The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 461: WINS OF CHANGE

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

On today’s HighWire, Former CDC Director Robert Redfield is now saying the quiet part out loud, admitting we were right about mRNA and spike protein. Also, Del Celebrates RFK Jr.’s Announcement of 21 new members of the Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee (IACC), the committee responsible for coordinating the government’s autism research and response. This is huge, and Del has the details.Then, we examine Moderna’s announcement that it is halting new Phase 3 vaccine trials, citing reduced market incentives under increased federal oversight. What does this decision reveal about safety testing, accountability, and public health priorities?Also, a deep dive into the UK’s newly announced AI surveillance system — described by officials as a “panopticon.” We unpack the origins of the term and what it signals about the future of mass surveillance.Plus, as fraud investigations rock Minnesota, autism education providers are facing devastating funding cuts. Jennifer Larson of Holland Center joins Del to explain how legitimate, long-standing programs are now at risk — and how families are paying the price.Guest: Jennifer LarsonBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Yeah! Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time for us all to step out into the high wire. I want to try a little bit of an experiment here. I want us to imagine if we could go back in time, take us to the height of the COVID pandemic. imagine if President Donald Trump had marched out in front of cameras the head of the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and said,

I want you to listen to what the head of the most important health agency in the world has to say about our new vaccine. And this is what he said. The problem is not the science of creating the vaccine. The problem was the public policy and how to use the vaccine. The vaccine should have never been mandated. It wasn't never meant to prevent transmission. It didn't prevent transmission. Probably was a misnomer to call it a vaccine.

It's really more like a medicine. It doesn't stop infection. Children should have never been vaccinated. People shouldn't have been mandated to be vaccinated to go to school and work. So the policy side was totally misplayed. And I know the vaccine came out on the 14th of December, and I was out of office on January 20th.

So unfortunately, I had very little. influence on the policy. But I did argue that it should be a vaccine that we should use for the vulnerable. Put it in the nursing homes. Put it in assisted living. Don't mandate this vaccine, didn't belong in children. So a lot of overreach. And as a consequence, the MRNA was a new technology. It hadn't, you know, we don't know all of the potential negative consequences. I'll say this briefly because I see the timer. When I give you an MRNA vaccine, and I've talked the FDA and others about this. When I give you an MRNA vaccine, I don't know how much spike protein you make. I turn you into a spike protein factory. I think the FDA should know how much protein

do you make. And I don't know how long you make it. I think we ought to know how long do you make it. And I don't know the volume of distribution of it in your body. I think we should know all of those things. I mean, seriously, just for a minute, Would we have gone through the experience we went through? In all honesty, that is the leading scientist head of the CDC that has overseen all the trials that are taking place in Pfizer and Moderna. And what he says is, look, this product is not going to stop transmission. Well, there's a news flash.

That would have gone and flown in the face of the 95% effective we heard on every single news agency there was. By the way, this should probably only be given to elderly people. it's really not even a vaccine. It's really kind of just, you know, an MRI treatment. And we don't know anything about this technology. In fact, you know, it appears that it's going to turn your body into a spike protein manufacturing plant. And we don't know how long that's going to last, how much spike protein is going to create,

or how long it's going to create spike protein. And that's a problem. We really don't know what the health outcomes are going to be. Oh, by the way, you should never give this to children. Can you imagine? I mean, it took a little bit too long there, Dr. Redfield, to get around to giving us this information, but how different would the world we live in be if that was the official statement from the White House? Imagine if you'd have known that.

For all of our loved ones, if someone was just telling them, this product is like nothing we've ever seen, it's going to turn your body into, as he described it, a spike protein, manufacturing plant. What? Wait a minute. Actually, there was someone that was saying that. I distinctly remember right before the vaccine came out, right there, you know, at the end of 2020, someone was describing it exactly like that. Take a look.

With an M RNA vaccine, which is, you know, messenger RNA, manipulation of the message from your DNA to your cells to not only create antibodies, but to actually create the virus itself. Your cells are manufacturing the supposedly deadly spike protein inside of you. A coded message into the cells of our bodies and telling those cells to produce the bioweapon, the toxic part of the virus known as the spike protein, turning our own cells into a virus manufacturing plant. This virus manufacturing plant, or more specifically a spike protein manufacturing plant, Does anyone know how to shut it off?

I mean, it's terrifying. These spike protein manufacturing robots, if you will, the rest of their lives. Manufacturing plants for spike protein. It's making our bodies essentially become a manufacturing plant for the most dangerous part of the virus. Is that correct? Yes, sir. I was actually just having coffee this morning with a, you know, top journalist out there who was saying, I mean, what would you admit you've gotten wrong?

And I honestly, Seth, I'm not saying that, you know, we are infallible, but I honestly can't remember anything during the COVID pandemic that we got wrong here. That's not because I am some super genius. It's because I have an amazing team you rarely see running this show. You never see the international scientists that we meet with every single week. And you've never been through a meeting with attorneys like Aaron Siri that are drilling down and winning lawsuits against the government everywhere they're trying to lie to us and finding through FOIA requests all the information that's been hidden that is what's happening here at the high wire every single week and i said to this journalist look if you can find something that we got wrong i be you know

bring it to me because all we've been doing is producing peer reviewed science this is not a show that's put together on a crystal ball this is not wishful thinking this isn't a bunch of the hippies sitting around eating granola, you know, hoping they're right about something. We've been delivering you the exact science that the head of the CDC knew before anyone in public was ever injected with this vaccine. He was exactly right. It should never have been given to children. It did not stop transmission. But he sat there watching them lie about that and didn't really take to the TV to tell anyone they're wrong. They're lying to you. It's not 95% effective. It's not effective at anything. Maybe reducing.

your symptoms for up to 15 weeks, at which point it becomes negative efficacy. Now it's going to increase your risk of getting infected unless you want to be getting a vaccine every 15 weeks. So about four times a year, then this is one of the worst products that's ever been made. And we really don't know the side effects of spike protein flowing through your body for God knows how long. You have to imagine that will not be the first pandemic. It's not going to be the first time we see virus. It's not going to be the first time we're lied to in the news. we have shown you time and time again they will lie every chance they get and they will try to manipulate you and have you move to society in the way that they want you to

so where are you going to go where are you going to be when you want to say i need someone with a track record that had it right all along i hope you start telling your friends about the highwire i hope you start using little clips like this which i'm sure will be viral this week saying wow the highwire had it right before anyone else was talking about it new york times still has it wrong So it's Washington Post and probably the Atlantic for that matter. Why are they getting it wrong? Why have they never been able to figure out or why they never admitted, hey, we got it wrong, we listened to the wrong people. I don't know, but now someone's finally getting it right.

This week we're going to talk about several things that are happening in our government that are just this site of absolutely mind-blowing. From the moment I started traveling this country with the documentary Vax, became very focused on this issue of autism in America and around the world. And I got to meet some of the most beautiful, wonderful, energetic human beings in the parents of autistic children. You can't imagine some of them, some of the most horrifying stories at home, yet taking their time to go to capitals, to try and change laws, to get in front of any camera they can find to warn people like me and you, be careful. This vaccine destroyed our lives at home. I don't know how they had the energy. I don't know how they did it.

I remember several would say to me, Del, I just got to make this injury to my child mean something. If I can't save other kids, then none of this will have had any value at all to anybody. Well, some of those people have just been added to a committee that has been there for decades. Overseeing autism, this is the headline. Secretary Kennedy appoints new interagency autism coordinating committee to advance fight against autism.

Let me read it again because of this agency, interagency, autism coordinating committee, the IACC. It's a committee that mostly is shilled for the pharmaceutical industry for decades, having everybody spend money on things like the, you know, genetics that are causing autism, as though genetics could cause a crisis that goes from one in 10,000 to one in 20 or 24, 130, wherever you want to look at the surveillance system, a 384% increase just since 2000. There is no genetic explanation for that. That is a toxic load. That is a poisoning.

Something is happening. Well, now that interagency has been changed out by Robert Kennedy Jr. and it is filled by parents of autistic children, by doctors that treat autistic children. It's even got people with autism on the panel. Folks, you are looking at the new dream team. Right here is the moonshot of our time. This is like astronauts walking.

It's like the right stuff. Sylvia Fogel, who was a great voice in our film and Inconvenience Study, Daniel Rosignoll. Let's bring back the names. Elizabeth Mumper, John Rodakis, Elena Monarch, Lauren Selini, Jennifer Phillips, John Gilmore, great, great friend of mine, Caden Larson, Caden, who by the way, we didn't know that he could communicate maybe, I don't know, five or six years ago until he went through spelling to communicate. A child that we didn't know where his education level was at until someone figured out a way for him to communicate.

and now he's gone through college, and he's going to be on a government agency speaking for autistic people in America and around the world. What a triumph this story is. Let's continue on with this list. Also, Elizabeth Bonkin, or Bonker, who is also an autistic person that learned to communicate through spelling many years ago. A miracle we've covered in the film, The Spellers, or Spellers, we've had it on it, and you should check it out. Lisa Widerlight, Toby Rogers, Walter Zerodny, Bill Oldham, Honey Renicella, Crystal Higgins, Ginger Taylor, Daniel Keely, also a person with autism. Lisa Ackerman, Tracy Slepsvic, Katie Sweeney. To all of you, good luck.

To Robert Kennedy Jr., good on you. If you want to know if he's doing anything, look what he just said this week. And the autism that's moving along really isn't time to figure it. We've commissioned now dozens of studies, maybe over 100, and we are going to get those done for you. That's so important. There is Robert Kennedy Jr. in a cabinet meeting saying we are doing dozens, up to hundreds of studies looking at autism. We're going to get that done for you.

Obviously, this is something that President Trump, Donald Trump, cared about before he was ever elected to be president the first time. There is huge change. These are literally the winds of change that are taking place. around us. We should be critical of this government, but let's not lose sight of what is being accomplished. My heart goes out to all those beautiful individuals that are now on this panel. And what is this panel going to do? This is how they describe it. The interagency autism committee is a federal advisory committee that coordinates federal efforts and provides advice to the Secretary of Health and Human Services on issues related to autism spectrum disorder. Through its inclusion of both federal and

public members, the IACC helps to ensure that a wide range of ideas, and perspectives are represented and discussed in a public forum. The committee will reconvene in 2025 to begin a new session under the Autism Cares Act of 2024. They literally will be guiding billions of diers. They provide advice and recommendations to the Secretary of Health and Human Services regarding federal activities related to autism spectrum disorder. Facilitate the exchange of information on and coordination of ASD activities

among the member agencies and organizations. Increase public understanding of the member agencies, activities, programs, policies, and research by providing a public forum for discussions related to ASD research, services, and policy. Now something's finally going to be done about autism. Look out. We are about to get information, and we're going to get it from people that have been in it on the front lines most of their lives now.

This is so important, it's so critical. It is such a huge step for mankind and a huge step for health and the Maha movement in America. We've got a big show coming up. I'm going to talk about a controversy up in Minnesota that you may not have heard about. But first is time for The Jackson Report. Amazing, isn't Jeffrey? We've reported on Spellers to see some of these brilliant individuals that were trapped inside of a body, unable to communicate people assuming they maybe had a third fourth grade, you know, education level,

only to discover that there's these geniuses inside. and now a few of those geniuses are going to be speaking for autism on a panel that moves billions of dollars in the right direction to fund tells HHS, CDC, FDA, where they would like those funds to go. What a spectacular development this is. Huge. Answers, justice, science, and real answers, and perhaps some real therapies from the U.S. government that's backed by research that is going to be done.

I couldn't be happy with this. This is, in my opinion, one of the biggest headlines of the year. So this is, Godspeed to all of those people on that. And as part of this, is this current administration is concerned. One of the action items when it came to power was to get out of the WHO, the World Health Organization, while that action item has been achieved and finalized. This is a press release from HHS, the United States completes WHO withdrawal. And corresponding press release from the World Health Organization.

They say this. WHO recommended the use of masks, vaccines, and physical distancing. This was during the pandemic, but at no stage recommended mask mandates, vaccine mandates, or lockdowns. One of the big reasons we are withdrawn from the WHO is because of their handling of the COVID-19 pandemic and how they really shaped the way countries responded. Well, they're saying there that we never talked about lockdowns.

We don't know what you're talking about. Well, a quick search on X at the time Twitter showed this. This is the WHO's own account. It says this is on May 2020. The human costs of COVID-19 has been devastating and the so-called lockdown measures have turned lives upside down. But the pandemic has given us a glimpse of what our world could look like if we took the bold steps that are needed to curb climate change. So they're saying, yeah, the lockdowns, those were tough, but we could do those for climate change. It goes on. It says another message. same year 2020. As we have said so many, as we have said many times, so-called lockdown measures

can help reduce COVID-19 transmission, but they cannot completely stop. But contact tracing is essential for finding an isolating cases and identifying quarantine their contacts. So they're saying, look, lockdowns are great, but we also need contact tracing. We also need to find these contacts, maybe some vaccine passports here or there. But remember, China was the first country to lock down. And then all the other countries really followed. China had the zero COVID policy. And here's the WHO and some of its leaders talking about how great of a job China did. Take a listen. All right.

China's efforts to contain the outbreak at the epicenter have been essential for preventing the further spread of the virus. The level of commitment from China is incredible. Some people on social media will be open with you were criticizing for praising China. I will praise China again and again. because its actions actually helped in reducing the spread of coronavirus to other countries. The commitment of the political leadership, starting from the number one, from the president himself. What China has demonstrated is you have to do this. And if you do it, you can save lives and prevent thousands of cases of what is a very difficult disease.

The next pandemic is not a question of if, but of when. And we cannot afford to repeat the same mistake of the past. That's why WHS member states are negotiating a new pandemic accord and amendments to the international health regulations to strengthen the legal framework for the global response to pandemics. And we can't stop there. It's, you know, as he said, you know, good on China. images of the giant apartment buildings, people crying out, locked in their apartments, people trying to leave and being tackled by police if they didn't get the things rammed up their nose.

And that's what they said. We will praise that again and again and again. And when they had that pandemic treaty, which I went to Switzerland to protest against, yeah, I've never been happier about, you know, the United States of America and our leadership than bagging out of the WHO, which is a globalist attempt to destroy the sovereignty of America, to destroy and override our freedom. So good riddance to that horror show that used to be called a health agency. Nothing.

This is really great news. And in replace of the United States, California is taking the role. So you have here, as the U.S. bids ado to the World Health Organization, California says hello. So on the weekly calls to the WHO that federal officials are usually on, they're not on there anymore, so we're out of it. California has stepped in. Remember, California is part of the West Coast Alliance is leading it. And we also have an East Coast Alliance who essentially stopped doing any type of new science since the moment the vaccine was released. So we're talking five years. They've had a blind eye to any new science from the vaccine, from health policy.

And that's what they're rolling with because they're still injecting and recommending injecting children with these COVID shots. So let's talk about this COVID shots for a second because something big just happened. We had Stefan Poncell, he's the CEO of Moderna. He was, he sat down during the W.EF Davos meeting just last week in Switzerland, had this to say about the U.S. market. Take a listen. Your message about vaccines is coming at a time where it's not politically in vogue. And there has been a big push, particularly by RFK Jr. to reduce the number of vaccines that are mandated, if any, for school kids who are entering primary education in the

the United States. How much is that affecting your business? So it is sad for us to see that vaccines that have been proven through decades, helping people around the world are not recommended anymore. And that's really for the medical community and the doctors to discuss with our patients about that. What is important is, of course, to focus on people at a high risk. But some of those vaccines, if you think about it, the HPV vaccines has proven to prevent cancer. I mean, think about this. A vaccine that you get in your youth has shown across, you know, so many people across so many

countries to prevent cancer. How many vaccines would you be willing to take to prevent different types of cancers? I would be willing to take a lot. Did you feel like, though, that is going to affect your business and your ability to develop more vaccines, you know, to invest, because it does reduce demand for these, the inoculations? Oh, 100%. And we've said very publicly to our investors that we do not foresee investing in new vaccines. phase-free study in the foreseeable futures in vaccines because you cannot make a return

in investment if you don't have access to the US market or because of delays regulatory wise or because your market is much smaller because you don't have a recommendation by the government and so we're investing in cancer we're investing in rare disease but there's a lot of vaccine that I think we have a huge impact on public health that we're unfortunately not being able to take to face free there is so much that I I I mean, I'm just boiling up. We only have a couple hours here, so I'm going to contain it to this point. First of all, Gardasil ASPV vaccine is not one of the ones that were removed from the recommended list by the CDC.

So he's got that wrong. It never has proven to stop cancer. We've gone deep into that. It only showed precursors, which also disappear on their own. But whatever, that's just a mere formality. But this idea that they're going to stop phase three trials because we just can't get a return on investment when we have an HHS that is demanding safety trials using placebos. We can't get a return on investment. We have Dr. Marty Macri at the FDA saying, we're not going to prove a vaccine, does not prove to be able to stop

the circulating strain of whatever virus you are fighting. So all of a sudden, simply because we need quality in this product, the same companies that make drugs, we've been saying this all along, Jeffrey, if you just had them go through the same gauntlet of safety and efficacy, that every drug we take, these wouldn't be on the market. And they just proved our point. They won't be on the market because they can't go through simple safety trials. We're just asking for placebo trials, and he's saying to his investors, if you do that, there's just no way for us to make money.

And if you don't force it on the American population and just mandate billions of these to be sold, that it's just not worth. We're going to make more money on some rare cancer vaccines and things like that. Okay, Stefan, thank you. I think we're going ahead and read through the lines on what you just told us. there. It's exactly what we thought. Absolutely. And he starts out by saying he's sad that the mandates aren't happening. He's sad that now it's a doctor-patient relationship that they can decide about our products. That's a sad thing for him.

Too bad. God forbid your doctor have any say in the matter. Now let's move over to actual vaccine testing. And let's move over to Guinea-Bissau. And this is out of the New York Times, this headline, Kennedy planned to test a vaccine in West African babies is blocked. Well, it's going on there. Well, it says the West African nation of Guinea-Basao has suspended a controversial U.S. funded study of the hepatitis B vaccine infants there after an outcry from public health researchers over the ethics of the work. Well, what's kind of doing that's unethical? International agreements on medical research and humans require researchers to offer the globally

accepted standard of care, in this case, vaccination at birth to any participant in the clinical trial. But in this study, half of the 14,000 infants study were not going to be given the vaccine until they were six weeks old. So they're trying to do some research here because remember this vaccine. Take this back. I just want to point on just so people really burn it in. This is a totally incorrect statement.

This is not the world known standard of care. In fact, we just took on the Danish study. They don't give it day one hepatitis be vaccine. Germany doesn't. Many nations don't. In fact, we're one of the only ones that we're giving it on day one of life. So let's be clear. All Kennedy is doing is saying we're going to allow how to,

half the kids are getting Basel, Africa, to now go by the current American schedule, the one used in the Danish schedule and the German schedule. So they're lying to you. This is not the world accepted day one. We're on the world accepted now, and suddenly they want to make us think about this. But you have a bigger point to make. I just want to point that out. Yeah, and this was, as we saw ASIP, this is the hepatitis vaccine who was grandfathered in.

The safety studies were following kids for just a matter of days after they injected to see if this vaccine was safe. And also, this is a vaccine that we know that it never was meant to be given to every child. You can screen the mother and it's been pushed onto the U.S. population. So let's talk about the ethics of Guinea-Bissau, of the officials there. Well, beginning in about 2017 and moving through the years, I can put legal letters forward to UNICEF. UNICEF is the main vaccine distributor in a lot of these African countries. And what's it for? Well, we found out about a study of DTAP, the DTAP vaccine, and it was killing children at a rate of about five to ten times

more than it was killing children who didn't have the... DTP, just Jeffrey, just so we get it right. DTP, not DTAP. DT's what we use in America, DTP is the old version. I just want to make that. Go ahead. Yes, thank you. Thank you.

So DTP, so UNICE actually didn't really answer. It didn't answer that call. So we took it to the criminal court, the International Criminal Court for Crimes Against Humanity. because they were giving this vaccine. What am I really talking about? Let's talk to Christine Stable Ben. She was doing a TED talk.

She was one of the lead researchers on this study to show you what was going on there. Take a listen. I'm a medical doctor and a researcher, and for the past 25 years, I've been working in the small West African country in Nairbizao. We started doing what nobody else had done before us.

We evaluated the effect of vaccines on overall health. Before we started looking closer at DCP vaccine, it had only been studied for its protective effects. In one study, we went back to historical data from when DTP vaccine was introduced in Guinea-Bissau in the 1980s, and the results were scary. In spite of being protected against three deadly diseases,

the introduction of DTP was associated with increased overall mortality. Children who received DTP vaccine had five times higher risk of dying than those who didn't. And this is just one example of many studies now done of DTP vaccine, and they all show the same. The protection against the three deadly diseases comes at a very high price, namely increased risk of dying. So with the best of intentions, the use of DTP vaccine may kill

more children than it saves. Based on these observations, but if we modify the existing vaccination schedule in low-income countries, then we could save 1.1 million children every year. One point one million children, that's equivalent to more than 3,000 children every day with minor modifications of the vaccination program. I know these results are extremely uncomfortable, and most people, including myself, just wish they weren't true. But this is what the data tells us. So the same ethical group that doesn't want to allow a study using the American-Denmark German schedule on the children there is the same ethical group. that is continuing to use a vaccine, even against our lawsuits in the International Criminal Court, that if they reduce those vaccines, they would save 1.1 million children per year.

I didn't say that. That is coming from the mouth of the person, one of them that was responsible for the DTP vaccine program. You want to talk about an about face. This isn't someone that wanted to see this. No one wants to admit they're wrong. No one goes out of the way to prove that my life's work has been an accident. I mean, and she's not alone. You got Dr. Peter Abe has said the exact same thing, the senior scientist involved in that program, yet no changes from these very same people. Yeah, let's talk about ethics. Exactly, exactly. And so let's talk about continued lower income countries and their vaccination programs because we have something coming out with the polio conversation.

And remember in 2019, the Associated Press put out this headline, more polio case is now caused by vaccine than by wild virus. Why is that? It says in this article in rare cases, the live virus in oral polio vaccines can mutate into a form capable of sparking new outbreaks. All the current vaccine-dried polio cases have been sparked by type 2 virus contained in the vaccine. Now for the entire polio story, we have a documentary. I did one, Jeffrey Jackson Investigates. We played part one on Christmas Day. Part two is available at Highwire Plus. This is an hour-long deep dive documentary on polio from start to finish. and this is the newest information in this conversation. Health officials have been looking for a polio vaccine

that doesn't revert back to wild type and continue this polio operate because it makes eradication impossible. Well, I think they may have found one. This is nature. This is the huge medical study that was just put in higher stability of novel live-attenuated oral polio virus type 2.

It says the new novel oral poliovirus type 2 was developed to reduce the risk of circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus outbreaks by incorporating genetic modifications to enhance genetic stability and reduce reversion to virulence while retaining protection. So apparently they found it. However, they write, a double recombinant strain identified in a sewage sample lost all key NOPV2 modifications through recombination with enterovirus C strains upstream and downstream on the capsic coating region.

This resulted in high neurovirulence comparable to that of wild type to polio virus. So it didn't work. Not only did it not work, you have a genetically modified strain of this thing now floating around in the sewage, able to have high neurovirulence, just like the old ones that were reverting back and continuing this polio epidemic in these lower income countries. So that's the new science, I guess. A swing and a miss. Back to the drawing board.

Well, I want to move over to China here because currently we have UK Prime Minister Kier Starrmer. He's visiting with the leadership in China right now as we speak. You can see some of the images there. He went over to make a visit. And it's very appropriate because over the last couple of years under Kier Starrmer's leadership, the UK has made headlines like this, how Britain became a surveillance state. Here's another one. UK under spy in the sky surveillance as hundreds of drones deployed across the nation.

And here's the latest, minority report policing to catch criminals before they strike. It says in this article, the government is investing in 4 million pounds in creating an interactive AI-driven map of England and Wales by 2030 that aims to stop criminals before they strike. The project will use official data to identify areas that are likely to see criminal activities, such as knife offenses, or spot early warnings of ready for this, anti-social behavior, whatever that means, so that police can intervene before it escalates. They spoke to British Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood in this article, and she said this,

when I was in justice, my ultimate vision for that part of the criminal justice system was to achieve by means of AI and technology what Jeremy Bentham tried to do with his penopton. That is that the eyes of the state can be on you at all times. This is a chilling statement. Jeremy Bentham was a British philosopher. We have Jeremy Bentham. He's a British philosopher. Late 18th century, he innovates this idea.

It comes up with the idea of a prison design. And it's basically where a single guard in a central tower can observe all the inmates in the surrounding rings of the cells. It creates a feeling of constant surveillance. It acts as an all-seeing eye. Bentham also envisioned this to apply for other institutions like schools, factories, and hospitals to give you an idea where his mindset was. But what this does is this constant surveillance encourages basically self-discipline. encourages fear in people because they never know when they're being watched. So they try to, they self-check themselves.

Assumption is you're always being watched. And any point you're being watched, therefore I must always consider myself being watched. Right. And so this is what the UK police, this is their gold standard. This is what they want to achieve, all seeing eye, policing. And so their new white paper just came out in talking about a new model for policing. And it says this, we'll be investing in facial recognition capabilities and the responsible adoption of these.

This will include over 26 million pounds of development delivery of a national facial recognition system and 11.6 million pounds on live facial recognition capabilities and national coordination of these, just like China. And here's the cool part. 40 new live facial recognition vans. Let me be driving around. We'll be available to support the police and town centers and high crime hot spots across the country. So that's the UK. They're rapidly devolving clearly into a surveillance state here. And when we talk about AI, clearly this is going into the policing. We're talking about AI is taking a lot of our jobs and it's only moving faster at this point,

being installed in government to what ends we'll see pretty soon, I think, but this rapidly moving throughout society and people are left to wonder what is left for the human experience. And when I look at this headline here and this caption, this image from Canada's main made, that's the medically assisted suicide the government has put forward. And they have a statistic here about people that go through this pathway to end their lives from government sponsorship. And it says, the reasons they do it, 86.3% do it because they cannot engage in meaningful activities. Meaningful life, meaningful activities is a key to the human experience. And AI is probably going to take some of that away. In fact, don't listen to me. Here's Elon Musk.

just last week at Davos. Listen to what he had to say. Actually, my prediction is in the benign scenario of the future that we will, the robots will actually make so many robots in AI that they will actually saturate all human needs. Meaning you would be able to even think of something to ask the robot for at a certain point.

Like there will be such an abundance of goods and services. Because my prediction is that there'll be, there'll be more robots than people. So. But how do you then have human purpose in that scenario? Yeah, I mean, you know, there's nothing's perfect. You know, it's really shocking. He's such a smart guy.

You always get the sense you've thought of everything. And in all of his discussions, in all of his building of robots, he hasn't figured out an answer to that question. Well, nothing's perfect, like robbing us of the human experience completely. It's sort of like what we see in Farmer, right? It's like a polio event. Let's just go ahead and start giving this thing to everybody.

And let's see what happens. Sure, there could be some side effects out there like, you know, people just wanting to kill themselves, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. It's really why the world is as difficult to a place as it is right now. Is too many people not thinking things through or in charge? And one of the key parts of the human experience is informed consent, parental rights, the right to basically dictate your own sovereignty and not have a government tell you what to do. And I want to talk about all of the bills now that are being put forward

in the U.S. Now, this is the age of Kennedy. This is the age of a new health paradigm in the United States. And states are reflecting that by the bills that they are putting forward. Some good, some bad. This is a battle that's happening right now under our noses in almost every state. One of the states, New Jersey, put forward a bill that, this is the headline here, did New Jersey just take control of your children's health? This is vaccine bill A616. What this does is it aligns New Jersey and allows their Department of Health to make vaccine decisions and mandates and recommendations away from ASIP so they can rely on American Academy

of Pediatrics or several other trade groups that take money from pharmaceutical companies to make these recommendations. And they're part of this East Coast Alliance, just like the West Coast Alliance. So you see a lot of states doing these similar things to just basically take ASEA by the picture and make their own rules going forward. We have Michigan.

Michigan put forward 11 bills. Michigan Democrats rollout vaccine bill package as GOP raises concerns. So this package 11 different bills, wide range of different policies from mandating, reporting, immunization to modify an exemption form. So I,

Eyes on those, heads up Michigan, because those are coming in hot, a lot going on there. All of those 11 bills are things that, you know, we're really keeping an eye on because there's something that we would like to see, you know, we wouldn't like to see too much of this going forward. So Massachusetts, we have two bills here that are kind of carried over, and these are bills to really get rid of the religious exemption, but also to put forward reporting, school reporting and make that public. We know that that is an issue for the communities. It shames parents. It puts pressure on these children and their families within communities when you make these numbers public. So Massachusetts is going in that direction. But then we go to Iowa.

There's an easier way to do that. I've said it before. Just pin a yellow star on everybody that's not vaccinated. You know, I mean, this is the type that they were talking about. If you're going to publicly call people out for their religion, for the decisions that they're making their personal beliefs, then we have just become a society that we have always said we detest. And to think that these are bills that are being written by American citizens to do to other American citizens, it's really quite disturbing. Absolutely, absolutely.

And so we have some other bills moving in the opposite direction. We had out of Iowa, this may make Stefan Panzele somewhat angry, but out of Iowa, we have a HPV vaccine bill, S304, or House Subcommittee approves bill requiring parental consent for HPV vaccine. Oh, good. So with sexually transmitted diseases, minor children can make decisions without parental consent, often without their knowledge. This actually has parents come in and be part of that decision and to understand that decision for these minor children.

So why is that a big deal? Well, parental rights.org is one of the leading nonprofits, basically showing what kind of parental rights are throughout America. We have an issue with parental rights, not just in the vaccine space, but there's a lot of other spaces that this drips over into. And here's an image from their website. What percent of states have state statues that define and protect parental rights? 60 percent of states have no statute.

Only 40 percent of the states have statues that define and protect parental rights. So anytime we're seeing an increase in that, it seems like a pretty good idea. Now, Hawaii this week, two bills came forward. Remember, Hawaii has tried twice now over the last. seven to eight years to try to take away the religious exemption to vaccination. So now we have two bills pushing back. We have HB2166. And in this bill it says this, no child shall be subjected to medical examination, vaccination, re-vaccination, or immunization of a parent or legal guardian objects based on a bona fide religious tenets and practices.

So now they're pushing back with this religious exemption and religious rights, essentially, in that state. We have another one out of Hawaii as well. HB 2199, and these are rights to bodily autonomy. So any citizen there can refuse any health or medical intervention, testing, treatment, vaccines. And this is, again, based on religious or conscientious personal beliefs. So they're going hard in Hawaii, which is good to see. Florida, also a lot of going on right in there.

It's a huge hotbed. We had Lodipo, we had DeSantis come forward and said no more mandates. This bill, vaccine manufacturers, could get hurled into court under bill moving through Senate. This is SB 408. So any vaccine that's advertised in the state, if that harms somebody that's taken it, they have three years to sue the manufacturer in that state. So this is kind of like a vaccine court within that state. So this is really, really interesting to see here how that's going to play out. And then the big bill, this is the medical freedom bill, SB 1756 out of Florida. It's the headline, requires safety and risk information

before kids receive vaccines. So not the home run that many were expecting. We were expecting zero mandates, no more mandates for any vaccine. What this does is the injecting doctor or physician has to give the parents all the information. They have to get a signature from the parents before they inject the child. One of the things that was slipped into this bill, however, is a quarantine amendment. It allows the state health officer to quarantine anybody. if there's a health emergency that has not been vaccinated. So that's one of the things that a lot of

people on the ground are fighting to get out of there. This thing's moving hot and heavy through the legislator right now. So keep an eye on this because we don't know where it's going to end up. Yeah, that doesn't sound good. Certainly, you know, knowing Joseph Lattapo, that is not what that bill was meant to do is to quarantine your children for living the way our parents did, right? That's illegal apparently now. Anyway, great reporting, Jeffrey. As always, I think it's, you know, there's great, with every great win and success for that Newton's law, right, everything has an equal and opposite reaction. That's what this show feels like today. There's some really great breakthrough things happening, yet we are getting a massive title wave now of opposition that is coming to try and undo that, to thwart it, to stop it.

So we have got our hands full. Really appreciate the reporting and I look forward to seeing what happens next week. All right. Everyone reactivate, activate in your states, whatever you have to do, this is the time to push forward. Absolutely. All right. Take care, Jeffrey. So look, you know, I've said it from the beginning of this year.

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Super important. All right. You know, there's news stories that we watch sometimes in the news and sometimes we cheer and sometimes we're upset, but a lot of times we never get the whole story. And a lot of times we may not be seeing all of the repercussions that are taking place in that story. Well, this particular news story, you saw it, it's up in Minnesota.

It's not the one that's really on flames right now. It's the other one. The other one about the fraud, like the biggest fraud that has ever been discovered, like billions of dollars being stolen for fake daycares. You remember this one. Growing investigation into a fraud scheme involving taxpayer money that was supposed to be spent on social services. A viral video appears to expose that alleged fraud at several

Somali operated child care centers in Minneapolis. The business is licensed for 99 kids, but when independent reporter Nick Shirley went by this month, the place appeared completely empty. There's no one here right now. It's midday on a weekday. The video, which alleges the daycare is fake, says the facility had received $4 million in state funds.

This comes as Wallace's administration faces allegations of widespread fraud connected to state social services. Hello, we'd like to ask where the money's going? Answer the question, are there children? There's no children inside the building. FBI director Cash Patel claims that case is just the tip of a very large iceberg.

Now, he says he's surging more resources to Minnesota to investigate. The Trump administration says it is freezing federal funding for childcare in the state and will require justification and a receipt or photo evidence from all providers who receive the funding nationwide. I think a lot of us were like, good, geez.

I mean, are taxpayer money going to criminals billions? I mean, when they're starting to talk about the numbers across Minnesota billions, tens of billions, maybe hundreds of billions. Look at this epicenter of fraud. Minnesota's empty stomachs, fake autism therapy and scandal that could stop $2 billion. Wouldn't you love to have that money back in your pocket so you could spend it in the right place? But, you know, who would that hurt? You know, they shut it down. Good, shut it down. Well, what about all of those daycares and autism centers that were doing it right, that have real children inside of there? It's affecting them, too. And that has been brought to our attention by Jennifer Larson, who runs one of the biggest autism facilities up in Minnesota. This is her testifying on that issue. My name is Jennifer Larson. I'm the founder and CEO of Holland Center in Minnesota. I've been an autism provider for over 20,

20 years and started the organization for my son. What started as a small program grew over two decades into four locations that families rely on not just for therapy, but for hope, routine, and survival. And this week, Holland and other programs all over Minnesota are collapsing. Not because we committed fraud, but because a crime ring was allowed to operate inside Minnesota's service system and the government's clumsy response is now destroying legitimate long-standing providers and devastating families that we see. serve. When services disappear, families do not just simply adjust. They face a crisis.

For more than two decades, Holland has served hundreds of children, year after year, employed hundreds of clinicians and staff, operated under yearly on-site audits, inspections, and documentation oversight, delivered real services to real children every day. We've always complied with everything the system required. Yet within the last month, the state has withheld over $400,000 in Medicaid funds for my own program. and that number grows every single day. What happened in Minnesota had nothing to do with the ethical, long-standing autism providers.

What did happen was organized criminal networks that exploited autism services by opening fake centers, billing for children that did not exist, billing for services never delivered, and stealing millions of taxpayer dollars in the process. These are not minor compliance issues. They are criminal enterprises. Families trusted that the government

was protecting the integrity of the system. It failed. Now instead of doing the obvious thing and targeting criminal actors, the response has been to freeze everyone's payments. That decision does not punish the criminals. It punishes innocent children and families. Autism therapy cannot be paused without consequences. Loss of services can erase years of progress in weeks, and abrupt disruption of services can cause

lifelong consequences in these children. This is not abstract harm. It is daily trauma for families already carrying an extraordinary burden. I built Holland for 20 years. Families built their lives around the care that we provide. All of that is risk of destruction today, not by fraud, but by clumsy government response that failed to distinguish between criminals and caregivers.

But families and children should never pay the price for government failure. Thank you. Well, there's repercussions to everything that happens in government, and this is one of those stories. It's my honor and pleasure to be joined now by one of the most powerful autism moms I've ever met, Jennifer Larson. Jennifer, hi, it's great to have you on.

I wish it was under better circumstances. This is a really, really terrible story. So I guess my first question would be, as this fraud story started breaking loose all over Minnesota, people taking advantage making up autism centers, or a center of it that had nobody in it and things like that. Did you foresee as that was happening, uh-oh, this could cause a problem? Did you imagine you could get pulled into this?

You know, at first, when a lot of the centers started popping up, I thought great because I did the same thing for my son. I started a center because I wanted a program that was right for him, and there wasn't enough programs. And we've had a waiting list for five years. I was very supportive when I started to see some of these centers pop up out of the blue. And in fact, some of them reached out to me for support and advice and to consult. And that was years ago.

But then as it continued and we went from, you know, a few of them to 300 to 400 centers, it seemed there was a red flag there. There is a high prevalence of autism in the Somali community. And so it didn't raise a red flag right away. But after, and it's not just Somalis, but. After 300 to 400 centers, it didn't make a lot of sense what was going on in our state. And so as this, you know, just a couple weeks ago, is this really started breaking loose, you then must have been caught by surprise that there was that level of fraud taking place

in and around you in the state of Minnesota? Everybody in Minnesota heard about the daycare fraud probably 10 years ago. And then it just kind of went away on the news. And I, you know, good for Nick Shirley, but, you know, I don't have the time or energy to go investigate every autism center. So I'm not going or repeated. I'm not a, you know, citizen journalist. But I don't think most Minnesotans are surprised by the fraud. I think they're surprised by the level and magnitude of the fraud. Because living here, it's kind of become one of those unfortunate issues in Minnesota that just exists where we live.

If that makes any sense. Yeah, I get what you're saying. And we have to be careful. There's, you know, accusations of racial issues around this that get tagged on this, which aren't right. And I do want to point out, because you lightly mentioned it, early on in my investigation as I was traveling with Vax, one of the anomalies that really stood out was this massive autism spike in the Somali community up in Minnesota. I've said the CDC should have built one of the biggest centers in the world inside of, Minnesota since that Somali, you know, uh, group had the highest rates recorded at that moment anywhere in the world.

It didn't make sense. They were, my understanding is they were bringing in, you know, which doctors to try and do seances on their children because they had never seen it. They didn't have a word for autism. So that's a story that you and I have discussed prior to all of this that's also at the center of this discussion. But unfortunately, that problem was taken advantage of and then turned into this giant, money laundering theft in Minnesota. Yes, and it's nothing to do with their community. I think you know that many of our advocates, Andy Wakefield, Mark Blacksell, myself,

Patty Carroll have tried our hardest to help that community as much as we can and serve that community. So it has nothing to do with that. It's just that they started to pop up. I didn't think it was the problem that it was becoming because of the high prevalence is all I'm trying to say. It gave cover, right? cover right it was like that this is happening for reason it should look we need that many centers this is the thing and when we really talk about it people have no idea how many autism centers we need in this country we have no idea how big an issue this is because if it's not

right inside of our household we don't know what it's like to take care of these kids and that's the work that you're doing so how many facilities do you have and how many children and people are you treating like you're you know working with it have autism I have four local locations and we have about 200 kids and some of them come you know as their school replacement basically that's what my son did for many years and then others are kind of inpatient or outpatient kind of going in and out for speech out here whatever they need behavior services or consulting so yeah about 200 I serve right now and then I have about 115 employees wow I mean so it's it's a I mean to me that's a big

operation certainly bigger than the work that we do here with I can You've been dedicated to it, one of the, as I've said before, one of the most dedicated people in this movement on this issue. So when this happened, when they suddenly just froze funds, did they essentially just blanket? I mean, it was, I guess when I saw the headline, I was like, they can't really just be freezing everything. That's just probably a headline. But they literally, the Trump administration, it was a federal decision to just freeze her as HHS freezes all childhood payments to Minnesota after viral fraud. allegations. Did you get a call? Did you get a warning? How did you find out? So here's the confusion. I think that was for the daycares. Okay. That the Trump

administration did that. What happened to us was actually a Wall's decision. Oh, really? He picked 14. Yes, 14 categories of Medicaid funding, 13 of which are disabled children and adults. It's transportation. It's adult housing. It's all 13 of the 14, like I said, are disabled. He picked 14 categories and said, stop. We're going to put these through prepayment review, it's called at Optum's AI. And Optum, an insurance company who, you know, their job is to deny claims, suddenly got all our claims. And I mean, until today, and I did get some money today, the last date of service that I got paid on was December 5th. They withheld all the claims for everybody, regardless of who they were, that I've been in business over 20 years, that I've had audits every year on site. I've been like, and all the other providers like me. I mean,

I know a lot of really great providers in the trade group I'm in and everybody got all their claims got held for no reason at all. No, there was no, I'm sure there's no issue, but they just held everybody because they didn't know what they were doing. And then went two cycles and we started to raise alarms obviously because my payroll is $250,000 every two weeks. Wow. And this is a, yeah, and it's a company that's thin margins. I've never paid myself in 20 years. It's not, we're not like rolling in dough to be able to like make. That just gives you a sense of the cost of autism, which is something I've talked about before.

People have no idea. That's for, for 200 kids, 150 outpatient. So 350 all in $250,000 every two weeks. Yeah. And so my Medicaid payment basically covers my payroll. And then the rest of it has to cover my rent and anything else that I have to pay for, right? You have all your business expenses. So when they cut off, when they,

cut us off. You know, we can't make our payroll. And a lot of the companies here have already gone under. They've just had to shut down. I last week finally said, look, who wants to go on unpaid leave because we can't afford this? We finally did get paid some this week for the first two cycles, but now they're two weeks behind. So I'm going to always be $300,000 in debt because they're just withholding payments. Well, and let's be honest, we've been working on this story with you for the last days. You literally said on your show on Thursday, if this payment doesn't come through, I'm going to have to shut the doors on this facility. So we're lucky that the story is not as gruesome as we were planning on. Thank God. I want to say that thank God some of that funding came through this very morning.

But I want to just talk about for people that don't know what that would be like. I mean, I think we just had a freeze here in Austin, Texas, and our kids weren't in school for five days. You know, is that, you know, when you shut down to school, even if it's for short periods of time with children that are autistic or on the spectrum, what does that do for that type of person? Like I said, it's a complete crisis. And, you know, I've had parents calling me crying, what can we do? What can we help? And, you know, they're doing the best. There's not a lot they can do because it's just such a big gap of money, you know, and they're scared to death. I have some parents. I have a parent whose child has been discharged from five other locations. And now is spelling at my location and doing wonderfully. And they're scared to death. And these kids, they don't, they need the stability.

They're, you know, their whole day, you know, they get their behaviors, their aggression, and everything goes off the rails when they don't have their routines. Yeah, I know that's, I'm a mom. You know, I mean, I know my son and he's pretty chill sometimes. But, you know, when these kids, they have their routine, They know what they need and they need to have that stability. I mean, that routine is part of what you work on, right, is getting them into a routine. If that routine breaks, in some instances, you know, I was just talking to some folks that work here with us that, you know, have children at home that are dealing with us.

They're like once you break the routine, sometimes you have to start all over again, a year's work or more. You're back to ground zero trying to build back the trust and all of those issues. So, you know, let me ask a harder question because as we sit here watching all this fraud taking place, how easy is it to commit fraud in Minnesota? Is it just like nobody's paying attention to the amount of money you're bringing in? Because I know that you're on the up and up. As you said, you're buried, you know, I've seen your facility. It's incredible the work that you do. But obviously, you have an insight none of us have.

Is there just a lackadaisical government there that just throw up? money at you and never asks the question. I've talked to my billing people about this because with all this prepayment review, I really wanted to understand in depth each of our claims because they were being held. And my billing people will say there's no way this didn't happen without, you know, help. Because if we bill maybe 15 minutes on accident for a child over the allotted time, we get flagged, which rarely happens, but sometimes, you know, you may be able to be. make a little error, how they were billing for kids that didn't exist, how they were billing

24 hours a day with one therapist with eight kids, how they didn't have on-site audits like we had every single year, somebody comes in, sits down and says, I want to see these files of these kids for this time on this day, and then they want to see the kids. And if they're not there, you're, you know, well, this kid's sick and you need to say where is the kid. So the amount of scrutiny we go through on a daily basis for 20 plus years to make sure that every single, thing we have to bill when we bill we have to document every 15 minutes and so I don't know I mean it's it's astounding it's to say the least that this was allowed to happen with three to 400 centers that weren't serving children with disabilities

and what could you think about a more awful thing to be doing than pretending to serve disabled children I can't and I you know I know you're being careful but what it sounds like to me is if you you are having to have scrutiny over every 15 minutes that's happening with a child. They know if the child's been sick or missed a day and they're all over you. How, as you put it, is billions of dollars flowing into centers that have no kids in it? And some kid with a video camera can prove that. That looks like government corruption.

That looks suspect. And I hope an investigation gets into any government officials that are involved in that in your state, in every state, in this country. It is time to clean this stuff up. I mean, you know, we're all, it's hard for a lot of people out there, especially parents that are, you know, footing the bill. You know, even the Medicare, Medicaid doesn't cover all of the things it takes, as you know, to raise a child with autism. I mean, it's an astronomical expense, let alone just what it takes to be at home to not be able to get to your job at times, all of the way that it affects you. And to think that you're paying taxes that are just going to fraud like this, it's really disturbing. So is there light then today as you're seeing these payments?

You're going to be behind, you know, something I can't imagine, $300,000 every two weeks. That's a lot of money. But is there communication opening up? Do you feel like they're going to get this fixed? I think DHS, there was a hearing yesterday and they're trying to say that they're up to date on their billings, which they're not, because we're all two weeks behind. I think it was a need-jerk reaction. They didn't actually think about the collateral damage. They didn't think about the fact that we can't bankroll 90 days of payroll. We are, you know, that this isn't, this isn't, well, who can?

I don't know what industry can bankroll 90 days of payroll. But, you know, I think they are actually seeing the light and regretting what they've done. reverse it. I did get the first two cycles, like I said, but it was one was over the holidays, so it was lower anyway. I'm still in trouble, though, because all my landlords at least gave us reprieve like January. They said, okay, we get it. But now on my biggest center, I owe $100,000 in rent because I didn't pay January and I need February. That's $100,000 right there that I don't have because I didn't get the, I'm buying 300. And so it's a catch-up game that's going to be really hard to catch up on. I mean, I do have a little breathing room like you said. It's not like I'm

closing on Monday now. But it's not going to be an easy road unless they actually repair the damage that they're doing to us daily. Because every day, I fall more behind. You've been deeply involved in politics. It's one of the things when I met you, you were a founder of the Canary Party and attempt to sort of bring this autism issue into politics, to have politicians discussing it. You and I have gone to state capitals. deeply involved with the Republican Party. I think I can say that. You've been, you know, I think your name is on enough things.

I can say that safely. Was this a learning experience just about government? I mean, big government and what happens. Is it hard to fix problems like this, like fraud? Or do you just think this is just total ineptitude? I'm just scared that it could happen again. Yeah, I mean, having a business and it's interesting, and I try not to read comments on articles and things where things are posted, that, you know, if you do rely on the government for, it's for me, it's 60% of what we bring in, and they can just blanket pull it out like that from you, I just don't know if it's how I can feel comfortable going forward in an industry where that can happen. I don't know why it could happen again. They can just say, no, we're not going to pay you again. And then what do you do? So I think, I think, I think, I

What it taught me is, well, it's taught me a lot, actually, and it scares me, it scares me a lot for Minnesota and a lot of the states, California and a lot of the blue states, because if anything can be learned from this for the states that haven't pulled their Medicaid is don't do what Minnesota did and don't shut down the real people who are servicing real children and real adults and have real disabilities. Don't do that. Do something else. If there's any lesson to be learned from this, regardless of what happens with me. But that's what I think. I think it's government isn't paying attention to the people. And again, it wasn't CMS that did this. It was Governor Walls that did this. And that keeps kind of getting confused, unfortunately. Yeah, I'm glad we cleared that up because I didn't have that right.

I was like, Bobby, where are you at? What are you doing? This is one of our own. Well, I've been yelling. I'm texting Bobby too. I'm like, come on. Somebody help me out here. Speaking of Bobby, speaking of Bobby, let's move to, I think, probably the greatest headline of the week is the new interagency autism coordinating committee.

Sitting with you at that hearing behind you was your son, Caden, who has been with you all along the way. He is now one of the members of a government agency that's going to be helping to decide where billions of dollars. dollars on funding around the autism issue is going to go. Caden Larson is a non-speaking adult with autism. It's currently enrolled at Normandale Community College in Minnesota and studying mathematics. Caden serves as a board member of children with autism, deserve education, which connects families with grants

for medical service education therapy. Larson also works for communications for all and Spellers Freedom Foundation, which aims to bring spelling and typing as a method of communication and education to socioeconomically challenged communities and public schools, this is one of the great stories of all times. I mean, you know, let's just talk about spellers for a second. You had a son, he would walk with you. I met him.

Always beautiful, beautiful smile, but I didn't, you know, I want to say, was it five or six years ago? We didn't know what his communication level was or what his education level was. I don't want to misstate the amount of years we're in because I'm losing track of time. But just, Described prior to spellers where you were at with Kaden. It's 2020, right when COVID was hitting when we started spelling. But prior to that, you know, I always knew he was in there. I just couldn't reach him. I believed he was there, but he had no way to communicate even with an iPad, even, you know, the buttons.

He just never got it. They thought he had the intellect of a four-year-old. That's what, you know, psych testing would tell me. And so no, you know, I spent 20 years just guessing what he wanted and, you know, I'm trying to make it through. And he's lovely and this is, you know, spelling started in 2020. And then you know this, Del. It saved his life. And I was speaking with people about that, about his cancer in 2022.

Well, tell us just a little bit about that because this is, I mean, so he basically told you I'm having issues that you wouldn't have known. otherwise right is able to communicate well he had some issues during his cancer that if he couldn't tell me um that weren't presenting a fever that he would have died and his oncologist is on saying that because he had infections that hurt you know to urinate another thing and he and if he couldn't tell me mom this you know i feel this way he would have died because he had no white count um yeah so no he see he um yeah he's a he's a trooper and he is so proud to be on i You should have seen him this morning. It's so absolutely over the top.

I couldn't be more proud also, but yeah. Well, it's an amazing story. It's a great team of people that Bobby Kennedy's put together there. So many of our friends that you know, some great scientists, doctors. You know, there's many that I'm sure wish they could be on. They don't want to say it is a dream team. There's some people like you out there here in my own company that I wish we're on that. But it's a really great step in the real.

right direction. So as you look at this work that you've been doing, you're right there on the ground for with children. You've taken care of your own. You've been involved in politics. What is your feeling now about what Kennedy is doing? Do you have hope that we're going to start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel on this journey? Oh, 100%. I think Bobby's doing all the right things. I am supportive of everything he's done. I'm supportive of the people he's working with. I'm supportive of what they did for Hep B, what they're going to, what they're doing with all the, with the schedule, what he's done with the food pyramid. He's been doing amazing things that we all know for 20 years have been the right things to do. And finally, for those of us who've

been screaming in the wind and, you know, victimized and, you know, called crazy, you know, tinfoil people, hey, guess what? Like you were saying in your last segment, there's no proof. There's no there's no double-blind studies. All this, I'm so happy he's suing the Academy of Pediatrics. I know a doctor here in the Twin Cities who had to leave his practice because he was being victimized by his practice saying, if you don't do this, you're going to be fired. And so then he just left. So I think this is, everything he's doing, I 100% support. I do have, I do finally have hope. I just think the administration, we got to get through the midterms. And we got to keep We've got to keep Bobby there and we got to keep the power on the right side of the issues.

Well, great. Well, you know, I look forward to talking about that more and this is going to be a very important year. If you'll stick around for off the record, which is just a little interview I do after the show, I'd love to actually talk to you about adults. What's going to happen to these children? Are there enough centers out there as parents are aging out where they can't take care of these children? I know it's a huge issue. I'd like to know your perspective on that. But before we do that, if people want to help with your work or donate or get involved, what's the best way to contact you and help out?

Well, any help is appreciated. It's a rough time. Just go to info at hollumcenter.com. That's my, just our mail and my staff can direct them. Yeah, it is a tough time. So I appreciate anybody who wants to support. All right. Well, this is an issue that's close to us, and we have a very active audience, so I'm sure they're going to help you out.

And keep us posted. If anything shifts, if this goes negative in any way, I'm going to scream bloody murder and I'll help you do it. So we'll make sure that we get this worked out, right? Okay. All right. All right. All right, take care, Jen. I'll talk to you soon.

All right. Okay, thank you. Well, you know, there is so much good that's happening, and a lot of it, you know, the work that we do, you see the Reaper repercussions of it. You get to be involved. You get to see the stories that no one else will tell. You get to see the lawsuit wins. You know, all of that's made possible by those of the you are sponsoring. We do have one of the way. Look at all the legal wins. I mean, winning against the government of the United States more than anyone ever in this space. It makes it really hard for these these news reporters that are, I'm sure probably writing hit pieces out there. But what are they going to write about? Like, I'm winning against the government. What is it I got wrong? I always say this. You know, You know what? You should try to win lawsuits against the government in the United States using misinformation. It doesn't work that way. There is misinformation. It's coming from mainstream media. But slowly it's changing. And we're a part of that change. You're a part of that change. One of the things you can do to help us out is to get a brick on the terrace. We are coming to the end of this program. We have sold a lot of bricks. All the benches are gone.

But the sale is going to end on Valentine's Day, which is perfect. I think this would be a great Valentine's gift. Why don't you make a brick with your loved one? Say something special about them or why you care on this issue. And that is going to complete the walkway's done, but it'll go up onto the terrace. And then once you have a brick, we would love it if you would come out and watch a show. And take a look at your brick and take a look at the beautiful campus that we have here. This is my favorite brick of the week. Well, this is my favorite brick of the week.

It's amazing. In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary. act. I guess it is a revolution. Winning is also a revolutionary act, and that's what I think's going on now. Speaking of winning, you know, all these people keep saying, you know, it's time to move on from COVID. It's time to forgive. I keep saying, I will forgive when someone apologizes. What am I forgiving you for? Well, I think we might have just gotten one of the first real official apologies out there in the abyss coming from our military. Take a look at this. To the sailors and Marines who were wrongfully discharged during COVID, we failed you. We will

never allow this to happen again, not on my watch. We are ready for you to come back, and we want to correct your records. You are warrior's conscience, and we need people like you back in the force to accomplish peace through strength. We're writing this wrong, and it starts with this formal letter of apology. Semperify and hoo-ya. I think we can say that about every one of you that stood up for what was right in whatever job you either lost or walked away from because you would not put up with it. You are warriors of conscience. I love that term.

I love that we are now seeing our own military in the United States of America leading the way to teach people what it looks like to apologize for having been wrong and doing wrong. There's more of that as needed by every news agency that is out there. Everyone that reported that it was 95% effective when your own head. of the CDC Dr. Robert Redfield knew better, knew that wasn't true. Well, maybe you didn't know how to read an emergency use authorization like the high wire did. I don't know. Maybe you don't know how to research. You should learn how to do it, but one thing's for sure. You got it wrong, and it's time to apologize. If you haven't noticed, the pendulum is swinging. We are winning.

Everybody's moving our direction. More and more people are recognizing. More and more scientists are recognizing more and more doctors are recognizing that Houston, we have a problem with this vaccine program. The number one being, we never tested it for safety. That's a huge problem. It's what I say over and over and over again in these interviews. Like, what did we get wrong? Well, and I said it to this journalist today. If I read in your article that it says the experts say the placebo trials have been done, I'm going to be severely disappointed. I put a lot of into this conversation, multiple conversations, and one thing is clear. You know how to ask for a placebo trial. I said to this person, call Paul Offa today. Tell him, Del Bigtree is saying,

you have never done placebo trials, not just of the vaccines on the program, but not even the earlier phase versions that you're now testing against. None. He's saying they don't exist. This is what I said to the guy. Now tell Paul Offett, please help me end this conversation. Help me prove Del Batree wrong. And when he can't, and when he doesn't, then recognize you have had it wrong, that every news agency that has said it is misinformation to say that there have never been placebo trials, you got it wrong. And now we are all together in the same messed up situation. What do we do in a world where we are ejecting our kids with 72 in the blue states and, you know, probably somewhere around 45 in all the other states, because now we're getting divided over the toxic load we're going to give our kids, all based on zero science.

We don't know if the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus, and we don't know if the virus is more dangerous than vaccines, because we never did the science. It doesn't exist. There's no mountain of it. There's no molehill. There's nothing. Zip, nada. So now we're all in this as journalists, stark naked together with no facts. I can point to my science, peer-reviewed sciences we do every single week, and you'll try to point to yours. But here's what we know. No prospective safety studies were ever been done, which means we've got to carefully figure out how to back out of this program and see what's going on. Robert Kennedy Jr. has a very difficult job. Do you want to see everybody just stop vaccinating?

I don't know. There's people that are worried about the repercussions of that. How many kids would be in harm's way? How many babies? What would that mean? There are people trying to figure this out. But we should have never been in this position. We should have never had the pharmaceutical industry jump an entire part of the scientific method, the safety studies.

Why did you skip it? You know, it's a bit like it. I thought about this driving in. You ever try to put together an IKEA piece of furniture, nothing against IKEA. But you ever try to do it without reading the instructions? And then you go, oh, I'll figure it out. It's like nothing you've ever seen. All you know is by the time you get to the end of it, you got 10 screws.

You can't figure out where they are and you can't take this thing apart because all the particle board will break apart and the glue will be everywhere. It'll be an absolute disaster. So you just live with it. You skipped the most important part. You skip the instructions. And now you've got a piece of furniture that you know is going to, a door's going to fall off and it's all going to start falling apart because you didn't do it right.

That is what's happening in this vaccine program right now. They skip the instructions. They skip the scientific method. They never did the safety studies. And now we have the sickest kids in the industrialized world, the sickest nation in the industrialized world, the sickest generation of kids this country has ever seen. And I hang that on everything.

pediatrician. I hang that on every former health agency of the United States of America that was involved in this program and all the pesticides and the herbicides and the fluoride and the chemicals that you're poisoning us with. We finally have people in office that are investigating all of it. And go ahead. New York Times, Washington Post, scream bloody murder because someone in government finally cares. You obviously don't. You're on. a mission to tow the line and make sure America's kids stay sick. We'll watch your following disappear as the high wire grows. Watch your states disappear as all of them move to Texas, move to Florida to places where they're free to make their own decisions, where they have

parental rights, and where they're allowed to give half the toxic load that you're going to give Gavin Newsom in California to your kids. Good luck with that. Good luck ever winning a political position again. And please run for president as the new voice for the globalist WHO and the triple vaccinator from California. We'll see how many people actually believe in that program. Meanwhile, we're going to bring you the truth. We're going to show you the truth as it happens, the science as it breaks, peer-reviewed or sometimes even going into review.

This is where you get it first. This is where we get it right. And this is becoming so popular that now all over the world they're watching the high wire. And I'm about to go on a European tour. So if you want to see me in England, I'm going to be in Guernsey. Healing Beyond COVID event, February 7th. We're doing a screening of the film, a Q&A. And then on February 8th, I'm going to be giving a speech and be on a bunch of panels there.

And then I'm heading over to Amsterdam, Battle for the Science. February 9th and 10th. It's a two-day event where global. experts discuss key issues in science, medicine, public health. I want you to be there. If you're anywhere near, if you're close, I know when you're in England, I guess this is an island you have to get to in Guernsey, but seriously, like, we'll drive five hours without thinking about it here in America. And there, I'm like, where are you at? I want to come visit you. Oh, man, I'm two hours awake. You can never get to me. Travel. Come see me. Let's have a moment. That's happening in

Europe. I'm probably going to do a lot of traveling like that, because all around the world, Australia wants to watch an inconvenience study. They want to have panels. I'm talking about. I'm talking to people in Iceland. The world is waking up. They're watching Robert Kennedy Jr. And there may be some blue states that have trumped arrangement syndrome and okay, but let's look at all the good. You really don't want whole food in your children's school lunch. You really want fake milk or do you want real whole milk? You really want, you don't, you want to stick with the poisons in your food supply. You want Kellogg's to keep using chemical dyes. You don't want a safety study done anywhere. You don't want to actually.

actually see Henry Ford's study repeated a bunch of times so we can get to the bottom of this. Why is it that there's not a study in the world that compare vaccinated to unvaccinated, show that the vaccinated are healthier? Yet I'm still supposed to do this. I'm supposed to get double the load, Gavin? Double the load. Why? They're not dying in Germany, where are they getting half the load? They're not dying in Denmark. Polio is not an outbreak in Denmark. Haven't read about that, haven't heard about smallpox returning. This is all changing. Doctors, and scientists like Peter McCullough and Robert Malone are marching and stepping forward and saying, yeah, I would not touch this program with my kids. Get away. We never did the science. It's time for the

science. This is what we're all about. And if you want to help spread the message, get your AIS cards. This is, you know, just go if you're watching, you can go to Incommenance study.com. Really, just buy a pack of these cards. This is a game changer. It makes it so easy for you to help spread the message. Just walk up to pregnant mom that's out there or family and just say, hey, have you ever, like, are you possibly, like, thinking about vaccines or questioning? Here is a movie, I think, that really moved me. It's a study that's, I think, really important, very compelling. Check it out. Good luck.

Take care. We're changing the world. The message is spreading. Every single day, we are moving the needle. You're a part of that every time you watch. You're a part of that every time you share. You're definitely part of that if you're helping sponsor and donate to the work that we're doing. Thank you for being you.

Thank you for being a warrior of conscience. And I'll see you next week.