The Highwire with Del Bigtree - PANDEMIC: POLITICS INSIDE THE U.S. COVID DEBACLE

Episode Date: August 19, 2022

CDC to undertake ‘Sweeping Reorganization’?; Pfizer Losing Fight; One Senator’s Fight to Expose Dirty Pandemic Politics; Huge Win for Healthcare WorkersGuest: Senator Ron JohnsonBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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It's time for us all to step out onto the high wire. Well, look, I know a lot of you are totally dedicated to the high wire. You watch no other news on the planet. But if you did happen to turn on your television sets this morning, there is only one story everyone is talking about. And so are we? It's this. This morning, a sweeping reorganization of the CDC is underwent.

way after the agency's director offered a stunning rebuke of its COVID response. The CDC is planning a major overhaul of how that agency operates. Big shakeup at the CDC, or at least that's what they say, is going to happen. Here's CDC director, Rochelle Walensky, quote for 75 years. CDC and public health have been preparing for COVID-19, and in our big moment, our performance did not reliably meet expectations. My goal is a new public health action-oriented culture at CDC that emphasizes accountability, collaboration, communication, and timeliness. Dr. Rochelle Walensky is now calling for fundamental change to restore the public's trust. We learned some hard lessons over the last three years, and as part of that, it's my responsibility,

it's the agency's responsibility to learn from those lessons and do better. It wasn't that they acted too sparingly. The problem was that they acted too quickly and not based on science. Well, it's a shocking story, not shocking to us here at the High Wire, because this is what We're telling you all along. The CDC's a disaster. They've got it dead wrong, and they've had it dead wrong the whole time. But really, when we look at this story, I suppose we could say, oh, great, they're finally admitting it.

But they're admitting it for one reason. They don't want an investigation. They want to investigate themselves. This is essentially like buying a house that was just built and finding out that the doors don't open. They get stuck in the jam. The windows are leaking water. The roof is blowing off. And every time there's rain, your walls are filling with water.

and you've got mold everywhere. And now the same people that built that house said, wait a minute, we're going to fix it. I mean, what kind of shakeup is there going to be when it's being driven by, you know, Rochelle Walensky, Tony Fauci, all of these other people that have created the very problem we find ourselves in the middle of.

I mean, this is a joke. It's been a joke from the beginning, except that millions of people have died because of the mistakes made by these people. And I'm right there with Rand Paul. Don't think this is going to be a shakeup where all of a sudden they'll do what's right, which is actually listening to all the other scientists around the world,

like the J. Badacharias and the Peter McCullas and Dr. Robert Malones, who have had this right from the beginning. You want to shake it up? How about bringing every doctor that called this exactly right from the very beginning instead of all the doctors that got it wrong inside the CDC, the FDA, and the WHO? That's the only way we shake this up. That's the only way we make sure that we don't have our lives destroyed again by these same group of idiots.

Rand Paul is right. They are not going to ultimately say, oh, you know, we made a mistake. We should have been more open to science from around the world and more open to looking, you know, to different universities for their opinions instead of our own. Instead, I assure you that this shake-up is going to try and figure out how they lock us down better. Mark my words out of this. What they'll say, the big mistake was they didn't act soon enough. They didn't act hard enough. They didn't bring in essentially martial law to make sure that nobody could move or breathe. That is. is not going to be the answer, and it'll go in direct defiance to what really all of this is on the back of, which is the new CDC guidelines that just came out last week. This is what they're now recommending to all of us. Those exposed to the virus are no longer required to quarantine. Can you believe this? If you're around people that are sick, don't worry about it. Go back to work, go back to school, forget about quarantining at home. Unvaccinated people now have the same guidance as vaccinated people. Oh, wow. Finally, they're admitting, I don't know. I'm not. I'm not going to I suppose that being unvaccinated and having caught the viruses the same as having had the vaccine,

although it's not the unvaccinated have much better immunity. Students can stay in class after being exposed to the virus. So we're not really worried about schools. We're not worried about teachers, any of that. Go back to business as usual. Forget that there's a virus out there. And it's no longer recommended to screen those without symptoms. We're giving up on the entire fear-driven basis of the asymptomatic carrier being the greatest threat to the world.

You know, this is, I suppose, comes with some sort of bittersweet feeling for me. In one hand, we have been right from the very beginning. This is exactly what we said on the highway from the beginning. It's what, you know, the great Barrington Declaration declared that you will not be able to stop this virus, that locking us down will cause far more harm. And by the way, don't be under some impression that the reason they're relaxing all of the COVID guidelines is because COVID has gone away. because if you go to the CDC website, and it pops up on my Facebook all the time.

No, I want to see the graph that talks about how much, and there we go, here's the infection rate in this country. 80.2% of counties in the United States of America are still at a medium to high transmission level. So they didn't wipe it out. They didn't get rid of this virus. They didn't end this pandemic. They're doing what I was telling you from the beginning, which is essentially just saying, you're just going to have to learn to live with it.

And to understand these guidelines and how they got it wrong, let's go to the new health czar for the United States of America. Listen to this genius. CDC guidance sort of relaxes a lot of the restrictions we've had, tells us that there's a really new way of thinking about who is going to get infected. We used to spend a lot of time talking about six feet of distance, 15 minutes of being together. We know, we realize that's actually not the right way to think about this. That's not the kind of the most accurate way to think about this. Absolutely unbelievable. Here's where we're at, is where we're always at. It's not like they were going on the science that existed.

They changed science as we know it. From the dawn of man, we knew that natural infection was how all viruses stopped, that ultimately people, especially with an illness that had a very low death rate, you're going to have to let the healthy people catch it so that we could eradicate the disease through what was called natural health, natural immunity. Well, we have destroyed that with the vaccination program.

Now the vaccinator catching this virus over and over and over again. I think they're on booster four, five, six, whatever it is, it's not working. But this is the issue. And though we have been attacked in the news mercilessly, I can't tell you what it's like to have to watch the CDC saying, we made a mistake after all they've been trying to do is censor us. All that they did was shut down all of the great doctors

and the conversations around the world. All they did was deny us the life-saving treatments that were available, that were being used by doctors and having massive success. They didn't support them. They took those tools out of their hands. It's an absolute disaster. It's a debacle. It's a disgrace.

And perhaps it's all about politics, which is all that this show is about today. But I'll tell you what, when I look at the new guidelines, I want to send them to the New York Times, the Washington Post, and media matters, all those articles that were written about me. And say, you know what? Sure sounds like they're saying, it's time to catch this cold, which is what I said in the beginning. It's a common cold for 99.

7.4% of us. The non-pharmaceutical dependent people. So here's what we do. Let's go outside. Let's take off our mask. We're not on drugs and we don't need to be on drugs. Let's catch this cold. Boy, I can't tell you how much heat I caught for saying that is the quote that will follow me the rest of my life. And now I'm happy about it because that's the new CDC guidelines. Stop standing six feet apart. Stop worrying about how many people in the room. If you've been around infected people, don't worry about it. Go back to work. Go back to school.

You know why? Because there's no stopping this. You can't hide from a virus. How did they get it so wrong? What went down in the CDC? Why were we told so many lies? And why were so many great voices censored, shut down, and even kicked out of their professions?

This couldn't have come at a better time. Today, we are going to air an interview. I went to Washington, D.C. just over a week ago to meet with Senator Ron Johnson, one of the only politicians on the inside that was fighting for the truth, demanding answers, trying to get hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin out to the world, showing us the vaccine injured, having Senate hearings about all those things. I'm going to sit down and ask him, what went wrong? and if you want to know, you know, if you're tuning in now and it's days later, and boy, I would

like to heard that right when it was live, all you would have had to do has been on our tweet system. So all you have to do is get text us. Text that I can to 72022. This is, it's free to you. All you have to do is text that, test the word I can to 72022. A lot of you signed up last week. You get immediate notifications and you would have gotten our promotion yesterday for this incredible interview coming up right now. So use this tool. It also is going to be a way that you'll be handed all the science as it breaks in this country and around the world. All right, this is a high wire. I'm really excited about this one. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. It's amazing to me, Jeffrey, how these people like Rochelle Walenski and Tony Fauci can just parade

in front of the camera, basically grovel, you know, and say, oh, are bad, leave it to us. We're going to fix their own problem. Let us do our own investigations in here. We totally messed up, but that's on us. I mean, the way they do it without any sort of sense of actual morality or ethics or understanding or admitting what actually went wrong, which was sort of hiding the truth from the public. Right. And for people just tuning in right now, you would have known this if you're watching the high wire over the last two years, that the science, as we were taught to believe, has failed in spectacular ways and continues to fail with absolutely devastating consequences as we've reported over the last two years. But the question really is, is this isolated within the walls of the CDC?

Is it just a couple my bads on some scientists in the CDC? One of the bedrocks of what we do here at the high wire is to question scientific consensus. We don't just look at scientists or settled science and say, that's great. You can use that now as, you know, wield that as an authoritarian and command us on what to do with our lives. We investigate the science. And now looking side to side with our viewers, we're all on the same level here, even new viewers. We can look at this through a whole new lens,

something we've been reporting on for many, many years. And this is questioning the science. So in July 2021, about a year ago, this was reported in the BMJ. It was a commentary. It was by Richard Smith. He was a former head editor at the BMJ. And he wrote, this is the title time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise and he

says in there we have we have now reached a point where those doing systemic reviews must start by assuming that a study is fraudulent until they can have some evidence to the contrary i mean this is like a submission statement of what we do here but this isn't something that just was a phenomenon of the COVID response and all of the bad science that was that was really held up there by these institutions like the CDC. This has been going on for years, if not decades. This is a article, a commentary by Richard Smith. I'm sorry, Richard Horton. He is the editor-in-chief of the Lancet. And in 2015, he wrote this titled, What is Medicine's Five Sigma? In there, he writes, the case against science is straightforward. Much of the scientific literature, perhaps half,

may simply be untrue. We aid and abet the worst behaviors. Our acquiescence to the impact factor fuels an unhealthy competition to win a place in a select a few journals. The apparent endemicity of bad research behavior is alarming. In their quest for telling a compelling story, scientists too often sculpt data to fit their preferred theory of the world. And boy, was that really a prophecy really to what we saw here with COVID? And now we bring us just, you know, this is what I've been saying. This is the scientific method. The scientific method is supposed to be to challenge any theory, to challenge any new product. And by the way, that's also the job of the fourth estate or the fourth branch of government as defined by

our founding fathers. The media, the news should never be afraid to ask the obvious questions, even if it may be uncomfortable for government or institutions or corporations. That is our job, yet we have been assaulted. Everyone that has come forward saying, oh, hold on a second. That's science, there is other science refuting exactly what was just said there. If you did not go along with the CDC, they literally tried to create a ministry of truth to shut you down. And now it's the CDC that we're supposed to just bow down to and answer to without ever questioning is now questioning itself is now supposedly going to reorganize itself. So where do we go from here? Have we learned the lesson that science lies that when you say to some of the biggest corporations

being Pfizer and Moderna and Sinofia Ventus and, you know, all of these AstraZeneca's, these companies that make billions and billions of dollars, when you say to them, rush a product to us and we will get into our population as fast as possible, and you stand to make tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars within the next year or two? Do you think, under those circumstances, there's just a possibility that they may lie and sweep some of the problems under the rug? I mean, come on now. This is what the Lancet and the British Medical Journal have been screaming about, and they're the two of the top journals where all of this garbage is being published that our CDC and our FDA are pointing to. And who's getting ridiculed, those of us who have never been buying it from the beginning.

And this is a big concept. It's an idea whose time has come. The scientific consensus is kind of unraveling for a more open debate. And people may think just watching this right now, viewers, people tuning in, how am I supposed to face this? This is a big, huge idea. Well, you can start like this. When you see headlines that look like this, this is from last year, Pfizer says COVID-19 vaccine shows 100% efficacy in adolescence. There's your first question. When Pfizer says and 100% efficacy, Those should send alarm bells and say, wait a minute. I remember this segment about the science. I maybe should question this.

And even the FDA, listen to this. This was a press release on the back of that when they authorized their Pfizer shot, their COVID-19 Pfizer shot for emergency use in adolescents. And part of the data they use, the efficacy data to show this thing is really effective at that time. They say this, the immune response. That's basically just the antibodies generated. Just an immune response. We generated some antibodies to the vaccine in 100.

190 participants 12 through 15 years of age was compared to the immune response, some other antibodies, of 170 participants 16 through 25 years of age. So they compared them. They just said, this looks like that. Therefore, let's put it in tens of millions of people, kids. In this analysis, the immune response of adolescents was not inferior to, at least as good as the antibody immune response of the older participants. And for people that are joining us just brand new here, this is something I know when we hear antibodies, we think, oh, it means we're a immune. It truly does not. There's all sorts of different antibodies. There's neutralizing antibodies. There's binding antibodies. But in this, there's never been proof that antibodies deliver full protection or what level of protection. So when they're saying you're getting the same amount of antibodies as this other group that was in a trial that we cut short and never ran long

enough to see anything of actual value, they're just doing comparative or what they call immunobridging, right? This immune bridging thing was, well, it looked like the same antibodies as the other group. And we lied until the world was effective for them. So let's lie until the world's effective for the children comparing one crappy group to the next is how our science is being done. And when we reported that at the time, the adult vaccinations, their efficacy was waning, waning, waning,

and people are saying, you're going to give this to kids. Isn't the same thing going to happen? No, no, 100% says Pfizer. Let's check it on Pfizer shot. How is it doing in adolescence now? Here's the headline. Study. Pfizer-COVID vaccine efficacy wanes

27 days after dose 2 in teens. And there you have it. And this is the study here. This was published this month in the Lancet. If anybody wants to actually look at the data, they looked at kids in Brazil and Scotland from 27 days after the second dose they found waning. It was reduced in Brazil to 5.9% by 98 days or more. That was during the Omicrom period.

So, you know, boosters, boosters and boosters. If it's every 27 days, we're going to do a booster every single month. Is this the world you all want to live it? This is good science. Let's just keep boosting you and boosting you. Forget what that's doing to your immune system and all the reports we've done on immune exhaustion and all of the other problems that come from being vaccinated that often.

And let me tell you, no one's immune to this effect. Even Pfizer's own CEO, Albert Borla, has become a victim of his shot's lack of success, lack of efficacy. He took to Twitter. This was in April 2021. He was a really happy guy then. He said, excited to share that updated analysis from our phase three study with bio-entech also showed

that our COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing COVID-19 cases in South Africa. 100%, he says, with happiness. Let's check on him, August 15. 30 billion dollars in sales later, this is what he has to say. Okay. Really big pockets for him. So this is what he had to say. He took to Twitter.

I would like to let you know that I have tested positive for COVID-19. I'm thankful to have received four doses of the Pfizer-Biointech vaccine, and I'm feeling well while experiencing very mild symptoms. I am isolating and have started a course of Paxlovid. Oh, I love that. A drug, by the way, that is only if you're at severe risk of having a bad outcome. So obviously the guy that got four of these shots is not actually convinced that it's going to reduce his symptoms enough. He's on a drug that's going to suffer bouncebacks and all sorts of other problems. You know, these guys really would do themselves a favor if they would just, and they probably are.

I'll bet you behind closed doors, he's taking hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and azithromycin. If he's not, he's an absolute moron. Right. And so where are we going from here? Let's pull out the crystal ball. And the UK has become the first country to approve an Amacron variant booster. So up until now, we have been using the original strain to be fighting all these variants. So the UK approve Amacron-specific booster shots.

they're coming to the U.S. soon, and this is the headlines here in the United States, Biden administration plans to offer updated booster shots in September. Now, the U.K. is the Wuhan strain and the B.A. 0.1 sub-variant. That's the original, the earliest Omicron strain. The FDA is pushing the Moderna and the vaccine makers to put in BA4 and BA5. That's the current variant. But, you know, if they're not out by fall, these variants seem to move fairly quickly. So that's going to be a question, too.

What do we do know about the vaccines? You know, we do know they produce these antibodies. People keep saying they produce antibodies. What does that actually translate to in the real world? Is there any correlation of protection between producing these antibodies and, let's say, severe disease, hospitalization, all this stuff that they're selling us on the vaccine?

Well, let's listen to, this is the Pfizer's Vice President of Viral Vaccine Research and Development. And question by this, man, Dr. Offer Levy. He's a director of precision vaccines program at Boston Children's Hospital. He's also a professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School. This was a recent Verpack committee, and he had some questions for Pfizer's vice president. Take a listen. All right. Obviously, in a difficult situation, quickly, and it's hard to generate sufficient information to know exactly what the right path is. So regarding your murine data, you showed the of neutralizing

antibodies against BA 4 and 5. We're able to challenge the mice to show that you had protected the mice against clinical disease. Do you have an opinion as to what your correlative protection is in humans? And thirdly, have you made use of any human in vitro models to assess your vaccines? Thank you. So to answer, thank you, Dr. Leaver, for the question. To answer the first, no, we have not challenged the mice.

These data just became available this morning. So we wanted to share the late breaking of all of the totality of evidence that we have on variant modified vaccines. So these are to show the breadth of neutralization, whether you're talking about a BA1 modified or a BA4 modified vaccine compared to prototype. And then can you repeat the second question? I do. I mean, obviously you have a lot of data now. What is your proof of what? What is your political protection is?

Everybody's measuring anybody. They're probably relevant, but as we know, that's a long question. We need a quick answer. I would say there is no established correlate of protection. Wow. I mean, this is it? Is this what we're going to be rehashing inside the CDC and the FDA?

Maybe it's not such a good idea to be making recommendations based on zero correlates of protection. No proof the product actually works. Oh, and by the way, let's make sure we rush the one question that is being asked that actually makes some sense to the future health of millions and millions of people. Right. So we don't know that. Big question, even at Pfizer's higher-ups at top brass. But what do we do know about these vaccines, especially in these age groups, these younger kids? We do know that they can cause heart inflammation, myocarditis, pericarditis. And a bombshell study just came out from Thailand. This was the title, if anybody wants to look it up,

cardiovascular effects of the BNT 162B2, that's Pfizer's MRNA COVID-19 vaccine in adolescence. They took 301 kids from two schools in Bangkok, and this is what they found. 301 kids, remember that. This prospective cohort study enrolled students from two schools aged 13 to 18 years who received the second dose of the BNT 162B2 MRNA COVID-19 vaccine. Data including demographics, symptoms, vital signs, ECG, echocardiography, and cardiac enzymes were collected at baseline day three day seven day 14 optional using case record form so there there's up till eight times they the touch points for these kids where they're measuring all of these things so it's very thorough study and what did they find they said the most common

cardiovascular effects were tachycardia 7.64 percent shortness of breath 6.64 percent palpitation 4.32 percent chest pain again 4.32 percent and hypertension 3.99 percent seven participants, 2.33% exhibited at least one elevated cardiac biomarker, positive lab assessments. Cardiovascular effects were found in 29.24% of patients ranging from tachycardia palpitation and myocarditis. And they said myocarditis was confirmed in one patient after vaccination. And that patient had almost 40 times the elevated troponin levels. Those are diagnostic markers within the body to look for heart damage that people look for. I mean, this is, We've obviously been reporting on myocarditis from the beginning many times, but these numbers are just in a whole other world, so much higher.

This is what the CDC knew about when we were reporting. When they approved it for children, we've shown this graph before very quickly back when we were looking at it, they admitted that when they gave the vaccine that those that had raised risk in 12 to 15-year-olds, they expected in the males for there to be one to five possible cases. Instead, there was 117 cases after vaccination of myo or periocyditis. Zero three cases were expected 16 to 70 year olds, 121. But we're talking about out of 300 kids now, what was it, 28% are having some effect on their heart. I mean, that is catastrophic.

We're talking, we're moving now into one in four or one in five. Right. And here's a different way to look at this. there's a graph that was made from those numbers. And just looking at this here, we have tachycardia nearly 8%, shortness, SOB, shortness of breath, palpitation, chest pain, hypertension, I mean, hypertension and kids, come on, abnormal labs, that's the troponin levels.

And so this has caught the eyes of people that it should, namely Dr. Anish Koka, he is a cardiologist, respected cardiologist, specializes in managing complex cardiovascular disease. He has a clinic, his own clinic in Philadelphia. And he took the substack and he wrote a really, really thorough article about this. And I'd like to look through it right here, vaccine myocarditis update from Thailand. And you know, the CDC has found, you know, like you said, those short numbers, those small numbers per million.

And he writes this, because of the heavy reliance in the United States on passive reporting, which entails clinicians, patients voluntarily reporting myocarditis cases, this number, the CDC's number, is likely an undercount multiple data sets from around the globe from country, with much smaller budgets than our CDC have suggested higher rates than what the CDC reports. And here is just a quick graph that was put together. And these in the red, those are all a lot of the studies from around the world looking at myocarditis cases per million. And right in the middle there, you get 6.1, 4.8.

That's CDC VERS, boys, 16 through 17, boys 12 through 15. So they're not finding too much. But the other countries in those similar age groups are finding much, much higher. 300 cases per million. I mean, just beyond exponentially, you know, higher. And clearly, you know, only in America are we seeing science that's showing numbers that low, everywhere else in the world looking much worse. And looking at the data, one could really say,

the more carefully you look for myocarditis after vaccination, the more you're going to find. And that's what they did in this case in Thailand. So Dr. Coco writes this, I can assure you, and the mostly ER doctor contingent on Twitter that braze about, quote, mild mild, mild carditis, that there are no cardiologists who want to see their child have a cardiac troponin that is two times normal or 40 times normal after administration of some therapeutic. Again, those are the numbers that were found in the Thailand study. And so looking at this and knowing this, this is why some of these headlines start to make sense.

For instance, this one out of Florida, Florida recommends healthy kids don't get COVID-19. vaccine vaccine. This is Joseph Lodipo. He's a surgeon general there. And this was this was his recommendation for the really young kids when they put this EUA through. And then when the in 221, these were the Nordic countries. They really balked at these vaccines, especially the second dose in adolescence. This was the headline out of the BMJ, Sweden, Norway, Finland, suspend use of Moderna vaccine and young people as a precaution. That's the myocarditis. But let's look at that passive reporting system. That bears reporting system we talk so much about here. And that is, you know, that's partially run by the CDC.

Their myocarditis cases, they're just picking a sliver here. They're just capturing a sliver. And that sliver is 51,337 myo and periocarditis cases. And that's what we're looking at here. But now to put that in a different perspective, let's look at the graph. You take all of the vaccines since 2010. That's the entire childhood schedule. And you look at that and you compare my own pericarditis and all those vaccines.

And what happens, 2021, this thing blows through the, the roof when they started injecting these kids and everybody else with these MRNA vaccines. 2022 is obviously not over yet and we're rising fast and this is what they're finding. You can see this is, I mean, a safety signal is an understatement. Yeah, clearly. I mean, 3,000 times where you're normally at. Does someone want to actually, you know, put a pause button out and say, hold on a second, this doesn't look so good?

I mean, they're literally ignoring that. Unbelievable. This is the state of science. in the United States. And this is why we may be in some real trouble until these changes. I mean, great for the CDC to say we, we've covered them for so long.

They've never really admitted things. They double down, they double down. So they stop for a second. And they're at least admitting some problems. But boy, do we have an uphill battle to really reshape the scientific culture within the United States and open this debate and change this architecture? So it's no longer wielded as an authoritarian power structure,

but as something that gives us, it informs us about the world around us and within us for our own benefit independently. It's just been, I keep thinking it's the fox guarding the hen house, but now the fox wants to rearrange the hen house. We're not going to let it happen. Jeffrey, incredible reporting. You've been on this bringing more and more details. That Thailand study is absolutely devastating. So thank you for bringing it with us. We have a huge show coming up as you know, so I'm going to get to it. great reporting Jeffrey we'll see you next week thank you Del see you soon well I mean look when you're looking at these numbers we say how is it

the science could be so off why in the United States of America is there just a blip yet everywhere else in the world hundreds of cases per million you saw it last week if you're watching last week show about Maddie Gary you had someone that was literally in the Pfizer trials you have her lawyer which is also our lawyer Aaron Siri reaching out the FDA saying we have proof that they lie that that Pfizer lied about the results that there is a case of a paralyzed girl inside there, and they said it was simply a stomach ache. That should have alerted the FDA if they cared.

It should have woke them up, but no, what did they do? They didn't answer for 158 days, and upon multiple requests to, hey, can we get a response here? And then their final response was, we're not going to do anything about it, but why don't you report it to VERS? Do you see what's happening here? The CDC, the FDA, it's not only that they're doing bad science, they're avoiding doing any at all. When you look at that graph of biocarditis, the moment the vaccine

comes out, it's skyrocketing, reports to the bearer system by children, 57,000 reports suddenly saying, we're having heart issues, and the FDA does no studies into it. The CDC does no studies. Folks, these people don't get to rearrange their own disaster. It's time to wipe them out of there. And there's nobody better on this planet

than my guest that's coming up. But let me just say this. We're the ones that have been reporting this right from the beginning. the beginning. You know now. I mean, even today I thought, do I play the let's go out and catch this cold? It's getting a little bit nauseating how much that we have to, you know, say the I told yourselves. And it doesn't feel very good. I said from the beginning, I'm going to hate all the I told you so's that I know we're coming in the future. But if you don't want to be caught by surprise anymore, you're tuned into the one place that has had it all right from the beginning

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from a man who has been standing there all alone. Senator Ron Johnson. All right. So, you know, let's just start out with politics. Why did you get into politics? How did it all start? Well, it's actually a relatively simple and short story. I've never thought I'd get involved in politics. I ran an accountant by education, ran a manufacturing plan for 30 years, but I got involved in my community. And so during the whole Tea Party movement,

I was asked to give a speech to a Tea Party, just describing the harmful impact of government regulations on business. I've never given a speech before my life. A true conservative seeks public office is an act of service, and only when duty calls.

What I talked about was the fact that President Obama, was trying to sell his Obamacare plan, which I knew wouldn't work. I knew it wouldn't protect patients. I knew it wouldn't make care more affordable. But he was doing it by denigrating doctors. Remember saying that, you know, doctors are so greedy, basically. I'm paraphrasing.

They'll take out a set of tonsils and amputated a foot to make more money. The doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, you know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out. And I found that pretty offensive. and I told the audience exactly why I did because our first child had out of carrier was born in the very serious congenital heart defect.

And one of those, according to President Obama, greedy, money-griming doctors came in at 1.30 in the morning, did a procedure on her heart, saved her life. And then eight months later, when her heart's the size with small plum, in seven hours of open-heart surgery, they completely rebaffled the upper chamber of her heart. Wow. And she literally, first week of life, she spent in the hospital.

And then eight months later for that surgery, it was a week. Open heart surgery, reaffed the opportunity of her heart. Her heart operates backwards today. But she's 39 years old, has two children through surrogacy because she can't bear children. And so I basically told that story. Yeah. And I think a real important part of the story as it relates to COVID is it was during that time frame in 1983 that I really came to understand what the term medical practice means.

It's not a clinic. It's not, you know, it's not a business. I mean, it's literally doctors using their skill and they practice medicine. That's how we advance medicine. And so again, when I heard President Obama denigrating doctors, people that had dedicated their lives of saving lives, obviously saved my daughter's life and so many other people. It was just a I found it incredibly offensive. So I gave that speech. Afterwards, people came up to me. I didn't even know. Say, he liked your speech, why don't you run for office? Because I'm not crazy. But then they passed Obamacare. Right. And we're mortgaging in kids' futures. That's really, that's how I got involved in politics. And did you go straight into the Senate? Yeah, I mean, this was, this was October 2009. They passed

ObamaCare Christmas Eve, 2009. Yeah. I talked to that same person that invited me to speak to the Tea Party. She was also our county chair of the Republican Party, and I asked her to, you know, what would you think somebody like me decided to run for U.S. Senate? And she said, well, I'd love it. You're not crazy. Well, I proved her wrong. So literally, I didn't decide to make the final decision to run until late April of 2010, ran a six-month campaign and I won two times.

Wow. I always found this interesting because when I started talking to politicians, first of all, it's so intimidating, right? When I first started going around talking about some of the issues from my work, looking at, you know, vaccine safety and investigating those things. It's very intimidating to walk into a congressman's office or a senator's office and speak. And I realized fairly early on, wait a minute, this is just a person that had a regular job. Normal folks. A normal person that is just now in like this position of power. We really look up to them as though somehow you came from a different

planet of, you know, politicians or something. So coming in to to be, to be. a senator, was it what you thought it would be? Well, first of all, I always consider myself a citizen legislator. Okay. Which is really what I am. I had a full life, raised a family, and then at the age of 55, I decided to run for office and became a year a senator. Listen, I knew I wouldn't be able to come here and save the world, okay?

But I knew you needed people. As Jim DeMint, and actually one of the things that inspired me, I heard him on a different program saying, you know, we need more people coming here, not to join the club, but to join the fight. So again, I still consider myself more Tea Party than Republican Party, although obviously I align with that political party. But did I really understand the full dysfunction here? No. This place is almost totally dysfunctional. What I have found out is there's basically four people in Washington, D.C., they have power. The president, the Speaker of the House, and then as long as we maintain the filibuster, the majority and minority leader of the Senate. I mean, you still have

some semblance of minority rights in the Senate. Of course, Democrats want to blow that up so that, you know, if they didn't have that, there'd be only three people with power. Now, the rest of us can obviously make noise. We can't hold hearings. We can utilize our position and highlight things for the public, expose things. And quite honestly, I came here to try and rein in deficit spending. Came here, we were $14 trillion in debt. We're now over $30. So on a bipartisan, So on a bipartisan basis, this place is very good at mortgering our kids' future. So I became chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in 2015. People don't realize it, but that is the Senate Oversight Committee.

Governmental affairs is, you know, we don't really call it oversight, but it's the Senate Oversight Committee. And, you know, I didn't come here to do investigations, but all of a sudden, you're chairman of that committee charged with oversight over the entire federal government. Right. able to conduct an investigation just about anything that you think is important. And so all of a sudden, spend six years investigating things, and I determine really how deep the deep state is. Yeah.

You get a pretty good sense of the level of corruption in it. Yeah. And why I'm running again. It's got to be exposed. And there aren't a whole lot of people like myself who've been dedicated to exposing the corruption. You know, when you talked about Jim DeMint saying, you know, we need, you know, warriors, fighters in here, like they really care to make a difference, not just be a part of the system. How many politicians are here with that attitude? Because from the

outside, it just seems like it's just everyone's scratching each other's back. They'll have a little squabble in front of cameras, but you're all going out to dinner afterwards, no matter what side you're on. You know, how many people, what percentage would you say in this building right now? Well, I'm not a real fan of the federal government. Okay. That said, there are a lot of good people here serving in Congress, okay? But they're all faced with the same level of dysfunction. And, you know, I think it's generally true that the top priority of many members, if not most, is get reelected. Right.

And if you have that attitude, I mean, you can rationalize and justify it, say, I have to get reelected because, you know, it affects your activity. From my standpoint, I'd be happy to go home. I've seen the dysfunction. My game plan was to serve two terms to go home. That was my wife's very strong intention. And I would have done that had Biden not taken over, Democrats got total control and promised to transform America and then proceeded to do so with open borders, 41-year high inflation, record gasoline prices, rising crime.

This is the year 2022. and we don't have enough baby formula to feed our infants in the United States of America. So in the end, what we find out is the fundamental transformation is basically fundamentally destroying it. And I've never walked away from a problem in my life. And listen, America is far too rare and precious to give up on us. So in the end, I couldn't turn my back on it. Let's talk about the issue that, you know, you've really, you know, created some waves around, which is, you know, this sort of COVID crisis, obviously vaccines, drugs, preventatives,

all these things that you've got yourself in the middle of the world. But I remember when COVID sort of started. I started seeing these pictures of in China people falling face first. What was your first, you know, as I guess as an apologist, when did it enter into the capital here and become a part of the thought system? And what were those thoughts? Well, it was late January, early February. And as we discussed earlier, I was asking you the same question.

How did you get involved in all this? You know, what was the moment? You know, for me, I'm doing other investigations, but all of a sudden you have this weird disease and you see the pictures in China, people wearing moon suits, which I still scratched my head and wonder, was that just a scare tactic on the part of the Chinese government? I don't know. I mean, there's so much that doesn't make sense about COVID that I've got a pretty open mind trying to figure out what all is pulling off here.

Yeah. But you take something like that seriously, and obviously I think the game plan always was to scare the American public so they can gain greater control. They did a pretty good job of it. So I held my first roundtable as chairman of the committee with Scott Gottlie,

other individuals that had been connected to the CDC. And that was an early, that probably been about mid-February of 20, That's when I first became aware of the fact that in America we really don't produce pharmaceutical drugs. We do the research on it, but all the precursor chemicals, which is called intermediate, which is kind of an odd name for it, primarily produced in China. It's a refining process, it's a dirty process, so probably not welcome type of manufacturing in the U.S.

And then all the active pharmaceutical ingredients are also producing in China, a lot of in India. So you realize we are really vulnerable. Right. Now, we've done nothing to correct that. Right. I mean, we pass a trillion a quarter dollar infrastructure bill. I'm trying to make the point. We know how to put something in there to nothing.

Yeah. You know, it's crazy. We're just going to pass another quarter of a trillion dollar deficit spending bill on the China bill. No mention of making sure that we're producing our pharmaceutical. Yeah. Precursive chemicals and active pharmaceutical ingredients. So, again, this place is. It's not a business, trust me.

Right. Part of the problem here is you have so very few members, staff, bureaucrats that have any experience in the private sector, which means they have very little knowledge of it and maybe worse, sympathy for it, as well as the fact they've just never even participate in a functioning organization. That's amazing. You know, where you've got a company where you've got a mission statement, a vision statement, you've got annual goals. Everybody knows what, again, you've got four people calling all the shots here. So what are you doing today? So the level of dysfunction in Washington, you see, is profound.

Drives a guy like me nuts. So your first conversation really was that we're obviously going to need, you know, responses. We're going to need drugs. We're going to need things to deal with this. And so you sit down at a round table bringing, I'm sure, you know, got leave. So he's probably discussing he's a Pfizer, you know, all these different companies. And you discover we don't make any of this stuff ourselves. And well before I heard of Peter McCulloch's Four Pillars.

you know, prevent the spread, early treatment at home, hospital treatment, then vaccines. Well before I ever heard that, I was immediately focusing on therapies. Do we have drugs off the shelf? I mean, how quickly can we develop a cure for this? That's why I was thinking about that already in February. As things progressed, I think where I probably first got made a splash on COVID is I was completely opposed to shutdowns. Again, I come from the private sector.

Right. You can't shut the American economy down. People have to eat. You know what I mean? Right. You can't shut it down. You're going to have to cope with this. You're going to have to deal with it.

And so I made the comment that, you know, we tragically lose 36,000 people here on the highways, but we don't shut the highways down. Right. And then that actually got brought up to Fauci in one of his press conferences in the White House. And he said, oh, that's beyond the pale that analogy. To compare traffic accidents with, I mean, that's totally way out. That's really a false equivalency. No, it's actually a pretty accurate analogy.

Right. So I was asked because I made that comment, I was asked at the end of March 2020 to write the counter op-ed in USA Today. What's interesting about that is they give you 300 words. And they don't show you what their op-ed is. You just got a very limited number of words to write a counter to whatever they're going to publish. But I was actually happy to do it because I was so utterly opposed to shutdowns. The minute I heard the possibility of a drug, like hydroxychloroquine, my first thought was, if this works, could we produce enough of it? What's the volume?

Right. Okay. But even before that, if you remember in the early days when it was obviously hitting Italy, really hitting New York, I'm seeing these doctors go online after 12, 14, 16-hour shifts. I mean, again, these people that, President Obama calling greedy, okay, he's, People just, you know, they're trying to practice medicine. We come back to that. They're practicing medicine.

They're using their skills, trying to figure out what's happening here. And I'm seeing videos where they're saying, this is not, this is different than, you know, the standard kind of lung issues we're dealing with. This is just something different. People are coming in and they're functioning and their oxygen levels are unbelievably low. Right. There's something different here. We got to try different things.

I believe we are treating the wrong disease. and I fear that this misguided treatment will lead to a tremendous amount of harm to a great number of people in a very short time. And then those videos were being censored. I remember the video from those two doctors in California. Yeah. Okay? One of them is Dan Erickson.

Yeah. They're trying to treat patients. They're saying, boy, we think a lot of people have already had this. This thing is widespread. That's the good news. But they were immediately shut down, immediately censored. And I'm going, ah,

How are we going to allow doctors to practice medicine if we don't utilize what we have here in the year 2020 versus what we had in 1918? We have the internet. Right. We've got this marvelous information age where doctors can freely exchange information. They can practice medicine. They can share their experiences. We can get on top of this. You know, have multiple theories of the case.

Right. And it was all being shut down. So to get back to hydroxychloric when I started. reaching out to the manufacturers. If this is going to work, I've always been completely agnostic in terms of what early treatments, just do something. Better to do nothing, you know.

So I had, I contacted the CEO of Novartis, who's one of the major manufacturers of hydroxyclorca. Found out they'd already donated something like 30 million tablets to the national stockpile. Are those being distributed? We found out there's a big log jam there. So I tried to work with the administration to break that log jam to get that distributed. Then there was a prescription log jam, as I always called it, because an emergency use authorization was written by Dr. Rick Bright,

and he knew exactly what he was doing. It sounds good, right? We're going to write in mercy. Yeah, but the problem is they wrote it so that you could only use hydroxychloroquine in the hospital, not for early treatment, when it's too late and doctors pushing hydroxychloroquine, we're not recommending it for the hospital. So he was asked by Secretary Azar to write an investigative drug,

is there some name for it, to get this widely available for doctors. And Rick Bright went to buddy in the FDA, and they wrote this EUA to... It was really locked it down to open it up. Because I remember Donald Trump basically saying, I've spoken to the FDA. I want them to make this available.

So that's right about that same time. Hydroxychloroquium. And it's shown very encouraging, very, very encouraging early results. And we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that's where the FDA has been so great. They've gone through the approval process.

It's been approved. I was hammering all the time. I was talking to Steve Hahn. I was talking to the president. You got to break this log jam. You'll talk to Steve. He'll take care of it. No, I mean, Mr. President, the FDA screwed it up.

They've got to unscrew it, OK? Neither one of us could get it done. Did he did Donald Trump understand what had happened? I mean, I don't think so, no. No? No, I don't be it. Because he had seen pretty... Now listen to what Dr. Berks is saying.

Right. They were manipulating what he... What is amazing about what Dr. Berks is, and I haven't read her book, I've read the excerpts, you would think some of that information is something you'd want to take to the grave. You would never want to admit what she's admitting publicly. So, I mean, it just shows you what a challenge we have where they believe they can talk with impunity. Right. About lying to the President of the United States during a health crisis where we're shutting.

the economy down where we are impacting people's lives, literally costing people their lives. And she's coming out saying, yeah, I was lying the president. You know, I was chained. I was doctoring the information, the data, you know. It's, it's jaw-dropping. It seems like it's treason or sedition or something. I was like, I didn't, you know, I don't know. It's wrong.

It was wrong. That's right. And she's bragging about it. Right. So again, you know, I was dealing with those people in the White House. And it was like talking to a brick wall. Getting back to Novartis, though. So I had a pipeline to this CEO, texting him all the time.

And, you know, he said, oh, yeah, we got like a dozen trials that are going to be ready, you know, mid-May to end of June. So at Novartis, you felt like they were excited about this product being viable. Yeah, yeah, because they were going to conduct, you know, like a dozen trials. He seems going to come out in May. And all of a sudden, about the end of April, I'd have to check my email or my text in terms of when the communication stopped. I've never talked to him since then. Just shut off off. It was like a switch was turned.

Boom, that was it. No more communication. Obviously, never saw a trial come out of Novartis. What we did see with the fraudulent trials on Surgesphere. Yeah. So something happened there. This is why I'm always asking you about, you know, when did you get involved in this? At some point in time, those of us that were involved in this, we all need to sit down in a room and compare our experiences and try and put this puzzle together because it's still a puzzle.

I don't have all the answers. I can't explain it, but it sure seems at some point in time, the cabal. I call them the COVID cartel, decided no, it's going to be a vaccine. And of course, that's one of the explanations of why they'd want to tank and sabotage early treatment, which they did. Yep. Okay. Was if you have an effective therapy, you're not going to get emergency use authorization on a totally novel therapy. Right.

That's not a vaccine. they had to change the definition of a vaccine. Right. So that happened somewhere around the April. What's shocking about that. Well, we'll say a shock about this. I think as we were reporting, and this is why I really was so excited to get the opportunity to talk to you, because what was happening on the inside? Because from the outside, it seemed like we were being told the drug companies,

in this case, Novartis, doesn't want to do anything with a generic product, or at least one that's off label and is off patent and isn't going to be highly expensive. So they buried it. To find out that Navarra, you know, you're talking to one side of Novartis, they sound relatively excited, several trials going on. It sort of changes the dynamic of what we're being told

is motivating it. In that case, it would have been financed, right? Money is what's deciding it. But this seems different than that. Well, again, at some point, maybe the... Or maybe the guy you're talking to just was off the reservation first company. We don't want to do generic drugs anymore. You know, we're not going to...

Right. Again, I can't explain. But people are dying, right? People are dying. The thing that is so shocking about this is we're being told on the news by, you know, whatever pundit wants to go out there, whatever politician, we are working on this, people are dying, it's an emergency. Yet it felt like anything but when you start hearing what's going on said, aren't you going

to try? I mean, you have doctors all over the world saying hydroxychloroquine's working. Why aren't? And so we're better off with nothing at all than something that a lot of people are seeing success. So let's set that aside for the time being. Okay. Let's let's kind of keep going down the timeline. Okay. Well, yeah, the Princess Cruise where that entire cruise ship was infected. Perfect. Petri dish study. Which is completely held up. Yeah. I mean, the statistics from that, if you're elderly, you're vulnerable. You're going to have a five, six, seven percent

infection fatality rate. If you're under 70, right now, I think the number is 0.05 percent. Infection mortality. You know, a standard flu season is 0.1. Right. So this is half of a standard flu. But again, flu season also takes into account, it melds together, the extremely elderly, whatever. So what I was trying to do is I was trying to put things in perspective. You know, this is an Ebola at a 40%? It's not MERS at a 30% infection mortality rate. It's not even SARS at about 8% to 9% in favor.

This is something going to be more, maybe a really nasty flu. But again, I'm saying we can't shut down the economy. So I held a hearing in May. and I brought in Johnny Anidas. I had Avic Roy. How do you get a hold of it? I mean, how do you, how does a guy that's just in account? I'm a U.S. Senator.

It's one of the advantages. You can actually, you can actually talk to people. So people told you this is your guy? Well, Johnny Anis is your guy? No, I watched the news. Oh, so you just seen the statement. I'm seen this. Yeah.

So I wanted to bring him in and brought in, you know, Avic Roy, who's kind of a health care expert. I brought in Scott Atlas. Yep. So you brought in Scott Atlas before Scott Atlas went into. before it's got it yeah yeah i've given a fair amount of these folks some some platforms here yeah um but anyway uh i also heard about this guy who's affiliated with the university wisconsin talking about using corticosteroids you know here's a treatment you know they're shutting all these people down i'm going to

give this guy a platform so i mean last last minute and this is all zoom this is during obviously during covid so this is all zoom hearing um but had pierre pierre corei kori coming in. And one thing about Pierre, I tell all the witnesses, you got five minutes. Yeah. Pierre doesn't worry about the five minutes. But again, he's obviously passionate. He's talking about corticosteroids. All societies from the beginning of COVID had revised against the use of corticosteroids in COVID-19. We think that is a fatal and tragic flaw. I think he was pretty well vilified for quite a few weeks, even recommending corticosteroids. About eight weeks later, you had the study about dexamethosone,

and all of a sudden it becomes a standard of care. So in May, I'm trying to put it in perspective in terms of what the infection of fatality rate is going to be. Let's not freak out about this. Let's put this in perspective, okay? Let's not have the cure worse than the disease. And I'm putting first doctor talking about the kind of treatment. And again, I had a great deal of sympathy for all these doctors

trying to get the message out in there all being censored. But anyway, you know, the main purpose of the hearing is for the people, public to hear it. Okay. To hopefully get some journalists listening in and then writing a news story about it. I mean, that's how you disseminate this information. I don't expect the general public to really listen to hearings. It's kind of the aftermath and what news reports are written about it. Again, from my standpoint, we were making news, but again, I wasn't Fauci. I wasn't Berks. They had a different narrative here. And so I realized I wasn't making a whole lot of headway, and this was kind of out of my control at this point in time.

And, you know, quite honestly, I want to make sure the President Trump got reelected. And I didn't want to get too overly critical on his administration, to be quite honest. Because it was his administration while all this stuff was... Yeah, I mean, I had some real problems with what was happening inside the administration. I mean, again, he was not obviously aware of these things.

But he couldn't get it done. his team wasn't serving him well. And they weren't serving the American public well. That was certainly my belief and still my belief. And I think it's being confirmed now. Let's talk about him for just a second and couple of points because just timeline wise. You're looking at hydroxychloroquine. The world sort of discovers hydroxychloroquine the moment he mentions it in a very strange,

came poison. Very strange press conference where he basically says, hey, I'm hearing about this drug, hydroxychloroquine. This has been prescribed for many years for people to combat malaria, which was a big problem, and it's very effective. It's a strong drug. And like Fauci, like just all that like throws him off the stage, gets to the microphone and says, I don't agree with that at all. We have to do a lot of, you know, randomized control study something he doesn't care about unless it seems like he's trying to bury something. But the information that you're referring to specifically is anecdotal.

It was not done in the control of clinical trial. so you really can't make any definitive statement about it. And you have to understand the power of Fauci in that moment. By the way, I was in the Senate lunch where Fauci was wrapped around Trump's neck. He's got a very effective spokesman in bipartisan support, okay? And he was never able to unwrap him. But Fauci says something like that. I mean, the guy controls hundreds of billions of dollars worth of grants.

And so anybody that ever wants to get a grant from Fauci and company, they just told the line. So he says hydroxychloroquine's off the board, hydroxychloroquine's off the board. That moment, how long had the conversations from, like, how long had you been aware of hydroxychloroquine before Donald Trump? I hadn't.

Well, was it all at the same time there? Were you all talking to the same people? I think I probably heard of that, I think it's the state center in Michigan that got cured by hydroxychloric. I think that's what President Trump was referring to. Again, we're trying to think back to these things and maybe in perfect memory.

Yeah. But again, you know, I always said this in all of my hearings. It's like, why not give it a shot? Right. I mean, I knew hydroxychloricone is what they give senators when you go to Africa to prevent malaria. You know, I knew that I have some family members. With rheumatoid arthritis and leup-like, what's the big deal? Yeah, so a lot of people, I knew people that took hydroxychloroquine.

Yeah. And so why not give it a shot? Not a lot of stories of them dying from what you never heard about hydroxychloroquine death. No. You know, so, you know, all of a sudden they came with this QT factor and that type of thing. So again, they scaremongered on that. They poisoned it. They sabotaged hydroxychloroquine.

I read Scott Atlas's book, which said a lot of what I already believed to be the case. You know, I've talked to some other inside doctors and things. From your perspective, there seemed to be this rift between Donald Trump and Tony Fauci. We would see it on camera. But how was it discussed amongst, you know, your peers around here? like what's going on? Why is the, you know, why is like the head of this COVID response team under the president seemed to be, was there an awareness that they seem to be opposed or in conflict?

Well, again, I was at the Senate lunch when, you know, this is after a number of press conferences and, you know, Trump obviously wasn't a doctor and, you know, saying things that opened them up to criticism. And a helpful suggestion from the conference, you know, what got a perfect person that's respected on both sides of the aisle to be your main spokesman here, Anthony Fauci. As I said, I remember the moment when Fauci was wrapped around Trump's neck and he could never unwrap it. Right. Okay.

So he made that choice early on this. He's going to be my guy. But I remember being on one of those conference calls. This is when they're discussing shutdowns. And I said, you know, Dr. Fauci, are you considering the human toll and the economic devastation of these shutdowns? Are you considering that? at all as you're recommending this.

Kind of like Francis Collins, just Cavalier Outs, got my department. Right. But then you're not even considering it? Here's the point. Then somebody from that department has to be a part of this decision making. I mean, why didn't that happen? I mean, this is crazy. That's where you have to say, you know, the buck stops with the president.

But you understand. You know the support the Fauci still has in the media. and you understand the power of the media. I don't care who you are. President of the United States, U.S. Senator, it's difficult to buck the media. That's why I say, I hold them largely responsible for this.

If we had an honest media, I don't think this would have happened. I don't think our response to COVID would have been as awful as it was. I agree. What do you think would have happened had Trump fired Fauci? Does he even have the ability? I don't know. Is he legally allowed to have fired?

Do you know about that? Yeah, I think so somebody that's senior, I think he'd probably be able to fire. Foucher might be able to sue him, but, I mean, these individuals do. We'll give him a separate. Service with the will of the president. Right.

It's hard to speculate, but you just know this firestorm would have been in the press. Yeah. I mean, I understand why I'm sure all of his advisors were saying, you can't touch this guy. I'm sure Fouchy viewed himself as untouchable, too. Do you think?

He seems to, he strikes me as a somewhat air. an individual. If you are trying to, you know, get at me as a public health official and a scientist, you're really attacking not only Dr. Anthony Fauci, you're attacking science. Do you think Trump knows that Fauci was against him? I mean, I don't know. Are we making this all up? Yeah, I would bet that Trump was not a real Fauci fan very early on. Probably regretted he followed that advice probably the minute after he followed it. What happens to Fauci? You think Fauci sticks around for a long?

Not if Republican State control. He's out of here like a, you know, bad out of hell. Yeah? He's not going to stick around for our oversight. Wow. I'd like him to. Can you call him in once he, if he private, he can still be dragged in, right? We have some reasonably strong subpoena power.

We have more investigatory authority than, let's say, an inspector general does. Okay. Well, I pray I get to see that. So then also at the, you know, around. this time, you said lockdowns. You know, you didn't want to see the country being locked down. My question is, are we hearing at the same time you're hearing it, or are there conversations going on inside of the, you know, the capital, inside the Senate, side of the Congress that are like, look, we're starting to look at the possibility we might have to lock this country down.

Was that a whisper? Were there meetings on it? Or were you finding out about that approach at the same time in the American public? I would say I would give the Trump administration a great deal of credit, I mean, the entire team, they were holding, you know, many conference calls with, with members, a bipartisan basis. Okay, they were all, I mean, the team was. I mean, Trump would be on some of these. So they were keeping us informed. Yeah.

Just about every other day, we had another conference call with, you know, whoever. So again, maybe they were discussing this up front, but generally is always concurrent with what was in the news, what they were saying, those press conferences. Yeah. We weren't hearing a whole lot more. Oftentimes it's giving people an opportunity to ask agency heads, how can we get PPE for this hospital or whatever. So again, it was a very collaborative time.

I mean, there really wasn't much partisanship. People were really trying to help people out and kind of work with this administration. We realized we had a national emergency here. So from that standpoint, again, I don't agree with what they recommended in the end, but the process was very inclusive and is very bipartisan. I'd call it nonpartisan. It's not like the government's working and then they only leak it out to the public when we're ready to handle it. It's pretty, things happen right up front.

It was all happening in real time. Listen, there was a lot we didn't know. Right. That's why I've really not been, and I certainly wasn't critical back then, of people that were in, you know, governors, they were in a really tough spot having to make really difficult decisions with imperfect information. I'm not going to criticize them for that. Right. It's like this, we were all flying blind and people were trying to.

trying to do the best they absolutely could. Now in hindsight, you can say, well, that's pretty stupid, okay? But certainly at the time, I was giving people an awful lot of slack. But at what point? I mean, you have a hearing with Johnny and you start bringing in professionals that are starting to really lay out ways to crunch the data.

What is the point at which you felt like is time to stop giving people slack? This information's out there. I'm reading it and sources I can find it. You know, when do we let go of, you know, So when I start seeing the sabotage of hydroxychloroquine, when I start seeing that, when all of a sudden I can't get a hold of the CEO of Novartis.

It's not a question, now can we get enough? Just like, why is this being sabotaged? I mean, I can't explain that. Again, I kept trying, President Trump kept trying. I remember one of those Senate calls where literally Trump's on the phone, I'm saying, you know, Mr. President, we've got to break this logjam in hydroxychloric. We have to make it available.

You know, the FDA has created this emergency use authorization. it made it way more restrictive. I remember President Trump on the phone with all these senators saying, Mark, take care of Johnson's request. Couldn't do it. Just couldn't get it done. I did hook up with the Dr. Leave Elite

because what I needed is I needed a group of doctors. We still need doctors. We need a lot more doctors. I understand the fear. I understand why they don't come forward. But we need large numbers of doctors coming forward and say, this isn't right. And we got Dr. of Leet through her

AAPS was an American Association of Physicians and Surgeons. I think we got 13 to 1,700 signatures on a letter that she helped me write to the president about you have got to make hydroxychloroquine available. So that connected me to that group of doctors. That's really, then I started getting in all these email chains. I'm sure you're right. Okay. So that's the moment where I got connected to.

Where are we at now? What time? This is, I wrote that letter probably in April of 2020, okay? When you're wrong this, I mean, looking back, I mean, you were really, I mean, you're in there, you know, the voice for the people truly on something that we should, those of us that were on the high wire, we're talking about hydroxychloroquine. This is fantastic. We're looking at the studies done by DDA, right? So we're out there trying to get this push thinking what is going on inside, you know.

Again, it was making no, when things don't make sense, I try and make sense of them. Right. So I'm doing those battles, but this is where I get connected in this global network. of what I always say, eminently qualified doctors and medical researchers that had a completely different take on this. I'm sure they're the same names, okay? And you started getting all these articles, some of them, actually pretty easy to read and interpret.

Some of the stuff was definitely over my head, okay? But I get connected to them. But I also realize at that point in time, just like senators, just like they're like hurting cats. It was not an easy task. So I'm trying to figure out, how do you get a large enough group of doctors to come forward to offer different narrative? After the election, I finally had that group of doctors assembled. And I remember having a Zoom call with probably about 24 different doctors.

And I had to decide who do I want to have as my witnesses? Not a really easy decision to make. Right. Just wasn't. Okay. Fortunately, I chose Dr. P. McCulloch, you know, Harvey Rish, George. freed. Those are my three witnesses at the first treatment on first hearing on early treatment. Okay. And of course, the Democrats chose Dr. Ajiz Ja.

Tail on the hearing kind of the mic drop moment where I finally, because he's just ripping these guys, you know, and I'm going, well, Dr. Ja, you know, how many COVID patients have you treated? Obviously, I'm not perfect, but I try to use science as well as compassion to guide me. We appreciate that. Have you treated any COVID patients? I have not, sir. Okay. Right. I thought my wife showed me an article later on.

I think it's like January or February. This is after he could finally get a vaccine. He finally left his apartment. He'd been hold up in his apartment the entire time during COVID. Oh, my God. I mean, again, personally, if I'm going to try and seek a second opinion or even first opinion on a medical condition, I'm going to go to a doctor who has the courage to treat patients. Right.

Okay. Not some guy who's hold up in a, but now he's our COVID czar. Right. Unbelievable. He also, by the way, wrote, after that hearing, he's the one that wrote the nasty op-ed that the New York Times headlined the snake oil salesman in the Senate, calling Dr. McCulloch, Harvey Rish, George Freed. Guys who were actually out there. Again, people that had the courage and compassion to treat COVID patients, he's calling them snake oil salesman. Wow. Pretty grotesque. So we were widely savage for that hearing. My ranking member was not cooperative. I can't remember. Was anybody? Is there, I mean, did, did you?

you wake, I mean, in that process, that hearing, does anyone in this building say, hey, man, good job, I really found that interesting? No, I would go, I would go to Republican Senate at lunches go, guys, I mean, the solution's here. I mean, early treatment. I mean, it's not just one. It's not just hydroxychloricum. There's literally a cornucopia of drugs. And I didn't realize how large a cornucopia that was. But this is a multi-drug protocol. And it's working. I mean, the solution, the end of the pandemic is here. Now, this is before the vaccine has been approved. And crickets. It's still crickets. Why? Why is that, why is that the case? I mean, again, we are all sitting here in the public being told governments on overtime here

trying to figure out solutions. Because of the human tendency, and this is society wide, people don't like to admit they're wrong. People in America that got vaxed, they don't want to admit that maybe we did something that might hurt my long-term. health. So that's certainly part of what's happening here. But again, we were savage for it. We were vilified, ridiculed, you know, snake oil salesman in the Senate didn't deter me. I came right back. Pierre Corey had his now prepared his manuscript and Ivermectin. This is again, this is, I think December 8th. You know, so the first hearing was in November. Month later, I hold it with Pierre Corey. He comes in. It was interesting.

They've all been to my office here. And he was just, you know, pandemic's over. We got this. I mean, I've turned my manuscript over to who. It's irrefutable. You know, you get, he really believed. You get me in front of the NIH and stuff. They're going to see evidence. By the way, the evidence was powerful enough to have the NIH go from negative to neutral on Ivermectin. Yeah.

So it did have an impact, just not the pandemic ending impact that Pierre was hoping for. What was interesting about that hearing is this is the second hearing on early treatment. And Gary Peters was not happy with it. my ranking member and he just basically accused Pierre Corrie as being a political hack. Last month, this committee held a hearing that was billed as a review of early outpatient treatments for coronavirus. Instead of hearing from expert witnesses about scientific developments in the coronavirus treatments or how we can improve the pandemic response, the committee was used as a platform to attack

science and promote discredited treatments. Pierre Corey is a Diagnable Democrat. Right. And he wasn't real happy being treated by a Democrat senator like that. And that's really, it was the fact that I think Gary Peters got under his skin as a New Yorker, that he had that, you know, eight, nine, ten minute opening statement, which, you know, got a million views before it got pulled from the internet. I just want to start out. I didn't think I'd have to say this.

But I want to register my offense at the ranking members opening statement. I was discredited as a politician. I am a physician and a man of science. I have done nothing, nothing but commit myself to scientific truth and the care of patients. And to hear that I'm here because of a political angle, I am not a politician, I'm a physician. I want to start out by saying that I'm not speaking as an individual. I'm speaking on behalf of the organization that I'm a part of. We are a group of some of the most highly published physicians in the world.

near 2,000 peer-reviewed publications among us, led by Dr. Professor Paul Merrick, who is our intellectual leader. We came together early on in the pandemic, and all we have sought is to review the world's literature on every facet of this disease, trying to develop effective protocols. In the same time before we get into, you know, the vaccine comes along before that. Let's talk lockdowns for a second, because this boggles my mind. I mean, and I want to say is I grew up a progressive, liberal, loudmouth, Boulder, Colorado. I'm an environmentalist.

So that's my background. So I don't, like now I say I'm politically marooned. So, but I, when I ask this question, my thinking on, you know, Republican Party, conservative, certainly tea party is, you know, business first, man. You know what I mean? Like the right to own a business to go out, the American dream, you know, that is the idea of a lockdown.

does not seem like anything. It's like the greatest strike against everything that Republican Party would believe in, I would think. I mean, and how did they go along with it? How does the party... Literally, it was the power of Fauci. Now the power that they had no say in the matter or that they just bowed down to anything he had to say?

I think they almost were forced to. By... I mean, by public pressure, by the media. The media was so in the tank for Fauci. that Trump couldn't contradict him, even though there was never a pandemic plan that ever talked about shutdowns like that. Right.

And they just threw it all out the window. Again, I can't explain it. It makes no sense to me. Do you think it's, is it because Trump, you're watching Trump get slaughtered on these issues, not wanting to lock down? Is it he's sort of the point guy and everybody else goes,

well, if he's going, the president can't carry this message, I'm certainly not going to be the one. Is that, you know, Or is there distancing from Trump? Is it, I don't want to be connected to that? You know, I think my colleagues look at me as roadkill. Yeah.

They've seen what's happened to me. Let's see what happens to Trump. It's not necessarily distancing. It's just like, I don't think I want to do that. A little route. Take another route. I'm not going to step in front of that tire. Right.

That's not pretty. No, again, as you go back to the motivation, people want to get reelected. being that far on the wrong side of the press is not helpful in terms of getting reelected. Right. So then, all right, so lockdown happens. I always think to me a pivotal moment really is the moment I remember Donald Trump's in the Rose Garden

and basically said a lot of things that we need to be true on the highway at that point. I don't want the cure to be worse than the problem itself. You can destroy a country this way by closing it down. substantially less than 1%. And when they came to my office, don't forget, they were saying 3%, 4%, 5%, this is a very big difference. No, we have to put our country back to work. I'd love to have it open by Easter. Okay, I would love to have it open by Easter. I will tell you that right now. I would love to have that. It's such an important day for other reasons, but I'll

make it an important day for this too. I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go. By Easter. I remember thinking, wow, he just said it all. He's right. Everything we're looking at, this is a death rate below 1%. You know, it is destroying jobs, lives, economy. I mean, all the work you'd seen of America sort of regaining its balance, I thought, in the world. And now all of a sudden we're collapsing.

Kids can't go to school. And then it was like the press. That to me was the moment. I felt like the moment where we kind of lost. that, you know, gun-slinging rogue, I'll do whatever it takes president. To me, he got so attacked and so ripped apart in that moment that I don't feel like I ever saw the same Donald Trump after that. That it was just like, if I can't beat him, join him.

Then it became about the vaccine. And then it became about, you know, well, there would have been 20 million deaths had I not, you know, close the borders down and things. Like the whole language you seemed to shift. There were, he like gave up on trying to open us and said, well, what am I going to do? I wouldn't have done what I did. We would have had three or four million lives lost. Well, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can relate to him from that standpoint when I wrote

the op-ed for USA Today's, are you against shutdowns? I mean, I was, I was savagely attacks. Well, you want to kill people. No. Right. No, no, I don't want to kill people. I don't want to, I'm not hard, hard, and, you know, not happy to see people die. Right.

It's just that this is not the solution. This, this is, the cure is going to be worse than disease. By the way, it didn't work. No. I mean, that's what, and again, this kind of, I think, feeds into my theory here that nobody wants to admit they're wrong. Nobody. Right.

Because it's obvious that this didn't work. Yeah. This ought to be big time news going, hey, time on guys, the shutdowns, the masks, the vaccines, the vaccine. None of it worked. Right. I mean, if you believe CDC's figures and don't completely believe them, a million Americans dead, you call that a success? Right.

Six trillion dollars of money printing that we don't have, 9.1% inflation, what we've done to our children? I always say, you know, it's like, I mean, I never thought mass would work. I mean, I think it might be marginally beneficial. But there's one group of Americans we knew they would never work on. It's kids. You ever seen kids wear mass? Yeah, that's ridiculous. And we're still imposing on people.

We want to reimpose it. Yeah. Again, it's their way of doubling down on failure, so they never have to admit they were wrong. What I can't believe, in all honesty, is the way Tony Fauci, all the way through it, we have the highest death rates in the world. I was like, and you're in charge of how we're handling this?

Like, how is it this guy still has a job when, you know, you're saying we've been hit harder than the world? We've been hit. We have the best hospital systems in the world. the best doctors in the world. If we're having higher death rates, then doesn't it come down to the guy that's calling shots here?

Yeah, but nobody wants to admit they're wrong and putting Fauci in charge and listening to them. Again, I'm gonna keep coming back to that because it's about the only explanation I have in terms of how insane our response has been and continues to be. I mean, it's insane. You take a little of these vaccine mandates?

It's the year anniversary of Joe Biden saying, you take this vaccine, You're not going to get infected. You're okay. You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations. Same day you get sick. Right. I'm the one year anniversary.

Hey, folks, guess you heard this morning night tested positives or COVID. But I've been double vaccinated, double boosted. Hello. Yeah. I'm double vax plus double boosted. But I did reduce the severity of disease. I'd like to see the data on that, by the way. Because I had COVID in, I think end of September, early October,

2020 completely asymptomatic. The only reason I knew it is because I get tested all the time because I'm around people got a whopping level of antibody. So now I had it. Forty to five percent of Americans were probably worldwide were asymptomatic. That was a whole argument. How do you explain that? There was the whole argument. The entire reason we were walking down is it's the asymptomatic care. Those people that aren't having any effects. They were saying it is 95 percent effective at reducing symptoms when they finally even admitted that in the trials. really what they said the public, but it's what we were reading. The trials is like, how do you reduce symptoms below zero? We're talking about the body, your big issue with this is that people aren't any symptoms. So they're having less symptoms than the zero symptoms. And, you know,

I had the same thing. I got COVID last Christmas over break. And it was like four hours. Like I took a bunch of vitamin C and they went away. I tested. Yep, got it got all the antibodies. So I, you know, I could argue also, man, sure glad I didn't get that vaccine because I just, I kicked that thing out right away, really low symptoms. I mean, it's so everyone can make that argument that does well and those that don't. Let's not hear. So what I've always asked people is have an open mind and please admit there's so much we don't know. Yeah. I mean there's so much I don't know. So much you don't know. So would you have a little bit of modesty in terms of admitting there's a lot that we don't know about this? But every day that goes by we know more. Yeah. And we don't

There's so much we don't know about this. So let me, yeah, so I'll complete this story here. So Pierre Corey, that's December. Okay. Then we approve the vaccines. So I'm aware of the fact that CDC FDA had been touting their VAIR system. You know, I've seen the eight hour, not the whole eight hour, but I've seen the salient parts of that.

They had a teleconference and I don't know, must have been probably September, October, November of 2020, just talking about how, you know, we've got these systems, you know, Veyer's best, all these safety surveillance systems. Celebrating bears. No, oh, yes. We've got this great system.

We're going to be able to handle this emergency use. They'll capture all this. Yeah, they're pushing to this. You know, so if we approve these things, there was actually a comment saying, you know, our safety surveillance system, if you have, if we have people that have, let's say two days lost work because of adversity

event of the vaccine, I mean, we're going to have a CDC representative on the phone calling them checking this thing out. It was total bull. Totally. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, I'm,

I start watching the VAS. Only, I know that because we'd already been through the VERS stuff. And every time we talk to Fauci, every time you talk to anybody in authority, like, can't trust Vares underreported. It's just a passive apportioning system. But before the gap at EU, A, they were touting it. So this is. That's amazing. I'm saying they were fighting it back in 2017 when I was dealing with other, you know, other vaccine issues.

So they were already lying to you because we'd already heard the story there ended up being. They're already pulling out the stuff, pulling out all the stops to get this thing done. They're touting their safety surveillance system. So I start watching them. And the deaths start moaning. Now, you know, I'd already researched, for example, the swine flu back in 1976, what, four to 500 cases of Guillemberry disease. Yep.

And what, two or three dozen deaths? Yeah. Shut that thing down. Boom. That thing's over. You know, it looks too risky. And we're getting a few hundred deaths, over 1,000, 2,000. Finally, we had a meeting with a bunch of Republican senators and Francis Collins that I got invited to.

And, of course, I'm the skunk in the room. Trust me, everybody else is there all pat paying themselves on the back of the vaccine and, you know, the testing. We got that out. And, you know, just what a fabulous job we've done to respond. I'm kind of raised my hand. I said, well, Dr. Collins, are you monitoring the VAIR system at all? Now, this is after they had shut down temporarily the J&J vaccine. because there were six deaths.

That pause that they took. They were attributed to the vaccine of child age-bearing women. It's over 3,000 deaths worldwide in Veyers, and by my calculations, 40% of those are occurring on day 0-1 or 2. And, you know, it goes into the song and dance, well, you know, Veyers doesn't prove causation, and voluntarily, you know, blah, blah. Say, yeah, but, okay, it doesn't prove causation,

but, again, this is your system. 40% of 3,000 deaths. I mean, numbers, 1, 230 deaths, are occurring on the day they get vaxed or within two days. Right. Doesn't that concern you? And literally, he has answered me as, Senator, people die.

Wow. He was so arrogant on the phone. He's just so arrogant. And so I'm kind of going in that meeting with Sanders and just the end of April of 2021 now. And kind of loaded for bear. And again, the same level of arrogance. and I just couldn't believe, you know, I thought I pretty well, I've got to get his attention

with this. I mean, 3,000 deaths. I mean, I knew the swine flu stats. I mean, what do you guys doing about this? That's when I realized, nothing. They were in a complete state of denial. But because I had made that noise, because I was talking about veers on media hits, and I was getting vilified for it. I was getting censored. I have my, I've got my famous little chart that I've developed that compares ivermectin, hydroxychloricin, flu vaccine, which, you know, for your viewers, Ivermectin over like 26 years has on average 11 deaths per year. Hydroxychloroquine is somewhere around 75 to 78. The Norifluz vaccine is also under 80.

We're up to 29,000 or more deaths on COVID. Right. And they, and the FD is trying to scare you about hydroxychloricrin and Ivermectin. Come on, y'all, you're not a cow. These are the drugs they're scare mongering the American public over. So again, I've got that information. I'm expecting him to say something. But because I'm putting that out there,

I'm putting it on Twitter and it's getting censored or whatever, I get a call from a former Green Bay Packer, Ken Ruckers, he was a Hall of Fame lineman. And his wife, Cheryl, was vaccine injured. And they were connected to a group about 2,000 people on Facebook of people of vaccine injured. And he said, you know, I'm seeing what you're doing. I'm just calling to see if I can get help somewhere.

I mean, these people, all they want is to be seen, heard, and believed. That's all, because they can't get treatment. Nobody's acknowledging what they're suffering from. And some of them are suffering with these internal vibrations so severe. They're committing suicide. I mean, can you help us out in some way, shape, for him. I'm saying, well, can, you know, again, I don't have much power, but, you know, because I'm a U.S. Senator, I can garner attention.

I can make myself a target. If I hold an event in Wisconsin, particularly if you come out, we can probably get some TV cameras there, and at least they can tell their story. So, yeah, I hope Springs Eternal. We held this event in June in Milwaukee, and we probably had, I don't know, at least a dozen, maybe more TV cameras show up.

And we had Bree Dresson. We had Maddie DeGerry and Stephanie. We had Sherrill. We had a couple other individuals. Two of these, by the way, Maddie was in the Pfizer trial for children. Right. Bree Dresson was in Astrophysenica.

Has to lay down most of the time because she gets still severe headaches. So we had the event and the five individuals told their stories. Yeah, I was hoping, you know, maybe some members of the media would show some measure of human compassion. Yeah. And interview these people and, you know, put that on the news and people would be aware of the fact that, I mean, it's not 100% safe. I mean, there are people being injured by it. What I want to ask, Maddie volunteered for the Pfizer trial. Why aren't the research in her to figure out?

Why this happened? So other people don't have to go through this. We have been robbed of our cognitive abilities, our physical abilities. We cannot work. We cannot care for our families or our children or ourselves. We are struggling to make it through each day, abandoned by our health care teams. We are the collateral damage of the baby. pandemic. We've been at battle against the pandemic and there's been damaged. Seems like a,

and that's why I reached out of Senator Johnson, seems reasonable, reasonable to say, let's help these people. Now that the news media have started asking Ken Rutgers, well, this is just about winning a lawsuit, when I make some money off a lawsuit. And of course, then they start ripping into me in Wisconsin, rather than the news media talking about the vaccine injured, they about a dozen Wisconsin newspapers had my people. picture above the fold with the headline so fundamentally dangerous so that's you know no good deed goes on punch so again i don't back down i guess my question is this you know obviously you heard some of these story brie's story and mattie is prior to bringing them on this panel but as you sat there

and listened to it as you listened to it how how did that affect you and then yeah i mean how did it just affected the person. First of all, I had no doubt that they were, they were vaccine injured. I just had no doubt. I mean, I was convinced. Again, I've got a very open mind about these things. Okay, wasn't anti-vax, got all these vaccines, that kind of stuff. But then he started, again, I'm actually, I react to evidence.

So, hmm, maybe sometimes go, well, I wish I would have known that sooner. You know, why didn't you check into that sooner? So, no, I just had nothing but sympathy and compassion for those folks. and I was, honestly, I was proud that I at least gave him a platform to tell their story. And I was appalled by the treatment of the media. Yeah. So, yeah, so, I mean, it's, you know, right now, it's definitely me against the media. Yeah.

It's all of us against the media. It's all of us against the COVID cartel. You know, the administration, the health agencies, big pharma, the mainstream legacy media and big tech social media giants. I mean, that is the COVID cartel. They are the ones I keep telling people that they can't afford to admit they're wrong at this point. I mean, the body count is so high. I agree. They can't afford to be proven wrong, but the problem is they've got the power to make it almost impossible to prove them wrong.

I mean, just walking over here, I was thinking of the phrase, you know, it's the victors that write the history. Right. And they intend to be the victors. Yeah, well, so do I. So we. Well, I think you and I both. I mean, I know that. But you know better than anybody what we're up against. I do. But you did something that was, I think, a game changer, at least for those people that have been focused on vaccine injury for not just two years or five years, some 10 years, 20 years back. You put together world-renowned doctors. I was at that event. We had a rally here in D.C. And then it was the second opinion. opinion hearing that you had. And I remember I sat there and thought, this is what, you know,

the work that I've done for the last four or five years, this is what everyone I've met has dreamed would finally happen. Real doctors, all believing in the medical system, none of them anti-vaccine, stepping up, talking about natural immunity, talking about the importance of it, talking about the dangers they're seeing with these vaccines, how poorly had been made, how poorly been tested. I mean, it, you know, I think for all of us that, you know, have been at this for some time, we thought this has got to be it. I mean, this is huge now. You know, I came back after, you know, after the vilification, I had an event here in D.C. would set up the second opinion. Okay. But we had, we again, some of the vaccine units that

we had in Milwaukee, but we had more. Okay. We had medical experts, you know, people like Peter Doshi. So that was kind of, that was sort of the bridge to the January 24. the fourth event. We had the room for five hours. I didn't know. It would use up, five hours pretty good length of time. Just like my first hearing where I had a couple dozen doctors on, I'm trying to figure, I mean, who do I pick? It's a hard decision. There's some really good people on that. I'd do the same thing here, but worse, I had to organize it because they're all, they've all got their ideas. I mean, even naming it. I'm the ones, No, we're going to call this COVID-19 a second opinion.

The way we're going to organize this is we're going to go back to Dr. McCulloch's Four Pillars. Who's going to speak to stop, you know, prevailing the spread or limiting the spread? Who's going to do early treatment? Who's going to be doing hospital treatment? Then who's going to do vaccines? My big regret of that is we just never had the, we barely scratched the surface. I had one page, you know, single space, I had questions I want to get to, okay, under the four categories. barely scratched the surface, and we just never got into describing vaccines.

So right now what I'm trying to develop and working with people like Dr. Malone and others, is another event that is going to focus on the vaccines. Yeah, I appreciate the fact that, you know, literally millions of people did watch that five-hour event. We cadets it down to 38 minutes. I think I've got to say this, too. Paul Merrick was, you know, what a... I want to bring that up too. So, yeah, tell me about that.

You know, when he's, you know, he kind of had hospital care, okay, because, again, Emily qualified critical care. I mean, he's the guy. Leading most published ICU doctor in the history of the planet earth. And, yeah. So he's, he's describing how in this hospital, his death rate, again, now, he's treating COVID patients in critical care. I mean, not early the way they should be treated is worst case scenario. Because people can't get early treatment. So now he's taking care of him. And his death rate is half of what his colleagues are. So you hear that, go, well, they probably pin a medal on him and found out what he was doing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What they did is, they took away his medications. They didn't allow him to use ivermectin. They even took away vitamin C. And so

he, in his testimony, it's just so powerful. He said, so they, they took away all my tools, but they left me with my seven patients. They'd tied my hand, so all I could do is sit by and watch my patients die. You know, I was there, I was there in person at that. To me it's actually more impactful to see the video of it. As a clinician for the first time in my entire career, I could not be a doctor. I could not treat patients the way I had to be to treat patients.

I had seven COVID patients, including a 31-year-old woman, I was not allowed to treat these people. I had to stand by idly. I had to stand by idly watching these people die. To me, that is just, it just epitomizes what our response to COVID was. The Fauci's of the world, the Collins of the world, the Birx, the health agencies, they took away the tool of doctors, remember, it was doctors who had practiced medicine and saved my daughter's life.

It's the reason I got into this awful business. They took away the tools of the doctors who had the courage and compassion to actually treat COVID patients, and we've just sat back and watched how many hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens die? I believe that that constitutes a crime against humanity. It certainly, in my mind, is no different.

than Tuskegee. I mean, Tuskegee experiment. You have these African Americans with syplis. You have penicillin. You know it works. Instead, you stand by, deny that it exists and just watch these people die. That's what our, that's what are, this is shocking. The heads of our government health departments did that to their own people. They just turned to blinds eye toward it. One of the reasons I'm so convinced of early treatment is I know these doctors that have the courage and compassion to treat. So I have a lot of people I've referred them. And then I talk to them. People just can't breathe and literally within hours they can.

Right. Okay. Way too many people to say it's just placebo effect, okay? So again, I'm thoroughly convinced this multi-drug protocol works. I got to quick tell you a story how absurd this has gone, though. At the very start of Omicron, you know, I do telephone town halls. We call out to 80,000 Wisconsin. It's a crack.

and, you know, somewhere five, 10, 15,000 people are on the call. So I'm just trying to warn people, listen, it's a deadly disease. Don't ever take anything I've said. Like, I don't, this is a deadly disease, okay? Take it seriously. And, you know, whether you're vaxed or unvaxed, I mean, there are things you can do to protect yourself. I mean, I was talking to Fauci like he's the Grinch. You know, it takes, you know, Saul's world hunger tells no one.

Takes vitamin D tells no one. Right. Okay. So I'm saying, listen, as I'm talking to these doctors, they seem to think that people that are getting really sick with COVID, often are vitamin D deficient. So you can supplement yourself, there's vitamin C. You gargle. You can reduce the viral load.

So, you know, I've got Democrat trolls on my telephone town hall. Within 10 minutes, my comms team were being called by national news, saying, is it true that Senator said that Listerine will replace the vaccine? They went so far as to go knocking on the governor of New Hampshire's door. What do you think about this wacky Republican senator that's saying that Listerine would replace the vaccine? Of course, I'd never said that. Right. I put up with a week of that kind of ridicule and vilification for just what, again, what's the worst thing can happen?

Fresher breath? I was quoting a study on this. Okay? But that's the length they would go to to try and destroy anybody. Yeah. Yeah. What does it make you think in the media? How big a part or how bad, you know, we?

We went through a presidency with Donald Trump. We're, you know, just fake news, really called out the media. When we think of problems in this country, and I think we're really struggling right now, we talk beforehand. We probably do a whole other conversation about how devastated this nation is in just a few short years, you know, empty shelves, gas prices, the roof, inflation, you know, it's just, it's bad, you know. It's not the country I remember. It's certainly not the one.

I hold the media largely responsible. Yeah. I first hold the radical leftists who took over our university systems in the 60s responsible. I mean, they're the ones that have been cranking out teachers that indoctrinated our youth. Lawyers have become activist, judges, but then journalists that aren't journalists or advocates. They're also radical leftists. Again, these people, these major networks, they don't do interviews with me. They argue with me.

They're not journalists or advocates. Right. And so that's why I say they're part of the country. COVID cartel. And they have every bit as vested interest in not being proven wrong now. Because again, I believe these people do have blood in their hands. Okay. Hundreds of thousand people are dead in America that didn't have to die. I am 100% thoroughly convinced to that. Yeah. Had people had if the medical establishment had an open mind toward early treatment and listened to people like Corey and McCulloch and just tried it. Give their

patients who are begging them. I mean, begging them. Begging them. Okay, just wouldn't do it. I just, I can't explain it. It is, it makes me profoundly sad. I want to talk about another colleague out there that you have. I mean, so we've covered a lot of what, what you've been doing there.

From our perspective, you know, you've been the biggest voice, you know, for the vaccine injured, for the discussion about VERS, what's going on to the deaths that are going on, the early treatments. I mean, you've covered that whole gamut. But there's also this conversation of where this virus came from. And Rand Paul really seems to have sort of carried that torch. The gain of function investigations really grilling into Fauci. First of all, are you with him on that?

I mean, is that something that sort of... The only reason I'm not grilling Fauci is he never comes before my committees. If he came for my committees, I would be asking him some tough questions because I've written him, you know, Dell, I'm up to 43 oversight letters on this. Wow. Okay? Yeah. So, no, I'm, we need to find out.

The problem is we pretty well sabotage our ability to get in there early when there might be evidence. So, I mean, the Chinese had a long time to cover things up. I mean, to me, I've just always assumed it's been a lab leak. Very early on, I was talking to computational biologists, talking about the fear on cleavage site and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, they were absolutely certain it just wouldn't occur in nature. and whatever. It's important to know, but from my standpoint, I'm more focused on what we can do to prevent harm.

So, I mean, every step of the way, if you take a look at what I've done, I've advocated for no shutdowns because I want to prevent harm. I've advocated for early treatment because we may never have a vaccine. Then we got it. Then I'm looking at vaccine injuries. It's like, well, you know, use a little caution here. Let's not be forcing this on pregnant women. And you see more vaccine harm. We go, let's not force it on kids.

Well, they agreed to kids. Well, let's at least not do toddlers. And they approve it for toddlers. But the good news, and I think this is where, you know, people like you and our group can take a fair amount of credit. We're vilified for it, but I'm happy to take credit for the fact that a very small percentage of American parents are having their toddlers get vaccinated. And, you know, so also we're seeing a huge breakaway confidence in the vaccine program. in general because of it. And this is something I warned the CDC about very early on.

Please do the CDC a favor. Do this nation of favor. And lead by erring on the side of caution for the citizens and not the pharmaceutical industry and pull Johnson and Johnson immediately or we could seriously see the destruction of competence in all vaccine programs and science as we know it.

Too late. It's too late. I'm really. I'm sorry. In my mind, my mind is destroyed. We need to rebuild these agents. We need an agency like that. I agree.

We need somebody to overlook the safety of the American public, but they're not the agency to do it. They've shown themselves corrupt, captured by big pharma. Are these pharma, just a puppeteer? I mean, what we need to do. Yeah, I was going to ask you. On a macro basis, because right now, these doctors that I revere are being crushed.

at the bottom of the treatment pyramid. They need to be at the top of it. We need to reestablish doctors so they can practice medicine, utilize their skill, and put these agencies back on their lane. CDC is all about gathering information and dissemining accurate information, not doctoring it, but they've willfully not gathered information because they didn't want to know. FD is about safety and protecting it and probably being overcautious.

The reason I passed a right to try bills, I want the FDA to be overcautious, but I want patients to have the freedom to say, okay, I'm dying here anyway. I understand you haven't done full approval, but let me have access to it. Okay, and don't penalize the drug manufacturers if that person dies because they're going to die anyway, okay? So I think there's some common sense things to do, but let me look right in the camera and make my appeal to doctors. Because if you're a doctor and you are awakened to what's happened, if you know that it's wrong and it's not right, don't sit by the sidelines anymore. Don't let just Peter McCulloch and Dr. Malone and Pierre Corey and all these courageous doctors who step forward to warn the public, they need help.

We literally need thousands of doctors who are aware of the problem to join together. There is safety in numbers and be honest and truthful with the American public. I'm begging doctors, I'm begging nurses to come forward, join together as one massive group and put an end of this insanity. And help restore yourselves to the position that I think you all thought, you'd be in going through medical school and taking that Hippocratic oath, being loyal first to your patients and being the one to call the shots when it comes to how you care for your patients.

I'm just, I'm begging doctors. You have to step up the plate. Are you feeling any shift, whether it's in your constituents back in Wisconsin, people walking down the street, or maybe even some of your colleagues here. Is anyone coming to you and saying, you know, you called that out? And you said, you know, you had issues with the vaccine and it's affecting this. And here we are.

I wish I could say yes. Other than the people that already had their eyes opened. I mean, listen, people are opening up their eyes. Yeah. But, I mean, the powers to be, they're certainly not admitting it. I was just going to start at lunch. And they were, you know, saying the praise about the vaccines again, saying it saved 20 million lives. There's a study out there that the vaccine saved 20 million lives.

How convenient. I love to see that study. So, no, they will continue. You know, people voted for this stuff. We spent billions on it. They were recommending it, whether it's doctors, whether it's members of Congress. They don't want to admit to something they recommended their constituents or the patients might have harmed them or kill them.

So the state of denial is going to be almost impossible to break. Okay, if you've been involved in this and if you've been pushing this, you are not going to want to see evidence. You're not going to want to admit it. So no, we've got unbelievable reasons. to gain the truth out there to awakening more people. You know, when you're speaking to your colleagues, and it sounds like they just have no interest, is it really because they're not interested,

or is it that, I mean, one of the things that I've said as I've traveled the country before COVID, I said, pharma is the most powerful lobby in Washington. It's outspending oil and gas two to one. And I've been saying to audiences for years. The pharmaceutical industry is now the most powerful lobby in Washington. outspending oil and gas two to one.

What do you think farm is buying with that? You know, if oil and gas has got us fighting wars in the Middle East, farm is spending twice that for your senators, for your congressman, for your president, that money is having an effect. Is money? Is this farm a lobby? Is this why we can't seem to penetrate or get our representatives to listen to us or read a VERS report or understand what's going on?

First of all, I don't think it's donations. I mean, there's limits to what any company can give you. And, I mean, U.S. Senate rates now is costing tens of millions of dollars. So it's not even, you know, it's not even a blip on the radar in terms of, you know, what you need to fund a campaign. I think in terms of what big farm has done is they've captured the agencies. And that's a real power. And it's, I think, I haven't done a study. I'd like to look at this.

But it'd be real interesting to see, you know, the exchange of personnel. over time. Yeah. You know, I mean, I won't name names, but, I mean, let's face it, there are people that have been FDA commissioners. I mean, what Gottlieb just did? I mean, there is. I'll name the name.

I mean, straight out of government, straight back into a multimillion dollar property. And that, I mean, that's at the top level. What I think is happening at the lower level? Right. Back and forth, okay? Yeah. So I just think it's just very, very, probably smart. Regularly capture.

Probably smart investments, regulatory capture. But also coming in and educating. providing your viewpoint to staff and to members, that kind of thing. And, you know, listen, when I first started running in 2010, I said, you know, to me it's absurd to be vilifying like big oil and big farmers. So what am I, am I the only guy that likes to see gas stations and, you know, be able to fill up my car at a whim? Or am I the only guy that wants a life-saving new drug?

So again, I don't harbor ill will toward big business. I think they have to make money. Drug companies have to so they can invest. But my eyes have certainly been open in terms of the capture of the agencies and the corruption of that, the corruption of all the grant money. And a guy like Fauci to all these institutions, you know, the medical journals. So, I mean, I just think there is overall corruption throughout our federal health agencies, the medical establishment, the medical journals, science, not just as it relates to medical science,

but government funding corrupts these things. Wow. So there's power over these institutions than it is finance. That's what I think it is. Interesting. Not to make this a party issue, but under the current circumstance, you know, you have Democrats, House and Senate, you know, if there was a shift, you know, it seems to me I don't even care what, frankly, I don't care what party, but whatever party is not pushing this baloney right now, it seems to me the investigations of Fauci, the investigation of Deborah Brooks, based on everything she's already admitting in her. book. I lied to the president. I lied to the people. We made up social distancing ideas. We told everybody the vaccine would work and I think was very well grilled by some of your colleagues saying so you, it's a wishful thinking, hopeful thing. So here you are saying you want to stop

misinformation. You're the greatest purveyors of misinformation. Is there any sense in the Republican party right now coming into an election coming up here that there may be a real, you know, power to running on the fact that we're going to investigate Foucher. We're going to look into gain of function. We're going to look into this vaccine that never delivered what you were promised. Is there any sense that there's some power there? I'll ask you, do you hear candidates talking about this? Not as much as I'd like.

No. Listen, there's some individuals. I have no doubt that, you know, Rand would come and he'll focus on gain of function and the origin of COVID. I think people like Jim Jordan, there are a couple of House members will do this. Yeah. Yeah, I expect resistance. I'll just be honest with you.

You know, if I do survive and we take over the majority, I'd be the chairman of the permanent subcommittee investigations. I've laid my foundation. We just had a hearing on Bureau of Prisons. I took the opportunity to talk about the importance of government oversight, legislative oversight, and I ask whistleblowers come forward. Yeah. Okay. But again, 43 oversight letters.

I've laid the foundation for the investigations I'm going to want to do on this subject. But is it going to be popular? No, because, again, people don't want to be proven wrong. I mean, you know, the people at lunch who were saying, hey, the vaccines save 20 million people. You think, again, I've shown them the VAIR's data. I've given them the charts. It's to crickets. Well, okay.

That's what we're up against. But yet, here you are, you know, in politics longer than your wife wanted you to be. I'm sure that's had its own conversation. We won't get into that. She knows, she knows, she knows, she knows why I'm doing. But you must have, she's fully supportive. You must have something inside of you that believes you, there's a chance. But there's something that can move here.

Yeah, I'll never give up hope. Yeah. I'll never give up hope. So what is the way for? Is it more the people? It's all, it's truth. I mean, I mean, the truth is a way. It just is.

I mean, it's, it's the truth. It has its own power. I have to believe it has its own power. I do try and counsel the people that are in this struggle with me. Only talk about what you know. Try not to marginalize yourself. I try not to use certain terms because I think it's important that those of us who are really fighting this battle

don't make bigger targets of ourselves than we already are, and we're big targets. I mean, they want to destroy us. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind they want to destroy us. I have personal experience in terms of how they go about doing it. They're very good at it. Well, I think I just want to say this, because first of all, it is an absolute honor to get to sit here with you in person.

As a journalist, and that's the only reason I'm in this, is because I felt like my job was simply to ask questions and to try and uncover the truth where I could find it. And we felt for the beginning of this, just what is happening inside the capital, you know, what's happening inside our government, and what is really still is the greatest nation in the world and the greatest experiment that's ever taken place under a complete, you know, seizure right now. It's just, it's, it's so scary to see what's going on in this country when we think about what we believed

about this country as I grew up and read my history books. But I want to say that knowing you're in here and Rand Paul and, you know, a few other voices in here gives me hope. And I want to say this, that, you know, I don't have to run for election, but I get to watch the ratings. I get to see, you know, the amount of people that are taking this information. We get to see what happens when we put your videos out there and your hearings out there. We're watching the millions of people, which when this began was thousands, then tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands, then millions. I've never been under some, you know, belief that a politician can change the world.

We know how messed up the system is. But I believe that the pitchforks and the, you know, the torches are outside the gates of this government right now. And it's a growing cacophony of people that just want the truth. And so I can say this, that what you have to look at is not only do we only have to have about 2, 2.5% of the infants have been vaccinated. I think the biggest number that we have to look at and how much value has the work you've done had is the fact that I think still only 30% of the people

that are up for the booster shot have gotten in. CDC is recommending it. That means to me 70% of those who believed in this product that don't want to hear the things that we've got to say, well, they know something. And they're going against now the CDC's recommendation. We have a growing body of people that have reached a place, and I think it's the majority now. Now, whether it's a voting majority or it's able to make change, I think that politicians that don't recognize what you've recognized about the truth,

I think they're going to be shocked to see what happens over the next couple of years. And if you keep doing what you're doing, I believe we can bring the people to change this country. Well, listen, you're a hero to me. What you've done, you provided people the truth and you've been careful and people you've had. I hesitate to paraphrase a wonderful quote, but just got this from the doctor groups. It's Margaret Mead had a pretty good quote, something to the effect of never doubt that a few people can save the world because in reality, that's all that's ever saved it. So again, it is, America is something rare and precious. Our founders never could have envisioned a beast this large.

The whole point of this thing, I've got the Tenth Amendment up on my wall here. You know, government should be close to the government, not this faraway place in Washington, D.C. So we're seeing, you know, we are seeing the impact of an out-of-control government that takes on more and more power. And, of course, as government grows, our freedoms necessarily receive. And that's what we're witnessing here. Yes. And what's unfortunate was too many of our fellow citizens have willingly, over the decades, given up their freedom for a false sense security.

And I don't think there's ever been a greater example of that as during the pandemic. You just have to believe that the truth will have an impact, and we'll just keep doing everything we can and get it out there. So thank you for all you've done. Thank you for all you've done. You are a hero. And, you know, we need more like you in this crazy town here in Washington. DC, but it's an honor.

That's a real pleasure. My honor, too. Well, I definitely want to thank Senator Ron Johnson and his team that were up very late, giving us the time to do that interview, and also for the years of dedication, put into bringing the truth, literally when almost nobody else would slogging through the swamp, a beacon of light truly as we watched that interview. such an amazing representative for the people. And in a spectacular time that we now find ourselves in,

I don't think that interview could be in a more important time to recognize where we now stand. And, you know, when we think of that quote by Margaret Mead, you know, it's not just Senator Johnson, it's not Del Beatrice, it's us. Do you realize we've done this? We together, do you think that they would be admitting they made a mistake if you hadn't shared every video,

that was out there, the different videos that we put out in the highwire and shared the statements by all these great doctors like Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Corey and all the rest of the amazing people that have been here in the high wire, if you weren't helping us, if you weren't getting this out there,

mainstream media would have gotten away with this. This COVID cartel would have not only destroyed our country which in many ways they have, but we would have vaccine passports and we would have them literally having some sort of victory celebration over a vaccine that they were telling us worked because we just believed it because

the only media that was out there was telling us what a great success everything was. But it was only because of the high wire and other groups like ours and Senator Ron Johnson. And you, you sharing these stories, sharing these videos, risking your own Facebook channels, risking your own YouTube channels and your Twitter feeds, you have made a difference, but we must recognize where we are at together right now. They are acquiescing. They are admitting they've made a mistake because there's nothing else they can do.

We have made their mistakes mainstream. But we cannot, as they are now sort of staggering around, let them stay in control, let them go back and fix the problems that they've made. They have murdered hundreds of thousands of people in America, millions around the world by the denial of drugs that worked from the very beginning, by forcing a product that injures and kills, myocarditis in higher, higher numbers as we see this data around the world coming in. And yet they are still there.

They're still in power. We still have to put up with Tony Fauci, you know, up there on the news camera. There are victories. We are living in it. Not only are we seeing the CDC buckle now, you know, and starting to say it wants to, you know, fix things up of what we're seeing lawsuit wins that no one ever thought would happen. Did you see this week $10 million potentially being awarded to health care workers who wanted a religious exemption and were denied that religious exemption,

the courts looking like they're moving in their favor? The Air Force, our own military, our own air in Syria, winning a lawsuit, or at least temporary injunction, then a full injunction, proud to announce our firm along with at Chris Weiss 11 and Tom Burns just obtained a national preliminary injunction prohibiting the Air Force Space Force and Air National Guard from penalizing service members that refused the COVID-19 vaccine religious or avoided it for religious reasons. This is happening. We are winning lawsuits. And by the way, what can you do? If you are a person of means, if you got screwed by this, sue. Get out.

Start using the court systems. We must not let off the pressure. I meant it when Senator Ron Johnson and I were sitting there and he was right. History is written by the victors. What are we deciding right now? When you're tuning in, we're deciding, how much of this video do I share? Do I share this with my friends that are Democrats? Do I share this?

You have to understand, do you hear the reason in this man? Do you think just because you're a Republican, we can't hear it? People can understand reason. We must not be afraid. Now is the time we share the truth more than ever. They want us to go back to sleep. They want us to go, oh, great, the CDC is taking care of it. It's all over.

We're through the pandemic. You are nuts if you think that's what's happening. They are not going to, you know, lessen their grip. They're going to figure out how the next time they can grip harder if they are allowed to hold on to control. We have a Ron Johnson inside of our government. We have Iran Paul and a few others. But we the people are the ones that make those voices matter. We are the ones that need to be the victors.

We are the ones that are going to write the history, the real history, based on truth and transparency. And the Hippocratic oath for every doctor to do no harm, to stay out of the doctor-patient relationship. Get the CDC out of there. Get the FDA out of there. They have no business. They have no talent. And they just prove that to the world. change is upon us. Let's relish this moment. Let's appreciate the fact that there are Ron Johnson's

in our government and in governments around the world as we speak. Seek them out, speak to them, support them, speak to each other, tell the truth, share the truth so that we become the pages of the history books that are remembered. This is the high wire. It's a proud day for us at the High Wire. It's a proud day for all of Americans as our government is forced to reckon with the fact that it has messed up. And now the people rise for the truth. I'll see you next week.