The Highwire with Del Bigtree - THE FARMER AND THE DEL

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

They Want Amnesty; New Film Documents Dutch Farmers; FDA Fractured; Homeland Security Targeted Covid Facts; The Farmer And The DelGuests: James Patrick, Joel Salatin#Nitrogen2000 #NoAmnesty #PolyFaceFarmBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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It's time for us all to step out into the high wire. Well, we have so many new viewers now that are coming to us for all sorts of different reasons, whether we're covering controversial stories, or maybe you're so perplexed about what you're seeing with the COVID vaccine, the fact that's being mandated on children, you're now watching the high wire to all of you out there. Wherever you come from, whether you vaccinated or you didn't back, you're triple-vaxed, We don't care. Welcome to the show. But speaking about that issue, obviously the growing success of the highway represents one thing for sure that the thinking around the COVID vaccine and the vaccine program in general is shifting here in the United States of America and around the world. It's a conversation that we've been at even years before COVID. And I think one of the signs that you know you're really actually winning is that moment that they give up trying to say that they're not guilty. We are moving beyond what I would say. the not guilty plea. Perhaps it's a bit more like an insanity plea. Yes, it happened. We did it,

but we didn't know what we were doing while we were doing it. What am I talking about? Well, it's the big conversation this week. Right on, you know, right as we're looking into a very big election here, election cycle here in the United States of America, there's a brand new agenda of foot. And I mean an agenda. When you see different news agencies all pushing the same kind of story out of nowhere at the exact same time, that's when you should really reflect for a moment and say, what is this really all about? Well, this is one of the first headlines that's discussing what I mean. This is from Bloomberg. How to move on from the debate over the origins of the pandemic. Look at this. You're not going to find the smoking gun. Protecting humanity from the next

pandemic means accepting both sides of the controversy, meaning let's just drop hands. Let's get kumbaya on this. We're never going to figure out what. actually happen at lab. We can't actually do an investigation into the virus we're looking at and figure out whether there was an insertion that happened inside of a lab versus inside of a bat. Come on. Are you kidding me with this? I mean, this is literally like saying that this two-year-old story is a cold case. We're giving up on this murder altogether. And this idea that somehow the way that we all move forward and protect ourselves in the future is to totally ignore what actually happened here. Let's not try to figure it out. And let's not try to arrest those people

that really were a part of obstructing justice. I'm talking about eco-health and all the people that were hired somehow by our government to go investigate the Wuhan lab and the people we sent all happened to be the ones working with the Wuhan lab, doing the gain of function research, and then coming back to us and say,

no, it's definitely natural. Yes, we are behind the ball. Yes, it's going to be very hard to get back into those laboratories and figure out what's going on there. But shouldn't we start with arresting those that kept us from getting the information at the moment. We could have gotten it, like when you were standing inside of the lab?

See, I get it. All of a sudden now that you're looking at the potential for a shift in the government policies here in America and a shift in the people that might actually start investigating these things, now it's time for us all to go kumbaya before that happens. So we can say, hey, let's let bygones be bygones. You really want to dig up all that old stuff just because we have, you know, a new political view that's going on here. Do you see what's happening? Well, it wasn't just Bloomberg.

check out this headline. You probably saw this in the Atlantic. Let's declare a pandemic amnesty. We need to forgive one another for what we did and said we were in the dark about COVID. See, this is that insanity plea I'm talking about. Let's read some of this article because it's fascinating. We have to put these fights aside to declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the will for purveyors of actual misinformation. Really? So we're going to leave out Tony Fauci and, you know, and the NIH and the CDC. See in the FDA that all lied to us, while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Oh, so there it is.

Now, let's forgive them. They were making hard calls. They didn't have the information. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020 ex post facto. This means makes no more sense than my family's mass hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks too. Okay.

Well, let's think about it. Let's go on. All this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot. lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant, and ultimately unproductive. In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. Oh, so it's luck that the high wire was right like 99.999% of the time. And similarly, getting something wrong wasn't a moral failing.

Oh, wasn't it? The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. I agree with that. dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let's acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty and then try to work together to build back and move forward. Well, look, there's some of that sentiment that I agree with. I've told you on this show. We've got to learn to forget. We've got to start having these conversations with our families again. Thanksgiving's right around the corner. Here comes

Christmas. You know, even though we were all banned from the Thanksgiving table and Christmas table last year like we had, you know, leprosy or something, let's, you know, let's be the ones that forgive so we can go back. But do we forget? Where are we at? So I want to discuss this for a moment because the concept of amnesty, which is like let's just drop hands and forget it ever happened really is on the back of a concept, I would say, called forgiveness. So I think in some ways what's being asked of us is to forgive, to forgive our families that banned us from the tables and were mean to us and said they never wanted to see us or our children again. And I think forgiveness is a good thing. But in order to forgive, there's something that has to

happen. First of all, I would really like to take this moment for everyone out there that thought they were opposed to the things that I was saying and were really down with censoring the high wire and all those other things. You know, could you please articulate for me exactly what it is that we are supposed to forgive? You see, because I don't know. I don't know what you know and what you don't know and what you don't know that you don't know. And I think that that's important in this place of forgiveness. So what are we supposed to forgive? Are we supposed to forgive the fact that, you know,

you locked down and took away our jobs, our dreams of having a future, that in that process you destroyed our economy, not just in America, but around the world. Are we supposed to forgive that move? Are we supposed to forgive all the sanitizing and the spraying and the invasive destruction of our nasal passages as you tested us with a product that in itself couldn't even test properly.

And how about all those that died and weren't treated right in hospitals and we couldn't even get to them to say goodbye, our loved ones, our elderly, our aunts, our uncles, our mothers, our fathers. Instead, we were left outside and they were left alone. We couldn't go to a funeral. And how about all the suicides that took place

and the child abuse and domestic abuse and drug abuse? Or turning our children into hypochondriacs, are they going to forgive us for that, for destroying their education and putting them behind in reading and math? Are we forgiving for all of these reasons, or will our children forgive us?

And how about denying people transplants because they didn't want an experimental vaccine that might cause the very problem they needed a transplant for? And then the police brutality, attacking those people that were standing in their truth, that wanted to watch their child play in a sports event without wearing a mask because they knew,

As we now know, masks don't work. Should we forgive the president who promised us that he wouldn't force a vaccine upon us, then took away jobs from the military, from police officers, from frontline doctors and firefighters, leaving them with nowhere to go. And then the injuries, people suffering from all sorts of seizures that are unexplained,

being left in hospitals, and the lies that were done by the pharmaceutical industry saying that these things never happened. And then those problematic vaccines, not only are they hurting people, but they're still being mandated on our children, do we forgive why we continue to give this product to our innocent children that aren't at risk?

And how many headlines of athletes crashing into the floor, unable to ever play again, maybe dead, or all of the people, the performers, the singers that can't get through a concert, or can't do a concert any longer? This brand new normal. Is this what we're supposed to forgive and forget and have amnesty for while it's happening right now? And most importantly, as you talk about the luck factor. I guess. Well, if you got this right, you were lucky, no, I have to be very clear. We've said many

times and shown you proof that we told you that they did not test whether or not the vaccine could stop transmission. During the trials, this is now known to everybody, but we knew it because it was written in our own emergency use authorization in the very beginning. We didn't get lucky. We were reading the science when you were quoting experts that ended up being liars. But how about those doctors that weren't liars. How about the inventor of the MRNA technology? Did he get lucky? Did Robert Malone get lucky when he warned the world, I invented this technology and is not being used correctly and it's going to cause serious harm? Really? The inventor got lucky? No, what he got was censored. He got shut down by the very people that we're being asked now to give amnesty to. Oh, how convenient.

Or what about the doctors that still have their licenses under attack by laws that just got passed in California and are being written in other states. California law to set regulate dissemination of misinformation related to COVID-19, meaning if you said any of the things that now proved to be true, like the vaccine doesn't work, or this virus has a very low death rate, or maybe you should try ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, you could lose your license. Or in the case of the most world-renowned heart doctor in the world, Dr. Peter McCullough, he now has his board certifications that make him a cardiologist being taken away. Why? Because he's been quoting the science from around the world on blood clots, on thrombocytopinia, on myocarditis, the swelling of the heart, which is something he knows better than anyone else about. But still, no, in the moment where his license is being removed and he is under attack and where his certifications are being taken away, we're supposed to give amnesty right now? You see, this is the problem. We are not even through this situation. And I have not heard you articulate. I'm still listening. I'm still listening for exactly what it is you understand I'm

supposed to forgive you for. Because there's a word that goes along with forgiveness if we're going to look at sort of the biblical or spiritual nature of this. And that word is repent. You see, in order to deserve to be forgiven, you must articulate what you're being forgiven for. That's called repenting. Or how about, you know, when we think of a court case, where's your remorse? What are you remorse for? Please explain to me what you think you did wrong here. Because in the Nuremberg trials, which is what may be about to happen should we get a new sentence in Congress here in the United States of America, the doctors did not repent. They did not say we made a mistake. What they said was, We didn't know better.

There was no way for us to know we were following orders. We were just doing what we were told. There was no way to know better. The science changed on us. As it turns out now, obviously sitting in this courtroom, it wasn't okay to test on innocent children products that hadn't been properly safety tested. It wasn't okay to avoid the proof of myocarditis

and blood clotting and thrombocytopinia and anaphyplaxis and all the things that we were seeing with the products. Okay, yes, benefit of hindsight now, maybe you could say that, but we didn't know it then. Therefore, we must be forgiven. Well, I'm all about forgiveness, but I'm not even ready for that conversation until I hear those that made this mistake, those that continue to censor, those that continue to attack, and those that will not admit that these are not sudden adult dead syndrome deaths. We are not randomly seeing the rise of death and excess mortality around the world because maybe we locked down for the wrong reasons.

No, when you stop being mystified by this rise in death and get to the reality that you gave an unproven, untested pharmaceutical product that was killing every animal in the animal trials prior to giving it to human beings, when you admit that just maybe it's the vaccine that is now killing all of us around the world that are dying and collapsing on fields and collapsing on stages. It seems to me we're a long ways away from that. When I think about where Jimmy Kimmel stood in the middle of this, shall we forgive him for saying things like this? Dr. Fauci said that if hospitals get any more overcrowded,

they're going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bet. That choice doesn't seem so tough to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right on him. We'll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, Weezy. We've still got a lot of...

Pandemowitz out there. I guess it's ironic that he said, you know, vaccinated guy needing, you know, having a heart attack, which is exactly what appears to be happening to the vaccinated people around the world. But if you're unvaccinated, have any need for the hospital, screw you, I want you to die. You know, they're harsh words. It doesn't mean that just harsh words that we shouldn't forgive them. And I suppose that there's those that went through the Holocaust that have to deal themselves and ask themselves, should I forgive the doctors that were ended up, you know, being hung?

after the Nuremberg trials. After the courts decided it wasn't okay just because that's what you were told to do. Just because you thought you were doing what was right. In the end, it was wrong, and you should have known better. How do we know you know better? When you tell us what you did wrong and that you actually know better.

It's time to repent. When you're ready to repent, I'm ready to forgive. And in that moment, and then and only then will we consider amnesty. All right. Well, there's a lot of things. I mean, as this conversation, as they clearly want to shuffle it under the rug and act like we're through it, there's other issues on the horizon, other forced pandemics, if you will, or dangers that may or may not be naturally caused.

How about food shortages? Are we going to be running out of food because we just simply have bad weather? Or is the fact that our governments are denying fertilizer to the farmers so they can do the work exactly how they've done it for the last several centuries? This is a story we've covered all over the Netherlands in Sri Lanka. And now there's a great documentary coming out by a filmmaker, and he dove right into the middle of this. This is what that is all about. Come then. Come then.

Our country is based on agriculture. Why? Need to go. My house? Why? My farm needs to close? Everyone has someone in their family who was once a farmer. The manure is in the Netherlands, which is ammonia, which is a form of nitrogen, which is bad for the environment, bad for nature.

They have declared that nitrogen is the major problem. Well, I'm an expert in nitrogen, and I dare to say it is not. It's a crock of shit. We are actually discussing waving goodbye to our farmers. Twenty years ago, you would not have dreamed that this would have happened. We had a lot of problems with nitrogen rules. because our farm is near to and in Nature 2000. These are hardworking people, they're paying taxes,

they've worked their land for sometimes 10, 15 generations. I think the political system, like we have it in the Netherlands, now is totally broken. They are really suffering. Six farmers have actually hanged themselves because of this new policy. Farmers have to reduce the use of nitrogen. Our government, they say we need to reduce 95%

5% of nitrogen in this Nature 2000 area. Our intention is to explain why this is so important for them and for nature, but not to change the goals of the policy. That's not the case. It's not going to happen. They have created a huge problem for themselves, and the farmers are now really angry. We're wasting billions and billions on a nightmare.

Government has to do what the government has to do sometimes, which is painful, but there is a lot of. There's also 25 billion euro for small countries in the Netherlands to help farmers to get a better life, to help nature to restore. The facts they use are not connecting together. We have a food shortage, water shortage, an energy shortage. It's catastrophe upon catastrophe. The farmers are targeted and why are the farmers targeted? Because they have land. They need to build houses, they need to build factories, they have to build highways. They're not even hiding.

I think the government is not working for the Dutch people. We're killing our own food supply. You get governments and politicians who know better how to farm than we know how to farm. The main issue here is fear. Once the people are frightened, you can do whatever you want with them. They're taking away the security. You can't be safe without being free. I always say it's better to die fighting than to...

tend to sit on your knees. The documentary is Nitrogen 2000, and I am joined by the director who's also famous for the recent movie Planet Lockdown. James Patrick joins me now. James, first of all, thank you for taking time. I know you're in the middle of traveling around the world working on these films, so appreciate you joining us today. Yeah, thank you for having me. So let's get into this issue because it's one we've covered, and I was talking to you briefly about it.

You said, I'm actually interviewing. We're just not getting a deep understanding of what's taking place here. From the cursory, from my perspective, you know, it appears that because of new environmental restrictions and a desire to move people into organic farming, which is something that I would normally think that I'm very supportive of, I like organic food, I want organic farming. I, you know, I still sort of consider myself an environmentalist, but I also know that there are ways that you do things where you sort of structure it, you teach people how to do things the new way. And it seems like, you know, all around the world, there's this, you're suddenly going to get

no fertilizer, no nitrogen, you have to cut everything. And then beyond that, there's like purchasing their farms, taking them away and turning it into forestry. And I'm thinking, what's going to happen to our food supply? Now, I don't know whether I'm right or wrong, but you're deeper into this. So what would you say are the essential issues as we look across the pond? If you're, you're you will, wondering if this is coming to America and other countries around the world? Yeah, what I really realized is that this has been a long time in the making. So in the EU countries, they've been regulating nitrogen for 20 years since the year 2000. And Holland, for example, has a minister of nitrogen, which if you can believe that.

Yeah, I mean, and the lady has no background on anything and kind of a joke. but and then they're they're so they're regulated they're doing extreme new regulations against the levels of nitrogen on nature areas they established 32 years ago and 18% of Europe is declared a nature 2000 area is the concern is that governments around the world will increasingly declare more and more areas off limits for people and then use sort of fallacious environmental arguments to kick people off their land and then and then sort of conflate in the public mind, you know, the thousand real environmental issues, because I think we're all care about the environment, with things that aren't really legitimate arguments. Like I don't know how everyone

feels about it, but I mean declaring carbon is as a pollution, which is all life and earth is carbon or in this case nitrogen, which is, which is cow cow pee and cow cow poo is nitrogen. So it's a basic fertilizer, it's plant food. So in this case, case, they're not actually trying to re-reforest areas. They don't want to do that. They want to hold it in the stagnant state of and using these. They're actually the substance of the exact argument. They say we want 10 of these little plants. We want to preserve them, but don't want bigger plants like nettles, but we want little ones like orchids. So they're actually like doing a gardening policy in Holland. The whole thing is so cuckoo. It's very cuckoo. It doesn't make any sense.

Let me ask you this, because we can see what, you know, we can cherry pick these stories. Is it as dire or as extreme as it sounds? Are there really farmers losing their farms? Are there really families losing, you know, centuries of tradition and generations of tradition? Is that really happening? Yeah, it's very radical. So I was actually going to Holland to shoot interviews for another film I'm doing. and I thought, okay, let me get, grabbed two of the farmer leaders from the two major groups.

And then when I got there, you know, every town outside of every major city and all the countryside, every third farm had a protest sign on it. And there was upside down Dutch flags throughout the whole country. So it was like an extreme, it was like a big impact on me. I was like, I need to do more on this. So in five days, I got seven interviews with two members of parliament who were on either side. of the issue to the farmer leaders, one of the really heavily affected farmer and political commentator and a top government scientist and expert on nitrogen who was writing reports on the

issue and which was inconvenient for the government position. So yeah, it is very dire because what they did is in summer 2019, they declared, okay, we're going to regulate nitrogen so hard, they were going to push off half the cattle farmers off their land and make their business completely defied. And so they had a big protest of summer. 2019 they kind of backed off and said no he didn't mean it and now five months ago they went back hard on it and and basically are set by next summer looking to bankrupt half of the cattle farmers in the country and and these nature 2000 areas in holland because it's so developed there's 162 throughout the country so everyone's near a nature 2000 area and then they're so it's

cattle farmers own about 70 percent of holland so if you get rid of 50 percent of that means you're clearing off like 35% of the whole country. Wow. And then what seems really scammy about it is there's there's like half a dozen NGOs that are pushing the policy in the government. And then they're once the farmers are kicked off the land, oh, they got the says that the government set up a 25 billion euro fund to buy out the land once the farm to get them off at reduced prices.

Because the government will come in and say, oh, you know, you can't do business. So they're the big agricultural bank, Rabo Bank is saying, oh, your land's worth less for recalling your loans and then they're going to kick the farmers out the land. The government funnel come in and buy the land and then these same NGOs will be the custodians of the land once they're kicked off and in many cases put cows back on it. Wow. So it's like in what world does this make any sense? And it's a great, I mean, looking at it that way, it's an amazing scam because they don't

have to put any money down and they get all the land assumed by the state and then they control the government and then they get to be the custodians, move people to the cities, restructure, the food system. There's also a big real estate kind of project in the background called the tri-state project. So I checked out the directors of the NGOs, like, who's behind this? And I found there was a lot of Chevron executives. There was big tech executives, like Google of Europe, Google of Holland was one of the directors. And this big Dutch banking family was also represented in that. So, I mean, that's a clue to who's behind it. When you, you know, obviously, we've run into each other because you,

You've did a lot of investigations during the pandemic. You know, your movie Planet Lockdown, you know, when you did that work and now you're transitioning into this farming issue, is there a connection between the two or they're just two totally separate issues? No, I mean, it's, I think there's the same bad guys behind it, but it's this push to control, like Henry Kissinger once said, you know, he controls the food, can control the people, he controls the energy, he can control whole continents, does it control the control the most of the money control the world. So I think the size of these operations is so large that one has to look

for people of a certain level of wealth to be able to conduct conduct operations like this. But this thing in Holland is a huge story. I mean, clearing out a third of the country and then and getting the state down the land and then you really control it through all these different entities and things. I mean, that's that is not a little boys game. So and then this, Yeah, I guess my new, my new site is called Big Picture.watch. So I guess the general theme is like seeing things from a high level internationally. Yeah. So really big, big stories that affect us all.

Let's talk about this a second because we've got this up here. I mean, I love what you're doing. Essentially, it's a bit like how we do things here, crowdfunded, you know, work. If there are, you know, if you want to help support, you know, James's films and getting them finished. And I love that you said if there's a topic you want me to look into, that that's something you're willing to do. do with big picture, which is super cool. So folks, obviously James is doing brilliant work out there. He's getting out there supplying us all with information that is necessary because it's going

to affect all of our lives, whether we live in Europe or we're going to be directly affected by the food shortage or if it's learning about what they're going to and are starting to attempt to do here in the United States of America. I'm talking later about Joel Salatin and the work he's doing in farming in America. But as we finish this up, and I love that you're out there because I'm going to have more questions. I know you're investigating a lot of different stories that we find really important here on the high wire. But as you said, if they control the food supply, it seemed to me that the pandemic was about, you know, in many ways, controlling us. What are we willing to do? And some people

will say, well, it was just an experiment to say, would we wear a mask for no reason? Will we arbitrarily walk six feet apart from each other, even though there was no science behind that? How many non-scientific things could they get us to do? And, you know, in the end, I feel like we won. We don't have a vaccine passport on our phones. So they didn't get away with that initial tracking system that I think could lead to future tracking of carbon and how much carbon I'm using, how much gas I bought this year, how many steaks I'm eating and all of these things. Now you control the food supply. So, you know, you control our health. You decide what it is not, you know, is it is not health. What is food and what is not food? Am I going to be eating more impossible?

burgers and be forced to do that. And then, of course, banking, we're seeing these shifts. And as you're saying, it's all the same players. So let me ask you this, because this is the big question I grapple with. Is this, do you consider those people that we're up against, those sort of moneyed interest, these NGOs, the Bill Gates is of the worlds and the heads of Google and Apple and the rest of them, you know, whatever this group is, are they highly sophisticated? Are they all working together? And is this agenda that seems in some ways to be a part of the same puzzle, do you believe that it is a puzzle, or do you think it's more random than that? Probably before COVID, I'd say maybe more random, but now I think it's a bit more

concerted. Just the commonality of talking points and the way these programs are rolled out in such a coordinated way, I would have to say it's more of a coordinated operation with media and government, NGOs, medicine, communications industries. Just like with COVID, it was just all at once, you know. Yeah. So I think that had waked up a lot, woke up a lot of people. What is going on here?

What dystopian reality in my living in? Yeah. So yeah, I did. So back to your other question on, does this affect us? Or what is the significance of the nitrogen story? I would say it's really, you know, Canada is talking about, it has been started to more aggressively regulate nitrogen. All of EU regulates nitrogen, just not as heavy.

Holland put it at 200 times Denmark, set the regulated limits 200 times lower than Denmark and 100 times lower than Germany. So I would say it's very possible it would spread throughout the rest of Europe. It's in Canada, potentially United States in some places. So Brazil is regulating, you know, methane. I mean, the same talking points have been worked on to get to where what's going on in Holland happened. I mean, the same talking points have been worked on for over 30 years now. So I would say this has been a long time in the making, and this isn't a new issue, but now these institutions are growing teeth and attacking, you know. Yeah.

Should we be worried about famine in our future? Do you think that this is a level that we could actually see a reduction in food supply that, will affect our lifestyles around the world? Well, we, yeah, I mean, some experts have said that. I'm a little more monitor. I don't think they're really going to be like it will be famine, but that would be pretty hard to pull off. But I mean, the burning of the food processing plants in the U.S. and the EU are worrisome.

It definitely looks like there's some pressure being put on the food industry. And there's definitely pressure to push people off the countryside into cities. and then and then sort of reorient what we are eating, like this bizarre, relentless insect food propaganda you're saying in the US and EU, like, I mean, who would ever thought of eating crickets?

But I mean, somehow that's a diet now. I mean, so that's just like, to me, I think they're trying to reshift people's, people's purchasing habits through what they can afford, you know,

maybe, because like this one minister I interviewed who's backing, who's the main guy driving the policy, He said, you know, oh, meat, cheese, dairy have to be more expensive. And I'm like, who the hell is this guy? I don't know. Who is he to say what the price thing should be? And so he's saying that we're going to discourage meat and drive up the price

through regulation and kind of push people on to different things. So I don't know. They're not going to hold a gun to you and say, don't buy me. But they're definitely going to push you onto the other thing. And then in the horizon, really, this sort of the prospect of a potentially social credit system that if this is another issue I'm going to make a piece on next year is on the CVDCs really to if that that would be a way that your money could directly be controlled on what you can and can't purchase so the Bank of England Federal Reserve and Bank of International

settlements have put out statements to that effect that we're the CBDCs are so great because then we can turn people off or or determine what they're buying and we're already sort of seeing the beginnings of that in your credit card statement it'll say what what sort of items you're purchasing. Oh, you're doing restaurants, uh, entertainment. I'm happy that it's just so convenient they're showing me how I can use it in my taxes. I got the little pie chart, but really it's me giving it to the total tracking system of what I'm spending on so that they can figure out what's going on there. It's the beginning of, it's a beginning of labeling of your purchase. Thank you for making that point. Every, you know, this is where I keep learning things right in front of

people on the show. Like, go ahead and get rid of that app. Yeah. All right. Well, look, you know, uh, James, I want to thank you for the work. you're doing out there. I hope you'll come back as you do more investigations into banking and these issues and the shift in governance and how we're governed around the world. But right now, nitrogen 2000 isn't finished. Do you need help to get that done? Yeah, if people could please donate to the project, that'll definitely make a big difference. All right, here it is, folks. You can, and this will be in our link. If you are a part of our newsletter, you'll receive all this along with everything else we're talking about. But let's help James out as he's

you can continue to do this great work. What I love is the level, the quality level, which you're doing things at. I run into your cameras are beautiful. Your technique is excellent. And you have an amazing ability to ingratiate yourself with all sides of these conversations, which is truly a gift

as a documentarian. As you can see, even in that trailer, you're really getting the people that believe in the environmental side of this to excitedly discuss how happy they are to remove the lives and, you know, of the farmers. And then the farmers describing, you know, how they think their government is really against them from what we know as a farming nation. So it's really brilliant.

And people can see your last film, Planet, lockdown. Definitely check that out. So James, I know that our audience is going to support you. And I just want to thank you for taking the time and doing such great work out there to bring the truth to the world. Great. Thank you, too, for your work. It's highly valued. Excellent.

Well, I'll see you out there. We look forward to having you on again soon. Take care. Okay. Thank you. Bye. All right. Well, when it comes to the whole farming issue, it really is the center point of this show. I'm going to talk about a visit to Joel Salatin's farm. It's considered really the guru of regenerative farming. That's going to be awesome. But first, it's time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey, what do you have for us this incredible week? I mean, it's like, it's the dawning of the age of elections taking place next week here in America. It's sort of all that's in the news. But there's a lot underpinning that, especially from our world. Yeah, yeah. Let's let's tease out this amnesty piece a little bit more because this is just,

it's so interesting. And I want to bring in a character we brought in before. This is John Unitas. He's a Stanford University professor of medicine and acclaimed epidemiologists. And what's interesting about him is United States studies scientific research itself. So you take a scientific researchers and they're looking at a problem through one specific scope of, you know, data and metrics. What he does is he takes, he says, how many people have looked at this? Let's look at all of those views and synthesize that and see what comes out of that. So it's pretty powerful research he does and he's really good at it. He just came out with a new study on October 13. This is the title. I urge anybody to look at it. It should be on the front page of every newspaper, age, stratified

infection fatality rate of COVID-19 in the non-elderly informed from pre-vaccination national serial prevalent studies. So there's a lot of words there. But what they did was they looked at the blood serum. This is before the vaccine ever came out. They looked at the blood serum of people who tested positive for COVID and then the infection fatality rate who passed with COVID with those positive blood serums. And so this is what the study found. This is the highlight of the study. And really pay attention to people out there. Share this with your friends and family. Because as you said, this should be headlines in newspapers, but it's not headlines and newspapers, even though this is apparently the conversation we've all been having for two years.

Suddenly when the leading epidemiologist in the world has a groundbreaking study like this, it doesn't make it into any of the newspapers. But yes, so we must share it. And all of this will obviously be at your fingertips. If you are signed up to our newsletter, you'll get it on Monday. But go ahead. Let's take us through. Right.

Yeah. So really just the pop headline here or the highlight of this study is this. And it reads, across 31 systemically identified national zero prevalent studies, that's the studies he was looking at there, in the pre- vaccination era, the median infection fatality rate of COVID-19 was estimated to be 0.035% for people aged 0 to 59 years and 0.095% for those age 0 to 69 years. So that is... Let me jump in here because we rarely correct ourselves here on the high wire, but I just want to sort of give my own little correction. I have been saying based on the last paper by E. and Eadis for a long time that it looks like the death rate is about 0.27% or a quarter of 1%. Ultimately, that really only involves

the elderly and extremely ill that make up that number. We have been overestimating the level of depth. When I was saying a quarter of 1%, it really isn't that when we think of this median. Let's bring up that first paragraph again, because folks, wrap your head around this. It's not a quarter of 1%. It's not even a 10th of 1%. For 0 to 69 years old, you're still at 0.0.0.0.000. 95% for everybody below the age of 59.035%. Folks, when you think about this amnesty moment and, you know, all the things that were done to shut down our economies and force a product onto the market without our approval, all for a 0.035% you know, death risk rate. That's, it's, that number is so low, Jeffrey. It's even astounding to me. And we've been reporting on this, you know,

for two years straight on a lot of astounding things. And this is what Enitis really specializes in, the black and white granular data. And so let's move over to the Brownstone Institute. They have an article on this Eonitis research, and they really broke it down a little in an easier way to look at these numbers by age group. And this is the headline here, a closer look at the COVID mortality rate. And when we look in here, we see these bullet pointed list by age. And so let's go through just a couple of these.

ages zero to 19 remember that's where ASIP just recommended the vaccine for adolescents and kids fatality rate 0.0 0.03 percent as three zeros in front of that three survival rate 99.9.997 percent age 20 to 29 same thing point zero zero three percent fatality rate 99.997 survival rate and then we're getting into the ages so at the very top 60 to 69 these These are the people that, oh my God, we have to lock down everything to protect these people. Fatality rate.5.01% survival rate 99.49% and dealt to the amnesty crowd. 86% of the global population is younger than 60 years old. So understand that we locked down and disrupted the lives of 86% of the global population for an infection fatality rate at that level.

really wrap your head around those pieces. But there's another piece we want to talk about here. So with that in mind, this frames the conversation. We talked about transmission about this vaccine, but we framed the trend that we framed this next conversation around the safety. What did they know? Did they even do the proper safety tests? Well, just to remind people, because a lot of people seem to be forgetting of what this looked like over two years ago, before the vaccine was even out, before they even started testing for it, here's Bill Gates on an interview. Listen to what he had to say. People like myself and Tony Fauci are saying 18 months.

If everything went perfectly, we could do slightly better than that. But there will be a trade-off. We'll have less safety testing than we typically would have. And so governments will have to decide, do they indemnify the companies and really say, let's go out with this when it's, we just don't have the time to do what we normally do. So 18 months is about what we'd expect. We're doing everything we can. You know, we'll write checks for those factories faster than governments can and they'll come along.

It definitely shouldn't be money limited. It should be, you know, all the best constructs, full speed ahead, science limited. As I understand it then from what you're saying is that it may be that there needs to be some compromise in some of the safety measures that would normally be expected to create a vaccine because to. time is so crucial? Well, of course, if you want to wait and see if a side effect shows up two years later, that takes two years. So whenever you're acting quickly, like during the HIV crisis, they created a quick way of getting drug approval.

There is a trade-off there. In that case, it worked super, super well. And here, you know, we have, we will, I think, be able to get some safety indications, But this is a public good. And so, you know, those tradeoffs, the government's working on a cooperative basis will be involved in the decision to say, hey, the regulator says go ahead, even though you haven't taken the normal time period. This is, I mean, let me just take a second here, Jeffrey, because you've laid it out. I just want to jump out for a second. A 0.3.5% death rate.

So, you know, far below less than a tenth of one percent. That means it's below most flus or bad flus as we've ever known it. We were saying this in the very beginning. But now thinking about that point, that is the emergency that he's saying for the first time ever, we need to skip the safety side of this vaccine. This vaccine, which, by the way, is not made like any other vaccine before, is a brand new technology that's going to be interfering with your DNA, your RNA. I mean, we are spielunking into a place into your immune system.

We've never been before. We're doing that because of this horrifying 0.035% risk rate. Now, think of what the reporter says. So you're telling me that we're going to really compromise what we know about safety. And then he says, well, yeah, I mean, look, if you want to be concerned about what happens two years down the road, yeah, yeah, the safety trials won't be able to determine that. I want to bring up a headline we've always shown because this is just this week. crisis as excess deaths soared to levels higher than during COVID pandemic. Collateral damage from hospitals canceling and delaying treatment to focus on coronavirus

blame for mortality rate rise. Wait, hold on a second. Where are we at? We're at two years out from a product that Bill Gates said we won't know what's happening in two years. And now that people are dying at higher levels than we've ever seen before, the reasoning by newspapers and the media that's owned by pharma is to tell us, oh, well, we'll take a mea culpa on locking you down. It's the lockdowns and the fact that you were wearing a mask all that time, which is why you're dying now and maybe you didn't get treated for cancer. It couldn't possibly be this product that we were wondering what would happen to you two years after you take it because we didn't have long-term safety trials knowing that there could be adverse events

like the heart attacks we're seeing, like the deaths we're seeing, like the anaphylaxis were sealing, the Bell's palsy were seeing, the blood clotting, the thrombocytes, How is it? Jeffrey, this is insane that we live in a world where no one in media say, hey, can we at least put vaccines on the table for the reasons we may be seeing the highest death rates we've ever seen after COVID's gone and we can't blame it on COVID anymore? I know it just took us off track a little bit. Look at there's the myocarditis rate, folks. Look at how much myocarditis? I mean, these are the deaths. These are the deaths. All the way, look at how many deaths that were from every other vaccine combined. All of a sudden,

In 2021, here comes COVID-Vax. And in those two years, that's what the death rates listed that are being reported on the bearer system. And by the way, every investigation says that system is underreported somewhere between 1 and 10%. So if you're at 30,000 deaths, you could probably do the math and assume that in America, 300,000 people at least have been killed by this vaccine based on what we know in the history of the bear system. But all of that to say, they told us they were skipping out of the safety trials. They told us it was an emergency, which it wasn't. Now we're two years out from what you said we wouldn't know what that was going to be, and we live in this new normal where people are dropping like flies all over the planet.

And we just keep saying, well, we're not sure why. Maybe it was the masks. All right, continue on with where you were at. Sorry for the sidetrack, but we are, this is really an insane moment that we're finding ourselves. It's so important to nail this home as you just did. And right out of the mouth of one of the key vaccine influencers in the world there, right before the vaccine started even being created or tested. So he says, we're going to basically punt that to the government regulators, and they're going

to get the say if they want to go ahead with this limited safety testing. So we know, you know, even from the beginning, the studies weren't designed to find if there's stopping transmission or infection. We already covered that. But after the two-dose primary series, just was a dismal failure. There was breakthrough infections. It wasn't stopping transmission. people were it was admitted through the CDC well here comes the booster and we know by the end of

august of 2021 there is already some strife and some internal conflict within the FDA so you know they're blaming people that are vaccine hesitant for the loss and confidence in regulatory agencies but behind closed doors there was top scientists that were not going along with this this was the headline in august of 2021 just to remind people this was the first booster dose they were discussing the talk because the The first two didn't stop transmission. Biden's top-down booster plan sparks anger at FDA. And at that point, Biden was trying to, he actually announced, his COVID czar actually announced, we're just going to go ahead and roll this out before the FDA even voted on it,

looked at the studies, anything. They already had dates to roll out the booster vaccine. And people in the FDA were basically saying, what the heck? But we didn't really know. There's a lot of speculation at that time. But now through Judicial Watch FOIA emails, we have 43 pages of, of heavily redacted documents during what was going on on this run-up to this this booster push and what was causing this you know this sparking of anger so let's look at one of these emails here

there's a huge list of emails and you can go through all these if you want to at a judicial watch its home page but we look at one specific because this is philip cruz uh philip cruz and marian gruber these are the two people we want to focus on and this is what they discuss uh and here they are right here. And they're basically, Marian Gruber is a 32-year veteran and former now, director of the FDA's vaccine office. And Philip Cruz was her deputy. So this is Philip Cruz talking to heads of FDA and HHS in an email. For my brief discussion with Peter, we're assuming that's Peter Marks, the head of FDA, this morning after some calls with CDC and HHS last night, the problem is that the, oh, we don't get to see it because redacted. But,

Philip Cruz says this, take a deep breath before reading this next paragraph. On that call, the CDC evidently stated that they will assemble all the data they're aware of on third dosing in this setting and send it to us in the hope that we will very soon authorize the third dose for immunocompromise as part of the EUA. Peter told me that the CBR, CBR IOD, that's the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, office of the director, will triage this. I don't know what that means, but it doesn't sound really like, robust science. I told him I needed to be C-C'd on any of these communications so we don't get blindsided, but that we also need to protect the review team. This is part of why redacted thinks

redacted the BLA is approved. So we have Philip Cruz, basically one of the head vaccine researchers at the FDA saying, look, you guys look like you're going to really fast-track this. I need to be C-Ced on this so we don't get blindsided on what you guys are doing. And so let's see what happened shortly after that email exchange during the same month that was in the beginning of august at the end of august here's the headline two senior fda vaccine leaders stepped down as agency faces decision on boosters this is gruber and crews uh they announced they are stepping down and just about two weeks later they took to really what they probably felt was the only format that they can voice their opinion that was the lancet and this is the article that they were both authors on considerations in boosting

COVID-19 vaccine immune responses. This is on September 13, 2021 for the first vaccine booster dose. And they say, although the benefits of primary COVID vaccination clearly outweigh the risk, there could be risk if boosters are widely introduced too soon or too frequently, especially with vaccines that can have immune-mediated side effects, such as myocarditis, which is more common after the second dose of some RNA vaccines or Guillain-Barray syndrome, which has been associated with adenovirus vector COVID-19 vaccines. They go on to say, almost prophetically, if unnecessary boosting causes significant adverse reactions,

there could be implications for vaccine acceptance that go beyond COVID-19 vaccines. Thus, widespread boosting should be undertaken only if there is clear evidence that it is appropriate. I mean, this is amazing because we are talking about literally like virtually the cardinals of vaccine theology splitting ranks with the religion right here, saying no, you cannot. We approve the vaccine with very little testing, as Bill Gates just said. We have no idea the future, but we're really worried about continuing to boost because even after the second shot, we're seeing myocarditis and Guillain Barre syndrome, and when you think about those words coming from these lead scientists,

she's been ahead at the FDA, worked in this for 30-something years. She's been to vaccine zealot, and now she's starting to be vaccine hesitant. It shows you how scary this vaccine is. And as I've said before, they continue to promote this vaccine to children knowing that Gruber and these people defected because of things like myocarditis and Guillamborea syndrome and any lack of a concern of doing proper science really shocking from as high up as you can get. Right. And so we're really, we're painting this picture, this historical, recent historical picture is so important to really discuss this next topic, which is present day current information. And it's brilliantly put out there by this Wall Street Journal opinion piece. This is the title here, the bi-valent booster boondoggle. Washington spends billions on shots nobody wants. And remember now they have a new booster. It has an Omicron and the original strain. That's the bi-valent to target the Omicron strain

that's currently circulating that is less deadly, we are told. And it says in here in this article, Since COVID shots first became available, the federal government has purchased and distributed them instead of relying on the market to match supply with demand. The result has been a colossal waste. Between December 2020 and mid-May 2022, the U.S. wasted 82.1 million doses. Some expired on pharmacy shelves before they could be used. Others were discarded after remaining unclaimed in opened multi-dose vials. But now we talk about what's happening right now. The Biden administration, it says, announced on September 8.

that it had secured a hundred and seventy million of the updated doses it is still looking for an additional twenty two billion dollars from Congress to buy more so Del when your government becomes the biggest purchaser of vaccines because there is no free market for it and they need to distribute them and distribution isn't going too good what does it look like when they need to market this take a look and we're here with a simple message Get vaccinated. Update your COVID vaccine. It's incredibly effective, but the truth is not enough people are getting it. We've got to change that. And if you're fully vaccinated, get one more

COVID shot once a year. That's it. Now, some high-risk people, such as elderly and immunocompromised, may need more than one COVID shot. But for most Americans, one COVID shot each year will be all they need. And if you get it, you're protected. And if you don't, you're putting yourself and other people on necessary risk. The shot is free. It's widely available and conveniently located just in time for the holiday season. Some are offering coupons when people get their updated COVID shots. Get the shot. Five, ten, $20 off your drugstore grocery purchase next or grocery purchase next time at the same time you get the shot i mean i don't know what a president has ever had to go out on qbc and try and sell something that they're pushing on america

but that's insane and the i don't it's it's it's very clear it's very clear you only need one shot but if you've had all of your shots then get one more and by the way it's not going to be enough to get one more just for everybody if you're elderly and have other issues then maybe you need more than that like others. But, you know, it's only one shot a year. But if you've had that one, definitely get one more. And what's the point? Is it one a year?

Because I'm pretty sure he's talking to all the people that already got two or three in the last year. And now they need to get one more. So I don't know where this one a year is coming from. It sounds like most of you are on number four. So it's not one. It's at least two or three. I mean, this is crazy. And the idea that they're buying these things.

And we've been reporting on the fact that nobody is getting it, even those that all got the original vaccines, they're like, man, if it doesn't do it, and it's, and he says, and it's highly effective, but it wears off and it's, sometimes it's not effective. And if you don't get more of them, then you're not, you're not protected. Well, is it effective or is it not?

I mean, we know the answers to all these things, but it just couldn't be dumber than what we're watching them do. It's crazy. Well, in Canada, Justin Trudeau is kind of in the same boat. They have, they have bought a lot of vaccines, and they have, they have, they have, really just tried to get these out as well. He took a little different approach. This is what the headline. This is what the headline look like. Trudeau threatens a return to restrictions if vaccine

uptake doesn't increase. The beatings will continue. So amnesty. I thought we were talking about amnesty. And he's talking about, well, we're going to turn your restrictions back on. If you don't take these vaccines, we spend too much money on. I mean, that I'm sorry, this is just, it's laughable. We have to laugh at it because they're really trying to get rid of these things. weren't so dangerous. I mean, in Canada, you have to be at risk of being locked down again because, you know, your prime minister has a product he needs to sell. I guess he should start working on the talents that Joe Biden has showed us and his ability to run a QVC sales presentation. Yeah, and those are serious words by Trudeau as well to threaten that on a population again. Where we sit right now, what we know about what that did to the population, my gosh. But let's look.

Let's stand counter for a second. So if you're Canadian and you're saying, well, he's going to put us back in restriction, I probably should take the shot. And I remember Bill Gates, you know, over two years ago said, we're going to have time for the safety testing. We really don't have time for that. And the FDA lost some of its top advisors because they weren't doing the safety testing and they push too fast. But surely they've done it now, right, for the new booster vaccine they're pushing. Well, let's go to the Ministry of Health in Canada.

And let's go to their own website. COVID-19 vaccine guidance version 3.0 October 13th, 2020, says here, there is no current clinical data available for bivalent Pfizer bio-N tech. Well, let's talk about safety. It goes on to say, well, there are no safety data currently available for bivalent Pfizer-Bioentech, post-market safety data from the use of the monovolent, another vaccine, Pfizer-Bioentech. Pfizer Biointech vaccine suggests that when used as a booster, the BA-4-5-Vivalent vaccine will be well tolerated. I mean, Dell, there's so much there makes my head spin.

I mean, basically, we didn't do any safety testing, but based on a completely different product, and that safety test that we barely did either, really didn't do that at all. But you should feel safe giving it. And by the way, if you don't feel safe, we're going to lock you in your house if you don't take it. Absolutely unbelievable.

And this is why it's important to really track who is running your country and to vote for people you want to run your country. And this brings us to the next story. Britain's got another new prime minister. It's third in the last couple months. And he is Rishi Suneck. This is a former Goldman Sachs banker, former hedge fund manager, head of the conservative party, former chancellor. And here's the headline just out of October 25th. So this is very recent. He's the most recent one. Rishi Sunnick officially becomes prime minister, informs cabinet. And, you know, our viewers may have remembered we did a story on him when he was Chancellor of the UK in August of this year. Take a look just for a flashback.

Okay. Senior member of parliament, Rishi Sunnick, he is actually in the running to replace Boris Johnson as prime minister. We'll know more about that in early September here. But he's come forward now and become the most senior whistleblower to the blow the whistle on the COVID response. What happened behind the scenes in the UK? This is the headline here is where it started out. Sunnick says it was a mistake to empower scientists during COVID pandemic. He did a sit down, a long format sit down with The Spectator.

It's a magazine in the UK and he kind of spilled the beans. This was the headline. He wants to read this story. It's an amazing tell all. The lockdown files, Rishi Sunnick on what we weren't told. Listen to some of these quotes he has in here. A cost benefit calculation, a basic requirement for pretty much every public health intervention was never made.

He says, I wasn't allowed to talk about the tradeoffs as Sunnick. ministers were briefed by number 10 on how to handle questions about the side effects of lockdown. The script was not to ever acknowledge them. The script was, oh, there's no tradeoff because doing this for our health is good for our economy. Wow. I mean, and you know, he seems like a really good guy there, at least in that moment he's on our side. Yeah. And so doing some research here. We're doing a little bit of a dive into who this guy is. It's kind of like a one step forward, one step back of what that sounds good that's kind of questionable so let's really take the viewers through what we know just you know through public headlines and so he was a founding partner of a hedge fund company

called thelomey and this is the headline from november 2020 this one's the vaccines were in production rishi sunnick refuses to say if you'll profit from moderna covid vaccine in there it says stock market filing show that thelomey has a 500 million dollar investment in the u.s based moderner which counts about 20% of all the money it manages 20% of the two percent of the two $2.5 billion. So Sunik was a founding member in this fund. Now, he left in 2013, just to be clear, he left this hedge fund to pursue politics in the UK. We know how that's went. But it's very rare for someone, a founding member of a hedge fund, to just drop it and not to have any holdings in this hedge fund. But we don't know because this is in the Cayman Islands. That's where it's filed. So it's not

public information. So there's that piece on that. But now let's fast forward to summer of 2020. So The lockdowns had happened throughout the winter and they were being released. Businesses were really hurting. We have Rishi Sunnick. He put out a program called Eat Out to Help Out. This is the UK offers diners, some tasty morsels. So they launched, it was about a $620-something million program. It was a discount scheme and people can go out to restaurants, cafes, and pubs on like Monday, Wednesdays.

And people can get half-priced meal. So it was something to get people out. And he was attacked in the media by that for causing, you know, a second or third wave. I can't remember at the time. But that, you know, that's one of the things that he was doing as Chancellor was trying to. And you can see a theme, common theme going through what he does of finance, money, banking, trying to restart the economy there. But he was also caught at 10 Downing Street during Partygate.

And this is one of the things that eventually led to Boris Johnson resigning. So April 2022, we're seeing how. headlines that look like this UK PM Johnson and finance minister, Sunnick fined for COVID lockdown breaches. So Boris Johnson had a little bit of a birthday party whenever one else wasn't supposed to have gatherings of two or more. There was a bash at 10 Downing Street. And so Rishi was part of that. Boris and Rishi were fined by the police for this. So let's fast forward to more present day events. So UK finance minister Sunnick resigns. This was on July 5th, 2022. So he must have read the T Leafs saw the wind blowing in a certain direction because just two days later, we have

Prime Minister Boris Johnson stepping down and battled UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson resigns. And so in this space now, Sunnick is now in the space where Prime Minister may be within his grasp. So this is where it brings us up to our reporting that we had reported on. This is Reuters, UK leadership candidate, Sunnick. Now he's become a candidate, attacked COVID lockdown response. So, you know, that's the question. We don't know the answer. We can speculate.

Is he doing this for politics? Why didn't he come out so strong? I mean, his policies appeared to be, you know, he wanted to open up the economy. But why didn't he come out and just do this tell all at any other time except when he's running for candidate? That would be one of the questions. But we have Liz Trust that enters. She is only basically Prime Minister for three weeks. And then she has to resign.

So here's the headline, UK Prime Minister, Liz Trust resigns after failed budget. market turmoil. So we have Rishi Sunnick. He was voted by the Conservative Party to be the Prime Minister. About a week before he becomes Prime Minister, he comes out and he gives this speech. Take a look. Today, I'm proud to say that under the UK's presidency, the group of the world's seven most advanced economies, the G7, is launching a set of public policy principles for retail central bank digital currencies, CBDCs. Central bank digital currencies could be a digital version of money, a bit like a digital banknote that could be used alongside physical notes and coins.

Unlike most of the digital money people use daily today, it would be issued directly by a central bank, like the Bank of England in the UK. And governments and central banks across the world are working together looking into what having a digital currency might mean in practice. This includes issues that people care about, such as ensuring users, money would be safe and secure, that it could work with other ways to pay, would be energy efficient and available to everyone. A potential CBDC could offer businesses and consumers new ways to pay in the future. It's all part of the wider story of digital innovation that has

delivered benefits to millions around the world and in the UK. Wow, you know, James Patrick, the documentary I spoke to just a moment ago, was talking about the CBDCs as something that he's investigating. There's some scary things around this. And for all those, have been fighting for Bitcoin and, you know, Ethereum and these cryptocurrencies, there is a real concern that the banking, the central banking systems are going to take over, push those out, say, oh, we're into cryptocurrencies, the ones that we control the only ones that are legal, right? I mean, that's a sense of what could happen here. Right, right. And this is where the story kind of detracts a

little bit from Sunnick, and we talk to this greater push for the central bank digital currency and you know just a basic overview on this do when you or I do a financial transaction with our bank where we buy something it's between you and the bank when you in a reality where there's central bank digital currencies it's between you and the government institute the government really instrument of financial asset that they have issued so it's between you and them they know everything you're purchasing and they have real-time access to that and it's on a ledger that can never be erased. So that's, and there's even discussions right that on that ledger could be what my

currency can be used for. For instance, we could see a future where I was able to buy Ivermectin during COVID. I am allowed and I personally believe it's effective. Everyone can make their own decisions. But for my family, my relatives, I was purchasing Ivermectin from sources that would give it to us, even though it's being shut down in a lot of places. We are talking about my currency, if that's the only currency that exists, that is being tracked and has notations on it cannot be used to buy certain things. They could literally block us from using currencies to get to things that we may think are necessary for our own lives. Absolutely. And this is a

story we'll continue to cover and we'll talk way more about this. But what's interesting is they're taking an ecosystem of the cryptocurrency space, which is, it has its backbone of decentralization, power to the community. And they're centralizing it in the most central space of a central bank. So That's a very square peg for a round hole. It's going to be interesting how they make that happen if they try. But let's finish off on Sunik here. One of the headlines here out of the Guardian asks, who are Rishi Sunnick's in-laws? So the Indian entrepreneur is wealthier than King Charles.

Wow. Maybe a lot of people didn't know that. So we have his father-in-law is Narayana Murthy. For people that don't know, he's pretty much like the Steve Jobs of India. He's one of the people and his business is responsible for, you know, the Indian tech push. So his company is called InfoSSS, SYS. And they're really like a FinTech financial tech. They focus on biometrics, bringing businesses into the digital age, which is really interesting.

And even from 2016, you can see here they're talking about digital banking. Infosys, Finnical partners with one genie to strengthen digital banking offering. Now, Murthy stepped down in 2024, but the trajectory of the companies was still going that way. So that's one of the data points there. And also, there's a lot of speculation. Is Rishi Sunnick part of the World Economic Forum, the W.E.F. He does have his own page there. Now, do they give everyone a page there that is a leader?

I don't know. But he has said in a World Economic Forum video that he's fully transitioning the U.K. towards net zero he's he's kind of quarterbacking the financing of that net zero transition but he wants it to be fair so again ask the farmers in the netherlands how the net zero transition is going so we kind of get a taste of what's going on there but let's go just finish up here with with a digital currency so we have the bank of england there's a concerted push like you said when stuff comes out of nowhere and everyone's talking about it especially at this huge level at the banking level we got to really pay attention so we have the the bank of england uk digital

There's their own website, UK digital currency, Central Bank digital currency. Even the White House just a month before Rishi made that statement, fact sheet, this is at the White House's own website. White House releases first ever comprehensive framework for responsible development of digital assets. So a lot of people moving towards these digital assets. And why is that a concern? Well, there's a lot of concerns for this.

One of them is that government has already shown that its first step forward for, for towards people it doesn't like or towards activists that are doing something that doesn't want is to freeze their bank accounts. We saw this with the trucker protest in Canada. This was just remind people banks have begun freezing accounts linked to trucker protests. But in Canada, they had to invoke the emergencies act. That was what Chardotot had to do, which is an act that hadn't been used for like 50 years. And that was a big to do. It was transparent. The public could have a discussion around it. Say, I like this. I don't like this. Politicians got involved with a central bank digital currency in that space. If that was available

then, it would have been zeros and ones. And no one would even know that you're, who you are or what you're what happened to your bank account because you would just be gone one day it would be a blip there would be nothing really no accountability um even even pakistan there's uh there's a lot of issues there with with an election there is an ousted umron khan he's trying to get the uh the election a new election to be had and this is the headline there that it's happening all over the world pakistani political hecklers threatened with biometric block biometric id and bank accounts wow and then we're even seeing corporations I mean, they just can't help themselves. PayPal's been, this is a story that's been going back and forth for a couple weeks here.

People with PayPal accounts really should pay attention on this one. PayPal added the word misinformation into their user agreement when it came to this. This is the headline about fines. After PayPal revokes controversial misinformation policy, major concerns remain over a $2,500 fine. So they're going to fine people $2,500 for violations. And there is a list of violations. And they added out of nowhere misinformation in that list. And people said, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you talking about?

Can you define misinformation? You're gonna charge me $2,500 per violation. And you have links to my- What are you, the IRS? I mean, you were my government? Like suddenly things I'm saying, you're gonna, I'm just gonna get a bill. We're just gonna take it right out of my account to PayPal.

I mean, how is that even legal? It's totally crazy. And how are they finding that out? Is the big question too. Are they monitoring everybody's, Do they have full scope monitoring of everyone's online to activity? So right now, here's where we're at with PayPal. PayPal still has this in its user agreement, and it's had it for quite some time.

So you can see here, if you're a seller and receive funds for transactions that violate the acceptable use policy, blah, blah, blah, you go all the way at the bottom. You acknowledge and agree that $2,500 US dollars per violation is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal's actual damage. So you say, well, what the heck is this acceptable user policy? And we go to that and it says section F, which is an important part for people probably watching the show, the promotion of hate, violence, racial, and other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory or the financial exploitation of a crime. Well, remember, misinformation was cut and pasted and added to that. And then because of public backlash, they had to take it off. They said, sorry, that was our error. Maybe a little too early. We were supposed to put that when the CPDs came through. So that's what,

that's where we're at with a PayPal. So a lot of people have been showing. shutting their accounts and canceling their accounts with PayPal for this very reason. Rightfully so. I mean it's really scary stuff to have private industries watching how our finances are moving, our conversations, are they watching how we're speaking in messages? Like what do they know? What do they not know? I mean, this is really going to get to be a bigger and bigger story for all of us.

The AI, it's everywhere. Who's in contact with it? And by the way, how many forms have we all just checked the box on? Yeah, okay, it'll open up my phone. Okay, yeah, whatever, I got to get this computer app working. okay, okay, okay, how much of our information did we just sign off on to be given out around the world and how it will be used against us? Right. Information, the flow of information is at a premium. It's the most important thing really in the world right now because it shapes the world.

And so that brings us to our next story. This is one of the biggest stories out there right now. This is the Department of Homeland Security. And if people remember just about five, six months ago, the Department of Homeland Security had a disinformation governance board and they had to shut that down. They came out and they said, look at this. Isn't this great? Department of Homeland Security shuts down disinformation board that drew fire from GOP. So that was shut down. But behind the scenes, before that and increasingly after that, they have been working to erect an infrastructure that is nothing short of terrifying. So we know this. We have a peek into this because of the lawsuits by Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmidt and Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry.

And this was the, we have documents now that have been produced in their lawsuit showing DHS inclusion with Big Tech. And the article that put that together by Lee Fang and the Intercept, Truth Cops, leaked documents outlined DHS's plan to police disinformation. This is a great article. And it says here, DHS's mission to fight disinformation stem from concerns around Russian influence in the 2016 presidential election. began taking shape during the 2020 election and over efforts to shape discussions around vaccine policy

during the coronavirus pandemic. According to a draft copy of DHS's Quadrennial Homeland Security Review, DHS's capstone report outlining the department's strategy and priorities in the coming years, the department plans to target, quote, inaccurate information on a wide range of topics, including the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, which we still don't know yet, and the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, racial justice, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and the nature of U.S. support to Ukraine. So it's a big, a big chunk there. Remember, the Department of Homeland Security was created by the Patriot Act after the 9-11 attacks

for foreign terrorist operations. So over the years, we've seen that really saw it supercharged in around 2010 with Obama. And, you know, it's been handed off, in fairness, from administration to administration. No one's really put a squash on this thing. So we have now the internal documents. So let's look at these internal documents that were produced during this lawsuit. So we're first going to look at documents from cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency. This is CISA. This is the kind of the operational component of the Department of Homeland Security. So this is their meeting minutes. April 12, 2022, they say members emphasize two framing questions for further consideration.

How can CISA inspire innovators to partner with the government in a way that cats? vitalizes availability of trusted information without being seen as government propaganda. They go back to this and the next quote, subcommittee members return to the recommendation for CSA to amplify trusted information and discuss designated a point of contact as a clearinghouse. Redacted and Mr. Hale suggested designating the ISACs as a clearinghouse for information to avoid the appearance of government propaganda. So they're basically saying how do we control this, this online conversation? We want to control it. We want to monitor it, but we don't want to look like we're monitoring it. So is there a way to do that? Maybe we can have a middleman, a third party where we can use them as kind of like the glove in hand and monitor it through there and influence it through there. So when people are talking or when they're talking about the online discussion, what online discussion? What are they talking about? So the next draft conversation they're talking about. This was from June 20, 2022, June 22nd, draft report to the same.

CESA director. And they say, well, what media? CSA should approach the MD that's misinformation, disinformation problem with the entire information ecosystem in view. This includes social media platforms of all sizes, mainstream media, cable news, hyperpartisan media, talk radio, and other online resources. So there it is. I mean, that's the entire swath of communication and information. They want their hands in that. They want to be able to basically curate and manipulate that. So even before DHS became involved, you know, as we know this, with these documents, we already saw government in there with big tech. So Biden came out and said this actually really is a crazy statement.

Biden says platforms like Facebook are killing people with COVID misinformation. Well, this was a shock to people in the world and people at Facebook because just a day later, we have Vivek Murthy. He is the Surgeon General of the United States. We have some text messages now from that same court case. that were released. And he says this, imagine the president says, your company is killing people.

The next day you get a knock on the door. Hi, I'm from the government. I want to talk to you. Does that sound like coercion? He says, hi, it's Vivick Murthy. Great to connect with you this week and looking forward to working together. Be well, Vivek.

So then we have the response from, it's an unknown Facebook employee. We're guessing it's someone that's higher up there because they're responding to the government here. And they say this, Hi, Vivik, you may have seen this post, post today, which we issued to provide more context. We do not plan to issue more public posts, et cetera. I imagine you and your team are feeling a little aggravated. As is the Facebook team,

it's not great to be accused of killing people, but as I said by email, I'm keen to find a way to de-escalate and work together collaboratively. I'm available to meet, speak, whenever suits with my best wishes. So they're saying, hey, stop calling us killers. Like, we want to de-escalate this. You realize the president just called her company told us people were killing people? So it's not, clear when this system started but Facebook has a content request system directly for the government it's a back channel system for government reporting so you or i see a post we don't like facebook goes yeah we'll get around to it the government has a fast track system that they and if you have a government email or a law enforcement email you can use this system and there it is right

there government requests facebook processes and so the government directly has its own back portal So to say that they're not involved in curation, they have an entire back portal of Facebook. So that brings us really to one of the bigger stories of the conversation when it comes to social media. And that's Elon Musk. He has finished his Twitter takeover for billions of dollars. And one of the first things he did there, he fired a couple people, but Twitter limits content enforcement work as U.S. election looms. So this was the headline. And it says here, this is apparently the steps he's taken, detection of,

policy breaches can either be flagged by other Twitter users or detected automatically, but taking action on them requires human input and access to the dashboard tools. Those tools have been suspended since last week, the people said. Typically, this level of access is given to a group of people numbering in the hundreds, and that was initially reduced to about 15 people last week, according to two of the people who asked not to be named discussing internal issues. So a lot of people, when Elon Musk took this company over, were expecting a full release of everyone that's been banned. And he came out and said this.

Musk says Twitter will keep current bans in place through midterms. We wanted to test that. So yesterday we put out this tweet on the high wire Twitter account since the Elon Musk's Twitter takeover, which previously banned accounts have you seen reinstated. There wasn't a lot of people saying they saw a lot of accounts reinstated. I saw Stella Emmanuel, one of the frontline doctors. She had another account that was shut down. She was there for about a day.

David Ike tried to have another account. He was shut down like 24 hours. So it looks like the bans are still there and they will continue to ban. And I guess until must figures out this system. If he's even going to do that, we have our eyes on it. All right. Well, I mean, look, there's so much that you're reporting on now. And as people can see, we're shifting really through, you know, what I talked about with James.

This isn't just about vaccines anymore, folks. And no, we are not ready to go back to sleep. And no, I don't believe it's time for amnesty because these same players want you to forgive them while they continue to structure and build a jail cell around your life. So Jeffrey, incredible reporting. And it really makes me think, as I look at government back channels to Facebook, and you have to imagine all the other social media platforms have the same thing. You know, we've really got to look at ourselves and say, we are being tracked.

We are being watched by a government that's not supposed to be doing that. We're supposed to have privacy. Our privacy is disappearing. But to all of you folks out there, that depending on how your relationship is with your child, you may be saying, look, I'm going to monitor all of your social media interactions, or maybe you're saying, look, I want to teach you to be a strong citizen. You're going to self-regulate. I'm leaving that to you.

You may not be watching what your child is saying, but rest assured, the government is. Imagine in the future, should anything happen, how much do they have? have to sort of spin their own way that they've captured of things your child said, how they're interacting with their friends. You must now know that all that is being tracked, I would at least have a conversation with your child and saying, I may not be watching you, but it appears our government is. So govern yourself accordingly. All right, Jeffrey, incredible reporting this week. Thank you for that great work. Yeah, thanks, Del. All right. Well, you know, as I sat here and sometimes I'm sitting here calling for other videos,

you know, as we talk about amnesty, and I'm really excited to get into talking about Joel Saldon's farm, but I want to make this point because it is bothering me, right? Are we ready to move on? And what have we known? You know, it hit me, and one of the biggest conversations has happened over the last several weeks. We've brought it up multiple times is this recognition now that during the vaccine safety trials, they didn't test whether the vaccine could stop transmission. And I'm thinking about this because that article in the Atlantic is saying, look, the science changed. We can't blame those that passed rules and locked us down because they didn't know what was going on. It's not true. They hid it from themselves. I said they stuck their heads in the sand, but there's a thought

that is just ripping at me, and I have to share it with you. So let's remember this is what the president of Pfizer said in front of the EU just a few weeks ago. Just listen to this for a second. Was the Pfizer COVID vaccine tested on stopping the transmission of the virus before it entered the market? If not, please say it clearly. If yes, are you willing to share the data with this committee? And I really want straight answer. Yes or no, and I'm looking forward to it. Thank you very much.

Regarding the question around, did we know about stopping humanisation before it's entered the market? No. We had to really move at the speed of science to really understand what is taking place in the market. market and from that point of view we had to do everything at risk. Okay, so no, we didn't test whether this thing could stop transmission, which by definition was what we thought a vaccine was supposed to do. But this thought occurred to me. I don't know if it occurred to you, but let's just take this a step. Sometimes we hear these headlines, they go whipping by, wow, it's really crazy that they didn't know if the vaccine would stop

transmission. No, they didn't test for it. So here's what I want to say, because I've been talking to a lot of my friends throughout COVID. You know, I come from Hollywood. I was working at Paramount studios, was working at the CBS talks to the doctors before I got involved in this whole conversation. So all of my friends in Hollywood were saying, Del, they are making me take a PCR test every single day before I can go on to a stage with a celebrity or go and work behind a camera or work as the assistant director. Every day they were PCR testing in order to do your work in Hollywood. How many of you that are watching the show or have friends that had to test every day to go into a meatpacking plant? or maybe, you know, even going to school.

There were schools. They were testing children sticking an thing up their nose at least once a week. A PCR test up their nose so that they could get an education. This was happening all across the country. Everywhere when you couldn't get an airplane without something being rammed up your nose. But this idea, how many jobs, how many places, every single day? And they even said, you know what? You're going to have to pay for it yourself for some of you.

You had to pay for this stupid test, right, to test whether you were infectious or not. And it occurred to me that if you were a person that didn't like this testing, that didn't want to be tested, your job's testing you, the schools are testing your children, everybody's testing, testing, testing, testing, the one place on this earth that you could make sure you were not tested. The one place free of all testing were the vaccine trials themselves. Literally, the only place they didn't test every day, didn't test every week, was what? whether or not the vaccine in trial was working or not. I mean, do you believe how incredible that is?

Wrap your head around that. We paid billions of dollars for a vaccine, forced it on the world to say we didn't know the science. You literally went out of your way to make sure you didn't know the science. The one place you should have been testing everybody every day were those that just got this experimental vaccine to say, did you get infected? Did you get sick?

Were you in a symptomatic carrier? Could you spread it to others? They didn't want to know any of that. Or, did they know, exactly that they didn't want us to know that that vaccine would fail, that it wouldn't stop transmission. You have to know if the rest of us are having to test every single day and you're running a test to see whether or not the vaccine works and you don't do that test, you know what your outcome is. Folks, don't tell me they didn't know. Don't tell me they're innocent and I'm

supposed to forgive them. They lied to us. This is a scam. This is a fraud. And we on the high wire I've been calling it out from day one. We didn't get lucky. We read the emergency use authorization. It said we didn't know whether or not this was going to stop transmission because we didn't test for it. It was all there in the writing. We read it to you before they ever approved this for an emergency use authorization. I've had my YouTube channel shut down.

My Facebook channel shut down. I've been attacked by the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and other news agencies because we dared to say this vaccine was not going to ever stop transmission. We were right. We didn't get lucky. We didn't what is called an investigation. We didn't take experts' word for it. We didn't listen to Tony Fauci because he told us he knew the truth. We didn't let them censor Robert Malone. We brought them on the show so you could hear what they had to say, the inventor of the MRN technology. We brought Dr. Peter McCullough onto this show so that he could have the courage to be allowed to speak his mind so you could hear him and appear Corrie's. The list goes on and on. Yet still, so many of you are watching this show and funding Fox, funding CNN, funding MSMC. Do you pay a cable bill? That's right.

You're funding the lies going into your house. But are you funding us? Are you helping us that not only are bringing you the truth from day one, standing affirmally right in the middle of it and standing truthful and never bowing down and no, not getting lucky, not having to apologize, not having to ask for amnesty, are you you helping us do that? Because not only are we doing this show, do you know what we're doing, we're suing their asses off. Every time they lie, we're bringing a lawsuit. We have the greatest legal team in the world with Aaron Siri. We've won against the National Institute of Health,

CDC, FDA, Health and Human Services. Look at this, and that's just the beginning of the list. We stopped the law that was trying to allow children to vaccinate themselves in Washington, D.C., because we sued. We're spending millions of dollars every year, not only to report, to you the news, but to stop this insanity to make sure our children are not injured any longer, that people are not injured. I'm trying to make a difference in the world where the greatest team there is, the greatest investigators that allow me to sit here confidently and say, this vaccine won't stop transmission. For all of you that have donated to make this possible, let me just say how thankful I am. And for all of you that aren't, find someone that is donating

and thank them because they're saving your lives, your butts, your children. We're just the spokespeople for this. I'm just the vessel here on the high wire trying to make this happen for you. But why don't you do yourself a favor if you're one of those people out there saying, oh man, it doesn't make a difference. No matter what we do, it doesn't work. Well, every week that you watch the high wire, you have to say to yourself, well, that looked like that worked, but it probably won't work very long.

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because I've got nowhere else to go. If we lose these conversations, if we just accept that the one battle is won, but we're going to let this tidal wave come, whether it's our food or our banking and what's coming on, if we want to be blind to stick our heads in the sand, you can go right ahead, I'm going to fight till the end, but I need your help. We need more and more equipment. We need more and more power. We need to bring more and more lawsuits. And you are the ones that make that possible. This is the informed consent action network. You're that network. Thank you for everyone that's making this possible. And for all of you that are going to join this week, get ready for the ride. You're going to be on the front row watching all of it and able to say, I did that.

if I did that. When we talk about this farming and the idea of what James brought to us, this crippling effect that trying to reduce nitrogen around the world and say that they're moving in an organic direction when I don't believe that. Bill Gates isn't buying up all of the land as the NGO that James talked about. He's not buying up all the land across America because he wants to organically farm. He wants to sell us impossible burgers that are made with chemicals that were not even allowed to know what's in them.

He believes in Monsanto and spraying deadly cancerous chemicals all over. He wants to block out the sun. We're up against that. But I want to be perfectly clear because there's some gray areas here. Yes, for those of you, this might be hard to hear. I'm an environmentalist. I still am. I always will be. I want clean air that doesn't poison me. I want clean food that doesn't have toxic chemicals all through it. I want clean water that doesn't only have all of the pills and drugs that are being pushed in the world and pissed into the urinals and back into my water supply. I don't want the fluoride. I want crystal clear water. I want my children be able to throw a fishing line into any lake, any river, into the ocean,

bring in that beautiful fish and eat it without concern that they're poisoning themselves. And until we're at that point, folks, we've got work to do. But I'm not for the environmentalism that's going to use carbon credit scores and tracking systems to decide what I can and cannot eat whether or not I can and cannot farm. That is not the approach. But I will say this. I do think there are places where nitrogen is running into rivers and destroying fishing and our food supply.

There's something we can do about it. Maybe not overnight. I've had Zach Bush on this show that has a lot of great ideas on how we can do things in a better way. There are better ways forward. So it doesn't mean we've got to be so polarized. We're not allowed to talk about the environment because if you talk about the environment, that means you're part of the global system.

Don't you want clean air, clean food, clean water? What about this? What if instead of the animals contaminating the earth, which sometimes they can do if there's too much urine and feces going into a river, it can happen? There are pig farms causing problems, but there are pig farms that aren't. There are farms where the animals are actually saving our planet,

are re-fertilizing the earth. There's a guru that is a part of this movement. I've been running into him as I speak all over this country. His name is Joel Salatin. And he is putting together these ideas, a way to be an environmentalist that actually grows our food supply, that gives us healthy food. And not just artificial food made in laboratories under fluorescent lighting, but actually that it grows under the sun, giving us that sun energy processed and into our bodies. This is what he looks like when I'm running into him onto him. Please welcome Joel Salatin.

He's a hero of mine and a hero of a lot of us on the food team. He's a farmer, lecturer, and author. He's a self-acclaimed Christian libertarian, environmentalist, capitalist, lunatic farmer. Salatin raises livestock using holistic methods of animal husbandry on his farm in Virginia. Man of the farm, the superhero of the soil, the future of our food, the servant of the salad, the man of the meat. We live on a farm that has four generations living, living on it. It's quite dramatic, it's quite amazing, and we grow our own food. I feel like we just live in this nest of abundance. According to the USDA, this is unsanitary because it's open

to the air. They tried to close us down. It's one of the biggest showdowns we have. Those of us that are out in the trenches, it's not a friendly world out there. You know, our neighbors think we're bioterrorists because we don't vaccinate our cows. The environmentalists don't get us because, You know, we're actually, we call ourselves environmentalists, but we're actually farming. I thought farming destroyed the environment. The most common question that I get asked, and probably many of you, by naysayers, is, that all sounds real nice, but can we really feed the world? And if every farm in North America would do this in fewer than 10 years,

we would sequester all the carbon that's been emitted since the beginning of the industrial age. That's how fast this can work. The pandemic is the best marketing strategy we've ever seen. We're having the best season we've ever had. It's the industrial mega system that's cracking. As we have pulled away from handling food, from domestic culinary arts, we have become profoundly ignorant about food.

So what happens is this profound lack of knowledge about food, Lack of culinary domestic arts has moved our culture into fearing food. The food safety people. I call them the food police, who for the first time in human history have told a culture that you know it's perfectly safe to eat mountain dew, twinkies, and cocoa puffs. But that raw milk, compost grown tomatoes, and Aunt Matilda's pickles, now that's deadly. Farmers are not afraid to work with the landscape. come with healing hands and come alongside this creation as a co-labourer, as a helper, as a

as a salve, see, to redeem that broken landscape and atone for all the depredations that our ancestors have done. Well, Joel is just an amazing, brilliant mind. I have been so blessed to get to spend many hours with him and dinners around the country as he's been sharing his information and I've been sharing mine. But I really wanted to take the opportunity because I kept hearing about this farm he had. So I wanted to go and roll up my sleeves

and really get into what I believe is the future of farming. And in many ways, it's the past. It's bringing those two things together. When I see these stories in the Netherlands, when I see this attack upon farmers, when they're saying it's farmers that are poisoning our earth, farmers are responsible for global warming, literally the backbone of humanity.

the original job of feeding us. These people have been here since the dawn of man. And I refuse to believe that the food substances, the eggs and the milk and the meat and the bread, that's what's bad for us? The things that have been in every culture around the planet, let's outlaw them and start eating synthetic meats and things made in laboratories.

It can't possibly be right. There is a better way. I want to warn you that in this trip, I did it all. I got my hands dirty. It was a very hard day. And at the end of this piece, I will end up slaughtering a turkey. Some of the turkeys that you could even buy for Thanksgiving, we're going to tell you how to do that. But for those of you that have kids, and maybe you want to hide from where their food actually comes from. I'm warning you now. You have the first probably three quarters of this discussion. But in the end, that is going to be a part of it because it's part of

farming. And we should all know where our food comes from. And boy, you should be praying. You're food comes from somewhere as beautiful as Pali face farms. Here's Dell. There, everybody. How you all doing? My wire. This is the farmer in a Dell. That's right.

We're really thrilled to have him here today and he's going to jump in a little bit and work with us some. So this is everyone. This is our group. It's a Monday, it's a new day and it's exciting to be here and have you here. We're really thankful. Good. Lily and Justin are broilers. They're ready to go with you. Okay. And so they're ready to roll and then you go do eggmobile.

Yeah, I'll do eggmobile. So I'll go ahead and take the tractor up with us. Okay, sounds good. All right. Okay, sounds good. Sounds good. Sounds good. So you guys up there. Ready? Yeah. Okay, still move some chickens. All right. I got to move all these shelters. So the deal is, stick it under here and you, you kind of step, and you just use this, slip, slip, slip it right under like that. And then you go around and you, and then you go around and here. here, take out the feeder. We're just going to pull it, pull it forward, and the chickens just walk on the ground. Away from yesterday's manure, they get their betting change, new salad bar every day. Take that up and just stick, stick it in the bottom of that. Yep, there you go. Yep. Yep. Okay. That's good. That's good. Yeah, you don't want to go too far.

fast either just go go nice and nice and gently so they can move on yep you're doing good you're doing good you're doing good i got two more to go you just move some 150 chickens well done that's good Joel Saladin it is such an honor pleasure to be here with you polyface farms have visited several times i've been wanting to get the crew out here to just check out this incredible idea this future futuristic, yes, yet retrospective approach towards farming. Yeah, well, it's great to have you. What a blessing, and I'm thrilled that you're here. Well, look, you know, I have a bunch of questions, actually.

You and I run to each other on different speaking engagements, and, you know, you cover a lot of issues about, you know, the farming that you're doing. A lot of farmers are out there, ranchers are starting to, you know, shift their thinking on how they're approaching farming. And I guess at the heart of it really is a conversation, I think, that's really driving attention to what you're doing, which is the environment, right? Global warming. And as we're hearing this attack really on ranching farm, we've got to end all beef production. Right. And because it's just creating CO2, all of this. I just find it astounding that the heart of America, especially the cowboy, the ranch, what establishes what we have here, that this is the country that's going to get rid of all of it. that to save the earth. What is your just your general thought of the well my my first my first thought is

that boy only a country as rich and luxurious as ours could sit around and and actually talk about whether you should eat a chicken or not right you know our ancestors if you could trap it shoot it catch it that you know what whatever, then you lived another day. Right. And so only in a fat, wealthy, luxuriant culture like ours, do we have the luxury of sitting around and saying, I wonder if we should eat a chicken or a pig or a squirrel or a rabbit or a cow.

So it's an amazing illustration of how disconnected we are, how mentally, spiritually, emotionally, how disconnected we are from our ecological umbilical that we can actually think that we can levitate to some place where we're not totally dependent on this ecological womb on this umbilical that we have you know i love going to williamsburg in jamestown my favorite part of james town is not actually the jamestown part it's the palatan village next to it and you go there and you see these this lattice work with with you know like buffalo hides spread over you know these little the little houses and and they hung all their food up in the lattice work and of course it got smoked you know they had a fire and smoke would so you imagine lying there with your beloved you're looking up here

into this lattice work of hanging you know squash and venison and this stuff and and it's it you're that whatever that intimate with not only the the abundance and so you're thankful to to the creator for provision, thank you, all right. But at the same time, this is it. You know, there's no Walmart, there's no, there's no Sam's Club, you know, this is it. And so both the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the recognition of provision balanced with the dependency. I think that, that's a, that's a good sense. So I think a lot of this has just come because we're so well provisioned in this country that you know it makes you it makes you squirrely into thinking you know i remember you know when you say that i remember back in high school in boulder colorado which is like

you know an environmental mecca liberal progressive thinking there's a lot of loved about it i don't want to put it all down but we had a we had an exchange student that was in from norway that was with us the whole year and remember it coming to the end of the year like i had had like a social studies class or something with him. And the teacher asked him, what did you really find interesting about America? And he said, I think the thing I find the most interesting is that it appears that most of the people that I've met in this country actually believe that chicken and beef are delivered in cellophane.

That you really are under this impression that this is how it comes to you on earth. Like you don't look in the eyes of your animals. Right. You're not involved with your animals. animals and there's just this detachment to and he's like and i see all these discussions about vegetarian meat and all this but all of it's disconnected i don't where are your grain fields where are your yeah he's like i just don't see any interconnection with your food supply yeah and i just thought we're all like what's he talking about you know what i mean i kind of labs like yeah yeah

but the more and more i think about it we've been so detached right from our natural um symbiosis or or experience with our environment, our land, and our animals. Yeah, our tactile, visceral interconnection with it, that the notion, that the whole notion of seasons and cycles. I mean, I was reading a report that was just saying that with food shortages, Walmart might be out of strawberries for two weeks in February. And I'm thinking, out of strawberries for two weeks in February.

No. Bill, winter, where are my strawberries? We only eat strawberries like two months a year in the spring. That's when they're in, you know. And so we eat a bunch of strawberries. And then later the raspberries come in. And then later the blackberries come in. And then I was speaking at this really high class private school in Atlanta, a bunch of middle.

I had 300 middle schoolers, you know, so this is seventh, eighth grade. And I asked the whole, I asked them, I said, all right, I'm going to just ask you a question. Can anybody give me three vegetables that you have to, that you have to weigh? to plant after frost that if frost hits them they die nothing you know complete complete silence finally you know this one guy you raised corn I said yeah good good all right then another girl you know she raised your hand peppers okay somebody else then finally you know raised your hand tomatoes but this is a long it was a long tease you know to get response I said maybe I asked the wrong question how about let's flip it around

what can you plant that can handle frost you know that that's okay to handle frost same three they probably all had home gardens right and you know cabbage broccoli you know lettuce good i said and so you know this took this took like over five minutes you know in an assembly that's a long part of your speech you know when you burn up that much time i said all right well maybe i ask a wrong question again let me ask another one how many of you can name all three of the kardashian girls and the whole place just erupted in patagon cow and so i let everything it took five minutes to get them all calm down. I said, now, let me ask you something. Which, which question do you think is more important to know the answer to? Yeah. You know, and they all just

got really, because they got it. They got it in a heartbeat like that. And I think that that speaks of where we are in our culture that, that this idea that, well, I'm not, I'm not going to, I'm not going to eat meat, you know, as if I've evolved to some new, new, evolved to some new spiritual plane of sacredness, you know, that I'm not going to, no, actually, it's a devolution to a regressive place of disconnection. In order for something to live, something has to give its life for it. There's nothing more profound in that than a compost pile. You know, a compost pile, stuff that was living. It dies. Microbes eat it all up and microbes eat microbes and they digest it all. So you got life, death, decomposition, and then regeneration. That feeds the soil life to grow a new

bunch of life. And so this life, death, decomposition, regeneration, life death, decomposition, regeneration. That is such a foundational element of our understanding of our place and our role in this whole ecological system. And we just don't, we don't participate in that. We don't participate. I've thought, I mean, even when I was an environmentalist, I mean, I still am on, it's hard to say that word, right? Sure. I want clean air. I want clean water.

I want clean foods. That's right. I don't believe in being enslaved around some carbon tax space to, you know. know, whatever that. But I remember thinking that it's really this question of whether humans are natural, like are a part of nature. There seems to be this progression throughout time where we saw ourselves in the animal world. And then at some point, I think religion actually had a big part to do with it.

Like, well, if we're creating the image and likeness of God, then we're separate from the rest of the natural world. It seemed dangerous to me. And I think we're getting to the end of that where, We do not see ourselves as a part of the natural world. And ironically, the environmentalist that they will argue that we're not paying attention to ecology and this is Mother Earth and all of this, yet are the same ones that don't want me eating meat, don't want me connecting with the animals, don't want, they want everything happening in a chemical lab somewhere. And they're separating me even further out. Like there's a real, you know, which is why I don't even use the word environmentalist anymore. It's totally crazy and bonkers and confused.

Well, that's why, you know, I created a moniker for myself, Christian libertarian, environmentalist, capitalist lunatic. It just to have fun with the box, you know, that you don't box the end. Not one of these words fully explains you. No, no, that's right. That's right. It's a good one. You know, and so to that, to that respect, I think that as we have moved through that, that disconnective phase, it has thrown. own gasoline on the reality that we have done a lot of abuse agriculturally. I mean, the history of the human experience is generally not one of good earth stewardship. Every civilization grew in fertility, used up its fertility, basically exploited it for short-term gain. You know, Sir Albert Howard

said the temptation of every civilization to take what nature spent a thousand, and years creating and turn it into cash. If you're an intentional thinking person, you do have this, I want to repent in sackcloth and ashes for all that my ancestors have done. Right. Because you look at, you know, I mean, we have, you know, infertile frogs, three-legged salamanders, a dead zone the size of Rhode Island and the Gulf of Mexico. You know, I get that.

So let's repent. Okay. I get it. But what's the response to that is the response that, oh, well, well, I can't touch. nature you know we call it environmentalism by abandonment or is it okay well let's roll up our sleeves and say okay we damaged it we heard it now can we use our mechanical ability opposing thumbs and our intellectual capacity and can we become healers instead of herders armors and so that's what we've tried to

bring here to the farm is can we take agriculture and invert all this historical abuse, abuse and disrespect, that we've foisted upon our womb, and can we nurture it? And agriculturally, this whole thing is expressed, I think, in mainland agriculture, as nature is a reluctant partner. You know, I have to get it in a half, Nelson, I've got to make you grow me soybeans or corn.

I'm going to make you... Well, I think nature is a bitch. I mean, that's what we say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are under attack by nature. Yeah, exactly. There's nothing close to a balance. Yeah, we are simply at war with nature.

I mean, a lot of this stuff that I get into with vaccines, and we're not going to get into all that, but the whole space that I live in, it is literally medicine at, it describes itself as at war with nature. Yeah. We're in a war with nature, and one day we're going to win, and anybody that's injured by us moving to, fast, they're putting out drugs or vaccines, they're dangerous.

They literally, if you really drill down with them, we'll say, it's a casualty of the world we're in. We're at a war with nature, and that's an accepted casualty. So very much the same. Externalized costs, externalized costs are just part of collateral damage. Whereas I view nature as a benevolent lover that simply wants to be caressed in the right places. So I'm asking, how do we caress this? This is not a scarce place.

It's an abundant place. It wants to give back. way more than we can ever imagine. But we have to respect it. We have to honor it. And we have to ask what is right for you. Let's just take a step by step. So your parents bought this beautiful farm back in 1961.

I was four. And was their goal to, were they organic farmers? Yes. I mean, was that. Yes. So my dad was an accountant, a business, administration. And his father, my grandfather, was a chartered subscriber to Rodale's Organic Gardening and Farming Magazine in 1948 when it came out. He always had a big compost pile. And

a lot of people don't realize that post-World War II, there was a real tug-of-war in this country whether we would go biological or chemical. Are we going to go biological or chemical? And so the countries are at a real tug-of-war. But, you know, World War II, it killed a lot of farm boys. And so here were farmers waiting for their sons to come back and they came back, didn't come back or came back maimed. And Sir Albert Howard had written by that time in agricultural testament, which for the first time created the scientific recipe for aerobic compost, which is carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, water, and microbes in a certain ratio, all right? And that's what he, and he presented that to the world in 1943.

which is kind of considered the foundation of biological, non-chemical agriculture. But the world was, of course, preoccupied in 1943. And we didn't have the carbon-based infrastructure to metabolize a carbon, a decomposition biologically founded fertility program at that time. We didn't have tractors with front-end loaders. We didn't have black plastic pipe to deliver water to a compost pile and keep the moisture right. We didn't have chainsaws. Chainsawls were not really perfected until 1957.

And so like any innovation, Sir Albert Howard's gift to the world of the scientific recipe for compost in 1943 could not be leveraged because there was not. Technologies to make that plausible. We didn't have the, yeah, we didn't have exactly the infrastructure to be able to leverage it. And it took about 20 years for the chainsaw, chippers, black plastic pipe, PTO-powered manure spreaders, the on-farm carbon kind of component to come together. And in that 20 years, of course, I mean, think about it. You know, you're a 50-year-old farmer waiting for your sons to come back from the war. They don't come back.

You've been shoveling, shoveling, shoveling, shoveling, shoveling, shoveling, shoveling, shoveling, all your life and somebody comes to you with a bag of 101010 10 10 10 anymore farm John 10 10 10 10 10 10 NPK chemical fertilizer okay a bag of which was left started yeah which was left over from you know you make bombs out of npk nitrogen potassium and phosphorus okay what you make bombs out of so the World War I World War II financed the refining the distribution the bagging the marketing that you know it finance this entire NPK chemical industry. It was almost like when the world restarted post-World War 2 and somebody shot the gun, the chemical had a head start.

It's just been funded by wars. It has nothing to do now. There's no war. We're going to do with all this stuff. Let's start pouring it on the ground and charging farmers for it. It's like Van Dan Shiva says, she says, we're still wearing the bombs of World War II in our kitchens. Wow. That's exactly what we're doing. And so you're a 50-year-old farmer waiting for sons to come back for war and somebody offers you this little back you don't have to shovel anymore farmer John you just you just put this on and everything's fine be be gentle on old grandpa that's what I'm saying yeah you know us in the same city maybe we would have done the same thing but but then in 20 years now there's no

excuse but by that time the chemical industry had taken over the land grant universities they'd taken over the USDA I call it the US Duh they've taken over all this and we have this whole idea of TV dinners, velvita cheese, convenience foods, simulac, infamil, don't breastfeed, you know, just, and so we had this early love affair with convenience, technology, you know. Which also ironically took the woman that was raising the kids and raised the family, put her to work. Yeah.

If we were going to have TV dinners where meals are already been made, mom doesn't have to do it, the kids on simulac, you don't have to breastfeed. But during that time, the whole food industry. move to convenience and shelf stability. The more shelf stable you make something, the less it'll rot. Well, if it won't rot, it won't digest. And so we got Velvita cheese.

You know, if you can squeeze cheese on your table and walk away from it for a year and it doesn't mold and doesn't do anything, it probably won't digest in your body, right? Real cheese, put on the table, walk away, two days it's fuzzy, three days it sprouts legs and walks off the table, right? I mean, real cheese.

So this whole idea of convenience coupled with shelf stable and long shelf life. You know, tomatoes, tomatoes, the ones in the store, they're not cultivars selected for nutrition, taste. It's all about can it bounce around in the back of a truck, a thousand miles from California to South Dakota, you know. Utterly flavorless. At this point, a tomato. Yeah, it's like cardboard. It is. It's like cardboard.

Nothing to do it. That's right. That's right. Supposedly, this is the original tropical tomato cultivar from Peru, which all of our domestic tomatoes come from. They're called current tomatoes. They are out of this world delicious. They literally just explode in your mouth.

What time of year do they start growing in here? As soon as the chickens come out. And as soon as the chickens... They're all summary of this... Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Of course, you know, we never pick them all. Right.

the seeds fall on the ground. The chickens are in here in the winter and they of course incorporate everything into the ground and so when the chickens come out in the spring we just we clean out the compost the bedding under the chickens but there's still plenty of seeds left as you can see in the seed bank they just come back and this has been coming back like just for 25 years never replanted. Aren't you afraid of eating these without washing them or dipping them in chlorine or no? No. No? The average American has not had real food like this. Yeah, I've never tasted to me like that, I swear.

Yeah. Well, as we started here on the farm and saw, you know, what we were dealing with, Dad having this environmental mystique as an accountant and thinking about the business, he realized philosophically that the chemical approach was a treadmill. It was like a drug addiction. He called it a drug addiction. And this is before drugs were a big deal. This is in the 1960s.

He said, you can't run fast enough to chemically buy your way into fertility faster than the indebtedness to keep buying the fertility. Well, man, think about where we are today when a farmer thinks that his or her fertility is dependent on something outside the farm, when suddenly fertilizer jumps two, three, four times, and suddenly, you know, all the farmers are, oh, no. Just like we're seeing all around the world, which is why I was so excited to get to talk to you about this. And we've had side conversations. You know, we've had the rancher Shad on our show

talking to us about how there was this, you know, here in America, they were told that we just can't get nitrogen because of the war in the Ukraine is not coming here. I'm starting to question that, whether we're just getting a different story. because in other countries, the Netherlands, I mean, there are tractors blocking highways now because of the nitrogen reduction being demanded by whatever environmental regulations that the government's passing. Sri Lanka is, you know, storming capitals at this point because they thought they were on the road supposedly to reducing this nitrogen level fertilizers, trying to get to a more environmentally friendly, sustainable, organic, all these things. And yet the world seems to be falling apart.

Our food supply is disappearing. And as you're saying, whether the government mandates it on you or if it's true, it just doesn't come because that's coming from a different country, farmers are finding themselves like the energy situation in the UK and Europe where they're about to have no heating through the winter. Farmers have got no ability to afford to make the food that we're planning on eating next season. Well, both of those countries are dramatic illustrations of how nuanced this whole. discussion is. Sri Lanka, they had an economic problem and so they didn't want to, they didn't want to buy the nitrogen anymore. They jumped off the cliff overnight. Well, biology. So their politicians said, they said, let's make it sound like we're being organic,

but we ours were being cheap because we can't afford it. Exactly, exactly. Interesting. Exactly. So they didn't do it because they wanted to be organic. They did it because they ran out of money. And so the thing to remember is that biology, if you're going to run a biological system, The biological time clock cannot be speeded up but so fast. You've got a wound on your hand. I do indeed. You cut your finger. Okay.

You could want that to heal as fast as you could possibly want it to, but it's going to heal on its own time. And so Sri Lanka, could they do this? Absolutely. But it takes some time. It takes some time to get the biology awakened up after the chemical has destroyed it. In the Netherlands, the Dutch used to, you know, they had colonies all over the world. And they still leverage those, you know, Paraguay, Uruguay, all that.

And so the Netherlands still has these legacy relationships that they bring in all this grain from around the world. And of course, everything is almost everything in the Netherlands. All the animals are inside. Now they're not as big as our barns here in the U.S., but they're still all inside. The point is they're bringing in so much animal feedstock that they're overriding their their womb's carrying capacity for the waste product. In fact, the last time I was there, they were dehydrating the manure, so the grain came

from Uruguay, then they dehydrated the manure, put it in the same boat and sent it back to Uruguay for fertilizer. That's not a sustainable system. Think about this. All of the great fertile soils on the planet were not built with chemical fertilizer. They were not built with giant deer tractors. They were not built with shipping nitrogen, all right? How were they built?

They were built with decomposing organic matter, most of them under prairies, the bison, the wildebeests on the Serengeti, the megafauna of the outer Mongolia. I mean, go around the planet, the deep soils all were under prairies. with herbivores being chased by prey, there was movement. There were rest periods, exercise periods, there were disturbance periods, and fire. And natives used fire.

And so what is nature's template? How does nature build soil? And we realized, well, number one, we got to reduce tillage. We got to reduce plowing. Because plowing, it takes the clothing off the soil, all right, and exposes the soil to nakedness and then you get all this erosion.

And then, you know, animals, animals move. And so we started moving the cows around. Well, guess what? Can we supplement? Can we supplement the carbon? So then we dialed back to, you know, composting, which is basically just a clever human way to stimulate, to facilitate natural decomposition,

but we just collect the ingredients, put them together, and what would normally take two years now takes, nine months, for example. That's basically what composting is. Instead of buying fertilized, we bought a big industrial chipper, and we began doing this large-scale composting. And so now, you know, our first soil samples were, you know, 1% organic matter. Today, we're over 8% organic matter. And guess what? At 4% organic matter, there is a freestanding microbe in the soil called an azotabacter, azotabacter bacteria, that at 4% organic matter, it comes out of dormancy, becomes

active, and it will pull out 100 pounds of nitrogen per acre per year out of the atmosphere. Wow. But it only kicks in at 4%. There are very few agricultural soils in the U.S. today that are 4%. Naturally, most of them were in the 8 to 10% range. If there's sandy, it might be lower. But that's an example of how when you create, when you change that biological ecosystem, the habitat, the habitat. You know, in us it's called the microbiome.

Right. Out here, it's called the ecosystem, all right? But when you massage that to full functionality, you start getting symbiosis and synergism, not hurdles. Which is caressing Mother Nature versus fighting. Yeah, I'll give you another example. This is a great one too. They say the cows, you know, they're burping and they're farting and they're going to, you know, destroy the planet. Because again, a freestanding microbe in the soil called methanotrophic bacteria.

Methanotrophic bacteria. Now the first part of that, methane. Methaneotrophic bacteria. So this is a freestanding microbe that grabs methane and pulls it into the soil. It does not live under corn, does not live under soybeans, it does not live under wheat, rye, or barley, or sugar cane, or any of the crops the USDA subsidizes and insurers. It lives under perennial polycultures, perennial prairie-type polycultures, healthy pastures, not overgrazed pastures, healthy pastures. It doesn't live under asphalt, doesn't live in feedlots, but under healthy pasture. These microbes will reach out and they will metabolize the amount of methane generated by a thousand cows per acre.

Wow. There's always ever going to have a thousand cows on an acre. Right. Okay. But those are the kind of things that, you know, cowspiracy and what the health and these other documentaries that want everybody to turn into a vegan, they don't analyze these. They don't go to the positive things. that built the soil in the first place. Our soils were not built with 10, 10, 10.

They were not built with Russian fertilizer. They were not built with John Deere tractors. They were built with animal movement and all these amazing microbes that were synergistic to what was going on terrestrially and moving them. So we said, well, what about the animals? Will the animals, you know, in nature the animals move?

They're not in a stationary house. They actually have legs. Just before, when you get in, I know you know Zach Bush, and one of the fascinating things that when I interviewed him, we were talking about global warming, CO2, and, you know, he laid out numbers. The ocean is absorbing so what CO2, and, you know, green trees and plants are. He says, but the greatest absorption of CO2 is the soil. Yes. And we've killed the soil all over the planet. That's right.

lungs of our planet that can take that in and transform it. The stomach of our planet is dead. The lungs of the planet is the soil. Yes, trees, yes that, but you don't get trees respirating if you don't have the microbiome and the mycelium in the soil doing its work. And so what happened in the 1970s is we started to poison the microbiome of the soil systems and create dirt on a scale that is now, again, back then, unbelievable. But the current estimates are that 97% of the arable farmland in the world has now been depleted or severely depleted,

which means 97% of the lungs of the earth are now in its end stage of emphysema. There is no surface area left. The carbon is supposed to be in the soil, and all over the planet, agriculture has taken this rich endowment that was bequeathed to us of, of carbon, organic matter. I mean, they're not identical, but they're kissing cousins, okay? Has, that nature bequeathed this, and we have burned it out with tillage, with chemical fertilizers, with monocultures. And monocultures, that mean just farming the same thing over and over again?

Yeah, yeah. It's fields of one thing, as opposed to multiple things. You know, native prairie in the U.S., an acre had up to 40, 50 different plants in it, a variety of plants. It wasn't just soybeans or corn or wheat or whatever. And so, you know, that needs to be, that needs to be done very, very judiciously. And when you begin developing this organic matter, what happens is all this latent bacteria, all these microbes, all this biology, earthworms, earthworms don't eat 10, 10, 10 chemical fertilizer. They eat vegetation. They eat vegetation. They decaying material and so we started moving the animals around adding the

compost and all that and guess what now these big saucer-shaped rock areas that I remember as a kid they've all got 12 inches of soil on them 12 inches of soil now it's not it's not three feet like it was you know 500 years ago but it's it's there so yeah so if you if you come out here just just just look at the You know, look at the density. All right. And so you see, see, all, see, these are all earthworm castings. Look at that.

A little mounds here. Yeah, yeah, see that's. So that's brand new soil that just got built. But you can see that the entire, see the, look, there's a big hole. There's a big wormhole right there. Look at that big hole. That's a, yeah. And so, you know, so when it rains hard, that rain just pours right down that hole and you don't get runoff.

Yeah. That's where this organic matter is. You get more organic matter holds more and more water. Look at the thickness of this, you know, the thickness of the vegetation. Trust me, no raindrop, no raindrop hits that soil. You know, by the time it hits this, it actually shatters into just a fog by the time it gets down to the soil. And this whole mound here is a casting, that whole, that whole mound there. And it's dry right now, you know.

But anyway, as a culture, we're brain damaged on grass. Because only grass people think, I think lawn, football field, soccer field, golf course. They're not thinking this kind of volume. Right. There's a lot of biomass here. A lot of biomass. In fact, we had so little soil when dad started with the electric fence, we didn't have enough soil to hold up electric fence stakes.

And it doesn't take much soil to hold up an electric fence stake. So he poured concrete, went to town, got old junk car tires, poured concrete in it, pushed a half inch pipe down. And I've still got some of them around here. And my brother and I, we were little kids, you know, but he would pile these up on the tractor platform, drive real slow through the field. And the two of us, we could, you know, kind of heave them all. off, you know. Then you go back and stick electric fence stakes in them, put up electric fence,

move the cows around. When I think of ranching, I think of, I just, I see a giant hillside or valley with just cows speckled all across it. You don't do it that way. No. Contrast that with when you see a documentary on nature about the Serengeti, what strikes you about that serengett. The migration of the wildebeest? I would say right away if wildebeests were spread out of nicely across the giant valley. They're going to be eaten by lions, hyenas, and everything you think about it is they run from it, they run at it.

Even when there's a lion attacks, you see they all attack as a giant, packed, herd altogether. That's right. Safety in numbers. That's right. Zebras, same thing. Zebras, you don't see a zebra over there

and a zebra. No, they're, why? Because the lion, when he looks at all those zebras and it's a mob, he can't distinguish. If you've ever raised chickens and you have a couple of them get out, you can't catch two. You've got to concentrate on one.

to get it. They'll make a fool out of you, you know. I'm going to catch these two at the same time. No, not. You'll never get them. So the mob is, is fuzzy, literally fuzzy, to the eyes of a predator. So the mob, the mob is the critical thing. We've got to mob them up. In nature, herbivores, they move, they mob, and they mow. They move, they mob, they mow.

Okay, mow, you know, grace. Yeah. Move, mob, mow. So how can we duplicate that? With portable high-tech, high-tech electric fencing, a single little strand, we can literally steer a herd of hundreds, thousands, across a landscape with the same precision as a zero-turned mower on a golf course. Wow. Just steer them across. So we can get that mob, that mob effect, and we can move them.

No, you can't eat this clover plant today. you get that tomorrow, thank you very much. You know, you can't have it today. And we can literally move these around and they're mowing. They're not eating chicken manure and feathers and all this. This electric netting is really high-tech. This is face-age stuff.

We didn't have this even 50 years ago. It's very, very new. Has a metallic thread woven through this poly. The verticals are just polyethylene, which is very, nothing but then the metal threads woven through the horizontal carry spark and that spark keeps the animals in and it keeps predators out and you know 150 feet of it only weighs about 12 pounds one person can you know take it up and and lay it back out in about 10 minutes so when people say oh this is nice this is you this

is the way grandpa did it no grandpa would give it his eye teeth for this kind of stuff we are not anti-technology or Luddites but we do do want to use technology that enables us to handle the animals like they were in nature, moving around on pasture, almost better than they could in nature. So the turkey flock, it's functioning just like a wild turkey flock in that it's moving. And so that increases the production per acre, increases the amount of biomass that's actually used. And it allows the animal to be in a habitat that mimics its very, very natural habitat as opposed to being locked up in a people-particulate building.

When scientists started 40 years ago or whatever it was, you know, taking us to stake dinners to teach us this new way of feeding cows where we grind up dead cows, we feed it back to cows. We could possibly go wrong. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We were all told, you know, and when our family didn't embrace it, we were, you know, what Are you Luddites?

You hate science. You hate progress. No. We looked around the planet and said, where does an herbivore eat carrion? And we couldn't find it. We didn't know there would be bovine spongiform ocephalopathy. All we knew was there was not a natural template.

People that maybe don't know what that means, like mad cow really, it's the same disease you would get by cannibalism, right? Cannibals have the same thing. If you eat human beings, you can get weird in the head. Yeah, weird in the head, yeah. If you learn to say bovine spongiform encephalopathy, it makes you sound smarter.

Sure does. I'll work on it. Practice in front of a mirror first. All right. So as we looked at this, we realized, okay, moving, mobbing, mowing. And so that's what we developed here. And we realize that 98% of the herbivores, of the livestock, of the livestock in the world, violates one of those, and some of them all three.

You know, in a feedlot, a Tyson chicken house, they're not moving. Well, I guess they are mobbed up, but they're not getting the benefit of a mob. And they're certainly not mowing. And so what we want to do is not violate any of those three, moving, mobbing, mowing. And we call this mob stocking herbivorous solar conversion, lignified carbon sequestration, fertilization. That sounds intelligent, too. Yeah, yeah, it does. I practiced it in front of a mirror so I can, I can.

it. But the combination of in situ carbon through composting, the animal movement, the multi-speciation, we never planted a seed, we never planted a seed. And we haven't bought a bag of chemical fertilizer in 60 years. And today we went from the armpit of the community to arguably, well, you know, in Augusta County, the average cow days per acre is 80, a cow day. So an acre of in Augusta County will support one cow for 80 days a year or 80 cows for one day. All right. All right. Yeah.

We're averaging 400 cow days per acre. Wow. Okay. Five times the county average. And I'm not saying that pridefully or bragging. I'm saying it humbly with tears in my eyes realizing this is an abundant planet. This is not a place where the creator said, suck it up, kid, no, it's going to be tough.

Right. No, it's a place of exhilarating abundance and provision. And that's what we need to be after. And so imagine if that guy would do it and that guy would do it and that guy, you know, we can't imagine the amount. And guess what? As you hit, then we went from 1% now back then to now 8% organic matter. Well, then the azotabacter wakes up.

Oh, now we get free nitrogen. The metatrophic bacteria wakes up. oh okay now we're you know now we're metabolizing the methane and and all this works together including the fact that one percent increase in organic matter organic matter is spongy think about compost right it's like a sponge right one pound holds four pounds of water it's real spongy so every one percent increase in organic matter increases water holding capacity by 20,000 gallons per acre Wow.

Per acre. Went from 1% to 8% to 8%. That's 7 clicks, 7% times 20,000 gallons, if you're quick with math, it's 140,000 gallons of water per acre today that we can hold that we couldn't half a century ago. That's remarkable. That's remarkable, which means going into a drought, things stay green longer, and if you get a rainstorm, flood, whatever, you get to hold a lot more water. I like to think of the soil, you know, people don't think of the soil.

Nobody takes their shower, getting ready to go to work in the morning, and thinks about the soil. But I do, and I like to think of the soil as a cathedral. Think about the most beautiful, magnificent cathedral you've ever seen. It's got all these little rooms, and it's got little, you know, vestibules up in the third and fourth chancery. And the microbes in the soil, the bacteria and all these beings, at nine billion per double handful, They're slogging through, they're walking through these chambers and they're making a trade here and they're picking up here and they're, you know, one's finding an enemy here and eating it and the other one's, you know, pooping it out in this chamber. And it's just this amazing world of cathedrals. And the more rooms you have, the more space you have in that cathedral, the better your soil is. And that's what compost does.

Compost brings the cathedral rooms to the soil aggregate. The glomolin. Glamin was only discovered like 30 years ago. But that's this glue, this aggregate. It makes good soil look like cottage cheese. That's what you're looking for. You don't want it to be a compressed clay, you know, hard thing. You want it to actually have structure.

And I like to call that. That's my soil cathedral. I just love that. I love the idea. So I have a question. Polyface. How does that, where does that name come from? Well, so when I came back to the farm and we wanted to, you know, create the business,

we originally submitted interface. I wanted to be interface. Riparian, forestal, and open land. Forestal, water, open. You know, one of the three great environments interface. Well, we submitted it to the State Corporation Commission, and there was already an interface in Virginia, and so we couldn't have that. So dad, dad comes out, I'm milking the cow.

We're, you know, we're milked a couple Guernsey's. And so I'm sitting there milking a cow. He says, as SEC said we can't be an interface. I'm sitting there, oh, man. I said, well, if we can't be interfaced, let's be, let's be mini face, polyface. You know, many face. And we both liked it. It stuck.

And so we became the farm of many faces. You know, we envisioned a place where there were a lot of people, people faces. polyface environments, many environments, many species, multiple enterprises, you know, that we envisioned that we would not just grow cows or chickens, we'd grow a lot of different kinds of things, different enterprises, so that whole poly thing just fit, so polyface. One of the things I've liked is, you know, when I was visiting your farm, you said my animals work for me. They work the land.

They're my tools. That's right. Yeah, so I'll give you an example. So we're moving the cows every day. You know, we'll put 200 on an acre and a half for a day. So every day, sometimes between about 3.30 and 5.30, we move them. So they're very used to it. You can see them.

They're lined up. They're ready to go. They know what's going on. And they'll just come right through here. Come on, sweetie pies. Come on, honeypots. Yeah. Come on, gals.

Go, go, we. Come on, gals. Come on, gals. Come on, come on, gals. I don't even know if I've ever really seen cows really run. You look happy. I mean, they definitely like. Yeah, they dance.

They dance, they sure do. So you just take one down, you move them over, and then they'll go down the hill the next day? Realize, we just built these a couple days ago. Okay. They're not here. In other words, because you don't need to, you don't need your whole farm. You just do the area you're moving to. Exactly.

We just, we just, we do like one week ahead of time or? Well, it depends. Normally there's three wires. So they were in here. This is called the front fence. That keeps them from going there. That one's called the back fence. It keeps them from going back where they were.

And that one's called the check fence. That if they happen to go through the front fence, you've got another check fence to keep them from going to Timbuktu. Right. So what we would normally do. Now that I've moved them, we roll that one up, move it to the new check fence. And so you're using free wires to keep it all in check. So they'll be...

One day. One day. They were here for one day. One day. And when is the next time they will come on to this piece right here they're on today? It all depends on how much growth we get. If we get a bunch of rain this week with that hurricane coming up, coming up and it stays warm through October, we'll probably come back on again before, you know,

sometime in early winter. Okay. If we don't, we'll probably get on here in the river spring. Okay. In a typical year, we would hit one spot maybe four times in a season, maybe up to five. And all the time it's producing more and more organic matter as it goes. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, what follows herbivores in nature? birds. The eagret on the rhino's nose and the birds behind the Cape Buffalo, you know, you ever see her, get buffalo, all these birds that follow them. And so we follow the cows with the eggmobiles. And so about four or five days behind the cows, here comes the eggmobiles, and the chickens then, they scratched through the cow patties and eat the fly larva, spread the cow patties out. So instead of a big, you know, with a cow pie here, that cow pie now covers this much. Exactly. Exactly. They spread it. ground. And so they sanitize. And of course the cows have now exposed crickets and grasshoppers and all

that stuff, worms. By taking the grass down. Yep, by taking off the cover. So the chickens are there. They're chasing down all these bugs. And so the chickens act as a biological pasture sanitizer behind the cows. So we don't have to use parasiticides, grubicides, wormers. There's a symbiosis. and the chickens lay eggs. So not only do the chickens do all this work for us, but then they cream it with laying eggs. Let's move the Egg Mobile. All right.

We're taking these way over there where the cows are. Good morning, birdies. And how many chickens we got in this? There's about 150 in each one. If the paddocks are real small, I move them every second day because they can cover a couple of paddocks. at once. But if the paddocks are big, then I move them every day because they can't cover

the whole paddock at once. So it's all about how big the cow paddock was and whether they can cover it all in one day or two day. One of the things that we don't have here on our farm is ticks. A lot of farms, they think, oh, ticks, ticks, tick. We don't have ticks. They eat all the ticks. So there's a lot of, you know, symbiotic health going on that you don't really think about or see. Another one that we do is in the wintertime when we're feeding hay, and hay, for those that don't know, hay is simply solar-dried grass. Think of it as raisins are to grapes, hay is to grass. Okay.

It's just dehydrated grass. All right. So in wintertime, you know, we got snow, the grass isn't growing, everything's done. So we feed hay. So the thing is, a cow is dropping 50. pounds of goodies out her back end every day. 50 pounds. So how do we metabolize it?

So we feed under an awning and we use wood chips and just carbon to make a carbonaceous diaper under those cows that then molecularly bonds. Carbon, carbon wants to bond to stuff. Carbon filters, carbon filtration, charcoal, right? It's all carbon. Carbon is like the Alka-Seltters, the buffer of the planet. So we bond that molecularly in this big sponge. The cows, of course, they're tromping out the oxygen,

and so it's anaerobic fermenting, and it gets deeper and deeper. And as we build it, we add corn to it. The corn then ferments, the cows, of course, they mix it all up and tromp it in. So in the spring, this might be, it might be four feet deep in the spring, okay? The cows come out, start grazing, grass starts to grow. So that's what you're doing. This is during the winter while you're doing in the winter.

Winter, yeah. under an awning. Yeah, all this is happening. It's a little bit different than the process in the summer. Yes, very different, very different. Yeah, now they can walk outside. They got a little place they can exercise. But basically, we want their winter manure and urine

to not go on hibernating microbes. Right. When the winter's cold, the microbes, all these microbes I've described, the earthworms, they kind of go to sleep. Everything's resting for this, whatever, you know, 90 days, roughly. And so we don't want to put a bunch of stuff on that organic or inorganic because it can't metabolize it very well. Okay.

And you get soil damage with pugging because the ground's soft and, you know, they're chomping it up. So this is how we feed them and control their manure and urine, and it just builds up deep. So the cows go out, spring comes, grass starts to grow, and we put in pigs. A lot of your listeners, I know, are familiar with large-scale composting, and they're thinking of these Windrow compost piles, right? You know, you got these big compost turners and make this compost. Because what we need to do is convert that from anaerobic without oxygen to aerobic compost because anaerobic and aerobic are like salt water and freshwater. If I put anaerobic material on the soil, it actually kills the aerobic microbes in the top six inches. Okay. All right?

So I want aerobic microbes. I want like to go to like here. I want aerobic microbes. So I've got to convert this from anaerobic to aerobic material. Well, most of the time people, you know, you'd make these windrow compost, clean it out. Tractors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you pointed that out at Abby Rockefeller's farm. Yes, yes, some of that. Okay. So instead, we use pigs. Okay. We put the pigs in. The pigs then seek the fermented corn that we've been putting in through the winter. And in seeking the corn, that pays their salary to turn it like a big egg beater, oxygenated, we call them pig erators, pig erators, pig erators, and they convert that whole stack, that carbonaceous diaper from anaerobic to aerobic compost, and then we spread that on the fields,

and that's our fertility program. Wow. We move them about every five to 12 days. They were just there. They're here now. You can see the new grass right up here. You can see how it's come back. So these paddocks up here looked exactly like this one 50 days ago, and they've just been moving progressively through these paddocks.

Like, for example, we come over here. This looked just like that a week ago, and that looked just like this 50 days ago. That's what's cool. And you notice we're here among 50 hogs, and there's no smell, no odors. They're getting a half acre paddock about every five to 12 days. So you get heavy impaction and rest. Heavy impaction and rest. All the grass that you see, we didn't plant.

It just came naturally as part of the seed bank that was in the soil that has now been awakened by the pigs disturbing it. We call it ecological exercise. The disturbance from the pigs has awakened that latent seed bank to sprout and come on up. up under now these new these new saplings and new trees that are that are sprouting up in the in the area everything has a purpose and so it's all again it's not guys in there shoveling no no diesel blowing you got cows laying it pigs go in they do all that work for you all that work you know and they're in hog heaven they love this and it fully honors and respects the pigness of the

pig the pig now is not just pork chops and bacon. The pig is a co-laborer, a team player. It's, you know, we got a thing here going. As part of this great land healing ministry, the pig is a team player. And it completely changes that emotional relationship that we have with, you know, with what we're doing. And it fully honors the distinctiveness, the physiological distinctiveness of the pig. You know, in our country, we don't ask how to make happy pigs.

All we ask is, you know, how do we grow on faster, fatter, bigger, cheaper, you know, as if it's just a mechanical something or other, right? And I would suggest that a culture that never asks how to make a happy pig or how to respect and honor the pigness of the pig will soon come to where it doesn't ask, how do we make happy people, how do we respect and honor the distinctiveness of Tom and Mary and Jane? Yeah. So that whole cultural ethical framework of individual liberty and freedom and expression and choice is wrapped up in, do we honor that in the least of these to create a foundation? So we honor it in the greatest of these. Well, then I think you could go to all sorts of spiritual teachings too. If the pig is not feeling loved, if that is not the energy that it's in,

whatever stressors, however that affects its body, affects our bodies as we take that in and we just forward a cycle of pain, anger, frustration, and all of those things. In fact, one of the most interesting things we've learned over the decades we've been in this is that all of our meats, poultry, pork, beef, cooks about 15 to 20 percent faster than anything in the store. And the only thing that we can figure out is to why, because we work with a lot of chefs, a lot of world-class chefs, you know, different people. And the only thing that we can figure out why is because our animals aren't stressed and they don't spend a lifetime secreting adrenaline. What happens when your body kicks in, you've got adrenaline?

Everything tightens up. Yeah, tightens up, right? And so our animals, because they're not spending a lifetime stressed, they're just relaxed. And as Michael Pollan said, they just have one bad day. And I would suggest for the folks that suddenly think, oh, there he went. He was a murderer, you know, and I've been accused. No, no, no, no. No, no. Think about this.

How we create, we already established in an order for something to live, something has to die. And we know now that plants communicate, mycelium communicates, fungi communicates. Listen, this isn't just sentient beings. It's all sentient. It's all sentient. It's responding. It's dynamic, it's spontaneous, it's all that. So animals living a sacred life or a part of a sacred system, then they pass on?

Yes. And so it's a gift. So it's how we've honored the life during the life that creates sacredness in that final offering. As Joel Salatin put it best, our animals here have a beautiful life, a wonderful life, and one bad day. And frankly, this bad day is just a couple of months. minutes for these birds as they are taken through this process. So beautiful, though, to see these gorgeous birds at the end. This is where our food is coming from, at least if we're eating right,

and we're going to the right places for our food. Because these are what we call table birds. So it's one for the table, right? It's pretty. And so it's got to be, you got one chance to impress the in-laws, right? So you've got to make sure that the birds are pristine. Let me see if I can grab one of these. Let's sit.

They're pretty good sized birds, right? They are. There's a lot to them. Okay. All right. Okay. Yep. Pull down, that's great.

Harder, harder, harder. Yep, more, more. Yeah, nice, and then push. More. Yeah, watch your hand. It takes about two minutes for them to bleed out. Okay. Then we're gonna pull them out of the cone and set them over here.

Okay. So you're gonna go and grab the next one. The next one's ready. Okay. So now grab a bird. We're gonna put up here in the scalder. Okay. So grab by the leg?

Yeah, just grab it by the leg, yep. Put the one in the top. Yep, and then I'm going to start it, and we're going to put it in the back. So we got one on each side. So this is a scalder, it's got a 145 degree water, and it's loosening the feathers by agitating the birds so that the water penetrates by the follicle. And with the soap, it cuts through the oil so that you've got it now. So the feathers are all loosened up now.

So really, when you grab this, like, they just pull out. So now just grab this bird and toss it on in there. It's a little damp, so be careful. Alright, they can grab that one? Yep. Good. So what they're doing is they're bouncing around with each other and rubbing up against those little fingers, and that's what's pulling the feathers out.

And they're so gentle, like you can leave the bird in there for a long time and it doesn't hurt the skin. Got it. Look that. It's amazing. Yeah, that's a game changer, right? I bet that's a game changer. You just imagine, like the old. Old days you're getting feathers.

Yeah, look at that. That looks a little more like Thanksgiving, right? Sure it does. I think a lot of people, when these days, we're so used to seeing the modern farming visuals, the giant dirt field with thousands of cows living in squalor, the sun beating down on them, nothing green anywhere, nothing natural about this existence at all.

PETA's done a pretty good job of going in with cameras and showing just these horrible conditions to be raising animals and cages that can't move their whole lives, all of these things. And so, you know, I think that that also has led to an ability to sort of I just don't want to have any part of that. Right. Right. Absolutely. Now, I think there's a lot of farmers that are really in many ways doing those practices because that's how they're being told this has to be done. This is the only way I can make money. You know, we've got Monsanto when it comes to chemicals on all the plants. And then you have, you know, Tyson and these chicken, these giant monolithic companies that basically turn these farmers into corporate farmers. When we look at this world and it seems like we're at a, we're at an impact moment here, where once again, where at one point the conversation was, do we go organic?

Do we go with biological matter? Do we go in this chemical direction? We are at a critical mass moment where something's going to have to change. I mean, I think we can all agree how we're doing this. We really do have problems in this earth. Is it possible to change course right now in your mind? Could you go onto a modern rancher's farm? Could you go into that deep dirt field?

Can you step in there and say, believe me, you will actually make money if you do this my way? Yeah. Well, the answer is yes. The answer is yes. In fact, I would say it's the only way long-term to do it. Now, the orthodox conventional mind right now, the chemical mind, still thinks that we're going to be able to trick nature, that we're going to be able to trick. And, you know, with artificial intelligence and smart farming and... Robotic bees. Precision farming. Yeah, robotic. Yeah, exactly. And so this idea of somebody sitting in a console, you know, a thousand miles away that knows exactly what my acre needs. Right.

You know, it's just, it's just, it doesn't work. And so, and so the beauty of these big principles, you know, perennials, animals move, carbon economy, in situ fertility. What's that word? You said that twice. In situ? That means it's it here. Nature doesn't move carbon very far. Think about it, you know, a leaf falls off a tree.

Yeah, the wind blows it, but it doesn't blow it a thousand miles. Right. An herbivore comes along, a bird eats a seed, and it flies up on a tree, digest the seed, poops, all of that carbon cycling happens on site, you know, fairly close, you know, maybe a mile or two, all right? It's not a global. a global trade thing, you know, it's a property being able to acquire its own fertility from carbon on site, in situ, on site is a revolutionary concept. You mean, I don't have to go to the store, I don't have to call the ammonia truck, the fertilizer truck. I don't have to

call Vladimir Putin and say, deliver me. As you go down that path, you realize how revolutionary this is. In fact, I would say this. I would say that if the United States took all the money it currently spends on chemical fertilizer and fighting fires, that's $5 billion, and took all that money and concentrated it on biomass carbon development, not only would we grow all of our own food, we would build soil and have the happiest fattest earthworms of any country in the world. And one other thing that it would do is it would create sacred, noble, affirming work for thousands and thousands of people who have been marginalized in our techno-sophisticated white-collar culture. This is what Michael Rowe is all about, right?

Dirty jobs. And we have as a culture, dissed, I guess, is the hip word, but we have marginalized. We have not honored people that want to have calluses and splinters in their hands. 40% business books will tell you 40% of today's modern population, 40% wants to get dirty. They like to get into soil, handle wire, be tactile about life. And so the carbon economy that I'm just... I'm sharpening my own mower blade. There you go.

It happens. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. So that kind of desire to be, to be a visceral participant in this is not affirmed. You know, my last meeting with the school guidance counselor, right? You're going over your curriculum, all right?

And I'm a rising senior. I'm in the National Honor Society. You know, I'm, and she says, what do you really want to do? I said, I want to be a farmer. Well, I thought I was going to have to call 911, you know. I mean, she went to cardiac arrest. What? Waste all those brains, waste all that talent.

Waste it, right. Waste it, right. And so imagine if we had thousands and thousands and thousands of adults who could come home and their little Johnny or Mary or whatever says, well, mommy, daddy, what did you do today? And they get to tell them, we turned carbon. into chips to make compost to build soil so that you're going to have a better planet to live on than we gave you. Now, if that isn't sacred, if that isn't honoring, I don't know what is. You know, and so we need that kind of social affirmation of these margins of society

of people that, we've got this idea in our elitist structure that the only thing worth doing is fighting the expressway on your way to a Dilbert cubicle to punch numbers into cyberspace for, you know, a global multinational corporation. That's why I think that's the biggest drug users in the world, right? Yeah. Miserable. Yeah, they are miserable. They are miserable. And I love my office. Yeah. I like your office too. Yeah. So, so, you know, the truth is, the truth is that if we had had a Manhattan project for compost, not only would we have fed the world, we would have done it without three-legged salamanders, infertile frogs, and a dead zone the size of Rhode Island and the Gulf of Mexico. That's the truth. That's the truth. And we can bring that back quickly, quickly.

It takes a will to do it, and it takes eaters eating with intentionality. Farmers aren't going to make this change just altruistically. They're going to need to be pushed. Now, as you mentioned, there are factors. the cost of fertilizer, these external factors are starting to, you know, to come in on them. There's a great time for you to be around because people are needing options. Look, I think about this. When I, you know, I don't go to Walmart often, but I happen to go into Walmart, and you see like an entire organic food section. Walmart doesn't do that.

Walmart doesn't go out of its way unless it becomes lucrative. When I think that there are Walmart shoppers, they're looking for organic food, that's a phenomenal shift in consciousness. It is. It's happened over, of course, if I would say two decades. Right, right. And the next step is to not shop at Walmart. Right, well, sure, right, right. And, you know, know, your farmer, you know, shorten your chain of custody. Yeah. And, I mean, we're certainly seeing, and one of the neat things that's happened technologically in the last goodness, 10 years, really, is this just explosion of logistical efficiency. The fact that home distribution, of course, it got a shot in the arm with COVID,

contactless retail, but the technology with which you can now ship, I mean, 20 years ago, we could have never shipped meat or chicken across the country. Well, while they're there, you do, because there's a lot of people sitting watching right now thinking, I'd love to try that Polyface Farm chicken that we're going to have at the fine dining restaurant this evening. How do people get to your? Our website's polyfacefarmes.com. We ship every Tuesday, and it'll all be on the website.

So I can get the happy cows and happy's chicken and that meat served to make me happy in my home. You sure can. Let me ask this question. We were starting to see more and more home gardening, you know, like trying to homestead more and more. Are there, do some of these principles you're talking about work in that smaller space too? Absolutely, all these principles work, they are completely scalable. The scale up, scale down. And so your garden, yes, the key to your garden is organic matter.

So look around the neighborhood. When the city's picking up leaves in the fall, beat them to it. Get your neighbor's leaves, drag them over, you know. Be a fiend on organic matter. Find that carbon organic matter and feed your soil, you know, back your There are chickens, I mean, I wrote a book, I've written a bunch of books, but one, the last one is Polyface Micro, which is we take all this stuff and scale it down. I even have a chapter on there how to have chickens and rabbits in a Manhattan apartment

without any smell. And so this, that's such, that, this integration, we need to integrate rather than segregate, our food system is segregated. And historically, it was always integrated. We couldn't afford that kind of waste. It was too precious. It was too expensive. You couldn't, you couldn't waste.

that much. Today we just waste food like, you know, 40% of all human edible food on the planet is wasted. 40%. And that's never happened in human history. Why? Wherehousing, sell-by-dates, blemish fetishes, cultures, and a segregated system. So there are so many things that we can do. It doesn't take more knowledge. It doesn't take more research. It doesn't take a government agency. Do you have hope in all this work you were doing from a child on this farm, seeing obviously you've proven the concept your family has it's absolutely stunning I know a lot of people reading your books do you feel like there's there's a move in this direction yes absolutely there there is you know crisis the Japanese

pictorial word for crisis is the same one as opportunity crisis in Japanese crisis and opportunity are the same symbol. And I think that crisis does indeed create opportunity. And right now, there is a homestead tsunami going on in the country right now. I mean, it is going on. It is everywhere. And I'm excited to see it. And at the same time, farmers are being pushed to the wall with inflation, food costs, supply chain issues, and all that. And so, you know, I don't wish ill on anybody. I really don't. I don't even wish ill on Monsanto.

Now, I wish they weren't in business, but I don't wish ill on them. I think they're well intended. I think they're wrong, but I think they're well intended. So I'm willing to, you know, honor that. But having been in the ashes all my life subjected to the corner to suddenly be asked to do so many media and podcast things about how do you build soil without the Russians? Yeah. I'm going to feel like Cinderella. I've been invited to the ball.

You know, it's a real. If you go back to that school counselor, like, what do you do with you? Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. It's a tsunami. And so, yeah, I don't wish you all anybody, but in a lot of ways, I am grateful for the crisis.

Because the crisis is bringing people to a new place of question, a new place of search and seeking. and it's in seeking that we find those answers. Amen. Joel, thank you so much. Thank you, Del. All right, let's have a blessing and we'll get on through the line. All right, our Lord, thank you for the day. Thank you for giving us safety today as we worked,

and thank you for giving us important mission and vision to do. Thank you for the wonderful meal. We thank you in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. I started as a steward in 2020 and there was an apprentice in 2021 and then this is my first year as full-time staff. The community built around this farm in particular is amazing. A team is definitely a blessing. You get to wake up every day and I have people that I can count on. I love the work here. It makes me come alive. We are very people focused and the people are just as important to the farm as the animals are. I've always wanted a farm since I was a child.

That's why I worked at a kind of conventional ag farm. Just seeing how Joel had turned poor land into something so beautiful and healthy. I wanted to learn from the best. I'd like to take what I've learned here to help grow that into a business, which could hopefully sustain me and possibly a family one day. Everybody's just wanting good quality food that's not being marketed to them in a deceitful way. And that's really refreshing that I'm not the only one out there that feels that way. So it's been pretty special to be a part of that community and get to know like-minded people.

All right, everybody. I just want to take an opportunity on behalf of the Highwire to thank all of you. You're really leading the way. I mean, it's brilliant that farming and being a part of nature is becoming so important again in this moment where people are waking up to, you know, being in more communion with the nature. and the way that we're doing things and Joel just want to thank you so much for sharing your beautiful experience here with us today and thank you all for your hard work it's really spectacular there is beauty in the world and we must focus on that I hope when you watch the high wire and so many you come up to me around the country as I'm traveling and you say the thing that I love about the high wire is I get a sense of hope and one of the things I keep

saying to you is really watch how often you say the word they meaning they those people that aren't getting it, aren't waking up, the they that all got the vaccine, the they that are against us. Let's talk about the they that are moving the world, that are growing the world, that are bringing beauty to the world. We are that they.

We are on the verge of becoming the majority in the world and it's our time to sort of lead the way. And it just, I also wanna say when you watch that, you can feel Joel Saladin's passion for life, his beauty. If you are living a life that doesn't have you waking up, that passionate, it's time to change. I mean, I want to tell you, you know, when I walk around and you come up to me and say, Del, thank you for your sacrifice, I'm right there with Joel.

I couldn't be happier. The people that are working here doing the work that we do here on the high wire are filled with joy and passion. And it is such a gift and an honor to get to share the information that we do. Just like those animals should be happy and be living a happy lives, so should we. And so, you know, we do talk about a lot of scary and negative things, all in a way to recognize, I think, what that dead skin is that we're sloughing off. A lot of this is just old ideas and their death grip on reality and trying to hold on to their relevance as their time is disappearing. There is a new age upon us, and it's going to take our cooperation with the earth, you know, with each other, with the farms, find that farm near you. I was sitting here,

you know, working, you know, watching, you know, this segment again, I realized, oh my God, I haven't ordered my turkey from Polyface Farms and I'm about to, you know, fall behind everyone in the audience. So this is an insider training. I just bought my stock and my turkey for Thanksgiving just 10 minutes ago before you all saw the advertisement. But Polyface Farms, you can order from them. They have beautiful boxes where you can get all of that beautiful bacon and steaks and chickens delivered to your doorstep. Look, I can't even describe how beautiful this farm is. It's not the only one like it. There's great farm shares with Amish farmers and things like that. But I want to just, you know, one of the things that didn't make it into this piece,

there's this beautiful meadow that was once cragly forest and like old and rocky and it didn't have the topsoil that Joel took me up to. And I can't even describe what it looked like. It was like blue, fur, grass. I mean, it was like ferngoly. It was like, it was so spectacular. And he said to me, we don't really know what this grass is that's growing here. He had the fish and game wildlife come up and analyze it. And they said to him in our, I think it was like over 150 years of records, farm records.

We have no record of that grass growing here, which means that this approach he's had to farming, where the cows are tilling the land and then behind them in their, you know, moving, mobbing and mowing, then come the chickens and then the pigs and all the aeration that he has created a scenario where a grass that has been there dormant, like those dormant microbes and bacteria that can actually solve our CO2 issue, our nitrogen issue, our methane issue is coming to life. These seeds are coming to life and grasses that haven't been there for hundreds of years.

We're not planted. We're not seated there. They're coming back around. And so, you know, I know there's probably people out there that were watching this that maybe were vegetarians or vegans. And I spent, you know, I had a decade where I, you know, practiced being a vegetarian. I've got nothing against that. But I did have one thought as I was working on this farm. And as those people, and look, we all see those industrial farms and think that is disgusting and gross and no animals should be treated like that. I totally agree. And that could drive anybody if you looked at it into being a vegetarian, but when you go to Joel Saladin's farm and you see how happy these animals are, and it really feels like you're in Eden, which made me look up this quote from the Bible, for those of you that, you know, many religions, you know, come from the Old Testament. And God said, let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle and over all the earth. and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. We don't take advantage of it.

What Joel is showing us is a compatibility where they are actually working with each other. The animals are a part of the workforce of his farm. And as I thought about, as we're pushing animals' way and making the cows the enemy to this earth and making the pigs the enemies to our earth, for those that say to me, I don't eat meat because I just don't believe in hurting animals,

if we destroy farming, if we take cows and pigs and take them out of the farms and switch to synthetic meats, what purpose will there be for these animals on this earth? Do you believe that this globalist system that wants us to eradicate the eating of meat? They also talk about useless eaters. If they see human beings as useless eaters, how would they see all of these animals you think you're protecting? No, we shouldn't be abusing these animals, but on. When Joel's farm, if we move in that direction, the earth is coming back to life under the hooves of these animals.

And these animals are alive because they're needed by us. If they're not needed, would you rather we just kill every animal that has no purpose on this planet and never see them again? Because I thought the whole point was about stopping extinction and things like that. Sure, we are out of balance. But spending a day in balance with Joel Salatin, I hope that you understand. understand there are better ways. There are better ways forward. There's so many great minds out there. We're going to continue to share this work on the high wire because I don't just want to be a

place talking about the problems. We want to be in the solutions. And also, I want you to know that I've said to Aaron, Syria, and our legal team, we are going to start taking up all of these issues we cover, whether it's banking or in this case farming, we're looking at issues where the USDA may be going after organic farmers or farms and issues like that. We are going to be funding those legal cases. We're the only news network I know of that is actually using legal power to make a difference on the issues that we're reporting. You all make this possible. There is a stewardship program I want to remind you about if you want to work and learn how to be a polyface farmer. He takes on several people every year. Maybe your teenager wants to look

at a different way of life as they're coming out of college, maybe not quite teenager, a little bit older than that, but Polyface has apprenticeships and summer stewardship and by the way, if you own a farm and want to move in these directions, there's obviously a lot of great well-trained stewards that are looking for work out there that want to bring this knowledge from Joel Salatin's farm to your ranch and farm. Okay, I'm holding on getting a note coming in, there's extraordinary footage that landed on the cutting room floor. Where are we going to have that? All right. Okay, here's some of the beautiful footage I guess we're

playing right now. This was us sort of walked. Oh. All right, you got me. Yes. It is hard to walk through grass that thick with a ground. Okay, yeah, please. But we're not, we haven't got enough. We got to have time to laugh. We got to have time to love. Thank you for watching the high wire. Thanks for transforming your experience in making the world to be. better place that's what we're all about and I'll see you as we continue this journey next week on the high wire