The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 454: THE PATH FOR HUMANITY

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

The fallout from last week’s HISTORIC ACIP meetings continues. Attorney Aaron Siri joins Del in-studio to break down his powerful presentation to the committee and the panicked response from doctors.JEFFEREY JAXEN REPORTS: President Trump signals major changes ahead for the vaccine program, telling reporters, “We’re going to be reducing it very substantially.” We break down what this means for American families.AND: They built a vegan empire with restaurants across the country. Now Mollie and Ryland Englehart are running a cattle farm called Sovereignty Ranch. What changed? Their stunning transformation — and why they think you need to hear about it.Guests: Aaron Siri, Esq., Mollie and Ryland EngelhartBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Yeah! Let's do this. Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are out there in the world. It's time to step out into the high wire. I have to say last week was sort of like a pinnacle event, at least in my life and certainly in the work that we've done with the high wire and I can, the informed consent action network. You know, when I started this journey looking at the damage that vaccines was doing and put out the documentary vaccines. walked away from my television career at CBS, you know, there's certain milestone moments that

you were praying would one day happen. And, you know, one of the biggest ones, the biggest story we had, the easiest way to talk about what was wrong with this vaccine program was the hepatitis B vaccine. The world's stupidest vaccine for 99.95% of babies born in America. Of course, if you're born to a mother that's hepatitis B positive, maybe you need to look at this differently. But for all the rest of the 99.95% the babies born in America, why were they being forced to take the risk with aluminum loads and all of it? The story goes on and on. We've covered it here, a five-day safety trial, but all of it has always just been from podcast and from the high wire. And, you know, I guess Robert Kennedy Jr. started talking about it and

then ultimately becomes HHS secretary. But to have this conversation happening in Inside the castle walls, inside the CDC, uttered from the mouths of scientists on the advisory committee on immunization practices, Houston, the world has changed, man. We are in a totally different world now. Of course, I'm talking about the ASIP meetings last week, two days. They were historic, and they made the changes that we were hoping for, that we were praying for, and that we were dreaming about. But that's not to say there wasn't a different side of the story, a different representation, those that were still shilling for pharma and saying, where's the evidence of harm? I am asking you, what is the risk of a hepatitis B vaccine? Is there any evidence of harm? There is clearly evidence of benefit.

Is there any specific evidence of harm of giving this vaccination before 30 days or is this speculation? How does changing the recommendations and going against decades of data and safety and efficacy correct the problem of process of not having informed consent? All you're focusing on are these very rare, ill-defined side effects and completely ignoring the extraordinary benefit and promise that these vaccines apply to us. Anyone in the presenter, any of the presenters, or anyone on the ACIP is welcome to present any solid and reproducible evidence of harm. I guess people are opposed to the neonatal birth dose because they think there's harm that outweighs benefit. Well, why does that change at two months? Is there any less evidence or any evidence of less harm? If the series has started at two months instead of one month, I'm unaware of that.

We'll lose at least some of the protective effect, and I don't think there's any reduction in risk, not that there is any risk that we're aware of. The hepatitis B vaccine program is one of the world's greatest achievements in medical health in the protection of children, and I will reassert that for the third, that reason we have a very high bar to consider before we change, make any changes to the current program. As physicians, your ethical obligation is premium non-nokre. First, do no harm. And you are failing in that by promoting this anti-vaccine agenda without the data and evidence necessary to make those informed decisions. So I urge this committee to make sure that you do your job appropriately so that we can take care of our patients and not political theater

which what this has become i mean it was such an incredible exchange at the is it meetings last week of course hepatitis b vaccine was on the chopping block and it is now changed not recommended for healthy mothers that are hepatitis being negative not recommended for their babies. It's now shared decision-making, but probably one of the most important voices in the country on this conversation has been fighting it in courtrooms, was also sitting inside those hearings. I am honored to be joined right now by our attorney for the Important Consent Action Network, Aaron, Siri. Aaron, I mean, just breaking that down, right? Where is the evidence of harm? We didn't see it in the four-day safety trial.

that we had with no placebo group. I mean, it's literally what I think of the work that you've done with Stanley Plotkin and what the world just got to see, and I mean the world, this wasn't just people that have tuned to Stanley Plotkin. This is the whole world is now seeing how these doctors think. They have no studies. They do no science. They avoid doing the science. And then when you have a problem, they say, well, where's the evidence of it? I don't see any evidence because they've never done the science to get any evidence. And I really think they showed their cards at this hearing. There's probably more evidence of harm than, let's put it this way, it's incredible how they could not see stuff that's literally staring them right in their faces.

And I'm not talking about the families who are saying that these vaccines injured them or hurt them and, you know, in case reports even. I'm talking within their own federal government data. For example, just a few, not that long ago, there was a newborn baby that died within hours of getting a hepatitis B vaccine at birth. Okay, so that's the only shot they got. You know, when the babies die at two months or four months, there's a lot of other vaccines. So this was only the Hep B vaccine. It wasn't a table injury.

It was adjudicated as having been caused by the Hep B vaccine in the vaccine injury compensation program, which I will tell you is no small feat. Yeah. Because you are going up against the Department of Justice. They have all the experts. you have no discovery, you can't get documents, you can't depose anybody, you still have to prove it, you have to get an expert that's willing to do it. To prove that is a monumental feat. And let me, so here we have clear, as they evidence, of a baby dying at birth, right after being

born from the Hep B vaccine, you know how many babies have died on day one from a Hep B itself, the disease? Zero. Never happened. Never happened. So, so here we have on day one, we know which one, death from the vaccine, none for it. But they don't want to look at that. And they don't want to look at the myriad of other injuries caused by this product. They don't even believe what the manufacturers are saying about what harms this product. They have a basis to believe are causally related to these products. Ender XB, probably the most common Hep B vaccine given to babies,

disclosures in Section 6.2, as required by federal law, only those reactions for which is a basis to believe there's a causal relationship. Right. Encephalitis. Brain swelling. And it's a philopathy. Right. Brain damage.

They're not disclosing that for fun. They threw it in there because, as the federal law says, you only include things for which there's a basis, believe there's a causal relationship. Right. And they want to play, you know, they want to cover their behinds. And they want to keep saying what, I mean, Meisner, by the way, it looked like he was about to cry. He was so just flound. over this whole thing, but he just kept saying, where is the evidence of harm? I mean, an ill-defined issue that is so rare, you know, why are we, like, backing off?

I'll tell you why, because this disease you're fighting is so effing rare in babies. So why does rarity matter when it comes to the injury when, I mean, when I was hearing these numbers, did I hear this right? The known transfer, like studied of, like, children that actually somehow got hepatitis B and community transfer is something like 400. I think it was said to be 16,000 or something, but it's something like 400 cases have happened. Is that right? Am I getting that number right? So, you know, if Cody Meisner could calm down enough to actually rationally weigh the risk versus the benefits, which I don't think he can because he believes they're completely safe. It doesn't matter.

Yeah. You know, he has endless apparent sympathy for anybody that's injured by Hep B itself, the disease, which he should. Same thing. Yeah, right, right. He gives no accord clearly, and he calls almost just dismisses that family whose child died of Heppey, the dad who testified, or even this compensated case, which is a separate one. And there are other numerous cases of reported deaths from hepatitis B vaccine. But putting that aside, if he could calmly and rationally weigh it, he would say, okay, on the benefits, side, for a non-HEPB positive mother, a non-HEPB positive mother,

grandmother giving birth, what is the number needed to treat? Meaning how many injections, how many babies do you have to inject to prevent one case of chronic hepatitis B? In which you heard Retz-F. Levy say, who's from MIT and Mathis's Bayloric, it sounds like he's saying it's somewhere in the hundreds of thousands to millions that you need to inject to prevent one case of chronic hep B. What is the number needed to vaccinated related to babies born to mothers tested negative to prevent one case of chronic hepatitis B? And I think that, I suspect that there is no answer to that question.

And the reason why there is no answer to that question is that the risk is so, so small that the numbers is probably in the millions. Okay, then that means the risk better be really. Well, especially when they're always saying, well, the injury is one in a million. Well, we're right inside of that now. We're in that ballpark right now. So you're saying that you don't think this thing's delivering one in a million risk, the vaccine itself. That would defy every moronic. I mean, it's a moronic statement anyway.

But we're literally in those numbers right now. And if you take every, you know, compensated case in VICP, you take, you give a court to the VAR system. Because, look, no doctor spends the time to follow VAERS report. they really think it's related to it. We know that. It takes forever to follow Vera's report. You know, it's incredibly frustrating. I know they say it doesn't prove a causation, and it doesn't, but doctors aren't following those for fun. They don't have time, and they do it when they really feel compelled to. And when you take accord to all of the case reports of hepatitis B injuries out there, and when you look at the data that compares kids that have gotten hep B versus those that don't,

look at the Goodman studies, for example, yeah, you are way, way more than one in a million serious injuries from hepatitis B vaccine yeah yeah I mean it's incredible the conversation that was the first vote that went on hepatitis B should we change the recommendation they did they changed the you know voted to remove it from direct recommendation now it's only recommended if your hepatitis B positive that is that essentially so yeah I mean just just to just to put just to put into perspective what they're losing their collective minds about all they did, okay, was they said for a non-HEPB positive mother, our recommendation starts at two months

versus birth. Right. For a happy positive mother, we keep it the same. That's what they did. Right. Just to be clear, because you know what the odds of a baby catching hepatitis B that is not, whose mother's not happy positive is for, it's ill. They're saying, well, there's, you know, we miss some happy positive mothers.

and for that reason, we want to vaccinate every single baby. Where you're talking, a birth quarter of 3.8 million babies a year. 3.8 million injections. Anyway. Yeah. For 99.95% of babies are being born to hepatitis B negative, meaning 99.95% of babies have no risk whatsoever. You are vaccinating everybody to try and protect against this tiny rare group of, people and i think some of the most important part of the conversation is their argument as well

the blood testing of mothers has dropped down to 88 percent is lower than it was even from 2002 therefore i mean it was you i want to jump through the television you want to scream so you have no problem in forcing a 100 percent vaccine uptake and you are putting parents and by the way you and i i call you Aaron i got another person calling me they're in the hospital they've given birth, their hepatitis being negative, and they want to get out of the hospital without getting a Hep B vaccine, and they're calling child protective services. They're threatening this mother. They're threatening to take it out of way that kid, but all of her kids, all, you know, that's what's on the chopping block here. And yet, that doesn't seem to matter. Like, we shouldn't have a

choice here because that 0.5% of children that might be at risk. I mean, the whole thing is so frustrating as a conversation. And so why would it? What, you know, what is a possible risk? I'll tell you what the risk is. The risk is to these parents that do not need this vaccine that are being threatened to have their kids taken away. That's the risk. That's the risk we're going to mitigate here and get rid of. Yeah, we get calls. And really, there's no, it doesn't seem to be geographically cabined or hospital cabin. It often seems to come down to who the attending physician is at that moment. Right. Where here you have a family. They just had a baby, you know, it's supposed to be a joyous moment, and that attending physician decides, no, this baby is going to get a happy vaccine, and the parents say no, and that maybe the attendant physician had a bad day, fought with their spouse, who knows, and decides that's it, no, threatens call CPS, and we get calls from parents in that in that moment that's supposed to be joy, you know, I mean, I think that's why maybe the number of folks choosing to have their babies at home is what it is, with a

so they don't have to deal with that kind of nonsense. But it is deeply troubling. And you have to ask yourself, like, if you're going to use the coercion of the state and have the government get involved, well, why don't you start by enforcing, if you're going to enforce anything, you shouldn't, you shouldn't, how about you give birth? You have a woman give birth and she didn't get a blood test. You lose your license. That's malpractice.

How about we go there, comfortably go there, comfortably go there instead of you give birth, your hepatitis B negative, you try to walk in this hospital or taking your baby away. I want the pressure on the doctor. How about do your damn job? Right, right, exactly. So if you're going to start with the thing that's 100% safe, you know, is I'm not aware of any injury.

He's a surgeon that had come from maternal screening for hepatitis B surface antigen. So enforce that. If you're going to mandate something, fine. Then do that. You shouldn't mandate anything. Yeah, I agree. But they don't because there isn't, you know, it's a different type of belief around it. But at the end of the day, like you said, the parents should be able to choose.

If they want it, they should be able to get it. If they don't want it, they should not have to get it. That sounds like the United States of America to me. That sounds like this is all supposed to work. It actually sounds like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, most provinces in Canada. It is pretty sad when I can start rattling. China even, I think don't you get a choice in China? A lot of those, I believe China is.

listed i've never verified that one myself directly i don't list it but yes it's a report a lot that china also doesn't have i mean it's it's pretty sad when there's lots of countries you can start listening that are have more freedoms than supposedly the land of the free i love that out of this president trump came out in support of bobby in support of aid sip at this meeting and then saying he's now put upon bobby i want a comparative study done immediately of our vaccine program compared to these other nations that are using less vaccines. That just seems genius to me. It also, I mean, I know that's, you know, I know that's been in the mix, but holy cow, we have a president that is, is, do we have a potential future where we're getting the Denmark schedule? What is the Denmark schedule when we talk about it right now? It has nine less vaccines in here in the United States. Wow. Nine less. I actually can rattle the whole schedule off. It's so simple. Wow. At three, five and 12 months, you get four shots, DTAP, Hib, IPV, and PCV, okay? Then at a year and something and four years, you get an MMR, you get another D-TAP at five years,

and then they give a guard. So, believe it or not, so bizarre, HPV vaccine at like 11 years, and that's it. And not mandated, right? Still all by choice. And there's no mandates in Denmark. I love to send that. I mean, that's the part. I want to make it clear to my audience because they're like, oh, what, you like the Denmark schedule?

My kids aren't getting any vaccines. I'm fighting to make sure I won't live anywhere where they were ever forced a single vaccine. But my favorite part of the Denmark schedule is it's not mandatory. It's not mandatory. And Dr. Gautja, who I actually was talking with the other day, he's like, we don't really have vaccine wars here. We don't have that. He's like, you don't want to get him?

Get him. You don't want to get him? You don't have to get him. And they have a culture there, he said, amongst the medical profession where they, and I've talked to others about this in Denmark, where they recognize the more vaccines they include, the more hesitancy they're going to have. So they're very sensitive by adding. For example, hepatitis B vaccine rate amongst children there is like 0.01 because it only give it to hepatitis B positive mothers and to high-risk groups.

In fact, my understanding, I was told by a medical professional in Denmark, you can't even get a hep B vaccine for a child in Denmark if they don't fall into those categories. You can't even get it apparently. Wow. And so America very high hep B-V8, Denmark, virtually zero. you know what the HEPB, actual HEPB rate difference between Denmark and the U.S. among children is? There's not really any difference. There's no statistical difference. Wow.

There's no difference. So that just gives you mindset. So they don't have that. They don't have T-DAP. They don't have R.S.V. They don't have COV vaccine. They don't have flu. I can keep going.

Yeah. So, and, you know, and by the way, they have far better health outcomes in Denmark than the U.S. There was another vote after the hepatitis B recommendation vote that got into TITERS. should we check for titers and if you're showing tithers if you're showing that you still have antibodies from shot one you don't need to get shot two or three again this amazing conversation there's no data on that we don't have data on that well let's take a look at some of what they had to say about this part of the vote we do know that a a tighter of 10 milli international units within three months after the third dose is sufficient. It is protective. But I think the question that has been

asked is whether 15 million international units after a single dose is sufficient. And that we do not know. But when you talk about minimizing harm, well, giving one dose and then letting a child become susceptible later in subsequent years because we don't know if that will induce sufficient cellular immunity I mean that's to me that's the harm the harm is not giving three doses we have plenty of evidence of efficacy there is no evidence in regard to lack of safety I'm surprised to hear you say that one dose may be as effective as three. There are absolutely no data to support that. And just because we achieve a serologic tighter of that we're trying to pass based on a limited understanding of a correlate

of protection that passes 10 after one dose of a vaccine that we would get the same immune response as we would after a series of three doses. I think it's an important question. I just have to say, again, there is no evidence of harm. People talk about a blood-brain barrier. Yes, it's different in infant than it is in older children and adults. But what does that have to do with reactions to the vaccine? I mean, you can always find something. if you look hard enough that you want to worry about i i i just don't understand uh what people are worried about here's what's amazing this is a couple things in this that first of all i think are very disturbing they want us to just believe like believe in the science unequivocally

but they tell you we've never studied whether one vaccine does the job or not even if it shows the antibody response antibody response is all that they ever look at to say that the vaccine's working, but here they don't want to use antibody response as a reason to not give other vaccines. But even more importantly, the hand that I felt was outed here was we don't understand how cellular immunity works in this vaccine. Oh, yeah, they don't. Completely and totally. Like, we don't know, right? So for anyone out there that may be questioning why we're here, oh, they're, you know, they're geniuses. They've got this widened. They don't even know how the damn product works. I mean, because what they're saying is,

we have seen people that have no antibodies but still mounted defense, which means there's a part of the immune system we have no concept about that is somehow working and it somehow works after three shots. We're not sure why, and we're not sure it might even work after one,

but we haven't done that science. We don't know Jack is what he's saying. We really don't know Jack, but we want all of you to shut up and stop asking any questions and just stick to the program that sells three of these products instead of one

because the manufacturer is going to make a hell of a lot more money selling three than one. He didn't say that. I'm adding that part in myself. Well, I make two additional points. One is they, in the absence of data, he says, oh, we should not make a decision to make it one dose. But when the absence, when it comes to efficacy, absence of data means a reason to just

halt in your tracks, don't move. Don't do it. But when it comes to safety, absence of data means, let's just run forward. Petal to the metal. Let's not worry about it. No issue. So that's one. I think that that highlighted that very clearly.

Yeah. Number two is, so, you know, if you open an immunology textbook, like the summer I have in my shelf in my office, right? Yep. And you start reading them and you get to the end of any particular chapter. It often ends with, at least the immunology, the medical ones I've got with, and here are all the things we still don't understand, how they work, why they're. they do it, how it happens, you know, how does your body, for example, when it's creating,

you know, naive B cells and so forth, how does it prune out the ones that would attack self, that would be for self? They don't even understand how that process works yet. They don't understand how some of the most basic parts of your immune system work, but yet, you know, they'll confidently do, he says, yeah, well, there's cellular immunity because when they tracked it, the antibodies for hep be du wane over time in fact some people it's undetectable but yet they do appear to a amount to a response even without antibodies yeah um and obviously they also you know they know so their cellular immunity because there are people who don't have the ability to create antibodies and those folks can live full lives right right so um yeah they know what's there

they know it's there but but the most revealing part is that but but it shows you i mean I mean, you know, again, it's the, you know, the absence of evidence, they are fine. They're like, oh, we cannot proceed, but on the efficacy side, but on the safety side, they have no problem. That just shows you, it's really revealing. It was a very major revealing hypocrisy, but it also shows, I think, for people that were really watching the whole thing, it's something I've said, these are not evil people. These, you can tell, they just have this blind spot. They don't see that the whole world just watched the hypocrisy.

Where there's no data on safety, then we just move forward and assume safety. Where there's no data on the amount of vaccines to take, we can't move at all. We shouldn't change anything at all. We've got to stay where we are. I think a lot of people saw that taking place going, wait a minute. You care about data when it suits selling the product. You don't care about data when it suits maybe being conscious like four-day safety trial. Maybe it wasn't long enough.

I'll put it in the most, I'll put it in the nicest light I can for them, okay? Yeah. And this is the nicest light I can. And I've seen this over and over with them. The way they see it is every shot in the arm is a benefit because they're protected. But that's not the right metric. You could say every shot in the arm is a potential for harm, too, but they don't view that metric either. They need to look at what we talked about earlier, the number needed to treat.

How many shots in the arm does it take to prevent one X of what you're trying to prevent, which is chronic hep? They don't look at it that way. He sees every shot as the benefit. And then when it comes to the risks, he has to say it's completely safe because if he thought about it in terms of number needed to treat, the risks would have to truly be one in a million. If it's any worse than that, they're in bad territory for non-hyppy positive mothers. It was really awesome to hear ICANN mentioned in an ASIP meeting. the fact that they brought up, you know, our query to the CDC, you know, asking, is there any, you have any example, one single case of a child catching Heppe in a school setting?

Of course, they came back and said we don't have anything that responds to that. That was brought up at the ASIP meeting. Yeah. Let's take a look at that. That's a great moment. Yes, it can occur among certain high-risk immigrant communities, but, The evidence for horizontal transmission among most U.S. children is very, very sparse, and really all these years has been based on a fit to seropositivity data that really wasn't statistically significant.

Just a final note on horizontal transmission in childhood. The informed consent action network, ICANN, ask the CDC through their lawyers, and I believe one of them is testifying tomorrow here, for documentation, sufficient to reflect a case of transmission of hepatitis B in a school setting. The CDC's response, a search of our records failed to reveal any documents pertaining to your request. But look, there's being, you know, having ICANN mention in a case that you brought, but nothing beat watching you give, you know, an entire dissertation on the vaccine program. First of all, how did you find out that that was going to happen?

Bobby, reach out to you directly? No, I had a call from the CDC. Really? Yeah. Wow. I mean, it was just amazing. Of course, it's the body of the work that we've been presenting here, like years and years in making a lot of the lawsuits that we've won.

But just for a taste of it, here is what that incredible dissertation looked like. I was asked to speak about the development of the U.S. childhood vaccine schedule. I'd understood, actually, I'd be speaking about the schedule alongside Dr. Paul Off and Dr. Peter Hotez, who I understood. But it appears I will be presenting about this on my own. To provide a visualization of the schedule between 1983 and today, on this slide, what you will see are all of the standalone routine vaccines given in 1983 versus today. So you can see there's been a significant increase in just the routine vaccines. The concern is that not one of them was licensed based on a placebo-controlled clinical trial, nor was any vaccine.

used as a control to license any of those vaccines, license based on a placebo control trial, nowhere down the chain. And we shouldn't even have to do this because the Secretary of HHS has made this point clear many times. It's a critical point because without a proper baseline of safety, you're laying assumption upon assumption that the product is safe as you see serious adverse event rates in those trials because you're just looking to see as a as safe as the existing product. Why do we need the 1986 Act if vaccines are so safe too? Why does a product need immunity if it doesn't cause harm?

Why do products that have been in the market for decades, like the hepatitis B vaccine, still need that immunity? Do we still not know they're safe enough to lift the immunity on those products? If there are members of this committee and prior committees and any future committee that wants to increase vaccine confidence, I would say that there are three things that they should think about. and look at. Number one, need to de-politicize vaccines. You need to take them out of politics. And the way you do that is you have to end mandates. Mandates make vaccines political. When you take away somebody's right, you have made it no longer just a medical question. You've

made it a legal one. You've made it a political one. Lastly, I would say we do need to care about everyone. We should absolutely critically important to care about any child that would be injured or die from an infectious disease. Critically important. It was incredible. I could talk about that, but I think really let's talk about the response. At the end of your presentation, everyone got to weigh in or ask a question, and Cody Meisner was just absolutely out of his mind that you were even allowed to give this presentation. Let's take a look at this.

The implication is that the safety of this vaccine was not measured. That's outrageous. We're preventing disease. All you're focusing on are these very rare, ill-defined side effects and completely ignoring the extraordinary benefit and promise that these vaccines apply to us. But for you to come here and make these absolutely outrageous statements about safety, I think it's a big disappointment to me, and I don't think you should have been invited. I will be completely honest.

I think the most egregious thing, if I may, is to call and reflect on folks who have been injured by these products as somehow rare and ill-defined. There are clear, serious risks. You just stop listening to parents. HERSA didn't give that long list of harms to the Institute of Medicine out of nowhere. Didn't come out of GROC or chat GPT. It's real. These are real lives.

These are real people. Now, I understand, I totally understand that an infectious disease doctor every day is confronted by folks who are harmed by infectious disease. So I understand that they are more oriented towards that. And obviously, for me, I, every day, have encountered folks who are injured by these products. And so obviously I'm more oriented to that. I accept that bias, by the way. I accept it.

But I am willing to say that vaccine, that children can die have infectious disease. But, you know, the families who are impacted the other way, they're not, they're just not treated right. And until they are recognized, treated well, accepted by mental community, don't have nasty notes put in their file if they say it's from vaccine. I've seen that often and off over and over. That's just going to continue to grow vaccine hesitancy in this precious program that you're, you know, that you're worried about. It's, you're going to be its own undoing.

I mean, he was obviously very upset. Of course, you know, it's ridiculous to save a problem with the five-day safety trial. I mean, I just, in what world? In what world? I mean, it just, we are living in two different worlds. I mean, watch just the two of you right. there and there's many watching this show probably most are rooting for you in that moment but you sit there and going these are two people that believe what they're saying how could they be

so far apart right i mean it was mind-blowing to watch well he's taking issue and he's using adjectives and pejoratives to describe he's pretending to deflect it on me but he's really really talking about, you know, the data. He's upset really about what he saw substantively. And instead of a substantive response, what did he respond with? Emotion. It's ridiculous. It's how dare you say they weren't properly studied. How dare I'm, it's what the studies were. Like he got all apoplectic about it's. I don't think you said that's too short. I think you just said this is how long it was. I mean, you know, that it was ridiculous to claim the, you know, the new macaqueville vaccine wasn't properly trialed. I mean, I literally

quoted CDC FDA, own scientists saying, yeah. He got upset when you quoted Stanley Plotkin and Paul Offutt. How dare you quoted them. How dare you bring them into this conversation as anti-vactors? It was orange seed and Plotkin. As if I make it, I'm just, they're the ones pointing out the gaps. So it's okay for them to say it in their 2024 article when there was We're trying to get money, right, to do supposedly more safety science, even though they, in that article, while admitting all the, you know, also described what they kind of wanted to do, which was going to not really be. They wanted to affirm safety, not study safety. So it's okay for them to do that. But for me to quote them saying the gaps, somehow that's inappropriate. It's, it really is amazing. It just shows you the blind spot he has. It's because the man is not thinking in that moment. You could see that. He is believing. He's is emotional about it he cannot accept the evidence that was right in front of his eyes he can't accept it because it's it's destructive to what he believes not what he's thinking i love the point that you made there you ultimately said look i get if you're looking infectious disease that's what you're

looking that's what you're seeing you know all i'm seeing i get that i'm a lawyer and i'm getting all the injury oh i said i'll see both you know i accept both but that's what i love that you said say i'm willing to admit that people die from the disease, but you are not willing to admit it doesn't sound like that people are dying from this vaccine. And that is the problem. It's been the problem from the very beginning. It's what I dealt with when I was Director of Communications for Robert Kennedy Jr. I just kept saying to Bobby, this is very simple. You just say, all that we're saying is there is a group of people who are being maimed, injured, and killed every year by these products, and we just want them to be recognized. And we want science to figure out

how to stop injuring them. We want science to figure out how to help them once they have been injured, but it takes recognizing that they're there and ignoring them is only making this worse. And you made that point so clearly, it's the only point. Vaccine injury is real. If it's rare, okay, prove that. By the way, where's the data on how rare is it? We know how rare hepatitis the disease is, especially amongst hepatitis B negative moms,

but how rare are these injuries? Whether it's rare or not, which it's not, is not the right question anyway, but that's what they want to talk about. It is doing that comparison, which they don't even want to do. And even after you've done it, then you have to be honest about it. And then you should also try, if you're going to keep these products, to minimize it. They don't do any of that. And that's the problem. They just want to pretend like these folks don't exist.

They want to pretend those kids who are dying or not dying. The kids who are seriously injured, arm and seriously injured, the kids who are in wheelchairs, who are paralyzed from vaccines, are not happening. The kids who have neuropathies, that's not happening.

The immune issues are not happening. They just want to pretend none of these things exist, but that is going to be the undoing of this whole program. It really is. I agree. And the more that they keep mistreating the folks who are injured by these vaccines, the more they're going to end up in a really bad place.

In Denmark, probably the folks who aren't getting vaccines are the ones who are injured. so they can avoid them. But then they go and they say, no, you're in California. Don't care if your older kid died with the vaccine. You've got to keep giving them to the younger ones. Don't care if your kid's in a wheelchair from a vaccine.

And we know some of those folks in Cali. They're out of school now unless they get more of them. What do you think you're going to do? What do you think you're creating when you do that? Leave that percentage of the population alone. And if you don't, that will be the undoing of this program. And that's why what the AAP did, I said it on the show, by saying get rid of all exemptions, non-medical exemptions,

because you can't get medical exemptions. It's controlled by the medical community, they're not going to, is that is going to be the death knolls of this program. I have to say, you know, this is not a political show. I'm not into being political, but this is only happening right now

because President Donald Trump is allowing it to happen, brought Robert Kennedy Jr. in, but I said earlier in this conversation, he really went out of his way to make a point, you know, Ding Dong the Witch is Dead, there goes the hepatitis B-vaccine, the vaccine that so many people didn't need, overused, really was outspoken about it.

But I am, you know, demanding essentially that Robert Kennedy Jr. now do a comparative look and study at our vaccine program to other nations that are getting far less. They are doing just fine. What are the implications of the President of the United States making a statement like that? What do you think that means, really? Oh, it's massive. So Article 2 of the Constitution invests in one person. the entire executive powers under those Constitution, right?

So right now, Donald J. Trump is the embodiment of Article 2 effectively, right? He is, he has all of the executive powers embodied in the Constitution under Article 2, including those that are given over by Congress under Article 1 and so forth. And so when the president speaks and the president says this is now the policy within the confines of the Constitution, obviously, and within the confines of the statutory scheme that Congress allowed to enact, that is the directive of what the executive branch is supposed to do, right? It's a pyramid, and he's right at that top. And so that directive, that empowers Secretary Kennedy to now go and do.

In fact, Secretary Kennedy actually is required constitutionally to do what the president has directed him to do. And you know what else that means? Any deals that Secretary Kennedy had, like let's just say with one or more senators, okay? Those deals, first of all, like with, you know, this supposed deal that Senator Cassidy says he has with Secretary Kennedy, that wasn't enforceable to begin with.

You can't bind, one member of Congress can't bind the executive branch to do anything in that way. That's totally unconstitutional to begin with. But now, now that the president has spoken and given that directive to Bobby, if Senator Cassidy tries to say to Bobby, no, you had a deal, he'd be, Senator Cassidy will be violating the Constitution. Wow. Because Article 2 vests that power in the president. And basically what he's saying is, no, I get to override the president. Wow. That's not the way this works. That's not the way it works. If he wants, he can go try to pass a law as long as it complies the Constitution to direct the executive, but barring that, he needs to sit on the sidelines.

Amazing, amazing stuff, Aaron, I know you've got to run. You've got a case potentially going to the Supreme Court amongst Amish children. So beyond just having this incredible week that you just had at ASIP, this maybe could end up being one of the most important cases on religious freedom there is. What just happened? There was a ruling that came down, explain what that was. Sure. So New York State, the Department of Health, decided that they wanted the Amish to abandon their real religious beliefs and adopt instead the Department of Health's religious beliefs.

They have a religious belief about vaccines, and they want the Amish to basically abandon their way of life and inject their children. even though it violates you're sincerely held religious beliefs and has started to find them fines that essentially would ruin them basically they're trying to kick them out in new york okay and remember these omish communities they don't take government money they still pay taxes because they they want to be law abiding they send their children to school in amish schools on amish land totally self-funded totally on their own property no government involvement in their own communities, these, you know, usually 20 kids in a room with no air conditioning, one teacher, just teaching the kids. So it was the New York State that just kept coming to this

community and finding them. And the Amish, they don't want to fight. They're very, you know, they're peaceable people and they don't want to engage with, you know, the non, with the outside community as much as they want. But, you know, this is an existential issue for them. They had to defend themselves and we ended up representing them. And the, as expected, the lower court and the Second Circuit ruled that no, the fines are a fine and it's okay to basically force the state's will upon the religious beliefs of the Amish.

Yeah, essentially. I mean, and that's what Roe, I mean, not Roe v. Way, Jacobson versus Massachusetts made them pay fine, made him pay a fine for not wanting the smallpox vaccine. So in some ways it's marrying that. There's fines involved. But what just happened in this case? So, yeah, I was going to say persecute them. Persecute them. Okay. Persecute them in the way of all. I mean, and so we went to the U.S. Supreme Court and we asked the Supreme Court to grant certiorari, which means allow us to go there. And they deny almost all

requests for certiorari. In fact, the other day, it was nine pages of cases listed. And the Supreme Court basically denied the request for certain, virtually every single one of them, but granted it in this case, which is a very good sign and signal, that they view the case as having merit and, you know, presumably want to help and grant relief to the Amish. But what they did is they granted cert, they vacated the Second Circuit's decision, and they sent it back down to the Second Circuit to reconsider, like, hey, reconsider this in light of a decision called Mahmoud that just came out between the two of them, which has implications on how the Second Circuit to decide this. So as it stands now, the Second Circuit will reconsider it,

and we'll see where they go with it. If, you know, they'll either decide, you know what, we better find a way to grant the Amish relief here, which would mean the Second Circuit, probably one of those liberal circuits in the country, will have to find a way to actually say yes. You can't have a religious exemption to vaccination, or they're going to decide to go the other way and again decide against it, and then it will go back to the Supreme Court of the United States to decide.

So that's where we're at. Amazing stuff, Aaron. You're in the middle of, I've said it before, making history. These are such important moments this year at 2026. I know we have a lot. We're working on it's so. important. I just want to say to everyone out there, it's your donations, your funding that have allowed us to have this incredibly talented lawyer on our side, fighting for the rights of our

children, the future of our species, and putting together this body of work that ended up being one of the great speeches at the advisory committee on immunization practices, the ASIP meeting. It's just been an honor to be on this journey with you, standing with you, watching you. It's incredible man. Keep up the good work. I really look forward to seeing what you get done in 2026. All right. Awesome. Look, it was historic. So we're going to play it for you. The moment, the first vaccine that I know of that has been on the schedule for, you know, years and years and years finally being removed from recommendation. Is this a sign of things to come? Here is what that vote looked like last week at ASIP. We have closed discussion. I'm going to go ahead and

call for the vote. Yay or nay on vote one. Going to vote no, no conflicts of interest. The language offers flexibility, access, coverage at any time I vote yes. Stein. Vote yes. Vicki Pabsworth.

I vote yes. Malone, yes. I vote yes. I vote yes. Yes. And I will just say, we have heard do no harm is a moral imperative. We are doing harm by changing this wording.

And I vote no. I agree with Dr. Meisner that this has a great potential to cause harm, and I simply hope that the committee will accept its responsibility when this harm is caused, and I vote now. For our DFO, what is the result of the vote? The DFO has transcribed eight, votes yes, and three votes no, the motion passes. Well, I mean, what a historic moment, eight to three vote there. Absolutely incredible. MIT scientists and inventors of MRNA technology. Really fantastic to see that this is finally happening.

And if you watch those hearings, it was just amazing to watch real dialogue happening, real questions. even from the you know from from both sides but let's be perfectly clear because this is being misrepresented in the media nobody yanked the hepatitis B vaccine from existence the only thing they did is say that is no longer going to be forced upon day when old babies we're going to make it shared decision making now it's going to be a conversation between you and your doctor oh my god earth-shattering end of the world if you were to listen to the pro-vaccine side of this god forbid this be a choice made by you and your doctor. Absolutely incredible. They just want to go around your doctor and say no matter what, you're forced to take it.

This is a hallelujah moment. Thank God. God is good. Absolutely fantastic. There was one famous scientist, doctor, if you will, that was not in attendance. It's been in attendance of many ASIP meetings throughout the years. In fact, I would say was, you know, one of the kings of the court, if you will, when we used to go there, there was only just Aaron and I at this country. Club called ASIP. Of course, I've talked about Dr. Paul Offutt. He didn't show up there, but he decided to make an appearance on TMZ of all places to talk about it. I just put out a post today on this. Take a look at this. Dr. Paul Offent appeared on TMZ this week to complain about the hepatitis B vaccine vote by the ASIP committee at the CDC. This is what he said. What changed here is that if the mother does not have hepatitis B, then basically they've said delay this vaccine until two months of age, to talk about it with your doctor, and you may choose

not to get it. That was what was the bad thing. But what's bad about that? 99.95% of pregnant mothers in America test negative for hepatitis B, which means their infants don't need this vaccine. But he goes on to say, it's just hard to watch this clown show, this parody of a public health agency act the way that they do. It's just we're all sort of standing back in horror. But you didn't have to stand in horror. You were. were invited to the CDC to defend your position, but you didn't show up. For your information, doctors Paul Offutt and Peter Hotez were invited to present and discuss their perspectives as well. Our intention was sincerely to hear a diverse set of views, but

Dr. Offit and Hotez declined our invitation. So Dr. Oppet, you skipped out on appearing at the CDC where the fate of children is being decided only to appear on TMZ. You do know that TMZ is is America's clown show, right? I've been having a lot of fun lately on my social media channels. So if you want to follow me there, I get a little bit lizard than we hear on the Highwire. You can follow me at DelBitry on all my social media platforms. Of course, there's also at Highwire Talk, at Jeffrey Jackson.

You definitely want to be following at Real Jeffrey Jackson, the Highwire. All of these different places, we're putting out sorts of different content, some of it more personal for me, having a little bit more fun on that side of it. But I meant what I said. I think it's outrageous that a scientist or a doctor is invited. Again, obviously afraid of having a debate with Aaron Siri. How is Paul Offick going to defend a five-day safety trial with no placebo study? The absence of evidence does not mean it's safe, yet that's what they want us to believe. And of course, they're irate. All they have is loud blustering on TMZ as a response to real science finally happening that is not being driven by the pharmaceutical industry.

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in the, really the world. I mean, they were taking the world by storm, but they had a huge awakening moment that we're going to talk about. You'll have to stick around and know what that's all about. But first is time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey. What do we have this week? I mean, honestly, like, I want to to just go plant some flowers, work on my, you'll get my house cleaned up so we could get ready for next year. I feel like we've done it. I just feel like it's just victory lap time. What an amazing years. We're coming into the clothes here. But still plenty of report on. The world is moving fast right now. Oh, for sure. And I want to reflect what you said to Aaron as well.

I really hope the public values the time we're in right now. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to have a deeper discourse about public health and science. And these chances, these windows don't come off. And as you and I both know, and this is a really, really great time. And I want to go back to that ASIP meeting because we have the co-chair, Robert Malone, Dr. Robert Malone, and he took a moment during that ASIP meeting to address what he called an elephant in the room because it was clear watching both those days at ASIP that there were two different sides of the public health discussion that really weren't talking to each other

on a specific topic. And this is what he had to say. Okay. I just want to acknowledge the elephant in the room. And the specific elephant, in this case, has to do with cumulative risk across the entire childhood vaccine schedule. And that is a risk for which we do not have adequate data. I think we can all agree on that.

that the the in its wisdom in practice the food and drug administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have focused almost exclusively on risks associated with a single product and in the case of the childhood vaccine schedule we have a potential cumulative risk of components of common components of vaccines, which may sum to a greater risk than the risk of the individual products since they are functionally co-administered within a very short time frame within the neonatal slash pediatric population. And this is a topic that has been raised repeatedly by a variety of communities. and my point of view is that this topic has merit. It's the whole reason why we now have a childhood vaccine schedule working group.

You know, I'm glad you played that because I do wanna give a shout out to Dr. Robert Malone who led the AASIT meetings over two days. I thought he was absolutely fantastic. I even texted Dr. Malone. For this, you were born, man. I just loved, you know, that articulate nature he has worked so well there. He was so well balanced.

I thought he handled it well, let everyone speak. But it was just fun to watch him in that position. And he makes such an important point there. We're just drilling down on one vaccine that was never tested. How about the entire cumulative, you know, cumulative dose of aluminum in all the vaccines when you start putting together, all those types of things? It's critical to this conversation. And it's never happened.

Yeah, and here we are. We're looking under a magnifying glass now at the safety of the childhood schedules individually and cumulative. And we're also looking at the recommendations. Now, the word is recommendation. And there's a wordplay here that the corporate media will say, well, it's just a recommendation. I even heard that in ASIP. We're just recommending them. But you and I both know, these are hard mandates. They're hard mandates for schoolchildren. They're hard mandates for parents with a newborn child at the hospital. Maybe don't take the hep B. That's a hard mandate right there. That's a C.P. depending on what hospitals, CBS visit. So President Trump has now jumped into the fight here, as you and Aaron both talked about. And he was asked at a press conference just recently about this magnifying glass, looking at this childhood schedule. Listen, what he had to say.

All right. As far as the vaccine schedule for children, would you support ending the federal mandates and making it optional for school? Well, we're looking at a lot of things having to do with vaccines and with the different, I think we take like 88 different different, different shots all wrapped up in one, one big glass of stuff like that, and we're going to be

reducing it very substantial. It'll be safe, but we're going to be reducing it for a substance. Let me throw back my mug of vaccines. I love that guy. I mean, it's fun to watch from obviously shooting from the hip, but, you know, we get the idea of the point. It's a load. 72 vaccines insane. How did we get to this point? Especially when you're watching Aaron's slides, right? When you look at how few it was into what it's exploded into. Exactly. And with that reporter, and the reporter for her, you know, hats off to her,

she actually used the word mandate, not recommendation. But you look at this memo. This is a presidential memo. This is directed to the leadership at HHS and CDC from the president. As Aaron said, this is really speaking for the highest laws in the land of the Constitution. And it says this. In January of 2025, the United States recommended vaccinating all children for 18 diseases, including COVID-19. Yeah, that up to about 90 doses, making our country a high outlier in the number of vaccinations recommended for all children.

Peer developed countries recommended fewer childhood vaccinations. Denmark recommends vaccinations for just 10 diseases. That's about 30 doses. With serious morbidity mortality, Japan recommends vaccinations for 14 diseases. It's about 46 doses. And Germany recommends vaccinations for 15 diseases. Again, it's about 42 doses. Other current United States childhood vaccine recommendations also depart from policies

in the majority of developed countries. So here we have now even political saying Trump is asking RFK to fast-track this vaccine schedule review. So that takes precedent now. That is number one. And so I want to expand on this because there's these recommendations, these mandates, and there's a safety research that needs to be. fast-tracked. But you talk to people like, I don't know, Peter Hotez or much of the legacy media,

people that have never apologized for pushing the COVID mandates as hard as they did during the pandemic. We can only guess that those mandates and the way they push them, canceling your unemployment, basically locking down until you can't go to restaurants until you get the shot, you can't travel, trains, all that. We have to think that that is their North Star. That is what they're aiming for for the mandates. That is their perfect world. So let's look at that perfect world. How did that do when you mandate it that hard? Well, there's studies to show this. There's actual data. And one of the studies looks at the state mandates, the U.S. state vaccine mandates, did not influence, according to this study, COVID-19 vaccination rates. So you look into this

study and it says results show that COVID-19 vaccine adoption did not significantly change in the weeks before and after state's implemented vaccine mandate, suggesting that the mandates did not directly impact COVID-19 vaccination. But it goes on to say it compared to states that banned vaccine restrictions, however, states that with mandates had lower levels of COVID-19 booster adoption, as well as adult and child flu vaccination. So it spilled over into other shots, especially when residents initially were less likely to vaccinate for COVID-19. So not only did it backfire with COVID, people said, I'm not even taking the flu shot. And it goes from there. But that was at the state level. But then there's another study that looks at city levels. Again, this, this

perfect utopia of full mandating, city levels, indoor vaccine mandates in US cities. And it says this, they say, we find that indoor vaccine mandates had no significant impact on COVID-19 vaccine uptake, cases or deaths across all nine cities that implemented the policy. I mean, we're supposed to be told

that's the reason they did it. It says this, these mandates clearly it impose severe restrictions on the lives of many citizens and businesses owners. Yet we find no evidence that the mandates were effective in their intended goals of reducing COVID-190. 19 cases in debt. So that's where we're at. And maybe someone listening to this may say,

well, hey, that's COVID. We're talking about childhood vaccines. That's with a fast track. That's what the presidential memos for. Well, that study was done too in the European Union. Looked at 2007 to 2013, the efficacy of mandatory vaccinations. And it said this. The enforcement of mandatory vaccinations does not appear to be relevant in determining childhood immunization rates in the analyzed countries. Those where a vaccination is massed, mandatory do not usually reach better coverage than neighbor or similar countries where there is no legal obligation. So across the board, you have some problems with mandates.

And so when the president, when ASIP members say, like, we really need to look at this incredible schedule of, you know, starting in January 25, 90 doses that we're putting on children up to 18. And they look at Denmark, Denmark, we keep hearing the word Denmark, what are they doing? Well, the Daily Mail wrote an article talking about the European nations that don't demand jabs. So there's no mandatory vaccinations in Denmark. And the head of this article, the headline says, they're doing just fine. And it says in Denmark, where health authorities do not mandate vaccines, 93% of children had received two MMR doses in 2024 and 90 to

95% were up to date on their polio vaccinations. In Sweden, 93.7% of children had got two doses of MMR in 2024 and 94.5% had received three doses of the polio vaccine. So this conversation about if we don't mandate the vaccines, there's going to be disease outbreak everywhere. Cities will burn. It's not happening. There's evidence. This is not the case. We have it right here in Denmark, in Sweden. So then the conversation goes to also safety. What is the safety of this cumulative schedule? And as Dr. Robert Malone said, we really don't have the full safety profile. There needs to be more studies despite what we're being told. It's just not studied. Well, we have two doctors, Dr. Neil Miller and Dr. Goldman. They did a study in 2011.

It's a very important study, and they looked at the infant mortality rates against the number of vaccine doses routinely given across several countries, the United States included. And they gave this linear regression analysis. This is the chart here, and this is just to compare infant mortality rate with a number of doses. And you see on the left side that infant mortality rate, and the bottom is the number of vaccine doses going across. And you can see that line drawn.

It's very clear, the higher the doses in their study, the more infant mortality rate in these countries with the U.S. being among one of the leaders there. But in 2019, so you can, you expect that that study was attacked. In 2011, the atmosphere for putting those type of studies forward was a little different. You had a lot of people that were attacking that type of science. So they were asked to do it again, and they did it again, 2019. They redid that study with the new numbers. And again, here's that linear regression analysis, same chart. You can see again, infant mortality rate. It's increasing with the number of vaccine doses. And these are just two variables, but this is a signal.

This is a warning. This is science. And this is why we're, we see Dr. Malone speaking. This is why he's saying we don't have the evidence, but we have, we do have evidence of some questions about infant mortality rate, but other health metrics when it comes to piling these vaccine doses on children into their childhood and adulthood. It's really amazing. And it's something that we've got to get to the bottom of.

It's just, it's not science. It's not, let me make it clear. It's not what we believe science is supposed to be doing. I'm starting to change my definition of science now as I look at all the different things we report on. And frankly, I think science is my new definition is the art of finding what you're looking for. Bias reigns supreme and whatever you decide is your hypothesis. You're going to do study after study after study until you finally figure out a way to do a study to get to, you know, to prove your hypothesis correct. And we see that in climate change, we see it in vaccines, we see it everywhere I look.

And it's happening on all sides, right? No one is not guilty of this. This sort of confirmation bias, Jeffrey, is what we're struggling with. And I want to say it's why I think an inconvenient study, the film that we've made, and this Henry Ford study, is so important. Because in this case, we did what science should do. Let's go to the group that has the opposite perspective and say, do this study and prove us wrong. I mean, that's what I did with Dr. Marcus Zervos. This is a guy

that said to me at dinner, I am pro-vaccine. It's the greatest invention in the 20th century. Great. Then would you do the vaccinated versus unvaccinated study and show me if you're seeing a better cumulative effect? Because that's what we're talking about, Jeffrey. That's what's in that study. The only way you really be able to look at that right now is let's look at kids that are getting the vaccines compared to those that aren't. Now, sure, it's not the first time that study's been done, but they just screamed bias, you know, that Paul Thomas is biased and, you know, Neil Miller is biased. Well, then let's go to the other bias and have them do that study. That is what I think is so incredible about an inconvenient study for anyone that maybe

hasn't seen it. You have to see it. You may know the truth, but you've never seen the truth delivered by what is supposed to be our opposition. And look at where we're at right now, 78 million edge requests, 29 million plus own channel views, 65 million global views, and that's just what we can see. I'm saying we're charging towards 100 million views. I hope to be there by the holidays,

but it's really changing the conversation around the world and it's going to affect more and more ASIP meetings, I think, in the future and stuff to come. So it's a very exciting moment. And that documentary, in my opinion, is the most important documentary right now for this time because we have top leaders in the country, top public health officials saying,

we really don't have the data. And that documentary shows that someone has actually done a study that is the data they don't have where they're saying, we should look into this, we have a working group. Well, this is step one for that working group is to look at documentaries like this. Everyone should watch this, if they want to be ahead of that conversation.

So you look at mandatory vaccinations. You look at the recommended childhood schedule. What's the opposite side? It looks like it may be going in a little different direction. Well, the opposite of that, we know this here very well at ICANN is informed consent. It's parental choice. And we had Kennedy come out and do something recently that we seem to be in somewhat alignment with. And he's fortifying the strength of the religious exemption.

Take a listen. A parent's right to guide their child's health decisions. That right is not optional. It's not negotiable. And under the Trump administration, it will. not be ignored. HHS has launched an investigation into a troubling incident in the Midwest. A school administered a federally funded vaccine to a child without the parents' consent and despite a legally recognized state exemption. When any institution, a school, a doctor's

office, a clinic disregards a religious exemption, it doesn't just break trust. It also breaks the law. It fractures the sacred bond between families and the people entrusted with their child's care. In addition, our Office for Civil Rights has the issued a letter reminding health care providers of their clear legal duty to give parents access to their children's medical records. If a provider stands between you and your child, HHS is going to step in. Let me be clear. Schools and health care systems cannot sideline parents. If a provider ignores consent, violates an exemption. or keeps parents in the dark,

HHS will act quickly and decisively. That's what I'm talking about. Fantastic. And, you know, in the age of social media where things kind of scroll off the screen, I hope the public realizes how big of a deal this is. And even looking at this HHS memo that was put out this press release,

just this headline alone, HHS protects parents' rights in children's health decisions. This is massive. And as he said here, I'm going to read from this. It says HHS has opened an investigation into a complaint that a Midwestern school illegally vaccinated a child with a federally provided vaccine without the parent's consent by ignoring a religious exemption submitted under a state law. So you want to kind of bridge these two gaps here. Essentially, the U.S. government is now seeing religious

rights as a civil right because you have this next letter here goes in line also with what Kennedy is saying from the Office of Civil Rights. And this is what it's following. under, it's titled, the HIPAA Privacy Rule and Parents Access to Minor Children's Medical Records. So that is also a right for parents. And maybe for some of the public that's watching this or some of the viewers, they say, this isn't happening. What are you talking about?

Maybe that's just one off case. Well, here's a bill in New York that's going through committee trying to get passed into law. This is S-1570. There's been many bills like this that we've covered on the show. And I'm going to read from this. It says the new section. So it amends public health law, but it says,

the new section authorizes health care practitioners to administer vaccinations to minors who are at least 14 years of age without their parents' knowledge or consent. So parents are done according to that. So you have a federal, you have federal rules and you have the federal leanings towards parental consent, putting parents' rights at the front of the class here. And then obviously you have states that are going a bit of a different direction. So it'll be interesting to see how this fight turns out 2026. But it's not just vaccinations. It's all drugs. It's all medications. Informed consent reigns king. And this is what we're seeing for our service veterans. This is a headline here. Vets say psychiatric drug risks are often

overlooked. A new law could change that. This is called the written consent act. It will require signed consent from veterans who acknowledge the side effects and risk of prescribed antipsychotics, stimulants, antidepressants, and narcotics. And as we know, the harms, we're still finding out the harms from the SSRIs. We're still finding out the harms, the addiction properties from narcotics, like opioids. So, and a lot of veterans, they just dole this out at the VAs, these drugs. A lot of veterans are not really given informed consent on this. And they're finding out the hard way after, you know, they have to deal with addiction, things like that. So informed consent is where it's at. And I want to say, I want to, I want to end with this. This is actually

some, a life lesson. It says, Whoopi Goldberg from the view showing that the long road, into the wilderness of the vision always comes out with absolute truth. Take a listen. All right. Why should any of these people be in these jobs? They're not qualified for them. Why have we, as Americans, not stood up and said,

excuse me, RFK, why are you telling me what to do with my family? Mind your business. I have a doctor. I have a doctor. I have myself. This is my family. And if I want my kid to get vaccinated, that's not up to you. I think Robert Kennedy should completely agree with her.

I mean, it just shows you like, have you ever watched one of these meetings? Whoopi, that's exactly what Robert Kennedy just did. He just said the government shouldn't be telling you what to do with this vaccine, especially if you are negative as a mother. You should have the right to choose and have the conversation with your doctor. It'd be nice if I, maybe Whoopie, does you? She just sit at home and watch reruns of her own show. Is that the thought bubble she's living in?

It's absolutely incredible, close-minded. I can't believe people sit and watch that show. I've tried. You can literally just feel your intelligence being sucked right through your eyeballs. Anyway, Jeffrey. Great reporting, as always. Congratulations as we come to the end of this year. What an amazing year.

What an amazing year of reporting. As I said, you know, keep saying. I'm just, I'm looking forward to next year and continue to this work that we've been doing together. It's really great. Absolutely. Looking forward to it. All right. Great.

See you next week. Well, I mean, look, it's amazing the situation that we find ourselves in. But there, when we started, Ican, you know, we had a multi-prong approach to how we're going to change this conversation. If you want to reflect back to the end of 2016, which is when I-Can started, no one could talk about vaccinations in their mommy groups. you'd get kicked off of your mommy blog. You would have your social media shut down, literally, you know, censored, especially during COVID. We set out to change that. We wanted this to be a conversation that everyone would be having, whether negative or positive.

I said to some of the major donors that got us started, I'm going to make vaccination, the number one conversation of the next presidential election. Now, of course, you know, that was a bold statement, and we didn't do it alone. There's a lot of great warriors that are out there. But you, if you've been with us from the beginning, you've recognized that we didn't just do that by talking about. We certainly weren't just complaining about things. We had the high wire. We did this show where we started reporting on all the actual science. There is no greater science-based, evidence-based show than the high wire.

No one in mainstream is doing what we're doing. And because we understand the science, because we worked with real scientists that are on our team, and the greatest attorney that's ever existed in Aaron, Syria ensued the government. to get to the bottom of things that we couldn't figure out. We slowly started winning against the FDA, CDC, NIH, HHS. All of that was being made possible. So we were making it visible with the high wire. We're winning lawsuits so we could change the conversation

and point out that our government was lying to us. And then I was flying all over the country and talking to legislative bodies and governors and senators and assembly members. Those of you supporting the high wire and I can made all, of that possible. And then, you know, probably one of the biggest bucket list moments was when we one back to religious exemption from Mississippi. Sure, there's lots of people out there suing for stuff, but no one else has brought back the right to choose to an entire state,

the state of Mississippi. Every child now has freedom in Mississippi that did not exist since the 1970s because of you, because of every one of you that's out there donating to me. make this happen. Well, we won the lawsuit. We've spent years. We've been talking about West Virginia. We're now in Free the Five, and we have been in there fighting and winning. And then, just as I pointed out last week, ICANN's legal team secures a preliminary injunction West Virginia Board of Education lawsuit. We won that for the students. And then ultimately we won the case. And we're able to take West Virginia off the map and got down to Free the Four. Well, as I've pointed out to It is now being appealed.

All the students are saying, wait, wait, wait, wait. You can't go back to school just yet. Yes, you just won this case in court, but they're going to now take this to the Supreme Court of West Virginia. And so we are still in this fight. We've talked about all of the different, you know, groups that we're up against. It's I can against other groups like the ACLU that have gotten involved and the state school boards. And now county school boards are so, I mean, the whole thing, the whole thing, world is against you, really. They're trying to stop your right to choose. As we just saw in that

last story, they're trying to tear, insert themselves between you and your own children. They want to pass laws that your children could be brainwashed to work against you and go and get a vaccine that you don't believe in. Who's fighting for you in those cases? We've proven we're the ones that are there. We've certainly proven we're the ones that win in these cases. And so yes, We won in West Virginia, but now it's going to Supreme Court. Folks, this is going to get big. It's going to get ugly. And they have all the money in the world.

You have to imagine George Soros is pouring funds in there. They need to make sure that we don't win West Virginia. This is the battle of all battles. This is the Goliath battle we've been talking about. I need your help. I need you to help us end strong. In this holiday season, please, if you're still involved in your holiday giving, especially if those of you out there doing very well,

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It makes a huge difference. It's a great way to enter the new year. Be a part of what we're doing. Go to the top of the page and donate to ICANN. We'd love for you to become a recurring donor. occurring donor. This is really one of the last times I've ever going to say it, $25 a month for 2025. It's going up to a whopping $26. You know, I was just, by the way, I'm sure you're dealing with this. I'm so tired of like the Disney and the Paramount Plus. And wait, no, I need

Apple Plus. And how much am I spending on television right now just to see a couple of shows? I barely watch anything at all. We have one. We'll find one series. My wife and I will enjoy in the evening and I'm paying hundreds of dollars. And it's like, well, what if I got rid of those? And I go to, you know, I'm not doing a direct TV. It was a direct, I mean, we're all doing it, right? But here's the point. You are spending a fortune to be lied to on your television. Is $26 too much to ask to actually shift the entire world as we know it to take advantage of this moment we're sitting in, this window where the wind is at our backs? We have got to get way out of head now. I've always said I approached life sort of like a bicycle race.

I grew up in Colorado in Boulder, especially right at the foot of the flat irons there. And, you know, the Coors classic would sometimes go straight up the Flagstaff Mountain of that road that I even rode a couple of times. Pretty incredible. It's almost straight up. You can barely keep your front tire on the ground. But I've always said if life is like a bicycle race, I'm not going to try and win it when we're just slogging up, you know, the uphill. There's people that do. They're going to go for it. You know, I'm in decent shape. I'm going to do the best that I can. but you know where I'm different? When I come over the top of that mountain and now I got the downhill, you know it's different?

I am one crazy son of a bitch. I am going to go and I'm going to win it there. I'm going to be crazier than all of you. I'm going to barrel into those turns. I have all the momentum in the world. I am going to give it everything I have now. I'm going to win on the downhills. This is our moment.

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last week, I can't tell you how excited I was. I mean, it was really great to be in my body, everyone around here, we were cheering, we were dancing. I want to thank all of you that have sponsored the work that has made that possible. All right. When you talk about, you know, confirmation bias, right? And when I said earlier that, you know, to Jeffrey Jackson, I believe science now, I almost don't trust any science at all, because it becomes so clear to me that, you know, history is written by the victors and when it comes to science science is written by the people that got funded and they got funded because somehow they were able to prove their hypothesis correct and then they go on and get famous and how often are we have we seen someone designed to say hey

hold on a second I made a mistake actually that science I did that wasn't correct I've I've never seen it happen instead we're all we're all caught in a cycle where we you know not only see what, you know, believe what we see. We see what we believe, right? This confirmation bias. We're always just looking to prove ourselves right. It's incredible when you meet someone that finally realizes, you know what? Something I've been a part of, maybe it's not what I thought. This next story, I think, is one of the most mind-blowing examples of that. Imagine if you were like celebrated, if you were heroes, if you were almost superstars of a thought concept. a world leader of a certain idea.

And then that idea started coming up short. Take a look at this. Our family has been serial entrepreneurs, and when we get a vision, it's not about we have the experience or the expertise to do it. It's just we figure it out. My parents were hippies who wanted to do less harm, and they read books like Be Here Now from Ram Dass and Autobiography of a Yogi.

And from a spiritual, cultural perspective to say, I don't want to participate in the harm of animals for my nourishment. Made a lot of sense. And there's a lot of Hindu and philosophical belief systems that, you know, Ahimsa, the idea of trying to do the least amount of harm as possible. Eating meat just seemed like a clear option of, I don't want to have death and cruelty and harm behind every meal. Growing up as a vegan, I don't have a very strong relationship with death.

Death was something to be avoided. My parents worked really hard. We were left alone a lot. That led to us being self-reliant and making food together. We and my brother are both really good at cooking. I can go to a restaurant and taste something and I can go home and recreate that. We were really just a fan. a family of vegan entrepreneurs.

My father was living in San Francisco. My mother and him divorced, and his life fell apart. He met a woman named Terseys, fell in love. They ended up saying, well, how can we merge commerce and the sacred? Having gratitude is an experiment in sacred commerce.

In other words, a place of business as well as a place of transformation. You get to really experience being loved and accepted and being worthy as as well as eating some of the best foods. You are lusciously awake. My dad had invented this game called The Abounding River. Cafe Gratitude was a live version of his board game.

The board game is a journey through six ways of being. You practice being the creator of your experience, being worthy, loving yourself. One of my jobs was the game meister. I was not only just serving people their food, but I was also inviting them to pull a card or to practice laughing out loud for a minute, and we'd encourage the whole restaurant

to engage in a social experiment of laughing out loud. This was radical and strange and awkward in San Francisco. We brought a lot of foods that we now know that are totally ubiquitous. Kinoa and kale were not foods that people ate. I believe that we were the first to serve a turmeric latte. When we were making raw milk from soaking almonds, there was no almond milk in any grocery.

store in this country. We opened up a huge rush of energy around veganism, plant-based foods. What is it that you're doing? It's so cult-like in here. It's making me come back. I had a vision that we were going to bring Cafe Gratitude to Los Angeles to the belly of the beast and that we were going to transform the world. I think I'm going to get the I am luscious. You are on Luscious. Oh, thank you. Cafe Gratitude. You guys have actually have a lot of national press. Gratitude has been committed to providing a plant-based menu that is healthy. It was a lightning in a bottle. We couldn't imagine it. Every celebrity in Los Angeles was waiting at the door. It was a total scene. You all are a staple in the community.

We were seen as the vegan royalty of Los Angeles where it was Cafe Gratitude is Gratios Madre and then my sister was saved vegan bistro. I literally never thought, oh I should open a restaurant. There is something between McDonald's and just kale and quinoa. My goal is to have super accessible comfort food. Where we were like kind of hippie-dippy, she went vegan, local comfort food. You could choose pizza, you could choose wings. Within three or four years, she was outperforming our best performing cafe gratitudes. It's one of my favorite restaurants on the planet.

Look at that. This is my spot. We had no idea that by 2012 we'd be the hottest vegan restaurants in all of Los Angeles. Did we believe that our restaurants were saving the planet? For sure. I think I'm just doing the best for the planet. I'm driving my high bread and I'm drinking my oatmeal glate. And I just get obsessed with the idea of wanting to have a vegan farm

and nothing is ever going to die. Very shortly after moving on to the land and farming, I realized that there is no food without death. We're killing ground squirrels to keep our orchards safe. My avocado toast has a thousand dead ground squirrels attached to it. What am I doing? My dad started Be Love Farm as they were growing vegetables for Cafe Gratitude. They realized, well, how do we get cow manure continuously on these fields?

And if we have cows continuously on the fields, how are we managing the expense of them? And if they don't bring anything to the economy of the farm, then they can't be part of the farm. They started drinking raw milk. To have raw milk, you need to have cows giving babies, then you have male cows, and then what do you do with those male cows? And that became a big awakening of, oh, wow, in India, they don't really have a narrative of how the male cows fall into the sacred cow identity, because they are oftentimes just eating trash on the side of the street and die. Not a great life. To grow vegetables, we need the constituents of animal byproducts. bone meal, fish emulsion, cow manure, and where's that cow manure coming from? Well, it's coming

from a concentrated animal feedlot operation. We realized almost no farmers are vegans and almost no vegetables are vegans. My entire identity is based on I'm a vegan chef and I'm realizing veganism is not the path for humanity and I am terrified about what that means. My dad's a 35-year vegetarian. I'm a 33-year vegetarian, and we take these two cows out to pastor that my one and my dad have been taken care of for like six years, loved. And, you know, ultimately we pray like, God, if this is not the way, show is a sign. Well, I'm honored to be joined by Rylan and Molly Englehart. Thanks for joining us today.

Thank you for having us. I'm just watching the incredible videos myself with the team and just thinking, what an outrageous and unbelievable journey you guys have been on. To start out with, I want to sort of meet you because we have similar backgrounds. I've talked about it some of my show. I've said I grew up with parents that were like very radical in how we were raised. Many of the same, you know, ideas. You know, my parents, you know, marched in the 60s. They were total hippies.

We were mostly a vegetarian, macrobiotic when I was a kid. Us. Yeah. We went through a macrobotic. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And a huge, you know, kingship with all life. We don't hurt and kill animals.

We never hunted, you know, things like that. I remember every once while my dad's, I wanted to go fishing because I saw like a, you know, I don't know. I don't know, leave it to beaver or something. And so dad, I remember him just like freaking, just killing the worm. He was like an absolute disaster. So anyway, you know, and I've been a vegetarian. You know, I did that for years when I went to New York and I was an actor in doing that stuff. So, but I've had my own moments in that.

As far as Cafe Gratitude, this place, first of all, it is a staple. It was I think two or three blocks away from Paramount Studios where I worked on the doctors. It was our favorite place to go to lunch. I always got the same thing. I am whole. And now that I know that you guys are here, there are a few things in that dish. And it was like you said, what is in here? It's like crack.

Maybe you can help me understand how to make it. But this journey, you know, first of all, to grow up in a family where this becomes a celebrity, you're essentially a celebrity idea around eating. What was that experience like? weird as a kid? Was it weird as it started getting the type of attention that it did? Well, we were both grown-ups by the time it started to. But yes, because before Cafe Gratitude and Sage and Gracias Madre, vegan restaurants were kind of a hole in the wall where you got a little sprout sandwich. There wasn't that like full-on bar, full-on, we had a beer guard. Like there

wasn't that full-on restaurant culinary experience as a mainstream thing. But we kind of were out on the skinny branches. We weren't sure it was going to work. And a lot of people said it wasn't when he brought Cafe Gratitude to L.A. And they got big locations, big rent. People were kind of like, oh, we'll see if that's going to work out. And I think it surprised, honestly, all of us. I think we were all surprised at the success of the trifecta of those three vegan restaurants. And at some point, I felt actually trapped by that success.

You know, at some point I was like, whoa, this is where we are. This is how we make our living. And he introduced me to regenerative agriculture. And when I started to understand our place on the planet, I really started to realize. And vegans may be the originators of cancel culture as we know it in this now moment. Because, I mean, we had COVID and the vaccines. But vegans were canceling people for stuff way before that. I mean, I know you've gotten the heat, but before we get into that, it became a cult.

You decide, let me bring this out of San Francisco, I guess it was, into L.A. So if you're picking expensive locations, that's on you. Like, you went big. Why? What was the thinking there? I mean, there's multiple different elements of it, but I'm definitely the ideological, visionary enthusiast that's like, you know, I'm laughing at myself. because we literally, you know, in our minds thought, I remember the conversation I had with my brother was we're going to bring Cafe Gratitude to L.A., and it's going to be this transformational moment, you know, on the planet for our business model of sacred commerce, for plant-based organic food, and we're going to kind of awaken this whole message, you know, and as I said, in the belly of the beast.

Yeah. And, you know, in the utmost, you know, naive, passionate, you know, enthusiasm, I felt that. that was true. And, you know, my dad is also, you know, the aboyant optimist in him, in his self, and he had this big, bold vision. But, you know, we had done Cafe Gratitude for seven years in the Bay Area. And it was, it was great. People loved it. It was, it was, it was a cult following. But it wasn't until we, and we were doing, you know, three to five to seven thousand dollars a day in sales and then to the volume of 20 to 25,000 dollars a day and you know lines out the door and as you said celebrities coming in and we were like you know on some in our minds we were like we were going to come to L.A. and be a big thing but we didn't really know

what being a big thing in L.A. was even going to look like or yeah but ultimately you know there was dynamics of we had some amazing partners who joined my father and stepmom and me and my brother, and they really brought the expertise of real estate and beautification and making these restaurants much more less hippie-dippy and more beautiful and aesthetic and like these beautiful restaurants that hadn't really, vegan culture hadn't really seen

up until that point. So then how did the move? You said regenerative farming sort of is this almost like a bitter pill and exciting thing, but suddenly it starts changing how you're seeing things. So which one of you, you got into regenerative farming first? Yeah, so I went to New Zealand to speak about sacred commerce, our business model, and I went somewhat with a little bit of eco-arrogance and sort of vegan supremacy

and, you know, that we had this model that was going to save the world and ended up sitting in a panel discussion of a guy by the name of Graham Sate, who basically describe the process of how we can regenerate soil by pulling carbon out of the atmosphere, putting it back in the ground, which restores the ability for soil to hold water, brings nutrients back to the food that's growing from that soil, creates this trophic cascade of regeneration. And in that moment, there was a kind of what they described as like

and a spiritual epiphany where it was like a thousand suns erupt in your third eye. And it was like, I'd always known that, you know, how do we make the world a better place? And love is somehow part of that. But what's the mechanism that leads to the life on planet Earth getting better? And that distinction of regeneration and the way that we manage our soil and our agricultural land, you know, went from a sustainability paradigm of doing less harm. sustaining life to what is the mechanism of healing, you know, the broken ground, our broken ecosystems, restoring life to land, restoring biodiversity, restoring health.

And the ironic thing is that includes a whole, you know, that includes a matrix of life, which is all different kinds of insects, animals, plants, trees, and those. living and dying in their life cycle that leads to a greater condition of regeneration. So it was a big awakening, but it was an inconvenient perspective as a vegan sort of fundamentalist that really just wanted, you know, and I heard, saw you say this earlier on the show, that we ultimately have, you know, we have selective thinking of what bias of what we're willing to hear that we're willing to receive because it's just too confronting for our fundamental belief systems.

And this was one of those moments where I kind of just blew open my mind of this concept of regeneration, which was just a premise of a process of how life could get better on planet earth. And I had never really considered or seen what would be a mechanism or process that would allow all the degradation that's been done on planet Earth, how could that heal? And regeneration and the process of regenerative agriculture was sort of the beginning of the thread that led me to really understand, wow, there is a much bigger, more beautiful understanding that I'm just starting to discover, and it's not necessarily veganism.

So did he come running back with, oh, my God, I've just discovered something? Yes, and he shows him this TED talk, and I'm, Totally inspired by the TED Talk and I get obsessed with I'm not I haven't taken it to the no veganism yet like my first thing is just food waste. Oh my goodness, there's all this waste coming out of my restaurants and if I could have a farm, then I'm going to be able to keep that food in the loop and I'm going to be able to grow more food. And I start going up to every celebrity that comes into the restaurant and be like, well, you want to start a farm? We want to invest in a farm. We're going to be able to make compost and I'm trying to explain this. And you got like the Clippers coach laughing at me like, oh, it sounds like a cool idea,

but we're having a meeting, you know, and I decide that I guess I'm the one I've been waiting for. I have to get a farm. And so I spend all this time and I researching and I'm having children. I've gotten married. And I get, I finally get my farm. And that's when my mind really breaks that there is no vegan food, when I'm actually growing food and I'm killing the ground squirrels as I talked about and doing all of that.

but I have this multi-million dollar business. I'm definitely not going to just crash it all down, so I put my restaurants on the market and we get this big investment firm and we're going to sell it for somewhere between $25 and $31 million, and I have a three-quarter time frame to get the deal done, and I'm meeting all my markers. And last quarter of 2019, I'm like, hit all the markers.

First quarter of 2020, I'm way over. like, I don't have to do anything, and I'm getting $31 million, any quarter, any second quarter of 2020, I'm getting $31 million. I'm like Googling, like getting a private chef because I've been cooking every day for my life for 15 years. Wow. So awesome. And COVID.

Hickie out mansions. I'm going to get a sailboat. And then COVID comes in and says no more indoor dining for two and a half years. And not only do I lose that $31 million deal, I really lose the ability. I pivot and I try and I try and I can't make it. My 350 employees and I can't make it through COVID in one store after another out of five stores. All of a sudden, I'm down to two stores by the end of COVID. But I'm the optimist.

I still think we're going to go back to normal, right? And so I go, oh, I'm just going to buy a farm in Texas. They are still open. I'm going to open a restaurant in Austin. I'm going to open a restaurant in San Antonio. And then when we go back to normal, I'll be able to sell it for $60 million. is going to be great. And so I start that process. And somewhere through COVID, I had already, I bought the farm here, the land, but there was no way that the cash flow, I just realized

I can't do it. So I'm kind of stalled. And then I start closing stores and then, and so I have to make some very hard decisions. And at some point, I decide I'm going to have to sell my farm in California and move to Texas because of finances. And I then do that last ditch effort to try to switch it to regenerative after COVID is over. We bring back the staff, but now life has changed and people don't go out to eat. So you try to take your concept, but let me just evolve it the way I've evolved. You want to represent your evolution through your restaurant. And I even thought maybe that I was not in alignment with my own integrity. And I've always been someone that you need, I don't try to make money in ways that are not in alignment with my own integrity. Like I was

not like trying to import masks during COVID while I wasn't wearing them. Like I've always I felt like I had to do what God wants me to do. And so I thought, that's why the restaurants aren't, like, thriving anymore. So I tried to do that. And meaning you're saying, I don't, I'm not really into this vegan trip anymore. It's, it's not, it's disingenuous to be running this restaurant as this cold vegan thing. When I've actually evolved, I wanted to represent the truth of what I'm now believing experiencing. So on Earth Day, I, 20, 24.

I come out and I say, I don't think veganism is what's best for the planet. I think that regenerative agriculture is, and I bring in all of the supply chains. I get all these farmers on board, and I have to create the supply chains. It doesn't exist. There isn't any regenerative restaurants, and I launch it. And I think, post-COVID, everybody's into tallow fries. This is going to crush it. We're going to grass-fed burgers and bison patty melts.

It's going to be amazing. And the vegans just protested and protested. and got me, you know, my Yelp to say permanently closed, Google to say permanently. So they even lie, they used lying. They went on Yelp and said you were the restaurant closed. They got my 5,000, five-star reviews taken down, made me start over, and then they could just put one-star review after one-star review. And where, you know, if you go to a location, you can say, change information, this location is closed. It's all crowdsourced.

And so if they have a concerted effort, they can keep having you say permanently closed. And so ultimately they won, but like what did they win? like a rotissory chicken place in one of my things and a bakery and another one's vacant. And what did they win? They didn't win for the animals. They didn't win for the community. What was that about? I mean, was it, I guess they felt like you abandoned them.

You also, I mean, there's, you know, you sort of recognize your giant celebrities for this, your royalty, and then the royalty changes its religion, I suppose. Is it sort of what happened? Yeah, it's like your pastor going to become Catholic or something. It's like you feel abandoned or you feel lied to. And I tried very hard to engage and to explain and be very honest and up front. But, I mean, no, people were death threats and wishing that my children would die of cancer. I mean, just the most horrific things you could imagine telling me to watch my back.

I'll put a bolt in your head like you're putting a bolt in a cow's head. And it's just... Doesn't sound like the peace-loving hippies that I thought, you know, you thought the... But there was also some coordinated money behind it. Yeah. Because the protests went on for extended periods of time. They had support, people bringing them water, brand-new signage, all the stuff. And one day I was standing out there trying to engage with the protesters, and someone came up to me.

They didn't realize who I was. And they said, do you need any support? I have more signs. I have more water. And I was like, I'd love you guys to leave. But I'd also love to know who's paying you to be here today. Oh, no, no, no, we're all volunteers. But it was too coordinated.

And they did Mother's Day, Father's Day, like very days that would be big money days for us, like trying to shut us down like that. Wow. Well, let's take a look at where your lives have gone since your sort of vegan, you know, celebrity. And then I think we have you eating your first burger. Let's take a look at this. Let's take a look at this. We've got Ryan's first burger. Let's take a look at this. Wow. He's a big. I've said with a lot of pride, I've never had a bite of a hamburger in my whole life. I have to get to die to that that perspective statement. What do you think, Brian? I can see my people eat them.

It's an amazing moment, but actually it's a powerful thing. And I think, was there still, even in that moment, is something that eating a burger, is there part of you thinking about how many people I'm letting down? or was there any division still in you at all? How did you get to the place where you could really transition out? We're going to let go of what we've represented up until this, our entire lives up until this moment.

Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, that was a 10 year ago, I'm 45 now. That was when I was 35. That was, and it's obviously been a progression of letting, go but so it was like right there you're not like there's still work to be done after that moment is what you're saying for sure but I mean I think you know this is not a I don't know a becoming thing to say but on some level I gave up my one fanatic system for another so like I replaced my sort of vegan fervor with my regenerative agriculture fervor, which then allows me to sort of justify or be okay with,

all right, this is now just what I do because I understand that there is no life without death, and I'm just being a little bit more honest about participating in that process. And I see the vision of regeneration as this very, very profound, important message. and I'm now using my life to ambassador or represent or evangelize or communicate that message. And I'm trying to be an example of that. But I would say on some subtle level I've known for a long time that there is health benefits to eating meat. Because I actually remember probably a decade and a half before I met a vegan guy who I asked him how he was doing. He said, I'm doing great.

And I go, why? He goes, I just ate a piece of red meat after 20 years of veganism and being a, you know, like a liquidarian and eating just green juice and stuff. And he goes, it just feels so good. And I remember my dissidents of not wanting to let that moment in, but there was something about the truth and the conviction of what he was speaking with that was kind of, like shattering my program, but I remember it so profoundly because it was so, it shook the, so I think, you know, there was, you know, these moments of sort of putting chinks in the armor of my belief system and then kind of having this awakening about regeneration, it just became so clear. And then, you know, having the, you know, the deep understanding of my father, you know,

running a farm and him wanting to do it, you know, because he kind of went down the path that Molly did. How did they, did your parents react right away when you must have reached out and said, I've got a different perspective. How did your dad handle that at first? Dad went first. Oh, dad did first. Yeah, because he had the farm and they were, and then they had the cows. So that's what was happening. Cafe Gratitude fell under fire even before I fell on fire because they didn't have full understanding. My parents are like in their 70s now, but what Instagram was. They thought it was like a way that their grandkids could watch what was going on. So they put a picture of grandpa to my dad eating a burger for the first time in 45 years.

Oh, wow. And then it became a CNN story. It became a Huffington Post story. It became like a big deal. And even Sage, even though I was a separate entity, separate restaurants, our business got hit by like 15% right away. from that. So we had already seen, and we called it Burgergate in our family, and I had vegans reaching out to me, like, would you like me to help you distance yourself from your dad to save your business? And I was like, I'm not distancing myself from my dad because he ate a hamburger.

So dad went first. We actually followed. And my mother is still very, you know, they're divorced, and my mother's still pretty dogmatic in her beliefs. But there's been some chinks in her armor recently as well i'll never forget i uh i was a vegetarian uh as an actress an actor in new york i was doing theater you know i remember one time i had a director i was doing the european tour broadway touring company of hair the musical perfect like i'm a hippie it all fit perfectly but remember he sat me down and he's like you know i never imagined george burger quite this skinny you really may want to think about eating a hamburger or something But it was years later, I was waiting tables at Fiorello's restaurant right across street from Lincoln Center in New York.

And I'll never forget one day I'm delivering food, you know, and I put down this chicken matoni. It's like a whole roasted chicken, like in a clay pot, beautiful, you know, and I served it. And the person's like, this isn't what I ordered. I wanted the chicken breast. So I was like, oh, and I picked it up, and I just thought, for some reason, I want to eat this thing so bad. But I'm a vegetarian. and I'm like, oh, like, I walk it back, and I'm like, I'm sitting there. I was like, all right.

And I just put it, you know, like, just going to throw it out, can't serve it. And I got home that night, and I was laying in bed staring at my ceiling, and it really bothered me. What bothered me is that I didn't not eat the chicken because I thought it would be bad for me, that it was unhealthy. I wasn't doing this for some health reason. It was just because I was raised vegetarian. I had gotten very strict, you know, in my young. adulthood, but the only reason I didn't eat that chicken is because I had an identity as a vegetarian that I would be going against a title I'd given myself, which I was like, dude, that goes against

everything you believe in. You don't live by titles and, you know, you live by like, because, you know, if you're natural the way, I mean, this is sort of my trip, right? There's certain rules to kingship with life, which is also we're natural beings, we're living in a natural environment. When we become human beings where we set you know select ourselves out on titles and things that's where the world goes totally whack so it was like I was really I didn't sleep that night the next day I'm waiting tables swear to God someone sends back the same dish I'm a Tony chicken they're like I don't think that's what I wanted I don't know if I'm maybe some consciously believe their order I don't remember now to think about it but I walk back and I devoured that chicken I I mean I

I suck the morrow out of the little bones, and I've never really gone back since. I, you know, sort of, and there's a lot to the whole, as you said, that I look at now, you know, that the cycle of life, you know, and even have you been done work with Native Americans in Sweat Lodge, and they're like, why would you be a vegetarian? The deer's life, these animals, life is here as, its gift is to humanity. Like, God's given us these things. We're living, you're robbing them of their cycle, which is to continue their life through you and your own existence. I was like, well, that's heavy. But I think we have another, you know, film to talk about on your ranch and where you've gone now.

So let's take a look at that. Beautiful. Sovereignty ranch came out of just wanting to be separate and individual and sovereign. And so here I am in Bandera, Texas, starting this big, foolish project. hoping that people want regenerative food. People want to connect to nature and come back to the farm. Everybody said you can't grow food in central Texas, and they're wrong.

When we got here, we had almost no grass growing on this field at all. It could not sustain any cows because the previous owners were just using it for a tax right off, and they just had a few cows on the field and letting them selectively graze. and so weeds grew up and grass died. But now we have a lot of grass on multiple fields and we move the cows around every single day.

We're actually getting ready to move these guys. They've been here for a while. They've deposited a lot of their nutrients and their poop and their pee and we keep adding carbon. So you can see here, these are wood chips every day. We're gonna move the pigs down into new pens and they're gonna open up the more cedar forest for us. And now that they've opened this all up

and they got rid of the underbrush. When the cows are grazing this field, we're gonna take these fences down, and the cows will have this shady area, we'll put their water here, more food will grow for the cows in this shady areas, and then the cows will track all that good nutrients back out onto the field.

Plants can't make minerals. Minerals can only come out of the soil, but in a way that we're farming nowadays, we're just putting nutrients on top of the soil, not building microbiology in the soil. If you just are putting phosphorus, nitrogen, on top you can grow a big thing but it's not having that micro risal relationship that microbiology relationship where the plant is pulling carbon out of the atmosphere feeding

microbiology and that microbiology is in the soil and making those minerals available to the plant that perfect relationship that got invented is what gives minerals to our food We're sitting here on Sovereignty Ranch in the barn restaurant, and this is our menu. It's American Farms to Table comfort cuisine made from scratch. Lots of the vegetables are from the ranch, and whatever we buy from outside is organic or regenerative. We don't have any seed oils, we don't have any preservatives, no corn syrup, nothing in the whole restaurant. So it's the cleanest food you can probably get in central Texas. and it's definitely closest to the source that you can get.

The meats are all from animals raised here on Sovereignty Ranch. Nature's design is regenerative. Life and death continues to create the conditions for more life. Veganism, it's a righteous belief system. I don't want to cause any unnecessary harm. The problem is it's uninvestigated. Human civilization evolved eating meat. Animal proteins, animal foods have always been an essential part of a healthy diet and Wendell Berry has the most beautiful poetic writing that says every day we break the body and spill the blood of creation if we do it knowingly carefully and reverently it is a sacrament if we do it with greed, gluttony and carelessness it is a desecration.

all these fresh herbs. And we year round do our own farm tea. And so this is lemongrass. And so it's one of the main ingredients for our farm tea. And it grows really well here in Texas. When you buy your lemongrass in the store, you're actually only gonna buy this part because this part's not shelf stable.

And but this part can also just be replanted. So I'm just taking the tops off and then I'm going to make that into tea. And then I'm gonna replant these ones so I have more plants. Something as simple. as simple as iced tea, I believe, can be special. The way we grow food can balance the climate,

can heal the soil, can bring nutrients back to our food, can let the water infiltrate and get back into our aquifers, can clean the water. This is the way to heal the world. I'm learning to love Central Texas, and I'm learning to work with her soil and her complicated weather, and I feel hopeful. People are starved for a connection to nature,

and they're also starved for something that's real. We feed people, we host people, we educate people, we inspire people, and really it's our ministry. I mean, that looks amazing. And if I want to visit or I want to know, What all does Sovereignty Ranch do? Do people come and check it out? Do you teach classes?

Yeah, we have 40 beds of hospitality. Okay. And so you can stay, you can bring a group, like if you want to do an offsite for your office, you can do weddings. Or we do bigger conferences. We do, we have our own conferences like Food is Medicine and Confluence, which Confluence started as an anti-vax thing and then kind of has moved into a bigger confluence of ideas. It was called sewing sovereignty and. California, and then we moved here. We changed the name to Confluence. So we have these big festivals that we do. But then you can do yoga retreats. You can do office retreats. And then also

you can just come out with your family. We have bounce houses and corn pits and, you know, play areas for the kids. The restaurant is open Tuesday through Sunday. And we have, you know, tiny houses or you can stay in a big house. Like there's kind of farmhouse styles and there's glamping tents. So we have all different options. And then we, We also have a conference room for up to 300 people. And so we do all different kinds of classes and stuff, but you can just come out on any weekend and enjoy that you're in the Central Texas area. What's the website if I want to like...

Sovereignty ranch.com. You can go to that. And our farm store is there. You can buy meat. You can get some bacon from those beautiful pigs or whatever that you want. And we really pride ourselves on doing everything from scratch. So even if the ranch in our restaurant or the cream cheese, dressing on the nachos or even the tortillas.

We grow our own corn, make the tortillas, cut them up, make the tortilla chips for the nachos. Like we very, very much are from scratch from the farm restaurant. You're still making people laugh for a minute at a time? Not exactly. But I do like to bring, yeah, the spirit of, you know, that game meister energy of just service, really. serving people in ways that they didn't know they wanted to be served and, you know, bringing them into a moment of connection to the food, to the place, to joy, to love, to, yeah, this idea of hospitality serving people with this presence of love.

There's a lot of work to be done here, is that you and I have taught, you know, when I was Director of Communications, Robert Kennedy Jr., we spoke about the need to try and get more farming into regenerative farming. Right now, I mean, the percentage of farming in America, how much of it would be considered regenerative? Well, there's probably about 1% organic and maybe between 5 to 7% in some classification of regenerative. I don't know, actually, if you saw this, but there was actually a significant announcement that came out yesterday at a USDA, It's sort of the first USDA MAHA initiative, where it's basically 700 million for farmers that want to participate and do regenerative agriculture, and it's supposedly streamlining the process and then making a simple way to measure if the practices are actually having regenerative outcomes, and if they are, then you can continue to get conservation dollars to participate and go in that direction. So it's a, it's a real, it's an off-ramp for the conventional agricultural system to start coming into the regenerative direction.

Yeah, I saw that. Big win, just that the secretary of agriculture is talking about the connection between nutrient density and soil health and how that impacts human health and the microbiome of the soil and the microbiome of your gut and mental health. Like, just to have that language, you know, I'm not huge on government subsidies and all of that. But to have that language coming out is like every idea is kind of infecting the system. And just like you're saying, you've been pushing and pushing on these ideas of vaccine choice. And now it's starting to be in the mainstream. That's also happening with regenerative agriculture, which is really, really exciting to hear those words and to hear that language. that, you know, I've been pounding on small stages and podcasts and whatever for years.

It's just really amazing. And I think, you know, Rylan can take a lot of credit for 10, 12 years ago when he started Kiss the Ground. It was not a household idea. And it really is becoming pretty mainstream. And the fact that regenerative agriculture has way surpassed organic agriculture, which started in the 70s as far as the certified organic. Yeah. It's a huge win for humanity, honestly.

and our health. And there's so many things that we can point to in this world that are not working. And so I do think it's important when we have these wins that we celebrate and we acknowledge that this is going in the right direction. And I think that that was one of those moments yesterday. I agree.

I mean, and I just, yeah, go ahead. I was just gonna say that it's a unique, you know, connection point that that American wellness wellness event that happened in Austin where we sat in the sweat lodge with Bobby yeah that wasn't that was a pivotal moment in my life which ultimately had me go down the road that I did yeah which you know is and and really trying to work on this policy and you know education and advocacy you know within this current administration so I just wanted to say you know that was a big moment

I don't know that I actually ever said that and you know that was a a big moment in my life of transformation. Just so people know, Bobby was at an event here in Austin, just outside of Austin, Texas. You know, we were, he was still running for president at the time and a beautiful all-day event. And at the end of the day, we all had a giant sweat lodge together with Bobby in there, which was just, I mean, personally, like a guy's running for president in the sweat lodge. I think a lot of people were pitching themselves like, what's happening here, but we keep pinching

ourselves, right? These moments. So it annoys me when I see people writing like, who cares? Hepatitis B was obviously such a stupid, such a low-hanging fruit. I'm like, this is a, this is a tectonic plate shift from anything we have ever seen. That announcement yesterday, it's a 700,750 million? 700 million dollars, which sure, in the scope of all farming is not a giant chunk of money, but just the expression of language talking about, you know, the biome of the earth and nutrients. That's what I think was the win. That's the win. We are in a totally different places. I've said things like for us when the FDA approved leukovorin as a drug for autism. Whether or not it works for a lot of people,

what I've said, you don't understand what that means. That was a departure from this genetic. If you have a drug that can cure something, it means it's curable, which means it probably probably has an environmental cause. You have no idea that wasn't tiny. That is a gigantic shit. These are huge giant shifts that are taking place. And all, you know, under the guidance of a president that eats McDonald's. I just, you know.

And it's crazy. Like, you played that clip earlier and you say, like, there's 80 vaccines in one cup. And he always has about 75% of the information that you remember. This is enough. I'll take it. And then he adds it. He's trying, he cares. But I do think that for all the things that we can complain about, about the administration,

the conversation around pharmaceuticals and the conversation about farming is happening and, you know, and food. And food is medicine. And food is medicine. And these are things that even before the whole food being medicine is something, even when we're in the vegan world, that we were really on. And so when you start to see. that the whole conversation is, it's getting into the whole conversation, even if that's like,

oh, $16 per an acre of regenerative, it's not that much, blah, blah, blah. I saw those, you know, tweets and stuff, but yeah, it's not. And they just donated, they just allocated 12 billion for soybean farmers that aren't getting their soybeans bought from China. So, of course, we can compare and despair. But there's no cheese down that tunnel, as my father would say, that's a huge win. The language and what's happening and that it's in the mainstream conversation is a win. And that's, you know, that's what I think we want to celebrate.

Do you have any regrets looking back at the time? Like, did you feel like that was a mistake that we made? I mean, you know, you've been on a journey, veganism. Was there damage done there? Or do you just feel like it's just an evolutionary process? Yeah, for me personally, yeah, I mean, I think it's all. kind of part of the journey. I'm grateful for those years. And I mean, what we were doing was amazing. At the time, we were serving, you know, organic, plant-based vegan food to, you know,

millions of meals over 20 plus years. And that was a net benefit in the ecosystem of the way people were consuming. That was some of the healthiest meals we were serving. Was it exactly you know, the framework or way that I would dish it up at this moment? No, but was it a beautiful thing? Yeah, I mean, I definitely went through some feelings of, you know, sadness in, you know, the shift of, you know, we closed a bunch of restaurants over, you know, over that, the last 20 years. And it was like, you know, the idea of did this business not work? And was this actually viable and was it going to change the world as my young enthusiasm, you know, wanted it to. But really, in the same, you know, in the same thinking of that regeneration is lots of living

and dying that creates this continuation of life, you know, those businesses, those living and dyings created the conditions for our evolution and for the evolution of food and culture. And, you know, so, yeah, I don't, I don't have any regrets about that journey. It feels like a beautiful journey that I'm so grateful that I had the opportunity to go on and that it has, you know, kicked me out here. Do you try to wake up vegan friends? Like, does it matter to you or do you think that they're going to, I mean, is it okay to be a vegan? I don't, I don't try to wake up vegan friends specifically. I try to wake people up.

I think it's like they, I'm not going to tell any lies anymore to save people's feelings. And so in general, I try to wake people up. I don't really give people like a hard time about being vegan specifically, but I do share my views and why I shifted. And I always say that if it's what feels best for your body and you feel good and you're healthy and your blood work is good and all of that, I have no judgment. about that. If you think you're doing it because you're saving the planet unless animals are dying, I would invite you to investigate some of these constructs that we've been taught around veganism.

No. I remember years ago when I was in high school, there was a kid, I forget where he was from. He was, you know, with us abroad and it might have been, I don't know, Ukraine something. But remember him saying, you people all eat your food out of cellular. You have no idea. You never go out and kill a chicken or a cow. Like meat to you comes wrapped in a piece of plastic. You are totally disconnected. Remember, he just had a meltdown.

Smart kid, though, actually, in social studies class and something. Just talking about it. He finally had it. Like, none of you were connected to how you eat where it comes from what's going on. It almost seems as though, I mean, I think vegan and vegetarian, you think your oneness with life and all this. but you're really just getting a bunch of packaged food. And I think to your point, when you finally look at how has this all been created, like it's just as bad as the meat wrapped in cellophane that you didn't kill.

I do think you have to come to terms with that. And probably if you can't hunt, like, oh, I would never hunt, but you eat meat. I was like, that seems hypocritical. But to actually know how your food is made, I think, is important, right? I think people ask me all the time because I don't eat very much meat, and I'm still primarily vegetarian ate a lot of raw dairy. but I'm the one responsible on the farm to decide what cows are going to slaughter to make the cut sheets to deal with the USDA slaughterhouse. And so people go, like, I don't understand how you can do that after being a vegan chef.

And I really just have a new and deepened understanding. And most people's understanding of their relationship with animals is like their dog, their parrot, their fish, their cat. my understanding and my relationship to animals is an entire ecosystem, including my community, accuting my children, and all the animals on the farm. So I have to make decisions that are for the whole, not just for this tiny little thing. So I'm happy to make those decisions. I'm happy to see what needs to happen next. But we as a society are just completely disconnected from nature on every single level.

It's not just our food. But we used to be in nature and we would be reflecting nature. That's what we're going to be mirroring whatever we're in. And now we're reflecting social media and we're reflecting all of this division. And we've gotten very, very righteous and self-righteous. And we're reflecting something that is not of God's design in so many different ways. And so I do think that just reconnecting with nature, I think we do some workshops where people can come out and kill an animal, and then we'll make it into, like, goat curry or, you know, barbacowa or

whatever like that, and then they get to eat it. We've done this several times, and it's very moving for people. There's people that have never had that experience, and I do think it's important for people to connect with their food at that level. And we had a group, and there was two vegetarians in the group, and one vegan, and what was interesting is some people that were vegan left, like, I'm going to eat meat, I feel differently. And other people that had been eating meat said, you know, I actually don't think I should be eating meat from how that experience was for me. And this is like in a very kind and

no, no, it was just one bad second kind of way. And I'm eating meat that's not having one bad second necessarily. And so they left with a different perspective. But I do think it's important that we have there, there's something primal about killing an animal and eating it, cooking with fire, like all the things that kind of used to make us human that we've abandoned, that I think is important for us to reconnect with as the truth-seeking community that we claim that we are. Yeah, I mean, so, you know, are you going to change the world now? Yeah, I mean, I'm still a pretty bland optimist in that this conversation of human being. and their relationship to what is sort of the original instructions of what we're doing here on planet Earth

that we've forgotten that our original instructions are to care for life or care for the garden care to the garden before anything else in Genesis care tend to the garden yes and so I do think that this this idea of remembrance of stewardship, regeneration, you know, I've oftentimes said, ask me why I'm optimistic. And people say, why are you optimistic? I say, well, because love and regeneration are perennial at the, at the deepest part of the human spirit where we come back to is love. And if we look at the design of nature, no matter what timeline, it is a process of continual healing, self-balancing, self-regenerating. So ultimately, you know, the spiritual nature of humans is that there is a place that we come from that is love, and, you know, the process of nature is

regeneration. And so I do think that that is this part of this awakening that I hope that I get to see, you know, happening on planet Earth that is changing and that, you know, there is a good news of remembrance that this regeneration is possible and that we get to play an active role. in our healing. Well, I love that. I, you know, I've said before, I mean, and it started out by saying, I was raised by parents,

and I've said it that said, you're going to change the world. Like my parents, on our daily monstrum of growing up, you know, pulled us out of school when I started listening what my friends had to say over my own instincts, my own decisions, and my parents just kept saying,

you can change the world, you can do anything you can dream of. And look, does that mean we do it a little? Does it mean that certainly arrogance doesn't help there in any way? No. But we do need people that believe so that people can, and we do need leaders that people can follow, and we do need new ideas and great ideas.

So I love the fact that you, you know, you keep approaching each venture that you're on with the passion that, you know, this can change the world, and it can. And we do, we are changing the world right now. We are making huge strides and a lot of work to do, but it's such an exciting moment to be able to live. Before we get, you know, before we finish it up, you've got your book here, Molly, debunked by nature. I love that title. It's how a vegan chef turned regenerative farmer discovered that mother nature is conservative. And I don't mean conservative, like Roch, Trump, Vance. What I mean is that it's always conserving itself. Like he said, it's always healing

itself. And it never lies. It is always going to put truth at the center. of everything. And there was so many things that I realized were a lie once I really got my hands in the soil and started to watch and see and started to reflect nature rather than what I had been being fed from university, from TV, from my friends. I think, you know, and probably you had the same thing,

my dad always just said, you know, life is an experiment. He always said, we're Dharma yogis, we're not hiding in caves, you know. My father would always experiment with your life. experiment with your life, go out, try it, see what you learn, but then ask yourself the important questions. How does this make me feel? You know, and I think that that's a huge part, especially, you know, I'm not going to decide what someone's diet is going to be in this 50,000 out there. It's so confusing, you know, I'm still trying to figure out how to get rid of this eight pounds. I can't

quite drop, you know what I mean? I'm like, you know, a carnivore, I don't know, but the point is how does it make you feel? You know, are you feeling good, then stick with it. And if you're waking up happy, then good on you. But you guys are making a difference in the world. I love the moments I have with CAFE gratitude. I can't wait to get out to your farm and have lunch there. But debunked by nature is the book, the website, Sovereignty, here we go. Sovereignty Ranch.com.

There we are, Sovereigntyranch.com. Go check it out, everybody. I mean, this is, we really need to see what's happening here and bring it to places near us and the more we support that type of farming the more of those farms this 700 million is going to go to some farmers are going to try it out i'm sure part of it is let's show success there so the government says there's a way to do this i mean it's the transfer over right can we get farmers to see you can do this i know you've worked with jol salton i believe yeah he wrote your forward in your book that's i want to take every vegan to joel salton's farm and just

and probably your farm i haven't seen it but there was just like oh my god it's like ferngoly here can see the difference when the animals and the people are all working in concert together. So thank you for joining us today. Super interesting. Thank you for being human beings that were open enough to step off your pedestal in a moment and say, you know what? I think we might be going in a different direction. That couldn't have been easy. It takes real human beings to do that. So it's good to know you. Thank you for all the work that you're doing and all the difference that you're making in the world. Thank you. Absolutely. Good. All right. Well, look, we're coming to the end of the year. We really could use your support. We have some very important lawsuits we're in the middle of. We need your help. I mean, I, you know, that's, you're the ones that fund that. You're the reasons we're seeing these changes in courtrooms. But we've got to win this case in West Virginia so that we can really prove that not only do is this a one-off. We can't let Mississippi be the one-off. Let's win back the religious exemption for West Virginia. The reason they're fighting us so hard is they know that that that's a one-off.

it the fulcrum point will be over we're going to sweep and then i think taking the rest of the country back to total freedom and sovereignty will be easy one of the ways you can do that of course we're coming to the end of our opportunity to buy a brick or a bench in our terrace project this is an extension of the walkway that i walk every single day i walked it today and this is my favorite brick of the week well my favorite brick of the week really is pertinent to what we're going to be discussing, this hepatitis B vaccine vote, giving vaccines to babies,

how well have they been tested? Well, this is that brick. This is Baby Charlie Baker, 5-617 to 9-817. She is fierce. If you don't know baby Charlie's story, it's stories like this, told by parents who are medical practitioners themselves that really helped convince me

that there was an issue here. Too many intelligent people have witnessed it with their own eyes. That's why we do the work that we do this, so no child is ever injured by an untested product like vaccines. A powerful story. Let me just read, you know, Charlie's mother wrote about the experience. Here's just a couple of excerpts from that post. Charlie was born on May 6, 2017, after an unremarkable pregnancy. She was delivered via C-section, weighing six pounds, eight ounces. We declined the Hep B vaccine at the hospital, preferring to have our own pediatrician ministerate. At 18 days old, she received the recombavax HB vaccine. She had been

thriving, nursing, well, gaining weight, and was such a content little girl, but 22 hours later, everything changed. Charlie suffered a sudden cardiac arrest while nursing. She just stopped. I was at Panera with a colleague, both of us certified registered nurse anesthesiologist with neonatal and pediatric experience. By some miracle, we were able to resuscitate her, but she suffered a severe anoxic brain injury leading to a two-month stay at Children's Hospital of Detroit, where I was employed as a staff nurse, anesthesiologist at the time. At two months old, as she was preparing to be discharged, doctors wanted to give her more vaccines. I didn't know what I know now, but I knew enough to insist that she'd be on a cardiac monitor during them. She received

Hib and Prevnar, and immediately after, she went into bradyacardia and apnea. At that moment, My husband, I knew the vaccines had caused this. A neonatologist even admitted the quiet part out loud, saying she routinely tells residents to put the crash cart next to NICU isolates when babies receive vaccines. Charlie died suddenly at four months and two days old in the middle of the night. I'll never get used to reading those stories, listening those stories. hearing those stories, doing those interviews, talking to those parents. They are real to watch someone like Cody Meisner, who I know believes in what he's doing is his doctor saying these hearings that these are rare, you know, these rare undefined events, they are very well defined by far too many people. We should err on the side of caution and that air on the side of caution is not more pharmaceutical products until proven otherwise. It's stop the demand for pharmaceutical products until you can prove they're safe. I get the lack of data means you want to move forward on safety, but the lack of data on efficacy and all of a sudden everything makes sense to you.

We've got to align this world. Doctors and scientists have got to get out of their closed-minded perspective of proving themselves right all the time. I think we all need a little humility. No matter what perspective you have, no matter what diet form you think you're in, or even in the anti-vaccine space. I was saying to Rylan, you know, backstage before the show, you know, we all have confirmation bias. And I admit that every time I hear about, you know, a raging cancer in a friend or some injury or sickness or illness, my brain immediately thinks vaccine injury. It can't all be vaccine injury, Dell. that's what I tell myself. I check in. Let's be realistic. You have no proof there. There have no evidence. Let's just, you know, stay humble in our perspective here.

I think as we move forward in this world, there's humility that's needed. We have to recognize there something so much bigger than ourselves. And there may be a child out there that does need a vaccine. There may be someone that a vegan diet will really suit and will be the way that they needed to live their lives. We are not here to enter. with each other's intuition. But we are here to say that whatever your intuition is, it's sovereign and it's yours and you should live in a free country to experience it to the fullest and ride it to the end

and the horizon and see how that affects your life. We are not here to make choices for each other. We are here to make choices for ourselves. At least that's the mandate of the Constitution of the United States of America. This is the only nation in the world that says that, that your sovereign greatness, your independence, and the celebration of you as an independent sovereign human being is what will make this country great.

We'll be greater as a whole, as a body if we focus on our own personal greatness, and we live in a country that allows you to do that. There is so much that is shifting in this world. This is not a political show, but we are lucky right now that the politics of this nation or allowing conversations that have never, ever happened before. And the mainstream news is having to talk about it because the president is talking about it. The HHS secretary is talking about it. The FDA is talking about it.

The head of the USDA and agriculture is talking about it. They're all talking about it because you spoke about it, because you told your friends, because you donated to things like I can in the work that we do and other great people, because you voted with your dollars and you were not afraid. Continue to be fearless. Yay that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death, we will fear no evil. We're coming in the holidays.

Speak your truth. Remember, we're in the offensive position right now. There's going to be a lot of complaining. They're going to bring these topics up. So be prepared. Be ready to talk about it. Be ready to change minds. Be ready to speak your truth.

That's what we're here for to supply you with that language. And I look forward to doing more of that next week on the high wire. Thank you.