The Highwire with Del Bigtree - LONG COVID OR VACCINE INJURY? SPIKE PROTEIN FOUND IN THE VACCINATED 2 YEARS LATER

Episode Date: March 16, 2025

With the NIH showing little concern to study long COVID despite pouring $1 billion into research, a new bombshell study on patients with a debilitating post-vaccination syndrome is showing elevated spike protein levels over 2 years (the time of study) after vaccination.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

Let's talk about the COVID vaccine. So I want to bring people back. Remember, the ASIP committee was just postponed. And so let's go back to the good old days when the ASIC committee was really in the trenches there, getting the science out of the way and really putting the screws to Moderna and Pfizer before they unanimously approve their vaccine for children. Here is them talking about the spike protein. This is Pablo Sanchez. He's talking to really a higher up in the Moderna vaccine development space, one of their leads.

Take a look. Okay. I've asked this before, and I just don't have a clear idea of how long this spike proteins that the messenger RNA in our bodies produce, how long has it been detected in patient serum or tissues and maybe, you know, even in animal studies. You know, I know that, you know, it is said that the messenger RNA disappears quite quickly, but do you know, A, first of all, how long it may persist in blood or serum or tissues. And also, do you know what is the molecular weight of the spiked proteins that our bodies do produce? And I guess I'd say that with respect to transplacental transfer as well. But I mean, this is a separate issue.

But those are issues that have, you know, that I've brought up previously and I'm not, I'm not, and I really don't have an answer. I don't know if anything new has been developed on those. Thank you. Well, just far, you know, we have looked at the persistent, the detectability of spike protein as well as the MRNA. You're absolutely right. The MRNA degrades quite quickly.

The spike protein availability, I believe, is on the order of days, but like less than a week. but I will confirm that with our talk folks as well. So it's a new, it's a new design. It's an emergency use authorization product. And this thing is designed to, it gives it messenger RNA, messages to your cell to produce a spiked protein for the first time ever in the human body. And so, rightfully so, Pablo Sanchez is saying, how long does this spike protein sticking around? Could this be a concern in the body tissues and serum? I don't know, maybe like a week.

Like a week. Okay, great. Well, unanimous rubber stamp. Okay, well, let's go to the FDA's FERPAC committee. That's Vaccine and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee. It's kind of their version of ASIP at the FDA over there. Kind of a similar question. Take a listen.

Okay. Clearly, we're thinking in terms of micrograms the way we would think of proteins as a way of inducing an immune response, and yet the purpose of MRNA is to induce protein production. So is your MRNA just more efficient at making cells produce protein, or how should we think of micrograms in terms of the amount of spike protein that's produced by the cells? Can you kind of clarify that? Yeah, I'll leave to Moderna to describe the nature of how they address their vaccine dosage. But I think, obviously, we don't have a complete understanding of the nature of the way that the vaccine works in terms of producing an immune response.

So you have to go by the results. And the results are that in the setting of giving a three-micogram dose, we had low-reacted genesis compared to placebo. And after a third dose, just as in adults, at higher doses, we're getting an immune response that's comparable. It may well be that children we've seen certainly that we're able to go down to a lower dose in children. and the expectation is perhaps they have a more robust response. That seems to be the case based on giving a 10 microgram goes to 5 to 11s and 3 micrograms to younger. Have you ever measured the amount of protein that's produced as a result of the MRNA and how many cells are producing it and how persistent that production is for a given microgram of MRA?

That's a pretty broad question. I think that's obviously, you know, an interesting question of better understanding. understand the mechanism. And I would say it's somewhat academic in the setting of what we're trying to achieve here in terms of getting an immune response and a safety profile. It's satisfactory, but worthwhile for people to pursue. That is June 15th, 2020. That means people are already receiving this vaccine. In fact, everyone in the world is receiving this vaccine. And like, that's a really broad question. How much protein are the cells producing or how long it persists? The guys, first day, it's like, we really don't know how the immune system's respond to.

I mean, people, holy cow! Do you realize you injected, people injected this? Billions of people injected a product, and the top of their game involved in producing this have got no answers to obvious science. Oh, I mean, well, it's such a, like, really, does anyone need to know that? Oh, my God. That's scary, Jeffrey. That's really scary. It's absolutely scary.

And why I'm showing these clips is just to remind people how wild west. this science was it. I mean, literally the guy from Pfizer's going, I don't know, I guess that's a question for academia down the road. We're just producing it. We don't know. We're just making it. It's having an immune reaction. We know that for sure. We can measure that. Right. So let's, so we have obviously we have the journalists and we have academia. So let's go look at what they were doing at that time. So here's 2021 as it's being rolled out. You know, a lot of people are already getting this. Here's Reuters fact check. COVID-19 vaccines, using MRNA, do not send the immune system into perpetual overdrive by instructing cells

to create the spike protein over and over again. And it goes in and it says the MRNA that instructs cells to create the spike protein is broken down by the cell shortly after the protein is synthesized. The protein itself, meanwhile, is broken down when it leaves the cell and is met by the immune response. Okay, seems pretty simple. I guess Reuters knows more than Pfizer-Moderna. Great.

And so let's look at academia because, you know, is there any problems with this spike protein and you know maybe sticking around a little bit and causing some health problems well we have the NIH is a stat news NIH has received a billion dollars to look at long COVID research as poured a billion dollars into it with little a show for it so it goes in and it says there's basically nothing to show for the National Institutes of Health hasn't signed up a single patient to test any potential treatments despite a clear mandate from Congress to study them instead the NIH spent the majority of its money on broader observational research

that won't directly bring relief to patients, but it still hasn't published any findings from the patients who joined that study almost two years after it started. There's no sense of urgency to do more or to speed things up either. So we have really our agency is saying, well, you know, there's people with some problems, sometimes after the vaccine, sometimes after the infection, but we're in no rush to really look at this. And, you know, media and journalists are just completely flat-footed on this. I want to talk through, again, just the basic mechanisms, because this might help you before we go into this next segment here. So the basic mechanism of this vaccine technology is

you have, you have this encapsulated lipid nanoparticle. And inside is the messenger RNA. That's all that dancing stuff right there. Those are the messages. And that is ushered through the body into, it's delivered into the cell. Once it's delivered into the cell, those messages tell that cell to create a spike protein. So the proteins fold, it creates a spike protein. It's expressed in the cell and then you see the immune system go, oh, I know what to do with this. I am going to neutralize this because that's an infection. So that's what shows up on all the cells. So that's the idea, you know, you get that immune response and your cell is creating those things. So again, how long does this stay in the body? So we started to see some research.

And here's one of the pieces of research early on. Blood distribution of SARS-CoV to lipid nanoparticle MRNNNAN vaccines in humans. So it looks at how long this lipid nanoparticle and the MRNA is in the blood. And it says both the vaccine MRNA and the ionizable lipid peaked in the blood one to two days post-vaccination. The vaccine MRNNNA was detectable and quantifiable up to 14 to 15 days post-vaccination, 37 percent of subjects. So, I mean, you're looking at clearly less than a month that they're saying this lipid nanoparticle MRNA, they're clearly found together without that lipid nanoparticle, the MRNA is not going to survive. So where you find one, typically you find the other.

And it only stays in the body. We found it 37% of people for about 14 to 15 days and then the rest fits over with. Well, now we get into the new research. And so we have what's called a rare syndrome. This is what is the title of this headline. Researchers describe rare syndrome after COVID vaccine. What kind of rare syndrome? Well, we go to Yale researchers.

and we'll go to the study that they're actually quoting here. And it says immunological and antigenic signatures associated with chronic illnesses after COVID-19 vaccination. So that's interesting because chronic illnesses, long COVID, chronic illness. At some point, now we're seeing the official merge of this. It's maybe the same thing. Some caused by maybe the illness, some caused by the vaccine, but very similar on the outcome on the back end. So we go into this study and it says a small fraction of the population reports a chronic debilitating condition after COVID-19 vaccination often referred to as post-vaccination syndrome, PBS.S.

Cereological evidence of recent Epstein-Barr virus reactivation was observed more frequently in the post-vaccination syndrome participants. So they're having a reactivation of these dormant viruses, dormant illnesses. Further, individuals with PBS exhibited elevated levels of circulating spike protein compared to healthy controls. That's a huge clue. Now we go into the real the real nitty gritty here. Most notably, we found elevated levels of spike, S1 and full length spike, not just the fragments, the full length in circulation up to 709 days after vaccination among a subset with post-vaccination syndrome, even though, even in those with no evidence of detectable SARS-CoV-2 infection. Wow.

This is bombshell. Wow. So yeah, now we're talking two years. At first it was a month. And we kept saying, as we've been reporting on this, it looks like the spike protein is lasting as long as the study that looks at it, right? It was first three months. Then we looked at a six-month study, still here, one-year study, still here.

Now, 709 days in, I guess, still there, still producing spike protein. So this virus manufacturing plant, more specifically, a spike protein manufacturing plant, at least in those people that are finding like illness, this long COVID, you know, scenario that we're listening to, is just, does anyone know how to shut it off? I mean, it's terrifying, really. Right. And you so brilliantly started out with these scientists going, well, we don't really know. We know we're getting an immune response. Or we think it's just a couple of days.

Well, what if it's not a couple of days? And what happens now that you've done no long-term safety trials? And so everybody got this thing. And up, as it turns out, it's like years your body is making this really horrifying. And we go in, we go look at this graph from this study. It's kind of a plotted graph here. And all of those dots are people who received vaccination. The only difference is there's controls and there's people with the Epstein-Barr virus reactivation.

And they either were, they are reported being infected or not being infected. But those kind of orangey pink dots, those are all the people that have. had the vaccine and no infection and are having this reactivation of their Epstein-Barr virus, which is a really common illness that's just dormant in a lot of people. And the purple ones are the people with the post-vaccination syndrome they're calling and had an infection. But you're seeing days since last exposure. You know, you still, there's a lot of people there, 400 days, 600 days.

And then that one top right one, there's that 709 days. And on the left is just the measure of the spike protein. But you can see there's a lot of people expressing these. these spikes for a very long time. So the question is, remember, the messenger RNA can't live in the body, just free-floating. So it has to be in that lipid nanoparticle. And once that lipid nanoparticle gets into the cell, it delivers the message. And that's it. The spike protein is produced and its job's done. So all of that is over. So what's producing these? Because the spike protein is not going to be floating around in the body, just hanging out, because the immune system will find that. So why is

their spike protein full length. What's going on here? And so we saw studies early on in 2020, 2020, that's showing this. These are tabletop exercises, but this is 2021. Reverse transcribe SARS-CoV-2 RNA can integrate into the genome of cultured human cells and can be expressed in a patient-derived tissues. So is this what's happening? Has this integrated into the DNA where we no longer need the vaccine now? And literally our DNA is telling our body to continually express and produce these proteins. I mean, there's a lot of evidence early on that that might have been the case. And, you know, in this, in this Yale study where that spike protein was hanging out for 709 days, they noticed that people that had that reactivated virus post-vaccination syndrome had lower T-cells.

These are the signaling cells of your immune system. Well, there's also evidence of this. This is a study titled T-cell exhaustion during persistent viral infections. So this is obviously a hypothesis, but is this spike protein is just being produced forever more, and the immune system is just trying to grab it and grab it and grab it and you're now getting tired because it can't stop fighting it, because it's just continually coming. I mean, what you're saying there, and I want to put out that this is just a hypothesis right now, what we're talking about is something that a lot of scientists are looking at. This is very troubling, but this hypothesis is that what you're saying is that this beautiful

little shell, this fatty lipid that protected the MRNA so it could get to the cell. We know that gets dissolved once it's entered the cells. So anything else out in the body should be being killed by the immune system and not continuing to recreate or go to other cells because it can't get there without being attacked by the immune system unless somehow some of this MRNA reverse transcript. Say that word again? Reverse transcriptase. Reverse transcriptase writes itself into your DNA.

Now, basically, the Bible code of your body is telling cells, teaching cells or creating cells that make spike protein as a part of their existence. Is it possible that we have mutated the human beings that are experiencing this so that their bodies will create spike protein the rest of their existence? And then the big question is, what happens if they have kids? Are they going to pass that on, journaline transfer? Are you going to see their kids? Did we just create an entire species that now just pumps out spike protein all day, every day, the rest of their lives for centuries to come? And what's going to be the health of those people? Again, a hypothesis, but a terrifying one in a space where we don't have an explanation.

Otherwise, why you're seeing this last so long in so many people. I mean, all I can say is this is what happens when you, all I can say is this is what happens when you mess with nature. When you rush a product onto the market and giggle about how little you know about it and then tell everyone to get it. I hope to get to the bottom of this and someone's going to have to figure out how do you pry, if it's possible, how do you pry something back out of your DNA if it's made a mistake? If we even inserted a mistake into your DNA.