The Highwire with Del Bigtree - LOST IN TRANS NATION

Episode Date: May 3, 2023

Fauci Uses One of Del’s Talking Points in Attempt to Shirk Responsibility For Abysmal Public Health Response; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on multiple Court Decisions requiring city and state governments to rehire the COVID unvaccinated, with back pay; Fauci isn’t the only one trying to rewrite history. Canada PM Justin Trudeau Was Caught Trying to Claim He Didn’t Force Anyone to Vaccinate; It’s an issue as controversial as vaccines, as the Trans Issue Takes Over Every Sector of Society; How Safe is Hormone Therapy For Children?; One Dad is Suing His School District For Exposing His Child to ‘Medically Inappropriate’ Content Without Parental Consent;Today’s Episode **Viewer Discretion is Advised**Guests: Dr. Patrick Flynn, Luka, Steve SchneiderBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out into a very precarious high wire. As you saw, we have a disclaimer today. I know so many of you use the high wire as your homeschooling class. Lots of great information here. This is one of those shows that I am going to tell you. You should probably most definitely watch this yourself as a parent before you decide whether or not you think this is content that is appropriate for your children. We have made the decision to not censor some of the language in some of these videos so that it was the entire feeling of what's happening in this country and around the world

based on the conversation around transgender and rights and things like that. This is a very sensitive topic. We're going to do our best to be sensitive about it. But certainly the conversation is what should our children be being exposed to? And I'd hate to have this show be their first exposure to this conversation. So please make the decision to perhaps push pause, do something else with your children at this moment, and then come back to us. All right. To start out today's show, there was a headline and an article that absolutely blew my mind only because it's amazing that Tony Fauci is saying what he's saying now.

This is the New York Times. Dr. Fauci looks back. Something clearly went wrong. I think it's all summed up perfectly in this paragraph. Anthony Fauci said, something clearly went wrong. And I don't know exactly what it was. But the reason we know it went wrong is that we are the richest country in the world, and on a per capita basis, we've done worse than virtually all other countries.

And there's no reason that a rich country, like ours, has to have 1.1 million deaths. Unacceptable. I could not agree more. Completely unacceptable. This is what I have been saying all along. throughout the COVID pandemic, and to think this is coming from the man who is on the cover of Time magazine as our guardian of the year. And when he says, you know, I don't know what wrong, can't figure it out. Well, I have somewhere where we should probably start looking why the United

States has done so much worse in Indian Africa that were barely affected by this virus and we did so poorly. You know, I think it all falls at your feet. I mean, honestly, should we just look at the leader of all the decisions that were made throughout this. You had the richest nation in the world. You had the best hospital system in the world. You had more doctors at your fingertips than anybody. But you were the one that decided to deny hydroxychloroquine and ivermectad, two drugs that did really well for Indian Africa. It's probably why they're doing so well. You're the ones that locked us down, masked us, social distance us, kept us outside of our schools, kept us away from our work, destroyed our economy, and then even touted New York as the shiny example on the

hill where they took sick people and forced them in the nursing homes, literally lighting a match in a dry grass field. And all of that, when we're through it, now the greatest nation in the world has the highest amount of deaths. I know we all have friends out there, like, how could you possibly think this guy is a hero? I mean, it would be the equivalent of taking the recent VP of Budweiser, who made that they were talking about Alyssa Heinershide, who had the genius decision to take a transgender model in Dylan Mulvaney, put her on a Budweiser can, Bud Light, in fact, and then promote her as the new spokesmodel for Bud Light. I mean, this is marketing at its worst. It was a total disaster. I don't care what your considerations

are of transgender or not. Let's just think about the types of people that drink Bud Light and ask ourselves, how in the world was this ever supposed to work? Well, in that situation, like most businesses would recognize, it was totally destructive to the product. Here's the headlines. A 17% drop in sales plunge amid Dylan Mulvaney controversy. And of course, following that, we now know that the Bud Light executives put on leave after Dylan Mulvaney Upproar report says. And, you know, more and more headlines just like that. My point being is that we don't see the BP of Bud Light saying, You know, I have no idea why Bud Light just stopped making money and while no one will buy it. We know exactly why.

You were in charge and made horrible choices, just like Tony Fauci did. And the fact that we even listen to this man or consider him to be a hero of any sort, he's one of the biggest losers. He will go down in history, I'm sure. Certainly if I have any say in the matter, we will make sure that they remember how bad he was. In fact, I think we just have to take it from his own mouth. and the New York Times article, you're right. It's unacceptable, Dr. Fauci, and we will never let this happen again. All right, I have a huge show, as I've said, coming up. I'm going to be speaking with an activist that is speaking out to try and protect children and their discussions about gender and transformation, all that, after her own personal experience.

I'm going to talk to Dr. Patrick Flynn, who is called the hormone whisperer, to talk about what it means and what happens to our bodies when we inject ourselves. with these gender transforming hormones. And then I'm going to talk to a father that is fighting desperately for his young daughter's innocence when the school is trying to educate her in a way that he does not see fit. This is a show that is really, you know, you'd have to be hiding under a rock to know what's going on, but we're going to get into all of it. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey.

It's always a great day when Tony Fauci admits that he was, you know, one of the great losers of all history. Yeah, well, we've watched Fauci squirm over and over attempting to rewrite history to hide his failures and his skirt responsibility. But this is now catching up to other leaders. Let's look at now former Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot. She's in the spotlight here. And let's bring back a video now. This is her lovingly and in an understanding way attempting to explain the coming lockdowns to citizens and what they're in store for. Remember those lockdowns that really decrease the living standards.

for everyone that wasn't a billionaire. Take a look. All right. This is how it's going to be. We will shut you down. We will cite you. And if we need to, we will arrest you and we will take you to jail. Period.

There should be nothing unambiguous about that. Don't make us treat you like a criminal. Amazing. And this is exactly what Fauci is saying. I'm not the one that's responsible. I just recommended everybody get locked down and be treated like criminals. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So it's hard to imagine why she couldn't win her re-election, but she did not. And this was, this was that headline just recently out of Chicago. Lori Lightfoot becomes the first Chicago mayor in 40 years to lose reelection. Gee, I wonder why that happened. So with that attitude she had, she, she soon after the lockdowns focused on the workers in Chicago, the unionized workers, police, fire. And this was the headline at that time in October, I believe was 2021. Lightfoot defense COVID vaccine mandate for city workers says they owe it to themselves in the

public. In there, it says Lightfoot announced the vaccine mandate earlier this week saying all city workers must be fully vaccinated by October 15th. The move angered union leaders, listen to this, who had been in the process of negotiating the mandate with the city. Well, just so turns out, a recent ruling by a judge has reversed that. And these city workers who held their ground, we see this story now repeating over and over, these city workers that held their ground would not take mandated medicine, have one favor in the court's judgment. So now the new headline reads this. City of Chicago employees fired for refusing COVID vaccine mandate must be reinstated. Judge rules. And if you look in this ruling and start reading it, 74 pages, but at the bottom,

really the reason the whole idea why they won this was on page 74, you can see these highlighted words failing and refusing to bargain collectively. We see this appearing five times, failing and refusing to bargain collectively. So the union, were in good faith trying to really bargain with Mayor Lightfoot at the time and her office. And she just went out and cut the whole thing short and said, we're doing this. We really don't care about bargaining or anything. So the judge looked through and saw that happen and said, this is not right. So we're seeing a lot of these.

Justice from the COVID response is really playing out in American courts in a big way. American courts are playing a huge role in really bringing reality back to the country. here. We saw this in Massachusetts as well. Massachusetts state workers rehired after COVID vaccine mandate firings. They're not being offered back pay. So there's different flavors for each one of these. But perhaps one of the biggest shining examples that we've seen was the New York City judge. New York court orders all city employees fired for being unvaccinated to be reinstated and given back pay. And in this court ruling, the judge did something really interesting. He went right to the heart of the science in his ruling. He put this in black and white. He says this, being vaccinated.

does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting COVID-19. As of the day of this decision, CDC guidelines regarding quarantine and isolation are the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. The petitioners, the city workers, should not have been terminated for choosing not to protect themselves. So Jeffrey, let me just take a moment to just congratulate all of those workers across America that stood your ground. The pressure was huge. You walked away from your job, which must have been incredibly difficult, stressful, trying to feed your families get through, but you held on to your principles,

and you ended up standing as our founding fathers did for this nation. I think about the Boston Tea Party. It's that type of American that makes our Constitution matter, and in this case made our court systems matter. It is really, truly a victory. And I think now, Jeffrey, should they ever try to do something this ridiculous again, look how much precedence we have in the courts

because these brilliant, amazing Americans stood for their rights and proved that this was illegal what our government tried to do and what our state agencies tried to do. And now if they ever try to do it again, we'll be able to point to these court decisions and say, no, this will never happen again. So truly a shining moment for America and that, you know, that little bit of resistance that still is in our blood that makes us the great nation that we are. Right.

And in the legal aspect, you're seeing this side with the people's rights, with the Constitution, with freedom. And it's interesting because Lori Lightfoot didn't show up in court and say, I don't know what you're talking about. I never tried to force a mandate on these people, but Justin Trudeau did. So he is actually trying to rewrite history. This is the Prime Minister of Canada. And listen to what he had to say recently in a conversation, a public conversation, mind you. So as Prime Minister through the greatest public health crisis that we've faced in a hundred years in this country since the Spanish flu, my responsibility was to keep as many Canadians alive as possible.

And all of the scientists and the medical experts and the researchers, not just in Canada, but around the world, understood that vaccination was going to be the way through this. And therefore, while not forcing anyone to get vaccinated, I chose to make sure that all the incentives and all the protections were there to encourage Canadians to get vaccinated. And that's exactly what they did. Wow. Let's try, buddy.

I mean, I love the fact that it just these people all wish cameras were not rolling on them when they were acting, you know, like little dictators. But they were, thank God. That's such a teachable moment, too, in that, what, 30 seconds, because you see them say, all the researchers and doctors were on the world knew the vaccine. So here we go, the scientific consensus looming in the background. This is what they said. And his job was to protect all Canadians, except giving them early treatments, except just letting them go home until they can't breathe and then put them on a ventilator. That was okay until the vaccine came. But, you know, that was his job. So now let's look at Trudeau because thankfully we have the internet and a very simple search of previous videos. We'll show you

something like this from Justin Trudeau from past experiences. You deserve a government that's going to continue to say, get vaccinated. The best way to get through this pandemic is for everyone to get fully vaccinated. Everyone needs to get vaccinated and those people are putting us all at risk. We have put forward many, many different measures to encourage, to reassure, to incentivize, to educate, to cajole, to remind people that it's never too late to do the right thing. Anyone boarding a train or a plane will be fully vaccinated. The bottom line, proof of vaccination will be required by no later than the end of this month for all federal employees.

And by mid-November, enforcement measures in place will make sure that everyone is vaccinated. Wow, I'm amazing to think that he doesn't think taking your job, your ability to get on a bus or train or travel or go to gracious or even protest for that matter. aren't ways of forcing people into compliance. I mean, it's just shocking. But fantastic, right? The fact that all of these leaders that were so outspoken and so confident that the science was on their side are now realizing they're in real trouble. And we've watched so many Boris Johnson lose his job, Jacinda Arden in New Zealand and Cuomo. I mean, it has really, and lightfoot. I mean, these people are dropping like flies. And I think for the rest that they're still surviving. They're thinking, I got to try and rewrite history really quick, and hopefully nobody will look back at what I actually said.

The deck is reshuffling. And even the health officials who made some of the calls on the ground are getting kind of their due here in the spotlight. This is from court records because Canada had one of the strictest travel bans. So court records show Trudeau brought in vaccine mandate for travel purely based on politics. So the documents may public by a lawsuit show these health officials were scrambling to find any justification for these mandates. these travel mandates before they came into effect. So it wasn't quite science-based. And even the FDA is not immune from this. No pun intended. So this is the headline here. Vaccines don't have to prevent transmission or infection. So they're updating the basically the conversation around vaccination and looking at what we've really reported for the last three years that this thing was never tested

to stop transmission. And it didn't. So the FDA, after defending that for so long, is saying, well, maybe we could change the definition, move some goalposts around it. and it doesn't have to stop transmission. It just needs to do a pretty good job, I guess. Which is amazing. We've talked a lot about this. They changed the definition to, you know, protects you from, you know, severe disease,

which now the numbers are going to show that that is even a fallacy. But I can, our nonprofit is really pushing back on the FDA right now. You have to know everyone out there that we are not going to just let them sit here. And by the way, they are now erasing their only argument they had for mandated vaccines, which is the vaccines are designed not necessarily to protect you. as Rachel Maddow said, it's not about being selfish for yourself. It's about protecting that other person that cannot take the vaccine. Well, if the vaccine does not stop infection, does not stop transmission, you are now only putting that child or that person that can't get the vaccine

at risk and you don't know it because the vaccine may be hiding your symptoms, turning you into a silent killer, the idea of herd immunity, community immunity, everything they based the mandated vaccine program on and why none of us were allowed to questioning it. it is dead. We plan on winning on this point in courtrooms all across the country. The FDA has made a fatal mistake in trying to protect this disastrous vaccine program by saying, oh, it's good enough. It's not good enough. It's not a good enough. And we're going to make sure the world knows it. And throughout these COVID response in the last three years, we watch step by step of the unscientific moves, the inhumane moves, and often ridiculous moves that the government was making,

leaders were making. And now we're seeing on the back end that everyone's trying to backtrack, but something similar is happening in the climate conversation. We're seeing some ridiculous moves there that has a lot of people scratching their head. And it'll be interesting. I mean, it seems like it's almost full circle coming around right when it happens. But this is breaking news just yesterday. This is Jennifer Granholm during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing. She's the Biden Energy Secretary.

She's a lawyer with no military background, mind you. And she says this. Here's the headline. Biden Energy Secretary wants all U.S. military vehicles to be electric by 23rd. She believes we can get there. I guess the only problem with that is they're going to know who we're going to invade because they're going to be putting up charging stations in the battlefield. Might actually work against you, right?

If you try to get people to put up charging stations, don't put them up. If there's any chance America might try to invent. Can you imagine, like, you know, the entire battalion just stopped in the middle of a desert saying, wait a minute. Someone said there's supposed to be a charging station right here. Man, I mean, you just can't get more ridiculous, honestly. No, and so going from the ridiculous to also the seriously ridiculous, New York City is going to reduce food-based emissions, and they're going to cut that.

New York City aims to reduce food-based emissions by 33% by 2030. So they show that the third biggest greenhouse gas emissions were food-based emissions behind transportation and buildings. So we already know what they're doing with the transportation. There's cutting that building as well. So they say that 20% of these greenhouse gas emissions, come from household food consumption. That's the people there on the ground. And they're trying to basically just phase out meat, phase out dairy, completely move to plant-based foods. There's a problem.

There's a problem with this. Can I say lab-based foods? Let's go ahead and throw that in. Plant-based food seems to mean lab-based food. For those of you that want to put like a big green bow on it, it's not green. It's synthetic and gross and disgusting is what it really is. Right. So as these leaders are looking into the future, 2030, 2050, there's some real issues on the ground right now in New York City. So as they're talking about cutting food emissions by 33%, which means basically cutting food, you have this. This is from city harvest. This is one of New York City's largest food rescue organizations. And they say this, food insecurity in our city remains near historic highs. Visits to New York City food pantries and soup kitchens are up 69 percent in 2020. compared to 2019. They say one and four children are have food insecurity in New York City. So I don't know how that's going to go with that population. It's a large population about cutting their food emissions. But just as ridiculous in the health sector is this going on. We're talking about anesthetics now. That's those things that put you out when you go into a major surgery. This was the headline. Decreasing anesthetics during procedures without compromising patient care can reduce greenhouse gas emissions. What? All right, so it says in this article, in the study of more than 13,000 patients, you got to wonder if they were given informed consent what they're about to do. The author set a goal of an average fresh gas flow. That's what goes through the mask to put you out of three liters per minute or less for procedures.

In March 2021, prior to the intervention, authors determined that the fresh gas flow was about five to six liters per minute in many cases. It goes on to say by 2021, they recorded an average fresh gas flow of three liters per minute or less. 93% of the cases. Yay, they did it. The researchers now are aiming to reduce the fresh gas flow to less than two liters per minute throughout the system. How low can you go, Dahl? I keep trying to imagine the headline next year. You know, President Biden is looking to lower anesthesia levels to just one click above the patient screaming, ow! Or the other headline. I think he needs a little bit more, but that's it. And God forbid, by the way, Jeffrey, that they, I mean, I'm really concerned they're going to discover that what, What we're all exhaling is CO2, which happens to be a greenhouse gas. What are they going to do to us? There's just too many of us. We've got to get rid of them. We're killing the planet.

Right. So when you get wheeled into surgery and you see a shot of whiskey there, no, we're going back to the good old days because that doesn't emit greenhouse gas. You can't make this stuff up and no one would believe you. Five years ago, they'd never believe this. Now, sticking in the medical community here with some more ridiculous, remember, this is the same medical community with respect to them during the beginning stages of the COVID that we're sticking people in rooms, weren't contaminating the staff saying,

you know, is quarantine these people. We're not going to give them early interventions. We're just going to stick them in there because we don't know what's going on. The pendulum is swinging to the opposite side now to reduce carbon footprint. This is the BMJ. This is the headline. It says reusable gowns and drapes in surgery could reduce carbon footprint analysis shows. So all those surgery drapes and those gowns after they're soiled, I guess just throw them with a little cap of bleach into the laundry and you should be good to go for the climate. But everything is really amazing, as you pointed out, the same climate people that forced us all to just keep throwing all these face diapers into the garbage on the streets all over in our rivers and our oceans.

Now all of a sudden it's like, you know what the real problem is? It's surgeries. Let's lower the anesthesia. Let's just rewash all the bloody garments and things that are there because that'll be just fine. As crazy as these headlines are, none of them really get to the point of this one. This next one goes into this stratosphere. So this, let's bring up Bill Gates. This is our friend here because he's always circling around in these conversations, whether it's health, now he's climate. Bill Gates aims to fight climate change by stopping, wait for it, cows from burping. This is a Gates funded, he has a fund called the Breakthrough Energy Ventures, interesting. And they're trying to reduce methane emissions by putting a supplement

in cows feed to stop them from burping and farting, mind you. And they're saying that that could reduce the emissions coming from cows by 95%. We keep seeing this number 95%, whether it's vaccines or reducing. It must be sometime a talking point number. But that's what Breakthrough Energy Ventures is doing at the behest of Bill Gates and the funding of Bill Gates is an Australian company. I think it's a perfect example of what we should think of when we think of the term 95%. From now on, you hear 95%.

I just want you to think bullfarts. Yeah. Well, let's bring it down to the individual person. and their actual spending on items. So this is Dr. Simon Goodart. This is a Twitter account, and he went to Twitter and put this out. He said, my Brazilian bank, C6 Bank,

is now tracking my CO2 emissions from purchases, travel, et cetera, and strongly encouraging me to compensate monetarily for them. So here's an image. This is his backend app for his bank, C6. And it says here, you can see negative 7.88 kilograms of CO2 emissions. Now it's in Portuguese, but it basically says the compensation of the balance is equivalent to the preservation of one tree. So now they're

giving, they're calculating your, your dollars spent in trees. And so, and you can see here, it shows each one of his transactions down to the granular level and how much CO2 emissions is giving off. And it's interesting because just a little research into this C6 bank, you can see who has a large share in this. This is J.P. Morgan. So the headline, J.P. Morgan makes Brazilian retail banking debut with 40% stake in C6 Bank. This is the same J.P. Morgan, who just recently said this, sees property to build wind and solar farms. This is Jamie Diamond, JP Morgan Chief.

These are the green projects. They're saying they must be fast tracks, says Diamond, to meet these net zero targets, talking about using eminent domain to take people's land to throw up solar and windmills. And we've already looked at some white papers last week showing how really inefficient these are. and they don't have the capacity to take forth this energy system that's really being built out or put onto. So let me ask you this Brazilian bank. Now, there's no repercussions at the moment. This is basically just they're running a test on how we would track it, probably getting people used to it.

But you can tell that this is a test group for our future, folks, this is where this is going. And, you know, I know you probably get sick of me saying it, but I really want to make it clear that I believe in a clean environment. I mean, I really struggle with this with these issues because on the one hand, I want clean and healthy fish in every river in America. I want, I want that great old American pastime where we can go down to the river with our kids, pull the fish out and be able to eat it, hunt, you know, for food and be able to eat it, not have it contaminated by all sorts of issues. And that is a problem. And we can fix those problems in the immediate. But we can do it, I think using the free market balance.

You know, we see cars changing. Nobody wants a dirtier car than need. We all want better gas mileage. Let the market forces drive these things. Let good ideas prevail, mandating them by government, using carbon credit scores and enslaving us, has nothing to do with actually protecting the environment. And that's where I think all this is at.

Cutting my food supply is not the answer, you know, all of these things. And so we're going to continue to cover this. But I do want, as, as, you know, the audience out there to think about, you know, wouldn't it be great if we had cleaner air, less asthma? Wouldn't it be great if every river you could just jump in it and never have a thought about it? And we had some system that, you know, made sure that the industries that are, would like to pollute our rivers are not allowed to. You know, I believe in those protections somehow. But we have regulatory agencies that are totally captured by industry. We have a government

captured by industry, which makes me leery and skeptical of everything that's being promoted in this space right now. So we're going to continue to show the truth as we see it and try and make our way through. These are very precarious times and very confusing discussions, I think. And it seems like the little people always come up short on these conversations, whether it's increased control on their lives or just this. So in 2022, Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act. This was like a $750 billion package. And in there was this historic green energy package as well that was going to really supercharge the United States into like this net zero economy. But now we're seeing this. There's a new government analysis. This is Epoch Times. Big

banks corporations getting 90% of Biden's green energy credits, congressional studies. So this is a study by the Joint Committee on Taxation. It's saying that these tax credits are going into the coffers of big banks and billion dollar corporations. So nothing new under the sun, it seems like, with the climate change. And that's really sad. But let's go back. Now we talked about the New York City, the food insecurity there. People really are focused on what their needs are right now, Right now as we speak, not 2030, not 2050. So the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago recently did a survey asking some of these questions. It was a nationwide poll of 5,408 adults.

And this is some of the things they found. They says this. Americans are less convinced that climate change is caused mostly or entirely by humans compared to data from recent years, declining from 60% in 2018 to 49% this year. It also goes on to say about Americans' concerns, number. Number one, the economy, 82%, where they're getting their jobs, their money, their payroll. And then number two, health care, 81% could continue to be the most important issues to Americans. Climate is coming in third at this point. So we have some really interesting points.

Remember, this climate change, you know, ideology thought has been really pushed for decades and decades. We were showing clips from like the 60s and 70s. So having less than half Americans really believe that it's their fault. is a big change. So for the people in the administration that are really trying to push this net zero by 2030 aggressively, they have a big issue with their talking points and their narrative because a lot of people

are seeing through this and seeing another side of it. Look, no one wants to see people that can't afford electric cars losing their ability to travel. No one wants to live in a 15-minute city here in the United States of America. No one wants to be told where to live, how to live, how to get around, this is a free country. And so the fact that they're pushing all these agendas,

thinking they control our food, control our movements, you know, control our moral standards. This isn't what the government is there for. Get out of the way. And I think you're seeing that on all sides of these discussions now. And so those are the drops in those numbers. And rightfully so, thank God. I think it's all showing that people are waking up and not just, you know, walking around like a bunch of zombies, which I think we were worried about as we're entering into COVID. And now, you know, we have these tools and these ridiculous headlines as ways to really start a conversation with those that, you know, have been hypnotized, if you will. When you think about Matthias Desmit and the mass formation conversations we've had, we've got to pull them out of that

hypnosis. And these headlines are really good at doing that. And one of the most polarizing, so we're talking about polarizing debates. Climate change, obviously, we just came from a largely polarizing debates of mandated vaccines, lockdowns, masks. But really, perhaps one of the most polarizing debates in America today, which is saying a lot is the idea of transgender rights. This is a debate that's going on right now. And there seems to be two kind of large topics that make up this debate. One of them is the idea of transgender people basically in sports, competing in sports. And the other one is what we've covered before on the show is the transitioning of children, often without their parental consent, being given some puberty blockers that

sometimes have some really big safety issues around them. So this is what's happening right now. The sports issue is really coming to a head. So take a look at what's happening in the news. This is just from the last couple weeks. All right. She's the swimmer who created shockwaves across the country as the first known transgender athlete to win a Division I national title.

The 17-year-old Dallas area high school student won the title of champion in the girls' state wrestling competition Saturday. Two transgender high school runners, well, they're kicking up Dustin, Connecticut, taking the top at the state girls championship, leaving parents wondering if they have an unfair advantage. The first openly transgender athlete to compete in a different sex category to that which they were born at an Olympics. She's transgender in last year. She won a world championship for her age group, racing against women. I suffered from a concussion and neck injury that to this day I'm still recovering from. Peyton McNabb is talking about an incident last fall when a transgender athlete

she competed against, spiked to volleyball and injured her. I may be the first to come before you with an injury, but I won't be the last. Critics say she has an unfair physical advantage over the other swimmers and should not have been allowed to compete. Beggs is a transgender athlete, board a girl transitioning to become a boy. It takes testosterone injections to make that transition happen. Many believe that provides the young wrestler with an added competitive edge. I have said from the beginning and I stand with it that I don't want biological boys to compete against women and girls in sports. It's just not fair.

Leah Thomas had 10 years on testosterone. If a biological woman was on that much testosterone, she would be banned for life because of the changes that it makes to the body. Her lungs are bigger, her back's bigger, her hands are bigger. She just has a tremendous advantage in swimming in the pool against the women, and you know, and she proved that. There's a lot of factors that go into a race and how well you do.

And the biggest change for me is that I'm happy. It allows her to be who she wants to be, and I think that has a little bit more weight than just winning a medal. These fears that trans women are a threat to women's sport are irrational fears of trans women, which is the dictionary definition of transphobia. And we need to call it what it is. I feel like as we dive into this very, very, very,

very, you know, sensitive space. I want to say that I know our audience, I know that you and I, and we've talked with, and we've been working on how to approach this show in a way that is appropriate, because truly we are all about accepting people for who they are. This is a free country. You know, we should respect each other. There's privacy and stand up for one another. We're all brothers and sisters on this planet together. But this issue really does challenge the lines between our perspective of ourselves and you know honestly fairness and reason seem to be hanging in the balance right now and you can see with the conversation of inclusion in sports one of the things just from that that clip we showed was one of the key points is biological men

competing in women's sports biological men and boys and so the Biden administration has weighed into this and they unveiled a title nine update so this is the head from Politico, this was earlier this month. Education Department avails Title IX, transgender sports eligibility rules. So this is civil rights rule. It's at the federal level, and it originally prohibited sex-based discrimination in any school program that received federal funding.

So what they're doing is the new drafts. Right now it's in draft form. They have to have like a 30-day public comment period. Might be time to comment, by the way, public. This is what this is all about. But continue on, Jeffrey. Yeah. Yeah.

So the new draft would allow people to compete in sports, consistent. with their gender identity. So that is what's going on at the federal level. And at the state level, the same conversation is happening as well. So we have the state map here of 21 states. And you can see here that have enacted laws banning transgender students from participating in sports consistent with their gender identity. And so that's what's happening there.

So you can see the division is going directly. I mean, right there, you have to look at some majority, you know, if you just look state by state, at least how that map is drawn out of people. saying this is not a direction we are comfortable going in, which, you know, is very interesting. Right. And they're not, you know, the lawmakers in those states, their intention, from my understanding, is not to isolate transgender students, but to perfect, protect fair play in women's sports. That's from my research. But also you see at the house level, this was the headline just about a week ago, House Passes, GOP, billed, bar transgender athletes on girls and women's teams.

that's not going to get out of the Senate basically. Biden said he would veto that if it came through. So that's where that stands. So you can see, you know, really the push poll and the conversations back and forth on this, even going all the way up to the executive branch of the government. But there's another conversation that's happening here. So as people are really passionate about these ideas, passionate about these topics, you're seeing a lot of protests.

And something that is different than what we're used to here in America. So in America, when we see some of these big issues being protested over the last century, we have women's suffrage for voting rights for women, you know, way, way back. Martin Luther King Jr.'s March on Washington. That's where he did is. I have a dream speech. You know, hundreds of thousands of people showed up there. And even the defeat the mandates rally where, you know, historically, this is going to be really a big deal

as we're looking back against mandated medicine, medical freedom. We saw, we saw debate. We saw non-violence. We saw people coming together to really let the ideas battle back and forth. It's not what we're seeing here with a lot of these conversations around the transgender rights in these protests. So let's look at a couple of these. And I know we're going to give a warning here. So if you have kids in the room, it's maybe a great time to have them to step outside for about five minutes or so.

We're going to show some video here. profanity. But in order to really get to the heart of this, we need to show it for as it's happening so we can have a real debate about this. So this is conservative activist Chris Elston. He's also known as Billboard Chris. And he was in Vancouver protesting. And he's being interviewed by Dan Dix of Press for Truth at a rally, a transgender rights rally. So take a look what happens. Why do you think they're getting that kind of representation? I mean, it's clearly was aggressive violence. You suck. Fuck you. Fuck you. You're not wanted.

Fuck you. You're a fucking idiot. I don't know what to say. I guess these police officers are mostly indoctrinated as well. They're afraid of the mob. I think they're afraid that if they do anything to actually keep law and order, that they'll end up being on the end of this verbal abuse. So it's just cowardice from everybody all around. People probably want to know, how do you keep your composure? Fuck you!

What's that? How do you keep your composure? Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.

Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Excuse me. Did you just say he came here to incite violence by forcing his opinion on people?

Yes. You think he came here to incite violence because they got offended by his sign? When you talk to someone? What is wrong with you? and scream at someone and put your face at all. Yes, he didn't. They put their face in his face. What is wrong with you?

Okay. Okay. How on earth did you become a police officer? She is literally sitting here saying that Billboard Chris is inciting violence by standing there with his sign. Is that really your position? Okay, sir. We're done with this conversation. Yeah, I thought so.

I thought so. This is absolutely unbecoming of the Vancouver Police Department. Disgusting. Amazing. We can see that video, not screaming. It's clear there's this one side perspective. The fact the police aren't there even representing what actually happened there. It's disturbing. It's very difficult to watch. And Del, on the other side of this conversation, are women working to defend their societal rights and hard-fought equalities throughout the years? An outspoken activist in this space is Kelly J. Keene. And here are some of her views on what she's been saying out in public.

Take a listen. Okay. It is the billboard that has caused a lot of controversy this week. Now, feminist blogger Kelly J. Keen Mitchell, she put that up. This is the definition of woman. I've noticed over the last few years, we've, we seem to be losing the word woman. Why do you not say the pronouns that they choose? I don't care how much effort.

I don't care whether they've had surgery. As far as I'm concerned, there is no man on this planet that deserves the pronoun she her. I really don't think there is any such thing as a woman who isn't born female. By calling some men this word trans woman, which I don't feel makes any sense at all, as soon as we use that word, we then can't talk about keeping women's spaces for women only. I really don't think you can change sex in any meaningful way. Every cell in the human body has got the DNA code. of what sex you are. So India obviously looks like a woman, but I don't see India as a woman.

Now Dahl, she was recently slated to talk at a rally in New Zealand, and we have some footage of that that just happened recently. Take a look at what happened when she did. I mean, she never even got to the microphone to be able to, you know, speak her perspective, you know, and so I say it all the time from our side, well, on the antivacctions, we've got to be listen to each other. If we cannot hear each other, then how do we find, you know, how we work with each other? How do we find our middle ground? It's really disturbing when someone's not even allowed to state their opinion and their perspective. Some really tense moments there as police were really struggling to control that space. Now back here in America, we have NCAA swimmer Riley

Gaines. She tried to speak on campus of San Francisco State University about her views opposing the inclusion of transgender athletes in women's sports. Take a look how that turned out. Gaines reportedly had to barricade herself in the room with campus security at San Francisco State University for almost three hours until police could disperse the crowd there. So again, another really tense situation that could have spun out of control even worse. Well, I mean, look, if the police are keeping locked in room for three hours, they obviously, think that there's danger there. And you know, when I think about this, you know, first of all, you know, I'm all about the right to peaceful protest very important, but when you use

intimidation, physical intimidation, and we have to be realistic about this. These are women trying to speak out in most of these situations and the tension being brought upon them is by physical sized men, however they want to call themselves. They have all of the abilities and strength of men against women. So when you look at Riley Gaines, when you look at these, you know, compared to the discussion that's happening here, it's very intimidating. And, you know, as we try to do this story, so many women want to be able to speak out and talk about how hard they fought for their rights of equality in sports, something that

has been, you know, in business. And now to sort of see that under threat is just, and the fact that they can't talk about it because they're being intimidated. It's just not the way this should be. It's not the way conversation and debate should be happening. The public atmosphere around this debate is concerning. And you would hope at this time that a president would be asking for peace and for calm during times like this. But here's the White House press secretary discussing Biden's stance to a room full of reporters recently. Take a listen. LGBTQI plus kids are resilient. They are feet. They fight back. They're not going anywhere. And we have their back. This administration has their back.

I mean, using words like they fight back. Like we need them fighting. That is not what leadership should be talking about now. We need a time of unity. We need to start being able to converse, not fight. Terrible, terrible advice and words coming from the White House right now. disappointing. Right. And refusing also to denounce any of these, you know, any of these potentially violent acts is also seems to be a misstep from the administration. So it'll be interesting to see how this turns out. This is this conversation is not going anywhere anytime soon. And with Title IX being on the docket and the public space, this is going to be something that I think is really going to be on the front burner of really even moving into the debates of 2024 for a president. Well, Jeffrey, thank you. Amazing report. I think that was one of the more interesting.

Jeffrey Jackson reports I've seen in some ways, you know, if you look at it from afar, it's like a Saturday night live episode from 10 years ago saying, in the future, this is what your world is going to look like. We are truly living in strange times. Thank you for that in-depth reporting and the sensitivity you're bringing to it. I really appreciate it, Jeffrey. Keep up the great work. You got it. Absolutely. Thank you, Del. All right. We'll see you next week. Well, for many of you, you've been, you know, going to our website and checking out the report, but we've decided to kick it up a notch. For so many of you that say, you know, watching the hot wire, there's so much information. It's like trying to drink from a fire hose.

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sign up now, become a recurring donor so you don't miss out on this great new expression for I can and the high wire. Okay. Now, obviously, we've already been into some of these very controversial topics, but for many of you, I suppose, maybe you're homeschooling, you've turned off your television, you turned off your radios, and maybe you don't want to have anything to do with this. Or maybe you're so busy, you're running around, drop your child off at school, and are unaware what's really happening there. So for those of you that maybe haven't been paying attention, There's a lot going on in this discussion around gender and gender identity. This is just a taste of how the media is covering this in so many different ways.

Take a look at this. Kean was born Caitlin, but from his earliest memories, he felt trapped in the wrong body, living the wrong life. When Betty Thomas was seven years old, this children's book sparked a conversation about gender. There was finally a breakthrough in those like three years of just complete anger and sorrow. More and more young people are emerging as transgender. Under that there's a whole umbrella of gender identities where people might have pronouns that change day to day. There might be people who have one set of pronouns for the rest of their life. Taking away kids' agency and the right to their own body is it's just it's anti-examines.

It's just, it's anti-human. It typically began in early childhood, it just two to four, little boys insisting, no, mommy, I'm not a boy, I'm a girl. When a two-year-old comes up to you and says, mommy, when is the good fairy gonna come with her magic wand and change my penis into a vagina? You're like, okay, this is not typical.

This is not something a normal child would do. I didn't go to medical school. My wife didn't go to medical school. So we trust them, and we trust that they know what's best for our kids. We're only trying to follow what our medical community says are the best choices you can make as a parent. I'd rather have a living son than a dead daughter.

At what age does the medical transition begin with medication? So medical affirmation begins when the patient says they're ready for it. So that could be a kiddo who is just starting puberty and panicking because they're getting breast buds their penis is getting bigger and busier, and they're worried about all kinds of masculine changes.

It's also exceedingly rare, typically afflicting roughly 0.01% of the population, the majority of whom would have naturally outgrown it on their own, and historically did. Others became what we used to call transsexual adults. He just now started hormone blockers. It's an implant. It is to prevent his puberty.

This is an off-label untested experimental use. It hasn't been through any FDA approval process. It's what I would call a chemical conversion therapy. The development of desire is mediated by the sex steroid hormones. And if you've blocked them, then you've also blocked that development. Children actually reported greater self-harm with this medication. Girls exhibited more behavioral and emotional problems. greater dissatisfaction with their bodies.

If you give them to a girl who's already started her periods, you're going to put her into an immediate, sort of violent menopause. Transgender surgeries across the country are on the rise, as more insurance companies are offering coverage for those procedures, and it's not just adults interested in the procedure. Ursula Perry shows us a growing number of teenagers are as well. Now 17, he's had hormone therapy and had his breasts and uterus removed. Keen is part of a spike in demand for transitioning from teens around the world.

Today I am having top surgery. It's really, really hard to look in the mirror and see something that doesn't conform to how your brain or how you think you are. A young woman alleges she was coerced in a treatment at the age of 15 that caused permanent mutilation and damage to her body. When I was 15 years old, I had a double mastectomy. they removed both of my breasts. I'm 18 years old now and I'm, quite frankly, I am devastated with what has happened to me. Such a serious process to go down

and it's so experimental because, you know, doctors don't even know, you know, the outcomes of a lot of these treatments that are given out. I should have been, you know, told to wait and not affirmed in my gender identity I was claiming to have. And, yeah, just given intensive therapy, basically, to investigate,

the feelings that I was having to try and, you know, figure out how I got to that stage. Parents are not happy with the Rockland Charter School Academy for having transgender discussions in a kindergarten class. Why are we doing this? Shouldn't the schools be focused on science and education and learning and reading and writing? And instead they're being taught, are you a boy? Are you a girl? And they're confusing the children. People are girls. Some are boys. Some are both. Some are neither.

Gender is all about how we feel on the inside and how we express ourselves. We're telling children when they haven't fully developed that all you have to do is medically transition and you fit in. I was one of those kids. It got me at 42. Your child doesn't have a chance. Planned Parenthood gives out testosterone on a first visit. Depending on the state, it absolutely gives testosterone to minors. They gave you testosterone immediately.

Yeah, I essentially just made a phone call and said, I want to transition and it was immediately given. Did they do any psychological testing? Did they ask you why? No. It was completely self-diagnosed. Some of it's a social contagion. In other ways, it's iatrogenic,

which means that it's actually caused by the medical profession. So you start to get doctors and others misdiagnosing people. This was what happens with anorexia and bulimia. You know, these doctors identify eating disorders and then they publicize them and it gets all this publicity about it and then the disorder spread. Well, then there's all these gender affirming care clinics that pop up and they're enormously profitable, which is terrifying. Right. That they have a same as Eisenhower speech about the military industrial complex, they have a vested interest in going into war. These people have an interest in diagnosing people with gender dysphoria.

If you confuse people about a fundamental element of their identity, then those who are already so confused, they're barely hanging on, are going to fall prey to that and all hell's going to break loose. And that's exactly what's happened in the trans, in the trans situation. Can you find it in a blood test? Can you do testings of genetics? Or can you do a brain image and find the gender identity in there? You cannot.

There is no objective test to diagnosis. Yet we're giving very harmful things. very harmful therapies on the basis of no objective diagnosis. As someone who has gone through the process, I think I can sufficiently say I don't want any children going through that process. It's incredibly turbulent, I guess that's the best word. It's a lot to go through physically, mentally, emotionally. I don't know what kind of world we're living in where it's now become people who don't want that to happen are the abusers and are the ones that are in the wrong.

It is the fact that they are mutilating and literally castrating physically and chemically minors in the name of this false ideology. They go right to purity blockers, right to cross-sex hormones, and they are sterile. Not only that, no orgasms for them in their future. Nice. Is that informed consent for a 14-year-old who's going through body issues? Men cannot become women. Women cannot become men.

Biological sex is real. Obviously a lot of different opinions on this subject, but when we think about our nonprofit here, the informed consent action network, what is informed consent? What is a child really capable of giving consent or understanding what these conversations are about? And, you know, I think there could be plenty of conversations about, you know, is there something chemically that's happening in our environment? But today we're really looking at the social side of this. And I think that when you look at, look at this chart, this is the Gallup poll. Just when you think about the change in having these conversations with children, 7.2% of U.S. adults identify as LGBT.

That's what most of us understood to be, you know, the sort of the gay rights movement and their place in this world, which is, you know, they're, as I said before, I'm totally open and open to them walking with us. They're beautiful people. They're my brothers and sisters. But look what's happened. Look at, you know, as the, you know, you look at the different generations, the millennials, it rises up to 11.2% of them identifying in this category.

And now Gen Z, 19.7, this is the latest generation born in 1997 to 2004. These teenagers now identify. And God knows what's about to happen with these babies and children that are having these conversations in kindergarten first grade. in order to try and get some understanding of this, because, I mean, I'm sure I speak for many of you. It's so outside of a frame of reference that I have that we really wanted to get a personal story, someone that was involved and saw that they were having trouble as a teenager and listened to this sort of new thought system, which says it's really all about your body,

you're in the wrong body. This is the story of Luke. I grew up in the Midwest. I did ballet for the majority of my childhood. I also did lots of different sports, volleyball, soccer, trap shooting. I didn't ever really think about being a boy or girl when I was younger. I was mostly just focused on being a kid. Around junior high, so like end of seventh grade time, my parents had begun to like split up.

The whole like changing houses each week thing didn't work well for me mentally. kind of made me revert into myself in terms of hanging out with people or wanting to go and do things. It was a lot of, at that point, spending time on my phone outside of school, right around where I really started to go through puberty, around, like, 13. I was, like, finding myself, like, having crushes on, like, other girls in my class and also just feeling uncomfortable with my body at the time. And so I started to go through searching out, like, different groups for support, learning about like what the LGBT community was because I grew up sheltered in a way and didn't

really know what that was to looking more into it. When I heard some of this stuff about like you don't like certain parts of your body like your chest or the fact you're like getting hips because you're going through puberty then if you're uncomfortable with that maybe you're just born in the wrong body and you're meant to be a boy. I definitely felt understood in a way just because it felt like it was saying all the right things to describe how it was feeling at the time. Being in more of these chat rooms and stuff, I started to open up about the fact that I was like,

oh, well, I don't really like my chest, or I don't like the fact I would, would got my period at that point. And I was just feeling like generally uncomfortable with like growing up into a woman at the time. I had been like talking in these chat rooms for a couple of months at that point when it started to be people trying to like get me to contact them outside of that

like group setting of the chat room. At first it was normally just, okay, we're gonna still like talk about this stuff, talk about like sexual stuff. And then from there it got to like, oh, well can you send a picture of like one part of your body or another? It got to a point where I eventually did begin sending them naked pictures of myself.

There was an aspect of like also threatening me if I did not continue with this being like, I'm gonna find you, I'll like to find your parents. I did at the time feel like if I did not continue then something bad would happen to those around me. At this point, I was severely depressed. I was having trouble getting up and going to school. I was just constantly anxious and on edge.

I did end up harming myself using a knife on my thighs. A couple weeks after I had had issues with the self-harming thing, my parents ended up seeing some of the messages and were so concerned they did end up getting the police involved. When the police came over, they took my phone, went through everything. I also ended up having to pretty much strip in front of a female officer to look for any signs of abuse and self-harm. At that point, they didn't take me into custody or anything.

I spent pretty much the entire night just having a constant panic attack of hyperventilating and not being able to breathe and crying and curling up in a ball in my bed. From that point, I ended up in outpatient hospitalization. Well, as Luca tries to find comfort understanding what's happening with her of course her parents are hanging in the balance trying to figure out how to understand and as this psychologist and

medical establishment gets involved Luca decides to make a very strong choice about her future. It was only a couple weeks or so into that into that first like outpatient hospitalization that I ended up telling my parents that I was having issues regarding my body and that I thought I was transgender. They They reacted in wanting to be supportive of me, but also at the time very, very afraid because they were told by like the therapist, doctor, and the nurse, they're like, okay, if this is the issue that's going on, you need to like affirm this because would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?

I kind of tried just to downplay the fact I was female, like I would wear the chest spinder and looser clothing and I had my hair cut at the time. my sophomore or high school, send my teachers an email before class starts and be like, I would like you to call me by this name and if you could use he him pronouns, I would appreciate it. That is when I started to go through high school as a boy. I first started hearing about top surgery is similar to chest binding, like in all the like online trans spaces. It's one of the things that is talked about so much. You also have a lot of people posting about it and being like, or like making videos about it and being like, okay, well I got this done and look how like I feel

great after this, this is euphoric, I feel amazing. And so as someone who was uncomfortable with their breasts and was wearing a binder at this point, like consistently almost like eight hours a day or more, I was like maybe this will help. And I had talked about it with my therapist at this point a little bit. And from there she was like, yeah, we could get you into someone in your city that can do this. My therapist had like sessions where I was not there and it was just my parents. They thought that like, okay, well this is, this must be like an established, like, treatment plan in the medical, like, medical world if they're saying that this is okay.

We don't want our kid to like kill themselves, so we're gonna be supportive. So it was during the summer of 2018 in July is when I was 16 years old and I had top surgery or double mastectomy. One thing that I noticed in me was just the complete lack of feeling in my chest, which I, I think it kind of definitely freaked me out at first, but I've been told so many times that this is going to help me that I believe it helped me. The next step from there in the November of my junior year, I ended up starting cross-sex hormones or testosterone. As a result of taking testosterone, I went through male puberty, or the closest equivalent of male puberty that

a female can have. My voice dropped, my skin got a very different texture, my hair got a different texture, my fat on my body redistributed, I grew an Adam's apple, body hair, just all that stuff. I kind of like having a lower voice or I kind of like the fact that I got like a more defined jaw line because it was stuff that at the time it was like, okay well this is helping me pass as male. The next like progressive step I I guess you could say in the transition that most people were going, was like, oh, get a hysterectomy. The doctor that I went to, like, at the gender clinic,

she was very much for it. She was like, yeah, if you want this, yeah, we can get, we can do this. And she made it sound like the simplest surgery ever that there wasn't a lot of health impacts as long as you like left your ovaries. I mentioned it to my parents and they ended up talking with the doctor

and being like absolutely not. It's my honor and pleasure to introduce you to Luca now. Luca, thank you for joining us today. Of course. And I want to thank you for being brave. This is such a sensitive and controversial issue and you're sharing very intimate details that I think are important to this discussion

and it's a conversation we're not hearing a lot about. So I want to thank you for taking that time. So let's just take it from that moment, the moment where your parents decide to, you know, just put their foot down. They've been going along with you, but the hysterectomy just went too far. What was that, what did that feel like for you at the time? I mean, I suppose at the time, it was a bit confusing in the sense of like, well, we've gone along with everything else. what makes this different in a sense because, you know, like my doctors and my doctor's always saying, like, yeah, this is a step we can take. And then you have my parents putting their

foot down. But looking back, I realized that they put their foot down because they actually had all of the information about what this does to a body, especially because I was so young. whereas they didn't have that for anything else, and they were relying on what they thought was well-established science with a lot of evidence. And as you talk about that well-established science, is that, I mean, are the psychologists that are speaking, are they very confident about what they're saying in this space?

And do you have a sense of their background? Like, I mean, this feels like fairly new, territory for psychologists. Are they representing it that way? It was never represented to me as if it was a new thing. It was represented to me as if, oh, this is just like something we do. We have, you know, science to establish this. They talk about it. Similarly, I suppose, when you hear someone who has a very strong belief that something will work. They talk about it like that,

not like people who have mountains of evidence and well-planned-out studies with high-quality evidence. They don't talk about it from that perspective. Because people who actually care about the science behind

it are also willing to accept that what we do have is very low quality and we need more and it will always be changing and we could be wrong. Whereas the professionals in support of this that I've heard speak or I've spoken with, they very much frame it more so in the sense of a belief that this will work. Now, you spoke about, you know, almost like a placebo effect in that having had, you know, the top surgery,

you didn't really have much feeling, but you felt like, oh, this is supposed to solve my problem. so it must be. What was that feeling like? I've watched some of these videos. There is this allation to it. Did you feel an elation and how long did that last? I think for me it was less of feeling elated and a lot more of feeling like a pressure had lifted from my chest.

And when you think about it, that is exactly what did happen. Because, you know, once I had the surgery, I didn't need to bind. anymore. So it really did make it where, you know, if you're crushing your ribs for eight hours each day, of course, it's going to feel like a weight was lifted when you no longer have to do that even, you know, if the surgery was never really necessary to accomplish that in the first place. Obviously, you were young, and part of this conversation is young people really involved in these conversations are having discussions about, you know, sex and what that means. And it seems to be getting younger and younger. How much of this had to do with your attraction and did you imagine

what future relationships would be with you as a man? Or was it more just about yourself? You know, was it more about partnership or was it more about yourself? I think at that age it was very much more about myself. And, you know, I think it's probably like that for a lot of young people because I don't, you know, I don't think 16-year-olds are exactly thinking that far ahead in terms of like, oh, what is my future long-term relationships going to be like? It's, it was very much, oh, if I sort myself out, then I can deal with that. later because I wasn't even in the mindset of processing what that would actually be like at the time.

And in that process, as you were looking at hysterectomy, are there discussions of further, more dramatic surgeries? It was really going through the steps of like, this is what I'm supposed to do. And it hadn't gotten to that part where after the hysterectomy, any other surgeries were discussed. But it very much did go down the line of like, okay, well, I have a flat chest. And so I think that, you know, the next thing for my transition would be, okay, we're going to start hormones. So you pass more as male. And then after that, it was like, okay, we've gotten used to that.

We've kind of sent to it. What's next? Well, what's the next step? The next step is, well, it would be a hysterectomy so that way you don't get pregnant. Just stuff like that. When did you start to question the decisions that you'd made? Was, you know, did it happen slowly or did something trigger it when you started thinking? Maybe this isn't the right path for me?

I would say the first time I really questioned if this was right was very, very briefly the thought popped into my head during the spring of my fresh. year of college, which would have been last year, where it really popped in my head of at the time I had gotten to the point where I was very tired of taking a pill every day in the form of the SSRI as I was on. And so I decided that I really wanted to stop that and lean off of them and then really work on myself and be able to manage it without manage anything I was still dealing with at that point without medication. And, you know, as a part of that, of course, as I'm getting off this one medication, it did slip in my head of like, well, I don't want to be reliant on medication, but I still am

taking hormones every week via injection. And then at that point, you know, end of the semester rolled around. I was still taking testosterone. and I went to go work for the summer. So the whole like stopping it slipped to the back of my mind. After the summer was over, though, I... Some things almost clicked. And I just started thinking more about, well, what do I want my life to look like now?

What do I want for my future? What do I want for my future relationships? What do I want if I want children? And along with that, also realizing just how much I was tied down to a medical industry because of the fact that I, you know, needed a pharmacy nearby to fill this prescription, I had to have the syringes in the sharps container and do make time for this injection every week, even though I at that point hated doing it because it just, it hurt. and it was not, you know, it wasn't making me feel better,

and at that it felt like it was tearing me apart. Can I ask you a question just about the SSRIs that you decided to start getting off of? And we've talked to, I've talked to lots of people for all the different reasons they're taking it. But did those start before you'd made this decision to transition, or did they, were they added on to a part of the program after you made that decision? They were before.

Throughout my teenage years, I had been on several different medications for depression, anxiety at various different doses. But it was before. How did those make you feel? they really blunted out my emotions to the point where I really wasn't feeling anything. Like instead of having any highs or any lows, it was just like a baseline of I wasn't getting excited about things. I wasn't really feeling sad at that point. And, you know, I got to the point where I was like, anything I've gone through, I can't work through these if I don't feel something. some of those emotions and really, you know, figure out where they're coming from and how to help them.

I got tired of just blunting everything out when I really wanted to work on it. And then it got to the point where, you know, around last year when I stopped, I realized there was so much that I was never even given a chance to work on because of how blunting these were to my ability to even feel and process emotions. Would you have perhaps made a different choice in the idea of transitioning if you hadn't been on those drugs? I feel like maybe if I hadn't been on them, I would have at least been given a chance to maybe work through some of what I went through, at least emotionally and really, you know, maybe benefit from therapy. but then again it was almost solely focused on the transition thing anyway. So who knows? Just so I'm clear, you know, that really came from interactions with people online. It wasn't coming from, you know, your teachers inside your school or nurses.

This was something you really found this community online that really started enrolling you in this thought that this was your issue. Is that the correct representation? Yeah. It really took what at the time were. you know, both issues from being preyed upon, but then just also normal teenage insecurities and really, really kind of twisted them into this feeling of you're just a boy trapped in the wrong body or this is, if you even think, if you're even questioning if you're trans, it means you're trans. And so, you know, there's obviously a lot of support when you were thinking about the idea that you might be in the wrong body, you should transition. Is there support when you

start moving the other direction, when you want to detransition? Is there the same level of support that's available to you? No, absolutely not. There is barely any, aside from the few other people who are vocal about it, who will share their experiences for it, or small communities online, that get frequently attacked for even talking about the subject. It's, you know, medical professionals don't know what to do with you. There's no larger really support groups for this. It's a very, very isolating feeling. You know, they were so supportive going one way,

and then the minute you mentioned that you made a mistake or you did, didn't want this or this didn't work. All of a sudden, they don't really want much to do with you. You did some, you started doing research. You started looking at what you'd been through, posting, we've talked about this drug Lupron, which can get a puberty blocker, which wasn't something you did. But what happened when you started posting? Is anyone aware of the science around this and asking questions about what you were involved with? How were you treated when you did that? Yeah, I had posted something that just went through like the side effects of Lupron in other places that has been used and the problems that occurred when it was used. And I posted something about, you know, like the Florida Board of Medicine doing a review of the evidence and something with the NHS.

And I didn't really give my opinion on these either. I just posted them because I was like, oh, well, that's interesting. information you know i thought people would want to have this information um and i got you know that's when a few people were like i can't talk to you anymore or and told me that if you if you keep posting stuff like this you are you are killing trans kids wow and it was at that point that i was like that's but that's not this is just information and everyone deserves to have all of the information and how is me merely posting the side effects of a medication actively being used harming someone and you know that was one of my moments where i was like i i really don't understand why any questioning of this community

is seen like that because, you know, any place you're not allowed to ask questions should be seen as a very dangerous one. I agree. So how long ago did you decide then you back off of the SSRIs? You're getting off of those. And then the testosterone. How long ago did you stop taking the testosterone shots? I stopped taking testosterone in what would have been late September, early October. of so it's been less than here still. Well, Luca allowed us to spend some time with her and discuss some of the issues that are going on

through this phase of her life that is now referred to as de-transitioning. This is what that is all about. Yeah, so since I stopped tea, my acne has gone really bad. I've tried to use, like, concealer on it, and that just made things worse.

So I just kind of have to leave it at this point, along with that, just the general, like, even though I'm off tea, I still have like issues with like facial hair, um, body hair and just obviously my voice is kind of stuck this way now that I'm off tea as well. So also from testosterone, even though I don't take it anymore, I developed an Adams apple while I took it and so that is kind of just there now, I can't do anything about it. The only option would be surgery, which I'm not wanting to look into at the moment.

It's been months since I have officially stopped taking tea. Nothing in my system had restarted yet to make estrogen or anything like that. And so I was essentially going through almost like menopause symptoms of like feeling nauseous, getting headaches. My joints still hurt even off of tea. Physically, it's just a lot of wait and see. Wait and see what will get better. Wait and see what will bounce back versus what we pretty much know is permanent.

I was like, I do kind of want a family someday. Have I ruined my chances of having biological children at 20 years old because of something something I did as a teenager. Looking back, as I do regret getting the mastectomy. I take responsibility for my part in it, but I also can't be the only one. I was a teenager on, like, who had a history of mental health issues at this point, an approach with the idea of like, hey, I want to cut this part of myself off to feel better. And the medical community went, yeah, okay.

It became, no, you're born in the wrong body, there's something wrong with you. and you need to be medicalized to fix this. Like, it was a certain, like, loss of innocence of childhood. You and I both know that we've been trying to figure out if you would be able to do this interview because you really aren't feeling very good at this time. Do you mind sharing with me, you know, sort of what's going on with your health as you're, you know,

sort of going through this process? Yeah. At the moment, and this has been an issue as I've gone off tea and it's getting progressively more apparent that there was damage done while I was on tea and it's like almost been slowly revealing itself the longer my body's off of it. But lately I've been having heart issues where it's just like it's chest pain. It's my heart is beating way too fast or feels like it's skipping at times. then it makes me feel like I might pass out and when that happens it really is a matter of just I need to lay down and I'm almost out of commission for the day. Similarly, similarly, I still deal with, I still deal with joint pain and, you know, I had there

are my days with that too where I'm just, I'm just stuck in bed. I can't, I can't do much. What kind of doctor are you working with and are they, is this like something they do a lot Do they know what they're, do you feel like they know what they're doing? The only doctor I've been able to get into to talk to her about this stuff has been a doctor who essentially is the same kind that I went to when I was on teen. She's someone who specializes in transgender care. And while she's nice enough and has offered to help me, she doesn't really know. how she told me, you know, I really don't know what to do with you.

There's no protocol for this, which is one of those things where that's not reassuring to hear from a medical professional that you came to because your body is falling apart. And in other terms of finding someone else, finding anyone else who's willing to kind of work through the damage done and actually help me has been incredibly hard. I would think that's very scary. I mean, just any health issue, we like to think that there's specialists that really know what they're doing here. And yet this is such a new thing. I guess you're, you know, you're, you know.

I did tell my original physician back in January on a quick Zoom call with her that was supposed to be like my annual appointment. And I told her everything that was going on about my, about how you know this was wrong. I didn't believe I could consent to this at the time about my joint pain. And she essentially told me that she was like, yeah, she'd probably see someone, but also that this was just, this was just part of my gender journey and took almost no care or responsibility in the fact that she was. is one of the people that put me down this path. I mean, someone that you really put a lot of trust in took you, you know, really helped facilitate

a very aggressive path for a child. And then the moment you really seek to have some understanding, they're just not there. What does that feel like? It really does feel like a complete sense of just you've been abandoned by the medical community. They were, you know, the medical community was more than happy to put you down this path where you would have been reliant on them for life. And then, you know, when you come back to them and you tell them, well, I was just a kid.

Why did you? I need help. Why did you let me do this? Can you help me? It turns around into this pain you're going through is just part of your journey. and essentially not much help is given, if any. What has your relationship with your parents been recently? I mean, obviously they tried to work through. They put their foot down on the hysterectomy, and now where are they at in all of this journey? It's still, of course, complicated,

because this whole issue, of course, is complicated, but it's it's getting better having to tell especially my mom about everything probably one of the hardest and like most heartbreaking things I ever had to do because she was someone that did have like vocally had reservations about the mastectomy and was those were essentially quashed by everyone around her out of you know you can't you can't speak up again about this you can't you have to affirm and so having to you know call her and be like i you know i messed up and i i'm sorry you know i had to i had to tell her i'm so sorry you were right i should have i should have listened when you told me to wait or that i was

too young or that someday you know maybe i want to have kids or want my body the way it was. But we're slowly trying to work through everything. And I feel like in some ways it has, you know, brought us closer, specifically for her that she, she has her daughter back now. There's going to be a lot of parents watching, you know, or are watching right now. And do you imagine, is there anything your parents could have done, your mom especially, to move you in a different course? Or do you just feel like this whole thing is stacked against the parents and their ability to intervene? I feel like specifically with how the system is set up now, where it is essentially affirmation only. And parents who question it are, you know, they're shut down or they are, you know, they are.

emotionally blackmailed with the threat of suicide when you know I've I've talked to a lot of parents who have taken a lot of a lot of different approaches to handle these issues with their kids and they all come from a place of love no matter what you know path they take but in terms of what could have really you know helped me I I think, you know, if my parents really would have maybe, you know, shut down the internet access and really kind of, you know, if you're taking one thing away, replacing it with another. So if we're taking away the internet, replacing it with more, you know, like actual quality family time and just making sure I knew I was loved and supported and cared for how I was and that I didn't need. need surgery to change that or anything to change that. And that, you know, puberty is uncomfortable, but you will make it through it.

And I wish that the medical community would have, you know, given me therapy for the issues I actually needed to help with and helped me build the skills to get through those issues as opposed to affirming what could almost be seen as like a disassociation. or maladaptive coping skill of reverting into this identity. So now you're obviously getting, you're getting very active. You're speaking out publicly. You are, you know, doing things like this. We're very appreciative of that.

You know, there's a real push now and very sort of just right now with states, school systems looking at, you know, Even making these, you know, these conversations start younger. We're looking at third, fourth grades, you know, parents that are grappling with their child and secrecy rules where the parents aren't being told that the children being asked about their gender identities. You know, you were 16, which is still very young. When you think about, you know, nine-year-olds, 10-year-olds, 11-year-olds that are now being approached with this conversation, What are your thoughts about that? I think kids should be kids, and they should be left out of this.

You know, they deserve a safe environment where if a kid is having these struggles, that they can, you know, talk through with their parents or an actual professional that is trained, like medically for mental health, not a teacher, about what is going on. and be given a chance to grow up and most likely grow out of these feelings. But at that same time, when you are introducing these concepts to kids, where it very much feels like you are asking them to put themselves in a box, you are in a way killing off a portion of that magical, imaginative exploration that is childhood.

by asking these kids to label themselves, to have to put themselves in such a box, boxes which are often really defined on regressive gender stereotypes of, oh, if you like pink and you like pink and dolls, maybe you're just a girl. And if you, you know, if you're a tomboy, maybe you should be an actual boy. It really is, in a way, ending a sense of China childhood innocence through the guise of being cut. And, you know, obviously parents also shouldn't be kept in the dark about this. I always find it funny that the same people that talk about, you know, if these children are at risk, you know, of either, you know,

severe mental comorbidities or suicidal ideation, why you would almost break your duty as a mandated reporter by keeping that a secret. I think, you know, families need to be involved. Regardless of, you know, really what a child's going through, having that supportive environment where the parents are active in their child's life is very important. And if a teacher is so afraid of abuse happening at home, they shouldn't be keeping that a secret that way either. They need to go to the proper people to report that to so that can get sorted out.

You know, no matter what is happening between, you know, no matter what is going on, there should never be a situation where you have a teacher and a kid going, oh, don't or don't tell, just don't tell your parents, this is our secret. And that throws up so many red flags if that is happening, regardless of what that topic is. You, you know, I've seen you in some of these discussions really getting pushed back from the transgender community, you know, about this idea. And the real conversation right now is, do we give children puberty blockers, keep them from going through puberty so that this decision they've made at a very young age can almost be permanent, you know, and some people will call it medical castration. Why should a child be making a permanent decision? What do you say to those that are in the community that said,

it saved my life, you know, this is, you know, kids will commit suicide if they're not given this control over their body. How do you respond to that attack really from the community that you had sought to join? I mean, I suppose going by point here. In terms of, you know, pausing this, it's not a neutral act. You are interfering directly in stages of development that once your time to go through those stages of development passes, you really can't get that back. It is not a neutral pause button. And from these studies we do have, we also know that it is well documented that the vast majority of young children

dealing with these issues if allowed to go through natural puberty where their brain matures a little bit and is flooded with the correct hormones and their body starts to develop, they will grow out of these feelings and oftentimes maybe we'll just grow up to be gay. We also know I, you know, I'm aware there are people in the community who say that this saved their life. And You know, I do kind of have two responses to that is oftentimes these are people who maybe went through it, you know, let's say 10 years ago when the process was very, very different and they did receive pushback on these feelings. But also, you can say that looking back, but you don't know what would have happened had you been given the chance to grow up without that. you know, you don't know if maybe, like, psychological intervention and waiting would have been the best. Because it is very easy to look back, you know, and say, this saved my life when, you know, the grass is always greener for you still.

Right. And, you know, I also suppose in terms of, you know, children being given this much autonomy, kids are very, very, you know, very, like I mentioned, they are very imaginative. They are very, you know, almost fluid in how they explore the world. And I think cementing a decision a child has at, let's say, like, nine, you know, is really, you are taking such a gamble with both that child's health and their future. And you are making it on their behalf. Because you are the adult. That's, you are the adult. That's. child, you know, regardless of how much they're saying they want something, they cannot understand the long-term impacts of that. And you are taking that gamble. And you know, it's one of those things where if we look back and we all thought about what we were like when we were nine, and imagine having what we wanted at that time cemented into permanent reality, I think we would be living in a very worrying world if we all did that.

that and so it should be just as worrying in these cases. Because I mean, a child really doesn't have a concept of what fertility or an actual, like, loving, committed adult relationship is like. They don't have that concept. They're children. They don't really have the capacity to understand that full concept. You know, they don't understand what, you know, early osteoporosis or any of these other side effects truly mean.

And I think we live in a very worrying world where we have taken the barriers that are necessary in childhood development for kids to push back on and healthily push against to explore themselves. And instead of, you know, keeping those barriers, so kids actually have that room to explore themselves within the confines that they were still children. instead we have taken away those barriers completely and replaced it with a medical industry that can only affirm it's really brilliantly stated and i hadn't really thought about that that it's almost hypocritical in that you're saying let the child explore and then you're locking them into one of

the explorations they took instead of if we're going to be open-minded about let the child explore in and out of their you know the worlds that they're they want to sort of play with his children. It's really important, I think. And I just want to thank you so much for taking this time. And I think this is obviously a conversation that we're also very confused about. And I also want to say that my heart goes out.

It is clear there's a lot of gender dysphoria or however we discuss it, confusion in the space, for whatever that's worth. I think these are troubling times. There's a lot of internet, you know, even in the fact that the internet sort of is making us all alone, we're not interacting as much. I mean, how much is all of those issues coming into play here?

But it's been very helpful and I know it's not easy to talk about the things that you are. You are really, truly courageous in the work that you're doing. And I also wanna say to you, you know, we talk to a lot of doctors, and so I'm going to, to do some research. I even have one coming up here in a minute that I'll talk to, but we're going to see if we can't find someone that is a little bit better equipped to handle what you're

going through and see if we can't help out, okay? Thank you. I appreciate it. All right, Luca, take care, and I look forward to hearing how your journey continues and wish you all the best. All right, you too. All right. Well, Luca's not alone. It's unfortunately not really even anomaly anymore. People trying to get this story that they felt like they were coerced to a decision that they didn't want to make. Parents grappling with their children that are going through this. But there are marches and conferences and things happening. We sent the camera crew out to two events, one out in California,

one out in Austin to ask some questions about this issue. I am a detransitioner. I am an 18-year-old detransitioner. I originally came out publicly with my story in January 2020. while I was still transitioning. I've seen firsthand the horrors that transitioning so young can bring. I came out here to share my experience as somebody who I felt could have avoided this. Our goal overall is to bring awareness to detransitioners.

We've gone through it, we've escaped out of it, and we're exposing the truth of their life. At 15, I underwent a double mastectomy, and my breasts were permanently removed. I wanted to be a mother one day, and if I were to continue, If I were to continue down the path of being a female, I never would be able to do that. I stopped transitioning. I started socially transitioning at the age of 15. Medicalization began at 17 with a very high dose of testosterone.

When I turned 18, my birthday present to myself was cutting off my boobs. I went on testosterone and estrogen blockers at age 17 and then age 19 I had a double mastectomy, but that mastectomy went very wrong. I ended up having massive bilateral hematoma, which is like, pulling of blood underneath the skin and my surgeon he was nowhere to be seen it was just let me take your money let me like you know use a scaffold on you and then I knew in the beginning there isn't going to be any support they claimed to be the good guys but the good guy does not yell at people silent us and give them incredible death threats.

Unbeknownst to me my daughter was being socially transitioning to believing that she was a boy my daughter's school was transitioning socially transitioning her behind my back and she had a teacher who was using male pronouns and a new made up name for her. This was when she was 11 years old. My daughter decided that she was a boy at the age of 13 and I watched my daughter mental health decline significantly when she took on a trans identity. We had a parent that came to us and we had teachers that came to us that they were being told by the administration that Title IX includes confidentiality to lie to parents, telling

these children that they can't trust their parents with this critical issue that they're dealing with in their life. You're undermining the very foundational element of that which nurtures a child. In that moment we say we might be trans, we are automatically affirmed and given a pathway to medicalization and surgeries. Even adult patients who I've talked to, they feel like they were duped into something that they were lied to by the doctors, that they weren't really given the full picture of how transitioning would affect them. Parents are being lied to who are vulnerable with suicidal children and being told that if they don't affirm, medicalize, mutilate and sterilize their child, that that child will kill themselves.

And it's just not true. We're in a society where there's a quick fix for everything. They want to give you a pill for everything. They want to give you a procedure for everything. Most of the kids are on some sort of medications all the times. My daughter, friends group, they're all of them. They're all like popping pills, but an insane pace. The adults in the community were telling them it could be helpful for them to take drugs

that could ruin their end of system and get surgeries that could leave them, you know, with pain for life and incontinence and risk of sepsis. There's no one on the medical side who can help them detransition because this is all an experiment. They don't understand why the detransitioners have pain. They don't understand why things ache. They don't understand why they have incontinence. They don't know. There's also, I think, a huge profit incentive to this and my doctors, none of them really followed up with me

after I stopped transitioning. Gender industry is a $1.2 billion dollar industry. If you have a so-called sex change and you have, for example, a double mastectomy and a phalloplasty, and then another, phalloplastin that are corrective phalloplasty and then maybe you get a little bit of a metadoplasti you're talking quarter a million dollars over the course of uh of 15 years so we'd love to have a transgender patient right this money right in your pocket i want to stop the practice

of medically transitioning and harboring these children we have to get this away from children because children are very impressionable young minds we need actual safeguards this is a gender war or it's a cult and children and mentally ill people are on the front lines, going straight down the conveyor belt to the altar to cut off body parts. This is mutilating otherwise beautiful, perfect young children. We need to stop these procedures for everybody under the age of 18. We have to finally legislatively ban this practice. I do know people who, you know, very well at least believed

that they were going to end their life. They didn't get transitional medicine. medicine. I do feel like if we gave people psychological interventions that maybe we wouldn't be seeing the necessity for the medical interventions whatsoever. They say a woman is, is a Barbie. And what they say a man is is G.I. Joe. And nobody's either of those. We're all in the middle and we should celebrate our differences and never tell a child that everything is wrong with their body. You don't cut all body parts of children when they don't fit right. You teach them

how to live into themselves. We're perverting people's completely normal feelings and their struggles, that their bodies are wrong, that they should change them, and that's not right. We should be teaching people from the get-go, is that you are whole. Nothing will make you whole. You have to find that within yourself. You know, as I watched that video,

some of these, you know, people that have gone through this, you know, gender transition, the parents talking about, about the health implications no one's talking about, you know, aching joints and fatigue and fevers and incontinence and all of these things. And I just think, you know, how little is known about this. And as I was working on this, one of my, you know, favorite doctors out there came to mind Dr. Patrick Flynn, they call him the hormone whisperer. He is the author of I disagree.

And I wanted to ask him some questions, so I'm really psyched to be joined by Dr. Patrick right now. Dr. Flint, great to see you. Del, great to see you as always. Now, I know you've been watching Lucas story and this discussion, and what I find shocking is really, you know, as from Lucas' perspective, how little is known. And one of the things, you and I have been on stages speaking,

you know, all over the country, you've been all over the world. You're very focused on how even more important than vitamins is, you know, hormones, and our balance. And so I really wanted to ask you, you know, what happens to a body when we just inject, you know, a woman or a girl with testosterone, a child, or we, you know, take a boy and inject them with estrogen? Is it just that simple, easy peasy? And now we're just, you know, turn to a different gender. I have to imagine, since you are so, you know, specific about every little

nuance of your hormones affecting your future, what are your thoughts on this issue? Well, to me it's very scary. For the things, because there's a big difference between men and women that comes their hormones. For example, if you just even take a look at the basic science of how hormones are produced and converted, do you understand that the females will have different enzymes in a higher level enzymes to help convert their hormones to other forms? Males have this a little differently, but so they're not at the same level. And to give you example, you know, if you look at just testosterone self, guys can actually handle a certain level of testosterone because what it does is actually produced and then convert to other forms. So they're

meant, their body's biologically meant to take it. And therefore, if it gets too high or too low, there's physical and there's mental things that happened even if boys or men get too high or too low testosterone. It gets even a little bit more devastating what else that comes to women because they have so many more conditions that can happen if they end up with like estrogen dominance or even low progesterone. But the thing is this. they each have different factors that cause them to convert to different forms. And I can give you example. If you look at the normal ranges of just even like, let's say, estrogen for males, if you look at the dramatic increase for women is about four or five times more than a male. A male has

roughly range about zero to 40. And if you look at this way, and take a look at this, it's just a simple research there. You know, sex is a major determinant, once again, of some of the enzymes that we do have. There's great research out there. You can pull up from PubMed and to show that they have much more capability of converting that. Now, if they automatically stick that level of estrogens into a male, their body is not meant to handle it. It can't. It doesn't even have the specific load. I can show you some research.

I just saw what happened to Kelly Klein there where she was in New Zealand. New Zealand actually on their medical, one of their medical websites, they even talk about how these certain enzymes right there, the drug metabolism. If you look, there's certain enzymes you have, and you can see they're called P4F4. 53 or four, it's part of the liver, part of small intestine. But look at six down, look right down. Women have higher levels more activity than men. And what that shows is this. Their ability to convert hormones,

they're ability to convert estrogens, is predominantly much higher with them. So I actually had something that can sit right here, my labs right here, and this drove me absolutely crazy. So I have this hospital, this person had labs sent to me. They have female adult ranges. They have male adult ranges. and then they have transgender ranges.

And this was a male for their estrogen levels. And all of a sudden, I had to call the hospital because I said, listen, I had labs sent down to me by a patient. And all of a sudden, I look and you go, hey, listen, the male estradiol ranges go from roughly 2060. The females obviously go from, you know, 70 to 200. But the transgender for males converting to a female is 100 to 200. How do you determine where are you going to put that value in there?

And they had no other reason. They said this, what they put down on their form when they put male or female, that's where we put their ranges in. And it was interesting. So even though this was a- So the patient's deciding, not doctors, not medicine, not science, it's just whatever the patient's doing and whatever their psychologist has decided to roll with, there you have it. What are the, you know, the health implications of a woman, let's say, having to, you know, much testosterone in their body if that happened naturally which is something you would deal with what are the health implications of that for a woman well two

things take a look at Luca when she was transitioning before look at her skin does you see the acne is you see the changes are in our facial structure but also here's happens you have an increased testosterone like that you're gonna end up with major conditions you're gonna put PSS on top but if you kind of look if those levels get even higher they can double its forms of cancer the sad part of that is this is they're not meant to handle that levels of testosterone. So therefore, they end up with major conditions. But here's the one thing. And here's one thing. I'm going to give you an example of a, this is about 2008.

Don't quote me exactly those. In 2008, I had a young girl that came in, she came with her mother, and she ended up having cystic acne, and she had some excessive facial hair growth. She had some really strong periods. So what happens? I said, listen, let's get your hormones measured. And at this time, I asked her for her past doctor's labs. And of course, we can get into it. They have a very incomplete how to look at both female and male hormones. So we properly tested her. We did a whole rate of test that way. I got them back, and her testosterone levels really high.

Well, what happens to this? We so focused on the physical things that happen. We could see it. And I saw her testosterone levels. We're about, probably about 84, if I remember, which is almost double the range. And I looked there and said, listen, I said, there's physical manifestations that happen with hormones, but there's also psychological ones that happen. And she goes, can you explain?

I said, well, listen, testosterone is a very aggressive, dominant. It actually gives even a male sex drive, everything to that. her mom stopped me and said, can we talk about something? And the daughter's right there. She's about 19 years old. She looks and says, she says, hey, listen, she goes, we're here because my daughter also thinks she's a boy. And I looked there, and I saw the shame come over this young lady, and I looked at her.

I looked her right in the eyes. I said, I got a question for you. You understand that this, what if I told you that you couldn't control it? And she perked up a little bit. I said, do you understand? And hormones by nature are called messengers. Therefore, if you have these elevated messages going to your body, it's going to affect you both physically and psychologically,

and it can change how you view of the world. It can change how you see yourself. It can change how you see the other sex. It can change how you see everything. And actually she started to cry because she realized that she didn't have control over something that was going to abnormal or body. And within three months of getting her hormones back to normal, all of a sudden she came in for a consult.

And I wasn't going to retest her hormones for about six months. And she came in about three months or so, and her mom made a cage as giddy as can be. And my job was not to worry the manifestation happens to get those hormones back to normal, because when you get those hormones back to normal, the skin changes, those period changes, those hair changes. By nature, you're genetically programmed to go back to normal. And if there's wrong messages, guess what? If the messages start to go right, all of a sudden, they're so happy. They sit down and say, doc, doc, doc, guess what?

And she's like, she goes, I now feel like a young woman. now. So I ran her lab straight away. testosterone dropped right back down to normal. And no jokes. It's this day. She's doing fantastic. She's married, has kids now and everything. And that's where when I see these people that actually

are going through this, I have a lot of empathy for them because you know why. Ladies, you know this. Let's say that you just have period cramps or you have some other psychological thing that happens, depression, anxiety, because your hormones are too low or too high. It's not of your

control. It really is. We think that we can control this and then we look at them and go, you know, you're just making a choice. What have I told you that there could be hormonal issues that could lead to these psychiatric issues that could really change how you can view the world and deal yourself? It's been fun, you know, when you speak is a lot of fun to your talks because you just talk about how, you know, we're judging each other a lot and maybe we just need to adjust and take a look at our hormones. And in this case, you have children that are, you know, You have doctors that don't know what they're talking, forcing a total shift on the body.

I just sort of wrap this up because I want solutions. I hate doing stories. You know, Luca is out there really trying to warn children, warn parents, making really important statements about the Internet and watching how our children are being trained in this. But can I ask you this? When you watch the story of Luca, there's obviously this growing body of people now as you watch these rallies that are going on.

that are trying to detransition out of this. Do you, is there a space? I mean, they seem to be up against doctors as saying, we don't know what to do here. Though the story you just told us about a natural girl, I mean, who's naturally out of balance, is there possibly affixing someone that is so totally radically hit their body

with an unnatural charge of either estrogen in a boy or testosterone inside of a young girl? Well, of course, because here's what happens. when you put that level of testosterone into the body, remember, that's to metabolize. That's to convert to other forms. And their organ systems are not meant to deal with that. So really, they don't have the support or the enzymes to do it that way,

so that can be supported and you can see that transition. I would love the opportunity to not only, you know, work with Luca, get her tested properly. Because that's the biggest thing. The one thing I can tell you in all of hormonal health, the sad part is this, doctors do not do the right things to actually even test them. So what they're doing is they're trying to make decisions on them that's incomplete. I can honestly tell you, I have a mother in this studio in our studio right now that dealt with the same thing with their daughter.

And what happens is she wanted to take, they wanted to give her testosterone to transition her. The sad part is this. I'm like, did they ever test your hormones? And the answer overwhelmingly is no. Well, she already had abnormal hormones. So you're going to now give her synthetic other hormones to make them more abnormal. And it's really sad. there's so much help for individuals like Luca, and I would love to have the opportunity

to have a conversation with her. And then, guess what? Show her what can be done, because here's what happens. Even her body, even though they've manipulated it chemically and they've altered it, guys, there's so much hope and there's so much things that can be done because your body wants to be normal. It's been altered chemically. But what if we can support its regeneration?

What if we can support its growth? What if we could normalize those hormones back to level? And we can see those things transition truly back to that. that female state that she belongs. Awesome. I'm definitely gonna connect to you after the show with Luca and you know, you let you sort of take that conversation from there. For people that are interested,

whether it's just in their own hormones out of balance or perhaps they're watching the show right now or they've been handed this show by a friend saying, I know your child is going through this, what's a great way that they could reach out to you and make contact and perhaps, you know, get some proper testing done to see if they can get their lives and their hormones back into back.

balance. Yeah, we have clinics all over the US. Just go to the Wellnessway.com. Find the clinic up there. We have clinics all over. Also, if you ever want to follow my stuff that way, I have a huge Instagram page. It's just Dr. Patrick Flynn. I share information that, and you can see the people debate on it all times as they do here,

and I've been kicked off many of the platforms before, but they always seem to let me back on and share more information, so that'd be a great way to actually for people to follow. All right, Dr. Flynn, thank you for taking the time. Very enlightening. and I love that you're out there, you know, helping people through all sorts of issues around their hormones. So take care. Hormone whisperer. I'll see you out there in the talking circuit.

I'm soon, I'm sure. So take care. Thanks for joining us. You bet you. Thanks, Del. All right. So to sort of like, you know, close out this discussion, I think, you know, we've gone through a lot of different parts of it, you know, transgender in sports and women's rights. And then what happens if you've made this decision?

But now, you know, when we think about the child, which is I think the part of this that we're all the most sensitive about. You know, I have a daughter that's nine years old. I have a son that's 14. We are fairly in control of their environment. We started our own school. We didn't like where it was going during COVID. But I know so many of you out there are trust in the school system you're in. You're busy.

I get it. You know, there's only so many fires we can put out in a lifetime here. But imagine that you find out that maybe your kindergarten or first grader, maybe even fourth grader, was, they read this book in school. This is one of those, and we've seen it all. I've seen the, you know, the protests at school board meetings. And here's just a couple experts. But this is basically, let me just, just the idea is this is a story about a little girl that's born

and she thinks she's a boy. And, you know, some very, you know, it's sweet but confusing art. There's even a boy in here that sees himself as a boy that's wearing a dress all around. So it's all sort of thrown up in the air, at least from what, you know, storybooks used to have in it when I was a child. But here's just a couple of excerpts. So you just get a sense of what is being read to some children in this country in their schools. When a baby is born, a grown up says it's a boy or it's a girl. If a brand new baby could talk, sometimes that baby might say, no, I'm not.

When a baby grows up to be transgender, it means that the grown up. who said they were a boy or girl made a mistake. And in this case, it really points out the parents later on as they find their way in this book. My mom and dad talked to my teacher, and we found a group for kids like me, boys and girls and kids who weren't boys or girls. All of us were transgender. We talked about serious things like bathrooms and teasing. We also talked about fun things like video games and books and toys. I don't know what our parents talked about, probably the same things.

not necessarily, you know, and I think that that's what's at the heart of this. Where is the appropriate time? And sure, there's always these issues where there's children, some, you know, small group of children going through difficult, confusing times. God knows what's happening inside their households. But what about the majority of children that wouldn't really be thinking about this at all? One parent did find out this book was read to his young daughter. in school and he's doing something about it.

This is him in a school board meeting. You see what you created? I'm talking all of you up here. You guys created this. I just wanted to know what was going on with my kid beforehand. That's it. See the spectacle? And I feel no shame in standing for what I believe in.

And I'm here today because my rights as a parent were taken from me. No matter your position, I think we can all agree that schools need to include parents before teaching things other than basic education. I came to CVUSD in the past and voiced my concerns only to be brushed away like I meant nothing. There was no inclusion then, there's no inclusion now. I'm not sure how or why you would think that an eight-year-old could understand what transgender even means.

In fact, that six-minute video only confused my daughter more. I wonder if Maple considered this or if you had. You discuss inclusion in one breath and in the other you exclude parents. That makes no sense. Ladies and gentlemen of the board, you've made it abundantly clear to people in the Canoe Valley that you will continue to pursue questionable subject matter without parental inclusion.

It's unacceptable. As you see this evening, this community is mobilized to stand up for parental rights. You created a false narrative of hate. I don't hate anyone out here, by the way. I just want you to know that. In fact, I think I could honestly say I love every person in this community. I don't care what sex you are. I don't care if you're trans.

are not. This is not about hate. This is about love and inclusion, which you seem to keep forgetting about. The parents' right to decide what's best for their child must always be a part of any school policy and a fundamental part of our educational system. These are our kids, not yours. I've told you that quite a few times. Don't forget that. I'll be in the hallway here if anyone has any questions, and we could have an open conversation about this. I'm joined now by Steve. I'm joined now by Steve. Steve Schneider. He is actually suing Cunejos Valley School District for violating parental rights. Steve, thank you for taking the time to join us today. Thanks for having me.

Look, when I hear about this story, especially in liberal media, it's like you're out trying to kill gays, you're trying to book burn, right? Which is amazing and there's an irony to that but when we watch you speak you're doing and i think speaking about this the way i'm trying to today which is we have to be involved in the conversation we have to be able to find a way to have an open conversation and you feel like you were robbed of that opportunity explain why you know i think as parents we need to approach situation especially with young children um seven eight years old and this situation that affects my family um we need to approach us as parents and be willing to entertain ideas from both sides.

In this case, you're villainized immediately if you speak out against their narrative. And that's out of fear on their side. What initially got this whole thing started last year for me and my family was when that book was read to my daughter, we were completely put out. So that way, we weren't included in this. In fact, unless my daughter had said something, we would have never known that this was read to the classroom. And, you know, everything that fell in line from that day forward was one extreme to the next

to the point where, you know, myself and other parents involved, said, how is this going from a simple discussion to, you know, protests? It just really didn't make sense initially. Right. And what was the reason given for reading the book to a group of children at that age? So one of the children coming back from the winter break, I guess there was one child that transitioned. These are seven and eight-year-old kids in the third grade had transitioned from a girl to a boy. And rather than just a quick discussion or a million of other ways that could have handled it, they decided to play a video of a transgender child reading the book called Me Max.

and in their perspective, this was to promote inclusion within the classroom, but it led to a lot of other things. It's a very confusing book. I mean, like I said, you know, you are suggesting this is a girl who sees herself as a boy, then is out playing with a boy that's wearing a dress, but the boy sees himself as a boy, but loves wearing dresses. And so it's this whole, you know, space of, I suppose, acceptance in a way, yet I keep, as a father and, you know, questioning, you start wondering about, you know, grooming. Is there a grooming going on? Is there removing a child? These are such susceptible minds to any thought you give them. Can I ask you this? Is sex ed being taught at that age in your school? Sex ed comes in around the seventh grade, and I mean, that's a whole other topic.

I mean, the sex education program, it's horrifying. I mean, if you've Googled the gingerbread man of sexuality and some of the other photos, photos depicting men that can become pregnant, it's kind of taken a turn that's so inappropriate. It's definitely not age appropriate, and the school districts seem to believe, that this is the path that should be taught this is what our children should be learning you know you're generally supposed to be given the opportunity to pull your child out of you know to opt out and in most cases you are in the instance that happened with the last year we weren't even given the proper

notifications ahead of time the links that were provided by the school district didn't work and when one parent spoke up about it the superintendent the school, his name is Mark McLaughlin, he had said that she had clicking problems. You know, if you're at the top of a school district and a parent approaches you with a legitimate concern, the last thing you should try to do is call them out and try to make them seem unintelligent or that they're in the wrong. You know, leaders accept responsibility for their actions and admit to their faults and find a way to fix things. So tell me about your lawsuit. You're bringing a lawsuit. You know,

We got in contact with you through Amy Bond and Perk, who we've teamed up with that I can to get into some of the issues we cover a lot around vaccines, forced vaccinations. Why the lawsuit? Why go that far? You know, we were left with no choice. In the beginning of this, when that book was shown to my daughter in the classroom, there was a lot of pressure on my daughter.

In fact, some of the kids in her classroom really pushed a narrative that was extremely hard on my child socially. They wanted her to shave her head. They wanted to all dress like boys. And this is something that's not leaving our schools. It's here. And a lot of groups are pushing into the schools with their idea of what's best for my children.

Well, you know, my kids are gonna stay in public schools. I can't afford to send my kids to private. And this lawsuit is the one way that I could hold to my oath as a father my children to make sure that I can protect them. And it only goes so far when your kids come home. You check their social media. You stay involved. But you really got to focus in on what's going on in school these days because there's wild teachers out there doing some crazy things. But fortunately, we have a few good ones in this district that are still remaining.

Do you feel like a minority in this conversation? Because it sure seemed like a lot of the crowd there was behind you and you came out of the school, a lot of cheering. But you are in a lot of California, I think Newberry Park are in that area somewhere around there. So what's the climate like there on this conversation? You know, I almost think at times it's 50-50. Sometimes I think we outnumber them, but there's a whole bunch of people out there that support us quietly, and I have to assume that the same is for the reverse or the other side. What you didn't see in that video is the majority of people that were off-camera outside,

And there was a substantial amount of them as well. And they're active in the community. But the reality is, I don't think that they represent the transgender community to the fullest. I mean, the reality is I took a deep dive and learning more about this community because I knew nothing about it. And these are just activists. And they're there to cause problems and shake things up and they want to push as much as they can. But the transgender community that people that I've met, like Scott Nugent, from what is a woman, one of the most amazing resources and become one of my greatest friends along the way.

And the majority of people just want to be left alone and live their lives. But these people want to push it on my family and other families in this community. I wonder as I look at this, that it, my concern is that it has the potential of having a backfire effect, which is where we are working towards trying to be more inclusive, more understanding that there are people going through all sorts of different things when they start. start interjecting this, forcing people like yourself to bring lawsuits, creating places where, you know, we're getting sort of a more volatile conflict that it's forcing a battle where we shouldn't have a battle and forcing us to take very strong sides when it seems the goal

should be trying to find some unity here in a way that makes sense for everybody. Does that make sense? It absolutely does. The first time I went to the school board, I had told you had to fill out a blue card, you got to put your information, a phone number, and I made it very clear to the school board, as well as to Mark McLaughlin, that I raised the concern of what happened at Maple Elementary School and that I would like a phone call and that we could talk this out. And I never, you know, it fell on deaf ears. I never received a call. Nothing happened. And ultimately, that's what led to a local newspaper running the first articles because there was no communication with the schools. This matter probably could have been resolved. And in the beginning, I said,

we could have made something really beautiful happen when people can communicate and come up with a solution to a problem. That's what parents do. Yeah. Do you have advice for parents out there? Or is there, you know, as you're getting to be sort of a face of this discussion, certainly we're all about solutions here. What do you see? What are the solutions for parents that are watching this around the world? You know, for the viewers watching today, I think that right now you could jump on your phones. You could one look into Perk. Perk is doing some amazing things.

They have some fantastic resources that are going to help parents. And they're in the fight big time. And that's why I went with them. Along the way, Amy Bond has been fantastic with helping me step by step. with that I think that if you believe you're not this isn't happening your school district you need to pick up your phone you need to Google like indivisible and then keywords your community your city on there and look up unity along with your city if you put those keywords in you're gonna see groups in your schools

and those are the ones in my community that are trying to affect what's happening with with our with our children one person in particular would like to actually point out her name is Megan Goebel and she sits at with she's part of the school district on the LGBTQ district advisory excuse me district advisory council and she helps write policies for the transgender LGBTQ whatever you want to call it within my community now this is a woman who has a transgender six-year-old and I don't believe her values coincide with mine,

but yet she's the one sitting at the top, unwilling to have a conversation with parents, and it's going to be her way and no one else's way. So these are problems that are affecting everyone in the United States and in your own communities, you will find that these people are there. Do you, when you've looked at you're deep in this, is there a deeper agenda? I mean, you know, what are your, what runs through my mind?

Is this really just about accepting a group of people or is there something else going on? Certainly it feels like it's when we look at these secrecy laws we're looking at, I know Perk is fighting to keep that from happening in California, but it feels like this is a part of trying to create an excuse for reasons we tear children away from their parents and make them see their parents as being out of touch and wrong, along with vaccines, gendered discussions. all this feels like an attack on the family. Does that the sense you're getting? Yeah, you know, I can't argue it

because there's no other logical reason why this would be happening. You know, if you have somebody on the other side of an issue that's unwilling to hear you, they're not there for a conversation. They're there to push whatever it is they want. And, you know, you can break this down and look at this as a monetary value.

How much is each child worth to the pharmaceutical companies over the course of their lifetime. I mean, will these children who transition be able to be removed from hormones once they transition? Does that mean that's a subscription service that our health care providers or that our health insurance companies are going to have to pay for these hormone shots throughout the rest of your lives? I heard one statistic that each child that goes on hormones is worth about $1.5 million over the course of their lifetime, I'm just pharmaceutical drugs. So, I mean, we could look at it from a lot of perspectives.

I don't want to go into any, you know, of my theories regarding it. What it really comes down to is parents being involved and, you know, community standing up. And at this point, it's all or nothing. Parents need to get involved. We need to look further into what's going on in our schools. And we need to show up to school boards. And we need to ask the difficult questions. We need to force the difficult conversations.

conversations and we need to do it with an open mind and an open heart because you know me and the rest of my community we're not we don't hate anybody you know this is not about hate this is about love we love our children we know the other parents love their children as well and we're still here sitting waiting to have this conversation and come up with something amicable but the reality is we're going to be waiting a while on that Steve, I want to thank you for being such a considerate and thoughtful voice in this space. It's really important that we keep composure. You're doing a brilliant job at that. I think it's important that we do, Sue, that we do push back and say, we're not having this.

We've got to, you know, if that's what it takes to get a conversation, I think that's the right move. So we stand behind and support your desire to have a very important conversation, not just in your school, but in schools across this country and I would assume the world is dealing with this. So thank you for taking the time to enlighten us on what you're going through right now. Thanks for having me. All right, take care. You can visit Perk's website. My understanding is they have some recommendations and things that you can go through if you want to look at these issues around your schools and dealing with your children. So definitely check out the work that they're doing there. They're on top of it. I love Perk. We've teamed up with them many times with ICANN. Just a great

great group of thoughtful individuals, as I know, you know, we all should strive to be. As I close this out, I think for those of us that think, oh, it's not going to get to us, we found a training video, and this is a video that I think is probably popular. I'm sure there's many like it. Training doctors on how they're supposed to talk to your child when you are not in the room. I think this is important. You should know this is happening so that you can, you know, have the kids. conversations with your child before they find themselves in this conversation.

I wanted to ask you a question. I'm asking all of my teenage patients this. I had your mother step out of the room because what we discuss here is confidential and private, but as your parent, she is able to look at your medical record for whatever we put on there. Okay. So what we discuss here, we can just talk about it and there are certain parts that if you want me to just make note for myself then I will make that note, but otherwise it will be in your record and if it's asked for, they will have access to that. So I want to ask you about your gender identity. Are you comfortable having that conversation right now? Sure. All right. Would you say that you identify as a boy, girl, transgender, or non-binary, or maybe some other gender?

Actually, I don't really identify as a boy or a girl. I know some people look at me and think I'm a boy, but it doesn't really bother me. Awesome. I'm glad it doesn't bother you. That's really good. So for our system, I'm going to go ahead and put other if that's okay with you. Because I feel like from what you're telling me, being specific about girl, boy, transgender, or non-binary doesn't fit. Is other okay? Yep. All right. And we can have further conversation about your gender identity if you'd like now or maybe at another time, but we can talk more about it to help you kind of navigate what that looks like for you. Okay, that sounds great. It might be different the next time I come in to talk to you.

Awesome. Sounds good. In this scene, the clinician did several things well. First, he politely asked the adolescent patient's parent to leave the room so he can can have a private conversation with the patient. Second, he made sure the patient knew that although their conversation is confidential, any information in the medical record could be read by a parent. He also asked the patient for permission to put the information in the medical record. Finally, the clinician was supporting and affirming with the patient.

You know, I watched that video and there's so many different thoughts, and I will tell you, We've been really investigating this conversation for some time. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Even though I know we've dealt with a lot of different issues here, there's so much to this conversation. What I want to say to you, though, is as Steve Snyder said, we can't disengage from this. We can't stick our heads in the sand.

And I also want to recognize that I see the difficulty here for the establishment, whether it's schools or hospitals. There are children that are being raised in horror. households with terrible parents that do terrible things and don't handle conversations well at all and drive their kids. They do all sorts of issues with their own mental health and what is an establishment group supposed to do if it's not for the school looking out for that child who can who is going to be able to throw up that red flag if it's not that school nurse or doctor that can

step in you know there are clearly sensitive issues here and what we have got to to realize the healthy parents, the majority of this nation in the world that care about our kids, have loving communication, is that these systems are designed in many ways for that, that abrant lowest common denominator, that family that is handling things very inappropriately. I don't know, we've gotta be at the table

to have these conversations. These are important conversations. And the high wire, what we're trying to do is show as much as we can all sides of this, because it's not just one issue. It's just that we can write off that child that really is confused, really is scared, is going through something,

whether it's a chemical imbalance or something happening in the house, just like the work that we do here cares about that, you know, maybe smaller group of kids that are being hurt by vaccines and people being hurt by vaccines. We can't also just look the other way on children that are being left all alone

in a very scary place where for some reason they're questioning who they are, what is going on. But I will say this. I think it's our job, the healthy families, those of us that are in that space, to prepare our children to know how to handle when the establishment is going to come at them with an issue that is not theirs. And we also have got to get involved. We've got to get on school boards. We've got to start running for city council. We've got to get involved. We've got to get involved. involved in this process because folks, it is closing in on us from all sides. A lot of this is not being handled right. And the biggest problem that I see in this country, especially as I see us as sort of a beacon of light and truth for the world, is that we're not being allowed to have

a full conversation with all of the conversation on the table. We should not be allowing one group of people to dictate what we're allowed to say and what we're not. We are all emotional beings. We are all intelligent in beings. I believe in humanity when it's allowed to communicate. We must get back to communication. We must end the censorship of those who do not agree with us. Or we will truly lose what is special about humanity. We will lose our freedom. We will lose our liberty. It is only in standing, truly in what America has in this First Amendment right to speak our minds and be heard by each other. That means I have to accept you and give you your moment to express yourself and then you have to take the moment to let me express myself and let's see

what we can agree on, what we disagree on, and then be able to find a balance in a way forward. It is possible. It's why we're still here as a species, but if we keep inviting governments to come in and fix this stuff for us, we're going to be in a whole lot of hurt. This is the high wire dealing with sensitive issues at the very best we can for all of you. I hope we've handled this in a way that was acceptable. Certainly look forward to your comments. We will, I'm sure, be covering more of this issue in the future and others like it because these are the moments that are affecting our lives. This is the world that we live in, and I believe we can make this world a better place. We can be better communicators, and that's what we're striving to prove on the high wire. I'll see you next week.