The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 473: THE MISSING PIECE: GLYPHOSATE, AUTISM & THE FIGHT FOR INFORMED CONSENT

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

Today on The HighWire, a Long Island family is battling Nassau University Medical Center to save their 23-year-old son, Tony Gestone Jr., after a devastating car accident. Tony’s parents and their attorney join Del live from the hospital room.Then, we break down a major announcement from the U.S. military ending the flu shot mandate.Also, a new study is raising serious questions about the effectiveness of blockbuster Alzheimer’s drugs, challenging whether billions of dollars in treatments are providing meaningful benefits to patients and families.Finally, Del sits down in the studio with Dr. William Shaw, founder of one of America’s most prominent diagnostic laboratories in the world. Shaw reveals shocking new discoveries linking autism to the most ubiquitous pesticide affecting our gut biome.Plus, Zen Honeycutt of Moms Across America joins ahead of The People vs. Poison Rally, Sunday, April 27th.Guests: Angel & Tony Gestone, Dr. William Shaw, Zen HoneycuttAirdate: April 23, 2026Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Good morning, good afternoon. Good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time for us all to step out under the high wire. True story. Some of you have heard this, but I don't think I've ever shared on the high wire. Many years ago, when I was traveling the country with Vax, we were in a really big theater. And the film had screened and after every screening I was doing Q&As. We did that for an entire year. I've talked a lot about that. But this guy came up to me in a suit, you know, looked really, you know, very conservative.

He said to me, I work with the CIA. And he said, you see those two guys across the room over there that are also in suits? That's the FBI. I just want to let you know we're following, you're tracking, you were watching everything you're doing with this film. And he said, you know, the truth is, is a lot of us actually like the work that you're doing here. and we think it's important. But I do want to just give you one warning. Don't ever talk about military vaccines.

You're gonna be fine, as long as you just discussed the childhood vaccine program and this autism thing that your film's about, but just stay away from military vaccines. And then he just walked off. Now the truth is, is he could have been any lunatic dressed in a suit. I have no idea of knowing, and I tend to just say,

you know, I don't know, and I chalk it up to just weird, you know, circumstances. But it's always in the back of my head, you know. Was he real? Was I really being tracked? Were they really, you know, following Vax and what it meant? So as that sits in the back of your head, it's things like that that make moments like this so precious. Take a look. Under the disastrous Biden administration, this Pentagon waged an unrelenting war on our warriors on many fronts, including when it came to denying them, simple medical autonomy, and the freedom to express their religious convictions. In other words, our men and women in uniform were forced to

choose between their conscience and their country. Even when those decisions posed no threat to our military readiness, you know what I'm talking about, what happened COVID-19 and the vaccine. No more. That era of betrayal is over. Under President Trump, the War Department continues to take decisive action to once again restore freedom and strength to our joint force. We're seizing this moment to discard any absurd, overreaching mandates that only weaken our warfighting capabilities. In this case, this includes the universal flu vaccine and the mandate behind it. The notion that a flu vaccine must be mandatory for every service member everywhere in every circumstance at all times is just overly broad and not rational.

Our new policy is simple. If you, an American warrior, entrusted to defend this nation, believe that the flu vaccine is in your best interest, then you are free to take it. You shouldn't. But we will not force you because your body, your faith, and your convictions are not negotiable, your health. It's common sense. It's the kind of common sense approach we're undertaking in this department. Rest assured that under President Trump, the war department will always honor our brave warriors and do everything we can. to restore the American people's trust in their military for generations to come. And that's why I'm proud to sign this new policy. Well, as many of you know, I can, and those of you that sponsor the work that we do here, we brought several lawsuits on behalf of the military who were getting kicked out of the military, not having their religious exemptions recognized during COVID. And Aaron Siri, of course, led that charge. We've had amazing testimony.

We've talked to some of the best and brightest of our military who were able to keep working, to keep defending this nation because of the work that we did with ICANN. And really, I want to thank all of you that are sponsors to our work. But I think this is a gigantic milestone. The military has always been just a totally, it's seen as different. Their bodies are owned by the government. They don't have the same rights. They don't necessarily get informed consent the way we should all have.

it as citizens in the United States of America who did not sign up and hand our bodies to the military. But to see this step, I think, is really spectacular. Of course, it's the flu shot. I'm sure there's many in the military when I hear what it feels like, you know, after you, you know, you get the anthrax shot. I think they would have loved or heard the anthrax shot thrown in there. I hope this is just an opening of a door and we're going to start seeing informed consent, the right to make your own personal decisions for your body. I mean, look at, You're rushing into harm's way. You're charging bunkers.

You're, you know, taking bullets to fight for freedom. I think you should be allowed whether you want a needle or not or whether you think that even works. Why can't that be a part of the decision making? I will charge that bunker. I just don't want vaccines before I do it. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. And it's great to see Pete Hexeth making that choice. And I think this was one of the biggest announcements certainly we've seen in the vaccine space

that didn't involve our HHS secretary, Robert Kennedy, Jr. your butt, I have a sneaky suspicion. These guys get a long pretty good and probably, I don't know, probably sat in a couple sonnas and chatted. You have to imagine Pete's, you know, while doing pull-ups and competing next to each other saying, hey, Bobby, what's this vaccine thing all about anyway? They seem to be really chummy. And I would imagine that this relationship, as others, we're seeing changes in the USDA. We're seeing the EPA, you know, get involved in certain issues that we care about. the microplastics and investigations. Robert Kennedy Jr. is affecting a lot of different departments around him.

I think we need to be excited about that. We need to celebrate that because it also shows, you know, even in the places where he may not, they're not in his jurisdiction, he is still making change up there in Washington, D.C. So good on you, Robert Kennedy, Jr. Definitely good on you, Pete Heggseth. I think this is a huge step forward for the military. I hope we see more in the coming days, months. and years, I think, of all the people that deserve the right to freedom, it's the ones that are

fighting for freedom. And especially when it comes to, you know, your religious rights, if you do not want the aborted field DNA or things like that that involves in vaccines, certainly that should be a part of your conviction. You should be allowed to stand in that. Well, speaking of religious rights, conviction, informed consent, we were just made aware two days ago of a story that's really breaking. It's a terrible story that is being seen right now in the headlines up on the East Coast, Long Island family fighting N-U-M-C to prevent tests that could declare crash victim legally dead. It goes on, judge stops brain tests, Farmingdale mom wins order to keep son on life support. What is this all about? This is about a young man who's been in a car accident and

is fighting for his life right now. You would think, when you're fighting for your life that your parents are able to step in on your behalf and make some of the decisions for you. That has been made incredibly difficult in the situation. I'm joined by Tony's parents now, Tony and Angel. I want to thank you for joining us today. Thank you. I know this must be a very difficult time, but when did the accident occur? Let's just quickly find out what puts us in the moment that we're in right now. When was this accident? April night, around 11 a.m., correct? Yeah. And was there alcohol involved? What was this situation? Do we have, you know, understanding of the accident itself? He was driving towards the gym,

a few minutes away from our house, and I guess the police reconstructed his, uh, the accident and said he swerved, hit something, and that sent his truck flying through the air, and it came down on the other side of the median, on the north-out side of the road, and he crashed into a tree. So when I got that alert, I flew there, and it was bad. He was in the ambulance. They wouldn't let me see him. They told me that he was breathing. And I raced to the hospital where they stuck me in a room, and I had to wait with family members for a little over an hour

to find out what was going on with him. I called his dad, who's in Minnesota, and he jumped right on the next plane, and he got here. And this has just been terrible. I spoke to the police several times, and they really didn't know a lot. They knew that he wasn't speeding. I guess they could tell from the car. And, you know, a lot of us, we think maybe he passed out.

He, like, fell asleep, maybe, like, blood sugar or anything. We didn't know exactly what we had to get. We really don't know what happened. And the injury, what injuries did he sustain? Did he need surgery? What was the, you know, there had to be some immediate decisions you had to make? Take me through. that part of it went through the windshield so it his skull cracked and the surgeon came in and said

we need to do a surgery like immediately he's not going to make it your son is going to die but i'm just letting you know we're taking him in there and he's going to die he told me that three times and said that it was the it's just like the titanic it's a sinking ship and there's something that we could do so i said you you need to fight like don't go in there thinking that like you need to go in there and save save my son he's like I know I'm just I'm just letting you know what the outcome could be and Tony he he made it through that surgery and that was a miracle in itself because everybody was thinking the worst and then Can you talk please? Sure I didn't get there till nighttime because I had to catch a flight and when I got there

I spoke to a lot of doctors and pretty much you know they were letting you know it's very confusing situation because you're hearing one side from the doctors where they're telling you you know he has zero percent chance and that he's you know he's not gonna recover and you need to you know you need to give him a confirmation test to see we like we know he's brain dead you know we just have to legally prove it you know but it was all so fast you know we didn't have a lot of time to really like even digest that and we were trying to you know research ourselves you know because this is our

kid, you know, what are we going to do? We have to make the best decision possible. And it was tough. So, you know, we ended up buying two days, right? We got extra time, but like, if you're a baseball player and you break your arm, they're not expecting you to play baseball three days later. Right. Like, all his trauma was, like, in this area and the test that they wanted to do, it's not 100% accurate, and it's all in this area. So I just, he needs time to heal. Like Tommy needs time to heal. I think the main thing too is that, you know, I was told that once they get, because I asked him, because I've never been in the situation before in my life. So I asked him, I said, well, what happens if he's getting this test and you confirm that he's brain dead?

And they're like, well, we're going to come over and we're going to shut the meds off. And he'll probably survive maybe 15 minutes to an hour. And then you should think about, you know, whether or not, you know, what you're going to do next. And all that was just like a blind side. So this test essentially triggers their right to just pull the plug on your son. If it comes out the way they think where it says whether it's accurate, how accurate is or not, they use this test to decide and then really you're left out without any choices now and they're just going to move on and you're trying to buy a little time.

Is that an accurate idea of you'd like to have some time to heal? you would like to, you know, see. Now, I was curious, have there any been discussions about organ donation or anything like that? Because I know that oftentimes plays into these conversations. Has that come up at all as a conversation? Yes, a few doctors in the days after the day of surgery was asked, what do you think about organ donations? And then one of his other doctors came up to us the other day.

said, I guess, whatever medicine that he was getting, it's not going the right way, so you start thinking about organ donation. And then very quick, like, she just walked away right after she said that. It was a little shocking. It was a little cold. Now, in your, in your, I know that, you know, we've heard, you feel like there's some positive signs that show that there may be brain function there that you would like to be recognized.

What are some of those signs that you're seeing? And I know that you really haven't left the hospital. throughout this time. So I just want to thank you for taking the time. You must be exhausted. But what are some of the signs you think are showing that, you know, Tony, you know, might still be in there and should be given a chance? It's very hard because you're, I'm holding my son's hand.

I'm talking to him. He's grabbing my hand. He pushed my hand down. He was, yeah, he was like almost like it's not like Morse code. He was like trying to talk to me. I was talking to him and then, you know, we were touching his feet and making his legs move and stuff like that, but then they would come in and say, you know, it's just a spine and, you know, it's hard. You know, the other night his whole stomach moved like he was his shoulder, like he looked like he was readjusting himself.

He did it two times, but they were just saying that, nope, that's not brain activity. That's just his spine. But he had a lot of damage, and he definitely needs to recover from it. It's not like, you know. But he's reacting to pain. Well, it did look. What I think is so shocked about the story, you're the parents, it should be your decision. If you want to have some more time, I don't see what the rush is.

There are plenty of other people that are given ridiculous amounts of time. We take giant risks in medicine. In this case, you're just saying, give us a little time. And in fact, you had to bring in an attorney. That's why we know about this. One of your friends is an attorney at the law firm. We use Syrian Glimstad. But you had to bring a temporary restraining order.

Is that right in order to get them to stop doing this test that will trigger, you know, them to move in a direction that you may not want them to move? Is that correct? Yes, they came in and they said everybody get out of the room and they're taking him up and I said we have a court order signed by the judge. We need to get a supervisor. And he was like, nope, sorry, administration said that we're taking him. So you need to get out of the way now and there was security, doctors, nurses. But like, there was a ton of people coming to his job. Yeah, they just took him down stairs.

It was terrible. Even after you had won the TRO, they were rushing him off to do this procedure. Yes. Like, I didn't have the physical piece of paper in my hand. It was on my phone, and I was showing it to them, and they just, they did not care. And they took him. They just, they took him. Everybody started crying and started praying, and it was, I was really scared.

Like I thought that was it. And I don't even know how long, maybe 25 minutes later, somebody, one of the doctors came up and said that they terminate the test. And that right there was another miracle. Like, everybody just keeps praying. You keep saying, you know, prayer and miracles. Just tell me about your spiritual thoughts on this or your religious. You believe your religious beliefs should play a part in this conversation?

Yes, like I like we're Christian like I believe God can heal Tony He just he needs time for healing God keeps showing us different things every day like he keeps us going He's beating the odds you know every time they say one thing he beats it so It's just if like I know Tony's seriously injured like I I'm not like I see him we're here every day. We don't leave But it's it's up to God and Tony like if it if it's his time to go he used to be on him and my God, not a doctor just saying like we're doing this test and here you go. Like we're pulling the pug. We're killing your son because of this test.

That's not 100% accurate. Like that's not that's not right. Is there any history of this in that area of people that have tried to pull the plug or that hospital and maybe have made the wrong decision? Have you heard or seen these stories like that? I feel like everybody keeps sending me different things. I don't know if Jessica's on the line. I feel like everybody's sending us different articles, but I'm not 100%. There's a lot.

And we're all tired. So we're hearing a million stories and trying to, you know, listen to everybody. Well, we had somebody come in yesterday. Yeah, it was in a similar situation. She saw the article Newsday, and she came down with her son. And she was here 10 years ago. And she wanted us to meet her son and how he recovered from a similar situation and that now he was okay It was a long road, but you know, they made it through and he was walking talking

He gave us hugs. He was talking to Tony It was he was a miracle and like we needed to see that because like we keep Fighting and and the doctors are just like there's your chance like keep believing but We don't know about miracles, but miracles happen every day like I just I I agree. All right, well, let me bring in your attorney, Jessica Wallace, who joins us now, just to give us an idea. Hi, Jessica. Thanks for joining us today. Obviously, this is a very emotional story. But when you got involved, I think it's crazy that you have to bring in an attorney just to give your child some time under a circumstance like this. But tell me, in interacting with the hospital,

Has there, you know, have you appreciated how they're handling the situation from a legal perspective? Hi, Del. I mean, legally, there's a lot of different challenges here, and I think it all revolves around the death, you know, what the physicians can use and what the guidelines say in terms of brain death and how they, you know, diagnose brain death. So I think that's where the controversy, you know, comes in in this case. It's also, you know, there's religious accommodation. for people, but there's a, there's an argument over what, you know, when that accommodation should kick in. Is it before the brain death diagnosis? Is it after the brain death diagnosis? So, um, is there anything as far as treatment that, um, there's a thought that could be done better prior to this brain did? Are they treating him differently than they should be under the circumstances? Do you think their perspective is changing the treatments that they're doing right now? If they believed he could live, are there things that they could be doing differently, I guess is my question.

So there's the court order, the stipulated order, says that the parties have agreed, that there's no predetermination that Tony is brain dead. But from what I've heard from Angel and Tony about the things that they're being told at the hospital when they're asking for certain treatments to be done, that would be like a next step. It does appear that the hospital is, you know, has, has, is acting in that manner, I guess. So they've agreed that they're not predetermining it, but at the same time, I mean, I think that's probably something that Angel and Tony could comment on, like, what they're being told about the next steps. I don't, you know, about what they're being told about the next steps and how they would do it differently if he was, if he took the test and passed it versus now. Now, I know as part of, you know, you must have had to at least submit in court that there's something.

things that are happening that you feel like shows that the brain is still communicating inside the body? What were some of the things you listed on that as you discussed this conversation? The main thing that kicked off the TRO was that the parents ended up consulting with an outside expert who in this area of brain death. He's had several cases and he's helped a lot of people. And he had asked us if, if, and they asked the family, as you said, I'm friends with the Angels since So I have a little bit of personal knowledge here too. And the expert, you know, asked if he was getting nutrition and asked about certain lab values. And so when the family then asked about whether he was getting nutrition, they found out he wasn't.

And so that's what started the whole. Yeah, that's what started the whole TRO was to find out that you're, what, seven, eight days in. And this is about day five or six, I think. And there was no nutrition started for him. So now you have this kid who's got a major, major brain injury or, you know, brain trauma, let's just say. And you're giving him trying to see what progress he's going to make, but then not giving him time to heal. Or I mean, sorry, then not giving him the nutrition. So that, you know, then they felt, well, you're not even giving him a chance.

Even with the way that the family has explained his means, even with the biggest miracle that God, you know, can do. You can't do it when you're not giving your body the nutrients that our bodies are meant to have. Sure. From God. So that's what started that. But then there were signs. I mean, a dead body does not, you know, regulated so in blood pressure or does not have a beating heart. You know, a dead body doesn't input and output urine.

Like it does. So there's, I think the, there's a, there's a line line in the day. I'm sorry. No, go ahead. No. No, please. Tell me what your experience has been. He's alive. He's laying in the hospital bed. Like, he's there. His heart is beating. I feel his heart breathing.

Like, his chest is rising. Like, he's going to the bathroom. Like, you can't be dead and doing those things. Like, nothing is, he doesn't have a pacemaker for his heart to be beating. His heart is beating. Like, I just, I'm sorry. So you're really, I mean, let's be honest. You're asking the doctors, can we just put aside? I get it. You see a lot of death in here. That's their experience.

But could we all just like give space for a miracle right now? Could you just be with us in the possibility and not rush into trying to prove his brain dead? You just want some time, right? Is that really? And then what about a second opinion? Is there any way, Jessica, for them to get a second opinion? Can they get to another hospital? What's happening on that front?

That's the goal. The goal, I mean, we do have an independent neurologist that's going to be. coming in to do an examination, but honestly the goal is to get out of, I think is to have him transferred. And where, you know, there's some challenges that we're facing in that aspect just because of the procedures that need to happen. You know, when you initiate a transfer, there's questions over, is it the hospital that has to initiate, the family that has to initiate, you know, so she's, the family's been getting some conflicting information on that end. So we're working on that. The story I was told about the lady

from Angel, actually it would probably be better for her to tell it, but the lady had a very incredible story. The woman who came to the hospital room yesterday to see them whose son was hospitalized there with a similar injury. Yeah. That's how they got, how they ended up getting out of that situation. So they were facing a similar situation where the hospital was trying to also pull the plug or

just moved them into a death position? Yes. And they didn't. They didn't want him to leave, and she ended up having to find an outside doctor to admit him into another hospital and sign a piece of paper against the hospital, like, I guess their medical advice or whatever, and they got their own transportation to move him to another hospital, where he was there in a coma for, I think, maybe six months, and then he went, I think, upstate to another hospital as like a rehab type. facility. Well, look, I know you've been... He was lucky. He was lucky. I know you've been through a lot. I don't really want to, you know, drag this out too much longer.

I really just want to bring some attention to it. What is it that we have a pretty large audience right now? What is it that we could do to help? We have medical professionals that are watching this. Obviously, we have a very inspired group of activists that, you know, step of help. So how can we help you in this moment for what is... nonprofit's called the informed consent action network we're all about informed consent you should be informed you should have the right to make the choices right

now for your son so what is there anything we can do to help you right now is there any doctors that would come look at Tony and maybe transfer them to their hospital to care for him like I I don't it would be nice to hear other people's stories also if someone's has gone through a similar thing I think yesterday was great I really needed to hear that story. So if anybody wants to come forward and tell us that story or any other, you know, doctors, neurologist, anyone who wants to step forward and try to see exactly what's going on, I mean, we need that. And we need that fast, I think.

All right. So if you have any of this information, if you are a medical professional out there in the Long Island area, anywhere near that might be able to get involved or help move Tony to your own. hospital where maybe we can get a different look. Please send, reach out to guest own help at Siri l-lp.com. And I understand you also have a GoFundMe page for anyone I'm sure you know these things get very expensive. They're looking to raise $150,000 to get help in this matter. So if you want to donate there is the GoFundMe me. You can take a picture of that QR code. And

You know, I just want you all to know that our prayers are with you. We'll do everything we can to see if we can't get some medical experts involved and certainly. And I also want to say if you're out there and this story moves you. And, you know, we all have, you know, what I think the reason we want to cover this is because this happens to so many people and it's the first time we've ever seen anything like it. We're not prepared for these moments. but if this is a moment that moves you and you feel like this hospital isn't acting correctly, I think it would be a good time to reach out to that hospital.

And why don't you send an email or a phone number? I've got a phone number here. So you can just reach out and say, hey, you know, I support Angel and Tony Gastone. I think that their son deserves the right to have a little bit of time to heal. Miracles happen every single day. There's the number 516-517-0-1-2-3. Be polite.

I don't want to, you know, I don't want to be attack in the hospital. These, I'm sure, are exhausted good people that I think are probably a little bit, you know, calloused when it comes to issues like this. But I'm sure it would help for people to reach out and just say, look, I saw this story. It doesn't look good for your hospital. Why don't you do what's right? So look, we're here. We're in your corner. Definitely keep us posted on progress.

will be praying for a full recovery and I'd really love to see this situation get easier for you where you're not having to, you know, stake out inside of this hospital and not leave because you're afraid of what they might do. That is not how hospitals should work. That is not health care. There's no care in it whatsoever. So I want to thank you for taking the time sharing your story. It's important for all of us because, God forbid, there are people going to be watching this show that will find themselves in a similar situation like this. point. So all the best, you're in our prayers. Thank you very much. All right, you're welcome. Take care. All right. Well, we have really, I think, a bucket list type interview. I've got

William Shaw coming up. You probably haven't heard of this guy. Really, before there was Andy Wadefield, this guy was seeing that there was something in the gut, dysbiosis, the intestines, and the stomachs and digestion that seemed to be linked to autism. but now he can look at a urine sample, not even know who the patient is and say, I am looking at the urine of someone with autism. And glyphosate is going to play into this conversation, which is really huge, because later on the show I'm going to talk to Zen Honeycutt, who has been fighting with moms across America to get the pesticides,

the herbicides off of our food. Of course, she's going to be marching with us this Monday at People v. Poison. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. it always amazes me these stories where these hospitals, it just feels like they're playing God, Jeffrey. I mean, whether they're dragging a baby from another state to forcibly give them chemo and risk their lives in the process or a situation like this, can we give them a month? You allowed four weeks to say, can you just let us pray for a miracle right here? I don't know. I don't work in a hospital, but that seems reasonable. And instead, this race to get there.

And I'm sorry, but I do question this whole giant market we see in organ donation, young guy, healthy organs. You just wonder, you know, if that plays into the math, if you will, when it comes to these situations. But anyway, either way, it's an important story, and it's something we should all be considering. What do we think about? Stories like that. Yeah, incredibly, incredibly important story. you know, the for-profit hospital model over the last 40 years has only grown

and they've become so powerful. You have to wonder if that factors into this conversation. Yeah. And it's great that we have lawyers and medical journalists that will tell this story and get it out there. Preparing for the segment today, I feel like this is one of the most important shows that we've ever done.

And I find myself thinking that more and more lately just because the information is so important and powerful. And it's nice to see other journalists made the mainstream journalist, corporate journalists, jumping on the bandwagon of conversations that we've been reporting on for several years now. One of them is Katie Couric. You may have known her from ABC News, CBS News. She's had a major career throughout a lot of the major media organizations. She now has her own outlet, and she was recently speaking, and something stumped her. She couldn't figure out why something was happening. Take a look.

All right. I had coffee with an oncology fellow about two months ago, and she said, I had a very rough day. I just had to tell a 21-year-old college student with no family history that he had stage four colorectal cancer. And I am hearing more and more about people in their early 40s, 30s, even 20s being diagnosed with this disease at an advanced stage, often metastatic colorectal cancer. I can't even tell you guys how crushing it is.

And of course, I'm excited about trying to figure out why this is how how it's. You know, epidemiological studies are so hard to conduct, but there is something going on in our environment. It's not just obesity or a sedentary lifestyle. You know, it's a confluence of things that include ultra-processed food, maybe microplastic, forever chemicals, over prescription of antibiotics. I don't know what is happening, but something is going on, and there are 17 cancers. 17 cancers are increasing among people under 50. people under 50. So what the

f is going on? Indeed, the same question we've been asking what the F is going on, Katie. I just, but as she gives that laundry list, forever, chemicals, plastics, you know, antibiotics, and it just feels

like she's missing a category, right? I mean, when I watched this, as soon as I saw this, it's like, there's another category. And in fact, all the things you just listed have been going on here for like 40 years. So that wouldn't explain a sudden rise, but something did happen over the last couple of years, just very recently, that might actually, or should be, I think, a part of her investigation.

Right, Jeffrey? Yeah, almost like there's an elephant somewhere in that room. Exactly. Your room behind you. It's just a second ago. Yeah, there's a big elephant here, and it's that, you know, experimental shot that was forced on the world's population over the last five years. years. And Katie, I know Katie can do basic research and read basic medical journals, so I want to throw some tips her way, some slow pitch softball here. There are other things besides microplastics and ultra-processed foods. Let's look at this study out of Italy. Let's go through a couple here. This was a study that looked at patients in a province, Pescara province, from June 21st, about six months after the first vaccination to December 2023. And

they found a 23% increase in overall cancers for people that had one or more COVID. They found 54% increase in breast cancer for people that had one or more COVID shots, increases in bladder cancer, increases in colon rectal cancer with the shots. That's just one. Here's another one. We have studies here. This is 2026 from a journal called Onka Target. COVID-19 vaccination and post-infection cancer signals evaluating patterns and potential biological

mechanisms. So these are just theories or population studies. It's happening enough where researchers are actually figuring out biological mechanisms how the COVID shots cause cancer. And here's one, a final one here from Peter McCullough, Stephanie Seneff, and other co-authors, autoimmune and neoplastic outcomes after MRI vaccination, the role of T regulatory cell responses. Remember, there's evidence that these COVID shots downregulate the immune system, the radar in your body that shows cancer and actually tries to get the cancer before it, it races to something that is life-threatening.

In some amount of people, we don't know how many, it shuts that down. It down-regulates that. and we have biological mechanisms now. So I know Katie is a good researcher. She's a journalist. Maybe she can look at this as well. And a lot of people out there, a lot of the public, is wondering where are our federal agencies? The CDC has not updated its dashboard to look at new cancers since 2022. Wow.

Here's the image here, this cancer tracker. Rates of new cancers, the latest numbers are 2022. And even when they do update it, what's it going to be? 20, 23? I mean, we're talking four years old now. Kind of important because this informs research, drug development. Honestly, how hard is that? How hard is that to monitor, right? I mean, that is data you know every hospital has. You know, by the way, while you're trying to rush and, you know, kick Tony out of your hospital and pull the plug on him, while you put a little time into just forwarding your cancer research to CDC and let us know how many patients you had this year,

And this can't be difficult to track this stuff. We're supposed to be the greatest nation in the world. We're supposed to have something called a computer, right? Doesn't that do this now? I mean, come on. It's so ridiculous. I don't know about you, Del, but I remember sitting through a pandemic recently where they gave us daily case counts of deaths and cases for the COVID pandemic. You're telling me four years of a lag on cancer cases.

But, you know, we're talking about a massive market share of big pharma. products here what's another market share that Katie specifically left out which the science is all but settled is really can be settled at this point with pesticides here's just a smattering of headlines cancer is a statewide problem in Ohio including the pesticide heavy northwest corner another one Iowa cancer rates surge farm chemicals are a key risk here's one more why are young people getting colon cancer a common weed killer maybe linked scientists say I mean this is why we're doing the people versus poison rally I

I said last week, I have been reporting on glyphosate since like 2015. So Katie, we have a march that's happening, a great point. You can make, in fact, I know we can find a spot for you on a microphone in front of the Supreme Court. I hope you will join us at the People v. Poison rally. Remember, this is already winning in courtrooms. Billions of dollars have already been paid out because this product is causing cancer for people. It's on 90% of the crops that we eat, or at least 80%, depending on what you look at. So, Katie, it would be a great place to start.

Why don't you join us in Washington, D.C. on Monday for people versus poison. Let's do this investigation together. I mean, let's really put these things on the table. And, Del, I want to switch gears here for a second. And we've alerted people a lot on this. There's a lot of conversation of how many cancers are out there. People I know in their families are experiencing this in their communities. But I want to show a study that slipped through the cracks.

It's a somewhat recent study, and I want to present this. Is it possible that researchers have found a cure to cancer? I'll let the audience decide on this. Here is this actual study, and it's found in a very interesting place. Discovery and characterization of antitumor gut microbiota from amphibians and reptiles. The key gut bacteria here is Ewangela Americana, and it goes in to say, this, the researchers say the mechanistic investigations revealed that e-americana, that's the gut bacteria from reptiles, functions through a dual action mechanism, direct tumor cell killing,

and robust activation of host immunity, leading to enhanced T-cell, neutrophilin, B-cell-mediated tumor attacks. So it's a two-shot deal there. But it goes on to say this. Importantly, the safety evaluations of this when they use it in the treatment, this was a mouse study, They said it exhibits minimal path in agicity and exerts no significant adverse effects at therapeutically effective doses. This is huge because we all know chemotherapy what that does. But then it does something even further. The researchers write this. They give these rats, the cancer, they treat it with the gut bacteria, it goes away.

But then the tumor rechallenged, they rechallenged these mice that lived with the same tumors. Rechalleng experiments demonstrate a complete tumor rejection in all, E-Americanacured mice. Zero of 10 developed tumors versus uniform tumor growth and naive controls 10 for 10, providing evidence of durable anti-tumor immunity with immunological memory persisting beyond 60 days. So the body remembers. And I want to show some images from this study. These are really, they tell the story.

So starting at the bottom, you see the mouse has the tumor. PBS is the control. That's a saline, phosphate buffered saline. It's the saline. That doesn't seem to be doing much. You can see the tumor grows. It's brutal. Oh, yeah.

And the mouse doesn't apparently make it past day 15. Now, the one above that is an antibody. That's anti-PDL1. You can see it's a tumor shrunk, but not enough. Then docks. Docs is doxorubicon. This is nicknamed the Red Devil. This is this stuff.

This chemotherapy that makes your hair fall out. It's brutal. It's brutal. And you can see it doesn't do much there. Side effects are horrific. And then E. Americana at the top, that's the best. bacteria, go on day 15. But then another chart from another image from this study, you can see the

days after tumor implantation and the survival rate, that red line across the top, 100% survival rate with the gut bacteria at Eamericana. And you can see the black line is the placebo. You can see straight down, you got about 30 days survival rate. And then the rest of them, you have the docks, you have the antibodies, you're looking at about 20 to 40% survival rate there, not very good. This is a massive, massive study that I haven't seen many people report on, but I mean, the hope here is incredible. Really exciting. If this thing can get streamlined, if they can do bigger studies. Yeah, I'm about the thing when I get done here, I'm going to call Ed Clay and say, are you guys on this?

I mean, of course, we interviewed him. He's got that hospital where they're trying all sorts of stuff. And you know, he said exactly that, right? When he was on here just a few weeks ago, he said, I believe in a very short period of time, we are going to see that we're going to be able to start beating these solid cancer tumors. This certainly looks like a very, very promising thing to look into. And you're right. Again, when we think about risk reward and risk profile, safety profiles,

you're up against chemo, right? If chemo is the standard of care and you ran this, I mean, what kind of risk we talk about? It sounds like it has some real benefits. Obviously, it's just a mouse model. We don't want to get over the tips of our skis. But boy, you just feel. like if the focus of NIH, CDC, FDA, really our hospital system, a pharma was just, let's just

keep, let's just stay open-minded. Let's keep trying things instead of locking ourselves in and digging our heels in, science and medicine could just advance, you know, so fast right now. And there's, there is a lot of hope. And I want to go into another, you know, how are you frame this, another dysfunction of the body or scourge on society, regardless. A lot of people, people are affected, that's Alzheimer's, dementia, cognitive impairment. And we know the actual model that's been directing medicine for over a decade now is the amyloid beta model. So that's basically, there's these tangles that get caught up in the brain around the nerves

that really just interrupt the nerve signals, and then you have Alzheimer's, you have dementia, and the brain just circums and is overcome. Well, we reported on this when it happened, but that model was based on a paper that looked like it was based on fraud. This was ScienceMag, Science.org, and this is the actual headline potential fabrication and research images threatens key theory of Alzheimer's disease. It goes on to say hundreds of clinical trials of amyloid target therapies have yielded few glimmers of promise. However, only the underwhelming adjahelm has gained FDA approval, yet amyloid beta still dominates research and drug development. NIH has spent 1.6 billion on the projects.

And then it goes on to say scientists who advance other potential Alzheimer's causes such as immune dysfunction or inflammation complain they have been sidelined by the amyloid mafia. So you have this one dominating theory. This isn't science. You have one dominating theory. You have a mafia around it so they can make maximum amount of profits. And everybody else is pushed out. They don't get funding for their theories.

And you have drug competition like this, Adjahelm, which the FDA panel that was slammed. This is Biogen's controversial Alzheimer's Med. The FDA panel slammed. this is an independent panel, kind of like ASIP, the FDA approved it anyway, and it caused three FDA advisors to resign over its approval. That's New York Times when it happened, because it was so underwhelming. But now we have kind of the nail, really the nail in the coffin here on Amel ABA Beta Alzheimer's Therapies. This is out of the telegraph. Here's the headline, Alzheimer's Wonder drugs do not work. Treatment targeting amyloid protein provide no clinical benefit.

This is from the Cochran Report. This is the study. will go actually to this study here and look at this, and they're looking at these drugs, and we go into the quote, it says anti-ameloid monoclonal antibodies probably cause more brain swelling in tiny microbleeds than placebo. I mean, it's over right there, but then they go on to say this, successful removal of amyloid from the brain does not seem to be associated with clinically meaningful effects in people with mild cognitive impairment or mild dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. This conversation's over. The book is closed. We need to start. looking at other things to help people with Alzheimer's. This is a massive issue in America right now.

And researchers are doing this. Just like the cancer study we just showed, there's other studies with Alzheimer's patients and myocognitive impairment that have kind of gone under the radar. One of them was in 2022 and it looked at this, precision medicine as a treatment. What is precision medicine? Well, we'll go into the study and show you. So 25 patients with dementia or mild cognitive impairment were enrolled in this study, and the researchers say this, patients were treated for nine months with a personalized precision medicine protocol that addressed each patient's identified potentially contributory factors,

and cognition was assessed at 0,3, 6, and 9 months. Now, what did they do? It says the goal was to identify and address the factors associated theoretically and epidemiologically, though in some cases, the researchers said, yet to be proven causally with Alzheimer's disease. They looked at restoring insulin sensitivity, They looked at the cholesterol, resolving inflammation.

If it was present, removing the causes of inflammation, they treated pathogens. They optimized energetic support like oxygenation, cerebral blood flow, ketones. They looked at their mitochondrial function. I'm going to keep going here. Hormones, nutrients, atropic factors, treated their autoimmunity if they had anything detoxified if they had toxins like heavy metals and things like that. Now let's look at the chart here from the study. You can see at the baseline, you had about 38 percent, almost 40 percent.

percent of people. This was a, this was the CNS vital signs. This was a well-known test for people with cognitive impairment. And you can see about 38 percent there on that first baseline. That was the mean right in the middle. But by nine months, every one, every time they checked in three, six, and nine months, it improved. And it kept improving up to nine months with these people. And you'll read this study and it's comprehensive what they did. We took a novel approach. Why do we just make these people healthy? again. Why don't we just forget about the dementia exactly directly and just say, do you have some autoimmune diseases we can clear up? Can we get a better diet going? Can we get you

exercises? Can we get inflammation down your body? Something, by the way, almost every holistic practitioner in the world is doing for people and, you know, and they would be laughed out of the room if they said, I'm actually having a lot of success just making my patients healthy, right? I mean, instead, but it couldn't possibly be a pill that's fighting. something that was a fraud to begin with. And detractors will look at this study and say, oh, well, that is so intensive with practitioners. You're talking nutrients, DNA analysis, all of these, they're multi-factorial practitioners that had to help one patient.

But you add it all up, and it's cheaper than assisted living. It's cheaper than the actual anti-ameloid medication for a year. It's 20 to 30,000. You had the diagnostic test, MRIs for that. How about the 1.6 billion, the NIH just spent funding. a baloney, you know, perspective. I mean, why don't we just put that into the system? Put that back into the system. Yeah. Exactly. And also nine months. Detractors will say, well, that's only nine months. We're talking, well, fortunately, other researchers took this protocol out longer,

over a decade. And this is what they found. Here's the study. Sustained cognitive improvement in Alzheimer's disease patients following precision medicine protocol. And let's go right to the chart here. You can see they have a handful of patients here on the left side are their ages, their sex, male, female, all their symptoms. And you can see the highlighted area. Here is the time they improved. They improved for this long, seven plus years, 10 plus years, 11 plus years. And what's interesting about this chart is they had, some of them had what's called secondary decline.

So they improved for all those years, but they had a decline. Why? Well, because most of them, the ones that did have a decline stopped the protocol. So they had, once they started their poll recall back up, they had secondary improvement. They went right back to it. Wow. And so these, this is massive evidence, especially with this administration. Precision medicine is definitely on the front burner.

This could be plugged in right now. This could be reimbursed by healthcare agencies, by Medicare, Medicaid. This is a solution. I want to bring one point too, Jeffrey. When you hear about dimension, things like this, you know what I always hear is, you know, we have a new treatment. The best we can do is slow it down, but there's no reversing it, right? You hear that over. So can we bring that last slide back up? Because I just want to point out something really fascinating here. Time improved. They improved for seven years, 10 years, six years,

11 years. When did you ever hear that was even possible? I mean, right there, we have been told that is not possible. The best you can do is slow the direction you were already heading in. It's a snowball. You can slow down how quickly it goes down this hill, but there's no reversing that. That document right there tells us there's a different way. I guess we could call it a miracle. Maybe it's a miracle. But whatever the case, I think for all of you, we're all looking at this, right? We have it in family members. I think this is a real sign of hope, Jeffrey, that maybe going to a doctor and packing our relatives full of drugs, which we can tell is not working. I would say, why don't you go to a functional medicine doctor, get to a doctor.

probably a homeopath or a nutritionalist, start working to get all those other, is what they're doing, right? Get all those other symptoms out of the way. I've heard the same thing about some of the doctors we've had treating long COVID, right? Instead of looking at it as one single thing, just treat each symptom. If you have inflammation, let's reduce the inflammation. You know, if you're having spasms, how do we deal with that? Do we need steroids? I mean, all of it, just addressing the, you know, the issues that are inside of the body and making the person healthy. It just seems so obvious that I can't believe this is, this should be like breaking news, you know? Being healthy makes you healthier.

Well, maybe this will get out there a little further. So people like Katie Couric and other people that have mainstream audiences that big can actually report on something that matters instead of scratching their head and going as a journalist, I just don't know what's going on. But we're talking about helping people here. And one of the things that's happening, not in America, is other countries and their governments are starting to help the people who have been injured by the COVID vaccinations. This was the UK, the lead chair of the UK's COVID inquiry. Take a listen to what she had to say. Tragically, a number of people suffered harm as a result of having a vaccine. This was a small minority compared to the overall scale of the vaccination program, but of no less important. to the individuals affected and their families.

I had moving evidence of representatives from the vaccine injured and bereaved core participant groups who have often felt silenced, ignored or treated as vaccine deniers. Similar experiences were also described to the inquiry through its listening exercise every story matters. It is vital in the context of a whole population vaccination programme, in which the state is asking people to be vaccinated in part to protect others, that people are adequately supported when side effects do occur.

A sufficiently supportive government scheme must be in place to help such people and their loved ones. I have found that the current scheme for those who have been injured as a result of having a vaccine, the vaccine damage payment scheme, is not sufficiently supportive and requires reform. I said it last week when we were reporting on this, and they don't have Robert Kennedy Jr. over there. And frankly, they have a censorship system where I think if you quoted some of the statements she just made, you might go to jail if you put it on your, you know, Instagram account. But that is astounding. I don't know that we have ever seen that level of recognition by a government agency that vaccine injury is real.

It's happening. We should care about these people. That is, I think, historic, honestly. And this is happening in other countries, too. I'm going to go into that in a moment. But she mentioned a small minority. Well, what's that mean? We don't know because the tracking isn't quite there.

But we do know this. Here's a headline out of Daily Skeptic. One in seven vaccinated people report a serious adverse event. MHRA fines. That's the Medicines Health Care Products Regulatory Agency. And specifically their yellow card system, people opted into this system to be tracked after the vaccination, and before the vaccination, they were all tracked in this. So these were people that wanted this tracking. So according to this

information, it's about 14% of people with a serious adverse reaction. But that reminds me, people that wanted to be tracked with the vaccination when they received that. It reminds me of the informed consent action networks, be safe dashboard. If you go to our website, you can go to this dashboard. And this was data that we received from the CDC. We started with a FOIA request. We took them to the court. They were forced to give us the data from a V-Safe system that they implemented, where people could opt into this system to track their progress in any adverse events that they received from the COVID vaccine. And interestingly enough, when you look at this system, seven point required care. That's that red box there. Almost 780,000 people out of that over 10 million

people required medical care, that's about 7.7% of the people we found. And if you add people that missed work, that's about 21% of people. So however you want to house adverse, serious adverse events, definitely requiring medical care seems to be a big one. But we're, so we're looking anywhere between 7.7 according to V-SAFE and about 13, 14%, according to this yellow card system of people. Now obviously these aren't robust studies. These are, you know, people that opted into these systems, but it gives us a window. Yeah. In a totally flawed tracking system,

we're seeing really high numbers. In a world where your doctor is telling you when you ask, I think it was the COVID vaccine, no way, that's perfectly safe. I mean, that is the problem. We've reported on it over and over again. Post surveillance only works that the doctors are told to be looking for something.

They've been told nothing to see here, and yet we are still seeing these alarming numbers coming through. I imagine they're much higher. If you lived in a world where vaccine, vaccine injury was accepted, recognized, and every doctor was taught to look for it instead of telling you you're crazy, you're making up it's all in your head, which we hear from so many people, especially from the work that Breed Dresson's done with React 19. Almost every one of the people in that group was told, you're crazy, this is in your head. So how do we get to real raw numbers when that is how doctors are seeing these conversations? But that's huge.

Let's look what's going on outside of America, starting with that UK inquiry. We saw the video, but let's go to South Korea. Here's the headline there. It's an exclusive. South Korea recognizes 15 new COVID-19 vaccine side effects for compensation. This is major. You can go into here and see what side effects, everything from Guillain-Barray syndrome, venous thrombosis, tinnitus, you've got the ringing in the ears, abnormal uterine bleeding,

facial nerve paralysis. But it goes on to say this. A KDCA official stated, even if a case is not among the 15 recognized conditions, if there's a plausible link to vaccination, we will review it for compensation in line with the special act's purpose. That's major. But now the Indian Supreme Court went a step further. This is really the high watermark I've seen in the world. Here's the headline, why Supreme Court ordered a no-fault compensation policy for COVID vaccine side effects. It says the Supreme Court on Tuesday directed the center to formulate a no-fault compensation policy.

for individuals who suffered serious adverse effects or died after receiving COVID vaccinations. Vaccines. The court ruled that families should not be forced to prove negligence in civil courts to claim relief for vaccine-related injuries. It goes on to say this. The court stated that the Constitution does not conceive of the state as a distant spectator of human suffering, but as an active guardian of welfare and dignity. It ruled that since the mass vaccination program was a state-led public health intervention, the state bears a positive obligation to support those who suffered grave outcomes, no matter how rare they are. Massive, massive. I mean, this should be the system that we all base. Every country and government in the world bases their compensation

scheme on. Canada had a private company. They hired a private company to take over their vaccine compensation for COVID. You can imagine how that went, but now that's all changed. Here's the headline. A new program launched for vaccine injured Canadians. They looked at the company and they found this, the government found this. The investigation found that of the 54 million, the private firm Aksaro was given to operate the program. 36 million was spent on administration while just over 21 million supported 250 vaccine injured people since 2021. Now this is all changed. This is the government saying the applicants aren't required to prove that anyone was negligent or responsible in order to be considered for financial support.

reads the new website, the VIAP, medical experts review applications to determine whether a vaccine likely cause an injury. Eligibility for financial support is based on the severity of the injury and its long-term impact on daily life. It says the new call center will ensure applicants and claimants can reach program administrators. VIAP will also accept applications from 225 people who were previously denied support for missing a three-year deadline. We have a one-year deadline here with the CICP in America. So they're allowing those people that missed that deadline to reapply and to get compensation. So what's happening in America? Well, the only thing that's happening in America is not from the government. It is from a React 19. They're making these headlines here.

CDC is set to officially recognize COVID-19 vaccine injury with unprecedented ICD-10 diagnostic code. So before this, now there's a 60-day window for comment. You can go to that article. You can go to the comment section there and comment. You have the end of May to do that. But without that, obviously, we have under recognition. We have miscoding, difficulty tracking, difficulty researching. You don't have anything here. It's completely flying blind.

There's very little people can do to get compensation. So many people miss the deadline of one year for CICP because nothing's tracked, nothing's coded. And your doctor told you it wasn't the vaccine. I mean, how are you going to figure something out in 365 days when you're literally being gas-lit by the expert? to get information on what's going on with you. It pisses me off. The doors are wide open here. Yeah.

Yeah. The horse has left the barn. There's no going back on this. America is on notice. The rest of the world's moving forward. And even mainstream journalists are sounding the alarm on this. Here's Tucker Carlson. Take a listen. I'm so upset about it.

It's just killed too many people and it made too many women infertile. And that's just the most evil thing ever. And it's still on the schedule. It's so immoral. It's hard to believe this is even happening. But he did exactly the same thing. Again, it's my fault for not being like, whoa, that's a red line. I can't cross it. But he did the same thing he did on the Iran War. When I talked about the Iran War, you say, well, like, this is hurting all these people. He's like, you don't believe in the polio vaccine? Like, that was a good vaccine, don't you think? It's like, I guess I believe in the polio vaccine. I don't know. I mean, but that's not what we're talking about. Doesn't, the polio vaccine is a totally different thing. I mean, I don't need. I don't need. I don't need. I don't need. I don't. I don't need. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. even know enough about it, even though we grew up next to the Salk Institute. It's like, what does that have to do with it? You mentioned Iran. He's like, do you think they should have nuclear weapons?

No, I don't think, not for nuclear weapons in general, but it was a non sequitur designed to shut down the conversation. And the same tactic that's been employed by his political adversaries, his entire political life. Exactly. I mean, it is. It just kind of keeps going around, right? No matter what, when you get inside that swamp,

In this country, it's just really hard to make the moves and get things happening. But I'm glad to see other places around the world are moving in the right direction. It's just a matter of time, Jeffrey. I mean, it's all collapsing around them. I mean, this whole facade, safe, effective, great, you know, stops transmission, yada, yada, yada. It's coming apart at the scenes. So we'll just, you know, we're going to keep surfing this, Jeffrey. We've been at it from the beginning.

I appreciate your reporting on this, though, and a freaking potential for a cure for cancer. That's one of the coolest studies I've seen in a long time. Thanks for digging it out. You bet, you bet, yeah, this is exciting times. All right, I'll see you next week. Well, I mean, look, like I said to Jeffrey just now, we've been on this.

We have been talking about vaccines from the beginning. As soon as COVID hit, we're like, hold on a second. Wait a minute, warp speed. Have you seen the animal trials of MRN? What do they do we lock ears down? Where's the science on that? What about the mess? 95% of it. You're kidding me. You know what happened to us? For being like that? This is what happened to us.

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What's the conversation that gets me in the middle of this? It's autism. I probably would still be a CBS producer, I think, in many ways. Actually, probably beyond that, it would be exact producing, maybe even making movies and all sorts of stuff. I won an Emmy Award. Career was going great, but then I stumbled on autism. This story of autism, on a whistleblower inside the CDC,

what's causing autism? The big conversation, every time you turn your TV, oh, it's been debunk, debunk, debunk, debunk, debunk. We don't know what's causing autism, but we sure know what's not. You know what it looks like. It looks like this. Autism rates have hit a record high,

according to new CDC data. It's a dramatic rise in autism diagnoses among children. The CDC's new figures on autism showing a continuing rise in diagnoses. Researchers found one in 31 children were diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder by the time of their eighth birthday. In 2016, the prevalence was 1 in 54 in 2000. It was 1 in 150. Boys were more than three times as likely to be identified with autism as girls. And it was more prevalent in minority children than whites. Overall, the risk for boys of getting an autism diagnosis in this country is now 1 in 20.

You know, without question or controversy, this work really highlights in the end of the day how unbelievably common autism is in our communities. You know, when it comes to the conversation of autism, certainly going back years, a lot of people will bring up the name Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who was, of course, the director and co-producer on the documentary Vax, which puts me in the middle of this conversation, why I'm here on the high wire today. But there's a name that goes back, maybe even further, that got into similar investigations that you may not know. And that is Dr. William Shaw. And it's my honor and pleasure to be joined by him now. Dr. Shaw? Hey, it's pleasure to be here. All right.

It's great to have you. There is so much I want to talk to you about. But I want to sort of, you know, just take this through the timeline of your experience as a scientist, as a doctor. To begin with, you worked at the CDC for some time. Right. What did you do with the CDC? CDC. I was with the National Nutrition Survey that had trailers that went over all 50 states

and collected blood and urine samples to learn the nutritional status of people in the United States. It was because of Congress was saying, we don't have enough information. So they started this thing called the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which comes, abbreviation comes Haynes, which is still an operation today. So you studied blood samples, urine samples. So you were looking at not just what the food supply was, but how I'm assuming it was affecting the human body? Right.

I was looking at the vitamins, the minerals that people had in their body fluids, and were there any that were particularly low? And so iron and vitamin A were ones that ended up being commonly low of the common vitamins tested. But also I was very interested in metabolic testing to look at everything in the body's metabolism simultaneously. We look at hundreds of things at one time. And the way it was done, it was a process. It was called organic acids. So I started learning how to do that while I was at CDC.

That was my most important thing. And I also went to microbiologists who were determining what microorganisms were there. They would culture them. And then they would extract the... molecules from what the bacteria produced, and from that they were able to say what species it was. So it was much faster than the typical way. And I remember one of the species was called Clostridia, which can be very deadly. And I asked them, well, why do you have to culture them?

Why can't you just, if somebody's infected with it, why can't you just test their urine? Oh, they said, nobody's ever done that before. And I kind of put that away. Many years later, I retrieved that and indeed did that. Without going through the culture, if micro-waters are in your intestinal tract, they'll produce chemicals that get absorbed into the bloodstream. When the blood is filtered through the kidneys, it becomes urine. And so everything that's in your body at one time will be in your urine.

So urine is the most useful body fluid for testing humans because everything is concentrated there. And knowing what had happened at CDC, it was able to identify that claustridia bacteria were one of the major causes of autism. So let's get into that because, you know, I think parents of autistic children tend to know your name probably more than your average, you know, American citizen. but that's because you started the Great Plains Laboratory. Correct. So was that soon after leaving CDC you went and decided you want to get into that metabolic testing? I went into intermediate, which was the Children's Hospital in Kansas City. Okay.

And there I set up the testing for, it was supposed to be for genetic diseases. And we tested for all the genetic diseases. But what I found is there were chemicals in the urine that weren't due to any genetic disease. When I looked at medical records, though, the kids were normal until they started giving them antibiotics. And after they had the antibiotics, they started getting sick or having ADD or seizure disorders. And so I presume that those chemicals were coming from the microorganisms. And so at that time, everybody who did this in labs throughout the world were only focused on the genetic diseases. And I went the exact opposite.

I started only focusing on the stuff that everybody else was ignoring. And that was the best decision I ever made in my life. I got patent on using these chemicals from microorganisms and found that they are the most common causes of all. diseases, especially ones that people say there's no cure or we don't know anything about it. Almost surely all those are due to the gut flora, meaning the bacteria, the fungus, and other microorganism viruses that are in your intestinal tract are the cause of wall diseases. And so I focused on two brothers with all autism who were very similar.

Is this once you started your laboratory at Great Plains? At the Children's Hospital. Oh, it's still the Children's Hospital. You're still there. Okay, yeah. Got it? So the work I got at Children's Hospital was then transferred to Great Plains, was it. Because they wanted to go too slow.

They wanted to be 5% of my activity. I saw at that time, I thought this is the most. So you can do 5% of what you want to do. Your other 95% has to be what we want you focused on. And I thought, that's a good idea. but this is the most important discovery maybe of this century. Yeah. And so I thought, I'm shaking my head, yes, but in my head I'm thinking, no.

You know, I can't make this a little, this is by far the biggest discovery. And, of course, I got a patent, a colleague of mine who was a pediatric neurologist, came across these two brothers who had severe autism, but they also had a muscle weakness that was so severe that when they would try to stand up, their legs would just fall out from under them. But it was periodic. It was sometimes they were able to walk okay, and sometimes they were just overcome. And this pediatric neurologist also had the same kind of mass spectrometers that I had,

his was an older version. So he couldn't find the cause of their illness. He told the mother, why don't you see Shaw? He's got the latest and greatest of the scientific instruments. And I explained to the mother when she came that many diseases ebb and flow. So the severity gets real intense, and then they may go toward. So I said you can't just do one sample because you must. might miss the peak of one of these waves.

So to do as many as you can. And then she kind of disappeared. And as I thought, maybe she's forgotten about it. But then there was paged to come to the main lab. And she had a giant shopping bag full of frozen urine samples, which were more urine samples than we tested an entire month at the Children's Hospital. So when I tested them, at first, I was focused on, was there any of these instances of genetic disease, but there weren't any? And I thought, I've done it. There's got to be a, I knew as a biochemist that everything has a cause.

But once I focused on the things that everybody else was ignoring, I saw those were extremely abnormal compared to a normal child's urine. They were, things were much higher. And then I started looking at where were these coming from. I found they were coming from yeast such as candida and ultimately from the claustridia, because I had the experience at CDC. The thing is, in the human body, they were altering the structure of the molecules produced by the claustridia. So they didn't match exactly with the ones that are produced in culture by the claustridia. they were modified.

So I had to use my biochemical knowledge. The body was modifying them? The body was taking the thing from the Clostridia and then changing it, but not changing it so much that I didn't recognize that that must have come from the Clostridia and then was changed by the human body to an alternate substance. And that became, it's probably my most important research finding. I mean, I think that even as possible. to get a Nobel Prize if enough people learn about it.

The problem is getting the information out. And I also found the same- What year or so we're bad, I mean, this has been plenty of time for CDC to know this, NIH to know this, FDA to know this, you're essentially saying that this clostridia bacteria, which is also a component of yeast or overgrowth of yeast, is that correct?

It's a separate organism. organism, but they're commonly found together. Okay. So a lot of times, antibiotics that will kill, the common antibiotics will kill the beneficial organisms, but they leave the pathogens like candida and claustridia. Okay. And they overgrow the intestine. So that's what I found is virtually every kid with autism had these, and we did the first study. Had heightened rates of, of, of these things.

It weren't found in normal people. And I ended up, I got a patent on the use of these chemicals. And all this was published. And there was quite a bit of excitement. You know, where, you know, that. And of course, the first thing we want to do is, can we, some of the stuff was from Candida. So, well, maybe we could use antifungal drugs.

Meanwhile, my pediatric neurologist colleague had been recruited to come to the same hospital that I was at, Dr. Enrique Chavez. And he said that every one of, there were 23 children, all of them had hypotonia, meaning low muscle tone. So that was why those two original kids would, you know, would lose their ability to stand up. they would just fall down when they tried to stand up because the candida was so bad. And the two original children, where we did about 50 tests, you know, showed a clear pattern of, you know, the candida and the claustridia. And so we decided with the help of Dr. Chavez, we put together a research grant. and obtained antifungal drugs to treat the children. And that ended up being a very common one.

I would say 60 to 70% of people with autism had this. The thing that was so unbelievable was you could treat them for a month or even three months and then stop. Once you stop, the autism would return and the candida would return. And you could see it with the test that had come back. The question was, why. Right, because I mean, you should be clearing it, right? You should be...

Right. Yeah, why is this? And so one of the things that I've entertained and I think should be examined by the government, the FDA and so forth, is the fact that a study was done in Germany that found when you gave the measles vaccine to children, and knocked out their immunity, but only to Candida. It didn't knock their immunity against any other thing. It was specific for Candida.

And so I thought nothing happened. It was just it just got forgotten. And I thought, of course, this isn't proof, but, you know, there's so many kids. So one colleague of mine and MD, PhD, psychiatrist, his child was on antifungal drugs for 30 years. He couldn't stop it. And this was not an unusual pattern. This was almost all the children had that same pattern. So once you stop, so we naturally have immunity where our body goes, fights off, you know, an overgrowth of candida.

But a child that's been turned off or triggered off by something. And so it just runs throughout their body. So even when you take on antifungals, as soon as you stop, their body never learned. fight it. Yeah, sometimes within 24 hours. And so your, your discovery of this is we're like, what, 1980s, 90s now? Of, yeah, probably 80s and 90s, you know, and so all these things were going simultaneously. And we found out that autism wasn't the only disease. This was prevalent in many, many different diseases, all the psychiatric diseases. We were able to obtain a complete reversal of severe schizophrenia just by an antibiotic.

And so just so people understand, your laboratory is, I would say, cited by almost every doctor and scientist that has moved in the space of truly studying autoimmune dysregulation, gut dysbiosis. Your laboratory became the laboratory that every scientist and doctor that was asking the questions outside of what you said, moving out of genetic. and saying, what are the environmental toxins? What are the things that are happening to bodies? I want to get to the bottom of this.

Your laboratory, you know, to this date is still the big. The pioneers. The number one laboratory. All these scientists and doctors that are making discoveries are going through. So you're not just looking at these two autistic children. How many? Over a million. Over a million.

And this is in Justin D.I. This is all throughout the world. So myself and my laboratory staff have trained physicians over the entire world to learn how to utilize the testing and also the treatments. You know, we can't prescribe the drug, but we can tell the physician, this is what you need to do in order to get the patient well. And we've had, you know, we've had some complete successes, which are on videotape of a child with severe autism who was treated and became. quickly, completely well. And this was by the diagnosed by the physician in charge

of the Missouri Autism Project. And she said, she diagnosed him when he had autism and she diagnosed him when he recovered. And she said, he's completely normal. And she said, no, I want to take that back. He's not completely normal. He's much smarter than the normal child. And he's, you know, he's happy.

he's engaging with the other children. He's trying to help the other children. She said it's just remarkable how good he's done. In all this work, you were formerly at the CDC. You're now the pioneer. You're taking millions of samples. You've already on here and then even made a very strong statement that Candida and Clostridia are, you know,

directly affecting this issue we're looking at is autism. Did the FDA ever reach out to the NIH? Did our government ever say, we'd like to come or bring you in and say, we want to look at what you're studying here because this is critical. The only thing they did, they took a couple of the kids who had recovered

and brought them and did additional testing. That's the only thing they did. That was it. Meanwhile, you've watched as, you know, really prior to Robert Kennedy Jr., all of the investigation of autism by our government agencies has been on the genetic link. Exactly what you said. You ran from the Children's Hospital. Here you are showing this is not necessarily genetics.

Now, I suppose there might be a genetic predisposition to having a reaction to antibiotics or something like that. Yeah, yeah. But what I found is that the main, the main things were environmental factors, not genetic factors. And so what have you been your thinking is you've watched the government of the United States lead this charge to keep saying it's genetic. We're looking for the genetic markers. Have you just been scratching your head?

I think I was disappointed. I thought the pharmaceutical industry had such a lock on treatment, the medical treatment, that they tried to force out almost any other mode of treatment. And so it's even in the, so, you know, so, for example, lately we're interested in Alzheimer's disease. And Alzheimer's disease has beta amyloid deposits. Well, candida and mold in the intestinal tract cause beta amyloid to be formed. Amyloid is an anti-candida molecule. It's produced by the immune system to fight candida.

And they've actually, people who do autopsies found candida in the brain of people who had Alzheimer's and mold as well. And so both of those cause amyloid forms. So our focus should really be on treating mold and candida. Right. Instead, instead it's the pharmaceutical Companies want to find the gold mine.

And their main goal is not to find what completely treats a disease. They want to find a drug that makes a person somewhat better for life. To survive the disease. Just survive it. Survive it. That's right. And so to my mind, there should be a change in how they, things are rewarded. There should be rewards for people who eliminate disease, not just find new

ways of making money with the disease. I find it fascinating because obviously I've worked, you know, I made a film with Dr. Andrew Wakefield. So shortly after you're making this discovery yourself in studying urine samples that candida and gut flora is affecting this issue called autism, which up until that moment, that would have been like crazy talk because it's a neurological disorder or it's a brain injury, right? And somewhere in the brain, you're saying, hold on a second, no, it's directly being affected by the gut. Meanwhile, across the ocean, are you communicating? Because that's exactly Andy Wakefield does the Lancet study of 12 children that have come to him because he's a gastroenterologist, not, you know, it's not about the brain. Those parents came

him saying, you know, our children have a serious gut issue that's a lot like your, your papers on Crohn's disease. And he says, but I don't, I'm a Crohn's disease expert. I don't know anything about autism. We're not, we're not talking about the autism. We're talking about the gut disease that seemed to start right after the autism. And I remember that's maybe one of the most, probably the most controversial study in the history of all science and medicine. It gets retracted. And all he said there in that paper was this paper does not show a direct link between MMR vaccine and autism. More studies need to be done on that. But what it did show was a unique gut disorder that seemed to be affiliated with the autism.

And I remember he said to me, what really blew our minds was the day that we would clear their stomachs preparing them the next day they were. going to have a colonoscopy so we could study the intestinal system. But when we cleared their gut, all of a sudden, many of them, their mannerisms and their repetitive disorders would disappear. Because a lot of their gut flora were being cleaned out. And you, so were you in contact with Andy at that moment? Are you two making this similar to know each other and he's been at several conference? After the fact, though, right? Or right at that moment? No, he was, you know, while he was doing these studies, we had them several times, both in Kansas City and in Spain. So you two were both looking at this same issue?

At the abnormal intestinal flora, or abnormal things that are going on in the intestine that we think are connected with autism. Do you feel like it's significant enough that it's a marker of sorts? Could you, I mean, can you say that a child with autism has this likelihood? So my paper on Clostridia now has been confirmed in laboratories throughout the world. And a study in China found that if you have a high Clostridia metabolite, you don't need psychological studies. You have autism if you have this elevated in your urine sample. So there's a level of which Clostridia that if I, if it,

If someone showed you a urine sample and says this level of claustridia, you'd say that's an autistic child. You have autism. Wow. It was 96% if you have one of the clostridium, it was like 98.5% certain if you had three of the clostridia metabolites that were elevated. And so then the next big question was, why is the clostridia elevated? Right. and a study on children with autism triplets who had autism showed they all had high levels of glyphosate, the weed killer,

which is Roundup. Roundup, yep. In fact, just in a couple of days, we were hosting a march against the Supreme Court where they're going to try and give liability protection to Roundup. So I'm deeply involved in this issue. So it's extremely bad because the glyphosate is not. not only involved with non-Hodgkins leukemia. It's involved in almost every kind of disease, but not due to the direct toxicity of the glyphosate.

In addition to be a weed killer, it's a killer of beneficial organisms in your intestinal tract. So all of the harmful organisms, so for example, we tested a person with severe amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, which is known as Lou Gehrig's disease after the famous baseball player who got it. ALS. ALS. Yeah. And that person had the worst dysbiosis of any patient I ever had.

And dysbiosis, meaning bacteria, gut floor is just totally out of whack. Had high cost to be. High amounts of candida, high amounts of mold. They were all extremely, the highest I've ever seen. And lots of published papers indicate that the dysbiosis, the abnormal flora, is a major cause. That stuff is absorbed from the intestinal tract. And then some of these molecules impair the blood-brain barrier, and they get into the brain

and kill the motor neurons, which are the neurons that are affected in ALS. So somebody came me today to say, what would I do with patient? I said you do to do this test, it's called an organic acid test, which you can still do at the lab called Mosaic. With the other thing, this person had the highest glyphosate I've ever seen. So it was pretty obvious that the glyphosate had killed all the normal flora in this person. So the first thing you would need to do is say, don't eat any food that's not organic. take high doses of probiotics, meaning beneficial bacteria, and other things to kill any specific pathogens that are there.

But so I think ALS will be treated. I will sit here today and say it will be treated and will be treated once the dysbiosis is addressed and treated. That will be the last case of ALS. and then you will see a cure to ALS. And similarly, I guess, you're looking at Alzheimer's. You mentioned three triplets with autism that moved you just away from being straight

about Clostridia and, you know, yeast to glyphosate. What was it about those three kids that made... Well, what happened is the glyphosate caused the Clostridia to reach high levels. Did they, so why did the, they have particularly high levels of glyphosate, these triplets. Yeah, because their mother was of Mexican descent. And so corn tortillas are the favorite food of most Mexican people of Mexican origin.

They were eating them with every meal plus snacks. So they were getting them probably five times a day. Once I told the mother, who was a physician about this, she took them off that. The glyphosate, we tested a couple weeks later, and it had dramatically reduced. 95% of all people in this country have some glyphosate. There's only a small, maybe two or three percent who have no detectable glyphosate. Wow. But there's a difference between having some and having giant LD's children had giant elevated

virus. To me, glyphosate is probably the number one. cause of autism. And correlation studies, you know, people will say correlation doesn't mean proof, but if you have the mechanism by which glyphosate does that, which is by killing the beneficial bacteria and causing the pathogens to grow, its correlation is valid. It was like a 99% correlation between the amount of glyphosate in use in the United States and the autism rate.

Was there glyphosate, when you first started, when you've looked at those first two kids at the Children's Hospital, I don't really, is glyphosate being used then? No, just, I think it was probably the 90s, that glyphosate started being used. But your theory at that moment with those two kids, it was the antibiotics that they'd been on,

that white-biotics and perhaps Tylenol as well. Yeah. The brand name, acetaminophen is the, and in Europe they used the word paracetamol Right. Hold on the Tylenol point for a second because that's a little bit different. But I just want, I'm trying to connect several things here. You start out saying you're looking at the wrong thing. These are not genetic issues.

These are toxic issues and toxins, I believe, that are in the gut. You prove that. You see these heightened rates to the point where you can tell someone they're autistic, not even by meeting them, by looking at their samples and seeing the... You just say what's the value of this in the urine. So that's pretty good proof. If you can pull that magic trick, then I think we should be looking at it. Now, the gut biome early on, we don't have glyphosate, so you have Tylenol.

You mentioned MMR vaccine can kill, you know, create this growth or an immediate... The measles portion of it... The measles part. Was destroying the cellular immunity to candida. And now we cut to a more modern issue, but it's a more modern issue. but it's really the same problem. It's still, you know, this overgrowth of bad bacteria in the gut. But now you're saying, you know, on top of the fact that we're giving antibiotics to kids,

on top of the fact that no one seemed to stop the measles vaccine or see if there was some genetic susceptibility that was creating this issue, now enters a chemical product that is sprayed on 80 to 90% of our crops. As you pointed out, we're all eating it. But you're saying it's not really the toxic. or the poison itself, it's what it's doing to the gut biome. And a lot of people have said one of the big issues with glyphosate is it is an antibiotic, that it is, that is affecting your gut as though you're taking antibiotics.

Yeah. And addition to killing weeds is killing most of the beneficial debithidobacterial lactobacillin, which help to keep your health. So those are being wiped out. And so every person that I saw who had high amounts of glyphosate had, dysbiosis. And that dysbiosis now, there's a lot of people that talk about watching an adult regress with Alzheimer's, that it's a lot like watching a child with autism slowly.

They, you know, have all sorts of issues. Your laboratory is the heart of us now called, same really is turned over into mosaic. Yeah. All right. Is the same of the Great Plains Laboratory that you started. And so now you're publishing on glyphosate. you've been focused on Clostridia and Candida, but now glyphosates your focus in particular ALS, which is one of the most debilitating, horrific diseases that they just can't seem to get

their heads wrapped around. You're like, it's pretty simple. You have gut dysbiosis. It's rather rare, but of four people tested, all four had the dysbiosis. So to me, for a rare disease, if you test four or four, you know, there could be a rare disease. some coincidence you need more data. I think everybody as ALS, especially

at the beginning, should be testing for this phenomena. Right. And you still have bureaucrats like the state of New York does not permit that testing. Doesn't permit it? No. They could block you from testing things you want

to test? Yeah. Yeah, they said we're going to if you start doing this in New York, we're going to sue you. you and make you take down your website and all this crap. So because of that, I said, I'm just not going to do business in New York. I mean, they wanted, they wanted me to take out the word dysbiosis from all the marketing material. I said, it's in the National Library of Medicine, a thousand articles that, why can't I put it on

my website? Oh, no. So I don't know if there's money involved, you know, or they're just, you know, they have bureaucracy mutation or something. Well, it's certainly Robert Kennedy Jr. ran for president saying the corruption of our regulatory agencies and really the infiltration by the pharmaceutical industry is corrupting all of our science. It's certainly, from what you're stating, if you have states that are saying you can't even study what's going on inside of your body, you're not allowed to use this word dysbiosis. You can't look at gut bacteria. That's just... I mean, it's like 1984, you know, where...

Madness. But, you know, certainly words are forbidden. Look, your work, I think, is critical. Obviously, you know, I want to talk to you about Tylenol, but why don't we do it on all? off the record, which is going to be our show. I know that some of the studies you've done were actually cited by Robert Kennedy Jr. When he made the statement that they recommended

that pregnant women not take Tylenol, I wanna know what you know about that, but we'll talk about that on off the record. My last question to you is in all this work, decades now work, I understand why pharmaceutical industry corrupts data and tries to sell products, but you've been, watched what is supposed to be the greatest regulatory agencies in the world, the greatest

nation in the world in America, the best hospital systems absolutely stand in the way of progress, a progress, you know, on discoveries you and Andy Wakefield and others like you. And even to this date, we see more and more studies still looking at fecal transplant studies showing that if you change the, you know, in rats, you can literally just just put healthy gut biome in a rat that they're trained to be autistic and they're seeing those results. How do you explain why government agencies don't want the truth? After working, I think it was six years at CDC, the bureaucracy there was stifling.

It was so, the smallest thing had to be a... by seven levels of different supervisors. And so it really is, some of these agencies stifle creativity. So everything that I did was of importance I did because I, you know, I pushed it out myself. Like one of the things I did there, there was a, a, a, a, mathematical algorithm where if you use this complex mathematical term called a logit, you would get that you could take the radioactivity and the test versus the concentration and it would make a straight line.

And people at the National Institutes of Health saying there was no, it was just a coincidence. So in my spare time, I remember the story of Einstein, when I worked out the mathematics of it in my spare time. And if my supervisor came, I pushed it into the center drawer so they didn't see how it. So that was all working on my own. It wasn't because CDC said to do it. It's because I thought people would be pleased to know there was a mathematical theory. and I got it, and then the head of the Clinical Chemistry was so impressed.

He said, you need to present this to the board of the medical journal that deals with clinical chemistry. You know, this is one of the great discoveries. And so that was this, Einstein did the same thing when he was working on his theories in the Swiss Patent Office. When his supervisor came, he pressed his equations into his center drawer. So it was got a kick out of that that I was working on one of the tricks that Einstein used to employ.

Amazing. Well, Dr. Shaw, what an incredible life's work you've been up to. I want to thank you for sharing here on the Highwire because we want the truth to be out there. And I think we are starting to see some movement here. There's obviously you've affected over a generation of maps, doctors, and doctors that are, doing work with children suffering from all sorts of autism but also autoimmune issues all of that and I'm sure there's people who are now have family members with Alzheimer's and things like that and it's fascinating it all does seem to be coming back to the gut biome I've I've always said every time I see another

study that you know your psych you know your mental health is connected to your stomach I always joke I think that that headline should read dr. Andrew Wakefield is right now I'm gonna say it means that Dr. Shaw and Dr. Wakefield were right. But it'd be great to get you, you know, in front of Robert Kennedy Jr. and Dr. McCarrie and Dr. Oz. I think this is really important. We could actually maybe get to some solutions while we have a short window here.

But I want to thank you for joining us today. Yeah, yeah. Thank you for the invitation. I really appreciate it. Absolutely. You know, as we were planning on this show, I first reached out to Dr. Shaw on the Tylenol. issue because that was, you know, everyone's like, well, where'd that come from Robert

Kennedy Jr. is making that statement. But as fate would have it, you know, we just couldn't quite get the timing until just now. And here we find ourselves in Autism Awareness Month, which makes this a super interesting conversation. But also, we are now just days away from marching in Washington, D.C. And I did not know that this conversation was going to lead to glyphosate, really until this conversation and the recent study that Dr. Shaw just did. So now you realize what we are up against. We are up against government agencies that are acting just like corrupt industries, like pharma, that hide their data, that block any, you know, solutions or any investigations

that might lead to actually healing issues like autism, like Alzheimer's, Alzheimer's like ALS, and instead of investing the billions of dollars moving through our regulatory agencies to at least send a few people over to Great Plains Laboratory and why don't you meet with Dr. Shaw and why don't we start running serious tests nationwide, worldwide, see if this really is repeatable. Can we come up with a solution? Is there, you know, is it, you know, do we change our vaccine schedule? Do we think? about antibiotics differently? Do we look at this chemical or spraying all over all of our food? And instead of doing that, what do we, we're on the verge of our government signing papers

for the Supreme Court to give liability protection to this poison that may be one of the greatest cause of disease and illness we have ever seen on this earth. So as you consider what you're going to do with your weekend and whether or not you should go to Washington, D.C., I want you to think about what you will do when you, you know, lay in bed at night and watch that you could have stood for something, you could have stood up for something. You could have been like Dr. Shaw and taken it in your own hands and said, I'm at least going to go to Washington, D.C., and make my presence known that I do not want my children or my grandchildren or the future of this world to have no options out, no ways to sue, no market forces, and a corrupted government and corrupt, you know, industries that

are making all of our decisions for us. That's what I really think is on the line here. So I hope I'll see you in Washington, D.C., April 27th, the front of the Supreme Court, because I think this is actually the biggest issue, certainly of the week, maybe of the year, one of the biggest in our lifetime. And this is why we do this work. For decades, Bayer and Monsanto have poisoned our food and our families with glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup. And now, facing over 1007,000, 70,000 cancer lawsuits worth 16 billion, Bayer wants the Supreme Court to bail them out. It's time for the people to take a stand.

On April 27th, we will march together at the Supreme Court. America demands equal justice under the law with no immunity for chemical companies. It's the people versus poison, April 27th in Washington, D.C. Well, obviously that's just around the corner. I am packing bags as soon as I leave here today, actually start traveling tomorrow, several speaking events that land me finally on Monday in Washington, D.C. Come up, say hi. I would love to see you there.

There's going to be so many amazing speakers, including some politicians, like one of my favorites, Thomas Massey, a guy that just has not, you know, stepped away from his principles. He is going to be speaking there. And so many other great speakers, including one of our favorite Zen. Honeycutt who joins me now. Zen, I'm getting pretty pumped. I mean, Monday is such a big deal. And, you know, when I think about all the people, you've crossed into all the different conversations we've had. There's some people that are just straight up about food, which is really cool. We don't all need to be totally aligned on the vaccine thing. But boy, that commonality,

that liability, you know, protection, all those people are complaining for decades about the 1986 Act, sure would be great to see them stepping out and standing up and not letting that happen again. But what are your thoughts? What do we need to be focused on? Of course, there's people, I know there's people at home with children, there's school going on. Not everyone can make it. But what should be our focus as a population right now when it comes to this issue of glyphosate? Well, speaking up bravely and boldly, as you have been saying for a very long time now, is the number one thing to do. Of course, buying organic is urgent.

Showing up in D.C. If you can drive there, be there. If you can afford to fly there, be there. I mean, this is probably never going to happen again. I hope it never does. We never need to again, right? Let's show them when you do things like this, it doesn't work out for you.

Yeah, let's do, let's be there. Let's show up and, you know, make it known not only to the Supreme Court and to the president, to this administration, but to all the elected officials who want our vote coming in the mid-the-turrection, that we are not going to stand for this, that we will not allow these corporations to get immunity from lawsuit. It's a basic principle to be accountable for safety. You know, we're not against capitalism.

Make all the products you want, sell all the products you want, but make them safe. Or you're going to have a tidal wave of moms coming after you and others. There's a lot of other people are going to be there. The speaker lineup is going to be phenomenal. And, you know, I have to say that the coming farm bill that's going to be hitting the floor this week, it is perfect timing for us to be there and to be showing up. That day, at 4 o'clock, there's going to be a hearing and Rayburn from about the EPA with Lee Zeldin is going to be put on the spot. We need Maha people there.

We need to show up. So just to be clear, like, explain what this means, the farm bill. They're hedging their bet. It's not just happening in Supreme Court. just what is in the farm bill, right, that we should be worried about. Because even if we win at the Supreme Court level, it may circumvent, go around us and get in through the farm bill. So tell me just a little bit about what we need to be worrying about

in that farm bill right now. Yeah, so Bear and ChemChina are having a heyday right now, right? They've got people who are basically, I think, traders to democracy and to health that are championing the pesticide immunity shield in three branches of government in our judicial, which you just talked about, with the Supreme Court. If this court goes in favor of bear, they're going to get immunity. This is going to be disastrous for human health. Then we've got executive and legislative. And in the farm bill,

the legislative branch, we've got section 102. Most people are not talking about this. There are sections 1022, which requires the EPA to coordinate with the USDA and to consider the benefits of these pesticides. Dell, they're basically saying the quiet part out loud, which is we're going to make it legal to put business before health and safety. So before the EPA could ban a pesticide, they have to consider what the USDA says about how beneficial that pesticide is for farmers, right? So this is just outrageous. Section 102-4 extends a statutory deadline for the EPA to not do pesticide reviews for five years. What? Until 2030, one. And that's because the glyphosate review on endocrine disruption is due this year. That's why

they're doing that. It's another version of grass, right? We're just going to generally recognize it as safe for at least five years, at which point how much damage is done. And it's amazing a modern society even would allow itself to be caught thinking like this, right? We don't, we're just not going to think about the casualties for five years. Let's just wreak mayhem, give it five years and then we'll get around to take it a look at it. Yeah, and then it's not like they haven't been reviewing it for 15 years already. And it's not like they don't have access to science that shows its endocrine disrupting and hormone disrupting. So this is just an outrageous pushback of regulation because bear and Chem China want to sell more toxins, right?

That's what this is all about. Then section 102.5, that's the uniformity of pesticide labeling. That is what will. It actually says it blocks state, local, and courts rights effectively giving these corporations immunity from lawsuits by saying, you know, the EPA labels law, we didn't have to warn you that it causes cancer because the EPA did not, you know, that it's playing that whole game and it would override even our court systems. It's outrageous. And then 102-6 bans local governments from implementing pesticide restrictions. This affects hundreds, if not thousands of towns and cities across the country that have already gotten glyphosate banned in their state,

you know, their parks, their schools, their homeowners associations. On moms across America, we have an action page drop down with toxin-free town. And on that, in that campaign, we have a document that says 10 alternatives to round up that has been downloaded 100,000 times by American citizens like you. So that's people that have fought hard, worked for months, if not years to get glyphosate. out of their cities and their towns and their parks and their playground. So all of that work would be wiped out if this passes. This is outrageous.

And then 102.7, it loosens restrictions on pesticides and allows more toxins in our water. I mean, could you imagine a worse thing? And then, you know, 10211, it does, it collect data, but it also puts pressure on the EPA to, it does not put pressure on the EPA to speed up backlog safety reviews, right? It reduces the pressure on them. So they can just delay and delay and delay, and we don't need that. So the good news is, is that Representative Nancy Mace has put forth an amendment to take all of these sections out. It's called Subtitle C Part 1. So that's Amendment No. 301. That's what you want to get on your phone right now and call your House of Representatives. And I believe the number is 201, 2,000.

24 3121 and you can ask for your house representative and you can call them and tell them you want them to support amendment 301 which would take all of those nasties out now Pingree and Massey and Fitzpatrick and Klein and Bobert there's a whole list of other people who have gotten together to support the Pingree Massey amendment which is taking out 105 106 and 107 that's good but that's not I'm sorry it's not good enough we want all of them taken out them taken out and we're very grateful that Representative Nancy Mace has put forth this, you know, this amendment to take all of them out. So that's the main thing to focus on right now because it's going to the floor in the Rules Committee, which is where they will decide whether or not

to allow amendments, right? And that decision will be on Monday at 4 p.m., the same time as the EPA meeting. So we're going to have to divide and conquer people who go to the rally, or we're going to split up somehow and make sure that we have, you know, showing at both of them. And, and then later on the week, probably on Wednesday, the entire House floor will vote on this farm bill. And we want them to take all of these sections out. And if they don't, they got to vote no. Well, it sure sounds like a good week to visit Washington, D.C. and have your voice be heard. Zen, I can't wait to see you there. Of course, we will get you all of that information. Just sign up to our newsletter. We'll make sure you get all those numbers that you can call your representative. Definitely, you know, glad that Representative Mace has

gotten involved here. It's a great thing to bring your kids along with. I mean, that's how they learn how to do this when they get older. That's what my mom used to do. And of course, it was groups like yours, moms across America and some of these, you know, vaccine freedom, health freedom groups grabbed me off the Vax bus and drag me into some capitals and said, hey, come lobby with us. It's actually really a lot of fun to do as a group. So if you have time, you can stay an extra day, go to Mom's Cross America on Instagram, you said, and sign up to do a lobby day the next day. But look, you're going to want to be able to say you were there. This is how we make history. This is how we do it together. This is how we stand together.

We have our voices heard. You can go to the people versus poison.org.org. You can sign up. Tell us you're going to be there. We have some sense of how many volunteers we need to help direct traffic. You can also buy a T-shirt there. You can click on and buy a People v. Poison. Go grab some merch. That's how we're funding the live broadcast, which is going to be streamed over so many different platforms. You can obviously watch it here at the highwire.com.

Zen, I'll see you in Washington, D.C. Keep up the good work. And everybody call your representative and tell them, get all of this garbage out of the farm bill. I'm not down. I don't want any liability protection. I want the right to avoid pesticides. I want our states to have state rights that supersede federal rights.

That is really, honestly, it's a conservative principle, which is shocking. I know you and I both grew up as liberals, but even I am like states rights matters. It's really crazy to watch this administration allowing this type of conversation to go on. But we're going to make that right. There's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of pressure from the chemical companies. But guess what? We are hundreds of millions of people.

We buy food. If we buy organic and we vote, you know, we speak up. So we want the representatives to hear us. We need to show up and be there. This is not just a protest. This is a rally. This is a gathering of like-minded people, many of us who have been very affected by these chemicals.

But the thing is, what I teach people when we do public speaking, is it's the people who are the most affected that are the most effective. And that's the people that are going to show up. So you're going to meet your new best friends when you go there. It's going to be a day. I'm probably going to cry because I've been working on this for 14 years and we're finally going to have a massive rally against, you know, against glyphosate.

But for state rights and freedom and health, it's going to be fantastic, Delle. I can't wait to see you and I can't wait to see everybody else. All right, I'll see you there. Thanks for taking time today. Jump in, get us all pumped up, inspired Zen, I'll see you on Monday. All right. Well, I mean, look, you're, you've been, you're such a great audience.

The informed consent action network is one of the best networks there is. People come on here and they say, look, when we bring a book, people buy our book when they come on the high wire. You, you know, you go and you donate to GoFundMe's and things like that when there is need. If you have time, if there's any way at all to get to Washington, D.C., I think this is really important. Look at the interview. I mean, that's just, I have to go back and watch it over and over again and unpack how much we just talked about with Dr. William Shaw there.

But, I mean, to watch that trajectory to where he is already, and then comes to the conclusion, I think glyphosate actually now is our biggest issue with this ALS, autism, all these things, destroying our gut biome, making it impossible for us to heal. Even when you do heal, it just keeps coming back, all of these issues. come on, this is not a product that should have liability protection. What happens if they are able to just, you know, force states' rights and take away, you know, the free market? The world's watching us. And so I hope you'll be there so we can be loud, proud, stand up for America, be that beacon of light and hope. Anyway, I want to thank you for joining us this week. And by the way, you know, if you can't make it, I get it.

then at least watch it on the high wire. Share it with everyone you know. Let them know, hey, check out the high wire on Monday. Really important issue. And of course, we'll be posting all along that time where you can call what your representative. So if you want some friends that you think might be interested in, and I've said it before, this is a crossover issue.

This is food. This is pesticides and herbicides. I'm telling you, I grew up a Democrat. They really care about this issue too. Republicans do. This is something where we can get outside of those boxes where we've been at each other's throats. Let's find commonality here. I think this is a super important issue. It is going to affect our health moving forward. All right. So enough said,

I'll see those of you that make it to Washington, D.C. on Monday. I'll see the rest of you next week on the High Wire.