The Highwire with Del Bigtree - GAYS AGAINST GROOMERS FOUNDER SOUNDS OFF ON THE TARGETING OF MINORS

Episode Date: February 4, 2024

Jaimee Michell, founder & CEO of Gays Against Groomers, joins Del to discuss the organization which came together as a unified voice from inside the gay and trans community to stand firmly against apparent child grooming from the greater medical community, trans and gender diverse community, and the media. Hear why they condemn this onslaught, from exposing children to inappropriate sexual literature in schools, to life-threatening puberty blockers casually prescribed by healthcare professionals, and how the Gay community is being used to implement this dangerous potentially harmful agenda.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

Many of the parents that stood up at school board meetings pushing back against some of these curriculums were, you know, listed as domestic terrorists, or the thought was maybe Homeland Security should investigate these parents as domestic terrorists. That's how polarized this conversation is. And it's amazing to me that the suggesting a teacher should be allowed to have some of these conversations with your child, but God forbid you have a conversation as an adult with those teachers on whether this is appropriate or not. That's not allowed, but the other thing is. Now, this conversation can be very one-sided.

I mean, they can say, well, Del, you're a married man. You're obviously, you know, heterosexual. What place do you have in this conversation? And I will admit, I think that we need to have a well-rounded perspective. And one of the questions I have is when we look at, you know, this entire, you know, beautiful blanket of the differentiations of humanity. in America and all the approaches to gender that are out there, whether you're gay or by or straight or lesbian or plus, whatever the other letters, I'm probably not getting

this right. It's not a direct focus of mind. The question is, are the people that are in those communities agreeing with this education of our children? At what age should that start? Well, I was a bit surprised to find out that there's actually a group that is speaking out about exactly that. It's called Gaze Against Groom.

and the founder, Jamie Michelle, well, you may be seen her in news. Take a look at this. The controversial gaze against groomers. The group Gays Against Groomers. Gays Against Groomers. I love what they're doing. They're called Gaze Against Groomers. Says it all, doesn't it?

These are gay people who do not like the trans agenda that seems to be taking over our culture. Jamie Mitchell is the founder of Gays Against Groomers. We are a group comprised solely of gay people. We are part of the ELMETTHA MINOWS. LGBT community. Our mission is twofold. It's to protect the children, obviously, first and foremost,

but also to reclaim our name. There's many more of us that are not on board with what's being done than those that are, but they are just the loudest because they're backed by every powerful institution in the country. We see ourselves in these kids. Stop trans and gay youth. Stop gay eraser.

Save the tomboyes. Stop the sexism. Stop using the LGBT community as a scapegoat for hurting children protect our kids. One thing that I love about it is we've got people from all walks of life, all sorts of different professions. We've got former military members and things like that who are chapter leaders. And so we're definitely a very varied group.

I want to be very clear that being anti-groomer and anti-child sexualization and mutilation is not anti-gay. It's not anti-LGB. What is anti-LGB? ATQ though. Right. I mean, it shouldn't have to be set. We're trying to bring things back to just a place of sanity. And, you know, the red line has always been just leave kids alone. Whatever adults want to do fine. But, you know, their children, they're innocent for such a short amount of time. And it's just devastating to see. And it's awful to see it happening in our name. It's my honor and pleasure to be joined now by the founder of Gays Against Groomers, Jamie Michelle.

Jamie, thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me. It's good to have you. So you founded Gays Against Groomers Why? What is it? So I founded the organization back in June of 2022 to fight back against what's being done in our name to children. You know, like this has kind of just become the overarching narrative that people assume all gays and lesbians and even trans people are on board with.

And I had to, you know, I had many friends that felt the same. Every single gay person and trans people that I knew in my life, like in my personal life, we were all very much against this, but there was no unified cohesive message being put out from us. So I saw the need for that. And I felt like our voices from inside the community could have a very significant effect on the discourse and the direction that things are heading in. because, you know, God bless all of you for speaking out against it, but straight people are instantly written off as hateful bigots, you know, transphobes, homophobes, all the fobs, when they try and speak out against this. And obviously that's not true, but they have a harder time doing that to us,

even though they do try. You know, you go to our Wikipedia page and it says we're in an anti-LGB organization, even though everybody in the organization is LGBT or T themselves. So I don't think those attacks stick quite as well as they do with you guys, even though I think the majority of people do see that that's just a lie to try and silence people who are against what's being done to children, which it's shocking to me that I even had to create this organization. If you would have told me that this is where we'd be 10 years, less than 10 years after we got the right to marry, I would have thought you were absolutely insane. You know, we never intended for this to happen. we couldn't foresee it coming.

And maybe that's naivity on our part. But yeah, we're in the arena now fighting back against it, and they don't like it too much, they being the people pushing this on kids. I mean, and those are, you know, people that I'm sure, you know, are you standing with that maybe you've been in marches with or, you know, that so when you knew you were probably going to get pushed back for speaking out, there must have been a defining moment for you that sort of catalyzed,

I need to do this because it's a pretty bold step. What was it that really sort of, you know, pushed you over the edge into making this decision to start this group? Yeah, well, you know, myself like everyone else that uses social media, I was seeing the onslaught of videos and images just coming out of schools and the all-age drag shows and seeing children being transitioned. But I remember specifically the one turning point moment for me, which was like a day or two before I officially launched the social

media accounts for Gays Against Groomers was there was a drag show in Texas. I want to say Dallas, I could be wrong, where there was there were these young children like they couldn't have been more than five, six years old sitting in these chairs at a show at a drag show with a bright neon sign behind them that said it's not going to lick itself. And you know, they were the drag queen there was having these kids strut up and down the little runway they had the little catwalk whatever you want to call it um and i saw that and my blood just started boiling i'm being told we have the video so let's take a look and see if it boils anyone else's bloods here we go if you can do it like we do it i want you to come up here real quick if you think you can do it

if you can walk the runway with the girl who wants to be a diva for the way one Yeah. That sign is quite, if it wasn't over the top, it's not going to lick itself on the wall. It's hard to imagine a parent being there in that situation and not asking themselves, is this actually appropriate? And I think that that's part of the controversy here, is that there appears to be parents that are going along with this. and psychologists that are going along with this and thinking that this is a conversation that needs to be happening with all children. What are your thoughts on that?

Oh, yeah, it's incredibly disturbing that any parent would think that this is okay. Not just this, but, you know, the pornographic material in schools. And worst of all, in my opinion, the permanent sterilization and mutilation of their children's developing bodies. I cannot understand it. I think that, you know, I really think that these woke progressive moms think that this is how they're being inclusive and accepting of like our community. But it's really not. It's really, really not. And I want them to hear that from us, from gay people and trans people as well that we have in gays against groomers. Like, we're good. We have all the rights we ever wanted. You know, there is this radical sect within our

community that wants supremacy over equality and wants to dominate and just destroy every aspect of society as we've known it forever. But the majority of us really are not okay with what's happening and we don't want to be represented this way. We don't want this, this isn't the way to show that you're accepting of LGBT people. It's really not. We believe that it's child abuse, putting children in these situations and doing these things to their bodies. And, you know, child abuse, is already illegal in the country. And I really think it's time that what's being done to kids in the name of this LGBTIQIA plus agenda needs to be viewed in the same regard. There's, I want to play a video for

you. This is a very famous one. I think one of the youngest publicly transitioned children jazz in a reality show that was going on. Take a look at this. This needs to advance more. This needs to come down here. I mean, this is off center. See, this is tilted. So that in order to get this midline, we need to bring that down more and that will centralize this. I think we're saying the same thing. I'm happy. I have a good sense of what we need to do. Let me just take a picture too. Poor thing. You could be a porn star for all the photos are taken. I'm so sorry. I did not say that. I mean, there's so much that's disturbing about that. First of all, This is a child who's having their penis removed and working towards getting a working or functioning vagina.

And you have the doctor there joking about we're taking so many pictures of your privates. That's Marcy Bowers that, you know, you could be a porn star. She's trans herself, Marcy Bowers. And I just, you know, first of all, to be joking like that. And to me, the question is, you know, I can. guess is this sexuality, what is the difference between sex and gender? Could you help me with that because I'm confused about this in these situations? Do you have thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean, first, I just want to say Dr. Marcy Bowers belongs in prison for the rest of his life, for what he has

done to countless, countless youth. But yeah, the difference between sex and gender in reality is there is not a difference. The gender cult likes to say that sexuality is your sex. I mean, sex is, sex is like your basic chromosomes, right? Like X, Y, or X, X, X, X. And gender is somewhere in your head and your heart and completely not related. Reality is that they are the same thing. And you can't, you can't change your sex. You can't change your gender. you know, adults that want to go through with the transition process. That's totally, we have no problem with what adults do as long as it's, you know, consensual and consenting and, you know, whatever.

They don't push anything on anyone else. But the reality is that they can never become, like a man can never become a woman and vice versa. It's just, you know, medically and scientifically impossible. And gender ideology loves to play make believe and force, society to play along with it that somehow you can change your sex. And you can't. So it's, you know, the whole basis of gender ideology is rooted in delusion and fantasy. And I think it's really scary and dangerous that they are implanting these ideas, which are not based in reality into young children's minds as early as, you know, two years old, some of these books now are

targeted towards literal babies. So yeah, it's just, it's scary stuff what's happening out there. I want to sort of just delve into what's even more sensitive space to get into, which is this, you know, if we're educating children, the argument is obviously, and we have to admit there's been abuse of people that are not like us, that we don't understand, that are maybe gay or by, you know, throughout life. And, you know, we all want everyone to feel safe living in this country. We also recognize that their children, they're going through, you know, really asking questions. To me, a lot of this goes to this conversation, which is that, you know, they were born this way. And so that there's no, like, no matter what we teach your children, it's not going to change who they are or how they see it. If you're gay, then you know that as a child. If you're trans, you know it as a child.

But the question ends up being when you look at these stats like California, where we start introducing conversations of trans, And then we see this rise in transgender. It seems that there seems to be some idea that there's a social socialization that can happen at least around this gender conversation. I think it's safer for you to help me understand where is that line drawn. Does is there any socialization that can affect how a child you know, sees themselves either sexually or in their gender orientation? I think it's completely disingenuous to try and pretend like there isn't some sort of social contagion going on with the massive uprise in numbers of trans and non-binary and just gay identifying youth, the whole thing. Right now, Gen Z, I believe the number is somewhere around 28% of Gen Z identifies as somewhere

within the rainbow. And that's completely unheard of. If it weren't a social contagion, you would see this rising across all age demographics. But really it's, you know, it's really only the younger generation and gen alpha. I guess that's the one that comes after Gen Z, the younger kids. You know, it's really targeting or being, they're being most affected in these results. And so, yeah, I think definitely it's a social contagion and anyone saying that is not a thing is lying to themselves and everybody else. You know, you talked about the fact that giving gender blockers, which is a really, I think, is the heart of this is a couple of things.

Introducing drugs that keep you go for, I mean, puberty blockers that keep you going through puberty, and then also the idea of allowing sex change operations in children. I mean, essentially, you know, the part of it that I question is, no matter what your gender or sexuality ends up being, you know, do you want to remove your ability to be stimulated or have, you know, sexual experience because you were really getting in the way of that, potentially castrating these children. You described it as, you know, child abuse.

In your thoughts, you know, is this something that government should get involved in? I mean, because here we are, the question is we should all be free. And the work that I do discusses medical freedoms, a huge part of the work that I do, which is I think you should be allowed to decide whether you get injected with a vaccine or not. I'm not going to tell you what to do, but it should be your choice. In this, you know, idea, how is it that we say to parents, well, we want you to be free enough to make medical decisions for your child? Does the government come in here you think and say, no, we're not going to allow you to give

these puberty blockers? Do you think that would be going too far for the government or not? I'm a small government person. You know, I believe in the government should have as little to do in people's lives as possible. We're aligned there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, as I referenced earlier, child abuse, you know, there are laws against child abuse for a reason.

I mean, these children cannot take care of or look out for themselves. And so I don't think it's out of blind to restrict or ban these children. procedures and drugs from being given to children because they are, I mean, it is child abuse. I truly believe it's child abuse. It's like the most egregious form of it, chemically castrating somebody, a child or amputating healthy body parts. I think it's one thing if it's like a life saving procedure, like a medical issue, you know, obviously the government, you know, the parents should be able to provide that to their children and not have the government involved but when it's something elective like this that you know a child's life is not depending on

i think that that you know states do need to step up and and we would like to see federally like federally ban these puberty blockers which is a really nice way of saying um chemical sterilization drugs um by the way lupron is like the most popular puberty blocker and it's been commonly given to pedophiles adult pedophiles obviously to chemically castrate them. And, you know, the ACLU even came out and said that it was a barbaric practice to give pedophiles Lupron because of the effects, the effects that it has on them. And these are being given to children, pre-teens.

I mean, this is to block puberty, which is also not a thing. I mean, you can't just, it's not a pause button, really. Like, it doesn't work like that. There are lifelong medical side effects that come along with that. and one of them is chemical castration. So no, I mean, gays against groomers, we have had a hand in getting 20 states to outlaw this gender affirming care. I use a lot of quotations because this is how they say it.

I don't like using their language because it's not rooted in reality. I say child sterilization and mutilation. That's what we do at gays against groomers. We use that language. But we've had a hand in getting 20 states to outlaw it. So there's, I think, 22 now that have placed, that have either been. banned it or placed restrictions on it. We have had a hand in all of them.

But yeah, 20 with Ohio being most recent just yesterday, officially, that have banned it. So I think that's what needs to happen 100%. I know I really appreciate your time. And I know that we've got you, you know, needing to run out. I want to play one more video for you about bathrooms. This idea of bathrooms having, you know, was discussed earlier, the WHA, one of the problems is there's no safe space for women. Are we not going to protect it any longer? This is an altercation that happens over that issue. Take a look at this.

My daughter goes into those bathroom and no man needs to be in there. You understand me? You are a man. You are a man. You are a man. You are a man. Start acting like a man. Act like a man. You're a man. You're a man. You're a man. You're a man. What happened? Why? Why are you acting this way? I'm a man. So are you. No, I'm not. Then what are you? I was born intracuse.

Dude, you don't know what that is. I was born with both. Sir, you're going to have a problem if you keep going into women's bathroom. Somebody's going to do something to you. I'm just telling you the truth. I mean this for years. You won't do something. What got to say?

This is an ongoing conversation. More and more restaurants and places that I go have these sort of gender neutral bathrooms. There's all sorts of things going on. I'll just say for me, you know, I have a young daughter. When you think just sending your child off to a bathroom, there used to be some sense that it would be safe. Is it safe? Do you feel like it's safe to have these bathrooms where, you know, all you have to do is say you're a woman and you get to go in there and be with everybody else? Do you have a thought on that? No, of course. No, I think it's a huge problem and I think it's very dangerous, especially when it comes to locker rooms, you know, in gyms, men, full-grown men that can just say,

oh, I'm a woman, you know, they can look completely like a man, they can just say they're a woman and get right in. No, that's incredibly dangerous. And I don't understand why society is placing the feelings of men over the well-being of women and children when it comes to this. You know, I think there are a lot of trans people that have no intention of harming anybody that just have to go to the bathroom. And I think in that scenario, you know, if there is a gender neutral space, that is what should, that is where they should go. But yeah, I think it's very dangerous and very wrong for men to just use the women's room. I don't, I don't understand why people think it's okay and I certainly don't. Let me ask you one more question because obviously, you know, you grow up, you went through school.

At what, is there an age at which, you know, if we're going to, you know, you want everyone to feel okay about who they are. You don't want depression. I get where this confusion comes. And I get that the desire is to make sure that people feel accepted, even if their feelings and ideas may be different than someone else. Does your group or do you think about at what point is it in junior high or high school Should a child be allowed to express themselves or have somewhere to go or have an understanding So that they can feel like they have a place In in society when they start realizing I'm not like everyone else around me

I mean how do we as a society protect and take care of that journey for those individuals No, I really appreciate that question. You know, I think there's a big difference between making, you know, teaching children that you respect everybody the same, no matter what they, who they are, what they like, what their family looks like. I think the extent of that kind of teaching should be that. You know, and yeah, I mean, when when kids start getting to the age where they have boyfriends and girlfriends and, you know, and, you know, and yeah, I mean, when, when kids start getting to the age where they have boyfriends and girlfriends, are growing up and developing, I think that, yeah, it's, I think that it's important for kids to feel welcome and have a space. I just don't think that what we're seeing now in our education system resembles anything remotely appropriate. You know, right now in schools all across America and in libraries in schools all across America, there is straight up porn being given to these kids, and they're doing so. These books, you know, they say that they say that they're that they're LGBTQ plus books when you know we have we take great offense to that we don't want to be

represented in this way I've always said that they're using our community as and as one of our members said in that testimony that we are being used as scapegoats to push this agenda onto kids so you know I think we need to focus on getting that problem out of schools and getting things back to an appropriate age appropriate level but no I I don't think this solution is to shun or make any child feel uncomfortable. It's just a matter of age appropriateness and not pushing any ideas onto them that they're not ready for. Well, and what you're talking about, a child predator can be straight, they can be gay, they can be anything, that prays on children. Do you feel like, as you said, this scapegoat or this, that it's really giving cover to

dangerous people for children being allowed to get into teachers of teaching and being close to children used to be, I mean, there's websites to tell you if there's a child predator in your neighborhood or whatever, but if someone has that instinct, it seems to me it'd be a lot of easier to now to get yourself close to children in this world because nobody's allowed to ask the right questions. Do you have a similar concern about that? Oh, a thousand percent. That is like our biggest concern. You know, it's these people, these disgusting people have opened the door wide open for actual pedophiles and child predators to walk right through. There's no safeguarding anymore. the most innocent and vulnerable people in society. It's terrifying. And yeah, that's a huge

concern that we've, that I've had since day one. You know, it really is opening the door for them and they must be incredibly happy right now to see what's happening. And, you know, that anybody that is against that and wants to protect children are being written off as the bad guys and being labeled terrorists and whatnot, which we have had our friends. share of as well. I want to, I just want to give you an opportunity. I'm sure there's people watching now that would like to be involved to see the work that you're doing that would like to get involved.

Do you have a resources page? How do we follow the work that you're doing? You're involved in these important cases across the country. So just tell me a little bit about your resources and how we can track that. I really appreciate that. Well, if you would like to help our mission, we are completely independent. like we have zero big donors. Everybody thinks that we're this, you know, because we are so loud and grew so quickly,

they think that we're this multimillion dollar organization, we're not. If you would like to help us in our mission and to learn more about what we do, you could just go to gaze against groomers.com. You can find helpful resources there as well. Everywhere you can follow us on social media, sign up for our newsletter to stay connected because we have been banned from 14 companies so far. that's probably, you know, going to keep growing. That list is going to keep growing.

There you go. Wow. Look at that. That's a pretty little graphic. I want that graphic, actually. All right. We'll get it to you. No, but I appreciate that so much. And thank you for having me.

But, yeah, I just encourage people to go to our site and keep up with what we're doing and help us if you can because we have a long road ahead of us. You know, we're winning. I really am hopeful for the future. I think that we will eventually win this. I just hope it's sooner than later. Jamie, you're courageous. We love having people on our show that are not afraid to speak out and do something about the issues that they're concerned about.

So keep up the good work and keep us posted. If there's any changes or something that you're working on that you'd like to talk about in the future. Definitely. I'd love to come back. Thank you again for having me. All right. Take care.