The Highwire with Del Bigtree - JEFFREY TUCKER ON PANDEMIC INJUSTICES AND RFK HEARING

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

The Brownstone Institute founder, Jeffrey Tucker, joins Del live in D.C. to discuss the incredible injustices committed during the pandemic and how it affected the credibility of the public health and media. Also, hear his take on some of the pivotal moments of the RFK confirmation hearing and false statements made by detractors. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

Jeffrey Tucker, so many times, some of the most, probably the most used slide I have is Brownstone Institute. They've been doing great research. He's been doing incredible research. His entire career as a journalist and a writer writing some of the most important articles, certainly through COVID. I think many of you were introduced to him. But if you do not know who Jeffrey Tucker is or unaware of the Brownstone Institute, take a look at this. Join me now, Jeffrey Tucker. Let's talk now to Jeffrey Tucker, who's president of the think tank,

Brownstone Institute. Jeffrey Tucker, such a pleasure to have you. It's been a very dark time from the lockdowns through the shot mandates, the destruction of small business, the brutalization of the children with the mask mandates and the school closures. It was just a very strange, you know, sort of scientific experiment that's been conducted on almost the whole of humanity. They treated us like lab rats. We were, our job from the middle of March onward was to behave as just parts in a machine like part of a computer model. So we're left now with this tremendous carnage. I had, for a very long time, been convinced

that we were living in an age of endless and infinite progress in peace. Instead, we are living in times of growing barbarism. When you shut down an entire economy, that's usually a bad idea. And it's not usually associated with being more prosperous, than you've ever been. The price increases we've experienced over the last two years, we're stuck with. And not only are we stuck with the existing price levels,

but it's getting worse right now. Jeffrey, I want to ask you, will cryptocurrency outlive the Federal Reserve? We've got better money now than the Fed is producing, and I think we need to recognize that reality. It is a reality, nothing's going to change that. The effects of the lockdowns with the supply chain breakages and the chip shortages and the plate shortages,

and the inflation that we're facing, the debt crisis. This is going to affect everybody. I think one of the most important voices in journalism, one that I look up to and we use materials from all the time. It's been so accurate and brilliant and honest, something that is almost not existing now in journalism. It's my honor and pleasure to be joined right now by Jeffrey Tucker. It's pleasure.

Thank you. Thanks for coming in. I just want to show the slide I use the most on our show, the time is this one a closer look at the COVID mortality rate. Of course, you published the work of Yeah. So here it was the age breakdown of the problems with the vaccine. And this I think says it all. Age 6069. This is for the COVID vaccine, of course, or for COVID, I mean, fatality rate was 0.501%. It goes down extremely from there. I mean, you get into 0.129%. But I always say below 19. This number right here. 0.003%.

And a lot of the conversations with Robert Kennedy Jr., when they're like, why did you try to stop the EUA? He says for six-year-olds, it was for six-year-olds. I did not think that this vaccine, they had never tested on six-year-olds, and we knew the death rate is essentially zero. So just to start the conversation there, I mean, why do you do this work-wise? It's been important to it. Now, this chart that you've just presented here is still.

a shock to people. People do not understand. It's five years now in. We knew this five years ago. We had a clear indication of the case fatality rate, the infection fatality rate, more or less of the fatality rate of COVID from February 2020. So this is one of the great lies that, oh, we didn't know. We had to do crazy things because we didn't know what we were dealing with. We did know what we were dealing with pretty early on. Really early on, we didn't in January. But by late February, we certainly did. And certainly by the time the vaccine came around. Oh, certainly. You know, you had to say, look, there is clearly above 65, and especially if he had comorbidities, maybe that makes sense. But for these children, as Robert Kennedy Jr. said, I think today in the hearing, there was no

death of a healthy child from COVID. No. No. And the fact that he would say that, and that would shock people, is by itself a scandal. Yeah. But there are so many things that are still unknown to the public. still lots of things unknown to me. Why did we engage in this wild upheaval? The churches were closed. The schools were closed. We destroyed the businesses. We had weird agencies we didn't even know existed like Sisa.

It was in charge suddenly of dividing the workers between essential and unessential. We didn't know that we could be classified that way as Americans. We didn't know. You know, there's a funny... Just short of calling some of them useless eaters. You're a useless eater. You know, how? into this train car here.

It's the strangest thing. It's like crazy people just took over the world. And we'd like to know why. And I think what we saw in the hearings today reflected the reality that we have not yet had a serious national reckoning with what's happened to us over the last five years. We're still very traumatized by this experience. And this is the backdrop that was not really acknowledged in the hearings. Yeah.

The vast numbers of Americans are very confused. about what happened to our country. Why did we throw away 500 years of rights and liberties and expectations? Why did the Bill of Rights just suddenly vanish for us overnight? You know, why did we engage in this strange ritualistic hiding from an infectious disease for so long and then have the antidote presented to us universalized even for the people who were not vulnerable to any kind of medically significant effects from infection. Why do we conflate cases and exposure?

Right. Why do we do all this stuff? And then distribute a product that was, at best, wildly exaggerated in its effectiveness. And everything was put into this. This will cure you. This will fix us. This will get us out of the pandemic. We get one shot, two shots, three shots, five, so on it went.

And then after a while, it became. obvious to people that this was not just, it wasn't helping, it wasn't fixing the problem, and it was actually creating a lot of damage. So the credibility, you think about it, you know that, but the everything, the credibility of the whole what we call the establishment was resting on the workability of these injections. Yes. The media, big tech, public health, government, everything, academia, you know, everything you think of as the commanding heights of society, The credibility of all those things rested on the workability of this one innovative, untested product. The centers were shouted down.

They were canceled. They were fired. Our communities were shattered. Our businesses destroyed. I mean, even before the vaccine arrived. No. I mean, when you saw people out there, Fauci, all of them celebrating a vaccine that was just barely getting into phase three trial coming out and saying, we love what we're seeing. I'm like, why is a regulatory agency?

have pom-poms out, excited about a product that they're promising who's going on the market before it's even gotten through its phase three, you know, efficacy trial, safety trial, like what, what are we talking about? What are we talking about? And then the incantation that we all had to say that it was safe and effective. Right. So I was mentioning to you. I was mentioning to earlier at some point.

And by the way, I got into this whole thing because I was so outraged by the lockdowns. Yeah. I had been writing about pandemic planning since 2000. Okay, I was going to ask you when you got into the social news. Well, I got into it with the initial George W. Bush scheme about how to deal with the bird flu. He gave a press conference in 2005 and he said, don't worry, we're going to shut your business, as your schools, we're going to close everything. The government's going to deliver your groceries.

You just hide and everything's going to be fine. And I remember watching that press conference. It was an alternative CDC plan that they passed and thinking, this guy is out of his mind. Where did this crazy theory come from? come from. And I began to write about it. I said, if they ever attempt anything like this, the government will never be the same, will never be the same. You will destroy society and you will destroy science. And I wrote that article in 2005. Well, I had to wait 15 years for it to become a reality. But when I saw it all unfold, I thought, the crazy people have taken over.

And so I wrote my first article in January 27th, 2020. I said, do you know, I'm not saying they're going to do this, but people should know that there are some crazy people who believe that it's possible to shut down the social, the whole social functioning to protect you from a respiratory virus. Just letting you know. And I remember getting calls from people that had me on radio shows at the time because this sounds like an alarmist prediction, you know, why would you say somebody like that? And I had to assure people they were saying, are you saying that they're going to throw away the bill of rights and throw us all in our homes and lock us on our homes and quarantine

the whole property? I said, look, I'm not saying. they're going to do that. I'm just saying that there are some crazy people who think that you can solve an infectious disease problem this way. Right. And I said, I'm not, look, I'm just saying we need to address the problem that some people believe this is possible.

Not predicting that, but just like it's weird. Yeah. But sure enough, that's exactly what happened. Yeah. And it was about two weeks into the lockdowns that I, my phone, and I was screaming about this, you know, from March 8th when they shut down South by. Southwest. And then from March 12th, when the travel restrictions came in, March 13th is when the

National Emergency was declared on March 16th. That's when they ordered all the bars and restaurants and public spaces closed from the CDC and a tiny footnote on a PDF. I have to say, I haven't really like walk through this that much detail. It's so bad. And just like, oh, I can't. I mean, it was so crazy at dark times. And I didn't know what was.

was happening to roll. March 16th was that press conference where Trump got up and said, he seemed to be a little ambiguous about the launchons. He wasn't sure. He just, look, we're all going to unite as a nation to defeat coronavirus. And then, and then Berks gets up in the end, a reporter asks her, are you saying that all bars and restaurants need to close? And she, she kind of didn't really answer the question. Fouchi shoved her off stage and then reads her the footnote and tiny print on page two of the PDF that says all best bars and restaurants and all places where people gather, meaning weddings and funerals and, you know, everything else, church services need to close, okay?

Then he sits down and eyes her, she winks at him, they smile together like their co-conspirators. Trump, meanwhile, somebody had distracted him in the audience, he was waving at them, and almost like he didn't hear what Fetchie said. Yeah. So it was a weird time, and about two weeks later, I get this phone call, and I was screaming about it. I'm sure you were, too. We all were, but we didn't know each other back in those days. And so my phone rings.

And the guy in the other end of the phone was introduced himself as Raji Vankaya. Now, I knew Raji Vankaya because he was the bioweapons defense guy working at the White House under George Dabee Bush, who originally came up with the idea of lockdowns. And who was now working for a vaccine company. I should have put two and two together, Dale. I didn't. And he's on the phone. He says, you know, Jeffrey, your articles, you really need to stop writing this stuff.

Wow. You really need to shut up about the lockdowns. I said, but weird things are happening. I mean, the hometowns are being destroyed. The business has been closed. People walking around like the dress like medieval flagellents. This is insane. You're destroying everything.

Why would you do this? And he said, look, you just need to have to, you just, you just, you. need to trust us. We know what we're doing. And I said, well, look, I have one question for you. Just one question. Just answer my question. First of all, I'm not going to shut up. It is free country. I have free speech and so on. At least I thought it was. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize how effective. Well, you were using it while it lasted. Yeah. And so I said, look, I just have one question for you. And it's a simple question. Where does the virus go? We all hide from it. Yeah. We give our press conferences. The media is against it.

Fauci goes back to the planet it came from, hops on a spaceship. It jumps into a big hole in the ground or hide. So, oh, I didn't know they were going to do that. I realized the CDC was coming after me. I better get out of here. It's on a spaceship or something. And he said, but listen, listen, that's a smart question. Smart question.

He said, but here's what we're going to do. We're going to drive the R-Not down below one. And that will eventually make it fell to zero. And said, Reggie, you have confused. You're not a stupid man. you've confused cause and effect. That's like saying, I'm going to stop the rain by taking there on my umbrella. That is a dumb thing you just said.

Yeah. That's a measure of reality. It's not a causal agent causing reality to conform. That's crazy. He goes, okay, well, good point, good point. But actually, if the truth be told, just between you and me, we're going to have a vaccine. This was two weeks into lockdowns. So I said, I laughed.

I said, you're wretchy. You're not going to have a vaccine. First of all, there's never been a vaccine. First of all, we don't need. Right, for the respiratory. Things can mutate too quick. This is not a virus against which you can vaccinate. And if you somehow magically have some wonderful technology,

it'll do. So, but take 10, 15 years to test and make sure it's safe and effective. And are you telling me we're going to stay locked down for 10, 15 years? Oh, my God. And he said, you know, it's not going to take that. long. Yeah. And I said, and there's this long pause.

And I said, oh, well, thanks, thanks very much, tragedy. And you know, Dale, here's what I thought, because I'm naive. I thought he was a crazy person. I thought he was a has-been, some pundit, you know, hanging out of some vaccine company, had no idea what he was talking about. And he was just saying crazy things and nothing better to do a Wednesday afternoon than call me.

Hung a phone and dismissed it. Wow. And it took me two years. to realize he told me the whole scheme right there on the phone. The inventor of pandemic planning who had been hanging around these ruling class circles for the previous 15 years had just told me the whole plan. And I just dismissed it because I didn't make the connection. I didn't realize what they were doing was locking down until they could distribute this product.

I didn't know that was the scheme. And it took me a long time to figure it out. Well, once it kicked in, you did amazing work. of course, the Great Barrington Declaration is something, what was your participation like? Because it was so important. Yeah. I was celebrating it almost every week in the show

because these were the best scientists in the world. The top ones, Martin Koldorf, Sinatra, Gupta, J. Badacharya. Yeah. How'd that come about? Well, this, you know, this came about quite late, you know, because we locked down in March, and a lot of us at the time thought, but surely these lockdowns are going to end in a week.

And then they got extended, you know, over a month. month and then we had the summer of, I don't know what, where we didn't have to lock down anymore, provided we were out for the right reasons. And so the world was just getting crazy. Yeah. And I had kind of lost my normal network of friends because in those days, and you've probably been there, but I was part of a community of thinkers, intellectuals, and said, but they were all gone, they had all gone silent.

So I didn't, I didn't really know anybody who was making sense in those days. and I noticed this one Harvard professor named Martin Kulorf who had been writing on LinkedIn some good things and I just happened to send him a text. I said, it must be a lonely life for you. Yeah. And he said, you know, it is kind of lonely. And I said, well, why don't we hang out?

So we got together. And, of course, we just talked about nothing, but... The insanity. Yeah, the insanity. And then he called me up a week later. He said, you know, I think we should... Oh, I'm glad you're asking this question because I've always wanted to tell Australia I don't think of our half.

He said, do you know what the real problem here is? The media has these reporters who don't understand epidemiology. Yeah. If only we could explain epidemiology to them, right? Then we could get things fixed. He said, how about a little educational conference where I bring in the top epidemiologists and we just hold a kind of tutorial for the top virus reporters, the top reporters on COVID in this country.

And we can help them understand. And I thought, well, that's a good idea. Yeah. So I said, when do you want to do this? He said, well, next week. Okay. That was tough. You know, we were all like that.

We were running out of time. Life was getting uglier and uglier. So I, and so it was up to me, you know, to rally the reporters. So I sent out emails to the New York Times and the Atlantic and the medical journal and the Wall Street Journal. I was really excited. I thought, hey, I get to host a great conference

where we get to educate journalists. Well, I sent out, I'm going to say 45 emails to all these people. Great news. Three of the world's top epidemiologists are going to be in one place where you can actually learn. This is your beat. You should learn from the best. This is your chance.

I got no answers. Got one person answered me. And I was in a bit of a pickle because we were holding an episode. with no participants. Yeah. So I just dug around and found a couple of friends. We had, you know, David Swig from the Atlantic came and John Tamney from Real Clear Markets came.

I definitely would have invited you. I mean, we didn't know, right? Our networks were not put together, which is another subject. Now we have a brilliant global network. I think the Maha movement, all that, there's been more of us in communication. Biggest change ever. You said it last night very, very well. there are these moments in history where things shift and we're in that.

But back in those days, we didn't know. So it was a very small event, and they talked about epidemiology for a good part of the day, and I filmed it. But at the end of that, they were frustrated that that's all it was. And so they said, we wanted to make a statement, and they said, we'll make an open letter to public health. And I said, well, that's kind of boring. This is called a declaration. What declaration should be? He said, well, we're in the town of Great Barintin.

let's call it that night was worried, obviously, because while there was a great barrington bakery and a great barrington clotheers and some other institutions by that name, there was not a great barrington declaration. Yeah.

And I figured there was going to be a problem, and it was. It was for me, personally, I must say. But we went ahead. And I knew my life would fly into a people after that. They wrote about 750 words. and our webmaster, who now works with me,

his name is Lou Eastman, he works at Brownstone, skipped a night's sleep. Bought the domain, skipped a night's sleep, put up the website, and we invited signatures in at that. The last little meeting, it was interesting because Jay Batacharya said, they had signed it. I remember sitting back there going, it's really nice you signed a piece of paper,

but what do we do? now. Yeah. And Jay said, here's an idea. Why don't we put up a website and invite signatures? And I said, lose that possible? And he said, yeah, I think we can work on that. Yeah. This is about 6 p.m. all right? And we were opening, we suddenly faced a demand open the website to next morning. Yeah. Who builds a website overnight? But anyway, especially one like that. One is going to get in this much trouble too. Good moment and bad moment. But then Jay said, wow. this is really exciting.

And again, these guys are intellectuals. They've never been in the public spotlight. They've had their heads and books their entire lives. They're not activists, really. I wasn't either. And Jay said, wow, if we have a website and we invite people to sign it, we'll have a million people sign it. And I remember standing there, and I said to him, I said, Jay,

if a million people sign this, we're going to have other problems. And he said, like what? Those are exciting days. But anyway, it was kind of, I would agree with you, it was an important moment. It was a very important moment. I will forever, I just have mad respect for you. I think it is a historical document.

I think that, you know, we have a lot of work to do because, as they say, you know, history is written by the victors. I think what we've been watched in these last two days, is that question, are we going to be victorious? Is truth, transparency actually going to win out? I think, you know, whatever you say about President Trump, he's certainly, you know, at least in this space, is efforting to, you know, correct maybe some of the things that he was involved with. He has said he got bulldozed a bit by his bureaucracy in his last stint at president.

But let's get into it. Today, you know, as we look at this, first of all, I don't think Robert Kennedy Jr. is sitting in the chair that he started, sat in yesterday, you know, being grilled to be HHS secretary without COVID. I mean, I think that that pandemic did something, like woke people up in America. That first of all, this question is, wait, what is a conspiracy theorist? And who was getting it right? And why were the people that were telling me, don't listen to those people, the ones that ended up getting. most of this wrong. So I think these hearings really start with COVID. I think you're right about that, Del. And would you agree that it wasn't overtly talked about that much? Like, I don't remember

in the hearings or just during the hearings? So they didn't talk really about the lockdowns and COVID response to failure, the shots, not really. No. But that was kind of the real subject. Well, what, because it's interesting, right? Because in this, in this issue of the COVID lockdowns, everyone on both sides of the panel were locked it it with it, right? It's the one place they can't be divided

and yell at each other. They would only be all of them and Bobby. And I think clearly now that the chips were all on the table, he actually got this more right than anyone on that panel did.

So I think they were all avoiding that topic. But I want to jump into, I mean, we could pick so many different clips. But I just thought some interesting ones because it really has to do with the ability

to research, the ability to tell the truth or, you know, figure out what's going on. One of them, and probably the most told story over these last two days, was around measles and Samoa, the Samoa outbreak. So let's look at this clip, and I want to, I'll lay into some of the science that, or the truth that we know about and then have a discussion about us. So take a look at this. Just look at what happened when Mr. Kennedy inserted himself into an anti-vaccination crisis in the island nation of Samoa.

He traveled there himself to push his views and pour fuel on the fire of a measles outbreak that began due to low vaccination rates. In the end, 83 Samoans died, mostly kids, from a disease that is easily preventable. Let me explain what happened in Samoa. In Samoa, in 2017, or 2015, there were two kids who died following the MMR vaccine. And the vaccination rates in Samoa dropped precipitously from about 63% to the mid-30s, so they've never been very high. And in 2018, two more kids died following the MMR vaccine, and the government, Samoa,

banned the MMR vaccine. I arrived a year later on vaccination rates were already below any previous level. I went there nothing to do with vaccines. I went there to introduce a medical infamatic system with digitalized records in Samoa and make health delivery much more efficient. I never gave any public statement about vaccines. You cannot find a single Samoan who will say I didn't get a very. vaccine because of Bobby Kennedy. I went in June of 2019. The measles house break started in August.

Oh, clearly I had nothing to do with the measles. Not only that, Senator, not only that, if you let me finish. You have had some time and I'm going to respond. If you let me finish, there are 83 people tied. When the tissue samples were sent to New Zealand, most of those people did not have measles. We don't know what was killing them. The same outbreak occurred in Tonga and Fiji, and no extra people died. There were seven measles outbreaks in the 13 years prior to my arrival. Well, it was amazing about this exchange. First of all, that was Ron Wyden.

He was the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee. This was the first time it was brought up, but it was like three times yesterday. I think four or five times was brought up today. So by today, they should have seen and known what I'm about to say, which is what Robert Kennedy Jr. was right. Let me just very quickly go through this. In July 10, 2018, Samoa pulls MMR vaccine after two babies died. This is the government itself there in Samoa.

It was because Samoa nurses jail. This is the next headline. Deaths of two babies who were given incorrectly mixed vaccines. That story goes on to say she mixed the vaccine powder with an expired anesthetic. The court was told and was sentenced to five years and six months in jail. So it was a bad batch. It was incorrectly mixed, but the head of the country, you know, of the island basically said, you know, we're stopping this vaccine. Something's wrong. Vaccines plummet, especially the MMR vaccine plummets. That's 2018. We have, I think, the president himself of Samoa, Prime Minister, put out this statement about how he was worried because his own grandson had been injured. So he was putting out the things that, like, babies are dying.

I've had children injured in grandchildren. I'm worried about this. And so, yes, the measles vaccine plummets. He wrote in that, as a grandfather and father, I can relate to the grief by the families for their loss. I also almost lost one of my grandson several years ago under similar circumstances. But with the grace of our father in heaven, my grandson survived with the proper treatment, but he will never be the same as he has lost the ability to speak. And then, of course, so if you're going to put this on anyone's head, it would be, you know, the prime minister of Samoa.

I mean, and look, he's not a doctor or a scientist. He's expressing he's trying to protect his people. All of that happens. And, you know, Bobby Kennedy doesn't go to Samoa until 2019. We have that headline. John F. Kennedy's nephew joins Samoa's independent celebration on June 1st, 2019. So as he said, a year later, I'm there. This country isn't vaccinating, not because I made any statement at all. I'm coming to celebrate with them a year after you've all stopped taking this vaccine. Your vaccine rates have plummeted. And then, of course, the headline ends up being after that by October. So a few months later, Samoa declares measles epidemic.

And they are saying Robert Kennedy Jr. Cause the measles epidemic. I mean, this is, this is. It's the last minute's trust. I mean, talk about conspiracy theories. That is a conspiracy theory. You're taking these random events and saying, we found. the culprit, a guy, by the way, if he showed up at that time, five months, what do you do?

You erase immunity, like erase the vaccination program. I mean, it just, it defies, there's no reason to whatever. And I always think, what do they say, never let the fact get in the way of a great story. Well, I don't know how you've covered this whole thing, but somebody sent me in an article refuting this line against RFK and the Samoan measles thing. I almost didn't take it seriously because I thought anybody who believes this nonsense, It's just so silly. Why should I even have to address it?

But we did end up publishing about it just because. But this is how desperate they are. And how do they feel like, are they just so sure mainstream news is not going to call them out on this? Is that, I mean, how do they feel like they're going to get away with it? I feel like watching the last couple of days are a lot of people that are opposed to RFK who just can't read the room. They don't understand where we are in this country with chronic disease. But also the loss of trust. that so many Americans just don't believe what they're saying anymore and they're continuing to pretend as if whatever they say, everybody's going to kind of go along, as if nothing's changed over the last five years.

It's very strange. We're living in paradigmatic change, really. And there's a kind of a legacy of people in Washington who just don't want to face it. They don't want to acknowledge it. And it's taking so long. And they don't have the clip. I think Pierce Morgan, the same. week finally came out and said, I censored people. I'm sorry. Like, basically got down his knees and saying, you know, I think he's just promoting a new show. It was a great way to, like, get some attention. But, I mean, why is it taking so long? Where is mainstream media? Where is the anger and outrage that we did your bidding? We worked with the government. We were told to see how everywhere you all told us that it was the best information. And now we're walking around with our pants around our ankles. And we don't know whether, you know, I mean, why is there

outrage from mainstream media? And the other thing is, you know, the, you know, the, you know, My friends have been litigating this issue of censorship now for years, very expensive, millions of dollars on lawyers' fees and discoveries and time in the courtroom and research and writing. And I have my own censorship working group. We have now tens of thousands of pages from court discovery. We've been here or there and the other thing. And then Zuckerberg just comes out, you know, just a couple weeks ago or whatever and says,

all right, this is what happens. Says what we all knew. Yeah, we knew it. But also what we've used years of court. discovery to discover, you know, to find at so much expense, and he could have just said this. I know. Years ago. That's more effective.

I want to deal with probably one of the biggest conversations I hear all the time. And it really, it's around measles. Senator Wyden came back around to just say this. I want to address it. My third question to you is you made almost $5 million from book deals, mostly promoting junk science. In 2021, in a book called the measles book, you wrote that parents had been, quote, misled into believing that measles is a deadly disease and that measles vaccines are necessary safe and effective. The reality is measles are in fact deadly and highly contagious, something that you should have learned after your lives contributed to the deaths of 83 people, most of them children in a measles outbreak in Samoa. So my question here is, Mr. Kennedy, is measles deadly?

yes or no? The death rate from measles historically in this country in 1963, the year before the introduction to the vaccine, was one in 10,000. I mean, this is something that I address this when you can't go to a stat, which is, that is the difficulty of any of these conversations. And I was Robert Kennedy-June's directory communications. I said there's certain arguments, if I can't pull up a chart, if I can't show you the CDCs on websites and stuff, then it becomes, you.

He said, she said, and we're going to get in this argument, and you're just going to say, you know, you believe that. But one of the ways I deal with this when reporters come to me, and they'll accuse me of the same thing. You say that measles was a, you know, benign childhood illness, and it's deadly. And I always say to them, how are you asking me this question? How are you able to ask me this question? Like, what do you mean? I said, well, you're standing here.

We will agree that measles is one of the most infectious disease on the planet. If you didn't catch it, and before we had a vaccine, everyone would sweep through and You know, get all villages and cities or whatever counties, islands, if it had been a long time since they had reached herd immunity. So if it's deadly, we know everyone caught it. How are you here? Because your grandparents definitely had the measles, so they didn't die. And all the billions of people around us, their grandparents all had it. They didn't die.

I want to bring up the stats just to show that Bobby Kennedy's right. This is from the vital statistics rates in the United States. This is what he's referring to, 1940 to 1960. In it, you can open up, you can look it up. But it does stay in there. One in 10,000 died that caught the measles of 500 out of the entire United States every year, you know, the three to four million cases. And just to be clear, before the vaccine, this is the graph that's been shown many times. This is what happened with measles.

It did start out. It used to be deadly. Probably had a lot of issues with squalor and how we were living. But by the time 1960 comes along, this thing is almost all but become a big. benign illness and then suddenly the vaccine arrives. I want to play a video because I think sometimes art, we're artists, we're writers. Art determines really the historical reference, maybe more than anything else does. The artists are always expressing the world they live in. This is a dramatic, really powerful art piece that I think we have to reference because I know that Senator Wyden was

alive when this particular piece is made. Where is that from? Do we know? We'll see. Okay. Hi. Peter. What are you doing all from school? They sent me home. Measles. See, their measles are a strange case of red freckles. You have got a temperature.

They told me. 101.1. What's the record? Never mind. That's one record. You don't want to break. Right. You don't get to hold the title very long.

I think you better go upstairs and get into bed. I'll phone the doctor and be right out. Measles. Let's hope all the others don't start coming down with it. Oh, that would be terrible. Right. As the warrant in the state prison once said, I sure would hate to see them all break out at once.

Are you sure it's the measles? Well, he certainly got all the symptoms. A slight temperature, a lot of dots, and a great big smile. A great big smile. No school for a few days. Measles. Golly, mothers are supposed to know everything. But do you have to keep proving it?

You've got a temperature, too. What do you mean, too? Peter was sent home from school a little while ago. Oh, what was his temperature? 101.1. Oh, is that all? I'm 100. 1.2. Oh, Greg, you on my railroad. I'll be a sport. You can ride on it free. Thanks a lot. It's

your turn, Peter. I need two more hands. Six. Oh, missed it. Boy, this is the life, isn't it? Yeah. If you have to get sick, you sure can't beat the measles. That's right. No medicine. Inside or out. Like shots, I mean, don't even mention shots. Yes. I mean, it's so funny, yeah. You know, I don't know what your childhood experience was, but I think maybe we, I took the measles vaccine. I don't recall measles, but I do recall chickenpox. Yeah.

And I had, and, of course, a chickenpox party, right? Yeah. And my parents was thrilled for me, and it's confusing as a child, you know. Just why didn't you do this to me? Well, you're miserable, and you look funny, and your parents are happy. Yeah. And then you realize that they had deliberately exposed to you because a child in the classroom got it. And so, of course, my parents dragged me to the party and so on.

This was not a radical. This was what the bourgeoisie did. Right. Yeah. And it was a learning opportunity for me, you know, that exposure leads to an upgrade of the immune system. Right. That's a very important lesson that was being taught in public health in those days. That your immune systems were robust, but they needed.

to be trained through exposure. And I had, I had, and then of course later, later of course, we had the vaccine come along for the chickenpox, which I remember feeling a sense of sadness. Just leave aside all questions of this effectiveness and it's mixed with all the other vaccines and everything. But it was a tremendous learning moment from me and for all my generation that we learned this counterintuitive thing that it actually. Exposure to the small amount of the pathogen.

It trains the body to be stronger so that you can stay healthy throughout your life. Yeah. And so now that lesson is going to be denied to people. Yeah. And I had a very famous epidemiologist in the middle of this COVID thing come to me and say, how come people don't know about natural immunity anymore? How come it seems to be this lost knowledge in the population? Yeah.

What happened? Do you think it was because? the chickenpox vaccine finally came along and robbed everybody that experience. Of course, it doesn't change reality of science. It is exposure. Yeah. That transimmune system. But now we didn't have this very vivid learning opportunity when we're young.

And I don't really have the answer to that. Well, I mean, you know, and I only play this clip, not because, look, it's a free country. And everyone, you know, that wants to get the measles vaccine, and I certainly don't mean to be speaking for Robert Kennedy Jr. right now. What I'm pointing to, though, is this alarmist, this energy has clearly changed. Wyden, who was alive, he grew up with that. I mean, I don't know what. He was probably maybe a little bit older than I am, so maybe he was 15 or, you know, so I don't know when that piece was out, and it re-ran for years and years.

But how is it? Do you think that especially that generation, did he forget it? It used to be a Brady's Bunch episode. So did he forget that everyone like himself and everyone caught it and did just fine? Have they somehow just told themselves a mantra? Or did they know they're creating a synthetic fear, if you will? You know, I, and this fear, of course, applies in the case of COVID. It was one of the great mysteries to me that when this respiratory virus came along.

And there was a fear that it leaked from a lab. And it was particularly virulent, depending on your immune profile. I mean, I had a terrible case of it, you know, but then you shake it off with the right therapeutics, by the way, which we couldn't get another subject. Yeah. But there was an ethos in the early days before the vaccine came along that said, that said, whatever you do, don't get COVID. It's the worst thing you could do. And the people who did get COVID, it was considered to be like a mark of like a stain, like a sin. And Dell, you probably recall this.

The tech companies invented apps that you were supposed to. to download so that if you went and got your test as you should. Yeah. And you were marked as positive. Then your app would mark you as positive. And then other people who had the app, if they came in your presence, their phone would ding and warn. It was a digital leper bow. Yeah.

Do you remember this? I do. It was crazy. It just actually happened. We're going to live in a world where we're all being tracked, how close. I mean, even apps built to just see, we found out later. was studying how close we're coming together, how many people were breaking the social distancing rule, didn't matter whether we were contagious or not, just how close, if you kissed,

oh my God, you know, some alarm was ringing in some center deep in the CIA or FBI. I don't know. It was crazy. It was crazy. And then we started, then there was a rule. And again, everybody forgets this, but this is reality that you couldn't go between states without quarantining on either side by it for two weeks. Do you remember this?

And if you came from New York into Massachusetts, you would get a phone call from the sheriff in New York that said, we now know that you're in Massachusetts. You better stay there for two weeks. And when you come back, you have to stay for two weeks. And like severe warnings, there are recordings, but it was scary. It was enforced by the police in many places. And dentistry are basically vanished for a large part of the country.

For a while, I thought maybe I had a, I needed a root canal, and I called my mother up in Texas, and I said, mom, I can't seem to get a dentist here in Massachusetts. So maybe I'll just go to my dentist in Texas. And she said, well, let me call. So she calls up to the dentist. And I said, well, you know, they say that you can't have any dentistry here unless you've quarantined in Texas for two weeks. And I said, well, Mom, here's a thought. There's a thought. You just tell the dentist that I've been there for two weeks. And she said to me, and it's my mother, my beloved mother, she goes, son, are you asking me to lie for you? Oh, no, no, mom. I would never do that.

Forget I asked. Fortunately, I didn't need the procedure anyway. But it was a little bit strange that suddenly that we had no dentistry for the first time since, you know, in hundreds of years. And as we said, and as in that graph that you put out, the Brownsman said the death rate was so. But why did we think that we could avoid the infectious disease? And it was a mystery for me for a large part of 2020. And actually until 2021, too. And why do we think that we could avoid infectious disease by hiding under our sofa?

And the New York Times were running articles like, well, listen. type in your zip code into this blank and they will tell you what you should do. So you type in your zip code and it would say, oh, well, in your neighborhood, there is community spread. So stay home and get your groceries delivered. Yeah. And remember washing down our groceries. Oh, yeah, yeah. But the strange thing to me was get your groceries delivered by whom?

I mean, clearly not readers of the New York Times. Right? Right? So you had this weird class thing. It's like we will stay clean while very delivering its groceries. Right. They'll take all the risks. You know, and this went on and we wondered why the craziness, and of course now we know, looking back.

It was all to wait for the great shot. So everything was contingent upon the shot working. The whole, again, the whole credibility of every aspect of technology companies, of media, of government, of public health, every agency in the world, not just in the United States, but all over the planet, rested on this one great innovation. We're going to shove this into your arm and you're going to get better. And we're going to, we're going to vanquish this disease. And then it came out, and you knew this.

And I kind of, you knew it better than I do, but I intuited that this wasn't going to work. Yeah. You knew for sure. I knew it a look. I mean, we had been, we were so specifically, all of our research had been on vaccines, all the vaccines. I knew how they did trials. I knew how the FDA treated.

I knew how they would skip placebo trials and get out of it. So I said this EUA is going to say everything. And sure enough, buried right from the EUA. This is your world. And it wasn't my world. So I didn't really understand, just put frankly, what kind of racket was being generated here. I thought this was a mistake by pretentious people who really had believed a lie. and that they were shoving it down our throats for purposes of power and profit.

But I never could have imagined the extent of the depth of the malice and the depths of the corruption that was going on. So it's been a revelation, I think, for all of us. And then when the therapeutics disappeared, you know, there was, and for a lot of us, it is personal, right? What happened to our families, what happened to our towns, what happened in our own lives. Yeah. But when COVID finally got me, and just to be quite frank, I was never afraid of COVID. So, you know, I'd look for super spreader events early on. I couldn't find one. I'll be quiet. We call that just party. Call it what it is.

I couldn't find anybody. In my community, there are flying drones over looking for houses with cars parked that in front and reporting them to the health authorities. But when I finally got COVID, I remember getting a call from. My doctor was actually Pierre Coria. I called him up. Oh, great. And he said, well, you know, it seems like you need some, you know, there's iburemectin and, you know, zinc and, you know, vitamin D and that sort of thing. And he said, what's your pharmacy?

And I mentioned two very mainstream pharmacies. And he laughed on the other. I just, I just, Dell, so you understand that I'm, I, even though I've been writing about this stuff for now 20 years, I'm still kind of naive, right? So he said, those two pharmacies will not fill this prescription. I said, what do you mean? You're a doctor. These are normal medications. Yeah.

He said, no, they won't do it. He said, I think his words were something like they're part of the system. And I said something like, what system? What are you talking about? But sure enough, I'd try it. And I couldn't, I couldn't get the, I couldn't get a normal medication. I actually think that if you were going to have a trial or if you will or or leave. the investigation is to Fauci and all of them.

I don't think you can have people like, oh, the vaccine didn't work. They lied to us. They should go to jail. I don't think you can really blame them for trying to rush something on the market very quickly. Yeah, yeah. Taking medication. Everything else off the market, which Trump never did, by the way. And I want to say this too, because I know a lot of people that are, you know, in this movement,

if you will, medical freedom to get upset because Robert Kennedy Jr. said, I applaud, you know, Warp Speed. What we forget is Warp Speed was not just that vaccine. It was an immediate investigation into, you know, drugs, you know, therapeutics and drugs. He was right behind hydroxychloroquine. And he promised us no matter what we find or what we develop, I would never mandate it for you. And I think he's proving that by giving the military back their jobs and saying, good on you for denying the vaccine that, you know, I've celebrated, but you have that right. So a lot of us coming around. I want to get through a couple of things because I know we've got to get you out of here.

But another one of things, this happened while I was director of communications for Robert Kennedy, Jr. This story came out. It has been misrepresented from day one. It was very devastating for us on the campaign. It was hard to deal with. It has come up again during these hearings. And so let me just play this clip because there's so much more that's important in this conversation and it's been destroyed by terrible reporting. We're not talking about the right thing, but here it is. Take it like this. Mr. Kennedy, did you say that COVID-19 was a genetically engineered bioweapon that targets black and white people but spared Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people? I didn't say it was deliberately targeted. I just quoted an NIH-funded an NIH published study. Did you say that it targets black and white people but spared Ashkenazi Jews? I quoted a study, Your Honor. I'll take that an NIA study that showed that certain rays.

I have to move on. I have to move on. This was when this happened, I'll play the video in just a second. It was really, the news went crazy, saying that he somehow believed in this Jewish, deep state, Zionist attempt at world power and takeover. I mean, just went really crazy. But let's look at the hidden video. I guess someone was, he thought he was in a private party. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. I've never said anything I don't believe. I don't think Robert Kennedy Jr. does anyway. But we have these types of dinners that you're about to see where your pontiffia has science is fascinating. And there's so many interesting ways to look at it. I've read this thing. Have you read this thing? You know what I mean?

And so this is one of those moments taken out of context. But here's what the video that got him in a lot of trouble. And we need to talk about bio weapons. I know a lot now about bioweapons because I've been doing a book up for the past two and a half years. and you know what we the technology that we now have all these micro we have we've put hundreds of millions of dollars into ethnically targeted microbes the Chinese have done the same thing in fact COVID-19 there's an argument that it is ethnically targeted COVID-19 attacked certain races disproportionately

The races that are most immune to COVID-19 are because of the structure of the genetic structure, of genetic differentials among different races of the receptors, of the ACE2 receptor. COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and and, and, and, and, and, um, black people the people who are most immune are asking issues and and Chinese and but we don't know that they were deliberately targeted that or not but there are papers out there that show the you know the racial and ethnic differential impact to that we do know that the Chinese are spending hundreds of millions of dollars developing ethnic bio-weapons and we are developing ethnic bio-weapons that's

where all those labs in the Ukraine in are about they're collecting Russian DNA, they're collecting Chinese DNA, know we can target people. This is such an important conversation, and it's one that Robert Kennedy Jr. It didn't just start on this day. These gain of function, this research that's being done all over the world, very scary. It's been outlawed and then overrated, and it's a lot of what is around Tony Fauci, but just very quickly, just so I can show people, there is an NIH study.

It really does exist. He was quoting from it. This is it. It was called New Insights and Genetic Susceptibility of COVID-19 and ACE2 and TMRPR SS2 polymorphism analysis. It goes on to say we found that the distribution of deleterious variance in ACE2 differs among nine populations in genome AD, specifically 39 percent, 54 percent of dilaterious. variance in ACE2 occur in African and African American and non-Finnish European populations respectively. Prevalence of deleterious variance among Latino and mixed Americans,

East Asians, Finnish, and South Asian populations is 2 to 10 percent, while Amish and Ashkenazi Jewish populations do not appear to carry such variance in ACE2 coding regions. This is a very interesting study. What they were looking at, NIH, funded by the government of the United States are some people more susceptible to this virus than others. Really obvious, you know, and curious, you know, thing to look into. Obviously, we are all made differently. We're all affected by viruses differently. Robert Kennedy Jr. is referencing that we're, you know, looked at differently.

But what he's pointing to, and it's so annoying that they want to accuse him of some sort of anti-Semitic or pro-Semitic, I mean, thing, when. What he's saying is this is what science does. They discover, look, these people have a different ACE2 receptor and wouldn't be affected by a virus that did this. Did they create the coronavirus to do that? Doubtful. But, you know, it's something to study. And someone's now recognizing that and starting to use, can we hone in on that?

Can we make a bio weapon that targets specific ethnic groups? I mean, I think the James Bond movie that same year came out and had like that was the villain's idea of doing it. So, you know, it's so detrimental to the conversation when the media misrepresents this, when our own political officials are represented this. And you know what, what shocks me. Of course, we all know that Bobby knows, RFK knows the literature better than any of his critics. Yeah. That's just a given. But I tell you what, I cannot help it go back in my mind to those days in 2020 when the governor of New York and the mayor of New York City all blamed the his. acidic community for the spread of COVID.

Do you remember that? And the New York Times is amplifying this stuff. Right. The Jews are spreading disease. Right. With no sense of historical irony or alarm at what they were doing, having no awareness of the hundreds of years of history, of vicious anti-Semitism where you scapegoat the Jews for the spread of infectious disease. and they were doing it with the blessing of the New York Times above the fold, and it was being broadcast on CNN by the mayor and the governor.

And didn't just blame them, put out a curfew in Rockland County, New York, that basically said if you are stopped in the streets, you have to show that you've gotten your measles vaccine, or you will, you know, be fined, arrested, whatever. In that moment, I will, and this, I got a lot of trouble for this. I was speaking in Austin, Texas. when that decree came out. I couldn't believe what I was reading. We are about, we're going into a Jewish community

and saying, you were locked down, you now have a curfew, you will not be allowed into your synagogues, you will not be allowed into your schools, you will not, and I just thought, this is insane. And so I was about to speak, and I told, you know,

someone were going to me, give me some yellow felt. And I came out and I said, to all of those Jewish people in New York, that never believe you would see a moment like this in the United States of America, where you have been targeted while you are being told you cannot walk in the streets, you cannot go into your synagogue, you cannot practice your own beliefs.

And I ask you, how do you know that they're not vaccinated when they're walking down the street? Maybe they need to wear a symbol. Maybe they need to wear a symbol like this. And I held up a yellow Jewish star and I pinned it to my shirt. And I said, for all of those that are suffering right now in this, I stand with you. I stand in your, you know, right there freedom. Now, they end up saying that I equated the, you know, Holocaust to vaccination. And no, I did not.

I equated to exactly what it was, was quarantine of a people in the United States of America. For infectious disease, right? Unbelievable. It was unbelievable. There's a long history. That's where we get the whole myth of poisoning the well. That's why we have that phrase and so on. I mean, it goes way back and history back to the early Middle Ages.

And here we are, you know, modern people, supposedly smart people, humane people, and scapegoating and demonizing entire communities. and one that has been so, that's to whom that's happened historically in the most vicious ways with catastrophic results. But just the fact that there was no awareness of this, you know, and that the New York Times is amplifying this. And people were saying this with no sense of what they were doing. Yeah. Was completely shocking to me. I agree.

Maybe it was that moment where I realized that everything was upside down. Yeah. It really is. And it's all being driven in many ways by. I think the money and interest, the corporate powers, which is what Robert Kennedy Jr. is up to right now. And he brought that up. Actually, today was one of the last interactions with Bernie Sanders.

Who's really, you know, who's really, you know, on trial here? Where is the corruption really? Take a look at this. Will you assure the American people that you will fight to do what every other major country on earth does guarantee health care to every single American. I'm going to make America healthier than other countries in the world right now. Will you guarantee do what every other major country does?

It's a simple question about it. And by the way, Bernie, the problem of corruption is not just in the federal agencies. It's in Congress, too. Almost all the members of this panel are accepting, including yourself, are accepting millions of dollars from the pharmaceutical industry. Oh, no, no, no, no. And protected their interests. Oh, I thought that that would come.

No, but don't know. I ran for president like you. I got millions and millions of contributions. They did not come from the executives, not one nickel of pack money from the pharmaceutical union. They came to workers. In 2020, in 2020, you were the single largest. Because I had four contributions from workers all over this country.

Workers that's not a nickel from corporate tax. Bernie with a single largest except for pharmaceutical dollars. No, from workers in... 1.5 million. Yeah, out of 200 million. All right, but you have not answered... Last question. You have not answered my question?

How do we make America healthy if you don't guarantee... We're literally three minutes over here. How do you make America healthy when everyone... voting you in is taking pharma dollars. You know, I don't have a perfect profit on this, but that might be the end of Bernie's political career. It's like, for me,

his hologram just began to flicker and fade at that moment, you know? Yeah. He's made it, his, his, his, his whole career has been based and being an anti-corporate populist and similar with that other

another, another, I forget a matter of name, I know her only by Pocahontas. I do. I have the same problem. Every time I'm always working my team. I'm like, Pocahont is like Elizabeth Warren. Elizabeth Warren. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. See, they'll attest to that when you're out of here. They were the top two, and it turns out they're the top two recipients. We have that list, by the way.

Let's bring up that list. Here you can go. Sanders, Vermont, 1.9, Warnock, Raphael, Georgia, 1.7. Warren, 1.2. Wyden, who is the, obviously, looked at 1.2. Bennett, 730,000. The list goes on down. But there it is.

Bernie Sanders at the very, and it is shocking. This is the guy that has been screaming. anti-corporate interests, and yet he's taken more money than anyone. There it is. And welcome to the reality of American life and the truth about the fictions that we've lived in for a very long time. And this is actually the great thing about our times. And it's a great thing about the coming together with Maha and Maga and the upheaval of

our times is that we're starting to see the reality. We can see things for what they are right now. And I'm prepared to do that. It's been a difficult, a difficult, I would say, five years, I think, for all of us. But on the other side of the darkness and the upheaval and the calamities, I think

we're seeing the light, and we're seeing our communities come together, and we're seeing genuine progress. And I'm not sure where you feel emotionally on this, spiritually, but I'm starting to feel hope again for the first time in a very long time. Let's make the last

video, and I'll get on some other things once you leave. But I think Ron Johnson captured, for me, really the most, probably the most important takeaway, certainly from yesterday's event, which was watching, you know, the Republicans, you know, ask good questions, but, you know, supporting saying, obviously, we need change. And everyone, what was so amazing is everyone on the panel sort of admitted, yes, I know we do have the sickest kids we've ever seen. We are spending more. Our system's broken. Everyone admitted that. But there was one group that just

went on attack and there's all of the Democrats. This is what Senator Ron Johnson had to say about that. Thank you for your decades-long advocacy for a clean environment, for children's health. I can't say as I'm surprised by the hostility on the other side. I'm highly disappointed in it. I don't know if you remember when you called me up and you were contemplating setting your political differences aside. joined forces with President Trump on an area of agreement, addressing chronic illness,

trying to find the root cause of all these problems facing this nation. My first response was, Bobby, this is an answer to my prayers. We need to get to the answers of this. But even more, we need to heal and unify this divided nation. I think that, you know, I said it to some of the reporters yesterday. yesterday, watching these two groups just squabble and it appears this thing may go down straight party lines, even after they all admit sickest, as I said, sickest kids recognize the corruption, know something has to be done, thank you for all your statements about food, you're right

about that, you have fought, you know, titles of your career, but abortion or but, you know, some culture war issue that we're always going to disagree on. And for those reasons, we are not going to let you make America healthy again. We have to preserve the status quo. We have to keep everything exactly the way it is. We cannot question fundamentally anything about the current system, no matter how bad it is. You are too disruptive. You're scary. You might look into the, you might discover things we don't want to know, just keep everything just the way it is. That was the message of so many of these people. They're protecting an establishment and protecting an orthodoxy that people just don't accept anymore.

Right. People don't believe in anymore and they're still rallying around it. It's crazy. It really is crazy. And as you point, it would sit there and say, you know, tell me, I want a yes or no answer. Are you going to stick with it the way it's been? I mean, even though I just listed all the, I'm agree with you with all the problems, but are you going to leave it? Or are you going to actually do something to change it? But more importantly, I just sat there looking at both sides and said, when did you guys forget you're all in the same team? You are on the same team. You're arguing about plays that this team. team is going to make, but if we win or lose is dependent on you, this country has lost its way, it is falling apart, our economy's shot, we're sick as hell, we cannot compete, we can't mount a military, and you guys are arguing with each other. Yeah, and we need honesty about what happened. You know, even if that involves. For those of us that got wrong, got it wrong. Yeah, and we need some truth about the COVID years, some truth about the vaccine. I mean, just some blunt telling of truth so that we can heal, you know, as a nation.

I don't want to live in a world where nobody trusts anything or anybody. Right. And RFK said repeatedly his goal is to bring back, you know, do make a contribution to believe so that people can trust again. And I think that's right. And we have to have, we have to have truth. We have to have transparency. We have to have the documents.

We have to have an open discussion. And this stonewalling and this bullying that we say. saw today was like nothing I've ever seen. Am I right that we've never seen a hearing like this before? I think this is one of the most contentious hearings. It is certainly, and probably one of the most watched and viewed lines around the block, hallways packed. I mean, maybe there's been other cabinet hearings that were this intense or had this

much focus, but I'll tell you this, health and human services has never had this much attention and has never had this many people. And it makes sense. And by the way, you know, it's just so brilliant because RFK played a very, very courageous role in the midst of our dark Night of the Soul. I mean, his book, The Real Anthony Fauci came out in early November 2021. And it was the most comprehensive, most cited, most, I mean, it was a brilliant book. I didn't even know he was preparing for it. I didn't know he was preparing it.

You probably knew, but I didn't know. When I held it in my hands, I was just cheering. I was celebrating. Then his speech on Capitol Hill, I thought, we found our leader. We've got the guy. He knows who knows what's what. And the fact that Trump was wise enough to pick him, you know, and after the assassination, for those two to come together and how late in the day was that?

Was that August or something like that? Yeah, right around August. It was a magic moment. It was. Because the people who had been seemingly at odds for decades suddenly realized that they had a common interest in truth, transparency, and freedom and individual rights. And that we had to come together to make this happen. And it was a beautiful moment. And for him, for Trump to pick him for this role, it's essential.

I agree. And healing. It's a healing moment. And I have not seen public opinion polls on this, but I'm feeling that. like he should be a beloved figure. I think he more and more it is. Do you feel good about the hearings? What do you think?

Well, I think he came across looking great, just fantastic. It's about what I expected because he's just such a master of detail. And he knows the science like nobody else. And he has the right humility towards it too. You know, he's looking for the evidence. That's exactly the kind of person we need in that spot. And I just don't think we saw that from his opponents. They're dogmatic.

They were shrill. as shrill and they were insulting a lot of times and I just don't think that flies very well it's not a good way to be I agree I want to thank you for taking the time I'm going to deliver a message to Bill Cassing in a minute but I want to help you get on that train very good thank you so much

pleasure being