The Highwire with Del Bigtree - IS 5G THE ENEMY?

Episode Date: January 26, 2022

5G & wireless expert and attorney, Dafna Tachover Esq., breaks down why 5G technology could have a catastrophic impact on important landing equipment for airplanes, and its proven side effects on the human body.#5GRollout #DanfaTachoverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

I was actually out to dinner with Mickey Willis, and we were talking about how quickly the news changes. I mean, there's not a headline that seems to last more than two or three days. And just as the Supreme Court rules to stop the mandate for all employers, you would think that would be big news. But it certainly got trumped by the idea that we might have to ground all of our planes because of the rollout of 5G? What? This is what that looked like. Major Airlines warning of a possible catastrophic aviation crisis beginning in less than 24 hours when AT&T and Verizon are set to launch new, stronger 5G technology. 5G wireless internet service.

5G cell service. High speed 5G service. 5G wireless technology. Ultra fast 5G wireless. The FAA has warned that 5G antennas near airports could disrupt altitude sensors on board flights. It's critical technology pilots rely on while. landing in bad weather or low visibility. The altimeter bounces radio signals off the ground to tell pilots their distance to the ground. Just an altimeter, no big deal. This is unsafe.

Let us be clear. This is unsafe. The manufacturers have said so, our airlines are saying so, the FAA is saying so, and so our pilot unions. Airlines wrote the Biden administration, urging immediate action on the rollout of the 5G network. The CEO's adding that certain larger planes can't be used and could potentially strand tens of thousands of Americans overseas. Now we hear there are late negotiations underway trying to ensure that the airlines do in fact have a buffer zone, a two-mile buffer zone around those cell sites near airports.

That would give them, they believe, the protection so the planes can land safely. and that would therefore hopefully avert any kind of a massive meltdown that the airlines have been worried about. So all of that news came over the last week, you know, sort of all over the airwaves. And then just yesterday the rollout began Verizon AT&T rolling out the 5G. They didn't stop it all together. There seems to be a limited rollout. Here's what the headlines now look like Verizon AT&T delay 5G rollout around some airports after stark warning. from U.S. Airlines. Just put those words together for a second. Let's just, let me just show you what I do

for a living. I have a red flag here. I'm a journalist. I see AT&T delay the 5G rollout around some of the airports after a stark warning. Is this supposed to make me feel better? It certainly does not. And, you know, one of the things that I love about my job is I get to reach out to the best in the world. When I think about, all right, I want to talk about 5G. And I thought who would be the best person to talk to. And I thought, why don't we go to the leading attorney that is winning lawsuits against the companies that are using 5G, a huge win with the FCC forcing or demanding that we have a change in the way that we're looking at the health guidelines. This was CHD versus the FCC 5G and wireless radiation guidelines lawsuit case summary challenging FCC's wireless radiation

guidelines. So I'm talking about Daphne Tackover, the leading attorney that won that case and is in many cases with 5G. I called her and said, could you give me some thoughts on what's happening here? And boy, could she have her. So I am honored to have her joining me now. Daphne, thank you for taking the time today to help us through this really bizarre story. Thank you, Dale. But those of us who have been following, you know, the 5G and the telecom industry are not surprised from what you're just seeing with airlines. It's just ridiculous. Okay, so to start out with, can you just help me understand what it is we're talking about?

I mean, you know, a lot of times people talk about 5G and health, but right now I just want to understand how is it that 5G rollout affects airplanes? So 5G is a very confusing concept. I mean, we've been told that 5G has been already launched. So why is it not being launched? So 5G is really different than 4G, 3G, 2G, 2G and 1G, 3G were technologies. Actually, technology. 1G was calls, 2G was calls and text, 3G was called text and a little bit more data.

4G was called text and a lot of data. 5G is not a technology. 5G is a concept, is an infrastructure that's supposed to allow the internet of things, driverless cars and anything and everything that would come moving forward. So it's not about connecting people. You're saying that those other 4G, 3G, 2G, 1G were actual technologies. 5G was just a concept because I thought I was hearing about like- It's a concept and a technology.

Okay. It's a concept and a technology. It's a person for most of a concept that we're supposed to now connect things, not only people. So it's not one language. 4G user language is called LTE. That's how 4G devices communicate. 5G is a concept that's supposed to enable Internet of Things networks, which means that we're going to interconnect tens of billions of devices.

So anything and everything in our house, the environment, going to have an antenna, and they're going to communicate and intercommunicate. So your laptop, we'll talk to your refrigerator, or your laundry machine, to our tea kettle. You know, they now have diapers that have an antenna, so they text the mother every time the baby poops. So all of these billions and billions of devices want to be interconnected. And for that, we need a much more intense infrastructure of antennas

because you have many more devices that you need to interconnect. So we need to create a big infrastructure. And that is what 5G. Now you have to create solution and how to create this massive networks that interconnect anything and everything. And the way you do it, there were different ways about how to do it. So in the beginning, they saw that they will put what we all heard about 5G, the millimeter wave networks. Yeah. Millimetre waves. So let's maybe I should explain a few words what it is all these

frequencies and help the confusion. So frequencies that transfer all this data are electromagnetic frequencies. We have an electromagnetic spectrum. Okay. And we have a lot of different frequency. Another word for frequency is a wave. Okay. The higher the frequency, the higher the more waves it have per second. So we measure frequencies in hertz. So, So a frequency of 1 hertz means that it has relation per second. A frequency of 60 hertz, which is, for example, our home electricity will be 60 oscillation per second. For one technology, we use much higher frequencies.

Frequency is that between 3 kilohertz to 300 gigahertz. So that would be 3,000 hertz. And it's basically those groups of frequency we're using for us, WIS technology called radio frequency between 3 kilohertz to 300 gigahertz, which means 3,000 Hertz to 300 billion, so 300 billion oscillations per second. Okay. Right now, most of the wireless technology we've been using for cell phones, Wi-Fi, has been between 600 megahertz to actually 5 gigahertz.

So from 600 million oscillations per second to to seven, sorry, to five, to five billion oscillations per second. Okay. Millimetre waves, again, they're still radio frequencies, there are just higher frequencies on the same group of frequencies. They're mostly between 30 gigahertz to 300 gigahertz. So 30 million, 30 billion hertz to 300 billion hertz. Okay.

So the higher frequencies, the one we've been using. The problem is the higher the frequency, the most easily is obstructed by things in the environment. So you need to put many more antennas in closer proximity so they don't lose connection in order to have this network working. That was not a very smart idea to begin with. Well, this net with this kind of frequency, you can deliver much more data. They have much bigger bandwidth of data like bigger roads. Again, they're easily obstructed by things in the environment and so they're not very practical.

Verizon, AT&T, Timoaba bought these frequencies already three or four years ago. But those networks they were offered, they were only in very limited spaces because they literally could not create that big network. So after that didn't work too well. So let me just get this cleared. I want to make sure I understand. So all the talk I heard 5G are these millimeter waves, super high frequency, they don't penetrate through trees and environments and walls very well. So we need more of these closer to you. All these health experts were telling me that it's this millimeter.

is going to basically rip ourselves apart, all of this, and you're saying that they basically scrapped the millimeter waves that we've all been talking about 5G. They did not scrap. They're using it in different ways than they planned to. Okay. So now, that's the story that goes behind the problem with the airway. But it wasn't good for the cell networks. It was not good.

It was not effective. Ones were getting hit it because they didn't have enough family, so they were like moving to the 4G. So it was not very practical. Okay. Eventually, in 2021, the FCC did another auction and decided to sell, so after the industry was working, how to make it work, this 5G that they promised anyone, they decided they probably need to work on lower frequencies. So they decided, so they basically bought from the FCC, the frequencies which are called

the C-BAN frequencies, which are between 3.5 gigahertz to 4.2 gigahertz. auction took place a year ago and they paid $81 billion for these frequencies. Okay. So these frequencies do travel much better than the millimeter wave frequencies and they're a little bit fast, like they can carry more information than the, let's say, 7, 800 megahertz frequencies, 2.9 gigahertz frequency that we're using until now for cell phones. Okay. So they can get more data a little bit faster, but not as fast as the millimeter wave. So basically the count change their plan some of it does have millimeter waves you usually have millimeter waves in central cities or in stadiums or in airports okay but not really

so much all over because you need to make sure that these waves go farther and they cannot do it with the millimeter waves okay so here we go they bought a sea band now so we so we scrapped in many ways they said we're not going to use the millimeter waves to drive the cell phone service so they went and purchased this midband wave group or sea band and said let's grab that they paid $81 billion to buy that midband now and get rid of this thought we all had that we're going to the super high frequency we'll use it in some places but mostly the new network is going to be building midband okay i'm with you and the problem on that band of frequency is actually um mostly used by the military so they actually had to work with the uh

with the military to get them to move to other frequencies and again that was exactly the problem that happened with the airlines because they were doing more uh doing first and then figure out the mistakes. So nobody, I guess, figured the planes use those frequency for their safety features. And now it's happening. So the military, the military all got off of it. They said, let's get out of the way of those midbands being sold. No one talked to the airlines and just let the airlines go ahead. This is what they were putting in their airplanes. Correct. So now we have on January 4th, both AT&T and Verizon supposed to launch those new C-band, mid-band technology and network.

So for Verizon, it's called ultra wide-band 5G network. And then the airplane, the airline company figured that there is a problem and asked to delay the launch of this technology so they can figure out what to do with the planes. So the airplanes, as your promo explained, used to have an altimeter technology that helps them measure altitude, especially in band. weather and if you are going to have those cell towers and they meet those frequencies they're going to interfere with the airplane system because if you put two antennas that use the same frequency they're going to be interference so

that is clearly a huge risk and the FAA interfere and they agreed that they would not put those antennas in a distance of two miles away from the airport of only 50 airports but what about all the airports so 50 airports it's not even the main airports. Yes. Now what about, let me just ask you just very quickly. So you surround the airports and say those are okay, but isn't the plane like sending and getting information along all along the way? I mean, is it going to be interfering? But you don't have, but you don't have if you're somewhere in the middle of the ocean, you don't have those frequencies interfering with your systems. And those systems of altimeter that measure the distance from the ground are especially important in those close,

when you get closer to the airport where every second matters when you actually want to do the landing. I'm not a pilot, but you know, this is, this is really, you know, quite basic. So their system is going to interfere, critical system from the plane. And what I read from the from the letter that the CEO sent to the FCC and to the White House is that apparently it's not going to be only this altimeter system. Apparently their other system, you know, airplanes have more systems that communicate with other systems in the plane. So apparently those systems also communicate with other critical systems in the plane. And according to that letter, they said that at least three, it might be the three type of airplane, the 777, 787, 737, might have to be grounded for that reason.

And it's not, again, it's not only the antimeter. And that's the ridiculous, it seems like the telecom industry has so much power that they allow even to endanger planes, endanger traffic, you know, with cars. It's people, it's economy, and all of it, in order to reduce your downloads spits from your movie from 10 seconds to two seconds, how can that be more important than the safety of airplane, enabling flights and communication? It's outrageous and it's not the first time. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you this question as a lawyer. Should unfortunately this cause an airplane to crash?

Do you think there would be lawsuits both against the airline, but also would it be possible to see? sue the cell phone carriers or maybe even the FCC that didn't interfere here? Where are the liabilities should this cause a catastrophic accident? It's complex. But I think, first of all, you know, I assume that the product can be some kind of a lawsuit of injunction for against the telecom industry and this systems. In terms of the FCC, it will be more complex. There's very specific reason when and how you can sue.

a government agency. Yes, but I do think that lawsuits are probably possible. I hope it would not get to that. I guess we didn't hear anything in the past couple of days since that letters. I guess there's some negotiation going on. I mean, I've been following and nothing, you know, happened since. So I don't know even that they, it is possible that they not really launched those systems. Someone told them to put a halt on it. So I guess there are negotiation. But I have to say, I'm not very optimistic. You know, we saw we had a bad experience with this five-digity technology already before, about a year ago, NASA warned that those 5G millimeter wave networks are interfering with their weather systems.

And weather systems are critical in order to warn us of catastrophes. As we've seen in the past few years, we have numerous catastrophes related to weather. And because of this 24 gigahertz millimeter wave frequency that they use for 5G, they're interfering with those radar systems. There was a big conference in India. And actually, the world lost. 5G and Telecom 1 got the backing of the FCC. They did some kind of changes to the system,

but overall the rest still exist. And 5G Telecom 1, just in order to get you faster downloads between your game, you know, sacrificing lives of millions of people. It's going to cost a lot. It's unbelievable and it just shows you just how sort of stupid this whole system is. Our government agencies being commandeered by industry,

just capture. as so well put, they're supposed to be protecting us, and now they're making calculated risk with thousands of people that are traveling right now. I'll bet you anything. There's a lot of fingers crossed in control towers and amongst airlines. I don't know, probably AT&T and Verizon

are probably crossed their fingers, hoping that somehow everything goes smoothly, but there are people in the air. I will assume landing at airports that could be at risk. So one of the things that comes up, as you're talking to me, because this is a conversation, And you're not a doctor or a scientist, but you have been suing, you know, one of the issues when you won against the FCC, just very quickly. That was really a case looking at how had you approved 5G and what type of proper studies have been done looking to safety.

And then what type of public, you know, hearings did you have to allow the public to weigh in on this conversation as giant decisions the public should be involved. We should have a vote, at least with our voices. you got the FCC, I mean, you got the judge that basically said the FCC had moved too quickly and didn't use proper science. Is that the basic just of it? Yes. So I want to say, I mean, I'm not a scientist, but, you know, when you're an attorney and you run those cases, which are based on science, you have to learn the science in and out.

And I assume I probably know more than most scientists on this issue as a result. But we do have, you know, a lot of scientific experts that work with us. We actually have scientists, one of the biggest scientists on this issue, in the United States being one of our petitioner, Professor David Carpenter, who is the co-editor of the BIA initiative report, which is the most comprehensive review of the science on wireless arms. And this case, essentially, the FCC adopted what's called health guidelines regarding radio frequency or wireless technology in 1996. Since 19906, the FCC did not update its guidelines, despite thousand more studies, show clear evidence of harms of this technology, including government

studies. And in 2013, it's a long story. The FCC was forced to open a docket, basically, an inquiry asking the public whether or not the FCC should review its guidelines. That docket was open for six years. Thousands of comments were filed, thousands of studies showing harms were filed. In December 2019, the FCC published a decision to that inquiry. There is no evidence showing harm. There's no needs to review the guidelines. That's it. Eight simple pages. It was thousands of studies. There were like hundreds of comments by doctors, scientists, people who've been injured, no answer, no respond, nothing.

Exactly. So we basically the whole thing was a fraud. And the FCC claims that they're not a health guideline and they rely on other agencies to decide whether or not the evidence is there to show that they're harm and basically mostly on the FDA. The FDA also did not conduct any review for the science. And the only thing that the FCC quoted was the FDA website and a couple of letters from the head of the relevant department in the FDA saying that there's no evidence of harm, no analysis, no respond to the evidence in the record, nothing. So we sued the FCC. We had 60 days to sue the FCC. We filed a lawsuit claiming that FCC decision is capricious, arbitrary, not evidence-based and abuse of discretion. And we won. It was, it's in a D.C. Circuit, the ballot court. It's a federal court. It's a three-judge decision to two-to-one decision. And I recommend people to listen to the hearing. It's, it was really, the judges were literally in shock by what the abscessing has done.

So the court ruled that essentially the absentee did not conduct what's called a reason decision-making, which is required from every agency when they're getting into a decision. Part of it was that the court ruled that the FCC did not properly review the evidence that was filed with the FCC and did not give a recent decision making, why that evidence that we provided does not require a change of the guidelines. In its decision, the court specifically, I mean, we provided all of evidence about the negligence in which the FCC approached the 5G issue and the court ruled that indeed the FCC did not properly review the evidence when it comes to the evidence. comes to new technologies, 5G, Wi-Fi.

They never reviewed the evidence on Wi-Fi. I never reviewed any of it. And there's many, many studies, clear studies of evidence, including DNA damage, ADHD, cancer, I mean, damage to sperm. I mean, 50% there's a 50% reduction in quality of sperm in male. You know, there's about, I think 15% of the correlation cannot have children. Nobody's asking why when the clearest reason is those cell phone and Wi-Fi that people put on their pocket and the Wi-Fi and the laptops they put on their knees.

And there's clear evidence. It's destroying your sperm. There's no maybe evidence. It's clear evidence. You know, there was comments in the doctor from the pediatric association. There was comments, and they just ignored the whole thing. And so the court ruled the DAFCC did not review

evidence of science on new technologies. They did not review clear critical elements of the harm of this technology, something called social modulation. Let's talk about the harms then. Okay. So when we, you know, now we're out, you know, one of the things that I'm questioning is has 5G rolled out? I'm getting a mixed message in that.

I have people tell me that it's 5G. Everywhere we launched 5G is where we're seeing COVID. You know, people have wanted me to cover this topic. I'm not going to ask you to get into a lot of detail, but that COVID is really just the symptoms of the 5G rollout. But on the other hand, I have people that tell me your phone's not capable of 5G. It's still 4G. We're not on 5G. And then you told me we jumped off of this millimeter waves for the most part.

So what has rolled out? Has 5G rolled out? That's what I found shocking about these headlines was, wait a minute, I thought 5G was already rolled out. So what is and is not rolled out right now? So, as I said, there's some millimeter wave antennas that were rolled out, especially in major cities. Otherwise, there's a lot of other antennas. Mostly, a lot of them are 4G or what, for example, Verizon called 4G plus. There's T-Mobile, they actually bought the lower frequencies, 600 megahertz frequency that reaches very far distances.

But again, it's not the millimeter array of 5G. Some of it is, some of it is not. It's basically, and they did not even provide the promise that, you know, the promise is faster downloads. There's numerous articles that all of this 5G faster, it's a lie that actually many places, in most places, 4G is faster. There was a lot of fraud, and those companies constantly misstood the public. For example, 18G came up telling people with a cell phone that have 5G on it, 5G evolve. It's actually there was no 5G and actually they were ordered to remove that because it's a lie.

So there is some system of 5G but depends, again, what it is that you define is 5G and whether or not those networks that they told you are 5G and faster there, whether or not they're faster. And actually, most of them were not faster than a 4G and a lot of phones actually moved automatically to the 4G because the 5G was not really there or was not really better or actually were hitting the funds. So it's not a real thing. It is seemed that that 5G midband network that has been deployed will provide those faster somewhat faster networks. Again, it would not be everywhere.

I do want to make a comment about the health effects that you mentioned before. So wireless technology is harmful, whether it's 5G, 4G, 3G, 3D, 3D, D1G, those radio frequencies that transmit information, especially in dense information, like the movies that you down on, those carrier waves that carry this information, carry the movie, your talk, that information is being put over those carrier waves and they have high, they use numerous frequencies, constantly changing, and that is something that adversely affect our body, our nervous system and numerous systems in our body. So 4G is very helpful.

is harmful. Wi-Fi is harmful. 5G is also harmful. And there's no doubt even though there's no specific studies on 5G modulations or what we call language. And there are a lot of studies on millimeter waves that shows that it's helpful. There are studies and not just that because the infrastructure is so much more intent until 5G was deployed there about 300,000 cell towers, which is a lot. But 5G was supposed to add 8,000 thousand cell towers. Large percentage of those towers has been added as a result of this massive deployment for the 5G infrastructure.

So you're saying it doesn't matter if it's millimeter waves or not. We're getting pounded from closer distances, this midband frequency. And tell me just very quickly, so I understand it, you know, this carrier wave. Now the carrier wave might have been the millimeter. We got rid of that and we think, well, it's a 2G or 4G or with even lower when it comes. to T-Mobile, but that carrier wave isn't really the only problem, right? I mean, that's where the science is done is on the carrier wave, but what are they doing to the carrier wave?

So one of the major claims we brought to the court was the radiation. You know, we all talk about radiation, but talking about radiation is helpful to industry. Radiation levels are important, but it seems that the more bioactive element of this technology is the pulsation and modulation of these frequencies. So it means, so you have a carrier way. For example, for Wi-Fi, it's 2.45 billion hertz. So it's 2.4 billion hertz. So that frequency only carry the information.

It carried that movie, it carries that email. You actually have to put the actual movie, the actual text you're writing, the actual email you're writing on that wave. So you can imagine the wave is like something thick and in it there's a lot of small waves which is the actual data that you're transferring. And how you do that, it's called modulation. You modulate that signal to have a lot of other small signal, which is the data.

And that is something which is bioactive and an easy way to explain it. It's like fluorescence light. You know, a lot of people can get seizures from fluorescent flight. And the reason is the fluorescent light is flickering. And something that is flicker is more complicated to our nervous sense. system and that can cause serious bio effects. And that seems to be the problem with exposure to radio pulsed and modulated radio frequencies.

They interfere with our body system. And what seems to be the problem with the 5G modulation, they are pretty intense modulation because they want to transfer more data faster. So they have to jump very quickly between frequencies. And it seems although there's no study so far that was done on the actual modulation of the 5G technologies, because we have to jump very quickly between frequencies. we know that those technologies much more intense and variable, it's very likely that they're going to be even more harmful to the previous modulation.

All right. And this is one of the things that the... Well, I... And this is one of the things that the court addressed, you know... Sorry? Yeah, well, now as soon as you jump into, so now I get it, we have a carrier wave, but on top of it are these tiny waves and that modulation is what can really start doing cell damage and things like that.

Now what about Bluetooth? Is Bluetooth the same as Wi-Fi? Because Bluetooth, you know, I'm using my phone. seems to only work in close distances. Is that mean it's got a weaker frequency? Is that safer for me? Or, you know, where are we at with Bluetooth? No. Oh my God. Bluetooth essentially it's Wi-Fi for close distances. So it's from your phone to your airports, from the phone to your car. So there are Wi-Fi networks for close proximity and therefore very intense. And I do recommend people. There's, you know, this technology,

these waves that you go in the air and go through our body. We don't see them. We don't smell them. Some of us feel them. Those who get sick from it. But it's like invisible harm. And I do recommend people to go and buy meters. They call radio frequency meters. And you can buy in a lot of places online. And they make the invisible visible.

And you will see that actually those Bluetooth networks are very intense networks. You show the airports. There's very intense network. Notice that those airports that you put in your ear, transmit non-stop. levels of radiation, which are literally billions of times higher than those your body was evolved to tolerate. And you have to remember, humans are electric beings. Your heart is electric, your nervous is electric, your brain is electric, your cells communicate electricity. Now you introduce this massive amount of radiation, numerous frequencies that your body identifies and feel

some of these frequencies are the same frequencies in which your body works. For example, Wi-Fi router uses a 10-hertz frequency, which is called a beacon frequency. So when you open your cell phone and you tell you, oh, there's like 18 Wi-Fi networks, how does your phone know that there's 18 Wi-Fi networks? It's because the Wi-Fi router stands a constant beacon frequency, just like airport, telling your phone, I'm here, do you need me? And that 10-hertz frequency is the same frequency used by your brain, alpha brain where you work on frequencies between 8 to 13 Hertz.

And just as we know from those airplanes problem now with airports, when you have two antennas transmitting on the same frequency, they're going to be interruption. Wow. And there's studies showing a lot of EEG studies showing that those frequencies interrupt and interfere with the brain waves. And it's not surprising that people cannot sleep, that people have cognitive problem from this technology,

and they don't even know that that is the cost. What about people that are wearing, like, say, Apple watches? I mean, that's got a frequency. Terrible. It's been monitoring their heart. It's right on their wrist. Does that have an effect? I mean, I'd see the ear pods and the ears it freaks me out.

But what about these watches? I can talk on the phone right on my wrist. Those are the first thing. Just get it off your hand, ASAP. In one of our cases, we had, in other cases that I have against the FCC, one of the petitioners, the woman, she got, she had sleep problems. She didn't know they were caused by the wilds devices in her house. So her husband got her as a gift and I watch to monitor her sleep.

But then she started noticing that whenever she wears that watch, her hand becomes paralyzed, literally. So she started suspected that it's the eye watch. So she moved it to the hand, their hand, and the same thing happened in happening. So she called Apple and she said, listen, my hands become paralyzed when I'm using those eye watches. And after a long conversation, eventually one of the agents told her, we know that some people are reacting to these eyewatches. We have no solution for you except don't wear it. She removed that eye watch and she felt nothing.

The thing is the most two most common symptoms. We've seen people from those eye watch as that pains in the head. even paralysis from the hand or heart reputation. So it's really ridiculous. Those eyewatches were developed to allegedly help you keep feet and measure your heart. But by measuring the heart, they mess up the heart. There's like numerous frequencies coming out

from the eyewatches, the Bluetooth, the Wi-Fi. And those are billions of pulsations a second sitting on your wrist where you have a major nervous system going to your heart and messing up your heart. The worst thing it can do to your fitness and life put those IOS on your hands. Wow. And I can tell it's my sport.

I can all. We could do this all day and go on. There's one last thing as we think about the Internet of Things. And, you know, getting, we're going to have 30, 50 devices in our house and the diapers on my baby all trying to get in and carry this information. I mean, we know on the show, like one of the things when we do this show, when we're talking to a guest like this, we say, turn off your cell phone. Get all the other things off of your Wi-Fi right now so that we can get the clean

signal we can because carrying all that weight even another phone on affects it. So can you imagine the power with which these things are going to have to deliver to carry, you know, information between my toaster, my telephone, my refrigerator, you know, all of this, the vacuum cleaner and my, my baby's diapers. That's still I'm never going to forget that. I mean it's like the craziest waste of technology I can imagine. But there's also, you know, we're starting to see, I know like I have a router in the house, but they're even changing that, aren't they?

they aren't they bringing in systems inside of the house to sort of help power all of that these essential devices yeah about six months ago they started to intensely promote what's called internet of things networks so they actually it's routers that aim to connect all of these smart devices okay and this is for example the one that was promoted by a company called little antenna people were getting flyers put in their doors saying, hey, we pay you $600 to help create this big world, this interconnected world. And essentially, these are looked like router, but literally they're like cell towers. There's like a cell tower in your house. Go ahead.

Go ahead. It's like a cell tower. And it's not just in your house. They put it in your house, but it's connect the whole neighborhood's devices for a distance about half a mile. So you basically, the antenna for all of this. And then for example, Amazon announced on June 8, all of their devices are going to be now connected. So if you have devices, Amazon devices like Echo, like Alexa, now they're all connected, talking to each other.

So your devices talk to the neighbor device and connect and create a network of their own. And so now we get much more higher radiation from these devices. Connecting, it's also a problem for your security systems, much easier to hack. It just, and you don't even know, your neighbor can have one of these antennas that I, that you showed before in their house, it transmitt to half a mile distances, which means that they're pretty high levels of radiation. And it's from your house and it's and you don't have that meter to measure. You're just going to get sick and cannot sleep and your child will have cognitive problems and heart reputation and anxiety attacks. And you would not know that this small thing in your house.

It's really the cause of it. And your neighbor would not even know why. What do you recommend that we do in this world? of these waves beaming through our houses around our houses, through our devices. What's the, what's the first steps in trying to protect ourselves? I think first thing, I mean, most of the population is really addicted to this technology. And it's very nice that I say those things, but I think that last people are getting convinced that would not change their waves.

So I think first and for most people need to get informed. And there's massive evidence. I do recommend reading those documents that we filed in our lawsuit. you found 11,000 pages of evidence, which was like, you know, it costs us $50,000 to do those 11,000 pages, just evidence. And then evidence out there is massive. There's numerous good studies with a website and evidence. With evidence, just educate yourself. And then look around, you see, what change in your life? I mean, all the various adverse health effects, your family experiences. I mean, so many children have autism, it's been connected to all. connected to autism. We have like literally doctors saying that after families

remove their Wi-Fi and wireless from their home, children literally, children who never spoke a word. And I know those families personally, after a few days of removing wilds, devices, autistic children started to speak. And I'm not exaggerating. I know those families, I know those doctors. So just and see what happened.

Remove those devices, turn off the Wi-Fi router and cell phone at night and see what happened. You're still going to have quite a lot, because again, we're surrounded by this from my neighbors. All the time the router transmit further distances or the radiation from your neighbors are coming into your house. But the bottom-wise proximity is critical. When it comes to radiation, radiation drops in a square of the distance. So distance is critical. So probably the worst devices for you are the devices in your home. Turn off the cell phone. Don't

sleep with them. If you need an alarm cloth either disable all the wireless in your phone or get a one-dollar phone from a watch from IKEA. Turn off the Wi-Fi, and see how you sleep, see what happens to you in your family. And again, the only environment we can control right now, it's our home environment. And I see the sickness every day. It's overwhelming. People need to start and reduce exposure. Is there just the last question?

When I put my phone in airplane mode, is that the same as turning it off? Does that stop the radiation from my phone? No. So if you go to the settings on your phone, you're going to have airplane mode, going to have Wi-Fi, you're going to have Bluetooth. Each of this, each of the features on your phone has its own antenna because it's working on different frequencies. So when you disable, if you put your phone on airplane mode, it's essentially only disable the frequencies that work for the calls.

It does not disable the Wi-Fi antennas, it does not disable the Bluetooth antennas. In the older phone it did, but in the new phones, it's not. So if you really want to turn off the the radiation in your phone. You need to put it on airplane mode. You need to disable the Wi-Fi and you need to disable the Bluetooth. Also disable location because I have another antenna. So that only then your phone is really off. And what I recommend people, I mean, essentially to reduce constant exposure.

If you go around and you need to keep your phone on because you want to get calls or you have to get calls, you can for those times, turn off the Bluetooth, turn off the Wi-Fi. And then when you stop and you want to check your email or how many, you have to get calls, you can, you can, any likes you got on Facebook. Enable that antenna. It takes exactly one second. Get all the data you want, send whatever emails, and then again, disable the Wi-Fi,

disable the Bluetooth when you don't use them. And so you have less radiation. You still have a lot of radiation, especially from close proximity, but it's much less radiation. So there's a lot of small things you can do to reduce your exposure and they are really meaningful. But one of the claims of industry

when they try to tell people why Wi-Fi is not harmful or the cell towers on harmful. They said, you know, your cell phone emit more radiation. But again, that's falsity. To my opinion, the worst radiation you can get is that chronic exposure. And there is explanation from cell towers and especially Wi-Fi in your house.

The Wi-Fi is intense. It's constantly, have a lot of modulation, a lot of pulses. Now the where avatars have 2.45 gigahertz frequency, 5 gigahertz frequency, and the new system that Varanzon lounge right now for the 5G home also have a 6-ghertz frequency. So another frequency. And they also have another antenna in them and transmit a signal to the street.

So they use your router in your house to give hotspots to people on the street and you don't even know that. And they don't tell you. And so a lot is going on. It's technical, but it's not complicated. There's a lot of good website, good YouTube videos, reduce exposure and, you know, start, you know, deal with your addiction to these devices. It's not a good one.

Daphna, you're so passionate about this, and I feel lucky to know that you're out there fighting for all of us when you're bringing these lawsuits. I want to just say it right now. If you ever need help, the Inform and Consent Action Network is dedicated to eradicating man-made disease. That's what we say. These are man-made diseases, so certainly we'll talk after this. But any help you need to forward your work. Is there a website or something we can go to track the information you're doing or anything that we can... Well, until recently I worked for the Children's Health Defense.

I left the Children's Health Defense in October this year. So I kind of like went back to my previous organization, which is we already evidence. But at this point, you know, I kind of like in between thinking about the lawsuit, next lawsuit. So I'm less intense in terms of the information. But there's a lot of really great information out there for all of websites. I recommend physician for safe technology,

which is a group of physicians and scientists, which is amazing information out there on the website. and keep up to date with everything. The Bio Initiative report, which is another website, which is the biggest review of the signs on this issue, it's incredible. There is, so there's a lot of website and information, and we'll see what next for me.

All right, Deppie, keep up the great work. You know, we'll keep in our prayers. Thank you so much. Thank you for enlightening us today and taking the time. So much information here. I appreciate it. You take care. Thank you for all your work.

and congratulations on your recent grant. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Well, I mean, it's incredible, right? It just feels like if it isn't dawning on you that your regulatory agencies no longer have your back, that they are not looking out for you, then maybe this is a little bit more like the Wild West

than you realized and you're all on your own. There's no sheriff in town protecting you. I think we've got to come to that conclusion. And I keep thinking about how many guests we've had on that talk about community. It's time to get back to our community. Find those that you're like-minded with. Maybe even start building neighborhoods and networks with people

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