The Highwire with Del Bigtree - THE POLIO PARADOX WITH DR. SUZANNE HUMPHRIES

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

Nephrologist and co-author of ‘Dissolving Illusions’, Suzanne Humphries, MD, joins Del to discuss her significant role in the first installment of ‘Jefferey Jaxen Investigates’ on the polio virus. Hear how the dangers of vaccines came to light for her and why the future of humanity depends on people understanding the true history behind the polio vaccine. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

SALC vaccine safe, effective. Along comes the first widespread vaccination campaign with the Salk vaccine. They were not going to let this vaccine fail with all the fanfare that was going into it. They weren't careful about their manufacturing standards. They weren't careful about the testing. The Cutter incident was pretty much a disaster. The fact that they were making vaccines with monkey kidney cells, they discovered the presence of SV40, which is a mutation that can cause cancers in animals and humans.

And scientists located the SV40 and were trying to talk about it, they were threatened and harassed. In the early 50s, the SOC vaccine and in the late 50s the save-in vaccine. And everybody got it because, you know, why wouldn't you? Nobody ever heard of vaccine injuries in those days. Polio was caused by both, the injected and the oral polio vaccine. You could have an injection of a polio vaccine and still be a carrier and spread polio. So when it comes to the definition of polio, anything that limped or had a cough or anything thing before the vaccines came out in the 50s was pretty much polio.

Afterwards, the criteria changed. Before the vaccine, there was something called non-parallytic polio. After the vaccine, they termed that aseptic meningitis. No laboratory testing was required before the vaccine. After the vaccine was released in order to make a diagnosis of polio, a lab test was required. For anyone who says, my aunt had polio. Some of us have got to be willing to face the ugly truth. Polio is one of the ugliest.

There has been scandal. There has been propaganda. There has been failure and there's been injury. And it's been covered up. Well, everyone's talking about part one, but do you see, do you hear some of the things in part two? So it feel like a small world. You just hear Kevin McKeown saying, you know, SV40, you know, is got some sort of promoter gene. And here in this documentary about the polio vaccine, we're hearing about a monkey virus SV40. How are these things all connected?

That's what we get into. Honestly, this is probably the most daring documentary ever made. You want to talk about a religious belief, dive into polio. But I'll be honest, we weren't the first ones to do it. In fact, I think we got suckered into it by one of the great voices in the vaccine truth movement. She wrote the book, Dissolving Illusions. She is one of the central figures in part two of our documentary. Of course, I'm talking about Dr. Suzanne Humphreys, who joins me right.

now. Hi, Suzanne. How are you doing? Hi, Del. Doing well. How about you? I'm really good. It's great to see you. You know, there's quite a conversation happening right now in America and at the heart of it is always, oh, they're going to get rid of the polio vaccine or we should be terrified of polio. And it's crazy to go near it. It's literally like dancing on a third rail, but you decided to do exactly that. Why in this book, which is maybe one of the most important books written, did you decide to take on really the holy grail of medicine, the polio vaccine? Well, I never actually intended to be on any shows or to be infamous or famous or whatever I've become. I was created in a hospital by denialists.

And that's how it all started. So I was seeing vaccine injury in my own patients in when I was 100% consultative nephrologists in the state of Maine in a major tertiary care hospital. Okay. And are you hearing me okay? I am. I hear you great. Go ahead. Yes. Okay. Good. Good. So what happened was I started to do a little bit of research because I was very naive. At that point, I knew that there was a polio vaccine in the past and it was wonderful.

And all these little crippled children, no longer, their parents no longer had to fear the crippling effects of polio because of the vaccine. And what a miracle it was because, you know, as a doctor, I'd never seen a case of polio that I knew about. Turns out I'd seen plenty of polio. And more importantly, I'd later realized. that I've seen plenty of kidney disease related to the SV40 virus. But getting back to the question that you asked me is that every time I would make a claim to somebody who challenged me because I was discontinuing vaccines on patients that I was consulting on who already had acute kidney injury and I would say, please don't give this vaccine,

or I would research the fact that one of my patients or then two of my patients and then 10 of my patients ended up coming in and saying, I was fine until I had that shot. And I thought, well, can vaccines affect kidneys or not? And so I looked into it. And sure enough, vaccines can profoundly affect kidneys. Kidneys are incredibly sensitive to inflammation, probably one of the most sensitive organs to inflammation next to the brain. And a lot of what we see is drug-induced nephropathies. And so why not a vaccine-induced nephropathy? And sure enough, I found plenty of medical literature after I was encountered my first patient with who claimed, to have a vaccine injury. So instead of telling him to shut up and denying it and acting like

Paul Offutt, I decided to be like a doctor and look in a few books and see if it's possible and found that it was. So why, you know, I didn't have kids. I didn't have any history of vaccine injury that I knew of. And so I was just kind of trying to find where the truth lied. And if the truth lied in the fact that vaccines are the greatest thing ever created and that they were preventing disease, that's what I would be telling the world. But that is absolutely not what happened with any vaccine that I researched. So after I finished my research into influenza vaccines and that particular year, the H5N1 vaccine, or maybe it was H1, the swine flu vaccine. I'm getting all the animals confused these days. So anyway, they were giving two vaccines out in those days

for the flu. And it seemed to have more of an impact than just the previous one. And so I would be talking to the chief of medicine or I'd be talking to other doctors or even to a parent. somewhere and everyone would say the same thing to me what about polio and still to this day when I have any conversation about a vaccine the first question is probably the same with you dealt well what about polio I just say well you know then I thought well what about polio let me have a look at polio so after I finished influenza and the kidney issue I delved into polio and I tell you I never imagined doing this in a million years but I spent two years of my life after

I quit my job just looking into polio. And what I found was it was morbidly fascinating. And I just, at the time, I couldn't get enough of it. I got all the polio surveillance units documents and all the scandalous medical information that was available back then. I found what other doctors were saying about the testing procedure back then, about the Francis trials and the propaganda about the wonderful vaccine. And it was anything but what we hear over and over and over again. And it very much mirrors what happened with COVID. And I've been screaming from the mountaintops all around the world that this is nothing new what we're seeing with COVID. This is an old story that pretty much mirrors what we saw back in the smallpox era as well. So anyway, that's the long answer to your

question. And what's amazing about your book that I, I mean, I still remember, you know, I've read it several times now, probably need to read it 10 more times to fully integrate, you know, all of the information in there. But we act as though sort of this anti-vaccine movement, if you will, or or even with COVID, we saw, I think it was like, you know, I remember at one point, some CDC and FDA heads were asked during the COVID epidemic, how much of your staff has gotten the COVID vaccine? And I think one of the answers was less than half, right? And we were shocked to find that doctors weren't taking the vaccine. And I think there was a sense, that's the first time that's ever happened. But in reading your book, there's so many doctors

saying, this is crazy. This isn't doing like it's not working or speaking out. And there was a movement then saying, look, we may be causing more problems than we're fixing. But there was a real, I mean, there was a lot of written, I mean, that's what's amazing, newspaper articles and and doctors reports about real issues with the vaccine and the polio vaccine. And we just think, why did we never hear that side of the story? Well, the beginning of the polio's vaccine story, it depends on how far back I want to go. But before the Salk vaccine, there were a couple attempts at vaccines and the outcomes were pretty disastrous.

And the scientists that conducted those experiments were devastated. So there was a lot of care and a public relations effort put forth when the Salk vaccine was imagined. And there was a fellow named Basil O'Connor, who was kind of the head of the March of Dimes and the PR campaign. And the PR campaign was so loud and so strong, which included showing pictures of little cute kids wearing braces and casts. And everywhere you went, there would have been, you know, as I think Merrill Nass talk. about the dimes that you could put into the little cardboard container. Yeah. And so there was no way that the vaccine study that they were conducting was ever going to fail no matter what.

And, you know, the part that was morbidly fascinating to me was seeing how many ways they cheated. And even when they were cheating, they couldn't, as they say, with the autism issue, they couldn't make it go away. They still couldn't make the paralytic polio numbers go down. So they just kept changing the criteria. it was just an amazingly crazy time, but most of the world only knows what they saw in the newspapers and the TV because obviously we didn't have social media back then. Most people would have had three channels on their television. There would have been fear that was just spread across the world about polio, especially after what happened in 1916, which was probably

again a function episode in the Rockefeller Labs, which had a 25% mortality rate, which would have set the stage for the terrible polio epidemics and then income the chemicals and everything else that made polio seem worse and worse and worse. And so, of course, everybody wanted a solution to this. What they didn't realize is that the cause wasn't what they thought that it was. And of course, the vaccine was never the solution. What is it that, you know, it occurred to me in some of the conversations I've had that there's a passion to stop any reanalysis of the stories around polio.

Any reanalysis right now is just talking a reporter that's like, well, okay, even if there are vaccines that haven't been through proper placebo trials, which I said, you had none of the childhood vaccines. And I'm trying to get these reporters to actually, I'm sending the FDA website. Here's the evidence. Will you please read it? But it's like they just, and I've been coming to the conclusion, they're so passionate. And they believe so strongly that there, no. intelligent human being would put a product into children that has potentially live viruses and bacteria and sometimes formaldehyde and aluminum and all these things they know it's there

I think it's so preposterous to imagine that a modern society would inject something like that in the kids without just thoroughly studying it and testing it that they can't even like open the book or open the door, people like you and me, you've got to be wrong because it's insane to think that we would rush products that potentially alter your immune system that have SV40, cancer causes, all that, without proper studies. So in some ways, I guess what I'm saying is we're so close to each other in the truth, right? The people that are passionately against us are only passionately against us because they believe wholeheartedly how dangerous it would be if you didn't actually test these things, right?

They're not saying, I don't care that it's not tested. I love that it's not tested. What they're saying is you're lying and has to have been tested, which means they're right there on the same team with us and they don't realize it. Yeah, the truth is so dark and crazy that it's hard to convince people of it. And it's some 75 pages in my polio chapter. And very few people will actually get through that chapter and to understand. understand everything. It's so easy to tell a lie. Propaganda just circulates and takes hold so much quicker,

probably because human brains tend to be a bit lazy. And so just to hear a sound bite, that's enough for most people, especially where the sound bite comes from. And that's exactly what happened with the polio issue back in the 1950s, when the actual fact, if you look at the data and read what some other doctors were saying back then, is that the paralytic incidents went up by 50% the first year that the polio vaccine was implemented. And there was a good reason for that because there was so much live virus in that vaccine because the vaccine that was released was not the same vaccine that was trialed, just like with COVID. They took the mercury out of it, which seemed like a good thing because mercury is so toxic. but what enabled because Salk realized that the antigenicity of the trial vaccine wasn't good enough,

so he took the mercury out so that there wouldn't be quite as much killing off of a virus. He wanted to be more antigenic. And so what happened as a result was that they had more live viruses. And then they couldn't make that problem go away, so they started filtering the vaccine. And they filtered it down to the point where it was basically just water. There was really not much antigenicity at all left in the vaccine after all the filtrations. And the Swedes had a lot of interesting things to say about it because they were, the Swedes and the Germans were actually looking at what happened in America and tracking the data. And the other thing about sound bites and PR campaigns, a lot of people don't realize that

the France's trial was a huge trial that looked at some half a million children in America. It was a poorly designed trial, but it was very large and it was, there was a lot of power a lot of power behind it, a lot of money behind it. The results of the Francis trial weren't released to doctors until two years after the completion. So the vaccine was already implemented. It was created by several different companies and deployed all throughout the United States. But even worse is that the licensing procedure was horrific in that a few doctors were gathered in Washington, D.C. for one day, it was a Friday, and they felt very uncomfortable about licensing the vaccine because they didn't feel that they were given sufficient information.

But the powers that B put pressure on them and said, well, if you don't license it today, we have to stay over through the weekend. And most of them traveled pretty far to get there. And the consensus was that they didn't want to have to stay throughout the weekend. They still weren't going to get any more information if they stayed throughout the weekend. So the pressure was put upon them and they just licensed the vaccine. And and so it's not just about sound bites. It was about pressure that was put on the advisors that designed the statistics for the trial. There were people that argued with the the logic of it back in the time and anyone who disagreed with it was let go and then

they eventually had a very agreeable, you know, advisory panel for the study. So it was manipulated from start to finish, but the PR was second to none. And that's why we have this idea today that we no longer have polio so that they can start throwing these starts at Robert Kennedy and saying he's an anti-vaxxer, which he's not, and saying that he wants to get, you know, bring polio back, which of course he wouldn't want to. But it's really just because people are so ignorant and because they don't see these little kids hopping around anymore with short limbs. And that's also because people don't realize why children had short limbs back in that day. And it was, again, an old story because of the medical treatments of the time is what was

causing those short limbs. It wasn't the actual polio virus per se that was causing this problem. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's. incredible. You know, we've done our best to try and pull some of the main details out in this documentary with Jeffrey Jackson. You're a big part of part two coming up. I think it's a very important story. It's important for the future of science. You know, I was I was just saying to a reporter yesterday, either proved to me that, for instance, the hepatitis B vaccine has been study that had a trial longer than five days because that's what's written right in the insert. A five-day safety trial of 147 children with no placebo group.

Is that acceptable? If that's acceptable, then why have any placebo trials? Why test any drug? Let's just make it an even fair playing ground for the pharmaceutical industry. Five days is all you need. No placebo. Any new cancer drug? why hold up the cancer drug?

Just tell us what you think it can do. Let's get excited about it. Let's stop wasting our time with the ticker tape at the bottom of the commercial screen, telling us all the side of it. Let's just do it with all that. Let's just say to pharma, you don't have to do placebo trials. Because if you're not going to placebo trial, the one product we give to perfectly healthy children, then why mess with the ones that grandparents are taking?

They're going to die anyway. So who cares? I mean, it just seems to me it is time for a massive reality check. Do you think we're almost there? Do you feel like we're going to get people to actually, and maybe journalists, to say, you know what, that is crazy. That is insane. We do need placebo trials.

Are they going to recognize it? I mean, what's your hope? You obviously wrote this book for reason. And here we are. I mean, I really think you planted a seed. It's a tree growing in the middle of Washington, D.C. right now. What do you hope happens? Well, first I'd like to say that I did see part one of the documentary, and it's amazing.

It's absolutely amazing. The production people you guys have are incredibly talented. The images that you dug up, the videos that you dug up, some of which I had not seen, and it's put together so well. So I do think that if the right people, can see that documentary that it will make a huge difference. Not to say that there won't be counter, you know, propaganda that can, you know, to try to counter what we were saying there, but the facts and the data is the data,

and we've got charts and we've got statistics. And they had them back in the 1950s and some doctors were trying to promote that. So, yeah, my hope is that people that are not just on our team per se, people that are maybe just naive, innocent, don't have an opinion that yet will see that. And they can see that the polio vaccine is really the backbone of belief in vaccinology. You know, even one of my closest friends that I had up in Maine had completely unvaccinated

kids, but one vaccine she gave those kids was a polio vaccine just because all that propaganda filtered down and affected her that many years later, like some 60 years later. So I, yeah, I have hope that more people will learn the truth about polio. and I think that will have an impact if they can see the repeating picture that happens over and over and over again, even the stuff that Kevin McCurnin's talking about, the controversy that went through with that SV40 virus in the polio vaccine, it's pretty much unending. It's still a conversation that's happening, but it's one that's been shut down over and over and over again. There are so many branches of controversy regarding the polio vaccine that you could spend a lifetime studying it. Well, I want to thank you once again, Suzanne.

It's great to see you. You just did, you know, you're one of those giants that we're standing on the shoulders of right now. I remember the time you dedicated on the Vax bus. We crossed paths there. I was on the bus, but you ended up touring this country and just being a part of the conversation, meeting all of those thousands and thousands of families that had been destroyed by vaccine injury, that had been gas lit and lied to. And, you know, I just want to say we wouldn't be here.

I don't believe without your incredible work. And so I want to thank you. It's a huge part of part two of this documentary. It's so fascinating. You're right. That's why I'm here. This investigation of vaccines is just, it's interesting, I say morbidly fascinating. It is fascinating the way that this program has cheated.

its science, the way it has cheated the country, the way it has funded politicians and funded the media system and, you know, the corruption around it, the cover-ups. It's really just an incredibly fascinating story. And I only knew the part that happened in modern times. You look back and to see how prolific and profound this storytelling was, if you will, it's really, really important. And I think it's going to wake up a lot of people to try to understand and be a part of really getting science back on track to being honest and transparent. I think we can handle the truth, I guess, is the point. Yeah. And, you know, there were a lot of giants that I actually studied and learned from when I was putting this all together.

And my hope is that we can take the information and not let that die, magnify it, bring it to life, and snowball it and let it keep going. so that the work that they did and the risks that they took back then, which were huge. I mean, to be a vaccine critic back in those days, especially against the polio vaccine, like, you know, Fred Clenner and Dr. Greenberg and Dr. Callow Carinos and all those doctors back then, they just, you know, that took a lot of heart and a lot less than it takes us, even though, you know, we lose a lot when we do this. Today, there are a lot more of us. So I hope that in the future there would just be exponentially rising vaccine critics out there because literally the future of humanity depends upon it, the brains of humanity, the lifespan of

humanity depends upon it. And I think our lifespan's actually shutting down and shortening as a result of the after effects of vaccination. So, and I think that we should actually be able to live to be 120 years if everything is done right from gestation to birth and throughout life. I think that's what what our genetic programming is. And if we can get people to be more understanding of that and more cautious about what they allow to be injected through a needle into their bodies, hopefully limiting that to almost nothing,

I think we would see big differences in the health and productivity of humanity. Well, it's incredible, Suzanne, and we're on that mission to bring the truth and transparency. Thank you for your work. Thank you for joining us today and thank you for being a part of this incredible documentary series.

You're welcome. And thank you for all that you're doing and your crew as well. You bet. Thank you. Take care.