The Highwire with Del Bigtree - MAN HEALS AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE WITH RAW FOOD

Episode Date: September 4, 2022

After decades of debilitating gastrointestinal issues, Max Kane, discovered the incredible health benefits from consuming raw dairy, specifically kefir, and made a complete recovery. He’s since founded FarmMatch.com to connect consumers directly with farmers, and hosted the Farm Fresh Food Event to bring together like minded people to discuss organic, mindful food.#MaxKane #FarmMatchBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

I have talked about Max Kane. We have discussed and had him on the show talking about the farm work and farm match and the things that he's doing. But I think it's important to understand his personal story. Why is it he cares so much about organic farming? Well, the truth is because it saved his life. He may not be alive today if it weren't for farmers like Amos. And this is Max's story. I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago.

I was really active as a young child. I was out running the neighborhood with other children. I was just 10 years old and when out of the blue I started experiencing just this terrible burning sensation in my upper abdomen and it lasted for three days straight. Then the pain went away and I was just about to turn 11. Then the pain come back and except this time it never went away. my skin started becoming kind of pale white. And then I started experiencing joint pain as well.

My elbows, my knees, my shoulders, my hips just started feeling really chronically in pain. So I went to a family practitioner and at the time my parents were getting divorced and she thought it had something to do with emotional pain. So I kept going back to her over and over. And after about a year after seeing her, she sent me to the University of Chicago. for them to scope me. They found 34 ulcers throughout my small bowel in the duodenum and the rest of the small bowel. The inside of my GI track was totally ulcerated. They diagnosed me with degenerative Crohn's disease. There was no cure to it, no known cause, and because it affected

me in an area where it was degenerative in my small intestines that I could expect to die somewhere in my mid-30s. I broke down and I started crying in the doctor's office. They put me on three different medications immediately. I was put on 2,000 milligrams of an anti-inflammatory drug, and then they had an antibiotic and it's a very strong steroid called prednisone. And they put me on 60 milligrams a day, and 60 milligrams of prednisone a day is a high dosage for a full-grown adult. So if you can imagine a young child that weighed 69 pounds,

that's a very high dosage. And over the course of 10 years, I saw six different G7, specialist in five different hospitals. I was in and out of the hospital several times. There would be times I would be convulsive vomiting. I wouldn't be able to stop vomiting. I would lose weight very quickly. I would get rushed to the emergency room. Even though I was really skinny and thin I had this big fat face. I was holding all this water and the medications never really fully help. I was in my mid-20s. You know I was very close to death. I was emaciated. There wasn't much joy and action in my

life. One day I'm on the way to Walgreens to get my prescription filled and at the time someone really close to me in my life was using heroin on a daily basis and I was watching how the heroin and their behavior was just destroying their life and taking it in a dark direction. You know I was giving them all this advice on how they how they could take charge of their life and make change and make a difference. As I was driving into the drive-through I felt like I was the drug user here My drug dealer was Walgreens and I immediately saw how I wasn't taking action toward my own health and that was the turning point in my life I started attending lectures and seminars. I read this book that talked about making raw

Kaffir this this dairy product that was consumed raw by these this old ancient tribe of people in the Caucasus Mountains I read that Kaffir could not only help with Crohn's disease but digestive issues for in general. Up until this point, every time I had a meal, I would eat or drink anything, even sometimes water, I would experience pain. The first time I drank kaffir in the kitchen, it went down smooth in my digestive track and there was no pain. And so right away I thought, wow, there's something here. I can live on this stuff. I do live on it. I thrive on it. It's illegal to sell raw milk in stores is because it's not pasteurized. There was only three certified organic goat farms at the time when one was in Wisconsin. And so I had to drive

up there every week and buy fresh raw goat milk from them right from the farm and I would take it home and make kaffir out of it. And I started feeling better. It was less than the year I met this nutritionist Jim Marlow who started coaching me on not only consuming raw dairy products, but eating an all raw food diet. And I remember the first time I ate raw salmon, it was very similar to the first time I had the kaffir. There was no pain, there was no burning sensation. I decided at this point, I was inspired to stop taking all my medication. And I stopped the pentazid, the prednisone, everything, just cold turkey.

And it was about a year after driving up to Wisconsin that I decided that I wanted to move up there. Surrounded by all these beautiful organic farms in this farming community. When I was 12 years old, I was told that I wouldn't live past my mid-30s. 30s and now at the age of 45 I'm experiencing life to the fullest. I'm healthier now than I've ever been in my entire life. I've been asymptomatic and off medication for about 17 years now. As long as I continue to live a healthy life and make healthy decisions with regards to where I live, the air I breathe, the water I drink, the food I put in my body, as far as I'm

considered, I'm going to be living disease-free for the rest of my life. Well, I want to give a caveat before I had this conversation because, you know, I'm not a doctor. This is a show that investigates medical issues, and we interview people that have sometimes really radical perspectives and treat their lives in a radical way. This is one of those people. And so take this as you will. I am not recommending this to you. The show is not responsible for what Max Kane is about to tell you, but I will tell you I find him fascinating. I love people that use their own life as an example, so it's a complete and total honor to be joined right now.

Thanks for having me, Del. You, Max. You know, you were getting emotional while you were watching that piece. What was it that was sort of getting you? Oh, man, you're going to get me crying here. It just brought me back, you know, watching that piece just brought me back through the past, all the suffering in my life and everything that I did to overcome it. And it's just a very emotional story for me.

I mean, I live through it, you know. Someone else might, you know, you watch a beautiful movie and you emotionally, you know, I'm the one who lived this movie. Yeah. So I have an invested interest in being emotionally attached to it. It's no way to unattach myself, you know, but thank you for putting it together. Well, I mean, thank you for sharing that story. It's an incredible story. And, you know, there's, I think, so many details to it.

But just getting down to sort of raw goat's milk, okay? What, you know, there are people watching this show right now. Crohn's disease used to be super rare. And I remember, like, honestly, when I first heard about it, it was like an issue for Ashkenazi Jewish men. I mean, it was like literally that specific. Now we have babies with Crohn's disease. I've done some looking at, you know,

what are vaccines having to do with so many different things could be contributing to it. But, you know, issues like this, issues with, you know, the intestinal system, you're on all of these drugs, yet you go to sort of raw dairy or ghost milk. So what is that about? Like, what is the mechanism behind that at all? Yeah, well, that's a great question. You know, the body is like, it's so vast and there's so much that's undiscovered in the body that we still don't know about it, even with regards to all the advantage. we've made in technology and things.

And it has something to do with the cost of conversion. So we all know what tax is, right? You know, you pay your, there's some kind of a tax. Someone needs to write the book called the digestive tax or something like that. Okay. There's some kind of cost of conversion that our body has to go through to take the food we eat and turn it into our eyelashes, our bones, our skin. And it has something to do with the enzymes in the food

and preserving those elements. preserving those enzymes and helping levy a smaller digestive tax because when we eat these processed foods that are just almost impossible for us to actually convert into body tissue our body is taxed very heavily on that process and it takes resources from our organs from our bones from all of our enzyme our internal enzyme bank account i mean enzymes are the name that the science industry calls the the mechanisms that convert like it looks like it looks at little if you can imagine the little elves in our body that are doing all the work that we're not paying attention to they call them enzymes but there might be different sources of energy and forces and molecules in there that are doing work that we're not aware of so i like to even talk beyond enzymes but it has something to do with that tax that conversion of how we convert food into our body and for my particular situation my body doesn't work on processed food so whether whether that means my enzyme bank account is low or whatever

it does but when when I eat foods that are fresh and raw and minimally processed or processed in a healthy way like the way kaffir is processed my body just thrives what was your diet like as a kid was it particularly bad I mean well it one looking back I'm saying it was bad at the time maybe I didn't think it was bad because I was just eating kind of the standard American diet they they call it the sad diet SAD standard American diet I call it the anything goes diet because I had no nutritional integrity. So I just, a lot of cereal, a lot of pasteurized dairy products, candy at every Halloween, lots of candy, you know, treats, cookies, you know,

there was just no nutritional integrity. There's no thought about, hey, what's the purpose of why we've been eating in the first place? You know, there's no thought on, you know, this food is actually nourishing me. It was all about taste, price, and convenience. And that was basically the diet I grew up on. Why is it someone like you has such a severe reaction to that? Because I mean, and then yet other people like, I'm feeding my kid, you know, all that stuff, and they're doing just fine, you know?

Like, how do you explain that? Or I'm sure you've had a lot to think about that. Like, why am I different than other people? I personally believe I receive two MMR vaccines. So I believe it's my belief that the vaccines destroyed my immune system, made it really hard for my body to be able to handle outside toxins, outside processed molecules, whether it's food or anything like that, that my body has a hard time responding to that in a healthy immune way. So in order to kind of compensate for that,

I have to eat a really, really high diet of robust enzymes and nutrients and all those vitamins in the soil that you were talking about in the Amos Miller piece. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's what my body thrives on. And I think everyone's body thrives on those. It's just that other people that maybe can get away with a process diet for a longer period of time, they don't feel the effects right of way. But eventually down the road, it is going to catch up with them. But like what you mentioned, I mean, autoimmune disease, Crohn's disease, it's all like, it's skyrocketing. You know, so it's not like our health is all of a sudden getting better. So I believe that looking toward the future of our species here on planet Earth, people are going

either have to start changing the way they eat or they're going to lose the ability to reproduce. You know, on this show, because, you know, I'm here every week, I had a big health issue, you know, a year ago where I didn't show up and there's lots of questions. I've been very honest with my audience that I ended up having, you know, hemorrhoids and other issues that I'd been ignoring. But going through the process, and I almost died. Like, shockingly, no one would think you can die from hemorrhoids. And, you know, it's such a, you know, it's such a weird thing. I made headlines. There's headlines about my hemorrhoids like, you know, anti-vaccine guy almost dies of hemorrhoids or whatever. So you know you've made it when your

hemorrhoids make hemorrhoids. But through that experience, I had, you know, obviously I had endoscopy, colonoscopies, and I found out that I was just, just inflamed, you know, through my entire body precancerous issues and things like that. And so I have gone through a really huge adjustment to my diet and working with a health coach through that, amongst many other things working out, taking better care of myself. But there's things that I was accepting, like heartburn almost every night, you know, just like, oh, I get heartburn when I, you know, when I eat popcorn with the kids, I get heartburn from this, you know, and I had all my different, you know, whether it's like natural things, usually drinking lots of water when my heart, you know, when my chest is burning

or I got that, that thick feel on my throat. And now I'm like, you know, if I get heartburned, And I'm like, oh my God, I'm totally moving the wrong direction. Like, that is a serious distress signal in my mind. I've got a volcano going on that is going to lead to huge health problems. And I think about how many people, when you see these ads, like take Prylosek, like take a drug to hide the fact that your body is screaming at you, you're dying down here. And in your case, filled with ulcers throughout your system. I had a few and things that sort of had to be removed. Well, that's how our body communicates to us.

I mean, it communicates through symptoms. And that's one of the, there's a lot of good work that the medical profession does, so I'm not here to totally bash them, right? But if you look at the structure of the medical paradigm in today's the world, it's a very like enabler kind of mindset. It's like a disease enabler, learn to live with disease, ignore the disease, ignore the symptoms, take this pill, continue with whatever lifestyle you're living that's causing this in the first place. It's not, I don't like the word sustainable, but it's not a sustainable way to move forward with our species. It just isn't because we have to take responsibility for what we're doing, especially to ourselves, right? Yeah. And, you know, it's as real as gravity.

I mean, there's no way to avoid it. If you want to, you can, but you're going to end up dying early or suffering in pain. Absolutely. So let's get into some specifics about you. I said, you know, I would, I hope you don't. mind the word radical but you you know like you live a you live in a very you know radical way in some ways I've said when I had my family on the show there are things that I do with my life that it's not to be brought up in this show I'm not

gonna tell other people to do it there's a lot that leads me to how I live my life as that's true for you but you start out on this journey with raw goats milk and raw milks but you don't eat anything cooked anymore is that correct about maybe 1% of my diet is cooked okay or maybe less than 1% okay but I did go on an exclusive all raw diet for about five years. And then after five years' time, I was wondering, like, what would happen if I ate some cooked food?

What would that experience be like? So I'm now at a point where I like to, I got my health just thriving, and I like to experiment on myself and kind of what, not with junk food. I'm, I know there's no more junk food in Canada. I already know, but sometimes I like to experiment and say what would happen if I ate this cooked and just kind of see what happens with my body.

But it's pretty rare because I've had just some, such a Marvel experience with, I don't know what to call it, like a more of a carnivorous, omnivorous-based raw food diet than I thought, like, why really change? And to be clear, like, we went out to dinner when I was at your farm, and I think would you order three rib-eyes, raw? We found out you have a restaurant there that was like. A lot of restaurants, you know, they say that raw meat and raw, all this stuff is unsafe, but I found, I've gone out to eat plenty of times where I just say, hey, you know, I've got this

medical situation going on. I eat all raw food. I'll sign a waiver if you want me to. And nine times out of ten, the restaurants will serve me raw meat. Do you eat raw chicken? Yeah. I've had raw chicken at a restaurant. And David, David Gumpert wrote a book called the Raw Milk Revolution. And he wrote, I was eating with David Gumpard, this journalist. And he wrote about this story in the book where I'm going out to a restaurant with him. And they served me raw chicken from Joel Salatin's farm, Pollyfeus Farm, who had supply. So what is the thinking behind that? I mean, we talked about enzymes and, you know, why,

you know, and by the way, you know, there's other people that disagree with you and very much that when we were at your farm, which we'll talk about in a minute, not everyone agrees with raw, you know, you should cook it in order to break it down, but what is your theory around what's happening with raw food that cooked food is not delivering, a cook steak or cooked chicken? It has something to do with the cost of conversion. Like if you were to, if you were to, if you were to slice your leg or your arm open, you're like raw meat inside you, right? So if you're going to build a wooden table, what would you use? A pile of wood or a pile of metal?

Well, if you use a pile of metal, you'd have to perform some kind of rumble-stilled skin magic to turn the metal in the wood before you would build the table. So it has something to do with the conversion of the new, because when you chew, you're talking about these nutrients that you swallow are going to get broken down to their smallest particles and so they're going to get deconstructed if you can imagine deconstructing Legos into each little individual leg then some kind of life force whether their enzymes or whatever it is are going to have to take those little tiny Legos and reconstruct them back into your kidneys your pancreas your spleen

and so it has something to do with you know a cooked piece of food coming in and the enzyme having to work that cooked piece of food back into its raw state before it can rebuild it because it's not just going to to take the cooked particle and make a pancreas or your skin or whatever because we're not cooked individual. We're cooked, you know, we're raw beings. Yeah. So it has something to do with that conversion of being able to convert a material of cooked

material into a material of raw material. And it's a, no one's really figured out like the science of why that is. Whoever does would probably do humanity a great service, but no one's, I don't think they put the money and research into it. And so you go to farmers like Amos who was on. Amos is delivering food through these, you know, food co-ops and groups and private membership organizations. You want all of the bacteria and enzymes that are happening in the way. I mean, not a ton of you don't want it like dropped in the street, but you want that as a part of your diet. Is that like when you see his issue, like processing through a plant where they're going to put citric acid on or something?

So is that killing enzyme? Is that affecting enzymes? Absolutely. And we've come to this point of this better living through chemistry. Everything must die. More bleach, more bleach, more bleach is the solution. And it's catching up to us. It's hurting our immune system. It's hurting our bodies. So the way Amos processed meats, I've been to his farm, I buy food from him. I've been buying food from him for over 15 years. And we need to figure out how to process meats without chemicals. If anything, Amos should be an American hero. He should be the standard from which. USDA and these laws and regulations are made, but unfortunately it's the opposite of that. Well, it's amazing when I think about it, you know, he's under attack for having dangerous foods. Yet all across America, the Nestleys that we're talking about earlier today are filling your kid with fruit loops and Captain Crunch and things and orange drinks and Doritos and Fritos and Cheetos and all of that is considered fully acceptable. And as I walk around the water park two weeks ago, I just thought we are.

unhealthy. I'm not going to get into the descriptions of it, but clearly food is killing people. We are so sick. And you look at the Amish, you look at people like you that are, you know, eating, you know, in a very, very clean way, directly, you know, true, you know, farm to table lifestyle. And somehow that's being made illegal. Well, this is a lot of what we were discussing at Max Cain's party. He had this brilliant event in Wisconsin. I was so honored to be invited a roundtable with some of the great minds on these discussions. So for the audience out there, this is just a taste of what it was like to be

at Max Cain's party in Wisconsin. We're about to hike Horseshoe Canyon up to Horseshoe Point to the West Ridge of the property. And we're going to look four miles down the canyon and see the sunrise. It's going to be beautiful. It's like Eden here. Hundreds of people gathered from all over the country

wanting to learn the same things I want to learn. How do we get back to this? The lap of absolute beauty. How do we grow our own food? I mean, look how beautiful this place is. How is it that this doesn't have all the answers we need? We got fresh raw dairy products. We got meat.

We have vegetables from local farms. This is all the food that we're supposed to be eating. This is the food that our bodies were designed to eat. You know that I'm the raw milk lady, and we're told that raw milk is inherently dangerous, but actually raw milk. is uniquely safe. We know even more. That today that we knew 50 years ago, and we now know that raw milk contains multiple,

redundant, overlapping systems of bioactive components that reduce or eliminate pathogens. I've had several parents tell me they made one change in the diet of their family. They switched from pasteurized to raw milk and how that improved their children's behavior. A good diet is 80% of our health. It's absolutely essential. But the problem is there's so much misinformation out there about what constitutes a good diet. And people end up eating really bizarre diets that have nothing to do with the way humanity is eaten for thousands of years. As we have pulled away from handling food from domestic culinary arts,

we have become profoundly ignorant about food. This profound lack of knowledge about food, lack of culinary domestic arts, has moved our culture into fearing food instead of embracing food. So we have moved from food faith to food fear. The most valuable progress for the quality of your life is you

is you growing and developing the health of your spirit, a healthy spirit, a healthy mind, and a healthy body, and living more and more in harmony with the truth of your biology and the truth of the world, the natural world. It's great to be around people who think that this is important, this is one of the most important things to focus on. What would happen if just 10% of the consumer dollar

were spent on local authentic food? I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, big. It's huge. Who needs the supermarket? We don't need the supermarket. You know, this is a totally new paradigm. This is focus right now on what we're actually up against. Bill Gates is becoming the biggest private owner of farmland in the United States. One of the architects of what? Build back better. We'll all be eating synthetic meat made in chem labs because that's the best way for us to able to feed the planet. Environmentalism now means chemical farming. If I'm dependent on a laboratory to make something for me, suddenly the fact that I'm getting water, sunshine,

and grass out of my backyard, that's not where my food come from. So it's actually an incredibly undemocratic access to sustenance. I have supported small food producers and farmers who are facing government harassment for about 12 years. One of the biggest mistakes we're making in the food in food regulation is to criminalize food production, like trying to put an Amish farmer in jail for selling raw milk. It's just not the right way to handle it. It's listening to your community and making informed decisions,

and again, protecting everybody's rights. If the framers of the Constitution had any inkling that the government would restrict access to food and in medicine, that we wouldn't have freedom of choice as to those two things, that that would have been the First Amendment. If we want a secure food system, the best food system that will create the most food security for people is a decentralized food system of small-scale producers.

So if something goes down over here, no one over there has a problem. We don't need to walk around with ticket signs. We don't need their write nasty letters or ask the legislation. We certainly don't need more bureaucrats. What we need, need is just if we're going to defund something, let's defund the food autographs. Now more than ever, we've all got to dig down and keep waking up, keep those around us awake, and keep driving towards the communities, towards the farming.

I will absolutely leave this event with many new strategies and actually game plan to make my family more healthy. You're going to live what I lived, the day that's the day that we're going to be a new strategy, and actually, realtor brought me to this property. Yeah. It was just so breathtaking. Hey Titus. Thank you. We'll keep praying that God's name will be glorified. I agree. I like these outdoor vats. I like getting into these conversations more about this really solution-based. Look at this and you think we mess this up. Yeah. And look what we have here. Like what are we so stressed about? I mean I guess and ultimately is that they're going to take this away. I want a piece of Paradise, brother, is everything you dream of. Your idea of making it a party. It's not a conference. It's a

celebration. Everyone felt that. And the best part is, you know, people were coming up asking, are you going to do it again? There it is. Well, then I'll see you next to your brother. Let's do it again, brother. All right. I mean, what a journey you've been on to, you know, be on that form. I mean, you own a piece of heaven, really. I think there's so many people watching the show. So yeah, tell you know like I'm never going to have that like how do I even do that when you reflect on your life how did this happen oh man well it probably got to the point where once I found a way to heal myself I felt that's why God put me on this earth and I became very mission driven I had a purpose for my life and I think that's how it all happened just you know coming from that place of spiritual

faith, finding a way not just to live my life for myself, but to live a life for a purpose greater than myself and to serve other people. I mean, what's funny in people, you know, you probably don't talk about a lot, but in some ways you became like a contraband milk runner, right? I mean, you were living in Chicago, you drove to Wisconsin where you're finding these organic products that are working for you, and then you started a career basically running that milk up into Chicago where was it basically illegal to cross the borders? Yeah, that's kind of how it all started. I was in Amos Miller's situation in 2009, the Department

of Justice, they wanted to put me and incarcerate me for 18 months. For trafficking milk. Yeah, for, yeah, and it was a hard decision, but I, with faith and a lot of people supporting me, I stood up against them and eventually the government went away and back down. So that was, But a lot had to do with the sheriff. So the sheriff of the county was really supportive of the work I was doing. And you had a sheriff at this roundtable that had been very supportive. Yeah, Sheriff John Spears was an amazing sheriff. So for people that are, you know, we have so many health issues.

We all do, you know. And I, this idea that food is medicine versus just getting me through the day. So many people are taking vitamins and pills or whatever it is to sort of, you know, subsidize what they're getting from their diet. you take your diet very seriously. What are some books that people could read you think that sort of that sort of you used along your journey? Sure. So one of the first books I read was Pottinger's Cats by Dr. Francis Pottinger Jr. It was a study that was done on cats. It was a 10-year study. They basically took two groups of cats, one group of cats, raw milk, raw meat, the other group

of cats, cooked milk, cook meat. And then after five generations, the cats on the cooked diet had a hard time reproducing. Besides that, Sally Fallon wrote a great book, Nourishing Traditions. Agenus Vonder Planets has two books. One is we want to live. The other is the recipe for living without disease. Those are all amazing books for anyone that's interested in kind of deep diving down the nutritional rabbit hole, so to speak. That's amazing. You know, and you know, Sally Fallon, who I was riveted by her speech on raw milk. I mean, she did, I think it was a whole hour. On all the studies, rat studies were pasteurized milk versus raw milk, and the pasteurized just basically eventually killed the animals and the raw milk.

They thrived. And what I found fascinating about what she was saying, she says, it's not like you have, you know, raw milk is great and pasteurized, you know, if that's the best you can do. She was basically saying, no, pasteurized milk is poison. Yeah. It's poison. It has, it is beyond not beneficial. It's bad for your children. It's bad for everyone. It's bad for She was really clear on that. If you're not drinking raw milk, you shouldn't be drinking any milk at all because that process is just bringing out the worst in that product. Yeah. So really fascinating.

I'll tell you what, though. I've traveled a lot and went to a lot of different workshops, presentations, read books. And I think Sally's probably the most knowledgeable person on raw milk that I've ever met in my life. I agree. I agree. So, you know, when people, Weston A Price is the group that she works with. I think they have another event coming up. And Joel Saladin does great work, the farmer that was speaking there.

I'm going to be going out to his farm to really interview him on his farming practice, which are now being adopted by farmers all around the world. And at the middle of this, you've become this sort of catalyst to bring all these things together. So what's next? What's the next event? We got an event coming up next week in New York at Churchtown Dairy, Abby Rockefeller's Farm. We're having another roundtable event. We're going to have Elizabeth Kucinich there.

Joel Salatin's going to be there again. You'll be there. I'll be there. Ben Dobson, Dave Chapman, Chris Lindstrom, and a whole bunch of other people. So if people can head over to farmatch.com and buy some tickets, we're going to live stream it. Okay. Or you can get a ticket and attend in person. Let's talk about farm match before we get out of here just really quickly,

because I think this is such an important issue. when we look at what's going on with Amos, but when we think about our food supply, it may come down to food shortages, period. You know, so many cattle have been destroyed because the packaging plants are backed up and the delivery systems fall apart. And so this idea of really a direct, you know,

from farm to table, getting acquainted with our local farmers, our local organic farmers, is really behind what farm match is. So just tell, I want people to know about farm match because I just think this is really one of the coolest things. and websites out there. Yeah, thanks, Del.

So farmatch.com is a, it's a website to connect you with farmers in your area. Right now, we don't have farmers plastered across the whole U.S., but that's the plan because we want to connect people with farmers in their area that are farming without hormones, without antibiotics, without chemicals. So people have a food source to be able to thrive and nourish from so that during the next pandemic or when I,

that's planned or you know that people will have a place to go get their food we're not relying on like Joel Salatin said the grocery store right you know where the shelves usually empty out on you so you know as you look forward what is what is your goal now in life and what is it what is your message to people that are watching right now my goal and my message is just to get people to really understand that food is health there you you can't separate those diet is health, nutrition is health. It's one of the biggest, greatest impacts on our health, and we need to be consciously aware of that and really bring that more. I mean, we homeschooled

too, so I don't know if this will ever make it into the education system. I know when I went back in the school, it was all candy and soda and sugar soda, but the food is health. That's the mission. And if we can change our diet and just start eating better as a species, wow, what a better world. We're going to see crime go down. We're going to, you know, medical bills are going to go down. We're going to have a better life, not just individually, but as an entire population on the planet. Well, it's fantastic. It's really an honor to know you. And obviously, keep signing up to your events because I think this roundtable discussions is such a brilliant way to get the truth out there. And just watching your journey and your story, it's truly

inspiring for people like me that you know I'm trying to get to the gym and I'm really working to you know take better care of myself you're such an incredible example of that and so just want to thank you for your work yeah you're welcome down thank you for joining me today yeah thank you all right take care all right we'll see you soon all right well look you know it starts with you know yourself right change starts with you and I just want to say to all of you out there so many people that are watching the high wire for the first time. The articles, more hit pieces written this week about my interview with Ron Johnson. So I know there's brand new people that read that and said, wait a minute, I'm interested because I disagree with this paper or I hate the philosophy

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You don't have to have written it down if you're on our newsletter. All that information comes to you so you can start investigating with your life and realizing that you have to take your own life. into your hands. So I think Max Kane so beautifully represents that. I'm going to be with him at Max Kane's Roundtable of Food. It'll be live streaming September 3rd. And this is just a promotion for that. And I hope that you decide to check it out. Hey, everyone. This is Max Kane. I'm teaming up with Abby Rockefeller to put together an event that you're not going to want to miss. This September 3rd at Abby's Farm in Hudson, New York, We're going to be sitting down at the table with Joel Salatin, Elizabeth Kucinich, and Del Bigtree to talk about the future of local food.

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