The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 445: COUNTDOWN TO ‘AN INCONVENIENT STUDY’

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

As we countdown to the world premiere of ‘An Inconvenient Study’ at the Malibu Film Festival (Oct 12), Del talks with festival founder David Katz and comedian Jimmy Dore, moderator of the post-film Q&A; Jefferey Jaxen exposes a new study shaking the “settled science” climate narrative and the next front in the fight against toxic food additives; Dr. Elizabeth Mumper (MAPS) shares powerful insights on treating autism, vaccine injury, and chronic disease.Join the movement at AnInconvenientStudy.com.Guests: David Katz, Jimmy Dore, Elizabeth Mumper, MD, FAAPBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. Well, we've got a lot going on here at ICANN, the high wire, of course, an inconvenient study. This incredible film that we've been working very hard at is going to premiere this. weekend. Malibu Film Festival will be at 11 a.m. If you haven't gotten your tickets here anywhere in the California area, you should definitely make that happen now. Those tickets are going quickly and they're about to run out. But also, more importantly, at 5 p.m. on the same day,

this Sunday, 5 p.m., we are going to begin streaming this film live for free around the world, which means you get to be a distribution company and share this with everyone you know. I really think this is important. You know, I've been reflecting. There was a moment when I made Vax, when I was producing Vaxed, and, you know, we'd been accepted by the Tribeca Film Festival. And, you know, I've been reflecting back on how, what a life-changing moment that was for me. And I'll never forget the film was announced that it was going to be in the Tribeca Film Festival. And I remember, you know, saying to my wife, I think it was maybe a Thursday evening or maybe Friday morning. And I said, you know, honey, I think that my,

life is potentially going to change forever. This may be the last weekend that the dull big tree that I've been and the work that I've done is the person that we know. I don't know what's about to happen to my life, but it feels like it's going to be different. And I said, so why don't we take the weekend, let's grab our son, let's hop in a car, let's just go up, at that time we're in LA,

let's just go up to Palm Springs and get a hotel and just enjoy some people. and some quiet and just revel in the moment of who we were before all of this breaks loose. We made it about an hour and a half on that drive before I got a call from ABC News that said, we've seen the announcement, we want to talk about it on ABC News. Can we have a film crew interview you? I was like, oh, well, I'm heading up to Palm Desert. I can do it, you know, maybe on Monday.

And I said, no, we'll send a crew there. In many ways, that interview ended up going viral, especially after we got kicked out of the Tribeca Film Festival, all the things that I said there. And as I had sort of predicted, my life has never been the same since. This week feels like that to me. This film and this moment, though we have done amazing things,

we've had amazing victories and giant lawsuit wins. This is something so many people have been asking for for decades. Can we just compare vaccinated children to unvaccinated children and look at the health outcomes and just let what modern science can do? Can we evaluate that? That's at the heart of an inconvenient study. This is a powerful movie. It's an important movie.

And I think that it's going to help people understand this conversation about so many of us asking questions about the safety of vaccines. It's hard to talk about. This film is so clear. It is so, you know, available for people that I think it's going to be a real game changer. And look, you never know when you're going to be. be a game change. I don't know how this is it going to turn out. I know what my life looks like on the other side. Maybe it's the same. We're certainly in a different climate. We've got Robert Kennedy Jr. as HHS secretary, what we're realizing that is a movement as people that believe in

something, that believe in themselves together, we actually do move needles. We do move mountains. We do change political systems. It's such an exciting time. And I don't think this film could be coming at a better time. So I'm so excited. We're going to be talking about it all throughout the show. I got Dr. Elizabeth Mumper coming up. I mean, this is a pediatrician that has been outspoken as soon as she started seeing issues with the vaccine program. She's even been involved in other vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies. You're going to ask her about that. Well, you know, what do these studies mean? How are we supposed to look at these things? But really, I just want to sort of also celebrate the Malibu Film Festival for having their courage to take a film like

this on. There's a reason Vax got kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival. They, probably would have kicked this film out too, but we're going to be talking to David Katz. It's ahead of the Melbourne Film Festival. And I'm also really excited right now to talk to a guy that I'm not sure ever thought that he would be a game changer. Of course, he was made a game changer in the middle of COVID. He was a comedian, just living his life like many people were. And suddenly something didn't make sense. He started looking into. He started joking about it, talking about it when no one else would. Of course, I'm talking about Jimmy Dorr. is going to be the MC on the panel right after the screening at the Malibu Film Festival.

If you haven't checked him out, man, he's a firebrand. He's telling the truth. And I think he's the only one that is this brave in the middle of Hollywood. Take a look at this. The great Jimmy Door. Is Jimmy Door, the political commentator, podcaster, and host of the Jimmy Door show. He's the host of the Jimmy Door Show, and we're happy to have him. You know, you are the only person who made me laugh during the dark times of the pandemic.

You know, before COVID, doing your own research used to be called reading. Now you're shaming me for reading? At the behest of big pharma? The reason why I still talk about COVID is because it's the biggest story of my life. And also, it's going to happen again. I was shocked at the people who I expected to stand up against this didn't. People were being fired by the hundreds of thousands across the country for not taking an experimental medical treatment or they couldn't go to work or they couldn't go to college.

The weird thing that happened around COVID, I'd never noticed this before in any other time of my life, but you weren't allowed to ask questions at any point during this. You just had to do what the man on the TV said, but if you question it, then you're a white supremacist Trumper not. They're like, whoa, no, no. No, I didn't vote for Trump.

I just have questions. People are like, why did you, you trust the government? No, I don't trust the government. You trust Big Pharma? No, I don't trust Big Pharma. I trusted my doctor. And people started to come on me, like call me anti-vax. I'm like, no, I got the Vax.

I'm not, I got it. I go, when people have a reaction to an experimental vaccine that is not FDA-approved, you're supposed to not suppress the reactions. You're supposed to ask people what the reactions are so we can make the vaccines better. I realized what was happening. They're going to try to get me the platform so they can have all these articles about Jimmy Doors spreading misinformation. None of it was ever misinformation.

It was all information. Again, you don't get in trouble for telling you. for lying, you get in trouble for telling the truth. Well, it's my honor and pleasure to be joined now by the unbelievably brilliant and hysterical Jimmy Doar. Jimmy, you're going to be emceeing, you know, the panel after our screening at the Malibu Film Festival. So first of all, why would you take on a task like that?

Because I'm a pushover, I guess. No, I think it's important. films like this need to be made and people need to get the word out. I couldn't believe, you know, this movie is about this Henry Ford study. And it's amazing that people who are in our space, people who cover vaccines for a living, don't know about this study. I was talking to Dr. John Campbell, who's a brilliant guy who's done some great work on COVID. And I use his work all the time on my show to show people the problems with the COVID.

COVID-19 backs and the problems with all the, all the things about COVID, the lockdowns, the masks, everything. And he didn't know about this study. So it's really important that we get this message out. And so people can, you know, I know people who are also in this space, who are also very bright and intelligent and, you know, anti-establishment. And they still get their kids vaccinated. Yeah.

I know a guy who had a baby. And I said, you're not going to get them, get them the hepatitis B vaccine, right? And he said, well, that's the first one they give them. Like he already had given it to him. I said, you already gave your baby that. I said, why? He goes, well, it's the first one they give them. Like, that's not an answer.

No, it's not an answer. So it's really important. I think that, I mean, it's just amazing and really important that people see this film. People get this message about the only real study done on this. what it actually shows. You know, I had challenged Dr. Marcus Zervos, who's the author on the study all the way back in 2016. Why don't you do a Vax versus unvaccinated study

to prove us wrong? He did that study. But our agreement was just, I know you're doing this study, essentially proved me wrong, but whatever it is, whatever the results publish it, he agreed. And now they're not publishing it. Of course, that's the whole debate we're having with Henry Ford.

But I'm curious, Jimmy, you know, you know, I've watched you and your brilliant work throughout COVID. Is COVID the first time you questioned vaccines at all, or were you already sort of leading that direction because you became such a major voice of reason throughout COVID against this vaccine? But was that your first time? Was it just that vaccine just seems so insane that it woke you up? Or were you already on this conversation? No, I was completely hoodwinked by the propaganda for pro-vaccine propaganda. I thought RFK was, you know, crazy. Like, everybody says on big pharma funded corporate news.

And I never questioned vaccines. I thought, you know, that vaccines were fantastic and that we needed them. And then I got the COVID-19 vaccine and I got vaccine injured. And then I looked into it. I hadn't looked into it prior to that. I just didn't know that you were supposed to question vaccines. And so I looked into it and I realized, oh, my God, not only they're lying to me about masks, They're lying to me about lockdowns.

They're lying to me about herd immunity. They're lying to me about natural immunity. They're lying to me about the funding of the creation of the virus. They're lying about where the virus. They're calling me a racist for accurately saying where the virus came from. Not only they were lying about all that stuff, but they were also lying about the vaccine, like 100%. And the vaccine that I got wasn't the vaccine that they actually studied.

The one that went through the study, they did a whole new formulation, a whole new manufacturing process, which then led to more infectious deal. you know your DNA being corrupted and adulterated and so i have i'm still you know people like to say that cov it's over oh you still talk people say that to me they're all you're still talking about covid as if it's over you know it takes at least 10 years to figure out what all the negative side effects are or all the effects of a vaccine a new an experimental medical treatment which is

a vaccine it takes that's out of the mouth fouchy says well something could look good and when when you started with the vaccine and then 10, 12 years later, you're like, oh, my God, what have I done? And so that's, we don't know. We're not even halfway through. So I've got my vaccine four years ago in March and April of 2021, both doses of Moderna. And so we're only four years out on that now. So we've got at least another six years to go and find out all the negative things

are going to happen to me. And so I've had lots of side effects. And so, no, I didn't think to question anything. and now what's the craziest thing to me, Del, is that, you know, people who used to protest against GMOs in our food became the biggest narrative enforcers for Big Pharma. It was the weirdest thing, you know, like Neil Young. Neil Young is to do concerts and protests against GMOs, and then he became, I'm taking my stuff off of Spotify because Joe Rogan's telling the truth about Ibramectin. And by all the way, all those people went back to Spotify. They're all phonies.

And so now the finally the left, my whole life, the left has said big pharma is a criminal cartel. They're liars, they're drug pushers. They'll sell you poison if they can make a profit off it, which is all true. And then it's finally there's somebody in the position, you know, there's a revolving door with the FDA and the CDC with big, big pharma. So that which is a big problem. And then we finally get a guy who doesn't want to go to work for big pharma, a guy who's actually made a whole life suing big chema. companies and big corporations, someone who big farmers actually afraid of, I'm talking about RFK, we finally have a guy in a regulatory position to actually do something and be a guy.

And everybody on the left finds themselves repeating Big Farmer propaganda about RFK Jr. It's the most amazing thing. I mean, it's an absolute, you know, and I know you're as mystified as I am by, I don't know if you call it brainwashing or what we call it, but, you know, I come from Hollywood, too. I grew up in Boulder, Colorado. I was a progressive liberal, you know, all of these things. And when you think about what you're saying, Robert Kennedy Jr. is the most successful environmental attorney in history.

He's cleaned up more waterways, more air, more pollution. I mean, he used to be a darling of the Democratic Party. Only one problem, as you said, he went after pharma. But they would have been fine with that. It was just this one product they make as though there's this wing of every drug company that's filled with angels. that aren't like the rest of what they do, you know what I mean, that makes this product that no one can ask a question about. It's just absolutely mind-boggling.

But for you, Jimmy, obviously, you know, you're on this. And it is, you're right. We're only halfway into it. And I would argue when we think about MR&A technology and the fact that in the trials, they were concerned about germline transfer, they were concerned about pregnancy and fertility, I would argue we may have to look at the next generation of children born. to these people before we really know everything that possibly went wrong with this vaccine. But you've done so much detailed work on that. It is also, though, hard for people that start

with COVID to then take a look at the childhood vaccine schedule. At the beginning, it was like, well, we had one crazy vaccine, but we don't want to touch the childhood schedule, obviously by the fact that you're emceeing this incredibly important story about comparing children that have received the vaccines that haven't. Where did that? journey turned for you when did you start thinking you know what maybe i have to look at the childhood vaccine schedule too well well i i watch your show and uh i read a i read a blog a substack a midwestern doctor oh yeah he's great uh done and and you know really great investigative you know uh it's called you know the forgotten side of medicine i think is the sub

title to his blog and it's uh so it's all this these studies and all this stuff that is been suppressed and he goes all the way back to the smallpox vaccine and he shows you all the propaganda that we've been fed about that so yeah so that's what made made me turn it was so when i found out the enormity of the lies around covid in the enormity of the lies around the covid 19 vaccine i was oh i couldn't really wrap my mind eroded so i can see why most of my friends in hollywood refused to because their brains just can't comprehend the the enormity of the lie that they were told. And so, but once I was able to kind of wrap my brain around that and internalize that, I was, I was ready for it. I, of course, they're lying. Of course. And then, of course,

it's the one thing, it's like, they get, they have, they get immunity from lawsuits. It's the only product in the world, in the history of the world that has immunity from lawsuits if you hurt and injure someone. And if it's so safe and effective, why do you need to have that kind of shield and protection? They don't have it for any other drug, right? Barlow. Barlow. said like oh people will lie and say they got uh you know when they get in a car accident they'll say it's from the vaccine well they can say they got in a car accident and say it's because of a drug you sell but you don't get immunity from a drug you sell nobody gets immunity from prosecution over ambian or uh celebrax or uh fenn or any other thing nobody you guys don't have it so you

could get sued over any other drug so this is all bs and garbage and so when i saw that i'm when i When I started to read that, watch your show, and I was like, oh, we, of course they're lying. Of course, this is a big criminal conspiracy. Of course, they don't have any safety testing. Of course they didn't test it against placevos. Of course, they didn't test it against to see how it is when you give it in clumps together instead of spacing. Of course, they lied 100%. And, of course, the reason why Big Pharma advertises on television and corporate news is not because they're actually want to sell you the drug that they're advertising.

is because they want to have control over the medium. They want to have control over those networks. They want to have control over those newspapers. And that's exactly what they have, 100%. Well, Jimmy, my entire audience right now is like, sing it, Jimmy, sing it. You know, I'm about to come out to L.A. I'll be honest, I ran from that place right before COVID, just in the nick of time. As you know, you know, I worked at CBS.

So many of my friends just are still, when I go to L.A., I find in some ways it's like the zombie apocalypse. It still doesn't seem to be sinking in, but you live there. I mean, so as we're going to be at the DGA Theater, which is so exciting, the belly of the beast in Hollywood for the Malibu Film Festival. I'm so excited about that. But how do you do it? I mean, you've been so outspoken.

You know, half of Hollywood that woke up to this issue came to Austin. They live here, and we all sit at dinners saying we were whispering at dinner tables in restaurants about what we thought and what we felt and finally we can be free. How you handling it? I mean, everywhere you walk, everyone knows what you think in L.A. Are you having a hard time? You still have friends? Lost most of my friends.

Not a joke. Most of them came out in public and smeared me and slandered me. And I'm like, well, first of all, let's say I am wrong. Why can't we disagree? Why can't you bring me on your show? A lot of these people have podcasts. bring me on your show and then let's have the conversation and confront me but they immediately jump to you have to be a bad faith actor because they've been programmed that way by the man on

the television i've seen comedians uh talk about uh well i just look check in with the guy in the television once a once a week to find out what i'm supposed to think about covid those are comedians so i i was always proud to be a member of the comedy community and then uh during because we always push back against the establishment we never we always poke holes in the status quo. That's our job. We're the court jester. We're the ones that are allowed. And except when it came to COVID, comedians turned into salespeople for big farmer. They were mouthpieces for the establishment. And they shamed people who questioned authority. Now, if you're a comedian, you're not supposed to shame people for questioning authority. You're

supposed to shame people for following authority without questioning it. And if you're not doing that, you're not a comedian. You might as well go be a car salesman or a vaccine salesman because that's what they are it's it's not so i've made a lot of i've made new friends and it's funny the people who can contact me in hollywood and it's like yeah you know i got i've i had a very famous i'm not going to say her name very famous about a female comedian i came off stage one night at a comedy club in hollywood and i was doing all my jokes about the covid vaccine and when i come out i'm off she comes over and she goes yeah i got shingles after in my eye after the covid vaccine but she didn't want to tell anybody i had another community to tell me they had a heart

problems. So a lot of people, they talk to me like in the shadows. Because it's very powerful to be ostracized, right? That's something that's in our brain. We don't want to be ostracized from the group. And they know how to use that against you. And so people don't speak up. Well, I spoke up because I have a show and I got vaccine injured. And I was just stunned to see people who I've known for 30 years, 35 years, completely turn on me. Like they didn't call me up and go, hey, Jimmy, some people did. I had a few people, comedians call me and go, hey, Jimmy, what's this? I hear about your taking Ivermectin,

is it? Ibramectin, isn't that horse paste? And then I would explain to them that it's a Nobel Prize winning human medicine and that it's spent, they were looking at it to cure cancer before COVID. They called it a wonder drug. It's less toxic than Tylenol and blah. And then when I explained it to them, they were like, oh, I didn't know any of that. And then, but most of the people didn't. Most people didn't call me.

They just went right on social media and started slandering me. It was a shock to me. I thought that people, you know, respected me more than that, but apparently not. And who knows? Maybe it's a combination of jealousy and the social pressure. And they wanted to take me down and it didn't work, didn't take me down. And boy, they were never really my friends anyway. And it's been replaced with really good friends, friendships that are based on mutual respect

and stuff like that. That's how you're supposed to have, you know, and respect for humanity. and respect for, you know, being a real comedian and questioning authority. Always, always question authority. Not, you know, I just had a conversation with a comedian on my show, who I like. John Fuglesing was on my show. And, you know, he was talking about how he was just repeating the propaganda about, well, 3,000 people a day were having a 9-11 every day.

And of course, they don't know. They don't know that the deaths from COVID were overrepresented. They don't know that Bill Gates himself admitted that, yeah, well, COVID actually turns out has a really low death rate. And it's pretty much like the flu, but a bit different. It affects mostly. That's a direct quote from Bill Gates. They don't know any of this stuff. So you can't hold them, you can't hold it against them.

But it's just, it's funny to me that people went along with the censorship. They went along. So right now, people are upset about the. comedians going to perform in Saudi Arabia. And they're like, but you guys didn't care about if they perform in the United States when we had censorship here, when we were forcing medical treatment, experimental medical treatments on people, the government was death didn't bought. Like what's worth to force people to take an experimental medical treatment or they can't go to work and support their family or they can't go to school or they can't go to college or they can't

travel or they can't even go have a burrito and people just try to brush it off. It's shocking to me. Well, look, I want you to hold on to that passion that you have there and bottle it up. I'm looking forward to seeing you out there in L.A. We're talking about the fact that we can't have this conversation. We're talking about studies like this have difficulty being published. Doctors that dare to even do a study comparing vaccinated, unvaccinated, end up having their careers destroyed, you know, and so that culture is what this film is really about. I'm really looking forward to talking with you about it on this panel right after the Malibu Film Festival. So I want to thank you for joining us today and taking the time to join us on Sunday.

I think this movie is going to be groundbreaking once again. It's very important. I want to thank you for being a part of helping us get it out there to the public. My pleasure. All right, Jimmy. I'll see you Sunday. Take care. And for those of you that maybe are just tuning in for the first time,

here is the trailer for an inconvenient study that both premieres at the Malibu Film Festival. If you're in L.A. or near L.A. or think you can get to L.A. and you want tickets, you better buy them quick. They're selling out fast. We've just been told they're going really quickly. Just go to Malibu Film Festival.com. And you can use the discount code. Just type in ICAN. I can when you're checking out to get 10% off. You can buy a ticket just for the show. An inconvenient study. You don't have to buy the whole festival if you don't want to. But, you know, even if you can't make it to L.A., California, hop. Hollywood. You can watch it at home because later that evening, we will be streaming live for free forever from an Inconvenient Study.com. Tell everyone you know, let's make it a party. It starts at 5 p.m. Pacific Time, the live premiere event online. So we're really looking forward to it. Here's an inconvenience study. The health of American children is in crisis. When we're talking about an autoimmune disease crisis, shouldn't we look closest at the one product designed to alter our immune system for life.

There'd be one easy study to rule it out, compare vaccinated children to unvaccinated children. As fate would have it, Delmet, Marcuservos. He agreed to do the study. This could be one of the most valuable studies in the field. 4.47 times the amount of speech disorders. Learning issues, developmental delays. Over four times more likely to have an asthma diagnosis.

Five and a half times risk amongst the unvaccinated group, They were zero. If this is true, we are systematically making kids sick, very sick. Only one problem. They're not going to publish it. They left us with no choice. I'm going to bring hidden cameras so that no matter what happens at this dinner, I can prove it happened. What do you think about the study you guys have done?

I think it's a good study. The way they can do the study better? Not that I'm... I put it out just out days. It's a right thing to do, but I just don't want to. Somebody's going to come back and they're going to say the study is flawed. The unpublished Henry Ford analysis is fundamentally flawed. Because there's a political agenda to me.

I'm not going to do it. Publishing something like that, might as well retire, be finished. Sick. It's really sick. I mean, I'm obviously like really original. This is an inconvenient study for the entire vaccine agenda. Well, there's obviously all sorts of energy around this. In many ways, you hear the term movie math. Movie magic happens when people do outrageous things, when they come together and make a moment happen.

Some of the magic that happened here, look, after getting kicked out of the Tribeca Film Festival back with Vax, says, like, let's not even bother. I want to get this film out there. So we've just been at a breakneck pace trying to get the story out as soon as Ron Johnson said, I'm going to show the world this study. We're like, well, we better get on this. So it's been an amazing job here by my team. I can, the high wire, all of it coming together to make this happen. But then there was a post we saw that really changed the trajectory of this.

I mean, you want to talk about magic. How about waking up one morning and you read this? Malibu Film Festival at Del Big Tree, Malibu Film Festival, established in 1997, would like to host the L.A. premiere of an inconvenience study on Sunday, October 12, at the Directors Guild Theater in Hollywood. Reply to info at malibufebifestival.com. I can't tell you how elated we were to see that and say, is this for real? Could this possibly be happening? Well, behind that tweet, that post is the founder of the Malibu Film Festival, David Katz, and he joins me now.

David, what inspired you to send that post out? What did you see, you know, what was the thinking there? Well, Adele, it's great to be here with you, and it was in pursuit of the truth and spreading the truth to the rest of the world, especially here in Hollywood. Yeah, well, as I just said with Jimmy Dore, I mean, Hollywood's tough. You've been there. I spent years there, worked at CBS. Tell me, you know, a little bit about the Malibu Film Festival. Why did you start?

There's lots of festivals out there. What really made you say, I want to do this my way? What does that mean? Well, back in 1997, I directed a short film called You Ain't Nothing in this town about a shopping cart. starring my grandfather Izzy. And we submitted it to the Sundance Film Festival and somehow was overlooked. So we started the Malibu Film Festival.

And 26 years later, we're going strong. That's fantastic. What is it that, you know, what types of films do you look for? What is it that you want to achieve with the Malibu Film Festival? Well, the Malibu Film Festival selects films that are unique by emerging filmmakers,

really good strong storytelling, really good technical capabilities. And then we're looking for stories that are groundbreaking, that are telling the truth, that are exposing what's really going on. You know, there's three sides to every story, his side, her side, and the right side. And now at the Film Festival wants everybody to hear all sides. So we want to open the conversation and have everybody join us and see, what the truth is about. I mean, you know, you're in media, so am I, you know, I love the time I had in Hollywood, but I reflect back on the culture of it. And, you know, when you see the censorship,

when you see the call for censorship by media, when you saw the support throughout COVID, which, you know, Jimmy was talking so much about, it was really upsetting that the artists, you know, as he said, the musicians, the filmmakers, the people that are supposed to stand up for free speech, how quickly they collapsed. I mean, what has that been like in your experience, amongst your friends, amongst those other creative people in Hollywood? How do you explain it? Well, I think that they're sheep, and it's run by the budget and the bottom line. And when all the advertising for the entertainment industry is going through the pharmaceutical companies, and they're dependent on that money, they're dependent on telling the...

story that that money agrees with um for us how it affected us directly uh the melalo film festival creative director and my better half was uh fired from her show for not taking an experimental whatever it was yeah and the uh the out the uh she lost her job after 28 seasons wow so So it is an ongoing thing where people don't want to accept what happened. And we're here to uphold the truth and scream from the mountaintops. So just tell me a little bit about the setting. What's the DGA theater like? What's this day's events going to be on Sunday?

What can people expect if they want to check out the whole festival? Well, the DGA theater is one of the preeminent screen facilities in Los Angeles. Angeles it has the highest quality projection system it has a beautiful theater and it's just an amazing venue for something like this it's again the heart of the beast and where we feel is the best place to showcase this film and we're just very excited that we have something that is this important what do we expect for the Malibu Film Festival the Malibu Film Festival We'll start off with this explosive film.

It'll be a sellout audience and standing room only. We'll have a day filled with amazing films, and it will be topped off with a celebratory awards and party that we've come to enjoy. And good conversation, good networking, and a good place to learn and be exposed to the truth. Well, we're looking forward to, of course, we're going to have a Q&A. You're putting together a panel right now as we speak. We've been looking at getting that done right, old guard, nude guard, all the people that can sort of reflect on what's really happening here, what this moment is about, and then a reception, which I'm looking forward to, you know, with some of the VIPs. But this is just going to be an extraordinary day.

And I just, I can't thank you enough, David. I've, you know, I've lost a lot of hope in Hollywood and in entertainment, you know, and it's, you know, and it's, you know, It feels like there's a resurgence. It feels like there's people like yourself that are getting back to the heart of what free speech means, a heart of expression, and whether we agree on things or not, it feels like everybody's voice should be heard. That diversity is what makes America great. And instead, we're just becoming this pasteurized society, you know, boiled and all of that's interesting is cooked out of us, blended together.

It's just really great to know that it's a festival with your courage that is willing to take on a, film like this and look it's a serious deal you know they've you know henry ford has sent a cease and desist letter uh to us about this film in the face of that you know you're still moving forward you know why what is what are your thoughts on just that on controversy uh do you get concerned or you know what are your thoughts about it well malibu film festival's culture is rebellious we're feral filmmakers we're in service to good storytelling entertainment and the truth. And yeah, in the last five years,

the world has changed. And with it, Malibu Film Festival has become a mirror, mirroring the creative and collective consciousness. And we're here to, you know, I would say, 26 years ago, we were honoring James Cameron for his amazing work. Now we've pivoted. Now we're honoring important filmmakers

that are telling the truth like Chris Armstrong and Del Big Tree. All right. Well, I appreciate it, David. I'm really looking forward to seeing you to be there in just a couple of days. It's going to be an extraordinary event. So I know you got a lot of planning. I know what it's like to throw something like this together. So we'll let you get back to it.

I'll see you out there on the red carpet. For everyone watching right now, look, you can go to mallebufimfestival.com and just get a ticket. But look, look, look what he's talking about. Why don't you check out the entire festival. sign up for the whole festival, watch the films all day, and then see us at the award ceremony at the end. We'll see how we fare there. Either way, it's going to be a blast. David, thank you for your time.

Thank you for your passion and your courage. It's really awesome, and it's good to know you, and it's good to know you're part of our community. We're just here to be part of your history, and we're proud of what you're doing, spreading the truth. All right, great. We'll do that together on Sunday. I'll see you there. Take care. All right, men.

All right, look, we're going to keep seeing it throughout the show. Yes, if you're anywhere in the area around Los Angeles, you're going to, it's a beautiful theater. And, you know, this is going to be rare. We do know. And by the way, if you go to an inconvenience study.com, there are ways that you can reach out to us if you want to have a screening in your area. We are getting requests like that throughout the country. I'm going to try to get to some of those and do some Q&As. So if you can put that together, but sometimes theaters like this need a very special file. so that it can be at the high definition that this theater is going to deliver. We will do our best to make that happen so you can sign up there. But definitely, if you want to have the theater experience with 600 other people and be the first ones to ever see this movie, we really, and by the way, David is running blind here. He still hasn't seen it because we're still in an editing bay last I checked, getting vinyl details on this film as we speak. It's down to the wire.

I wouldn't have it any other way. getting our last page strokes onto this. But more important than just the Malibu Festival is what is happening Sunday, which is an international release. If you're in Australia, share it with everyone you know. If you're in England, share it with everyone you know. All of our friends in Ireland.

You know how many people are watching us in India? Share it with everyone you know. It is time to make this a global hit across the world. People have been asking, can we see a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study? This is the history of those studies. It also talks about placebo. Ebo studies. Everyone that sees this film is going to learn why we are in the situation we're in

and why it is so critical that we make the changes that are necessary right now to protect our children. This film gets deep into why we have the sickest nation of children in the industrialized world and the sickest generation of children we've ever seen. We are working together to stop. That's a huge part of what the high wire does. Informed Consent Action Network. Our mission statement dedicated to eradicating man-made disease. You want to eradicate some man-made disease? Help us share this film, an inconvenient study with everyone you know. All right, let's get on with the show.

So much to talk about. I got Liz Mumper, Dr. Liz Mumper, right around the corner, to talk about the history of these studies when they've been done, what people say, how important this is, and her own journey in this conversation. But first, it's time for The Jackson Report. Jeffrey, it's really good to see you. You know, we're pumped up this week. There's a lot going on.

I mean, I was just saying, you know, as we're having our meeting as we do before every show, every time I think, well, there's going to be no topping that moment. It's going to be no topping that show. It's going to be no topping this moment. There's going to be no topping that legal, you know, victory. And yet, it just keeps falling into our lap. The opportunities to make a difference, to make change.

It's just really exciting. this is one of those weeks. I can't wait to see how this all unfolds. But besides what's happening on Sunday in this film, what's happening in the world right now? Oh, well, Del, we got some breaking news. And I don't know, the best way to message us was maybe say, Pope blesses Ice Cube. And we're not talking about Ice Cube, the hip-hop artists. We're not talking about the Catholic Church getting into rap. We're talking about the actual Pope and a block of ice. Take a look. All right.

I would now like to invite you to stand for the blessing of the waters. Pope Francis emphasized that the most effective solutions will not come from individual efforts alone, but above all, from major political decisions on the national and international levels. Everyone in society, through non-governmental organizations and advocacy groups, must put pressure on governments to develop and implement more rigorous regulations, procedures, and controls. Citizens need to take an active role in political decision-making at national, regional, and local levels. Only then will it be possible to mitigate the damage done to the environment. Wow, I didn't realize popes were into more rigorous regulations, procedures, and controls delivered by NGOs.

What was up with the block bites? What is that? Well, it's from Greenland. It's a piece of Arctic ice. And I mean, unless they floated it there on sea currents, it probably took either jet fuel or fuel from a ship to bring it here. So there's the carbon footprint. So there's a little hypocrisy there. But like you said, NGO. So basically we need to make governments control us more because the WEF says so. We should listen to the WEF. And so you can see the headline here. So the Pope's saying we must come together to fight climate change. And this is a big conversation that we always. have here. And unfortunately for the Catholic Church and the Pope at this moment, a study just came out that they must have missed as he was blessing that that melting block of ice. And this is the study right here talking about Arctic sea ice. And it says the recent slowing of Arctic sea ice, the melt is tied to multi-decadal N-AO variability. That's North Atlantic oscillation. So that's a part of a weather phenomenon that we know exists. It's cycles. These cycles multi-decal over decades,

Up and down they flow. It affects atmospheric pressure, affects weather, affects storm systems. And it says in this study concerning this Arctic sea ice that we're really concerned about, as we should be, this study utilizes three observational sea ice data sets, reveals a recent slowdown in September Arctic sea ice melting over the last decade. This slowdown is closely related to the decadal variation, again cycles, of the summer NEO, North Atlantic Oscillation. Specifically the shift of the NAA from the negative phase to a positive, phase after the early 2010s contributes to decrease Arctic air temperature, so it's getting colder and decreased moisture, followed by an expansion of Arctic sea ice.

So again, you know, we bring almost every week now, we're bringing studies here that's showing unsettled science. We've been told it's been settled for the climate conversation, but that's not what these researchers are saying looking at these data sets. And that brings us to this conversation. Environmentalism, the settled science that's been pushed down and we need to be. control, says the Pope, we need to, our governments to control us more. That's environmentalism, but conservationism is actually looking at what we do have and how not to screw it, screw it up as

humans. And that brings us to the next story here just to show the different positions of these optics. This is Lake Michigan. This is a headline here. Millions are at risk after cancer-causing forever chemicals are detected in America's largest water supply. These are the Great Lakes around Michigan. It says three states in the Great Lakes regions have issued, do not e-alert for local wildlife and fish after tests revealed that animals were laced with alarming levels of per and polyfluor alcohol substance. There's a PAFAS. These are those forever chemicals, toxic chemicals, and are linked to thyroid problems and developmental issues.

But then it goes on to say in neighboring Minnesota, residents are also being advised to avoid eating fish caught in 10 counties, including one on the coast of Lake Superior, the largest of the Great Lakes, that's up in the northwest. after testing showed they contained high levels of PFS. But then it goes on to the article, the crack journalist here says, it's not clear what is causing contamination. We don't know, but experts say PFAS can seep from factories, landfills, wastewater plants and the streams, blah, blah, blah.

So we really don't know why pretty much all the great lakes are contaminated in the groundwater. It took about 10 seconds of research here, but you see you have the auto companies on the east coast of Michigan, but you also, especially by Lake Superior bordering that, Minnesota, you have 3M. This is a massive chemical company. And in 2023, here's one of the headlines here, PFAS in Minnesota, how forever chemicals

change the state of water. And then just four months ago, I guess the Daily Mail missed this, 3M agrees to 10.3 billion in PFAS settlement. There's been a lot of contamination from that company into the groundwater, into the animals and the birds. This is conservationism. This is how we protect our resources. The Great Lakes, the animals, they're not really concerned about a degree, temperature here or there.

They're not concerned about a block of ice. And I know climate change conversation people will say, well, this is the biggest picture, but we're looking at what's happening in our communities, in our environment, as we always have. And I want to go over now to New York. We'll stay kind of moving out to this East Coast here. Federal judge says New York overstepped in banning radioactive water disposal in Hudson River. Now remember Hudson River, waterkeepers. this is RFK Jr. did so much to clean up the Hudson River. But you look in this article now,

and this is the legacy, the Hudson River has always been this push pole with the pollution. It says a federal judge ruled in favor of a company that wants to dump 45,000 gallons of radioactive wastewater into the Hudson River as part of a controversial plan to dismantle the defunct Indian Point nuclear facility in Westchester County. So a couple things here. I mean, we're being sold on nuclear now because AI needs it, like it's the greatest thing in the world, but there's still there's still this problem of the wastewater. It's contaminated. It's radioactive. In this case, it's tritium. Tridium has a half-life of 12 years, which means it won't be radioactive at that point. But the conversation is we either hold it in a tank for 12 years while that half-life goes,

or we just dump it. And the federal judge says, you know what, go ahead, dump it, all good. You don't hear the Pope talking about this. I didn't hear the latest message, blessing the Hudson River, but this is the conversation. We have a lot of work to do still. As we're looking at climate change way out in the distance, we're looking at our communities are still dealing with pollution issues from, let's face it, big corporate polluters that have given a free ticket to do this for decades. By the corporate polluters that I would guess are probably at WEF meetings. Talk about how we've got to make the world green and we've got to lock people into smaller cities, 15-minute cities and, you know, put in solar and, you know, all the rest of it. Meanwhile, you know,

while we're all focused on some, you know, mythological ice problem, they're dumping poison right into our, you know, rivers, into our lakes. And this is, I'm glad you're doing this story back to back like this, because I really want people to understand, you know, we, you know, I'm an environmentalist. I mean, the way it used to mean, I like what you're saying, conservationist, which says, I want clean water, I want a clean food supply. We fight for it every day on this show. We want clean air. What I don't want, on as authoritarian government making up something back in the 1970s as a way to control people and then using that against us, which is why it's so important, right? They use fear tactics

and all these things to slowly take our freedoms away and our ability to congregate like they did during COVID. But this is so important. I can't believe a judge is allowed to have the responsibility to dump all of this, you know, nuclear waste into water. And I think about about, you know, when I traveled with Bobby, how much this is such a core part of who he is. He would talk about the commons, something that people don't think about, that the rivers are really ours. It's every man's. Whether you're rich or poor, he would say that the comms is supposed to be there for everybody, that you should be able to go down to fish. If you can't, you know, make enough to eat today, you should go to any river in your state and be able to fish

and sustain yourself. That was the idea that those are for the people. No, and when a corporation dumps into it. It's a tax on all of us. It attacks our freedoms. It tax what, you know, is our property as a community. It's really, I mean, I'm sure he's upset about this. I haven't talked to him about it, but he's done so much great work on the Hudson. What a step backwards in a state that, you know, claims to care about the environment and New York screams up and down about, you know, global warming. And meanwhile, they're just going to destroy their rivers and the food supply. It's incredible hypocrisy. We'll be keeping an eye on it.

And let's talk a bit about conversations or topics that are somewhat bedfellows, environment and health and the food we eat. And let's take a look at what Kennedy is doing in this administration and some of the recent moves. So one of these, this is at AP, and there's been a lot of video going around on this. Pfizer agrees to lower prescription drug costs for Medicaid and a deal with Trump. So just to break this down a little bit, Medicaid is this government program provides health insurance for adults and children with limited income and resources. Seventy-seven million people are

on this. So, you know, I'm split on this decision, but people, there are people, lots of people that need drugs. They're relying on these drugs. They're, they need them for life. And a lot of people become bankrupt because they can't afford these drugs. So 77 million people will have to, will not have to deal with this. And this conversation, this is headline behind this headline, they're basically, it's like the food conversation. They're telling Pfizer, and most likely other drug companies will follow suit. Just we need to pay the prices that other countries are paying, just like the food conversation.

Stop putting ingredients, allowing ingredients in our food that you don't allow in other countries. So it's just a kind of a fairness income there, a deal. And it brings down the cost of healthcare for everyone. I know there's videos out there showing Kennedy staring at Borla, who is in the White House, and I'll be the first one. I've been reporting on it for about a decade about Pfizer's criminality. But this is a move for the people. And so that's one of the spaces that I think is a positive thing. But let's move to, again, these are federal moves, big moves. But the state of, I just want to say because obviously we are not a, you know, drug funded, you know, we're not working for Pfizer. And a lot of what we do is talks about the harms of the pharmaceutical industry. But let's be clear. There are people whose lives are being saved by drugs every day. They want to make this clear, too. We recognize that. It has this time and this place. If you're ever, God forbid, in some sort of an accident or have.

a trauma that puts you in the ER, you're going to be really glad that the pharmaceutical industry develops the products that it does. But in this situation, I think the way to look at, because I've seen the debates in our movement and around this, but remember that President Trump is a president for the entire country, not just the people that voted for him. Same thing with Robert Kennedy Jr. He's HHS Secretary for everybody. I love this move because what it says is, look, however you're living your lives, we're here for you too. We're going to make this affordable for you. We're not going to let. you know, you know, carpet bagging go on here, you know, that you, you know, you deserve to pay the same price as our neighbors across the ocean, and we're going to make that happen.

And I think about every politician that's promised to make this happen and never did. And here with Robert Kennedy Jr., working with President Trump, it's finally happened. There's so many things I just think, we all thought that was impossible, you know, no one could do that. They've done like, you know, 50 impossible things already inside of this first year. It just shows you government actually can get things done. I think this is a great thing. And I think it's actually going to wake a lot of people up to Robert Kennedy Jr. saying, wait a minute, he's a pretty reasonable guy.

He's helped me out on something I didn't think he'd help me out on. I wonder what else I should look at what he's doing. I think it's a great play. I think it's a great move for America. As you pointed out, we all need the cost of our health care and insurance plans to go down. This is going to be a big part of that. Yeah. And again, that's at the federal level.

And really, some of the where the real movement and the dynamite is happening and can happen is at the state level. And we're seeing that in Florida. So Florida has something called the Cancer Innovation Fund. And this is one of the headlines here. They're going out on a limb and pushing this further than we've seen it in our lifetimes. Florida's Cancer Innovation Fund boosts high impact research, including ivermectin studies. So it says this three, the third year funding initiative, which brings the total investment to 140 million since the fund's inception will focus on high impact research with a particular

emphasis on nutrition practices per cancer prevention and treatment. So Florida, now understand. what that means. This is a massive, massive headline that snuck under the radar. Doctors have their career is destroyed for doing anything with cancer outside the cut poison and burn paradigm that we know, the chemotherapy, the surgery, or just the poison drugs that they use for that with low efficacy. And so Florida is saying, let's look at other things. Maybe things, as we've known through COVID, the COVID response, vitamin D, exercise. They don't have PR teams. So they're saying, let's look at fasting. Let's look at nutrition in helping with cancer or preventing cancer.

It's just huge, huge move. And the sky's the limit on this. So as a state, they'll have the backing and the resources and the legal cover. So federal government's not going to come raid their door. If they find something that maybe cures a certain type of cancer, they're going to put it out. And it's fast. It's high impact research, 12-month studies. They went out to the public as fast as possible.

So really great stuff they're doing over there. And let's move on to the food conversation because we'll end up with a this on this we have the ultra process push that's been happening we have the dyes out of the food and we know this whole thing we're swimming in really started with the monetary system i had a chance to interview matthew liceyak he's the author of fiat food i know he's on the show as well yeah he's part of the documentary here the great yeah it's amazing guy great american food revolution we have this documentary coming out in a couple weeks i believe i was finishing up on that as well and this is one of the things that we're going to be talking about. But this, when the value of the currency

is the base, the food ingredients also become cheapened and they have bulking products. Well, that's, the basing of the currency is still happening. And the bulking of the food products, these additives, just to give it substance is happening too because the cost of regular dry goods is becoming increasing for these companies. So they're just packing them. And that's this headline here. Food companies are quietly stuffing your meals with invisible additives, not on the label to make you pay more. So as we talk about with our audience, what do you do when you go to stores if you don't want these things in your food? Well, here's the shopping list. This is directly from the article here. It says, when shopping, check ingredients list for these additives, that bulk up products without

agnutrition. It says, look for carigenin. Look for xantham gum. Look for modified starches. Look for soy protein, isolate, sodium phosphate, cellulose. All of this stuff is in there, and it's just helping the companies to make the packages not smaller. So they have the package, they don't have to put more air in your chips, they can just bulk these up. But the problem gets to some of these things, they say they don't have nutritional value, okay, but some of them actually have negative efficacy when it comes to your nutrition and health. And this is kind of like ultra-processed food Maha 2.0. We're getting the dyes out, companies are complying, we have Walmart complying.

Let's go further as we can do this. So let's look at Kerrigine and that's that first thing on the list. This is kind of a gel-like structure that comes from algae. And a new study 2025 looking at the structure and the properties and the applications of Kerriginin with food, when it comes to food science, it says, Kerrigin has been associated with the activation of pro-inflammatory pathways. That's not good. You don't want inflammation in your body, such as the NFKB pathway, this is a cellular response pathway, through interactions with TLR4 receptors and alterations and

microphase activity leading to inflammation reaction, inflammatory reactions in the gut. Kerrigine may cause inflammation in the gut, especially in people who already have digestive issues. Not good at all. You do not want inflammation in the gut. I mean, think about that's where they found glyphosate was doing as well in so many other pharmaceutical drugs. Not a good thing. You don't want inflammation responses in your body from what you're eating. But then it talks about this. We talk about chronic illness, chronic disease, and how what we eat affects that or supercharges that. Kerrigan is becoming a target. This is a study from 2024 looking at the insulin resistance in humans. It's a double-blind randomized study, and it says this study provides

evidence that increased caraginin intake can disrupt intestinal barrier function in humans. Again, you do not want to screw with intestinal barriers. Although a short-term caregenean treatment did not impact whole body insulin sensitivity in young metabolically healthy participants, very small section of the country, by the way, interactions with BMI suggest effects of carotene and treatment on insulin sensitivity in those who have a higher BMI. It's about 40% of the population, by the way. The results warrant caution with care eating and containing foods, especially individuals who are prone to develop type 2 diabetes. So now we're adding another layer, type 2 diabetes. We go to the CDC's website. About 38 million people have diabetes, 1 in 10.

About 90 to 95 percent of those people are type 2 diabetes. So you have about 40 percent of the country with higher BMI. You have about 38 million Americans with diabetes, most of those type 2. There should be a warning. The study actually says caution is warranted. There should be a warning on caragin products for those people. Huge. And so that's just one, but we can go further on this because it's not just the caraginian. Again, this is like a next phase, the next layer of this ultra-processed food and these ingredients. One of these low-hanging fruits in this section is aspartame. This is a no-calorie artificial sweetener. It's been around since the early 80s.

The FDA gave it this greenlight approval under this grass, generally recognized it's safe, just throw it in the food, no problem. People think they're doing something good for their diet and their health. There's been a lot of studies around this. A new one just came out, association between consumption of low and no-calorie artificial sweeteners and cognitive decline. Now, it's not just aspartane, it's others like xylitol, a handful of others, but aspartane is leading this pack. And it, listen to this, it says, among participants aged younger than 60, consumption of combined LNCS, that's these low and no-calorie sweeteners, in the highest turdiles was associated with faster decline in verbal fluency and global cognition. Now, global cognition is not how well

you know global warming. That's how your brain works. That's your memory, your acquisition, your thought to speech. You don't want global cognition going down. And it does that, it says in this study, with these no calorie sweeteners. But then it concludes, these low to no calorie sweeteners were associated with an accelerated rate of cognitive decline during eight years of follow-up. Our findings suggesting possibility of long-term harm from LNCS consumption, particularly artificial ones and sugar alcohols on cognitive function. So again, let's look at aspartame. We have decades of science that point to the serious health risks of aspartame. U.S. Right to Know has kind of a laundry list. They put all the studies together over the decades on this. And you can look

through this article. It's kind of a masterclass diabetes, cancer, anxiety, mood issues, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer's. I mean, the list goes on and on with studies associating this with that. And even in 2023, the WHO came out and said, there's a possibility that this could be causing cancer. It's the cancer research arm of the WHO said that we found some studies that show that aspirate may cost cancer. What did our FDA do? Came out and said, no, all good. We approved it. We're going to stand by it. FDA says, so to sweeten your aspirin is safe. No problem at all. Now that was with the old kind of revolving door crew at the FDA. But we have a chance here to move this needle really far. We can eliminate aspartame. We can find different ingredients being caragina. We don't have to

have these little poison things in our food. But one of the things that we can do is not let the government overreach like they're doing in the UK. So how do we get this out? Regulatory movement, maybe some voluntary help from the companies to say, you know what, you're right, we've had to run with this. We're going to take it out. We'll do it with something a little more natural or organic. But the UK is going complete overreach in true fashion from their current government. Here's the headline. UK government cracks down on Coca-Cola refills. You only get one because sugary drinks are bad for you. So if you have a refill, best believe you're probably going to get a police knock on your door at two in the morning and you're going to have to account for that

and maybe pay a fine or something. I don't know what kind of jail term they're going to give to these people. But if there are rest of people for memes, I can only imagine what happens if you get a Coca-Cola refill. You don't want to get to that point. Remember when they tried to pass that soda tax up in New York and people just went bananas. But yeah, we don't want authoritarian government being the answer to our health problems. We need to take it to our own hands. It's why it's a really important segment. I love the fact. And I see this. Look, I see this people in our movement that there's something about diet that people think diet means it's not as bad as something else. actually it's worse. I think you'd be better off with sugar than with this stuff.

And so many people drinking it as though it takes off pounds. It doesn't do anything. And I remember on the doctors, we did all sorts of studies, you know, where when you eat something sweet, your body actually is looking for the calories when it doesn't get it. It causes cravings. Also, it's very interesting studies on all those things. So it doesn't even do what it's supposed to do, which is to sort of help people lose weight. But really important, right?

Our environment is being poisoned. We are being poisoned, you know, which is at the heart of, you know, we need to do things about it. There's a huge conversation. I want everyone, even though we're not covering right now, huge conversations about giving liability protection to these chemical companies that want to be allowed to spray pesticides and herbicides and have the same liability protection as vaccines. So this is what we do, Jeffrey. We tell people what's going on. We've got to be involved.

We've really got to recognize that it's we, the people, which is so important. This information is great, Jeffrey. Thank you for this investigation this week. Appreciate it. Thank you, Doug. All right, take care. I'll see you next. I'll see you just in a couple of days in Los Angeles to be amazing.

All right. Take care. All right. So the Detroit Free Press had this article this week. Henry Ford Health warns anti-vaccine group to stop using info from fatally flawed project. It's a heck of a headline. Let's read through the key points that they list from this article. there in the box. Henry Ford Health issued a cease and desist letter to a Texas-based anti-vaccine

nonprofit organization over claims it is spreading false, misleading, and defamatory statements. It goes on to say bullet two. The Detroit-based health system says allegations made in the informed consent action networks film an inconvenience study is spreading false information about invalidated vaccine research. And its last really important point, Henry Ford Health, state, the research was fatally flawed and did not qualify as a study due to major design problems. There it is. That's their perspective. This article goes on and on. You can read it. So look, this movie is obviously making a stir and nobody has ever even seen it yet. But if you really want to know what this is all about, you're going to have to watch the film and go ahead

and share it with everyone you know. Because last I checked, this is a free country and you have a right to form and share your own opinion. As for my opinion, that's based on a lot of things and a lot of investigations and a lot of interviews I've done here, but it's also based not the least of which was on the lead author of this study, Dr. Marcus Zervos, and what he said directly to me. Man, am I glad there was a camera that was there to capture it? Here's another trailer for an inconvenient study. We are now the sixth country in the world.

It is now believed that over 54% of our kids have a permanent chronic disease. Shouldn't we look closest at the one product designed to alter our immune system for life? There'd be one easy study to rule it out, the vaccinated versus unvaccinated study. As fate would have it, Del Met Marcuservos. He agreed to do a vaxed versus unvaxed study. Kids that are vaccinated, it doesn't look so good. 4.47 times the amount. Five and a half times risk.

Six times increase. Amongst the unvaccine group, there were zero. Like, if this is true, this is devastating. It needs to be published. This is information the public should have had in 2020, and I forced the issue. Do you see how Ford responded? They said this report was not published

because it did not meet the rigorous scientific standards we demand as a premier medical research institution. They have forced our hand. We're going to have to show them the footage. I'm going to bring hidden cameras and recording equipment so that no matter what happens at this dinner, I can prove it happened. What do you think about the study you guys have done?

I think it's a good study, but it does have limitations. Do you find any clause in the study? I mean, it's a way they can do the study better? Not that I'm going to put it out just how it is. I don't want to say it's not the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do, but I just don't want to. Somebody's going to come back and they're going to say, you know, the study was flawed. The unpublished Henry Ford analysis is fundamentally flawed.

How about looking at this is important scientific information that can inform how the proper study should be done, won't be taken like that. And then I can say, because there's a political agenda to it. Is what your study shows, is it important? Yeah, it is important. I'm just not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I can't get this study out. And what hope is there for every kid in the future?

I said to you, if you do this study, you're going to come under fire. You said, I don't care about that. I'm all about the data. And I'm about to retire anyway. That's literally what you said. Yeah. So your energy is definitely changed on that.

Energy is changing. Publishing something like that, might as well, retire, I'd be finished. This is an inconvenient study for the entire vaccine agenda. Well, it sure seems like articles coming out of Detroit and a cease and desist letter. Somebody does not want this film to be seen by the public. That's why we need you to remember that you are the movement that is changing the world.

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We wanted to be able to point to something so we could help our friends that are just starting to wake up. Man, if you have someone out there that's starting to go, you know, I'm starting to ask some questions. I'm starting to wonder if all these shots are necessary. I'm not sure I would trust my pediatrician anymore. This is a moment. We are waking up. This is really a moment that's going to keep the energy going with all that we've achieved. It's also going to help Robert Kennedy Jr. talk about these topics because more and more people are going to understand. Can you imagine if everyone in this country knows what it means when Robert Kennedy Jr. says,

and we're going to do some vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies, he goes, oh, everybody knows what that means because they saw an inconvenient study. This is really important. I can't wait for you to see the film. We're just showing you little clips. And something else we haven't shown. He was incredible interviews we did to make this happen just really quickly. Some of the people are going to see, we've got Surgeon General of Florida. Joseph Latipo is appearing in this film. Sylvia Fogles, he's an MD assistant psychiatrist, Massachusetts of Harvard Medical School. I mean, these are big heavy weights.

Of course, Dr. Paul Thomas, who you know did his own vaccinated versus unvaccinated study, which ultimately spelled the end of his career. He's going to talk about that. Peter McCullough, who's one of the champions right now. watched him wake up to this whole thing started with COVID. Now he's talking about the childhood vaccine program. Of course, none of this would be possible without Senator Ron Johnson. My hero, a man that is just relentless when it comes to getting the information out of the public. And of course, the lead counselor, ICANN, Siri, who did a great job talking about this

study when there was the Ron Johnson hearing, which is what made this study public and is why we are making this film. So, so many, you know, it takes a village, as they say. In fact, it's going to take the world. It's going to take you. I hope you will help us make this the biggest film that has ever been yet. I think that we can really make a difference here. So when it comes to you, imagine you go to medical school and you become a pediatrician. You care about children. You got taught that vaccinations is one of the greatest advancements in modern health. We really have turned a corner. We can, you know, protect people from nature and disease. What happens when that conversation starts falling apart on you? What do you do? Well, Dr. Liz Mumper is one of the most outspoken people on safety, on health. She's willing to have those conversations where so many other people have been afraid.

Check out. This is Dr. Elizabeth Mumper. Dr. Elizabeth Mumper, Senior Fellow of Pediatric Education with the Independent Medical Alliance. She's been around helping thousands and thousands of families. Just an amazing, amazing woman. amazing woman. I am the founder of the Remlin Center, which is a Center for Integrative Medicine that takes care of children with autism and other neurodevelopmental disabilities. I was teaching in a residency program, actually, in the late 90s when I started noticing so many kids with chronic

illness. So in 2000, I established a practice to help some of those kids that were falling through the cracks. We do have a number of kids that got treatment early that were predicted to have severe moderate to severe autism. And with very aggressive treatment, we've had some that have gone to kindergarten and the teachers and the schools never knew that they ever had autism. The assumption that vaccines being given so broadly to everyone

and given to little tiny babies are going to be so well tested that nobody could begin to question their safety or effectiveness. But when you actually look, at how the studies are done, it's disappointing. There seems to be a shift from this one-size-fits-all strategy of just following the schedule no matter what to actually look at individual risks.

I think there's a growing movement in this country in medical doctors, recognizing that we need the principles of functional and integrative medicine if we're ever going to stem the tide of chronic disease that is now crippling our society literally. Well, she's the author of this great book that's come out, Kids and COVID, costly mistakes that must never happen again. That's for sure. Dr. Elizabeth Mumford, thank you for joining me. Thank you, Adele. I'm delighted to be here.

It's really great to have you. There's so much we could talk about. This book deals with this insanity around COVID. We're still watching debates on the COVID vaccine for children, wondering, you know, and is it, are we going to finally just get rid of that vaccine? Dr. Marty McCarrie out there seems like he's really coming around, lots of focus on it. But I want to really start with because this week, this film that we're putting out is really about just vaccine injury in general. And, you know, this sort of just destruction of our children's health, which is the only way I could describe it. But what first made you focus on vaccine?

What was it that caught your eye? Well, after I spent about five years in a group practice doing general pediatrics, I took a job as director of pediatric education for a University of Virginia affiliated family practice residency. I love to teach medical education is really my thing. And around 1995, I started noticing that the patients we were taking care of had more ADHD, more neurodevelopmental problems. I started seeing kids with autism. When I went to medical school, autism was one in 5,000.

And all of a sudden, there were several in our practice. And the thing that- So I'm just right there, I mean, I'm just gonna stop you. They say, we're just diagnosing it better. What do you say to that? Did you, I mean, you were seeing an actual change, not because you suddenly knew how to name it or describe it. Is that right?

I absolutely think it is not over-diagnosis. There have been several studies that suggest that at least 79% of the increase, is real. If we had these people before, you know, Mark Blacksell calls it the hidden hoard hypothesis. Where are all the 80-year-olds that are, you know, drooling in the airports and not able to walk or talk? It's definitely a change. And I think we're getting some insights into how the environment has changed in a way that makes it very hard for our kids to keep up. Yeah. So you were doing this work. You're at the university. So then how did you

get into it. What was it about vaccines? You're seeing this increase in health issues, chronic health issues? Yeah, so I was trying to get the residency to take a look at that, and then I had the experience one day of doing a 15-month-old checkup on this beautiful African-American baby. I went through all the developmental milestones. He was absolutely fine. I gave him, as was the indication at the time, an MMR vaccine along with one other vaccine. And then I watched with horror because he developed this mushy, mashed potato-like, chronic yellow diarrhea and started losing his ability to talk. And I had just gone through the words that he knew.

And I want to make it clear, this was long before I ever met Andy Wakefield. I had no idea about the Lancet paper where he followed the evidence to where the parents had suspected that in your own and your own it's my own independent observation okay so I thought you know somebody needs to look into this uh Robert F Kennedy said the original one uh if not us who if not when now when yeah and so I told my husband I was going to like uproot this job that had a salary and benefits and I was going to start a solo practice and I was going to fight for you know finding out what was causing this. And surely when the government and the pediatricians understood what I had seen, they would rally around because, you know, pediatricians are nice people.

They go into it because they like kids. And I was very naive, and that really didn't happen. But in the year 2000, I established my own practice. It was a little unique because I had advocates for children, which was my general pediatric practice, where I tried to put but what I had learned from my autism patients into kind of preventative practices. So we were able to demonstrate by doing some of the things that I did that I had a much lower rate of autism prevalence in my own general peace practice.

In fact, at a time when the rate in the country was one in 50, I had one in 297. And I tell you, Del, the universe is a funny thing with a funny sense of humor, because I didn't have any when I started writing up the paper and when I was getting ready to turn in my paper I had my first kid with autism in a lot in you know that practice Wow. But was that kid not vaccinated at all or were there like you know that child had a hepatitis B vaccine at birth

which a study from South America has shown is associated with an increased risk of autism. I think it's 1.6 times you can look that up. Yeah, we have a There's the article. And by the way, everyone, we always give you all the articles after the show on Monday if you signed up their email. But go ahead. Yeah, so that was one risk factor for that child. And there are so many risk factors that I have identified just from clinical practice

that to me are really red flags that I want pediatricians to pay attention to. The prenatal history is really important. I hate that pregnant women get so many vaccines during pregnancy, you know. pregnancy is a time when your immune system is supposed to kind of ratchet down because you don't want to reject your baby. And yet we're giving vaccines. I don't mean, sometimes just because, you know, lay people, I'm one of them, that reject your baby. Your immune system shuts down because in some ways, I don't think we think about this. It's a foreign entity.

It's a foreign body inside of your body. You don't want your immune system getting afraid and starting to attack it saying there's some. something in here that shouldn't be here. So this natural thing happens where your immune system really quiets down a lot in a mother. And so you're saying, and that's something I've talked about, then you vaccinate them, which incites that immune system to kick into gear, right? That's correct. And in fact, many people with autoimmune disease say they love to be pregnant because their joints quit hurting and their autoimmune disease is better controlled. If they have autoimmune thyroiditis or lupus, something like that. Wow. So we mess with my

nature at our peril, I think, the way the child is born. You know, if he's born by C-section, he's going to be not getting that vaginal flora inoculation of his gut flora, that's gonna be a risk factor. You know, males are at higher risk. So take me through that. Like, I don't wanna raise through your books and this people can read the book,

but the vaginal flora contributes to the gut flora in the baby? Yes, and in fact, one of the things I advocate is what my men's, mentor, Dr. Sid Baker, called a perineal picnic, perineum is the part that the baby comes through. And if you're gonna have a C-section, you basically take a piece of gauze and get the mother's vaginal secretions

and then rub it all over the baby to try to simulate a vaginal birth. So that's a way you can get around if you have to have a C-section. I've never heard that before. Yeah. The issues about gut flora in infancy, you know, in the first thousand days of life,

I feel like my job as a pediatrician is to modulate that kid's immune system, to get them eating food that is wholesome and healthy and based on whole foods, to try to really promote breastfeeding because I'm so upset with the way that the formulas are made, because your immune system is directly influenced by the diversity of your gut flora.

And in fact, many studies, have shown that children with autism have much less diversity, much fewer different species of organisms compared to a neurotypical child. So I really think gut health is so important in the beginning. The more, you know, of course, you know, I've had Dr. Sabina Zahn on the show, super fascinating. I mean, more and more it does, you know,

I wonder if all health in some way does relate to our gut biome, There's just so much of it, our depression, whether we're depressed or not, you know, our mental health is there. And I, you know, every time I see another study come out, whether it's a rat study and your gut is affecting your emotional gut is developing, your brain development. I just think it should just always say Andy Wakefield was right. I mean, and he wasn't even the first, but that was the critical finding he had that this gut issue, these children are having that he's, you know, studied in that small study appears to be connected somehow to autism. That's all it was was there's a gut dysbiosis that when you see it, you can almost guess that there's autism or if they have autism, we're going to look and probably find this gut issue. They're connected, and instead that had to just be shut down. I mean, I think about, you know, when you think about science and medicine, how many years were lost that if science, when you came forward roughly in the same time, Andy there, if these doctors and scientists that saw it, we all read history books.

those science just dies and go, oh, you found a problem, let's look at it, let's analyze it, let's get on this. Instead, it's the opposite. It gets buried. We spend decades, if not a century, avoiding the investigation that could have led us to so many other different developments and understanding about the body and how we could be healthier. Yeah, well, with all due respect to Andy, it was probably Hippocrates that said disease first begins in the gut. And here's a little tasty tidbit for you. So I actually did a replication study of Andy's work in my little community and with a pathologist that was blinded to the status of the child, whether or not they had autism. We did endoscopies and found that we showed the same type of lymphoid nodular hyperplasia

and got inflammation that Dr. Wakefield had reported. Now you might say, well, what happened to that study? We collaborated with an entity in Europe that was going to work on some of the virology, and that was about the same time that Dr. Wakefield was going through his legal issues that led him to lose his license, and they quit answering our emails. So I had this data. I ended up sort of burying it in another paper just to get it out there, but it should have been reported.

Because that's the argument that's been made. His science can never be reproduced. Oh, we did reproduce it. Other people reproduced it too. I know, but you've heard that, right? I mean, I think that's the fraud. Like, oh, he's fraud. I know the fraud is everything around what he said.

It could be reproduced, was reproduced. So that takes your, so your career starts, you're a pediatrician, even before the 1986 Act. Is that right before we gave liability protection? 1984 was when I started in a practice, yeah. So we were hopeful about the 1986 act. You know, Barbara Loh Fisher, who's one of the heroines of this movement, spent so much time in Washington, and I think she was led to believe that this would really be a good thing,

that the process was supposed to be, you know, kind of painless, and that the awards would be generous because these kids' lives were so drastically affected. But it really turned out differently, as you and I both know. Yeah. I mean, so for people that are just tuning in, liability protection is established in the 1986 Vaccine Injury Injury Compensation Act. And ultimately, Barbara Lowe's hope was, look, there are these groups of kids. If we're going to have this vaccine program, then you've got to take care of because they're saying it's rare.

Well, if they're rare, take care of them. Pay for those families. Take, you know, and that was a vaccine court. So we won't run through a regular court system. Those parents can't afford it. They shouldn't have to pay to fight Pfizer when it is known that these are side effects. This is a real possibility. There can be an encephalitis.

The brain is going to swell in some babies. Those babies lives are going to be destroyed. We know there's a fact. So why force these parents to fight the pharmaceutical industry when they can't afford it? Why doesn't the government then just take care of them? It was all part of, you know, give liability protection, fine, you know, but take care of those kids that are being injured with a court that was. no fault, right? It's going to quickly go in, oh, you got injured by the vaccine, we recognize that. Here's the money to take care of that child and get them under the resources. Never happened that

way. Well, the other thing to remember is that the different pharmaceutical industries were threatening to leave because they were paying out so much money specifically, usually for the pertussis component of the wholesale vaccine that it wasn't profitable. They had to settle all these lawsuits so that's the genesis of the whole idea yeah amazing did you how did it change the practice then did you see a change then as the 86 act kicked in and we see i mean look we can point to as robert kennedy juniors put it i think as the EPA did a study something happened right in the late 1890s in early 1990s that we just see this skyrocketing rate of autoimmune and neurological disorders I mean, right there, it's kind of coming along,

but all of a sudden it just takes off. They can pinpoint it. It's within, I think, under 10 years. I think it's somewhere in seven or eight years. I've seen both 1989 and 1990 pointed to as the inflection point. And after the 1986 Act, a bunch of other companies got into the game because it's a good business plan. You know, you get to develop these products.

You've got a captive audience where, you know, most pediatricians in America are going to give them all. And then if something goes wrong, it's not like, you know, Pinto deciding to pay or not pay for the cars blowing up. Right. You know, you've already got that part covered. So we had the Veracella vaccine added to the schedule. We had the hip vaccine added to the schedule. Then came Hepatitis B.

One of the things that really upset me was when they decided to give MMRV, which is the measles, mumps, Rebella and Veracella at the same time. Because when I was medical director of the Autism Research Institute, we found out that in the Merck study in Portland, a bunch of mothers, mothers know, we ought to listen to them, found out that one of the kids in the study developed autism.

It was like number 68 kid. And Mark in its infinite wisdom, threw that kid out as an outlier and decided that there was no causal link. And so one of my practices over the years was never to give MMR and Veracela together. And in fact, once I read Dr. Wakefield's paper, I started giving M separately, M separately,

and R separately. And I like doing it that way, and I think I got better results. And so here we are, 20 years later, you know, President Trump is circling around and saying, that was a good idea after all. Yeah, it's amazing. Let's talk about that the time that we're in now,

you know, several things happening. The MMRV, it looks like they're going to pull the V off of the MMR. I'm so glad. Which is great news. And, you know, Paul often screaming bloody murder because there's discussions. Why don't we start asking these drug companies, why don't you start making single MMR on their own so that we can break these apart if you want, free country? I think the reason they're so upset is because they want you to think you just went in for one vaccine.

Right? They don't want you counting. wait a minute, how many am I doing here? You start breaking these apart, then you see, well, that's three different vaccines. We don't think about it like that. They want it in one shot. They want you to feel like you're,

well, I only got one shot. No, not true. They don't want you to see three shots. But right now, obviously, conversations about breaking apart vaccines, looking at hepatitis B looks like it may be on the chopping block at least to maybe 12 years old, which I think are all brilliant developments. But let's talk about Tylenol.

What do you think about Robert Kennedy Jr.'s really his first statement in dealing with this, he promised I'm going to look into autism. What did you think about the Tylenol? I thought that the press conference was great. I thought that Bobby did a great job, and I thought that Jay Bottacharya and Marty McCary and Dr. Oz did a great job. I don't want to leave the impression that acetaminopin is the only thing that's a trigger for autism because I tend to think of autisms with an S. We have these subtypes of kids.

It might be a mitochondrial kid or a gut kid or a methylation kid or a folate kid. But I totally agree with them. And this is not news to me. I quit recommending acetaminophen before after vaccines back in about 2003 or 2004. So just right there, it is recommended by pediatricians, right? If your baby has fussy or has any issue after the vaccination, take a child. I would say that's mostly routine, but many of pediatricians have not had the advantage I've had of being in so many think tanks where the science is presented. So there are three mechanisms that I think are really important for acetaminophen.

The first is in a pregnant woman, acetaminophen or Tylenol gets broken down to a metabolite or a breakdown product that actually crosses the placenta into the fetus and can cross into the brain and cause neurologic damage. So that's strike one. Second thing is, many children with autism have defects in their sulfur biochemistry. And a wonderful British scientist named Rosemary Waring published this like 25, 28 years ago. And we knew that they often have a defect in an enzyme called phenyl sulfurase, which is what helps you break down acetaminophen. It also helps you break down solacilates, which is why some of it. which is why some kids with autism do better with the Feingold diet.

And it also helps you break down preservatives that are being added to our food supply. So that's the second reason, I think it was a good idea. The third reason is that it is very clearly known that acetaminophen depletion. Glutothion, I hadn't thought about glutathione in years after medical school, but it's our cell's primary antioxidant. And it also is a gateway to detoxification. It helps our gut repair itself. It helps our mitochondria, which are the powerhouses of the cell.

And it helps balance our immune system, the infection fighting part versus the allergy autoimmunity part. And acetaminophen depletes glutathione by about 30 percent on top. So that's the problem for the baby when they get it is that their glutathione is going to be depleted. A pregnant woman already has a 30 percent. percent decrease in her glutathione. And so if she takes acetaminophen, she's going to be left with only 40 percent of this very crucial chemical component that keeps her out of oxidative stress, helps her energy levels in her body. So it makes so much sense to me. And I didn't see why so many doctors rushed to say we don't believe in this, but they did. I mean, even in the fact that we know it causes,

you know, liver and kidney issues, you know, and we've seen that for years. I reported on it in the doctors over a decade ago. You're right. This is old science. It just shows you, I think it's an example of how slow-moving the evolution of science is. You know, it just is, it digs its heels in. I think the pharmaceutical industry's pressures really have a huge effect. Of course, you see companies pushing back on this and trying to get their minions out there on the news

to, you know, push back. Just because I have you, you're one of the few people that's actually been involved in doing studies, especially, you know, looking at the vaccinated versus unvaccin. This comparative study. It's something I was just watching footage from Autism One back when we first released Vaxed in that audience. And the first question that happened to the panel I was on, you know, when we're talking about Vaxed was, you know, well, what about a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study? It's sort of like the holy grail of studies. In your mind, you know, how important is that study? Is that study actually have answers? Are we looking in the wrong place?

No, I think those studies are extremely important. And in fact, I did publish one. You won't see my name on the paper. It was published under Hooker and Miller back in 2020. I will tell you that Facebook labeled it false news and just threw up another study that was an epitone. epidemiologic study that says vaccines and autism no link. But we were looking at vaccination status

for a number of different conditions. And we found very statistically significant with P values of 0.001. So essentially one in 10,000 chance that it's wrong. Yeah. And we found that the vaccinated kids had more ear infections, that they had more developmental disabilities and that they had more asthma.

So ironically, I found a lot of same stuff that Henry Ford found recently. And the asthma in my practice showed that the risk was about four times as high. And it was worse in boys than girls. Del, I hate to tell you this, but in the first couple years of life, you know, baby boys really are a bit biologically inferior to the baby girls because they do worse in the pre-me units. they tend to have more autism, more asthma, more other chronic illnesses. And so we have to protect these boys, I think.

Yeah. So there are some months. So those numbers you're saying, you've looked at, you know, I don't want to get deep in it. But, you know, in your opinion, you've looked at the Henry Ford study once Senator Johnson put it out. Have you had a chance to look at it? Yeah, I read it yesterday on the plane. Yeah. Some of those values you're talking about are very similar.

Like I think the Henry Ford's data shows four times the rate of asthma. Yours is similar. It's very similar. And the thing that is sometimes difficult with a Vaxed-on-Vax study is that there are some conditions you cannot calculate the risk ratios for because you don't see them in the unvaccinated kids. And that happened with the Henry Ford study. Yeah. It happened with our study because we didn't have any kids with autism.

If you have a zero, there's no. a way to get a calculation. Right. So I think that the message needs to. So you might have been lucky back in that way back when you got that one child with autism in your group because at least you could get a number out of that, right? At least I could report it. Right, right.

Anyway, back to, you know. But there are a lot of problems with looking retrospectively. Right, which is what this is. And, you know, I totally understand that. You know, we actually were going to do a process. perspective 18-year study, we had actually raised a million dollars to try to do that so that we could be very careful to collect all the data like breastfeeding status and socioeconomic status and try to take care of what's always criticized as a confounder.

But our principal investigator lost his medical license for doing a previous Vax-on-Vax study and we weren't able to push that forward. But that would be a great thing to do. The obvious problem with that is that it takes 18 years to do it. How do you get around the ethical issue, which is at the heart of it? If you're going to have people not vaccinate, the study is technically putting them at risk? Is it not? Or are you going to find people that we're going to make that choice anyway?

Well, they are going to make that choice anyway, but our critics, our detractors would say there's something unique about those people. You know, they're all eating organic food and having their kids play in the grass and letting be around farm animals and they've got better immune systems and so you can't really compare the groups. But that whole ethical argument is based on the presumption that many people have that the original vaccine studies were done with placebo controlled trials, which they weren't. You know, you're typically comparing a new vaccine to an old vaccine.

And this idea of, you know, trying to save parents. from getting multiple injections. You know, in my practice, people were happy to come back for another visit so that they wouldn't get so many at once. So I think there are ways to offer it to people who would have refused it anyway and then try to do a really good job

of separating out the differences between them. One of the differences is usually that those people are very highly educated. You know, they have PhDs, MDs, and college degrees. I'm talking about the ones that aren't vaccinated. The ones that aren't vaccinated. And I think that unfortunately, for the people with lower socioeconomic status and lower levels of education, they are often getting their health care from the public health department in their city.

And those nurses are not at all open to the idea of, you know, spacing out vaccines, only doing one or two shots at a time. So, you know, there are those subcategories of differences that I think we could parse out with the science that we have now and come up with valuable information. Well, I'm gonna have you, I think you're gonna be on the panel in LA for community right after the film.

I love having you there because you have just this broad reference point to every side of this, you know, at the heart of it, It just feels like, and we saw this during COVID, I've had so many people sit in that seat, whether it's, you know, Peter McCullough and Pierre Corey and all this sides, Ryan Cole, all these guys, Paul Merrick, that just really are dead, like it's looking scary for science right now.

Science only works if we can throw our ideas out freely, bat them back and forth. And it's almost like a sport. You serve it up, hit it back, I don't think this, how about that? You poke holes in it? Is it a big enough hole? Should we throw the whole thing out? I don't think so. I think there's something good here. Instead, this censorship is never putting it out to the public. And it's really, you know, at the heart of this story right here, an unpublished study. Should it have been published? Should it not?

Up for debate. But what is your philosophy? What should the philosophy of science be? If a lead investigator does a study, they feel like it's a good study. I mean, it can get turned down in the peer review process. Like let that be it. Let's say we put it forward. We put it to great scientists, and they decided when we never let it see the light of day, isn't there a danger there? I'm very worried about that because you may remember that John Ionidas, who's probably the best epidemiologist in the world, he's at Stanford,

says it about 50% of what we read in the medical literature is false. I don't know which 50% that is. The peer review process is supposed to help take care. care of that. But I think it's unethical to take a bunch of money from either the government or your university and do a project and then not publish the results, no matter what they show. Science is ever evolving. You know, we're getting closer and closer and closer to hitting the target, but nobody says you have to be right out of the gate. And the real value of science is when you test your hypothesis, you publish it, a couple other people

say, hey, I wonder if that's true, I'll do it too. And you either get replication or you don't. And I did notice that in Henry Ford's paper, they did not refer to some of the papers in the literature that have done un-vaxed studies. And they think they're the first ones to have tested an unvaccinated group. I think that they need to look at a whole bibliography and not just at some of the studies that come through the typical channels. But one thing I did want to mention

about the Henry Ford study is you may remember that there were six children who died during the duration of the study, which was quite a long study. I think it started in 2000 and ended about 2016-17. Five of the kids who died were in the vaccinated group, One was in the unvaccinated group, but had had a very complicated newborn course. Now, because those numbers are so small,

that's not going to allow for us to really say that's statistically significant because you have such small numbers. And that's one of the big problems with Vax-on-Vax study. Ideally, you should have many, many, many thousands of infants. But rather than citing that, you know, that, you know, as, you know, it was too small and we can't really know, I would wonder,

you know, what are those kids with their deaths trying to tell us? And I think it's worth asking the question. You know, when I was practicing and a mom came in and said my kid had a fever last night or my kid pulling out his ear, I didn't not believe them, you know, I took the rest of the history and examined them.

But so many families have told me when they went back to their doctor and said, You gave this vaccine, immediately the child's cry was different. He started arching his head back, which to me means encephalitis until proven otherwise. He's not been right since. Then we tell them, you must be wrong, you must not really know your child, know that can't happen. The vaccine reactions are one in a million.

And I think we really have to listen to the parents and respect what they are teaching us. When I was at the Autism Research Institute, we got some of our best research ideas from the parents who had seen what happened to their children. And I really honor and applaud them because their life took a U-turn that they never expected, and they really tried to work so hard to make sure it didn't happen to other children. I think they are the heroes. I think this medical freedom movement is built on the backs of those parents that went to these horrific situations found ways forward but really did spend their energy not whining

complaining but really just warning others you know look out here I think the environment is changing I think the world really is changing right now I think parents are waking up I think they're like pediatricians are complaining I don't know how to handle all these questions that are coming in and they're astute questions there's sound questions and I think pediatricians starting to yell at their patients because they don't have answers to what they know they should have answer to so before we wrap it up here tell me just a little bit kids in COVID why'd you write this book what's about early on in the so-called pandemic I thought that these MRNA vaccines were such a bad idea the first thing I thought about

was what I call the Goldilocks principle you know how in the world with this new therapy it's not really a vaccine it's a gene modifying agent that's teaching your body to do something different how are we going to know if it's too hot meaning it's going to to hurt a bunch of people or if it's too cold, meaning it's not going to work in some people to prevent transmission. We know that doesn't work that way or to really make them feel that much better. So I felt like we did not have the data to show that it was going to be just right so that Goldilocks would like it.

And then long before the vaccines even came out, I was working with Children's Health Defense and we were putting together a lot of very real concerns. I did a video back then on Halloween before the shots came out, laying out some of our concerns. And in the beginning of the book, I make an analogy to Cassandra, who was the Greek goddess, who could see all kinds of horrible things about to happen, but nobody would listen to her. You know, I feel like that's somewhat of what I have lived in the last 25 years, trying to tell the CDC or NIH that there are some kids, there are subgroups that do poorly with vaccines, just like the a certain number of my kids are going to be allergic to a moxicillin. Right.

So the main reason I wrote the book is that so much propaganda, frankly, which was rebranded as marketing and was delivered often by the government or trusted officials, was directed at parents to try to make them fearful and coerce them into getting shot. So one of my messages to the parents is if people have a new technology and they're trying to coerce you into taking it by mandating it, or the highly unethical practice of, you know, giving a pizza party to a class, but only if everybody in the class gets the shot.

You know, you do not want that. You want true informed consent. And I find that people respond much better to you being honest with them about the pros and the cons than they do when you, They think that you're trying to pull one over on them. So for the doctors, I say, listen to the parents. For the parents, I say, don't be coerced into doing something that you and your instinct

feel is not going to be good for your child. And so I have a lot of examples in the book of the bad side effects from the COVID shots in kids. Myocarditis, you've covered well, neurologic problems, potential reproductive harms. scarily increasing cancer that starts out as a stage four and a younger person. And autoimmunity, which our colleagues predicted what happened. You know, this bite protein looks very similar to about 26 different human tissue proteins. So people were writing all this down and publishing it often before the shots even hit the market.

And then there's a whole issue that Ed Dowd has done so brilliantly. looking at 60,000 young people, excess deaths. Dill, you know, that's as many people has died in Vietnam and it happened in a year, not over 12 years. And yet, I think most of your average American audience doesn't know that or the increasing rates of disability, which were so significant that the insurance industry

was really wondering how they were gonna cover it. So I go into all of that in the book. I tried to write it so that, people would think. And in fact, I end every chapter with food for thought. You know, now that I've shown you this evidence, does it change your mind? Are you surprised what I've told you? Is it different from what you learned from the government or your doctor? So it's intended to be thought provoking, but it's also intended to be read by a lay audience as well as by any clinicians that can also read it for deeper information.

You're obviously a brilliant wealth of information so good at talking about. I'm glad we finally got you here onto the high wire. So I'm just really great to see you. And I can't wait to have you on the panel in LA in just a couple of days for an convenient study. So thanks for joining us today. Thanks. And I want to tell you that a lot of what's in the book I learned from Jeffrey Jackson in his investigative reporting and you. Because I love to tease you about how popular he is.

But you guys taught me a lot during COVID. And I want you to get that credit. You know, we're going to have off the record, which is, you know, the conversation we have after the show. I want to talk to you about the omnibus proceeding. This was the famous proceedings on autism where they took a group that was going to decide the fate of autism and how we're going to pay for it. You have an insight into that. So we'll get into that just a little bit. The book is Kids in COVID.

You've just seen how eloquent she is and how understandable. You need to get these books. These are the things they're going to change, you know, the course of history. It's on Amazon. There you go. You see it on the screen. You can pick it up right now. It's a great book.

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now. Before I wrap up this show, you know, I usually like to mention something that's very positive or something that we've achieved. But I think there's also a moment where you have to say, man, I told you so, and this has got to stop. I don't know if you saw the headline, but here it is. Shocker, Eli Lilly Tapp's former U.S. FDA official Peter Marks to head infectious disease. Sure, he's going to make a boatload of money after he stood up for the vaccine program, forced us all to take a product, hid the truth, which is what we proved in, you know, the Peter Mark's work that we did, the real Peter Marks. You can look at this, the real Petermarks. By the way, since this is in the

headlines, this is a great thing to share with all of your friends. These are those captured videos. Many of them from Breanne Dresen of React 19, who's just done incredible work herself with her own vaccine injury, but the vaccine injured. These are all of the Zoom calls. He knew the injuries was happening. He was talking to them. He was sitting watching them in their wheelchairs and being fed by tubes and just refuse to let anyone in this country know. This man is so vile, and now he's going to make fortunes in Eli Lilly. And what are we, minutes away from having left his job at the FDA? I mean, I honestly thought there was some sort of grace period. If you talk about a revolving door, there it is. It's more than a revolving door. It's like a

rocket. You just climb down that rocket and you get fired right out of our regulatory agencies straight into a lucrative job for pharma. That's great. That's great. That's what free countries run on, man, that's what it's all about. Good on you, Peter. Thank you for showing us your true colors and what you really care about. I think these people are going to live in infamy. And man, I still dream that some of them end up living in infamy inside of a jail cell. We'll see how that turns out. It's a lot of Robert Kennedy Jr.'s plate right now. He's got to save our kids. He's probably more focused on that than putting people in jail. Maybe Rand Paul will get on that. But look at the conversation we're happening. Look at this environment that we're in right now. I just really, you know, I've said

it all the time when I walk through airports. I'm in a restaurant and you walk up to me. So many of you just say, look, the high wire gives me hope. When COVID, when it just felt so down and out, I just felt like there was hope. You got me through it. The show, Jeffrey Jackson, Love, got us through it. Thank you for winning back the religious exemption in Mississippi. Thank you for showing, you know, the rest of the nation, West Virginia, all this work. This is only possible because we just, every one of us, everyone on this team, everyone making this movie right now, just stepped up and made the next right decision. Just the next move we could make. When I sat, you know, back in 2016 with Dr. Marcus Zervos, I have no idea what that's going to turn into.

You know, all I'm going to do is this is an opportunity, I guess. I always see it as some sort of, you know, maybe this is God speaking, but I'm going to be here in this moment. I'm going to have this conversation. I'm going to say, hey, buddy. Would you ever consider doing a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study? I'll admit, I thought the chances were low, but low and behold, oh my God, look where we're at right now. We planted seeds. It took years working on the religious exemption in Mississippi.

And, you know, everyone said it was impossible. Look, we're at now. They're free to go to school without vaccinations. We've been spending years in West Virginia. Everyone says it wasn't possible. It's never going to happen. Oh, Robert Kennedy, are you kidding me? He'll never, you know, you're never going to change.

The pharmaceutical industry owns the government. government, Dell. You can't win here. We're outnumbered. We're out spent. We're outfunded. You know who never listened to any of that? Me. I don't. I don't care. I don't listen to that. And neither should you. It's probably why you're tuning in here. But what I will say is this. These changes are happening. The world is changing. Not because you watch this show, but because you get active and you share this show. You give donations to us. I can. and children's health defense and help the work that Elizabeth Lumpner is doing and all the great groups that you care about.

You're voting with your dollars. You're making a difference. You're getting out. You're voting. And I hope this week you help make an inconvenience study the biggest damn movie they've ever tried to write a cease and desist letter about. Get out there. If you can get to California, it's going to be a hoot. I will see you there.

Liz will be there. A lot of our team. Let's have a, you know, glass of wine. Let's celebrate what we're in. achieving here. And for all of you that are watching online and going to be watching all the social media, please share this film with everyone you know. Let's show them how big we are. Let's show them how many of us there are. Let's show them how we are still not done taking over the world. And I'll see you next week on the high wire.