The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 452: SPECIAL PRESENTATION: AN INCONVENIENT STUDY

Episode Date: November 29, 2025

During this special Thanksgiving Presentation of ‘An Inconvenient Study,’ Del shares heartfelt testimonials from people deeply moved by the film, along with never-before-seen moments from the Malibu Film Festival Q&A — where the film won top honors just over a month ago. Today, we also want to thank our supporters for making this movement possible. Wishing you and your family a warm and Happy Thanksgiving.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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All right, everyone, we ready? Yeah! Let's do this. Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the high wire. And for everybody here in the United States of America, happy Thanksgiving. I want to give a shout out to all of you and just say how thankful I am for you

and all of the work we've done together sharing the high wire with everyone you know. And if you're brand new, if you're family members, have you sitting down today because we're about to show a that is going to blow your mind. It's an inconvenient study. It's a film that has swept the world and been watched by nearly 50 million people now. And the study itself done by Henry Ford Health, unpublished, and you'll find out why in the movie

is actually jump-starting the scientific discussion around the safety of vaccines all around the world. We've been getting our inbox is filled. Our emails are filled. Our real mailbox is filled. and text messages filled with people saying this movie changed my life and I love this film

I've finally been able to help other people understand some of the things that I've been thinking about but don't just take my word for it here's some of the people saying it themselves I thought the film was masterful I think that it was powerful it re-energized me the premiere was amazing it was something

that has been long overdue I think it's wonderful what you're doing to open people's minds And that is the most difficult thing right now to open people's mind to hearing what's actually happening. You have what I think should be a landmark study that should literally change our practice around vaccinations. That the lead author doesn't want to publish. Why doesn't you want to publish? Because that's the state of medicine today.

You heard it right out of the horse's mouth. I mean, you can't deny what he was saying. It was all captured on film. To have a study of that caliber from the Henry Ford Institute, of course, wasn't published, but the fact that Dell's getting that out to the world, I think holds a lot of weight with people because they want to know the data's there. I just hope it really gets out to the masses like it needs to because people that don't understand or think this is new information, they need to understand how long and deep this has been going on.

Why does it take so long? Will this be enough to get people knocked off center and make a decision that helps and saves children? and save the world. I would definitely recommend the film to anyone that has no knowledge about vaccines and thinks vaccines are absolutely wonderful. They're not. Hopefully this is the start of, it's the question. It opens the door, the wedge put in the door, that we can now start researching more

and having more of the truth get out there. It spoke to me because it finally supports and communicates a moment. and communicates a message that I've been trying to get to the public. And so I'm probably the film's biggest fan. I just want to thank I can Dell for the work. Everybody here does. I mean, it's amazing. They are up against some tough battles and they don't back down.

So as a parent, as someone that works in this field, I appreciate it. All right. Well, it's time to watch an inconvenient study. Maybe you've watched it already one time before. At the end of this, we're going to show the Q&A that happened at the Malibu, film festival when we won Best of Festival with this film just over a month ago. I want to give a shout out to the Malibu Film Festival that shot this film and catapulted it into the incredible viral sensation it's been. But as you watch this movie, there's just a couple

things I want you to think about. A lot of times we get into debates with people and we bludgeon them with science and we push them away or even sometimes we attack each other. I want you to recognize that the only reason this study ever happened and the only reason this dinner took place between Dr. Marcus Zervos and I is because I developed a relationship. I want to have conversations that could maybe move the needle together. Of course, in the first conversation we ever had, I asked him, will you do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study and put this entire conversation to bed? That's the heart of this entire film.

If we don't do placebo trials to establish safety, is there any other way to figure out what's going on with the health of our children, the sickest we've ever seen? them. Well, without further ado, I cover all of those issues, and I want to thank my incredible team that made this film happen. We're really proud of it, and I hope you enjoy it. This is an inconvenient study. Hi, I'm Del Bigtree, executive producer of an inconvenience study, and founder and CEO of Informed Consent Action Network. I can't. What you're about to see is one of the most important stories I've ever told. It's a story of a top infectious disease expert. a study that might have never seen the light of day, and shocking data that could change everything we think we know about childhood health.

When the credits roll, I'll be back to share how you can help us deliver an inconvenient study to every corner of the globe. Thank you for being here, and now I hope you enjoy the film. Children struggling every day with ADHD. Scott's allergies made it hard to keep up with his friends. Allergic reactions from accidental food exposure. Moderate to severe eczema. Plaxoriasis. Rheumatoid arthritis.

Food allergies. Allergies. Seizure. Nasma. Ibs. Lupus. Idi. We are now the sickest country in the world.

is in crisis. A huge rise in chronic conditions in kids, 17 and under. More than 40% of American children now have at least one chronic health condition. Autoimmune disease like rheumatoid arthritis, humanoid diabetes, lupus, Crohn's disease, all this

IBS. I had eczema, asthma, all but out. Allergies, stomach issues. This is to me, the one that gets me. Just a few decades ago, one in 10,000 children had autism. Today, it's one in 31. ADD, ADHD. Ph.D. Speech, language, tick, Tourette, syndrome, narcolepsy, sleep disorders, ASD, autism.

But there's no way in the world that these kind of rapid increases in the incidence of disease could be genetic. Genetic change takes generation centuries to play up. What's really causing our kids of this generation to be so chronically sick? What the heck is happening? America is the sickest nation in the industrialized world. It is now believed that over 54% of our kids have a chronic disease, either a neurological disorder or an autoimmune disease. That's up from only 12.8% back in the 1980s.

In roughly 40 years, we have seen the greatest decline in human health ever recorded. What if I told you? There is a study that could shed light on this chronic disease. disease epidemic, but no major medical institutions seemed willing to do it. What if I told you there was one scientist brave enough to conduct this study? What if I told you that when the study was finished, that scientist was too afraid to publish it? What would you do? Maybe you would do what I did. I got hidden cameras and recording equipment, and I went to ask him why.

I want to show you a video. Okay. Curious of what your reaction to this. Okay. Just hit play here? Yeah. Go ahead and press play that. What was the most shocking thing?

Because, I mean, I know what I've seen. No, no, I thought it was important. It was, it was, it's important information because of, uh, of, you know, it did show a difference between the groups. We have some serious issue. I actually agree with that. If I can't get this study out of them, what Pope is there for every kid in the future? I don't want to say it's not the right thing.

It's the right thing to do, but I just don't want on it. I mean, I'm obviously, like, really rational. Sick. It's really sick. Publishing something like that, might as well retire, I'd be finished. So who was that guy? Zerva was probably going to lose this job over this. You know, I'm thinking before we get into the study and Dr. Zervos and all that, why don't we just take it all the back to how this actually started? I've been a medical journalist for almost 20 years now.

My first 10 years was at CBS. And the last eight years or so, I've had my internet news show called The High Wire. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are. But the biggest change in my career happened when I produced a documentary about vaccinations called Vaxed. And at the center of that documentary was a whistleblower from the CDC named Dr. William Thompson. He came forward in 2015 and said that they were committing scientific fraud on the vaccine safety studies. Well, that film blew up and became a worldwide sensation, mostly because we got so much bad press, starting with being kicked out of the Tribeca Film Festival.

The decision to run a controversial documentary about vaccines has Robert De Niro at the center of a big screen back. Tonight, the film festival Robert De Niro started under fire, a controversial new film that many are characterizing as anti-vaccine. I think the movie is something that people should see. There was a backlash which I haven't fully explored. I want to know the truth, and I'm not anti-vaccine. I want safe vaccines. Vax producer Del Bigtree says canceling the screening amounts to a suppression of the truth. I can't imagine what type of pressure came down that would make them pull a movie that they were obviously behind in the beginning.

The message from the medical community is clear. This is one of those scientific questions where science has provided any answer. Vax ended up being one of the most controversial documentaries in history. And because of that, there were lines down the block everywhere we went. Look at this crowd behind me. Look at this line goes on and on and on. In fact, the very first day we screened at Angelica Film Center in New York, I wanted to know why there's this giant line down the block. What are these people here for?

Can every parent or someone, you know, if you have a family member with Austin, would you please stand up right now, like to see? Three quarters of the room stood up. I remember feeling like the air just got sucked out of the room. I had no idea that there was this many people suffering from this issue. I ended up asking that question. three screenings a day, five days a week, for an entire year. And every single time, three quarters of the room stood up.

I realized I had stumbled on something absolutely massive. Hello, everybody. This is Jamie. Jamie's 13th. Can you guys both tell us your names? Stephanie. And this is Zion. After the screenings, parents of injured children were inspired to tell their own stories.

We set up video cameras and started interviewing everybody that wanted to talk. And what I discovered is it wasn't just autism, and it wasn't just the MMR vaccine. There was an ocean of vaccine injury, and nobody was talking about it. Doctor says, well, do you on the flu vaccine? I was like, might as well do it now. I gave in, I did polio. I gave her me the head BVACs. She got the two-month shots.

Detail, the MMR vaccine. By 10.30, that morning. She was arching her back, glitching her fists. I didn't think I was going to cry. That night, we were in the hospital with the 106-degree fever. He began to project her vomit. He began to this loud pitch scream. Like, that's when the blood prettling screams started.

I did not lay down for 10 months straight because she would vomit and asphyxiate. She would vomit and amyxiate. would vomit and night and she would lie there while she was asleep and she would choke on it. When we had that vaccination, he lost all language. He just stopped talking. He wasn't talking. He didn't want a nurse.

He went to not talking at all. He was developing really well, except for motor skills. He's got chronic allergies. An eczema rash. Food protein integritis syndrome. She couldn't eat anything on the glycemic index that was too high. GI symptoms he started to have a gut inflammation, chronic snoring, sleep apnea. Seizure like activity.

We woke up. She just... She just... She died in her arms. Yeah. I continued to vaccinate her and make her worse and make her sicker. The guilt and it's so overwhelming. They killed my daughter.

Clearly this was a bigger issue than anybody realized, but there was a bigger issue than anybody realized, but there was a one particular interview that we did that really changed my perspective forever. Colton was a 13-year-old healthy, strong boy. He loved anything that has to do with an adrenaline rush. Motorcross was his passion. The doctor says, hey, he's the age that you should get the HPV vaccine. I said, okay. So he was administered the vaccine. And then this is the last day he got to ride that big boy bike and that day came home he was starting to feel nauseous really sore neck he still didn't want to get out of bed i just thought man you're just really weak and exhausted and uh that evening uh when he sat up to take a drink of water he just flopped

back and his his head just hit the pillow and i went the colton are you going paralyzed they immediately took him down to primary children's hospital and saw a original diagnosis was transverse myelitis when the doctor came out and asked me has he been sick I said no he hasn't been sick he had the HPV vaccine on February 1st and they went oh well we'll be reporting that to Vars it does suck like not being able to play sports anymore now I have the set on sideline just watch everybody got to do your research like you You can't just trust a doctor anymore.

Did your own ways to find out what's best for you. Unfortunately, Colton ended up taking his life in 2018 because he believed he'd become too much of a burden on his family. But the thing I remember about standing there and watching that interview taking place, my co-producer Polly Tommy was doing the interview, was this box that was hanging on his side that was breathing, him and it went through a tube that was going through a hole in his throat. And he literally had to wait for it to fill his lungs with air before he could answer a question.

So he would go and then he would start answering the question until he ran out of air. I thought about all of the people that accused these so-called anti-vactures of bringing back polio or the iron lung. Once vaccination rates fall, you're going to have a lot of people getting sick and a lot of children paralyzed for the rest of their life with polisers. rest of their life with polio. I thought he's wearing an iron lung. You're not laying in a metal tube anymore.

They've reduced it down to a box that hangs on your side and a hose that goes to your throat. But in this case, he wasn't paralyzed because he had polio. He wasn't paralyzed because he didn't vaccinate. He was paralyzed by the Gardasil HPV vaccine. I chose to get my daughter vaccinated because I want her to be one less woman affected by cervical cancer.

One less. Gartersil. Then I went home and started looking up all of the inserts, the warning labels that are wrapped around all the childhood vaccines, and most of them say it right there in serious adverse events. Guillaume Barre's syndrome. That's paralysis or transverse myelitis. Paralysis. And I realized polio vaccine is a success. We didn't eradicate paralytic diseases with the vaccine program. The vaccine works.

We're causing paralytic diseases with our vaccine program. So as we travel the country, some parents would come up and say, I'm about to have a baby. I'm definitely not going to get the MMR vaccine because your movie shows that that one's dangerous. But what about the other 16 vaccines that are given 72 doses by the time my child's 18? And I'd say, I only have anecdotal evidence from the thousands of interviews I've done that not a single childhood vaccine is safe. But that's not scientific. I wanted something better.

I wanted to get to the bottom of this. So I started a nonprofit called the Informed Consent Action Network. Based on the Nuremberg Code's right to voluntary consent, the ethical principle globally agreed upon in the wake of the Nazi doctor's horrifying human experiments. Where it states, the voluntary consent to the human subject is absolutely essential. And there should be no element to force, fraud, deceit, duress, or overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion. What I wanted to do was investigate the entire vaccine program. I was really focused on one thing.

We hear that vaccines are safe and effective. Safe. Safe. Effective. Effective. But before we even worry about if they're effective, how did we determine they're safe? We started looking at all the science around the world. But we hit a big roadblock.

You can't sue a manufacturer of a vaccine. It's one of the only products in America that has what they call liability protection. The reason is because of a law that was passed in 1986 by the U.S. government. The pharmaceutical industry basically blackmailed the government. And they said, we are losing so much money from lawsuits for death and injury from our vaccines. We can't make a profit. Studies have shown that the hooping cough or pertussis vaccine causes brain damage. The controversy isn't really over the fact that it happens, but how often it happens.

And they said, if you want us to continue making vaccines, you're going to have to take on the liability. And our government agreed to that. If you want to sue or you want to get any information outside of what's publicly known, you're going to have to sue the government. And that's when I realized I need a constitutional attorney. And I found a guy named Aaron Siri. Mr. Siri, you're not a medical doctor, are you?

No, sir. And you're not an immunologist or biologist or any kind of... Or vaccinologists, no, but I depose them regularly, including the world's leading ones with regards to vaccines. And I have to make my claims based on actual evidence when I go to court with regards to vaccines. I don't get to rely on titles. Okay. We had a genius way forward. We're going to sue the government agencies, HHS, FDA.

NIH and we started winning and what did we prove in those lawsuits that the entire science behind vaccine safety was nothing but a complete fraud doctors used to listen to parents when their parents came in and said hey my kid is suffering with this condition has this issue doctors listen to them but when parents started coming in and saying my kid went in and got a vaccine and then started having X-issue, that's when doctors stopped listening. Hi, how you doing? We have triplets. Two boys and the girl, Richie, Robbie, and Claire.

Every day in our life was a party. Every single day, they were smiling and laughing and looking at each other, engaging in each other. On June 25th, 2007, we brought them in for the new mococcal shot. My daughter still has the mark on her leg from the shot. She was the first one to get it, and she screamed and never really stopped screaming after that. But we continued, we didn't know. We did the boys as well. By noon, Claire shut completely off.

It was as if she was blind and deaf, and all she did at that moment was stare at the ceiling fan. So that was at noon. We had the shot at 10 a.m. 2 o'clock. We watched Ritchie shut off. They lost all their reflexes. I'm an educational audiologist. I actually did the test for the stipendial reflex, which is a little muscle in the middle ear,

just to see if a muscle they can't control was still working, and it didn't. The stipendial reflex dampens sound so your ears don't hurt from a really loud sound, and both of them had no stipendial reflex. They stopped blinking, stop yawning, stopped coughing, stop sneezing. The worst is when we saw the final one shut down. We were told it was genetic. And then we were told by geneticist that there's no possible way three children was shut off on the same day. So we had severe autism spectrum disorder for all three kids entering kindergarten.

We have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to recover them. The only person that we got back is Rich and Robbie. Robbie, the one that was last to shut off. Richie can only say single, maybe two words together. Claire is still completely nonverbal, not potty trained, and Robbie is approaching grade level, but severe OCD. Let me tell you what a day in our life isn't. So you got, say, a six or seven or eight year old child who's not potty trained.

And at two or three or four o'clock in the morning, they fill their diaper. assume that's pretty uncomfortable so they take it off pretty soon pretty soon it's all over them it's all over the bed in short order it's all over me it's all over her uh i'm snapping at her she's snapping at me we're both snapping at the kid who is the only innocent party in the whole scenario and the one thing that's conspicuously absent from that scenario is uh is anybody who told you that shot was safe they're all sleep in their bed. They haven't got a problem in the world. This one story of Richie, Robbie, and Claire puts an end to any discussion that autism

is only caused by genetics. There is no genetic explanation that would turn three brothers and sisters off on the exact same day. What you should do when there are widespread complaints that a product is causing a given harm is you should study it. In fact, Vaccine should be tested, like other medicines. It should be safety tested. And unfortunately, vaccines are not safety tested. Of the 72 vaccine doses now mandated, essentially mandated, they're recommended, but they're really mandated.

American children, none of them, not one, has ever been subject to a pre-licensing placebo-controlled trial. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr. has been torn apart by mainstream media for saying that there's no placebo trials being done for vaccines, but he's right. It's exactly what we found in our lawsuits against the government. Not a single childhood vaccine is going through a double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial prior licensure. That's the gold standard of safety testing for all pharmaceutical products, but is being skipped for vaccines. In case you

forgot how a double-blind placebo-based trial worked, as we discussed it back in. in high school science class. Let me remind you, we break up a group of kids into two groups. One group is going to get the vaccine. The other group is going to get a placebo, which is a product that has no effect on the human body. When it comes to an injectable like vaccines, that is a salient injection. Then it's called double-blinded because both the scientists and the patients are blinded

from knowing which one they got. Did they get the vaccine or did they get the placebo? This is so that the scientists will not manipulate the study. in favor of the pharmaceutical industry that will stand to make a lot of money if this vaccine proves to be safe. Then we track these two groups for two to five years, sometimes as long as 10 years for a lot of drugs. And at the end of that study, we unblind both the patient and the scientist. So we look at both groups, the vaccinated and the placebo group, and we compare their health outcomes. Who had more cancer? Who had more diabetes or ADD, ADHD, or autism, or Tourette's, or

or lupus or multiples sclerosis, all of these things that are currently skyrocketing in the United States of America. And if, when you compare them, they both turn out the same. There's the same amount of issues in the vaccinated group as is in the placebo group. Then you know it's safe. You've established what we call a safety baseline. But if the vaccinated group has more issues than the placebo group, then we know it's not safe and it shouldn't be put on the market. Only one problem. Not a single vaccine on the childhood schedule has ever been through a double-blind placebo-based trial. Therefore, they cannot say the vaccines are safe based on science. Are all vaccine trials placebo controlled?

No, and nor should they be. So, for example, when Previnar 13, so Previnar was a conjugate pneumococcal vaccine. The FDA has approved a new pneumococcal vaccine. It had to be tested in a phase three trial, and so the control group there was Prevnar 7 and had been shown to work. It will replace Prevnar, which was effective against seven serotypes. You can't ask parents to take, to put their children at risk of pneumococcal disease when they existed on the market at the time a vaccine to prevent that. And the World Health Organization has been very clear on this. That would have been considered an ethical trial.

Dr. Paul Op, it's one of the big proponents of vaccinations. probably because he's made a vaccine and made a killing off of it, the rhodovirus vaccines on the childhood schedule. It doesn't matter whether I financially have benefited or not. He likes to go around and say, well, we can't always do placebo trials, especially if there's already a vaccine that covers that disease. So he'll use an example like Prevnar 13.

Prevnar 13 in its safety trial was tested against Prevnar 7, the earlier version of the vaccine. And he'll say you cannot test Previnar 13, against a saline placebo because it would be unethical. You'd be denying children access to a vaccine that is already on the market, and that's not fair to them. But what he leaves out is that Prevnar 7 was never tested against a saline placebo, so we don't know if it's safe.

So we're testing one product we don't know the safety profile on with another product we don't know the safety profile on, and this is how the entire vaccine schedule works. I like to call this the Whiskey Study. Let me explain. Let's say there's a group of people that are complaining that whiskey is making people drunk and they're crashing their cars and people are getting killed. Now, in order to test, does whiskey cause car accidents? You would set up a double-blind placebo trial.

One group, the test group, would get the 10 shots of whiskey. The other group, the placebo group, would get 10 shots of water. And then we'd have them both drive on a driving course. and see who has more accidents? It's obvious. But in this case, the whiskey company is the one doing the study. And what they say is, oh, we're going to do a placebo-based trial. But our placebo-based trial is not going to be water. It'll be vodka, another product already on the market. And so 10 people get the whiskey shots and 10 people get the vodka shots. And they had them all drive. And guess what? They had just as many car accidents. Therefore, whiskey does not

caused car accidents because it didn't cause any more than the vodka did. And so to take this all the way to the end of Dr. Paul Offett's point, if vodka had ever been tested against 10 shots of water and there was no car accidents in the vodka group, then it would make sense to test the whiskey against the vodka. But we all know that study was never done, just like no vaccine placebo study was ever done. All you have to do is type in FDA licensed vaccines on your computer and every vaccine that they give your child on the childhood schedule will appear there. And then you can click on anyone you're interested in. Let's click on recombavax HB. This is one of the hepatitis B vaccines. They give your baby on the first day of life. Hello, welcome to the world, gasp for your first

transmitted disease. Now, go to vaccine insert. This is the insert or the warning label that is wrapped around the vaccine when it's delivered to your doctor. It has all kinds of information, like what's in the vaccine, all the ingredients, side effects of the vaccine, but I want you to focus on section 6.1. This is where they talk about the clinical trial they relied upon to establish safety. It's always 6.1 on every single vaccine so you can look at all of them. But in this one, you'll see that there was only 147 children in the entire trial. And they were only monitored for five days after each dose. Five days.

So think about it. Would you take any drug that was only monitored for safety for five days? If your child dies on day six, it wasn't captured by this trial. They'll say, we didn't see any deaths if a child had autism two years later or other autoimmune diseases or neurological disorders, things that take years to be. develop, they'll say we didn't see any in our trial. This is why every drug we take goes through a multi-year safety trial.

Most of your issues are going to take years to develop. And if your study isn't that long, you'll never, ever see them. We had an interesting opportunity to talk about this with Dr. Stanley Plotkin, who's considered to be the reigning godfather of our vaccine program. Dr. Stan Plotkin. Dr. Plotkin.

Virtually every country in the world is affected by his vaccines. Like the Robella vaccine, the rotavirus vaccine, rabies. He trained just a generation of scientists, including myself, to think like he thinks. He developed the standard textbook for vaccines in 1988. Bill Gates calls his book a Bible for vaccinologists. I hope it's more accurate than the Bible. In 2018, our attorney, Aaron Siri, had the opportunity to depose under oath Dr. Stanley Plotkin, and he asked him this exact question, is a five-day safety trial long enough

to capture all of the side effects that people are complaining about from the hepatitis B vaccine? Dr. Plotkin, this is the product, the manufacturer insert for a recombivax HB, correct? Yes. And the clinical trial experience would be found in Section 6.1, correct? Correct. Dr. Plotkin? Yes. Okay.

In section 6.1, when you look at the clinical trials that were done pre-licensure for KamaVax HB, how long does it say that safety was monitored after each dose? Let's see. Five days. Okay. Is five days long enough to detect an all? autoimmune issue that arises after five days? No.

Is five days long enough to detect any neurological disorder that arose from the vaccine after five days? No. There is no control group, correct? It does not mention any control group, no. No. If you turn to Section 6.2, under the nervous system disorders, it states that there have been reports of Guillamboree syndrome, correct?

Yes. as well as multiple sclerosis, exacerbation of multiple sclerosis, myelitis, including transverse myelitis, seizure, febrile seizure, peripheral neuropathy, including Bells palsy, muscle weakness, hypothea, and encephalitis, correct? Correct. Okay. Now, it says at the top. Before you go on, these reports are required to be included because they have. have been reported to the authorities as happening after vaccination.

That is not proof that the vaccine caused those reactions. In order to establish whether it's causal between the vaccine and the condition, you need a randomized placebo-controlled study. But that was not done for this hepatitis-B vaccine before licensure, was it? No. Okay. Without a control group, if you're looking for a phenomenon occurring in the vaccine group, you cannot judge that phenomenon without having a control group.

Isn't it true that it would now be considered unethical to conduct such a study today? It would be, yes, it would be ethical. So this is how the entire game is played. They don't do a safety placebo trial before the vaccine's license. Then when people start lining up with all of these serious side effects, you say, well, can you do a placebo-based trial now? And they say, no, it's unethical. So they won't do it before. They won't do it after those injuries.

And when they can't do a study, your doctor says to you, I haven't seen any studies that show that these injuries are being caused by the vaccine. Therefore, I'm going to assume they're safe. Do you agree with the CDC's recommendation that babies receive that hepatitis be on the first day of life? Yes. You stated that hepatitis B doesn't cause encephalitis, right? That's, in my opinion, yes. But the IOM after doing its review determined it couldn't find science to support a causal determination one or another. Correct?

Yes. But that means that they don't have evidence for the supposition. That it either causes or does. doesn't cause. Right. They don't know. They don't know because there aren't enough data. In the absence of data, my conclusion is that there are no proof that causation exists.

So if there's no data to show that it causes or it doesn't cause, your supposition, is that I understand correctly? Yes. Is that it doesn't cause it? there's no proof that it does. Okay, that's different than saying it doesn't cause it, correct? Correct. So let's be clear.

Vaccine safety is not based on science and data. It's based on an assumption of safety. And that is the stalemate we find ourselves in. But there's one way out of it. Instead of doing a placebo-based study, you can do a retrospective study looking at people that have already made their choice, whether they're going to vaccinate or not.

And then you just compare those. groups, the ones that got the vaccines and the ones that decided not to vaccinate. We call that the vaccinated versus unvaccinated study. It's been done by a few independent scientists and institutes amongst small groups of children, but never by a major government agency or a major medical facility. The reason this study is important, I think is illustrated by a study that was done in Guinea-Bissau Africa by a man named Dr. Peter Abe. He's one of the lead experts.

He's pro-vaccine, and he develops vaccine programs for the third world. He had a DTP vaccine program he'd run 30 years ago in Guinea-Bissau Africa and recognized 30 years later, you know what, only half the children in the country got that vaccine, and the other half didn't. I could do a perfect comparative study between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. And when he did that study, the results blew his mind. This is about vaccines. And I think it's important to recognize that no routine vaccine was tested for overall effect on mortality in randomized trials before being introduced.

I guess most of you think that we know what while our vaccines are doing, we don't. The program we are talking about at this time, the vaccine program was introduced sort of in the late 70s after the success with the eradication of smallpox. WSO made sort of the first immunization program for the low-income countries. What you comes out here, you had 2.3 times higher mortality if you were DTP vaccinated. And that is the most commonly used vaccine in the world. So the whooping cough vaccine or a pertussis vaccine was associated with two-fold higher mortality. You can have a vaccine which is fully protected against a specific disease, but associated with higher mortality.

How is that possible? After looking at this study, it was clear that the vaccine did protect against the diseases they were vaccinated for. The kids didn't die of diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis. Only one problem. Once they looked at it, they were dying at five times a rate of all of these other issues. So it was clear that though it was protecting against these diseases, it was weakening their immune systems to all sorts of other problems. One of the other scientists on this study did a TED talk on this.

In spite of being protected against three deadly diseases, the introduction of DTP was associated with increased overall mortality. Children who received DTP vaccine had five times higher risk of dying than those who didn't. And this is just one example of many studies now done of DTP vaccine, and they all show the same. DTP vaccinated children have higher mortality than those who didn't get DTP. So it appears that DTP vaccine has negative nonspecific effects. The protection against the three deadly diseases comes at a very high price, namely increased risk of dying. So with the best of intentions, the use of DTP vaccine may kill more children than it saves. I know these results are extremely uncomfortable and most people, including myself, just wish

they weren't true. But this is what the data tells us. That was just a study of one vaccine in a group of children. What if you studied children that were receiving not one vaccine, but between 72 and 100 vaccines by the time they're 18? Of course, I'm talking about the most vaccinated nation in the world, the United States of America. Our federal health authorities actually paid the Institute of Medicine

to look at the state. safety of the vaccine schedule as a whole. And the Institute of Medicine, after conducting that review, came back with a report in 2013. The report said, no studies have compared the differences in health outcomes between entirely unimmunized populations of children and fully immunized children.

The CDC's responsibility to do those studies, and they've been ordered again and again and again to do them, and they have refused. But the Institute of Medicine, has looked at the vaccine schedule and said in their 2011 report, there are over 150 injuries that are likely to be associated with vaccines that have never been studied. Well, what did the CDC do after the Institute of Medicine

issue that report? Instead of doing the study, they ended up doing a study on how to do a Vax versus UnVAC study. It went and it paid a whole lot of money to issue a white paper on how to continue to conduct that study comparing vaccinated versus unvaccinated kids. Now, white paper came out of 2015.

Now, here we are in 2025, 10 years later. They've still never published that study. Now, have they never done the study? I can't tell you. This is information that vaccine safety advocates want and have been asking for for a long time. And I'm not sure why it hasn't been done. This simple story,

study would shut up every antivaxor forever. I have to believe that they have done this study every way they possibly can, and they can't seem to figure out how to make it look like the vaccinated are healthier. But that's just my opinion. Based on several other studies I've seen that did compare vaccinated to unvaccinated, but mainstream medicine says, well, the cohort was too small, or they poke holes in it saying it wasn't done by a major medical institution. we're ever going to get a Vax versus unvaccinated study that people believe in, it's going to have to be done by highly credited scientists at a major medical institution, who has a database big enough to do a thorough, robust investigation comparing the vaccinated to the unvaccinated.

As fate would have it, Delmet, the head of infectious disease at Henry Ford Health System, Marcus Servos. I'll never forget that meeting because you said something to me you said I've watched your film it's it's intriguing but you said I'll never forget you said you've been saying something and watched your videos that I had an issue with you said that they cannot say that vaccines are safe because they've never done the proper safety studies and you said to me I actually researched that because I wanted to like see if that was true and I and you said I I'm sorry to have to report to you that you're actually right about that. But the proper safety studies have not been done. Even to now, too. Same thing. I still say it now.

The proper safety studies haven't been done. So then I said to you, all right. Still true. And you're like, I don't know what I'm doing here. I don't agree with you. I believe in vaccines. And I said, would you ever consider doing a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study? And you said I would do anything wherever the data, the data is the data.

Right? Yeah. The first time I met with Dr. Zervos, he agreed to do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study. I mean, I was ecstatic. He was perfect. Ford Medical Center is one of the greatest research centers in the world, and Dr. Zervos is in the middle of being a hero from having just worked out the entire Flint, Michigan water crisis. ...water pipeline.

74 miles of large diameter pipeline will stretch for... For decades, Flint, one of the poorest cities in America, had bought its water from Detroit. Instead of staying on the Detroit water supply while the pipeline was being built, the city would temporarily get its water from the Flint River. That decision would force the city to activate an old water treatment plan. Here's the plant. This is what is coming out of the tap. Water's brown, has a bad odor. We cannot drink the water. They soon became a breeding ground for Legionella, and people were getting sick. The oxygen, you're on that all the time, or do you ever get to take it?

I want it all the time. Yeah. Her doctor, Marcus Zervos, had been treating a chronic skin infection that her weakened immune system couldn't control. They are doing a lot better. I'm ecstatic. You know, if I can get them healed over a little bit more, I'm going to get you an appointment with those transplant doctors.

There had been 90 confirmed cases in the year and a half following the water switch. 12 people had died. Sean McElmary had pulled together a team of 23 scientists and experts from around the state. The team says the state wouldn't authorize them to start the search for the source of the outbreak. Dr. Zervos was the infectious disease expert, and he was worried about the delay. It was critical to start right away because by June we expected to see more cases of Legionnaires disease and there would be more deaths, more deaths, which is what we expressed in a meeting that included top leadership at MDHS. I remember my colleague telling him that if he didn't do that, you know, people could die.

Unfortunately, Nick Lyon's response was that, well, they have to die of something. I mean, you're just in shock as a result of him saying that, the director of the health department. Dr. Zervo seemed perfect. He'd stood up against the entire health system in Michigan, so I figured, he'd probably be brave enough to do this study. But then a couple of years went by and still no study. I called Aaron and said, why don't we go see if we can't convince him to finally do this study? I flew down to Michigan and we went to meet Dr. Zervos in person. We said, look, here's your opportunity.

The results should be directly in line with the orthodoxy. The vaccinated kids should be healthy across the board. He could be hailed a hero for finally shutting up the anti-vaxxers. He said he's willing to do it. The study was going to use the data they literally already have in their fingertips. The data of millions of people who are ready in the Henry Ford Health System database, including hundreds, maybe thousands of completely unvaccinated children, as well as, obviously, children who are vaccinated.

What that would allow is taking that, multi-million person database, segregating out the children who had been in the Henry Ford system from birth continuously for a few years. Because it's a captive HMO environment, meaning it provides the insurance and it provides the medical care, it has most of the health records for these kids, including if they go out of the Henry Ford medical system, Henry Ford, as the insurer, was still paying for it. So they had the health codes for all the medical services that these kids got. So if you segregated out those kids, now you have a co-ordered children from birth for at least a few years where you knew everything about them.

I previously was a program director at Henry Ford Hospital, so I know it well. It's one of the best integrated health systems to do research. Henry Ford receives over $90 million in annual research funding with nearly seven 100 residents and fellows in 53 ACGME accredited training programs. I think Henry Ford, like other institutions, has a bias towards the goodness of vaccines. You can't miss it. It's a full-page letter here from Henry Ford with 56 signatures saying in bold letters, the science is clear, vaccines save lives.

If the results came back demonstrating that the battery of vaccines was associated with chronic diseases and that unvaccinated appeared healthy over time, such a result would be particularly convincing. You know, I'm for vaccines. I'm not, you know, I'm obviously probated. I think it's the best way of controlling infectious diseases, which are deadly. I'm for mandatory vaccination. I'm the, Henry Ford is mandatory vaccination because of me.

Henry Ford is one of about 90 health care systems across the United States that are working to enroll a total of 30,000 volunteers in the majority. Cigna Cove vaccine study as quickly as possible. This is the worst pandemic of the last 100 years. And our best hope of dealing with this is by having an effective vaccine. Henry Ford is requiring all 33,000 staff members to be fully vaccinated by September 10th, 2021. The health system says this is consistent with its existing vaccination policy, which includes team members, get the flu shot every year and stay current with other vaccinations.

It appeared to me that Henry Ford was pro-vaccine, not anti-vaccine. So I had to assume the only reason they would do this study was to prove us wrong. Della and I thought that was an excellent opportunity. They could do the comparison and presumably they could get it published. We only had one request. The ask was, whatever the outcome, you publish it. Would he stick to that if the results show that unvaccinated kids are healthier? and when he realized that if he submitted that for publication,

he's going to face the wrath of his entire profession. Did it know? This was our greatest fear. I mean, vaccines are the holy grail of modern medicine. And anyone that decides to challenge vaccines in any way are essentially considered heretics. Vaccines are safe. Vaccines are safe and effective.

Vaccines are safe and highly effective. Safe and effective. Safe and they're highly effective. Vaccines are one of humanity's most incredible accomplishments, and they've saved millions of lives. Childhood vaccines have prevented about 4 million deaths around the world every year. The overwhelming majority of pediatricians in this country strongly support vaccination. Missing her vaccination dates. We're not vaccinating.

The schedule, as it's currently recommended, is well tested. We've studied it down in so many millions of children. Billions of people. Decades of extensive, peer-reviewed scientific, centuries of science. The science is pretty settled. Settled for many years now. This idea that we're taking too many vaccines.

There's really no science to back that up. The scientific community publishes, you know, paper after paper after paper. There is nothing to see. There's nothing to see. I will not stand here and let conspiracy theories distract from real solutions. Most doctors can't tolerate being called quacks or having the reputation destroyed. And, you know, I went from treating the head of the laboratory. at my hospital for hypertension to be becoming, you know, somebody that was doubted on every

levels after a while because of one thing that I said, which was, can we stop giving vaccines to my sick patients and give it to them on the day of discharge? And had they not tried to intimidate me, doubt me, and pushed me to research and show that what I saw was actually real, I would still be lockstep working as a regular doctor. The Florida Department of Health, in partnership with the governor, is going to be working to end. all vaccine mandates in Florida law. All of them. All of them. My experience with discussing or disclosing harms associated with the vaccines is that

those are not welcome ideas or conversations. That move from the Florida Surgeon General, a doctor there, drawing condemnation from public health experts. Whether it's ignorance, it's stupidity, or it's malice. At the end of the day, people are going to get hurt. He's not going to necessarily receive a warm embrace. by some of the people in his profession, but that's really what courage is all about. It's a very hostile environment, both scientifically and in the media, for individuals who reach

conclusions or have opinions that counter mainstream ideas. Every independent scientist that has ever ventured into doing a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study of any kind is immediately under assault. There's one by Dr. Anthony Mawson out of Mississippi. He did a homeschool study of about 600 kids and discovered alarming rates of allergies, ADD, ADHD, neurological disorders, and a fourfold increased risk of autism amongst the vaccinated. As soon as the study came out, his job was under threat. In fact, I asked him if he'd be in this film.

He said, look, you can show my studies, but I have just been dragged through the calls on this. I can't take anymore. Then there's Dr. Paul Thomas. Hey, how are you guys doing? What I'm seeing on this side is a pink dull scarred up ear drum. I've been a pediatrician for 35 years. I'm now retired. What I noticed in the first decade or so of my practice

is kids were getting sicker and sicker. And over the next decade, as more and more patients chose not to vaccinate, I got to see the difference. But I wanted to see, could I prove it? So we got all the data from my practice. We looked at every baby born into my practice and published it in an international journal of public health. What we found, and that study was peer-reviewed,

it was robust, we found massive increases. I mean, we're talking 4 to 500% more. Allergies, autoimmune conditions, neurodevelopmental issues, and then we had infections of all kinds, massively increased in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. What happened when I published that study?

Within days of it being available online, I get a call from my attorney. Don't go see any patients, don't write any prescriptions, don't go into the office. Your license has been emergently suspended. You are a threat to public health. What's today?

Today, it is the last time I will be doing clinical medicine in Oregon. Knowing that you guys are keeping it going, the heart of this place lives on. So what if Dr. Zervos does this study, and it turns out exactly the same way as the others? Would he still publish it? That was the question. Years won't buy it. In 2020, I was informed they had put together a study. I had that study in my hand and I looked at it. The significance of it, it was an actual study that when published was the first step in changing

this landscape. Weeks went by and then more time went by and at some point what I learned was it was not going to get submitted for publication. Aaron called me and said they finished the study. Only one problem. They're not going to publish it. I mean, it was everything we were afraid of. I called Dr. Zervos and I said, can I fly out and meet you for dinner?

And he agreed. I wanted to look Zervos in the eyes and ask him, what's so damning in this study that you're afraid to publish it? I wanted to know what was in this study. I hadn't seen it. I also imagined there's got to be a way to talk them into publishing this study. But one thing was for sure. This was my last chance.

I'm going to bring hidden cameras and recording equipment so that no matter what happens at this dinner, I can prove it happened. What do you think about the study you guys have done? It's important information because it did show a difference between the groups. I don't know how to... Oh, she got it. I don't know how to explain it, but it is a, it's important, it was important finding. I mean, the study was for what... Do you find it in the study?

I mean, in a way they could do the study, you can do the study better with what's there? Not that I... No. Impact of childhood vaccination on short and long-term chronic health outcomes in children, a birth cohort study. This one is really robust. I'll say the results. Yeah, what were the results?

The CDC put out a white paper and how you would look at vaccinated versus unvaccinated, and we followed it to 18. You agree with it? No. Do you agree with it? be a hundred percent if we looked at this every other way and sideways. I think this is a devastating commentary on our public health interventions, because if this is true, we are systematically making kids sick and not just a little bit sick.

Very sick. Publishing something like that, I might as well retire. I'd be finished. I mean, I'm just curious, what in this data makes? makes you think it will be as catastrophic to your career as you think. What was he so afraid of? The study was a bombshell. 18,468 subjects, 1,957 of them were fully unvaccinated. When comparing the health outcomes of the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated,

they found an increased risk in the vaccinated of several chronic health conditions. The vaccinated subjects were over four times more likely to have an asthma diagnosis. 4.29 times in the adjusted, and that seems, I've looked at a lot of studies, that's 3.26 to 5.65. They also found three times the risk for atopic diseases, which is kind of a subset of allergic diseases. They found a almost six times risk for autoimmune disease. The autoimmune diseases this paper looked at include thrombo. hypopinic purpura, rheumatoid arthritis, SLE systemic lupus erymatosis, MS, multiple sclerosis, and Guillembray syndrome.

They mentioned there are over 80 different autoimmune diseases and what their data showed for autoimmunity six times increase in those who got vaccines when compared to the unvaccinated. Which is staggering because autoimmune disorders really represent significant morbidity and health costs and suffering, you know, accrued over a lifetime. Neurodevelopmental disorders. What kind of numbers we're talking about, do you remember? Five and a half times risk for neurodevelopmental disorders. We know that the immune system is intimately connected with both brain development and brain

functioning. And so when the immune system gets triggered by illness, potentially by vaccination, you can get neuropsychiatric symptoms, presumably related to brain inflammation and, you know, immune processes in the brain. 2.92 times the amount of motor disabilities, 4.47 times the amount of speech disorders in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. Three times the rate of development of delay. They found the same things I found related to allergy and autoimmunity. Also, six times, more

acute and chronic ear infections. Interestingly, there were several health conditions where they couldn't even do this analysis because there were none in the unvaccinated group. The way that the mathematical formulas work, you can't have a zero in any one group and be able to compare risk. For example, there were 262 children

who had ADHD in the vaccinated group. Amongst the unvaccinated group, there were zero cases of ADHD. Zero. These ones are just mind-boggling. These conditions were not found at all in almost 2,000 unvaccinated kids. Zero brain dysfunction.

Zero diabetes. Zero behavioral problems. Zero learning disabilities. Zero intellectual disabilities. Zero ticks and zero other psychological. disabilities in the unvaccinated. I'm going to read the conclusion here. Despite this, and in contrast to our expectations, again, the author's expectations

was they'd conduct the study and probably find vaccinated people a whole lot healthier than the unvaccinated, right? This is what we found. We found that exposure to vaccination was independently associated with an overall 2.5 fold increase in the likelihood of developing a chronic health condition when compared to children unexposed to vaccination. Any vaccine, even just one, compared to none, had two and a half times more likely to have a chronic health condition.

There were no chronic health conditions associated with an increased risk in the unexposed group. None. What does this graph mean? Explain that to me. So it's no vaccines versus vaccines. That's basically your likelihood of not having a chronic health condition. They did something called time to event analysis.

At 10 years, the likelihood of being free from a chronic illness was only 43% in the vaccinated group versus 83%. percent in the unvaccinated group. It's a big difference. So if you're unvaccinated, you stay up here above the 70, you know, like was it, 80% of you are going to be perfectly healthy, whereas you're dropping below the 50% tile, which is exactly what I've been stated. I've been saying 54% of America's children have a chronic illness now. It's right there.

That's basically what that's show. 10 years follow-up, 57% of the vaccinated had a chronic health condition in just 10 years. That should shock everyone. Let's remember the entire conversation of the moment in America is the fact that 54% of our children are chronically ill. And here we are looking at the study, and it's almost exactly those numbers. 57% of the vaccinated are chronically ill, whereas only 17% of the unvaccinated. I think because I have an interest in vaccines and I understand off-target nonspecific effects, I was sad, but I wasn't surprised.

I can tell you that these data are consistent with my greatest concerns regarding the childhood vaccination schedule. that despite the good intentions of the field of vaccinology that is backfiring on us. In virtually every single chronic health category, the vaccinated are doing far worse. But there is one issue. It's the one that I have been talking about for years and puts me in the middle of this entire investigation, and that is autism. And in this study, it appears that there was no statistical significance, with the vaccine autism connection. And I wanted to know why.

Yet autism is neutral. Does that mean what wrong about autism? Mark? No. No? No. There are a lot of variables involved, and it's hard to control for it.

When you don't have a lot of instances, as occurred here with autism, where you only have 23 instances of autism in the vaccinated group, and one instance, of autism in the unvaccinated group that wasn't enough instances to actually be able to determine whether or not there is a statistically significant increased rate of autism. So even though the study shows all sorts of neurodevelopmental disorders,

when it comes to autism, there weren't enough children diagnosed with autism in this group to answer that question. That is why studies like this need to be replicated at even larger scales. The fact is there's a signal, and the signal is unvaccinated kids healthy. That should be a very important positive study. The converse of this is kids that are vaccinated, it doesn't look so good, particularly for the neuropsychiatric disorders. Looking at the measure of association, I'm an epidemiologist, I live in this, neutral is one. Neutral means no association is one.

If it's two, it means there's a twofold risk. When we're doing non-randomized data, especially from corporate data stores, we have you, we have a higher threshold. And a good threshold to remember is four. If there's a fourfold increased risk in a data set, if we were going to go do this somewhere else, almost certainly we would find an association when this is telling us that the risk relationship is greater than four. I was sitting at that dinner reading this study for the first time and thinking,

oh my God, the world needs to see this study. But the more I pressed Dr. Zervos to publish it, the more excuses he had. I think it's a good study, but it does have limitations to it. The argument against it is going to be that it's, same thing. Retrospective, it's not a controlled group. There's other factors involved. The heterogeneous group of conditions. The perfect example was hydroxychloroquine.

Did I happen to mention that not only was Dr. Zervos at the center of the Flint, Michigan water crisis, he was also at the center of the hydroxychloroquine study that was done by Ford and showed a 50% reduction in death for those that received hydroxychloroquine. And for that, he got attacked by Tony Fauci and virtually everybody in mainstream media and the medical world. The Henry Ford Hospital study that was published, It was a non-controlled retrospective cohort study. So that study is a flawed study. The PR at Henry Ford, they put a gag order on me.

I couldn't talk about anything. And they said to me, Mark, tell what? You know, so you go on CNN. And when they would be happy, they'd be thrilled to have you on CNN. And, you know, you say what you feel. But they're just going to twist what you say anyway and make you look bad anyway. So what good is it can go?

So I should still be able to depend myself, you know, and say what the inaccuracies are. So I'm thinking on myself, maybe the Henry Ford PR was right is that it's just going to get twisted around anyway, make you look bad and you get fired, so what good does it do? So what's going to happen with this one is the same thing, is that somebody's going to come back and they're going to say, you know, the study is flawed as opposed to looking at it in the way that it could be looked at. How about looking at this is important scientific information that can inform how the proper study could be done won't be taken like that?

And then I can say, why? Because there's a political attendant to it. I get it's, it has its issues. Any retrospective study is always going to have the same problem. There always have the same attacks upon it. There are limitations to retrospective studies. That's the reason why we like to do randomized clinical trials when we can because they don't have the same limitations.

The major one that you have to worry about with retrospective studies is things that are different between the groups that you're comparing that you're unable to account for. If you want a flawless study, do a placebo-controlled trial. Any retrospective study is going to have flaws in it. But in this study, they made a point to address many of the flaws that they found themselves. If someone were critical of the study, I think, issues that a researcher might raise would be things like the different lengths of follow-up

for the groups between the children who received no vaccines and the children who receive vaccines. The authors actually did do a sensitivity analysis where they limited the analysis to children who had at least a certain amount of follow-up. When they limited the follow-up time for both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated to one year, it's still 2.75 times high. higher rate of chronic disease in the vaccinated. And when they limited it to three years, it's 3.38 times the rate of chronic disease in the vaccinated. And when they limit it to five years, it's four times greater. So no matter what they did to limit the follow-up time, the results of the study didn't change. The results indicate that the different follow-up period

really did not have a substantial effect on the research question that they were probing. Another concern is that there are just big differences in how likely the children who received no vaccines were to seek health care compared to the children who received vaccines. So in other words, could the differences we're finding in the study just be due to the fact that these kids were being seen less often and so they're getting fewer diagnoses? To try and address this, they limited the population of children who didn't receive any vaccines to children who at least had some number of medical visits. And even in that sensitivity analysis, the main findings persisted.

In this study, they adjusted for confounders. Confounders can be age, socioeconomic status, gender, racial, ethnic groups, and used a technique called Cox Proportional Hazards, which means holding all other factors equal, what's the relationship between the factor of interest and the outcome? Even after they were adjusted for, the effect of these characteristics was actually pretty small. I actually expected that those adjustments would have a really powerful effect, but they actually didn't. And when you do a lot of sensitivity analysis and what you're seeing doesn't change much, that can be reassuring. The authors did a good job with the information that they had.

I have seen studies on vaccines published in good journals that are much weaker in quality. Is what your study shows, is it important? Yeah, it is important. You know who you should send it to? What's what I told you a while ago? Because I'm just not going to do it.

Because I don't want to end up like ditty or... I don't want to suffer. For McCullough, McCullough did. But, you know, I give him credit for taking it, you know, standing up to it. But I'm just not going to be. I'm not going to be it. In any other climate, in a regular climate,

you would have put this study out just as it is, right? If we weren't in this world of censorship. I put it out just how it is. You would? I put it out just how it is. Yeah. I'd like to just finish out my work, you know, doing international work part of my reluctance to do anything is that nothing is going to come out of it

other than be losing my job which i'd rather not see happen i'm open it we're here because i fully respect you and i recognize the danger of i said to you i said to you if you do this study i'm going to repeat it because i don't remember i said if you do the study you're going to come under fire you said i don't care about that i'm all about the data and i'm about to retire anyway That's literally what you say. Yeah. So your energy is definitely changed on that. Energy's changing.

Let me put it this way. I put my whole career on the line because I saw an issue. Because what? I saw an issue that is affecting the children of America and the world. We have a serious growing problem about autoimmune disease, chronic illness. I am not saying that vaccines are the only cause, but I'm saying this program needs some serious work. We had much better health when we're getting 10, 20 vaccines, at 54 shots with 72 doses, it is clear we are not making our children healthier.

They're going the wrong direction. If there's a way to do this program better, which I believe, you know, I've never said I'm trying to eradicate vaccines from the planet, but we are at an autism rate now of, what, one in 26, 28, we have some serious issues. No, I actually agree with that. Is there a different way we could be doing? Right, but how do we get there if I finally, what are the odds? I find someone like you that has got the clout.

If I can't get this study out and what hope is there for every kid in the future, I can't do shit for them. Unless there's a change in leadership, nothing that's going to happen. Publishing one, you know, one study like, uh, uh, uh, uh, let's do shit for them. like this one is not going to, it's not going to, um, it's actually the right thing to do. I don't want to say it's not the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do, but the, I just don't want to, um, and I don't want to say have enough problems, but I've got enough things like that that I'm already dealing with. I don't want another one. Hold on. Hold on. I just want to say this. This is the Galileo moment. I believe this

changes more lives than anything there is. If we can fix this vaccine program, it does has it just changed millions of children's lives here in America, it changes worldwide. You'll be the father of the change in the system. That's historic. And I want to work with you to do that. This is why we're here. Yeah. No, I see what you're saying.

I see what you're saying. We have an ability to do something that no one ever dreamed is possible. If it's not you, then who? For some reason, they always... Hammering has always comes towards me. No, I can't get him. I really hit him. No, I'm not a good person.

I can't end, but I'm not a good person. But I'm just not going to move. I'm not going to do it. Because I've got to stop to worry about. Yeah, I mean, obviously, like, really rational. You know, he's just going to compartmentalize it away. I think someone could look at this and be like, it's unconscionable.

How couldn't he? And I think the way. that he can is like the way we all can do things that, you know, like not do things we don't want to do is we just convince ourselves, you know, he's saying like, it doesn't matter, this is one study, it won't move the needle, it's too much for me, I can't, and, you know, maybe he's right, maybe it is too much for him. It's very important to this study sees the light of day. In the scientific literature, and for the advancement of science, we must have balance. There are always pros and cons.

to everything. And when we have a deep-seated religious bias in favor of vaccines, we've lost balance. And when we lose balance, the entire scientific enterprise goes off track. And when that happens, large populations are harmed. I cannot help but ask myself the question. How many children will suffer a chronic illness that they maybe wouldn't have to suffer had this information been out there. I treat a lot of kids with neurodevelopmental disability and neuropsychiatric illness and their lives and their families' lives are hell. And I know so many parents who suffer all kinds of guilt, the parents who've had adverse reactions or who've witnessed neurodevelopmental regression and connection with vaccination, they are devastated. I've had so many mothers say to me,

My child is like this because of me, you know, at my hand. I did this to them. I think we are absolutely destroying our future by destroying the overall health of our most precious asset, our children. We need to know if this is true. We are morally and ethically obligated to replicate this study again and again and again. out if this is accurate and if this is true. We have to. The fact that this study hasn't been peer-reviewed and hasn't been published is extremely concerning. It's important knowledge and other healthcare systems really do need to replicate the analysis. This question really does

need to be probed. It's a very important research question. I challenge you, yes, you the doctors, you, the researchers, do the research, find within your data set within your system those who are unvaccinated and compare them to the vaccinated cohort. This is one data set. You could replicate this again. There are other captive payer systems.

Let Kaiser Permanente Southern California do it. And let the Harvard Pilgrim System in Boston do it. And all the other health systems around the country. And maybe even the CDC with the VSD. And with that, we can start actually addressing the problem that these vaccines might be causing. If these results are valid, this is an absolute C-change in our understanding of the off-target and non-specific effects of vaccination, and we will have to reconsider the way we go about our

vaccination program. This is a cease and desist letter we received from the attorneys for Henry Ford Health. This letter leads me to believe that they really don't want us to release this film. In the letter, Henry Ford accuses us of defamation for saying that the unpublished study wasn't submitted for publication due to the results of the study. They assert that the reason the study was never submitted for publication was, quote, due to significant and serious flaws in its data and methodology. because it did not come close to meeting the rigorous scientific standards Henry Ford Health

and its researchers' demand. But we just heard from Dr. Marcus Zervos, the lead author on this unpublished study and a world-leading expert on infectious disease at Henry Ford. He told me he believed the study was a good study, and he would publish it just as it is. Only one problem. If he does publish it, he believes it would be the end of his career. He'd be finished. Not my words, but his. Now, even if Dr. Zervo stands by his study, does that mean it's a perfect study? Of course not. Can we say that the Henry Ford study proves that vaccines are causing the chronic disease epidemic?

No, we cannot. A retrospective study does not prove causation. What we can say is that we believe it is showing a signal, a red flag waved in the air by the scientific method. Houston. There may be a real problem here. Now this concern is heightened by the fact that this unpublished study does not stand alone. It's not an anomaly. It now stands with several other studies that have all shown similar signals. So there will certainly be attacks on the limitations of this study, which can be found in most retrospective studies. And we acknowledge those limitations. But the only way to really refute it is to do your own vaccinated versus unvaccinated

study and prove us wrong. That's what I believe Dr. Zervos attempted to do and failed. But as parents watching this film right now, you have to ask yourself a very important question. Why hasn't a single health agency or major medical institution in the world been able to produce one single vaccinated versus completely unvaccinated study that shows that the vaccinated children are healthier? Wasn't that the entire purpose of the vaccination? program to make our children healthier? And although this may be an inconvenient study for anyone who said that the vaccine program was safe, there is a bright side. In every one of these studies so far, there is a group of children who are thriving, who aren't suffering from many of the ailments

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They can know that you're into the high wire too and that you've seen this incredible movie that everybody's talking about. Now, at the Malibu Film Festival, we had the opportunity to bring many of the people here in the studio that help make this film possible, along with Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Dr. Elizabeth Mumper, all hosted by Jimmy Dorr, who, at asked some really tough questions, surprisingly. So I hope you'll enjoy the Q&A that happened to the Malibu Film Festival.

Maybe it's going to answer a question that you have. Take a look at this. We want to thank you for opening up your eyes and ears and helping other people open their eyes and ears. message and hopefully this conversation can continue and change and influence more people. Without any further ado, we'd like to start the panel. I'd like to introduce the moderator for the panel, the host of the Jimmy Door Show, Mr. Jimmy Door. All right, I was supposed to be up before the applause ended.

And the city, too far back. How about a hand for a panel today? What can they do that? Yeah, you can't be doing. No, I just want, would like to get everyone's reaction to the movie. Let's start right here. What was your reaction? I had a very emotional reaction watching the film, as did my wife.

And it's hard for me to watch stuff like this, and what we're doing to our children seem to be the greatest crime in history. And so I just want to get everyone's reaction. I thought it was spectacular. It's very hard for me to watch. I have evaluated over 600 children with autism, So all throughout the movie, whenever it went to a clip of a child suffering, that also triggered a lot of traumatic memories in me seeing similar things in so many other children. I'm also angry. As you know, Paul Thomas looked at the issue. In my practice, we looked at the issue, and the numbers that Paul and I have are strikingly similar to what Henry Ford has done.

And what you may not realize is that Paul and I and a number of other colleagues were going to do an 18-year prospective Vax-un-Vax studies. We'd actually raised about a million dollars. And then Paul lost his medical license, and we couldn't bring that forward. The other bad thing about that is it would have taken 18 years. So Del, I applaud you and your crew for short-cutting this because we know that the medical community is so far behind in bringing new innovations from the bitch side to actual clinical practice. This one, I'll keep brief. We have a personal connection, my wife and I, to this issue in that we We have two boys who reacted adversely to vaccines, and so this has been an issue that's been

close to our heart. Really, for me, it was watching you, the audience, react to this information from this unpublished study. I'm hoping that you all further the discourse. Spread the word. Share it. Reach every corner of the earth if you can, and have this discussion and let people decide for themselves. Yeah, just following up on what Patrick said, you know, we have a really personally, personal vested interest in this topic and the story of what happened with our children.

And when this, you know, the opportunity for this phone came up, our team is like so amazing. Everybody jumped into it full more. And I just think that sitting here watching it and hearing their reactions gives me a lot of hope that this truth is getting out there and that we're going to make some real change. really help make America help you get yeah well Dale congratulations outstanding storytelling I really wish I I didn't miss it 35 years now I wish that this feel would come out when my father was still alive broke his heart what happened years ago my mother 95 is still light and she will cheer up First of all, I do want to thank the people that make the high wire possible.

Some of you that are watching it, all the work that we do with ICAN, sitting up here at Kat, Patrick, and Jen, and Chris, and would everyone else just in our staff that's here please stand up? Because you guys are heroes. I could just sit on the game with a lot of the players. But it's an amazing page. And if it came out, it happened very quickly. Senator Ron Johnson, Aaron had given him the study to look at,

and he immediately said, I'm going to publish this on the Senate website. I mean, I don't know if Aaron knew that was planned. I mean, just to take a look at it, it says, no, this pisses me off so bad. We're going to make this available to the public. They can't sue me. I'm a public official. This is the public good. So I was on vacation.

I got done working with being Robert Kennedy Jr.'s director of communication. So I took a couple of weeks off on camping, and I got done, and they came back. Well, now if you're back, apparently we have to make it done in a month and a half because Senator Johnson's already set a date for a hearing. This study is being announced, and that's how it happened. It was so quick. This is a film that should have taken a year to make. But Chris and Jen, really, you know, with our incredible team, but I'll be honest.

I thought a month and a half we're going to make this film. I just sort of was like, well, my aim's going to be on it. It's going to be what it's going to be. It's probably pretty rough. And I'm so proud of this film. I'm so proud of this amazing team that delivered this. Really good. And that's really good for me.

Liz, you know, you're working with children right now. Andy, of course, you've watched this movement grow back when it was just you. and a few people, it's changed the world. And then Toby, your work as a researcher, has just been so important. Your voice on the panel. It's compliment. You're a lot of them.

Check, check. Hey, guys. I'm Jen Sherry Perry. I'm the executive producer of the Highwire with Del Hictree. Um, yeah, this film came out as super duper fast, and it wasn't. until yesterday that I it even dawned on me like what we're about to do today and it's just been soaking in to sit here with all of you who are so passionate and listening so intently

and feeling the feels that I felt while we were making this I'm going to have watched this film I don't know how many times and every time I mean the last time I watched it in my living room a few days ago before we output it I teared up and I got chills and I'm like this is we did it like if If I'm having this reaction now, I just felt like we had done what we set out to do, and this is something that we've been trying to accomplish for the last eight years on the high wire. It's a culmination of that, so I couldn't be more proud of our team. And what we accomplished at least that too. Yeah, just to echo what Dell and Jen have already said.

I think I shot the first frame of this on July 22nd, so it was just over two bots. And I'm sorry from the hidden camera footage, which was in which one, too. But, yeah, we're really proud of it. I mean, it's hard to watch. Like, especially with the big screens, Judge said, I've probably seen this 100 times now. And every single time it hits, you know, you see the kits being injected. You hear about the consequences of this, a blossom consequences of it. And, yeah, so I'm just glad the message it's gotten out as getting out there.

I'm glad he came together the way he did, and he's probably been involved. I also just want to point out, for those of you that, you know, know, know the story, I left the daytime talks to the doc is where I won an Emmy Award. Once we got things rolled with the high wire, I brought Jen Sherry, who sat next to me, producer from the doctor's television show. She became my executive producer. And just over a year ago, Amy, was it? Two years ago, Chris ended up, we all worked together.

He ended up being the director of the doctors, the end up. So all of us now have left that medical talk show. I'm going to work. So now we give up hope, right? Inside of these medicals, inside of these shows, inside of these news agencies, there's people like us that do want to tell the truth. Don't ever forget that they're there and don't give up on them. And it's incredible.

These two guys are my favorite guys to work with, and I'm sitting here on stage with them right now, you know, 10 years later. It's just beautiful. This film is a masterpiece to hell in your whole team. I'm so grateful. And I would add, this film will save lives. Every time we tell the truth, it saves somebody's life out there. And you may never meet that person.

But there's some child out there whose life will be saved two days. will be saved today because this film told the truth. It documents quite possibly the largest crime in human history. I think we all live with trauma every day because we're in the midst of this crime. I want to zoom out for a moment and realize this film documents quite possibly the largest crime in human history and you've got the receipts. So on the one hand it's heartbreaking, right? I'm still clearing tears from my eyes from the film.

On the other hand, as you concluded the film, we have the power in our hands to make different decisions, and so when we assert our own personal sovereignty over these matters, take power back from these knuckleheads who are in charge of CDC and Lumpur-Rest, it saves lives and it very well may save the Republic as well. Now, I, what woke me up to this story was that I got the, I was one of the first people to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and that was because I didn't do my own research. And had I done that, I would have known we were getting a different vaccine that was actually tried, that took a complete different manufacturing process.

but I still have friends who are in the same political and new space that I am who still get their children vaccinated them one of my close friends just had a baby and I said you're you're not going to give them the hepatitis vaccine right and he's like oh and I already did and I was like why why did you do that and he said well that's the first one they give them that's not an answer right so they're relying on people staying ignorant and this film I think will go a long way into waking people up if they watch it.

And what's the strangest thing to me is I've gone back and I've found videos of people like John Stewart. Before, in 2004, he brought on RFK Jr. on his show, and he thanked him for the investigations into vaccine injuries that he was doing. And also Joe Scarborough brought on RFK Jr. And he said he was convinced that a vaccine caused his child's autism. And that's, you'll never see that anymore.

All those people have completely flipped and sold out their integrity for a paycheck or whatever, or fear of being ostracized. And I was just wondering, what do you, so now we have RFK Jr. in the HHS, which is amazing that that happened. So I just want to see what, this is to anybody on the panel. And what is your predictions of how long will it take for us to get to a critical mass of people understanding this problem? And do you think RFK will be able to serve out a full term as HHS Secretary?

So anybody on the panel would like to take that? Well, first of all, I would say we have a critical mass already evidenced by the fact that Robert Kennedy Jr. is HHS Secretary. I think that COVID woke up you and millions and millions hundreds of millions across the world one of the things i would say is you know we most of the people in the stage been at this for a long time i don't think robert kennedy junior as hHS secretary for 50 more years without covid and those are the things that you know for me i i think god is behind a lot of this is it was a horrific time and a horrific experience but it

made that possible it made a film like this possible. It's made, you know, all these conversations are going on. We're seeing virtually, and you know this. When I started with a high wire, nobody talked about vaccines. We're the only one. It's actually really easy. You know, we grew exponentially millions during COVID watching us every week because the only one's talking about it. Now virtually every podcaster thinks this is one of the hottest issues to be talking about. That is, you know, the fulcrum point. The genies out of the bottle, it's never going back. And as far as Bobby is concerned, one of the reasons I really felt inspired to follow through with this film and make sure we got it out was

he needs all the support he can get right now. He needs to do this study at the CDC. I don't know what's going on. It looks like the database has been torn apart before we got there because this stuff should have been done by now. They're trying to rebuild. So it's a mess he's dealing And with, as I've said, he's got 50,000 employees and 49,99 are probably against him. And so, you know, it's a tough job he's got in there. But I believe if we get this film out to everyone we know, first of all, it introduces the idea of a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study. So when it finally comes from Bobby and the work that they're doing, and I think when you

look at the Tylenol announced that that happened two weeks ago, you know what I'm really excited about? It's clear that Donald Trump is as frustrating as we are at how long it's a day. Our president wants to see this study. He wants to see this information out there. So I believe we're going to see it. I absolutely agree with Doug. In the time that I've been involved in this,

two things have made a dramatic difference. When you're in the clinic, you can help one child at a time. Two things that have made a difference are film and COVID. Film you're able to get a story out with integrity to millions of people at long time. just such an example, and this film will move the barometer even further. COVID was the other, and that terms so many people against public health and the pharmaceutical industry because they realized they can lie to. So then I've got involved in this, there are a handful of people worldwide who are prevent they even talk about this issue.

Now it's more than half the adult population of the world, they're saying, no, we're not going to follow your rules any longer. So we've more than reached the tipping point. Now we have to really drive it home. this film will make that difference. I have so much faith in Bobby Kennedy Jr. because he takes a gut punch better than anybody I'd ever bet on a whole life. And as a pediatrician,

just looking at what he's been able to accomplish in the last eight months, you know, separating out the varicella component from the MMR vaccine. That in itself, for me, is huge because we know that putting those together puts children at higher risk. And if Trump can actually throw out there that we're going to just start making separate measles, mumps, and rebella vaccines, which was Andy's original idea. And as soon as he put that out there, they quit making them separately.

But for a few years, I could actually give them separately. And those kids definitely did better. Getting COVID vaccines for children off of a mandate, that is huge. I spent about three years of my life researching all the ways that COVID vaccines were so bad for children not only medically, but in terms of their psychological help and their education and their family dynamics. So I think that he is going to finally get us in the right direction. and I think if we support him, he will continue to have momentum. A lot of you took a lot of hits. Can some of you talk about because I know the kind of hits I took just reporting facts.

I got hit by the YouTube sensors and they said I was spreading disinformation even though what I was spreading was that the COVID-19 vaccine didn't stop transmission or contraction. I caught on to that very early and they took down four of my videos that said that and they gave me a strike. And so they were threatening my entire business model and going to pull the rug out from underneath me on that. And I lost, you know, most of my friends in Hollywood are no longer. My friends, in fact, they go on social media and they slander me pretty good. People I've known for 40 years, but I'm only 45. And I'll just like if anybody could talk about what kind of personal price they've had to pay for standing up and telling the truth about this unbelievably propagandized issue.

Well, I mean, this right here is the guy that I think that should do the talk. And I'll be honest, I don't feel like I have made a sacrifice at all. I think the world, by the time I got involved with us from work with Andy and we made Vaxed, that was serious. That was so effective and so many people came out for that. That movement became so powerful and started making waves that I never felt like this was a sacrifice. So it really is before me. You know, the work that we've done and I can, the work that CHD has done, many of the nonprofits that are working, we built what we've done on the shoulders of giants that really took it, some of them in this audience right now that stood up with no one was around them.

But by the time I got in, I don't like when people come up and say thank you for your sacrifice. I always say this has been the greatest experience of my life. I get to be passionate. I get to go out and tell the truth that people are listening. But this guy, this guy's in textbooks. We've got to clean up some of textbooks around the world. Go ahead. Here's the thing, guys.

It doesn't matter. Okay, it doesn't matter because I'm a consenting adult. And I knew what I was getting into. I had a choice, I could have backed out of it, I could have continued. My medical training told me that I should invest my trust in the mother's story and pursue that to the expense of the experts. So I had a choice. So whatever happened to me doesn't matter. These children did not have an informed choice.

And so they lost their voice and we have to stand for them. It's as simple as that. I did have some I did have some arrows, and I want to make the point. For example, Andy and I collaborated probably over 20 years ago, and I, shortly thereafter, was no longer on the faculty of a university that I had revered. And at the time, I thought it was a terrible thing that had happened to me. I am telling you all it was the best thing that could have been able to lecture in 20 different countries.

I have met scientists and clinicians and social workers and especially the most remarkable group of parents. I would have never met that caliber of colleague if I had stayed in my former position. in my former position. So for anyone out there, including Marcus Zervos, I am going to say, be brave, be courageous. You might close one door on your career, but you would open up yourself to so many incredible opportunities to be a better human.

As a parent in this, this, nobody picks this. It happens. And it's a hard wake-up call. And you spend how many years, though, nine, ten years fighting with one conversation at a time. And I'll say the ride that you and I have been on is beyond description, the people we've met, the things we've experienced, the walls we've all broken through together for our constituents who are all of you and I would give it all back to change one thing and that's kind of where I stand on on this just as a from a parent perspective I would just add that, look, we've all been censored, blacklisted, kicked out, exiled, all the rest.

But at the same time, we're building a parallel economy and a parallel society. So Dell and the Highwire team has built a parallel media environment, and Substack has done that, and a lot of other independent voices have come out. But we're building an independent medical system. we're building a right proper scientific system. The existing system is so corrupt, so calcified, so broken, that you can't get good science out of the existing system. It gets censored and it's not published and all the rest.

So we're doing the proper science. We're doing medicine the right way. So the size of the parallel economy will soon overtake the mainstack. the mainstream economy and the audience for the high bar each week if you ran the numbers I bet a lot of weeks

it's doing better than Rachel Maddow doing better than Anderson Cooper certainly doing better than Jimmy Kimmel so I think we just have to have faith and keep doing the right thing day in day out but the people in the parallel economy

and the parallel society are going to be healthier happier, stronger families, stronger communities, we are absolutely winning this fight. And our parallel economy is going to become the dominant hegemonic force in American society at some point soon. Well, the big reason why it's not yet is because of the, you know, we went from 50 giant media companies in 1990. down to six media companies. And so they can control the narrative.

And the reason why Big Pharma advertises in news media, and especially on corporate news, is because they don't want to actually sell you a drug that makes your leg stop jumping, but they want to control the people who deliver the news, which they're doing very effectively. And so I think that's why it's hard to get through to a lot of people, because everywhere they look,

It's the same message over and over, which is that's true, and they don't realize they're being propagandized, which is the best propaganda is when you don't realize that it's happening. And now RFK is trying to make it very difficult for Big Pharma to advertise on television, at least. And I was wondering if anybody had, you know, it's not just television. It's also as the medical journals I found out firsthand in an argument I had on Twitter with the head of the British Medical Journal. And so do you, what do you think, how long do you think it'll take to get the advertising off of television and out of the medical journals because there's only two countries in the whole world that has big pharma advertising. It's the United States and New Zealand, two of the worst during COVID. And now just, again, throw it to the panel.

What do you think the prospect is that we could actually have news people on television doing actual news, Chris Cuomo, got fired and then he got vaccine injured and now he's telling the truth about the fact so was it we have to wait for everybody on tv to get vaccine injured or or do you think of rfk will be effective and successful in getting the funding from big pharma which is now 70% of corporate news comes for big pharma and that's why they have a stragglehold so just anybody go ahead and take it where you look well i mean i think um rfk talked you know or discussed with president up who put out an executive order. And my understanding is in 2026, we're going to see it change the direct-to-consumer marketing.

What they're saying is, and there's a lot of discussions that happened as Bobby were running, we talked about this. We would all love to just see that direct-to-consumer marketing removed. But in a country that celebrates free speech, First Amendment rights, we would have real difficulties getting to the Supreme Court. So what Bobby and Trump have done is they've now mandated that, yes, you can have an ad, but you have to list every single side effect that your product passed in that ad, which means these ads are probably going to have to be two or three minutes long

to read through all the side effects. I watched one during football just this week. I saw a first ad that looked like about a minute or about a minute of side effects, and I think they're just testing it out, and I just thought no one's buying that product. It was one thing, but it was just like, Mike Meal, you know, might suffer Restless Lake syndrome, you know, leaky bowel syndrome and something else. but you'll love it. But now it just went on and on and on and on.

It's like the Star Wars credits. And I'm like so I think it's a death blow. I do think you're going to see that advertising because of that shift, which I think is like saying, hey, you have every right to advertise, but you're going to have to buy a two or three minutes spot to read all the side effects. So that is in place. And I also want to say about mainstream media because it's, you know, I think we all keep talking about the is that powerful. And we really need to start recognizing our own power. As you've just said,

we are so powerful. And if you look at this last election, I don't even care where you're at politically. Here's what we learned. What we learned was a 24-hour-a-day news cycle. By those six conglomerates, you're talking about 24 hours a day, nothing but hate towards Donald Trump, nothing but like if there was anything said about Bobby Kennedy, usually just avoided him, but hate. And after that, television onslaught, funded by the Biden administration and $10 million to push the COVID vaccine, both those guys are now in our government, running the presidency, the most powerful position in health. That means mainstream media had no effect on the vote. It lost to new media, it lost to you,

it lost to me, it lost to all the podcasts, the Joe Rogans have now taken over the world. So I don't think we have to worry about, you know, when they're going to give up. up, we just have to make sure we never give that power back and we keep our put on the gas and finish the job holding briefly. So today after the election, the Big Five Pharma companies called an emergency meeting because the, well, the headline was Big Five Pharma calls emergency meeting over RFK Junior Anxiety. I was sure they had a pill for that.

So, let me just throw it to the past, is Big Pharma actually quaking in their boots? Are they on the run? And what do you think will you control them? So anybody want to take it? Okay. I think it's a much more complicated issue. I think the biggest concern that I have is that I think, I think, they realize they've made some missteps, but they still keep rolling out the same

tropes. They haven't learned anything. They fall off, it's still screaming and yelling that we would consider breaking up the MMR as though he thinks that anyone's listening and screaming safe and effective at a time where no one in the country believes it anymore. So they don't seem to be able to change the playbook, but they do have all the money, and they do still own every government in this world, and they still are, you know, funding WHO and Gavi and almost every other nation of the world is falling to censorship, is falling to, you know, data collection and, you know, tracking and banking systems and, you know, central, like moving our, you know, real IDs in our banking and they're taking your funds away if you speak out in Canada, they're taking

me. So all of this is happening. And so what I think is very important is as though as much as I say we've got to celebrate our win, you also have to recognize we want a battle. We have this territory, but we don't start building the new system that Tony's talked about. We don't start planting buildings on here and saying this is ours and we're never giving it back. There is going to be a serious repercussion to what we've achieved over these last few years. Forever, however long, Bobby says it. But however long, Trump, is the next administration going to be favorable to freedom, freedom of body autonomy and sovereignty and true transparency and science, or are we just going to swing all the way back? And that's where everyone is being quiet right now,

If you're afraid right now, you're squandering the only opportunity we're ever going to have to take back the world. It has to happen now. It has to happen while the government's on our side. It has to happen while we're not censoring. This is our moment. This is our time. I truly believe for this moment we were born and we need every single voice to say, yeah, I'm here, I'm present. I'm accounted for let's do this.

have a real anxiety about this. One of the reasons is that the established long-standing live viral vaccines, measles, mousal, repel, and others are failing. They're failing across the board because of the emergence of resistant strains of the virus that have emerged precisely because of the vaccine. It's put a genetic selection pressure on them,

just as COVID did on the virus to mutate. And so the future is very difficult, because those vaccines will eventually fail very quickly and they will no longer be useful. So what they're doing, undoubtedly, is making MRNA-based vaccines for the measles, but everything else. If we're talking about it, they've been doing it for years.

Those are destined to take over the market for the established livaral vaccines that are failing. So if there is a huge public pressure and a political pressure against the COVID vaccine based upon the massive level of side effects from those. They've got a real, real problem going forward. I don't know how they're going to handle them. I'd like to follow up on that.

I went undercover for children's health events at the World Vaccine Congress a year or two ago. And the people there were pharmaceutical developers. And they were salivating. They were just so excited about this idea that if they could just get rid of the regulatory hurdles, they could go from a newly identified virus to an MRNA vaccine for that virus in less than 100 days. That should scare all of us.

But there are so many entrepreneurs that are investing in that technology now. So please make it widely known. all the horrible damage, the excess mortality, the excess disability, the cardiac, reproductive, you know, oncologic, neurologic effects of MRI vaccines that we saw in COVID, that has to be a precautionary tale, a lesson for what we can't let happen in the future. And as a good lefty, you're always supposed to be critical of corporate America, especially Big Pharma. And the weirdest thing that happened that I noticed during COVID was that people who were the loudest proponents against Big Pharma, and people used to do rallies, you know, against GMOs in our food, then flipped on a dime, and they became the loudest narrative enforcers for Big Pharma, you know, people like Neil Young.

and those types of people. And I was just the incredible flip-flop of how the left became mouthpieces for Big Pharma. Do you think that that was because they were successful to marry that to their anti-Trump intrig? And so now they see Big Pharma as some kind of antidote to Donald Trump? Good question.

Look, there's clearly a Trump derangement syndrome, but it wasn't Trump here in California when SB 277 was being for the Democrats all got behind a forced vaccination program, which is why that was happening right as I was at the doctor's television show. One of the things that catapulted me into this was I was called to the stage one day on the doctors. We have a segment we're shooting to put in your show. So come over. It's going to be really quick. It's going out tomorrow on your show. And I ran over the stage and outwalk Senator Richard Pan onto the stage to sell SB 277. I was sitting backstage.

I'm not vaccinated. My mom didn't vaccinate me. My baby at that moment wasn't vaccinated. And I was watching this guy thinking, this is the end of the world that I grew up in. The freedom that my parents, you know, brought me up in and I feel healthy and whether or not anyone wants to live like I do, I should be free to live like that. And that really sent me. And I think in many ways, they awoke a sleeping giant.

They awoke it in me. They woke it in, you know, this audience and the millions of people around the world and we're fighting now. But ultimately, you know, you've got to reach down deep inside yourself and ask, why are we here? What is actually happening? Who actually is in charge? Can this change? And just look at the massive amount of change. I mean, I just think that that's what you have to think about right now is no one would have ever believed.

I was just thinking, you know, nine years ago, we're saying. sitting in his basement in Austin, Texas, making backs at a moment where no one could talk about vaccines. And I remember one of the major donors that made that film possible, years in when the elections were going on and suddenly COVID and the vaccine was all the conversation. They said to be dull, remember when you were working with Andy, you said a lot of things that were really great, but you said, I'm going to make vaccines the number one conversation in the next election of the United States of America.

And I said, I thought you were a little about it over the tips of your skis, but we did it. Andy, I mean, Andy, that film that you made and that the data, based on all the work that you've done, it swept the world in under 10 years. We went from a topic that you couldn't talk about to putting Bobby into the most powerful position of health. Under those circumstances, anything was possible. God's good. The main thing about it was that at that time, with Tribeca, censorship backfired in the biggest way. And we called it the Nero effect. It was extraordinary.

It became a global phenomenon. Nothing we did. I mean, if it had played the Tribeca, 200 people would have seen it. Whoopty-boo. It was on every television program in America when De Niro said we should have played that movie. Yeah.

Thanks. And I want to say this to everybody, and I think it's really critical. important because we're all reporting on nanotechnology and this nanotechnology in your bloodstream that's going to control your brain. I personally, I don't buy it. I am looking at the biggest bunch of chuckle-headed morons that couldn't even figure out how to stop the cold. The vaccine program is a total disaster. So if they are like, where are these diabolical geniuses that can make nanotechnology that can control your brain? I haven't found one. These guys are the dumbest

idiots there are. They literally look this COVID vaccine. What a disaster. Everything they do is a disaster. And so I would say this, yes, look at it. Yes, be worried. You know, they think they're God. But they definitely are not gods,

and they're totally fallible. I would say this about any film at the high wire show. If what we keep reporting on and investigating is making you afraid or it's making you feel like you're not powerful enough to stand up, turn it off.

Turn off the hotware if that's what's doing. Because that is not our point. What we're showing you is they got way out over the tips of their skis, could never get the science to work for them. That's what this is about. Do you realize, you think they didn't want to do a double-blind trial? They could never make one work. They've never been able to compare vaccinated and unvaccinated

to show you that the vaccines are making you healthier. They literally have to hide. They go run around the science. They're that stupid. Their product sucks that bad. Stop thinking they're that great. They're dumb, you know, they're totally fallible, and we are destroying them as we speak. Maybe see that they're saying.

So, just to get back to what I was saying earlier about being lefties and other left and people who lefts have switched on this vaccine and big pharma issue, what has anybody found a good way to talk to those people? What do you think is the best way to talk to them? And what could be a way to get their mind open to the possibilities that your film presents? Show them the film? I remember when we went to we were in Southern California, in that seat there, one of the packed premieres with the next, the line for the next premiere, after it, outside, pediatrician was sitting there. He was dragged, kicking and screaming to that premiere. He didn't want to go. He didn't believe any of it.

He was fully invested in vaccination. he made a ton of money doing it and a mother dragged him to this movie and he stood up at the end and he turned around and he faced the audience and he said, I'm so sorry I feel ashamed and I will never give another backseat

that's the power of film and so they need to people need to see this film whatever political persuasion they are when you see this becomes undeniable I said, well, and I want to say this, and it's something that, you know, when I started to work with Andy, when I said, I want to help you with your film, he said, do not join me if you were going to keep your job, see, yes.

Do not join me if you're going to hold out a lifeline, what he said to me. He said, because I'm in this fight to the end, and my experience is people that hold out lifelines to use them. And so I only want people that are in for the entire entire journey. And you were really honest about it. You said, I want you to pick the weekend. Don't answer now. Go think about it.

And don't come back here unless you're really willing to bring it. And I want to say this. We can judge Marcus Ervos, and we can judge a lot of people. But I guarantee we've all had a Marcuservos mom. I guarantee even I at some Thanksgiving dinner or somewhere during COVID. I knew what the truth was. And I just thought, I don't want to mess up the family moment here. but I don't want to upset this person I know.

Let's just keep it civil. And I didn't talk about it. And some of those people have gone, and they've destroyed their lives. And so what I would say is this, is exactly what Andy said. This movie can only change the lines of those that see it. And if you do not have the courage to hand this to that Democrat, that liberal friend, or whoever it is, then we can't change this. And all we can do is we sit here is all we can do is make a movie.

We've done our part, and we're going to push this far and wide as we can, but you are, does CNN control the world, or do you? Does MSNBC actually have control of this, or do you? You are the distribution company right now. We need you to share this with everyone you know. Let's show the world how powerful the people really are. It's we the people. That's what media represents, and that is our only hope right now.

And so I just want to say to you, be fearless, be courageous. Let go with the lifeline. This is where we want to be. This is where we're supposed to be, and it's a powerful place to be. I want to thank you, because I know you're all going to be a part of making that happen. To get back to a question about, you know, how can we reach people who are our detractors? I'm actually going to make the case for compassion and forgiveness on this basis. During COVID, we had so much fear, you know, 24-7, that everybody was living in their

limbic system, which is this very primitive part of the brain that has to do with fear. And when you're that afraid, you cannot think rationally. So for me, there were people in my family that took very different few points for me. And it did end up, you know, with some Thanksgiving moments, but we have to have fear in compassion and and move forth from there so I'm a southern woman you know I kind of speak softly but when we say things with compassion and forgiveness and not necessarily be in confrontation mode 24-7 I think there is value in that too so England just announced that Kirstarmer announced the rollout of their

digital IDs and which bring you know the Western world closer to being like China except we don't have any of the cool stuff that China has done at least if we had high-speed rail I've got it maybe so right now there's a big influence in the United States government Palantir is ratcheting up the surveillance state and do you think that will ever, well, of course, we're going to have to fight against a digital ID coming to the United States. And what are your fears about that? And what's the best way to do that? I mean, I think it's going to be the issue of our time. But this, you know, this vaccine issues behind all of it. The control of humanity is still the vaccine. It's going to be a

vaccine passport, all of that digital ID is for vaccine. That's right. You're absolutely right. And because I think if you're really being honest, any major leader in these huge nations watching the world grow, they all have to have conversations about resources. Do we have enough resources? And we can argue whether or not they're trying to reduce population with the COVID vaccine now, but what you have to know, and when you look at Club of Rome and you look at all the

writings that have come for decades if not centuries population control is the dream of all leadership and there is no better way to control population than a vaccine program where people will just line up take whatever injections you'll give them never ask a question don't know the name of it say you know why do you get the hepatitis because it's the first one that they give you once you're in that mindset you can be injected with whatever you need and let me point out you've already been fertility vaccines used in Kenya, used in India. We use vaccines on the deer population in America to just stop the fertility of deer. So vaccines being used for fertility is in the writing, it's in the plan, and they want

a system that you just have to show up, and then you want to talk about selection? I mean, how will you ever know? Why are the rich people all doing fine? Why does that neighborhood that's poor, not able to have children? All of that is controlled in a vaccine program. All that has to happen through digital IDs. How do you know? Well, my ID, oh, they get the little, you're getting the orange shot, that one gets the green shot.

All of that is our future. We are so close to that dystopian nightmare. But again, I don't say that to be debilitating. You can't be afraid of it. Look what we've achieved. But what you have to realize is the people on this stage are not enough to change this. going to take all of us. This is literally a founding father's moment. I remember being in history classes and dreaming about, can you imagine if you were in that moment where, you know, George

Washington and people were going to cross this frozen river wide and they did and change the course of history. Man, that's never, I mean, we were so comfortable. Like nothing interesting looked like was going to happen in our lifetime and now suddenly shut down of the world that we live in, forced to be in our homes, our schooling taken away, our church is shut down, our liquor stores kept open, injected with a product that wasn't even properly tested. Cancer now running rampant from that. Building viruses that are escaping, and our biggest problem of the viruses we're making, not the ones we're fighting.

I mean, folks, it is on. This is that moment, this moment, the fact that we're winning, we've got to not just be winning. We have to win this. What we're looking at right out in this audience, our generation, this moment, we are writing the history books right now as we speak. And we will either go down as the greatest generation that ever lived or the one that failed and lost everything. We are on the precipice of total authoritarian control. The United States of America is almost the only nation not falling for it. Maybe you could argue Russia, which someone pointed out to me the other

day for what that's worth. But we stand for something in this country. We stand for the power of the individual, the only nation like it. And when you see all of our education systems that's the greater good of everybody over the individual, that might sound great on Star Trek. That is not what this country was founded on. Our country was founded on. You know what greatness would be?

Is if everyone finds the greatest part of themselves, if they become the dynamic, God-given-filled creation of God and the image and light this up, if they express themselves completely and focus on doing that thing that we're almost starting to do. We as a nation will be a greater whole. We'd be a greater body of people. We are called upon to be the best of ourselves.

That's what our founding body demanded. That is what this moment demands. And I believe if we focus on that, we will stop this insanity. But it is going to take everybody that if you feel like you want to be asleep at the wheel, then we'll have to live with that. We'll have to live with wherever this goes. This is our moment. I know you're asking yourselves, okay, how can we be the best version of us?

What do we do? How can we contribute? I think the answer is twofold. You make sure that you've seen this film, another nine people in your life see this film, and for each one of those nine, another nine see the film. Okay, that's one thing that you can do that's very simple. And the other is to support films like this because they make a profound difference. Lots and lots and lots of little support helps make this kind of movie.

Okay? Those are two things, concrete things she really can do. So I just want to say that maybe with four filmmakers, the other filmmakers haven't really had a chance to say much. But congratulations on an outstanding job. Thank you. And you. Let me be welcome to you. One note on this.

The thread of this, the thread of this, it is the great unifier. I've had the honor of being on the road with these two guys actually, but they drove for the first 23,000 miles of the vast bus. And I saw Nation of Islam walk with Orthodox Jews. I challenge you to name an issue where you'll see two more different groups walking side by side for the same issue. And that's the threat of this. And historically, the most feared individuals, whether for good or for bad, and there's been a lot of bad, have been unifiers. And all of our society is designed to keep us in our echo chambers.

which is a book called The Hype Machine, that I thought, I read it because I thought it was about, how do we use social media and an era of censorship? And it turned out to be a book on behavior manipulation. And all of that, everything we experienced electronically, they have so much data, so much science, behind how do we manipulate behavior? They never want what happened in 2016 to happen again.

And that's when Donald Trump was elected. He leveraged all of those things to become elective and did it masterfully that time. And they said, we don't ever want that to happen again. We have to put people in their bubbles, connect them with their own people, and enhance, strengthen the message in that echo chamber. And the result is what we are experiencing today. People who are not socially capable of having a conversation, of finding a conversation, of finding common ground of approaching with compassion. And I think that's the secret to it, is finding common ground.

And we are all connected by a set of common morals, of values, whatever you want to call that. You started that place. And I watched Dell countless times in offices with legislators or in really, really hostile environment sometimes. He breaks it down and you saw it here even with Zervos. These two guys were totally opposite size. But they approached and he found common ground with Zervos and it's a really been a masterful thing to watch and that's what we all need to do. Find common ground because then the guard comes down and you plant a seed that just keeps them up at night staring at their seat. You know, I always say I come from the left, but lots of, when I grew up and do live events,

I have lots of conservatives, have lots of MAGA people, I have lots of military people come up to me and thank me for the message I gave during COVID, because it kept insane, because everywhere else was telling them they were crazy. And that's a great point, is that my big message is that that's how they keep the status quo is by keeping us divided and keeping the left and right, hating each other, and blaming each other for the problems, when in reality we share a common enemy, and that enemy is not your neighbor.

Your neighbor is suffering just like you are under that same oligarchy, and we don't live in a democracy, which was proved over a decade ago by the Princeton study. So just keep in mind that all the powers in the world are there to keep us hating each other and blaming our neighbor for the problems. And, you know, they talk about fascisms coming to America. I can't think of a bigger fascist moment than the government forcing people to take an experimental medical treatment with no long-term studies.

And you all look through it. And I just want to thank everybody here up on this panel for the hard work for sticking their neck out except for Deliaz. It doesn't mean anything to him. But I want to thank you all for doing what you're doing and you're an inspiration to me and to everybody and I really appreciate everything you're doing. It's great work on this film and I'm going to spread it as much as I can. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much for coming up. bread with the stuffing on in the mayo and then more bread. You do realize that's all bread. I'm just putting that out there. You're off, you're way off keto today. It's okay. I hope you enjoyed

yourself. We certainly enjoyed making this film and I hope you'll go on to share it with more and more people. If you're brand new, it's the first time you heard about us, the first time you've watched this film, welcome. As you notice, we back everything we do with science. Science is something you hand people. And you can say, here's our evidence. It's not a loud voice. It's not some dogmatic statement like, of course we've done placebo trials. Really? Hand them to us. Have you ever asked yourself why we haven't seen a single placebo trial?

Even though Robert Kennedy Jr. gets attacked for it. The experts say, no, that's ridiculous. It exists. But you never see it. No one ever sees it. How about we asked the New York Times publish any placebo trial of the childhood vaccines that are on the schedule. Just put it on the front page in the New York Times.

Let's end this forever. They can't do it. They won't do it. Partly, I know that because we've sued the government and asked for it. and it's not there. If you want to continue to watch this work that we're doing, I hope you'll come back after Thanksgiving. Next week, we get back to the grindstone

and all the breaking news that's affecting your health and the science behind it. Thank you for watching The Highwire. I hope you enjoyed an inconvenient study. Enjoy the rest of your holiday, and I'll see you next week on the Highwire. I don't know. I don't know.

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