The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 433: AFTERMATH

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Guest host Jefferey Jaxen is joined by Dr. Pete Chambers, John Chase Taylor, and disaster recovery expert Steve Slepcevic to unpack the catastrophic flooding in Central Texas. Geoengineering researcher Jim Lee weighs in on the controversial debate around weather modification.The Jaxen Report dives into Congress’s vaccine injury hearings, a new JAMA study showing a rise in chronic childhood illness, RFK Jr.’s defunding of GAVI, the FDA’s mixed messaging on myocarditis and Moderna approval for kids, and growing concerns over fluoride, PFAS, and other hidden toxic exposures.Investigative journalist Alex Newman closes out the show with a deep dive into the rapid advance of AI, the transhumanist agenda, and the global control systems driving this digital transformation.Guests: Dr. Pete Chambers, Steve Slepcevic, John Chase Taylor, Jim Lee, Alex NewmanBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Yeah! Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are in the world, it's time to step out on the high wire. I'm Jeffrey Jackson. I'll be your host today filling in for Dell Bigtree, and we have a jam-pack show. We have not one, not two, but three guests, and a massive amount of news. So I'm going to jump right into it.

Here in Texas, something happened just about two weeks ago now. We're talking about the floods that ravaged Kerr County as a Guadalupe River overflowed and caused a lot of damage down there. And this was watched by people around the world. We have colleagues in the UK saying, what is going on? People are talking about this in my hometown. This has worldwide attention on it. And if anybody doesn't know what happened, here's the news.

Breaking right now, flooding disaster in the Texas Hill country. They're saying this is devastating and catastrophic flooding. The flooding happened in the middle of the night in several towns along the river. People in Kerrville said the water didn't just rise. It swallowed everything inside. In some places between 12 and 15 inches fell in a matter of a couple of hours as the Guadalupe River rose by 26 feet in 45 minutes. A frantic search continues to find 27 children who were swept away while staying at a Christian summer camp in Kerr County on the edge of the Guadalupe River. First responders racing to save people trapped in trees treading through floodwaters or stuck in their homes.

You also have RV parks where we've heard witnesses say that they saw entire families washed away, but also folks who were visiting the area from out of town, folks that were here to enjoy the 4th of July on the Guadalupe River. There are nine state teams here with 500 people on the ground. There are helicopters and drones continuing to search. He said they are checking under every rock. They are checking the trees because there were accounts of campers hanging from trees at one point. Meanwhile, claims are circulating and recirculating online, blaming the deadly flooding seen earlier this month on a weather modification technique known as cloud seeding. The CEO of a weather modification company confirmed.

that planes in Texas did release silver Iode into the atmosphere two days before the floods, but it does not mean that the two events are connected. Now you can see there we ended that segment on some of the possible causes of what may have transpired with this flood. But I want to bring the latest news. We have 134 as the death toll that has reached so far because of these floods. Still people missing. We have one of our own cameramen down there embedded into the disaster. disaster response team. And I want to bring them in now. I want to bring in Steve Sletsebleik. Steve, it's always great to have you on the show, but under these circumstances, it's really, it's really unfortunate. And I see you're with some gentlemen there. Why don't

you introduce them? Yeah, so we're here at Hunt, Texas, actually just southwest of Mystic, the kids camp that was, you know, been all over the news with all the young women and young girls that were swept away in this devastation. And I'm here with Doc Pete Chambers, with the Revenant Ministry, Texas. And I'm here also with John Chase with heroes from humanity. So just working at this place from Ground Zero because in location, just down the river is Ingram and just down the river from that is Kerrville. So this is the area that you've seen in the news and the devastation is just massive and just seeing how this this community is just recoiling and just talking to them. Many of these people just really, they don't have the words.

You can see the suffering, the pain, and just the movement as we've been moving through this area, holding these people in prayer until every one of them of one of these people are brought home. So yes, it's a very, very difficult time. And thank you, Steve. Dr. Chambers, thank you and John. Thank you for being with us. where are you, where are you guys focusing the efforts right now? Because obviously this happened just about two weeks ago now. Where is the focus right now?

So I'm going to let John Chase talk to it about how the dive teams are out there, how incident command is running with the hunt fire department, and how the systems are going and how the focus is being run. So if you want to just step in and just start talking about that, that'd be great just to give the viewers some real ground level information. Yes, sir. Are you close to my mind? Yes, sir.

So right now, a lot of our focuses are trying to get into the deep water areas where we have not been able to get access to before. So that is why I was able to bring in some individuals who are oil rig, hard hat divers, that are diving in some of these deep water salvage areas along the river banks to be able to get down there and potentially make recoveries that previous divers and other individuals have not been able to hit in the past. We also have amphib vehicles that are now attached. to us for the next 24 hours to specifically assist with such recovery operations. While we are constantly, while we are actively doing that, we also have horse teams going out into like the harder-to-reach areas that are still so full of debris that we

can't even get ATVs in some of those areas. We still have active dog teams, actively searching the areas that have not been previously hit before. As you know, with the way things have been going have we've been getting like rain after rain after rain, a lot of the water flow has been going through and disrupting a lot of like the search efforts that we have had here in the area. So we are having to recomb areas that have already been sought through and searched through before. But as the result of the hard work of all the dog teams, the first responders, DPS, local law enforcement, other outside agencies that are coming to the aid of Texas right now. We're able to shine. We are able to show that God's light is shining through the darkness today, sir.

Thank you. And I want to be clear. You're talking about search and rescue. You're talking about still finding missing persons, correct? And does there any idea how many people are still, accounted for. Sir, I can't give that exact number right now because like right now I'll be honest like my now me and my people we're doing strictly we're doing strictly searching recovery. And we're not the only count we're not keeping count on anything. Our only focus is we're going to be going out there day in, day out. We're not going to stop until we bring all of them home and we're going to keep going out

and they until they tell us everyone's home. And I want to ask what other efforts are you seeing there because as we've seen over the past year with some of the disasters, there's been criticism of FEMA, not showing up fast enough. And I'm looking at you three gentlemen here and your teams, our independent teams coming to help. And there's community, people in the community, just regular people coming to help here. Are you seeing a federal response or is this mostly state level help? Sir, I'm going to go ahead, sorry, we got birds overhead right now. But I'm just going to go ahead put it right here and all that. Like, right now what we are seeing is like I am seeing a community

come together. I am seeing federal agencies here on the ground actively digging through the rubbage with me. I am seeing state agencies coming through digging through the rubble with me. I am seeing people of all walks of life. I am seeing Christians. I am seeing Jews. I am seeing Muslims. I'm seeing FEMA agents out here with us. I am seeing law enforcement eight like special agents, whatever, out here going through with us. Nobody is really concerned. Like our main goal right now is to make sure everyone is found and recovered. Nobody's paying attention to politics out here on the ground. we leave it to people in like higher pay scales to deal with that. My only focus out here and everybody else is focus out here

is to make sure we bring everyone home. Thank you. And that's really great to hear. And Dr. Chambers, I want to ask you a question. You're Greenbrae retired Lieutenant Colonel of the military. How are these disaster recoveries? I mean, what kind of issues are you seeing here that you've been informed with your military service

that you're being able to help here? Right, so the main issues right now are the command and control, administrative command and control of the civilians tying into the government response. The state of text response has been robust, but naturally in these kind of events, I lived an hour and a half away. I was here on two hours after this happened. So I'm able to come in and establish a foothold and actually go to rescuing people, and then we roll into the recovery efforts. But there's a lot of work to be done. So I immediately established a foothold and a command and control. of administratively for multiple organizations. I'm talking to about 300 right now in the state of

Texas. Texas will help Texans. But we've got people all the way out here from North Carolina. Both of our teams, Heroes for Humanity and the Remnant A team, were in North Carolina together. We bumped into each other out there, and they were here on day one. Okay, that's amazing to hear. Thank you so much for that. And I think that everyone there are glad you're there. And I want to ask, I want to ask Steve, Steve, what kind of toxic issues do people have to worry about with basically rebuilding at this point? So the flood happened and now there's search and rescue obviously going on. What kind of issues are you encountering there on the ground when it comes to maybe contamination, toxins, issues with the environment?

Yeah, I mean, whenever you have a flood situation, you have all types of, you know, carbons that are actually being like fuels and chemicals that are being spilled into these, waterways. So one of the best things to do is just stay out of the water. The bacteria levels, just everything that's in it. So a lot of these properties that are still standing are fully contaminated. Obviously, the remediation has to be done. A lot of properties that were washed completely off the floor, you're not going to be able to rebuild them. Some of the flood maps, flood zones, they won't allow that or more or less getting insurance for it. But a lot of the issues that even Doc P. Chamber was talking about is you can have an entire group showing up, you know, citizens, NGOs, private groups, and all of us coming together, working side by side with public

and private type groups. But the biggest fail that continues to consistently happen is control and flow of information. So the sharing of information on one platform, there's no reason with the technology that we have that that open portal should not be properly set up. The teams and NGOs and all the people that are showing up properly vetted and then put in the specific areas to work, Because what happens is many times redundancies happen. One group will go in, sweep an area. Someone's not communicating. Another group goes in, sweeps that same area when it was already swept.

So those areas need to be properly cleared and then move down so the resources are properly being used and efficiently and effectively. You know, the nice thing that I'm seeing also is like the drone community coming out with thermal drones and following and running stuff. So some people say, well, why use thermal drones when the bodies are cold and they're underwater? What you don't understand is that those drones are tracking, I'm going to say it, the hogs going to the bodies and you're using the hogs to track them and be able to do that. You're looking for vultures in the sky. It is what it is, right? So you're paying attention to all your surroundings, you know? And just people in the community need to be prepared for all types of scenarios, both having a go bag in their home and in their vehicle.

And we can talk about as far as what things people can do if they're in a flooded vehicle or if they're in a flooded home, just simple things that they need to pay attention and actually have a proper plan for both family, their vehicle. Most times people are with their vehicle. Yeah, I want to go back to that too in a second. And I'm just seeing behind you kind of the carnage there. You have uprooted, major uprooted trees. Give people a sense of what the conditions are, what the scenes like. When you see the violent force, like they say you can run from wind, you can shelter from wind, but you can't run from water, right? And so when you see some of these structures, like there's one structure right behind us here, that's probably about 30 feet up off the river, and it's completely decimated, completely wiped out. When you look in the trees and behind us, you could see about 30 feet up, an entire debris pile up in the trees right behind you, if you look back there. And there are sections of it where it's it's like 20 feet up just debris stuck between the trees. When you see that type of force and even that like the eye beam wrapped around the top of the tree like 25 feet up and you see what that can do, you're not going to survive it.

You know, I mean on the swift water stuff and when we're going down river and we're taught you, our backs towards and we're looking at whatever debris is coming from us to dodge it, right? But yeah, surviving this. and just like that one girl that what 20 miles down the river she started right over here yeah she started right over here and hut and she ended up going to comfort texas which is about 20 something miles on a mattress oh my god some of this stuff you'll see you'll see frames from trailers wrapped around trees like bows i mean you can't stop the force of this water yeah you see the rvies and cars right here we were we're standing in air that crested at 32 feet and down in sad sabette was 40 feet at zero 700 the next

morning. You know, when you walk in through here, it's it's really sobering because you see the kids' shoes, the kids' clothes, right, wrapped around debris, little stuffed animals. It's, it's, it's surreal. How's the morale there amongst the people and then even the disaster response? Yeah, I mean, you know, when we're sitting at the table, even with one gentleman, a lot of this stuff goes back to, it's a spiritual healing, right? It's prayer. It's prayer. It's, it's, It's really kind of holding them in a space of comfort of, you know, just that's the biggest part of it, I think, is the spiritual aspect of it. And many of them will start to open up. But if you're looking for an interview, it's not happening, though.

Immediately shut down. And it's not the place. It's you just kind of hold them in that space of prayer, of comfort, of healing. I'd like to ask Doc Chambers that question, too. What's the spiritual response down there? What was the question? Spiritual response down here. Right.

The spiritual response. You know, Texas is in the Bible belt, but it's not about that. This is about our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and the identity that you walk in his image. And so we try to present that to folks as we meet them. It doesn't matter what faith they are. This is to love others as you want to be loved yourself. Love your God first and love others as you want to be loved. So right now it's just a compassion and understanding that's required.

You know, that stuff will come and there'll be time for healing. There's a time and purpose for everything under heaven. And so I believe that firmly. And when you see somebody at the Riverbank, I met a EOC worker from Houston that drove here because his sister and his brother-in-law were in a truck that were at the spot that I was at that first morning. We found the truck. We didn't find the bodies. We found them the next day. So this is tough stuff.

But we prayed with that, gentlemen. We're still in contact. We have a vigil coming for some folks this evening. And that's what we do. We just heal. Texans heal with Texans. John, could I get your response to that, too? This is a beautiful message.

I'd like you all to have opportunity to speak to that. In terms of the spiritual response, sir, you have a lot of proud people down here. You have a lot of proud Americans. You have a lot of proud Texans. Everybody sees, like, the aid being handed out, and some people are turning away water and other goods because they feel like there's somebody else that is in greater need than they are. But nobody is going to turn down pro. Everybody, like, just by going out there, like my organization, here is for humanity.

We operate on three pillars. humanitarian aid, counter child trafficking, and evangelism. Whenever we're out here, we're asking us, like, what is the one thing we can do for them? They will usually say they are fine, then we ask, hey, can we pray with you? And just by going through and being able to do that, we're able to, like, uplift spirits out here. And then we are hearing, like, how thankful that they are, that there is people like me, people like the first responders, people like the federal responders that are out here, law enforcement personnel and everybody else out here, and other Christian volunteers, other and volunteers from other religions that are all out here,

just knowing that there is somebody out there willing to pray with them, be with them, and just show support for them, really like helps keeps the hope alive, whatever, in the hill country. Thank you, thank you. And Steve, you are heading strategic response partners. I want to ask you, I'm going to pop up a graph here really quick, just to speak to that flood you're talking about. This is from the New York Times, just showing the flood, the Guilupia River. And at 1 a.m. on July 4th, it was about 7.7 feet. These were the gauge meters in that, in that river. And now we have around 5.15 a.m. So just a handful of hours later, we have over 37 feet. It surged. And at that point, after that, it went offline. So we don't even know what happens.

Just to speak to the force of what was going through there, I want to go back to what you were talking about a second ago. What do people do if they find themselves? They're in a car. They're on a bridge. And they're by a waterway. And this happens. And we know it only takes a couple feet of water and you're not opening your door very easy. How do people work through this? Yeah, so, you know, obviously six inches of water will actually knock you right off your feet, right? You get 12 inches of water, it'll slide your car right out of it and into the river. So you've got to be very careful when you're walking through those areas, have a stick in your hand, make sure that it's safe to traverse if you're trying to get out of there and get this higher ground.

If you're trapped in your car, the main thing that you want to do is get those windows down and you can't get out the car, let the car fill up, you can open the door and get out that way, right? The main thing is that if you can't get to the area that you're trying to go to or get to higher ground, they get up on top of the roof of the car, right? And you're hoping you're buying time for that. But if you look at this specific scenario, on July 2nd, Rainmaker talked about, you know, seating the clouds. That was around 1 o'clock. By July 3rd at 1 a.m., the National Weather Service issued an alert, right?

A warning for a flash flood. Then you go to July 4th. There was a lot of time of warning that was in there. A lot of people turn off the emergency alerts on their phone. So whether the system failed on that one or didn't fail on it, it's always good to have those alerts on based on the geographical area that you're at and having weather apps. So be obviously situationally aware of where you're at. And on top of that, if you're not a swimmer, you should have a go bag in your vehicle that has a flotation device in it,

be it a life jacket, whatever it is, a flashlight that's a waterproof flashlight, a whistle, an air horn. these are the small things that can save your life, right? And the most important thing that I find is, especially dealing with when we dealt with vehicles that turned over, is a seatbelt cutter and what we call a peedy, but, you know, to be able to break the glass, because you don't understand. It is virtually impossible to break that glass. You can punch it, kick it, think you're getting out if the windows are shut and you're in that vehicle and you roll over into a river, it ain't happening.

And that's just a small little device in your hand in it can pop that window out. It's really small. It's not a big deal. Yes. And put it on your visor, small, pull a cord on it. You have that piece right there because you're always looking at it. And if you're that situation, it's going to go to the last place you remember. Not trying to fiddle inside of a glove box, you know, and there's stuff all coming out of it. Just prepare and actually practice. I always say if you drill, when you get into a situation where it's the fog of war, you're going to go back to your training of what you drilled on. Thank you. And we have, for our audience is one of the most active and amazing audiences. So I want to go to where people can help to donate, just to get the word out for what you're doing down there. So you have a give, send go for strategic response partners. People can fund your work there, fund this disaster response fund at that address right there. We also have Doc Pete Chambers. He's the remnant ministry in Texas. You can go to that website, find out how to help him. And then we have heroes for who. humanity. That's John over there on the right. That's his organization of veterans, operators, helping with all types of good in this world. So I want to say also Operation Barbecue Relief. These are the people feeding the families down there, feeding the disaster response teams and

the first responders. That's essential, too, to get the food and water to people down there. So people can go there. And I want to wrap this up and just go around real quick, last words. What can you leave us with? You know, at one moment and time, everyone's going to be called to be a first responder. So one thing I can say is we're called as men to be the protectors of our family. Godly men, the peacemakers, right? But the best thing that a man can do is get the training, get the education, prepare yourself, prepare your family, right?

That's what we're supposed to do. That's what we're taught to do. So go get the EMT training. Go get the survival course, the grid down type training. If you're not sure about what type of disaster plan, personal plan, emergency plan, email me. I'll send you some of our templates. I'll show you some of the deployment stuff. I'll show you what I have in my get bag, what I have in my car, what I have in my home, what I keep my wife's car, everything from personal protection, not just firearms.

There's a lot of other stuff that you can put together. But simple tools that are plus ones that many times you're not going to see. or here on YouTube. But those small things can be the difference whether you live or you die or you're bearing a loved one or you're out there actually supporting, helping those that are in a less fortunate situation. So bottom line, at the end of the day, if you don't do the spiritual work, all the training of the world is not going to save you.

Thank you so much. And I would love to get a last word from Doc Chambers and John as well. Just pass it around real quick. And I appreciate your time here. It's a natural progression. of a godly man or man of honor or a true Texan to see something that is wrong, to see oppression, to see someone hurting, to see someone in need, and to stand up and do something right, to free the oppressed.

Thank you. Don't lose hope. Don't lose faith. There are men and women right here on the ground right now. We're not giving up. We're going to keep pushing. We have the momentum, and we're not going to stop, and we're going to bring them home. Don't lose faith in us because we're not giving up.

Beautiful. Thank you so much. And I know your time, all three of you, is at a massive premium. So I want to thank you for spending it with us here today for this short period of time. And I just appreciate all of you down there and keep up the good work. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a blessed day. All right. Thank you very much. All right. So there they go. Doc Chambers, Steve, John. Thank them so much. And if you can, go support their efforts.

they're really doing the work down there. So I want to go to another conversation. So that right there was what's happening down there right now and that humanitarian response and the communities stepping up and helping coming in from around the country to help people in need, help the Americans in need right there. But I want to talk about causation. What happened?

How do we not see this coming? And some of the questions I saw looking across the news, we have Associated Press. And when I started seeing headlines like this, my spidey sense went up. Fact-focused, no weather modification did not cause the deadly flash floods in Texas. Okay. Well, here's another one. This part started talking about conspiracy theories.

Uh-oh, there's that word again. He seated clouds over Texas. Then came the conspiracy theories. Of course, what they're talking about was Rainmaker, CEO Augustus Dorino. He's been making the rounds in the news over the last couple weeks because his organization was, as Steve, said, and as Doc Chambers said, he was cloud seeding in the run-up up to this flood in Texas. And I wanted to bring in someone that's been on our show before, Jim Lee. He is an expert in not only the history of Jew Engineering, but currently what's happening

right now. And he actually had a chance. He's one of the first people to sit down with Augustus in an interview recently to ask him kind of the hard questions. Take a look. Augustus, you know, he owns a company. You started up last year, right? Uh, 2023.

2023, that's right. And that is available at rainmaker.com. So what Augustus did was he responded to this accusation here. You want to explain what you got here? Yeah, yeah, sure. So first and foremost, right, like I think it's worth saying what our company is, what we do. Rainmaker is a next-gen cloud seeding company. Our interest is in where there are droughts, where times are too dry and farms are going dry or reservoirs are running out, helping to produce water for those constituencies, farms, ecosystems, utilities, that sort of thing.

I think that a lot of people, rightfully so, hear about that and think off the jump, well, did you cause flooding? Can you cause flooding? Did Rainmaker cause flooding in Texas? And first of all, categorically and absolutely no. The National World War, weather service on the third at about one in the morning posted a severe flood risk. Then the subsequent day at about four in the morning, they announced that there was a high probability of life-threatening flooding. That was from the convergence of two different extremely moist systems, one coming up from the Gulf, one coming up from the Pacific. And Rainmaker did not operate on the third, on the fourth.

We operated for about 20 minutes, days in advance, and seated a cloud that dissipated after two hours, and then suspended all operations indefinitely because there was risk of flooding. And so after our 20-minute operation, which was flown at about 2,500 feet, where we only dispersed about 60 grams of silver iodide aerosol, we stopped operating. and those air soles could not have persisted for the days that came afterwards. All right. So I want to bring on Jim Lee right now. He's standing by, and I just have some questions about this because we're trying to unpack this conversation. Jim, thanks for joining me right now. Obviously, we just brought on some of the disaster relief individuals, gentlemen and teams down there. This is still an ongoing tragic situation in Texas as the recovery continues. But a lot of people are looking for answers. A lot of people are wondering what the heck went on?

was this was man's hand involved in this and you had an opportunity to interview augustus just we just showed the clip of that what what did you take away i mean augustis is saying they they dispersed 60 milligrams of silver aerosols into these low-level clouds they dispersed and that's the science and you know nothing happened and there we go what's your view of this so first of all i think that you know, people's perception of cloud seeding as controlling the weather is obviously flawed. Cloud seeding at best is gambling with the weather. In the 80 years since cloud seating was invented, nobody's ever been able to prove the scientific efficacy of it. So considering the fact that weather is a chaotic system, this is not control theory, it's chaos theory.

whenever you put any chemical into the environment, you have no idea what the downwind effects of that are going to be. To clarify, he said 60 grams. So we're talking about two ounces worth of silver iodide. Now, he, you know, his claims were, well, we were operating at about 3,000 feet. We only flew for about two hours, you know, 20 minutes worth of seating. And this happened on, you know, July 2nd. My team at, you know, my telegram chat, we have a meteorologist, we have a forensic team. We went through trust, but verify.

We went and we found his flight. We tracked his flight. We tracked the, you know, the radar, precipitation totals, satellite views. It does, you know, his story does check out. So I'm not here to shell on his behalf. Sure. But, you know, fact check, you know, trust but verify. So he did see two cumulative.

clouds at about 3,000 feet, that's convective or hygroscopic seating, basically using lift to lift the chemicals upwards into the cumulus clouds to make rainfall. Those clouds did dissipate in about two hours. So it's highly unlikely that, you know, he honestly, he made about a quarter inch worth of rain. So I think that's the part that he's leaving out is, hey, I did do cloud seating, but I didn't really make any rain at all. In fact, I made two clouds disappear. So a lot of people get stuck on this. I feel like he's being scapegoated. And at the same time, a lot of, you know, the ex-community I follow, you know, pretty well. A lot of the theories on this are, well, he's a Peter Thiel guy. He's funded by Peter Thiel. So, you know, bad guy. And at the same time,

he first came on the scene at the Tennessee Kim Trail Band, you know, Representative Monty Fritz. And then he testified in Florida at their Kim Trail ban. They don't want to call it a Kim Trail ban. That's what it was. We all know that. So banning weather modification geoengineering in Tennessee in Florida, this is where he first came on the scene. So for me personally, as a person who's been studying this for 15 years,

seeing this guy come out of nowhere. And then next, he's on the Sean Ryan show. And, you know, he's at the center of attention. P.T. Barnum said there's no such thing as bad press. Right. So I think that this is, you know, a diversion, a straw man. He's being scapegoated. He is under a lot of death threats.

His, you know, he's been docks. People have threatened the docks as family. I think that that's unfortunate. And that's why, you know, I reached out to him Saturday night. This was, you know, right after the events, it occurred. And I got the first interview with him because I texted him. I said, dude, your version of events are, trust me, bro. Yeah.

And that's where we're at. And so, and I thank you for reaching out to him. That was a really important interview. It's over an hour that you spoke with him. So as you're saying, I think the bigger story here, the science is not settled is what I'm hearing of cloud seeding, even though it's been going on for over 80 years, as you said. So talk to me about that science, because we think, you know,

this is something that the government's doing or whatever, the geoengineering is a whole different conversation. But this cloud seeding, it's happening. Is there any way to, to trap? this? Is the government keeping track of this? So the laws behind this are pretty antiquated. You know, following the Operation Popeye weather warfare in Vietnam, we, you know, basically had a bunch of old bald white guys in Congress, you know, looking at each other like,

we can control the weather. And that prompted the weather modification reporting act of reporting act of 1972. It simply requires that anybody who wants to modify the weather or even geoengineering, it's an all-encompassing bill, it's archaic at best, but you have to fill out a NOAA Form 17-4, which is an initial report on weather modification. And when you complete your activities in any given area, you have to file one more sheet of paper. This is not a permit. This is not a permit. This is not request, there is no validation, it's simply record keeping. That's unacceptable in today's world, and it basically takes them off the hook for any kind of accountability or liability. Interestingly enough, that weather modification reporting act was amended in the, I believe it was

the 1980s, and there was a real-time reporting requirement. So every single-time reporting requirement. So every single time you flew a plane and you dumped chemicals to try to modify weather, you had to file an individual report for each one. They removed that. In today's world where the Border Patrol has an app where people can say, hey, I want to come into the country, come meet me here. Why does the NOAA and the Department of Commerce under public law in 92205 not have a weather modification reporting Act, our app where they can just say, I'm flying right now. Here, track my flight progress. I'm dumping chemicals here. And now I've landed on the ground. Submit report. And the public could actually take part in this conversation and not just wait for a report. Because I mean, so you spoke

to Augustus, Augustus said in no way he had any effect on this. I mean, so how does that ring with you? Can he Can he say that? Can he make that claim? That's why when I texted him, I said, you might want to get this. And we've had a previous discussion in an X space. And I nailed him to the wall on this. I said, would you agree to doing this? And he said, for personal safety reasons, I don't think that I'd want to do this because then people could come after me. There have been recent events where a lady out in California went and confronted some cloud seeding pilots.

Then, you know, made threat, you know, well, it could be interpreted. it as threats against those pilots. So with him, you know, I understand both sides. I try to see both sides. And that's a reasonable request as well on his side. Yes. And his his response was, and I moderated, I said, would you be willing to record your activities? And when you get home and you're safe and you're on your Wi-Fi, hit submit report so that at least the public knows in real time, roughly within 24-hour period, here's all the records of what I just did. He said he would agree to that. So I knew that in advance of our interview. I wanted to get him on the record saying that to, so that other people can see, here's a guy with the company, he's willing to be

more transparent. Our government sucks. We need to hold them accountable to actually change this law because it's clearly outdated for the kind of technology that we're looking at today. And speaking of technology, is there anything outside the cloud seating, like you know, someone flying up in a Cessna or with a drone and seating clouds like they've been doing for over 50 years? Is there any other technology that is outside of this conversation that we may not know about? I understand there's maybe ground-based systems as well that are coming online? I suggest you go to weather modification history.com and actually look at the entire history. Look at the technologies.

Do some actual research. You'll learn a lot about it. The one thing that I noticed that I always look for the blind spot, the thing that nobody's talking about. And in 2012, a company called Acquies and another company called Cy Blue did a joint venture to steer atmospheric rivers into Texas. I wrote an article about this on climate viewer.com called How Texas Stole California's Rain. You can look at the entire section on atmospheric rivers as a tag with multiple articles about this. And this technology has now advanced beyond our local borders. David Miles, the guy who invented the technology, said that basically David Kaczynski from

Saiblu, a U.S. Air Force company, stole his technology. This is now also showed up at Climate Control Global Trading LLC in the United Arab Emirates. China has the Tiani, which translates roughly to Sky River, where they're talking about steering atmospheric river. Nobody on any website or any video outlet is even discussing what an atmospheric river is or the possibility of somebody doing something like this. So this really goes back to the Environmental Modification Convention or the NMod Treaty. This was a weather warfare ban passed at the United Nations in 1978. We never created a way to catch somebody doing weather warfare.

So we're all stuck here being called conspiracy theorists, and intentionally there has never been any effort to make a way to catch people doing this. That's why I propose something called the Environmental Modification Accountability Act to bring that accountability to that. We need ground-based and, you know, satellite. We need a government, global sensor network and a citizen-powered sensor. network. Something that's going to track what's falling in the rainfall, you know, observational tools to, you know, enhance our ability to go, did somebody modify this? It wasn't, you know, a small company like Rainmaker. That is really the gaping hole that it's missing in all this. We have no accountability because we have no proper reporting in advance and we have no forensic capability afterwards to see if

somebody used chemical or electromagnetic processes to modify the weather. And given the advancement in technology and AI, we have to have, you know, these changes pushed. So yeah, what I'm hearing you saying is the oversight's clearly not there. The technology is there, whether it's, whether it's planes or this next-gen technology that you're talking about that no one else is talking about. And there's also a space where we just, we should, the science is not settled. So the science of weather modification is still up in the air. And so is the geoengineering as well.

So in this space, we have to have this conversation with when we see these miraculous weather fronts, and we keep getting told this is a hundred year, whatever, fire, 100 year flood, 100 year this, 100 year that. We had a thousand-year flood here in South Carolina where a hurricane stationery off the coast of Florida. for two days and an atmospheric river came out of that hurricane. And in my hometown of Sumter, South Carolina, we got 30 inches of rain in a single day. So these thousand year floods just keep happening. And we're supposed to consider it to be all coincidental.

Meanwhile, the focus is on things like it's harp. Well, you can tell when harp's on, it's not on. Or it's climate, or it's climate change. Or the mainstream media narrative that climate change is driving all of this, Well, the sun actually is driving most of it. And then beyond that, man can intervene. It's the art of helping people fall down in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. And weather modification, it's the gentle nudge that causes the butterfly effect.

So does a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil affect tornadoes in Texas? Did his 60 grams of silver iodide actually influence things upwind? Because that is the exact direction. The wind was flowing. the water was flowing, all of that. It also is very similar to the 2012 test for steering atmosphere at rivers. Same moisture flow pattern. We had the tropical storm, you know, very leftovers,

and they all collided in the middle to make that catastrophic. God bless the gentleman you were interviewing earlier. Like I live through Hurricane Hugo. I can only imagine what it's like there right now. you know people I think that it's disgusting that so many people want to speculate with so much certainty that they know that Nexrad did it or HART did it I would rather live in a safe place where I say you know what I am not perfect I do not have it all figured out even though I've been

doing this 15 years and I understand most of the technologies I am not going to sit here with any certainty and tell you no Augustus had no effect on this and no nobody else did something because nobody Nobody knows. And that is the main focus of what I wanted to bring here today. We need transparency. We need verification. Thank you. And that's how we're approaching. And that's why I brought you on. I want to thank you for joining us today. People can go over to climate viewer.com to see Jim's work and the history of geoengineering and cloud seeding. Jim, thank you so much for joining us. I'm sure we'll talk to you soon as this subject seems to just keep rearing its head. It always will, and it's not going away anytime soon. Even Marjorie Taylor Green is right now saying that she's got some draft legislation that's been put in at Congress. I still haven't seen the bill text, but we really need to get more awareness of this so that we can force Congress to act on this on a federal level.

It's the only way we can tackle it and even try to get some transparency. Absolutely. Bands will come with public awareness. And if we get that transparency, more people. more of the normies are going to be looking at us going, you were right, we should all be concerned, and this ain't about CO2 and cow farts. And God bless everybody in Texas

and everybody who's trying to help down there. Absolutely. Thank you so much, Jim. Thank you, Jeff. All right. Okay, so there's a lot to digest there. I want to jump back really into the news here, the good old-fashioned Jackson report, and we're just going to keep rolling with the news

because so much is happening. And again, our prayers are going out to those. affected by this flood in Texas and I hope everyone reaches out and does what they can to help the people there. Shifting gears, I want to go into what was happening with Senator Ron Johnson. Just a couple days ago, he had really another historic meeting in D.C. This was the voices of the vaccine injured and this was giving a platform a spotlight to those harmed by vaccines. Take a look. Do you swear the testimony you will give before this subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth,

and nothing but the truth to help you got? Please be seated. The purpose of today's hearing titled Voices of the Vaccine Injured is very simple. To give a platform to those individuals and families who have been abandoned, their injuries and suffering, dismissed, and forgotten. As difficult as it will be for you to testify today is important for the American public to hear your testimony. This is about my son, Corbyn, De, accordingly. Corbyn received all of his routine vaccines on time. I took him in for a combo flu shot that would be administered in two doses. When I came home from work, I went to nurse him.

My baby, face down, fists clenched, arms stiff straight to his side, body stiff and unresponsive. And immediately started CPR. When I opened his mouth, his tongue was stiff with rigamortes as I tried to breathe life back into him. But it was too late. How could this happen? He was healthy. Nothing else was different that day, except the flu shot. In 2008, my 20-year-old daughter had her first YYN appointment. The doctor recommended the HPV vaccine, and we were told it was safe and effective

and would prevent cervical cancer. After vaccination, my daughter developed rapid heartbeat, dizziness on standing, unusual fatigue, and arrhythmia. Chris had an EKG, which came back normal. so we thought everything was okay. She continued with the shots and 18 days after the third shot. She was found dead in her bed at college.

You cannot imagine the help of seeing your child lifeless. We also hear from two witnesses who advocate for, quote, routine immunizations across the lifespan, unquote, because they lost loved ones from a disease vaccines were intended to prevent. I lost my son Joseph to flu

during the H1N1 pandemic in October 2009. The H1N1 flu vaccine that could have saved his life was not available in our community until two weeks after he died. There is no acceptable loss when it comes to a child. Brady was a very happy, very healthy baby boy. After the holidays, Brady developed a cough. We spent the next 10 days with tests, breathing, breathing tubes, feeding tubes, trying to stabilize him. Unfortunately, Brady's heart stopped. The whooping cough diagnosis came a few weeks later. My son Stephen was born where most hepatitis B, Hib, and D-Tab vaccines contained upwards to 25 micrograms of mercury. By my son's 15-month well-baby checkup, he was exposed to an accumulated

total of 237.5 micrograms of mercury, which exceeded the current EPA safe exposure limit by nearly 200 times. Not only does my son have autism, but he has also been diagnosed with mitochondrial dysfunction, ticks, and whole body dyspraxia. At 27 years old, he still cannot speak. Our story is not welcome in the news media, in social media completely censors us. Society does not want to acknowledge vaccine injury, period. The day he received the MMR vaccine, Billy was convulsing. His tiny body gripped by seizures. We rushed him to hospital desperate for answers, but the doctors, after hearing he'd had the MMR, said, it's perfectly normal, it's perfectly common. He'll be fine, but he wasn't fine, and he's still not fine, age 29. He's severely sick with severe autism. If I received my first

COVID-MRNA shot, just three weeks after my second dose, I had constant chest pressure, arrhythmias, and overwhelming fatigue. The diagnosis was pulmonary hypertension. I reported my case to Vairs the vaccine diverse event reporting system. I expected to hear from the FDA or CDC. I never did. What I learned is chilling. If you are harmed, you are on your own. My story and experiences do not in any way minimize those of my fellow witnesses. We are all doing the best we can with the information we have. We all are all here as parents. We want what is best for our children. The problem that lies is we have two. We have two. many conflicts of interest. When you have the pharmaceutical companies that are selling the

drugs, also teaching the doctors what needs to happen, you're having a broken system. When I hear your stories, it breaks my heart and I'm hoping my colleagues see that pain and then we actually move the ball forward to get something nuts. There's some obvious things. Why don't we treat the pharmaceutical industry like any other business? The government has decided that this particular industry gets a free pass. I don't really think any industry should be immune from legal response to it. I would be interested in looking at whether reforms are appropriate. Truth is vaccine injuries are real and they've been ignored. What we're trying to seek is the truth. We want to know exactly

what's happening. We want integrity, restore to science. Think about how far we've come. When I started reporting, those parents were called anti-vax conspiracy theorists, and the media, the corporate media, viciously neutralized them and made their stories disappear, would not tell them, call them names, ridiculed them. And the rest of the public took note and followed suit. No, not anymore. We're done with that. Thanks to Senator Ron Johnson for having these voices out there in the heart of D.C. and the other senators who took part in that and for televising that. This is a big moment.

And I want to explain something. We're talking about vaccine injury, but also talking about how do we get justice for those that have been in vaccine injury? How do we get help? Well, in America, we have a broken system. We have the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, and we also have the countermeasures injury compensation program. The NVICP is for people that have been injured by the routine childhood vaccinations,

adults as well, HPV vaccine. And this is a court where you're against the DOJ, you're against HHS, you have to bring your own science. You have a three-year statute of limitations. So if it's after that, you're out of luck. And it's highly adversarial to try to get justice or compensation for your medical bills. You're spending, many parents are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to treat their children. The countermeasures program is for the COVID vaccine. You're even more out of luck if you get injured there.

And the question is, if I get this vaccine, I get injured, what happens? Well, for the COVID vaccine, you have a year of statute of limitations. And after that, the science is still being looked at, and it's not even settled yet. And after that year window, you're out of luck, and it's called a black hole. Well, something amazing is happening. The United States, America, and our leaders, HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is now talking about revamping, revolutionizing these compensation programs. He said this on Tucker Carlson.

Take a look. What about all the people who are injured by the COVID Vax? There are a lot of them. I know a lot of them. Some died. Some were permanently disabled. Nobody seems to care. You never hear about them. And they don't seem to be getting any help.

Will that change? Yeah, that's going to change. I mean, as I said, the big impediment is an 1986 vaccine act. Yes. And so it's complicated about how. we fix this, you know, so that we can get compensation to those people. We just brought a guy in this week who's going to be revolutionizing the vaccine injury compensation program. And we're looking at ways to enlarge that program so that COVID vaccine injured people can be compensated. And we're

changing the program so that, you know, we're looking at ways to enlarge that program. the statute of limitations, it was only three years. A lot of people don't discover their injuries. So after that, and there's no discovery in that program. There's no rules of evidence. The program has defaulted into lawyers from the justice. You're not suing the vaccine company. You're petitioning my agency, and it's represented traditionally by the Department of Justice.

and the lawyers in the Department of Justice, the leaders of it were corrupt. And they saw their job as protecting the trust fund rather than taking care of people who made this national sacrifice. Now, you can see Secretary Kennedy there is choosing his words wisely and cautiously. This is a heavy lift to talk about changing

what he's talking about. A heavy lift on the shoulders of a man who already has a lot of weight on his shoulders to change a lot of institutional issues that are inherent within HHS, CDC, FDA. And what are we talking about here? To change these programs, you're going to actually have to go to Congress, and you're probably not going to get the votes to change these programs.

So they're looking for ways to change the programs, like he said, just extend that statute of limitations for these vaccine injuries, give people more time and maybe get the science out there. Another thing you could do was extend the table of injuries. There's only a certain amount of injuries, like a sore shoulder or anaphylaxis, that you can actually put these petitions forward to get injury compensation if you've been harmed by a vaccine. So to extend that table to the known science would help as well. With the COVID vaccine, it's still under emergency use authorization. In fact, the Biden administration, one of the gifts that they gave right before

they left was to extend the COVID emergency until 2029. What's going on here? But extending that emergency to 2029 protects the COVID vaccine and puts it into that countermeasures injury compensation program, that black hole. So there's almost no hope for these people for anybody out there in the United States that are injured by this vaccine. So perhaps one of the things they could do is end the emergency. Clearly, COVID's not a pandemic emergency anymore. And these countermeasures, these shots should not be protected as if it is one. So I want to move on from there and just talk about some other events in the news here. But, you know, one of the things Kennedy is up against, there's a lot of things. He's one man. There's a lot of agencies.

And as I'm going to show you in these news stories, there is a lot of push poll that's going on in these agencies. In other words, there's fights happening actively in these agencies right now. And as people, we need to share this information and help. We can't just sit back and say, the government's got it, Kennedy's in,

or if it trumps in, they're gonna fix it. The work starts when Kennedy got in. Now is the time to help. So I wanna go, for all Kennedy's efforts, how has he been rewarded by the medical community while he's being sued. So this is American Academy of Pediatrics. Our friends there at the AAP, sues Robert R. Kennedy Jr. over vaccine changes. Well, what changes? Those were the changes to the COVID-19 vaccine. All Kennedy said was, hey, you know what, we don't really have the full

science to support giving this shot to everybody, healthy children, six months old, and healthy adults. So we're going to back that off a little bit. Maybe just give it to the people that are immunocompromised or have a chronic health condition. Wasn't good enough for the AAP. They said, no what, we're going to sue you because we want full access to everybody's arms with this COVID shot that is under emergency use protection until 2029. Well, I want to remind people with the AAP, the other trade organizations that are on that lawsuit, the AAP specifically, American Academy of Pediatrics, let's see what other science that they've stood up for. They want full access to people with COVID shot. Well, here's another one.

Consider drugs and surgery early for obesity and kids, new guidelines. That's the AAP. Waiting doesn't work. So for kids, they're going to say first order injectable weight loss drugs, bariatric surgeries. for kids that just need to lose weight. Okay. Well, what else has the AAP stood around and really supercharged? Well, they were behind policy papers to show the legal basis of consent for health care and vaccination for adolescents. That's right. They want the parents out of the picture. They want adolescents and children to be able to consent to their own vaccination with their

health care provider. And if you look at some of the hearings, like in Washington, D.C., several years ago when they're trying to push this bill forward to make that law of the land, They're saying that representatives there were saying, we don't really know what age is a good age. How about no age? We'll leave that up to the doctor. That's the AAP for you. And for transitioning children with risky medications,

they're behind that too. This was another policy paper, ensuring comprehensive care and support for transgender and gender diverse children adolescents. That's right, they're talking about risky hormone therapy that we know the science does not back. This is completely unscientific. They say, well, it's fine.

Give it to kids surgeries. Yep, you can do that with kids as well, and maybe, you know, don't worry about the parents so much because it's not really about them. That's the AAP for you. And so when they're suing Robert F. Kennedy, that's actually, in my opinion, a badge of honor that that's happening. So this is what's going on right now. And I want to move on to how American health has changed under the toulage and the watch of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the other trade organizations. Well, a new study just came out in the journal of the American Medical Association and showing the trends in U.S. children mortality, chronic conditions, obesity, functional status, and symptoms. Remember, Kennedy was installed in HHS by us, the public, by our support, because he ran on this issue of chronic health and children.

We have an explosion of chronic health illness in our children, and these are the new numbers. So perk up, share this. This is what this article says. This study says from 2007 to 2020, infants one year old under were 1.78 and one to 19-year-old individuals were 1.8 times more likely to die in the U.S. than in OECD-18. Those are the other countries, their other normal countries they're comparing us to. The two causes of death with the largest net difference between the U.S. and the OECD-18 were prematurity and sudden infant, unexpected infant death for infants 12 months or younger. So listen to what they're saying, kids are just dying unexpectedly. We don't know what it is, but that's just what's happening. And that's what's

happening in America. Once you cross this border in America, something is happening that's killing kids faster. What the heck is that? And it's only gotten worse. And I want to bring people back to a person we had on just a couple weeks ago, Dr. Gary Goldman, who actually wrote a paper. He has the specific mechanism. This is the medical explanations, the immature infant liver. He's looking at the enzymes and their relevance in vaccine safety. And SIDS, research. That's that sudden infant death syndrome. That's just this syndrome that happens. I don't know why. And it's killing kids and infants. And a lot of times the parents are getting blamed for it. Well, there's mechanisms there. He presents to back up this thing that JAMA is finding.

It's saying this is a signal. What's going on here? And then it goes back. Let's go back into that JAMA study because it gets even more interesting from here. This should really move the needle for people. Please. From 2011 to 2023, the prevalence of three to 17-year-old individuals with chronic A, Just one, a chronic condition rose from 39.9% to 45.7%. Almost 50% of American kids with one chronic health condition. What are they? Well, it goes on to say the rates of obesity, early onset, of menstruation, trouble sleeping, limitations in activity, physical symptoms, depressive symptoms, and loneliness all increased

during the study period. All things that we've covered on this show and the reasons why those are happening. You can trace them back. There's reasons why this isn't just like what's happening. We don't know. we should probably look into this. There are mountains of science for a lot of these, a lot of these situations that are happening to our kids to prove what's going on there. And that is what's happening under the watch of these trade organizations that's saying everything's great. Second

Kennedy lifts a finger. He's getting sued because we like the status quo. That is what's going on. And that's why this organization, the high wire and I can exist to prove to you that the status quo is sick, it's wrong, and it needs to change. And so I want to continue into this news here because One of the pieces that we didn't cover, this happened a couple weeks ago, was Kennedy said no to the Bill and Melinda Gates funded Gavi. That's their vaccine arm. That basically sprinkles vaccines all over the world and never met a vaccine that didn't like. Well, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. marched into their pledging summit and said this. Quote, in an inflammatory video, according to Politico, video speech delivered to the Gavi pledging summit, seen by Politico.

Kennedy accused Gavi of neglecting vaccine safety, making questionable recommendations around COVID-19. vaccines and silencing dissenting views. He says, quote, when the science was inconvenient, Gavi ignored the science, Kennedy alleged. Well, that's exactly what they did. We were reporting on this for almost a decade now. And so that's what Kennedy's doing. Now, other agencies under Kennedy, like EPA and FDA, have their own pluses and minuses, almost like a grade in elementary school here. So one of the pluses for the FDA is they finally decided to add a warning to the COVID vaccine, that it causes myocarditis. Something, again, we've been reporting on others.

So many people have been raising the alarms on this. In fact, it was found in the studies, even in the pre-clinical studies, that they had to pause them to say, like, what we're finding some signals here. But this is what the release looked like. This is the headline FDA expands COVID vaccine warning about heart side effects for young males. So if you're out there, you're getting this 12 to 24-year-old healthy males.

This is a problem, but you've got to think, if you're unhealthy, what's it doing to the unhealthy kids, too? probably not helping them like a supplement or a vitamin C. So this is the warning that you're seeing now. The FDA press release said this warning has to, they finally have a study, and this warning has to go into the vaccine insert. It says, in this study,

at a medium follow-up of approximately five months post-vaccination, persistence of abnormal cardiac magnetic resonance imaging, CMR findings that are a marker from mild cardio injury was common. It was common. The clinical and prognostic significance of these CMR findings is not known. Just kind of bringing that down, it's common, it happens pretty commonly, and we don't know what the clinical significance is. Well, we know that damage to the heart muscles, when they die, they do not reproduce. You do not get more heart muscles, myocytes, cardiac heart muscles do not continue to grow.

So if you're damaging them or killing them, probably going to be a problem as you grow up from 12 years old to your middle ages or into your older ages. So that's what we're dealing with. But at the same time, now there's this narrow window. Kennedy said, healthy people, I don't want you getting that vaccine because we need to look at the science on that, the COVID vaccine. But now there is a window. There is this gap for people with a chronic condition. Children, now we know over 45% of them in America have at least one chronic condition. So that's the new market for the COVID vaccine.

Well, we have the FDA approving Moderna's COVID vaccine now. So a lot of the public is kind of scratching their head on this. FDA gets full approval to Moderna COVID shot for at-risk. kids. So that's the market. They're trying to flood the market. And this is the push poll that's going on. A lot of people look at this and go, see, I told you that Kennedy's controlled opposition or Kennedy's not doing it. Listen, I'm not here to defend the guy. I'm here to call out what's happening, what's good, what's bad, where we need to put our attention. And so that is what's happening in the FDA. Obviously not a move a lot of the public is happy about at this point.

But it's not just happening within the vaccine space. So we have one of the spaces here, the EPA is really in the spotlight here. And I want to bring back people to something that happened last April. We had the National Toxicology Program. They re-looked at the evidence about water fluoridation. And they found this. Here's the headline.

US agency links high fluoride exposure to lower IQ in kids. That is a definite. It's not it might lower their IQ, it probably will, no. It 100% does in these studies. So that's what they found. And so the EPA at that time,

rushed out under Lee Zeldon, and they had a press release. And this is what they said. Lee Zeldon said this. EPA is committed to conduct a thorough review of these findings, the ones at lower IQ, and additional peer-reviewed studies to prepare an updated health effects assessment for fluoride that will inform any potential revisions to EPA's fluoride drinking water standards. The EPA right there is saying under the Clean Waters Act, they said, you know what, that does sound like a bad idea.

I'll tell you what, we're going to bring it back into our agency. the public can stay away, and we'll tell you when we have something to bring to you about how dangerous this is, we'll reassess that. Well, that wasn't good enough for people like attorney Michael Connett, who I sat down with last time I hosted this show to talk about the massive amounts of issues and dangers with water fluoridation. Michael Connett using what was basically a citizen petition petitioned with other organizations, the EPA, to force rulemaking, saying, The science is already on our side, and you, the EPA, needs to change the rules. You need to make rules to protect children, vulnerable people, from this toxic water fluoridation. And so the EPA did not want to do that. So we took them to court, and they actually lost in court.

The EPA lost that battle in court. The judge basically told the EPA that you need to make this rule. You need to protect the public. You need to go back to the drawing board, make the rule, and make that happen ASAP. Well, this is Michael Conant. He took to X and he said this. This is the latest news. After several extensions, the Trump administration has decided to appeal. Appeal the federal court decision ordering EPA to address the risk posed by water fluoridation. EPA will be filing its appeal next Friday, July 18th. People ask tomorrow. Rather than use the court's decision as an opportunity to finally end water fluoridation, as most of Europe has already done, the EPA will spend its time legally challenging the court order. He goes on to say, say the decision to appeal the court's order was not made by HHS or Secretary Kennedy. It was made by the Solicitor General of the Department of Justice who reports to Pam Bondi and the White House. For his part, Secretary Kennedy has been clear that states should end water fluoridation programs,

as Florida and Utah have recently done, and that CDC will be revising its ancronistic recommendations, which would be a major development. The HHS does not, however, have the authority to ban water fluoridation. So this is the EPA. It's in their lap. They have this golden opportunity and they're fighting it. They're saying we do not. They're saying we do not want to make a rule. Water fluoridation shall stay. States like Florida, Utah said, I don't care what you say. We're taking it out. So this is another battle that's going on inside these agencies. It's not black and white. It's not cut and dry. And this is the picture I'm trying to paint is we need to stay vigilant. We need to share this information.

So let's take a breath because this has been a lot of deep information. here, especially with the floods in Texas, bringing it in here, there's literally a battle for public health going on under the hood in America right now. And what can people do? Can we just wait for the government to make it right? Can we wait for Kennedy to make it right? Well, we can take charge of our own health. And I want to talk about something, an actual real positive study that just came out. And there's a lot of them out there. We're going to start including these in the show as well. Now, this study centers around something called PFS. This is forever chemicals.

These are chemicals that do not break down in our environment. And these chemicals, unfortunately, if you happen to live next to a military base, we've found, this is just recently, a study has found 99% of participants near military bases using well water have PFS in their blood. And also cosmetics, women's cosmetics, the EPA looked at a lot of women's cosmetics, and they found that about 570 of those cosmetics have PFAS in them. This was a headline, how do you know if your personal care products contain these? A lot of companies use them.

They're trying to be phased out. There's state-level action trying to phase these out of these personal care products. But once these get in your body, they can and do cause havoc. Cancer's neurodegenerative issues. Well, a new study has just shown some positive things about your gut bacteria. So it's not just about following your gut. It's about actually building your gut. Here is the study, human gut bacteria bioaccumulate per and polyfluoralkali substances.

That's PFS. And it says in the study here, we report the bioaccumulation of PFAS by 38 gut bacterial strains, ranging in concentration from nanomolar to micrometer. That's 500 micrometers. What's that mean? Well, bioaccumulation. So what's happening in there is they took human gut bacteria, some of the beneficial gut bacteria that's in your gut,

and they put it in the mouse model. They put it in these mice. And then they gave these mice, P-FAS. They exposed them to this forever chemical. And what this gut bacteria did was it bioaccumulated. It sucked it out of their bodies like a sponge. It said, give me that. Stop causing damage in this mouse.

We'll hold on to this. Not only did it hold on to this, his gut bacteria sequestered it in the bacteria into kind of like a spherical form to protect even the bacteria. The bacteria that pulled it in was still able to function with it in there. and then it excreted it, it got it out of the body, of the mouse body. But it goes on from there. Let's go to an article here at Sepok Times.

It was reporting on this study, and they say this about the study. When these bacteria were introduced into mice, they quickly absorbed the chemicals. When they were excreted through the gut, the forever chemicals were removed with them in waste. So they got it out of there. Within minutes of exposure, the bacteria absorbed between 25 and 74% of PFAS chemicals at various concentration levels. But here's the cool part. As the mice were exposed to increasing P-FAS levels, the bacteria kept removing at a steady percentage of toxins, suggesting they could act as a natural filter in the gut.

So it was almost like someone lifting weights, and they just kept giving them more weights, more weights, more P-FAS, and it just kept lifting at the same rate saying, I got it, no problem, that's your gut bacteria. So a lot have been talked about. We've had experts on the gut, on the gut, how to fortify your gut. but just out there right now, take away message. What can you do not to kill your gut bacteria? Well, highly processed foods kills your gut bacteria.

Alcohol, overconsumption of alcohol, kills your gut bacteria. Antibiotic use, increasing antibiotic use, kills your gut bacteria. So those three things, if you want to actually just start there, maybe step away from that a little bit and rebuild your gut. There's a lot of ways to rebuild your gut, not for this segment, but we can talk about that at another time. but this is some of the new science they're finding about the wisdom and the knowledge your natural body has to heal itself. So I want that to be a takeaway message here. And so I want to talk about

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And this was through the VAIRS system. Remember, just recently we have the advisory committee on immunization practices. Now Robert Malone is part of that. Redsef Levy is part of that. And some of the people at the CDC were saying, the VAR system, this system that captures the vaccine injuries and lets us know if a vaccine is really harmful, it's the world's best system. There's no problems with it whatsoever. We've been monitoring it.

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And when we finally got to see that data, it showed incredibly concerning results. The CDC's own predetermined approach to analyzing bears dad showed that there were many harms. In fact, the very same harms that people were reporting had PRR numbers that weren't three, four, five. They were 30, 50, 100, multiple times the upper threshold of two that the CDC had predetermined. If it goes above a two, that's a safety signal and we should be concerned. When the CDC was confronted with, hey, aren't you terrible? concerned this was your own objective scientific approach to assess is there a safety signal in the COVID-19 bears data it showed incredibly concerning outcomes and the

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This is the biggest conversation really on my desk right now is this rapid buildout of artificial intelligence. I want to remind people that before COVID happened, this was just kind of a pie in the sky someday maybe, you know, we're going to have this great artificial intelligence. artificial intelligence that are do all our work for us. We'll have so much leisure time. And then you had a lot of people talking about these, this massive futuristic view of what artificial intelligence is.

COVID happened and then all of a sudden it was just dropped in our lap. Here it is. And now we're in it. I didn't get a vote to you, but society's changing rapidly like this. Artificial intelligence is transforming the way we live. Your fitness tracker, that's AI powered. The music recommendations you get on your various plays. Liz, guess what? AI power.

For all human history, human beings have been the smartest beings on the planet. Now human beings have created something that is far smarter than they are. People are concerned about immediate problems, maybe it will influence some election, they are concerned about technological unemployment, bias. My main concern is long-term super-intelligent systems we cannot control, which can take us out. We are building more and more these AIs that, They seem to have deceptive intentions and behavior and one that preserve themselves at the expense of our moral instructions. It's pretty obvious that if we create new entities that are way smarter than us, there's no guarantee that we're not going to totally lose power to them.

The biggest risk is obviously human extinction that every single person on the planet is dead. I can't see a path that guarantees safety. We're entering a period of great uncertainty where we're dealing with things. We've never dealt with it before. I think we should be cautious with AI. I think there should be some government oversight because it affects the data to the public. In that clip, you may not realize, but those are some of the founders of large language models,

some of the programmers of the base AI, and obviously you have Elon Musk in there. I mean, this would be akin to people going into a workshop and saying, trust me, we're gonna go in and make something that's gonna help humanity. And then minutes later, Minutes later, they come running out, the workshops on fire, and they're going, it's going to kill us all. That's what that is.

And so I want to bring out our next guest. He is an amazing investigative journalist. He's been looking at this issue for a couple years now with increasing scrutiny. He's looked at a lot of other issues. We've played clips of him before. His name's Alex Newman. Alex Newman. Alex Newman.

Award-winning investigative journalist. CEO of Liberty Sentinel Media. Also the author of Indoctrinating our children to death. you serve as the director of G. Edward Griffin's Red Pill University. What role should public education be playing in the lives of the American people? In my opinion, the government really should have very little to no role in the educating of our children. They all told us what their agenda was. It was to turn the children into little socialist, little communists, little humanists, and away from traditional American values, biblical morality, and these really cornerstones of what America was founded on.

I think the best option that a parent has is to just make the decision right now. I'm going to reclaim control over the education of my children. And I really believe that homeschooling is the gold standard. Agenda 2030 was signed by every national government in the world in 2015 on behalf of the United States. It's a plan to totally transform every element of our lives. In fact, the head of the UN General Assembly at the time called it the master plan for humanity. You've got to transform agriculture. You've got to transform the food supply.

you gotta transform every element of life. You're trying to subtly through deception, through fraud, overthrow our political institutions, overthrow our freedom, not openly, not by saying, hey guys, my idea is we should all give up our freedom and live in a collective society, but surreptitiously by indoctrinating young people. They are building what I call a digital global gulag, a digital panopticon, where everything you do will not just be surveilled, that's a big part of it, but also manipulated. We're talking about a control grid here that is beyond, I think, anything that a normal person could even begin to imagine. All right. I am joined now by Alex Newman. Alex, thank you for joining me.

It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you very much, Jeffrey. Alex, I want to jump right into this. Artificial intelligence, we were told that this was kind of an idea like the Jetsons before COVID. It was coming for decades before COVID. At some point, we'd have this technology that's going to make our lives better. that's promised by government or by industry or both that this technology is going to come and it's going to just revolutionize society. And it was dropped in our laps directly after COVID. Now here it is. What have you found looking at artificial intelligence and the dangers this poses? Well, thank you, Jeffrey. And I do think this is one of the most consequential stories, probably of all of human history. This is so huge. It's very difficult for a person to comprehend.

who hasn't really been studying this for years because it is going to transform every element of life. Now, looking at it from a most basic and fundamental level, it is a tool and it can be used for good purposes and it can be used for evil purposes. And that's true of any tool. A hammer could be used to build a house or a hammer could be used to murder somebody. A firearm could be used to defend innocent people. It could be used to murder innocent people. And I think the same is true for artificial intelligence. When used properly as a tool, it can help mankind ease the burden of labor. produce more material prosperity, solve some of the big problems

that humanity has been facing for basically all of its existence. But, and there's a big butt here, it's kind of like nuclear weapons. It also has more destructive potential than probably anything else in the entire history of mankind. Nuclear bomb could take out a city.

Here we're talking about a tool, a technology that could take out the world, that could take out humanity. And when you look at the people who are creating this, When you look at the people who are designing this, when you look at at a most basic level, we're talking about computer code here. When you look at the people who are coding this, many of them have documented incredibly

nefarious intentions. They believe there's too many of us on the planet. They believe that we're better off without individual rights, that we're better off being ruled by them. And so when you take a tool that powerful and you put it in the hands of people that evil, you're asking for trouble, Jeffrey. And what you just described there at the end, that impulse, that human, impulse for control has always been with us, you know, in modern humanity. There's always been

groups of people that have that thought, but they've never had a tool this powerful to achieve that thought. And so I want to drill that point home. This is a supercharged tool to do this. And that's what you're pointing at. It absolutely is. And this is true in so many different respects. We wouldn't even have time if we had a week to talk about this. It can surveil you and monitor everything you do, every click you make on the internet, every text message you send, all of it, gathered up into supercomputers, processed through algorithms, run through artificial intelligence to determine the significance of it. Not only can it monitor and surveil all of that, it can then start manipulating the physical environment when you start combining it with

robotics, when you start combining it with weapons systems, when you start combining it with the education of our children, which is one of the big areas that I have looked at. People don't realize the AI has already invaded. the classroom, right? In 2019, the UN brought together governments in Beijing. They came out with the Beijing Consensus Agreement on Artificial Intelligence and Education, and they're openly calling for, governments are openly calling for here with the help of the UN using AI, not just to gather all this data on what your children believe, what they think, how they think, but also using these tools to manipulate and change their attitudes, their beliefs, their fundamental worldview.

So we're talking about something here that can not just watch and surveil everything, you do, but that also can start manipulating the things that you do. And so a lot of the central planners of previous decades, previous generations who thought, hey, we'll control everything. They said, well, we don't have enough data. We don't have enough computing power. We're now crossing that Rubicon. And for humanity, this is an incredible time and the time filled with incredible danger. And I find the timing is fascinating because the agenda 2030 of the United Nations, this push, this sustainable push that's seeing farmers get kicked off their land, that's seeing hillsides get covered with solar panels. You're seeing this push really being rejected by European

countries. You're seeing this push being rejected by the politics here in the United States in this cycle. So here comes AI to almost save that agenda. Do you see it that way? Absolutely. And I think that is what the totalitarians are going to eventually try to use AI for, to save their agenda for global tyranny. I mean, if you listen to them carefully, they've been pretty open about this now for several decades. They want a one-world political, economic, and even religious system. And they've been telling us this openly for a long time. I've been going to UN summit since 2009. I've watched them talk about these kinds of things. But frankly, people are not all that interested in this. They're not interested in giving up their national sovereignty.

They're certainly not interested in giving up their individual liberty. And so in comes artificial intelligence, this incredible tool that has the ability to manipulate people down to a personalized level. And again, to go back to the classroom, you see this so clearly in schools. The big trend now is personalized learning and socially emotional learning. What they're doing here is through the artificial intelligence devising individual programs targeted to a particular individual with all his or her quirks and preexisting attitudes and biases and beliefs. They're targeting these programs to manipulate what they think. And so in comes these technologies informing what's happening in the classroom, informing what is going to appear on your

television screen with a very, very advanced understanding of what it takes to manipulate people to get people to surrender their freedoms, whether it be fear, whether it be ignorance, whatever it takes. You combine all of that together. And I think it is absolutely clear. I don't know that it's clear that they will succeed, Jeffrey, but it is absolutely clear that they will attempt to use these technologies to eliminate human freedom, to eliminate human privacy, and to basically move us in a direction that is so radical, you almost sound crazy talking about it. But these people do. You listen to Yuval Noah Harari, who says that within 100 years, humanity is essentially

not going to exist anymore. Earth is going to be dominated by these creatures that are a fusion of technological components with biological components. I mean, it gets really weird. They think they're going to evolve into gods, Homo Deus, as Yuval Noah Harari has put it at the World Economic Forum in his book. That goes into my next point. You have artificial intelligence that has been built, has been marketed to us as, well,

it's just going to make your workflow a little easier. It's going to transcribe your Zoom calls. Isn't that going to be great for you? But again, like you said, the people that are pushing this behind the scenes or now out in public, they have a lot of different goals. And there's a clip right here. I don't know if you can see this,

but there's a clip right here of some of these luminaries talking about like Yulval Harari. Take a look at this. You're working to build basically an interface to the brain. Yeah, electrode to neuron interface at a micro level. Okay, what is it? I have like a plug in my head that's gonna fit into a hard drive?

Like, how does that work? Yeah, yeah. A chip and a bunch of tiny wires. This would be implanted surgically. And it would do what could you input? Could you download Jim? Yes. What, what do you think?

The long-term aspiration with neurolinguance would be to achieve a symbiosis with artificial intelligence. What we have seen so far, it's corporations and governments collecting data about where we go, who we meet, what movies we watch. The next phase is the surveillance going under our skin. COVID is critical because this is what convinces people to accept, to legitimize total biometric surveillance. And Alex, I want to bring to a point, a finer point on what you were saying is we've always had this space where human creation was by our own volition.

created something, it was in reality, and we would use it to better our reality. Computing came along, we created computing, and it was always kind of relegated to the computer sector. But now we have this switch. We have the computer sector in the form of our official intelligence reaching out, almost like this hand coming out of the TV or the computer, to influence our environment. And as you're seeing with those people that just played on that montage, they're saying not only is it going to influence your environment and control your environment, it's going into your body and reaching into your body and the human now is getting absorbed almost like the matrix into this cyberspace. Yeah, and again, Jeffrey, this stuff sounds so crazy. You know, somebody who hadn't

heard of AI suddenly, you know, pops into this conversation and says, what are you people talking about? But this is the reality. They have been talking about this openly for years now. Elon Musk years ago was talking about how NeurLink would have the ability not just to predict what your brain was going to do, not just to read your activity in your brain, your brain waves, but also to write on your brain. And he was talking about this years ago. And so we're moving very rapidly now toward what Klaus Schwab described in his book on the Fourth Industrial Revolution, the fusion of our biological systems with technological systems, which results in the creation of a whole new world. And so now you have this kind of convergence between things that like new agers and occultists have been talking about

with a one world brain converging with technological realities. And I don't expect that, you know, next year or even 10 years from now, the federal government's going to come out and demand that you insert a neuralink chip or whatever competitor comes along within your brain. But the pressure we're going to see over the next 10, 20, 30 years to upgrade ourselves, to improve ourselves, to avoid becoming obsolete is going to grow progressively stronger and stronger to the point where it's going to take a rock hard will, an incredibly solid spine to say, no, I'm not going to participate in that. Thank you. I'm going to retain my humanity.

Even understanding fully that that may cause you to have a serious handicap as far as the rest of the world is concerned. So this is very dangerous stuff. And I would recommend, Jeffrey, that people not be scared of these things, but that they start thinking about them now, start talking about them now, because we need to have not just a national discussion anymore, but a global discussion about what this means and the future of humanity. Yeah, and I would add to that a discussion within your own families with your children. We covered a study. There was an MIT study that showed the large language learning models, basically artificial intelligence. They took college students, and they were writing essays, and they had a group write it with AI, or a group write it basically with their own brain. They found, you know, not spectacularly, that the AI people, it just basically shut down their brain. It downregulated their brain.

Where people that use their brain, actually it created all this new creativity and these new linkages in their brain, and they learned and they could remember what they learned and restate it. So do you think children, as they're interacting with this, obviously you're stating the risks and how they're being targeted specifically. Do you think parents, by holding their children back from this, will have a competitive disadvantage if the rest of the world's doing it? Is there a safe level of interacting with this AI? I mean, I don't even know if it can be answered right now.

Yeah, I think you're right, Jeffrey. That's a very difficult question to answer. And I think you're right also about families need to start discussing this right now. AI, like I said at the beginning, can be a valuable tool. It can help us as individuals and it can help us as societies do some important things that would have been very difficult, if not impossible, prior to the development of these technologies. But at the same time, I mean, that MIT study showed us what should have already been intuitive, right? If you allow an artificial system to do your thinking for you, just like what happens if you lay in a hospital

bed for a month, your muscles atrophy, well, your brain is going to start atrophying if you don't use it for thinking. And so as far as I'm concerned, I've got six children, we are not going to incorporate AI in a major way into their education. They know what it is. They know how to interact with it. They know some of the risks. And it's something that, of course, we talk about at the dinner table, but we're not going to allow AI to become a substitute for research, for thinking, for analysis, for logic, or for reason. And I think way down the line, once you have a good education, once you know how to think, once you know how to use your brain, AI can then come in and supplement that in a way that is beneficial. But if you start substituting your thinking for AI,

it's going to lead a disaster. And this is a question that school boards and school districts all across the country are wrestling with right now. We've got, of course, the executive order from Donald Trump to inject AI into all public education across the country. We've got the UN calling for all education systems around the world to integrate AI in Communist China. They have now mandated it as of this year. So that is now already in the classrooms. And frankly, I don't think people are talking enough about the risks here, the risks of losing our personalities, losing our own cultures, losing our families, and even losing our humanity. And so I hope that people will seriously think about these things, maybe tap the brakes a little bit. I don't know

that this can be stopped anymore at this point, but I know that we really need to be having these discussions now rather than once it's too late to do anything. What do you say to the people that can say, like you just said, there may be no way stopping it. So let's try. We can We can train it to be empathetic. We can train it to be creative like humans. We can train it to love humans. What do you say to that kind of mindset knowing about how you mentioned the control grid that is bringing some of this in and the people behind it? Well, and I think it's important that we do have efforts to kind of put guardrails on AI that would keep it within ethical boundaries. But one of the big problems that we have is that the main companies that are at the

forefront of this are run by people who we know come from a very different perspective. I mean, even if you go back and look at that early press conference that Donald Trump called, where they were talking about using AI to kind of map you as an individual, determine what kind of MRNA concoction you ought to be injected with. I mean, this stuff is, in my opinion, absolutely ridiculous. And, you know, one of the pretexts that they've used, Jeffrey, to kind of argue against any kind of regulation, any kind of controls is the idea that, well, if we don't allow these people to do whatever they want with this technology, then,

Communist China is going to use it for evil purposes. And this argument, I think, falls short on several levels. First of all, Communist China is mostly copying our technology. They're really not doing a lot of innovation. They're really just ripping off what American taxpayers and American institutions and research and development departments are producing. So that's not a good argument. And even if it were true that Communist China might use these technologies for nefarious purposes,

that is certainly not an argument for not allowing these people to use these technologies against us in the United States for nefarious purposes. So I think we really need to look very carefully at these arguments that are being made. We do need, I think, different kinds of controls, and especially when we're talking about military applications here. I mean, the AI is that we have available to autonomous drones basically. Yeah. Absolutely. And now with drones becoming, you know, the size of mosquitoes, they've got technologies people can't even dream about. We've got to have some public oversight of this. And I think Congress and state legislatures are appropriate places for these discussions. And I guess one last question. Do you think there is, is there any, is there any truth to

the idea that, you know, AI was dropped upon us right when we exited COVID. So you had a population, we had Dr. Michael Nils on and he said that the COVID changed the brain of a lot of people to, you know, it was traumatic. And do you think this, this idea AI was rolling out and kind of thrown in our face after COVID as, as a plan? Or do you think this was just, we've been working on this for decades and it just happened to come out in 20 whatever. Very good question, Jeffrey. And I'm not a coincidence theorist. I don't like to try to use coincidence to explain things. The reality is if you look at, for example, what the head of the IMF was saying, Cristallina Giorgiva, if you look at what Klaus Schwab was saying,

if you look at what these people were arguing, even early on during COVID and even before, they knew these things were coming. Ray Kurtz, while the chief of engineering at Google, they knew these technologies were coming. And they were actually very pleased that COVID forced everything into the digital world, from the classroom to the work environment. These things were manipulated behind the scenes. Your average person has no clue, but behind the scenes, there are powerful people working together to take your freedom and to run your life for you. And the sooner we all realize that, the better off we will all be. Alex, I want to thank you for joining me. And I want you to hang on just for a second because I want to speak to you a little bit off the

record off the show here about maybe what guides you and your faith and how you found your faith and how is that a centerpiece in your life. And I want to bring people to off the record and that is our special gift to our donors. And this is where we sit down with people like Alex to have a real in-depth conversation with the person behind the headlines. Take a look. It's time to go off the record. for our donors. All right, we're rolling. Here we go. I want to thank you for just sticking around a little bit.

We call this off the record. This is what we couldn't talk about on the high wire. I actually want to dive into a very sensitive topic. You have no obligation to be honest with these people. Is anyone telling me the truth? No doctor wants to say that they're killing people. Yeah, but doesn't every doctor want to stop killing people? You have no freedom.

You have no liberty. You're a slave. Journalism massively failed the United States. It's silly to call people anti-vaccine. It's nonsense. All the vultures come out. You're married? All of that's BS. This whole system's rigged, and they don't care about our health.

We will have full discovery power. Watch what happens when we go off the record. You are not going to miss this. Good hanging out. Indeed. Thanks for staying with me. This has been a massive show. This has been so much information.

I hope you took it all in. Maybe you can rewatch it. We're going to bring it out in segments. You can go to the highwire.com to check out all the parts of this show. But I want to talk about the journey, and everyone is on their own individual journey. My journey started over a decade ago in this space, and for me, it was a voice in my head that told me, also in my heart, that told me that I don't know if I'm doing the right thing. And at that time, I was going to be a doctor I wanted to, I was actually going into med school.

And I saw some of the damages that pharmaceutical drugs, opioids, were doing in my community, overdoses of people that were taking, friends that were taking normal doses that the doctor prescribed him and didn't tell them about the side effects they didn't know about. And I saw vaccine injury and saw the parents dealing with these. And I saw heroes in mothers and fathers that were taking care of their children who were harmed by these products and also trying to be advocates and activists in writing and testifying like you saw at Ron Johnson's hearing. And I saw these things and I said, I don't know if I can be a part of this. And that was my journey as a journalist.

That's where it started right there. Looking outside in, being on this show, meeting Dell, having this amazing team behind me, that is what that choice for me to step away brought. It opened those doors. It allowed me to meet an amazing woman that became my wife. My life changed forever. And I want to say where we're at in this country right now, I think there is. There is so much hope.

And I know that people like Secretary Kennedy is not doing everything perfect in the eyes of everybody. I've never had a conversation with Kennedy. I've reported from afar and I can tell you his words and his actions are congruent over time. And that's perhaps all we can ask for. And maybe this is what change looks like, this push pull, as they say, this animating contest liberty.

But I want to leave you with this. For the public out there, I know there's some of you watching that also have that voice. and that have been ignoring that voice. Maybe it's time to listen to that voice. Maybe it's time to change something up, to do something differently. And maybe it's time to make a change that could change the trajectory of your life.

And who knows, you may inspire others to do something as well. I've been incredibly blessed to be able to be watched and listened to. I'm very humble, and this is all overwhelming for me. I typically, believe it or not, shy away from cameras, but thanks to meeting Dell, Dell said, we're going to put you on camera every week, and here I am. And I'm incredibly blessed in my life. I want to thank all the viewers out there and the team that has made this happen and has made our message go around the world and back again

and change things in the way we could. So I want to leave you with Arthur Ash's quote. You want to start where you are, use what you have, and do what you can. And your voice inside you will be happy if you do that. This is Jeffrey Jackson, signing off for the high wire. We'll see you next week.