The Highwire with Del Bigtree - SEAN STONE’S BEST KEPT SECRET

Episode Date: April 5, 2023

Del sits down with filmmaker Sean Stone, son of filmmaker Oliver Stone, to discuss his new, six-part documentary series, Best Kept Secret. The series explores some of the darkest sides of humanity, from the child sex trade, satanism, and cults. WARNING: this segment may not be for all ages.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

This is not for the faint of heart and it's definitely not for all children. So please, if you're homeschooling right now, this would be about the point where maybe you turn it off and watch it yourself as an adult. If you think that's, and then decide whether or not you think it's fit for who you want to share it with. But these are important conversations and I find it very important that good documentarians be represented and that when they go out and do good research and good work despite what the topic is, is, I want to celebrate that. Now, there's a lot of people that have ventured into these conversations of human trafficking all the way into satanic rituals and beyond. There is a great documentary series by the filmmaker Sean Stone, of course, the son, the brilliant filmmaker Oliver Stone, the apple does not fall far from the tree, and that has proved out in this

great series called Best Kept Secret. You have all the mind of the world you need. They have all the power you need. What's the point? What's the end goal? I said the end goal is the control of the world. These people out here who believe in this worldwide Satan's conspiracy, okay? Be fools and priests.

I spit upon your fire. I became a part in the government scheme. His ultimate goal was mind control. and to create the purple spy. All you're talking about them, the racing people's memories. The parents believe the boy is a lie and has been kidnapped. Just six years old when she died.

Everybody's people calling them all over the country, tell me about this ceremony. So it all of a sudden becomes a satanic panic. Breaking news, governments are corrupt. They lie to their people, steal from their people, and occasionally kill them. A new world order for ourselves and for future generation. The Oliver Stone, George Bush connection, Oliver Stone.

Oh, yeah, yeah. He's their spokesman. While I doubt my father worked for the CIA, as a Vietnam veteran, my father saw a deeper state behind the scenes. And that's where I want to go. A politician has to be very concerned with where their donations are coming from. Spreads out like a spider webbed in Washington, D.C. involves a most respected and powerful and richest businessman in this United States of America. It was unbelievable what we had.

Everything. What we had was unreal. procuring young girls for sex trafficking. There was no indication to me. It's over a $34 billion industry worldwide. I was sold into a murderous pedophile network right around my sixth birthday. There were a number of aristocrats that were part of this club. there are 200,000 children that end up in the sex trade every year. So it's the fastest growing criminal industry in the world.

Kind of. A lot of things that I witnessed, secrets say, you wish you didn't have to hold on to. Hail Satan. If you don't get this right now, I swear to listen to her. And this can't speak with forked tongue. And you can see the lie written all over it. And this is extremely dangerous to our democracy.

It is not crazy to assess news events to see if they're real or not real. And in fact, it's kind of crazy not to. So what we see around us is actually an illusion. We're only looking at the tiniest sliver of what actually exists. We've been hoodwink. The greatest forms of human control is the suppression of the sense of the possibility. As Americans, we tend to believe this about other governments. but rarely, if ever, our own.

But you were staying at the house of a convicted sex offender? It was a convenient place to stay. Because we didn't know that there was another reality we could experience. The series is called Best Kept Secret and it's my honor and pleasure to be joined right now by the filmmaker, the visionary, Sean Stone.

Thanks for joining me today. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. I'm going to start. I've probably put out a warning on this conversation today and this show more than I have on almost anything else I've covered. And I'm going to be honest with you, the topics that you cover and some, you know, in this series are ones that I say that I avoid them, I think, to sort of protect my own consciousness in a way. You know, we met for dinner to talk about doing this and I said to you, you know,

I don't like to get into topics that I feel like I don't have the time to do something about. out, right? But before we even start, you know, for my audience, and I'm warning my audience right now, once again, this conversation, I do not believe is one that your children should be involved. And I know so many of you use the high wire to be, you know, class time, which I love that for your homeschooling. I think this one you should watch first and decide whether or not this is a conversation you want to be having other kids. But how do we, before we even get into the topics, how do you prepare yourself to get into a topic that, um, you know, um, you know, has dark thoughts and energy around it that, you know, do you feel like you have to protect yourself?

You know, I've loved horror since I was in the womb. I think my mother was reading Stephen King when I was in the womb, and it sent energetically, you know, fear and that adrenaline into me. And I've loved horror since I was three, four years old. It was like, I begged her to take me to see Pet Cemetery, and even though it terrified me. And even though these movies scared me as a kid, Nightmare and Elm Street, I loved, Candyman. It's like there was a fascination with how dark are things really. I've always wanted to know that.

I've always, in a sense, wanted to put myself energetically in that place of, okay, if we can just reveal the horror, then we can get past it. It's the fear in between. That's the problem, right? We all know when you're sitting there and you don't know what's in the darkness, you're more scared. You're more in a fight or flight state, but you're not actually able to. to activate it until you face it. And then you find out what you're made of. Am I going to fight this thing?

Am I going to light up and reveal it? Am I going to run? You have to actually get to that moment of seeing what you're afraid of. And too often we just, we live in states of perpetual fear in America, especially, I think. In many other countries, I've traveled the world with my father.

I've been to places that are war zones or just after the war, and you get a realization of the existential crises that are faced all over the world on a daily basis. And yes, it happens here too. Obviously, we do have starvation. We do have horrible things here. But essentially as a country, we've become a culture of, as we know, consumerism, consuming the television, the media. And they want us in a constant state of when I was four years old.

Saddam Hussein is going to destroy America. He's going to, you know, he's going to attack us with his rockets, right? He's going to launch rockets and they could hurt us. or then it became, you name it. It was 9-11 was a big one. This was terrorism. Anywhere in the 2010s, it was like anywhere you go, there could be a terrorist.

You have to go through the airport with your hands up like a victim and constant states of fear that they are pushing. We saw it very clearly in 2020, right? But we've all seen this consistently, the pandemics, whether it was the bird flu or the swine flu or the HIV or you name it, the measles, everything. They want us in fear. And it's like, that's just not the way I am.

I'm just someone that's like, okay, if I'm afraid of something, let's address it. Let's look at it. Let's find out what it is so that we can be real. And then there's no more fear on the other side once you've faced it, once you've addressed it. When you were putting together this series was there, because you cover a lot of, you know, obviously we're, you've covered a lot of ground, right? It's not all just, you know, you have human trafficking issues. You have, you know, even some of this sacrifice issue. But you get into banking.

You get into political controls. international, you know, W-E-F stuff. So, so what was there a parameter to which, because you weave it, I have to say, you weave it together beautifully so that it all seems to hold together. How do you go about approaching a project like this? It was a theme that I wanted to convey, and it was interesting timing synchronistically.

I was tuning into this right at the beginning of the pandemic in March of 2020. They were locking people down. It was like, okay, nothing's going to happen for a minute, right? We're not going to go make movies. Maybe it's time for a documentary. And I was starting to think on my career in doing Buzzsaw, which was a pretty successful show on YouTube. He had a lot of great interviews, great conversations. It got taken to Gaia for a few years.

And I thought, well, I've got all those Buzzsaw interviews, which were really cool. And we covered a whole gamut of topics. But what's the theme? The theme was to me making people understand, or not making them, helping them to understand, that there is a multidimensional experience of enslavement that is taking place in human consciousness. We are basically debt slaves. We are, some people are physically enslaved. We are mentally enslaved.

We are perhaps energetically enslaved. How do we get through that? By recognizing the controllers, by recognizing those beings, some are some, some, Some are people and I believe some are beings, energetic entities, whatever you want to describe them as, that are essentially controlling the nature of our reality and within this matrix, right? Yeah. And our potential experience of it. So if we're going to actually experience a more vibrant, a more richer, a more exciting, like, you know, hopefully vibrant and holistic reality on the other side of it, we've got to recognize what's holding us back.

Yeah. So to me, it's like it organically came from that theme. going through these interviews that I've done with these people over the years, whether it was Professor Griff from Public Enemy or David Ike or the new interviews with Kathy O'Brien and others. I mean, there's so many in this film that you'll see pulled together. It was like it was just creating an overall tapestry of the control apparatus. Yeah.

Right? So that we can ultimately, in the other side of it, say, I am a more, and you say, I am becoming sovereign over my mind, my body, my spirit. where before I was being led by this cult. Because as you're describing, what is it? It's ultimately it's a cult. And whether they're all in cahoots or not, it's like there's a fundamental psychology of a cult, whether it's the Catholic Church or the Muslim Brotherhood

or the CDC or the government, you know, or the government, you know, the president, all these cults of power. We have to go worship. We have to go salute. We have to go give our energy to. We have to go bow down to. As opposed to saying, no, the only power really is in the creator itself.

and your relationship to that, to your creator, right? That gives you spirit that brings you here to this moment by the grace of something much greater than any scientist can explain to you. Yeah. Or any doctor can explain to you. So why should they be in the way of you and your relationship to your creator? I agree. That's one of the sort of messages I've really been, as I've been speaking out more.

I mean, obviously all through the pandemic before that, this vaccine space that I'm in, but I've really been focusing lately on how did they get away with this? How many of us? I mean, I know we like to say, oh, they're evil or the evil being done to us. But I've been pointing out if you didn't have the conversation with your brother, your sister, your mom, your dad, somebody at the dinner table that you probably should have had, warning them what you knew about this vaccine, you know, because you didn't want to ruffle anyone's feathers.

You didn't want to, you know, just, you know, make anyone have a bad day. In the end, it's that, it's that slippery slope of, number one, sort of, you know, compromising what you believe in. But also we're stuffing, we're enslaving ourselves, right? That our need to be accepted in a conversation is an enslavement. It's keeping me from being who I am. And ultimately, I think it's a good point. I say, you're walking dead.

If you are walking down the road, if you are in conversations where you're not able to actually stay and be who you are, then you're not really alive anymore. You are, you know, we talk about like zombies, the zombie apocalypse. That's the zombie apocalypse. It's a bunch of people walking around that don't have a voice. But what we find, and I think a lot of us have experienced this, what we find is that our freedom threatens others. Yeah.

Because when you're, you know, as you know, people's belief systems are the prism. They live within that, or prism actually, too, is their perception, right? It's like, that's their reality. And it's oftentimes a prison for them. Yeah. So when they're mentally in a prison state and they see you walking around living the life that you want to live, speaking the truth that you want to speak. They hate you for it.

They are offended by it. So it's very difficult, I find, to oftentimes speak these truths to people who are not ready to receive it. It almost goes back to Christ saying, giving jewels to swine. It's not to say, like, I hate to be offensive, but when people are not in the state to actually receive it as a human, I can't have a conversation with you. I always say this. I'm not going to debate someone who's not open-minded. It all I want to know is this person actually curious and open. And if you're actually curious, then we can have a conversation because I'm ready to learn things and you're ready to learn things and we can learn from each other.

But if you're shut down, if you think you know, there's nothing I'm going to say that's going to crack you. The only thing I can maybe do is we can find common ground in certain things and maybe then you know you start to relax and then you know you have to have your own experience. This is what I've experienced in the last 20 years of doing conspiracy work is like people, everyone has their moment of revelation where they're they go, the hospital killed my mother, or you name it, or the vaccine harmed my child. It's like, I'm sorry, but that's what it took. It didn't take my words or your words or anyone else who's been out there talking about it. It didn't take their words.

It took your direct experience. And so we can't force people to be free. We can embody it. So speaking of, I mean, when we talk about slavery, we're all enslaved, but really, you know, you talk about physical slavery, the amount of, enslavement happening all over the world. This is a clip from from your series. Take a look at this. Our mission is to educate the public in this country and abroad that this is happening. It's happening everywhere. That there are over 27 million children, women and children and men

that are in slavery today. But within the United States, there are 200,000 children that end up in the sex trade every year. So it's a fast, growing criminal industry in the world. But it's organized crime. And that's the scary part, because organized crime does work with government. There's a lot of money in this. It's over a $34 billion industry worldwide.

And that number is actually low. If you ask the Department of Justice, they would ask, tell you it's $84 billion. If you add in pornography and everything that children are taken and used for. So it's a business. To get it into drug trafficking, you need cash. Get into child trafficking, you only need a child.

I mean, this is an issue that, you know, we know is happening. Here in Texas, it's such a major deal. We've got a border where a lot of this thing is moving back and forth. And yet, when you talked about, like, the government uses all these things to make us afraid. Like, all these things to put fear upon us. here's something that's really happening and we almost get no coverage on it whatsoever why why do you think that is it's interesting i mean i was actually just on a a flight and they and they have the NFL now you know doing awareness around the human trafficking they have like Aaron rogers and some

others giving little talks about it just saying hey this is going on there is trafficking there has been an increased awareness like that's that's that's the positive right as far as when i was first learning about these things in like the early 2000s, I would say, I was becoming aware of this because I was looking at the Franklin scandal, which was in Nebraska. I'm not sure if you've heard of it, but it's a very famous case involving trafficking and rape of children and allegedly murder. But it was connected to the Franklin Credit Union, which collapsed. And in that process, these things were exposed. But it was immediately silenced, the guy that was, overseeing the investigation, his plane crashed with all, you know, with all his documentation.

Right. And then it was, his case was picked up by this guy, John DeCamp, who was pretty close with William Colby, the former CIA director. And the CIA director was like, listen, be careful. Like, this is the, this is a level when you get into children, right? This is a level that, as you know, just destroys people. I mean, Epstein is dead as a result of this, right? You, You cannot expose the relationships because it's so heinous as far as the public consciousness, right? So if it's simply unnamed, you know, those drug lords or whatever, it's like if it's unnamed and distant, but the more it starts to become focused as far as politicians, potentially celebrities, right, anyone of renown that's involved in this, they would be such, they understand that there is an impulse within, especially the American people, globally, any society that's human is going to have a response to this. Now, it's true, there are some societies where the trafficking is done by families. You know, if you look at where a lot of this originates, it's parents selling their own children into these things, right, for money, because they're in debt slavery, you know, and so they're in such horrible situations that they basically say, listen, buy my daughter for however much, or buy my son for a hundred. Yeah. But in a America, you know, and the West in particular, but especially America. Like if you, you know, when people realize this is going on, we've seen it.

I mean, how much of the conspiracy culture has shifted just in the last three years. Yeah, huge. By people waking up to these things. So there has been a growing awareness. I think that what they try to do with it is, as I say with the NFL, you know, having spokespeople out there, you know, in a way they're like, go to this hotline. Now what you find and like I've done. another interview with a CPS, someone who exposes the CPS, she's talking about how the CPS is oftentimes in bed.

Child Protective Services. Child Protective Services is very much in bed with some of these traffickers. And many of the kids that come out of foster homes end up disappearing. Just completely vanishing, probably being picked up or trafficked or who knows, end up homeless. But the point is that there is oftentimes a monetary gain for people, for the CPS to grab the kids, right, take them, or protect the people. that are foster parents who are getting money from this getting checks from the state no matter how horrible i was wonder i mean i know i know we immediately in sort of this conspiracy space

and i fight it right i fight going there as much as i can i always have to prove myself my way in but is it systemic is that what cps is doing or are people that are into this space drawn to this is a perfect place if i can get in there and work there i can start using um this environment to come in contact with vulnerable children. I mean, it's not that, I'm not saying that CPS people are pedophiles. What I'm suggesting is that the apparatus of CPS is being used the same way that other government agencies are being used for corrupt purposes. Yeah. Right, which is to say, it's money, right? If like, if you're getting money basically, every time you're grabbing kids and putting them into foster homes, right, it's the same, like, why is it that people, you know, people go, well, how can

these doctors be killing patients, COVID patients. Right. It's like, how can they be doing it? You can't fathom that doctors are literally killing patients with the protocols that they're giving them, right? Or in some cases, the intentional negligence, but then you start realizing how much money is involved in organ donor, like that whole organ donor industry.

Yeah. How much money is involved with that. And so, you know, then you get this, it's just like you start to put these things together from a money's perspective. Yeah. And it's huge, the amount of money. I also think the indoctrination, though, too. I mean, even Child Protective Service,

And I, when I was working on the Doctor's Television show, there was like medical kidnapping stories and things that I would, you know, want to get into. And it's the hardest thing to talk your producers into doing, right? Number one, because you can't really fully prove that the parents were great parents for why this is happening. But I did get stories where it was systemic, like where you would see a systemic issue coming through a certain department. And I always think about, you know, you talk about doctors. It's true. I think they go into these jobs for good reasons. but I've always wanted to make a documentary about child protective services.

It is so vile and so evil what happens to so many families. Not all of them. It's not all bad, but what I always think is it's like, you know, I imagine you start working for child protective services. You get your first child that's being tortured or burned or chained to a bed or something like that. It must so mess up your mind where in that state you're fighting and try and get the course to understand that this family.

And I think these people develop like a hatred of family and parents and start seeing that everything is that case over and over again in their minds. They lose perspective. I'll push back on this sense. Yeah. I haven't studied enough in this. Again, I've done interviews on it and I've watched recently these little ones. It's very interesting. What you end up with is protocols.

So he focused on one case where basically parents called about their kid having, it was like a six-month-old, having some kind of symptoms, right, calling the doctor. immediately protocols are put into place that say, well, this could indicate a child abuse situation. And as a result, because of the nature of where we are with this state that's so invasive into our lives, right? You end up with the system of protocols whereby assumptions are made based on the protocols, just the same way with COVID. Well, you're in a situation that throws the American system out of whack, which is you're now guilty until proven innocence. Right. And that really is a difficult position to be. because when you're guilty to prove an innocent, what you always do is defend yourself.

Exactly. And that becomes proof that you've done this thing. And I have covered these stories. The parents are like, how do I get out of this? Yes. And so exactly what you end up with is an escalation essentially where the state is, as these little ones is a great documentary, people should watch it, that gets into why the state is essentially doing this to take, basically enabling the seizure of children from their parents.

And what happens when I say the CPS people are not asleep protecting because I've heard too many stories of foster parents who are literally have eight kids sleeping in the backyard and being abused. Yeah. But no one bothers them. Yeah. Because, again, they're, you know, maybe there's a kickback situation with the CPS agent. I don't know. I'm not going to speculate, but I just know that these things are happening. So we have a corrupt system.

And as you know, when you have a corrupt system that is basically is enabling trafficking, because for the purposes of money making, again, at the highest, levels when you have people protecting the Epstein's of the world or in bed with literally embed with the Epstein's of the world. Who do you trust? You can only go to yourself and this is where we have this going back to my, you know, always my theme is like coming back to yourself, your own intuition, right? And getting away from this whole legal entanglement that we are all within, right? We are all we don't know our the codes, all the UCC codes that they that they operate under the IRS codes and all these things. It's like it's a crazy web of power that has been created. of that web of powers. Next clip is really getting into the, you know, you'd have to be under

a rock to not be watching this Epstein story and how it's all played out. But take a look at this. The Jeffrey Epstein case, of course, takes me into a whole different direction, because not only are we now talking about a man who is a very wealthy American man. He is a hedge fund manager. He at the time was a well-known Wall Street financier worth allegedly $2 billion. And his case, when I start to investigate, had over two dozen kids that had reported to the police sexual abuse by him and by a number of procurers. One of the alleged procurers, her name is Gillen Maxwell, she procured underage girls for Epstein. And she is friendly. friendly, friendly enough where she was invited to Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

Another enormous red flag was raised by the number of politicians that Epstein donated. Epstein is a very generous donor. He's a very generous donor to the Democratic Party, that he donated over $3.5 million to the Clintons. And according to one report, he donated $50,000 to Hillary Clinton in 2006. This was after his indictment. Really? Yes.

Why did she not return it? Hillary, I have to ask you a question that has been plaguing me for a while. How did you kill Jeffrey Epstein? It's really not very funny. And look, to get in this conversation, I'm apolitical at this point. I voted for Bill Clinton. I voted for Barack Obama. I am now politically marooned, so I feel like I am safe to step in here and say, I do

I didn't realize until watching this series, actually. I knew a lot about the Epstein story. I didn't know Jisleine Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. And I find it so incredibly shocking, beating a media person. I worked at CBS. How is that not anybody's news story? That now, you know, a convicted child trafficker who, you know, is known to have worked out deals with the most powerful people in the world.

This child trafficker has been arrested, is in prison, and was at our presidential family's wedding, and no one asks any questions about that? That's not news. That's not a headline anywhere. Well, Veritas, Project Veritas did a good exposure of Amy Robach, right, behind the scenes, and she's talking about having this whole story on just exposing Epstein as relationships to the Clintons. And they killed it, right?

They killed the story. I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts. We would not put it on the air. First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who that is. This is a stupid story. Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew

and threatened us a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to interview Kate and Will. That also quashed the story. It was unbelievable what we had. Clinton, we have everything. And this is why my show Buzzsaw was called Buzzsaw. People always ask me, like, how can the media be so controlled? Yeah.

And I go, well, first of all, it's not every journalist, but think about the editor class. Think about who ultimately decides when a story will run. Yeah. Look at Gary Webb. I mean, it's like he was able to get out a lot, but then they, Mercury, even then, they pulled back, they were scared, right? Right. Especially when the other, the Times and the LA Times and the New York Times, the Post came after him.

right even his own editors pulled back yeah but any good journalist will i think will tell you they've run into the buzzsaw of this story we can't touch it because of political ties because of financial ties you know the corporate own ownership of media and the old you know again like these people all go to the same clubs they're all part of the same groups you know if you think about the cfr or even like you know just more private things you know there's whether it's the aspen club or you know any you know There's so many different groups that get together, they gather in a sense, right? And if you want to stay part of that country club, you know, essentially, you know, you don't go outing someone else's. Well, I mean, it's very simply put, you, you, I mean, I'm working in, you know, in television, you do know there's topics that are sort of third rails.

And you are rising because you know how to tow that corporation's line. And it's like any business, right? you always make our cars look good no matter what's going on. You always are really good at selling this show or what's going on. So you do get it. There's a lot of silencing.

But I keep saying, honestly, one of the things, when there's stories, we were just having a discussion in our team recently about a story that doesn't seem like it should be out there or wasn't.

And I was like, well, look, I always say there's Dell Big Trees, you know, and Sean Stone's working at every news agency in the world. You know, we're all, we're out there. It's not,

not everyone's evil wanting to cover it up. And there's moments where you see opportunities where I can add, my executives are unaware of what this story actually is. I'm going to ask the appropriate questions, put it out. I'll probably get a slap on the wrist, right? I'd be like, oh, oh, I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to, you know, ask the most obvious question there. And they're like, well, it was a good question, but you should know. And if it's in these really strange spaces where media seems to be in controlled where maybe super high up, they know why we're avoiding this story, but the rest don't. you have to, you know, you get away with it.

Like, I don't really, okay, Dell, just don't do it again and you move on. Well, it wasn't it the, was it CBS or one of those news networks that basically censored their reporter after the Paul Pelosi story when he was, when he said some things. And it was based in truth. Like he had, you know, ultimately, there's so many questions around that, that whole thing. It's just ridiculous. But the point is that he disappeared. Like they basically.

You talked about when one of his recently was beaten in his house. Is that the one you're talking about? Yeah, the Pulpilosi story, right? The Hammer story. And there's a question about who the individual is. They actually seem to be just in a spat. There's countless questions, right? Because even from the video we saw, you know, in terms of the actual, what was really happening before the Hammer incident, right?

But the point is that right after the event itself, before there was any footage, one of these reporters actually came out and said things that were contradictory to the narrative. And he didn't work. Like, he vanished. we're saying what happened to this guy is he okay and it's just like they basically put him on who knows what they put him on like kind of a leave paid leave or whatever but it was like they censored him for for going against the narrative right and that's common my point is that's really i think common as far as the nature of how controlled we're saying you can't you can't tell me that it's normal

in a society like you know a free society to have every major news organization saying the same thing when it comes to COVID, when it comes to the war in Ukraine, when it comes to any event, right? You would think that one or two, if they were not all controlled, would say, you know, this is where we should maybe question it. And I mean, it's good.

Tucker Carlson tends to do that, right? But he's his own entity. I'm saying, but as an organization, you would think that these networks would have a little bit more if they were free, if they were truly free, place to say, hey, you know, these things don't make sense. These things don't add up. we're going to question it. That's our job as journalists is to question it. But no one questioned it.

So what does that tell you? Well, and getting back to this Epstein story, I mean, here's what's, I mean, do you feel like if you stop your average person on the street? And this is why some of these tops, sometimes I don't get into a topic because I'm not sure it people are, it's almost like they accept it. You know, when I get into, do you realize officials get paid to, they're making money off of these vaccines? And then the answer is like if I, you know, if I'm sitting, in a table that don't know me, like, oh, well, yeah, government's corrupted. I guess corrupted. Like, if I stopped, I feel like if I stopped down the street and talked about Bill Clinton,

I mean, what we saw happen before our eyes. And not that I ever thought Monica Lewinsky deserved to ever be the scandal that it was. It just seemed stupid. But in that case, you clearly see someone that's attracted to younger people. Doesn't seem to have some ethical problem advancing in there. Then you see he flies with this guy that supplies young girls and has been arrested for doing so. No, Epstein was in his office, I can remember if it was a dozen times or something, when he was president. Right.

Epstein was visiting with young women. But yeah. Not necessarily underage, but he was bringing women to Clinton even in the 90s when he was president. So when you're covering a story like this and you're managing your audience, do you feel like they're accepting this as behavior or they just really don't? Like, which is it? So we're just compartmental. I was like, oh, that's not happening because they try to write it off as conspiracy theory. But in this case, you don't really have to.

stretched very far. It's right before your eyes. They're traveling together. His business appears, as we know it, to be providing, you know, entertainment through, through, you know, underage or maybe of age, but, you know, depending on the scenario, what do you think people in this country actually believe in are they just willing to accept that? I think there's a reason that Bill has kind of kept behind the scenes the last few years, right? They've pushed him back. The same when the UK with Prince Andrews has kind of become like a, how do you say, it's not a percent of an ungrada, but you kind of keep an arm's length, right? There has been, I think, some social consequence.

We've seen it in the U.S. with people like Weinstein going, obviously he went to prison, but Kevin Spacey is not working anymore. So it's almost like there's a faux pa where people are like, well, let's just keep a little distance from you. And Space is a perfect example, by the way, because I had friends that would talk to me about all, that worked with him and said that they were like, this guy, it was happening all the time. Everyone was watching. Parties really abusive behavior to younger or upcoming actors. Sure.

And I knew those stories before they were happening. And you're like, why is no one doing anything? The same was Weinstein. Yeah. I mean, everyone was talking. It's like, oh, anyone, any young woman that was invited, you know, to go see at Harvey, it's like, don't do it. Don't do it. You know, stay away from him or be careful.

It was known. But I think it was McCain's wife who said the same. Wasn't a McCain's wife who said the same thing about Epstein? Like, oh, we all knew. It hides in plain sight. Epstein was hiding in plain sight. We all knew about him. We all knew what he was doing.

But we had no one that was no legal aspect that would go after him. They were afraid of him. For whatever reason, they were afraid of him. Because there's a culture of blackmail. And I think this is really what Whitney Webb's book gets into this. I've interviewed her since then. And she's got this great two-part book about this one nation under blackmail. It's just the system of blackmail is how,

so many of these politicians advance, I believe, and so much of business is done, right? Like I said, the country club. And what, essentially? Oh, maybe this guy, you know, well, this guy likes hookers, and this guy likes little boys, but hey, we're at the same country club.

We don't talk about each other's dirty laundry. But that's the thing. You would think if you had someone good in there, they'd be calling out the rest of them. Or do they all just have their own skeletons, that they're all just, I mean, do we have a fully corrupted government? When you think about our government right now,

are you under the impression that they're all corrupted? It's not that it is, I look at it as a show. I don't believe the government is really the government. I look at the public face of the government as the, as the circus. It's the show. It's, you know, when Trump and others talked about a deep state, I think Pelosi talked about, she talked about cleaning the swamp too, actually, by the way, Pelosi did a long time ago. But the point is that, you know, when you talk about the real government, it's the, it's the bureaucracy, right?

It's the, it's like what's inside. It's the permanent officials that are there for. decades, right? And they basically have their own little, you know, groups. And then there's, you name it, there's the Masonic networks and then the sort of like even the more cryptic societies that people don't even know about, right? That's, I think, how things are really done. So when you're talking about the congressman who gets elected for two years and has to consistently, you know, get reelected, right? They're just doing favors, essentially. The same with the senator, just favors, the president. It's a president of a corporation. It doesn't hardly know anything. You know,

in there for four years maybe eight right they're out i mean it's a joke you don't really run that thing it's a show right the real the real story is is is much more entrenched yeah well getting deeper into you know and we're sort of covering sort of this one space of your series but really fascinating getting into is the government involved and using children in some way this is a very interesting and clip that starts with an informant, I guess, really talking about having grown up in the system. Take a look at this. Please go ahead and answer all questions. I was created by a government program.

Which government program? Monarch. And what is Maratat? Monarch is an operation that was created by the United States government to create spies for other countries. They use children for the purpose that they're easily integrated into multiple personalities because they can dissociate. Monarch is a program that is run by Michael Angelo Aquino who was an Army Reserve Colonel at Presidio. He is also the leader of the Temple of Seth. He also runs a child daycare center.

He also is involved in human sacrifice. So first of all, Monarch, when he's saying that, is what he's saying is that, I mean, this dissociation thing that he's talking about in children, that you can sort of, what would be the use of that? Hmm. This gets into the really, the deep occult family stuff. This is what I've, a lot of this research that I've done since, really since college or high school college and it's conversations with people, some on the record, some off the record. What you're looking at is generational trauma, family, with. in families. Some of it you could say is Masonic networks or you could see this lineage and how, look, you can think of it this way. Like your father went to war and then he goes, you have to go to war too,

right? Right. That's like a benign. That's benign. It's not benign. But it's relatively benign compared to what these people are doing, which is I was raped. Now it's your turn because you're going to, we're going to basically make you into a man. Right. That's kind of, that's part of the psychology of what's going on here. But it's really much more compartmentalized in the sense of these families are oftentimes part of bigger cult networks that are in power, whether they're involved in governments, like in Belgium was very involved with this in the 80s. There was a great scandal that came out exposing the relationship of politicians with the true case. And it nearly brought down the government. But then they hushed up. They make it all about Mark the True.

They forgot about his accomplice who was... It was like we just did with Epstein. And Like we know that the real story is not these two people. It's the list of people that apparently are running our government right now that you have FBI. Our government has it. Yes. And we are doing nothing about it. And that is the bigger part of this story. So when I say like the raping of the child is partly like making you a man or making you older, it's, it's metric. It's it's there's multiple facets to it. It's basically sexualizing the child right away. So oftentimes if it's a woman, you want to turn them into, uh, uh, being able to basically train them into prostitution essentially. So if you have a daughter, you're going to be able to marry her, let's say, into a powerful family or to the right partner. There's the splitting of personalities that takes place through trauma. Anyone who understands the nature of trauma in children, right? The greater the trauma oftentimes creates a dissociation so that people then can either

have multiple personalities. Kathy O'Brien talks about this in the documentary or at nothing else, you can numb. So what happens when you're a traumatized child is that you, as we see in our society now, you can then become a more sociopathic business person. I mean, if need be, you could be a killer. But the point is that within our power structure, if you're able to dissociate and have no compassion or empathy, it's much easier to rise in the ranks of a corporate structure. So in the sense of how this system is designed, essentially, they're doing.

different ways of, how do you say, there are different facets. It's very complicated. It's like there are different facets too. There are people who literally put their own children through this to basically groom them. And then there's the grooming of others. And then there's oftentimes the murder of other children by the children or by the grownups for ritual purposes, right? Because there's, there is a, there is a religious, you could say a religious component to some of these cults. And it's like, it's so multifaceted. There's a spiritual component because when you are traumatized, they believe that they can sometimes create like a Rosemary's baby kind of situation where I can bring a demon or a devil or a spirit, a god, as they might consider it,

you know, a deity through this child, through this being. So complicated. It's so vast. So this guy being spoken of in this, you know, the head of this, this monarch is said to be this guy, Michael Aquino who sort of weaves you weave him through much of this series in many different spaces he kind of touches in transhumanism in these different spaces but now if I remember correctly like he he admits he's does these satanic worship ceremony he's ahead he's ahead of this temple of set which is a spin-off of the temple the church of Satan because LeVay created church of Satan he came up in that and then he split it and created his own thing temple of set set was the Egyptian, ancient Egyptian version of Satan. He was the adversary figure.

So they're not, it's not like hiding it, right? I mean, he's not like hiding. I'm, you know, was like having, I mean, no, he's past now, but he never admitted to any kind of molestation right, but children. But I believe in worshipping dark figures and deities. And also while sort of working with the military and the government. Loving Henry Kemmler, the SS, he was a big, he was like really into this. Yeah, all right, well, this is the next clip getting a little bit deeper into into who this Aquino character is. Were you ever familiar with a monarch project

or so-called monarch sub-project of M.K. Ultra? Well, the monarch program, as far as I'm concerned, is nothing more than an urban myth. With the background in the CIA's Phoenix program during the Vietnam War, which was centered around assassinations, torture, and psychological black operations, could Aquino be trusted to tell the truth?

The producers of the Cook report certainly didn't seem to think so. Army investigators here at the Presidio Base in San Francisco have now formally accused him of ritually abusing young children from the base's daycare center. Indeed, one young girl says she was horribly abused by both Michael and Lilith Aquino at their nearby home. A U.S. Army chaplain made an accusation of child molestation centering on us at the Presidio of San Francisco. at a time when my wife and I were living 3,000 miles away in Washington, D.C. But we have a copy of the police report, and the child appears to have identified you. That's not true. But as the police report shows, and the Aquino's know full well,

the victim of that attack did identify them both as her abusers, to her parents, to her therapist, and to the army. What's more, since that original disclosure, at least five other children, have made identical allegations. Now, it's important to emphasize the fact that Colonel Michael Aquino actually sued the United States Army to take his name off of the criminal investigations

divisions, CID's list, of alleged child molesters from the Presidio scandal. And he lost. Aquino, of course, was an expert in the techniques of psychological warfare, a skill that was. was to prove useful to him in more ways than one.

What happened was it was unveiled, and what I already knew became public knowledge. He held a high-level international security clearance. He was on second to NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and he was a member of the World Affairs Council. Now, what happened was the Virginian Inquiry uncovered the fact that 12 other leading lights in the time Temple of Set were U.S. Army intelligence officers.

One of the things I really like about your series and why I'm diving into this space with you versus all the others is I didn't find you reaching beyond what evidence was out there. A lot of evidence I've never seen. I had heard of this guy. I've seen like pictures, you know, but I haven't, I didn't really get, I mean, here's the guy as being accused of, you know, doing bad things. things the children is in the government and also is trying to get them like get my name off of it and can't like probably the biggest conspiracy theory out there is that our government these top

government officials are all Satan worshippers I mean yeah is it all is it part of them is this real it's a lot of it I mean again be as safe as you have to be I mean I got well I you know you jump into it we can't make you know this is why the series we know we get into a lot of we go into a lot of areas that are supernatural you could say you know beyond beyond the physical realm because you know demons and angels and all these things have been discussed in every culture right across the planet for thousands and thousands of years to me there's credibility to that to the fact that every culture has their own rendition of these stories you know that what whatever you want to call them you know craft in the sky lights in the sky powers beyond this realm and um

And, you know, it's very, it would be very facile to just dismiss it all because now we're in an enlightenment age that this is all hocus pocus when we really understand nothing of our reality, right? The more we understand about the science of our reality, the more we're confounded by it, right? The nature of consciousness, whether all this is all a simulation, right? The simulation theory is coming out. What's really running the simulation, right? What's beyond the simulation? Yeah. You can't, you cannot be scientific or, you know, assume,

science and then pretend that you understand what's really happening on this planet. Well, let's make that clear. I mean, what I would say right now is everything is religion. Even science has truly become a religion. Yeah. Can't question it. They don't have to prove it, right? Nothing we're seeing now is proven. You're putting out products only after the fact now, almost everybody involved in this vaccine saying,

I always knew what wasn't going to stop transmission. So you totally lied to us. Right. I mean, you are admitting now with a smile on your face, Deborah Birx, of course, Tony Fouch, She's written just in a recent article. Yeah, the vaccine doesn't work, our bad. Sorry, we destroy your lives, careers, health over it. And so what I find interesting is how we all, though, it's like, okay, yeah, like even my own family, I have this issue, right?

They'll accept because they still are, I wasn't vaccinating as a kid, so they don't vaccinate. But the rest of it's okay. I still watch CNN. I still watch MSNBC. I still love Joe Biden because it's just that one bad thing. But for me, when you see, when the, you know, when the, you know, when the, when the current gets pulled back, you're like, oh, my God, you're totally lying. I don't understand this nature. Like put it back, but the rest of it, I'm going to be, I'm back to the Wizard of Oz.

I'm cool with it, right? What is that? What is it our nature that we're like? So this is why people are talking about a spiritual war. And it's like, if you're not of the light, if you're not in touch with your soul and the light of your soul. Yeah. I don't think you can see. I just think it's like the land.

the blind, right? And the one eye is king. And the one eye, maybe it is the one eye of, you know, the Illuminati, the all-seeing eye. Maybe that's what is king right now, because we are in the land of the blind. People are just unable to see through the facade, not all. I'm actually pretty optimistic because I know a third of the people said no to the first shot. Yeah. Many more said no to the second, and then many more said no to the third. Almost none are getting the third. And the fourth or whatever. There's an awareness, okay, there is some, there is some resistance there is awakening and so but overall there is to like a land of the blind concept and i believe the spiritual war so when we when you're asking about like are they devil worshipers it's like

it's it's it's cultic behavior it's you ever see the bohemian grove ceremony that alex jones recorded and we featured in the show and i talked to alex about a little bit but really you can just see for yourself they're not they're not sacrificing a child but it's a ceremony of a mock sacrifice of a child. Right. That's the cremation of care. It's burning a child an effigy. Right.

To the great nature, to some spirit. We don't know exactly what. It's bizarre. Why would you have that much energy and attention? Then you look at all these concerts. What is the energy and attention of these, you know, rock concerts and rap concerts? Let's just go right there. I mean, we just had the Grammys recently, right?

I mean, this is a big conversation going on right now. is this entertainment? Is this an enrollment? Is it just a presentation of who we are? If you missed it, here's a couple of seconds from, I think probably the most talked about performance and who sponsored it that we've had recently. Take a look at this is the Grammys. I feel like that perfectly packages it all.

It was 30 seconds to say it all. And the singer is non-binary, and it's like there's an agenda here right there's an agenda as they say unholy it's against nature you can't tell me that there's no bind you're not binary because nature has two sexes right you can't be non-binary in nature you can't reproduce that way right so if you're talking like if we're thinking of it energetically there's an energetic notion of feeding on people's energy and giving power to this this satanic invert Satanism to me is just inversions right lot of it is theatrics of course. Anton LeVay was fully theatrical, right? It was just like that,

you know, but there's an energy that people understand that if you, beyond the physical realm that you're feeding into, you're feeding into that inversion. Anton LeVay's quote was basically it's in the docu-series. It was like, you know, freedom is slavery. You know, it was all this inversion stuff, right? Essentially what we live through, right? Like wisdom is ignorance. The, the left hand is the right hand. Like it's really about inversions. That's the heart of what Satanism is and what we've been living through it. You're saying they're going like, but you knew you were lying. Yeah, but it's okay.

That's just, that's Satanism. It's like, it doesn't matter that I lied. It's okay. It was for your benefit. It was for your good. Put the mask on, not for you, for your grandma. It doesn't make sense. There's no logic. It doesn't matter. Because we've inverted our reality. And that's what's playing out is this total inversion of our reality.

And so it's like, yeah, you know what? You have a little child. They can transition to, from one sex to the other. But they can't have children after that. But that doesn't matter. They can do it in a lab somewhere. You know, they can do it in genetically engineering in a lab. So to me, the agenda is it's basically remaking

the natural order, the nature of, let's say, creation, right, that allows us to have immune systems and have bodies and to be able to produce children, which are miracles, right, and to be in this beautiful planet that's a miracle. They want us to hate nature. They want us to hate carbon dioxide, which we exhale every time we breathe,

Right. That actually makes plants grow the thing that you need on this plant. Exactly. It's like they want a total inversion of our reality to a metaverse and synthetic reality. Where we'll just grow babies in tubes and tanks, right? And we can create artificial cement. And we can, you know, whatever. We can clone and we can agonically alter because isn't that really what Satan has always been about? That's what's so fascinating. And the series I never put them together is how here we have this Aquino character that's, admittedly deep into this space would probably love that performance and say they loved it. But it's all in many ways leading to this whole transhumanism discussion, which is where you go in the series. Take a look at this.

Bill Gates has promoted genetic modification of crops and gene editing in human. In the 1930s, that was considered eugenics, based in a belief that DNA determines everything from our looks to our intelligence. After the Nazis took that theory to an extreme, eugenics was rebranded as genetic engineering. It's worth noting that Gates' friend Epstein was also interested in genetic engineering, believing he could populate a super race with his sperm. No wonder Epstein sponsored MIT's Media Lab, born of the 1950s' Cybernetics Studies, and what was cybernetics, if not based in the desire to steer humans

and their social systems using our biology? So we've got to get people liking one another and working together. And what Mind War is suggesting is that a great deal of the factors which influence people to be this way are at the mechanical level, at the subconscious level, and can be controlled through technology, which is what the book is talking about. This, I mean, and it really does come down to as I've looked at this. And I've actually been certainly in my talks a little bit less on my. the high wire because I just tried to make this a science space, but I find myself talking about good and evil, God a lot more, because it really is, to me, the death of God in the world. And whether someone's religious at all, it's not really my point. This idea that we're connected as a beauty

and there's something bigger than all of us is being taken away. And you look at all these issues, we can make viruses that are better for your body because that's what they're doing, right? They're not like antivirus. They're like, no, I mean, we are talking about releasing viruses and mosquitoes, releasing viruses in the air through, you know, from airplanes to protect us from the natural viruses. I mean, this is how far this is gone. It's going to be a battle of man's viruses in me versus God's viruses in me and which will prevail. If you look at the issue of sexuality, I mean, I can't look at it.

you are, you first of all, hate your, I can't see it anything is, it's really body dysmorphism, you know, and since what we watch in anorexia, to me they seem like the same thing, but now all of a sudden it's really acceptable to hate your body, to want to cut the parts of your body off. And by the way, now the comments are, you're not a man until you decide. Your men can have periods too, this whole thing. And what that does is it makes your doctor is now your God. Whatever I can sew or take off of you, cut off of you.

defines who you are, not how you're born onto this earth. And then ultimately our minds, and the final frontier here, our minds and souls is this transhumanism thing. And all of it, by the way, it's not like they love human beings, they love the species or something. They're trying to save it to,

in their strange way, their strange space. But what it is is, in order to overcome the power of computers, we now have to mesh in and become partially computerized and things like that. Maybe it's just control. You know, these people have been at it for centuries. Centuries. It's been centuries of controlling the population. The population are seen as, you know, kind of like cattle. You know, you tax form, right?

It's like, okay, you know, you got to pay your taxes. You got to, you can move around this land, you know, but you have to have passes to do that. You know, you need to license to drive on this road. I mean, it's all been constructed in such a way for control purposes. Yeah. With you can be going back to my original thesis for why I did this. was say no we need to activate and wake up and recognize our sovereignty as human living beings on the land in relationship with our creator in relationship with nature that was given you know given to us and people say in the bible you know it was given to you go forth and basically you know go forth and prosper essentially right like the uh isn't that the vulcan saying but essentially that's what the bible is talking about right take this land and make it you know make it yours and and you know

recognize how beautiful nature is all the medicines that we we have are are in nature, right? Everything that nature creates, there's a counter for it. There is, there is an opportunity, there is a destruction in nature, there's a death, but that then so is the next seeds of life, right? So getting in tune with technology to me is not like neither positive or negative, right? You can use fire, you can use fire to warm yourselves or to burn your enemy. It's really how we use it as humans, but they're talking about taking technology into your body and basically remaking the entire thing and remaking nature and remaking the whole world. We had to ask that's what this vaccine just did.

If you're altering your DNA, things like that, we are not the same human beings we were before we got involved with these products. Yeah, and so to the point of why, you know, why? Because if you, that which you make, you can control, right? If you're altering people, you can better control them and manipulate them, right? But if you're not in control, if you've been made naturally, it's much harder to manipulate you. So they've already been working for a long time to control our minds,

with language, with access to knowledge, information, universities. I mean, you talk about science as the new gods. Well, the new priest class, right? The priest class in the old days could read the Bible. You couldn't read the Bible. People were burned for trying to publish the Bible in the old days, right? Yeah. So it's always been this thing about like you don't have the right to think for yourself.

You don't have the right to heal yourself. You don't have the right to govern yourself. These are the taboos of our reality. And I think we're at the juncture now, people are saying, hey, wait a minute, I have those rights. And they're saying, oh, no, we're going to, we have to up it to a transhuman agenda where you don't even think about it because you're basically going to be so a chip and altered and dependent upon us, this super state, this transnational government, you know, for your life. And if not, you know, basically you won't get your next upgrade.

Right. Well, the series is amazing. There's a bunch of other clips I want to show, but I want to try and just sort of bring this all together because, I mean, what you're laying out in this series, on one, you know, first of all, it has something for everybody. It covers things that we've already looked at. And then you go deeper into spaces that are a little bit more uncomfortable. But I want to ask you a personal question.

Because I feel like, first of all, I grew up watching your father's films. And his challenge of the establishment, I think, is unprecedented. And really no one's done in film. I don't think what he really did with Platoon is, like really going after establishment. And I grew up in a similar family, not probably with all the sort of cameras rolling on me all the time. But my father raised me to be critically thinking was very, very, I am who I am because I was raised in a family and said, don't trust anything. Don't trust anything you see. You're going to have to do your own investigations.

Don't the news is lying to you. The television, you don't know, it's all being manipulated, right, for an agenda. Yet I find myself now talking to my father with my parents, not to, you know, that. And there's, they don't even get what's going on now. I was like, you, they're quite, we get into arguments, you know. I just like, I don't understand how you can be pro Biden. Or they were telling me this laptop story is not real. I was like, of course it's true.

What are you listening to? What are you talking about? Until recently or just in the beginning? Now, now they're finally coming around. Now they're finally coming around. But I mean, when it was all breaking loose. But I'm just wonder. And I think about my parents because my parents would always talk about how their parents,

Nixon, their parents loved Nixon and they were anti-war and they found themselves in the 60s, you know, which your father comes from that same baby boomer space. The parents were just hoodwinked on what was really going on. The youth revolted and just said, you know, no, we're not having this. Yet, you know, I go and I'm, you know, I was speaking on at January 6th. When I try to talk to my parents are saying, you do realize that the same controlled opposition And you complained about in the 1960s at the March in Chicago with the Democratic event. You know, that's the same thing that's happening now January 6th.

There's infiltrated. There's all, no, this is totally different. They can't be compared. You know, these people are sickos. They're not sickos. They're mothers and fathers and children. Bob, dad, I was there. Do you find yourself?

I don't know. Where's your dad at? Is he totally down with you and asking all the same questions? No. I feel that people's people are sort of formed by their time period. and what we talked about their beliefs become their prison unfortunately oftentimes people get entrenched in especially the longer they go on with a belief system that they when things come of a different ilk in a different shape and a different clothing right right they tend to sort of

miss the common the common thread so um when it comes to you know i don't want to speak too much for my father but it comes to like the war state he always sees the military industrial complex as the enemy he doesn't see the connection military industrial complex to big pharma for example and i hope bobby kennedy's new book on this subject will help elucidate some things but yeah i think it's it's when you're talking about that generation it's like the left of that time can't imagine that the right of this era could actually be on the same side you know the liberals of today are kind of on the right. But if you understand that the liberals became the authoritarian. Right. So what happened was I was being raised, be told that it's, yeah, the rights, the authoritarian.

It's a complex game of how this took place because essentially the liberal concept is obviously is old in terms of our, our republic. But the idea of the left is not liberalism. The left was a particular ilk of like new left. It was basically a lot of Marxists or neo-Marxists or people of that orientation. and that we oftentimes under the brand of progressivism. And they essentially, they commandeered a lot of what is now the Democrat Party. It's like it's a certain leftism, a certain flavor that believes in greater government, like basically a massive state, a massive, you name it, whether it's welfare or military, it's all this state control apparatus. And so the liberal instinct, which has actually been about closer to like, we could say closer to libertarianism, is not part of the current democratic establishment. but people that have considered themselves lifelong democrats they don't want to lose affiliation

to that party because it's like it's been their home it's been like their neighbor right friendship so it's like i'm scared of of going away from that as opposed to saying hey why am i part of this any party i should be independent which as you said you were i mean i'm someone that i voted for for for carry i voted for for trump i'm like you know i'm pretty much agnostic as long as like i like like maybe the person, then, you know, Carrie I don't love, but like at the time was better than Bush. Right. But the point is that like, you know, you kind of go with like, okay, what feels like you're instinctually trying to see what's, you know, where things need to move?

Is not an affiliation of any party? So that's where you need to be, right? Ultimately, we want to bring our sovereignty again to ourselves, to the power to ourselves. And whoever is going to, whatever government is going to give me the most freedom. No. I'm in favor of ultimately I don't want any of these, this massive federal government. I want to go back to this, the concept of state. states rights and individual rights.

I totally agree. Community, you know, community level governance as much as possible. You know, that's where I want to take things. So how we get there, you know, that's going to be the long run. I don't know if the boomers are necessarily, you know, if they can fathom because they were part of this expansion of the government that really started 100 years ago with World War I. Before that the federal government wasn't, it was tiny. World War I started this whole bloating process.

Every war has just bloated it and obviously then the welfare state and everything, the security state, everything that's come with it to the place where the government federal government is 40% of our GDP. It's so entrenched to the entire economy, to the whole game, that you have to disentangle the federal government from our lives if we're going to actually have some freedom. Now, just sort of summing it all up, and I think what I love about the conversations that we have together,

this conversation is we're using these very difficult subjects to sort of try to shock, you know, slap ourselves away, right? To say, I've got to be able to deal with it. I have to overcome it. But most of the work you're doing really is in empowerment, right? Tell me just a little bit about that and how people can get involved in, you know, what you're doing. Yeah, I mean, it's also like it's a consciousness thing. Like we have to individually reframe our reality, right?

We have to reframe how we see reality, how, you know, I cut out media when I was young because I was realizing I was being lied to. I'm like, so why am I going to keep following the liars? Right. So I don't I go to the places that actually seem like they're, you know, whether it's programs like yours or the Alex Jones, Joneses or you name it, you know, the talkers or whoever, like we're actually telling more of the truth, you know, and generally kind of getting things right. Like so trying to basically tune your mind. So for me, I do these, these workshops. One is called the art of success. The other one is called heart magic. People can get them through my website. And it's just meant to like attune you to yourself so that you are more in connection with your own individual, my story, you know, my relationship to my soul, my creator, so that I'm no longer just living my life, according to. to someone else's blueprint or map or telling, you know, you name it, orders. I don't need anyone else's orders. I don't need to, I have my own song.

I don't need to listen to the beat of someone else's drum. Yeah. The individual, the power of the individual now, I think, is really the work that needs to be done. Getting back to, we've really been put to sleep with this mantra that the good of the whole, everybody else is more important than you, yourself, you know, which is how we all turned each other in if we weren't masking, why we were all supposed to get the vaccine to protect each other. even though they ended up now telling us that the entire concept was a shame

because they always knew it didn't stop transmission. And I was watching some clips of Mickey Willis's, you know, Landemic 3, which is coming very quickly. And in it, Ed Griffin makes such a great point. He says, you know, this collectivism idea, which is, you know, the good of the whole is greater than the individual. He's like, that just brings everybody down. Everybody just drops into a complacency.

How about when you celebrate the individual, what the individual realizes is at first it may be a selfish space, but very quickly and early on you realize, wait, I do better when I involve others. When others are taking care of my life is better and you get to taking care of each other the proper way, which is because it benefits the individual. You take the individual out and now all you have is a slave class. It goes back to always that same principle. You cannot give what you don't have.

You know, when you're a kid and you're on the plane, they say in case of emergency, the air comes down and the parents is told you put yours on first, you secure your mask so that you can get oxygen. so then you can help someone else. We have to get back to that point exactly. When I'm working for my best interest, what happens naturally is, well, I want to share it, right? If I have money out, what am I going to do, sit on my money? What can I do with it?

No, I want to invest it in you or you and buy from you and, you know, exchange. So we have to get to this place where we actually honor and respect, like the idea of earning as opposed to where we are now, which is like, oh, if you're making money, you're a pig, you need to pay all your money to the government. you should send it all to Ukraine. Right. You know, like, think about that.

How I've inverted the entire American dream to like, no, you're bad if you're making money. I know. It's amazing. It is amazing. All the work that you're doing can be found. Seanstone.info. Seanstone.info. Yeah.

You're doing great work, man. And I love that you're bold enough to go out there. And I love that you're getting these topics in a in a, in a, I want to careful sound of the word, right word. you're being smart about it, you're being effective, you're not jumping beyond where it goes. There's so much there that we should be alarmed about. We don't need to jump to what's happening behind that final door we can't see. It's really, really important work. And I want to thank you for sort of helping me break my, you know, into this space a little bit with my audience.

We'll see how it all turned out. No, it's, I don't think this is, it's not too, We're not breaking the door too wide open because ultimately, you know, again, as you said, the series is not meant to overreach. It's really just saying, look, this is some evidence. These are some things that we, that we, you know, are more provable than not. And it's up to you individually to what are you going to do with this? How are you going to take this information? How do you want to apply it?

You don't have to go out there and save the children. You can, you know, you can just be more aware in your own life. Maybe there is an organization you want to work with or just a narrative that you want to help get out there and promote. As long as we're aware, we can make decisions. We want to expand our awareness, so we can make more informed decisions. So the hear our heads in the sand is what we've been doing is not working. No. Sean Stone, thank you for joining me today.

You got it. Really an honor. All right, definitely go to shanstone.info. Check out best kept secrets, among all the other things there. I really do recommend this series. It really gets, it lays out facts and points in a way that I think are very easily consumed and really help you understand some topics that. could be difficult to get into.