The Highwire with Del Bigtree - EPISODE 480: THE GLOBAL RESISTANCE, SCREWWORM PANIC & THE RISE OF BIOHACKING

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

Del is back from Poland and France after touring with “An Inconvenient Study,” and one thing became clear: countries across Europe followed the same COVID playbook. The question is, who was coordinating the script? Del is determined to find out.Then, Jefferey Jaxen breaks down the media panic over RFK Jr., ACIP, and vaccines returning to the national spotlight, along with new questions about AI-designed vaccines and the latest concerns over the screwworm outbreak.Plus, biohacking pioneer Dave Asprey stops by the studio to discuss the cutting edge of longevity science—and why the future of extending human life may be closer than most people realize.Guests: Dave AspreyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are out there in the world, it's time for us all to step out into the high wire. In fact, wherever you are in the world, I might have just been there. Of course, I've been traveling Europe with our film, an inconvenient study, and also with the at the same time interviewing some of the leading scientists and doctors and journalists in every country I go to in an exploration of what is happening with the world, how is health being used in different countries? Do they feel like COVID is behind us? All of those questions. And it's what you hear, right? The more I learn, the more I feel like I don't fully understand, especially when it comes to happening, you know, what happened during COVID.

The stories are phenomenal. In some ways, I suppose, there are similarities or what are somewhat shocking. And then as you look at the entire world, you start realizing we're all in different sort of stages of this globalist experience. Or I think introduction to authoritarianism, it's just in different places. depending on where you're at, how well entrenched these nations are. At the forefront, obviously, everywhere I go, the question is, what's happening in America? Is America going to save us? But just for a feeling of these last several days, I'll be honest with you, I have not had a lot of sleep.

I did not have a full night sleep over the last two weeks of travel. It is starting very early in the morning, oftentimes going and doing, local news that are asking me questions, then maybe speaking to parliament officials or MPs, and then at some point I get to do some interviews and then usually racing off to a screening and then a Q&A and meeting a bunch of people. And then ultimately, one thing that I found shocking is dinner apparently in Europe doesn't start until 10 p.m. Or at least it doesn't when we were in town. So, you know, perfect. Let's just eat right before we go to bed. There were dinners that started at midnight and then you're up at 5.30 the next day. Anyway, it's been spectacular. I did

get a full night to sleep last night after I got home from France, but this is just a feeling of what the tour has been like over the last couple of weeks. We're here in the first day in Poland where we're going to be giving testimony in the parliament. We're here trying to check in, giving my passport, Brian Hooker gave his passport for some reason. We're the only two people that have not been approved right now. Mission accomplished. Essentially, every government of the world agreed to measures that had no basis in science. I believe this is the most important issue in the world. This is all of the project my...

When I was asked to do this... ...I'd be a long day. I got two hours sleep last night. Totally jet lagged, but we had incredible hearing. Just did some amazing interviews. And now, as soon as they can get that right, We're racing over to where they're screening an inconvenient study. We must reject this global use of health against our freedom.

The people that stood their ground were fierce. Some will say with one of the most controversial films in the world. If not now, then when? You're getting you cut up the schedule. If not all. Then who? Are you really? You have the power.

You do. We just arrived at the theater here in Paris where we're screening. This is Louis Foucher who is responsible for putting this whole event together. But you're telling me this isn't the only theater is screening tonight. Yes for sure. We have like 50 different theaters screening the movie at the same time. And we're warming up for them. warming up for the next viewing we hope to be hundred and maybe two hundred

Wow how amazing is that We're having some technical difficulties Not sure if it's uh what do you have like a CIA We're about to start the Q&A and all of a sudden there's a fire alarm going off Alright we'll meet with some politicians Wanting to discuss how the American political system is handling this back We are in the train station in Paris. Guard de Leon.

What? It's Guard de Leon. Guard de Leon. See, these are things that I... The details I don't really pay attention to. I'm at a train station. I'm heading to Leon. Beyond that, I have no idea what time it is.

I don't know how I'm getting there. People drag me where I'm going. We're on the train. We passed the restaurant that our host said, I was hoping we would have had time to have steak free here but now it's just a dream. So instead they have a burger there that I think they microwave or steam, I'm not paying attention to it because they don't really want to know.

So I'm going to go with that. They have one salad for the five of us, so we'll each get a leaf just arrived in the own... Hello, I'm happy, enchantly, you'll be treated. I know. In a ensemble of the data, if we have done we have more freedom than we have right now. America cannot cannot.

America cannot fight this alone. I can't bigger than all of us that's going on. New York, California, Connecticut, West Virginia, and Maine. Those states are just like France. You have no way out. It's the last night in Paris. It's been an amazing trip. We were just on a barge right around the corner,

having some wine, cheese, and conversations with some freedom fighters here in France. They're all saying the same thing. We need to be encouraged. We need to be excited. We need to be empowered. this is what this is about. This is an international issue. I just said to them, if you don't stand up now, then we will lose. Well, I want to give a shout out to really those sister groups, those nonprofits

that are just like I can in the different countries that I'm visiting that are, you know, arranging these incredible events, as you saw in Paris, 50 screenings all happening at the same time so my Q&A then broadcast the different theaters and churches across France who were watching an inconvenient study. That right there was a super cool theater. It was on a barge. It's floating, so you feel it moving just a little bit while you're having the screening, doing the Q&As. But again, Louis Foucher there in France, a doctor that went through COVID has a similar story to all those that stood up for freedom. He has started a nonprofit that's very successful in France called ReInfo COVID.

That's their website, reinfoccovid.fR. Also, Xavier in France, has owned magazines, newspapers, Francois, and then also is doing legal work and funding legal work, much like the work that's being done by ICANN and Aaron Siri. So some of the approaches we're using here being mirrored in these countries. In Poland has a spectacular grassroots movement being led by a woman named Eustna Socia. And what a dynamic. Her group is called Stop Knop.

Did you know that in Poland, less than 50% of the citizens receive the COVID vaccine? Apparently, they all said, as I was traveling there, that they've been tested. They've tested their DNA, and they found that the Polish have got a rebellion gene or a rebellious gene. If you talk to the people in Poland, they all talk about this study. I'll have to look into that. I haven't seen it, but it is true. And I was saying in that speech, look what we achieved in America with 30% not getting the vaccine. We got Robert Kennedy Jr. into HHS Secretary.

imagine what you can do with 50% of your nation knowing the truth, but they're having major hardships right there in Poland. They have a law that is about to pass that is going to take away, make it illegal to have holistic health. So no herbs, vitamins, chiropractic, all of these things are going to be. This is the Lex Imposter Bill, and it's going to find one million Zloti, the Polish currency there,

to any doctor that uses what they call, pseudomedicine or science. And I was asking, they have sort of their Ron Johnsons and their rand polls there too that were really dynamic, got me into speech of the parliament, which was amazing. But they said, you know, there's a chance that passes this year, which would be horrendous. I just see it, though, as you're seeing the global establishment of the WHO, WF, UN, as I said, in different stages in Poland, it's about to become illegal for any type of holistic health. If you do not think that is not on the schedule for America, we certainly have a constitution and some laws that might get in the way. But this is the goal.

You start seeing this whole thing in a much different way. You know, if you saw, you know, those that were shooting with me from our team, these interviews, it changes you. It's changing my perspective of how serious this situation is getting around the world, which means it's gone. eventually it is on our shore. It's beating on our walls of this incredible castle or kingdom of sovereignty and freedom that we celebrate in America. I'm going to be getting deeper into that. We're going to do shows in the future, just like we did in Italy. We had such a great response from so many of you. I'm going to go through the incredible interviews that I did in France. We'll also do a show about Poland. And then I'm heading to Japan next week. That should be

unique, too, to do the same thing. If you are in Japan, I hope you'll join me, June. 21st, there's the location. You can go to that QR code or look up Zero Spike on their website to get tickets. I'm going to be doing a Q&A. There's also two days, the 20th and 21st, two days of Japanese scientists and experts discussing cutting edge technologies, but also, you know, talking about their experience of the sort of authoritarian moment they suffer through with COVID and where they're at now. So that should be really fascinating. As I travel, I just get this sense as I see all the young people in the train stations and everyone's sitting in cafes, drinking wine and thinking, man, we are all just brothers and sisters here. Why won't they just leave us alone? We don't need surveillance. We don't need AI. We don't need to be told what to do with our bodies. There's no epidemics destroying the world, only the ones that they, you know, manufacture. if you will. I'm going to get into sort of the details of that in the weeks to come.

But as all of these countries are looking to America and they're saying, I mean, they're really looking at Bobby Kennedy and Trump as though like we put Jesus Christ in office. Like somehow Bobby is going to change the world, save the world, stop their law that's going to take away, you know, holistic health in Poland or in France. Somehow Bobby's going to get rid of the mandate that takes your child away if you're going to. don't vaccinate them. And I was saying, you know, at very best, Bobby will get some stuff done, but you need to do the work now. We as people, our voices is the power right now. But as they're looking here, I do see what they see.

We are further along in this journey. We have laid better groundwork, and nothing is better evidence of that than the article that came out, came out while I was away by the Washington Post. Check this out. People ask me, you know, are we making strides? This is a mainstream paper, folks. And here's the headline. Courts may deliver the anti-vaccine movement's biggest win.

It goes on to say, I'm going to read some of the excerpts from this. Two of the most prominent anti-vaccine groups, Children's Health Defense, an informed consent action network, have spent nearly $50 million on legal expenses since 2016, according to a post-analysis of publicly available tax records. Holland, that's Mary Holland's group, CHD, spent at least $21 million, with ICANN spending at least $28 million. The head of the informed consent action network, Del Bigtree, said in the statement, we are not seeking to eliminate vaccines, but to ensure informed consent.

It goes on to say ICAN, which received donations in greater prominence during the pandemic, has paid more than 28 million illegal fees over the last decade, the series firm Syrian Glimstad. According to publicly available tax records, its website details how the group has filed losses to access federal health public records and establish vaccine exemptions. ICANN is engaged in public fundraising to support these campaigns, including a free of the five campaign to fund legal challenges on bans on religious exemptions in West Virginia, California, New York, Connecticut, and Maine. Under Kennedy, HHS has issued letters supporting religious exemptions. He goes on. In 2023, I can't successfully establish religious exemptions to vaccine requirements

Mississippi through serious legal challenge. He has also been working on cases in West Virginia to establish a similar religious exemption. One case is pending at the state Supreme Court for review after it stayed lower courts ruling. We won that, but it has been temporarily suspended in this other court. In a separate case, also from West Virginia, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit recently ruled two to one against a case here. he has worked on in a decision that could be a contender for Supreme Court review. This really ends up being the heart of what they're talking about is they see us moving towards the Supreme Court.

Let me finish the rest of this article. Series said in a statement, the goal of such cases is to bring the five outlier states in alignment with the other 45 in respecting religious liberty. These are not challenges to vaccine mandates. That is hyperbolic, he said. These cases are about the small minority of individuals in each state for whom injecting one or more vaccines would violate their deeply held religious convictions. We are heartened that courts are beginning to recognize that the rights of this minority

have been trampled upon for far too long. Bigtree said in an interview that the money I can is invested is starting to pay off as his group has the right type of case. This movement is built on the success that we've had in many ways in courtrooms. Bigtree said we have a lot of wind at our backs. The group also supported the New York case legal experts say it's most promising Miller versus McDonald, initially filed in 2023. The case centers on Amish parents who argued their children were

unfailly excluded from school since the state refuses to recognize religious vaccine exemptions. Their refusal to provide the Amish religious exemptions when the state readily provides discretionary, secular medical exemptions is unconstitutional under the First Amendment's Free Exercise Clause. One of

the filings reads, the compulsory vaccination law is in sharp conflict where their religious beliefs and their way of life. I love. I love. of this. The New York case that lies at the crux of the question could go a few ways. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit could take the Supreme Court's direction and revise its decision, essentially requiring the addition of religious exemptions in both New York and ultimately Connecticut as it is a part of the same federal circuit.

Legal watchers say that could have a domino effect with other states. The writing is on the wall, said Wendy Parmet, who co-directs Northeastern University Center for Health policy and law and is advised vaccine mandate supporters in the West Virginia Supreme Court case. It hasn't been etched in stone yet, but its direction the courts have been going on religious liberty in general and vaccines in particular. If a nation's religious exemption is instituted, it would launch a new era for vaccination policy that's much more discretionary, Parliament said. So there we are, folks.

they are now having to admit that I can in the work that we're doing and certainly CHD has been doing their work. But as you have funded us to put Aaron Siri into courtrooms, and yes, we've been totally transparent. The money we've raised, we have spent $28 million so far over the last nearly 10 years. When people ask you, what's the cost of freedom? Well, it's somewhere around $28 million. Look what we've achieved.

146 federal lawsuits, 560-minute document production secured, including the Pfizer data, the Moderna data, the V-Safe data, all is in the public's hands because of our work. Over 8 million pages released by the government, and I sue the government, which is our, you know, our T-shirts and our slogans right now, all of those different government agencies have been in our cross-errors demanding truth. And so I say to you now, if you were in France, you would be looking to the eyes of people that are terrified, that they really question, would they have enough strength at all? And I was saying, we are jealous of your ability to assemble in the streets and protest. Where are you on this? They were looking for guidance. In Poland, where they have the rebellious gene, they're looking to America. How have you achieved it? How has it been done?

And all I can say to you is it is not finished yet. If we, you know, and I am telling you, it is now more clear to me than ever, we are not through the pandemic. They are coming again. They must. You can now see the writing on the wall in these nations that are further down the road to totalitarianism than we are. And it's not by their own governments. It's by a larger growing body, whether it's the EU and then the globalist system above. Do you think America can withstand that pressure if we're the only nation?

What about our next election? What if our next president ends up having been a disciple of the WEF, like Obama or Macron? Where would that put us? Well, I tell you, if we have not set strong enough legal precedent in our courtrooms, it could reverse everything that we've achieved. It's why I am traveling the world. I am trying to spread the word. We all need to step up now.

But right now in America, as we're being watched and while we do have the wind at our backs, we must win and win decisively. And you're the one that makes that possible. So I'm going to start the show out by saying, we need you. We have had a matching program from some really wonderful sponsors. It's a $1.5 million match that is supposed to last till the end of June. We have raised $482,000 against that. that. I am telling you we do not want to find ourselves in the same positions of the countries

I just visited and we can do something about it. So please, if you haven't already, or if somehow you can donate more, or you want to bring friends into this discussion, now is the time. We'll make it easy. You can just go to the top of the page to donate. Just click on the donate button. We're looking for you to become a recurring donor. That's great. But hey, look, if you want to give one large donation, maybe somebody is retired or, you know, what have you. You know, for those of you that want to be a recurring donor, $26 a month would be wonderful. You can make it a tax deductible large gift, send that. Reach out to info at Icandecide.org, and we will, you know, work with you to do that however you see fit.

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So just incredibly impactful work that we're doing here. I'm so grateful for everyone that makes it possible. I am so grateful for our amazing team for Aaron, Siri, and his amazing team. Hopefully we're going to reach out and teach more lawyers around the world. Have Aaron work with them on what they might be able to do? I did get to meet with politicians that are on our side to discuss languageing that I gave to Robert Kennedy Jr. and strategies that have been working here in America. We have a lot of work to do, and it's just a part of our, you know, we say it, we have a multi-pronged

approach here at Highway. We're not just a media show. We also have legal. We get into courtrooms. We also, you know, have a C4 that works on legislation and works with all the great nonprofit or C4 groups out there doing legislation. I visit capitals all the time. And of course, now we are reaching out and traveling and doing a live experience everywhere we go and putting out films. So it's just been amazing. It's going to continue to be amazing. We are, as I said, living in interesting times. We should be thankful for this time we live in that we're actually needed. All right. I got a great show coming up. I've got Dave Asprey. Really, I think, the inventor of biohacking or this concept. I mean, he was there

from the very beginning and I was just talking to backstage. It is on track to be well past 100 billion, maybe even a 200 billion dollar industry moving into the future. So many people lives being changed, people getting healthier. I can't wait to talk to him about the state of biohacking. What does the future look like? But first, it's time for the Jackson Report.

Hey Jeffrey, I've got nothing but rave reviews from your show last week and I just want to say, Chill out, man. All right. This is my chair. You know, you're just visiting it, okay? They always say, don't let your understudy go on. Of course, I'm kidding.

Great work, man. Everyone said it was a great show last week. Thank you for doing it. Thank you. I have one gear. I can't help it. Welcome back. Let's talk about what's going on in America right now

because we've been really beaten by the corporate media headlines over the past two months, talking about Kennedy, not really being interested in vaccines, anymore. Everyone just kind of relaxing, chill out on the vaccine talk if you're running for midterms. And this was because of skewed erroneous polling. We found out last week that the real polls came out. Vaccines, pharmaceutical influence over the media, liability, immunity, over vaccine harms. These are all top voting issues across the board with politicians. And now the corporate media, it's really interesting to watch. They're starting to change their tune a

little bit. Here's New York Times. And they're talking about Kennedy. Once again, New York, Kennedy shows minimal engagement in vast health portfolio. It says, Mr. Kennedy has shown little interest in managing the details of the work in his department, according to multiple colleagues. Again, anonymous sources, make it up, I guess. Instead, they say he is single-mindedly focused on his top priorities, including food recommendations and pesticide exposures and hunting for evidence to support his long-held beliefs that vaccines are harmful. Yes, that's what he's there for to shake up the status quo. So, I guess, I guess he's back to work, or maybe he never left, maybe it's just some media talking about

those things. Here's one of the things he's back to work on, putting those priorities to side. He's now changing the licensing exams for doctors. So he's changing how medicine is practiced in this country, and he's adding nutrition to the doctor's licensing exams. 73 medical schools across the United States have pledged to put it not only in the curricula, but in the actual licensing exams for doctors. So perhaps we can teach these doctors now about chronic disease and the role nutrition

has in that. This is a major, so I don't know what New York Times is talking about, but what's really interesting, because the vaccine conversation is the big conversation. And we have the Atlantic here talking about the flu shot out of nowhere. It just runs this headline. Flu vaccines should not be this hard. Well, it's interesting because at the end of this month, there is an ASIP meeting, that's the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices, and that's a committee that was on again, off again, on again, and then President Trump put an executive order forward last week and said, We want to align our vaccines with the rest of the developed countries, which have only a fraction of what we have.

We don't want these mandates. We want informed decision with parental autonomy. We want disabilities to be recognized. So this put a shot across the bow to this judge. He basically reset this judge's order and put it back into the hands of the executive powers of the CDC. And so the Atlantic runs this article and says, look, because in June is typically when they talk about the flu shot at ASIP. So they're pre-empting the ASIP thing and say, look,

flu shot's not that hard. You shouldn't look at it. Don't worry about it. Just pass it. And you go in here and it's frantic. It says this. In a typical year, the process of bringing a new seasonal flu shot to the market is one of the United States' most predictable vaccine routines. Vaccine manufacturers have prepared updated versions of the animal flu shot as they normally do. The FDA has green lighted those recipes as it normally does. And normally, the next step, follow the CDC's expert advisory committee. The CDC almost always accepts ASIP's advice verbatim. It goes on to the next paragraph and it says this, although ASIP itself doesn't make policy. The CDC has depended on its guidance on vaccination for more than 60 years. That's the problem.

Six decades of status quo conflicts of interest revolving doors. And let's look. I guess, okay, so if that works and that's such a great idea, maybe take away the liability immunity. See how they work with that. But let's look at last year's flu vaccination that was rubber stamp by the FDA verbatim for the last 60 years. This is the Cleveland Clinic study. They looked at over 53,000 employees that were in the flu season. And they looked at this and said, concluded, the study was unable to find a protective influence of influenza vaccination among working age adults. And then it goes on to say that they found that influenza vaccination was associated with a higher risk of influenza when influenza activity was high. So it said when it was low, there wasn't a significant

difference. But when the high influenza activity came, kind of when you need protection, the flu shot not only failed, but the people that took the shot had a higher incidence of flu. So, I mean, let me just interrupt here for a second, Jeffrey, because if you think about how the FDA and our government treats vitamins for saying vitamin C can protect you from a cold. Like it's illegal to say that, right? It's illegal to make any claims about a natural product that's out there. But we have to sit through these claims and even have newspapers tell us you should be fast-tracking a product that not only does not work, even though you run ads saying if you're going to protect grandma or protect yourself or protect your kid,

they've got to get this product. Not only does it not work, it has now. as is being proven more and more often, reverse efficacy making, it's more likely to make you sick. You are going to catch flu more often, especially when it's serious if you take this product. Can you imagine if any natural product in the world ever had that result, what would happen? And then you have Poland saying, the only medicine to trust is, you know, drug medicine. We got to outlaw natural remedies that are putting people at risk. it's really hard to watch this hypocrisy in real time. And here we are,

what is supposed to be a first real nation that expresses freedom. And yet you can see the bias in media. And we know the truth. Anyway, I just want to lay that out. I'd like to say you're not allowed to make any claims, no drug, no, just you're all full of it. So why don't we just let the chips fall where they may?

Let's let the market decide and get out of our way. And that's what's happening. As we wait for the federal government's response. It's wait for what the ASIP's going to do. We have local towns, local counties, and even states making sure that they're pushing back. And this is out of Michigan, a local county in Michigan, and it says Michigan found a way to reduce school vaccine waivers until it backfired. It says for years they've been trying to make it harder for parents to send their kids to school unvaccinated. But those efforts have

backfired in places like St. Clair County in Michigan's conservative thumb region. Dr. Remington Nevin, the county's medical director, has declared, quote, a new era of vaccine choice. Local parents there can now bypass the usual protocols and get school vaccine waivers via email days after they fill out a brief digital form. State health officials aren't fighting it. So they're rolling over. They're not trying to push this thing anymore. Do they say why are they rolling over? I mean, why, you know, I mean, I see that they immediately are going, okay, we're going to give you more choice.

What were they saying in the article was the pressure that caused that? So parents had to take a course, basically. They had to take a course to learn how effective vaccinations were before they received their waiver. So it was kind of like the carrot and the stick thing. But the problem was, according to the article, that in these courses, in these propaganda sessions, I guess you want to call them, that the parents were becoming hostile, according to local officials, hostile, and the classes were ineffective. And so you can kind of, one plus one equals two, you probably guess why they were becoming hostile,

maybe because they're asking questions that the doctors holding the courses couldn't answer and maybe talk to that. I don't think it's hostile. They want to make it selling as physical. What it is is it was really hostile. They were asking too many questions I could not answer. I'll bet you the forceful words were get out of my practice. You're not allowed in here any longer, which is how these bullies are dealing with their lack of education, as we know, is less than two or three. By the way, internationally, every doctor had made the same thing in France. Italy, Poland, we're only trained, DDRRU admitted it. We only get trained two or three hours on vaccines out of our eight-year education process as a doctor. So, and that's the problem, right? They set a law that says, your doctor has to inform you, and then they go in with two or three hours education and find out these parents are watching the high wire.

These parents now know every ingredient of every product. They know safety trials. They know things no doctor has ever looked at in their lives. They said, just scrap it, scrap it. Our doctors are coming across like buffoons. Let's just cut this. Give them an exemption. Keep them out of the doctor's office.

It's looking really bad for us. Right. And the media and the doctor's offices, the doctors, they're peppered with propaganda from industry. This is a headline I saw. And looking at this in the post-COVID era, I thought, this is a bad idea to run a headline like this. Because people already don't trust COVID jabs. And you mix this with AI, you got a problem. new AI, this is a daily mail, a new AI vaccine could protect against all, capital all, viruses including COVID and Ebola,

cutting-edge jab technology is future-proofed against new mutations. Well, all right, you got me, you got the hook here. So you go into it, the article, and it says, dubbed universal vaccine technology, the Cambridge University-led team, believe that it could be used to develop jabs. Believe, there's your vaccine religion, believe that it could be used to develop jabs that offer a broad protection from thousands of variants of viruses. such as coronaviruses or Ebola in a single formula. All right, now we're starting to get a little crazy here. It goes on.

They're quoting the lead researcher. He says, we've converted vaccine development from being reactive to being future proof, said lead researcher professor Jonathan Heaney from the lab of viral zoonotics University of Cambridge Department of Veterinary Medicine. He says, we've overcome the problem of traditional vaccines, which have limited protection. Wow. First of all, just admitting that. statements there. Can we just, can we just read that last sentence just for a second? Wait, I thought

they were safe and effective. We've overcome the problem of all of our traditional vaccines, which have limited protection. Finally, only, you know, only as AI is taking over, they're starting to finally admit, you've been bamboozled. These things aren't doing what we've promised you they do. I'm sure that sentence, they didn't think about it very much, probably regret having printed that. Exactly. So they've overcome it. The limited protection's been overcome. and they found protection with one shot for all viruses apparently, including Ebola coronavirus. So let's go to the study because that's a big statement that we're being made there by the Daily Mail. And you see this study here.

Dose escalation clinical trials, a human trial, it's called a pan-sabric co-virus vaccine, Sabrecovirus vaccine. And that is basically means a catch-all. COVID-1, SARS-CoV-2, that's the COVID we know. and then the one from 2003 and Ebola, whatever they want. So you go into this study, the first thing I want to teach people to do is you go to the conflicts of interest because the guy making those statements that the Daily Mail was picking up on,

Jonathan Heaney, you go to the conflicts of interest in this study, well, there he is right there. He's a shareholder in the company of this vaccine. And then you look at the other conflicts of interest, and you have up to basically seven people there that are researchers listed on this study are either employees of the actual company or our shareholders of the company. So take that to start the conversation and frame it.

But let's go into the study because they made some sweeping claims about its protective abilities. So it says the primary outcomes, primary, were safety and retrogenicity. Okay, that's great. Let's start with safety. Let's look at that.

I wish they would have started with Hep B for kids. We would have been getting somewhere. Documented by solicited and unsolicited adverse events, serious adverse events and adverse events of special interest. Secondary outcomes. All right, here we go. efficacy. That's how effective this thing is.

Where immunogenicity measured primarily by humoral responses to SARS-CoV-1 and COVID-2 antigens. So, okay, so no clinical endpoints. We're not doing challenge studies. We're not doing infection rates. We're not doing transmission data. We're looking at antibody levels. Okay. All right.

So, and we know that antibody levels alone are not correlate to protection. They didn't really serve us during COVID. when we were told 100% effective vaccines on just antibody levels when they were measuring those in the studies. But, okay, that's what we're basing this on. Well, let's see how many people. Maybe they enrolled a lot of people. This might be a really powered study. It says the findings. Between December 2021 and 2023, a total of 39 volunteers were vaccinated. 39. And I want to bring someone, you bring your attention to this, too, 2021 and 2023. There was a raging Omicron variant. That was the, the COVID.

pandemic was still going on and in this study the people were getting had received two and three vaccines of those no way volunteers so the people in the study had already taken other vaccines other COVID vaccines two and three was the quote and so let's read let's keep on reading because they explain it it says interpretation of immunogenicity outcomes was influenced by high baseline antibody levels and heterogeneous exposure histories remember exposure to COVID because it was going around at that point due to ongoing waves of Omicron variant infections during recruitment, whoops, which differed across the dose escalation cohorts and introduced

unavoidable immune bias. You don't say. Well, if you're just looking at immune levels and you have unavoidable immune bias, that's not good for your study, but we'll continue. Let's go to an image here. Our 39 people had had like every vaccine available. They were catching COVID like wildfire. They were sick as dogs over and over again, and somehow in there, we were just going to try and see if we were getting any antibody production from our brand new world-saving, all-inclusive vaccine. All right. Got it. Exactly. That's pretty much how it looked. And so you take this image from the study, and you can see here, I mean, it's a complex image, there's a lot going on, but the bottom line is all of those, they're baseline, they're straight across.

So you can see not much variation across all of those. image when it comes to the antibody levels, this immune response elicited from this vaccine, this needle-free vaccine. Not much going on. In fact, I'll let the authors talk about this image better than I can. They say this, the magnitude of change in neutralizing titers was small, suggesting that the neutralizing potency at these dose levels may not be sufficient for broad protection. So they're telling you right there that, hey, we didn't really get enough antibody neutralizing levels to actually have broad protection. This thing may not even work. It did something, but we don't know what it did, and it didn't do much of it.

Right. So let's go back to these headlines, because I want to really drill this into people's head. Here's another headline of this miraculous vaccine. You just looked at the study. Now, here's the headline. AI design vaccine halts future virus mutations. That's what they got from that. But we're really having no effect whatsoever, but the telegraph is like, this is amazing. We should go out and celebrate. It's all the thing. Here's another one. design vaccine could protect against viruses like Ebola Ebola wasn't even in there what are they talking about what study they're looking at and then it just gets even worse new AI design vaccine could prevent pandemics and save millions of lives scientists say now you're getting out of hand

scientists let's just calm down millions of lives what what from from from not much protection from the mean bias we had to go all the way to the united arab emirance for an article that is actually accurate with no spin here it is human trials of AI design vaccine yield limited immune response. On to the next story. Okay, good. Glad someone. I'll have to visit there.

Maybe I'll get a different story if we could go to United Emirates. Maybe they're allowed to have real headlines. Amazing. It certainly appears their journalists are really level-headed. Let's finish off with a story to bring some level-headedness to a conversation. I'm seeing a lot of social media information. influencers pressing the new world screw worm, which sounds really crazy. It sounds really scary. And a lot of people have been contacting us to say, what's going on with this? Is the world going to

end? Is meet over? I mean, are we just all going to die from this thing? Well, Secretary USDA, Brooke Rollins, she came out just this week for the latest update. It has been found in Southern United States. Just a couple cases. This is what she had to say. Okay. Last Wednesday, of course, June 3rd, USDA confirmed the president. of a New World Screw Worm case within the United States here in Texas in the umbilical wound of a calf in Zavala County in Southern Texas where I'll be heading actually I'll be down there on Thursday. The calf has been treated and is recovering. Then on June 5th, just two days later, we confirmed a second positive detection in a 30-day old calf, also located just a few miles away in Zavala County. Yesterday, USDA confirmed two additional cases, one in Texas in a calf in LaSalle County and another in Leia County, New Mexico in a dog that we are hearing has been moved up from Mexico. And today, just a couple of hours ago, we had an additional confirmation in a goat in Gillespie County, Texas. These developments obviously represent a serious

threat to our livestock and wildlife, but they haven't caught us off guard. We have been tracking this pest for a long time and we have fought before and we will do so again. I think it sounds kind of serious. Yeah, yeah. And the U.S. response, as I'm going to get into, has been fairly measured in common sense. You know, coming from COVID, we really have a magnifying glass on these responses because the exaggeration of the COVID response, clearly we know how that ended up. So we're always watching this.

And just give a background of this. It's called NWS, New World Screw Worm. Let's go to CBS. They give kind of a teenager TikTok account version of what this is. Take a look. Okay. The discovery of the New World Screwworm Fly back in the U.S. The name kind of gives away why this fly is a problem.

The fly finds an open wound or even a scratch on an animal or a person, and that's where it lays its eggs. The fly then develops by feeding off of that host. It can be incredibly painful for animals. fatal in some cases, we've been holding off the fly for years from Panama. Scientists developed away in the 60s to breed sterile screw worm flies. Then when they would drop them out of airplanes, by the millions, the flies out in the wild were unable to reproduce. Using that strategy, they pushed this fly south out of the United States, out of Mexico,

all the way down through Central America, using that exact same strategy. So it's been around since the late 1800s. So farmers, ranchers, cattlemen, they've dealt with this. People's grandfathers and great-grandfathers, they dealt with this for a very long time. In 1966, the US eradicated it from the United States with this sterile fly technique. It's highly effective. And in the US, it's a slow motion situation. So again, it's not like COVID where we're seeing things out of China, videos out of China,

where people are just dropping over in subways and things like that. we're seeing, it's a very slow motion situation. So in 2025, just about a year ago, the US suspended southern border livestock. So we knew it was in Mexico, it had been moving up from Panama, made its way to Mexico, so we did that. That was a common sense measure.

And then in January, Governor Abbott, knowing kind of the writing on the wall as this slow motion wave was coming, he issued a disaster declaration. And he said this, although the New World Screwroom Fly is not yet present in Texas or the US, northward spread from Mexico toward the U.S. southern border posed a threat so that put more

funds out. That also gave more funds for alert systems and for testing and also to release more of those flies to try to combat this. And then of course just this this week Abbott went to full disaster, state disaster issued for all of Texas after the screw impasse found in south Texas, as Brooke Rollins described. But I want to talk about the history of this a little bit just to understand where we're where it's come from so in 66 in the US it eradicated from from the country and we that that that fly method basically the sterile fly method was so effective that we started using that in in collaboration with Mexico and with the southern countries and this is a t-shirt from the USDA I thought it was kind of

cool this is a old t-shirt they use just for propaganda purposes really to show what we're doing that's Mexico and it was showing each year they started moving that system that sterile fly system down you can see it pushed it all the way back to what they called the barrier that was in Chiapas Mexico and in Chiappas Mexico they they built a facility to breed these sterile flies to kind of make it a beachhead there ground zero to push it further south and you can see here's another here's another picture from the USA's website from the year 2000 that was so successful that they basically closed the Chiapas plant and they moved it to

Panama so they in Pecora Panama So they kept pushing it south and south and south. And it was working. It was great until, according to Newsweek, this is what happened. How did we get here? Was this Bill Gates? Was this Klaus Schwab? Is he releasing these things?

How a favored migrant route became invasive species superhighway to U.S. It says between 2021, 2021, 2024, more than 1.2 million migrants crossed the Darien, that's the Darien gap, according to data from Panama's national migration services. U.S. officials believe that the mass movement contributed to operational breakdowns in the region's screw worm control infrastructure, while the root cause of screwworms northward march remain understudy, scientists suspect, combination of human migration, illegal animal movement and weather patterns. And I want to add to also the lockdowns during COVID was that during that time. So you probably had a lot less people reporting. You had these facilities, people are probably

staying at home. These facilities weren't working well. So it's kind of like a perfect storm. So now what are we doing? Well, it's here in the US, starting to be here in the US in August of last year, So less than a year ago, the U.S. committed 750 million to build a Texas facility to a breeding facility in Texas here. So this will be a first. They're going to put this right on the border basically in southern Texas to start this progression again. This, again, highly effective with these flies. They just broke ground with it in April. The Army Corps of Engineers is building it.

So it's a priority mission. It's not going to be like a kind of a corporate drag on. They're going to try to build as fast as possible. Hopefully it will be within about a year. And then the FDA approves over-the-counter ivermectin injectable for animals. This is highly effective for animals just under the skin subcutaneous, and this can help with this problem. And so we have a lot of mitigation efforts happening. Like Brooke Rollins said, that the U.S. has fought this.

It's no stranger to this. We know how to do this. There's just a lot of disruption from 2021 to 2024, which really there's a delicate balance there in keeping these things in check these flies and it looked like it was broke. So getting back on track with this, and I want to add too, these flies don't, they don't overwinter. So anybody that has, that's why it's in the southern United States, New Mexico, Florida, it's been found once in Texas.

If you're in a state that has winter, it kills the flies and you're not gonna have these problems. So the problem is, this is where our meat, a lot of the meat is in Texas, so that's a big problem for the meat industry, which already has pressure. So that could be another issue, because there's already a lot of pressure, with what's going on in Iran, what's going on with the net zero push to end meat.

So this just adds another straw on that camel's back. So we'll be keeping an eye on those developments. It's really interesting, Jeffrey, actually, as you're going through this story, is challenging a position I've been pretty comfortable holding. We've talked about releasing, sterilizing mosquitoes. In fact, I think we were even contemplating, talking about that story as it's happening in California and Florida right now, as we see. And I'm always like, you know, messing with nature, what could possibly go wrong?

And yet I'm looking at this story, you know, from the 1960s. This has been a successful program. And, you know, it looked like it worked. We didn't see some outrageous collapse in the environment around sterilizing these flies. So it makes me, I mean, it's one of those moments. I just want to say to people on the high wire, you know, we try to really stay as objective as possible. I think I have to re-look at some of the way that I'm seeing things. You know, obviously science has its place, and if this can protect our cattle,

but look, if you're out there and you're like, Dale, you have no idea the disaster that was created by this program is growing because of blah, blah, blah. Certainly, anytime you have something like that, you can reach out to us at info at Icandecide.org. We're always looking for another angler information. Maybe we haven't seen the whole picture. But great reporting there. I also want to point out, Jeffrey, you know, just a couple of weeks ago, in the middle of the question on the relationship between Robert

Kennedy Jr. and Donald Trump, I said, I know the media is telling us that they aren't getting along, that the Trump administration is afraid of the concept of vaccines. And I said, look, I still believe Donald Trump cares about this issue. We showed all the times that he had stated it in his own presidential campaigns. And while I was a way to watch that executive order that he signed. I mean, I think for everyone out there, is everything he's doing perfect, you know, certainly not. I don't know that anyone can be perfect. But boy, it really did deflate the mainstream narrative that Trump is afraid of discussion of vaccines and has got like Bobby hogtied in a basement somewhere hiding from vaccines. He kind of unearthed that by mentioning, you know, vaccines in an

executive order saying, I want Bobby to stay on track with what we had him doing. I want a mirror pure nations. So we should all take heart in that. I was saying that in Europe who were asking, it looks like it's all falling apart. I was like, really? Do you see that executive order last week? So I, you know, I just want to say we kind of predicted that, Jeffrey, and I was really happy to see Donald Trump moving in that direction, certainly, you know, giving some cover or some support to Robert Kennedy Jr., which obviously we're huge fans. Great reporting, Jeffrey. Once again, thank you for all the reporting you do. Thank you for stepping up. I know it's a lot to add your plate to come in and try and run the show,

and I really appreciate you doing that so that we could get out there and spread the word around Europe. So it's been very helpful. Yeah, right. You got it, though. All right, cool. I'll see you next week. You know, messing with nature, right? This idea, look, it obviously with screw worms, maybe there's a time and place.

Maybe is it natural, is it not natural? You know, where is that balance? I think, you know, my next guest is on the cutting edge of what that balance is for human beings. This idea of biohacking. So many people are moving in this direction, hundreds of millions of dollars every year, people extending their lives.

Is it possible? Is it in balance with nature's against nature? I'm going to ask a lot of those questions because I have them of my next guest. This is Dave Asprey. Take a look. He is the father of biohacking. The father of biohacking.

He's the founder and CEO of Bulletproof Coffee. He is a two-time. New York Times bestselling author. I've read a lot of his books, followed a lot of his teaching. He really opened my eyes to the entire world of biohacking and longevity and anti-aging and life extension. The ultimate biohacker by good friend,

Dave Asprey. I am actually a Silicon Valley computer hacker by training. It said, if I can control that crazy system, why can't I do this? So I build the lab and I try all this equipment. I went through a lot of health stuff. Before I was 30, I had most of the diseases of aging, arthritis, high blood sugar, prediabetes, high risk of stroke and heart attack.

It was pretty bad. I was so desperate for my health in my 20s. I started running an anti-aging longevity nonprofit group near Stanford University. So I was learning how to maintain my health from people in their 80s who could run circles around me. I've run a neuroscience clinic for now 12 years where the world's top performing executives and athletes and celebrities come and do decades of meditation in five days with computers attached

to their heads. Clinically, this thing is shown to trigger healing to cause stem cells to grow more naturally in the body and to raise nitric oxide to increase circulation in the body. It's not fair that only celebrities and special forces get access to this.

This is technology that should be and now will be available for everyone. I'm going to live to 180, so I went... 180. That's my goal. Some say that's not scientifically possible for humans. I'm totally willing to die trying.

Old age means I look good, I feel good, I'm independent, and I'm wise because I've learned from my mistakes. And I'm still having good sex. That's great. And oh, and you're eating bacon. Like life is good. Well, I mean, he's world famous, one of the leading voices in natural health, biohacking, so many books, millions of follow.

It's really an honor and pleasure to be joined by Dave Asprey right now. Thank you for coming on. Thank you, my friend. You just got done with a huge biohacking conference right here in Austin. I heard nothing but rave reviews, best speakers in the world, best presenters, and also the technologies you're bringing into this are cutting edge. It's incredible. I have 150 or so vendors bringing things that are making people younger and smarter and faster

and more peaceful. Because this nervous system dysregulation that comes from messing up your biology, and it comes from maybe non-consensual injections, and maybe not. Maybe it comes from toxic mold. Maybe it comes from all the crap in our food that's allowed without any testing, like glyphosate and things like that. So we're not sure all of the reasons. I think as biohackers, we have an exhaustive list of things that are contributors, but what would mess with you or me?

That's genetic and environment. And that's what biohacking is all about. So let me, one of my, you know, as I've been sort of traveling, I'm very specific on the vaccine issues. We don't need to get deep into that. But one of my concerns with mainstream medicine is I believe it makes a mistake when it starts playing God. I would say of vaccines, I think doctors are amazing when they put us back together in ERs. Maybe if you have, you know, deadly cancer, cutting it out, you know, extreme, when you find yourselves in an extremely dangerous situations, doctors. can be great, but they turn this corner with vaccines, I think, where they're going to improve

on the human body, improve on the immune system that has kept us alive for millennia. That's where I start having an issue. And, you know, some of my concern with biohack is this idea that can we improve on the human body? Is that not playing the same game? What are your thoughts on that? Well, biohacking, when I came up with this concept, it's the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you so you have control over your state. You have control of your biology.

And you get to decide how much control you want to have. And there are a few, I would say, crazy people out there who are saying, I would absolutely pluck my eyeballs out for cameras and cut off my arms for missile launchers. That is not biohacking. That is bodily mutilation. Okay. Right. But I do think that you have a moral obligation to fully use your God-given faculties. And I know after a dozen years of running a neuroscience clinic where I'm teaching people how to make their brains work better, all of them come out better.

90% of people, after five days of a computer, helping them learn how to make their brain work, 90% say, my relationships magically improved. And all I did was learn more about myself. So if we can connect more deeply to our biology, we can learn all the things. It's amazing, you eat a bunch of french fries, you have inflammation for 48 hours, and it makes you more likely to yell at your wife. Maybe the french fries aren't what God wants you to eat.

Right, sure. Right? So this idea that if the body is a temple, we should learn how to maintain the temple and make it work at its full power. Okay, that's step one in biohacking. Step two, sometimes things don't work well in your body. So I have about, well, two different genetic things. They give me about 20x the odds of having autism

compared to the average person. Part of that gene cluster also means that my body likes to make a lot of connective tissue and it sticks together all the time and creates pain. I've had my entire life. I manage the crap out of those things. And that means, I would say if I could go in and I could, I'm gonna make you really mad,

if I could get a properly tested and publicly studied and no lies, mRNA vaccine that turned off that form of hyper mobility in my joints. I would absolutely do it. And I think that God would say, great job taking care of your temple. You just repainted the walls and it's a good deal. But I'm not putting machine parts in and I'm not letting Mark Zuckerberger, anyone else, have malware in my electric eyeballs. That's insane. Let me just also add, I wouldn't have any problem with that either as long as it's always your choice to inject that. Yes. It's never forced on me. And for sure, it's not going to shed out of

Your pores into me would be the things that I would want sort of test it around that. Yes. That would need to be like first and foremost. And it's really, I don't understand, Del, if someone has the right to stick things in your body without your consent, according to this thing called self-defense, they're granting you the right to stick things in their body without their consent. That's called stabbing someone. So let's not do that because this is the basis of individual liberty, the First Amendment, like the whole thing there is there's nothing in the Constitution that says the government shall stick things in your body for you. It's just there was no right ever granted for any authority to do this. So when some weird agency says they have a right to say you have to do something like that, I'm like, it's not in the Constitution, it's not a right you have.

You can claim all sorts of rights, but that gives me the right to claim all sorts of crazy rights too. So as biohackers, I stay out of politics as much as I can, but I do say anytime there's someone that increases medical freedom, all I want to do is live the best possible life where I can be of most service to others for as long as I choose. And I think it's going to be 180 years, minimum for me. And I think it could be for you too. We're facing this dawn of longevity. And how dare any government or any company on the planet tell me what I'm allowed to do

on that path? How dare they? You do your own body. Yeah. I agree. So where do you see the government coming in? Should it come in at all? You know, for instance, let's talk about, you know, peptides. Some seem really pretty simple. Others like Ozempic, we're seeing serious side effects. Maybe dose is a huge part of it. Stem cells. I'm still curious about stem cells. On one hand, I have friends that have had miraculous healing of sports injuries and everything else.

I see other people like going to Mexico and having stem cells injecting their eyeballs. And I just, you know, I ask myself, isn't there a place for regulatory involvement? Is it a place where, you know, every, you know, one, one biohacking expert is probably not as talented as another. One doctor or a scientist or one product is not as good as another? Where do you weigh in on it? Because as you just said, biohacking, I think. on one hand is pioneering, you know, new realms of health. But there are risks to many of these things because some of it has had very little long-term safety studying.

So what are your thoughts on how do we navigate that? Especially as people that aren't as well-read, maybe. Here's an idea. So let's take the amount of long-term safety studies required for vaccines and apply that standard of peptides. Let's do that. Five days, no placebo group, we're good to go. That's like hundreds of billions of dollars. And the biohacking business that I started, the industry, is scheduled to be a $200 billion market

because people are so interested in living longer and feeling good and getting their energy back and not just feeling exhausted. So if the government is allowed to force you to get a vaccine, whether it might work or not, is not relevant, just that they have that right to force you to do it without any testing. How can they, in this, out of the same mouth, say, you're not allowed to use a peptide because it's untested. I just want the same standards, either that, or if they're, if they're going to try and say both of those statements out of the same mouth, nothing coming out of that mouth is

worth listening to for anyone with an IQ above 85. Sure. Literally, do you call the FDA to see if anything is safe, or do you go to Reddit and see what people say? It's true. I mean, like at this point, I think if anyone is believing that the FDA, certainly up until this administration, maybe there's some adjustments. But as I was just saying to Europe, they said, how are things going for Bobby?

I always said to every audience, Bobby has 50,000 employees, 49,995 of them are against him. Dill, I also have to say, Bobby invited me to interview Marty, the former head of the FDA, on stage in front of 500 people. And my first question was, so, Marty, do you know, what big pharma company you're going to go to work for when you're done here. And he laughed. And he wasn't offended at all. I'm a surgeon.

I've never done this before. And I talked to him and his lieutenants, you know what? These are good human beings working to improve an agency. And I know everyone there's not evil. I've had lots of interactions with the FDA. I've built a $100 million business making food. So you always meet the FDA. There's food safety stuff they're really good at.

And I'm grateful for. And there's also pharmaceutical industry harassment built into the business model. And I'm sure I make myself a target by saying that. Okay. But the reality is drugs and food are not the same thing. And if you put them in the same regulatory body, you create a problem. Right. And 20% of food, perhaps the most important, which is dairy and beef and meat, isn't even in the same agency.

So the FDA controls 80% of food, but the other 20% can just be soaked in poison from the USDA. So what I do is I'd peel the drugs out and put them under a drug. drugs are and peel the food out and put them under a food czar. And then we can get some real progress going here. And I do think there are lots of people who intend to do well, but when you have perverse incentives, the FDA has a track record of misbehaving to the point of slowing down longevity research, slowing down cancer research, and preventing people from doing the things they choose to do to prevent themselves from dying.

And case in point, back in 2008, I was a co-founder of the first company to be able to test implant materials for a specific type of immune rejection. There was a boy, about eight, who was dying because he got a chest expander put in, made out of allegedly titanium. And we found out it was an allergy. And his surgeon called us in the middle of the night and said, all right, let's get him one that's safe. Oh, no, the FDA hasn't improved that in the U.S. It's approved in Europe, but not here. So a kid could die. So we had to do all this paperwork to get a compassionate exemption and grateful the FDA did that. Why? Why do Americans not going to do that? the right to buy any medical implant, anywhere on the planet that we choose to do with our doctors,

why do I need my government's permission? I agree with that completely. I agree with that. It's BS. And when we talk about peptides, the FDA's approved 100 peptides. People don't know that insulin's a peptide, GLP1's a peptide. There's a long list of drugs that are fully approved peptides. You can't say peptides are safe.

You can't say peptides are unsafe. It's like saying medicines are safe or unsafe or foods are safe or unsafe. And what Bobby did, which I am really impressed with, he said, well, wouldn't it be weird if we did science? And he's the only person in government have ever seen do this. And he actually said this to me across a table. He said, well, I just want to see real science. Maybe some of these vaccines work. Maybe they don't.

Right. Right. But if they don't do the science, I don't know. And he applied exactly the same standard to peptides, which I actually support the FDA doing this. Yeah. Hey, let's see whether BPC-157 does what every athlete who uses it swears it does. Yeah. And there's a form of evidence that has been deprecated in the FDA.

And what that means is if doctors notice that something works, that's called clinical evidence, and it's exceptionally valid. That observation has a value. Yeah. And if a hundred doctors say, you know what, I noticed accidentally that everyone who takes, I don't know, this sheep dewormer that's on the WHO list back when the WHO meant something. Yeah. But then, okay, that's meaningful. Maybe you should try it too because the downside isn't very high.

But this double-blind placebo-controlled nonsense? Yeah. Well, it's good data. It's just very expensive. And requiring that as the only standard is just a tool of big pharma. I will trust 100 longevity doctors who've noticed that this changes lab work before I will listen to any bulletin from any government agency about anything because the frontline workers making us live longer, making our brains work better, those are the people who know it works. It doesn't matter

how many big pharma companies pay how many billions of dollars in bribes to say something works. The doctor injecting the thing and seeing it doesn't work over and over and over. He's the guy I trust and he's the guy that your listener should trust too. This is actually where I think modern technologies could really come in and we could get the government out of it. Whether it's blockchain technology, let me put all my data, all my medical data into blockchain, but have companies anonymize it? What if I'm taking it? I mean, how many people, by the biohacking world,

in natural health world, I think most of us would say, I'm going to try this thing, and I have no problem having my data analyzes. Like, no, if it cures me, great. If it doesn't, if I have issues, put it into a pool, and we can start seeing, you know, this, you know, information coming out and saying across this many people that used it, this many people found this success.

This is the many that were harmed. We don't really actually need government agencies that tend to just be vulnerable to corporate funding and corruption. Why can't we use AI or blockchain or these things and say, hey, why do we all become a community involved in this process together? You know what's happening? There's a company called NIL in the crypto space. NIL is their token. And what they do is they allow you to have your medical. data that's yours to allow another company to access your data and run

processing and compute things on it without ever on encrypting the data so it's still your data they got value from your data but they never got a copy of it right so you can let them access your genome without seeing your genome and it sounds impossible but thank you math yeah so I did an episode with the creator of this on my podcast because we talked exactly about the health care uses of this. And yes, we can already do this today. And there are groups doing this all over the place. A number of WhatsApp groups of people with rare conditions. The FDA says, well, the standard of care is this. And these people are saying, but this makes me sick. I can't do that. Right.

Right. Well, they're taking care of themselves. And they're also going over to Reddit. And they're also putting things together even with AI. On GitHub, there's a bunch of stuff. So whether regulators or Big Pharma or Big Food likes it or not, you and I are always going to say, I eat this, I feel good. And when I eat that weird fake vegan meat thing, it ruins my, well, I'm not going to say what it ruins. But let's just talk about it. And so this human knowledge is actually getting better and better.

I've never been more hopeful. And I want the government to do its job, which is how about nothing spoiled and how about labels are truthful? Right. What's in here is what I've been told is in here. And that's an FTC thing. It's not even an FDA thing. Wow.

And FTC's job is actually really. important. Companies who lie can go out of business and they can go to jail, right? That's good. We need that. So if someone's selling shady peptides that are just potato starch or whatever the heck they're putting in there, the person doing that stuff is breaking the law by lying about their product. So I'm all in on the FTC and the FDA, maybe it could be advisory instead of forcing and then everything gets good. And I'm happy to have a stamp on anything I make that says the FDA doesn't like this because nobody cares. Do you have concerns?

You have a brain. It's obvious in reading your writing, in hearing you speak. You do incredibly extensive research on the things that, certainly that you're going to do with your body or things that you're going to recommend. But you and I both know,

there's people that come in and they're just so used to following what their doctor said or following what the news says. And they go, oh, I'm moving over this new space. I'm reaching out, but they don't change that way that approached something. They don't actually go and do an investigation of their own.

They're going to say Dave Asprey took it or so-and-so took it or I saw an ad. So what is your recommendation to, you know, that person or even those that are just like, I'm so busy, how do I know that I'm making a safe choice or the right choice for me? How does someone new come in and work with this information? I'm going to confess something. I have a Ford Raptor, and I'm not an expert in trucks. I have a buddy who really likes trucks. So I called him up and said, what should I buy?

And then I bought it. And I'm happy. Yeah. It's fast. Okay. So it's okay to rely on someone who has done a lot of work who you trust, whether it's a friend, whether it's an expert, whether it's an influencer. Unfortunately, most physicians have zero training in longevity and two hours of training and nutrition.

So their credibility is not high. unless they have done additional training. I run a longevity medical practice with a guy who's worked on two presidents of countries. So there are great doctors out there, but the average doctor is working very hard. They have three minutes per patient, and they're not going to be able to give you this kind of advice.

So then you say, do I want to hire a dietitian? They're the ones who designed your hospital meal. They're no good. So do you want to hire a nutritionist? Maybe. And maybe you don't have money to do that, which most of us don't. So maybe you actually want to go to AI.

And I would absolutely do this. In fact, I do do this. And there's two of them that stand out as being more accurate than others. The worst of all would be Google, because Google is absolutely programmed, as far as I can tell, by Big Pharma. It's exceptionally angry about any suggestion of the stuff that you and I talk about that we know works because we see it every day. And then, unfortunately, in chat GPT is the most sociopathic, narcissistic and pretty much woke AI out there. So what's left is Claude and Grock. And you can go into either one of those with the right prompt,

and you can say, you know what, I don't know what's going on. I scraped together a couple hundred bucks. I did an online lab test. And here's what my symptoms are. Here's what I've got going on. Here's what I notice. Here's what I want to make better. Maybe there's nothing wrong.

I lose focus at two in the afternoon. I don't want to rely on a red bull anymore. What is a better strategy? It will do a great job. Really? Oh, it's not just a great job. Here's a really cool study just popped into my head. They took a group of people who needed to lose weight.

They matched them out with a bunch of others. This is a real medical study. One group, they said work with your doctor, and then this is all tracked. Another group, work with your doctor, but your doctor has AI. Third group, work just with AI. Which group lost the most weight?

The one with just AI. Really? The AI alone beat the doctors, right? And it's not that doctors are not good. If I break my leg, I'm gonna go to the doctor. to my point if I need you to put me back together. Yeah, if a snake bites me, I'll go to the doctor to heal from the snake bite, and I'll go to the shaman or the priest or whatever to figure out why the snake bit me.

You get over the trauma. Yeah, like, why did I do that? Right. But it becomes this not so complex situation when you just say, hey, what and why? And here's the trick that no one knows about. God, I sound like AI wrote that for me. It's horrible. All this AI writing is infecting our minds.

But this really is the trick. You go to your favorite AI and you have it write up a protocol for you. And then you copy that and you paste into another AI and say, shoot holes in this. And you make them fight with each other, right? You just on the free services. And what you're going to get is about what you would have spent hundreds of dollars with an expert for. It's not the same. And I've got an AI that's part of the subscription thing on upgrade labs.

There's a literally almost every functional doctor now. So I have an AI trained on my data. And if not, they can listen to all the episodes of your show, all the episodes of my show. There's a lot of info out there. And the reality is, it's some people have been programmed that they're not safe unless someone in a white lab coat tells them to do it. My parents are like that. Yeah. The reality is the guys in the white lab coats are controlled by the people of the insurance industries.

They take away their licenses and they fire them if they don't do as they're told. Yeah. But that's not how they treat their own parents. So I just would ask for compassion for doctors. The average age of retirement in the U.S. for doctors is now in their mid-40s. They're saying, I'm done, I can't handle this. I'm not allowed to heal people. I came into this to help people.

So the insurance companies are controlling the lab coat. Do you trust it now? Right. Yeah. No. And I would also say, you know, my investigation in the universities that train these doctors, more and more is just funded by pharma. And we're really, you know, I've seen.

say in audiences, your doctors essentially are just drug dealers or drug reps, if you will, if it's a nicer term. Every solution is a pill instead of an investigation to something you can do to maybe change your lifestyle, which is the heart of biohacking. It is, it is the heart of biohacking. And I've made some doctors angry and some high five me. But I say, look, you're a doctor. You know things I don't know.

I've studied systems biology. I had to recover from weighing 300 pounds and a bunch of things wrong with me. So I'm an unlicensed biohacker. And what that means is you can't take away my license for speaking the truth. And the doctors who are the good ones, the longevity doctors, the functional doctors, the ones who actually somehow find time to learn the stuff and then apply it to patients, they'll stand up and cheer and say, yes, like, let's do this. And the people are saying, I have the prescription pad.

I have learned to do a flow chart and it makes it man. So you got to know what kind of doctor you have. So I think doctors have been treated terribly poorly by their own licensing agency. I agree with that. The AMA, the FDA, the insurance companies. And I have nothing but compassion there. And I think we really need to let doctors turn into healers again. I think they'll have to do them their own.

But when they finally get around to that, I'll start listening again. You know, of all the things that you've, you know, so many different machines and technologies and, you know, peptides and stem cells. You know, last year you decided to write a book focused on meditation, which is something that I talk about lightly is a big part of my life. And people say, you know, how do you, you know, what's your secret sauce for me? I said, I think for me being able to control my own mind and stop the chatter is a huge, it's been a huge advantage in my life.

but your book, highly meditated? Is it heavily, heavily meditated? Yeah. Tell me why that book and what it is you want people to understand about meditation. Well, back in my 20s when I was 300 pounds, I also had PTSD because I was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck. So you come into the world, think that something's trying to kill you. You never set that down because it's not a thought.

It's just a feeling. And autism, I was diagnosed with Asperger's, and I don't have that diagnosis anymore. Congratulations. I still have a weird brain. It's just a really good weird brain. But I went through all these things, and half the path was, I gotta fix my biology.

I don't want my needs to have arthritis anymore. I don't want all the GI stuff and the brain fog and chronic fatigue and all that. I need to fix it, but at the same time, I am angry and I'm anxious all the time. I don't even know it. So I led two paths. One, I'm going to remote parts of Nepal and Tibet and the jungles.

and studying with the masters. I'm one class away from a minor in religious studies in my undergrad when I was studying tech. And so my journey has been simultaneously in the spiritual realm and in the Silicon Valley TechBrow realm in the data center industry, in the virtualization, computer security. I was a computer hacker.

And when I started the movement around biohacking, my goal was to make young people care about longevity by putting it in words that they would care about, and to make everyone care about becoming more conscious. And the sad truth is that most of us are too busy to think about living a long time until we're old and sick. And we don't really think about consciousness because it's probably good enough and more busy.

But if you realize you might have more time than you think, wow, it might be a good investment to become more aware of myself, to become more peaceful and to become more powerful because I'm going to have to be here for maybe 100 years of actually having a working brain. I think it's a good investment now. So after all that training, maybe a dozen years ago, I started a company called 40 Years

of Zen. And people flying from all over the world, sometimes on their jets, and we hook their brains up to a computer. And I show them how to meditate in a way that very specifically turns off anything that triggers them. And they come out of this five days later, 90% of them say relationships are improved. And all the other things around anxiety and depression, which we're not cheating. It just happens to go, or we're not treating that.

It just goes away in its own. But all the things that make you unhappy go down. All things that make you happy are more satisfied and more focus and powerful, they go up. So wow, you can take your car into a mechanic and they can change some settings on the chip and now it's a faster car. I might have done that in my truck.

And you can do the same with your brain. And I've been doing this for 10 plus years. So based on this, I can tell you where the ego comes from biologically. It's a rational thing. And my book heavily meditated became the best-selling philosophy book in the country, even though it's a book about meditation and altered states. And my motivation, I don't have 20 years to live in a cave or to move into a monastery.

I have things to do. So how do I compress 40 years of that into five days? And I've done 24 weeks of having my brain hooked up to a computer and meditating for five days at a time. And the difference is incredible because I'm not a jerk anymore, at least not as big of one. What, uh, there are some people that I run into that have different varying spiritual backgrounds that are concerned that meditation, they're told, opens up a portal to darkness, to Satan, to, you know, evil, you know. They're totally right. Yeah? meditation opens a portal.

You get to control where it goes. Okay. Which portal you're opening? You don't open a portal to the divine, right? You use the altered state of meditation. But if your heart is full of all the anger and all the things that you learn about in church, the seven deadly sins, all of those things, well, of course the portal's going to go there. But if you think an evil guy prays that he's not connecting to all that evil stuff, that's a little bit naive. Because we all know people who go to church and are not good people.

Right. So meditation is simply the practice of changing the state. And I'm talking, I measure these brain states. It is routine for people when they're going through hours and hours of meditating with a computer showing them, here's how to open your portal. But they're having incredibly profound spiritual experiences. And the thing that turns off all the triggers in your body is actually forgiveness. And the religion that is based on forgiveness would be Christianity. So I'm teaching people how to be. to forgive at a level that goes down to their bones, right? And it is routine for people to say, I feel like I experience God. And this is not demonic stuff. I'm not saying that they did or didn't. That is up between them and God. But what I'm saying is they say it a lot. And I teach people when it feels right for them, well, why don't you just to double check

that you actually forgave that person, you know, set down the sword, all the stuff that's in the Bible, although this is not a religious program at all. I don't take any religious sides. I just say, well, why don't you see if just having a connection with Jesus as a way of double checking whether this worked? So people who are completely not Christian will say, all right, you know, I'm going to do this meditation. I'll check in at the end with this idea of Jesus. If Jesus says, good job, then, and you know what? My experience, Jesus is the best at forgiveness.

And Buddha is the best at compassion. Right? And so people say, oh, Dave, now you're satanic? Sorry, guys. I studied the world's religions. They all have value in them. What I've learned through this incredibly deep research is that, number one, it's possible to change your brain

in your field and the whole way you interact in ways that are, most of us think are impossible. I've seen people who are really tweaked and unhappy and mean in a very short period of time become genuinely kind and peaceful in a way that lasts for decades. And it's some of the most profound work I've ever done. And it requires ego aware. And so this is what's behind biohacking, really.

It's just giving people the energy and the years and the permission to become the people they want to be. And that includes a spiritual practice. I don't think you can live 100, 150 years, or if you believe the Bible, Noah was 400 years, so can we at least do as well as Noah? Come on, guys. Right?

Whatever it is, you're not going to get there without a spiritual practice, and you're not going to get there without a community. And that's why I built biohacking, was a 5,000-person incredible conference with Steve Ayoki performing the concert. We're all dancing and just having a time and learning everything.

And it's why we go to church. And that's why we used to have bowling leagues and why we call our parents, we need this. And it's necessary to have the spiritual foundation, have a community foundation if you're gonna live for hundreds of years or at least wanna live for hundreds of years. Fantastic, man, I could do this all day. I'm lucky I have had an opportunity.

We get to hang out in private, but thank you for sharing these thoughts, you know, here on the High Wire. I'd love it if you'd stick around for an off the record. I'd actually like to talk about what it was like to sort of grow up with that autism spectrum diagnosis, where it had benefits, and maybe help us understand a little bit about that, you know, life and that world. So stick around, be all right. All right.

Great. Thank you so much. Well, look, this year's the 250 year anniversary of the United States of America, our Declaration of Inc. independence, our constitution, which I think is really, actually I see these things as as divine documents now, especially as I travel the world and see how much further along this authoritarian takeover is. We have held it at bay. We did survive COVID. It wasn't perfect, but now our courtrooms are coming around and saying, what happened to you? That was illegal. So there's a lot of

great things happening because of the way our nation is designed. It also allows I can to do the work that we do and to have the successes that we've had in courtrooms, which is why we have a new campaign just, you know, to celebrate this 250 year anniversary. We're celebrating independent for 250 years in American. I can is in the word itself. We got some great T-shirts and hats celebrating that. Take a look at this promo. I think you'll enjoy it.

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celebrating here in America. You know, a quarter of a century we've been at it. And the experiment of freedom is still alive and well. I am continuing to celebrate that experience in my travels. actually this upcoming week. I'm going to be at the Seed and Spoon Summit in Timbercrest Camp and RV Park. That's in Ohio. Folks, this is June 17th and 18th. I did this last year.

This event will blow your mind. It's one of the biggest homesteading conferences there is. And you get to go to booths where there's Amish teaching classes on how to can, how to grow your own food, you know, all sorts of just fascinating topics that have to do with how to plant your garden and to see an interaction with the Amish and the world-renowned homesteaders like Joel Salatin, the fantastic, you know, farm expert. You really, if you can get there, this is an event.

You'll dig. It's great for the family. I'm totally sight to be there again. And I'm going to be talking about my travels, and then right from there, as I said, earlier in the show. I am immediately hopping on a plane and I'm heading to Japan where there's a two-day event, the 20th and 21st in Tokyo. You can check that out and there's going to be a screening. I believe that's at 4.20 p.m. of an inconvenient study. So bring your friends, your family. They've already, by the way, there's a whole screening for nothing but press in Japan.

And it was so explosive that they asked for me to get on a Zoom call with one of the big, you know, news icons there and politicians and discuss an inconvenience study. And they want to have screenings all over Japan beyond just what we're doing there. So, you know, this thing is spreading like a wildfire as it should, the wildfire of truth. I'm really having a good time spreading this message around the world because really we are all in this together, which is my message. We are, we need to stop this sort of globalist takeover. Every nation has its own unique talents and abilities and perspectives. We want a world that celebrates our, you know, our individuality and our diversity.

When we talk about diversity, it seems like what that word means is let's erase it amongst everyone instead of celebrating it. I kept thinking as I was in Europe, you know, each one of the states in, in America is about the size of France or Spain or Italy. And really, if you look at America, we're 50, you know, nations inside of one big nation. Kansas has different issues and different cultures than New York does or Texas. Or California, Mississippi, Tennessee, we should live in a world that celebrates those

differences that puts the power in the hands of the people at that local level in those states and those counties where their issues of being farmers might be different than Silicon Valley's issues of trying to deal with AI and freedoms and whether it protects us or attacks us. How is it you have just one homogenized, pasteurized concept for all life? It does not make sense. And I think that's the idea that must be stopped. That's the religion that is trying to take over the world and control us. And as I said, as I stood in every train station, in every airport, as you travel the world,

humans are awesome, man. We're beautiful, beautiful beings. It is so clear that we are created by the divine, that we are souls in a physical journey. Some may be led astray, but we should not be designing our laws for the aberration of our society. we should be designing our world for the celebration of what's possible. I think that's what makes guys like Dave Ashbery so fascinating that are dedicating their lives to this exploration of what is possible for the human body. Can we live to be 200 years old?

Can we have more happiness, more joy? Do I, can I control my mind? Can I make my body more resilient? and, you know, as he said and others has said, and shouldn't I be allowed to die trying? That's the world we want to live in. That's the world that I'm celebrating as I tour the world. And guess what?

That's the world the world wants. But we're not going to get there if we're afraid to talk about it. And so my message in every nation in the world is the same one I have with you every week. You have one right that is the most important. important above all else. Your right to free speech, especially in America, your right to your voice and any other nation that wants to claim that it's free, use your voice and push it as far as you can. Wake up everyone around you to the truth of the world you want to live in and hold each other accountable to make that world possible. Whether it's getting involved in politics or building

a homestead and disappearing from politics. Whatever you're being guided to do, talk about it. Discuss it, express it, and realize that we're all a part of learning. We're all a part of growing. We're all a part of hacking this ego system, if you will, of materialism that is for some reason trying to rob us of our peace, rob us of our happiness, rob us ultimately of freedom I don't think they're going to pull it off as I travel this world and look into the eyes of the people we're winning and we're going to win we must have

faith now and we should be telling everyone we know I'm gonna keep celebrating that idea and I'll see you next week on the high wire Thank you.