The Highwire with Del Bigtree - RIGGED: OLIVIA’S STORY

Episode Date: January 10, 2023

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Our investigations go into a lot of different places, but what puts us on the map and what brings us here started with my work on Vaxed, which was all about the injured children from the MMR vaccine. Well, now the vaccine, de jour, the one the world is talking about is bringing injuries like we've never seen it. And so this week, it's another chance for an episode of what we are calling rigged. The speed did not compromise safety, nor did it compromise scientific integrity. A nationwide pediatric vaccine trial. I need to take this out. Maddie? Mattie.

Push, Maddie. The vaccine is so critical to be able to get us through this pandemic and back to normal. If I could go back in time, I would not have done the trial. If the government won't help us. If the drug companies won't help us, who will help us? In the last segment of Rigg, we interviewed Maddie deGerry and her family who were involved in the Pfizer trials. Well, this week we're going to feature the story of Olivia, who was in the Moderna trials. This is Olivia's story.

Well, today marks the start of a critical week for vaccine developers as phase three human trials began for some of the most promising vaccines. One of those is the Moderna vaccine developed along with the National Institutes of Health as part of Operation Warp Speed. In August of 2020 is when I started participating in Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine trial. I have a history at Coastal Carolina Research Center. I had been going there 10 years off and on and participated in four migraine studies. So they knew me as a very healthy volunteer. I wanted to get vaccinated for COVID-19 because my son has asthma and my mother

had a heart attack about a year prior to the pandemic and I didn't want to give them COVID. I had my first dose of the Moderna vaccine August 25th of 2020. They made me sit there for about 20 minutes to see how I was doing. It was about maybe five minutes after I received the shot that my arm was burning. It just kind of dismissed it and then they told me I was free to go. I sent them a message and asked them them if I could still be in the study if I didn't get the second dose because my arm was hurting that bad, but they didn't respond. So I went in for my second shot on September 28th, 2020.

Dr. Santiago came in. She asked me about my arm. She said she thought it was probably a bicep injury. She didn't think that it was caused by the vaccine and that she would leave it up to me. So I said, okay, well, I get it then. Four days after I received the second dose of the vaccine is when I started to feel really bad. I was, like, stuttering and I couldn't remember, like, words. I was having really bad brain fog. I was really off balance, like things were falling out of my hands. I was kind of walking funny, like I had sick legs, like kind of wobbling back and forth.

I called the clinic and told them something was wrong that I didn't feel right. When I got to the clinic, Dr. Santiago came in, she was behind a glass, and she asked me, what was my worst symptom? And I said, the pressure inside my head. She didn't respond. She just looked at me. Nothing sent me on my way. I feel like they left me on my own, and I feel like Coastal Carolina Research Center didn't take me serious at first when I told them something was wrong with me. I became more aware of how bad my shoulder was hurting.

I seen my general doctor. She said, you need an MRI. I contacted Dr. Stroud. I know I asked her at least five times, can you ask Moderna to get me an MRI? And her last answer was, well, I asked them and they're not going to do it. So the best way to do it is through my insurance company. So for the next two months, I was having nerve pain. and I was having what they called zingers or burners,

where you would lose all the feeling here, like through your shoulder and throughout your arm, and then it would come back. As soon as the approval came through, I had my MRI. The MRI revealed that I had a high-grade tear of the super spinautus, which requires surgery. The MRI had also revealed that I had

two significantly swollen lip notes under my back's arm. Dr. DeMarco, my Orrador, My orthopedic surgeon said that the damage to my shoulder wasn't caused by improper needle placement when I was being injected, that it was actually to the vaccine. It was my inflammation response to the vaccine itself that caused the damage in my shoulder. Five months after the second vaccine, I was on the surgery table getting surgery on my shoulder from the vaccine. I had to sleep upright for a month. I had to wear a sling for six weeks. I had to do about five months of physical therapy.

Oh, it was miserable. It was the most miserable time. Well, obviously, you know, things were not going well for Olivia. She is asking for the help to get MRIs and having difficulty getting Moderna to help with that, which I just think is shocking just in itself. You're in a trial. whatever takes place, whether you think it's happening from the vaccine or not, this is a trial. This is a brand new technology. Nobody knows how it works. Everything the patient is experiencing,

I think any of us that would be in a trial would assume that that's going to be taken care of immediately. And we'll figure out later whether or not it was caused by the vaccine. But you're dedicating your life to science. You're dedicating yourself to, you know, a purpose to try and save the world, you would think that we were taking care of these people. But nothing could be further from the truth, because as we followed Olivia's story, it didn't stop with just an issue in her shoulder that needed surgery. She started having other adverse events further down the road. Four months after my shoulder surgery, I was back in the operating room under general anesthesia getting some lip nodes removed from up under my Vax arm. He told me he had to take

three that they were very large and they were melted together and they were very odd in color and he's never seen lip nodes like that and anyone who didn't have cancer. They tested them and they were negative for cancer and he did a skin biopsy and it came back positive for a connective tissue disorder. This got so bad where I was just losing my will to live. To this day, I have a lot of pain that I don't have an explanation for. I have joint pain in both knees. They hurt all the time. My shoulder is still hurting. I have awful fatigue. The last doctor that I saw was a lupus specialist. Her hypothesis about my lymph nodes. is that it's an ongoing reaction to the vaccine. I don't have the energy to have the same life that I had before. I was a type of person. I could go to the beach, come home, clean the house, still exercise.

And now, I mean, just anything just wears me out so much. I thought if anything went wrong with me, that they would be interested in what was going on and that they would provide medical care or send me to a doctor that they approved of. They approved of, at least, but they did not do any of that. I very much regret getting the vaccine. If I could go back in time, I would not have done the trial.

Just this little bitty shot, a vial. I mean, how could it cause so much harm? I just feel foolish for risking my health. So Olivia was having ongoing issues, moving from issues in her arm, shooting pain through and then discovering that there were lymph node issues and lymph nodes that needed to be removed. So multiple surgeries to deal with all of these issues. And what's unique about this story is in this case, the doctors that are working with Olivia are saying, I believe this is the

result. Your shoulder pain is the result, not of misplacement of the needle, but of your reaction to the vaccine. Same thing with the doctor that's talking about the lymph nodes and looking to lupus and things like that, saying it appears you. are having adverse reactions to this experimental vaccine that you are literally in an experiment with. Now that was going to be the end of our interview and this story, but as things go in our world as we were working on this project and developing it and working on Maddie's story and others that are coming in the future some time passed and that time allowed for

Olivia to move into a different set of issues. In fact, issues that we've been discussing here on the high wire, as we've talked about the mechanisms by which we are seeing in this vaccine, as we've said, you know, we've had on Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist that talked about his concern, that the toll-like receptors, which is the sort of guardians of your immune system, they have purposely put them to sleep with this vaccine by altering the DNA structure of the spike protein that's in the vaccine. We've talked about how the real concern is future illnesses and inability to stop infections or perhaps even lead to cancers. And so where this story might have ended, it wouldn't have been the full story because

now things are shifting for Olivia. And she has a new struggle that she's involved with. It's been just a little over two years since I joined the Moderna trial and I've been to the doctor probably 200 times. I know I had four surgeries and I've gotten worse. I went into my dermatologist for this itch on my back that was driving me crazy. It had been itching and itching and itching and couldn't stand it anymore. I couldn't sleep. So she did a biopsy and almost two weeks go by and then she calls me and she says,

We saw something that looks suggestive of T-cell lymphoma. So they did four more biopsies, one on my right arm, one on my back, one on my stomach, and then one on my left back's arm. And they all came back just suggestive of T-cell lymphoma, except for the one on my back's arm came back definite T-cell lymphoma. They told me that you have a very slow-moving cancer and don't worry and everything's going to be fine. Sure enough, a month later, I had a rash on my stomach and a rash on my back.

They treated me with a very powerful retinoid called acetritin, but unfortunately, I had a lot of severe side effects from it. Heart palpitations, extreme dizziness. I lost a lot of hair, about 40%. My eyelashes and eyebrows were falling out, and I started to get heart problems. It seemed to work on my skin for about a month or two, but then it just stopped. stopped working and I just had like this lymphoma explosion all over my skin. Very uncomfortable, like bubbly rash. It burned and clothing bothered me. I could only wear nightgowns around the house that were very soft and loose dresses

when I went anywhere. So they wanted to do another blood test and then the Cesare cell showed up. what they call T-cell lymphoma and with blood involvement, they're called Cesare cells. It's only been five months since I was diagnosed with T-cell lymphoma and they told me that it would take 20 or 30 years before it moved to the blood and it's moved to the blood already. It's a rare cancer that has been, has become aggressive fast. You would start out at like usually 1A or 1B, but mine's already 3A. I know. I just got it. It means that I'm going to have chemotherapy that I'm going to have a lot harder

time controlling the lymphoma, suppressing it. If you Google it, it says your survival is due for years. I'm not doing well at all. I'm just sick all the time and I'm 80% covered In rashes, I'm losing weight, even though I keep eating. I don't sleep very well. I feel like I am coming down with the flu all the time. With T-cell lymphoma, there's no cure. There's only suppression. The biggest problem is that I have a son that I don't want to leave.

My fear is that lymphoma will progress rapidly, unexpectedly. And I'll be too sick to do anything at all. I'll be too sick to take care of my son and that I'll just want to die. I know I got this vaccine that's caused me to have a rare cancer that has progressed way faster than was supposed to. It's beyond my control. My only option is to just have faith in God. It's hard to imagine going through any one of the issues that Olivia has been struggling. Olivia has been struggling with. But let's go ahead and find out from her where she's had and

what's going on here. It's my honor and pleasure to be joined by Olivia. Livia, first of all, I want to thank you for sharing your story. It can't be easy to have to sort of share those details of your life, but I think it's important. What was it like as you were watching us play those videos? It was just breaking my heart. I try not to think about it all the time. Well, it's constant, right? It's a constant part of your life now. It must be difficult to not think about.

That's true. Yeah. Every day, almost every moment is a struggle of not feeling like the person that I used to. Take me through some of this. I want to sort of go back to the beginning. What really is your first issue is this pain in your arm. When you first really brought that up with the people that were running the trial, what did they say to you?

Did they say, we're going to get right on that, we're going to take care of you? How were you handled by the people that had sort of put this, were running the trial? Well, in the beginning, they were just ignoring me when I was telling them about my problems. And then they wanted to bring me in for a COVID test, but they were only concerned. on whether or not I had COVID. They weren't really worried about any of the other problems that I was having. So you're saying I'm having pain, I'm having issues, my head has major pressure, my arm really hurts,

and they're there just testing you for COVID. When you show up for this trial and you're one of the participants, is it just like a nurse in a regular hospital or what is the experience like? Well, I went to their office and they made me go in a side door, going to side door. And then the doctor was behind glass. And the nurse that was there to draw eight vials of blood, and she had on like full protective gear.

Was that weird to see doctors basically in hazmat suits dealing with you, you know, when you're a participant in a trial? It was weird in a way, but in a way it wasn't weird because the media had everyone so freaked out. about COVID. Now tell me about, you know, getting the MRI. You said basically you report I have this issue and the head of the trial is telling you I'm reaching out to Moderna. What were you expecting Moderna to do with this injury to your arm? What do you think they should have done? I was expecting them to follow the contract that said that if I was injured by a result of the

study drug that they would get me proper medical care and they didn't do any of that. I asked them several times to get me an MRI because that's what my general practitioner ordered for me, but my insurance company denied it at first. They wanted me to do two months of physical therapy before they even would pay for the MRI, which I had to do, but I couldn't do physical therapy. I had to go twice a week. But when I got there, I couldn't do anything. I just lay there.

And I wouldn't even let them massage me because it hurts so bad. Like it would provoke the nerve pain that I was feeling. So they would just like rub my neck. I couldn't let them go anywhere near my shoulder. So we have what, you know, was a part of your signing, you know, into this trial and what they promised to you. Let me read that right now for our audience. This is, will you receive compensation if you're injured as a result of the study?

This was in the document that Olivia was given. If you become sick or injured as a direct result of a study procedure or properly administered study vaccine, called a 24-hour telephone contact number list on the first page of this consent form. Additionally, appropriate medical care for the treatment of the illness or injury will be provided to you. The sponsor may pay for the reasonable and necessary costs associated with this care. Provision of medical care does not imply any fault or wrongdoing on the part of the sponsor, your study doctor, or the study center. By signing and dating this document, you will not lose any of your legal rights or release

anyone involved in the research from responsibility for mistakes. So I take it you call this hotline they're talking about. You tell them you have major arm pain and they don't do anything about it. They leave you just to yourself. You've got to figure this out on your own. Right. I called the front page, which was actually a Coastal Carolina Research Center to Dr. Strout, and I told her several times.

And she said, okay, well, I'll ask them. And I also called, there's a number on the back page of the informed consent that, for Atvara. And Avara is an organization that's supposed to look out for trial members. And I reported it to them, too, but they were no help. They just took down the information. So nobody's doing anything. You're on your own. Your insurance company is pushing back, which I have to say I find it shocking that the insurance

company would push back at all. You are a trial participant in a totally brand new technology. This is an experiment beyond anything we've done. Nobody knows what MRNA means. We don't know what it's going to do to your DNA. We don't know what's going on. And I think any reasonable person would imagine that insurance companies that are apparently supporting people, going into these trials because we're being told by our government that these trial participants

are trying to help us get this vaccine out so that we can all feel safe and protected by it. And the insurance company would think, say, hey, we don't know what's going on, but you're a trial participant. I would think as soon as I read that, get her whatever she needs. Instead, they're making you get painful massages and try to do exercise when they don't even know what the issue is that's going on. That is shocking. You must have been so frustrated. I was in agony. Yeah, I was very frustrated. I had to file grievances with the insurance company to try to get them to cover the MRI. I know that, I mean, I knew that I needed surgery and you can't get an MRI. I mean, you can't get surgery until you've had the MRI so they could see what they're supposed to do. So yeah, I was in pure agony at that time. Let me ask you this, because you are not getting help from the Moderna. You're not getting help from the doctors that are running the trials.

No one's returning your call, so you're left with your own general practitioners, and ultimately you get to an orthopedic surgeon. I imagine it's looking at your arm. That surgeon is telling you, I need an MRI in order to see what's going on. Did that doctor say, yeah, go ahead and do physical therapy? That'll fix it, or were they saying, no, you need an MRI? who told you you needed physical therapy? Was it the insurance company?

Yes, it was the insurance company who said I needed physical therapy. That was the only way that I could get the MRI was to do physical therapy. That's what they told my general practitioner. So then she wrote a prescription for physical therapy and I had to go. Even though I couldn't do it, I had to go. What's amazing about this is Moderna is not responding and you're being left to your own, you're finding your own doctors, you're on your own path. I want to bring up that that doctor looking at your shoulder did state he believed this was a vaccine injury.

We have proof of that. This is rare, so I want to read this. This is a referral by this doctor, and he diagnoses it as a T50-759S, which is an adverse effect of vaccine sequela. He basically said to you, this isn't what we've heard about, like an injury because they put the needle in the wrong place and the muscle. This is your body actually having an adverse reaction. It's reacting. Your immune system is reacting to your arm and it's causing the problem that is requiring surgery.

When you look at that now and think you have a doctor writing that this is caused by the vaccine and Moderna is still not doing anything about it. So even though they said in the release, whether or not it's caused by the vaccine, we'll take care of you. Now they know it is. And Moderna, do they ever call you and say, really sorry about this? We saw that your doctor is now connected to the vaccine. What can we do to help? No, Madurna never contacted me, not once. So then we get beyond the shoulder issue.

You get surgery for that. Tell me about the lymph node issue. How did you start having issues with lymph nodes and what was that about? What did that feel like? What did that feel like? were the symptoms? Well, when I finally got the MRI of my shoulder, they saw that the lip nodes were swollen. I hadn't realized it because, I mean, my, I was crooked like this. I was, yeah, I was stuck like this before I had my surgery. So I didn't realize the limp notes were swollen. And I didn't think too much of it at first because I thought maybe the limp nodes were swollen because of all the shoulder problems. But then I had other limp notes swell up around, I'm saying March 2021, I believe, on the right side. So then they needed to,

you know, find out what was happening. So they had to outrule breast cancer. That's the first thing they do if a woman has swollen limp notes. And then they decided that they needed to take one and find out what was going on. And they decided that the ones on my left side were the worst ones that needed to come out. So to be clear, all of this is happening starts really initially on the side you got the vaccine. You're trying to just live with it. Then it starts shifting the other side. That that obviously, and I'm imagining that the doctor. You said they're sort of discovering it as they're in surgery, your doctor's aware, look, you're having an immune reaction to the vaccine that's affecting your shoulder. So then when

they get to the lymph nose, they must think, well, this must be connected somehow. But were they thinking maybe that after surgery, the shoulder that maybe would relax your body and somehow processors, or was there an immediate decision that we need to get into the limp nose and see what's happening there? How long was that period, I guess, between the shoulder surgery, and the lymph node surgery? Well, when they first discovered that my lymph nodes were swollen under my Vax arm, they said, well, they're saying that that's a normal reaction, that a lot of people are getting swollen lymph nodes on their Vax arm,

and it'll go down in a few months at most. But it was when the other side swelled that it became a concern to the doctors. And I also did develop other symptoms. I developed night sweats at that time too. Really bad night sweats at the exact same time that the right lymph nodes swelled. So tell me the moment your doctor removes these lymph nodes and then says to you, I have only seen limp nose like this when it involved cancer. Right.

When you heard, I mean, obviously that's the word nobody wants to hear. what were your thoughts in that moment? Well, at first he told me that they were benign, but that they were odd, and he had to take three because they were stuck together. And he never seen lymph nodes like that and anyone that didn't have cancer. But at the same time, he was telling me that they tested benign,

so I was just relieved that they were benign. And obviously that's sort of you had those. removed that would have been the end of our story but then ultimately you start having these skin issues and all and through the investigation that which is just looks incredibly uncomfortable and difficult to deal with you get biopsies and then one of the three ends up you know discovering lymphoma and cancer now let me ask you this Were they connected?

Is the lymph node issue where your doctor is saying, I've never seen this where it's, you know, it's usually cancer when the lymph nodes are acting like this? Do you think those things are connected or are these two separate events? I think that they're definitely connected and that's where the lymphoma started was in those odd lip nodes that they removed under my back's arm.

I had to call that surgeon because that surgeon's with a different hospital system than the hospital. system that diagnosed me with lymphoma. So I called him and I said, hey, well, guess what? I ended up, it ended up being cancer after all. I have lymphoma because I think that's what they were looking for. Yeah, so they didn't find it at first.

What did he say then? Was he? He was like, well, the lab I sent it to said it was, it was, you know, it was negative. He was like, it was negative. That's what the lab said. That's what the lab reports came out to be. And I said, well, maybe it was just too early. Now, when they diagnosed this type of lymphoma, I found it interesting that they told you

really there's not a lot to worry about. This is a very slow moving cancer. It's not aggressive. They said that it would be, did you say, 20 years before you would really have serious complications from it? Right. When they first diagnosed me with lymphoma, they noticed I mean, they noted that I had the lymphoma rash pretty much covering most of my body. But with the blood work, it came out that I didn't have any in my blood.

So then they gave me this one subtype called quirky gliderma, which is a slow moving kind. And they said I wouldn't have any problems for like 20 years. But then I just got this lymphoma explosion all over. The medication wasn't working. And I feel worse, started feeling much worse. And they did another blood test. And this time, the T-cell lymphoma did show up in the blood, which is leukemia. So I'm just waiting on more blood work right now to see how it's progressing now.

So can I assume? You know, we're way past the arm situation. We have the lymph nodes at every one of these stages, are you updating the trial site and the doctors that were involved there? And is Moderna aware that you're having these progressing issues? Well, I finally got out of the trial last month. The director at Coastal Carolina Research Center said that she still wants me to report any new findings, but I don't know if she's going to report them to Moderna or not. But at this point, I'm finally out of the trial as of last month.

So what was the last report that you gave that Moderna would have received? Do they know, did you report this lymphoma? As lymphoma happened since you were past the term of the trial? Oh, no. I was diagnosed with lymphoma in April of 2022, so they have the lymphoma. You recently, we're going to go in for a final meeting, I guess, with the head of the trial that you were involved with, and you decided to bring an undercover camera and record that. And so for those of you watching right now, This is Olivia's last appointment as she tries to seek some answers. I want you to try and take a moment and put yourself in her shoes.

First of all, think about how scary it must be to be recording this and going in and trying to just take care of this technically. But then also remember all the physical issues she's dealing with. And I want you to ask yourself, is this good care? Is this how a doctor, how you'd expect to be being treated by the person that represents Moderna at this trial site? Here we go, undercover camera. Today I'm going to my last appointment for the Moderna trial COVID vaccine at Coastal Carolina

Research Center. So I'm going to walk into those doors 24 months later. Now having lymphoma, leukemia, shoulder damage, joint pain. It's not over for me. Nice to see you. Nice to see you too. All right. I just want to ask you, I mean, because this is like my last, my last visit and probably the last time you'll ever see me.

And, you know, I have questions. Okay. I have questions. Like, here it says, if you become sick or injured, appropriate medical treatment will be provided to you for your illness or energy. injury as a result of the study drug. What did Moderna say when you said to them she needs to get a MRI of her shoulder? So I think you have a fair shot. This is the original one, right? So I have to ask them if you want, you have insurance, right? I do. But I do. But I, I, I have to ask them if you want, you have insurance, right? I do. But I, I, I, I, I have. I walked around for three months like this in agony needing surgery. And you told me that you asked Moderna to provide that MRI for me, did you?

Hmm. I'm trying to think back. I'd have to look back at the sequence of things. Because they will cover something that we say we think is related. But they have to make that decision. So we'd have to submit things and say that you want. compensation. I'm not asking for compensation. I'm asking for confirmation because no medical care was provided for me. You guys just, everyone just left me on my own. Yeah, yeah, I know it was confusing

to me. I mean, because we couldn't do this, I mean, it wouldn't have been anything that we could have done here. Did you tell them about my adverse reactions? Yeah, sure, absolutely. Back in, you know, 2020. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. All that's reported. Because, I mean, here it says, also they would not have actually because it says if you have any you know any problems any illnesses you have to contact you yes and I told you but modern it never modern is never I mean what did the Derna say you what the Derna would expect is that you would get treated somehow I mean since I don't do that we would want you to see your own doctor get treated for it and then

modern a possibly would pay for it if they feel like it is related to their drug you can make the case that that they should pay for it, not you or your insurance. So there's nothing that Moderna wouldn't have treated your shoulder. You did the right thing. You went to your own doctor. My primary doctor ordered an MRI, but my insurance company wouldn't cover it. Yeah.

So I was just left hanging. And Madonna didn't. They did not follow through on this and that I know for sure. And I just want to know what they said to you. like no. They wouldn't, they wouldn't say, oh, it really would have been left to your own doctor to provide the care. Dr. DeMarco said he thought, you know, the shoulder surgeon, he said he thought it was like the actual substance itself, the way that it happened, not that the nurse jabbed me wrong. Right. Additionally, appropriate medical care for the treatment of the

neurosurgical care will be provided to you. So what Dern is seeing there is that, the that my job is to try to help you get the care that you needed back then. And I didn't get it. You didn't get it fast enough, maybe fast enough. So was that the only one who had like all these, like adverse reactions and stuff from? You were far the worst. I'm so sorry. The worst.

Yeah, but we had to, you know, over two years and some of the folks were older, yeah, we did have people who had various things that went to the hospital for this and that. but nothing like what you've gone through. I mean, I've been doing clinical trials for 20, almost 25 years. I've done studies on drugs that didn't make it because they had big issues. It's not a perfect process. Things go on the market that we sometimes find out later

when you give it to lots and lots of people that there's issues. So it's not perfect. You are the one out of the 300. That's not a big number. No. This study was like 20,000 people in this study. with data that they have.

This was never submitted to the FDA. My adverse reactions were never submitted to the FDA by Moderna. It wasn't in the report when they submitted for emergency use authorization. It wasn't there. I read it. The shoulder? Anything, any of my, the neurological, anything wasn't in there. Well, yeah, they don't always, I don't know how they write up their reports and stuff.

So you did report the adverse reaction in Moderna. Oh, yeah. But they don't always report them to the FDA's. What if you said they don't always do that? Well, I don't know how they summarize things. You know, like if they have 20,000 people and they have all these different things going on. Like the dizziness or the neurologic may have been grouped under neurologic and just not easy to spot, I guess is what I'm saying. It didn't say anything about CERVA, I mean, shoulder injuries like CERVA, living in there at all.

Hmm. Do you imagine, like, having that and just feeling that way? It's an unfortunate, crummy complication of several vaccines, not just the COVID vaccine. Do you think that what is wrong with me, all of these health problems, is the result of the vaccine or not? I think your shoulder. Okay, you don't think the cancer? I don't know. I'll be watching, I'm open, you know, there's data that will come out that will show that there's problems.

Just like with the Jansen vaccine. We did that study. And I was like, holy mackle, there's some real issues with that. And now we don't, we're not going to do that vaccine anymore. I don't know how that video affects you while you're watching it out there in the audience. But I will say this. I remember at times my life maybe buying a bum car from a used car agent and going back and saying, what do you know here?

And then just sort of getting the run around. We're watching someone get the run around on an injection of, of an experimental product that is spielunking into the immune system in ways we have never attempted to do it before and to be talking to not just some nurse or some side person, but literally the head of this site trial, the amount of information that she's at least trying to say she doesn't know,

whether she does or not, we don't know, but she's clearly playing what we would call playing stupid. And she's a doctor. She's the head of this entire investigation 300 people for Moderna, it's really hard for me to sit through how much she really doesn't know how this all works. And if that is the case, if she really doesn't know, then we are, then the bar on what's expected by doctors in the middle of one of the most important medical trials in the history

of mankind, one of the largest ever done faster and more rushed than has ever been done. And Tony Fauci saying we'd spare no expense. You have an expert expense on who you were hiring or what they were being taught to talk about or how to deal with it. Anyway, obviously, it's frustrating as a journalist for me to watch this because there are human lives at stake. But Olivia, you know, as you sat there and thank you for help, you know, it would just be hearsay, right? It would just be, well, that was your interpretation of what was being said there. you had been, you know, with this doctor multiple times. Is that sort of how it always went?

Was it always kind of like, you know, just diversion tactics? And I don't really know. And did you just really, that's not what I want to hear from my doctor. I want someone talking to me with a sense of knowledge. Was this? Right. No. No, none of the other studies went like that at all where she didn't know.

I mean, she even said in there that Moderna would, that I would get medical care somehow. I mean, somehow. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what's shocking. I mean, when we look at that statement that you signed off on, we will take care of whatever issues you have. And I wanted to bring that up. This idea, you know, just expressing my frustration of watching your story because, you know, there is an expectation of, of how someone should be treated that is putting their life.

And I said this from the very beginning here on the high wire, that there may be people that have opinions about this vaccine going in, but I said, I truly believe that the people that are involving themselves in trials are heroes. You are taking a great risk. And I said, I hope these people are being told what a risk this is, because we had investigated

the science behind this. We'd seen a history of real problems coronavirus vaccines in animal trials. Rushing into this vaccine trial seemed very dangerous to us, but I wanted to honor and I still honor the fact that people like yourself put yourself in harm's way, potentially, to try and establish safety to see if a product would work for all of us.

I would say this would be, and I said it on the show, this would be like you being one of the first astronauts to attempt to go to Mars and hope that somehow we could, you know, populate Mars and do all those things. We don't know where you're going. We don't know how it's going to go when you're going there, but you are jumping in to be one of the first to do this. But under those circumstances, with not only a trial going on, but our government funding billions and billions of dollars into these trials, handing it right to the drug companies, I think we all assume there are billions of dollars there for these people to get whatever MRIs,

to investigate anything that's going on. And most importantly, to not be left going to a doctor that has no idea what you've just injected in yourself. And this is the point. When she says to you, well, you know, you were supposed to go to your own doctor. Really? A doctor that has no understanding of an mRNA technology. This is hidden science that they don't even want to release it. Luckily, my nonprofit is to you.

And we're starting to see what they did and did not know about this. But you're being told to go to a doctor that has no idea what is happening inside of your body. No idea what this technology is doing and they're supposed to figure this out. I mean, I would expect that you would be immediately taken up by the greatest science institute we have, the National Institute of Health, that they would be bringing in Moderna professionals to say, what is happening with this patient? We need to get the bottom of it. Let us see, you know, what you saw in the animal? What do we know about what's going on inside of Vermont?

Nobody's doing that. Like, nobody is meeting with you with any authority or understanding of this technology. Is that correct? That is right. I mean, how could my primary care doctor possibly treat me when she has no idea what was in the shot or what's wrong with me? So how could anyone treat me? How could I just somehow get care when it was in the contract that they were supposed to provide medical care if I was injured with your product? Absolutely right.

My other issue in this video is that when you bring up all of the issues you've had, And you're asking, going back to the arm issue, why did I have to wait months, you know, to get help here? I'm getting a run around and getting an MRI. And you said, what did Moderna tell you? And she reacts as though, I got to really search my mind and memory of this. And here's where, as a journalist, this is where red flags go off for me. On the one hand, she's telling you that you're the only one out of 300 people that really, that she only has 300 in her part of the study. This is one of the arms of the study.

She has 300 people. She's telling you, you're the only one that had issues like this. So it's not locked in your memory. The only person I really had to do this for, I can't remember what it is exactly I did. That just doesn't, that defies reason. Now, if there was many different people that had injuries and she was trying to track, all the injuries, that to me would look like, let me try to remember your exact case

because I was dealing with so many that were having issues. So somewhere in here, there is either an incredible disconnect or I think what's happening is she's trying to cover for her bosses, which is really Moderna. What is your sense because you were sitting in the room? What is happening?

She doesn't seem like a mean person. I want to put this out there. She doesn't seem like a mean person. She doesn't necessarily seem like a bad person. but she is not dealing with you in a natural way. What do you think is happening there as someone that was sitting in the room? Well, I think that possibly she was trying to cover up that she didn't. At first I thought, I had always believed that she had asked them like she said she did.

But then somewhere else in that recording, she had said that she didn't turn in my reaction. to Moderna until January. And it's like, and that's January 2021. You know, what about everything that happened in 2020 when I first got it? So I think that I called her in a lie. So I don't know if she's protecting Madonna or if she's protecting herself because she didn't ask them to help me like she really said. It's one or the other, but I'm not sure which one.

I want to be clear I'm not either. I give people the benefit of the doubt. But one thing, you know, is clear that the care that any human on this planet would expect that you would get as a part of this trial, clearly you did not get this. This is why we have this series we're doing called rigged, because ultimately there is a similarity amongst the stories of those that are injured in the trials. Now I want to ask you something specifically because you referenced to her, you said when I looked at the trial information for Moderna, they didn't list my sequela, my injury, in those that were injured. So what did they list? And how did you, you know, what document are you talking about?

The application for emergency use authorization that Moderna presented to the FDA when applying for emergency use, I read those documents, and they only had four adverse, four subjects that had adverse reactions listed, and I wasn't one of those. I remember specifically it was a man that came down with RA that was in there, and I didn't understand what the other three were. Okay. So rheumato arthritis. I didn't understand what the other three were. Okay. And but you did not. And you didn't see the reference to any issue with your arm. Would that, that EUA would have happened, would that EUA happen before you were having the issues with your lymph nodes? I believe so because I, yeah. Okay. So, but these issues should have been listed. They weren't listed at all. Honestly, millions, hundreds of millions of innocent people have now received this vaccine because the FDA has had it safe.

You have inside information that the company that made the vaccine you were given is at least lying about one of you, which is you, and we have to assume more. What is the thought that went through your mind when you said, oh, my God, they're not even listing my injury in here? I wasn't surprised at that point because the way that they didn't help me with all the medical problems that I had from their product, I kind of wasn't surprised that they were covering it up. I was about 50-50 thinking that maybe it would be in there and maybe it wasn't. I mean, and I tried my best to tell everyone, everyone that I met or even talked to, even if like I called cover. customer service because I didn't get my shipment. I told everyone that the

Moderna vaccine was bad. I want to just commend you on you know even in the middle of your own issues going out and trying to warn people and protect people is truly an amazing instinct and and the fact that you've reached out and that you worked with us all of this is is very commendable. I want to point to something though that's happened because we, you know, I don't know how to pass judgment on the undercover footage of the docker involved. And I want to say that to her credit, it appears that she has not just let this, you know, case be buried in the sand or stick her head in the sand, at least at the moment because after we had the opportunity to receive that

video, Olivia just received an email talking about bears from this doctor, and I want to read this very quickly so you understand what she ends up saying. She says, I did get the confirmation number from bears, meaning she had submitted to VERS, but when I use that number, this is the doctor speaking, to look up the report, it said there is no report for that number. So I've asked them, what is it going on, but haven't heard back from them yet. We have proved that that We have the actual VAERS report. This is that VAERS report. So it was submitted.

And so this is very, very concerning. Because Olivia, one of the questions that we're having is where does the pharmaceutical cover-up and our government regulatory agency cover-up begin? Because that's a lot of the issues that we're now seeing, the Peter Marks, that is supposed to be looking at these things for the... FDA, this idea that VAERS, which is our government system, we have a doctor that has filled out this VAERS report, submitted it, had a VAERS number, and is now telling you your case not only doesn't appear from Moderna in asking the FDA for an emergency use authorization,

literally the government website that captures this information has now erased your file, or at least it's not there at the moment. What were your thoughts when you received this email? Well, I was shocked on that one because that's from the trial doctor actually filing the VERS report. So I was shocked that they deleted hers. Right. This isn't just somebody that doesn't have any idea. We hear sometimes VERS is all.

It's submitted by regular people that don't really know what to talk about. In this case, it's not only a doctor is the lead authority of. the trial group being run there and they don't even take her seriously that bears has been taken down one of the things that is is so great about you telling your story is the people that are out there trying to make a difference with these stories and there is no greater champion out there for the people at least when we talk about the politics around this than Senator Ron Johnson we're ecstatic that he has been reelected because he promised me he is going to bring investigations on this

and he recently reached out to you and has promised to bring your story as one of the stories that he is going to ask questions about with Moderna. So even though the EUA you may not have been listed and maybe whether or not the doctor you're talking to drop the ball, you know of a senator that is not going to let this ball be dropped is going to take this question for you. I just want to read this document. This is Senator Ron Johnson. Senator Ron Johnson asked Moderna and Pfizer what steps they've taken to assist individuals who have experienced adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination. In it, one of the trial participants received MRNA 1273 Moderna Inc. vaccinations on August 26th on September 28th, 2020 at the Coastal Carolina Research Center.

The vaccines were from lots. He has the lot numbers there, respectively. She was told to report any adverse events to Coastal Carolina Research Center or Advera Independent Review Board. You did both. In my discussions with her, it appears that neither organization Turk her report seriously or provided any medical help or assistance. It appears that she was ignored and forgotten. She has searched modernist emergency use authorization submission and does not believe her adverse event was included.

You are now a part of an investigation being done by at least one member of the government, the United States American Senator Ron Johnson. How does that feel? Well, thank God for Ron Johnson. I mean, it restores my faith in politicians. You know how a lot of people are saying that the pandemic brought out the best and the worst of some people. And it's good to see that there are some politicians.

politicians that actually care about people and who are trying to protect us. I totally agree. And I know Senator Johnson is not playing around. He really only ran again, he said, to deal with this issue, which, you know, I said to him when he won re-election, that you now are the first politician that has ever fully stood as a representative to those injured by vaccines. And so you have a champion. We're going to continue to, you know, give him. all the information that we're finding through our research around the world with our investigation team. I hope that Senator Ron Johnson also tries to save the children from all the vaccines,

not just the COVID vaccine, but looks at all the vaccines and gets a real investigation going on what type of harm that they're causing our children. I agree with you and I think that that is some the conversations that we're going to be having as we move into a deeper investigation on this. COVID has really outed the problem the Tory agencies and so that's part of the work that we're going to continue to do here. What is going on in your mind now as you look into your future? You have a beautiful son that you mentioned that you want to be able to take care of and as you're waiting for blood work and things, what is on your mind now?

I just want to just give it all to God. I can't deal with it. There's nothing that I can do about it. I just want to try to live with the quality of life and just rely on God to get me through. One thing I want to change though when I said that I regret getting the vexed. I've had different thoughts about that. Even though that I've been hurt so bad, if I hadn't, if I hadn't have had all these adverse reactions, I probably would have had my son vaccinated with Pfizer. So, I mean, I would whether it be me than him and I feel like God has placed me here for a purpose because he knows I'm not going to be quiet.

I'm not just going to go bury myself like in the sand like you said. I'm going to tell the truth. Well, we are sure thankful that you were here to tell the truth. We're thankful to have a platform in which, you know, millions of people will be able to hear your story. How much of the future do you think about with your son? Your son has some of his own complicated issues, is my understanding. So who takes care of that?

if you're busy, you know, dealing with medical issues. It's just me. It's just me and him. He's high functioning. But he was actually injured by the MMR instantly. You know, he met all his milestones before. He had a lot of language. He said mama at four months.

He would say mama, baby, bye-bye, and just lots of babble. You know how babies just babble all the time. and he had the MMR at only 13 months old. And just a look on his face when I took him home from the doctor, kind of took my breath away, like, because he looked at me and he was so angry. And he never looked like that. He never had that kind of look in his eyes. And then he didn't have any language for like two years.

And he was diagnosed as being autistic, but they also told me he had something called neurofibromatosis type 1, which ended up not being true, which was just a clinical diagnosis at the time, but they have genetic testing now. And he has nothing wrong with his genes. His genes are absolutely perfect. He has no markers of unspecised significance or anything. And so it was always my thought that, okay, he's got neurofibiotosis. And the MMR, you know, just kind of kick that in and that's what's wrong with them.

It was like the two. But no, it was just the MMR that has made him autistic. But he is high functioning. So I'm thankful for that. Can I ask you, there are a lot of people that watch this show that have been involved with injuries to their children. And I would imagine they would be surprised that you decided to get into a vaccine trial after you thought there was a potential vaccine injuries. So how is it, how is it you, you know, we're thinking about it. Was this just different or were you so into protecting others around you? Like, how did you come

to the decision? Well, um, first of all, I was very ignorant to think that only the MMR vaccine is bad. But I had enough sense in my head not to get him, not to get the guard still. I had just heard somewhere that, you know, something was wrong with it. So he didn't get guard us. So thank God. But I was just ignorant in thinking that only the MMR was, was really bad. And then I also had some sort of hope that, well, maybe this new technology is going to be healthier for children since it doesn't have preservatives. So I was really wrong about that one. So you're thinking and that makes sense that, you know, we don't have the same adjuvants involved. We don't have mercury and aluminum and things that your average person might be thinking is an issue.

This technology could be cleaner, so you were hopeful that it would be different. Yes, and I couldn't have been more wrong. You know, you said you're talking to people and we have millions of people watching right now and many are, what I think is concerning about your story, to be really honest is most of the injuries we've discussed so far on our show and the stories in Rigg that we've followed show an immediate reaction. Maddie deGerry has a fairly immediate reaction. She ultimately has been left in a wheelchair trying to struggle with the issues that she's having in her life. issues, you are representing a huge concern that we have had on the high wire, which was the long-term effects. You had both short-term effects, but even after, and now, when we imagine this trial ended at two years, my concern is how many people could potentially start developing cancers in things, which seems

to be, you know, down the road from this, you're the doctor. that at the clinic said, I'm not sure, I definitely think the arm was caused by the vaccine, but I'm not sure about this cancer. We've done a lot of research. There is real concern that there's gonna be a big shift in risk to cancer because of this vaccine and the mechanisms in it.

You may be the first canary in this coal mine. And so that is what makes your story unique. Were these trials long enough, you know, given what you're looking at right at the moment where now they will say, we never saw it in the trials, we didn't see lymphoma in our trials, but things like lymphoma take longer than two years many times to develop. What do you think about that as the trial? Should these trials have been longer? Yes, the trial wasn't nowhere near as long as the last trial I was

in just for a headache drug. That was a three-year trial. I had just gotten out of that trial before I entered into the Moderna trial. Wow. So a headache trial goes three years a potentially DNA altering product that has never been injecting to humans before

only two years. Not only that when I was in the headache trial whenever I would go in for a visit they would actually check you to see if you're okay whenever you would do follow-up visits like they would do

So EKGs and blood pressure and stuff like that. And the Moderna trial, they didn't really check anything. All they did was take your blood, like eight vials. And I have no idea what they were doing with all that blood. Wow. But they never did. They never checked your heart, you know, or anything like that. Like they normally do in trials.

Which is shocking in itself because from the beginning, one of the biggest concerns and biggest reported issues was myocarditis, an issue with the heart, raised troponin levels. We've just, you know, spoke with Dr. Peter McCullough on all these issues. It was one of the things that absolutely should have been in these trials of all the things. That was something that we knew had potential, as Peters pointed out. COVID itself, coronavirus has some issues with causing heart issues in animals. So if you have a vaccine that is creating antibodies to all. these things you would have to think that this was something you should have been worried about.

You know, these stories are shocking. Yours is incredible how much you have been through. What is your inspiration? What motivates you to get up and continue to spread your word? Well, what motivates me to get up is that I love my son and I want to to raise him to be a godly man. And I still have hope that maybe I'm gonna feel better, that I'll still have some type of life that I can enjoy. And I'm just, I'm just driven to tell people what happened. I'm just driven to try to help, you know, save people from the same thing that happened to me or whatever else, you know,

they're cooking up or planning for us. And another thing that inspires me is you. You're like the coach. It's like I, you just like you help people be braver than they were. So. Well, you are more brave than I could dream to be. It is incredible that you have shared your story. The way you have marched forward and you are, you are,

You are going to save millions of people by telling your story. It is truly an honor to get to spend this time with you. Our prayers are with you. I, too, will be holding in my mind that you have, you know, relief from these issues, that we see them cured and that you move on. And we will do everything we can to make sure that you have the best and brightest addressing you so many times when we have these stories, doctors, and people reach out to us.

We'll filter some of that and forward the conversations that are happening. But I want to just thank you for your time. I want to thank your family and for allowing you to be a part of this experience and just know that we are praying for you. Thank you. Take care.