The Highwire with Del Bigtree - PEDIATRICIAN DISCUSSES HIS FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE WITH THE MEASLES

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

Board Certified Pediatrician, Lawrence Palevsky, MD, discusses when he recognized the corruption in conventional medicine and the need for a new paradigm in western medicine. Get practical information on early detection of measles in your children and safe ways to decrease the severity of illness as well as recommendations on holistic ways of treating other common childhood illnesses.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

Where do you go if you need to understand how to just keep your kid healthy? I'd say you go to Larry Pilefsky. This is Larry's story. I entered NYU School of Medicine in 1983, finishing in 1987. The majority of the material presented in medical school was these are the diseases and these are the ways in which you treat them. A lot of the young doctors barely know how to do a good history and a good physical. and they just do a symptom, here's a prescription, you're out of the office. That's not pediatric medicine to me.

The safety that I would want for kids, having taken the Hippocratic Oath of First Do No Harm, is not happening. The vaccines are not safe the way we're told that they're safe. I want to ensure that if we're going to prevent infectious diseases and children, that we don't create something worse in its place. They don't do the science to determine. whether these ingredients are safe. And because people cannot accept that vaccine injury is real,

we have every right to challenge. The demand for the kind of medicine that I practice is only increasing. Critical thinking, ask questions, and be willing to learn something new. Well, it's my honor and pleasure to be joined by one of my favorite people in the world today, Larry Pilewski. Dr. Polevsky, thank you for taking the time. Oh, it's a pleasure to be here, Del. Thank you. And I want to give you some credit. Some of the studies I just rambled through that made me look like really smart were sent over by you.

This is a lot of what I know you share with your clients. But, you know, you went through the medical system. You were trained to be a pediatrician. You obviously cared about children. Did you always, did you recognize in schooling that, that maybe some of this was overly dreamy or maybe built on assumptions? Like, where did it start sort of shifting for you? Well, Del, when I was in medical school, we were just giving the DPT shot, the oral polio, and the MMR. And it wasn't until 1989 when I was in my second year of residency,

that we started giving the homophilous influenza B vaccine to kids two months of age and older. And then 1991, the hepatitis B vaccine came along. And then in 1995, the varicella vaccine came along. And then late 90s, a mother came to me and said, Dr. Larry, do you know that there's mercury in vaccines? And 15 years after starting medical school, I had no idea. And it just opened up a Pandora's box of, well, what else is in these vaccines and what studies are available to evaluate the safety of these ingredients?

And what I found was daunting. And every time I brought the real science or lack of real science to my colleagues, they turned away and just would not want to talk to me. And that's when I knew I was on to something. And then I started listening to parents, especially parents whose children got the MMR and deteriorated within days, weeks, or months. And every pediatrician around them would gaslight them. And I was taught in the 80s by the doctors in my residency program who practiced pediatrics in New York. since the 1940s, always listen to the mother. She knows her child best.

Yeah. So, I mean, and you're bringing up a topic that I didn't even cover. I mean, we're not even getting into the injuries, potential injuries that are written right on the insert, right in the warning label, encephalitis being one of them, brain swelling, which very easily could lead to a symptom like autism. We're not talking about the multiple scrosis or all the other things that are potential side effects of many of the vaccines that are, going on there, that would even weigh even more against this saving of the 600 that would potentially die from measles, right? But are my stats right? Do you, does it seem like we could be, you know, that this vaccine program is leading to maybe 200,000 deaths that didn't need to happen from

cardiovascular disease and millions of cancers? Well, when you were showing study after study, I was smiling and I was shaking my head. because I'm aware of those studies, and I don't know why my colleagues in pediatrics and medicine are not aware of these studies. We knew from the 1980s when I was training that the children in the practices of my mentors from the 1940s all the way up to the 1980s, who had measles, who had mumps, who had rebella, who had chicken pox. They always saw a developmental growth spurt in these children after the children ended, the majority of them over 99% ended their acute illnesses without any problems. And of course, that means that you're pruning, you're pruning the immune system,

you're pruning the brain. And the challenge that I saw when I first started learning about the MMR was if I were a physician back then and a mother came to me and said, my kid was fine, and all of a sudden got the MMR and stopped looking at me, stopped talking, started babbling, hitting himself, banging her head against the wall, spinning in circles. My first question, which is still to this day, though, what is in the MMR that has the potential to enter the brain and potentially cause this type of neuroinflammation? Now, I found those ingredients.

They're right there. If you read about sorbitol, if you read about sorbitol with sodium phosphate, if you read about sorbitol with sodium phosphate, If you read about sorbitol with sodium phosphate and sucrups, which are the first three ingredients in the MMR, and you study what those ingredients do, you'll find that they help open up the blood brain barrier. You'll find that sorbitol is used as a carrier in oncology for attaching to chemotherapeutic agents so they can pass into the brain across the blood brain barrier. So question, is the same thing happening when children get the MMR? Is that sorbitol binding in any way? Is it creating enough of a concentration that it opens the blood brain barrier, allowing for material from the blood from the MMR vaccine to easily pass into the brain

the way sorbitol would attach to drugs for people who had brain cancer and allow those drugs to penetrate into the brain. And I just think why, it's the answers are right there. Right. You know, sometimes I hear people say, you know, we should do more studies. I'm like, wait a second, we have so much study already. Yeah. It's really amazing.

And you're right. The mechanisms are already there to say that there's no mechanism. We can go on for days. I know you've done a lot of work on this. You're also talk about it. I want to just sort of get into basics because I do think there are going to be, you know, we know that vaccine rates are starting to drop. People are deciding not to vaccinate on their own.

As I said, I'm not telling anyone what to do with their lives. I'm just showing the science. And sometimes as I just did, I say why I make the choices that I do. It does come with some risk. Everything does. I also taught my kids to ski at like three or four years. old is dangerous. It's how I, you know, but that's how I grew up. But for people that are new to this, that are used to just using vaccines and drugs all the time, and as the report says, many of these

doctors don't, they misdiagnosed, they don't even know what measles looks like. So, you know, you've been in New York. You've dealt with the, the Hasidic Jewish community. I know when those outbreaks happen, how do you treat a case of measles when it comes through your door? So first of all, I want to reiterate that measles infection in and of itself is not a deadly disease. It can resolve and does resolve 99 plus percent of the time. And when it does present, it does present with a fever and a rash that starts on the forehead and on the face. And as the rash develops on the forehead and the face, it starts to descend down the fever. the body and as it descends down the body it coalesces on the face and the neck so instead of it

just being dots on the face in the neck it's now one big red rash the kids usually have the three C's cough conjunctivitis which is pink eye yeah and cariza which is runny nose and if the pediatricians in texas are smart enough if they really think that what they're seeing is measles, then any kid who starts with a fever without a rash, they should look in the mouth because there's something called coplic spots, K-O-P-L-I-K,

that develop on the inside of the cheek down at the lower edge of the mouth where you can identify lesions that are classically pathognomic, meaning if you see them, it is measles. You don't need a test. Okay. It is measles.

So then what do you do? What do you do once you've detected it? I mean, does it just leave it on its own, let it run its course? Well, the most important thing for parents to understand is not to suppress the fever with acedomininin. That drug can reduce the very chemical in the body called glutathione that your child with measles needs to complete the rest of the disease. Because when you see measles, what you are seeing is an elimination of so many wastes and toxins that are being helped out from the body with the action of this measles virus.

Mucous is a great carrier of wastes, toxins, and impurities. The cough is a great opportunity to get all of that stuff out. and the fever is a great opportunity to burn it as well. So try not to do anything to suppress the fever. Now there are remedies that you can use to help your kid feel better. There's essential oils. There's warm baths. There's cloths, cool cloths on the head. There's homeopathy. It's very easy to learn which remedy to use. Most importantly, put your kid in a quiet, dark room. Don't Increase the activity of the house. Keep the lights down dim and make sure your child stays hydrated.

Warm fluids, not juices, not sodas, not milk, not formula, but warm broths, teas, soups, and quiet. Let your child sweat it out. And if there's anything that mothers and other practitioners have taught me over the years, lie down with your child, skin to skin. and let your child heal. Once you've done the bath, and then come out of the bath and get under the covers.

The CDC even recommends vitamin A. And I would wanna know if that child who died in the hospital actually got vitamin A as recommended by the CDC. And what medications the child may have gotten that may have actually reversed a rather benign course of an illness, that became much more fatal and maybe the child died from that. You point out the vitamin A, I want to bring up something as I was going through this,

in that Sri Lanka that determined that they had eradicated measles and then years later, it came back around. In the outbreak, crowding and consequent intense exposure, underlying illness and vitamin A deficiency have been associated with the severity of measles. Prior to the outbreak in Sri Lanka, children did not routinely receive vitamin A supplementation, And the vitamin was not used routinely in the management of measles cases. However, in 2001, a supplementary program was begun in the country. What it ends up saying is that their death rate, as we know, from the vital statistics I showed,

should be 1 in 10,000. I think it's even better than that if they were all treating the way that you did, if we calmed down. But, you know, but 1 in 10,000, it was 1 in 1,000 in India. Certainly not the 1 in 10 that the NHS has in the, their literature, which is absolutely insane. But one in a thousand, and they said that high rate was caused by vitamin A deficiency. They have that problem in Africa and India where they eat a lot of rice and do not get the vitamin A. So there's vitamin A supplementation programs just to prove your point.

How important vitamin A is. The World Health Organization recognizes that when we have bad outbreaks where we see deaths, it's usually because of a vitamin A deficiency. And not only, that though. I mean the data that I saw is 50,000 I use or international units for any child less than six months of age, 100,000 I use for children six months to a year, and 200,000 I use for children above, I think it's actually two years, from six months to two years, 100,000, and then 200,000 above two years of age. And the science shows that if you give the vitamin A in consecutive days. So two or more days,

you actually decrease the severity of illness and you decrease fatality than if you just give it for only one day. And of course, vitamin C is very important. You can overdose on vitamin C, and if the child gets belly pain or diarrhea, you know you've gone too far, and so just scale back.

And you can also use n-acetyl cysteine, which is a very important precursor, of glutathione, 300 milligrams probably for a young child, 300 milligrams twice a day for a child above two, and then maybe 600 milligrams a day above six, and then 600 milligrams twice a day above a child the age of six. So we can actually help support these children. I've seen it, I've done it, and in the 27 years of working with children whose families have not vaccinated, them. I've never seen a death from measles. That's 27 years of cases. And I want to say that I find it really interesting, though, that they want to eradicate the measles virus by introducing a live

virus vaccine. I know. It's really crazy by introducing it to the public. There's some reports that in Texas, some doctors are being told to give the MMR vaccine as a treatment while infected. with measles. I don't know about you. I've looked for it. I see no science around that. What I do see is that vaccine should never be delivered. It says if you have a fever. What do you think? I mean, if someone's doing that, how, what are your thoughts on that? I mean, think about it. What if you give an MMR to a child who already has measles tiders? Or what if you give an MMR to a child who is in the prodrome phase, meaning they're about to get sick from measles? and they have no clinical symptoms,

and then you go ahead and give them the MMR. And I think it's very, very dangerous for us to even conclude how many of these children actually had measles just because the news reports it. Because remember, if anything COVID taught us, Dell, is that if a person came into the ER with a motorcycle accident or a heart attack or a stroke

and tested positive for, COVID and then died in the ER. That official death on the death certificate was COVID, not a motorcycle accident, not a stroke, and not a heart attack. And so I really need more information about this child's death from measles or I can say anything else. I, um, do you, is there a rule of thumb? I was actually sitting at dinner the other night with, um, some representatives, uh, from Texas,

great dinner but one of the guys says I got to go my infant my grandchild is being rushed to the hospital because they have a hundred and four degree temperature I believe the child was about six months old I think they were under one years old my mom never would have rushed us to the hospital with a 104 degree temperature but is there a rule of thumb on fevers because I mean measles presents with fever I think mumps you can get a fever right there's a lot of things that sort of start with fever. What is a rule of thumb of when I need to take it seriously and say maybe this is a little bit more out of control we should get into a hospital?

Well, Del, I want to refer back to the session we did in January of 2019 when we talked about fever and pediatrics on the high wire itself. So I hope that that episode is made available. that people go yeah yep because because when i was training as a as a physician we were taught don't look at the number on the thermometer look at the child okay if you see a child with 104 fever 104 and that child is looking at you babbling talking head is up the child is interacting communicating tolerating fluids would you worry about that child versus a child whose temperature was a hundred point four and the child was listless lethargic wouldn't pick up his or her head didn't talk to you couldn't be woken up and wasn't looking at you i would be more concerned about the child who was

100.4 okay and i don't think a we physician would disagree with me on that i don't worry about the number on the thermometer i worry about a checklist of what the child looks like and how the child is behaving before I would worry about the number on the thermometer. It's, if you have a practice, you know, you have a lot of unvaccinated individuals. We've got Paul Thomas out there, has a bunch of studies of over 10,000 patients of his. He keeps saying, my unvaccinated are the healthiest. I mean, this is going to be the heart of an ongoing conversation, something that I hope Robert Kennedy Jr. does.

we need a comparative study between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. But what is the anecdotal evidence? Do you make recommendations around vaccinations now of your own? Or how do you talk to patients that ask a question about it? Well, first of all, the parents in my practice are the ones who know that their vaccinated eldest children are sicker than their partially vaccinated middle children than their unvaccinated younger children. So they report it and I've heard it nonstop over the last 27 years. Yeah. And of course, I've observed it. But you know, the old paradigm or the actually the current

paradigm, but I think it's the old paradigm is I'm the doctor. I tell you what to do and therefore you need to vaccinate or your child will die. Similarly to that, the other side of that paradigm is I'm the doctor. I'm telling you not to do that because if you don't, do that, your child will die. And so that paradigm to me is dead. And the paradigm in which I practice is truly informed consent. My job is to offer parents the scientific and clinical information that they're not getting from Joe pediatrician, that they're not getting from the media, and that they're not getting from the mainstream scientific community. And I asked them to weigh the information that they're told, a lot of which is anecdotal,

with the information that I provide them, which is often scientific, often out of the journals. And then they can see how to make an informed consent. And then they become empowered, and they become educated. And when parents are educated, and when parents are empowered, proper decisions are made, fearless decisions are made, and there's much greater health in the house

than if the parents are walking around in fear. My last question, you know, we've been on many stages. You and I have both stood with Robert Kennedy Jr. at times and spoke on the same stage. Our guy is now head of HHS. What does that mean for you? What does that mean as you,

as you look at the profession of pediatrics? Well, I think medicine is splitting, Del. It's splitting to protocol, algorithm, AI, newfound medicine that doesn't need doctors or nurse practitioners or even nurses. And it's moving towards what I consider a new paradigm of medicine, which is really old is new again.

We're actually, we're able to sit with patients, talk to them, be in relationship with them, hear them, take a history, actually examine a child. And if what I remember can be brought back is that the history will tell you 95% of your diagnosis. And what I see in pediatrics today is the history is almost never taken. Even the physical exam is almost never done. And parents are just giving prescriptions and out the door. And yet when I see in how to take the history with parents, how to do the physical with parents, how to go through the differential diagnosis with parents, we come up with the answers so easily

and parents can understand how to better take care of their kids. And so what I like to see and what I know RFK Jr. is really, really pushing towards is let's do common sense, good medicine that's based, on a good background in science and a good background in research and a good background in clinical medicine that actually honors health instead of just looks at disease where we actually are able to look at root causes and when parents say to me Dr. Larry how can I strengthen my child's immune system I could actually step back and say to them why would you think that your child is weak, that your child needs to be strengthened. Why don't we start from the place

that your child is really strong and figure out how not to weaken your child going forward? Amazing. Larry, your website is one of the most important ones. Every once in a while you run to a wild little experience, you know, my daughter had this rib-splitting pain the last time. It was like She was screaming, yelling. I went to your website. Let's bring that up. Is this the best place to get you? I mean, you have so much there.

I don't even have to call you. Your website is just brilliant on that. But here it is, Lawrence, Dr. Polevsky.com, folks, there is not a greater resource in the world. And whether you vaccinate, I don't care, whatever you do, you're still going to have those moments. Kids have their moments. They've got to clear things from the body. They're going to have fever.

They're going to have issues. It's really a great resource. But I would recommend, Larry, it's better to go to that website and check it out before you have the issue, because it's really hard to read clearly when your kid is screaming and crying and really upset, right? Sure is. And, you know, I think, Del, what I'm hoping that parents get from reading my website is that they understand the new value of why children get sick. And the old paradigm says children only get sick because they catch something.

But if we really broaden our understanding of illness and acute illness, we recognize that children get sick in an attempt to become more well, in an attempt to remove and cleanse, waste, toxins, impurities, and inflammation, as they mature and go forward. And if we're ever going to understand why we have, have so many chronic diseases in our country, one of them has to be to understand that suppressing acute illnesses with over-the-counter medicines and pharmaceutical drugs is a major contributor to chronic disease because when they get suppressed, their bodies stop removing the wastes,

the toxins, the impurities. And we all know when we look at the definition of chronic illness, We see it's chronic inflammation dealt. Chronic inflammation comes because we didn't get rid of the acute inflammation when we needed to. So the new paradigm says let's understand acute illness a little differently than just an infection.