The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 435: ICAN DOUBLES DOWN

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

Del Bigtree returns to call out the AAP after it declares war on religious exemptions. ICAN is doubling down in its fight, and we need you. Jefferey Jaxen investigates the rising push for Universal Basic Income and Central Bank Digital Currencies — and what it means for your freedom. And, major health institutions are doubling down: the AAP is now targeting religious exemptions in a dramatic new push. Finally, Dr. Fabrizio Mancini joins the show to share the most powerful step in our health revolution: awakening the body’s innate ability to heal.Guests: Aaron Siri, Esq., Dr. Fabrizio ManciniBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. Wow, I'm back. Look at this. Sitting at the desk, I have to tell you, for the first time in a very long time, I was in a place where I had no self-form. phone coverage. There was no way to speak to the outside world. If you were watching last week,

some of you know, I took a hike down to the Grand Canyon with my family, my wife, Lee, and my son, Ever, and daughter, Thaya. We went to the Havasupai in the Grand Canyon, which is an Indian reservation, actually owned by the Indian people there. And I will tell you, if you haven't been, you should look into it. It's like Shangri-La. Literally, you hike a desert Canyon for 10 miles, about eight miles in, you turn a corner, and there's this crystal blue water just as you're seeing there. That's Mooney Falls, a 300, over 300 foot waterfall. There's the Havasu Falls, which is about 140 foot waterfall, and just these beautiful terrorist falls. I mean, you just can't believe that water that it's real and there's pomegranate trees and it's lush and gorgeous.

My understanding is they didn't find that tribe for decades after America had been settled because no one knew they were down there anyway. It's still as pristine as I saw it. I think the first time I went was when I was 14 years old. My father would take us camping usually for about a month every year. He's a minister. Many of you know that, but we would go and just unplug and go out. A lot of times the Red Rock Canons of Moab or Arizona, Utah. and so I wanted to experience that with my kids.

You know, I really haven't had that opportunity. It was so amazing to unplug and get into nature. So I can't recommend it enough. I was, you know, I was joking with my brother, though, you know, just an inside story. My father, you know, we would go on these vacations. Maybe it never lasted quite four weeks. I don't think we got there because at some point my dad would start saying,

you know, I don't think I can go back. He'd like get this panic in his voice. Like, I can't go back. I can't go back and put on the harness. he would say. So, you know, kids, I love you. It's been great. But if, you know, me and the dog just walk off from the sunset, just know that we're okay. I swear, like, you know, and I'd say to my brother, I remember my dad, like, giving that speech. Was that, like, one time? Because it's like, I get, like, PTSD thinking about it. And my brother's like, no, I think he did that, like every vacation we had.

And mom would be like, all right, kids, pack up the kit. Time to get the car. We've got to get dad back to to work. Anyway, I can say, I wasn't like that. It's actually, I was really looking forward to getting back here. And thank God, because while I was away, apparently the attack is on. All the work that we've done, if you've been watching the high wire all the years that we've been doing this, our number one goal is to give you choice, to give us all choice, to have a decision about what goes into our bodies and the bodies of our children. If you want to vaccinate, I will never, you know, get in your way. It's a free country. But you cannot force things upon us, force things into our bodies at all.

Otherwise, we have, you know, rights no greater than farm animals. I've said that so many times. And of course, our number one fight is to bring back at least a religious exemption in every single state. We've been talking about freeing the five. We won in Mississippi. That had never happened, by the way, decades. I think since the 1970s, Mississippi had a, you know, had lost a religious exemption.

We just brought that back, which was a huge. victory and we'd always said to ourselves on this journey once we start moving the needle back the other direction not just defending and getting better at defending what's coming at us or you know keeping them from taking rights away but actually getting rights back that's when we know we've taken the offensive position and to be clear that is what they recognize has happened as is made by this aAP article that came out just while I was away medical versus non-medical immunization exemptions for child care and school attendance, a policy statement. The American Academy Pediatrics is saying they are going to make a full court press to remove any ability to have a

non-medical exemption. So they don't want religious exemptions. They don't want personal belief exemptions. And I'll be honest with you, if you watch what happened in California, they don't even believe there's such a thing as a medical exemption. So that's a lie too. They are coming at us because we are having serious wins. We're going to talk about the giant legal update this week. We just got to stay Aaron Seri and his team working for ICANN. I can's legal team secures preliminary injunction in West Virginia against the Board of Education lawsuit.

So that's where the governor gave brought in a religious exemption. And now the school board is trying to stop that exemption from happening. We are in the fight of our lives. We just got to stay. So the kids right now are being allowed to go to school. I'm going to talk to Aaron Siri coming up later about that. So whether you're a member of the AAP or Pfizer or Merck, I have one thing to say, I'm back and we are coming after you.

So we are not going to stop. ICAN is doubling down. I've never been more invigorated to continue this mission that we've been on all the way since 2016 when ICan began and early in 2017 when we started this show, the Highwire. We have a lot of work to do, folks. And it's getting intense out there. We're going to be talking all about that. I'm also going to talk about, you know, how do we actually get healthier?

How do we help our friends get healthier? We can't just talk about the problem and not have solutions. It's something while I was, you know, down there in the canyas I thought, let's start talking more about solutions. I have one of my favorite people to do that coming on. Fab Mancini is going to be joining me. He's been a huge part of a sounding board for me while working with Maha and try to figure out how we, you know, get things done with government and all of that. He's got a brand new book called Self-Health, which I think is amazing. We're going to talk all about it.

But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. Jeffrey, first of all, I want to thank you for doing such an amazing job hosting the Highwire while I was away and giving me that opportunity to really just cut the cord for a minute. It's been a while since I've done that. I couldn't even check in with you guys if I wanted to, but you did an outstanding job. The reviews are awesome. I'm a little nervous. They always say never let your understand.

study go on. So just cool your jets a little bit there, Jeffrey, but really nice work. Appreciate it. Yeah, but does. Well, everyone needs that space. Everyone needs that break, especially just connecting in with the best part of all your family. So I'm glad to be able to help you do that. And it was it was a pleasure and honor to be hosting the show. And let's get into the news because we have a lot to get into. I want to talk about the artificial intelligence conversation. We've been drilling this. I've been hammering it. When you were away, I had Alex Newman on. We were talked about this.

And artificial intelligence is interesting because it was thrown into our lap after COVID. Looking at COVID as a template, we, you know, a lot of people lost their jobs. It hurt the economy and it isolated us. And we come out of COVID and all of a sudden, artificial intelligence is just thrown at us. It's here. It's a foregone conclusion. And just like COVID, they had this idea of an MRI technology. Before COVID, people in the medical community were saying, this is kind of risky to go on a population level.

Maybe we should just do this in small sections. But when COVID happened, obviously we vaccinated the world. Well, another idea is happening. What I'm seeing with artificial intelligence, people are saying it's here. Let's try this idea because what's happening is they're saying everyone's going to lose their job. There's going to be no jobs. People are going to have all this free time. What do we do with them?

Let's try universal basic income. This is an idea that's been around for centuries and no one's really tried it on a widespread basis. But now it's coming out of the mouth of what seems like everybody. Take a listen. All right. A lot of people that feel completely disenfranchised by the, system that's currently in place now that I think is going to be upended by AI. What to do about mass unemployment?

This is going to be a massive social challenge. There will be fewer and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do better. I'm very worried about AI taking over lots of mundane jobs and that should be a good thing. It's going to lead to a big increase in productivity, which leads to a big increase in wealth. And if that wealth was equally distributed, that would be great. I think ultimately we will have to have some kind of universal basic income. I don't think we're going to have a choice. A paycheck every month, even if you do not have a job.

It is called universal basic income. What if you are paid an income each month without having to lift a finger? We should explore ideas like universal basic income to make sure that everyone has a cushion to try new ideas. I think a basic minimum earnings for everybody so that there's nobody that is having to sleep on the street. basic income or universal basic income. 100% think that's really important. We have unfathomable wealth that's being created by these same systems. Right.

Right. So universal basic income on one hand has a lot of hope. All right. So just give people money. Easy, right? Well, the Belgian University in Antwerp actually looked at this and did a big study looking at is this even feasible. And this is the study here, not that basic. And what they found when it comes to basic income, they say this.

Yet a miracle remedy for persistent poverty, basic income is unlikely to be. Even when set at a very high level, that means giving a lot of people a lot more money. It's heralded simplicity seems vastly overestimated. Basic income has something of a treacherous iceberg. Below that gleaming, appealing tip of simplicity, there's a murky mass of complex choices to be made, and interactions to be accounted for. What you get may be very different from what you wish for. And then you go to an article just reporting on that same study and they basically straight up say basic income doesn't work.

And it says redistribution via basic income appears to reduce inequality slightly. But the simulation showed that poverty levels increased by three percentage points. So that's basic income. So when you hear this conversation coming out of the amounts of people saying, well, it's just simple. Just give people money. It's just it'll fix everybody's everybody's lives. The study is saying it's very complex. Even from country to country, again, it's kind of like the COVID response.

You can't just have a one-world response to this. Every state, every country has specific situations that they have to account for. Basic income is no different. So when you see this conversation. And, you know, Jeffrey, the part of this that always bothers me is like, you know, reducing inequality, as though finance is all that we are, that money is the solution to everything. You can't reduce the inequality of passion. You can't reduce inspiration.

You can't get rid of, and in many ways, I think that that's what these studies are showing, whether they state that directly or not. Handing someone money does not give them a reason for being. It doesn't give them an excitement to get up in the morning. It doesn't make them, it doesn't fulfill ideas of passion or achievement that are all human, necessary evaluations of ourselves, of our own self-esteem. And that's where I just think everyone, one is crazy if they think we're just going to hand money to people to stay at home. By the way,

people that are just sitting at home are more bored needing to spend more money because they have got no other reason. Someone that's working, you know, is out there passionately living, is not spending that much money. Most of the time, you're totally focused on what you're doing. If you're sitting around with nothing to do, there's just not enough money in the world to fill that void. So I think this is an insane idea. I think it will lead to all sorts of crime, certainly depression like we've never seen it before, because we've got to talk about the equality of human interest and passion, and being curious, all of those things.

You rob someone if you just keep them alive, and we've seen that in our welfare programs. You see that on Indian reservations. Every way that we have tried, we say we try to help people. I think we know we're enslaving them, and I think this is an international goal to enslave them. even more people. And the conversation turns to as well,

the universe plays thinking, okay, let's say it happens. Are people going to be receiving a check in the mail? Are you going to receive a bundle of cash by UPS each? No, it's going to be digital. It's going to be digital money, digital currency. Last week we had a conversation around the Genius Act. This is an act to produce what are called stable coins. This is something that's tethered to,

it's attached to something of value like the US dollar or like gold or silver, silver, but it's a coin in cyberspace on a, you know, presumably a blockchain. And the conversation from Marjorie Taylor Green during this back and forth, really a test to see if we're going to go digital. This is the first test from really 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act that has been, you know, making money out of thin air. We're going to go now fully digital.

And this is what Marjorie Taylor Green said. She said this week, the House is voting on the Genius Act, which lays the groundwork for a layered central-based digital currency where Americans interact with stable coins. But behind the scenes, there are the functional surveillance capabilities of a CBDC. The bill is written does not expressly ban CBDC and does not protect self-custy. Self-custody means that you control your own money, not a third party.

So some big issues there. That actually passed. So Trump signs this. This is a Forbes article, signs the Genius Act into law. So we're on this experiment now. Fortunately, the House also passed what was called the anti- CBDC surveillance state act. So they're very serious about not wanting the CBDC. And this blocks the digital dollar rollout. So although, and there's two camps on this, not to go into this,

but really quickly, there's the people that are saying this puts an off ramp to the Federal Reserve and their deflationary policies of the last over century. So maybe we can get some monetary policy back. But the other camp says this puts us into the digital, slippery slope towards a CBDC. So we're going to, we're all in this experiment. we're going to continue to report on this. But one of the countries in Europe that's really going full force is the Bank for International Settlements, that's in Basel, Switzerland. And they have something called the Pine Project.

So where America is really trying to hold this back, this in Europe and Switzerland, they're going full force. This is a central bank open market operations with smart contracts. You go into this document. They're using kind of banker language, but they're talking about digital tokens with smart contracts that can be executed when pre-specified conditions are met. What kind of conditions? Well, here's an article on this from Sky News Australia. Money that can expire.

And you go, Royal Bank of Australia, also participating in this, is laying the groundwork. And you go into this article, it says, we're witnessing a shift in who gets to decide how your money functions, how it moves, where it goes, what it touches, and what it refuses to. It's a shift in who holds the final say, the individual or the system.

Programable money means every single transaction can be pre-shaped, every permission can be baked into the code and every restriction can be enforced automatically without warning and without recourse. And now, bankers know what they're doing and they've been steering us in this direction for well over five years. Take a look at this. All right. This is just a short snippet of some of the key people moving in this.

One final note I will make is that if you think about the benefits of digital money, there are huge potential gains. It's not just about digital forms of physical currency. you can have programmability, you know, units of central bank currency with expiry dates. You could have, as I argue in my book, a potentially better, and some people might see it, or a darker world where the government decides that units of central bank money can be used to purchase some things, but not other things that it deems less desirable, like, say, ammunition or drugs or pornography or something of the sort. And that is very powerful.

Now, in all our analysis on CBDC, in particular for the use of general, to the general use, we tend to establish the equivalence with cash. And there is a huge difference there. For example, in cash, we don't know, for example, who's using a $100 bill today. We don't know who is using a $1,000 bill today. A key difference with the CBDC is that central market. Bank will have absolute control on the rules and regulations that will determine the use of that expression of central bank liability.

And also we will have the technology to enforce that. Those two issues are extremely important and that makes a huge difference with respect to what cash is. Boy, they really go hand in hand, don't they? universal basic income because you say to yourself, well, I want to say over what you can spend that money on. I don't want you buying drugs or, you know, whatever. You know, I want you spending it on food and things that matter. And then you see that slippery slub. It's great. Yeah, we're on that. We've already got that covered. The money they'll be getting will have rules to it.

And I wonder, Jeffrey, does this go as far as if you're getting a job? The money this job pays can't be for guns or drugs or porn or whatever? I mean, are you going to be choosing who you work for based on what they're going to allow to allocate the money you're making goes to? I mean, this is a crazy, really, I mean, it's walking imprisonment. We keep talking about it, yet these world leaders could it be, you know, more tickled to move in this direction? And that's, that final gentleman there was Augustus Carstens. He's the president of the Bank for International Settlements. And he's talking about absolute control baked into money. So I want people to really pause there. That was five years ago. It's here now for some countries. They're already beta testing this.

So this is something we need to fight here in the U.S. if anything, we can be this bastion of hope for the rest of the country and not get swallowed up into this push because there's so many people trying to do this. Yeah, well, one of the things I want to switch to here is Secretary Kennedy, HHS has been doing some really great work in some spaces and a lot of spaces here historically. And one of those spaces, we've seen headlines like this just recently. This is an issue in the organ procurement, really space in the United States. This is a big space. People need organs, life-saving organs for a lot of situations that they have with their bodies.

And a lot of people don't get them, unfortunately. But there's a flip side to that. This headline from NPR kind of really puts a finer point on this flip side. It says, horrifying mistake to take organs from a living person was averted, witnesses say. It goes into this article here. We're going to go on the high wire a little bit on this here. It says Natasha Miller says she was getting ready to do her job preserving donated organs for transplantation. When the nurses wheeled the donor into the operating room, she quickly realized something wasn't right.

The donor had been declared dead. He seemed to her very much alive. He was moving around, she said, kind of thrashing, like moving, thrashing around in the bed, Miller told MPR in an interview. And then when we went over there, you could see she had had tears coming down. He was crying visibly. That's what's going on. They pronounced him dead. He was pronounced brain dead.

And they go in there. And one of the things with organ harvesting is you can't take them from someone that's been dead. So there's this really big gray area. And it's a sliding scale of a gray area where you have to do this in time for viable organs. And that's just how that works. So Health and Human Services task HRSA to do an independent investigation into America's organ procurement system. And they produced a report here, and it says this. HHS finds systemic disregard for sanctity of life and organ transplant system.

It goes on to say, HRSA examined 351 cases where organ donation was authorized, but ultimately not completed. It found 103 cases, 29.3% showed concerning features, including 73 patients with neurolopsychs, signs incompatible with organ donations. That means they were alive. At least 28 patients may have not been deceased at the time organ procurement was initiated, raising serious ethical and legal concerns. Evidence pointed to poor neurological assessments, lack of coordination with medical teams, questionable consent practices, and misclassification of cases of death, particularly in overdose cases. So you have this system. There's really not as much of a watchful eye on it that there should be. And you have this also, they're supposed to be self-regulating themselves.

So there is something called the Oregon Procurement and Transplantation Network, OPTN. And they have a board of directors. This is a public-private partnership that oversees all professionals in the U.S. involved in this donation and transportation system. You go into HHS's report about OPTN, and they said this, under the Biden administration, the OPTN's membership and professional standards committee closed the same case without action. Herza, Herza's independent investigation revealed clear negligence after the previous OPM board of directors claimed to find no major concerns in their internal review. They didn't want people looking into it.

They swept it under the rug. Fortunately, for HHS, they did this investigation. And fortunately, we also had a House committee hearing on this just last week. And these were some of the questions that were asked. Okay. Mr. Lynch, in your written testimony, I want to read something in I quote as HRSA was directing the OPTN

to conduct the review of KYDA practices an industry trade group, the Association of Oregon procurement organizations, publicized an open letter characterizing the ongoing effort to improve patient safety through enhanced oversight as a misinformation conspiracy campaign and concluded it is time

for it to stop. And it was signed by more than 20 of the UNO's staff. Would that letter constitute an attempt to obstruct HERSA's investigation? The legal definition of obstruct, I don't believe I would be the... I'm not, I don't, I'm not talking about a legal definition. It was concerning to HERSA that numerous high-ranking members of the contractor

and members of the OPTN board did sign that. And in the review committee that we directed the OPTN to undertake, we asked that nobody who was a signer to that be a part. But basically, they were saying there's nothing to be seen here. That's correct. Okay. But that's not the first time you've had issues. Your written testimony also notes that historically, HRSA did not receive complete consistent

and at times accurate information regarding patient safety and complaints and concerns raised by the OPTN members and other stakeholders. So if there's any consistency here, it's a consistency in trying to, shield what they were actually doing. So scary. I mean, it's an actual horror movie we're talking about. And, you know, they're talking about government officials essentially looking the other way. Right. And, you know, you see this.

And I'm sorry, but anytime I see the word misinformation now, I'm thinking there is a power structure trying to protect a dominant narrative. So they're saying, we want this investigation. And this group comes in, this trade group comes in and says, misinformation. You shouldn't do this. These are lies. You shouldn't look into this. this is actually conspiracy that you're having to look into this. Well, they have a big problem.

One of the problems is the actual definition of brain death. And there's a study that looked at this. It's that the definition was settled on in 1968 by Harvard researchers. And it was mostly for the clinicians, not the patient. And the conclusion in this article, looking at all the considerations of what's called clinical brain death, and that's what's one of the things that, a big thing that's used to begin this organ procurement. And it says this, the main question addressed in this article was whether the concept of brain death is still valid. According to the presented arguments, the concept of brain death

as a synonymous term with human death, diagnosed according to the criteria of irreversible cessation of lung and cardiac function is invalid. We consider that the interest of the organ transplantation program would be better served by openness and honesty. So they have this gray area, they have this issue, research and investigations are saying, look, this grayer has gone a little bit too far. We need to rein this in. We really need to look at this entire system that we have here. We know people need organs. This is a dire situation for a lot of people on these lists. Let's figure this out. HHS has taken the lead on this and thank God they have. Wow. I mean, you think of all the people that, you know, have it written on their driver's

lessons or whatever and you know want to be doing what's right we certainly don't want you know your own death being fast-tracked in order to save somebody else which is what this looks like and the money around it right i mean they make these hospitals make huge money selling these organs doing these process so it's incentivizing sort of what we saw in covid incentivizing a diagnosis that may not necessarily be covid incentivizing to put you on you know a ventilator incentivizing remdesivir incentivizing removing an organ, these are the types of things where we've, you know, I'm glad, you know, Robert Kennedy Jr. is in there and actually like being, we've got to look at these things. We've got to reassess

how we're defining death and make sure that you're dead if we're taking these things. So it's really an amazing story. And I think, sure, shocking for people that probably have relatives that their organs were taken wondering, you know, I hope that they were actually, you know, not going to make it. Now, each week we spend probably at least one segment talking about the movements and the battles within health regulatory agencies in the United States. And so let's jump into this now because it's moving very fast. So we do have now a new CDC director at Susan Monterez. She has been finally confirmed by the Senate.

So the CDC, as we know, has a long way to go to build integrity and trust if it is even possible with the public after the failed COVID response on their end. So she's going to take the helm here. She is an expert or her space of expertise is artificial intelligence. So there's a lot of hope there. There's also some concern there about how deep that's going to go. But that's going on. And also I want to just say just because I know there's a lot of conversations about this. And what I can say is I did have a conversation with Robert Kennedy Jr. well over a month ago before I was on vacation about Susan. And I will say this, he really liked her a lot. It was a favorite choice for him, because I know a lot of people would debate. Well, is she being forced on him? Is he not, you know,

there's a lot of questions. I don't have a lot of the answers. But I can say on this one, he really liked her background. He felt like she was open-minded in how she could do studies using new technologies, which he thought were going to be important for some of the work that he wanted to do. So take it as you will. You know, if you're going to judge somebody, I think in this case, he judged Robert Kennedy Jr. on this choice because this is one that he wanted to make. And so I look forward to seeing, because I know him, I know what his goals are, I look forward to seeing what she can accomplish and hopefully he's made the right choice there. Absolutely. And so we also have at the FDA, Vinay Prasad is out. Remember, he took over Peter

Mark's old position as the head vaccine regulator, among other things. He's left his position after less than four months. Not a lot of real solid information going back and forth about what's going on. There's a little murky there. So just know that he's out. That position's open. We're very interested to see who steps into that position now because there's a lot of sway, at least for our audience and the public that has the same ideology as us for medical freedom. There's a lot of leeway there. So we need someone in that position that can make some movements. Now, one of the things HHS Secretary Kennedy has been really banging the drone about over the past month is the vaccine injury compensation program, or I should say, the broken vaccine injury

compensation program. And he put out an ex post here. Literally, it's five large paragraphs of issues. He didn't just say there's an issue with the program needs to be fixed. Five large paragraphs going in depth of the issues. And just one of the paragraphs here, he says, the VICP has devolved into a morass of inefficiency, favoritism, and outright corruption as government lawyers and the special masters who serve as vaccine court judges prioritize the solvency of the HHS trust fund over their duty to compensate victims. The VICP is broken and I intend to fix it. I will not allow the VICP to continue to ignore its mandate and fail its mission of quickly

and fairly compensating vaccine injured individuals. So again, these programs are here as a safety net. So taking the stance of someone that would be extremely pro-vaccine, you would want these programs to work really well. So the public and public health works, people would trust vaccination and get vaccinated. You don't want the public going, I don't want to get vaccinated because on the back end, I'm going to be left hanging in the wind. Well, that's been happening for decades. Well, let's remind you, this is at the heart of the liability of protection. You don't have the ability to go sue if this product injures you. You can't sue Merck. You can't see Pfizer. This

VICP program is basically you sue HHS secretary. you know, through it. HRSA is the department that handles it, but you bring the case, and it's supposed to be a no-fault case basically saying, you know what? We see that, we know that these are side effects

that are written on the label. You've had that side effect. It's supposed to be an easy court where you get paid because we know you're a casualty of this war against nature, but it's been become anything but which he lays out very clearly.

Everyone should read that. And of course, there's just the many things. If you're on our newsletter, you can have the entire, you know, tweet that he put out. every article. I just want to point out to people that that's how this works. You want to read the whole thing. We're going to touch on it. But it's really, he's right. This is a, there you go. Just go to the highwire.com. I want you to go down right now because you got to be utilizing

the tools that we're building for you. There's a reason I got a team of people working on this so that you can have all the information in your hands right there below, Brave Bold News. Just type in your email there. That way you get links to all of things. You may only want one thing that we've said here, but instead of taking notes and what did that say, it's put right in your inbox so that you can then go and say, I want to read that entire tweet by Robert Kennedy, Jr. Not to get off track, but these are the tools we've built. We're proud of them. We work hard at it, and it puts you in an information position that nobody else is creating for you in this space. But once again, I just want to lay out very clearly for anyone that doesn't understand how messed up

vaccine court is. Essentially, you get injured or your child gets injured by the vaccine. You go to this court that has no jury. It doesn't even have a judge. It has a special master. And in that court, you've got to prove that this injury happened to your child. It used to be, all I had to do was be listed on the, you know, and that every year they're putting new side effects that they're finding new adverse events. They've stopped doing that. There's no new ones. Even the COVID vaccine, we can barely find any listed side effects so you can't sue on anything that's not there. And then they fight you on it now. And then they say to you, you have to provide the science. You have to. you're not a scientist, you're not a doctor, and what science do they rely on?

They won't take a science by Dr. Mawson or other people that have proven that autism can be caused by a vaccine. No, the science has to have been done basically by HHS themselves, and they're refusing to do the science. And so here you are in a court system where the defendant is HHS, and you have to get HHS to do the science to prove your case that they're refusing to do. I say it's like this. This court is essentially like, you know, having a murder, you know, a defendant in a murder case, and the murderer in this case is the one doing all the forensics for the case. And you're wondering why you cannot win this case. That is what's been happening to all of these families that are stuck in this court that goes on six, ten years. They don't

pay your lawyers. They try to make this as painful as possible and try not to pay you. It is everything but what it was supposed to be. And thank God Robert Kennedy Jr. is finally going to do something about this. I think if you start fixing that, you really start getting to the heart of the problem around this. You've got to take care of people that are injured and you've got to admit they are being injured. And from I understand, he's brought in legal experts and he also has enrolled Attorney General Pam Bondi because this is really a legal operation housed within the U.S. government, the special masters and you are going to court at that stage. So he's bringing in some big guns. It's going to be interesting to see there's a lot of untangling to do there.

But speaking of entangling, let's go back to the AAP because they're in the firestorm. You're to talk about this more I know with Aaron Siri. But American Academy of Pediatrics, they just can't seem to help themselves because after that ex post, that tweet by Secretary Kennedy, they took to X and gave a rebuttal. And they said this, threatening to fix VICP is just the latest example of a larger ongoing effort

to erode confidence in childhood vaccines and the public health infrastructure designed to keep kids safe and healthy. It's literally none of them. that. It's it's completely inverted to that. It's actually trying to help help that infrastructure. So people have trust again. But that's AAP for you, always on the wrong side of the debate. And just for a second, I want to look at AAP's funding because AAPP enjoys a lot of money. They're supposed to be a nonpartisan trade group. They're just right down the middle. But you can see there,

they're literally fighting the HHS secretary. They're fighting the government in which they're, they are serving under essentially. And you can see the funds, HHS, health and human services, they receive over almost $35 million from them, according to their expenditures of federal awards in 2024. This is from June 30th, 2024. So that's their internal papers. They've been known to take money from the vaccine industry. And, you know, this is, this is, I don't know how long that's going to last, but, you know, maybe it won't have to last very long, because maybe vaccines won't have to be mandated anymore. Maybe they'll go into the free market and people can just decide to buy them if they want in the form of, done.

dental floss. So it's our next study here. Scientists use dental floss to deliver vaccines without needles. All right, get ready for this. So they have floss laced with vaccine components like proteins and inactive viruses. And they apply it to the gum lines, not of people, but of mice. So in this experiment, these researchers floss 50 mice every two weeks for 28 days. And that's a job.

I mean, this is in there with putting vaccines in plants and vegetables, which they're working on, spraying it from airplanes aerosolized. I mean, you know, the only funny part about this is trying to imagine a bunch of scientists flossing mice. And by the way, I guess that's a job. AI and robots probably can't do. So you're probably safe there if you go ahead and get a job as a mouse flosser. Lots of mice business. You can't meet it.

Absolutely amazing. Well, Jeffrey, you know, once again, amazing reporting. these are, you know, the issues of our time, and I love that we bring some humor to it, but it really is quite scary what we're up against. When you see AAP, I'm about to talk to, you know, Aaron Siri, ACLU is fighting us trying to force vaccine people. What are they doing in this game? Where is all this funding come from?

You see the stories about, you know, the George Soros of the world. It isn't just political. It's literally a battle for our lives, Oregon donations. How many of these things are really a part? of eugenics and all the questions that we keep asking. No one does it better than you, Jeffrey. I've missed you. It's great to be back. I look forward to talking to you next week. Thank you so much, Al. Good to see you. All right, good. Take care. Well, we, you know, had a huge breaking story this week in a very important case.

Of course, this is the case in West Virginia. But before I get into that, let me just show you, at the top of the show, I said the AAP is against us. I mean, literally, I want you to really think this in this next segment I want you to ask yourself what other organization do I know or do I donate to that actually has won back religious exemptions won back the ability to exempt your kid out of you know the vaccine program school we did it in Mississippi we won back the university system in California so that now all college students can go to any UC school and not have to vaccinate. Of course we have cases going on in many of these states that are, you know, have taken away your personal belief or religious exemptions. Some we can't talk about. We're

about to talk about one right now. But when you are winning, when you're the one on the field, when you become the winning team, when you are Tiger Woods, guess whose poster is on the wall and who everyone wants to be? That's kind of how I see Aaron Siri. And that's who I think they're talking about in this AAP article. Take a look at this. Medical, versus non-medical immunization exemptions for child care and school attendance policy statement. This is what they go on to say. The AAP recommends that all states, territories, and the District of Columbia eliminate all non-medical exemptions from immunizations as a condition of school attendance.

That's the entire country, everybody. That's now, you know, what is that? Forty-five states they want to go after. In addition, states and territories should develop policies to ensure that any medical exemptions are appropriate and evidence-based, meaning, We don't believe there's such a thing as a medical exemption, and we've proven that in California. Folks, the fight is on. It's real.

For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Is that Newton? I think it is. Anyway, that is at play here. So while I was in the Grand Canyon, you know, just basking the sun and thinking about all we've achieved, there's someone that's going to try and take all of that away from us. Well, we've got a fight going on, really big one in West Virginia. Many have been watching.

this is our, you know, legal update in that we have just pulled off a stay in that case. They are not going to right now that case is being held. Here it is. I can's legal team secures preliminary injunction in West Virginia Board of Education lawsuit. Of course, at the heart of that is the law firm we work with Aaron, Siri, and Glimstead. You want to see them at work? Take a look at this. Legal battles surrounding religious exemptions for school vaccinations continue this time in a courtroom.

The lawsuit was filed against the Raleigh County Board of Education and the West Virginia State Board of Education following a decision to follow the state's existing vaccine mandates. This is despite an executive order from Governor Patrick Morrissey meant to require religious exemptions for vaccinations. Judge Michael Froebel has officially granted a preliminary injunction to three Raleigh County students, allowing them to go to school without required vaccinations. The court finds that the plaintiff has met the birth. of the four factors for the preliminary injunction. We've got state action here by these defendants denying my clients the ability to attend school. That's likely to go to the Supreme Court,

and I think I was reassured with what the judge said because it backed up what we've been saying since January. The judge's ruling in this case applies only to the children named as plaintiffs in this particular lawsuit here inside of Raleigh County. But there are a lot of people asking for that religious exemption. exemption. We just want to protect these families that have deeply held religious beliefs to give them the opportunity to go to school. There's no reason why they shouldn't. I think everyone watching

should also know Westfordene is one of only five states in the nation that doesn't have a statutory exemption for religious freedom. That's important. Well, this is a huge, you know, victory in many ways, but it's not over. Obviously, this is just, you know, a means to try and get to an end in a case that we have been battling for years. I want to bring on probably the greatest attorney in the world, Aaron, Siri, at least in this space and all the work we've been doing. Aaron, a huge moment here in West Virginia. But before we even get to that, what do you think of this statement made by the American Academy of Pediatrics, basically demanding a removal of any exemption out of the vaccine program across this country?

I think that they just wrung the death knoll to the vaccine program in this country in many ways. To gain the few additional percentage points that they want to achieve for parents that have reasons to not vaccinate their children, they're going to seek to nationally crush their rights. What do people do when you take away their rights? when you throw their children out of school, even though they have a reason, whether it's a deeply held religious belief, whether it's some other deeply held reason,

whether it's because there's child suffered a medical issue that the CDC won't recognize, and hence states won't recognize. What do you think that does to those parents? It turns them into lifelong advocates that are going to fight these products. And they're just products. And if the AAP were smart

and it wanted to protect its holy grail, its products, from quote-unquote being politicized, it would stop politicizing the products. And the way that it politicizes them is by taking away people's rights, forcing them to get them that they don't want. Almost everybody in this country, most kids get these products, even in the states that have checked-the-box exemptions, which is about 45 of them. They still have far above 90% vaccination rate. Back in the early 80s, the vaccination rate in this country for the only three routine vaccines at that time was in the 50 to 60 percentage points, according to the CDC data. Okay? And everybody was pretty much fine. Here we are. They're at well over 90% often, and yet they decide that they need to crush. It's always blaming the unvaccinated for everything. This is not about health. If they cared about health, they care about the chronic disease epidemic. They have overseen in the last 40s.

years the largest decline in childhood health in recorded human history. Yeah. The A, I've over seen that, but you know what? You don't hear them talking about that. You don't see them talking about raising the national arm about that. You know why? Because as that chronic disease goes up, so does the profits of their members. They're a trade organization, they're a medical organization.

They're there to assure the profitability of their members, and those are pediatricians and other similar doctors. because Z line goes up, that's good for business. Vaccination rates go up. That's good for business. What's not good for business is if those lines go in the other direction. I'm not saying, not trying to infer an evil intent. They're just doing what they're supposed to do. They're a trade organization. We're supposed to look out for the best financial interests of their members, and that's what they're doing. But they made, I think, a tragic mistake in what they're doing by saying, let's crush the rights of people around the country. It didn't work out in California,

you did in 2014. And in many ways emboldened and created folks like, Udell, who have come out and at SB 277, have decided to, it is part of the motivation, I'm sure, to go in a fight with regards to these mandates. And I'll end by saying this. If you want to get people to vaccinate, to persuade them on the merits,

don't do what every other folks that have power do in the past. when they can't persuade you in the merits, which is bully you, engaging thuggery, engage in the worst kind of conduct, and that's what the AAP did here. They can't persuade you on the merits, and so their solution is, we're just going to say, you can't have rights. We're going to crush your rights to make you do what we want, even though we can't persuade you. That is the absolute worst form of conduct. I agree. I think you're absolutely right. Of course, I was, I guess, as they call it, I hear this word a lot now radicalized by SB 277.

I just said, no way. There's no way you have the right to forcibly inject my children with 72 vaccines at that time, especially when, you know, my generation only had to get 10 vaccines. And in other countries, fully vaccinated is like 20 vaccines. So you aren't even, they're not even consistent on what being vaccinated means, yet they're going to enforce it at that level. And as we've just seen, they don't even want to see people get paid back. if they are injured, they don't want to see that program fixed.

So you're right. Across the board, all they care about is the bottom dollar, bottom line, and they're standing up for, you know, the trade. So while that is their interest, you're in a case, there's also, you know, in West Virginia, I want to talk about that, but in that case, the ACLU is fighting against us. We're funding this case in West Virginia right now that you're on. Explain that to me.

What is up with the ACLU? So let me just, here's this article. I'll just read one excerpt from it. The loudest voices in West Virginia are added again the time suing over governor over his executive order granting families the right to religious and philosophical vaccine exemptions for school age children. The ACLU, along with several county school boards and bureaucratic backers are fighting tooth and nail to crush parents' right to decide what is best for their child. I mean, they're coming out of the cracks in woodwork. ACLU is fighting us in court. First of all, why? And how's it going?

Okay, so two things. The ACLU knows as much about vaccines, I think, actually, as the AAP. So, for example, like in this AAP statement that they put out, they said, oh, pertussis, we have to achieve a 95% immunity rate to prevent the spread of pertussis. Even the AP apparently doesn't understand that these products work, that protestant vaccine does not stop transmission, which is incredible. And then they all are recently citing to this ridiculous CDC publication, which I'm going to be addressing soon.

That claims that millions of lives were saved over the last 20 years from vaccination, which the only problem with that is just statistics. You know, it's a problem because when you actually add up just the deaths in the year prior to each vaccine's introduction, you can never reach even. thousands of kids, let alone millions of kids. Wow. It's just nonsensical. That'll come and do course.

But here's the thing. The ACLU is an organization that is supposed to protect civil and individual rights. And I will tell you, when I went to law school at Berkeley, okay, there was something called Free Speech Square in Berkeley, where the civil rights movement in many ways was launched to fight to assure people's right to speech. Look, I may not like. neo-Nazis marching through a Jewish town in Illinois, but the idea was I'll fight to the death for their right to do it because protecting their rights to free speech protected all of our rights for free speech. Okay, right? That's what the ethos was. That was the ethos of the ACLU back then. It has completely lost its way. That the ACLU will come in to say that children should be kicked out of school rather than protect their right to attend school. is just, it's like the world has gone upside down for me in many ways.

Yeah. Look, think about it like this. You know, these kids, they don't disappear when they're kicked out of school. Remember, this lawsuit is just about them not going to school. They don't disappear. Their parents unlock them in cages. They don't get put in a box in a basement. They're otherwise part of society, period.

They're going to ball games. They're going to the market. They're going to the playgrounds. They're meeting in homeschool pods. In West Virginia, they can have as many kids in a pod. One of our clients explained that they go into this homeschool pod with a hundred children at a religious facility. We're broken up into classrooms. So they're basically going to school.

They're just homeschooling. You know, they're talking about, well, we can't have clustering of unvaccinated kids. You're creating a cluster of 100 unvaccinated kids. So it's not about health. Come on, give me a break. It's not about your religious beliefs. You believe protested vaccine for stop transmission, even though the evidence shows it's the opposite. Because that's your belief.

It's no different than a religion. But the thing is they want to replace the religious beliefs to these parents with their religious beliefs. And what really makes them mad is that these parents refuse to adopt their religious beliefs about these products and not abandon their own. I think the other thing that makes them mad is that to some degree or creates cognitive dissonance is that these unvaccinated kids, they don't suffer from these chronic health issues. Right. And they apparently see dead set and making sure that these kids are just as healthy as the average American kid. Yeah, which is not. It's a bad reality.

It's terrible. All right, so tell me about this case. We've been at it, you know, for years. Just tell me where we're at right now, this stay that just happened. What is a stay for people that maybe, you know, don't watch enough legal shows? What just took place and how did you win it? So the technical term is an injunction. An injunction?

And what the judge orders is a preliminary injunction in this case. So I'll give you the lead up to it. Like many of the lead, a lot of lead work we do, you know, the pharmaceutical attorneys and the industry attorneys are smart in how they do things. They often don't just go in and try and kill, so to speak, in one false swoop. It's more of death by a thousand cuts. And in many respects, a lot of the league work we do is try to move things by inches, right? We are now, we brought multiple lawsuits in California. We've won, you know, the last two.

We're now on another one. And we try to move out the precedent, slow piece by piece. So in West Virginia, for example, we first got an injunction that prohibited the state of West Virginia from not providing schooling to homeschoolers. So in West Virginia, if you don't want to attend school, you can be in their public school remotely. And they said, you can't do that unvaccinated. You're in your home anyway. It's so ridiculous. But whatever. So we got an injunction. The states against the school board that was refusing to honor that child's religious exemption, and the judge says, no, you need to honor it. So we got that. Then we had a separate federal

a lawsuit that seek to broaden that. And as that process was going along, the governor ended up agreeing with our position. The governor, Patrick Morrissey, credible, who was the, when he was the attorney general, when we started the case, actually ended up filing a meeky brief in support of our position, interestingly, even though technically he then had to get outside attorneys to represent the health department. Talk about a weird situation. And so that whole legal maneuvering was going on.

He became governor. And what he did is he passed an executive order affirming that the state law in West Virginia does require religious exemption. So we said, great, we dropped our federal lawsuit. We said we've now gotten all of the relief that we've sought. And the state health department in West Virginia started issuing religious exemptions for kids to attend school. Great. We thought it was all over. Nope.

because then the unelected board of education in the state of West Virginia decided that those religious exemptions shouldn't be honored. So they told all the schools of West Virginia don't honor the religious exemptions. So then you got some school districts that were honoring it, some that weren't. And so what we did is we have now sued the state board of education. And that's the lawsuit you're just talking about. And we did on behalf of three families, four kids, three of them were rising seniors, one's going into a preschool and the judge from the bench as you saw in that video clip issued a preliminary injunction saying to the state

under the state law in mrs in west virginia you need to honor those religious exemptions that were brought by the that were granted by the state health department so we're now let's me put it this way in the current lawsuit we've got the governor supporting us we've got the health department supporting us and now we're just down to the board of education fine So this is like in some ways, I guess you could call it mop up. So we're going to, you know, round the circle on this. And, you know, we're going to restore a religious exemption to West Virginia one way or another. It's going to happen through this legal proceeding. If not, the state legislature is going to pass it. If not, this executive order is going to be honored.

But it's going to happen. And, you know, and then we're on our way to then the four remaining states. If we don't add any more, you know, Aaron, just how many years? I want people to get a sense of this because, you know, we celebrate these lawsuits, especially when they start coming to a head like they are right now. They get very exciting. We're close to the wind. We can see the finish line.

But this case, I think I remember started, I mean, first of all, I've been going to West Virginia and meeting with the health department there since 2016 when I stopped there with Vaxed and giving speeches and talking to politicians and trying to push legislation. but legally we started funding legal cases. It had to be three, two, three years now, hasn't it? That we've been fighting in West Virginia? Yes. I mean, our law firm has over 90 cases that we're handling right now

that are supported by ICANN or where ICANN is the plaintiffs. So we have over now, I think that's just a federal court, actually. We think we might have more in state courts. We have a lot of, we have a lot of lawsuits going on. And ICANN, as I've said in the past, one of the things I love about ICANN is that you folks rarely fundraise from what I have seen based on cases that are filed. You fundraise based on the win, so that's great.

Because, you know, it can be disruptive otherwise. And a lot of organizations, you know, everybody makes their own choice and how they do that. In any event. Well, by the way, can I just say, thank God you're a winner because we wouldn't make any money, we wouldn't be able to bring in the money to keep going if you weren't so good at winning.

so it, you know, it takes two to tango on that front. But I appreciate that. But this climate now, do you see a change in the climate with ACLU, with AAP? It looks like, you know, at first when you were fighting, no one was paying attention. The war, you know, every financial interest in pharmacies will be paying attention to you and I can in the suits that we're now bringing. Do you feel, is the pressure, you know, heating up out there? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

Look, they, the pharmaceutical industry and the accoutrements of that industry, right? There's a hospital industry. There's a whole universe of medical organizations that have a financial interest in these products continuing to multiply. They have invested in incredible amount of money in lobbying efforts, federal and state levels. And at the state levels, part of that lobbying effort, of course, is that, you know, to get rid of exemptions. Well, one is to mandate the products,

and then two is to get rid of exemptions. Because obviously, if you want to be able to predict whether or not your product's gonna sell and you're gonna profit, if it's mandated, then it's a lot better for you, right? You're a lot more likely to sell more products. And once you can also start that mandating machine, the more products you can kind of add to it.

You know, if you actually look at many states, for example, like even West Virginia, most of the vaccines that are mandated in Massachusetts, Virginia, three out of the six, including, and the months, which is one of the other, is before. We're not mandated until 2015. Okay. 2015, you're going to mandate products for, you know, for basically things that you didn't need to at that point, right? But the reason is because they want to comply.

And, you know, the pharmaceutical industry and those around them are smart about this. They don't just come in and say, well, you're a man, for everybody in the whole country. No, first they start with the preschoolers, then elementary school,

then middle school, then high school, then college mandates, then nurses, then all medical thresholds, then preschool teachers. And the scope and the circles kept going wider and wider

during COVID, no doubt, the hope was that those mandates were going to come and stay because that's a great platform on which to launch a product. It's just good business. It's good business. If I'm sitting there and I say,

hey, we got a product. We got to sell it to a market. I got a great way to get to market, which is mandated. What's that going to cost us? Well, lobbying dollars this much. This is what it would cost us to have an advertiser complaint to persuade people. This is what it would cost us to lobby to get it mandated.

Mandating is probably going to be cheaper. And I think that's the road. A lot of these companies have gone down. And so this is very disruptive to their business model, I think. And it's disruptive also to the zealots, I will call them, who are, when it comes to vaccines. I mean, like some of these reporters, my goodness, like at the New York Times, for example, they just, they appear incapable of objectively. They cannot objectively look at these products. They just have these beliefs and they're so entrenched in them.

They just can't look at it. A vaccine injured child is not, for some reason, just cannot be. the same as an adult injured by infectious disease in their eyes. They simply cannot see it. And it's so clear to me they can't see it. One is just an accepted casualty of war. It's just, you know, we have to accept it and the parents just have to live with it. And no matter how much chronic disease, no matter how much suffering these products

cause, you should accept it. Whereas we cannot accept a single child injured by any infectious disease ever, ever. Ever. If they're no, if they can't engage in that process objectively, they shouldn't be engaged in journalism. And that same problem exists with people across this country who are making decisions, unfortunately. So we have to fight against that too every day. Well, you are bringing that fight and they are drawing these fights out. West Virginia has taken years. We've been years now in California, other states, as you said, over, you know, 90, maybe, you know,

100 cases all going. I want to thank you for all the work that you've done. I did get some time. It's been been so busy, but it's great to take some time off and just really think about the things that I'm thankful for. And I have to say, Aaron, I'm thankful that I found you, that I can, and we were able to come together and do this work. You're the best there is, and I know how hard you're working, and I know it's just getting harder and harder. And I want to thank you for your courage and your passion and the work that you're doing. And I want to congratulate you for yet another win this week in polling off this injunction. And we look forward to the final nail on that coffin so that we can really have a religious exemption back in West Virginia.

And we can focus on the other four states. But there's no one like you. Just keep up the good work. And I see you've got that great team. It's fun to see some new lawyers getting some press there on your team, just dynamic individuals. It's very exciting. Well, there's probably, well, Those are very kind of words. I'm very honored to do the work that I get to do. And we've probably got about 50 people at our firm that do work related to I can. Sometimes it's more in a given month. But for your audience, I would like to add one point about rights.

And I think it's important. And it's that the time to be most cautious and careful about one's rights is actually when you've secured that. Because when it seems like you have vanquished the other side, so to speak, and you have fully secured your rights, that's actually when they're gathering the forces on the other side. Just like you gather forces, and we gather forces, so to speak, when our rights are taken away from us, right, to go and fight,

when they're not getting what they want, so to speak, when they're losing these cases, when exemptions are being extorted, when the right to choose now exists, it's easy to get complacence in those times. But it's precisely when you have, it feels like you have totally won, That is the moment to be most guarded about your rights.

Rights are never won and lost. They are in a constant eternal battle against those that want to take it away from you. You never win the war. You just have to fight. And I had a young attorney asked me at the firm. When we win this thing, I say, you don't win this thing. You never win. I say, when I'm long and gone, you keep fighting.

All right? That's what needs to happen. Because there is always going to be those who come to take away your rights. You just got to constantly push back. and this right, the right to bottle the autonomy when it comes to medical intervention, the right to say no is a true fundamental right. We've talked about it many times, and we've constantly got to be fighting back against the government and those forces that want to take that right away.

So there'll never be a nail in the coffin, but there'll be a lot of, you know, it's like the pendulum. We might be able to get it so far down. The other side seems like they're dead, but, you know, never underestimate the Phoenix rise. All right. Aaron, keep up the good work. I want you to get back to that work. I appreciate you taking the time today. Thank you for all that you do. Once again, congratulations. And I can't wait to hear as you make progress in the other states. We won't talk about them, as we said, until we start seeing the wins we're looking for there. Here it is. We have the five holdout states. We're freeing the five West Virginia, we believe, is going to go down any day now. And we will finally see that be gold. But remember, we've fought them off in Hawaii. There's other states that have tried to, you know, eliminate exemption. So, you know, this, you know, this Hydra wants to grow other heads.

Aaron, appreciate it, and we'll see you soon. Keep up the great work. Thank you, God. So look, I just want to say to you, honestly, you know, as Aaron said, this work never ends. It never ends for me. You know, there's always the considerations you're thinking about, you know, what's next. I want to be really clear. We have had some really incredible wins in this movement, which I I am so excited about. But Robert Kennedy Jr., even, as HHS Secretary, really does not affect these mandates. These mandates are state-driven mandates, as we're watching.

A governor brought a, you know, said, I'm going to have a religious exemption, and now he's fighting in his own state. So we are fighting at the state level. We want at the state level of Mississippi. There's nothing in the world Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to do about mandates in states. That's what we're here for. And this bite hasn't ended. and I'll be honest with you. As you were seeing, they're getting smart on the other side.

I'm going to take a risk here because I know they watch our show. I know they're trying to see, well, do we ever see DEL Sweat? I have to be honest with you right now. Do you see how long it's taking West Virginia? It shouldn't be taking that long. They're funding every way they can, school boards, wherever they can to try and fight us. AAP is getting involved. They're fighting in the other states that we're in.

These things are getting drawn out and they are expensive. And I will tell you, I know we've all had a good. great summer break and we're really excited about Robert Kennedy Jr. But I actually need your help. We are going to be making decisions over the next week or two. Can we take on any more cases? Can we insure our bet in California, in Maine, in the other places we're looking at? Or do we just have to hold where we're at and hope for the best and stick with what we're doing right now? I don't want to hold back. But look, we've had so much success, most of people to retire right now. I mean, we could, I sat there in a can't say, well, we could, you know, hang up our hat and say mission accomplished.

We did more than most of any other group I've ever seen. Or do we want to take this all the way of finish line? Do we want to see that entire map goal? Do you want to see the state that you're in if you are under threat? If you're hearing them talking about taking away your exemption because you have one right now, who is going to fight for you? Who is fighting for you right now? We are. And, you know, it's getting tight in here.

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that we can do to make our lives better, to make us healthier, and ways we can help our friends get on that track to health, which is so important. FAB Mancini is one of the most inspiring people in that space. He's been, you know, as I said, doing the Maha thing before there even was a maha. No one shares that positive vibe better and better information. This is FABMansini. Let's give a warm welcome to Dr. Fabrizio Mancini. Dr. Fabrizio Mancini. Welcome to Dr. Fab. by Dr. Fab Mancini, a healthy living expert.

I'm here with chiropractor, Dr. Fabrizio Miancini. He's an internationally acclaimed inspirational speaker. He's an author. He's an educator. He's a philanthropist. And he's the president of Parker University in Dallas, Texas. I became a chiropractor by profession. Then I studied acupuncture.

Then I started studying all the healing arts, energy medicine, nutrition. And I started understanding that there was so much to the story that I was never told in school. Over 90% of our chronic illnesses have be preventable. I wanted to be in the space that I could teach people how to change their mindset towards health and begin to choose every single day of their lives so they can have better health tomorrow. Our bodies are self-healing and self-regulating. So that means that we're already

born to heal naturally. Ultimately, the only person in 38 years that I've been in this space that can actually heal is the person itself. I don't want people to think that just because I'm getting older, I'm going to be feeling worse. I mean, right now I'm going to be 60 this year, and I am healthier in every aspect than even I was in my early 20s. But that's a conscious decision that I make every day. As long as you have life, you have hope. And as long as you make good choices today, you can look forward to tomorrow and give yourself permission to realize you're here with us. Make it count. Well, Fab's got a great new book, Self-Health, Great concept and he joins me now fab it's really great to have you here i can't believe self-health

was available like that's genius first of all um i love this book we'll get into it i love how simple you've always been so good at just bringing things down to just the essential nuts and bolts but just tell me just why write a book right now why did you decide you've written so many books how does someone like you decide you know what we need a new book you know you know you need a new book you know It's interesting because I had a brand new book coming out in January on personal development. I saw during the pandemic people having a very difficult time pivoting and getting back to their normal lives. But then when I saw that RFK got selected as HHS secretary, I felt like I needed to put my energy, my 38 years of experience into a book that would allow to empower the individual to realize that when he hears, they hear, reversing chronic disease, I want them to know that this is possible. It's 90% of the cost of the

United States healthcare system. We might as well do something about it. But then I realized that the one person that can really move the needle faster than anyone is the individual themselves. So that's my gift to them to realize this is how I can do it every single day. You know, that was one of the things, you know, as I was working with Robert Kennedy Jr., is this idea of making America healthy again. And the hard part is, you know, really when we would have Maha events, you were at a couple of them. You know, you'd look across the room and I was like, these are mostly gorgeous, healthy people, are on the latest, you know, diet trend and, you know, getting into biohacking. You know, it's like a room full of biohackers.

But how do we get to those friends of ours, right? Those people that aren't reading the same books. And that's what I really think you've achieved here. is it's entertaining, but it's really easy to understand. And as much as what, I mean, for me, you know, I'm, you know, I'm one of those people, and I think we're like, I'm between two or three different diet concepts. That one worked this time, that one, but now I'm using all of them. They don't work together.

There was something about the book that getting back to simplicity, it reminded me of a golf swing. I think I was saying this backstage. Sometimes when your game's just gone all to hell. And sometimes I just think, you know what, forget about all the lessons and all of the things. I just say to myself, it's a soap on a rope, and I just got to get that thing to hit the ball. And there was something about that here, like things you could do on a daily basis. Just today, make this slight adjustment that was so tangible. It was a great reminder for me, but I thought, my God, this is such a non-invasive book to give to our friends that are just starting to wake up,

Don't want to be told that they're unhealthy or that they're a mess or that this is some long journey Want something that they can just do today to feel good and I think you really achieved that Well, I think that when we see this that this is getting so alarming Especially when we see our children so sick over 40% of our children have a chronic disease Now chronic diseases like heart disease cancer arthritis diabetes Immune disorders you name it there are things that most people, the average person, doesn't really understand.

They evaluate their bodies based on their symptoms, right? And if they have a symptom today, they're going to say, what can I do today to try to alleviate this symptom? But for years, I've been in this, I mean, in fact, I was going to be a medical doctor, and I was introduced to preventative medicine, natural health sciences, chiropractic acupuncture.

And at that time, I realized this was even before wellness, that the key to health is that the choice of being healthy or not is a choice of the individual. And if I can teach you a lifestyle that can allow you to be healthier, then we can prevent the majority, according to the science, of these conditions. But most people in the early days were thinking, oh, genetics is the one that is going to determine. If my grandparents and my parents had the disease, I'm going to develop that disease. And I never subscribed to that because I saw so many people get well by making simple changes in their life. And they don't take a lot of changes.

But what I notice is that when you make one positive change in your life, it leads to another positive change and another positive change. And that's all I'm hoping and praying that they will get out of this book, that they realize that every choice I make today will either feed disease and get me closer to chronic disease or it's going to go the opposite direction. And it's going to make me healthier. What I'd like to is, you know, there's sort of simple chapter as every chapter ends with for the next 30 days, here's week one, week two. So these little challenges, just up your game, then add this. But each chapter sort of stands on its own. You could just flip through and like one was on metabolic health.

This is a term I'm hearing a lot in the biohacking world, metabolics. What does that actually mean? I think we hear these things and it sounds like you read it on a label. like, oh, let me buy it, I guess, you know, metabolism. But why is there so much focus on it and how do we do? Like when you say it's about self-health, how do I affect my own metabolic health? And that's a very good question. The reason that I did a whole chapter of metabolism is that according to science,

over 85% of the chronic diseases somehow are associated with your metabolic function. But most people don't understand what metabolism is. It's really the function of the body. It's how the body functions. So if you want to regulate your hormones, your metabolism is what allows that to happen. If you want to decrease cognitive decline and you want to be focused and you want to have the ability

to remember metabolism plays a strong function there. If you want to have a gut that is healthy and your digestive system working perfectly, without your metabolism working in good standing, that will never happen. And so I wanted them to understand that this is something that they need to pay attention to. And the way that I describe it to people is just getting tuned with your body. If you're eating something today that they not make you feel good,

then maybe consider changing that tomorrow and not repeat the same thing. But I find that most people, because they are somehow enamored with a food that they enjoy, maybe emotionally gives them satisfaction, maybe it makes them feel good, whatever the case may be, I want them to understand that if they don't feel good about it and they keep repeating it, that's your metabolic function being decayed slowly to the point that leads to chronic disease, and all of a sudden now your body is broken. One of the things, too, that's coming up a lot, which I find interesting, is I used to only hear insulin in terms of diabetes. I was just like, well, if you're a diabetic, you've got to think about this thing, insulin.

I've spoken to many diet experts now, and they're making us all focus on this idea of insulin. Why? Why are we, why was that always just a diabetes thing, but now it's really about our own personal health? Well, we have to understand that insulin is a hormone that regulates the sugar in the body. So that hormone is very critical because sugars is how the body breaks down to create energy and many of the positive functions of the body. So the way I look at insulin is actually like a traffic light.

If my traffic light is working well, I can manage the traffic very well. But if all of the sudden I overwhelm it and then it goes out, then you're going to have a traffic jam. So that leads to pre-diabetes. Well, first of all, type 1 diabetes, which means your gallbladder now is going to say, hey, I'm going to stop producing insulin, right, which is a natural process because we got way too many. sugars in the body. And then you got type 2 diabetes, which is already been shown to be reversed, right? And the majority of Americans have it, which is unfortunately. And now we see that one out of three children, according to the CDC, has developed pre-diabetes. You know, so we need

to understand that we have to take control of that traffic light, first and foremost. And the way we do that is by managing the sugar intake into our diets. Because the more sugar that we put into our diets, the less that the body will function naturally, and that will create this diabetes type 1, diabetes type 2, and more importantly, this pre-diabetes that now we're seeing in early childhood, which will lead to more chronic diseases in the future. Yeah, it causes all sorts of inflammation,

and it leads to, meaning not even appears diabetes, so many other issues down the road, as you said, the chronic disease epidemic, which Robert Kennedy Jr. I've been talking about it. I want to talk about one of the chapters that I thought is why you're so good at what you do. You make it palatable was alcohol. I think that the big, I mean, you know, I'll be the first one to say, I like a glass of wine with a friend out of dinner. I actually, you know, I was a waiter for 20 years that taught me to really get into where is it grown?

How does it made? How long was it an oak barrels? So, you know, there's a sense there. And every time you read in a health book, it's like it makes it your enemy. I really appreciated how you handled that conversation, which is, this isn't your enemy, but why don't you make it an experience

that you don't do every day, pick the amount of days that you're going to sort of say it. And then when you do it, there's things you can do. What was your recommendation of just while you're drinking, just make it a more healthy experience? Well, when I started looking at the statistics of how much alcohol really cost us in the healthcare system and us personally.

On a personal level, for me, I grew up with an alcoholic father. So I saw the determines more from an emotional perspective and the ability of my dad not being able to connect with us as a family and not being able to work effectively, right? So that was one component. But then when I started looking at the literature and the new science, I started recognizing

that WHO said that over three million deaths happened because of alcohol related issues, right? So then I started saying, okay, but alcohol is a social component of society. So I don't want people to feel like they have to give up something that they enjoy. But then I came up with very simple rules, like in business we use the 80-20 rule, right?

20% of the activities that I do yield to 80% of my success. Well, why not do that with alcohol? Why not drink 20% of the opportunities that you have of drinking, but at least put 80% where you're going to drink maybe water or club soda. If you find yourself in a pottery and a social gathering, you can always put cranberry juice and a soda and a lemon,

and it looks just like the best cocktail. But also remember now we have what is called mocktails. And I love it because you've got people with these sexy drinks and everybody's like, what is that? And they just say, the name of the drink, nobody asks how much alcohol is in there or whatever. So you can still feel like you can be social. But for me also, I feel like the less alcohol that we have, the more that we can be healthier long term.

Everybody's looking for longevity. Well, this is one of the sources that I found can actually keep you from truly not only getting older, but enjoying the quality of your life as you get older. That leads to my next question, which is, is there a difference between longevity and quality? You know, I'm not, I'll say like I go to longevity conferences, I don't need to live to be 120 years old. I want to enjoy my life. I don't want to avoid every food on the planet, but I want to be healthy as I possibly can in the years that I'm here. Is there a difference? Is there two different roles you play, one that's like the long-term journey or one that's like best case, be as healthy as you can while you're in it?

Well, I find that longevity has become extremely popular the last 15 years, and it's one of the most Google board surgery. which I found pretty interesting. And whenever this was coming into the space, and I trained a lot of doctors, and they were asking me questions about how much should I put longevity into my practice? And I realized, well, you gotta put a lot of it because that's what the public is demanding.

So for me, it was never about how long am I gonna live. You know, you got the blue zones around the world that everybody's talking about, what are their behaviors, and that led to new diets and new things like cold plungers, just right showing the benefits of that. But for me, it's about quality of life. Because if you make good decisions today and you make your quality of today better than yesterday, you're going to live longer no matter what. Because it can't help it. Your body's going to be healthier. You're going to be able to regenerate faster. And that's one of the main things that this new field in medicine

called regenerative medicine has really opened up a new world to realize that degeneration is the reason why we get older, why we have wrinkles, why our hair changes color, why we curve down. That's why our bones get brittle. But there's a whole world called regeneration. Regenerative medicine says, well, if you use lifestyle behaviors like more sleep, better food, more movement, all of these things have been associated to allow and use to live longer and have a higher quality of life. So in science, we use the word telomeres, you know. And everybody's saying, oh, you know, our telomeres, they're like the encaps of our chromosomes. So what that means is that our genetic makeup is protected by these encaps, because as we get older, they get smaller, and then they get brittle at the end. And then our expression is actually weaker. But then, think of it like your shoelaces. You know how we have that little plastic at the end? That's exactly what they are.

They protect our chromosomes in order to live a longer life. but also protect our genetic expression so then we can be as healthy as we can be that particular day. Fantastic. One of the biggest issues that you brought up is children. How we're raising our children? How do we? I mean, it seems like everywhere they turn, there's just more garbage. There's toxins everywhere. What is your sort of message to parents? Because it can just be so daunting. It's hard enough to handle your own health. And then to also be like, you know, my kid, I'm not even with them when they're in the school.

So what's your message to parents on? Well, I pay attention because the statistics are alarming. And when you look at the numbers, you realize that we've never had a generation of children that is as sick as this one. In fact, they have said, statistics have shown that this generation of children will have a shorter lifespan than our generation. So I see parents burying their kids every single day, every single week. That is inconceivable to think that you're not going to outlive your children. but it happens every day. So all I'm saying is encouraging the parents

to take a little bit more responsibility to pay attention to what they prepare for breakfast, right? Instead of all these sugary, fruit juices, sugar-loaded, cereals, all of the things that the kids want because of the commercials, right? Why not make them an egg or an omelet? Why not bring them into the kitchen and say, hey, let's cut an avocado together? Why not cut some fruit and create a fruit plate

before they go to school? In the book I wrote about the parent health mirror concept, and that is that children and parents should look at themselves as the mirror reflection of their children. So whatever the parents will say or do is pretty much what your children will do. So if you pay attention to your behavior, how well and how healthy are you living your life? Are you focusing on health conscious behavior, attitude, verbiased? when you talk to your children, are you making sure that your daily routines, like exercise, right? Are you going out there and exercising and maybe inviting your kids to go for a walk?

I talk about how important walking is today. You don't need an expensive gym membership, because if you walk about 7,000 to 10,000 steps a day, you can actually not only increase longevity, but more importantly, reduce chronic disease by a great deal, just by simply walking. So make health a family affair, so you have an opportunity to break the cycle

and hopefully allow those kids to have a longer lifespan that we have instead of the opposite, which is what's currently right now in American households. My last question for you, which you deal so beautifully in this book, though, is talking about how so many of us want to get back

on the road to health, right? I want to start that diet. I want to, you know, and it just always feels like, too busy tomorrow tomorrow I'm going to do it after this weekend is over after the wedding after the birthday party and no I'm going to you know you've dealt with all sides of this the mental health side of it what is the biggest obstacle for most people that gets in the way of they're really taking that step to start moving in the right direction you know it's interesting

as a doctor we'll get trained on cellular health right so we look at the body from a cell perspective. As an individual, if I make a selective choice today to have an own healthy meal, I don't think it's going to matter that much. So I'll do it again tonight and I'll do it again tomorrow and I'll say, well, I'll get back to that diet. I'll start doing this tomorrow. I'll get in the gym instead of being intentional to realize that every choice is either driving you towards chronic disease or driving you away from it. And my main message to them is to pay attention to your choices and make sure that you live like if you have a 24-hour cycle. Don't wait until tomorrow to do what you need to do today.

So at the end of the day, you can go to sleep and say, you know what? I feel good that I didn't have any carbs today. I feel good that I didn't overload my body with sugar. I feel good that I slept an extra two hours. I feel good that I worked out today, even if I do jumping jacks or push-ups, something minor, right, or I went from a bicycle right? I feel good about that. And then once you go to sleep,

then the next morning when you wake up, do it again and do that 24-hour cycle. In the book, I use the 30-day challenges because most studies show that you have to do something daily for at least 21 days to 30 days to make it a habit. So the 30-day challenge is really to push somebody as to what is the latest science say that this is the mindset and behaviors every single week.

and I give you only three or four, as you know, very simple. Yeah. That if you do this week one and then you do this week two, and then you do this week three, and then you do this week four, by the end of the month, hopefully you have built a habit. And you will do it again and again. And I did that after every chapter because I really want this book to be action and not necessarily just thought process.

Most people know that they can be healthier. Most people know what they have to do to be healthier. They just don't do it. because they think it doesn't matter that they have another year. Right now, the latest statistics show that over 76% of Americans were personally bankrupt because of a health issue. This is bankrupting families across America. It is important.

It matters. It is my passion. It should be their passion. Fab, I love you. Thank you for writing this book. Thank you for being such a great sounding board for me for all these years. really appreciate it. We're going to hold you for off the record because one of of the things you're great at too is talking about finance and business. And I think so many of us

are struggling. How do we take that next step in business? So I want to have a little bit of conversation about like maybe how we can just sort of, you know, get our businesses cranking to. But hey, everybody, this really is a great book, especially. You may think you've got it all. You've got it all happening. This is a great reminder. What I love is it's one of those books that has maybe it takes three to five minutes to read a chapter. And then you could literally just say, I'm just going to remind myself of that chapter for the next 30 days and just take these little steps to make a difference. But it's really great for your friends and family members that are looking to get in. You're just not going to find a more pleasant way to start making

shifts in your life that really will, you know, I think start them on a path that is going to be fantastic. So love this book. Get out there. Grab it for your friends. great gift self-health I'm gonna see you and off the record and for anyone that doesn't know what off the record is this is our gift to those of you that are donating to help us win the most important lawsuits that this country has ever seen take a look at this it's time to go off the record the show exclusively for our donors all right we're rolling here we go I want to thank you for just sticking around a little bit we call this off the record this is what we couldn't

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Well, I just want to thank my team that's been amazing. Not only did Jeffrey Jackson, everybody, do such a great job of holding down the fort here and putting on some really brilliant shows while I was on vacation. I really, if you were paying attention, those of you that were, I just spent the last three years trying to change the political system and get an open voice into the most powerful health position in the world in Robert Kennedy, Jr. This team, this show, I Can, took on such a burden to help give me that space that I could do both things at the same time. But I was really worn out.

I'll be honest with you by the time I went on vacation, I said them, I really needed some time off. I need to get clear. I got to figure out where I'm going. I hope every one of you out there has an opportunity. to do that. I know we have those moments in our life where we're just eventually just can't see straight. You're not making good choices. And instead of getting that eagle eye perspective of and everything, you're just in the trenches covered in mud. You feel like bullets are flying past you on a constant basis. It's really important to get away. And I just want to say, you know, in that time of getting away and meditating and being in nature, being with my kids, being with my family, there's always the question, right? Which is Am I done? Have I achieved the goal? Am I done here? Or is there more to do? I mean, that was certainly, I can say that the experiences I've had, you know, I'll probably write a book about it, but it is the things people write books about great accomplishments. But I really sat and asked myself, you know, is this enough? Do we stop here? Do we let someone else? Is there someone else that can pick up this mantle and take it? But as I started climbing out of that canyon and making our way up those witchbacks in the blazing heat, the sun, and up the side of the Grand Canyon, and all its enormous immensity, I just really felt like there is more work to do.

Very, very important work, and we are not done here. Every day right now as we speak, as a good friend of mine pointed out to me, no matter how good we think we've done, And today people are going to their pediatrician. They're being injected with products that have never been tested for safety. Products that we know are increasing the chronic disease burden are leading children to neurological disorders, including autism. Yes, I am going to say that. Their parents are doing what they think is right. The doctors that are injecting them, many of them think they're doing what is right.

This narrative, there is work to be done, lawsuits to be won, and laws to be changed. And until we live in a place where you are celebrated for whatever choice you make, whether you're going to live a totally holistic life, but a free life, until freedom really does reign in this country, especially when it comes to body autonomy, then we are not done. It is not time to go to sleep. Take a break. Yes, take a vacation, definitely.

But I need you to put on your armor. I've decided to put mine back on. We're going back in. This battle isn't over. In fact, we're doubling down. I don't care that they're making these lawsuits take forever. I know I have you. You're supporting us.

You're saying to Aaron, Siri, and me, stay in there, stay in the fight. Start that next lawsuit in California. Start those lawsuits. I know it's what we have to do because we're having so much success doing it. I don't want to stop. I'm not ready to stop. And I need you. I need you to be passionate and in it to win it with me.

So I'm doubling down here. I'm pushing it all in the middle. We are pot committed. We're all in here at the high wire. I hope you'll stay with us. If you haven't joined us, I hope you join us. I hope you decide to recognize that this may be the most important time in human history, that this generation alive right now that has the funding and the ability to make changes to push laws,

to support lawsuits, that we did it, that we did our job, that we could, proudly say to our children, and they'll say to their grandchildren and our great-grandchildren, there was a great people, just like our founding fathers that saw the cause, saw the mission, and didn't care how exhausting it was, recognized for this day were born. This is our time. This is our moment. Enjoy it. Love it. We're in it together. I'll see you next week.