The Highwire with Del Bigtree - LESSONS FROM A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

Human rights activist and Holocaust survivor, Vera Sharav, joins Del in studio to talk about her unspeakable childhood in a Romanian concentration camp, and draws comparisons to this incredibly dark time in history to how current day governments worldwide are systematically stripping citizens of rights and freedoms.#VeraSharav #HolocaustRemembranceBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

A lot of what we've been talking about in this show is there's positives, there's negatives, all of these things, though, there is a reflection point. You know, where are we at? How do we understand ourselves but by reflecting on our history? If we forget our history, we are doomed to repeat it. I don't think there's ever been more important words. Yet there's a history now that seems to be protected, one that we were told we were, you know, never supposed to forget, never again, the slogan being.

Yet now if you go near it, it's like a third rail. Well, there's one person that has never been afraid of that third rail. I think she has every right to speak her truth. And can you imagine having overcome your own PTSD, having escaped one of the worst things that ever happened in the world, going back to the home of that and speaking your truth? This is Vera Sharav at Nuremberg last year. I took a look at Nuremberg last year. like this.

I came to Nuremberg to provide historical context to the current global threat confronting our civilization. These past two years and a half have been especially stressful as painful memories were rekindled. In 1941, I was three and a half years old. My family was forced from our home in Romania to Ukraine. We were herded into a concentration camp, essentially left to starve. The Holocaust did not begin in the gas chambers of Auschwitz or Treblinka.

The Holocaust was preceded by nine years of incremental restrictions and personal freedom and the suspension of legal rights, civil rights, and essentially human rights. The stage was set by fear-mongering and hate-mongering propaganda. A series of humiliating discriminatory government edicts demonized Jews as spreaders of disease. We were compared to lice. The real viral disease that infected Nazi Germany was eugenics. Eugenics is the elitist ideology at the root of all genocides. If we are to avert another Holocaust, we must identify ominous current parallels before they poison the fabric of society.

Few people recognize foreboding similarities between current policies and those of the fabric of society. under the Nazi regime. In 1933, the primary target of discrimination were Jews. Today, the target is people who refuse to be injected with experimental, genetically engineered so-called vaccines. Moral significance of the Nurember Code cannot be overstated. The Nurember Code is the most authoritative, internationally recognized document in the history of medical ethics. In 1961, in his farewell address to the nation, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned against the increasing domination of the military industrial complex. We must be alert to the danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific

technological elite. A posse of ruthless, interconnected global billionaires has gained control over national and international policy-setting institutions. They have embarked on implementing a diabolical agenda. Embraced by the most powerful global billionaire technocrats who gather in Davos, big tech, big pharma, the financial oligarchs, academic. government leaders and the military industrial complex. These megalomaniacs have paved the road to another Holocaust. The weapons of mass destruction are genetically engineered, injectable,

bio-weapons, scurating as vaccines. Unless all of us resist, never again is now. Well, tomorrow is International Holocaust Remembrance Day. obviously a very important time in history that we should never forget. And there's very complicated conversations that have been going on about the Holocaust, especially as we've all sort of come through this experience of the pandemic. Around the world, we've gone through it together in a lot of comparisons and people being accused of making incorrect comparisons. So it is really my honor and pleasure to be joined today by Vera Shirab, who's the president and

founder of the Alliance for Human Research Protection. Vera, thank you for joining me. Thank you very much for having me. An incredible speech. We could have just sat and watched the entire thing. But really, the Nuremberg Code, you were in Nuremberg, talking about this is something we're going to get into, sort of your background with this.

But as a Holocaust survivor, why did you go to speak in Nuremberg, last year in August. What was your intention? Well, the reason is that the Nuremberg Code is unique. It was part of a verdict in the doctor's trial, the Nazi doctor's trial at Nuremberg. The judges sought to ensure that such medical atrocities would never happen again. And the way to do that was to lay down a set of international ethical norms that would be mandated for every human being everywhere. International.

It is, it supersedes national codes. Now, what happened was that the medical establishment really didn't want to have such ironclad. ethical standards. And so they really resisted. And what has happened, of course, in the United States, the Nurember Code actually is enveloped within the federal regulations about human research. The Belmont report, which preceded the federal guidelines, which gave reason for doing, them and this by the way this didn't happen until

1972 when the Tuskegee syphilis experiments were exposed to the public. That's when the American public health community realized they have to do something or lose public credibility. Right. So they recommended these ethical standards. However, you see the other ethical standards

can be modified, can be changed, almost at will. And so they have, they have kept on evaporating them slowly, very slowly. But the Nuremberg Code, because it was part of a legal verdict, which was never challenged, it stands like the Ten Commandments, I like to say, because they're ten principles. And the first and foremost is no matter what, the voluntary informed consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. No ifs, no buts, no changes whatsoever. The scientific community didn't like it. However, it's, you know, it's sort of on the books. Yeah. And whenever it's been used by lawyers in U.S. courts, it was accepted. As a matter of fact, Pfizer lost a case,

which was offshore. It wasn't even conducted in the United States. It was for a Toban. It was an experimental antibiotic. And children died in it. And finally, 10, 20 years afterwards, families appealed, you know, they wanted compensation, something. And they finally actually got it. And that was in New York federal court. So the Nuremberg Code can be used in legal arguments. I think lawyers have just been wary. You know, it's not an American law, but it can be used.

And it's been cited by judges. If it's used, it will be enforced. It can be argued, really. So you went to Germany. last year to speak on behalf of the Nuremberg Code in Nuremberg, where, you know, at the center of this is, you know, really the trial of Nazi doctors who were experimenting on innocent people in concentration camps. And I think, hopefully we all know many of the stories around that. Now, what is outrageous is after giving that speech, you have been, you know, handed a criminal citation by, is it the German government or

the local government there? It was a Jewish group, or at least it's not ostensibly a Jewish group, that filed a criminal complaint with the police at Nuremberg. And this was after a newspaper article had accused me, wrote very disparagingly. For example, they left out the fact that I was really a Holocaust survivor. They left out that I was Jewish. They claimed I was very disparagingly. They claimed I was Romanian. And in Germany and Europe, but Germany in particular, Romanian is equated with gypsy. Gypsy is equated with liar, untrustworthy. So it's got a lot of connotation there. It's quite disparaging. What's interesting is that newspaper is housed in the very building where their stormer, which was the most vicious Nazi publication, was housed.

They just took away the insignia from the top. So it's kind of interesting. There are a lot of these things that are cropping up. Right. So from the very house where the damage was done, you're being accused of somehow being insensitive. It's really about being insensitive to the Holocaust, right? Or using it in a...

What is the accusation exactly? Well, I haven't read it per se, but what their law allows them to do is to determine that you are trivializing the Holocaust. Essentially, it was initially, I guess when it was enacted, it was to stop the Holocaust deniers. Right. There are those, you know, really vicious people who just insist the Holocaust never took place. This is all a Jewish conspiracy and on and on and on. Right. So, but that law evidently has been used expansion, you know, exponentially kind of.

And anyone who mentions the Holocaust in relation to any other occurrence is accused of trivializing. the Holocaust. That's ridiculous. And this is not just in Germany. In Germany, it's in law, so in that sense, Germany is unique. But in the United States, too, Jewish institutions, including the Holocaust Museum in Washington, they actually have a statement on their website, that it is completely inappropriate to bring in the Holocaust either with past history, your current history. Well, you know, more than 600 scholars wrote a letter objecting because that means you can't study it, you can't teach it. Essentially, what I am accusing them of, they, by squelching discussion and comparison and recognizing signals, they are making the Holocaust

irrelevant, irrelevant to history, irrelevant to today. Now, why would they? do that. That's a question to ask. It's a really good question. I want to get deeper into that. But first, I want to sort of take, go back a little bit in your background, you know, in New York, you are the president, founder of the Alliance for Human Research Protection. I mean, really, in essence, you started a nonprofit looking at the Nuremberg Code years ago, right? I mean, this has always been a part of your mission is to make sure that, you know, we're protecting people from being you know, research, guinea pigs in a way.

What got you into that so forcefully? I'll tell you, the first thing that got me into particularly to realize that unethical research in medicine was being done in the United States was somebody anonymously sent me an article from the American Journal of Psychiatry. And that article was about 28 veterans, U.S. veterans at the Bronx VA, who had been in the community, living in the community, they had been treated for schizophrenia. Seven of them, according to the doctor's evaluation,

were currently not ill. In other words, they were in remission. They were out of it. They brought them to the hospital, took them off whatever medications they were on or whatever therapies, and they gave them el-dopa. and the purpose of the experiment was to monitor and document how long it would take before they had a schizophrenic relapse.

When I read that, I said, that's Nazi experiments. Plain and simple, that's Nazi experiment. And it was the first complaint that I filed with the Federal Office of Human Research Protection. It took them four years. Yeah. What year was that? When was that taking place? Well, the article, as I remember, was published in 87.

I saw it in 90-something. 94 is when, and of course they validated the complaint, and not only that, they also found that two of the veterans, when they became psychotic, became violent. So now they had that on their real. record. Thank you to the doctors. And the doctors were from Mount Sinai. This was a terrible awakening for me because before I filed the complaint, first of all, I had never really read articles in the journals, you know, scientific journals. And I called two prominent psychiatrists who by then I knew and asked them, am I reading this right? Do I understand what I'm reading? Because and they said yes.

So the purpose, just think about it, was exactly the kind of objective that a lot of the experiments that Mengele did or any of the others. Now, a lot of what brings me into this conversation is I, you know, I made the documentary Vax and I traveled and met so many parents, thousands really across the country and around the world who, you know, they're called anti-Vaxers, but really they were pro-vaxxers. that the technology or the vaccines ended up failing them, hurting their children or hurting themselves. And so that really made them outspoken individuals. Many of them getting involved in politics and things like that, trying to make a difference. Similarly, you had a personal story that really-

I had a son who was, who was mentally ill, so that I had to tackle, and it's really tackle, the mental health system. And that's when I learned, you know, the travesties that go on. And I became, you know, active. At first, I was with an organization, Alliance from Mentally Ill, but a parent organization. But like all advocacy groups in medicine, they wind up really being exploited by government and industry.

It become lobbyists for industry and for government policies. And a great deal of money is spent in the United States on social services and all that. For the elderly, for the ill. But guess what? The vast majority, 90% goes to the providers. It's not for the services that the actual individuals get. And in the mental health field, that's absolutely. prominently so.

And I realized that, you know, my job isn't to make sure that, you know, that the agency gets enough funding. Right. So, you know, slowly I began to realize that this was not really good. I mean, you know, I mean, I learned things by observing. And I, since then, of course, there have been a lot of exposés about various groups. It began actually with the AIDS. During the AIDS time, they were insisting on getting experimental drugs to save their lives. That's fine. Yeah. But that was then used as a door so that now every

group claimed we want ours also fast-tracked. Well, what do you think that does for Pfizer? Right. You're fast-tracked. We're doing you a favor. Month and years, which is required to really test for safety, as well as for efficacy. We're seeing that now. But this is going on, and it was a gradual thing. Can I ask you what your son, because I know it was sort of directly, you know, you had to handle the pharmaceutical industry when it came to your own son? Yep. What was the issue that took place?

No, he had schizophrenia. Uh-huh. He had schizophrenia. It's a very terrible. that just robs a person of their, I mean, he was brilliant. He was, I don't like to visit that, you know, that whole life, but it is because of him that I wound up. And this is very similar to other parents, as you mentioned before.

When you're hit, you kind of open your eyes to things you didn't ever expect. to me. And you realize that your child is just a vehicle for them, and they don't really care. They don't. So were they just testing things on him? No, they did. Well, you could say everything is testing. Look, in psychiatry, that's plain and simple.

There are no cures, period. Okay. Very little, if anything, actually helps the patient. What helps patients often in many of these psychological problems, is understanding, and you can call it talk therapy, communal. It's not chemical, but they're shoving chemical stuff. And what they did, and this began partly during his ordeal, they started to prescribe cocktails of psychotropic drugs.

Now, what does that mean? When you have a cocktail, if something goes wrong, each producer can say, not my drug, it's his. It's a very neat marketing thing, and it protects you from liability this way, because you can't prove which of those, you know, what's in the cocktail has done it. Now, isn't it interesting that that's exactly how vaccines now are done as well? You don't have one product in a vaccine. You've got a whole bunch of things in there.

Adjuvants, all sorts of things. Yeah, and multiple vaccines. given at the same time. I mean, the more you do that, the more difficult, the more problems you're going to have with lots of people who can't tolerate it, but you won't be able to prove which one did it. And so ultimately your son? My son died of, and he died of the drug clausoryl, and New York State Department of Mental Health tried to get the coroner to change the cause of death.

That's how bad it is. Wow. Yeah. So I learned to fight from that whole terrible saga many years, many years. But that's what happened. And these drugs, the anti-psychotic drugs are meant to break the body. Yeah. I mean, the fact that the psychiatrists who prescribe them don't notice a thing, they don't notice the diabetes, they don't notice the blowing up, they don't notice anything.

How is that? Right. I mean, you know, the same issues we're seeing now. Many of the side effects of the drugs being used in COVID are. This is a side effect. Yeah. And these are effects. We have COVID people dying of kidney failure.

It doesn't make any sense. Except that the drug drug does their, yeah. Yeah. We can talk about all the great work that you've done with the Alliance for Human Research Protection, including you fought for children. They were testing HIV drugs on, some of which you found maybe didn't even have HIV, usually lower income groups, things like that. They were blacks and Hispanics, period.

Okay, I want to really inject one thing. One thing I have to say, which is it was so during the Nazis and it's so in psychiatry and it's so in the public health fields, eugenics is driving a lot of this. Money for sure, but it isn't only money. They divide people into worthy and unworthy. The Nazis actually call them worthless eaters. This is the same.

People in that field regard, essentially, their clients as lesser. That's eugenics. that never left. They don't call it eugenics. And now genetics is to blame, right? It's the same thing. The point is that when you diminish some people

and groups of people, you can keep on doing a lot of things that you wouldn't do to your own. Well, earlier in the show, I had the opportunity to speak to Angeloia Dicell, who came onto our show, who started having tremors. And she was on with two other nurse practitioners.

They all had a very strong commitment to working medicine. Just this week, they started attacking her that she was faking it. It's gone viral. Now there's people making fun of her, doing shaking motions, like in putting out videos and things all over the place. And it really reminds me of once we can demoralize someone, without any facts, no proof, no looking at her medical records, no understanding who she is.

And all the stories we've seen of these tremors, you know, over 20,000 reported to the Veris system, which is probably just, you know, a drop in the bucket. When you see that level of inhumanity happening now, what does it make you think? Well, that's exactly why I recognize the parallels. You see, there are some very, very specific, yes, this relegating people that you disagree with, let's say,

as subhuman. Yeah. That you open Auschwitz, absolutely. Well, let's get into that. Let's go, let's take it back then. Just because I know that there's people say, oh, she wasn't really in the Holocaust or, oh, you know what I mean? In the same level, they will accuse you of things.

They will cite you in Germany for a criminal act. What is your background when someone says, Vera is a Holocaust survivor? What does that mean? It means that in 1941, My family and I were evicted from our home in Romania. We were made to wear the Yellow Star. And we were deported to Ukraine, to a concentration camp in Ukraine.

It was winter and we didn't go by train, but rather by a rickety boat. We had to cross a river that Neester. And the boat was almost almost when it possibly capsize, it was very rickety, standing room only. And my father took off his winter coat and threw it into the water. He later died of typhus in the camp, and I attributed it to his having a winter coat. And a little bit I blamed myself because I kept my little. little toy.

He threw his coat and I can't. So I felt I was selfish. The camp that we were at was not a death camp. But death was always in the air. The threat of it was constant. There were lists that would be put up and then you were sent. Some were sent for slave labor and others. There were, people don't realize it, there were more than 4,200 camps over Europe.

And so we were left to starve. This was not a regimented camp. We didn't have the tattooed numbers. But it was death all around. And after my father died, I was really, really terrified that something would happen to my mother because then, you know, I was just, I was constantly living in fear. And my mother got wind of the fact that this was in, oh God, 44, she got wind of the fact that some orphaned children would be rescued.

So she lied and put me on the list. Of orphaned children. of orphan children, and that's how I got out of there. This was already 44. This was when they were soon going to be liquidating all camps that still had Jews in them. I want to mention that the 1C conference, January 1942, was where the top 15 Nazi officials launched the final solution. So again, this, in 2020, I got chills. When Bill Gates said on national TV that the final solution to COVID would be a vaccine.

I know what final solution is. And to make matters even worse, when the interviewer said to him, oh, you know, he laughed. Bill Gates laughed, yes. Yeah. So if you don't see parallels, I mean. Right. So you put out as an orphan, you end up being grouped up, and there's a moment where

you're choosing what boat to go on, right? That I think, I mean, I am always amazed at these miraculous decisions because it truly was a decision that would ultimately define whether you lived or died. Yeah. After I left the camp, I was kind of a child in transit for about 10 months. and the ultimate destination was Palestine. When we finally were headed toward, we had to leave Romania by boat to Istanbul.

And on route, I befriended a family. I always, I have to say, during the 10 months, I had to assess people who could take care of me because I knew I couldn't take care of myself. I was little. By the way, I didn't grow in the camp. I left in the same coat that I went in. I was there three years. So on route, I befriended a family who was also going to Palestine.

And when we got to the harbor, there were three small boats. and they started to call out the names and assign which boat you were going on. And I was assigned to the boat with all the orphaned children. I refuse. I absolutely refuse. And it was, you know, quite a... I can't imagine it today.

They would have probably, you know, given me some ADHD drugs. Right. But somehow, I don't know, everybody went according to their assigned place and I was left alone on the and I cried I was but no matter what they are but I would not go on the boat I only insisted now it wasn't really capricious at all I wanted to be with the family that I knew could take you know I liked them yeah trusted them yeah so finally in the end they did

miraculously they gave in to me and I went on the boat with the family and I used to get very seasick So but I finally fell asleep at night so I didn't witness But at night the first night out at sea a submarine torpedoed the boat with all the children and I found out about it the next morning Everyone was still you know very upset because they they they witness the screaming children. And I realized, you know, that I was right to disobey. And I guess when some kind of a crisis happens, I know that I have to rely on my own

judgment. I don't obey. And no one can take that away. You see, I think that the problem is that so many people don't trust their own judgment, don't trust their own gut feeling. don't trust their instinct. And all those are part of your human makeup. Yeah.

You're not just an intellectual brain. You're not just, you know, that's absurd to limit people's capacity, the importance only to what their IQ is. I mean, that's nonsense. So much more to a human being. And I see that happening now. This is very similar. People are told to obey.

Don't ask questions, obey. Right. That was the Nazi regime. That was the Soviet regime. A lot of regimes are like that. Is that where we all want to go? Why are people obeying? These are illegal edicts anyway.

They're unconstitutional. And they are channeling people into different concentration camps. It won't be, they don't need barbed wire. Digital surveillance, the weapon. and it's been perfected. You know, making this comparison can really, has gotten you into a lot of trouble and just about anyone that has said, you know,

the COVID pandemic or this issue around vaccines is a slippery slope towards, you know, what we saw in Nazi Germany, I think what's important, and I've been attacked on this, and I've even written an article on Substac about the fact that I do believe what we're going through deserves a comparison. But to me, our issue is that we are acting as though Nazi Germany starts with Auschwitz.

The moment they're gassing Jewish people and killing them. But really, it starts long before that, does it not? I mean... It starts way before. Let's remember. And again, this is partly because people don't learn history. Hitler took over in January, 1933. as I said before, the Wanasi conference was

1942. All those years were preparatory years. Right, nine years. And Jews were demonized. But German citizens were also quelched. They were censored. They couldn't make choices either. Right.

Part of the issue really is that when you allow that kind of a reason, regime to take over. Everyone in some manner or other suffers. There's no free ride in that kind of a regime. And it took time. Hitler, each step, each diminishing step that he took, He waited to see what would people say, what would the world say? Right. And they said nothing. And that's when he escalated and escalated.

Until finally in 42, they decided that's it. All Jews in Europe and North Africa were to be exterminated. Right. I mean, it seems to me what is so, you know, never forget, this theme that we grow up with. And, you know, there's... There is Jewish heritage deep on my father's side that we only found about later, so I wasn't raised with that. But I was raised, you know, with my parents really believing that it was important for us

to know these historical moments. My mother's also Native Americans. So, you know, incredible injustices and carnage in that story that I was raised with, all in the state that we are supposed to be better people. We're supposed to be evolving. But this idea of never again, I always thought it was so that we would recognize the very first, you know, moments that things are getting out of place so that we didn't. It's too late.

Once you're on a train car to Auschwitz, it's too late to go, oh, you know what? You know what this reminds me of? I mean, at that point, what good is it, you know? To me, it seems so much smarter to be overly sensitive to it. I mean, to say that you're undermining, you know, the Holocaust by making early comparisons to, hey, look, I'm not allowed in a restaurant right now. There's a group of people that are, I'm not allowed in here. This smacks of something.

Now, you can have whatever medical reasoning you think you have, but shouldn't we at least ask the question? What are we doing here? Where does this lead? Exactly. The point is that the Holocaust should have taught people to have antenna out for any step that takes away your personal freedom and your God-given human rights.

You know, it isn't government that gives us the right to say no. We're given choice. You want to do the right thing or you want to do the selfish thing. That's our choice. And no government should ever be interfering in that. And those who try to keep the lid on discussions about the Holocaust are making it irrelevant. they are committing a crime against the victims. Every victim, Elie Wiesel,

who headed the president's commission on the Holocaust before the museum was even established, he absolutely said the most important thing is the silence and indifference is what caused the Holocaust. It wasn't just a bunch of Nazi psychopaths. No. I want to get into because I think what is shocking is who is really on the attack. I mean, it's sort of you would think, I mean,

you know, Germany, I guess I could understand why they might attack anyone that wants to make some comparison. But I actually got myself prior to COVID, right here in Austin, Texas. In fact, it's one of the reasons I'm living here now. As you know, I was speaking, I've been against many of the issues in the vaccine program, not being properly tested. And I think that the entire vaccine, childhood vaccine program, now that we know there's never been. been through a long-term safety trial, all of these things that my not-profit and others and like yours have been involved in, you recognize this has been an experiment. This is the largest experiment on humanity is this childhood vaccine program. But I was speaking in Austin, Texas.

I was just scheduled to be here. And right at that moment was when there was a measles outbreak in New York, a huge panic made about it. And they actually locked down Rockland County, New York. Literally, I think the day of or the day before I was supposed to speak at the Capitol about something totally, you know, about vaccines, but a different topic. And I was sitting in thinking this edict came down and it was aimed at the Hasidic Jewish community because they were the ones, many of them were not vaccinated, very large community there. And so the government decided we're going to lock you down. We're going to pose a curfew that you can't be out of the streets. If you're caught walking down the street and you're not, if you don't. have the measles vaccine, you would be arrested, you would be cited and fined. And then ultimately,

they were even being banned. They couldn't go to their synagogues. They were not, and we were talking about this is going to be during Passover. So during Passover, this, the city Jewish community was not going to be allowed to practice their religion in their synagogues. And I said, that's it. I have had it. Now, I, you know, I've never just made a comparison that the vaccination program, you know, is the same as the Holocaust. But in this moment, I said, I'm going to, say that today this is an atrocity that we never expect to happen. In fact, I think I have a small clip. I'll just show you what I ended up saying on that Capitol. Can we take a look at this? I say to you, how are we going to know if you're not vaccinated? How are we going to arrest you?

Maybe we'll do it the same way we did the last time. So for you, for all the Hasidic Jews in New York right now that never thought this moment will come, I am saying, I stand with you. I stand with you. You. Now I got in a lot of trouble for saying that. And, you know, newspapers attacked. He's, you know, conflating the issue, comparing it to Nazi dream. But I wasn't saying, and they said, you know, compares vaccinations to the Holocaust. No, no, no, no, no.

I was very clear. I am saying you are locking down the very people that have been through this before in the United States of America. Something is really wrong here. But what shocking was even the Holocaust Memorial came out. against me. Here it was Auschwitz Memorial instrumentalized in the fate of Jews who were persecuted by hateful anti-Semitic ideology and murdered and extermination camps like Auschwitz with poisonous gas in order to argue against vaccination that saves human lives a scent of intellectual moral degeneration. This is very interesting though. First of all, the Hasidic Jews, the same way

during COVID. It is in the Hasidic community that you find most of the resistors. Why? Because They don't consider, you know, civil laws as being above God's laws. And to them not to study the Torah, not to go to synagogue, not to have their children educated, is far more important. They make that tool. And so you have many, many more there who did not get the COVID shot. Right. And, yeah, and they're vilified as well. Look, I often get asked, how could it be the Jews don't recognize they should be?

The point is Jews are no different from anybody else. The more they've sat at universities, the more educated they are, the more conditioned they are to trust authority. This is really part of the education for decades. People are not taught to think independently and to defend their own position. They're taught that the right thing is good for the community. How did we get people, intelligent people, to accept the idea that your child should be protecting grandma? I know.

Vaccinate the children so their grandma. Like children have no risk. We get that they have no risk, you know, really zero percent risk of dying from COVID. But they should get a totally untested vaccine that's never really been tested. And then we don't know what's going to do in order to protect the elderly. Well, one of the very precise parallels is the medical use as becoming weaponized. That was initially what I used to say was set the Holocaust apart from other genocides. It was killing, there was slaughter, there were all sorts of genocides, and we've had a lot of them.

However, never other than during the Holocaust was the medical establishment, the vehicle, They wrote the protocols. They initiated medical murder and it began not even with the Jews. The first medical murder victims were German. They were German infants and young children under the age of three. They were disabled in some way. The disabled were very much a target of Nazi Germany. It expanded into T4, it was called that project, to older children.

The mentally ill were totally decimated, and then the elderly in nursing homes. And there was some pushback about the adults and elderly, so they pretended that they stopped, but it just went underground. gray buses in Germany kept rolling and everybody knew those gray buses were taking people isolating them in order to disappear. They used the T4 program to test methods of killing, including Zichlone B gas. How was it sold to the people? With lies. That's how it's always sold. The parents were told that they, the children would be getting special treatment to improve their health.

And then they was murdered by injections, but also some of the children and babies were put through starvation so that the doctors could document how long it takes a child to die without food. I mean, it's horrific. But you see, and this, they turned six hospitals into killing centers. In March and April of 2020, the governments of Western Europe, Australia, Canada, in about five states in the United States, essentially condemned the elderly medical murder. This was, this was a medical murder.

I mean, you watched it right in New York City. You had Andrew Cuomo who knew he'd been quoted as saying in many ways the elderly are the ones that are vulnerable. This is like a match in a dry grass field. And then he mandates that the nursing homes are going to have to take in elderly that have tested positive for COVID. So it's like what's happening? I mean, there's no accident here. You're not, you know that the most vulnerable are the elderly. you're forcing nursing homes to take these patients.

You're not allowing those elderly to stay in hospitals where you can handle it, but sending them back to the end. When you watch that happening right where you live, that was exactly. That's why I said. That's T4. That's T4. The government decides who are useless eaters.

And they gave the excuse, which was exactly the excuse that the Nazis used for clearing out the nursing homes and the hospitals of the mentally ill, which was the Nazis needed the beds for wounded soldiers from the warfront. Right. Okay? And here in New York, we were told we need the beds for those who can survive. Right.

The minute you start doing these triages, you're dealing in deciding who shall live and who shall die. I'm sorry, but when a society gets to that, they are. in the Nazi mentality. There's no difference. The Germans have no different mentality, you know, biologically. They're not biologically different from the rest.

And we saw that we call them now puppets, essentially, the heads of state of, and this is the industrialized, wealthy countries in the universe. And they all participated in medically murdering in genocide. I was, you know, in spending the time I have with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., he talks about how his own father was obsessed with reading books about Nazi Germany because he said, as he said, look, people want to say that this dictator took over and just started killing people, but the truth was, is he was democratically elected by really the one of the most advanced, if not the most advanced intellectual society of that time. And so how did that happen, you know? And so you're, let's just to, and I could speak to you for days and days of day. But you've done the work for us by making this incredible documentary series. Never again is now global.

It's going to be premiering Monday. So on the 30th of January, the first place people can see it is at Children Health Defense. But you made the documentary, not Children Health Defense, and you're giving it to the whole world to share. You're not charging for it. You've been working for over a year on getting this documentary together, talking to other Holocaust survivors and then making, trying to wake people up to what's happening in modern day society so this doesn't happen again.

Why? Why put that much energy into this? Because I really did realize that the parallels that I was seeing were heading into a Holocaust. And I wanted to try to wake people up to that effect. And the way I felt that I could do it because, yeah, it wasn't a filmmaker. was to find Holocaust survivors who can speak their own truth, what they know, what they believe, without any preconditions, without any pre-done script,

nothing. I wanted people to just tell what they think as they're watching the world move in a very, very ominous direction as I was. And so that's what we did. We have some 32 people that I interviewed. There are Holocaust survivors in Canada, in Israel, Netherlands, and their children and grandchildren

of survivors and victims. And there are also testimonies by some German people. In one case, it's the nephew of Sophie and Hans Scholl, who were young students, there were young medical students in Germany, and they resisted, they wanted to resist. And all they did was distribute mimeographed sheets, telling people, this is wrong, we're going in the wrong.

You don't want this kind of. They were at the university, the caregiver, whatever, he saw them fling some of the leftover leaflets, and he reported them to the Gestapo. They were beheaded. I visited their grave when I was in Munich. But you see, these were, and they called themselves, the little organization, the little organization was the white rose. It was just, you know, it could occur, is that, you know, to try to wake people up that this is wrong. Yeah. And this was early on. There were too few people like that, you see. That was the problem. And there are two few people now.

We have many more, though, than during the Nazis. For one, we've got thousands and thousands of scientists and doctors. You are in one way, I mean, certainly not beheaded, but if you take away the career, you go after licenses of everyone that speaks out against you, which is happening here in the United States of America, Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Ryan Cole, the list goes on. Merrill NASS. Yeah, Merrill NASS. I mean, these are, this is what's happening. No, this is, yeah.

During the Nazis, they didn't. They complied immediately. And the medical profession was the highest number of Nazi. they joined the party. They were totally in bed with it. But no, now there are, and this is very unusual. People need to think really hard. Why would so many thousands of doctors and scientists risk their career,

be willing to go on the ramparts and try to warn people that this is not a vaccine? This is not something to protect you your health or to improve in any which way. This is a bio weapon that was manufactured in labs and it was not tested for safety. They didn't need safety because they weren't interested in keeping us safe. Which was a huge message by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, who is no longer with us due to some health issues that he fought through to bring so much truth to the world, and you've dedicated the documentary.

Documentary is dedicated to Dr. Zelenko, we became friends. And here was exactly an example of what a good doctor, one who practices medicine according to the Hippocratic oath and to the Nuremberg Code. And that is that in this emergency where he had people dying and nobody knew what to do at first, he did what a good doctor does. He hit the literature to see what has been used before, what might work, and that's how he came up with his protocol. He saved more than 7,000 people's lives, just this one doctor. Can you imagine if every doctor in America had acted like that, what would be right now?

Another doctor in South Africa, Dr. Chetty, similar. Honest doctors who really cared about keeping their patients alive did things that the establishment condemned them for. Why? People should ask, why were doctors and are still, dictated and forbidden to prescribe medicines that have been used for decades. The safety record is already there. You don't need a clinical trial for those drugs. They're tested and they save lives, but they weren't interested in saving lives. And I know that many people watching recoil at the idea that today there are doctors and

public health officials who are not interested in actually keeping us alive in health but rather to get rid of us. Population control means population elimination. Yeah. That's the razor sharp edge. Yes. And so I think, you know, first of all, I want to sort of end on the positive, which is we are, there are people like you that aren't afraid to make this comparison, that aren't, you know, afraid to discuss this. And we are, you know, now seeing, you know, places like the high wire, children's health defense, others that are giving voices to these doctors and people that are stepping up, do you feel like we have the

opportunity to push back, rise up, and be a better people this time? I mean, you know, when you see, look, people think that pandemic's over, therefore we're past this, but the digital vaccine passport tracking systems that are being celebrated at the World Economic Forum all of last week and trying to track where we're going, control our lives, track what's under our skin, turn us all into medical experiment subjects all over the world. Do you have hope? Do you have hope for us? I do because there have been tyrants historically, many tyrants, and they wind up, you know, kind of demolishing themselves because the evil can't create anything positive. There is, people need to, you know,

move away from this technology, as if technology, technical science, replaces God. Yeah. And that is what they feel. These are psychopaths, as was hidden. I agree with you. It was not a normal human being. That's why he was chosen to lead.

Right. And we've got psychopaths now, too. And people need to understand that together, we're so many. We're billions, seven and a half billion. Yes. They are supposedly 13 families with a couple of hundreds. Without people's obedience, they have no power. So important.

Vera, I know you don't talk about it a lot, but you made this documentary really with your own blood, sweat, and tears. Not a lot of funding coming in. And even many of the people, professionals, really brilliant, talented people, are not going to be taking credit anonymously working on this with you because of what it can do to your career to be involved in this conversation. But we have a very dedicated audience here that really likes to help make a difference.

This series is brilliant. You're handing it to the world. You're not going to charge for it. It'll be on CHD for free. And after that, you're going to put on Rumble. We will keep it alive. We won't let them censor it. So for people that want to support you, where should they go to say,

I want to donate to the work that you've done. You shouldn't be out there making this all by yourself. Well, the Alliance for Human Research Protection, the website is A-H-R-P. We're a 501c3 organization. We've been in existence since 2001. And we have a website for the movie, I understand right here. We can bring that up. Never Again is now global.com.

And essentially that will take you into the same space. It all goes to the same place. Exactly. One will lead to the other. Yeah, no, I mean, I hope you really see the whole thing. I will. No, no. It's because, you know, because I kind of directed it,

it, it breaks the rules. No script. No preconceived anything. Didn't know where it would go. I trusted that people who wanted to had something on their chest, and you'll see it. That's exactly why they...

So it's, you know, it's a work that... I have to contribute what I can, you know, and that's one of the things in life. You never know when you're challenged, When you ever have to do something, you gotta do it. You know, Vera, you know, I know people watch right now just think, man, if everyone on this planet did a tenth of what you have done in dedicating your life to truth and honesty

and still making an impact and making a difference everywhere you go, you are truly an inspiration. And I think you give us hope. And you're instilling hope throughout multiple generations with the work that you're doing. It's truly incredible. It's hard. When you know where, you know, the darkest of dark, when you know where it's going, you have to stop the train. Indeed. Well, we're here to help you do that. Thank you for joining us today.

Thank you very much. And for all of you out there, I highly recommend this Monday, January 30th. We have Never Again is now global premieres, a five-part series. And you can watch it on Monday, January 30th, at chty.tv. To begin with, and then anywhere that you can watch a video for, free we'll have it on our website also here is just a taste of what this brilliant series is all about this who are responsible for the pandemic have used two of the weapons that the Nazis used which was fear and propaganda propaganda Uganda feeds the fear, foments it, hardens it. At that time, the fear was against Jews who were accused of being spreaders of infectious disease.

The thing that I realized and was horrified by was that medicine under the Nazis had been totally taken over by government, and so I realized that panic was being fomented. fomented so that people would lose confidence in their ability to discern things. And so the best way is listen to public health officials, the experts. The thing that will get us back to the world that we had before coronavirus is the vaccine in getting that out to all seven billion people. Bill Gates assumes the mantle of one who has authority in the medical public health field. There has never been a public health. The only health that ever existed is the individual's health.

Every single medical procedure or medical practice needs to be considered with regards to how does it affect this individual patient. Is it necessary? Why did all of you cooperate? And here's the interesting answer. The Nazis never presented themselves as negative, destructive people. They presented themselves as parties who is trying actually to make things better. And that's what they told people. When you were taken to a ghetto, it was for your own protection. When you were taken to your camps, you were told, we have work for you there.

And food and shelter. You want to help you. My grandfather, who was in the French army, he got into camps. And he always feared after that normal doctors. He saw them doing all kinds of experiments. on people entering the barracks with huge syringers and things like that. There were people sent in Australia to camps. They didn't kill them there.

But the process that we're going through is part of what they were doing to them. Most people just think, well, we need to do what the government says and they want what is good for us. And they trust them and they think that's the way it is. It's so scary that you can understand what happened there and it happens again. It's a deja vu, you know, I feel exactly. I mean, people tell us what to do now. People are telling us how to do, how to go, what to shop.

We went like sheep in the Second World War. It's happening now all over the world where they're in this COVID. I'm against people who are telling me what to do with my body because it's a lie, it's a big lie. When people are so blind, I can't stand it. I have to try. I have to try to convince them to open their eyes, to open their ears, not to go like sheep. It's a race between enslavement and expansion of global human consciousness.

Because there are many, many, many, many more of us. I'm advocating for non-violent civil disobedience, an absolute rejection of all the mandates. Resist?