We all make our decisions. But tell me the journey. What's the difference? So you went from here, you've done all that work. Yeah. What is it that you really want people to know is in this book now? Well, first of all, I want people to know that this is the book that will give you informed consent.

If you're seeing a regular pediatrician or a typical doctor, they will give you what they're calling informed consent, which is a one-page glossy called a Viz, Vaccine Information Sheet, and they hand that to you, and then they come in to give you your vaccines. And it's just propaganda. You're not told the risks. You're not told the fact that these vaccines were never properly tested for safety. you're not told the dangers. You're told, actually, the risk is one in a million

when the risk is about one in 20 for a serious adverse event for most vaccines. I mean, it's like ridiculous. I mean, like, I just want to point to, do we have a vaccine insured? If you can find just one of the lists of all the side effects, this may be too quick for the team, but let me just make the point I'm going to make.

Like when I put up, pull up the MMR, I mean, you've got Guillain Barre, Transverse, Myelite. I mean, this is just in the like the potential neurological disorders. You know, you've got Bell's Palsy, all of this. There's like 20 things there ending with encephalitis, you know, swelling of the brain. And that's just that part. There's skin irritations, all that like Stephen Johnson syndrome. Like, I mean, the list just goes, when you look at it, there's a hundred potential side effects. One of the points I made at a Ron Johnson hearing, Senator Ron Johnson was they tell you vaccine injury is one in a million. So what's the one in a

million is one in a million is going to get the Stephen Johnson syndrome where the skin is falling off or is it one to a million gets encephalitis or and at one point when you keep saying it's rare well if every one of these time you get a vaccine just one of these things is a rare possibility what about two of these things or three here we go just look at this folks look at all the potential this is just the mmr a cardiovascular is pancreatitis i mean i don't thrombocytesopinia the blood issues, anaphylaxis, I mean, and then the nervous system. Look at how many, these are known potential side effects written right inside of the vaccine itself. So my question is this, if one of those things is rare, but add it to two or times it by three or four or five or

20 or a hundred different things that can happen to my child, which you just listed there. So all 100, is that rare? Is it rare that all 100 of these things are possible? And then I'm going to three of these shots or two of these shots or five of these shots or ten at one time. So let's just take that a little further, Del. Yeah. We just got the new data for autism. Yeah. You just highlighted earlier in the segment for four-year-old boys in California, one and twelve and a half.

They usually do data for eight-year-olds. So when those four-year-olds are eight, it's going to be more. Because they're going to be diagnosed even more. They keep diagnosing more. So by the time, the usual amount, the actual rate for boys is somewhere less than one and 12 in California. Gee, what. And that's data that's on, it's published from 2022, but it's on eight-year-olds.

So it's data from 2014. What's happening to kids born today? Wow. And especially if they were even getting the COVID jab. The rates are already headed in an extraordinarily dangerous. So let's just say one in 10 or worse have autism. Already one in six have ADD, ADHD. One in 10 or 12 have asthma.

That's just three conditions. You saw on my data, it's causing all sorts of things. That are far from one in a million. Basically, literally in... Basically, everyone who's getting a vaccine is affecting their child's health negative. I think we can move from rare to likely. Highly likely. Highly likely.

It's going to have negative effects. Highly likely. Right. Severe vaccine injury is likely. Okay. Wow. That's the scary part. Here's the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about.

We don't know what causes autism. Bologna. It's crystal clear. A lot of doctors. have a problem with causation, association and causation, right? Correlation, causation, right. So what takes you from a correlation or an association to a causation? You need to have a couple things.

You need to have multiple studies showing the same thing. You showed hundreds of how toxins can do it. We have many now, I've listed many of in my book, faxed to unvaxed. To do a proper study to get to that point, you've got to compare vaccinated to unvaccinated. It's just you got to do it. And there are days.

that's out there that can be run and it's there. Yeah. Okay, so you have multiple studies, we have those. Then you have to have a mechanism. It has to be reasonable explanation that, well, it makes sense. We now understand what's happening. Aluminum in particular, which was one of the highest toxins we talked about and mercury, those two. Aluminum is in most of the vaccines.

Mercury is still in the multi-dose flu shot and in trace amounts in other vaccines. What these are doing is they're causing immune activation, which causes brain inflammation, which causes brain inflammation, causes leaky gut, leaky brain, and now all toxins are magnified. It's causing direct toxicity. And there's all sorts of mechanisms with inflammatory markers that we now have proven in studies that are showing we're creating massive brain inflammation. Brain on fire might look like autism. Right.

And it's proven that it does. So we have the mechanisms. The elephant in the room is right in front of us. So there's a pretty simple solution. You figured it out way before I did, stop vaccinating and see what happens. There's this fear. I know you asked me this many years ago when I was on your show, what would happen? Tell the pediatricians if we stop vaccinating today, what would happen?

You know what? A lot of healthier kids. You would see these atrocious numbers, not just of autism, but chronic health conditions, dropped to almost zero, not zero. Because our world is so toxic today that even if we got rid of the vaccines, there's going to be a few cases of some of these conditions. We've got to get rid of the red dyes and all the food dies. That's happening.

We've got to get rid of the pesticides, that whole list if we get that going. And then you stop vaccinating and you eat organic and you don't take Tylenol, which magnifies all toxins, acetaminophen. You could make like three or four little moves for your family and you're going to be almost guaranteed healthy children. I mean, when Robert Kennedy Jr. ran and got himself in the HHS, he's saying, you know, President Trump has given him two years. to reverse the trend of the chronic disease epidemic, autism being one of them.

You just mentioned a few, like, what would you think if you want to show like an absolute change? I get asked this by the press. Yeah. What are you doing? How are you actually going to reverse chronic illness? What should I tell them? Well, there's only a few things you need to do, honestly. Stop COVID immediately.

Get it off the childhood schedule and it should be banned for all people, honestly. Yep. And then halt all mandates and stop all vaccines. unless people want them. I mean, I'm not telling people they can't have them if they really want them. But if you'll stop them completely and then you, you, awareness not to use Tylenol ever, basically acetaminophen, quit using it. On that front, if someone has to have some form of a pain killing the house for whatever

reason, is there a better one to use? You know, if you're over six months, you can do ibuprofen for most situations that's better than Tylenol. At least you're not blocking glutathione and your major detox molecule. But you can use turmeric with honey if you're over a year, you can use honey. a wet cloth and you'll sponge off that heat as water evaporates off your body, your fever just goes down. There are a lot of things one can do.

And fever, first of all, people remember, fever's not your enemy. If you have an infection, your fever is actually your body's response that will help kill that infection. But I mean, right there and eat organic, as supplement vitamin D, most people are highly deficient. Vitamin D 3 with K2 and get your levels optimal. And I bet you just those few measures would absolutely transform our society. You have a line that really jumped out of me, I think it's in chapter 14, about the well baby visit. If we can pull that up, I just, it was, it was dramatic. I mean,

when I was thinking, how far have we come from the vaccine-friendly plan all the way to this? The six-month well-baby visit is the most dangerous doctor visit babies ever encounter. I want every parent reading this right now. They are scheduled to get 10 different vaccines at once, Hep B, D-TAP, of course, F-3, IPV, Hib, pneumocococcal, rotavirus, flu, and COVID. So you believe that six-month well-baby visit is the most dangerous visit to the doctor you're ever going to have. I can add to that a little bit, if I may. Please.

The newborn visit in the hospital where you're getting that HEPB, that HEPB, has 250 micrograms of what I think is the absolute worst aluminum, the one that's made by Merck. Propriotary, there's something wrong with that aluminum. It's just dangerous. Okay. Two months and four months are almost as bad as that. they're just not quite as many because they added the COVID and the flu at six months. Okay.

But otherwise they're pretty close to bed. The one year or 15 month is now right up there. Yeah. So you've got MMR. You're a little bit older though than six months. Does that matter? It matters to some extent. Okay.

Your ability to process toxins is a little better. Your body weight's a little better so you can handle toxins a little bit. Your immune system is a little better so you can probably handle the hit a little bit. Yeah. Here's why the one year or a 15 months, whenever they're doing it, especially if they do it all at once or they're doing a catch up, which pediatricians seem to think it's okay to catch up. In other words, you can give 15, 20 vaccines at once, it's okay. But just the standard one year now, you've got the measles, mumps, Rebellah, that's three and probably the most dangerous vaccine prior to COVID. Well, the HPVs pretty bad too.

That one, that was, I always say, the reigning winner of the world's worst vaccine was HPV prior to the COVID. the COVID. But MMR and its relationship to autism, which is undeniable, you covered it in your movie Vax. I mean, we've known now for a while. Yeah. MMR, chicken pox. Hep B, if you're not completely up to date, HEPA is started then. You've got your final boosters for Prevnar, Hib, and you might be getting a T-Dap. You're going to get a COVID shot. You're going to get a flu shot. You're close to 10 shots right there. I think it is 10. I just didn't count on my fingers. Yeah. That's a scary time because those are four live viruses, measles, mumps, rebella, and chicken

pox. It's already known high risk for seizures. Many of those seizure kids end up permanently with epilepsy, ongoing lifelong seizures. And then I think here's the problem. You've loaded these kids up with aluminum. One of the studies that you listed earlier on your segment had a study in there that showed that the inorganic aluminum, that's what's in vaccines, that gets to the brain, has a half-life of 20 years. My prior study was seven years and I saw that one's going, whoa, that's a lifetime.

Yeah. That aluminum that's in your brain is there for a lifetime. And you keep adding to it with more and more vaccines and everything else. We're loading these kids up with aluminum. We've already created inflammation. We've already created immune activation, leaky gut, leaky brain. And then you give three, four really potent live viruses. Yeah. And you wonder why their brain is on fire and they regress into autism and, you know,

you know, neurodevelopment delays, et cetera. The vaccine schedule is an absolute disaster. It's never been studied as the schedule in its entirety. None of the individual vaccines have ever been studied with a proper placebo. They only look for a few days or a few weeks for side effects. They never look at all health outcomes. It's a joke. It's junk, science, tobacco science.

And we are taking our kids in with that as the rationale for doing it. Like you were mad at Paul Offutt, I am too. He should know better. Yeah. I mean, we have to know better. parents we've got to stand and protect our kids read Vax Fax because that will give you the the science behind this what all is in here like if you want to just sort of break it down what are they going to get inside this book because I mean look a lot of

people watching this show go yeah I kind of get I want to say this right away this is the book for that friend that's pregnant right now yeah this is like before go ahead be bold get in there do something actually save the child's life in fact I want to lay a little guilt trip on you if you have a friend and they're pregnant and you didn't hand this book and they end up having any sort of autoimmune issues or things like that. I want that to live on your conscience. I don't want you to get away. I don't want to let yourself off the hook any longer. We have got a battle now. Again, we've got to save our species. We're going under 12.5 in California, folks. You need to take initiative.

Even to visit your issue, you don't have to be Del Beach. You don't have to be Dr. Paul Thomas, but you can say, hey, I got a gift for you. Here you go. I really think you ought to read this. Yeah, no, absolutely. So Del what's in there is a change in my philosophy and why. There's a start off with a chapter on informed consent, which is basically anybody that's proposing to do anything to your body. Yeah. Should give you the options of the risks, the benefits, but one of the options must be the option to say no. So mandates are out. You have the right to say no.

You're not putting that in my body. Okay. I love when in this book, when you get into where you come from, you cover an issue that really gets, because you come from Africa. You come from Rhodesia, correctly. You were born there. So you saw a world without vaccines. You saw kids dying. You get into that.

Like what is a world without vaccines? You've seen it all. So you bring such a depth of understanding of all the arguments that are made against this. So, you know, we're going to go back to the dark ages, back to like where I was in Africa. There were more infant deaths in Africa. And there's still a lot of parts of the world where there's a lot more infant mortality. But guess what? It's not generally from the diseases that we have vaccines for.

It's from dysentery. It's from diarrhea. It's from lack of access to IV. fluids when you have such a bad diarrheal disease that you can't keep anything down and you dehydrate and die. Yeah. So no, we won't go back to the dark ages. If you have access to health care, you'll be fine.

So this book also then covers in the second segment, I take, this is for all ages and stages, by the way. There's a chapter for adults, but we go from pregnancy to infancy all the way to teens and adults, and we cover all the vaccines, what's in them, the risks, the benefits. I've got to tell you something that came out of doing all of this. I stumbled on data. This is hard to believe if you haven't heard this before. For every single vaccine on the childhood schedule, your risk of death, we're just looking at death, because that's what parents fear the most.

I don't want my child to die of this disease for which we have a vaccine. How could I live with myself? Your risk of dying from the vaccine far exceeds your risk of death from the disease. You can say that unequivocally. unequivocally, for every single disease for which we have a vaccine. So what are you afraid of? If you're afraid of your child dying, do not give them a vaccine. Right.

Period. You should be afraid of some of these other things when severe autism is just skyrocketing. These are kids who need lifelong care. Yeah. Yeah. So we cover what's in the vaccines. We cover all the vaccines. And then I think a couple people who've read it said,

you should have put that chapter first, the vaxed, unvaxed chapter. I mean, it's got my data and analyzed more depth, but it's got all the other studies. When you see that, because that hasn't been done well in the past, we now have enough data to go, wow, I didn't know that. If you vaccinate, you're more likely to get ADD, ADHD, learning disabilities, you're more likely to get autism. You're more likely to get air infections, other infections, GI problems. I also want to point out that the study you did, what did you say was about 500 versus 2,000, something with? Yeah, 561, unvaxed. Against 200, oh, 2007.

So just people say, well, I mean, that's not a ton. I want to point out, 147 children were in the trial for the hepatitis B vaccine that lasted for five days. Right. That decided that every baby in America, you know, should get one on day one of life. So while we compare how the CDC does it and how Dr. Paul Thomas does it, I want to point out that's a pretty robust study that we're looking at. It is. And I want to, for clarity, because it's not really clear unless you read the fine print, Those graphs that we looked at, the vaccinated orange and the unvaxed blue, we had five times as many vaccinated.

So to make those graphs be apples to apples, we multiplied the unvaxed number by five. Okay. So it's truly that's the difference. Wow. Wow. It's quite powerful. There's a section at the end of each chapter by my partner, Dee Hoover, who goes by Just a Mom. Okay.

It just makes this book readable for people who like the science just overwhelms you. In case he was getting too complicated. Let me just break this down. Here we go. Here's a page just to summarize. Yeah, whoo, that was a lot, but here's the point. I love that. Dr. Paul Thomas, you, first of all, I love, I think you're moving the right direction with the vest there.

It's a good look. Yeah. You're my brother from another mother, and I saw you always with a vest. I'm going to do that next time I'm on his stage. This is actually my first time publicly being in a vest. It's a good look. It works. Yeah, well. And I also want to say, I know I've been with you.

We've had many conversations over the years as you were grappling with. I'm just tired of fighting. I'm spending all my time fighting and I'm not really saving children. I'm not getting the message out to finally make that decision. You know, once they've taken it from me, they've got nothing else to attack me with. I want to tell the truth. That's what you've done here. And I have to say you're wearing it well.

The confidence with which you're talking about, the way it flows. it is clear that God has decided that the next step for you is this right here. I'm so glad that you made a decision and it is clearly working for you. We're going to do everything that we can to get this out there. For everybody right now, I just want you to know, people say, Del, thanks for being brave. You know what brave is? Brave is walked away from a doctor's salary and career. We are actually taking care of children, deciding to inform you, saying it's more important that I get you the truth.

So can we all do, you know, do Dr. Paul Thomas a favor and not just for him, but for our children, for your friends, as I've said, pick up a couple of copies of this. We want everyone in the world holding this because that's what's going to also expand the Maha moms movement beyond it just being about the chemical dyes, which is super important. But how far are they going to get if they're starting, if they're pre-priming their baby with a hepatitis B vaccine on day one? I mean, you know, making all those other issues, what they are, empowering those, this is where you want to get. And if you are having children, thinking of having children, wondering if you should maybe get off the vaccine program, this book meets you wherever you're at. It's a tour to force. I've been wanting to write, I swear I've been wanting to write this book for quite some time. I am proud to say it has finally been done right here.

So Dr. Paul Thomas, once again, thank you for taking the time. Thank you, Dale. I'm going to see you and off the record in just a moment here. We're going to get into some deeper personal issues, maybe what this journey has been like. But first, speaking of celebrating Warrior Moms, last year we talked about Leslie Manuking and bringing a bill in Idaho.

Another great friend of ours, Bernadette Pager, has got a bill down in Tennessee that's taking a totally different approach that I think is very unique. Take a look at this. My name is Bernadette Pager, and I'm here representing myself. For about 10 years, I've been an advocate for fully informed consent and scientific integrity in public health policy.

This was a problem prior to COVID, where a lot of us were noticing that the messaging coming out of the CDC pushed through the states was not actually based on product, known risks, capabilities, that sort of thing. And so it's been a big mission during COVID. This was amplified when we saw messaging coming out. on brand new MR technology products, for instance, where they did not complete phase three trial studies, those still have not been completed, and yet they were being marketed as safe and effective,

and even for six-month-old babies and pregnant women, even though there were no studies to back that up. And so this caused a lot of distrust. You had people who were trying to really closely follow science and others who are listening to marketing messages, And it did divide families. It tore families apart. It tore marriages apart.

There were people who were left in nursing homes who couldn't have their loved ones visit because they refused to get the shot. And they ended up spiraling into depression and dying alone. And we don't want to ever see this happen again. And as Susan said, the Department of Health understands the goals of this bill.

And they looked at the language. We worked on it to narrow the focus here to just the vaccines mask and emergency use authorized products. And they understand the goal of what this is and how important it is to restore trust in the messaging coming out of public health. So I hope you will pass this bill today. Thank you. Well, it's my honor and pleasure to be joined right now by Bernadette Brager. Thank you so much. First of all, we go way back. I remember standing on the steps in California against SB 277 before Vax even came out. So it's great to see you again. Thank you for

for being a part of this fight for so long. Well, thank you so much, Del. And I didn't meet you in California. I met you in Washington State. Oh, I'm sorry. I missed another one of those battles, okay? Washington State. Another battle came out.

It was wonderful. In fact, I remember you and I sitting on the floor outside of a junior senator's office. And we were talking about that we needed something really big to happen to turn this train around. This was in 2019. We were fighting a bill to remove a personal exemption. We had no idea it would be COVID, but look where we are.

It's amazing. It really is. Now, this is a very interesting bill because in some ways it's counterintuitive for me. So I want you to explain it. Essentially, you're saying that the state officials in Tennessee cannot make statements that are not backing up and approved statements and understanding by. the FDA. Is that right? You're relying on the language of the FDA? Yes, exactly. But first of all, it's law. It passed. So this is law in Tennessee. Congratulations. Amazing. All right. Yeah,

thank you. But I was just listening to you with Dr. Paul. And you know how you brought up a product insert and said if parents would just read this product insert. Look at what it says. Well, basically, this law says that the public health department, the executive office, and anybody receiving grant money for purposes of talking about vaccines have and masks and emergency use products as well, they have to stick to product labeling. They cannot say anything that conflicts or is not supported by product labeling. So that approved product labeling by the FDA. So EUA, it doesn't matter what the EUA is saying they're going to allow for something. That's not actually what the product states is Well, the bill includes the language of both either product, licensed products or authorized products.

So if it's a EUA product, they have to follow the EUA rules and laws, which your show talked about so much over the past. Well, when you just talked about COVID, we were the first ones to point out a day before the vaccine was available to the public. And we saw the EUA, the FDA official, a statement inside of that on stopping transmission. was we do not know if this product can stop transmission. The studies were unable to sort of determine that. So you're saying that would have stopped then the people, the leadership in the state of Tennessee from being able to say it's 95% effective at stopping COVID. Well, no, actually the FDA determined it has no idea if it can stop. And you would use that to sort of block that languaging. Yes, absolutely. And that's the hope with everything moving forward, that we will be able to do that. Now, how,

the Department of Health and the Executive Office responds to this, we'll just have to see. They have until the 1st of July to set up a process so they can begin ensuring that what they say follows this law. And they have until the first of next year in order to pull all of the information that conflicts with this law. So they've got a lot of work ahead of them. There's some really important issues around pregnancy that is huge. When we've pointed out flu shots never been tested on pregnant women, things like that,

do you feel like this can sort of also be used in that space? Absolutely. So any product insert, any product labeling that says this product has not been, we don't have enough data to weigh in on safety for pregnant women, they won't be able to say that. So this right here wouldn't be allowed, folks. I mean, if they have to stick to what the FDA has determined as true, then this is not speaking the truth from the FDA perspective. Yes.

Now, what will be really challenging will be if, say, I submit that, so there's going to be a process at the AG's office, the Attorney General's office is going to set up something. You can file a complaint. Now the language of that promotion that you just saw, are they going to, it says see your doctor. It is implying safety. It is implying women should get the vaccine. And so we need to see how it's going to play out. see if the intent of the bill is honored. So if they do not cooperate and they try to find some

gray area, well, we'll just go back and edit it and, you know, and try to remove any wiggle room they may try to have. But they actually were cooperative with us. We had no opposition to the bill. There was no opposing testimony. Wow. Yeah, I know. I mean, I keep saying it's the, it's the benefited side effect of the COVID pandemic, which was a horrific experience. So many injured, I don't want to take that lightly, but it did open a lot of eyes. And I said at the moment it was happening, folks, march into your state capitals, march into your legislators now. They finally recognize that vaccine injury is real, that our CDC and our FDA can put out misinformation or lie, especially the Tony Fauci's of the world, the experts can spread non-reaching.

You sent this a commercial, and this is a commercial that would not any longer be allowed in Tennessee now that this bill has been passed. Take a look at this. We Tennesseans all have a choice to make in our fight against COVID-19. I choose to enjoy live music. I choose to cheer on my team. I choose to go out. I choose to stay healthy. I choose to celebrate with my family. The choice is simple. Choose to live your life and choose to live responsibly. Face it, masks fight COVID-19. It's so great to see all of those types of stupid commercials come to an end. So, you know, whether or not Donald Trump ever like removes direct to consumer marketing,

I really love that you've sort of used the system in, you know, against itself to say, hey, you're all going to have to be harmonized here and that's going to be a problem. Yeah, right now, you know, we are. Our movement has used product labeling, especially for vaccines, in order to educate. It's the best we have at this point. Is it perfect? No. But that's why I also built into this law, a section that says, this does not prohibit

the commissioner, the state executive branch, or any person subject to this from publicly expressing criticism of or disagreement with vaccine mask or emergency use authorized product, authorization approval or labeling decisions by the FDA. This could go either way, but what it does is it frees up free speech. So if we do get a really good commissioner of health who acknowledges that Ivermectin is useful, he can get up in a public way and state this. Now they can't promote it as if it's on the product label, but they can discuss it, right? If you go the other way, they might say, oh, we think.

I see what you're saying you don't want to limit people to go when the FDA is saying they're not sure about Ivermectin, something you want to be able to have that conversation. Good catch. Good catch there. Although I used actually a bad example because the bill does not cover Ivermectin. The bill only covers vaccines, masks, and emergency use products. Okay. So I apologize for using an example not included in this.

But it helps us get the idea. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I just felt that was really important to allow to have that free speech to happen. There's going to be a process that people can file the complaints. And so we're just going to have to see really how it pans out. It also will prohibit, like the Tennessee Department of Health has a couple of times put out messaging to health care providers to encourage them to co-administer COVID-19 flu and the new RSV products.

And there are zero safety studies on this co-administration. So the bill explicitly prohibits that if there are. are not studies completed that show that that is safe. So that's another thing they won't be able to do. How this is going to pan out with the CDC schedule and them talking about the CDC schedule? Because as you know, not only have all the vaccines in a single visit not been studied together, but the entire schedule has not been studied together. So. So here's it's going to actually, and I love that it opens up a place where, you know, that we might look at with Aaron in Siri where we might be able to push into this language now and say, hey, because this language,

you can no longer state that the entire vaccine, you know, we're going to look at that. You've opened up a door, which is all we can do with this legislation. It's why I wanted to have this conversation. It's very unique. Do you think that every state should pass this or was it just specific to Tennessee? Is this, you know, just where you thought you could sort of crack the door and enter in? What was the thinking behind it? Yeah, I think every state should consider. consider it. Like I said, we need to see how it unfolds and what happens at the federal level. But I think that don't we ultimately want to get to a place in this nation where we've got a federal agency that is putting out accurate product information. You always want your freedom to whether or not you can choose that product.

But when you refer somebody to that labeling, they should be able to trust it. And so I think that the time is now to move in that direction. It's a shame that we are having to, as citizens, forward bills like this and laws like this. It would have been nice if they had taken the step on their own. But my direct interaction with the public health was not as friendly as their engagement over the bill. So I'm grateful that they were friendly over the bill.

It's kind of the, it's what the momentum of the movement is. The maha moms, they don't want to, they know now that we have voting power and as much as they want to push back, it's not the same anymore, is it? These conversations aren't the same ones We were having back in 2019, we were trying to talk about medical freedom and vaccines. We have definitely turned a corner.

The energy is different. I love that people like you, Bernadette, did not go to sleep, say, oh, well, good, I can move on. You know, you are continuing to put the pedal, you know, the pedal to the medal, making a difference in this world. It's truly spectacular. I want to just congratulate you on being such a hero, brave Maha Mom out there. Great work and congratulations.

Thank you so much, Joe. the organization, if people want to get involved, here it is, stand for healthfreedom.com slash Tennessee. Yes. All right. Keep up the great work. Stay in touch. And hopefully I'll see you soon.

Thank you, Dale. Take care. All right, take care. I'm pretty jazzed today. I think it's clear. I'm wired up because I can feel the momentum. I can feel so much that we've worked so hard for. is finally we've got an ear inside of Washington.

The media is having to deal with us. The media cannot attack the levels it has. And these conversations are harder and harder for them to support. You know, it's really hard. I'm sure they have the food industry calling them saying, you've got to attack this taking chemicals out of food. How do we make that sound good? How do we do that?

This is what's happening. So it's very exciting. There's tons of work to do. but I really also want to just put out a warning right now. Being in this movement as I have since I sort of entered in around 2015-2016, for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction, Newton's Law on that. I kind of think about life that way. We are having so many wins right now,

and I want you to recognize multi-billion-dollar corporations are furious. They're furious that they lost control of the H.H. Secretary position. They're furious that the news outlets are having trouble fighting on their side any longer, no matter how much money they're throwing at them. They are sitting in think tanks right now. They are trying to figure out how to tear this movement apart. How to tear the moms across America. I was going to say, but the Maha moms, they're looking at everything. Can we undermine it? Can we divide them somehow? I just want you all right now as you revel as I am in all the successes, as we look to the horizon for what is possible, recognize these people disappeared the vaccine safety data link. 10 million people in a database where all studies on vaccines have been done for decades.

The same database that our Congress spent a million dollars on a study to say do the vaccinated versus unvaccinated study because we know we've proved the Institute of Medicine. and said you have tens of thousands of unvaccinated individuals in here. You can do the Dr. Paul Thomas study high-powered, not just hundreds, tens of thousands and millions being observed. We've been saying that database is where the answers are. And I've been saying on this show, you could do the study in probably minutes with AI and computer learning and everything that's possible. And the moment before Bobby gets in there to be able to do that study, what did they do?

They obliterated it. This is how sick these people are. This is what we're up against. So please get strong, harden your medal. Get ready right now because we have won some big battles. But this war is not over. Don't let them divide us. Don't let them conquer us.

Right now they are trying to figure out a way. Remember who's got us here. Remember who you trust. Remember who has stood with you in this battle. Hold each other up now. Brace for it. Brace for it. Trust me.

They're coming. And the High Wire will stand with you every step of this battle into the end. I love you and I'll see you next week. I'm High Wire.