The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 446: REBOOTING THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

Fresh off its Best of Festival award at the Malibu Film Festival, ‘An Inconvenient Study’ continues to make waves. Del shares highlights from the festival and reactions to this groundbreaking film. Then, Jefferey Jaxen reports on pediatricians panicking over an RFK Jr. future — is vaccine medicine really about health, or profit? Finally, Zen Honeycutt opens her heart about the tragic loss of her son and her belief that toxic chemicals are fueling a silent epidemic of depression.Guest: Zen HoneycuttBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Yes. Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. Well, we've had just an amazing week. I've been traveling all over the place from Minnesota to Los Angeles to New York. discussing the release of an inconvenient study, our latest film, and it's been an incredible success.

But for those of you that couldn't be in California for the Malibu Film Festival, we wanted to just give you just a taste of what it felt like. It was a room filled with some of the most beautiful people in the world. The vibe was awesome. Take a look at this. Look at this turnout.

I love you guys! I think that this is a lot. I think that this documentary is one of the most important things. I haven't done a red carpet in years, and to be doing it here, Dell. I will say that the premiere being here in the belly of the beast is where it should be. Have a film like this, an inconvenient study, really questioning the safety of vaccines right here in the Directors Guild of America in the center of Hollywood, where you were not allowed to ask this question.

I think it shows that there's a transformation. happening in the world right now. There are tons of folks that are on our side that are afraid. They're afraid to do this. The dam is breaking, you know. Something's gotta give, and it's happening. The fact that it's here at the Guild means more and more people are thinking for themselves. Making a movie and making a movement is there is no eye and team,

as evident by how many people there are here today on the Sunday morning at like 9.30. Many, many years is about, anecdotal evidence. Many years it's been about us parents shouting from the rooftops saying please there's something going on, there's a connection and so to have a documentary like this show that the science was put into it and just because you don't like the results does not mean you're allowed to squash it. It makes me very sad that this data has been sitting there for more than five years now without being made public.

To bring it to people in this format, in our society right now, video is how people learn. And so a documentary is exactly the way to share this information with people. Yeah, I got goosebumps when I saw the trailer. It's remarkable. The hidden camera footage is absolutely the best. I think Dell probably figured out

that they were going to deny, deny, deny Everything that they told him, he was smart and he used a hidden camera to get everything on camera. It's he said, she said, unless you have actual footage. I hate to say that I got really giddy when I saw the hidden camera because it's kind of what you needed to have happen though. What he said to me is it's a good study. Those are his words, not mine. I'm glad the cameras are rolling because it's a good study. I'm going to take his word for it.

They said that the data wasn't valid. It's their own data. How is their own data not valid? Our medical literature is owned by Big Pharma, as are our Congress. That's not the United States of America. Everybody in Science and Medicine should be jumping up and down for joy. And instead, these guys are circling the wagons and saying nothing to see here. And that tells us heaps about the corruption and the moral depravity of science and medicine today.

I feel like there's a spiritual shift right now where the veil has been dropped and that all you cannot hide anymore. And we're seeing more and more people being faced with the truth. The world will learn what parents have been telling us for three decades. Finally, people are going to start to wake up and realize what the truth is. This is probably the most important film that we can get out. We need to get the truth out. My hopes are that this goes viral. I hope that the documentary will be able to do that.

the documentary will change minds because that's what it's all about. Our children are sick. We can't just keep hiding from it anymore. Well, it's certainly a star-studded red carpet. It was such an amazing experience. And though most of you will be watching this film on your television sets and computer screens, there's something about being in the largest theater at the Directors Guild, the heart of Hollywood. There was an irony to it. There's a beauty to it. I agree with East Side Morales. when he says it, I think it shows that there's a shift happening. We had an incredible panel afterwards,

having a deep discussion led by Jimmy Doar. So I want to take a look at some of those experiences. Today we're here and proud to present the world premiere of an inconvenient study. Like to bring to the stage, Elvaitree. Thank you. I was really lucky to have been to have been

introduced to Dr. Marcus Soros, the head infectious disease at Henry Ford Health. I said, would you ever do a study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated? And he said to me, I would do that study. I'm a scientist. I follow the science where it leads me. That study finally did get done by 2020. And just as I feared, those results, I believe are the reason this study is still unpublished. That is what this film is about.

And you have to decide how important it is. and how many people in the world need to see it. Thank you very much. I think that's a good study. Every country in the world is affected by his vaccines. You start answering the question until he ran out of air. Would you still publish it?

That was the question. Working to end all vaccine mandates in Florida. I can't just start doing anymore. It was hard for me to watch. I had to close my eyes many times. And my wife was crying next to me and threw most of it. So I'd like to get everyone's reaction This film is a masterpiece.

This film will make that difference. I've watched this film, I don't know how many times. And every time I teared up, sitting here watching it and hearing the reactions, gives me a lot of hope. We're going to make some real change. When you're in the clinic, you can help one child at a time. Two things that have made a difference of film and COVID. Film, you're able to get a story out with integrity to millions of people at one time. This is just such an example when this film will be able to get a story out with integrity to millions of people at one time.

This is just such an example when this film will move the barometer even further. We had done what we set out to do, and this is something that, you know, we've been trying to accomplish for the last eight years on the high wire. It's a culmination of that, so I couldn't be more proud. We have a personal connection, my wife and I. We have two boys who reacted adversely to vaccines. The existing system is so corrupt, so calcified, so broken, that you can't get good science

out of the existing system. If you're not prepared to follow them. the rules of science and publish irrespective of what you find, then you are not a scientist. If anybody could talk about what kind of personal price they've had to pay for standing up and telling the truth about this unbelievably propagandized issue. Right here is the guy that I think they should do the talk. And I'll be honest, I don't feel like I have made a sacrifice at all. The work that we've done and I can, I get to go out and tell the truth that people are listening.

These children did not have an informed choice. And so they've lost their voice and we have to stand for them. It's as simple as that. For anyone out there, be brave, be courageous. You might close one door on your career, but you would open up yourself to so many incredible opportunities to be a better human. That's what we all need to do, find common ground. This movie can only change the lives that does that see it.

You are the distribution company right now. We need you to share this with every... everyone you know. Let's show the world how powerful the people really are. It's we the people. That's what media represents and that is our only hope right now. I am so incredibly blown away. I was moved. I hate to say this to tears. It's so well done and such an important message. When it started I was like, I left my tissues at home because I knew I'd be crying the whole time and I was ugly crying.

in the seat. I mean, it was like pouring down my face. I think they did a good job of also taking people from maybe someone who hasn't spent much time on this issue, explaining kind of the issues with a lot of the randomized controlled trials and then bringing it to that study. This is the stuff that's important. This is the stuff that changes hearts and minds. Real stories built on real facts. And it's all right there. So there's nothing to argue against if you just sit down and watch the movie. It's very Italian. He's wearing a wire. He loved that. traumatic effect too of him getting ready and like walking in there. I mean he's a hero man

Dell's a fucking hero. We've been gaslit so much and like Del can say these things and people like oh it's misinformation oh yeah well I came with receipts. I think that if people are brave enough to see it and watch it'll be able to take away an awful lot. An inconvenient study it's it's tremendous. Nothing can stop this film. Nothing. I'm honored this year to have a film that is so important and so painful to watch. I'm confident that it'll change your mind on a lot of subjects. The festival, an inconvenient study. It's true.

With heroes that have put their names on this film, this award goes out to all of those injured children and people, millions and millions being destroyed by this vaccine program. vaccine program. It must end. This is a failure. This has been a destruction by science. And if you look into it, you will realize we've been lied to in the changes. The world is the world. Well, I mean, and, you know, moments after we screen in the theater, of course, we made the film public. And it is being seen all over the world as we speak. Thousands and thousands of people every hour are checking the website, sharing social media posts. Just on Sunday alone, that day that we

released it, over 12.5 million interactions sharing, downloading, posting. It was absolutely phenomenal. We want that to keep going. But one of my favorite things about this film and the way we've approached it. I mean, it's clear we received a cease and desist letter from Henry Ford Health that have made claims. Some of those are being shared right now online. We've been very transparent about the fact and letting their voice be heard so that it's known what they think are the issues they want out there, of course. Their main gist of their opinion is that, you know, the film intimates that this film was not, I mean, this study was not released because of the results of the finding. Of course, that's exactly, you know, what we hear when I'm interviewing Zervos or having the dinner with him where he says it's a good study. I would publish this study as it is.

the only reason I'm not is I would lose my career. I'd be finished. I've said it over and over again. Those are his words. They're not mine. We let the film speak for itself, which is one of the things that people were coming out saying, I love that it just, it didn't feel like it was hitting me over the head. It was just all the facts and things that are out there, how they've been laid out for us to look at, and then we make up our own mind. And because of that, there's a huge online debate that's going right now. This film and the discussion around this study is being hit from all sides and unlike those that don't want to publish things or don't want to, you know, have a challenge, I believe that's the scientific method. In fact, I think what an inconvenience study is doing right now

is it is rebooting the scientific method. I love that there's scientists that are attacking this study and attacking this film and laying out their points. Let me just go ahead and celebrate one of those posts. This is Professor Jeffrey Morris. I've written a news article. He lays out the three biggest points he thinks they are. And I'll read them to you. Surveillance bias. Most children, especially the unvaccinated, weren't followed long enough to reach the ages when chronic diseases are usually diagnosed. Detection bias. Vaccinated children had far more interactions with the Henry Ford Health System, giving them more chances to have conditions diagnosed and recorded. Unadjusted confounders, key factors like urban versus rural settings, socioeconomic status, insurance,

and environmental exposures such as air, water pollution in Detroit during the study years, weren't accounted for. These influence both vaccination likelihood and disease risk, as well as how often families use Henry Ford Clinic, shaping what shows up in the records. Look, film addresses made those points because the study addressed many of those points. They ran sensitivity analysis. I'm not going to get deep into it. We worked hard to make that clear in the film. If you need to understand it, watch the film. But also scientists on the other side then reacted to that post. say, well, hold on a second, you're leaving out the most important part of this study. This is jickey leaks. I'm going to explain why this chart is so important, why is being

disingenuous by ignoring it, whilst making points that undermine the real world vaccine data industry. It's a Kaplan Meyer curve, and it obliterates Jeffrey's argument. He discusses why was this left out of Jeffrey's argument. He goes on to explain that. That's a huge showing, of course, when we're looking at that. That's the chart when they ran a 10 year. Over 10 years, what it shows is that. these children that were vaccinated, the way they do is kind of upside down from what you would think. But if you were unvaccinated, you had an 83% chance of remaining healthy and not having a chronic illness. But if you were vaccinated, you only had a 43% chance of not having a chronic disease. Let me flip that so you can make it make sense.

That means 57% of those vaccinated by 10 years in would have at least one chronic disease, where only 17% of the unvaccinated were at risk of having a chronic disease. Those are astronomical gaps. And what Jake Elegs points out in that graph is that when you see that big a difference, sure, there may be some issues in the study, but when it is that big, that really tends to overcome many of the issues you have. And it goes on to point out in cancer research, which is what they point out here. Look how close these are together when they consider it a great cancer drug,

he even brings up Patrick Sonschun's miracle cancer drug that everyone's talking about. This is how wide apart those were. They're pretty close. I mean, a slight advantage. And all of a sudden it's like, wow, we've got a miracle here. But boy, you have a massive advantage. And they want to poke holes in the study. And I think this is important, right?

This is debate. This is how science works. We should all be asking the question. Why was this study unpublished? Is it because the data isn't good? Steve Kirst makes a really good point. It's your data. So are you complaining that your data is not good?

Good question. I don't know. Was it the fact that the study is no good? So is Dr. Zervos, does he not know what he's doing? So we question every study he's done? Good question. I don't know. This is up for debate.

This is what it's about. But I thought a Midwestern doctor, one of the posts, really nailed home, the best reason we should be taking a serious look at this study. And he writes this, since placebo, I'm assuming it's a he, Midwestern doctor, could be a she, but since placebo trials on vaccines are never done for ethical reasons by the rules of evidence-based medicine, the retrospective studies we have are the best available evidence. And their conclusions about vaccine harm cannot be dismissed unless better placebo-controlled trials are conducted to corroborate or refute them. In short, anytime someone critiques a retrospective study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated as invalid,

it's critical to remember those studies are the gold standard because better ones will never be done. That's really the point that the film makes. It points out that every version so far of a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study, whenever that's done so far around the world, it is showing the same signal. This reproducible science is happening. And every time that study's done, the vaccinated or sicker. That, I believe, is the bullhorn we should all be standing on. What I want this film to do is we call every senator, every congressman we know,

everyone we know in science, every friend we have. Why is it? If vaccines make us healthier, and that's the entire point of this entire program, why can't you show us a single study comparing those that get them to those that don't and show us that those are getting more healthier. That should be the easiest study in the world. And that I want to be the talking point that we all bring to the world. We want more of these studies done.

We want bigger ones done. We want to see all the different databases. Does where you live, as pointed out, as one of the detractors, actually matter? Let's see. Let's not just poke holes because every study there is showing the same thing. We're beyond that now. You have a problem. Houston, we have a real problem, as I say, in the film.

I thought I had a great opportunity yesterday. to sit down with Dr. Drew on his show. And, you know, he's a scientist. He has done, he talks about studies, knows how to read studies. It was interesting because I had hoped he'd get a chance to see the film. But as he said, right before we were going on, I had janky internet on the plane when I was playing on watching the film. So I only got to really look at the study and study the studies.

So he brought his perspective. Look what he had to say about the study himself. I think we've jump started the scientific method again, which has been dead. We need to be challenging each other on all these topics. Yes, absolutely. God, that is so true. And the discourse. I mean, it should be just constant.

That is the scientific process. I read the paper. And by the way, I've Henry Ford Health. I only know them to be high quality. I'm not saying anything negative about them at all. But I did read the study. I was really trying to be critical of the study as best I could. It was a great preliminary study with a massively positive result that would, if it were published,

if you were the publishing, if I was the author of that paper, I would be at the end of it saying, yes, there are weaknesses in the data collection. There's a lot of diversity of the different populations in here. But this is a strongly positive result that warrants further study, which is exactly. exactly what the research is supposed to do. It's supposed to raise a signal, much like the Tylenol signal came out from the Harvard study, and you discuss it, and then you go after it, and maybe it's disproven or maybe it's proven. I don't know, but there's the signal, but I was still surprised at how strong the study was,

both in terms of its simplicity, which is always a good study. It's always the simpler, the better. And it asked a simple question. This is what science should do. You should ask a simple question. after kids have children, all children, are they healthier after vaccine or less healthy? That's it. Simple question.

And then a statistical analysis afterwards. That's it. And it came out very positive. The null hypothesis was highly informative. We better do more study, seems to me. I even corrected him after getting them speaking for most of us watching. A very positive study, a very positive outcome. What he means is it really showed a major difference,

A positive, you know, even though it was negative, I said for the vaccinated, if the search and the question in this study is, is it making it healthier? We saw a dramatic difference. And therefore, it's a strong signal, at least what's written in this unpublished study. And more should be done. And it does seem to be lining up with those others that have been done. I mean, that's the newsflash. I want to thank all of you that have been out there. I mean, I can see it. We see it blowing up on social media, but especially as those, you know, influencers that, you know, you wouldn't necessarily expect. I want to give a shout out to Vigilant Fox. If you're not following Vigilant Fox, always on top of many of these issues, whether it's about Maha or the work that we're doing,

a huge following. You should be following them. Chief Nerd shared it. You know, also should be following Chief Nerd. Then we've got, what do we got, Sernovich, Michael Sernovich. This guy is just a truth teller in every way and really help get this out. shout out and then on Instagram, Tyler Hudson Music. I love the videos. He's been having a lot of fun with this. So if you want to have some fun, make sure you that you're following him. The homeschool how to podcast, great posts, really been effective helping us get the word out there. Of course, Maha Mamas. And I want to thank Dr. Drew. And I'm going to be doing more interviews with a lot of different influencers and stuff. And look, I can't say everybody. But this is a

movement and it really is of form by the people. We need you to share this everywhere you can. In some ways, I'm going to keep, you know, saying you really need to now pick 10 people. I mean, if we got millions of people watching it right now, how do we get it into that other bubble, right? I know we're all seeing it if this is a question or something you look at online, but who is that friend, who is that loved one, that if they got into it and they saw it and they shared it to their group, how do we now expand? How do we use this as a two? tool to really expand this movement of truth so that everyone in the world understands what we're talking about. I hope you'll take on that mission this week and share this with the less likely

people because look how people are responding. I mean, we were getting calls from people. Friends are saying, I showed this to a friend that's never looked at this. I just heard today someone that's having a baby that's been pro-vaccine saw the film when they're saying, I'm really questioning this. It's an effective, powerful tool. I want to thank my incredible team that have, you know, really deserve this award. This film was made very quickly. And I'll tell you this just as an insider. The only reason we were able to make a film of this quality this quickly is because we

aren't technically filmmakers. You have to know how to make TV. You have to be putting out a weekly show as powerful and dynamic with as many bells and whistles as we do every single week to actually know how to make a film that works like this just under 90 minutes in just a couple of months. It's a tour to force by my team. Wouldn't have been able to do it without them. So for all of you sharing it right now,

and for all around the world that are now watching the high wire today because you saw this film, get ready, because it's time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey, it's an exciting moment. I'm sure lots of new eyeballs watching right now. So what are we going to talk about today? Yeah. Well, Del, like you said, we're watching the old scientific paradigm changing.

So what's happening now is the public is involved, They're educated. They're sharing this information. And this blind trust in experts, this kind of information coming from on high saying, trust us and these simple slogans, safe and effective, one in a million, it's gone. It's over. People are not believing this anymore. And that's come to term because the pharmaceutical company has wielded lots of power and influence. Let's be honest. Yeah. So they've used media. They've used government policy. And even trickled down to the individual doctors and pediatricians. So let's look. look at why this is changing. Let's start with the media, us. Well, we're disrupting it.

The alternative media has now become the dominant media. But trust in media in general, corporate media has fallen, it's gone. Now we're down, again, we report this every month, it seems like, but we're at a new low. This is a Gallup poll, 28%. And you can see here from this graph, this is starting really in the 70s, and you see this green line from 1975, just plummeting down to 28% now. And that is a major mouthpiece for pharmaceutical companies. Direct-to-consumer advertising, we know that pharmaceutical companies give lots of money to corporate media, so they can't really say anything bad about them. But now let's talk about direct-to-consumer advertising, because that's a problem too,

and this comes into the government policy piece. So we have Trump, basically there was a presidential memorandum. He gave this to HHS Secretary Kennedy to do something about this direct-to-consumer advertising. A lot of people wanted to eliminate it completely. Only US and New Zealand are the countries that do that. But what they're doing is limiting it now. So they're saying pharmaceutical companies, you have to be more truthful.

And you can see here in this article what it's talking about, listen to what they did. It says the crackdown comes with serious consequences for the pharmaceutical industry. The federal food drug and cosmetics act regulates misbranding drugs with false or misleading claims. Violations were previously handled via FDA warning letters or civil penalties.

But here's a big deal. But the Justice Department has started to move these cases from its civil division to its, criminal division, which could lead to executives and companies facing prosecution, not just fines. I mean, to say we're in uncharted territory here, but it's affecting people's lives. Let's be clear. I mean, people say, well, I don't know. Is that an assault on business and free speech?

These people are lying about products that could kill you or change your life forever. And so, yeah, I do think it's finally time we start talking about criminal charges. I love that. Right. And so they've sent out over 200 cease and desist letters. And a lot of people are asking, where's the action here? This just happened last month. The FDA is now enforcing this. So they're going around. They're actually working this. They're actioning it. This is a new policy. So a lot of the pharmaceutical companies still aren't sure exactly what to do. So they're receiving letters, about 200 cease and desist levers, about 1,000 warning letters are in the process of going

out as well. Let's look at one of those warning letters. So if you are AstraZeneca and you make a product called FluMIST, you just received this letter. It says this, the FDA has determined that the TV ad for false or misleading. Thus, the TV ad misbrands flu miss and makes its distribution and violation with the Federal Food Drug and Cosmetics Act. But then it goes on to say this, please submit a written response to this letter within 15 working days from the date. And it goes on, if you go all the way to the bottom, because it's talking about the promotional stuff, but promotional advertising, it says, for Flumists, that contain representation such as those described above, and explaining your plan for discontinuation of such communications

or for ceasing distribution of flu mist. Wow, them's fighting words. So basically change your commercial or pull your product. Wow. Which one would you like to do? And if you go, we have time to do this, but if you go into these letters and you read them, they're posted on the FDA website, they methodically with a fine-tooth comb go through their commercial and say, you are putting way too many visuals, there's way too much audio going on, The viewers cannot decipher what is an adverse event

you're trying to communicate. The letters are too small. I mean, they're really going for these companies and trying to make them do right. So. Yeah, and as we've said, I mean, look, and I was in some of these conversations when we were discussing how we'd go about this.

A lot of people wanted to just end direct to consumer marketing. But really, we do believe in the First Amendment. You can't just say all these other companies can advertise on television, but you can't. But what you can say is you have to tell the truth. And if your product has major side effects, all of those side effects have to be listed, not just your favorite ones. And that's where the issue is here.

Now these commercials are going to have to go beyond 30 seconds, one minute. You're going to be looking at two-minute commercials if they're going to list every single side effect. In fact, I think I just saw one of these last week during a football game, and it just went on and on and on with side effects. I just thought, you can tell they're trying it. How are we going to do this? It ain't going to work. You're like, who would want that product?

So they're in real trouble. This is where it needs to be because it's just honesty. It's transparency and honesty, which is the foundational bedrock principle for freedom, for freedom. You've got to be stating, you know, what your product can and cannot do in all the harms informed consent. And there's a lot of movement in this policy space. So we saw the ASEF committee talk about the final rule on the COVID vaccine. And this is just a review. This is a law review journal.

And they're writing it up. And they're talking about the CDC saying that it's individual-based decision-making for the COVID-19 vaccine and the standalone vaccination for chicken box and toddlers. But it goes on in this article to say this, this final sentence. In support of this policy, acting CDC director Jim O'Neill stated that informed consent is back. So there it is. The wave that we took part in creating, along with others, America's riding on that right now. Informed consent is back.

And you're seeing states taking it even further, like Florida, and saying it's not just COVID, it's all vaccines are individual decision-making. So any state can do this, but that's the federal policy, which is huge. But then we have all the way down to the doctors, and we have the pediatricians, and the messaging that goes to their, basically to their offices that goes to the vaccines that go into children's arms. So this is the Atlantic, and they wrote an interesting article I want to bring people's attention to. Pediatricians can't bear the costs. Were they talking about? It says pediatrics is one of the lowest paid specialties in medicine. And now the Trump administration's approach to vaccines has made the job of being a pediatrician

that much more challenging. Jason Turk, a pediatrician in northern Texas, told me, is that going to hasten people leaving the practice? Probably. But then he goes on to say this. Now remember, this is trying to gain, you know, make you feel kind of bad for pediatricians because the big bad mean Kennedy and Trump. But listen to this.

It says some of these actions are affecting pediatricians vaccine purchasing directly. In its first meeting, for instance, Kennedy's ACE voted to remove recommendations for flu vaccines that contain the preservative thymarisol. Following the council of an anti-vaccine activist, most flu vaccines in the U.S. were already thymarosol free. Doesn't say anything about why they wanted to do that because there's evidence that was creating part of mercury, chronic disease epidemic and children. You know, we kind of want to take that out. But here's the Atlantic saying, but, you know, they're crazy because it wasn't even in vaccines to begin with. Well, let's go to the next sentence because the Atlantic contradicts himself. It says, but Turk in Texas told me that

about 70, 70% of his practice's supply of flu shots contain the component. Wow. Which per- Oh, my God. It was crazy. It's crazy anti-difaxers got a thing with thimerosol that's already been taken out. Let me get back to my interview with this guy. So how many of your vaccines in your practice or got thymarosol? I don't know, like 70%.

Oh, my God. So they try to smooth it out. This thymirosol, it prevents contamination in multi-dose vials. Oh, of course, that's why we need it. But here's the argument. Switching over to single dose thymyrosol-free vials eats up far more space in refrigerators, forcing his practice to place more frequent orders

of fewer, more expensive doses. Oh, my. That's the argument. Oh my God. Let me just take a moment here for everyone out there. I've been in media for nearly two decades now. I worked for CBS. Many of you have pointed out.

I used to work, you know, essentially celebrating farm. I worked on the doctor's television show, to Dr. Phil's show before that, I want to tell you, when you're trying to figure out how good you're doing in an argument or what's going on in the world, I sit and imagine if I had to promote their side. If I had to go, okay, now what is our talking point this week? What is it we're trying to sell? Well, we're trying to sell, you know, we're going to go with Andy Wakefield's a bad guy, all right, the same thing that hasn't worked for like, you know, the last 30 years. All right, and we're also going to go with autism's always been here, even though you can't

find an old person with it. Okay, I'm really, we're running out of it. What else? Give me something new. I need something fresh. I need something fresh. Okay, here it is. If we get rid of thimerosol and we give people choice, we're not going to have enough refrigerator space. What? That's what we're going with? That's my headline. My headline is we've got to, you know, forget about children's health, forget about any danger with the vaccine. I can't worry about that because I don't have a big enough refrigerator. I suppose they're going to change the Hippocratic oath. right? It's going to just say, do no harm unless you run out of refrigerator space. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

I mean, there are, folks, we got them on the ropes. If this is the arguments they're down to, they're all but dead. This is all but over. Okay. Tackling chronic disease and children in refrigerator space. So let's go on. Let's keep going. Maybe this argument gets a little better because, you know, the vaccinators and pediatricians are really having a hard time under HHS Kennedy

in these moves. So it goes on to say this in the Atlantic. It says under Kennedy's leadership, the FDA has also restricted the approvals for COVID shots, while ASIP has substantially softened recommendations for their use, prompting, ready, weeks of scramble. Oh, gosh, are big. Weeks of scramble for pharmacies, doctors, offices, and patients as they have tried to figure out who is eligible for the shots and whether insurers will cover them. Who else can we charge for this thing? We, refrigerators face. They can't ruin their lives. So some people we have.

haven't thought of. Is there somewhere out there we could get to? Oh, wow. Now, so in response, in my opinion, there's a far more dangerous move going on here. We're seeing a literal exiting from the United States to keep injectors and to keep the status quo in the old science paradigm. This is as radical as it can get. So in the east here, you have the northern U.S. states are forming really what's called the Eastern Alliance in response to federal vaccine limits. That's Reuters. But also in California, you have the Western Alliance, Western States issue COVID guidance breaking from the CDC. So they're doing this in the guise of health care. And let's go to that guidance for the COVID shot. This is following out West California's Department

of Public Health. And you can see here for the COVID shot starting with children all six to 23 months. Just start vaccinating six months all the way up to the elderly. Just go. Nothing. No contradictions. No contradictions. Just get these COVID shots in arms. as if it was 2021 and the emergency use authorization just happened and we were in the middle of a hot pandemic. So that's where we're at and this this these simple talking points are they're regurgitating. They're coming back around again. I thought we were done with these. Here's Illinois Governor J.B Pritzner and he took to X and he posted this. I mean this is like 2015 stuff here. He says vaccines are safe and effective. Autism isn't caused by vaccine and blah blah blah goes on to say

it's more important than ever to speak plainly, truthfully, and directly, and simply because they think you're stupid. And here's Pritzner talking about autism. Take a look. All right. Autism is not caused by vaccines. I want to repeat that so everyone can hear it, and hopefully anybody that's tuning in. Autism is not caused by vaccines. It's not caused by Tylenol. contrary to RFK Jr.'s bigoted evaluation, autistic people are not tragedies. They are students, they are workers, they are neighbors, artists, athletes, and thinkers who strengthen our communities. So let me be clear.

Blaming vaccines or medicine for autism is not just wrong, it's harmful. I want to just jump in on this topic. This is a very wide spectrum, very poorly defined. It has issues. One of them is there are, you know, children that get through that are affected lightly, that go on to do great in college and have great lives. But to say it's not a tragedy for the adult that's at home right now in diapers, that lost the ability to speak with saying,

I love you, mommy, I love you, daddy. when they were, you know, a two years old and then suddenly got vaccinated, and those were the last words we ever really heard. I'm sorry, that is a tragedy. We have robbed them of a voice. We have robbed those children of a life, and they also must be considered, Mr. Pritzker, when we have this conversation. I also want to point out, through the miracle of spelling to communicate and other things, it's giving these children ability to come out of this shell and start, you know, using a different set of motor skills to communicate. Those that are communicating to us are saying my body is painful. I'm burning off my body.

It's been so frustrating to not be heard. They're locked literally in a prison. For them, I do this work. So do you, so do you, Jeffrey. That is who we're talking about when we are saying that this is a tragedy. And it's not right to talk about those that have, you know, a situation that is not nearly as dramatic as those. those of the poster children for this incredibly debilitating illness that when we find out the cause,

clearly it's going to be environmental and it shouldn't be illegal to remove that environmental problem. We're not going to keep imprisoning these poor children. It's just insane. And I get really, I hope I'm expressing the frustration, you know, adequately enough for all of those parents that live this every day that I've met for all of you out there. that is a crime against humanity the way he just used language right there. Yeah, I mean, you're looking at a dinosaur of public media messaging here. This is the Dark Ages of Medicine, what he's talking about.

And let's recap. Vaccines don't cause autism. Autism is a great thing. So he wants more of it. It's a great thing. These people are so productive. We want more of them in our society. And if you question anything, you are causing hate and you are causing harm.

And I don't know, we can see where that goes from there. Hate speech laws, harm laws, if you even question anything he said. So that, I mean, it's an, that argument is so, is so 2015, 2010, I don't know. But the reason we're talking about this, especially the COVID shot, let me bring it down to the focus of the COVID shot. We have these Western and Eastern alliances. They're forming to push a shot that should not be on the market right now. It certainly shouldn't be on the market for children and adolescents. And you're still seeing headlines like this.

COVID eligibility. Younger people are finding ways to get this shot despite, you know, despite, you know, the confusion at the top. And you can see the byline here, it says, but parents are having more difficulty getting infants and toddlers vaccinated. Again, this is never beyond the mark. This is a baloney story. You want to talk about, I call liars on all those reporters right now.

Nobody is like, how am I going to get my COVID shot? This is such a contrived piece of baloney. You know, maybe there's three lunatics right now in America that are struggling, searching the streets for their COVID shot. Oh, my God. As though, hurry up, get behind me, line starts behind me. I'm going to get the last COVID shot. Yeah, we fell for that.

We're that stupid. But again, Jeffrey, I hope they keep doing it. I mean, it just shows how far ahead we are. Like when people say, oh, we're the minority, no, we are not the minority. These morons writing, these articles are trying every stupid approach they can to make you think you want one of these things. There's a line. And we're running out. There's a scarcity.

Make sure you get one now. Quickly run. Unbelievable. And again, for people, the last people on earth still buying this, if the regulatory agencies would have done any part of their job. They had the signal when it came to myocarditis. And I want to go over this timeline because it's very important because we should not even be having this conversation right now. Here's Ron Johnson looking at unredacted emails that he received, his office received, and he put together a timeline that happened in 2021 when the shot was rolling out.

It should have all ended right there. It didn't. And this is why. On February 28, 2021, Israeli health officials notified CDC quote of large, reports of myocarditis, particularly in young people following the administration of the Pfizer vaccine. Again, that's February 28, 2021, two and a half months after the emergency use authorization. On April 12th, over a month later, a DOD consultant raises concerns to CDC and FDA officials about their ability to monitor and track cardiac-related adverse events. The consultant notes, quote, if you do not ask, you will not see it. but does that mean it does not exist? Unquote.

Around the same time, in mid-April, 2021, CDC officials discussed safety signals for myocarditis, quote, for myocarditis with mRNA vaccines, based on DOD and Israeli data, but do not take immediate steps to warn the public. From May 17th to May 21, 2021, CDC officials discuss whether to issue a formal health warning called a health alert network message on myocryditis, noting that, quote,

providers aren't reporting these cases to veers. They knew they weren't. They knew they existed. They knew they weren't reporting him. A couple days later during a May 24th, 2021 vaccine safety meeting, notes show that FDA and CDC officials ask, quote, is veerers signaling for myopacchariditis now, question mark, and are told for the age group 16 to 17 years and age,

18 to 24 years, yes. Yes, they saw a safety signal invaders. Yet, from May 25th to May 27, CDC officials provide up-to-date information on the status of the Han to Pfizer and Modern representatives. Not to the public. They're warning the vaccine, the injection manufacturers, indicating CDC's preference to keep those companies more informed about vaccine adverse events than the American people. Thank you. We cannot play that video enough. Thank God, President, Ron. Johnson. An inconvenient study is only possible because he published this study on the Senate website. He's been like a dog with a bone on this issue. I've watched him listen to parents of injury, the empathy he has, the passion he has for this. And what he's laying out there

is absolutely criminal. You're seeing the signal. You know it's causing myocarditis, paracrititis, and you are not warning the public. In fact, you're doing a PR job inside telling the companies that are making it. You're going to have this little PR issue. How are we going to cover it up? I mean, it's absolutely, it's our government, right? This is crazy. that this is coming out now. And we need to keep playing that. They sat on it for three months, regulatory agencies sat on for three months.

They punted it to the pharmaceutical manufacturers. They were supposed to put out a health alert to the public. They didn't. They watered it down. They walked it back was the words they used. And what they were supposed to do, they were actually, they had it already written. They wanted doctors to possibly consider kids

that came in with myocarditis to not do competitive sports, not do rigorous activity for at least three months. Just that. And our regulatory agencies at the time said, no, that's too radical. Let's just let this run. And so the public had no idea what was going on. And I seem to recall at the time, there was some people talking to the public about this and trying to warn them. Look like this. If you'll remember, now former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, he sold out his entire population to be test subjects for Pfizer. So he received the Pfizer vaccine,

basically inoculated most of the population. And then you get these headlines. Israel reports link, Israel reports link between rare cases of heart inflammation and COVID-19 vaccination in young men. And it says in this study, 90% of the cases picked up in Israel appeared in men. And although myocarditis is normally more common among young men, the rate among those vaccinated was somewhere between five and 25 times the background rate, the report says. The Israeli report was the first really extensive study linking this heart inflammation to vaccinated individuals. And they're saying somewhere between like one in 3,000 and one and six thousand people who received that Pfizer shot went on to develop myocarditis. But now we're bringing it over here in the States. And the CDC is saying, you know, similar things, not so much with the numbers of the study.

But they're saying CDC says vaccine linked to heart inflammation is stronger than previously thought. They're saying teenagers and those in their 20s. And just a reminder, in the U.S., Pfizer has the only emergency use authorization for 12 to 17-year-olds. That's incredible, Jeffrey. When you think about right today, people are still lying about this issue, no one at MSNBC has ever told you there's myocarditis or paracoditis as an advanced risk or CNN, for that matter. And it's good to point out, for those of you that are here for the first time, you probably wouldn't have gotten this vaccine if you've been watching the high wire because we were on it. Right when Senator Johnson's telling you they're lying about it, we're there in June of 2021 telling you there is an obvious signal five to 25 times. higher risk of myrocodias periciditis amongst those young men getting the vaccine.

Where would we be if that had been the news across all of the major networks, Jeffrey? Where would we be? We wouldn't be seeing the cancer rates driving. All cause mortality is still higher. All the issues that we've seen. That lie by our government, that holding back of the truth and all of mainstream media, which is owned by pharma. Slowly, I'm glad those commercials are being changed because that is the crime. That's how they got away with it, was all the funding. pharma had in the TVs that should have told you what geoffrey you were telling us all the way back in june of 2021 and that's why i love you man it's why this show continues to go on if people want the

truth they now know where they have to go to be getting it and i appreciate that thank you and regulatory agencies punted again they they told pharmaceutical companies first they told them they warned them so what the pharmaceutical companies had to say well stephan bonzel the CEO of moderna he was put he was given the opportunity in a congressional congressional hearing to tell us what he thought, to tell us all that information he received from our regulatory agencies. This is what he had to say on myocarditis. Is there a higher interest or a higher incidence of myocarditis among adolescent males 16 to 24 after taking your vaccine? So thank you for the question, Senator. First, let me say we can deeply about safety and we are

working closely with the CDC and the FDA to pretty much a yes or no. Is there a higher incidence of myocarditis among boys 16 to 24 after they take your vaccine? vaccine. The data I've shown actually, I've seen, sorry, from the CDC actually shown that there's less miracle that is for people who get the vaccine versus who get COVID infection. You're saying that for ages 16 to 24 among males who take the COVID vaccine, their risk of myocarditis is less than people who get the disease. That is my understanding. That is not true. And I'd like to enter into the record six peer reviewed papers from the Journal of Vaccine, the Annals of Medicine that say the complete opposite of what you say.

I also spoke with your president just last week, and he readily acknowledged in private that, yes, there is an increased risk of myocarditis. The fact that you can't say in public is quite disturbing. There you have it. There you have it. In the words. Yeah. So we have more science now.

So those alliances on the east and the west that are trying to vaccinate, give the COVID vaccine to everybody, if they have a pulse, are going against the science. Because we have a lot of science, but we have the science. newest research right now. This is benchwork. This is tabletop benchwork in science for beakers using beakers and petri dishes and is looking at the mechanisms of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine-induced myocarditis. So before we've had a lot of observational studies. Now it says this. Here the researchers talk about what they do. They say here we transfected AC16 cardiomyosites. Those are cardio cells with in vitro transcribe COVID-19 MRNA modified with N-methal cirtyurideine. So those are the instructions. That's the

MRNA instructions that delivered to the cells. And they did that to assess its inflammatory potential. The results demonstrated that the in vitro transcribed MRNA elicited a robust inflammatory response in cardiomyocytes. You don't want robust inflammation in your heart, but this is what it did. Markedly upregulating the pro-inflammatory cytokine IL6 twofold. It also goes on to say under inflammatory conditions, IVTMRNA, further exacerbated IL6 secretion twofold, and increased cardiomyosite apoptosis.

cardio cell death, 1.3fold. Additionally, IBTMRNA significantly elevated the levels of myocardial injury biomarkers, specifically creakine kinase mb, 1.5 fold, and cardiac troponin twofold. And remember listening to all of these, the Verpac committee, the ASIC committee, during that time when they were approving this for adolescents, they were saying, look, we know the cardiac troponin levels are elevated in these children with myocarditis, but it doesn't really mean that it's a bad thing. That sometimes can just go away. They'll have a great life. This is saying it literally has cell death, cardiac cell death. And the researchers go on and say this, not we should consider pausing this vaccination campaign. We should consider reevaluating this

MRNA platform for COVID. They say this. They say these results underscore the importance of avoiding critical microRNA binding sites and the design of next generation MRA vaccine sequences to approve safety. So keep going, guys. All good. So this build, So now we have, okay, so we have the MRNA, the actual message that goes into the cell, that tells the cell to create that spike protein. But now we have also evidence of another mechanism. We recovered this in 2022. This was a case study looking at about 15 patients with intramiocardial inflammation after their

COVID-19 vaccine, and they found that there was spike protein. The vaccine encoded spike protein seems to reach the heart, they say, where it may trigger an inflammatory response resulting in the development of myocarditis. They say there's also a causal relationship between the vaccine and the occurrence of myocardial inflammation, and it cannot be established based on these findings. And that was 2022. So now we're building on these findings, but they have the cardiac detection of the spike protein. They have the CD4 plus T-cell-dominated inflammation.

And this relationship, this close temporal relationship, argued that this vaccine-triggered auto-meaning reaction is happening. And you can see the picture here. You see on the first two slides as Pfizer's vaccine, the next one, third one's modern's vaccine. And you can see literally the finding the spike protein in the heart. not only is the messaging that tells the cell to make the spike protein causing inflammation, but the spike protein itself is causing the inflammation. So basically two out of three of the components, lipid nanoparticle is the third one.

They're all causing this inflammation. And so what are we doing here at ICANN? We're reporting on this, we're trying to get this out, but we're also working with informed consent action networks, legal team to get more information to the public on this. So we have the science. Here's one. CDC, we asked them, hey, can you tell us how long the spike protein is in the body? and you can tell us when it clears the body, we ask them that under a legal question, basically,

and they have no records found for that request. They cannot tell us. Now, this COVID vaccine is still being manufactured. They're updating, just like the flu shot, these new boosters for the fall immunization campaign. And so I can also ask, they're demanding full transparency on the safety data that's used by Moderna and Novavax on these COVID-19 vaccines. So the second we get this, the public will know, we will open source all of this information for any doctor, research, or scientists that wants to look at this and publish their own studies, and then we can get to this conversation where this vaccination should be paused. It definitely should be paused for children, should be paused for elderly people, everybody, until these things are worked out.

Because if we don't do it, what's going to happen is it will be built upon for something like, I don't know, food allergies. That's the next headline here. Future MRNA vat. vaccines may prevent food and seasonal allergies. So we go into this article and they quote Drew Weissman. Drew Weissman won the Nobel Prize for the MRNA vaccine technology. They quote him in Europe because he's the one working on this vaccine. He says this, quote, we saw M RNA vaccines save lives during the pandemic and as the most tested type of vaccine in history we know is the safest and most effective vaccine ever created.

All right, every one of those statements is essentially false. And the problem with using false statements is they're building the foundation upon the false statements to move forward. And this is Weissmann's study. And they're looking at this M RNA lipid nanoparticle platform as a therapy for allergies. Some may say allergies are some of the chronic conditions

that are created by vaccines. So now we're using vaccines to basically go against that. And it's interesting because in this study, just as a side note to finish with this, they challenge the mice. So they give the mice, this MRNA lipid nanoparticle and it's an OVA MRNA lipid nanoparticles. That's the Ova, ovabulum, it's part of the egg white shell.

And so they inject the mice with this, but then to challenge the mice, they give them an aluminum adjuvant. It says this in the study. It says sensitized with Ova protein mixed with aluminum adjuvant to elicit allergic reaction to see if the vaccine works. So that's interesting because the aluminum adjuvant is. riddled within the first year of the childhood schedule given to babies. So how interesting is that?

And now we're using vaccines with an MNA platform to combat allergies. Just a side note moving forward for those researchers out there that want to dig further into this. Unbelievable. For anyone watching for the first time, let me try to make that as simple as I possibly can. In order to create an allergy in this mice, they give them an egg protein, and they give them aluminum because in aluminum incites the immune system and makes that egg protein the enemy. And by doing that, you have an allergic reaction. That way, they can test if their new mRNA vaccine actually reduces that allergic reaction. Here is the news flash. Injecting aluminum

causes allergic reactions to proteins in your body. If you want to understand one of the major hypotheses of why we have food allergies, peanut allergies, all of these issues about allergies that is rampant in our children, the vaccines you're giving your kid have aluminum. They're trying. What they want to believe is that it's making your body feel like it's allergic to the protein so it'll incite your immune system to just attack that protein, this case, a virus. What they seem to not understand is what if your baby has a peanut protein or an egg protein or any other protein they ate, maybe even breast milk or whatever it is, you just told the body, every protein in your body right now when we just did this injection is your enemy. And now all of a sudden, I don't know why we have peanut allergies. You idiots, you're inciting the body to believe that the proteins in the body are allergic allergens based on this shot.

It's so obvious. And they do it right there and don't, they never put two and two together. It's mind-blowing. I'm just a reporter. I'm just a reporter. Let me make it clear. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor.

I'm just a man with some common, damn sense, like many of you watching. And we're going to continue to report like we have. Jeffrey, always a tour to force, really, really great reporting. And I just, I sit here and as much as we sort of laugh about how stupid some of this is, there are people that just still bowed down to this religion and just take it, they're going to listen to Gavin Newsom. They're going to believe that their children need this COVID shot. And I'm just, my heart goes out to those people that for whatever reason just are not getting this information. It's just why it's so important to get this movie far and wide.

It's such a simple film. It really does work to wake people up. We've got to save lives and we now have a tool to do it. Thank you, Jeffrey. Great reporting. All right. Thank you, Del. So, you know, I mean, every week we bring you the cutting edge information and the real science

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The United States is in a mental health crisis, according to the CDC. The U.S. Surgeon General calls it the defining public health crisis of our time. Mental health. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, one in five children and adolescents have a diagnosable mental health disorder. The nearly 40% of college students have depression and an average. half of them it's diagnosed as severe and 13% have had suicidal ideation. Studies show more young people are dying by suicide than ever before. Data shows suicide is a leading cause of death for children as young as 10 years old,

and youth suicide deaths have increased in recent years. The CDC reported that one in five high school students have seriously considered attempting suicide. Nobody should die by suicide. We can do a lot to prevent people from dying by suicide. Nearly 50,000 Americans died by suicide last year, more than any year on record. The United States is in a mental health crisis, according to the CDC. The U.S. Surgeon General calls it the defining public health crisis of our time, mental health. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, one in five children and adolescents have a diagnosable mental health disorder. Nearly 40% of college students have depression, and in half of them it's diagnoses.

as severe and 13% have had suicidal ideation. Studies show more young people are dying by suicide than ever before. Data shows suicide is a leading cause of death for children as young as 10 years old, and youth suicide deaths have increased in recent years. The CDC reported that one in five high school students have seriously considered attempting suicide. Nobody should die by suicide. We can do a lot to prevent people from dying by suicide. Nearly 50,000 Americans died by suicide last year, more than any year on record. Well, all too often, the headlines and the news, you know, are apart from us.

It's happening to someone else until suddenly it strikes your family. And in this case, when it comes to mental health, one of our own, one of our own family is joining me today to talk about her experience. I'm talking about Zen Honeycutt, the founder of moms across America. You've been such a crucial part of the work that we've done with the high wire and I can and cleaning up the food supply getting toxins out of the environment testing things. You've just been at the forefront of that, but you've been affected directly by this conversation. And so I just want to thank you for joining us today to talk about your experience. So what happened inside of your family in this issue? Well, thank you, Del, for having me on. I wanted to have this conversation. and really unpack what's happened to my family with you because of your experience with connecting with thousands of families across the country

who have had some very tragic things happen with them. And I know that you would have this conversation in a way that would really be supportive and make sense to a lot of people. And 79 days ago, my eldest son, my first born, Ben, took his own life and it was an incredible shock. He was one of the healthiest people, I know, and I'll go into his lifestyle in a bit. And through this experience, I've learned that there's a suicide every 11 minutes in America

today, every 40 seconds around the world. This is a massive epidemic of people being depressed. And that needs to change and we need to address it. And a lot of people don't talk about the cause of death when this type of thing happens and they retreat for a very long time. And I understand the reason for that. The pain is the most profound thing I've ever experienced. But it's also grief as a master teacher.

I've learned a lot. So I want to share the societal and the physical things that contributed to his death. And we have learned some very surprising things from test results that we got done on him, that I want to share this because I think it would make a difference with thousands and potentially millions of people across the country. I've known you for many years now. You've always talked about one of your children really got you into this issue of cleaning up our toxic environment, our food supplies.

Ben, Ben's your eldest, is that right? Yes. So when you've been talking about the work that you're doing, so Ben sort of starts your journey is that yes so so why was that like what was his issues as a child so well first of all I believed what the doctor said and he was almost fully vaccinated and he had a lot of health issues once we started vaccinating you know with seizures and allergies and you know a lot of autoimmune issues and he almost died from a pecan in the stuffing on Thanksgiving when he was five years old it came very close to that and there were several

when his allergic reactions were incredibly serious. And the interesting thing was when he was born, I had a voice, I heard a voice that said to me, he's going to be with you for a short while. He's on his way. And I wanted that to mean Khalil Gibran, you know, the poets, saying, you know, your children come through you, not to you. Your children are not your children.

Yeah, and so I thought, well, he's with us. Yeah, he's with us for a short while, and he's going to go on his way, he's going to be on a journey. But underneath, I think that Ben and I both had a knowing because Ben became extremely concerned with survival skills when he was about seven years old, and he became basically a survival skill expert. And when he was 14, he read the book,

How Not to Die and became a vegan. He wouldn't call it a vegan. He would have said a whole food plant-based diet person. But in his journey, he did become healthier. when we learned about GMOs and I started moms across America. Yeah. Because I saw him get better when he switched from non-GMO and then to all-organic. I saw the allergies decrease, the autoimmune issues decrease.

He didn't have to go to a doctor for 10 years for being thick. Wow. After having a very sensitive childhood. Yes. When he was very young, he was very sensitive. And then he switched to all-organic when he was about nine, about 10 years, maybe 10, 12 years old, 10 or 11 years old, and then he went completely vegan when he was 14. So he was incredibly healthy, and I never would have expected what happened to have happened.

He was very supportive in the work that I did. He became a speaker about the vegan diet. He called it whole food plant-based, because vegans can eat chips and soda, right? He didn't do that. He hardly ate any processed food. And when we went out to restaurants, he, when we went out to restaurants, he was, he was he would bring his own food. He would either drink water and not eat,

or he would bring his own food. He was the most strict person, maybe besides Robert Scott Bell, right? That I know to eat organic, right? He ate only organic for 10 years, and the only difference was, sorry, the only exception was Chipotle. He would eat occasional Chipotle maybe once a month

because they were non-GMOs, mostly organic, and we tested them and found that they had the lowest levels of pesticides. Okay. Good to have a mom like you, by you, by the way, go out in my mom, will you test this company? I like their burritos. Yeah, and he was on his own way too.

He was studying to become a nutritional scientist. Wow. In college, but he learned in college that what they were teaching him was, he called it garbage, and so he dropped out. And he lost his connection to community. He used to be a runner. He worked outside three to five hours a day

on a neighbor's organic farm. He did go to church for a while. He was a very critical thinker. and had either filtered water or well water that we had had tested. He was hardwired. He didn't hardly ever used his phone. He was infamous for not texting you back for days

because he just wasn't checking his phone. He was extremely strict about his lifestyle. And that's why this was so shocking. You know, he wanted to live to 120. He was working very hard to live a very clean diet. And what we learned in the past year before he, when he showed started to show signs of depression, I was like, okay, look, you've been so healthy, but it's been 10 years since you've had, you know, any kind of serious checkup.

Let's just get you checked up. I've heard that a vegan diet can lead to depression because of low cholesterol and, you know, other things. And he's like, okay, we'll just get a checkup. So I got dozens of tests on him. And what we found was very disturbing. And that was he did have very low cholesterol. And low cholesterol can lead to disruptions in the hormones and, you know, production of testosterone.

And so he did start eating some meat in the four months before he passed. But I don't think the changes were, you know, it was influential enough. And he did have low B vitamins. and he was taking yeast in order to give him the B vitamins, which led to Candida. And if you look up Candida at high levels of Candida, it directly says it can cause mental illness and suicide ideation. And the vegan diet also had, he had very low nutrients

in other types of nutrients, and he didn't really want to supplement. Very little supplementation besides the yeast, which is a food supplement. We also found high levels of heavy metals, and we know that they are in vaccines, right? Aluminum, and he had 26 parts per billion of aluminum in his heart blood, which is 25 is toxic.

And he had been drinking Fiji water for a year, which takes aluminum out of the body. So I think his levels before doing that would have been much higher, right? That's something that people should be very much aware of is that that aluminum can really impact the internal organs and the bodies. And he also had high levels of lead and cadmium,

other heavy metals. And the thing is, Dale, is that our government is not testing for heavy metals in our food. They're not testing for any heavy metals in the food except for applesauce, some baby food, and some candy. Like, I think it's just lead. Almost like everywhere they decide to look, they find it. Pretty much. I mean, it just seems like. Well, and they're not looking is the problem. Mountains across America has been doing a lot of testing, you know, school lunches, fast food, the cereals that we recently tested, also pesticides. The FDA is doing a terrible job at that. We recently found in our cereal testing

banned pesticide called Chlormaquois in 11 out of 14 of the cereals. It's been banned. But then the EPA loosened the restrictions recently, and they're allowing grains coming in from other countries to have chlormaquot on it. I don't know why we would do that. Totally.

Why would we allow foreign companies to poison our children? It's highly toxic to the reproductive organs. And we also found glyphosate in 13 out of 14 of the children's cereals, six out of seven of the organic cereals. So we are being exposed to chemicals in our food, even if it's organic, and that's part of the problem that I want to bring to people's attention today. Even though he ate organic men had glyphosate in his body,

he had DDT, which has been banned for 30 years. And as I mentioned, he had high levels of candida. He had high levels of heavy metals, once again. One of them is very surprising. It's called thalium. And thalium is a heavy metal that causes DNA breakage, which can lead to mental illness. And it's found in leafy greens.

Ben ate a giant bowl of leafy greens every day. Now, is it natural to a leafy grain, or is it something that's happening environmentally to leafy leavesy? Environmentally uptakes it, like kale. Kale, for instance, uptakes of the... Now, the thalium is a little... an industrial heavy metal as well. So it's also used as a tasteless poison, which I don't think is what happened to Ben because he was eating at home and brought his own food. But it could be

used in the food supply, a tasteless poison. This is one reason why I'm so adamant that we should be growing our organic food here and not depending on other countries because they could. That could be an avenue that they could do. 80% of the soy that we use in organic food is It's from the Middle East and it's from Turkey. What if they decided to poison us in that way, right? So I think we should reduce our dependency on- So you're talking about it being we should look at the food supply as a national security issue.

Yes, absolutely. We should reduce our dependency on foreign food. And I just want to mention that's one of the petitions that we have out right now is to fund small farmers here in America rather than just funding the big farmers who are shipping soy and corn to other countries to feed their livestock, right? We should be funding the small farmers here, so we reduce our dependency on foreign food, and we increase access to non-toxic nutrient-dense food in our schools, so we want to get that funding back.

Yeah. And so these, you know, these food issues all play into. It's very, very important to address these issues right now. So, yeah, and the glyphosate that we found in his body, I want to, um, draw its attention to the fact that it's connected to the low nutrients. I think I've mentioned this on previous show. Shows drift level exposure of glyphosate reduces the nutrient uptake into the chute, which is the plant that we eat by 80 to 95%.

And when you say drift level, you say not just spray on the crops, but even like a farm down the road just comes blowing across. Yes, drift level exposure of glyphosate to a crop reduces the nutrients in the crop by 80 to 95 Because you're saying your son Ben was very straight even though he moved into a vegan diet which isn't the diet I'm assuming that you No live with but he still kept it organic. He was very dedicated to that yes so he should have had the cleanest forms of the vegetables and things he was eating Yes, so he's like a case study for if somebody ate as clean as possible and the healthiest that they think you know thought was possible Right, but still had this type of tragic you know outcome and And the glyphosate is responsible for reducing the nutrients.

You have to have proper nutrients in your body in order for your bodily functions and your brain to work. He had very low nutrients, I believe, contributed to the glyphosate exposure. Also, glyphosate causes the growth of aspergillus in crops. In the Midwest right now, we have an epidemic of mycotoxins in the crops. And glyphosate has been proven to increase the growth of aspergillus. Aspergillus, the byproduct of that is mycotoxins like aflotoxins. toxin, okra toxins, and xenolone. And these toxins have been proven to cause mental illness.

And that's happening in our crops right now, and no one is testing for it or sharing about it. And I don't know if you've a lot of people, you've brought up mold exposures, right? It's not just from in the homes. It's from beans and wheat and grains. And I believe, Del, this is why so many people feel good on the carnivore and the keto diet.

It's because of mycotoxins. And so there's definitely more studies that need to happen there. But Ben ate two cans of beans every day. And a lot of these beans are imported from China, and we know that China does not have good regulatory standards. So I would call for further testing from imports from China with mycotoxins, heavy metals, and maybe even that's where the DDT came from, you know, is from imported organic food, which is a major problem.

we are importing the majority of our organic food. So very, you know, very important issues. And then also all of this exposure, you know, the heavy metals, the mycotoxins, the pesticides, is compounded in somebody who has a mutated or a variant called the MTFHR genes and other, there's several other variants. And Ben had those.

Right. And I did not. And so my understanding of that is just they, they don't have the same ability to detoxify, right? simply put, just sort of lack that, you know, methylation ability. Yes, and it's not like really anything's wrong with them. Like some people get freckles and some people don't, right?

It's just a gene, it's just a status of their genes. And the thing is, is that even Kaiser Permanente says that 30% of Chinese women have this particular, you know, MTAVR gene variant, I'm half Chinese. 25% of Hispanics have that particular one, and 15% of Caucasians. But there are several gene variants that can impact a person's ability to detoxify.

And the fact is, most of us do not know if our children or if we have these variants. If they knew, like especially at birth, if they knew, if I had known that my son had these variants at birth, I never would have gotten them vaccinated. Because these vaccines on the market today contain toxins that make it very difficult

for a baby's body to, to process and your new movie, you know, the inconvenience study, makes it very clear that there are children who are negatively impacted by getting this barrage of vaccines and an immune system. You know, I haven't done a super deep dive on MTHFR, but it is, from the moment I started traveling with VACS, it's the thing that so many parents of vaccine injured children, it's sort of a common thread, which is they,

They all say we're double N PHA bar, meaning came from both mom and dad, passed on to the child. And, you know, I always, I always want to be cautious about thinking there's like one smoking gun that can answer everything. But it certainly is an area of exploration. We should be taking very seriously. It is something, seems to be a commonality amongst people that are whose children are suffering. And, you know, just to bring autism, which isn't necessarily the issue you're talking about. But he was on the spectrum. Okay, so he was on the spectrum.

But one of the things that when people ask me, you know, what is it you've learned about autism? I mean, I'm a journalist. I'm not a doctor. But what I will say is that it does appear that autism is just an overload of toxins that can't, that eventually, you know, lead to an encephalopathy, a brain swelling event, that whenever it subsides results in some form of a symptom, sometimes autism could be. a light version, I think the speculation could be ADHD or Tourette's or all of these, you know, neurodevelopmental, you know, disorders. And the question is, is it just because we live in such a toxic environment? And I'll be the first to say, I don't think vaccines are the, no, they're not the only cause of autism. I've meant just in the last month, I've had, you know, three or four parents come up and say,

we didn't vaccinate our kids, our child's autistic. But as you know, and you've reported better than anyone else, I mean, what is it, 260-something toxin, like chemicals in the umbilical cord of pregnant women now in America? Yeah, our children are being inundated by these toxins. And it's exactly right. I don't want to imply in any way that autism is a genetic, that autism is caused by genetic reasons. There are genetic implications, right, in having these. Disceptibilities.

And just because you have it doesn't mean you're going to get it. autism. It's the environmental toxins and that burden that leads to it and it's not just autism but it's mental illness and it's depression and which can lead to suicide and violence by the way aggression right it can lead to aggression which can harm other people. Well because I mean you know as you're just talking about it not only you're talking about depleting you know all the nutrients we should be getting which are you know the process of being human beings we've lived on these vitamins and minerals and if they're not there our bodies don't know what we're

doing then on top of that many of the things you're talking about especially glyphosate is then you know an antibiotic or you know chemical that's destroying our gut biome so the biome that would you know help pull these nutrients into our body that's being is is is being dysregulated so it's not functioning so you have a depleted food supply a depleted gut biome that's not is not even good at pulling vitamins if it was there and you had this perfect storm is what I think you're talking about in your son who is focused on all of these things I mean I think that's what's the cautionary tale here is we're not talking about Coca-Cola drinking Dorito you know McDonald's you know teenager or young

man you're talking about someone like it's like I am making sure that I and I'm being really careful I'm the son of Zen Honeycutt He was the strictest, yes, he was the strictest. He was more strict than I was about it. But there's all kinds of studies. You mentioned glyphosate recent. There's a brand new study. It's so new.

The publishing date says November of 2025 in the journal. And it's just came out. I just got it from Stephanie Seneff today. And it shows that prenatal exposure to glyphosate at dietary levels causes disruptions in the microbiome, like you just mentioned, impacting the immune system, the metabolic system, and behavioral issues, which is exactly what we've been saying for 13 years now.

And this is why glyphosate needs to be banned. It needs to at least be reduced and not be sprayed as a drying agent on crops. So I'm gonna talk a little bit now about the calls to action. You don't mind for this. Yeah. Because that's why, I don't wanna say that's why it happened,

but that's what Ben would want. He would want people to look at the science. He was rigorous about that. He would want us to do something about it. In fact, he said that in the original, in the beginning when we got started around GMOs, he said, Mom, GMOs aren't even really the problem. The problem is that people think they can't do something about it.

So I want people to know that they can do something about this. And we have some calls to action on our website. One of them is to petition the EPA once again. I'm going to be meeting with them very soon. Okay. And to petition the EPA, so please sign it because we're meeting with them Monday. Right now, where do we go to sign that?

Momsacrossamerica.org and click on action. Okay. And we have a petition page there. Okay. And we're petitioning the EPA to look at the connections between glyphosate and mycotoxins and we will be bringing up this brand new study. They have to reduce the exposure of glyphosate to our children.

We cannot make America healthy again. with the continued exposure of glyphosate that we're having right now. So please go do that. I'm really defending that product, too, I have to say. It's one of the things that's been very frustrating. You've worked with all of us very hard to get Robert Kennedy Jr. into HHS Secretary, but it certainly seems like he's been sidelined on this. It doesn't fall under HHS.

EPA and USDA are sort of out of his control. And it feels to me like the administration is siding with the concern of farmers. I mean, many of the senators say, just don't touch our farming, you know, and that means we want to be able to spray this stuff all over all of our crops. So it's one of the sort of, I feel, like, concessions Bobby's had to make, which is I've got to get everything else done. But we're really suffering here. I mean, so much the work that you've been doing, we thought, geez, hopefully we can impact this. Well, the problem is he's not the head of the EPA. Right.

But, you know, it needs to be pointed out that Trump used the words pesticides, autoimmune disease and cancer on his presidential platform. So we, many of us, put him in office because we expected there to be results on pesticides. And the current EPA is not owning up to that. In fact, they're lowering, potentially lowering the regulations on PFOS. They're saying that atrazine doesn't impact endangered species and we know that it chemically castrates frogs.

Well, how about the endangered species being our own species? I mean, I mean, if we can't care about other animals, Why are we doing this to our own species? You're right. I mean, Bobby's gotten in a lot of trouble talking about frogs changing, you know, their gender. Look it up. Tyrone Hayes study, look it up, we've known this about 30 years. So the EPA has to do a better job.

So we're petitioning them, and we're petitioning the HHS slash FDA regarding better regulation of heavy metals in the food supply, mycotoxins, and pesticides. Like, they're not even testing for paraquot, diquot. They've been in the food supply for 40 years. They're not even regulating for these banned pesticides. Pesticides that have been banned in other countries. They're not doing their job on regulation. If there's any administration that's going to do anything about that,

it would be this administration. Well, especially the administration and saying, Hey, Bobby, make America healthy again. Well, it can't really do it if you're fixing these things. In the back door, there's just, you know, toxic sludge rolling into everyone's food supply. It's not fair. It's going to really undermine the ability to get to the body.

ability to get to the bottom of these issues. Yeah, so they have to do a better job there. And, you know, one concern is that most of the new pesticides that are being up for approval with this EPA are PFOs pesticides. Wow. So that's why they want to reduce the regulations because they want to spray PFS all over our crops. Oh, my God. So, yeah, so there's just some really insane things that are happening right now.

The chemical companies are pushing very, very hard, and we need to speak up about it. So we're petitioning the HHS and FDA as well. And then the third petition on our website is a letter that we want people to send to their senators and their representatives because we want there to be newborn testing. They already are doing testing for rare genetic disorders, right, at a newborn. It's called a Heel Prick newborn screening test. Why not add the MTFHR and the other gene variant tests to find out whether or not that baby has these particular gene variants, which would empower the parents and their decision making

about whether or not to get that baby vaccinated. If that baby has the MTFHR genes and other variants that impair their ability to detox, that parent has a right to know and should be informed about what could happen, right, if they vaccinate with these toxins that are in vaccines right now. I never would have done, right? And then the other thing is to include toxin testing,

as we mentioned with the placentas, right, 130 something different chemicals in the placenta. Well, what about what's in the baby right now? And wouldn't that inform the parents on should they give them formula that might potentially have high levels of aluminum or lead or arsenic in it? So we believe that this type of testing, which could be funded by the government, of course, it would be private. I mean, anyone's saying, my kid's good with arsenic and lead. We're not empty to far, but you know, I get your point. You should know if you have a definite susceptibility here or you know that could put you at a higher risk you should know that and parents would make very different choices if they knew at birth what

status of toxins were in their babies and what their their gene variants were and of course the gene test genetic testing would be completely private to the parents but we would invite there to be an opt-in for the toxin testing for us to find out like for instance what if in New Jersey where the the autism levels are one out of 14 or in California the autism levels are one out of 12 what if we found out that there were particular chemicals in the states, right? That were contributing to that.

That would empower the entire country. So we really, we know when Bobby called for transparency, I want to call for transparency. So we have on our website a total transparency toxin testing opportunity. We've partnered with Kendall McIntosh, who is a licensed nutritionist, the highest level of nutrition you can get.

And I personally went to her when I, you know, when what happened to Ben happened, and asked her for a review of all of his test results. And she gave me a massively comprehensive report forensic testing on his testing and made it completely clear to me how his diet impacted the toxins that were in his body and his mental health state.

And so we've partnered with her to offer discounted testing to people to get their toxic burden levels tested if they want to add allergies and parasite and bacteria all of that. I think it's the most important thing. So do you have on your website what I need to test for? Like okay, all right, very good. It's super helpful because it's just, it's so daunting now. And how do I find a doctor that doesn't look at me like I'm crazy when I, you know, say,

and you don't need to pay, in some cases, 450 for a doctor to go get these tests. Right? You can order through her and she can do a consultation with you. And I did that. I paid for that. I'm not saying, I'm not just saying this. I paid for it. I experienced her expertise.

It's extraordinary. She's very caring. and very thorough. And this testing, I think, is the most... She's probably about to be buried, by the way, just that sure our audience is going to be like, Zand, what have you done to be? Okay.

She needs to get... This needs to happen. And I want to say that I took out money from my children's college funding to pay for this testing. It is a couple thousand dollars if you get the whole shebang. But at least spend the amount

on the total toxin testing, which is, I think it's $9.95, something like that. And because I could see, and what has happened is two out of three of my children are not going to college because of their mental health status, because of the toxins in their bodies. So I think the most important thing we can do is find out what are the toxin levels in our bodies, get that total transparency for your family, and then take the steps to do something about it. Detox, right? Find out what works best for your body to be able to detoxify. So we've got the three petitions on our website and a total transparency toxin testing that we hope people will go to and take part in and help to prevent these types of tragedies happening in their families. I'm so sorry, Zana.

I really, you've always, you've just been so transparent with your whole life, your experience talking about your son from the beginning and why you do the work that you do. I know, I know part of this story is around the vegan diet. And I, you know, I'm sort of a hypothesis on this right now because it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to me that these sort of like all-meat carnivore, whatever you call it, would be so successful, would be so much different. And because I just, you know, I was a vegetarian for years and years and years, but like decades ago. and I always say ultimately ended up becoming like a carbitarian or a junkitarian. It was like it was like pizza and cheese. I wouldn't say I give it the best test run, but still, it doesn't make sense that eating vegetables would be so harmful. Or, you know, in support of my thinking, when you see all these people that have massive autoimmune disease

that are really getting rid of it by just going with a straight carnivore diet, I'm just like, how would that, how could that possibly be right, except that I feel like maybe our environment is so toxic, our plants and vegetables, have you said even the, you know, the drift of glyphosate is getting onto all of our crops that maybe, especially these ruminant animals with the three stomachs that they're processing, they must be processing out a lot of the toxic effects so that, you know, and in, in In the end, when I think about it now, I still think more, we're just, it's just the translation of sun energy and simulation to our body. We're going to get the sun energy through a green plant, you know, that you did photosynthesis or an animal that then takes that and processes it for us. I hear the arguments. Those animals have done that processing better so it's more bioavailable.

All of that's very interesting. But I would certainly think that these toxins that are on our plants now and seem to be unavoidable. I spoke with someone that was a part of it. a great baby food company that, you know, got out in for having heavy metals. And they said to me, Dell, it's impossible. You can't make a product that has any plant life in it and not have lead and arsenic. And it's everywhere. It's in our air. It's getting all over. You can go to the best organic farmers in the world. And that's sort of what you're saying. And it's not even that at first when I heard it, I thought, oh, the organic companies are lying. They're not lying.

they're doing the best they can to have the cleanest farms, but there's overspray, this pollution, the air, there's the water, all of it is still contaminating our food supply. So I don't know. I just, I don't want to disparage any specific, you know, health decision or certainly diet, but it does seem to me there must be a reason beyond just meat's better than vegetables. Is it just we have such a toxic environment

that the meat eaters right now, have a process that is getting rid of some of that for them in the animal reading. Yeah, I think that they're, I mean, and I'm not a doctor, but from what I'm seeing, the test results I've reviewed, it's that the gut dysbiosis has increased so much across our nation, in particular, in America, that people can't process certain things. For some people, it's a FODMAPS diet, right? They can't process garlic and onions and, you know, lectins, you know, nightshades. Some people can't process, you know, grains or vegetables, right? The vegetables are just too hard for their stomach to break down.

Some people are just going keto and eating carnivore because I believe the mycotoxins and potentially heavy metals in these other foods just makes them feel terrible. And so they feel better when they eat meat. Now, are there going to be health implications down the road for people who are only eating meat, right? There might be, right? We don't know yet, but it's for sure,

the extremes that are having. happening in our diet, I think are a result of the extremes of toxins that we've been exposed to because our ancestors ate a very diet. Look at the Weston A Price Foundation diet for nutrition. That is what I would direct people towards. A balanced diet of, you know, seafood and meats and animal products and raw milk, which is how our ancestors, what they survived off of, and vegetables and fruits and, you know, all of that. It's a balance. A lot of fermentation, too. of fermentation. Part of that.

Yeah, because of the bacteria. Yeah. So all of that, okay, your son's biome, like his, he's toxic, he's trying to not be, and is somehow more toxic than you would have imagined. But were there also, you know, life conditions, school, social conditions? I mean, my kids are just, you know, my son is turning 16. about to go up to college in a couple years here and I'm concerned what is what's happening in the university what's happening with friends the the fact that you know a lot of

video games is is now at these social time I mean you know I've got my kids playing sports and things but they live in this world where we would just go over to the friends house so we'd go out to park we'd ride bikes they just that world doesn't really exist their social time is when they're talking to each other on video games and I'd I hate it, but if I take it away, they've got no social time. You know what I mean? So that dilemma, but are there factors about those things that you looked at too that must have contributed? Very important to mention, yeah.

And I do want to mention that the diet and the levels of toxins in his body, the levels of toxins in his body may be fine for other people. For other people without these gene variants, they could possibly just process them out and they would be fine. So the organic diet is still, I believe, the most important thing to do. Great, good point. And just get tested consistently to know what your levels are and what you need to do to detox more. And in addition, the societal factors are very daunting right now. I'm very glad you brought that up because Ben was an avid follower of what was going on in the world. He watched the wire every day.

He followed Charlie Kirk. He was adamant that the direction that this country was going in was not the right direction. And he was going to church for a while, but they had some misunderstandings on some ideas. He was a huge proponent of the Second Amendment and the churchgoers there. I don't know, there was something that he disagreed with them about. And he was going to college to be a nutritional scientist. And what they told him, he said, was garbage. So he dropped out of college.

So he lost his connection to church. He lost his connection to college. He stopped running after a while. And what he saw was going on in the society was it was over sexualized. He was in alignment with Charlie Kirk's family values of waiting until you're married for that. And he wanted to provide for a family and his children. And he saw that everything was so expensive.

He said, Mom, I don't know how I'm going to be able to make enough money to provide for for a family. He was... That's a huge thing we hear about. I think it's why, you know, when you see this sort of push towards a socialist, you know, a democratic socialist, communist, and college students is they just don't see a future where they're going to be able to afford anything. So the government might as well take care of me because I just don't see how I'm going

to be able to buy a house. Bobby Kennedy talked a lot about that, that his kids and he think they're up, you know, if a family should be able to be doing really well. And he would say, almost none of my kids have. have houses and can't imagine owning one. And from a, like, primitive, masculine perspective, that is destructive to a man's confidence and perspective on themselves.

For a man to think that he can't provide for a family is extremely depressing. I mean, you just, you lose all hope. And Ben taught me that there's five things that are essential for survival. It's air, water, food, shelter, and the last one is hope. And the fact is that from a societal perspective,

Ben lost hope. And that's happening to a lot of young people, especially young men today, they've lost hope because their society is too expensive, it's too over-sexualized, it's too materialistic. It's, you know, especially young men are getting, you know, the whole toxic masculinity thing, they're getting bashed left and right.

Everything on media is that the men are stupid, and the women are smarter, it's, you look at, watch anything on Netflix, it's completely demolishing to the male, you know, to their, to the male persona, you know, it's, it's very destructive. So we need a shift in our society today. And I don't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk has said, but I'm very happy to see that there's a, like a revival of family values, of community and connection. And I think that if there's anything that people take away from this, besides getting tested and finding out what's going on your body and taking action, it's to get connected to community. You know, I was just up in New York and we were talking about this. Someone was saying, there's no social world dating, it's hard, you know, all these things.

And I said, it's one of the things we love about Texas, you know, Sunday morning, you go to church, they literally have to have police escuels. was blocking off entire lanes. Really? As you pass the churches, there are thousands of people in each one, and you can choose the one, and you go in, and you see the whole family there. I mean, and I'm, you know, the church that my wife and I go to

is, I don't know, 3,000 people each service, and it's not, I don't remember that in California. I don't remember that. New York certainly don't see that in Colorado. Not trying to make a religious push here, but there is something. to having that family connection. You're all together on a day.

You're doing something together. You're sitting there with your family. You're going to lunch afterwards. We've really gotten too distant from that natural family experience, family values, and however you have to get back to it, I think that that's just a really great message. Yeah, and I wanna thank everybody in the community

that supported me and my family. The response to the gifts and go was extraordinary. Funerals are insanely expensive. That's probably a whole nother issue. It's a racket. And so without the support of the community, that would have been extremely difficult for us. Also the testing that we did, we spent thousands of dollars

to get additional testing on his body. And we just hope that the results will make a difference for people. Well, your family, Zan, I want to thank you for having the courage to share you know this very important story we all have kids we're seeing the world around us and you know it says to me we I got a double down I got to really look at our diet with our kids right now I think it probably is a good time before my kids leave the house let me test where they're you know where their

toxic levels are at so that maybe we can get them in balance before they're out of the house and I'll have we all we all deserve to know the truth yeah and that truth starts with us and we are the best investment to make it It's us, it's ourselves. And that information, I know some people might be concerned about, oh, if I get tested, somebody's gonna get the information, either genetics or otherwise. I think the cost of not having that information

is far greater than any risk that there might be from somebody having access to my son's zeros and ones, right? It's just a bunch of zeros and ones. Like for instance, we found out that genetically, he couldn't absorb coline well through plants. So he really should not have been a vegan, at least maybe a vegetarian, right? You know, he should have been eating eggs. And so at one point he did start doing that, but I think it was for far too long.

Yeah. You know, he didn't eat those foods. So getting the information about what's happening in your body and your family and making those changes to prevent tragedy is, I think it's the best thing that we can do right now. Well, we're going to continue to continue to do. We're going to continue to support the brilliant work you're doing. Thank you. I'm so sorry about this experience that your family's been through.

But I do believe God works in mysterious ways. And obviously, Ben was on a mission. It's, you know, clearly you're now on a mission to work, you know, even more diligently at this. We have a lot of work to do. This food supplies a disaster. And it's our future hanging the balance. So I just want to thank you for once again sharing your time. with us today. Thank you, Del. I appreciate it so much. If you want any information,

certainly on diet, what you can do, petitions to sign, how to get testing on your child. Go to momsacrossamerica.com. Is that right? Momscrossamerica.com's in is the best. And by the way, why you donate while you're there, let's continue to have this great work done. I mean, she's testing the food supply for us. No government, she's not a government agency. She's not spending taxpayer money. She needs support just like we do. We really need you to start voting with your dollars. We've got to take control these situations ourselves.

We cannot just wait for Robert Kennedy Jr. to try to make it through the cesspool of government and get something done. Moms Across America is one of our favorite groups to team up with. So anyway, thank you for all of your support. I know you're going to go and check out Moms Across America. But if you want to support the work that we do here, we have the terrorists, of course.

on the high road and if you want a brick or a bench or to be a part of that and really you know make your claim to the truth here on our campus that opportunity is still available to you and this is my favorite brick of the week well it's show day and i'm walking the walkway to get to the studio as we speak but this is my favorite brick of the week god bless the bearers of truth as they walk the high road with love mpbr mississippi moms mississippi parents for back It's what MPVR stands for. It truly is. Everyone on this WAPLA are the bearers of truth.

So let's go do this show, shall we? Well, you know, everyone does their part. You're guided, you know, what you have to do in this mission. What we try to say in the high wire is you're critical right now. I think we were all born at this time for a reason. We're given tools. Maybe it's sheer dumb luck that I met Dr. Marcus Zervos. Maybe it's pure coincidence that he decided that maybe I will do a study that no one else is doing.

And maybe it's accidental that Senator Ron Johnson gets his hands on that study and finds a way to publish it when no one else could. And maybe it's just by chance that I have a team talented enough around me that we can make a film as powerful as this, is as fast as it is. Maybe it's just a coincidence that you happen to see this on social media and you're watching this show today, or maybe we're a part of something much bigger. But whatever it is, it's in our hands. It's in our hands right now.

And we're going to live for these next decades, most of us, next decade or two or three, depending on how old you are, and we're going to see the transformation of the world that we once knew, it is changing radically quickly. And those changes could be good, they could be brilliant, they could be life-giving, and they could be filled with light and bringing light to the world. Or they could be very serious and really begin to press more and more and suppress. One thing is for sure, if you just sit back and watch, then however this turns out, if it doesn't work out, you'll have to ask yourself, what could I have done?

And so this week, again, we are really, we want an inconvenient study to be seen by everybody. We are getting reports. I want to be clear. We are getting reports that some of you are reaching out to us saying I cannot seem to be able to share the post that Dell put out on, you know, whether it's Instagram or X, or I don't know what's happening there. I'm not going to make any accusations of these large conglomerates, but there's a chance. Maybe the algorithms aren't working our favor. Go figure because we've never seen that happen before.

But don't give up. I don't want to hear you say, well, I couldn't share it. Then go to the website. Go to Inconvenient Study. You can download it or you can just take that link and you can text it to your friends. You can call them and talk to them on the phone and just say very simply, go to an inconvenient study. com. Tell your friends, share it, have a screening at your house.

Whatever it is, we don't get tools like this very often. Frankly, I haven't seen a tool that deserve my attention like this since vaxed and the story around Dr. William Thompson. This is the first time I've made a film really at this level since then because I thought this again has an ability to get a story across very simply, understandably, that can really move people's lives. We are getting calls every day of brand new people saying, okay, I'm listening. I didn't believe this. But since COVID or since something happened to my friend's child or, you know, and certainly since I saw this movie, I'm taking this seriously now. So please.

And by the way, send a link to your representatives right now. Seriously, find out who your senator is, who your congressperson is, your state representatives, your federal representatives, and say, this is what matters. I want to see vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies done by our government agencies. This is a battle. We're fighting a war for truth right now. And we have a window where we're winning. The wind is at our backs.

You know, I've always said about life, you know, when I think about people say, like, what motivates you? I always think of it like if I was a bike racer. If I was a bike racer, I wouldn't try to win on the uphill. You know what I mean? The Coors classic where they're going up the side of the mountain at like three miles an hour and sometimes they see someone that you can just really somehow, you know, gain that extra five feet, which counts. It's not where I win the race.

You know when I win the race is when we get to the top of that mount and we're going down the other side. Once I have momentum, you know what I am? I'm crazier than anybody else. I'm going to push it to the limit. I'm going to risk every turn. I'm going to go fast. I don't care if there's gravel. I don't care because I hate it when I have to work so hard I can barely move. But once I have momentum, once I've got that wave, once we are got it behind us and we're going downhill, I give it everything. It's all in line. We are in the downhill right now. Just let go with the brakes. Let it loose. Put that thing in the biggest chain gear you can and just drive that thing as fast as you can. This is our moment to win this race. This is our moment to seize the day. They do not come that often.

Please make this a moment, make this a week. Share an inconvenient study with 10 people that would never watch it, would never have seen it. Don't go for the easy, low-hanging fruit now. Let's step it up. Millions have seen it. We see it in our social media. Our thought bubbles got this.

The algorithms got it inside of our space. Help me get it outside. Help me get it across the world. Think about 10 people. you can send it to and say, you know what? This documentary has a very interesting question. If vaccines are making our kids healthier, where is the study that proves that? You may want to check out this documentary because that's the question it's asking. I hope you'll join us. I hope you'll help donate and funds so we can keep doing things like this and fighting these lawsuits that are also going to change the world. But most importantly, I hope that you'll do what you're guided to do, that voice inside of that says, you know what you should do?

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