The Highwire with Del Bigtree - ITS NOT NICE TO MESS WITH MOTHER NATURE

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

Immune Dysfunction Expert, James Neuenschwander, joins Del to talk about the critical effect lockdowns and masking has had on our immune systems, particularly those of young people. Is there a direct link between the lack of exposure to germs and viruses in recent years and the current spike in deadly outbreaks of hepatitis and RSV?#DrNeu #DrNeuenschwander #RSV #HepatitisBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

The lockdowns that took place over the last two years actually did affect our immunity, did affect our health outcomes. Much of that, I think, is being portrayed in ways we may not see it, like weird illnesses with our children. Take a look at this. Growing concerns about a mysterious illness affecting children around the world. Health officials are sounding the alarm about a mysterious new outbreak of severe hepatitis in young kids. There is another virus besides COVID impacting our children. We are talking about RSV. Doctors say they've been seeing more cases of respiratory,

sincecical virus or RSV in infants and young children. An outbreak of RSV. It's a highly contagious seasonal respiratory virus that mostly affects children. The CDC's nationwide alert is warning doctors to look for severe inflammation of the liver in otherwise healthy children. The World Health Organization says that at least 650 children have been diagnosed with this severe infection since early April. What is striking about this is the number of cases in the period of time and kind of all over

the world and also following this huge pandemic. Doctors and health experts are truly baffled and don't know why these children are getting hepatitis, but health investigators are casting a wide net to get to the bottom of these rare outbreaks. Officials say they're exploring a possible new link between hepatitis and adenovirus, commonly linked with colds. child with severe hepatitis was also found to have had adenovirus type 41. Researchers say any number of viruses, environmental toxins, even medication can cause severe

hepatitis. So it will be a while before researchers can solve this puzzle. So many puzzles, so little time, it seems, in the hands of scientists that have apparently gotten just about everything wrong. And what I'm about to talk about now, I think, is one of the greatest mistakes ever made in science history. I have said time and time again on this show. And the most boggly part of this whole experience of lockdowns and masks

is the people that decide to go along with it. All of my friends, like Whole Foods in Texas, I mean, you were free to go around without a mask almost everywhere in Texas except the one place you go for your organic food, for your vitamins, for your, you know, your mineral waters and things like that. This is the place where we're all masking down. I'm thinking myself, what is your understanding of health for your child? It's not just taking vitamins and eating healthy,

but being involved in your environment, breathing the air. I mean, what was this doing to our kids? I mean, this is what is going through my mind every time I'm seeing these weird illnesses popping up. But what was so shocking is this week, apparently, it's not just, you know, thinking from the high wire or all of these, you know, alternative media sources. It is now hitting the mainstream.

Check this out. This is stat news. Viruses that were on hiatus during COVID are back. and behaving in unexpected ways. Look what they go on to say. And remember, this is a very medical paper. These viruses are not different than they were before, but we are, for one thing,

because of COVID restrictions, we have far less recently acquired immunity. As a group, more of us are vulnerable right now. And that increase in susceptibility experts suggest means we may experience some wonkiness as we work toward a new post-pandemic equilibrium with the bugs that infect us. The past two winters were among the mildest,

influenza seasons on record, but flu hospitalizations have picked up in the last few weeks. In May, not in the winter, in May. Adina virus type 41 previously thought to cause fairly innocuous bouts of gastrointestinal illness may be triggering severe hepatitis. We were just seeing that in the newspieces in healthy young children. And babies born during the pandemic may have entered the world with few antibodies passed on by their mothers in the womb because those mothers may have been sheltered from RSV and other respiratory pathogens during their pregnancies, said Hubert Nyster's, a professor of clinical

virology and molecular diagnostics at the University Medical Center in Gronengen, the Netherlands. There was other articles and headlines, but I want to get to my guess. Here's one of them. COVID restrictions, stunted kids' immune systems could explain surge of other illnesses, scientists say. So this is now finally mainstream, something that once again, a giant I told you so here on the high wire. to a doctor that is in the middle of this all the time. Specializes in autoimmune diseases and issues in childhood illnesses.

James Nguyen Schwander, a really good friend of the show, board certified emergency integrative medicine, integrative and holistic medicine. You get it, look at that. The list goes on and on. He's well accredited, but let's get to the point. I'm honored to be joined right now by Dr. James Newen Swander. I know you were just treating patients.

We got you live right here to speak with us. But first of all, First of all, you deal with autoimmune issues and you deal with children. How important is it that we be directly involved in our environment, breathing germs and viruses, and touching them, touching our face, something we've been told this is really, really bad. What is your perspective on that when we think of how we raise our children? Yeah. Well, first of all, I think you need to subtitle this whole show.

It's Not Nice to Mess with Mother Nature. because that's what you're seeing COVID strains, and that's what you're seeing with these kids. You know, there's something called a hygiene hypothesis of health where we actually require exposure to some degree of pathogens continuously. And we know that people that grow up in environments like farm environments where they're exposed to animals

or exposed to dirt, they actually have far less incidences of asthma, of allergies, of autoimmune disorders. And that benefit disappears when they move to a city with a more sterile environment. So we've known that for quite some time. And I'm not saying go out, you know, to the septic tank and drink from the water. I'm saying we need some of that exposure. And the scary thing about COVID with lockdowns and masks and all that stuff. And, you know, you can argue about whether masks stop COVID, but masks do stop bacterial particles.

And, you know, there's some, you're rebreathing your own waste gases, basically. basically. There's evidence that with the lockdowns, kids just have not been exposed to these organisms. Not just kids, adults, too, but it's really important with kids because they're developing that immune system, especially if they're under maybe seven or eight years old, you know, they have a very immature immune system and they require that continuous exposure for that immune system to develop properly. If not, it's just going to start reacting to things it shouldn't react to. And it's many levels. It's not just the kid. You know, it's the mother who's breastfeeding. She wasn't exposed either because she was isolated. So she doesn't have the antibodies

in the breast milk. The baby's not as protected against some of the things you were talking about, like RSV or these endoviruses or, or, you know, the entroviruses or some of these other things that are being out. So it's kind of scary because, you know, they want to blame it. Oh, you know, we were locked down, so we weren't interacting with each other. Now we're unlocked and all of a sudden, of course, these things are going to explode because now we're all together again. But the reality is, especially this enterovirus, not aneurvirus, they adenovirus and hepatitis link.

Yeah. Because that's not unheard of. I mean, we know that adenovirus can cause hepatitis, but it almost always is an immunocompromised children, all right? It almost never causes hepatitis in a healthy kit. And then now all of a sudden you have these outbreaks. And I know the CDC had a, yes, this outbreak in Alabama. This is one hospital.

They had nine kids. I think three of them required liver transplants or something like that. I mean, very, very sick. But these were all kids that did not have any history. They were not immunocompromise. They did not have another medical condition. All they had was adenovirus 41. And what's important here is that one reporter said, you know, not everybody tested positive.

In this case, when they tested, you know, a standard test where you spin down the blood and you test the serum, yeah, a bunch of them were negative. But when they tested the whole blood, they were all positive. So clearly it was the adenovirus 41 that was causing the hepatitis and otherwise healthy kids. Why would that be? Well, something has to be wrong with their immune system for that to be happening. And that something could be two years of not being exposed to things that should have been exposed. What's so interesting about it, Dr. Neuenschwander, is that it didn't just happen in one area, that it was sort of this outbreak all at once all around the world.

We were seeing it in different countries. Where did this outbreak come from? What was it? I mean, you could imagine if, like, you know, one group is near some smokestack that's putting out something, lowering immune systems or radiation or something like that. But when you see something happen at the same time all around the world, you've got to look for that common denominator. and the one common denominator of kids all around the world was these lockdowns.

And so when you think about the lockdowns, let me just ask you a question because I'm curious about this. And on one hand, I'm saying, does this mean lockdowns in some ways they work, that they actually do stop viruses? I mean, it makes me sort of question, you know, all of the perspectives, even though all the studies we see show us that the lockdowns had virtually zero effect on stopping transmission and the rise in infections from SARS-CoV-2. But let me ask you this.

When we talk about lockdowns, there's several different parts to it. One of it is the fact that we didn't go outside. We were locked in our houses. Even in California, I remember they arrested a guy for surfing by himself in the ocean. I mean, that level of insanity, no exercise allowed, no sun.

Is that the bigger issue? Or is it wearing a mask all the time as a part of the lockdowns that will lead us to these issues? or is it the social distancing? Is it the fact that the kids weren't touching each other and rolling around with each other? Obviously, you know, sneezing and spewing all over each other

the way they normally would have. We have these horrifying images of them behind plastic barriers, six feet apart, eating their sandwiches by themselves, contemplating suicide at the age of four. But of all these issues, what do you think leads us to this problem? What would be the most likely scenario of those lockdown decisions? Well, I, you know, again, I'm very biased because of the work that I do with kids on the autism spectrum and just understanding what happens to kids when, you know, their immune system gets dysregulated and they get antibiotic after antibiotic after antibiotic and their gut biome is completely messed up. You know, for the last, I don't know, 15 or 20 years, we've had this rebirth of interest in the biome, in the fact that we are not.

a single organism. We're an ecosystem and we're an ecosystem that lives within a larger ecosystem, right? I mean, this is what Zach Bush talks about all the time. And if we are not at equilibrium with that ecosystem around us, then we're going to develop illness. So of all those things you mentioned, to me, the worst thing is the lack of exposure to other people. Now, whether that's social distancing or that's complete lockdown, I'm not sure. But it's the lack of exposure to other organisms. You know, we know that you could you can order what are called germ-free mice. So these are mice that have no bacteria in their gut. We use them all the time in research to look at gut biome and the effect of this or that organism on behavior or health or whatever. But these germ-free

mice, if you don't give them a bio, they're very sick. They don't gain weight properly. They don't run mazes. They're anxious. They have all kinds of mental health disorders. They're there gets sick. They get autoimmune disorders. And it's all because of the they don't have the exposure. I mean, to me, that's the more important thing. You know, the trouble with lockdowns, theoretically, if every single human being on this planet went into a hermetically sealed container and didn't come out until the virus was gone, that might work. I'm not sure, but that might work. Anything less than that is never going to work. And you can ask Australia or New Zealand or these places that just lock down hard, right? The problem is you have to lock down until there is

no virus left. And according to Dr. Fauci, we have to learn to live with it. So obviously, we didn't get rid of the virus. All we did was help that virus evolve into something new and something more infectious so that when you unlock, your entire country is going to get sick in a week. You know, I mean, that's what's happened in these places. So, you know, obviously the lockdowns did not change anything. And I just, you know, for the people that I talked to that just think, oh, it was great that, you know, masks, we need to go back because the numbers are going up and all this It's like, wait a minute. How long we've been talking about this? Two and a half years? You know, I mean, if this worked, you don't think two and a half years was enough time for these policies to work?

Right. They just have the vaccine's been a failure. Masking's been a failure. Lockdowns have been a failure. You know, social distancing has been a failure. And these hand sanitizers, I'm sorry, throw them away. Yeah. This was never a contact disease. You know, if you don't want to get, you know, some antiral virus, well, yeah, by all. means wash your hands. But you know, using, you know, Norwalk or Coxacki or these neuroviruses that are causing polio-like syndromes, yeah, wash your hands, you know, but don't be putting some toxic crap on your hands eight, ten, twelve times a day. Wouldn't you say it would be a good idea? I mean, I know this seems extreme, but we should probably be carrying around the soap that we recommend for our kids, give them something, because we are still constantly, every public place, you know, I want to wash my hands. And I'm thinking,

what am I putting on my hands? What is what product is here? Am I wiping out my entire biome on my hands? Millions and billions of good viruses battling bad viruses, only to let Mercer spread loose on my body at some point. I mean, all of that has a risk factor. And we are just, we've so been so used to, you know,

letting the world or the buildings and the businesses we're in make our choices for us. And now we're seeing that that could have really detrimental long-term effects. Right. Yeah, I mean, you have to remember whatever you're using, whether it's an antibiotic or it's an antiseptic soap or it's a hand sanitizer, you're going to knock out the most vulnerable organisms. And those are the ones that usually are protecting you. And what's going to survive are the more aggressive organisms. So yeah, you're just going to promote the growth of organisms that are much more likely to cause problems by doing all this stuff. You know, so again, there is not. Because I start talking about hygiene hypothesis and people are like, oh, really, you don't want me to wash my hands before I eat dinner. But, you know, all this sort of stuff that has come from, what, two centuries of Louis Pasteur. You know, it's not like I'm telling people to go out and don't do anything for your personal hygiene.

It's not like that. There is a sweet spot, a middle zone that we have in everything in medicine. You know, you can be too high. You can be too low. You want to be just right. You want to be in that Goldilocks zone. And it's the same with exposure. You know, I'm not saying go out into a tuberculosis ward and hang out for a week.

You know, I'm saying walk around with other people that look healthy because they're going to have organisms you've never seen. And by getting those organisms, you're going to improve the diversity of what of your biome, of what's living on and in you. And that's the key to health. I mean, they've shown this over and over again with the gut. The more diverse your gut biome is, the healthier you are. Not just your healthier your gut is, but the healthier your immune response, the healthier hormones, and the more healthy this thing is, too. You know, it all goes together with the diversity of the environment that you're in.

So if you lock yourself down, you become like that germ-free mouse and you're anxious and you're cowering in a quarter and you're depressed and you can't run a maze and you're going to get the next autoimmune disorder and the next infection that comes down the pike. What is the best way for us to reintegrate? I mean, I know right now, and frankly, it's weird, I'm seeing kids still being masked by their parents. And let's just say for some reason, they accidentally happen upon the high wire here. Should we be careful when we come out of a lockdown to just rush our kids right back in? Is there, you know, do we have to be, you know, gently move them into society, you know, start going back to normal practices like kids like actually wrestling with each other?

or is it, do we just go, just jump right in, hole hog and say it's over? Do you have any recommendations there? I know I didn't pre-ask you any of these questions, so putting you on the spot. Yeah, this is like you're asking my personal opinion and whatever I say is my personal opinion, because as far as I know,

there are no prospective placebo-controlled double-blind studies to answer that question. But I mean, this is my belief system. You know, I'm a firm believer in my own immune system. I'm a firm believer in nutrition. And so if you have a kid who's healthy, and again, it's all the ifs. What are the circumstances? There you go.

Give them a bunch of watermelon and dirt. But if you got a kid that's otherwise healthy, you know, doesn't have a reason for you to be concerned about their immune response. If you've got good nutrition going into that kid, there's really no reason why that kid can't go back out doing what kids are supposed to do, which is play with each other, you know, eat some mud pies and go get them exposed to their. environment. You know, we started out the show talking about Ron DeSantis brought the $27 million lawsuit against Special Olympics. I was saying these are children that are of all the groups that

you would focus, vaccinate, forced to vaccinate to be a part of an event, is these children that are going to have clear immune suppressed issues and things like that. But just for a second, I'm throwing a curveball at you, the big conversation, FDA, CDC, everybody keeps moving more and more towards more booster shots, vaccines for kids. As someone that deals with, I would say, the results of vaccines in children, what are your thoughts? Is this vaccine worse than any vaccine you've ever seen before when it comes to kids? Or is it just more of the same? Is it the same problem? Well, it's very difficult to say it appears to be worse than any other vaccine we've ever had. I mean, that that is just what the numbers look like, but those may be skewed just because we're vaccinating everybody at the same time.

Right. Right. So normally, you know, we're going to give a measles vaccine. We're going to give it to 12-month-olds every year. That might be 4 million kids. And then we're going to give it to 4 million, 5-year-olds and a smattering of adults. But, you know, it might be 8 million, 10 million, 12 million, whatever it is, MMR vaccines per year. Here we're giving, I don't know what they're up to.

200-something million. Yeah, like, I think it's. Well, that's people. That's people. I'm talking about the actual shot. Oh, right? So, you know, 70% got two vaccines, 20, whatever, 30% got three vaccines, a handful, got four. So we, I don't know what the total number of shots is, but it's in the hundreds and hundreds of millions.

And it's all within the last year and a half. So you're going to see a lot more all at once because everybody got vaccinated all at once. But my experience with this is that it is just so much worse than any other vaccine that that we've used. And this idea that we need to vaccinate, you know, look at people just under 60. Forget about kids. Just under 60. What's the morbidity or mortality of this disease under 60, particularly if you're healthy? It's essentially zero.

I mean, you know, they don't even talk about these numbers. Under 70, it's 99.41 percent survival. Under 10, it's like zero. I mean, at what point do you say that there's zero mortality? Does it have to be one in 50,000, one in a million, one in two million? I mean, the CDC's numbers from 2020, you know, healthy kids, eight kids died that were that didn't have any other diagnoses. Eight out of 17 and a half million, that's one and two million. At what point do you call that zero?

Why on God's earth would you vaccinate them for anything? Yes. Number one. Number two, why would you vaccinate them for Omicron with a vaccine that was designed for Wuhan? I mean, we know it doesn't matter. If you were vaccinated with, if you got a vaccine, if you had one of the, you know, Delta, Wuhan, Al, one of the earlier variants, it didn't matter. You got Omicron. Everybody got Amicron. Amicron was so different from all the other strains that your immunity to the other strains

almost didn't matter. Maybe you didn't have a severe case, but you still got it, right? And that's the whole problem. We reset that, that herd immunity clock back to zero November 1st or December 1st when Ammocrine showed up, right? We reset it to zero because now everything is Amicron and if you've not had Amicron, you're not contributing to herd immunity. Well, if you're going to vaccinate for these strains that have nothing to do with Omicron, how is that going to work? You know, I say it's like we're going to treat a measles outbreak with the flu vaccine. How well do you think that's going to work?

What they're doing? And so it's not even, you know, the vaccine for anybody right now doesn't make sense. Right. But especially for kids, they are at zero risk. They are at such low risk. I mean, there's a handful that might benefit. But the vast, fast, vast majority, there's no benefit to them. So I don't care what the risk is.

It's higher than the benefit for these kids. And under five, I'm sorry, I cried. You know, I cried when the FDA passed that. Yeah. I mean, it's just horrible. This is not science. When you look at this science and what's happening, I mean, I know we've discussed you look at it is an agenda.

The agenda seemed to be to try and get us all enrolled in the vaccine program. I feel like this week, when we were really looking at this with our team, I am seeing Facebook posts, Twitter posts, people saying, I thought the anti-vaxxers were a bunch of nutty loons. Now, after this last two years, I am bailing out, not just the COVID vaccine, this entire program. I don't trust the CDC anymore. I don't trust the FDA anymore. I am seeing that everywhere. Also, as a research scientist and someone that's been involved in this, Dr. New and Schwander, I mean, there are so many studies all around the world.

I mean, like a floodgate has opened of just various, a vast amount of different injuries from the COVID vaccine. And I think back to this idea of being wakefielded, right? They had so long implemented this fear upon every doctor that if you challenge the safety of a vaccine, we will destroy your career just like we did Andrew Wakefield. I think those days are over, man. I think the floodglades are open. There are so many people, the Dr. Peter McCullas, the Robert Malone's, the Gert Band and all these guys varying levels of belief in vaccines not they haven't all abandoned vaccines but they're

speaking honestly at such massive numbers now that i feel like there's a safety now that it's it's no longer the threat it must have once been what is going to happen now to the CDC the FDA as every scientist seems like they have been given carte blanche to do the studies they've always want to do and ask the question is this thing safe or not is it protecting or not is it causing all these other issues. I feel like we are in a huge awakening in medicine right now. Am I just overly optimistic? Well, I share your optimism. I mean, you know, it's not just people that are waking up. It's great that people are waking up and the percentages are huge now. I mean, you know,

you've been with this movement long enough to have seen that move forward, you know, where we went from 20 or 30 percent questioning vaccines over 50 to over 70 percent. But it's it's doctors as well. I mean, the trouble with doctors is they're not, you know, I'm in a special position. I have my own practice. I'm not beholden to a hospital system or to some management team. You know, I can make my own decisions. But there are a lot of doctors out there that, you know, in private will say, you know, pat you on the back and say, keep doing what you're doing. I wish I could join you. So they're, you know, the thought process is there because they're seeing this stuff too. And, you know, we don't become doctors so that we can watch our people. patients suffer and die. You know, that's not why we did this. Most of us became doctors because we want to help people. We want to help people heal and become better. And they're not teaching that. They're not showing that. You know, I think I'd talk to you about one of the meetings we're at together. You know, that article by Peter McCullough that was published in December of 2020, right, December of 2020, he published an article showing how to treat COVID. I mean, that article was downloaded millions and millions and

millions of time, right? So obviously there were plenty of people out there that were dying to know how do I treat my patients. What do I do for my patients? And that gives you an idea. But again, you're stuck in a system that says, no, you can't use ivermectin. No, you can't use fluvoxamine. No, you can't use any of the, you know, Budesinide, all the things that we use to treat successfully, treat COVID. You know, you can't use them because it's against our system's policies. It's scary. And I'm just, I'm looking at, are we going to come out of this with some common sense? You know, let's reevaluate that vaccine schedule. Let's not look at vaccines as this thing that's completely free, doesn't harm anybody, one in a million. Don't worry about it. It's collateral damage. You know, and then let's reevaluate every vaccine and say, do we really need this vaccine? Yeah. Right? This vaccine going to kill, is this disease going to kill a bunch of people? Is this vaccine going to prevent that disease?

And what kind of side effects does this vaccine really have? And more importantly, how can we protect ahead of time who's going to be injured? Right. So we can protect them. You know, I think there's a really simple solution to all of this. And I think about this a lot. And I've decided that my jump off place, the place where I can say, I can sort of hang up my boxing gloves, say mission accomplished,

I think you solve most of this by just putting liability back. back on the industry, back on the manufacturers, back on the doctors, back on the hospitals. Go ahead and say you're liable for every death, for every heart attack, for every case of biocarditis. So why don't you decide since you made this great product, how many of the products do you think are safe enough and win out on that risk-reward ratio?

I think we would suddenly get a very honest vaccine program there and it wouldn't look anything like what we're looking at right now. No, either vaccines would cost 10,000. $1,000 each to pay for all the liability settlements or we just wouldn't have them. No, I agree with your 100%. You know, you can say what you want about the free market, but it has a certain sense of justice that nothing else really does. You know, if a product is garbage, it's gone. You might be able to fool people for a short period of time, but over any length of time, that product's not going to survive.

And if a product causes harm, it'll come out. I mean, remember, Vioxx, you know, there were doctors talking about the dangers of Vioxx early on, And they, you know, Merck tried to stifle them. And it was only a lawsuit that brought that out that Merck had all these, you know, internal memo saying, you know, we're going to seek out these doctors and destroy them where they lived. I think that's pretty much a quote of one of the, one of the memos. And it gives you an idea of, if not overt evil, at least the business mindset of the people

you're dealing with. You know, they're not interested in what's best for their customer. you know, they're interested in what's best for the bottom line. If you sit down with your bean counters and you say, we're going to make more money off this drug than we're going to spend in wrongful death lawsuits, there's a definite issue there that needs to be addressed. But I agree with the 100%. Free market would take care of all this.

And I would venture to guess, I don't know that we'd have any vaccines. I don't know which vaccine would survive that kind of a challenge. Very interesting. My last question for you, because I think as people watch, They think, oh my God, I wish this guy was my doctor. And you talk about how there's great doctors out there, but they're being controlled by a medical system. I mean, they are being forced to use remdesivir for COVID,

to put people on ventilators instead of giving them oxygen, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine. They're going along with the system. People are at a place now where they are terrified to step foot into a hospital. You and I were just at an event together a few days ago up in Michigan, and some of the most horrifying stories I've ever heard of people bringing their loved ones, a husband, a wife, a mother into the hospital being banned from the room,

even saying they don't want remdesivir, they don't want to be vented, all of that happened. They essentially murdered their loved one. We're seeing this everywhere. So do you have any thoughts on as we are in what maybe an eye of a storm or maybe we're through it? I don't know where we're at, But, you know, there's this sense at any moment it's just going to kick off again.

While we're in this break, is there a way we can find the right type of doctors that will give us better advice? Like, you know what? Let your kids play in the dirt while this is going on. You're going to be better off instead of those that are just going to go on with this status quo, knowing full well, that if they had the voice you had, they would speak their truth. Is there words? Is it functional medicine? What is it you think we should be looking for in perhaps a doctor that we would want, to our family, should a crisis happen? Because, you know, God forbid, I had a crisis last year.

You know this. You helped me through it. If I hadn't gone to a doctor, I probably would have died. So doctors have a time and a place, no doubt about it. How is it we find the good ones? Well, yeah, I certainly would start by looking at somebody that either puts themselves out as a functional medicine doctor and integrated medicine doctor. But it's not just doctors. I mean, You know, you have nurse practitioners, you have physicians assistants, you have naturopathic physicians, you have chiropractors that are involved with this stuff. You know, and it depends state by state what the prescriptive powers are of the various licenses. But I would start there, you know, look for somebody who puts themselves out as a functional medicine

physician. You know, and in pediatrics, I belong to the Medical Academy of Pediatric Special Needs. I'm on their conference co-chair, so I put together their educational. part of the conference, you know, looking at organizations like them, and that's medmaps.org, but looking at organizations like them for pediatricians, and I know locally, you know, our chapter of the, it's Michigan for vaccine choice, you know, they do sort of under the table, pay attention to which doctors are more friendly for vaccine choices, which doctors are more integrative sort of under the table. But actually looking for somebody that, overreactivity,

virtually says, yes, this is what I do. I'm not affiliated with this or that medical system. You know, we make our own decisions and we're basing it on, you know, again, I started my clinic with the tagline treating illness at its source. And I don't know. I think that's what functional medicine is. I'm not even sure what it is. But it's the idea of, you know, rather than treating the symptom up here, digging down below

the surface, finding the cause and treating the root cause, you know, you need to find a physician like that. And, you know, how do you find these people? Well, number one, there's, you know, all kinds of Facebook groups. I don't want to advertise Facebook, but, you know, still there's a lot of the social media where you can connect with other parents to find out who's doing what. You know, compounding pharmacies can be a great source. It's like, hey, who, you know, which doctors are around that are using your services.

And, you know, a lot of times it'll be nudge, nudge, wink, wink, you know, want you to go see Dr. New. Those resources are out there, but you're right. You know, this is the eye of the storm. I don't, I mean, COVID's not going away. The numbers are going up. And all we need is that one mutation to take what's already highly, highly infectious version of SARS and make it deadly.

Right? That's all we need. And then we will have infectivity of Omicron and the deadliness of Delta. You know, my phone was ringing off the hook, August, September, October, November. And then when Ammocrine showed up, nothing. And in the last month, yeah, I'm getting calls again. So, you know, I don't need to look at a chart. I can just look at how many calls do I get on a weekend with people saying they have

I'm a cry. Whereas before, you know, people would tell me a month later, oh, yeah, I had Ammocrine. You know, I had a run out for a couple of them. It's fine. You know, and now they're calling saying, you know, I'm feeling pretty sick. Well, look, Dr. New, I appreciate you taking the time. That's all really valuable information. I appreciate that you were as vocal as you are.

And, you know, I think it's getting less and less dangerous for guys like you to speak your truth, which is a good sign that we are in a massive growth spurt right now in America and I think around the world. But you've been a pioneer in this journey for so long. And I want to thank you for being one of the guiding voices behind the scenes for the highway. A lot of people don't know how much we lean on you and your understanding and your work. So it's just an honor to have this moment to speak with you about these issues. So thank you for taking the time. Well, thank you so much, And you just need to understand that you are one of the beacons for all of us. You know, when things get really dark, I turn on the highware.

It lifts me back up every time. I'm glad to hear it. That's what we're here for. You take care.