The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Sen. Ron Johnson: Pandemic Politics & America’s Covid Cartel

Episode Date: August 26, 2022

Senator Ron Johnson has been a champion for freedom since well before the Covid Pandemic. In this mind-blowing interview, he sits down with Del to expose the dirty pandemic politics that drove America’s Covid Debacle.#PandemicPolitics #RonJohnson #TheHighWire #DelBigtree #CovidCartelBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

All right. So, you know, let's just start out with politics. Why did you get into politics? How did it all start? It's actually a relatively simple and short story. I never thought I'd get involved in politics. I ran a, I'm an accountant by education, ran a manufacturing plan for 30 years, but I got involved in my community. And so during the whole Tea Party movement, I was asked to give a speech to Tea Party, just describing the harmful impact of government regulations on business. and never given a speech before my life. A true conservative seeks public office is an act of service and only when duty calls. What I talked about was the fact that President Obama was trying to sell his Obamacare plan,

which I knew wouldn't work. I knew it wouldn't protect patients. I knew it wouldn't make care more affordable. But he was doing it by denigrating doctors. Remember saying that doctors are so greedy, basically. I'm paraphrasing. They'll take out a set of tonsils, amputated a foot, to make more money. The doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself,

you know what, I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out. Now I found that pretty offensive and I told the audience exactly why I did because our first child had out of carrier was born in the very serious congenital heart defect. And one of those, according to President Obama, greedy money-grimbing doctors came in at 1.30 in the morning, did a procedure on her heart, saved her life. And then eight months later, when her heart's the size of a small plum, in seven hours of open heart surgery, they completely rebaffled the upper chamber of her heart. Wow. And she literally, the first week of life, she spent in the hospital.

And then eight months later for that surgery, it was a week. Open heart surgery, rebaffed the upper chamber of her heart. Her heart operates backwards today. But she's 39 years old, has two children through surrogacy because she can't bear children. And so I basically told that story. And I think a real important part of the story as it relates to COVID is it was during that time frame in 1983 that I really came to understand what the term medical practice means. It's not a clinic. It's not a business.

I mean, it's literally doctors using their skill and they practice medicine. That's how we advance medicine. And so again, when I heard President Obama denigrating doctors, people that had dedicated their lives of saving lives, obviously saved my daughter's life and so many other people. It was just obnoxious. I found it incredibly offensive. So I gave that speech.

Afterwards, people came up to me. I didn't even know, say, he liked your speech, why don't you run for office? Because I'm not crazy. But then they passed to Obamacare. Right. And we're mortgaging in kids' futures. That's really, that's how I got involved in politics.

And did you go straight into the Senate? Yeah, I mean, this was October 2009. They passed Obama here Christmas Eve 2009. I talked to that same person that invited me to speak to the Tea Party. She was also our county chair of the Republican Party, and I asked her to, you know, what would you think somebody like me decide to run for you a Senate? And she said, well, I love it. You're not crazy.

Well, I proved her wrong. So literally, I didn't decide to make the final decision to run until late April of 2010, ran a six-month campaign and I've won two times. Wow. I always found this interesting because when I started talking to politicians, first of all, it's so intimidating, right? When I first started going around talking about some the issues from my work looking at, you know, vaccine safety and investigating those things, it's very intimidating to walk into a congressman's office or a senator's office and speak. And I realized fairly early on, wait a minute, this is just a person that had a regular job.

Normal folks. A normal person that is just now in like this position of power, we really look up to them as though somehow you came from a different planet of, you know, politicians or something. So coming in to be a senator, was it what you thought it would be? Well, first of all, I always consider myself a citizen legislator. Okay. Which is really what I am.

I had a full life, raised a family, and then at the age of 55, I decided to run for office and became a senator. Listen, I knew I wouldn't be able to come here and save the world, okay? But I knew you needed people, as Jim DeMint, and actually one of the things that inspired me, I heard him on a different program saying, you know, we need more people coming here, not to join the club, but to join the fight. So again, I still consider myself more Tea Party than Republican Party, although obviously I align with that political party.

But did I really understand the full dysfunction here? No. This place is almost totally dysfunctional. What I have found out is there's basically four people in Washington, D.C., they have power. The president, the Speaker of the House, and then as long as we maintain the filibuster, the majority and minority leader of the Senate. You still have some semblance and minority rights in the Senate. Of course, Democrats want to blow that up so that, you know, if they didn't have that, there'd be only three people with power. Now, the rest of us can obviously make noise.

We can't hold hearings. we can utilize our position and highlight things for the public, expose things. Yeah. And quite honestly, I came here to try and rein in deficits spending. Came here we were $14 trillion in net where debt were now over 30. So on a bipartisan basis, this place is very good at mortgering our kids' future. So I became chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs in 2015. People don't realize it, but that is the Senate Oversight Committee. Governmental Affairs is, you know, we don't really call it oversight, but it's the Senate Oversight Committee.

And, you know, I didn't come here to do investigations, but all of a sudden, your chairman of that committee, charged with oversight over the entire federal government. Right. And able to conduct an investigation just about anything that you think is important. And so all of a sudden, spend six years investigating things, and I determined really how deep the deep state is. Yeah. get a pretty good sense of the level of corruption in it. Yeah.

And why I'm running again. It's got to be exposed. And there aren't a whole lot of people like myself who've been dedicated to exposing the corruption. You know, when you talk about Jim DeMint saying, you know, we need, you know, warriors, fighters in here, like they really care to make a difference, not just be a part of the system.

How many politicians are here with that attitude? Because from the outside, it just seems like, It's just everyone's scratching each other's back. They'll have a little squabble in front of cameras, but you're all going out to dinner afterwards, no matter what side you're on. You know, how many people, what percentage would you say in this building right now? I'm not a real fan of the federal government, okay?

That said, there are a lot of good people here serving in Congress, okay? But they're all faced with the same level of dysfunction. And, you know, I think it's generally true that, the top priority of many members, if not most, is get reelected. Right. And if you have that attitude, I mean, you can rationalize and justify, say, I have to get reelected because, you know, it affects your activity. From my standpoint, I'd be happy to go home.

Yeah. I've seen the dysfunction. My game plan was to serve two terms to go home. That was my wife's very strong intention. Yeah. And I would have done that had Biden not take it. taken over, Democrats got total control and promised to transform America and then proceeded to do so with open borders, 41-year high inflation, record gasoline prices, rising crime.

This is the year 2022 and we don't have enough baby formula to feed our infants in the United States of America. So in the end, what we find out is the fundamental transformation is basically fundamentally destroying it and I've never walked away from a problem in my life and I, listen, America is far too rare and precious to give up on it. So in the end, I couldn't turn my back on it. Let's talk about the issue that, you know, you really, you know, created some waves around,

which is, you know, this sort of COVID crisis, obviously vaccines, drugs, preventatives, all these things that you've got yourself in the middle of it. But I remember when COVID sort of started. I started seeing these pictures of in China people falling face first. What was your first, you know, I guess as an apologist, when did it enter into the capital here and become a part of the thought system? And what were those thoughts?

Well, it was late January, early February. And as we discussed earlier, I was asking you the same question. How did you get involved in all this? Yeah, what was the moment? You know, for me, I'm doing other investigations, but all of a sudden you have this weird disease and you see the pictures in China, people wearing moon suits, which I still scratched my head I didn't wonder if, wasn't that just a scare tactic on the part of the Chinese government? I don't know.

Right. I don't either. I mean, there's so much that doesn't make sense about COVID that I've got a pretty open mind trying to figure out what all is pulling off here. Yeah. But you take something like that seriously. And obviously, I think the game plan always was to scare the American public so they can gain greater control.

They did a pretty good job of it. So I held my first roundtable. as chairman of the committee with Scott Gottlie, other individuals that had been connected to the CDC. And that was an early, probably about mid-February of 2020. Okay. That's when I first became more of the fact that in America, we really don't produce pharmaceutical drugs.

We do the research on it, but all the precursor chemicals, which is called intermediate, which is kind of an odd name for it, primarily produced in China. It's a refining process. It's a dirty process, so probably not welcome type of manufacturing the U.S. And then all the active pharmaceutical ingredients

are also producing in China, a lot of India. So you realize we are really vulnerable. Right. We've done nothing to correct that. Right. I mean, we pass a trillion a quarter dollar infrastructure bill. I'm trying to make the point. We've got to do put something in there to nothing.

Yeah. You know, it's crazy. We're just going to pass another quarter of a trillion dollar deficit spending bill on the China bill. no mention of making sure that we're producing our pharmaceutical precursor chemicals and active pharmaceutical ingredients. So again, this place is, it's not a business, trust me. Part of the problem here is you have so very few members, staff,

bureaucrats that have any experience in the private sector, which means they have very little knowledge of it and maybe worse, sympathy for it, as well as the fact they've just never even participate in a functioning organization. That's amazing. You know, where you've got a company where you've got a mission statement, a vision statement, you've got annual goals. Everybody knows what, again, you've got four people calling all the shots here. So what are you doing today?

So the level of dysfunction in Washington, D.C. is profound. Drives a guy like me nuts. So your first conversation really was that we're obviously going to need, you know, responses. We're going to need drugs. We need things to deal with this. And so you sit down at a round table bringing, I'm sure, you know, got leave. so he's probably discussing heads of Pfizer, you know, all these different companies. Like, and you discover we don't make any of this stuff ourselves.

And well before I heard of Peter McCulloch's Four Pillars, you know, prevent the spread, early treatment at home, hospital treatment, then vaccines. Right. Well before I ever heard that, I was immediately focusing on therapies. Right. Do we have drugs off the shelf? I mean, how quickly can we develop a cure for this? Right.

So that's why I was thinking about that already in February. As things progressed, I think where I probably first got made a splash on COVID is I was completely opposed to shutdowns. Again, I come from the private sector. You can't shut the American economy down. People have to eat. You know what I mean? You can't shut it down. You're going to have to cope with this.

You're going to have to deal with it. And so I made the comment that we tragically lose 36,000 people here in the highways, but we don't shut the highways down. Right. And then that actually got brought up to Fauci. one of his press conferences in the White House, and he said, oh, that's beyond the pale that analogy. To compare traffic accidents with, I mean, that's totally way out. That's really a false equivalency. No, it's actually a pretty accurate analogy. So I was asked because I made that comment, I was asked at the end of March 2020 to write the account op-ed in USA Today. What's interesting

about that is they give you 300 words. And they don't show you what their op-ed is. You just got to get a very limited number of words to write a counter to whatever they're going to publish. But I was actually happy to do it because I was so utterly opposed to shutdowns. The minute I heard the possibility of a drug, like hydroxychloroquine, my first thought was, if this worse, could we produce enough of it? What's the volume? Right. Okay.

But even before that, if you remember in the early days when it was obviously hitting Italy, really hitting New York. I'm seeing these doctors go online after 12, 14, 16 hours shifts. I mean, again, these people that, President Obama are calling greedy. People just, you know, they're trying to practice medicine. We come back to that.

They're practicing medicine. They're using their skills. Trying to figure out what's happening here. And I'm seeing videos where they're saying, this is not, this is different than, you know, the standard kind of lung issues we're dealing with. This is just something different. And people are coming in and they're functioning and their oxygen levels are unbelievably low.

Right. There's something different here. We got to try different things. I believe we are treating the wrong disease. And I fear that this misguided treatment will lead to a tremendous amount of harm to a great number of people in a very short time. And then those videos were being censored. I remember the video from those two doctors in California. Yeah.

Okay. One of them is Dan Erickson. Yeah. They're trying to treat patients. They're saying, boy, we think a lot of people have already had this. This thing is widespread. That's the good news. But they were immediately shut down, immediately censored.

And I'm going, how are we going to allow doctors to practice medicine if we don't utilize what we have here in the year 2020 versus what we had in 1918? We have the Internet. We've got this marvelous information age where doctors can freely exchange information. they can practice medicine, they can share their experiences. We can get on top of this. You know, have multiple theories of the case. Right. And it was all being shut down.

So to get back to hydroxychloric when I started reaching out to the manufacturers, going to if this is going to work, now I've always been completely agnostic in terms of what early treatments, just do something. Right. Better doing nothing, you know. So I had, I contacted the CEO of Navarra. artist who's one of the major manufacturers of hydroxychloric.

Found out they'd already donated something like 30 million tablets to the national stockpile. Are those being distributed? We found out there's a big log jam there. So I tried to work with the administration to break that log jam to get that distributed. Then there was a prescription log jam, as I always called it, because an immersive use authorization was written by Dr. Rick Bright. And he knew exactly what he was doing. It sounds good, right? We're going to write in.

Yeah, but it sounds like right. The problem is they wrote it so that you could only use hydroxychloroquine in the hospital, not for early treatment when it's too late and doctors pushing hydroxychloricine. We're not recommending it for the hospital. So he was asked by Secretary Azar to write an investigative, investigative drug, is there some name for it, to get this widely available for doctors? And Rick Bright went to buddy in the FDA and they wrote this EUA to... It was really locked it down to basically take.

Because I remember Donald Trump basically saying I've spoken to the FDA. I want them to make this available. So that's right about that same time. Hydroxychloroquium. And it's shown very encouraging, very, very encouraging early results. And we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that's where the FDA has been so great. They've gone through the approval process.

It's been approved. I was hammering all the time. I was talking to Steve Hahn. of the president. You got to break this log jam. Talk to Steve. He'll take care of it. No, I mean, Mr. President, the FDA screwed it up.

They've got to unscrew it, okay? Neither one of us could get it done. Did he, did Donald Trump understand what had happened? I mean, I don't think so, no. No, no, I don't think. Because he had seen pretty. Now listen to what Dr. Berks is saying. Right.

They were manipulating what he, what his request were. What is amazing about what Dr. Berks is, and I haven't read her book, I've just, I've read the excerpts. You would think, some of that information is something you'd want to take to the grave. You would never want to admit what she's admitting publicly. So, I mean, it just shows you what a challenge we have where they believe they can talk with impunity about lying to the President of the United States during a health crisis where we're shutting the economy down where we are impacting people's lives,

literally costing people their lives. And she's coming out and saying, yeah, I was lying the president. You know, I was changing, I was doctoring the information, the data, you know. It's jaw-dropping. It seems like it's treason or sedition or something. I was like, I don't know. It's wrong. It was wrong. That's right.

And she's bragging about it. Right. So again, I was dealing with those people in the White House, and it was like talking to a brick wall. Getting back to Novartis still. So I had a pipeline to this CEO texting him all the time. And he's saying, oh, yeah, we got like a dozen trials that are going to be ready, you know, mid-May to end of June. artists, you felt like they were excited about this product being viable. Yeah, yes, yeah, because they were going to conduct, you know, like a dozen trials. He seemed going to come out in May and

all of a sudden, about the end of April, I'd have to check my email or my text in terms of when the communication stopped. I've never talked to him since then. Just shut off all. It was like a switch was turned. Boom. That was it. No more communication. Obviously, never saw a trial come out of Nevada. What we did see with the fraudulent trials. Right. On Surge's sphere. Yep. And, you know, so something happened there. This is why I'm always asking you about, you know, when did you get involved in this? At some point in time, those of us that were involved in this, we all need to sit down in a room and compare our experiences and try and try and put this puzzle together because it's still a puzzle.

Yeah. I don't have all the answers. I can't explain it. But it sure seems at some point in time, the cabal. I call them the COVID cartel, decided no, it's going to be a vaccine. And of course, that's one of the explanations of why they'd want to tank and sabotage early treatment, which they did. Yep. Okay.

Was if you have an effective therapy, you're not going to get emergency use authorization on a totally novel therapy. Right. That's not a vaccine. They had to change the definition of a vaccine. Right. So that happened somewhere around the April. What's shocking about that. Well, we'll say is shock about this.

I think as we were reporting, and this is why I really was so excited to get the. opportunity to talk to you because what was happening on the inside because from the outside it seemed like we were being told the drug companies in this case nevartis doesn't want to do anything with a generic product because they were or at least one that's off label and is is off patent and isn't going to be like highly expensive so they they buried it but to find out that nevartis you know you talk this one side of nevartis they sound relatively excited several trials going on It sort of changes the dynamic of what we're being told is motivating it. In that case, it would have been financed, right?

Money is what's deciding it. But this seems different than that. Well, again, at some point, maybe the- Or maybe the guy you're talking to just was off the reservation- Okay, no, we don't want to do generic drugs anymore. You know, we're not going to- Right. Again, I can't explain. But people are dying, right? People are dying.

The thing that is so shocking about this is we're being told on the news by, you know, whatever pundit wants to go out there, whatever politician, we are working on this, people are dying, it's an emergency, yet it felt like anything but when you start hearing what's going on and said, aren't you going to try? I mean, you have doctors all over the world saying hydroxychloroquine's working. And so we're better off with nothing at all than something that a lot of people are seeing success with. So let's set that aside for the time being. Okay. Let's kind of keep going down the timeline. Okay.

Well, yeah, the Princess Cruise, where that entire cruise ship was. infected perfect petri dish study which which which is completely held up yeah I mean the statistics from that if you're elderly you're vulnerable you're gonna have a five six seven percent infection fatality rate if you're under 70 right now I think the number is 0.05 percent infection mortality you know a standard flu season is point one right so this is half of a standard flu but against flu season also takes into account it melds together the extremely elderly whatever So what I was trying to do is I was trying to put things in perspective.

You know, this is an Ebola at a 40%. It's not MERS at a 30% infection mortality rate. It's not even SARS at about an 8% to 9% in February. This is something going to be more, you know, maybe a really nasty flu. But again, I'm saying we can't shut down the economy. So I held a hearing in May. And I brought in Johnny Anetus. I had Avic Roy.

How do you get a hold of it? I mean, how does a guy that's just an accountant? I'm a U.S. senators. One of the advantages. You can actually talk to people. So people told you this is your guy? Well, telling you this is your guy?

No, I watched the news. Oh, so you just seem the same as he and working it. Yeah. So I wanted to bring him in and brought in, Avic Roy, who's kind of a healthcare expert. I brought in Scott Atlas. Yep. So you brought in Scott Atlas before Scott Atlas went into the webhouse.

Yeah. I've given a fair amount of these folks. You're on top of it. Some platforms here. Yeah. But anyway, I also heard. about this guy who's affiliated with the University of Wisconsin talking about using corticosteroids. Here's a treatment.

They're shutting all these people down. I'm going to get this guy a platform. So, I mean, last minute, and this is all Zoom. This is, obviously, during COVID, so this is all Zoom hearing. But I had Pierre Corey come in. And one thing about Pierre, I tell all the witnesses, you've got five minutes. Yeah. Pierre doesn't worry about the five minute time.

But again, he's obviously passionate. He's talking about corticosteroids. All societies from the beginning of COVID had revised against the use of corticosteroids in COVID-19. We think that is a fatal and tragic flaw. I think he was pretty well vilified for quite a few weeks, even recommending corticosteroids. About eight weeks later, you had the study about dexamethosone. And all of a sudden, it becomes a standard of care. So in May, I'm trying to put it in perspective in terms of what the infection of fatality

rate's going to be let's not freak out about this let's put this in perspective okay um let's do not let's not have the cure worse than the disease right and i'm putting first doctor talking about the kind of treatment and again i was great i had a great deal sympathy for all these doctors trying to get the message out and they're all being censored but anyway you know the the main purpose of the hearing is for the public to hear it okay to hopefully get some journalists listening in and then writing a news story about it I mean, that's how you disseminate this information. I don't expect the general public to really listen to hearings. It's kind of the aftermath and what news reports are written about it.

Again, from my standpoint, we were making news, but, again, I wasn't Fauci. I wasn't Burks. They had a different narrative here. And so I realized I wasn't making a whole lot of headway, and this was kind of out of my control at this point in time. And, you know, quite honestly, I want to make sure the President Trump got reelected. And I didn't want to get too overly critical on his administration, to be quite honest.

Because it was his administration while all this stuff was. Yeah, I mean, I had some real problems with what was happening inside the administration. I mean, again, he was not obviously aware of these things. He could, but he couldn't get it done. His team wasn't serving him well. And they weren't serving the American public well. That was certainly my belief and still my belief. And I think it's being confirmed now.

Talk about him for just a second and a couple of points because just timeline-wise, you're looking at hydroxychloroquine. The world sort of discovers hydroxychloroquine the moment he mentions it in a very strange, came poison. Very strange press conference where he basically says, hey, I'm hearing about this drug, hydroxychloroquine. This has been prescribed for many years for people to combat malaria, which was a big problem, and it's very effective.

It's a strong drug. And like Fauci, like just all that like throws him off the stage, gets to the microphone and says, I don't agree with that at all. We have to do a lot of, you know, randomized control study, something he doesn't care about unless it seems like he's trying to bury something. But the information that you're referring to specifically is anecdotal. It was not done in the controlled clinical trial. So you really can't make any definitive statement about it. And you have to understand the power of Fauci in that moment. By the way, I was in the Senate lunch where Fauci was wrapped around in Trump's neck.

He said, oh, he got a very effective spokesman in bipartisan support, okay? And he was never able to unwrap him. Yeah. But, you know, Fauci says something like that. I mean, the guy controls hundreds of billions of dollars worth of grants. And so anybody that ever wants to get a grant from Fauci and company, they just told the line. So he says hydroxychloroquine's off the board, hydroxychloroquine's off the board. That moment, how long had the conversations from, like, how long had you been aware of hydroxychloroquium before Donald Trump?

I hadn't. Was it all at the same time there? Were you all talking to the same people? I probably heard of that, I think it's a state senator in Michigan that got cured by hydroxychlorke. I think that's what President Trump was referring to. Again, I'm trying to think back to these things and maybe in perfect memory. Yeah.

But again, you know, I always said this in all of my hearings. I was like, why not give it a shot? Right. I mean, I knew hydroxychlorloroquine is what they give senators when you go to Africa to prevent malaria. You know, I knew that I have some family members. Which made it safe. With rheum of drugs. It's right.

So, like, what's the big deal? Yeah. So a lot of people, I knew people that took hydroxychloroquine. Yeah. And I said, well, why not give it a shot? Not a lot of stories of them dying from, you never heard about hydroxychloroquine death. No. You know, so, you know, all of a sudden they came with this QT factor in that type of thing.

So again, they scaremongered on that. They poisoned it. They sabotaged hydrochloroquine. I read Scott Atlas's book, which said a lot of what I already believed to be the case. You know, I've talked to some other inside doctors and things from your opinion. from your perspective, there seemed to be this rift between Donald Trump and Tony Fauci. We would see it on camera. But how was it discussed amongst, you know, your peers around here? Like what's going on? Why is that, you know, why is like the head of this COVID response team under the president

seemed to be, was there an awareness that they seem to be opposed or in conflict? Well, again, I was at the Senate lunch when, you know, this is after a number of press conferences and, you know, Trump obviously wasn't a doctor and, you know, saying things that opened them up to criticism. And a helpful suggestion from the conference, you know, what, got a perfect person that's respected on both sides of the aisle to be your main spokesman here, Anthony Fauci. As I said, I remember the moment when Fauci was wrapped around Trump's neck and he could never unwrap it. Right. So he made that choice early on this.

He's going to be my guy. But I remember being on one of those conference calls. This is when they were discussing shutdowns. And I said, you know, Dr. Fauci, are you considering the human toll and the economic devastation of these shutdowns? Are you considering that at all as you're recommending this? kind of like Francis Collins, just Cavalier Outs, got my department. Right.

But then you're not even considering it? Here's the point. Then somebody from that department has to be a part of this decision making. I mean, why didn't that happen? I mean, this is crazy. That's where you have to say, you know, the buck stops with the president.

But you understand. You know the support that Fauci still has in the media and you understand the power of the media. Yeah. I don't care who you are. President of the United States, U.S. Senator, it's difficult to buck the media. That's why I say I hold them largely responsible for this. If we had an honest media, I don't think this would have happened. I don't think our response to COVID would have been as awful as it was. I agree. What do you think would have happened had Trump fired Fauci? Does he even have the ability? I don't know. Is he legally allowed to fire? Do you know about that? Yeah, I think so somebody that's senior, I think he'd probably be able to fire. Fouchy might be able to sue him, but I mean, you're, I mean, these individuals do. We'll give him a separate package. Serve with the will of the president.

Right. It's hard to speculate, but you just know this firestorm would have been in the press. Yeah. I mean, I understand why I'm sure all of his advisors were saying, you can't touch this guy. I'm sure Fauci viewed himself as untouchable too. Do you think he seems, he strikes me as a somewhat arrogant individual. If you are trying to, you know, get at me as a public health official and a scientist, you're really attacking not only Dr. Anthony Fauci, you're attacking science.

Do you think Trump knows that Fauci was against him? I mean, I don't know. Are we making this all up? Yeah, I would bet that Trump was not a real Fauci fan very early on. Probably regretted he followed that advice probably the minute after he followed it. What happens to Fauci? Think Fauci sticks around for a long longer? Not if we're from Caldman State Control.

He's out of here like a, you know, bad out of hell. Yeah? He's not going to stick around for our oversight. Wow. I'd like him to. Can you call him in once he, if he private, he can still be dragged in, right? We have some reasonably strong subpoena power. We're, we have more investigatory authority than, let's say,

Inspector General does. Okay. Well, I pray I get to see that. So then, Austin. So around this time, you said lockdowns. You didn't want to see the country being locked down. My question is, are we hearing at the same time you're hearing it, or are there conversations going on inside the capital, inside the Senate,

inside the Congress that are like, look, we're starting to look at the possibility we might have to lock this country down. Was that a whisper? Were there meetings on it? Or were you finding out about that approach at the same time of the American public? I would say I would give the Trump administration a great deal of credit. I mean, the entire team, they were holding, you know, many conference calls with members, a bipartisan basis.

Okay, they were all, I mean, the team was, I mean, Trump would be on some of these. So they were keeping us informed. Yeah. Just about every other day, we had another conference call with, you know, whoever. So, again, maybe they were discussing this up front, but generally is always concurrent with what was in the news, what they were saying, those press conferences. Yeah. We weren't hearing a whole lot more.

Oftentimes it's giving people an opportunity to ask agency heads, how can we get PPE for this hospital or whatever. So again, it was a very collaborative time. I mean, there really wasn't much partisanship. People were really trying to help people out and kind of working with this administration. We realized we had a national emergency here. So from that standpoint, again, I don't agree with what they recommended in the end, but the process was very inclusive and is very bipartisan.

I'd call it nonpartisan. It's not like the government's working and then they only leak it out to the public when we're ready to handle it. It's pretty, things happen right up front. It was all happening in real time. Listen, there was a lot we didn't know. Right. That's why I've really not been, and I certainly wasn't critical back then, of people that were in, you know, governors, they were in a really tough spot having to make really difficult decisions with imperfect information.

I'm not going to criticize them for that. Right. It's like this, we were all flying blind and people were trying to. trying to do the best they absolutely could. Now in hindsight, you say, well, that was pretty stupid, okay? But certainly at the time, I was giving people an awful lot of slack. But at what point?

I mean, you have a hearing with Johnny and you start bringing in professionals that are starting to really lay out ways to crunch the data. What is the point at which you felt like is time to stop giving people slack? This information's out there. I'm reading it in sources I can find it. You know, when do we let go of, you know,

So when I start seeing the sabotage of hydroxychloroquine, when I started seeing that, when all of a sudden I can't get a hold of the CEO of Novartis. It's not a question, now can we get enough? Just like, why is this being sabotaged? I mean, I can't explain that. Again, I kept trying, President Trump kept trying. I remember one of those Senate calls where literally Trump's on the phone. I'm saying, you, Mr. President, we've got to break this logjam in hydroxyclorcan.

We have to make it available. You know, the FDA has created this emergency use authorization. it made it way more restrictive. I remember President Trump on the phone with all these senators saying, Mark, take care of Johnson's request. Couldn't do it. Just couldn't get it done. I did hook up with the Dr. Leave Elite,

because what I needed is I needed a group of doctors. We still need doctors. We need a lot more doctors. I understand the fear. I understand why they don't come forward. But we need large numbers of doctors coming forward and say, this isn't right. And we got Dr. Vleet through her,

AAPS was an American Association of Physicians and Surgeons. Yeah. I think we got 13 to 1,700 signatures on a letter that she helped me write to the president about you have got to make hydroxychloroquine available. So that connected me to that group of doctors. That's really, then I started getting in all these email chains. I'm sure you're right. Okay.

So that's the moment where I got connected to. Where are we at now? What time? This is, I wrote that letter probably in April of 2020, okay? When you're on this, I mean, looking back, I mean, You were really, I mean, you're in there, you know, the voice for the people truly on something that we should, those of us that were on the high wire, we're talking about hydroxychloroquine. This is fantastic. We're looking at the studies done by DDA, right?

So we're out there trying to get this push thinking what is going on inside, you know. Again, it's making no, when things don't make sense, I try and make sense of them. Right. So I'm doing those battles, but this is where I get connected in this global network. of what I always say, eminently qualified doctors and medical researchers that had a completely different take on this. I'm sure they're the same names, okay? And you started getting all these articles.

Some of them are actually pretty easy to read and interpret. Some of the stuff was definitely over my head, okay? But I get connected to them. But I also realize at that point in time, just like senators, just like they're like hurting cats. It was not an easy task. So I'm trying to figure out, how do you get a large enough group of doctors to come forward to offer different narrative? After the election, I finally had that group of doctors assembled.

And I remember having a Zoom call with probably about 24 different doctors. And I had to decide who do I want to have as my witnesses? Not a really easy decision to make. Right. Just wasn't. Okay. Fortunately, I chose Dr. Peter McCulloch, you know, Harvey Rish, George. freed. Those are my three witnesses at the first treatment on first hearing on early treatment.

Okay. And of course, the Democrats chose Dr. Ajiz Ja. Tail on the hearing kind of the mic drop moment where I finally, because he's just ripping these guys, you know, and I'm going, well, Dr. Ja, you know, how many COVID patients have you treated? Obviously, I'm not perfect, but I try to use science as well as compassion to guide me. We appreciate that. Have you treated any COVID patients? I have not, sir. Okay. Right.

I thought my wife showed me an article later on. I think it's like January or February. This is after he could finally get a vaccine. He finally left his apartment. He'd been hold up in his apartment the entire time during COVID. Oh, my God. I mean, again, personally, if I'm going to try and seek a second opinion or even first opinion on a medical condition, I'm going to go to a doctor who has the courage to treat patients.

Right. Okay. Not some guy who's hold up in a, but now he's our COVID czar. Right. Unbelievable. He also, by the way, wrote, after that hearing, he's the one that wrote the nasty op-ed that the New York Times headlined the snake oil salesman in the Senate, calling Dr. McCulloch, Harvey Rish, George Freed. Guys were actually out there. Again, people that had the courage and compassion to treat COVID patients, he's calling them snake oil salesman. Wow. Pretty grotesque. So we were widely savage for that hearing.

My ranking member was not cooperative. I can't remember. Was anybody? Is there, I mean, did, did you? Did you wake, I mean, in that process, that hearing, does anyone in this building say, hey, man, good job. I really found that interesting. No, I would go, I would go to Republican Santa lunches ago, guys, I mean, the solution's here. I mean, early treatment. I mean, it's not just one. It's not just hydroxychloricum. There's literally a cornucopia of drugs. And I didn't realize how large a cornucopia that was. But this is a multi-drug protocol. And it's working. I mean, the solution, the end of the pandemic is here. Now, this is before the vaccine has been approved.

crickets. It's still crickets. Why? Why is that the case? I mean, again, we are all sitting here in the public being told governments on overtime here trying to figure out solutions. Because of the human tendency, and this is society-wide, people don't like to admit they're wrong. People in America that got vaxed, they don't want to admit that maybe we did something

that might hurt my long-term health. So that's certainly part of what's happening here. But again, we were savage for it. We were vilified, ridiculed, you know, snake oil salesman in the Senate. Didn't deter me. I came right back. Pierre Corey had his now prepared his manuscript and Ivermectin. This is, again, I think December 8th.

You know, so the first hearing was in November. Month later, I hold it with Pierre Corey. He comes in. It was interesting. You know, they've all been to my office here. And he was just, you know, pandemic's over. we got this i mean i've turned my manuscript over to who it's irrefutable you know you get he really believed you get me you get me in front of the n iH and stuff they're going to see evidence by the way

the evidence was powerful enough to have the NIH go from negative to neutral on ivermectin yeah so it did have an impact just not the pandemic ending impact that uh pierre was hoping for what was interesting about that hearing is this is the second um hearing on early treatment and gary peters was not happy with my ranking member and he just basically accused Pierre Corrie as being a political hack. Last month, this committee held a hearing that was billed as a review of early outpatient treatments for coronavirus. Instead of hearing from expert witnesses about scientific developments in the coronavirus treatments or how we can improve the pandemic response, the committee was used as a platform to attack science and promote discredited treatments.

Pierre Corey is a dyed to bowl Democrat. Right. And he wasn't real happy being treated by a Democrat senator like that. And that's really, it was the fact that I think Gary Peters got under his skin as a New Yorker, that he had that, you know, eight, nine, ten minute opening statement, which, you know, got a million views before it got pulled from the internet. I just want to start out. I didn't think I'd have to say this, but I want to register my offense at the ranking members opening statement. I was discredited as a politician.

I am a physician and a man of science. I have done nothing, nothing but commit myself to scientific truth and the care of patients. And to hear that I'm here because of a political angle, I am not a politician, I'm a physician. I want to start out by saying that I'm not speaking as an individual. I'm speaking on behalf of the organization that I'm a part of. We are a group of some of the most highly published physicians in the world. We have near 2,000 peer-reviewed publications among us, led by Dr. Professor Paul Merrick, who is our intellectual leader.

We came together early on in the pandemic, and all we have sought is to review the world's literature on every facet of this disease, trying to develop effective protocols. In the same time before we get into, you know, the vaccine comes along before that. Let's talk lockdowns for a second. because this boggles my mind. I mean, and I want to say this, I grew up a progressive, liberal, loudmouth, Boulder, Colorado, I'm an environmentalist.

So that's my background. So I don't, like now I say I'm politically marooned. So, but I, when I ask this question, my thinking on, you know, Republican Party, conservative, certainly Tea Party is, you know, business first, man. You know what I mean? Like the right to own a business to go out, the American dream, you know,

that is the idea of a lockdown does not seem like anything it's like the greatest strike against everything that Republican Party would believe in I would think I mean and how did how did they go along with it how does the party literally it was the power of Fauci

now the power that they had no say in the matter or that they just bowed down to anything he had to say I think they almost were forced to I mean, I mean, by public pressure, by the media, the media was so in the tang for Fauci that Trump couldn't contradict him. Even though there was never a pandemic plan that ever talked about shutdowns like that. Right. And they just threw it all out the window. Again, I can't explain it.

It makes no sense to me. Do you think it's, is it because Trump, you're watching Trump get slaughtered on these issues, not wanting to lock down? Is it he's sort of the point guy and everybody else goes, well, if he's going to. going, if the president can't carry this message, I'm certainly not going to be the one. Is that, you know, or... I think it's just... Or is it...

Was there distancing from Trump? Is it, I don't want to be connected to that... No, you know, I think my colleagues look at me as roadkill. Yeah. They've seen what's happened to me. Let's see what happens to Trump. It's not necessarily distancing. It's just like, I don't think I want to do that.

I don't go around. Take another route. I'm not going to step in front of that tire. Right. That's not pretty. No, again, as... You go back to the motivation, people want to get reelected. Being that far on the wrong side of the press is not helpful in terms of getting reelected.

Right. So then, all right, so lockdown happens. I always think, to me, a pivotal moment really is the moment I remember Donald Trump's in the Rose Garden and basically said a lot of things that we knew to be true on the highway at that point. I don't want the cure to be worse than the problem itself. You can destroy a country this way. by closing it down. We're substantially less than 1%.

And when they came to my office, don't forget, they were saying 3%, 4%, 5%, this is a very big difference. No, we have to put our country back to work. I'd love to have it open by Easter. Okay, I would love to have it open by Easter. I will tell you that right now. I would love to have that.

It's such an important day for other reasons, but I'll make it an important day for this too. I would love to have the country opened up and they're just raring to go by Easter. I remember thinking, wow, he just said it all. He's right. Everything we're looking at, this is a death rate below 1%. You know, it is destroying jobs, lives, economy.

I mean, all the work you'd seen of America sort of regaining its balance, I thought, in the world. And now all of a sudden we're collapsing. Kids can't go to school. And then it was like the press. That to me was the moment. I felt like the moment where we kind of lost that, you know, gun slinging rogue, I'll do whatever it takes president. To me, he got so attacked and so ripped apart in that moment that I don't feel like I ever saw the same Donald Trump after that. That it was just like, if I can't beat him, join him.

Then it became about the vaccine. And then it became about, you know, well, there would have been 20 million deaths had I not, you know, closed. the borders down and things, like the whole language you seemed to shift there where he like gave up on trying to open us and said, well, what am I going to do? If I wouldn't have done what I did, we would have had three or four million lives lost. Well, I can, I can, was there a shift like that? Or am I just imagining that? I can relate to him from that standpoint when I wrote the op-ed for USA Today's, are you against

shutdowns? I mean, I was savagely attacks. Well, you want to kill people. No. Right. No, I don't want to kill people. I don't want to. I'm not hard, hard and not happy to see people die.

It's just that this is not the solution. This is, the cure is going to be worse than disease. By the way, it didn't work. No. I mean, that's what, and again, this kind of, I think, feeds into my theory here that nobody wants to admit they're wrong. Nobody. Right.

Because it's obvious that this didn't work. This ought to be big time news going, hey, I'm trying, time on guys, the shutdowns, the masks. The vaccine, not have it worked. Right. I mean, if you believe CDC's figures and don't completely believe them, a million Americans dead, you call that a success? Right.

Six trillion dollars of money printed that we don't have, 9.1% inflation. What we've done to our children? I always say, you know, it's like, I mean, I never thought masks would work. I mean, I think it might be marginally beneficial. But there's one group of Americans we knew they would never work on. It's kids. You ever seen kids wear a mask? And we're still imposing it on people.

We want to reimpose it. Again, it's their way of doubling down on failure, so they never have to admit they were wrong. What I can't believe, in all honesty, is the way Tony Fauci, all the way through it, we have the highest death rates in the world. I was like, and you're in charge of how we're handling this? Like, how is it this guy still has a job when, you know,

you're saying we've been hit harder than doing. We've been hit. We have the best hospital systems in the world. world, we're the best doctors in the world. If we're having higher death rates, then doesn't it come down to the guy that's calling shots here? Yeah, but nobody wants to admit they're wrong and putting Fauci in charge and listening to him. Again, I'm going to keep coming back to that because it's about the only explanation I have in terms of how insane our response has been and continues to be. I mean, it's insane. You take a little of these vaccine mandates? It's the year anniversary of Joe

Biden saying, you take this vaccine, you're not going to get infected. You're okay. You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations. Same day you get sick. Right. I'm the one year anniversary. Hey, folks, guess you heard this morning night tested positives or COVID, but I've been double vaccinated, double boosted. Hello. Yeah. I'm double vax plus double boosted. But I, but to reduce the severity of disease. I'd like to see the data on that, by the way.

Because I had COVID in, I think, end of September, early October 2020, completely asymptomatic. The only reason I knew it is because I get tested all the time because I'm around people. Got a whopping level of antibody, so now I had it. 40 to 5% of Americans were probably worldwide were asymptomatic. That was a whole argument. How do you explain that? There was the whole argument. The entire reason we were walking down is it's the asymptomatic care of those people that aren't having any effects.

They were saying it is 95% of effects. effective at reducing symptoms when they finally even admitted that in the trials. That's not really what they said to the public, but it's what we're reading in the trials. It's like, how do you reduce symptoms below zero? We're talking about the body, your big issue with this is that people are not having symptoms. So they're having less symptoms than the zero symptoms. And, you know, me, I had the same thing. I got COVID last Christmas over break.

And it was, it was like four hours. Like I took a bunch of vitamin C and it went away. I tested. Yep, got it got all the antibodies. So I, you know, I could argue also. So, man, sure glad I didn't get that vaccine because I just, I kicked that thing out right away, really low symptoms.

I mean, everyone can make that argument that does well and those that don't. Let's not hear from it. So what I've always asked people is have an open mind. And please admit there's so much we don't know. Yeah. I mean, there's so much, I don't know, so much you don't know. So would you have a little bit of modesty

in terms of admitting there's a lot that we don't know about this? But every day that goes by, we know more. Yeah. There's so much we don't know about this. So let me, yeah, so I'll complete this story here. So Pierre Corey, that's December. Okay. Then we approve the vaccines.

So I'm aware of the fact that CDC FDA had been touting their VAIR system. You know, I've seen the eight hour, not the whole eight hour, but I've seen the salient parts of that. They had a teleconference and I don't know, it must have been probably September, October, November of, 2020 just talking about how, you know, we've got these systems, you know, they're as best, all these, all these safety surveillance systems. Celebrating theirs. No, oh, yes. We've got this great system.

We're going to be able to handle this emergency use. They'll capture all this. Yeah, they're pushing. They're saying, you know, so if we approve these things, you know, there was actually a comment saying, you know, our safety surveillance system, if you have, if we have people that have, let's say, two days lost work because of an adverse event of the vaccine, I mean, we're going to have a CDC representative on the phone, calling them, checking this thing out. It was total bull-hs. Totally. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, I'm, I start watching the VAS.

Only, I know that because we'd already been through the VAR's stuff. And every time we talk to Fauci, every time you talk to anybody in authority, like, can't trust Vares underreported. It's just a passive reporting system. But, but before the gap in EUA, they were touting it. So this is, that's amazing. I'm saying they were fighting it back in 2017 when I was dealing with other, you know, other vaccine. Well, they, yeah. So they were already lined. because we'd already heard the story that they're already pulling out the stop to get this thing done so they're toning their safety surveillance system so so i start watching them and the deaths start moaning now you know i'd already researched for example the swine flu back in 1976 what a four to 500

cases of geomberi disease yeah and what two or three dozen deaths yeah shut that thing down boom that thing's over you know it's looks too risky and we're getting a few hundred deaths over a thousand, two thousand. Finally, we had a meeting with a bunch of Republican senators and Francis Collins that I got invited to. And of course, I'm the skunk in the room, trust me. Everybody else is there all pat paying themselves on the back, you know, the vaccine and you know, the testing,

we got that out and you know, just what a fabulous job we've done to respond. I'm kind of raised my hand and said, well, Dr. Collins, are you monitoring the Bayer system at all? Now this is after they had shut down, temporarily the J&J vaccine because there were six deaths that they were attributed right to the vaccine of the child age bearing women it's over 3,000 deaths worldwide and Vayers and by my calculations 40% of those are occurring

under zero one or two and you know it goes into the you know song and dance well you know Vayers doesn't doesn't prove causation and so voluntarily remember Say, yeah, but okay, it doesn't prove causation, but again, this is your system. 40% of 3,000 deaths, I think number is 1,130 deaths, are occurring on the day they get vaxed or within two days. Right. Doesn't that concern you? And literally he was answering me as, Senator, people die.

Wow. He was so arrogant on the phone. He's just so arrogant. And so I'm kind of going in that meeting with senators and this is the end of April of 2021 now. and kind of loaded for bear. And again, the same level of arrogance. And I just couldn't believe, you know, I thought I pretty well, I've got to get his attention of this.

I mean, 3,000 deaths. I mean, I knew the swine flu stats. I mean, what do you guys doing about this? That's when I realized, nothing. They were in a complete state of denial. But because I'd made that noise, because I was talking about veers on media hits, and I was getting vilified for it.

I was getting censored. I have my, I've got my famous little chart that I've developed that compares Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, flu vaccine, which you know, for your viewers, ivermectin over like 26 years has on average 11 deaths per year. Hydroxychloroquine somewhere

around 75 to 78. The normal flu vaccine is also under 80. We're up to 29,000 or more deaths on COVID. It's like, right. And they, and the FD is trying to scare you about

hydroxychloricloricine and Ivermectin. Come on you all. you're not a cow. These are the drugs. They're scare mongering the American public over. So again, I've got that information. I'm expecting him to say something. But because I'm putting that out there,

I'm putting it on Twitter and it's getting censored or whatever, I get a call from a former Green Bay Packer, Ken Ruckers. He was a Hall of Fame lineman. And his wife, Cheryl, was vaccine injured. And they were connected to a group about 2,000 people on Facebook of people of vaccine injured. And he said, you know, I'm seeing what you're doing. I'm just calling to see if I can get help somewhere.

I mean, these people, all they want is to be seen, heard, and believed. That's all, because they can't get treatment. Nobody's acknowledging what they're suffering from. And some of them are suffering with these internal vibrations so severe. They're committing suicide. I mean, can you help us out in some way, shape, for him? I said, well, Ken, you know, again, I don't have much power, but, you know, because I'm a U.S. senator, I can garner.

attention. I mean, I can make myself a target. If I hold an event in Wisconsin, particularly if you come out, we can probably get some TV cameras there and at least they can tell their story. So, yeah, I hope Springs Eternal. We held this event in June in Milwaukee. And we probably had, I don't know, at least a dozen, maybe more TV cameras show up. And we had Bree Dresson. We had Maddie DeGerry and Stephanie. We had Cher, we had a couple other individuals. You know, two of these, by the way, Maddie was in the Pfizer trial for children. Right. Bree Dresson was in Astrofizeneca. Has to lay down most of the time during the, because she gets still severe headaches.

So we had the event and the five individuals told their stories. Yeah, I was hoping, you know, maybe some members of the media would show some measure of human compassion. Yeah. And interview these people and, you know, and put that on the news. Some people would be aware of the fact that, I mean, it's not 100% safe. I mean, there are people being injured by it. What I want to ask, Maddie volunteered for the Pfizer trial. Why aren't the research in order to figure out why this happened so other people don't have to go through this?

We have been robbed of our cognitive abilities, our physical abilities. We cannot work. We cannot care for our families or our children or ourselves. We are struggling to make it through each day, abandoned by our health care teams. We are the collateral damage of the pandemic. We've been at battle against the pandemic, and there's been damaged. Seems like a, and that's why I reached out of Senator Johnson, seems reasonable, reasonable to say. Let's help these people. Now, the news media started asking Ken Rutgers, well, this is just about winning a lawsuit.

I'm going to make some money off a lawsuit. And, of course, then they start ripping into me in Wisconsin, rather than the news media talking about the vaccine injured, they about a dozen Wisconsin newspapers had my picture above the fold with the headline so fundamentally dangerous. So that's, you know, no good deed goes on punch. So again, I don't back down. I guess my question is this, you know, obviously you heard some of these story, Bree's story and Maddie's prior to bringing them on this panel. But as you sat there and listened to it, as you listened to it, how did that affect you? And then, yeah, I mean, how did it just affect this person?

First of all, first of all, I had no doubt that they were, they were vaccine injured. I just had no doubt. I mean, I was convinced. Again, I've got a very open mind about these things. Okay, wasn't anti-vax, got all these vaccines, that kind of stuff. But then he started, again, I'm actually, I react to evidence. So, hmm, maybe sometimes go, well, I wish I would have known that sooner. You know, why didn't you check into that sooner?

So, no, I just had nothing but sympathy and comparison. for those folks and I was honestly I was proud that I at least gave him a platform to tell their story and I was appalled by the treatment of the media yeah so yeah so I mean it's you know right now it's it is is definitely me against the media yeah it's all of us against the media it's it's all of us against the COVID cartel you know the administration the health agencies big pharma the mainstream legacy media and big tech social media giants I mean that is the COVID cartel they are

They are the ones I keep telling people that they can't afford to admit they're wrong at this point. I mean, the body count is so high. I agree. They can't afford to be proven wrong, but the problem is they've got the power to make it almost impossible to prove them wrong. I mean, just walking over here, I was thinking of the phrase, you know, it's the victors that write the history. Right. And they intend to be the victors. Yeah, well, so do I.

So we. Well, I think you and I both, okay? Yeah. I mean, I know that. But you know better than anybody what we're up against. I do. But you did something that was, I think, a game changer, a game changer, at least for those people that had been focused on vaccine injury for not just two years or five years, some

10 years, 20 years back. You put together world-renowned doctors. I was at that event. We had a rally here in D.C. And then it was the second opinion hearing that you had. And I remember I sat there and thought, this is what, you know, the work that I've done for the last four or five years, this is what everyone I've met has dreamed would finally happen.

Real doctors, all believing in the medical system, none of them anti-vaccine, stepping up, talking about natural immunity, talking about the importance of it, talking about the dangers they're seeing with these vaccines. how poorly had been made, how poorly had been tested. I mean, it, you know, I think for all of us that, you know, have been at this for some time, we thought this has got to be it.

I mean, this is huge now. You know, I came back after the vilification. I had an event here in D.C. would set up the second opinion. Okay. But we had, with three again, some of the vaccine units that we had in Milwaukee, but we had more. Okay.

And we had medical experts, you know, people like Peter Doshi. So that was kind of, that was sort of the bridge. to the Janney 24th event, we had the room for five hours. I didn't know. It would use up, five hours pretty good length of time. Just like my first hearing where I had a couple dozen doctors on, I'm trying to figure, I mean, who do I pick? It's a hard decision.

There's some really good people on that. I'd do the same thing here, but worse, I had to organize it because, I mean, they're all, they've all got their ideas. I mean, even naming it. I mean, I'm the ones, no, we're going to, call this COVID-19 a second opinion. The way we're going to organize this is we're going to go back to Dr. McCulloch's four pillars. Who's going to speak to stop, you know, preventing the spread or limiting the spread? Who's going to do early treatment? Who's going to be

doing hospital treatment? Then who's going to do vaccines? My big regret of that is we just never had the, we barely scratched the surface. I had one page, you know, single space, I had questions I want to get to, okay, under the four categories. barely scratched the surface, and we just never got into describing vaccines. So right now what I'm trying to develop and working with people like Dr. Malone and others, is another event that is going to focus on the vaccines. Yeah, I appreciate the fact that, you know, literally millions of people did watch that five-hour event. We cadets it down to 38 minutes.

I think I've got to say this too. Paul Merrick was, you know, what a... I want to bring that up too. So, yeah, tell me about that. When he's, you know, he kind of had hospital care. Okay, because, again, Emily qualified critical care. I mean, he's the guy. Leading most published ICU doctor in the history of the planet Earth.

And so he's describing how in this hospital, his death rate. Again, now he's treating COVID patients in critical care. I mean, not early the way they should be treated is, you know, because people can't get early treatment. So now he's taking care of him. and his death rate is half of what his colleagues are. So you hear that, go, they probably pinned a medal on him and found out what he was doing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

What they did is they took away his medications. They didn't allow him to use ivermectin. They even took away vitamin C. And so he, in his testimony, it's just so powerful. He said, so they took away all my tools, but they left me with my seven patients. They'd tied my hand, so all I could do. do is sit by and watch my patients die. You know, I was there, I was there in person at that. To me, it's actually more impactful to see the video of it. As a clinician for the first time

in my entire career, I could not be a doctor. I could not treat patients the way I had to be to treat patients. I had seven COVID patients, including a 31-year-old woman. I was not allowed to treat these people. I had to stand by idly. I had to stand by idly watching these people die. To me, that is just, it just epitomizes what our response to COVID was. Fauci's of the world, the Collins of the world, the Birx, the health agencies, they took away the tools of doctors. Remember, it was doctors who had practiced medicine, saved my daughter's life. It's the reason I got into this awful business. They took away the tools of the doctors who had the courage and compassion to actually treat COVID patients. And we've just sat back and

watch what, how many hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens die? I believe that that constitutes a crime against humanity. Certainly, in my mind, is no different than Tuskegee. I mean, Tuskegee experiment. You have these African Americans with syplis. You have penicillin. You know it works. Instead, you stand by, deny that it exists and just watch these people die.

That's what are the, this is shocking. The heads of our government health departments did that to their own. own people. They just turned a blind's eye toward it. One of the reasons I'm so convinced for early treatment is I know these doctors that have the courage and compassion to treat. So I have a lot of people I've referred them. And then I talk to them. People just can't breathe and literally within hours they can. Right. Okay. Way too many people to say it's just placebo effect. Okay. So again, I'm thoroughly convinced this multi-drug protocol works. I got to quick tell you a story how absurd this has gone, though.

at the very start of Omicron. You know, I do telephone town halls. We'd call out to 80,000 Wisconsin. Nice to crack. And, you know, somewhere five, 10, 15,000 people are on the call. So I'm just trying to warn people. Listen, it's a deadly disease. Don't ever take anything I've said.

Like, I don't, this is a deadly disease, okay? Take it seriously. And, you know, whether you're vaxed or unvaxed, I mean, there are things you can do to protect yourself. I mean, I was talking about you like he's the Grinch. You know, it takes, you know, Saul's World Hunger, tells no one. Takes vitamin D tells no one. Right.

Okay. So I'm saying, listen, as I'm talking to these doctors, they seem to think that people are getting really sick with COVID, often are vitamin D deficient. So you can supplement yourself, there's vitamin C. You gargle. Right. You can reduce the viral load. So, yeah, and I've got Democrat trolls on my telephone town hall.

Within 10 minutes, my comms team were being called by national news saying, is it true that Senator said that Listerine will replace the vaccine. They went so far as to go knocking on the governor of New Hampshire's door. What do you think about this wacky Republican senator that's saying that Listerine replaced the vaccine? Of course, I'd never said that. Right.

I put up with a week of that kind of ridicule and vilification for just what, again, what's the worst thing can happen? Fresher breath? I was quoting a study on this. Okay? But that's the length they would go to to try and destroy anybody. Yeah. What does it make you think in the media? How big a part or how bad, you know, we went through a presidency with Donald Trump. We're, you know, just fake news, really called out the media. When we think of problems in this country, and I think we're really struggling right now. We talk beforehand. We probably do a whole other conversation about how devastated this nation is in just a few short years, you know, empty shelves, gas prices of the roof, inflation, you know. know, it's just, it's bad, you know.

It's not the country I remember as if you're certainly not the one I grew up in. I hold the media largely responsible. Yeah. I first hold the radical leftists who took over our university systems in the 60s responsible. I mean, they're the ones that have been cranking out teachers that indoctrinated our youth. Lawyers have become activist, judges, but then journalists that aren't journalists or advocates. They're also radical leftists. Again, these people, these major networks, they don't do interviews with me.

They argue with me. They're not journalists or advocates. Right. And so that's why I say they're part of the COVID cartel. And they have every bit as vested interest in not being proven wrong now. Because, again, I believe these people do have blood on their hands. Okay. Hundreds of thousands of people are dead in America that didn't have to die.

I am 100% thoroughly convinced to that. Yeah. Had people had, if the medical establishment had an open mind toward early treatment and listen to people like Corey and McCulloch. And just tried it. Give their patients who are begging them. I mean, begging them.

Right. Begging them. Okay, just wouldn't do it. I just can't explain it. It is, it makes me profoundly sad. I want to talk about another colleague out there that you have. I mean, so we've covered a lot of what, what you've been doing there.

From our perspective, you know, you've been, the biggest voice, you know, for the vaccine injured, for the discussion about VERS, what's going on to the deaths that are going on, the early treatments. I mean, you've covered that whole gamut. But there's also this conversation of where this virus came from. And Rand Paul really seems to have sort of carried that torch, the gain of function investigations really grilling into Fauci. First of all, are you with him on that? I mean, is that something that sort of? The only reason I'm not grilling Fauci is he never comes before my committees. If he came for my committees, I would be asking him some tough questions because I've written him.

You know, Del, I'm up to 43 oversight letters on this. Wow. Okay. Yeah. So, no, I'm one, we need to find out. The problem is we pretty well sabotage our ability to get in there early when there might be evidence. So, I mean, the Chinese had a long time to cover things up. To me, I've just always assumed it's been a lab leak.

very early on I was talking to computational biologist talking about the fear on cleavage site and all that kind of stuff and you know they were absolutely certain it just wouldn't occur in nature and whatever it's important to know but from my standpoint I'm more focused on what we can do to prevent harm so I mean every step of the way if you take a look at what I've done I've advocated for no shutdowns because I want to prevent harm I've advocated for early treatment because we may never have a vaccine then we got it then I'm looking at a vaccine It's like, well, you know, use a little caution here. Let's not be forcing this on pregnant women, you know. And you see more vaccine harm. You go, well, let's not force it on kids. Well, they agreed to kids. Well, let's at least not do toddlers. And they approve it for toddlers. But the good news, I think this is where, you know, people like you and our group can take a fair amount of credit. We're vilified for it, but I'm happy to take credit for the fact that a very small percentage of American parents are having their toddlers get vaccinated. You know, so also we're seeing a huge breakaway confidence in the vaccine program in general because of it. And this is something I warned the CDC about very early on. Please do the CDC a favor. Do this nation a favor and lead by erring on the side of caution for the citizens and not the pharmaceutical industry. And poll Johnson and Johnson immediately. Or we could seriously see the destruction of competence in all.

all vaccine programs and science as we know it. Too late. It's too late. I think, sorry. In my mind, it's destroyed. We need to rebuild these agents. We need an agency like that.

I agree. We need somebody to overlook the safety of the American public, but they're not the agency to do it. They've shown themselves corrupt, captured by big pharma. Are these pharma just a puppeteer? I mean, what we need to do. on a macro basis

because right now these doctors that I revere are being crushed at the bottom of the treatment pyramid. They need to be at the top of it. We need to reestablish doctors so they can practice medicine, utilize their skill,

and put these agencies back on their lane. CDC is all about gathering information and disseminating accurate information, not doctoring it, but they've willfully not gathered information because they didn't want to know. FDA is about safety and protecting

and probably being overcautious. The reason I passed a right to try bills, I want the FDA to be overcautious but I want patients to have the freedom to say okay, I'm dying here anyway. I understand you haven't done full approval

but let me have access to it. And don't penalize the drug manufacturers if that person dies because they're going to die anyway, okay? So I think there's some common sense things to do, but, you know, let me look right in the camera and make my appeal to doctors. Because if you're a doctor and you are awakened to what's happened, if you know that it's wrong and it's not right, don't sit by the sidelines anymore.

Don't let just Peter McCulloch and Dr. Malone and Pierre Corey and all these courageous doctors who step forward to one. in the public, they need help. We literally need thousands of doctors who are aware of the problem to join together. There is safety in numbers and be honest and truthful with the American public. I'm begging doctors, I'm begging nurses to come forward, join together as one massive group and put an end of this insanity and help restore yourselves to the position that, I think you all thought you'd be in going through medical school and taking that Hippocratic oath, being loyal first to your patients and being the one to call the shots

when it comes to how you care for your patients. I'm just I'm begging doctors. You have to step up the plate. Are you feeling any shift whether it's in your constituents back in Wisconsin people walk down the street or maybe even some of your colleagues here? Is Is anyone coming to you and saying, you know, you called that out and you said, you know, you had issues with the vaccine and it's affecting this and here we are? I wish I could say yes other than the people that already had their eyes opened. I mean, listen, people are opening up their eyes. Yeah. But, I mean, the powers to be, they're certainly not admitting it.

I was just going to start at lunch and they were, they were, you know, saying the praise about the vaccines again saying it saved 20 million lives. There's a study out there that the vaccine saved 20 million lives. How convenient. I love to see that study. So, no, they will continue. People voted for this stuff. We spent billions on it. They were recommending it, whether it's doctors, whether it's members of Congress.

They don't want to admit to something they recommended their constituents or their patients might harm them or kill them. So the state of denial is going to be almost impossible to break. Okay, if you've been involved in this and if you've been pushing this, you are not going to want to see evidence. You're not going to want to admit it. So no, we've got unbelievable resistance to gain the truth out there to awakening more people. You know, when you're speaking to your colleagues and it sounds like they just have no interest,

is it really because they're not interested or is it that, I mean, one of the things that I've said as I've traveled the country before COVID, I said, Farmer is the most powerful lobby in Washington. It's outspending oil and gas two to one. And I've been saying to audiences for years. The pharmaceutical industry is now the most powerful lobby in Washington outspending oil and gas two to one. What do you think farm is buying with that? You know, if oil and gas has got us fighting wars in the Middle East, Farm is spending twice that for your senators, for your congressman, for your president,

that money is having an effect. Is money? Is this pharma lobby? Is this why we can't seem to penetrate? or get our representatives to listen to us or read a VERS report or understand what's going on? First of all, I don't think it's donations. I mean, there's limits to what any company can give you. And, I mean, U.S. Senate rates down is costing tens of millions of dollars. So it's not even, you know, it's not even a blip on the radar in terms of, you know,

what you need to fund a campaign. I think in terms of what big farm has done is they've captured the agencies. And that's a real power. And it's, I think, I haven't done a study, I'd like to look at this, but it'd be real interesting to see, you know, the exchange of personnel over time. Yeah. You know, I mean, I won't name names, but, I mean, let's face it, there are people that have been FDA commissioners. I mean, what Godlieb just did? I mean, there is.

I'll name the name. I mean, straight out of government, straight back into a multimillion dollar property. And that, I mean, that's at the top level. What I think is happening at the lower level? Right. Back and forth, okay? Yeah. So I just think it's just very, very smart.

Regulatory capture. Probably smart investments, regulatory capture, but also coming in and educating, providing your viewpoint to staff and to members, that kind of thing. And, you know, listen, when I first started running in 2010, I said, you know, to me it's absurd to be vilifying like big oil and big farm. I said, what am I the only guy that likes to see gas stations and, you know, be able to fill, my car at a whim or am I the only guy that wants a life-saving new drug so again I don't harbor ill will toward big business I think they have to make money drug companies have to so they can

invest but but my eyes have certainly been open in terms of the the capture of the agencies and the corruption of that the corruption of all the grant money and a guy like fouchi to all these institutions you know the medical journal so I mean I mean I just think there is overall corruption our federal health agencies, the medical establishment, the medical journals, science. You know, not just as it relates to medical science, but government funding corrupts these things. Wow. So there's power over these institutions than it is finance. That's what I think it is. Interesting. Not to make this a party issue, but under the current circumstance, you know,

you have Democrats, House and Senate, you know, if there was a shift, you know, it seems to me, I don't even care what, frankly, I don't care what party, but whatever party is not pushing this baloney right now, it seems to me the investigations of Fauci, the investigation of Deborah Brooks based on everything she's already admitting in her book. I lied to the president. I lied to the people. We made up social distancing ideas. We told everybody the vaccine would work and I think was very well grilled by some of your colleagues saying, so you, it's a wishful thinking, hopeful thing. So here you are saying you want to stop misinformation. You're the greatest. purveyors of misinformation. Is there any sense in the Republican Party right now coming into an election coming up here that there may be a real, you know, power to running on the fact that we're going to invest we're going to investigate Fauci, we're going to look into gain of function, we're going to look into this vaccine that never delivered what you were promised. Is there any sense that there's some power there?

I'll ask you, do you hear candidates talking about this? Not as much as I'd like. No. Listen, there's some individuals. I have no doubt that, you know, Rand will come and he'll focus on gain a function and the origin of COVID. I think people like Jim Jordan,

there are a couple of House members will do this. Yeah. Yeah, I expect resistance. I'll just be honest with you. You know, if I do survive and we take over the majority, I'd be the chairman of the permanent subcommittee investigations. I've laid my foundation. We just had a hearing on Bureau of Prisons.

I took the opportunity to talk about the importance of government oversight. legislative oversight and I asked whistleblowers come forward. Yeah. Okay. But again, 43 oversight letters. I've laid the foundation for the investigations I'm going to want to do on this subject, but is it going to be popular? No, because again, people don't want to be proven wrong. I mean, you know, the people at lunch who were saying, hey, the vaccines save 20 million people. You think, again, I've shown them the there's data. I've given them the charts. It's to crickets. Well, okay. That's that, I mean,

That's what we're up against. But yet, here you are, you know, in politics longer than your wife wanted you to be. I'm sure that's had its own conversations. We won't get into that. She knows. She knows why I'm doing it. But you must have. She's fully supportive.

You must have something inside of you that believes there's a chance. There's something that can move here. I'll never give up hope. Yeah. I'll never give up hope. So what is the way for? Is it more of the people? It's truth. I mean, the truth is a way. It just is. I mean, it's the truth. It's the truth. It has its own power. I have to believe it has its own power. I do try and counsel the people that are in this struggle with me. Only talk about what you know.

You know, try not to marginalize yourself. I try not to use, you know, certain terms because I think it's important that those of us who are really fighting this battle, don't make bigger targets of ourselves than we already are, and we're big targets. I mean, they want to destroy us. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind they want to destroy us. I have personal experience in terms of how they go about doing it. They're very good at it. Well, I think I just want to say this, because first of all, it is an absolute honor to get to sit here with you in person.

As a journalist, and that's the only reason I'm in this, because I felt like my job was simply to ask questions and to try and uncover the truth where I could find it. And we felt for the beginning of this, just what is happening inside the Capitol, what's happening inside our government, and what is really still is the greatest nation in the world and the greatest experiment that's ever taken place

under a complete seizure right now. I mean, it's just, it's so, scary to see what's going on in this country when we think about what we believed about this country as I grew up and read my history books. But I want to say that knowing you're in here and Rand Paul and, you know, a few other voices in here gives me hope. And I want to say this, that, you know, I don't have to run for election, but I get to watch the ratings. I get to see, you know, the amount of people that are taking this information. We get to see what happens when we put your videos out there and your hearings out there. We're watching.

the millions of people, which when this began was thousands, then tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands, then millions. I've never been under some, you know, belief that a politician can change the world. We know how messed up the system is, but I believe that the pitchforks and the, you know, the torches are outside the gates of this government right now, and it's a growing cacophony of people that just want the truth. And so I can say this, that what you have to look at is not only do we only have about 2, 2.5% of the infants that have been vaccinated, I think the biggest number that we have to look at and, you know, how much value has the work you've done had is the fact that I think still only 30% of the people that are, you know, up for the booster shot

have gotten in. CDC is recommending it. That means to me 70% of those who believed in this product that don't want to hear the things that we've got to say, well, they know something. And they're going against now the CDC's recommendation. We have a growing body of people that have reached a place, and I think it's the majority now. Now, whether it's a voting majority or it's able to make change, I think that politicians that don't recognize what you've recognized about the truth, I think they're going to be shocked to see what happens over the next couple of years. And if you keep doing what you're doing, I believe we can bring the people.

to change this country. Well, listen, you're a hero to me. What you've done, you provided people the truth and you've been careful and people you've had. I hesitate to paraphrase a wonderful quote, but just got this from the doctor groups.

It's Margaret Mead. Had a pretty good quote, something to the effect of never doubt that a few people can save the world, because in reality, that's all that's ever saved it. So again, it is, America is something rare and precious. Our founders never could have envisioned a beast this large. The whole point of this thing, I've got the Tenth Amendment up on my wall here. It's, you know, government should be close to the governor, not this faraway place in Washington, D.C.

So we're seeing, you know, we are seeing the impact of an audit control government that takes on more and more power. And of course, as government grows, our freedoms necessarily receive, and that's what we're witnessing here. Yes. And what's unfortunate, it was too many of our fellow citizens have willingly, over the decades, given up their freedom for a false sense security. And I don't think there's ever been a greater example of that is during the pandemic. You just have to believe that the truth will have an impact, and we'll just keep doing everything we can and get it out there. Yes, we will.

Thank you. Thank you for all you've done. You are a hero. You know, we need more like you in this crazy town here in Washington, D.C., but it's an honor. That was a real pleasure. My honor, too. All right.