The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 491: MEASLES BLAME GAME, FAUCI LAWYERS UP & THE CLANCY PHARMA CONNECTION

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

A battle erupts between RFK Jr. and Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro over two “measles-associated” deaths, vaccine misinformation, and the use of abortion-derived fetal cell lines in MMR production.Jefferey Jaxen investigates Merck’s claim that fulfilling President Trump’s order to split the MMR vaccine could take up to a decade. Plus, Fauci launches a legal defense fund as scrutiny of the COVID lab-leak cover-up intensifies.As closing arguments conclude in the Lindsay Clancy trial, Del sits down with board-certified clinical psychologist Dr. Roger McFillin to examine Clancy’s psychiatric-drug history and ask whether the pharmaceutical industry belongs on trial, too.Then, Del checks in with MAPS President Dr. James Neuenschwander about a MAPS physician’s appointment to the NIH and the upcoming MAPS conference.Guests: Aaron Siri, Esq., James Neuenschwander, M.D., Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPPAirdate: August 27, 2026Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Action. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time for us all to step out into the high wire. This week's show, the high wire, there are some that feel a little bit more death-defying than other high-wire shows. There's so much exploding in the news. week. In fact, this show just got bigger and more packed and more intense as we were putting it all together coming into the final minutes right before I just walked out here. But first of all, they got what they wanted, or at least they seem to have gotten what they wanted, which is

they need people to die from measles to push an agenda. What am I talking about? Well, you'd have to be sleeping under a rock if you missed this. Breaking news into us right now on the growing measles outbreak. We turned out to the ongoing measles outbreak. Health officials yesterday announced the first two measles associated deaths in this state in 35 years. Both of the individuals from Lancaster County were unvaccinated. Both were apparently unvaccinated against the virus. The two were not vaccinated against the virus. It was just a matter of time. Hopefully we have no more. The CDC says there are outbreaks in almost every state as vaccination rates continue to decline. Take a look at the map here. People are coming down with measles all across the country, more than 2,700, almost 2,800 cases this year in county.

The problem is, can be attributed to two people, Trump and RFK Jr. They've been campaigning against this vaccine, saying it's linked to autism, even though that's been widely disproven through numerous studies. Health officials are urging parents to make sure their children are vaccinated against measles. Here's the new flash. Don't mess with pharma, apparently. Here's the headline by Shapiro coming out on Bloomberg. RFK Jr. blamed by Pennsylvania governor after measles' deaths. Let's just talk about this for a second,

because obviously, if you watch the high wire, you know, we worked hard to get Robert Kennedy, Jr. into this position to start asking questions about the vaccine program. Why is it bigger than almost any other vaccine program in the world? Why are we so sick? Why are there so much autoimmune disease? We finally had an open ear in a president with President Trump, who not only during this current administration,

but from the very beginning, we've been reporting on the fact that President Trump has had a concern about vaccines. He was grilled on it multiple times when he was running for president the very first time. And so these two entities have come together, and I've seen all the media, all the social media you're watching too. Oh, Robert Kennedy Jr. is not doing enough or what's taking

so long. Well, now you were watching what happens when you try to do something in the vaccine space. Of course, this really is all coming from the fact that Robert Kennedy Jr. back last year, attempted under guidance from President Trump to reduce the vaccine program looking at other peer nations. And he was looking at Denmark and Germany that are, I think, vaccinating for maybe your 11 or 12 diseases instead of the 17 that we're vaccinating for. And of course, Robert Kennedy Jr. threw ASIP and went and made a recommendations. U.S. custody number of vaccines recommended for every child a move slammed by physicians. So this is what's happening, right?

So we're all a part of this now, right? We threw Robert Kennedy Jr. into this. And when I watched the news, do you ever just take a moment and just say, imagine if I was Robert Kennedy Jr., how would I handle this? How would I handle being accused of killing children from measles or President Trump, for that matter? This is obviously, you know, starting to churn into what I think is going to be a war, a war, really. And we're a part of this. We wanted this.

We wanted this conversation on the front row. So don't shirk away from it now if you're out there. This is the conversation we wanted to have happening. But we knew it wouldn't be a conversation. We knew it was going to be an argument. really big argument because we're pushing against the most powerful lobby in Washington. This is the industry that funds more politicians than any other industry in the world. So as we look at this and walk through this, I want to say there's some great reporting on this by

Sayer G. I don't know if you're following him on social media, but he has just been doing a standing job jumping on issues like this. So some of what I'm going to show you, I definitely grabbed some Sarah. He reached out and gave me some pointers and tips as I was sitting, as you are somewhat confused about what's going on. But let's start with the governor in Pennsylvania. Does he have an emotive? Is there motives outside of what you would expect? Well, obviously, he wanted to be a superhero on the front lines, pushing back against the reduction of vaccines that Robert Kennedy Jr. and Donald Trump have been working on. Of course, the executive order just a couple of weeks ago, confirming and even putting more power behind

this desire to reduce us from 17 viruses down to about 11. And let's be clear, we didn't drop the vaccine program from 90 vaccines down to 11 vaccines, which I see some of you reporting. Can we at least get our facts straight? There's still multiple doses of each. So it looks like it would be a reduction from 75 to 90 vaccines down to roughly 50 to 55. So now that we've got that aside, this is what we're seeing in the headlines from Shapiro. I want to look at the timing, right? You have Robert Kennedy, Jr. last year saying, I want to reduce the vaccine program. This is September 22nd, 2025. Shapiro administration releases clear evidence-based guidance, protect vaccine access, and personal freedom. I love that he's using this language.

After Trump administration panel so's confusion, of course, they're talking about ASIP. And don't you love that he's talking about personal freedom, parental freedom, to be able to vaccinate. No, no, no, no, you are doing, and let's be clear, is taking away parents' rights. All that has happened is Robert Kennedy Jr. has moved six of these vaccines into shared clinical decision-making, putting you back in charge of the conversation that you should have with your doctor. They haven't been removed from the schedule. They have not been thrown on a pile and burned, as some of you may, you know, hope that they were. All Robert Kennedy Jr. has said is, we want this to be a decision where parents are free to choose. So watch how Shapiro uses language. Look how manipulative this is. Look how much

he insults those that vote for him. Here's the next headline. So that was September 22nd. Now August 25th, 2026, Pennsylvania Department of Health confirms two measles associated deaths. This marks the first loss related to the highly contagious virus. What is all this motivation? Well, he was coming out. He's said from the beginning that he was against reducing this vaccine program. And so when we look at when the same confirmed cases, what does that mean? I think this is critical right now

because we have to recognize if you look at the CDC's only description of what confirmed means, this is what you find out. Confirmed means an acute federal rash illness with either an isolation of measles virus from a clinical specimen, detection of measles virus from a nucleic acid from a clinical specimen using polymarase chain reaction.

But that is PCR. We know how that can absolutely miscategorize or over find, you know, these issues. IgG serial conversion or a significant rise in measles, immunoglobulin, a positive serologic test for measles, immunoglobulin M, or direct epidemiological linkage to a case confirmed by one of the methods, meaning you have a rash. We knew you were someone that did have a confirmed case. You must have measles. But what I want to point out is not being stated is what is the strain of measles.

This is an important part of the conversation. No one ever wants to deal with, right? And we saw this in the Disneyland case that was used to try to push through SB 277 all way back in 2016. And essentially, what we found out is nearly 30% of those measles cases in that outbreak were vaccine-strain measles. They don't want you to know that. And we don't know.

Look, I'm not saying anything. What's amazing is how little we know. We don't really know what these cases are. We don't know what they were in the hospital for. It appears they appear to be dying with measles, which we learned during COVID, a car accident, but suddenly you died from COVID. Is this the same type of thing? I want to say that every death, obviously every death is a tragedy in this world. No one should die, especially young people, should not be dying early.

But when deaths are being used to push an agenda, we really have to look at what we're talking about. So on the other side, this is Governor Shapiro signs executive order safeguarding Pennsylvania's access to vaccines and protecting families' freedom to make their own health care decisions. No, you're not. You're making it for them, which is what you're fighting for. The date on that, I believe, was that? What date was that? October 2025.

then we go on to see this, right? Does this guy have an agenda? Does he have an issue? Shapiro administration's new vaccine education work group holds first meeting to provide evidence-based information to Pennsylvania's. That's December 18, 2025. We're going to go ahead and start our own education group outside of the recommendations by the CDC. And then ultimately, Josh Shapiro I's new powers that make COVID restrictions look like a warning shot. We've already seen how this kind of authority can be abused, and we cannot allow the mistakes of the past to be repeated. So the Democrats proposed change would give Pennsylvania's Department of Health centralized police powers under the guise of disease control measures, including the ability to enter homes and schools without a warrant, access confidential medical records, and impose statewide school mask mandates for disease prevention.

The Department of Health reports to the governor's office, meaning that this change would give Shapiro and his successors the ability to, ability to single-handedly implement draconian policies across the state. And we're seeing some of this ultimately because Robert Kennedy Jr. ended up saying that the governor is not giving HHS and CDC any of the information on these cases. And even Shapiro said, we're keeping it inside of our health. Well, I'll bet you all. That's what dictators do. And clearly, he is working on having dictatorial powers under emergencies.

Is this the type of emergency he's been dreaming about? he's been salivating for? Well, he's not alone. It's not just him. It's the Democratic Party, and they have a, you know, a machine that was built to protect and push Obamacare called Protect Our Care, but it has a whole new mission. But all the usual players, we're talking about people like Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

This is just one of the videos that they've put out there on their website, Protect, Our Care. Well, this is some of the headlines. Let's follow their headlines and timeline. Okay, December 9th, 2025. Protect Our Care expands public health watch to counter the Trump RFK Jr. War on public health. No, it's a war for choice. It's a war to give us back the power in our hands. Democrat Party obviously can't handle that. So this is a political organization now. August 19th, poll finds Trump's anti-vax executive order not just deadly to kids. Well, is it? We need some kids to die for that headline to make any sense, but to Chiope's political ambition.

So now they're firing out and saying, we're going to use measles outbreaks, COVID outbreaks, people dying from vaccine-preventable diseases as a way to assault Trump and the Republicans, I think, in the midterms. So these poor people that have passed away did not realize that they were going to be used as fodder in the middle of this insane battle. And, of course, Trump's anti-vaccine obsession becomes GOP political crisis. Public Health Project newsletter, August 20th, 20, 26. Oh, nice work, protect our care. And then do they get what they want?

It goes on in the news. Completely preventable. Two dead in Pennsylvania after RFK juniors told Lancaster County that the cure for measles, This chicken soup in vitamin A, August 25th. Look at that timeline. Bam, bam, bam. I'll say this. You know, if you are one of those families out there that don't vaccinate it, I'm one of those families that have made a different choice.

For many reasons, in fact, lower rates of all sorts of, you know, heart conditions and cancers that far outshines any of the couple of deaths you would have protected. But for whatever the choice, do you want to? to be going to a hospital where they want you to die. They want that headline. They need that headline. And how badly did they go out of their way to get this headline here? I mean, it seems to me all that Shapiro is really doing, if he's saying there's two deaths, is celebrating the fact that he must have one of the worst medical systems in all of the country, because, as I have said before, measles is not really deadly.

Here's the numbers before we ever had a vaccine. One in 500,000 deaths in America. That equals somewhere around four to 680 deaths a year. But there it was. This was the former CDC saying 0.2 per 100,000. So one in 500,000 was dying. If you just took the infections as they tracked them, it's a death rate of maybe one in 10,000.

Still a zero, and that one, certainly, you know, we should care about them, probably had other comorbidities, which is what Robert Kennedy Jr. is trying to find out here. What do we actually know about these cases? It appears as a motive, and why are you hiding the information? Well, maybe there is a bigger motive than just wanting to make people healthy. Are we all trying to get rich? Take a look at this. We're also one of the top sites in the entire country for vaccine production here in the Commonwealth,

employing thousands of Pennsylvanians in manufacturing vaccines. In fact, more than half of all vaccines administered in the United States come from a facility here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. This vaccine production is responsible for 4,700 jobs of our fellow Pennsylvanians and generates $4.74 billion. for our economy. It's also big business for us here in this commonwealth. Our health, our safety, and our economy all depend on people having access to vaccines. And sadly, RFK Jr. and the president want to try and take that away from us. So what would you do for $4.7 billion? You see what we're up against here? I mean, you want a motive? What's the motive? And what? And what?

What would the crime be? I don't know what the crime is. Maybe just is jumping the gun a crime, is maybe misrepresenting facts or hiding certain facts. I don't know. This is all going to play out, but it is all very suspicious. The timing. The Democratic Party has a think tank that says, let's get as many deaths as we can and use this against Trump. Shapiro's like, oh, hey, I'm your guy. Plus, I have $4.7 billion to make for my state by producing vaccines. Well, this is what's breaking this morning. This is from the corner. PA officials cite two measles associated deaths in Lancaster County, but the coroner there counts zero. A newborn tested positive. It goes on to say the Lancaster County coroner said Thursday, his office has not confirmed any deaths caused by measles. Contradicting an

earlier Pennsylvania Department of Health statement, and the governor, by the way, about two deaths in the county associated with a highly contagious disease. It goes on. to say on Thursday morning, Dea Montoni told Tribe Live his office was investigating the death of a newborn child who had tested positive for measles during an autopsy. But the cause of death was a traumatic laceration of the spleen, he said. In the opinion of forensic pathologist Dr. Wayne Ross, measles was not a contributing factor in the infant's death. Dea Montoni said. As for the second death, Deaumontoni said, we have no idea who that really is. is. Hmm. Doesn't sound like the type of thing all of news media should be jumping on and screaming

too dead for measles, at least not yet. And so as we look at this, one of the things I want to make sure is it can all be a little bit overwhelming. And, you know, there are people making different choices. Maybe your vaccine is worn off by now, as I think is a part of what's really probably going on here when we see these outbreaks. The vaccine is don't last. It's a problem. You can eradicate a disease with a leaky vaccine. But ultimately, there are parents making these choices. As I've said, I'm one of them. So how do we treat measles? I think it's important because it's clear if people are going into hospitals and dying like they did here in Texas, it looks like medical malpractice. So instead of being murdered by a doctor

doesn't know what they're doing, we a couple of months ago, maybe I think it was last year, interviewed a doctor that does know how you treat this. The old school way. You want to know what the old school way was. We reached out to Larry. He's buried today. So we thought, let's just flash back. Grab your notepad, be ready, because you may just be one of his parents

that's gonna have to nurse your child through the measles back the way they did during the Brady Bunch days. Here's what Larry had to say. I want to reiterate that measles infection in and of itself is not a deadly disease. It can resolve and does resolve 99 plus percent of the time. The most important thing for parents to understand,

is not to suppress the fever with acetaminopin. That drug can reduce the very chemical in the body called glutathione that your child with measles needs to complete the rest of the disease. Most importantly, put your kid in a quiet, dark room, don't increase the activity of the house, keep the lights down dim, and make sure your child stays hydrated, Warm fluids, not juices, not sodas, not milk, not formula, but warm broths, teas, soups, and quiet.

Let your child sweat it out. The CDC even recommends vitamin A. The science shows that if you give the vitamin A in consecutive days, so two or more days, you actually decrease the severity of illness and you decrease fatality. than if you just give it for only one day. And you can also use an acetyl cysteine, which is a very important precursor of glutathione. So we can actually help support these children.

I've seen it. I've done it. And in the 27 years of working with children whose families have not vaccinated them, I've never seen a death from measles. That's 27 years of cases. Well, there you have it. There's the crisis when it's handled by someone that knows what they're doing.

So be prepared, right? Be prepared for these. Like, do you have vitamin A in the house? Are you ready? You know, do you know where you're going to get your warm fluids, your bone broths, things like that? And obviously, obviously, because I know the news will go crazy. If things are really getting serious, you should always take your child to an ER. I don't want to make you afraid of doctors, but just be aware.

And also you should be shopping for doctors you trust right now that have access to the local hospital. There's a war going on and they're not being reasonable. They're being dangerous about this. They want people to die. That is not the right attitude when we think about the Hippocratic Oath do no harm. So find those doctors that are evolved that are going back and learning what the old school doctors, those silver hairs that are still in the office. They should probably go and get a couple of lessons.

Start building your plans for these moments now. Because remember, just, you know, if we're not vaccinating, if you're decided to make that decision, you are going to come across at some point these childhood illnesses. I want my kids to come up. I want them to get the measles. I want them to develop that immunity. I want that to prime their immune system, which means I have to be educated on what I do when we come in to that moment. And so should you.

A giant show coming up here today, as I said. I got Aaron Siri coming on. He got dragged into the middle of this measles death story himself and some of the work he's done with ICA. And we're going to discuss that. I've got James Newenschwander coming up who has an incredible announcement about MAPS doctors. We've got our first MAPS doctor in a high position at the NIH. And of course, he's the head of maps. We're going to talk about what that means for the future of pediatric care. And I'm going to talk about this Lindsay Clancy story, which is a horrible story about a mother. who, you know, murdered her three children, but ultimately what's behind it, postpartum, but also how many pharmaceutical drugs was you on? I'm going to talk to psychologist Roger McPhillan about that. But speaking of what's in the news, it's time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey. Boy, it's been a busy week. Here we are again with the measles, Dell.

Yeah. Let's talk. All right. Let's talk about what the public is being told is the only, number one, no other tool in the toolbox when it comes to measles, which is the liability-free product, MMR, the measles, mom's for Bella, vaccination, that the makers, the pharmaceutical makers, have no liability if it harms children, but they can just give this. This is what people are being told in Pennsylvania, in Texas, wherever these measles outbreak

happen, is to just go get your shot. Well, something happened just about two weeks ago with that shot. A big shakeup, President Trump, remember, said this. The MMR, which hopefully will be split up, you have the MMR. We wanted in three separate vaccinations, given it separate times. Together, there could be a possibility. They're quite lethal. And separately, it looks like they are not at all lethal, but just very effective.

So the MMR, we want to have separate, separate visits, separate times. the vaccine being broken into three separate single doses and vaccines being administered in separate visits. Yep, amazing. It is political season here, and there's a lot of shenanigans going on. And so that's an executive order by Trump saying we need to split this up. There may be some concerns giving them all at once. Okay. Well, big pharma fires back.

Merck fires back. This is Reuters. They say this. Trump's goal to split MMR vaccine could take, ready? A decade. experts say Reuters and they go on to say this is from Merck quote even under current expedited review pathways it could take years potentially as many as 10 to meet the safety and efficacy requirements to obtain FDA approval and then began manufacturing and commercialization of single

dose shots Merck said okay well they're not reinventing the wheel here the serum institute in India is the largest global supplier right now of the single dose monovolent dose of the measles vaccine of the Rebella vaccine you have of Japan making mumps single monovent dose mumps vaccine. So this is not unheard of. What is unheard of is 10 years because I don't know about you, but I think all of us just remember living through headlines that look like this

for an experimental shot during a pandemic. The fastest vaccine in history, UCLA Health. Another one, COVID-19 vaccines, we're developing record time. Can we make future vaccines even faster? No, we can't. 10 plus years for future vaccines to split them up even though Merck already has the proprietary information to do this and the technology to do this, they can do this 10 years. This is called, in my opinion, running the clock. They're trying to

just wait this administration out and see what happens afterwards. But I want to remind people with the Mumps vaccine, that MMR, that component, the Mumps vaccine of this, it can't be really made safe in a single vaccine. There is a lawsuit, an antitrust lawsuit on this that just ended a few years ago, this is Reuters, Merck immune from antitrust claim that it misled FDA about Mumps vaccine court rules. What it did was there was claims that it's 95% efficacy that it was claiming was not happening because the shelf life was degrading the efficacy of this vaccine. So they had to go back. They did another study. It's called Protocol 707. Anybody can look this up. And they jacked up the antibodies. They're actually adding animal antibodies into this study to top it off.

in order to show it was effective. And they made it so, so unreal that no other company could compete with it. Therefore, they gained a monopoly. They were sued in court because they falsified this study. The court, as it showed there with Reuters, said, because the FDA approved it, it's the FDA's fault.

So they weaseled out of that antitrust case. But here's the court case, and the judge actually said this about the case. She said, the record contains troubling evidence that Merck sought to extend its apparent monopoly by misrepresenting facts about its mumps vaccine on the FDA-approved drug labeling. They falsify this study. So this is probably what Big Pharma is scared of and wants 10 years or someday, maybe never, to do

because they're going to have to go back to the drawing board with these single vaccines and test them against a true placebo control, trial for safety, long-term safety windows, efficacy, not just antibody studies, not just animal antibody studies. This is a massive problem. And I really do hope the Trump administration checkmates this and makes them do this because it can happen quicker than 10 years, maybe 10 months. It's wild. I mean, I don't know.

Are we in a weird position here? You and I are fighting to be able to fast-track a vaccine onto the scale. I'm not sure what I stand right here, Jeffrey. We're in strange space. But it is ironic, isn't it, that you can rush an experimental gene-spicing, gene-editing, Dine editing therapy that essentially killed all the animals in the animal trials. We can get that done in a couple months, turn that into a vaccine and tell everyone in the world to get it.

But to take the MMR, which is manufactured separately, not manufactured together, and just say, leave them apart for those that want that choice. And I want to make it clear our position here has always been. It's the informed consent action network. It's not abolished vaccines from the planet Earth network. It's the informed consent action network. I want you to be informed. I want you to know that this is right here a vaccine insert for MMR.

It lists all sorts of horrific side effects, including brain swelling and paralysis. You need to be informed about all of those things. And if you think it might be safer and you really do want that measles vaccine, why shouldn't you be allowed to get that separately? We do see an increase in the complaints about autism based on the work. by Dr. Andrew Wakefield. So choice, choice, choice, and yes, always the choice to choose not to get any of them is at the forefront of everything we're talking about here.

But you're right. I mean, this is insane. You can rush a brand new technology, but you can't. And it does. They're showing their hand. They are really terrified that we are going to start analyzing and reanalyzing. Well, what does the measles vaccine actually do? How many people's it work for?

How long does it last? things that never were done before. And there's a rare legal and I would say social window right now for justice, not just for true vaccine trials if they want to do them, but also for justice with the people that perpetrated the fraud during the pandemic. So we have Dr. Fauci laughably he's put forward, or I should say his lawyers put forward a, I guess, kind of like GoFundMe like legal funding mechanism to help him.

him fight for justice. I stand with Fauci and fall for anything if you're going to do that. The highest paid employee in Washington, D.C., who had millions of dollars, as we reported last week, put into a, you know, mailbox somewhere, some post office box that is now about to be paid out billions of dollars for that post office box existence. He needs your help. He needs your help now. Okay, got it. I think what this really is. I think, Jeffrey, I think, I think, I think This is really just an IQ test for the world. Who are the most gullible people on planet Earth? Let's collect those names in a fun Tony Fauci's legal case.

All right. That's right. And you can give zero dollars and put a comment in there if anybody cares to do that. But you have Department of Justice head, the new head, Tom Blanche, Fauci's fate rests in his hands. They're still waiting, we're all waiting on some type of movement on that. Then you have Paul Thorson.

Remember Paul Thorson did some of the last. of a landmark research on vaccines and autism and shockingly found nothing for the CDC. There's no link between vaccines and autism. Well, he took the money. He fled to Germany. He was extradited back to the United States. He's expected to plead guilty, according to prosecutors. A Danish doctor expected to admit to fraud involving U.S. research funds. So the fraud reaches way beyond COVID here. We're talking about Mumps vaccine research. We're talking about vaccine autism research, CDC, it goes beyond that. But remember now, we have it just admitted guilty with co-conspirators as well as Dr. David Morin's Fouchy's top advisor. Now, the Telegraph is really throwing this forward because we have

potential other prosecutions that can happen here with this evidence. So here's the article from the telegraph. And again, it's pushing the social pressure. British scientists plotted to cover up COVID lab leak. So it goes on to say in June 2020 emails show that Morin's agreed to write a, quote, scientific commentary, outlining the importance of Dr. Dazick's work. Remember, Peter Dazick, formerly Eco Health Alliance head, he put together the diffuse kind of idea to put, to make gain of function of research and soup up these coronaviruses to infect humans. That was him. They outsource it to the Wuhan lab. That's Dazic. He says his work while keeping the zoologist's name out of the article. Samorans was working

to run cover for Dazek. Giving the impression it was a wholly independent. He told Dr. Dazek via email, let's win this anti-science battle, get you refunded, then settle the scores and kick some ass." End quote. So, complete inversion of reality there. You have Morin's NIH working to hide gain of function research and get DASIC and Equal Health Alliance refunded because funding was polled rightly from them because they had their fingerprints all over this gain of function. Now, it goes on to say this.

A couple of weeks later in this Telegraph article, court documents show Dr. Dazzick sent two bottles ready of the prisoner red Napa Valley wine to Morns with a message saying, quote, this is the first of what I hope will be a continued series of expressions of gratitude for your advice, support, and behind the scenes shenanigans in my battle against your boss's boss, his boss, and the ultimate boss on the hill referring to Donald Trump.

Wow. I mean, you know what I love about this, Jeffrey? First of all, it's obvious this guy's a useful idiot that now everyone is terrified. How many emails did I have? with this moron. And I think you have a sense of that they knew he was a useful idiot. Like just get Morin's to do it. He'll erase anything. He'll burn anything. I mean, he's an idiot. And you know how I know this because like if you were really having your butt covered by someone you respected, you would say to your, you know, secretary, hey, can we send over a couple

bottles of Dom Perignon over to Morans? You know, the guy's like doing us a salad. He's basically, you know, taking all of my words, but, you know, letting me ghost right and having me. other people take the fall. But this secretary is like, Don Pernan. No, no, no, not Don Pernan. For him, we want prisoners red. We look this up, by the way. There it is.

3199 is what the value of having this moron cover up your tracks for you. Nothing gets prisoner red, by the way. And is it ironic name, The Prisoner? I mean, you can't write this stuff. It's like moments like this, Jeffrey. I really wonder, am I in a computer program? Is there some computer, like say, Dell, wake up. You're in a vatid jelly with tubes coming out your neck.

There's no way he sent prisoner red to the guy that's going to prison for lying for everybody. But, hey, who knows? I guess truth is stranger than fiction. Yeah, no honor amongst the thieves, fraud, fraudulent circle all the way around, even in the gifts. They can't stop expressing their fraud. So it goes on in this article to say, final thing here. The next month, Morin's published an article titled The Origin of COVID-19 and Why It Matters, in which he argued that COVID-19 was a, quote, natural spillover from animals and called for the work such as Dr. Dazix to be funded to prevent another pandemic.

Imagine that. And you can see this email here. I want to bring attention to this email. This is from Dr. Morin's to Peter Dazek, and he says this. Second line, I know that it must be hard when you're being pilloried. But my sense is that we are at a time when you need to be the victim being saved by noble champions. Will noble champions step up? Let's all work behind the scenes to reverse this injustice.

I don't know how, but my boxing gloves are on and laced up, David. The literal bad poetic expression of a conspiracy there. That is it. That's it. We have nothing else to look at. So Peter Dazek, I don't know where he is right now, but I really hope the Department of Justice is moving. And then finally, one more gentleman, I'm sorry, not a doctor, David Farrar, I'm sorry, Jeremy Farrar, Top British scientists steps down from WHO.

He was leading the WHO. He came from the Welcome Trust, but he then stepped into the WHO to lead that. He has just stepped down. The timing is very interesting, because remember, he was sending right when this pandemic kicked off, you had the first cases in China. In February of 2020, he's sending emails,

frantic emails to Tony Fauci, to Francis Collins. And I want to look at some of those emails, just to remind people, because he's on the chopping block too legally. He says this to Collins and Fauci, on a spectrum of zero is natural and 100 is released. I'm honestly 50. My guess is that this will remain gray unless there is access to the Wuhan Lab, and I suspect that is unlikely. But gray from a respected group under the umbrella of, let's say, the WHO would itself help? So he's saying, we don't know what this is, but let's put this under a respected group because we can cover for it.

Because Fauci, I know you're funding gain of function. I know we have our hands all over this. to we need to turn this time, we need to have people look away. He goes on to say this, being very careful in the morning, this is again to Fauci's teeth, he's telling Fauci how to message things in the media. Being very careful in the morning wording, quote, engineered, probably not, remains very real possibility of accidental lab passage in animals to give glycans. We'll forward immediately, or if you want to give Eddie a ring, Eddie's another scientist here, 6040 on lap side, I remain 50-50, he says. Then he immediately gets with all of these science

All of the authors of what would turn into the proximal origins of SARS-CoV-2 that was written in nature, that killed the conversation. If you didn't think it was natural origin, you were conspiracy theorists because of this paper. Ferrar quarterback that, and he says, my preference is that a carefully considered piece of science early in the public domain will help mitigate more polarized debate. If not, the debate will increasingly happen. He doesn't want debate to happen. And science will be responding to it, not a good position to be in. I thought science was supposed to respond to it. I thought we were the science here. Why doesn't he want that? Why doesn't he want to try to control that? Again, you get all people

trying to control this narrative from the backside and you're also behind the scenes, everything under the covers and you're getting people that have their hands, their hands are dirty in this, gain of function funding people trying to steer this narrative away from it. This continued smoking guns here. It can't stop at Morin's. There's more evidence clearly for Farrar, clearly for DASIC, we're waiting to see if that's going to happen. It really makes me realize, unfortunately, how political this has become. I mean, we do see the Democratic Party really aligning to support Fauci, to protect him, to try and hide him.

You had the former Democratic president, you know, preemptively pardoning Fauci, but it didn't preemptively pardoned Zazak or Morans, as we now know, who is going to go off to jail. But what about Walensky? What about Janet Woodcock? All of these, you know, Senator Johnson, if you're watching. I mean, I think they're on this. I would have to imagine it's not lost on Johnson or on Rand Paul that you need, you're getting somewhere now. The rats are jumping ship.

They're leaving their posts at the WHO. But what happens if you put pressure on those that were actually questioning it? You know, we've got some new information that the Surgeon General had some questions about vaccine injury. Put them on the stand. Go at them and see what they're involved in. was and see what they sing about. But then you think about this election coming up. And we're not a political show.

I'm just analyzing what I'm seeing here, right? Like ultimately, you vote for whoever you want, it's a free country. But in this issue, you can tell how important it is. I mean, if they can swing the House and Senate, then Senator Johnson doesn't have that. Am I right? Senator Johnson loses the committee where he can have subpoena power. So does Rand Paul. You can see how important this is to him.

It's why you have an entire democratic apparatus now building up around these health issues, around the vaccine, around pharma. It's all so strangely interconnected. Great reporting, Jeffrey. We're not getting off of this. I've got popcorn now every single day. It feels like another morsel is getting us closer and closer to really getting to the bottom of how this all came together. Great reporting. And you've been also covering breaking news on the download every Monday.

I got so many people reaching out. Everyone said, download this week was amazing, Dell, so I wanted to pass it on to you. I did have several people looking out. So just for people that maybe are hearing about the first time, when do they watch the download on Monday? When are you dropping those shows?

Yeah, that's 8 p.m. And I've had a couple people ask. It's on Rumble, YouTube, X, and right here at thehighwire.com, we're streaming natively and our own website. So four places to watch it, and then you can watch your reruns afterwards. So 8 p.m. Eastern.

that's it. All right, Jeffrey, keep up the good work. Thank you very much. I want to jump back in this measles thing. Aaron Siri was on an airplane a little bit earlier. We wanted to sort of grab him because actually the work that we do here, the work that you have funded, if you're one of the donors to ICAN, got thrown right into the middle of this measles' death debate.

But let's return to Shapiro. This is the accusation he made against Robert Kennedy Jr. The reason why I was late is I've been sitting out in the parking lot talking to Secretary Kennedy who reached out to me this morning. And while I appreciate his willingness to offer staff to assist us, we think we're able to manage this through the Department of Health. I was very, very blunt with him. And I made very clear that his actions and the rhetoric that's coming from this administration, are having a negative impact on communities across America, particularly right here in Pennsylvania, that there's real-life consequences to spreading misinformation. There's real-life consequences

to scaring people and not relying on actual doctors and actual medical professionals to provide unbiased information to parents so that we can make reasonable decisions for our kids. Sharing conspiracy theories and misinformation does not help the cause of public health. And it leaves people less healthy and less safe. And it leaves parents in a position where it's harder for us to do our jobs to protect our children. I love how it says unbiased information like calling a ruptured spleen, a measles death, you mean. It's really incredible. And, you know, we see the motivations.

as we see the funding. But Robert Kennedy, Jr. talked a little bit about that call that Shapiro said he had out in the parking lot. This was a ex post that he put out, I believe it was yesterday. At his press conference today, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro accused me of promoting conspiracy theories because I told him during an earlier telephone conversation that some Americans had religious objections to the MMR vaccine because it contained fetal tissue. There is no fetal tissue in the MMR, he told me.

This is a segment from a videotaped deposition of Stanley Planned. the inventor of the MMR vaccine. He goes on to describe what, of course, the Stanley Plotkin deposition that was conducted by our own Aaron Siri on behalf of ICANN. So since this is really blown up our website, I thought, let's revisit what we captured the godfather of vaccines saying about the non-existence. Apparently there is no aborted fetal DNA in vaccines or not many, not too many abortions. Take a look at this.

In your work related to vaccines, how many fetuses have been part of that work? My own personal work, too. I'm going to hand you what's been marked plaintiffs Exhibit 41. OK. Are you familiar with this article, Dr. Plotkin? Yes.

Are you listed as an author on this article? Yes. This study took place at the Wistar Institute, correct? Yes. You were at the Winstar Institute, correct? Yes. How many fetuses were used in the study described in this article? Quite a few.

This study involved 74 fetuses, correct? I don't remember exactly how many. Turn to page 12 of the study? Yeah, 76. 76. And these fetuses were all three months or older when aborted, correct? Yes. And these were all normally developed fetuses, correct?

Yes. What organs did you harvest from these fetuses? Well, I didn't personally harvest any, but a whole range of tissues were harvested by coworkers. Okay. And these pieces were then cut up into little pieces, right? Yes. And they were cultured? Yes.

Okay. Some of the pieces of the fetuses were pituitary gland. that were chopped up into pieces to... Mm-hmm. Okay, included the lung of the fetuses? Yes. Okay, included the skin? Yes.

Kidney? Yes. Spleen? Yes. Yes. And tongue? I don't recall, but probably yes. So, I just want to make sure I understand.

In your entire career, and this was just one study. So I'm going to ask, I'm going to ask you again, in your entire career, how many fetuses have you worked with? Well, I don't remember the exact number, but quite a few when we were studying them originally before we decided to use them to make vaccines. Do you have any sense? I mean, this one study had 76. How many other studies did you have that you used the border fetuses for? Oh, I don't remember how many. Are you aware that one of the objections of vaccination by the plaintiff in this case is the inclusion of aborted fetal tissue in the development of vaccines and the fact that it's actually part of the ingredients of vaccines?

Yeah, I'm aware of those objections. The Catholic Church has actually issued the document on that which says that individuals who need the vaccine should receive the vaccine. vaccines regardless of the fact. And that, I think it implies that I am the individual who will go the hell because of the use of aborted tissues, which I am glad to do. Okay. Do you know if the mother is Catholic? I have no idea. Okay. Do you take issue with religious beliefs? Yes. You have said that, quote, vaccination is always under attack by religious zealots who believe that the will of God includes death and disease. Yes. You stand by that statement? I absolutely do. Okay. Are you an atheist? Yes. I mean, there's the head of your vaccine, the developer of your vaccine program.

I'm going to bring on Aaron Sereners a second, but just for your own records, because we like to give you truth. Here are the vaccines that actually contain some of the aborted fetal DNA that plot can lost count of at about 76 babies. You have per C6. This is a 16 to 18-18-week. week old aborted fetus was used in and for development of the COVID-19 vaccine and Ebola vaccines. You also have MRC-5, that's a 14-week-old aborted male fetus, used in or development of chickenpox, hepatitis A and B, and typhoid, MMR, rabies, shingles, and smallpox vaccine. And WI-38 and Walvax 2, that's a 12-week-old aborted female fetus used in and for development of adenavirus, chickenpox, M.M.R. Rubella, and shingles vaccines.

So unfortunately, the guy that apparently has $4.7 billion of pharma money pouring into his state doesn't actually know what real information is. He calls it misinformation. And as I pointed out, this insert, which shows up, he doesn't want you to read it. He wants you to get unbiased information, but God forbid you ever read all of the side effects and ingredients that are in your vaccines. That's the work that we do. here. That work is only possible in many ways from the extraordinary efforts that Aaron Siri has made through the years for us. Aaron enjoys me now. Aaron, this is an incredible moment and we sort of is, is Aaron frozen? Okay. Okay. All right, oh, I want you to, while we're

looking to get him relinked, you can watch all of those amazing Plotkin videos. This is the QR code for that. The Bitley is is Stanley Plotkin deposition. And we've cut out all of it. It's about a nine-hour deposition, but there are some whammers that have been used in our talks and in legal cases ever since then.

Aaron, first of all, sort of surprising HHS Secretary, Robert Kennedy Jr. drags the Plotkin video out to defend himself. Are you surprised by that? He's frozen again. This is... Yeah, there he is. I can hear you.

ahead and speak. I can hear you, I think. All right, let's look at the MMR vaccine insert real quick while we're, you know, talking about this. This is where it actually says propagated. This is the, I didn't write this. This is the MR2 vaccine insert. We've told you how to find this. You just go to FDA licensed vaccines, propagated in WI-38 human diploid lung fiberblasts, and that is the Rubella part of the MMR vaccine. When we talk about breaking it up, the Rebella vaccine is grown on the lung fiberblasts of that aborted baby. And so you're injecting that. You can't clean it before it ends up in the vaccine.

And therefore, this is a religious exemption by many. To me, it's a moral objection. This is a, I think this vaccine is an abomination, frankly. And it's incredible that, you know, people don't even recognize that that's happening. certainly heads of states where this much funding is going on. It looks like we're having some trouble getting Aaron. We're going to work. I'm going to give them a few more seconds.

But while we're doing that, why don't we play the Teresa Dysher? Oh, here he is. Here he is. Aaron's back. Okay, sorry about that. All right. You're in the middle of Robert Kenny Jr. dragged you into this again. And this time I love it. I love that you're in here for this deposition.

But you have been, I mean, one of the headlines right now are the Amish ready to flee New York because of this vaccine issue. You are dealing with cases working with the Amish. You know the religious background. You understand all this. So, you know, what do you think about, first of all, this determination that two are dead. What bothers you about the reporting right now on this? that it's that it's um it's kind of the same old tale of deception intended to promote vaccines. I mean, that's really what it is, unfortunately, rather than actually a thoughtful, careful

public health approach, which is what it should be. So, um, uh, you know, this is a unique situation because we have the commissioner in the, the commissioner in the county where the two individuals died, giving us the inside information, which we normally wouldn't get. Normally, the governor gives you information. The head of the health department gives information. And then you kind of, you know, and then after that, we go into gear and we'll submit a FOIA request, like, or we'll end up representing the families. And then we actually get the real story months and months and months later, or sometimes years later. Like, remember when Maine went out and said, oh, there's a me.

case and then only, you know, two years later after we did a freedom of public records request, we found out that wasn't actually from the wild measles, that was from the vaccine, strain measles, for example. Or the two kids in Texas, they claimed died of measles. Well, we didn't have their information at the time. Later on, we ended up representing one of the families. We got their underlying documents. And, you know, it's clear. And we put a whole letter together. We sent it to members of Congress. Those kids did not die of measles. Here we have another situation, but what's different here is that we don't have to spend the next two years figuring it out and then reporting on it. Luckily, we have a very brave,

the commissioner Josh Parsons, he's the commissioner in the county where the two individuals died, and he's telling us exactly what the coroner and pathologist found there. Those are the individuals who need to assess the cause of death. Those are you who rely upon. Remember, touch the professionals, Trust the doctors. Okay, here they are. What did they conclude? For one of the, one of the, the newborn that they said died, they said it was not the vaccine according to the commissioner.

He said that they concluded that the pathologist and the coroner said it is not, excuse me, it is not measles. I said not the vaccine. That it is not measles, period. And so that in of itself gives lie to the entire press, conference that Governor Shapiro gave in which Governor Shapiro, he called them associated to his credit, right? Clearly, they even knew they weren't caused because even the governor and the State Health Department didn't say cause. They didn't say from. They said associated. You know what else

is associated, by the way? That the sun rose, okay? Associated is not as meaningful, okay? They didn't say cause. They didn't say from. And there's a reason for that. It's because they didn't have the support that show that it's from that. And luckily, and here's the thing. But what Governor Shapiro did is he said the last death from measles was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the way that he framed it was as if measles did cause his death. And what did the New York Times report in their headline from measles?

What did all the other papers report it as? from measles, right, or caused by measles. That's how they reported it. Did the governor go out and correct it? No. Did the head of the health department go out and correct it? No. Because do they care about truth?

Clearly not because if they would have, they corrected it. Do those papers care to issue a correction? No. You think they will? No. I mean, after all, here's the way they're going to approach it. Now they're just going to have to ignore with the coroner and the pathologist that actually in that county concluded with regards to that newborn baby.

They have to ignore that, that reality. Instead, they have to go to some, oh, well, maybe the spleen rupture could be caused from measles by Paul Offutt, except the coroner said who knew it was a spleen rupture, it wasn't measles. He concluded that it wasn't measles. Here we have it says the cause of death was a traumatic laceration in spleen. He said in the opinion of forensic pathologist, Dr. Wayne Ross, Meals was not a contributing factor. That's the official statement, as you're saying, by the scientists in charge, not working for CHOP or the pharmaceutical industry,

but someone actually with their hands on this child, this unfortunate death. Well, not just anybody, just to be clear, the literal individual that is mandated under Pennsylvania law and that you would look to, even if not mandated by law, to do this exact, What was the cause of death? Somebody found, you know, dead in an alley. Who's going to review that? How are they going to determine the cause of death? We've all seen those movies, the shows on TV.

It's going to be these same individuals. So trust them when they won't, but then they don't. And, you know, and my favorite part, by the way, about this whole story is that the commissioner has said, we haven't received any reports of measles death. And by law, by law, we were, we were supposed to. to receive those reports if there was a report of a child dying of measles. The state health department then put out a statement that said the following. And he's got no reports of measles deaths.

So he says, there are no deaths from measles. The state health department put out a statement saying the following, quote, not all deaths are referred to a coroner under Pennsylvania law, end quote. Okay, you're like, oh, okay, that's a good explanation. Here's a problem with that explanation. And it shows you clear deception by the State Department of Health. Because it's true. That statement is true.

Not all deaths. If somebody dies of natural causes at 90 years of age, that doesn't need to be reported. But anybody that dies from an infectious disease or a reportable infectious disease like measles under Pennsylvania law, according to the commissioner, needs to be reported. Okay? So this should have been reported according to the commissioner under Pennsylvania law. It wasn't. And that point stands the site, the deceptive conduct by the State Department of Health, clear the conduct turnover their tracks instead of just doing the right thing, honestly, and saying, yeah, we got ahead of our skis. Which is exactly what this looks like. Are there any repercussions for this government? It seems to me in any other climate, any other time in my

lifetime, this type of, you know, misinformation, screaming, you know, fire in a crowded room on national television and measles' deaths, and, you know, and now it's proving to be a dramatic overstatement is the best I can say. I'd like to use the word lie, but if you were my attorney, you'd be saying, we're not quite there yet, Del, you don't know his motivation. If I remember the last time I used that word. But this, this, this, you're going to be saying, you're not quite there yet, Del. I'll, you don't know his motivation. should be a horror show. It's a horror show for the Democrat Party. It's a horror show for all the news media that jumped on or misrepresenting this. But he's just going to walk away and everyone will act like this didn't happen, right? And there'll be a lot of people that will still think,

you know, two years down the road, remember those two people that died in Pennsylvania from measles? I think that, I think the repercussion for this kind of misinformation from an elected official, or governor actually might get them a spot to run for presidency for one of the parties in our country today. It's true. Yeah. It's a really... Unfortunately, I have to say that.

You know, and hopefully that'll change. Hopefully that'll change. But there's certainly at least there is a... There is no tall tale, no deception, no misinformation, misconstruing that is deemed unacceptable when it comes to making to promoting these products. Their view of the universe, as far as I can tell, and it's laid out, you know, when you look case after case is that they believe for the greater good

that they can, there is no line that they can cross because they have to save everybody. They think that, you know, everybody's going to die. Yeah. And that they are here to save us. They are the saviors. And that's why the health department will just flat out mislead by claiming not all deaths seem to be reported.

They knew what they were doing. They knew how they were misrepresenting. That's why they'll say, Musal's associated, because they know everybody will be confused by that, you know, and they'll push it, and then they'll frame it around everything else. So they know, you know,

they know that it will be misconstrued in any event. Yeah. I know you feel probably at least as many, if not more, calls from reporters at moments like this, as does Robert Kennedy, Jr., they always come with the same trove. What do you have to say two kids are now dead for measles?

The work that you do promotes vaccine hesitancy, which leads to deaths. How do you respond to that as the attorney for I can and the work that you're doing? What is your response to that accusation? First of all, at the end of the day, everybody should have choice, period. Everybody takes risks in their lives,

in this country. When you get in a car, you take a risk, when you get on a plane, when you take any drug out there, okay? The question is whether or not for that individual, do the benefits outweigh the risk? And the way they view things, their view of the universe is that the benefits always outweigh the risks when it comes to these products. They have no regard for any particular child that might even have a hundred percent chance. You know, there are some kids that have, that end up being paralyzed, right, from trans or myelitis from getting a vaccine. We know some of these families, right? You and I both know them. There are those who die from these products. Let me tell you, those kids had a 100% chance of the benefit, the risk outweighing the benefit. How do I know they're

dead? They're in a wheelchair. There's something horrible to them. So medicine needs to be individualized. You know, their whole point is to fearmonger and try to basically throw out. all ethics regards to medicine, how it should be practiced and say, one side fits all for everybody, no questions asked, period. That's not the case. And then also, if they believe these products are so great and the benefits over the risk, I don't understand what they're billions of dollars every year to promote them, why they can't persuade the public. They think, what, the few million dollar budget that ICANN has is somehow a match to their billions and billions, the billions that the federal government spends promoting vaccines, the billions of the state health department

spends, the billions of pharma spends, and the whole entire mainstream media, all promoting vaccines. But the few million dollars that ICAN has and maybe CHD has a few million, and then some other groups, maybe that's it, that's all there is. You're telling me that that is what's causing vaccine hesitancy. We're that powerful? That's incredible. here's the wake-up call to those reporters, and this is what I tell them.

I don't have that kind of platform. None of us do. You've got millions of folks who have been negatively affected by these products, okay? And there's no amount of gaslighting them, there's no amount of berating them, there's no amount of telling them that what they experience and what they know is not true is going to make them believe what they saw and experienced with their own eyes or what they know or what they read in the actual primordial resources. You just can't undo that. That's the reality. Well, I love that you're out there fighting for those families, fighting for I can, bringing the truth, stepping in, as you said, into the cases like the parents of the child that died in Texas, where clearly you had more

medical negligence going on there than an association with measles. But you're the best, the best. Where can we follow? You've got a lot of socials going now. You're out there talk about these things as they break. So what's the best way to track directly with the work that you're doing now? Well, a lot of the work that I do is right on I can't decide.org. So, you know, so that right there you can find a lot of it. But in terms of my socials, I'm on Twitter and you can go to Aaron Serrier official.com and you can, you know, you can see all the different other handles and so forth. And I have a substack. Awesome. Great work, Aaron. Thank you for all that you do. We appreciate it.

Thank you, Doug. All right, take care. Listen to as he tells that story, just for those of you that donate to ICANN and the High Wire, this isn't like any other news agency. We step in and we don't just investigate. We make change. We bring lawsuits. You know, you hear measles deaths in Texas. Aaron went in and started representing one of those families. There's so much that we do. We don't talk about it until after the key. case usually because we don't want to mess it up in court or, you know, involve, we're not here trying to brand a lawsuit or use it to make money. All we can do is show you our track record. I'm going to be honest with you. There's some cases right now that Aaron, Siri would like to have

funded, would like to jump into. And we got 90 cases. I'm like, Aaron, we're kind of maxed out. Like, we have an amazing group. You were all making this happen. But the crisis point is now. You can feel it. It's the zeitgeist is now. You got Robert Kennedy Jr. pushing the envelope now. We need to be in courtrooms. We need to be winning. We need to be setting precedents and pouring a, you know, a 10-foot concrete wall around the truth so that it can't be attacked again. So if you want to help us expand our reach into more lawsuits, we really think could be difference makers. Only you can do that. I mean, we're happy with where we're at. We're doing tons. I think we've got 90 cases going on right now. And for a lot of people,

that would be enough. But who else is there? Who else is going to be? in these cases, you want any other law firm other than ones that are winning all the time? Aaron Siri, his staff of incredible lawyers, we want to do more. And only you can make that happen now. So if you can up your donation, if you're giving $26 a month, are you capable of giving 50? Can you give a large donation? Did you, you know, did you just inherit some funds? If you want to be involved in one specific lawsuit or, you know, know that you made a difference

in one thing, we can work directly with you, can reach out to info at. I can decide.org. It's upon us. We have, we're in the middle of a war now. It's a war of words. They keep screaming misinformation as all they deliver is misinformation. We want to be loud in every courtroom across this country. Please help us make that happen to everyone that donates ICAN. Thank you. Look at where we're at. Plotkin videos popping up, getting, you know, hundreds of thousands of views around the world as people are watching. This is what we do at the Highwire, speaking of the news and being in the news, a horrific story that has grabbed everyone's attention, but is bringing a lot of conversation where maybe conversation needs to happen.

Take a look at this. The triple murder trial underway Massachusetts. The highly anticipated trial of a mother charged with murdering her three children. Defense resting their case in the trial of Lindsay Clancy. The Massachusetts mother accused of killing her three children before attempting. to take her own life. All the children were under the age of five, and Clancy is now paralyzed from the waist down.

Her defense attorneys, while not disputing that Lindsay killed her children, are arguing that she was experiencing postpartum psychosis and should not be held criminally responsible for the deaths. This is a woman that was suffering from psychosis at the time that she went down to that basement. But prosecutors argue she carefully planned the gruesome crimes. After three weeks of 10,

weeks of testimony and more than 80 witnesses, the case igniting a national debate about maternal health. Hundreds gathering outside the courthouse to show their support. You can see just how many people dressed in pink, hand in hand, united, all in support of Lindsay Clancy. But others are taking to social media to express shock over the display of support for 36-year-old Lindsay. Are people really cheering for someone who murdered her kids? Three innocent children were brutally murdered. And that's why I'm here. All homicides are bad. But cases like this where a mother takes a life of her three young children strangles them to death.

It just shocks it. It goes against a natural order. It goes against a mother's maternal instincts or basic instinct to protect her children. I think that's exactly the question. What made this mother go against her maternal instincts? I'm joined now by clinical psychologist Roger McPillan. Thank you for joining me. Del, thanks for having me.

This is a really horrific story. And I think back when I was younger, I used to think, you know, why do we have an insanity defense? Obviously, anybody that kills anybody is insane. But not to get into the legalities of this, but from, I mean, clearly we have a mental health issue. You see these photos. This mom loved these kids at some point in their life,

and then something obviously really goes wrong. There's a lot of mothers out there wearing pink and holding their hearts up, which is a strange thing to see. But I think it's really, I guess what this is doing for women is postpartum depression is really an issue that I guess these mothers feel like isn't getting enough attention. So can we talk about that first before we get into anything else? How common is postpartum depression? Well, first of all, this is an absolute tragedy.

Yeah. But it's also an opportunity because what we see right now is, front and center in American culture is the standard of care in psychiatry, and you see what happens to a mother who is struggling. I'm not so sure that this was a clear mental health issue when it began. And that's why it's important that we stick to the facts in this. And let's talk about the facts, because what happened in mid-September is we see a mother who is getting closer to approaching her return to work. Who was Lindsay Clancy? 32-year-old mother of three, all children under five, 11th,

labor and delivery nurse with no real history of any mental health issues. Right. She struggled with the normal and expected anxiety of life, and she's a medical professional, so what does she do? She has been taught to reach out to a medical professional when you are struggling. So what was happening in mid-September as she was approaching that time to return to work is she was experiencing a lot of guilt, a lot of anxiety, and it was disrupting her sleep. So she searches out through a Google search to find a psychiatrist who has postpartum depression as a specialty.

And I believe what she is attempting to receive is some support and potentially to receive an extended leave from returning to work. I don't have any evidence to suggest that other than my 20 years of working. So this is what happens. She experiences the same thing she's experienced with her previous two children. The doctor does what the doctor does. Offers Zoloft, which is an SSRI. She declines because she is breastfeeding. Now, that's important.

So she has awareness that this is passed through the breast milk to a developing child. And instead, she chooses the safer routes, therapy, meditation. And this is the interesting part. Nobody is mentioning this. all of a sudden, about one month later, she returns and she reports improvement. Natural recovery. This is what is mostly occurring, as you see, these are episodic conditions. If you've never intervened, you've never entered in an interface with the medical system,

these things tend to resolve on their own because we're human beings. Do we know any women who have gone through the postpartum period, and especially who have two other young children who aren't struggling? with sleep to some degree, some guilt, some anxiety. We've medicalized all aspects of the human experience to such a degree that we fearmonger. So she then has a follow-up appointment with the same doctor. It's my belief she was hoping to get an extended leave because what she said, and this is documented in a medical record, was that she did not believe she was ready to return to work

because she was working labor and delivery nurse third shift. So she just reports continued sleep difficulties, absolutely normal during this postpartum period. Yeah. Now here's the problem. The person who would have to sign that there is a medical condition to prevent her from work has to assign some label, some diagnosis to this.

Can you sign off that someone is not ready to return to work, but then that person also deny the treatment? Now, if you're a psychiatrist, what is the treatment? You only prescribe drugs. So now, inexplicably, we see this woman who reports improvement placed on a drug that has no FDA approval for any postpartum depression, clearly, it has a horrible safety profile, it's a black box warning for increased suicide, it has a range of adverse reactions, which we get to talk about. So she takes this drug. Within 48 hours, she's not sleeping. Forty-eight hours without sleep. Now this is a known adverse drug reaction.

It is. It's called activation syndrome. We saw this in the clinical trials, which the pharmaceutical companies manipulated in order to get this drug approved, but it's an activation syndrome that can lead to acetheia, insomnia like we saw, severe suicidal ideations, psychosis, and even in some rare cases, homicidal actions. So she reports this, I haven't slept for 48 hours. Now, Imagine trying to not sleep for 48 hours. Think about the effect. And you've got a brand new baby, and you're stressing, and the other kids need the care.

We know how much pressure her mom's under anyway. It's hard to sleep. So 48 hours she hasn't slept. So what do they do? They abruptly stop that drug, which can be dangerous. And they place her on a few more. Benzodiazepine, a Benadryl to start. Now these are like anziolidic drugs.

drugs, right? So if you're anxious and that's what's influencing the fact that you're having ex-somnia, it can have an effect, right? In emergency medicine, these things are potentially useful. But this starts a cascade effect. You potentially put somebody, we have no idea how she metabolizes these drugs. This is why I say that psychiatry is an illegitimate medical authority. Where's the medical care? You get behind a screen and you just push a drug. You don't even know her profile. Can she actually metabolize this drug? There are what's called slow metabolizers. There's these variants in specific metabolizing genes that are known to induce homicidal thoughts, suicide, acathesia. And it's quick. It's not something that takes, like

other drugs, like to build up toxicity in your system, which is this is the egregious lies that are going on online, saying she didn't have it in her system. No, this can happen immediately, and we've seen it throughout my career. It's what I've been screaming to anyone who will listen. For all the mothers out there who lost teenage daughters or children from being placed on this drug for test anxiety or the parents going through a divorce and then there's a suicide a few days later. And so this is what we see. And again, other rules, if this was a medical specialty that in any way approach these cases scientifically, you don't intervene with multiple variables at one time. She has an adverse drug reaction. How about we try to understand the context? What's going on? Get her safely off the drug, go to

baseline. She was improving before the drug. Right. And this has become corporate medicine. This is what we see on a day-to-day basis. Nobody cares in this medical profession about actually what this woman is going through. They're just trying to push pharmaceutical products as quickly as possible. And this starts what I have seen to be, the standard of care in psychiatry, so dangerous. It's polypharmacy.

She goes on 13 drugs, less than four months. In five months. Inside of four months, she's up to 13 drugs. Yeah. Now we're reasonable people here. When you are starting and stopping different pharmaceuticals, which are chemicals made in a factory, right? These are not medicine.

We should never use that term, right? That's part of the multi-generational sciop is we think that it's correcting something. It's not correcting anything. You're drugging somebody. And the more drugs that you enter into the system, the body, and then you stop them and you start them and you increase doses, you are increasing the likelihood of an adverse event and a tragedy just like this. That's why I cannot state for any certainty, nor can anyone else, that this wasn't drug-induced

homicide, because drug-induced homicides do occur, especially within these psychiatric drugs. When we look, I mean, I just, first of all, are mostly drugs, I mean, they're all psychoactive, they're all affecting your brain, how you are relating things. I mean, I think anyone that's drank too much or done any other, I mean, you know, forms of intoxication, these are highly intoxicating products all stacked on with all different issues. If you're doing that many, how do you figure out which one you're having side effects to? And you just can't imagine if you're that far outside of your natural state of being, what's possible? It doesn't, I mean, I don't know that drugs aren't on trial here.

And they seem to keep avoiding being on trial in the school shootings and things like this. But all of this, to get back to it, if a mother is, let's get back to the postpartum issue. Because you just described a horror show of where someone can go. It reminds me of a story I did recently of a young girl that couldn't sit still in class, ultimately starts with Ritalin. Now you're screaming at your parents at night because you're cracked out. Then they put her on SSRIs and her life just gets destroyed.

And how difficult? I mean, again, how does she get off of all these drugs? Right? I mean, that's a whole other issue. But for a mom right now, I don't want to run around the fact that there are women that really do get chemical, is it chemical imbalance?

What is post-part? No, that's a complete lie. Okay. Yeah, that has been part of the propaganda. It was pushed on the American public, starting in the 1990s, in order to try to push these drugs by saying that we've identified some underlying mechanism, a biological mechanism, and we can treat this like insulin for diabetes. So they pushed the chemical imbalance myth on the entire population.

Do you remember the Zoloft commercials, the blobs and all this thing, they've had a drug that didn't create dependence, and it just corrects an imbalance and it lifts our mood? All lies, absolute lies. This has nothing to do with that chemical, that neurochemical. And this reminds me of Hardin's first law of human ecology. You are never intervening with just one thing. All of nature is so complex, as is the human body. When they experiment, which they have, on human body as if we're, I don't know, a machine in some regards,

that you can try to interfere with one aspect and not affect the entire system. It's been one long experiment that has created indelible harm because we know that these drugs have since we've started prescribing these drugs, we've seen an intake and increase in all identifiable statistics around worsening mental health, right? Increase suicide, homicide related events on these drugs, worsening depression, more people identifying with a mental illness diagnosis. Now, that does not discount the fact that people struggle and human beings struggle, but we don't normalize what is expected anymore. We've medicalized it, and this is to increase the sale of that product. So what is normal? Well, women are going through a very challenging time, postpartum. Their body is changing, and there are potential real medical issues that have to be addressed.

Hormonal shifts, changes, sleep deprivation, nutritional deficiencies. And that's without even talking about all the psychosocial stuff. We know nothing about the environment in which they're raising those children. We don't know what's going internally, their marriage, their support system. All of these things are major factors. But because of this psychological operation

that we've been pushed on mothers, here's the first thing that they say, and I hear it over and over again when they're struggling. There must be something wrong with me. When there's nothing wrong with you. You're a mother who cares about your kids, you're struggling to meet the needs of all three of them.

You may not have the support because even fathers right now have to provide. We know what's going on economically. How much time do women really have at home dedicated to their children? And this is what we see in Lindsay Clancy case, a push and a pressure to return to work. So what we've done is we've lost a sense of what is normal, and we've put women in battle with their own minds, and there's fear and there's guilt,

guilt and there's insecurity and then they interface with a medical system, a corporate medical system, Rockefeller medicine, that sees these of symptoms of some underlying medical condition. One, there's no objective test for. They put them through some pharma-developed checklist, and then they offer a drug that has horrible efficacy and horrible safety profile. I want to get deeper into all this. It sounds like maybe psychiatry is not the way to go. I want to know, I mean, there's so many places I see this interfering. We see it with the kids, the psych drugs, the Ritalin. We're also seeing gender, you know, gender blocking or, you know, all these issues

where it just seems like psychiatry has gone the exact wrong direction. But let's do a deep dive on off the record and get into all of that. If you're watching right now, obviously, Roger has some serious opinions about the work that he's done over the decades dealing with this approach to the medicalization of our population. Last week, we opened up High Wire Plus so that we could try running a deeper dive on off the record on Friday evening. It was a huge success. It was the biggest hit we've seen ever on a Friday.

So many of you opened up to it. We want to see if that's an anomaly. We actually want to try it again. We're testing a few things to see how you want to see it. A lot of you reported you like that long form that didn't have all the news around it. So I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to do a deep dive with Roger on off the record. By the way, before we leave here, how do we follow all the work that you're doing?

Well, radically genuine.com. I'm starting a new show with Tracy Thurman. It's releasing October 1st. You can also follow me on X at Dr. McPhillin. You can follow me on Instagram at Radically Genuine and on Substack at Dr. McPhillan. So right now I'm a bestseller on health politics. So writing a lot about these issues because it is around informed consent. Because if you do not have the information, you are vulnerable to get right back into the system.

And these unfortunate cases that we're seeing like Lindsay Clancy are a wake-up call for all of us. Well, thank you for joining me today, Roger. Really appreciate it. Look, we're going to open it up. If you want to watch the deep dive, I'm about to do, we're going to put it out tomorrow night on what is going on with psychiatry in America. The medicalization of America is going to be off the record. Watch this.

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being on a live stage. I'm going to be in Orlando. I'm flying out there tomorrow and then Saturday I'm delivering from 9 a.m. to 12 there on Orlando. This is the QR code. You can join us. I'm going to be talking about what I've learned traveling the world on all of these issues. And really, what is this medicalization that's taking place? How much, you know, is a part of this agenda? We see the agenda. I talk about it all the time, but I'm really looking forward of being Orlando with Ben Rawl out there. Really excited to see you, Ben. I want to just, one of the things when I'm talking live,

I don't do a lot on the show, but is really talking about where is this sort of religion meeting science and they seem to be clashing or are they? I find it fascinating when, you know, we got Dr. Newt coming up right now. All right, I'm jumping ahead. I told you this is a packed show, I almost missed one of our biggest announcements yet NIH is just brought in a MAPS doctor.

Pediatrician neurologist Dr. John Gaytannis to lead NIH's Eunice Kennedy-Sriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development. I have the head of MAPS coming in to talk about John, great guy. This is a huge advancement. And anyone wants to say, you know, Robert Kennedy Jr. is not doing anything. This is going to be big. Dr. James Neuenschrander joins me now. All right. Yes, Del.

First of all, for people watching, what is a MAPS doctor? What does this mean? Well, it's the Medical Academy of Pediatrics and Special Needs. And basically, we're the only organization that's dedicated to children with special needs. And we're taking the approach of root cause medicine. So, you know, that previous segment that you just showed with that poor woman with her children and mental health, you know, that's a really good example of how medical. it's gone wrong. Where psychiatrists don't even try to figure out what's causing the problem,

they're just going to medicate. You know, you have a symptoms, here's a, here's a pharmaceutical, that's what the models become. So at MAPs, we're trying to teach, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, you've got a kid with ADHD, you have a kid with depression, you have a kid with asthma, you have a kid with diabetes or obese, whatever the case might be. There usually is an underlying root cause causing that issue, and your job as a physician is to figure out what that cause is and then treat at that level. And when you have somebody like John who, you know, this is guys, I mean, he's a superstar, you know, he's a head of pediatric neurology at Tufts and then he was at Brown. And now he's going to head up a department that is dedicated to pediatric health and development.

And this is not a small department. I mean, this is $1.7 billion budget over 1,100 employees. it's a big deal. But when you look at, you know, I mean, I have a big issue with, and I know Secretary Kennedy's dealing with this, you know, when you look at autism and the research at NIH, you know, where have they put their money? You know, the money is where your mouth is. Where did they put their money on research? Almost all of it's gone to genetics, right?

So over 85 percent in the last 10 years, that's almost $3 billion that they've spent on autism research. And 85% of that went to looking at genetics, you know, for an epidemic. I mean, when was the last time we had a genetic epidemic? And to their credit, some of that was the interplay between the environment and the genes. But even that was only about 11%. Most of the rest of it was just pure genetics. You know, in the same time period, they spent maybe 1.5%, 2% on like epigenetics and maybe 5% on environmental.

causes. I mean, it's just ridiculous. And if anybody thinks, oh, that's because we were trying to figure out autism, no, just look at 2025's number. It's the same thing. John understands that the answers to things like autism are not in the realm of genetics. They're in the realm of biochemistry, of environmental impact on the health of our children. And he's the guy that is now the head of that organization and has his fingers on the purse strings of that $1.7 billion. So we're all very, very excited to see him take that job, to see him take that helm, because this could truly alter the course of pediatrics. I mean, we've discussed this before. We have completely failed our children, right? I mean, our children are sicker and all that than ever before. We failed them, you know,

and he's the person that can put that train back on the tracks and get it heading in the right direction. So we are very, very excited about him being there. That's fantastic. You know, when you describe it, Dr. New, It sounds like you're describing what medicine used to be. I talk to every doctor over the age of, you know, usually about 60, they say, you know, used to be an investigation. We were trained. Your patient knows more than you do.

Listen to them. Really get deep into their background. What did they started seeing their issues? Where did it come from? All that's been erased by the pharmaceutical trained doctors now. There's just a drug, another drug, as we just heard. Every answer, every problem is a drug. It's like that joke, you know, for every hammering.

or every, was it every hammer, the problem's a nail? Every nail, every nail, problems a hammer. I don't know, whatever that is. When your only tool, when your only tool is a hammer, then the entire world is a nail. That's the problem. Right, right. So how not, you know, there are times when medications are appropriate,

but, you know, obviously many times that they're not. Well, I mean, in this measles thing. I mean, I'm terrified that doctors, now if I go to, that they don't know how to treat measles. I mean, you know, if you don't have silver hair, I don't think I want you near my kids if we have the measles. You know, I just want you to know, this used to not be deadly. We should be dying here today, right? Well, and that's, you know, again, that's also part of what Maps is about is teaching that.

You know, how do you teach, you know, how do you treat these illnesses that we've forgotten how to treat because they've been vaccinating for them, right? And so, you know, if you choose not to vaccinate, and that should be your choice, but if you choose not to vaccinate, is there a practitioner you can go to should your child get the measles or mumps or chicken box or whatever the case might be? You know, you want to have somebody that has that knowledge. Absolutely. Well, look, if there's doctors out there, more and more of them are waking up. COVID was a big wake up moment. I know Maps is starting boom, but you have a conference coming up. And one of the things you do is train doctors that want to, you know, move out of drug-based, you know, medicine and in to actually learn to investigate again. So tell me about your conference coming up. Yeah, so we have a conference coming up in Philadelphia at September 10th through the 12th for doctors. And then, And we also have, starting with our last conference, we have a, on Sunday, which would be the 13th, we have a conference for parents as well. So the really important thing is that, you know, the title of our conference is, you know, originally we wanted to put redefining autism. We just got rid of the RE because I don't think anybody's defined autism in the first

place. So a big part, right? I mean, it's based on symptoms. It's the same thing that you were talking about with a psychologist, you know, if all you're doing is describing symptoms, then pneumonia, you know, root B streptococytocin, pneumonia is not that, it's chest pain, you know, fever and cough syndrome. That's a psychiatric diagnosis, right? So we're trying to say, okay, you have a kid with autism, we know that that's not one thing.

We know there's multiple subtypes of autism. What are they? What causes autism? What are these syndromes? What's the metabolism behind it? So that's what it's all about. And it's really important for parents to understand. saying that. When you start getting into this realm of, you know, on this end of the spectrum,

you've got the kid who's nonverbal, you know, banging his head against the wall, smearing his poop on the wall, and we call that autism. And on the other end, you have some guy who woke up at age 34 and said he's had a lot of problems with relationships and doesn't get along with people, and he's diagnosed with autism. And they have the same diagnosis. You know, I don't think they're the same thing. So we're trying to present this the way you would present anything in medicine as These are biochemical problems that these children have. It's a neurologic disorder, not a psychiatric disorder. And if that's the case, then it should be treatable at that level.

Again, not with drugs, but what's causing that autism? And that's really what this is all about. So we're really excited. We've been having great success with these conferences. The idea is, can we bring practitioners up to speed with what we're doing and get them trained in a way that they start thinking this way, right? You know, it should never be, here's a symptom, here's the pharmaceutical go along with it. You know, here's a symptom.

Okay, how is it connected to all these other symptoms this child has? Right. And then what is the underlying cause that's driving it? That's what we're trying to look at. And with parents, too, because I always say, you know, you want to get to the doctors, get to the parents, right? The parents are going to start asking the doctor's questions. And then it's like, well, where did you get that information? Oh, I went to a maps conference.

All right? So, you know, it really should become the standard of pediatrics in the country. And even doctors that say, well, I don't see kids in my practice. You know what? You're going to learn a lot of the MAPS conference because it's not just kids that this stuff applies to. You know, if you're just throwing drugs at your patients and you know that patient's going to come back with the same symptom because a drug doesn't fix anything. It just suppresses the symptom.

That's what drugs do for the most part. You know, then if you want to find out a way to actually care for your patients, that's also what MAPS is. about. Well, I love that you're out there, James. It's such an important work. I love that we now have a MAPS doctor in a really powerful position. Good on Robert Kennedy Jr. and President Trump for making this happen. We really are starting to evolve. This is where medicine needs to go. Do you have a nonprofit? Is there, like, I know a lot of the work that you do takes donations, right? Where does someone go if they want to donate to the cause? Oh, here we go. Again, yeah, we do have a funding source for MAPS.

It's the give butter.com medmaps. You know, and our website is Medmaps. Is it give better or give butter? Did we write that wrong? Just want to make sure we have this. No, it's give butter. It's give butter.com. Okay.

All right. And if you're going to send me butter, it better be grass-fed organic. Okay. But no, it's the name of it. You know, we're trying to avoid some of the companies that were a little shady with funding during COVID. So this is one that's been legitimate for us. So, and then if people want to, again, we do have Sunday open to non-practitioners, you know, the Thursday through Saturday conferences for practitioners.

But, and the code there, it's a 20% off. If you scan that code to register. And the beautiful thing about the conference is, you know, it's a family. I mean, we really, I always say I learn more in the hallways and the bar than I do in the conference room. Because we're available. We have all our speakers there. whole time so that you know attendees can interact get their questions answered you know questions they may have been too afraid to ask on the you know in the main conference room they

can ask in the hall so we we love that family feel for the conference and I look forward to having people there awesome dr. new we'll see you there if you want to check it out this is a little taste of what it's all about how's everybody doing the maps conference is a three-day CME training course for practitioners, anyone that's working with kids and young adults. MAPS is the future of pediatrics with the goal of educating all practitioners across the country on how to properly treat kids with complex medical issues and special needs. We are here to help every child with special needs reach their full potential. We're trying to create this coalition of physicians who understand the needs of our patients

in a more integrative way. When inflammation occurs in the brain, brain development stops. We have one in five children in our country with neurodevelopmental disorders. We have one in 36 children with autism. And so we're seeing a massive increase in children with chronic illness. There's a tremendous amount of science that we were never taught in medical school or science that we were taught in medical school that's been overridden by pharmacists. The aluminum nanoparticles are bound to bacterial and viral antigens, which means that not only

are nanoparticles getting across the blood-brain barrier, but so are microorganisms. The bottom line is the traditional way of approaching things, they've failed our kids in terms of our healthcare, so we need to be looking at what do we do, how do we take care of these kids. That's why we need maps because that's what we teach. Get to the foundation, get to the root. The idea is to expand your box of tools so that these should be able to be able to be able to children don't stay chronically ill and we can actually bring them to a more optimal form of health. This year we are hoping to shift the paradigm out there that non-speaking equals non-thinking.

If they have difficulty with speech, they're generally all lumped into the same category as intellectually disabled. Once you give a reliable form of communication to a non-speaker, turns out they're really pretty smart and they're very much able to make decisions about their own health care and their own futures. My life has been saved by doctors like you, and I am grateful for all the extra effort you put into helping solve such a complex disorder. The Speller's Method, it's probably the biggest shift in the autism community to ever happen. This is something that I believe every practitioner needs to know about. Please take it for me. I am someone who had their life saved by the principles of functional and biomedical interventions.

Before I got to MAPS, I didn't even know that non-speakers could speak. But that's what MAPS is about, and that's what Sperlors is about, is in empowering these amazing human beings to share their light on the world so that we can all together make this a much greater place to live. What the families of special needs children really need are doctors on every corner. We just need every doctor that really cares about our children to come to a MAPS conference. It's really important work that MAPS is doing. We need to get back to, get forward to a future. future that really looks back at what we had right in medicine. Every answer is not a drug. We are not drug deficient when we're born. There's a mindset that has to shift. And we see, you see the assault everywhere. You see it, whether it's pushing measles vaccines and vaccines,

vaccines, vaccines, God forbid we reduce the vaccines to what seems to be working in other countries or give you the right to choose while we call that freedom when we take it away. We're on the front lines here, folks. This is not just some pet issue around, you know, the medicalization of our world. We are, this is it. This is the takeover is on us. We saw it during the pandemic. I've said it before. It's coming again. But what I wanted to say is that there is an impact between, you know, religion or spirituality. And when we hear the dark and the light, I always find it fascinating how these two things impact. And because we've been talking about the MMR vaccine and this measles thing.

We did an interview years ago with Dr. Teresa Deischer, who's an expert on stem cells and all sorts of work. She's one of the top in the world who looked at the DNA, these aborted fetal DNA fragments in vaccines and came to a very interesting discovery. We hear that the MMR doesn't have aluminum. It doesn't have mercury. It doesn't have an adjuvant.

What if that foreign DNA, which, I mean, if you want to think of it, Like if there's one thing that goes against, it should be any religion that has God in it, where do we chop up little babies and inject them into our own children? What could possibly go wrong? Well, Teresa discovered exactly what is going wrong. Take a look at this. What is it about giving birth and labor that you think sets a discussion about what's happening with an MMR vaccine?

or I guess chickenpox vaccine or any of the vaccines that were growing on aborted cell lines. So there are people who've been saying for many years that the level of DNA in these vaccines is innocuous. But science has well established. When we manufacture a vaccine using a cell, the final product is contaminated with fragments of DNA from the cell. If the DNA is from a human, it can insert into stem cells and cause mutations, and it can also activate an immune receptor called Toll-like receptor 9.

But everyone says, oh, the levels are too low. So I've been looking really since 2009 for exactly what levels of fetal DNA would activate the toll-like receptor. receptor 9 and the field of cancer is trying to activate toll-like receptor 9 to get a cancer-killing immune response. And they referenced these papers on pregnancy and how labor is actually triggered or induced. And what happens is as the baby matures and it's going to come to term, the placenta breaks down, right, because it's been used up. And fetal DNA fragments from the baby can then cross into the mother's bloodstream.

And when they reach levels that are, it's an amount, 0.22 nanograms per mill and above, they activate tolyc receptor 9. And they activate dendritic cells and T cells that release all of these cytokines that could cause a cytokine storm, and they activate B lymphocytes and antibodies are made to the fetal DNA. And then what happens is those antibodies circulate through the mom, and when they see the baby, they recognize it as, and have an autoimmune attack against it,

because they've made antibodies to the fetal DNA. And that's what triggers labor. this massive immune rejection of the baby. So chickenpox, we know from Merck, it's in their summary statement for approval, is contaminated with two micrograms of fetal DNA. All right? That is well beyond 0.22 nanograms per mill.

So two micrograms is injected in the child. that's 2,000 nanograms. It's an awful lot. Think about that. 0.22 nanograms. 0.22 induces labor. We're giving 2,000 times. That I think is the math that it's just way over the top. And who knew, right? And maybe the manufacturers didn't even know when they made this vaccine. Maybe they would have discovered it had they done an actual safety trial that they're afraid of having to do now.

But all I can say is, yeah, I opt out. out. We're opting out. This family, I'm opting out. I should have the right to opt out. And look, we do get in the weeds. I realize that's in the weeds. We're talking about toll-like receptors and nines and numbers and nanograms and micrograms. So let me, Jeddis put it this way. This is probably the commandment that was left out of the ten commandments. And God said, thou shalt not tear an infant out of its womb, chop it into little pieces, and then inject it into your own children. I don't know. Just something that simple might have been very helpful, but that is what is going on here. And to think that there are governors like Shapiro that want

to make sure that I do not have the right to opt out of that process. And as it turns out, can you imagine if it induces labor, creates that level of a cytokine storm to force, a baby out, what is it doing to your infant? What happens? Is it that shocking to think that maybe their brain swells during that moment, an inflammatory event that their bodies are not designed to handle? It's way outside of anything that happens in nature. You could not be less natural. And a lot of times I equate nature with God. And when we mess with God, what happens? These things are all impacting. This is the way. that we live in. And I get these are uncomfortable conversations. We have to talk about terrible

stories in the news and children that may or may not have died from disease or died from vaccines. But this is defining our future. Are we going to have the opportunity with a MAPS doctrine place now inside of our government to define what autism really is, to define ways to actually heal those children when the pharmaceutical industry wants you to believe that is impossible, it's genetic, even though none of us really knew someone with autism back when we were kids or certainly when I was a kid, and now it's becoming the norm. Insanity should not be normalized. It's something I'm going to talk a lot about with Roger McFillan. You can check that out tomorrow on off the record. We're not going to shy away from these conversations. This is the biggest

conversation of our lifetime because it's about life. We can do more of it and I'll see you next week on the high wire.