The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 482: MAGIC MUSHROOMS, THE SUNSCREEN SCAM & COOKING THE MAHA WAY

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

Fresh from Japan, Del reflects on a country that feels like another world—yet one where the stories, questions, and lessons of the COVID era sounded remarkably familiar.Then, Jefferey Jaxen breaks down new questions surrounding sunscreen, skin cancer, vitamin D, and whether decades of public health messaging around sun exposure may be due for a closer look. Plus, the FDA is now exploring psychedelics like psilocybin and ibogaine for PTSD and depression. Is medicine finally moving beyond the SSRI era?And celebrity chef Pete Evans joins Del in The HighWire Kitchen to share the recipes, ingredients, and kitchen secrets fueling the MAHA movement—and why real food may be the ultimate health hack.Guests: Pete EvansBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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All right, everyone, we ready? Yeah. Let's do this. Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out into the high wire. Well, last week, I was in Tokyo, Japan, where we had the opportunity to speak on panels, to meet with scientists and experts that dealt with COVID.

Shockingly, some of the same issues that we saw here in America and Americans' hospital systems and America's health department. The same story we hear in Italy, in France, in Poland. How is it? No matter where you were in the world, everyone came out of the gates and made the same exact mistakes. It really defies reason, but it was incredible. I mean, just a totally different cultural experience for me, but the reception was amazing.

Journalists, people coming up saying they're going to be having screenings all over Japan, even after we've left. They're very excited about it. So it was just an incredible sharing of minds. We're going to do a show on that journey out there somewhere in the near future so that you can see some of the interviews I've did and some of the revelations that took place. during this incredible trip. I have a huge show, though, coming up today. We've got Pete Evans, a celebrity chef that's written a new Maha cookbook.

He's going to take me, even we're going to whip up a couple of little specials that might make it easy for you, for your family, some quick bites that really should taste amazing. I can't wait for that. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey. You know, it really doesn't matter what land we stand on or even if we look different.

Misinformation, real misinformation, real lies, real deceit, especially around vaccine issues and medical freedom. It's the same no matter where you are. The people that have blood moving through their brains and recognize what's going on are horrified at what they see in the future. And they're especially worried about all of the people that seem to be completely asleep or even hypnotized. So we all share in this experience. And yet here we are at the high wire speaking truth and gaining ground. So we wouldn't be able to do that without you. I'm just super appreciative of the work that you do as I travel around.

And so I just want to sort of also recognize you because you are recognized by all of these people wherever I travel. They seem to think that you and I are attached to the hip. Why is Jeffrey Jackson not here? Anyway, I wish you could have been there. It was amazing in Japan. Yeah. Well, I got to say it's so cool that you're able to build these bridges in other countries because we are connected through the internet, but we're siloed in a way when it comes to face-to-face

conversations and understanding and just relaying this information. And during COVID, I would say the system, the governments were able to impose a one-size-fits-all kind of anti-human approach to this pandemic, all the ways we covered. but the people on the ground, the community is never really connected. So it's cool that you're being this symbolic bridge to bring this information back in these weeks that you come back and say, this is what I found, this is what it's like. And we get to show viewers the videos of what's going on. So I think that's super important. And I don't think people really should gloss over this.

These are like reports back from the rest of the world in a new world that we're in right now. Yeah. No, it's been, I just feel incredibly honored and I'm really interested in it. It is. I realize we hadn't really done this investigation. We've had some foreign entities and doctors come on to the highway come to us. It's totally different to go out and really talk to the people and get a sense of the experience. You realize we are all really brothers and sisters together on this. And we've got to stop this global insanity immediately. Yeah. Yeah. And let's talk about the human experience because there's a story. We're going to really kind of go out in the highway here a little bit more. that we've been working with and researching in the background for quite some time at the high wire here, just looking at maybe how to approach this. And, you know, just about a month ago, the White House came out and exposed this entire conversation

with an executive order that look like this. Take a look. Okay. Today I'm pleased to announce historic reforms to dramatically accelerate access to new medical research and treatments based on psychedelic drugs. Under the executive order, HHS will accelerate research, approval, and access to new mental health treatments, including psychedelic therapies such as Ibecame. We're taking this decision, this decisive step to confront one of the most urgent public health challenges facing our nation, the mental health crisis. More than 14 million Americans live with serious mental illness, and one in four adult experiences a diagnosis. possible disorder each year. Suicide has risen by more than 30% over the past two decades

with another peak in recent years. Among veterans, more than 6,000 die by suicide each year since 2001. We have lost far more veterans to suicide into combat. At the same time, millions of Americans living with depression, PTSD, addiction, and other conditions do not respond to existing treatments. The FDA will issue three national priority vouchers for serotonin 2A agonists, also known as psychedelics. Under this new program in this administration, drugs can get approved in weeks, not a year or a year plus, but in weeks. For many men and women, they have been fighting battles on the ground, but even after the wars are over, those battles continue in their mind. Now there are a lot of medications in medicine where we don't know exactly how it works,

but we see profound results. If we actually listen to those who experience the therapeutic value, we can learn as a medical field. We just have to listen. The stories of those individuals with dramatic results, that is data, that is scientific data, even from a single individual. I want to say that I'm here because of the man to my left. Brian Hubbard and former Texas Governor Rick Perry came on my podcast. They told me how impactful this medicine is. And having that conversation with them, millions of people got a chance to hear their story, hear the stories of all the different people that have had, life-changing experiences from it. With this executive order, you've broken down those barriers and allowed,

us. I have all the faith in the world that this will codify and remain forever. So thank you very much for taking care of your service members and your veterans and giving the members that have been working on this for so long a chance. Everyone who has fought for this day through decades of monumental struggle, sacrifice, and suffering can now declare a seminal victory for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This is really amazing. You and I have reported we've had people come to us over the last decade. You know, can you talk about psychedelics, PTSD, all this?

But Bobby had such a point I've never heard and it was profound when he said, we lose more veterans to suicide than we do to combat. I think that that's an incredible statement. Yeah. Yeah. You know, this story has so many important angles. One of them really is the government is listening to the grassroots. It's listening to individual people. It's listening to people with therapies that have the potential to disrupt an overarching industry that we've reported on for so long, the mental health interventions that are given right now, the SSRIs, the harms were hidden, the patients that suffered these harms, even after they stopped the medication. They have these harms that show up. This was all. hidden and these people were kind of left behind for these blockbuster drugs and that was really the only toolbox in the psychiatrist toolbox were these pharmaceutical interventions. So this is something that is really interesting and I want to go into the FDA's process here because this is just a first step. So this isn't, you know, street legal psychedelic drugs.

They're not passing them out to kids on the street. This is a very scientific process because this is, you know, this is big medicine. Anybody that's looked in of this before. This isn't something you take one in the morning and one in the afternoon and you can go about your life. This is serious, serious medicine for people with serious situations that the pharmaceutical drugs just are not taken care of. So you go to the FDA's press release on this and they're putting forward an acceleration these vouchers for serious mental illness. So it says that the FDA is issuing national priority vouchers to three companies studying psilocybin for treatment resistant depression, psilocybin for major.

depressive disorders, and Methylone for Postdramic Serestis Syndrome, PTSD. But then it goes on to say, in addition, the agency is allowing an early phase clinical study of nor ibogaine hydrochloride to move forward following an investigational new drug submission. So that's the first time that drug has ever been able to be studied in the United States. In this, I want to back up just for a second, because this conversation, people hearing this the first time, maybe you lived through the 1960s, you were active in that culture, the psychedelic culture of the 1960s. There's a lot of stigma that goes into this conversation. I want to point you to this Rolling Stone article. And this is really the

bottom line in this conversation. The rise in the 1960s counterculture and the derailment of psychedelic research. It says President Nixon, dogged by the increasing unpopularity of the Vietnam War, was all too happy to find a zeitkeis culprit. The psychedelic party came to a screeching halt in the early 1970s. The Controlled Substance Act of 1970 lumped LSD and psilocybin with heroin and cocaine, effectively shutting down legitimate research. That's the key. With counterculture movements, scapegoated and psychedelic seemed as a social menace, societal menace, the scientific community's promising exploration of these substances became an afterthought. This is what we're talking about here. We're not talking about the recreational drug use here.

We're talking about a scientific community that's been paralyzed for decades. And in many ways, this is like the vaccine research. Because it's been scapegoated, anti-vaxxers, parents are lying about the injuries. You have decades of, of, science and governmental departments that could have been studying vaccine injury that haven't been. So the psychedelic conversation, I'll know, not similarly one-to-one, is somewhat similar on this, that a scapegoated area that could show valid promise for research into mental health and other issues because of a political maneuvering had been sidelined. So we're picking that ball back up now.

And I wanted to just go on that little bit of a rabbit trail there to talk about that, just to frame it a little differently here. And just to back up Kennedy, too, he's not just throwing stats out there. This is the National Institutes of Health looking at the mental health problem. We know in the United States, it says in 2022, these are really the most recent numbers. There was an estimate of 15.4 million adults age 18 and older in the United States with serious mental illness. That number represents 6.6% of all the U.S. adults. And then the suicide, these are the CDC rates. And just in case you didn't hear Kennedy right on that one, it did say 30%. The total age-adjusted suicide,

rate increased 30% from 2002. And it says from 2018, declined through 2020 and then increased to 14.2 in 2022, which was similar to the rate in 2021. I can only imagine what those rates are now. If we had actual 2026 numbers coming out of the pandemic. But the real conversation here, too, with these therapies, because again, these are serious therapies are for our veterans. And we know the suicide rates are high. We know the mental illness is high. And all of the, all of the, They have is pharmaceutical drugs and the Veterans Affairs, the VA. And the VA is notorious for dropping the ball on the care here. Here's a ProPublica investigation looking at how the VA fails veterans on mental health specifically.

It says a pro-publica analysis of 313 studies conducted by the agencies Inspector General in recent year shows repeated failures in behavioral care. The breakdowns have led that have had fatal consequences. So we know the problems now. I'm just kind of laying that out there to give people an idea. It's a flashing red light. We have massive issues in this country. And our government is listening to this. It's a grassroot.

You can hear Joe Rogan there. I had these people on my podcast. And here he is standing in the White House trying to get this bill across. The FDA is putting vouchers forward. So this is a, it really should be looked at a win-win for the scientific community and the research community, possibly leading to something. Now, let's go into the studies. Let's see what this stuff is doing because it's not like the studies we've covered before at all.

here's the ibegain study now ibegene is a it's an alkaloid of a root bark from a shrub in native central africa but the the people there the indigenous people there have been using it for spiritual for spiritual practice for for a very long time because something's happening so this is magnesium ibogame therapy and veterans with traumatic brain injuries they use it with magnesium because ibegain has a safety issue there's a heart issue with that so if you use it with magnesium uh it it kind of makes that a lot safer, I should say. It says this is possibly the first study to report evidence for a single treatment with a drug single.

Here's the difference. One treatment. Not for two, three weeks we're giving these drugs. One treatment can improve chronic disability related to repeated traumatic brain injuries from combat and blast exposures. And they say this, the researchers. In summary, we prospectively investigated the safety and efficacy of mystic. So this is basically the ibogaine with magnesium.

that's the protocol for special operations veterans with a history of traumatic brain injury and repeated blast combat exposures at baseline study participants experience clinically meaningful levels of disability PTSD depression anxiety after mystic that's the treatment participants showed a remarkable reduction in these symptoms with large effect sizes and the benefits were sustained at the one month follow-up so one dose one-month follow-up sustained Indeed, disability measures continue to improve and psychiatric symptom remission and response rates one month post-missic remain high. This is something you will not find in pharmaceutical drug interventions or trials,

one dose, one month, and leading to this. Now, all of these people in this trial had to travel in Mexico, all these veterans, special operations veterans. So that's what Kennedy was saying in the White House there is it's kind of sad that we have these veterans and they have to travel to other countries to make this happen. The FDA is now allowing this United States. Now, let's just unpack one other therapy here. There's a couple, obviously, the FDA is looking at.

The other one is psilocybin. This is from a mushroom derivative. That's the active component in there. And this is unlike Ibogaine, because psilocybin has actually been being studied for several years now. Here's some of the headlines coming out. This is in 2022. Largest trial to date shows that psilocybin reduces depression symptoms. That's King College.

Here's one of the studies in 2022 in the New England Journal of Medicine. So obviously you're getting widespread dissemination of this information in the science community. Single dose, again, single dose psilocybin for a treatment resistant episode of major depression. Just for the audience there, it's what it sounds like. Treatment resistant episode, the people in these trials have tried everything and nothing works. So they're barooned when it comes to their therapies. So they're trying this. So these aren't just regular people off the streets.

These aren't people that are attracted to, you know, doing this for whatever reason. These are people who have no other place to turn. And the BMJ took all of these, again, a BMJ major journal here, took all of these in a meta-analysis, a systemic review, including that New England Journal of Medicine study right there. And it's looked at the efficacy of all the psilocybin studies throughout these several years of the research now. The body of evidence is being built. It says response rates. This is what they found. The response rate.

Now, response rate is defined as a 50% or higher reduction in depression of symptoms. So it's pretty big. He says, overall, the likelihood of psilocybin intervention leading to treatment response was about two times greater than the placebo. And then it goes on to remission rate. Mission rate is done. You know, that's kind of what you want is completely remission. Overall, the likelihood of psilocybin intervention leading to remission of depression was nearly

three times greater than placebo. So we're seeing some remarkable things here. And that's depression. That's PTSD. That's major depressive disorders. And again, these people have no other option. Now let's look at a case study that just came out. So we're starting to now move past depression in the research and looking, again, a case study, one patient, but listen to this case. Magic Mushrooms, that's what they're being called in the media in Alzheimer's, what one remarkable case can tell us. I'm just going to read this. The woman had experienced, women with Alzheimer's had experienced progressive decline for a decade for the previous five years. She had largely communicated using single words and relied heavily

on others for everyday care. She also had difficulty walking and dressing herself and experienced chronic urinary incontinence. She received five grams of psilocybin containing mushrooms. Again, a single dose. The exact amount of psilocybin is unclear because mushroom potent varies. During the experience, she sweated heavily and entered a prolonged sleep like Sater on 19 hours later. She began speaking spontaneously and recalling memories from her own life. Over the following days and weeks, caregivers reported that she seemed more alert, recognized family members, walked more independently, began dressing herself, and regained urinary continents. One month later, she received a second supervised session involving three

grams of mushrooms and again appeared more expressive and agile. Make of that what you will, But to me, I'm reading promise. It's really amazing. I'm sort of chuckling to myself just in that this would be hard to have a placebo trial with. I'm pretty sure you know whether you got psilocybin or the placebo. But anyway, very promising work indeed. Yeah, I guess it's baked in the cake as natural unblinding. I guess that would be called.

Right, exactly. We'll have to get around that little side effect, if you will. All right. Very interesting. So again, this is obviously investigation. We're standing at the precipice of, you know, a lot of new research here in the United States, which is exciting and possibly some solutions for people that really have been left without solutions for a growing mental health crisis. Now, let's talk about from what goes in our bodies to what goes on our skin.

Obviously, it is summer here in the United States. The sun is hot. And a conversation around sunscreen, a lot of people have contacted us to say, can you do a deep dive into sunscreen? Well, here's what the media will tell you on sunscreen. Take a look. Whether you're climbing a mountain, skiing the slopes or laying by the pool, sunscreen is a must when out in the sun. Dermatologists and healthcare experts have long-touted sunscreen as an effective way to prevent sun damage. We've been told for years now that applying sunscreen early, liberally, and often is our best protection against cancer.

What are causing UV rays from the sun? Sunscreen, this is my personal own. This is going to be your best friend and medical experts. Want to make sure that you are layering this on every single day. The thing that's unique about skin cancer, it's so common, but it's also so preventable. We know that about 90% of skin cancers are associated with sun exposure.

Skin cancers, you know, still remains the most prevalent and prominent cancer in America. There'll be over five million cases of skin cancer that's going to be diagnosed. The number one cancer in the U.S., one in five Americans will be diagnosed with skin cancer at some point in their lifetime. Wow. Incredibly common. Which is why prevention is so necessary. Exactly. And sunscreen is one of the best ways to do that. We know that melanoma is most common in men and they actually have the highest mortality rate. It's thought perhaps men aren't as good about wearing sunscreen. There's no such thing as a safe tan. That's a huge mistake.

All right. Well, I mean, look, I'll be honest, like I don't, I can't remember the last time I wore. sunscreen I just personally you know there's been a red flag from the beginning I was like let me get this straight the life the the source of all life is my enemy it sounds like a religion that would be pushed by vampires you know I wear long shirts I wear baseball caps I don't think it's good to scorch yourself but this this has never made sense to me just packing things in your pores heating them up having them you know go I just can't imagine any anything natural enough that I want to mess with it. But where's the science going on this?

Yeah, and then this conversation also frame this. It's not, it's not black and white, like some of the stuff we cover. There is a lot of nuance in here and there's a lot of personal decision making to be had from every individual. This is true informed consent and it's just sunscreen, but it's very important. So in 2019, the FDA, HHS put this in the federal register regarding the FDA and it said this. This is the actual federal register at that time.

Department of Health and Youth Services, Food and Drug Administration, products over-the-counter human use, the agency, food and drug administration, it's a proposed rule. So it says this proposed rule describes the conditions under which FDA proposes that over-the-counter sunscreen monograph products are generally recognized as safe and effective and not misbranded as being published as part of the ongoing review of over-the-counter drug products conducted by the FDA. So what they're doing is in 2019, they're saying, look, we're going to do a review of basically

the sunscreen. Now, that review to this day has not been completed. So when we're talking about safe and effective, there's a big question mark here. Is it really safe? It reminds me a little bit of fluoride. It's like it's been, we knew it was, everyone told it was safe, but the EPA said at some point they're going to redo that science. We're still waiting for them. So it's up in the air. That's kind of where we're at with sunscreen. But in the meantime, let's look at the science. So in 2020, we have the JAMA, Journal of American Medical Association. They looked at this. This was ironically an FDA-funded study. They looked at the effect of sunscreen application on plasma concentration with their active ingredients. This was a really great trial, randomized clinical trial.

It said in this study conducted in a clinical pharmacology unit and examining sunscreen application among healthy participants, all six of the tested active ingredients administered in four different sunscreen formulations were systemically absorbed and had plasma concentrations. That's in your blood, by the way, that surpass the FDA threshold. for potentially waiving some of the additional safety studies for sunscreens. So they're saying, well, the FDA, that bottom line there is saying, well, clearly if it doesn't pass its threshold, we don't have to do further safety studies. And this study is saying, basically all of them, for the most part, are going into, and they're surpassing the plasma

concentrations. And it wasn't just there, it happened quickly, by the way, within 24 hours, but it stayed for days. That plasma concentration was elevated for days. So the sunscreen systemically absorbs into your entire system through your bloodstream. And that's clearly a problem because it doesn't just stay on the skin, doesn't evaporate. The Environmental Working Group did a really great article looking at this. I recommend everyone check this article out, the trouble with ingredients and sunscreen. And it gives you a handy graph here you can go to. And you can see all the ingredients on the left side. These are the active ingredients. And then there we just covered the FDA 2019 proposed classification is safe and effective. You can see a lot of those are not

they've not been done yet. They can't say they're safe and effective, except the last two, which are mineral. We have titanium dioxide and zinc oxide. We'll talk about those in a second. And then you go to the next column, absorbed through the skin. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Every one of those is absorbed through the skin except the mineral versions of those. But then here becomes a big problem. Evidence of hormone disruption. You can see here, we have some of those with strong evidence of hormone disruption. That's not a good thing. And then also skin allergies, there's evidence to those, those are concerns, and that's the big issue. So when it comes to these active ingredients, these are chemicals, except for those last two, those are mineral-based zinc and titanium dioxide.

The zinc and the titanium dioxide do not absorb in your skin. The FDA just recently, just this month, approved another chemical for sunscreen. However, they approved it, and it actually had some foresight here. This is a chemical like our food. It's been approved in Europe, but now, not in the United States. And similarly, there's a lot of chemicals in sunscreen that are banned in Europe that we allow in the United States. But this FDA expands sunscreen options for the first time in 20 years. And this is basically an ingredient in here that it doesn't absorb into your body as easily

as the rest of the chemicals. So it has a larger molecular weight, from my understanding. So it sits on the top of the skin. You're not going to have an issue with that. So that's a good sign. The FDA is actually acknowledging the systemic absorption of sunscreen. and the issues, because there are issues, we already know there's lots of evidence here. Again, the environmental working group shows that graph and it's the hormone disruption, allergies

at the very least. So that's a concern for people. So with that information, there's one of the conversations that I think people should think about when they're thinking about sunscreen. But now let's go into some of the information about, like you said, the sun. You mentioned that at the top of the segment here. So here's a 2013 study, and this was a pretty interesting study. It says, is prevention of cancer by sun exposure more than just the effect of vitamin D,

a systemic review of the epidemiological studies? And then it said here, we found that almost all epidemiological studies suggest that chronic, not intermittent sun exposure, is associated with reduced risk of colorectal, breast, prostate, cancer, and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. So that's a big conversation is the cancers when it comes to sun exposure. Obviously, a lot of those are skin cancers, but this study is saying, hey, on the rest of the cancers, it looks like there might be something going on with the sun other than vitamin D that is helping people stave off these cancers.

Here's another one. Avoidance of sun exposure is a risk factor for all-cause mortality results from a melanoma in southern Sweden cohort. So they looked at thousands of people in Sweden. They said this. This is a fascinating conclusion. We found that all-cause mortality was inversely, all-cause mortality was inversely related to sun-exposure habits. So inversely related, note that.

The mortality rate amongst avoiders of sun exposure was approximately twofold higher compared with the highest sun exposure group, resulting in excess mortality with a population attributable risk of 3%. Conclusion, the results of this study provide observational evidence that avoiding sun exposure is a risk factor for all-cause mortality. I mean, it really seems obvious, doesn't it, Jeffrey? If there was one thing I think we really learned during COVID, it was how important vitamin D is.

I really hadn't, you know, contemplated it. But then when they started showing that if you had certain vitamin D levels, you would not be hospitalized. No one died if they had certain vitamin D levels, you know, detectable in their body. We now realize this is the building blocks of your immune system. And so, and we forget that immune systems are what deal with cancer. They see the immune system that decides whether that foreign objects,

or, you know, chemical or toxin should be attacked and pushed out of the body. So to me, it just goes about saying, so you're the only natural way, as I understand it, really to get vitamin D, which is like a hormone, is your skin's interaction with the sun. Otherwise, we're taking these supplements. It just seems crazy. That we avoid the natural way we're designed to take on one of the critical vitamins in our bodies. And then we start, you know, you know, supplementing it with.

bottled and God knows where that comes from and all those issues. I don't know. This seems like a no-brainer in many ways and it's one of those things where science just took us way off track. We allowed a whole industry to just pack crap into our pores without thinking about it. Anyway, it's great that we're starting to get some mainstream reality checks going on here. Yeah, for sure. And there's a study that just came out earlier this year too.

it goes into what you were just saying. This is a risk-benefit balance, and that's really what people have to decide for themselves. Risk-benefit balance of habitual ultraviolet exposure for cardiovascular skin cancer cancer mortality. And they concluded this, in this large UK cohort, higher habitual UV exposure, quantified by the Sunbeam Index, was associated with lower all-cause, cardiovascular, and non-skin cancer mortality alongside smaller proportional increases in melanoma and other skin cancer mortality. Overall, these findings challenge the simplistic view that sunlight is primarily a skin carcinogen whose benefits can be replaced by vitamin D tablets and instead supports a more balanced perspective in which UV exposure contributes

meaningfully and not fully substitutable to the prevention of cardiovascular disease and other major cancers. So that's a major conversation there. And to be responsible in our reporting here, clearly the sun does have effects on skin cancers. And there's several types of skin cancers. There's squamness cell carcinomas. There's basal cell carcinomas. Those you catch them early. There's no big deal. There's a high survivability rate on those.

They're really common. But then there's one. There's melanoma. Now melanoma, we'll go to the American Cancer Society on this. And these are the statistics for melanoma. This is the one you really got to watch out for you. I mean, obviously got to be diligent, watch out for all of them. But this one here, cancer of melanoma.

Cancer of the skin is by far the most common of all cancer in the United States. Melanoma accounts for only about 1% of skin cancers but causes the largest majority of skin cancer deaths. So when they say catch-all term skin cancer deaths and they try to lump all skin cancers in there, that's not accurate. Melanoma is the one that accounts for it all. And this is for, so the dermatologists out there that have been wringing the fist at my segment, I'm going to give them a little thumbs up here and attribute this chart. This is the ABCD in ease of melanoma. So you do want to watch out for this. And this is just a quick chart here. Is it a mole or is it melanoma?

Regular checks to a dermatologist, they can take care of these things, especially the squamness or basal carcinomas, skin tags. They can just pop those off before any issues happen. The melanomas obviously want to get on top of that faster. But this is one of the issues. However, again, it's not just, it's not a simple relationship here. It's very nuanced. It's not more sun, more melanoma. In fact, there's studies out there, for time's sake, we're not going to go into all the studies, but showing that people with high skin exposure to the sun through their employment have lower melanoma rates than people that work in offices. So there's a lot of science that we don't understand about sun exposure, but this is, hopefully this can give people an idea of maybe

where to start. Obviously, burning is bad. So anything, you don't want to just go out there and burn because you want the sun exposure. That's shown across the board to be really not a good thing. You know, we were all talking about as we were working on this segment, do sunglasses have an effect? I look forward. We're going to do some research into that. I know some people are saying, don't wear sunglasses. It's telling your skin you're in the dark when you're not. Very interesting. All of this, we're starting to wake up. And I think look at things in a new way, which is great. It's a part of what the high wire is doing. It's what you're doing. And I think we're forcing the mainstream narrative to shift. So great work, Jeffrey. As always, amazing reporting.

I'll see you next week. All right. Thank you. All right. Well, you know, look, when you look at the work that we do here, ask yourself, did I see that story presented on any of the other news stations that I watch? Is Fox talking about the fact that maybe you've been lied to on sunscreen? Maybe your sun exposure is important to you. Maybe you should start working on a more balanced approach. I don't think so.

And I don't mean to call out Fox. How about MSNBC or CNN or any of the other agencies? And by the way, you're paying for a cable bill. Are you not to watch those things? You're funding all of those that lied to you during COVID that bring you misinformation all the time and have you running the social media to see if you can get the answers there. But then you can go to the high wire every week and we're going through social media. We're looking at all of it.

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But one of the best ways to implement it would be through your own diet, I suppose. And what if somebody wrote a cookbook about how to have a Maha diet? Well, I am going to be speaking with Pete Evans. He's the celebrity chef that has taken the world. He's really one of the most beautiful people you'll ever meet. And if you haven't heard of him yet, get ready. Here he is. Chef Pete Evans.

Pete Evans, Judge on the insanely popular My Kitchen Rule. An internationally renowned chef, author, speaker, who became a household name through hit TV shows. Brand name on everything from cookware to the kitchen sink. Not only a mastermind, but he's a loving father. Documentary producer with over 30 cookbooks. Lifestyle guru to a legion of followers. Celebrity chef Pete Evans has had his Facebook page permanently deleted. Channel 7 has now dropped Pete Evans.

His pseudoscientific views have outraged leading doctors. Evans has repeatedly created controversial. on social media. Pete Evans, celebrity chef and TV host, mocked for talking about questioning big farmer, gut health, clean eating and telling us to look outside the system. So was he actually crazy or just early? As soon as I started sharing that you could get healthy by eliminating a couple of foods and focusing on organic, regenerative farming practices, that's when the attack started coming. I knew that there would be repercussions, but I knew that that was the part of. and just trust in this path.

Paleo is really, really simple. It's basically meat and three veg. That's it. Teaching people how to cook, that's what celebrity chef actually means. It's just a teacher of this craft, which is the culinary arts, which I love. And so many doctors that I've interviewed, they believe that 80% of chronic illness

can be completely eradicated through lifestyle choices. The greatest lifestyle choice, I believe, is good diet. Imagine if 80% of hospital visits disappeared. Imagine if the law lobbying from the pharmaceutical companies at 80% less funding. Everything would change. I don't think anyone can underestimate how powerful food is to bring people together and to share love and to receive love.

My intention is to live as long as I can without disease. I want to live to 100, 110, watch my grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and just see this beautiful play in the world for as long as I can. Well, it's my honor and pleasure to be joined by celebrity chef Pete Evans in his new book, the Maha cookbook. Let's get into it. Pete, thanks for joining me today. Brother, thanks for having me. And I just want to say congratulations on everything you've been doing over the years. Huge fan. Oh, thank you. Thank you. It's, I mean, I'm having a blast. You know, it's great to see the world changing around you. And, you know, since we've spoken prior to COVID, then the middle of COVID. here we are again. You know, these are incredible moments.

I always say that the birth pangs have changed. And, you know, Maha, I think, being something that grew out of that, you know, COVID pressure, if you will. Yeah. It's really, you know, watching food come together with, you know, medical freedom. I don't think the politics of America saw it coming. And it's so, but you're embracing it in this cook. So let's get into that. Why a Maha cookbook?

What was your thinking of that? Well, not only make America healthy again, but make Australia healthier again too. Yeah. I took the liberty of that. And as you said, I mean, food is such a beautiful part of our life. Yeah. And as you just mentioned, once upon a time for pretty much our whole evolutionary history, food was one of our top priorities. Yeah.

And I would say over the last 50, 60 years, it's sort of come down a few rungs on the ladder. And with what you were saying about Bobby and the Maha movement, it seems to be going back up the ladder, which excites me in so many ways. Because I do believe the lowest hanging fruit, pardon the pun, is to get into the kitchen, cook some beautiful food, create memories like we were talking just before for ourselves and our family. and ultimately learn a vital life skill. A lot of people can fall into the, not the trap, but the perception that cooking is a chore. It's a burden, it's pain in the bottom. My mom saw it.

My mom just, I could tell, hated cooking, and it kind of came out in the flage. And I guess my intention with the skills that I have and the toolkit that I have is to make cooking inspiring again and sexy again and fun again and not for it to be a chore, not for it to be a burden. And how does that happen? How do we create change? And obviously everyone has free will.

Yeah. And I never want to force my beliefs or anything onto anybody because we've been through that. Right, right. So how do we get cooking? and the understanding of how important food is back up that ladder. And Maha is such a huge incentive and moment in human history, especially in this country, for that to happen. And I'm just so grateful and so happy.

And it brings tears to my eyes, especially when Bobby was running and then the Maha movement came out. I was like, what an amazing time in human history for this to be front and center, center stage. applauded, celebrated and not to be something just that the, that's a bit woo-woo. We know this helps. We know that if people spend time in the kitchen, not a lot of time, and think about what they're cooking, cooking it with love, cooking with laughter, cooking it with an intention,

that dare say we can bake America, Australia, the world healthy again in a delicious way, in a fun way. when I mean you obviously you know you travel a lot you meet people you know you've been a voice for cooking and food and health what are the what are the things that have got have knocked it down the wrong I mean I'm going to assume it's sort of you know are we are we too busy it's just the amount of time that we have available is it that we're we're not being taught by grandma anymore Is it just not in our, you know, upbringing? What are the major hurdles when you consider what it's going to take to get people motivated into this space?

It can be a combination of those things you just mentioned, for sure. And a lot of the time, it is convenience and it's lack of time or perceive lack of time. Yeah. So we can start with just learning the very, very basics. How to poach an egg, how to scrabble an egg, how to cook a piece of steak, how to roast a chicken. and how to prepare some vegetables so they're not bland and boring. And honestly, 10 minutes preparation time in the kitchen, five minutes preparation time in the kitchen,

that's all it can take. You know, a slow-cooked lamb shoulder, for instance, if you like lamb, pop it in the oven before you go to work or a slow cooker, you get home, you're eating restaurant-quality food, better than restaurant-quality food, because you know where it's come from. Yeah. If you take that into consideration

and you're thoughtful about that. And once you tap into this and start at the basics and start to feel the changes in your body, you know, the thing that got me into this after being a chef for 10, 15 years was really my wife, she read a book called Primal Body, Primal Mind by Nora Gagatis.

And it took us through sort of the history of food and evolutionary history of human beings. And it sort of comes down to some simple facts, in my belief. Yeah. Good quality meat or seafood, spray-free vegetables and fruit. If you can eat that and smegs, if you can tolerate them, if you can do that rinse and repeat in what's so exciting about 2025, 2026 and onwards,

is we have access now, like I just went to Whole Foods to buy our recipes, the ingredients for it, there's everything there, spices from all around the world, all these beautiful herbs, and then really good quality meat or seafood if you choose to. And if you're on a budget, then you can look for the cheaper options in all of these realms. Generally, things that are cheaper are the ones that are in season, things that are local. Farmers markets, obviously, co-ops. If you can grow your own herbs at home with your kids, you know. We have a plethora of ingredients so we can take inspiration from all over the globe because every single culture has worked out how to do it.

Yeah. And do it so it tastes absolutely delicious. And these classic recipes that have stood the test at time, you can do in your own kitchen. You know, YouTube these days, cooking shows. It's all there. The information is there. Yeah, it's true.

And for me, I think one of the greatest gifts is to learn how to cook. It is a way, without going too deep into it, but there seems to be a lot of mental health issues out there, which can be a lack of self-worth, self-love. And to learn a skill, you're building confidence, you're building this relationship with yourself that you can do something and you can do it well. And cooking is one of the things that we can learn

if you're a novice or a beginner or not confident. And within the space of three months, six months a year, you're going to start to learn these life skills that do bring self-nourishment to yourself, self-love, self-worth, and then when you can share that either to yourself or to others, you know, it just builds and builds and builds so that if we eat well, obviously, anxiety, depression, these sort of things can disappear. I mean, it's not just the confidence around it. We are actually more and more are recognizing that our gut biome, what's happening in our stomach,

really truly is affecting our levels of anxiety, of depression, mental health, and a whole host of other autoimmune neurological developmental disorders in children. Really is coming down to how healthy is our stomach. You know, I love that. You know, when I think of a cookbook, a lot of times you just open up. It's just a bunch of recipes. But this is really a journey in an education just to read through some of these chapters, like chapter one, what is maha?

and then getting to the spirit of maha shopping it's a huge one no one really talks about that cleaning out the pantry how do I get the stuff that's in my way it's not going to be helpful the beautiful craft of cooking ancestral diets foods to cut down on and remove you know is it is a great organic pesticide free and regenerative farming practices you know we're in chapter 9 now meal prep planning cooking bulk fussy eaters I think that every parent has one of those at least a word on Huge protein fats and carbs gut health and fermented foods and invitation for further discovery then you get into actual Maha recipes with meat dishes and fish and you know one of the debate I mean do you get into the debate whether it's pale I mean it just feels like paleo and

vegetarian and you know vegan or you know and then there's people just won't touch a vegetable only meat how you how out as a as a chef because I I grapple with it every day. I feel like I'm making someone, some part of my psyche upset. I thought we weren't going to do that. Are there simple rules that keep us from getting, you know, buried in the debate on? I'm not a controversial figure, as you know. Right.

How do we see? Why would food get controversial? But it has. It's gotten controversial. It can be really confusing for people because if you go on social media, Or you just watch the news programs and they bring in the dietitians or nutritionists or fitness trainers. Everybody's got a different take on it. My take is keep it really simple, keep it basic.

I do love really good quality meat and seafood and vegetables and fruits and eggs and nuts and seeds if you can tolerate them but not in huge quantities. And more of a lower carbohydrate diet. Sure. So you're in line with the pyramid being turned upside down by Robert Kennedy Jr. 100% right, you know, without getting too deep because we could talk for hours about this. Yeah. Good quality fats are so important to us. Good quality protein is important to us. And then it's down to what brings you joy. You know, I've got friends that are vegetarian and vegan that seem to be thriving. Yeah. I've got mates that are carnivore and seem to be thriving. Yeah. I've got mates that are carnivore and seem to be thriving. Yeah. I also have people that I know that don't eat well that seem to be thriving and we can reverse that. You put Trump, I think, on top of that.

I think the guy seems to have, you know, endless energy, you know, from, you know. And I talk about that in the book, in the further reading, you know, that our emotional belief systems and what I tapped into before, self-love, self-worth. These emotional belief patterns can be even more important than what we eat. But I think the easiest thing to control and choose is what we eat. And then, as you were talking about, if our guts are working well, some people call it our first brain or second brain, then some of these other hurdles or challenges in our life can become a lot easier to navigate and to confront and work through

these emotional beliefs that we have, whether it from culture or politics or religion or family. So I think for me anyway, food is can be the first step into understanding long-term regenerative health, right? Because once you start to look at that and you start to have some more vitality, then these other obstacles or challenges in our life can become a little bit more easier to deal with and to understand and to journey through. Fantastic. Well, we got together a little bit before this interview and got to have some fun in the kitchen.

So let's take a look at what just happened in the kitchen, not just talk about making it fun. This is how Pete Evans makes it fun. All right, Pete, looks like we got some beautiful stuff here. What are we working on today? Well, I thought we'd do three little recipes. Okay, yeah. We've got simple recipes.

Okay. So sweet potatoes, roasted with a little Italian samarise. really a basically a green herb sauce. Okay. Super simple. We're gonna do a mizza. So it's a pizza. Okay.

Without the pizza base. So without the crust, without the carb load there. That's it. It's just pure meat. Okay. All right. That sounds good. So all those like paleo people out there would be psyched on the meat. Oh, they're gonna be so happy with this.

We've got some poached pears in coconut water. Oh wow. Okay. Really simple. So we'll start with the sweet potatoes. Okay, very good. So these are Hasselback sweet potatoes. So beautiful organic sweet potatoes.

Okay. And then just with a little sharp knife, we just slice into the sweet potato. So not all the way through. Not all the way through. Just leave a little bit holding it together. Why do that? Why not just take it without the slices and throw it in and roast it? Well, you know, sometimes it's about a little bit of visual effects.

Okay. But you could just easily slice them in. Okay. People like the Hasselback potatoes. Yeah. So we thought we'll do a sweet potato and You can put chopsticks down the side and slice into it so you don't cut all the way through as well Okay, or just a little like that

Oh, I see so you lay it next to that you don't go down too far That's it all right very good A little sauce a little fat here so I've used some beautiful beef tallow Okay, yeah great, it's just great a little extra virgin olive oil Chop garlic little thyme in there so we just I just like it's delicious I can tell already that's to be fabulous. And they just go into the oven, 350 for about 45 minutes.

Okay. Tender. Okay. Little salt on there. I mean, that didn't take but literally two minutes. I suppose the oil and the thyme and the garlic might have taken a minute. That's it. That's it.

Okay. Do you want to see what they look like? Yeah, let's go ahead and pull out. I love this. You've shown us 45 minutes later. Beautiful. This is what this is coming out like. Grab me that last plate and the spatula.

Yeah, that's hot. If you want to slide them on. All right. And the Samarilio is a beautiful little green herb sauce. You can do it with parsley, basil, oregano, if you like, marjoram. Look at that. We just take the leaves off the herbs, or herbs, I should say. I love the herbs.

I love hearing that. It makes it, I think it makes it sound like it tastes even better. or put that around the air. Beautiful. So whatever green herbs you have, all right. You can put it in a food processor if you like or a little blender or just mortar and pestle or sharp knife. Basically that into a bowl.

Okay. With a little garlic. If you want to pour in some extra virgin olive oil into that. Absolutely. Lots. Yeah, lots. Perfect. Squeeze a lemon in there.

You bet. Fabulous. A little fresh garlic. Some salt. A little pepper. Whoops. Is there a way to think about like tangy or sweet or savory? You know, is there a rule to it?

Chefs love fat, salt and acid. Okay. Which we've just put the fat in with the olive oil. Salt in there and the acid little lemon juice. Okay. So that's salad dressings, its little sauces. little herb sources like this. And then we just spoon that over the top.

All right. And that just elevates. I mean, this little sauce here, great on steak, great little fish. I'm going to eat the skin on this. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right.

And that's just a nice little way to jazz up some sweet potatoes. You can have that spoon if you want to try it. I do want to try it out. Let's jump in here. Might be hot. Mmm. I'm going to use my fingers. I never, I've always just had like butter, salt, sweet, people with like brown sugar,

but to put the lemon with the sweet, and the herbs, that is so delicious. Another thing that's really good with sweet potato is a little cinnamon on there when you bake it with the fat. So again, either olive oil, duck fat, beef tallow, coconut oil, any type of fat. I like to use the plethora of fats that have got the healthy fats. Are you, where are you at with like, you know, temperature of like this pan? That's hot. Yeah, very hot. Looking over it now, not to insiderate.

What oils, I mean, are there, I mean, we got to watch what oils we use, depending on what temperature we're going. Is that, is that right? To it, yes or no. Okay, great. As a chef, we were taught, it's interesting. The things that Maha are really promoting at the moment are the things that chefs love to cook with. Okay.

Because we learned from French culinary tradition. Asian culinary tradition. It would be lard, good quality, pig fat, duck fat, chicken fat, like schmaltz, beef fat, tallow, you can do lamb tallow, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil from the Mediterranean. Yeah. And yeah, butter, if you can tolerate dairy. Yeah. Some people can't, some people can. Or ghee, which is a clarified butter. Yeah. So at home, we have the plethora of all, and then we just pick and choose. All right. You experiment. Very good. All right, so that's one dish done. Great.

Absolutely fantastic. Pass me the meat there. Okay. Classic meat set. So those aren't both, there's two different meats there, it looks like. Yeah, you can do this with ground meat of any type. So you can do a turkey, chicken, pork. I've got some great organic pork here.

Basically anything. Yeah. Right. And then it is as simple as seasoning it with some salt. There's some Italian herbs there. If you want to take the lid off there. You want me to wash my hands? Hold on a second.

We're all friends, aren't we? We're going to put this in anyway. Right. Yeah. A little onion, a little garlic. You can flavor it as simply or as... So flavor the meat itself. So it's not just like a flat, plain burger.

We're getting some... Well, it sort of is just like a burger patty. Yeah. You know, but we're just adding... But I don't put onions and herbs in my... Maybe I should put onions and herbs in my burger patties. I might be a good idea, actually. Okay.

Great. A little egg yolk. Organic Giac yolk there to bind it all together as well. Okay. And I'll do the... All right, I'll let you do it. Sounds good. You could put a little garlic, a little chili in there if you like as well.

Okay. You put some bacon in there. Ooh, I'm sure that's pretty yummy. Good quality bacon, yeah. Yeah. What you could do for me, Del, is that tallow. Yep. I want to just spoon a little bit into that pan there for me.

While I'm mixing this through. So yeah, this is a mixture of good quality pork and beef, but you can do whatever you like. That's it. And that pans a little bit hot, which is what we want. Do you want like medium hot? Do we want it high heat? It doesn't really matter. You can actually put it into a cold pan straight into the oven.

Okay. But this gets it a little bit more of a crusty base. Okay. Got it. And then that meat goes straight into the pan. And you've got to watch your fingers here that you may burn yourself. Yeah, you can also do it on a tray without it being hot with a little bit of baking paper or parchment paper And stick it in the oven cook it until it's basically cooked. Yep, and then we drain any excess fat that we don't want off it and then we top it with

Some puread tomatoes. Do I just on top of the raw here? Do you flip it once? I stick it in the oven until it's cooked. Okay, pull it out Top of it then you add that the tomato some cheese and We've got some buffalo and mozzarella there. And then some sliced tomatoes. Look, these beautiful tomatoes. So that's what I did with that. Into the oven until the cheese is melted. All right.

So that says the last part. You're basically just cooking this like a burger. You get it done. So we would take this, stick this in the oven. They'd cook it through. All right. If you open the oven door for me, I will. That's it.

And that's it. Cook it till it's cooked. Strain off any fat. How long does it take? We're talking 20, 30 minutes? That'll take five minutes. Five minutes? Yep.

We top it with our sauce and our cheese. Another five minutes. Okay. Dinner's ready. So I'm thinking dessert while we got the mitsa in there cooking. All right? Simple little dessert. Okay.

Organic fruit or fresh fruit, poached in coconut water. Oh, wow. And a few spices. So simple. I don't see any sugar. We're doing this without sugar. Don't eat it. No sugar.

There's enough sugar in that. There's enough sugar. Natural sugars in that. Okay. Yeah. I don't eat that many desserts. But if I do, it's something like this.

Right. So this is like a classic Italian, French-style poach-peer dessert. So if you go to fancy restaurants, they'll have poach pears. Usually they do it in champagne or red wine or white wine. Okay. Sugar and water. But the coconut water is perfect for this. Okay.

All right. Great. And you can peel your pear or not. It's up to you. Okay. It just gives it a better mouth feel. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

If you want to pour the coconut water, into that pot for me. You tip it all in there. Awesome. And then we've got some spices there. If you want to throw some couple of star anise. Yeah. So that gives it a lovely little anisee flavor.

That licoricey. Boy, that smells good. And then a couple of cinnamon quills here. Yep. And I'll just take the seeds out of the pears for presentation and if you're doing it at home and you like eating the seeds, feel free to leave them in. them in. And the last thing I'm going to add, you can put vanilla in there, you put saffron in there,

you can put chumaric in there. We've got a little ginger here. We just add a little ginger. I mean, when you think about these. So this is really just flavoring the juice and in cooking in, you're not going to be eating the ginger. Is it? That's up to you. Yeah. If you're a ginger fiend, yeah. Because the poaching liquor is so delicious afterwards. Yeah. Because it's got all of those flavors just permeating into it. Nice. You can have a little shot. Beautiful.

And we just slowly cook that until it's tender. Okay. Usually about 30 minutes. It depends on how ripe the pairs are. Okay. Really slow, really gentle. Let's check our mitsa. Let's do that.

So I'm basically just gonna tip off all the excess water and fat that's come out. Okay. Oh boy, that's smelling good. It's not the prettiest of dishes at this point. Okay, right. A lot of the water, some of the fat comes out so we can just strain that out or tip it out. Okay. There we go.

So we're left with our big meats of base. Yeah. Tomato sauce. So that's like tomato puree or you can get an organic pasta sauce. Okay. Spread it on. It's hot, the pan's hot, so just be careful. Be careful.

And if you wanted to make it perfectly round, I would have spent a bit more time. Sure. The kids, you know, for those fussy kids needed to work a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit. pizza got it oh and that looks delicious I grab me the three different colored tomatoes got it there you know some heirloom tomatoes there beautiful if you want to pop those ones on and yourself nice and thin all right and depending whether you want the cheese or not up to you what kind of cheese like grade cheddar on there you could like cheddar on there brother okay I'm whatever

Cheddar guy. I mean, the mozzarella is okay, but... Whatever brings us to your face, man. And how about those pepperonies? Do those go on now? We can throw a few pepperonies. I forgot about the pepperonies. We'll slide them under the cheese. I was going to say, maybe under the cheese. Okay, I'll help you. There we go. Thank you.

All right. You can't have a pizza without pepperoni. There we go. There we go. Nice. And maybe a little salt into the oven. That's it. Five minutes.

It's five minutes. and that's good to go. All right. See, this iron skill, I've been cooking more with an iron skillet. They're the best. Yeah. The best. Yeah.

One good iron skillet last year, your lifetime. Okay. It looks just like a pizza, but I don't see the crust. Off. Yeah. So that's the famous Meatser, if you want to pop it there. If you want to grab some basil, just in front of you on the left there, in the ball?

Yeah. Am I just laying it on there? Am I tearing it apart a little bit? Would you recommend? You know what? I'm going to go with the whole piece is there. So this is how we finish off the meat serve, which I'll show you the first process in a minute.

And we can drizzle that with a little extra virgin olive oil. And if you like a rugula, we can pop up. You know, my son has been eating a lot of pizza lately. I'm like, bro, you've got to wash the bread, man. You've got a, this might be a way to get some protein in there. This makes for a great lunch you can take to work the next day. You can eat it cold.

You can have it for breakfast in the morning. You get a warm or cold as well. Yeah. It's just the perfect snack. I think the key for people, if they do want to change their diet, always have some good quality cooked meat or seafood or eggs in the fridge ready to go. So that becomes the snack. Right.

Instead of the cookies or the donuts or whatever. already. Right. So, olives on here, anchovies on here. Oh yeah, that would be good. Absolutely delicious. A little chili on there if you needed. That sounds, I think I'm going to take it just as in a little piece of basil there.

Cheers, brother. Oh, man. It's so smart, so easy. Really tasty. Pairs? Let's do some bears. I used to some bears. Spoons are behind you in the top drawer.

I put a piece of ginger in there for you too. Alright, love it. Thank you. Now you can top this with the little granola, gluten-free granola if you like, maybe some good quality ice cream, coconut ice cream or full dairy ice cream. Yeah, yeah.

There's a little coconut, normal yogurt. Delicious. Isn't it? You know, Pete, unfortunately, I'm running in get on a plane because all I want to do right now is go to the grocery store, buy some herbs. Some herbs, yeah. And go home and cook. This is so much fun. Really, really lovely. Thanks for having me in your home, in your kitchen. And what a treat. You know what, man, honestly, thanks for being you. Your energy is just so beautiful. I love the

energy. You bring into the plant to the earth and this experience of cooking. It's really lovely. I appreciate you, brother. I love you. Food is medicine. Food is medicine. All right. Well, I mean, that was so much fun and so incredibly delicious. And I think even more importantly easy. I mean, this is something that, you know, my wife and I are really getting better at this, right? It's amazing how simple cooking a steak. I mean, it's really the easiest thing in the world. And I've been going to a restaurant to get it done. And you're like, this is the one thing we could do at home and it's ready. I mean, honestly, the longest part is if we're boiling some potatoes. I was like, steak's going to take three minutes. You know what I mean? The potatoes. is what you have to get ahead of the game on. But it's really great to just get in the kitchen, have fun. Any last thoughts for someone that's intimidated by the idea of cooking? I know my mom just felt like it was just going to be complaints. Like she just, I could see her like shoulders, you know, getting tense.

You know, you got the picky family. You're not delivering. How do we get around that? Whether it be my book or other recipes that are out there, I think including the children, if you have children or grandchildren or your partner, get them to choose a recipe per week that they want to eat from a book or something like that. So get them involved. It can be, if you've got young children, cracking an egg and whisking the egg.

You could be picking some herbs. And I think that when people feel apart, because humans just want to connect. Children want to connect with their parents. They just, that's it. They don't want to be pushed over in the corner. They want to feel self-worth and be a part of that and collaborating. And so that could be a really good thing. And if you're fussy, fussy children sometimes come from fussy parents.

It's not a blanket statement, right? I'm having a bit of fun here. But if you can turn the kitchen into a fun and joyous environment, play some great music that the whole family loves. Not just the death metal, if that's your jam. Unless you're home by yourself. Go for it. I've worked at restaurants 20 years. For some reason, Sue chefs like death metal.

I don't know. It was what gets you up in the five of the morning to like start cooking or, you know. When I was running kitchens for 20 plus years, and we'd work 80 to 100 hour working weeks, working hour weeks. I'd have the Beatles playing, Fleetwood Mac playing, just beautiful, uplifting music, sometimes classical. set the mood so that people are already in a joyous environment, you know, read the room, pick the room, create the room, you know, and just that simple thing, a little bit of music can go a long, long way, and that inclusion and that conversation about it, do you like it? And perhaps put some different condiments on the table, too, different sources, different herbs,

different spices, so your children or your partner and yourself can experiment. because our palettes, if we are constantly eating sort of non-delicious food, we can dull our senses. Right. So if we can start to incorporate, like I love what Bobby said recently. Like he's mainly eating meat plus fermented foods and for sauerkrauts, kimchi, pickles, they can be quite a lot for somebody who's never had it. But if we can keep introducing it on the table, like, it was great the other day. My daughter's a 20 to 21 and I always have the sourgents. on the table. I ate like Bobby does.

Yeah. And my oldest daughter who wasn't that, she didn't love the sauerkraut the other day. She'll mean she's 21 now. But she's like, I'll have some more of that. You know, I'm like, there we go. Like people's taste change. And sometimes we, the worst thing we can do is force. Like I was about before. Yeah. Just one of the greatest things I've ever. I remember a standoff when I was a little kid with Bulger. My mom had Tbili or something. I mean, you're going to eat it. I think it was six hours before it. I've never

touched it since. I've gone back to Kinawa. I was like, okay, I can do Kinawa Tabuli, but keep that vulgar away from me. So the last thing I'll say is one of the greatest lessons I've ever learned to part, instead of forcing invite, if you put an invitation there of the food on the table or anything, then it gives us the power to the person that's being invited to explore. They can say yes, they can say no, they can say maybe, maybe next time mom or dad, you know. But invitation is such a beautiful, beautiful word and intention for people. Awesome. Where do we follow the work that you're doing beyond just the book? Do you have, you know, social media where, you know. A little bit back on social media these days, a little bit on

Instagram and chef Pete Evans. I was canceled many years ago. Slowly, slowly, slowly coming. coming back just beautiful recipes these days I've taken off my conspiracy hat for now and yeah I my my heart and soul resonates with beautiful food fantastic thank you for joining us today really love you I love you brother thank you so much all right look you you you want this book the food is beautiful it's such a great journey and I you know I think it's it's an expansion just of this movement this is not a political movement this is a health movements movement of the people and really you know people having healthy stomachs the maha cookbook get it wherever books are sold this is a part of our

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Thank you so much. Keep it up. Thank you for spreading truth. We love you guys. Thanks for what you do. I want to thank Pete Evans for making his way into our studio here. It was so great. What a blast to do some cooking. I hope you think about, you know, it made me walkway saying, I want to do this more with our family. We all go out to eat. That's one thing. But sitting around cooked together, working together, getting your hands, you know, in the butter and in the salt and the spices together.

such a great family experience and it's those things that we you know we tend to get so busy and I think back to some of those memorable moments when I was a child it was little things like that just little moments you remember with your parents that you cherish forever I have had several moments that I'm going to cherish over the last several weeks and months traveling all around the world meeting people studying their culture being inside of their culture but also just seeing where the We all want freedom. We all want the right to choose. We all want a clean food supply. We all want clean water. We don't want chemicals and forever chemicals. We don't want corporations being allowed to poison us. But most importantly, we want control over our own bodies. And we want to make the

decisions for our children. It doesn't matter what nation you are in in the world. Doesn't even matter if you grew up with communism or if you grew up free. One thing I can can tell you nobody wants the government telling them how to raise their children and certainly what to put inside of their children. So we are all in this conversation together. I had, as I said at the top of the show, just an amazing journey in Japan. I'm going to be sharing some of the details of that and some of the people I met in shows in the future as we're sort of laying out this international conversation. The Highwire is now having. This is an international show which is a huge part of that.

But right now, this weekend, I'm heading back up into New York for the Farm Food Freedom Event in one of the coolest venues we'll ever see. That place is real. This is a barn built on Abby Rockefeller's Farm. This is the Rockefeller that resisted the craziness and decided she wanted to make the world a better place. This is her organic farm, Churchtown Dairy. I have done this event.

every year over the last couple of years, we all sitting around and just great experts talking, breaking bread. There's usually some local cheeses that are being made in breads and getting to be a part of a community. But come visit me there. It's one of the most sort of natural, interactive spaces that I get to speak in. And I can't wait for some of the great speakers are going to be joining me there. So that's this weekend, Abbey Rock and Verils Farm. You can just go to that website, get a ticket, Farm Food Freedom. It's at Maxcane.com slash events, of course, Maxcane, a farm match, a great thing you can get involved with if you want to find organic farms near you that you can directly purchase your food from.

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