The Highwire with Del Bigtree - SHATTERING THE VACCINE PARADIGM WITH DR. SUZANNE HUMPHRIES

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

Internist & Board-Certified Nephrologist, Suzanne Humphries, MD, shares details on the 10th Anniversary Edition of the groundbreaking book she Co-Authored, Dissolving Illusions, and how the vaccine safety space has changed in a post-COVID world where doctors are speaking out in droves over controversial topic of vaccine injury.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

One of the biggest heroes that I got to meet very early on, right when I had made the film vaxed, was Dr. Suzanne Humphreys, a nephrologist, who was speaking out with sort of almost, I mean, sort of at the same time, she was a quiet, beautiful, wonderful doctor, but just had the voice of a lion when it came to what she had discovered, and probably one of the most important books ever written about vaccination. When you hear somebody say, well, what about the polio? vaccine. Well, what about the smallpox vaccine? That saved us. Are you saying that that was bad, too? Well, you should read dissolving illusions. And if you had, you would realize that one of the greatest heroes in history, as we celebrate great women in history, especially in the area of medical health and freedom, it's Suzanne Humphreys. And here is what she is like. Dr. Suzanne Humphreys. Dr. Suzanne Humphreys. Humphreys is a highly educated specialist in internal medicine and nephrology. I don't have a horse in this race. I don't have a vaccine injured child. What I did is I saw

problems in my own patients. Everything changed for me in 2009 when I started noticing that vaccines given to patients on hospital admission were causing problems on top of the acute illness. I used to berate my friends into vaccinating. I was that doctor. He used to guilt my patients into vaccines. I realized that I was miseducated. and I realized there was a huge problem going on around me in the hospital. I kept hearing these doctors say to me, no, it's not the vaccine. It can't be the vaccine. Vaccines are safe and effective and they're necessary,

and you can give them to everybody. The only difference between them and me is that I went and looked for myself, and I found answers that turned my world upside down. When I see a problem, I grab it by the horns and I deal with it. So it's really been my purpose. my priority to read and read and read and understand as much of the science and the medical literature

as possible. I have taken the past eight years of my life to intensively study the history of vaccination, immunology, as well as the components of childhood vaccines and their effects upon the body. This is such an important issue for me that I've given up everything. The more science I know, the more indignant and upset I get, the science shows major problems with the theory of vaccination and with the practice of vaccination. Having studied vaccination longer than I've studied anything else in my life,

I can say that human beings have actually created a lot of their own problems. After a lot of research, she wrote a book called Dissolving Illusions, Decease, Vaccines and the Forgotten History. Smallpox could not have possibly been eradicated by a vaccine because only 5 to 10% of the entire world was ever vaccinated. It was sanitation. So we have more to thank our plumbers for and our trash collectors than we do the medical system or vaccination. Never has there been a safe vaccine.

Not even one of them, let alone numerous vaccines in the childhood vaccination program given earlier and earlier and more and more. The diseases are often said, oh, that would have happened anyway. But parents who watch this happen time and again know otherwise. It's a systemic problem. Medical doctors are not taught within vaccines. They are given the vaccine schedule, told they are safe and effective and save lives, as you heard over and over and over again. I don't even believe a little bit in vaccines.

There's no possible way that injecting animal matter, live viruses, and toxins, as well as chemicals formaldehyde aluminum, actually promotes health. I believe that they could do more harm to me that I may never be able to make up for. There are too many vaccines too early. There's no end in sight to how many vaccines people are going to be. be recommended to have. We can't just keep religiously repeating vaccines are safe, effective, and necessary while people are getting very sick and not getting compensated for the lives that are lost.

Yeah, it's just my honor and ultimate pleasure to be joined now by Dr. Suzanne Humphreys. Suzanne, I just saw that video this morning, and I'd forgotten just how strong and assertive your voice was as we were sort of traveling the country and involved with speaking engagements together. There's been a lot of pussyfooting around. Some people are trying to use like softer language. But boy, there's just no question. And since we put that together, I mean, let me just make sure I know we're talking about the 10th anniversary release of dissolving illusions.

Does that still represent your perspective? Because we haven't really talked. I want to make sure that maybe you haven't softened on this topic before we get going. Yeah, no, it's funny because I just watched this whole COVID thing unfold, just like you did. I'm sure you had the same feeling. It's like you weren't surprised about anything, were you? No, no, not at all. In fact, we were credited with almost being psychic as though somehow we predicted where everything was going, but it was just obvious how the game was played.

So, you know, it was sort of like it was like getting a farmer's almanac from the future. You know, we, you know, we were able to make some really safe bets and our audience exploded because of it. Yeah, right. I know. I mean, I remember when I was waking up in the hospital and I thought, all this is really bad. And then we saw Gardasil happen and we thought it couldn't get any worse than that. And now here we are, you know, with COVID. That's like, you know, that vaccine is so much worse than even the Gardasil vaccine.

So what's next? Yeah. No, we're going definitely in the wrong direction. So dissolving illusions, I mean, for people that haven't read it, I mean, that is the most, you know, I don't recommend another book more because the big question we always get from people that are entering into this conversation. And there's a lot of them right now. Millions of people around the world because of COVID now recognize, okay, I know that vaccine was a sham. I watched them lie to me. I watched them rush the trials.

It wasn't properly tested. Now I'm questioning what about all of those other vaccines, but the question they always ask is what about polio, what about smallpox? And that's what makes your book so amazing is all of the evidence you have that there was a pushback even back then. People were anti-vacs then saying, why are we not talking about all the people getting polio, as we just covered earlier, the sock bag, like getting polio from the vaccine itself, having, you know, cancers and things like that, smallpox similarly. So what is it we can expect from the 10th anniversary edition? What is, what is new about the book that we've been looking at for now 10 years? Well, there are 200 extra pages. So we were debating whether to write a second book or whether to add to the dissolving illusions book. And we chose to add to the dissolving illusions book. So there's,

You know, in the 10 years since the first publication in 2013, you know, I've learned a lot more, and Roman has learned a lot more, and there's history. So we added a lot of that. There's a lot of additions into smallpox. There's actually more addition into polio. And there's a chapter now on tuberculosis, which we didn't have in the first book. Wow, interesting. It looks like you've got sort of three new books.

coming our way, there's the 10th anniversary edition, and then there's the 10th anniversary limited edition. What's the difference between those two? So the limited edition has, it's all color, and it has lots of folks from our travels over the 10 years, Romans and mine. I think Catherine and Patrick are actually in there. And so it's just a little more of a special book, and it has our signatures on it. All right. Excellent. Then there's one accompanying book, that you have, which is the third book that's available. This is the companion and reference. Why is that necessary? What is the companion and reference book about? Well, so there was a lot that we couldn't put it into dissolving illusions. I mean, we had piles and mountains of information. So what

the companion book really is, I'd say there's probably over two or three hundred doctors quotes from the smallpox era and the toxoid vaccine production era that sound just like the doctors of today. They're just basically crying out in desperation, regretting the day that they ever gave a vaccine and have a lot to say about what was going on around them. So it's pretty profound when you see the boots on the ground from back then, pretty much saying the same thing that we're saying today. So chapters of different books that are difficult to find. We put those all together.

So it's another 600-page book there. It's fully referenced. And so it's more of a reference and companion to dissolving illusions. All right. You keep referencing Roman, who I know as your co-author. Tell me a little bit about him and what your process has been together and writing the original book and then now this 10th anniversary edition. Okay. So Roman is, his specialty is computer science.

So he has a real mind for graphs and charts and numbers. And he also loves history. So we were basically the perfect match for writing this book because I have the medical background. I've got a physics background, but I can't do what he does. So he did an enormous amount of research, and he basically gathered these vital statistics in world that even people who hate our guts don't argue with.

The numbers are the numbers. And he drew graphs. And then he drew the arrows in where the vaccines or the antibiotics or the toxoids came in and noted, yeah, there's one right there, that, you know, it's the same story again and again and again. The same story repeated for just about every disease is that the death rate was down by over sometimes 99% before either the antibiotic or the vaccine was introduced. And so that kind of threw his world upside down. So he started researching history. And at that time, he was probably neat.

deep into doing what he was doing and then he found me after I was on a talk show back in 2012 and I would write a book with them and at first I was only going to write the folio chapter and then my hands out of the rest of it so it became a dual effort yeah I mean Roman has put in seriously amazing amounts of work he developed the website he does he does all the talking with printers and just one of the nicest hardest working people you'll ever know One of the stories that I've been following on this polio is the fact that we now are seeing polio outbreaks around the world. You know, we're starting to see in the Middle East, third world where they're using vaccination that it appears as vaccine-strain polio is starting to spread.

I also see stories of their finding polio in the sewage system in New York City. And, you know, I know I'm surprised at you with this question. And so if it's not something you've really looked at, but, you know, it just seems to me that they'll want to say that we eradicated polio. And one of the things I say is, well, that story isn't over yet. We don't know where polio is at. We're seeing it start to move. And if in the end, in a few years, we're all battling polio again and maybe a vaccine strain

form, certainly history will tell a different story. Have you been watching any of that issue? I mean, I know the CDC's very concerned, but they're not open with the problem. public about it right so this this again is is kind of an old story that just keeps resurfacing that they keep looking in the sewage virus and and if you look you will find it so so again what we always have to come back to the question what is polio yes so polio never went away yeah polio never left us polio mylitis is the description of the physical condition which includes

paralysis of one or more muscle groups that lasts for, you know, it used to be 24 hours before the vaccine, and then they extended it to 60 days so they could wipe out 90% of the diagnoses after the vaccine. But the fact of the matter is that it's usually damaged the posterior horn and spinal cord, and it never went away. It was renamed. It was recategorized. And as the doctor experts in the 1950s, but adamantly stated that we would have lost 90% of our polio diagnoses simply by the doctor. diagnostic criteria changes that occurred. So let's just talk about paralysis. So if we're looking at paralysis, you know, one of my heroes is Dr. Jacob Pooleel

who did a study that we put in dissolving illusions where he looked at the circulation, sorry, the pulse polio rounds where they basically force oral polio vaccines on children, sometimes up to 30 times, and the corresponding paralysis rate. Now you would think that paralysis would go down with these wonderful campaigns, these wonderful vaccines. But in fact, what he saw was the paralysis rate rose. And now since

dissolving illusions was published, he's done some more research because of his outcry. They've diminished, not gotten rid of the pulse polio, but they decreased it significantly. And he has a new paper, guess what? Paralysis has gone down in conjunction with that. Wow. So, yeah. I mean, that's some of the best evidence, you know, that I've discovered, in science is if you increase something, it gets worse, then you decrease it. We see the problem decrease. It's a pretty strong, you know, red flag at the very least, but it's really strong evidence that this thing is causing the problem we're looking at.

Just watching the varying degrees. What else, you know, what else do you think? What is the most compelling argument? If you get stuck with someone in an elevator and they say, well, what about the polio vaccine, what's the elevator pitch? What is the part of it we should all be focused on as a part of the conversation? I think what we should be focused on are the facts and the data rather than the stories that we hear. My grandmother had polio, blah, blah, blah.

Well, you know what? Your grandmother might have got it from somebody who was vaccinated who was shedding a vaccine strain. That's one thing. Your grandmother may not have even had a polio virus. She could have had other things that went on around the same time that could have made any viral infection more invasive. So these n equals one, you know, it's good, you know, that's how we all start thinking as we see something happen, we see one case and we think further on it. But we have to keep looking and we have to look at the data. And there were trials done on the polio vaccine.

And I think one of the biggest interesting things is that they didn't release the data on that horribly fraudulent, very poorly designed trial with very bad interpretations of the statistics. They didn't even give doctors at the time the data until two years later. Okay? So doctors were pretty much rounded up and said, here's the vaccine that we've all been waiting for. Give it. They weren't given information. Even the doctors that were told to give it. And it was licensed in a matter of eight hours.

That's pretty much a record for them. In eight hours, they pressured the committee to license the vaccine the day that the Francis trial data was supposedly finished. So I just say, look, you have to look at the history of what happened around here. That's what dissolving illusions is all about. Why would this have been going on like this? What was making people die? What was making people crippled? Let's look at the history of how people were living, what they were bathing in and marinating in in society.

What are the drugs that people are using to treat? I mean, every disease that has the vaccine in history, the doctors were doing the most insane things to treat the disease. So why were these legs paralyzed? Good question. I had to ask that. I had to research that. Well, they were paralyzed because doctors decided to start cutting tendons on spasmed muscles and putting children in casts for two years. So we have to look at the treatments of, it's the same with COVID. How are people being treated? Completely poisoning them. Wrong treatments, not allowing the right treatments to be given. I mean, it's just there's so many amazingly easy arguments to kill this polio idea. It's not even funny. So it's an easy one. trap me in that elevator any day. Polio is one, I can just nail in five minutes probably. Let's talk about smallpox for a second.

I mean, there's a lot on polio, but smallpox is very terrifying. One of the things I always find shocking is when, you know, they'll say, you know, the anti-vaxxers are going to bring back smallpox. You're going to take us back to the dark ages. Or do you want to be like Africa? You know, one of the arguments I make, you know, is. that, you know, there's a bigger invention than vaccines. How about the toilet? Like, if you put toilets and sewage systems in Africa right now in the places we're talking about, we might

see very different outcomes. We can't go back to the dark ages because so much has changed in our society that are part of this. But the smallpox conversation, you know, is there a fear? Should we fear? I mean, do we even, I mean, how many places vaccinate for smallpox any longer? I think it only has to be voluntary, somebody who wants it, probably military if you're no. I don't think right now it's really used because I think that the reputation of that smallpox vaccines is so awful because even doctors that are still alive today like Dr. Thomas Mack, who we quote in the book, is talking about the severity of the smallpox vaccine, how it's not an easily transmissible. This is a regular pro-vaccine doctor, okay? It's not an easily transmissible virus. It travels on large droplets.

And the best way to get it is to embed yourself in the bed sheets of somebody who'd had it. So it's not like you can just sneeze and get it from somebody in the room. Doctors rarely caught it from their patients. I mean, that's a lot of what's in the companion book is talking about the actual contagion rate that happened. But one thing that's another consistency in vaccination history is that the mortality rates for the different diseases going up after the vaccines are deployed. So look at COVID, okay? But the same thing happened with smallpox. The mortality rate for smallpox rose after the vaccine was introduced. If you understand how that vaccine was created and that it's still the same genetic strain

that was used today in today's vaccines, they were basically taking pus from the utter of a cow, scraping it into a human, combining that with pus from a corpse of a human, mixing it together, putting it into a rabbit, then putting it into a human, then doing arm-to-arm vaccination, and passing this supposed pure lymph around from animal to person and back again, because they thought if they added it back into the animal population and then brought it back to humans that it would be a stronger vaccine and it would be so much better. So it was always anybody's guess what was in there, but what we do know is that it was loaded with fungus. it was loaded with bacteria sometimes the bacterial count were higher than the viral counts in that

vaccine so i think you know one of the biggest questions we have to have is how could that concoction of scum have eradicated anything and it didn't um it didn't eradicate smallpox what about it as you alluded to is eradicated smallpox was sanitation and isolation of sick people okay that's the most important thing we have to get out of covid we don't isolate the well people we isolate sick people and we treat them appropriately. And that's how we got rid of smallpox. Now, now today, monkeypox is back, okay? It looks exactly like smallpox.

Back in the day when people were making these diagnoses, they wouldn't have been doing genetic testing on them. So chickenpox, smallpox, monkey pox, goat pox, horsepox, cowpox would have all looked the same to these people. And it's very well known that smallpox would follow the vaccination very easily. There was no, as you talk about controlled studies, because I was listening to your show earlier. There are no controlled studies done in the small box ever.

Wow. Wow. That's, I mean, it's just, it's really amazing how, you know, I guess as they say, history is written by the victors, right? The medical establishment seems of one, at least the last several rounds of the public health discussion and have rewritten the history, which is why, you know, your book is so incredible because you cite all the doctors giving firsthand accounts of the problems they're seeing with the vaccines, not using it. You had, you know, what is it, the Leicester, I always

say that wrong. What is the Leicester experiment? The city in Leicester in England that, you know, sort of refused the vaccine and went with a program of just isolation and really had the best results of almost, you know, in any city in the world around that issue. And so, um, You know, you made a statement that there's no vaccine that is safe and effective, I think, and there never will be. I suppose I haven't even gone that far necessarily, which is, is it just not possible to make the concept of vaccination work? Because I will say, you know, Edward Jenner, for what it's worth, I think he, you know, was inspired. He had a, it's a beautiful concept that somehow we could take a lesser form of. a disease and avoid ever having the tragedy of having gone through it. But, you know, in the end,

what is it about that process that is so incredibly flawed and can't be overcome in the modern world? Okay. Well, I first want to start by saying that in Edward Jenner's time, tuberculosis was by 100 times higher killer than smallpox. So I'm not there. I can't judge Edward Jenner's heart, but i can say that he probably became very wealthy very quick and very famous very quickly uh... for doing what he did and he wasn't combating a disease that was as bad as we are told uh... and it was a disease that could have been combated in another way

and when the when his first subjects died of consumption which was very common after the smallpox vaccination he should have been alerted that maybe it was something he was doing and that was a pattern but he was you know basically turned into a god And then so that the reputation of vaccination start up, and then we have one vaccine after another coming on the scene, and then we have 1986.

And after 1986, the pharmaceutical companies were then empowered to carry on, expand their technologies, start making recombinant DNA and plasmid vaccines and things like that. And now today, in my opinion, with all the technology we have, I think the safety profile has gone down significantly. So now we can now make, oh, these wonderful vaccines on tobacco plants, these green vaccines, oh, we're not going to require animal products to do any of it,

so we're going to limit that problem. Well, we have fungus problems. We have all kinds of problems that can occur in growth. This is an early industry. They actually did make a COVID vaccine on tobacco plant, but it was discontinued because they didn't want to give Philip Morris any credibility, the World Health, apparently they do have some morals beyond me. But anyway, So I think that the safety profile has gone way down. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I know a lot of people, especially people that live in you and people with autistic children had problems with the measles vaccine.

But give me a measles vaccine any day over a COVID vaccine. And what we're looking at in the future is now because there's free reign on these pharmaceutical companies. They can literally come up with a vaccine for a new supposed disease in four weeks. So that's a real boon to the industry. And I can just keep going. What kind of, they don't ever. Well, once in a while they lose a case, but for the most part, they're getting away with it. So the more they're getting away with it, the more money they're getting, the more profit there is, the more investors they have that bought the media.

So goodness for media outlets like you, because that's really the biggest problem that we face is that people still out there thinking that the coach, I have some patients that now have been jabbed six times for COVID and still don't they think everything's okay in the world. It's incredible really that a product can fail that bad yet there's a belief that. that somehow there's some value to it. We just covered recently one of the most terrified, I don't even know if you're aware of this or not, but one of the most terrifying stories we've done is this advancement in self-spreading vaccines. This idea that they're really looking,

and they felt like they had the technology could have been used during COVID, probably will be used very soon in whatever next pandemic is declared and this idea that they're going to basically give a vaccine that sheds, and so that everyone will get it to get to people like you and me that just would rather, you know, just rather, you know, stick with nature and, you know, have our family stick with nature, which has been so effective for healthy people in developing lifelong immunity.

They want to rob us of that opportunity. It's really a horrifying idea. And to me, at the center of it is this sort of God complex, clearly, that now you're going to literally just start, man-made viruses to sweep the world that you think are better and safer than the natural viruses. I mean, that's just a level of insanity that can't, you mean, it's mind blowing. Well, and it's not new either because the live polio vaccines were just that. So a child or an adult or whoever would swallow this vaccine and out the other end would

come some of that, some of that live virus, but also whatever mutated through the gut. And so that's the problem you have with self-spreading or live viral vaccine. is that the immune pressure that the body puts on it creates mutants. And so that's what we're looking at if we're going to be talking about live or self-spreading vaccines. It's nothing new. All the live viral vaccines, the flu shots, the inhaled flu shots can do that. And yeah, they're looking at doing mucosal shots, mucosal, like even eyeball vaccines dropping into the eyeball to stimulate. But they don't want to stop the old ones.

That's really interesting. So look into this is that when they come up with these new ones, they don't want to stop the old vaccines they're going to add them on so that when it comes to say the flu shots or the protect vaccines they want to have mucosal vaccines but they but when you hear fouchy talk about it and he wrote this paper was essentially like a confession in 2002 or 23 and he says we're just going to add these mucosal vaccines on because we're failing at the mucosal interface the nose the eyes the lung surface we're not getting good immunity there so we're going to start vaccinating people through that and that's what a lot of these self-spreading vaccines spreading vaccines would be.

You once had a quote. I mean, I can put you on the spot, but I once asked you a question. I have shared your response many, many times. I asked you, you know, what is it about the education system for doctors, the medical school that trains the critical thinking out of the doctors? Do you remember what your response was when I asked that, or I can quote it. I don't want to put you on the spot. something that I just I have always remembered. Do you remember what you said? No. Okay, you said,

and it stuck with me, you said it's not that we're training out the critical thinking and doctors. We're selecting for people that don't critically think that the medical education system through all of its testing, its sleep deprivation, and all of the things that it does chooses people that can just like parrot the information. We'll read and just like cut and pay it. what they understand, that you remember in med school, there's a person raising their hand, challenging the question, but why would that make sense? Isn't there another way? You said those people that sort of raise their hand and speak out or question the establishment

have such a difficult ride through med school that they rarely get there. And so what you have is an army of people that never ask questions, but simply cut and paints the answers that they were told that they should focus on. And I really, do you still feel that? Is this, is that feeling inaccurate? I don't want to be misquoted you. Is that, you know? No, no, no, no.

I need to answer. Why didn't I think of that? Yeah, so it's basically, you know, when you go through medical school, I always equated to like a sip of water through a fire hose. You know, you're just, you're just so overwhelmed with information all the time. And yes, they're not a lot of critically thinking people that go, they're critically thinking within a narrow realm, I should say. you're not going to find a lot of inventors and entrepreneurs that go through medical school.

That's actually been proven by psychologists. It's like you're going to find people who basically are good citizens. They obey. They want to do what's right. They want to help people. And they're also told that what they're learning there is the best possible thing. And they're paying sometimes now up to a million dollars to get it. So who's going to want to go through that and say, oh, that's a bunch of rubbish? I've got to get out.

Well, I did. I mean, but it doesn't happen very often that somebody does that. And I think it's mostly because they've got, you know, wives or husbands and children that they still have to pay the mortgage and how are you going to go home and go, well, basically my income is going to go down to zero for a while until I can work this out. I don't think a lot of people are willing to do that. I happen to be able to do it because I didn't have all these people to support. And I threw all my money into my loans. See, I'm the walking my leg off to get free. And I just don't think that's typical either.

But I was an older student when I went through medical school. And I had a different kind of a background than a lot of the people that were. around me. But there aren't other doctors like me. I mean, you're you're you're you me all the time and I think there's more and more than there always have been people like me who despite you know the gas lighting and the threats and everything else that we still move forward because anything that's that important is worth pretty much everything as far as I'm concerned and I know there are lots of other doctors that feel the same. Then and then then Deli mean you know my my final question really through COVID uh in many ways you you know there's been very

few doctors bold enough to step out. And when you did, obviously you got all the ridicule. You were standing alone. Sherry Tenpenny had a moment. You did Dr. Andrew Wakefield. But it was a very small group of people. During COVID, that really sort of expanded in a major way. So many world renowned doctors, the leading heart doctor in the world doctor, Peter McCullough spoke out. One of the inventors of the MRNA technology, you know, spoke out. And so, you know, you look at Robert Malone. You look at all of these. And I was on, I was like sort of helping with a panel for Senator Ron Johnson,

where it's like 25 of these doctors all there. And I said, I just want you to know, though you're all brand new to this, you're riding on the backs of giants like Dr. Andrew Wakefield, Suzanne Humphreys, that are not here today, but just know every one of you probably called them crazy. and now you find yourself in this position. Thank you for being here. But are you feeling that sort of shift, that there is a sense of support?

There are more and more really high-level doctors and scientists that have had enough and are putting it all on the line. Do you have that sense when you're watching this? And do you think it's going to make a difference? Yeah. You know, there's no doubt that the tyranny of COVID, has woken up people in all sectors of society, including physicians. And what I'm seeing is there are a few different areas there.

So we have some physicians who woke up and just feel exactly like me. It takes about six months if you really just start reading, to go, oh, it's just a big lie, and there's no vaccine that's worth giving. And it took me about six months to get there. Now, I'm seeing a lot of physicians today waking up, and they're thinking that this is the only bad vaccine, and that the other ones were still well-tested and well-proved, and everything else is good.

And that's kind of how they rationalize and can kind of keep their little worldview going. Those are the doctors that actually concern me. So, you know, I really, I salute and my hat is off to the doctors who are waking up for real now and maybe even staying in the system and challenging it at the same time, or leaving the system and challenging from the outside.

But there's no doubt that because of the tyranny of COVID, that, you know, more people than ever, I think, everywhere have woken up. Even people who've taken the shot, shot, you know, sitting there going, well, I really wish I hadn't had done that. And now that I understand, I mean, if you look at people like Kevin McCurnan, who is a, you know, geneticist and the things that he's saying, I think that's some of the most profound information coming out altogether. His substack is totally worth subscribing and

reading. You know, if you can sit and listen to him talk and not get it, then good luck to you. You're right. Absolutely. Look, I can't wait to get this new limited 10th anniversary of one of the most important books on vaccinations ever written, especially if you're looking into the past and what happened with polio and smallpox and you want to be able to stand in that conversation. There's no better book. Where do we find your book right now? How do we buy it?

Okay. I believe that it's currently available as of today. You can go to Dissolvingillusions.com and all the information on where to order it. We're using a publisher called GHP Media, which is out of New Haven, Connecticut, so the printer that we're using now. And there'll be a link to Terrapin Stationers.com when you go on to Dissolvingillusions.com. All the options of where to buy it. You can buy it on Amazon still if you want to, but if you want another option, we now have

it, and all three versions are available in both places. All right. Well... Thank you so much, Del. Thank you for your, you know, you're supporting the book and the information and all the kindness over the years. Suzanne, I miss you. I got to say it's been a while. It was such a pleasure to watch the videos this morning and to get to speak with you here. Thank you for your continued work. We are really going to promote this book. It's very, very important for a brand new and gigantic audience worldwide that want the questions answered that you handle in this book. So thank you for your work. Thank you for your voice. Thank you for being one of the great women in history that has made the ability to wake up around probably the most controversial topic in the world. You've made it easier. You've made it comprehensive and you've brought the receipts, as they say, the facts. It's an honor to know you. And next time you're, you're, you know, around our neck of the woods. I hope to stop in and maybe we can do this in person.

That's definitely a plan. Thank you, Dell. All right, take care. Thank you.