The Highwire with Del Bigtree - THE REAL ALEX JONES | PART 1

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

Alex Jones is the most controversial man in America. In part 1, Del sits down with Alex to discuss his style of journalism, how he started, extreme censorship, Sandy Hook, and more. After you watch part 1, sign up to be a HighWire Insider to receive Part 2, set to drop Monday, September 19th, only on TheHighWire.com!#TheRealAlexJones #RAJ #Part1 #AlexJonesBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

I have to tell you, we have never done an interview that when discussing it, has had as many love letters literally just overflowing our websites and emails with how much people are thankful that we are going to talk to Alex Jones. But on the other side, so many people, so many of you supporters that supported us all the way through have been writing emails to us saying, don't do it. Things like you shouldn't be aligned with this person or this person doesn't deserve to have. you know, this much attention. Here's just one of the emails to give you a sense. We've blurred out who it came from. Kat being our COO who reads through these. I am deeply concerned about you all airing an interview

with the heinous Alex Jones. This man is evil and has been convicted of knowingly denying the slaughter of innocent children and then psychologically torturing, intimidating, and denigrating the parents of slain children. Please don't air the interview. This is not the same as two sides of an issue and one cannot say, oh, let's air both sides of the story.

This is very different as children were massacred, and this man denied their beautiful lives. This is not good for the movement and truth, appreciatively. I want to say this, that first of all, for everyone that wrote a letter, whether it was a positive letter about this interview, or one that you were really concerned about us doing this interview, I want to thank you, because what it says to me is what the high wire is all about, that not only do you sit at home with ideas and feelings, you express yourself. You go and take the time to sit down and put together an eloquent discussion from your perspective. I'm assuming that you're doing that every time one of your senators or your congressman or even a council member or even a school board member is doing something that you think

is going against your moral standard or your ethics or your belief system. This is what it's all about. It's about being active and expressing yourself. So I want to let you know, I heard you, I read it, I see it. I get it. And I want to let you know that after careful consideration with our team, our international team, those among us and our legal team, I've decided to go ahead and move forward with this interview. And so let me try to just, you know, there's no way to really justify anything. There's the reasons I do things. You're not hearing these conversations. But I want to try and give some perspective. And so the number one reason that I think this is an important interview is because of this book. This book is called The Great Reset and the War for the World. It's written

by Alex Jones. And I'll admit to you right away. I mean, I don't watch Alex Jones every day. I get a sense of him. You all send me clips. I was shocked to find that this book is not written in all caps. But what I do want to say is that this is, in fact, one of, if not the best book on Klaus Schwab's attempt at the Great Reset that I've ever read. It is so well documented. It is so brilliantly laid out. And Klaus Schwab, I know you didn't read Klaus Schwab's Great Reset. Who has the time to do that? And who wants to go through your enemies, you know, spewing and vomit and diarrhea and idea of how to, you know, capture the world? We don't want to be bogged down by that. Instead, though, this book breaks it down and shows historically how we got here. It's a brilliant book. And I suppose,

And I've even said to Alex, man, I wish anybody else wrote this because this book is so important. My only concern is because of who wrote it. You might not read it. I want everyone to read this. And so then I have to ask myself, can I promote a book and not deal with all the questions about its author? I don't think that would be right. I don't think that would be right. And so that puts me in a position.

And maybe you think you know Alex Jones, but let's just think about this guy for a second. Let's just think how long he's been here. Look how long ago he said exactly what I think is the moment we find ourselves in now. Just take a listen to this. Facts and common sense are in. Yes, there have been corrupt empires. Yes, they manipulate. Yes, there are secret societies.

Yes, there have been oligarchies throughout history. And yes, today in 2002, there is a tyrannical organization calling itself the New World Order, pushing for worldwide government, a cashless society, open borders. total and complete tyranny, where human beings are absolutely worthless. There's six and a quarter plus billion of us, and the globalists have said it many times. There's too many of us. We're causing a problem. We need to be cold at the tune of 80%. It's amazing to talk about that, but it's the globalist, the UN, their own public statements, and they've convinced a lot of liberals and elitist conservatives and others that by going along with this,

that we're intelligent members of society. It's the ultimate Malthus world view. It is this radical, virulent form of social Darwinism. It's the excuse of tyrants. And by creating open borders, well, there's no national sovereignty and only global bodies that control all the resources, by centralizing and socializing health care, the state becomes God, basically when it comes to your health. And then by releasing diseases and viruses and plagues upon us, we then basically get shoved into their system. 20 years ago,

Alex Jones, this man made that statement. And then look at the show we've been talking about today. The President of the United States signing into action some form of an artificial intelligence bill. We just watched the weaponization of a virus that has taken away our rights and to take over the world. by health departments, okay? I'm sorry. Like, I'm not sitting here. I'm not here to defend any actions. What I'm saying is there is a person that has been at this longer than I have, and many of us have,

that has been really trying to warn us for a very long time. And so that's number one. This book, go get this book, read this book, forget about who read it. It is so important right now. You will understand things with a clarity that you have not seen it before. I mean that. I'm not making a sent off this book. I'm trying to help you find the things that are moving me in the right direction. Number two, I think that this conversation comes down to something that is very precarious. In many ways, this is a question about what is the difference between a lie and a mistake or getting it wrong? And so as I sat and thought about it, I thought, you know, there have been mistakes by the news, a lot of them. If we're going to call what Alex Jones does

news. We had almost every news agency in this country promote the idea of weapons of mass destruction. We went into war because of that statement. We sent our own soldiers to die in a war. We murdered innocent civilians, whether it was by accident or an accepted casualty in that country, only to find that the entire thing was a lie to begin with and certainly a mistake by everyone that covered it. What is the responsibility of those news agencies? Did they ever apologize to us? And then let's look at you. at COVID. Let's look at the promotion of the vaccine. We just opened up the show with virtually everyone you respect as a news anchor, dancing around like it's a musical moment, you know,

trying to coax us all in our children to get a vaccine that never had a safety trial. Never had a safety trial. What do we do with those people now telling it was going to be 95% effective? It's 0% effective. Everyone has gotten sick. No one's apologizing. And then how about all the news anchors that denied hydroxychloroquine, as Mickey Willis so importantly put in his brilliant movie about ivermectin discusses, people's lives were lost. There are doctors that say that over a half a million people have died in the United States of America because they were denied access to or didn't believe that the use of ivermectin worked, even though studies keep coming out from around the world showing how incredibly effective that is. What do we do with

those news anchors that got, I potentially you could say, got people, killed by their reporting in these situations. Are they forgiven? Do we forgive them? How big is a mistake? Or how big is a lie? How big should it be that we erase all of the other things that maybe you got right? And lastly, when I think about all of those people, whoever you're thinking in your mind, I would interview them. This is the high wire. It's about this precarious, you know, news situation. And I understand, let me make this clear. I understand those of you that wrote into the and said, Del, you know, by interviewing him, you're aligning with him. That is such a misconception of what news is or what I do.

But it's what we have gotten used to because it's what we're seeing in the news. What we see on CNN, what we see on MSNBC, even Fox, is propaganda. They're only interviewing people that are going to say exactly what they want them to say. So I understand how we've been cold into this idea that the news, once you interview somebody, you're aligned with them. But that's not what news is. and it's not what news is supposed to be, and it's not what's happening here.

I am coming from an older school form of the news. I remember when Barbara Walters would have cut off one of her arms to get to talk to Gaddafi, you know, or, you know, Fidel Castro, you know. This is how it used to be done, or Osama bin Laden. I mean, those were, you would be fighting as a news anchor to get that interview. And now does it mean that you're aligned because you get that interview? Let me, I have news for you. tomorrow if Anthony Fauci will sit down right here

I will interview him and I will be kind with him I will try to find where we agree so that I can understand how to get into the conversation where we disagree I would interview Joe Biden I would interview Rachel Maddo and Sanji Gupta or Putin or Zelensky that is my dream this is what I do because these are the people that make the world that we live in these are the people that are affecting our lives

they are don't you want to know how they think don't you want to know what's going on with them don't you want to know if you fully understand the mistake they made or whether it was a lie or not I don't know I'm not going to push you into that but I will say I care I want to know

and I've said from the beginning I've never lied to you because I want to know the highway is going to be a journey of meeting and trying to understand the people around us and so that's what we're going to do and lastly when I think about where I come from. I've told you I'm a minister's son. And so that weighed in this week too as I thought

about this. And I thought about quotes like, judge not that you be not judged. Who am I to judge? I can only ask questions. That's what I do here. I try not to judge. He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone. Jesus, obviously in that situation, talking to a prostitute that bothered everybody. He shouldn't do it. He shouldn't align himself. And then my native, American background, never judge another man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins. That's how I'm wired. I'm not here today to try and prove anything to you. I want to have a conversation with a man that is said to have been responsible for getting Donald Trump elected, one of the most controversial presidents that's ever existed and still were in battle with

conversations about Donald Trump every day in the news even when he's not president. I want to know how all this happened. I want to know how Alex Jones is in the state. situation he's in. And for that reason, it's time for my interview with Alex Jones. I hope you'll take the time and get what you can from it. Thank you. All right, in his brand new book, The Great Reset and The War for the World, Alex Jones is described right here on the cover. Alex Jones has been dubbed the most controversial man in America. I don't think that's an exaggeration. He joins me now in studio. Alex Jones. Dale, thanks for having me.

So Alex, in the last month, you've had documentary come out about you, Alex's War. You didn't produce it. It's about you by an independent group of filmmakers. You just got, I think, one of the biggest settlements that you're having to pay out. We're seeing just under $50 million you have to pay out in a lawsuit that is some form of defamation, and we'll get into the details of that. And you have just released a book about The Great Reset, and I look forward to talking about it. I'm just excited to be here and I'm going to spill my guts today.

People are going to get unfiltered, so get ready. That's what this is all about looking forward to it. Here we go. You've had a hell of a month. What is your energy like in the midst of successes, books, movies, and being dragged through the holes, you know, in the media? You know, I'm really just more worried about all these experimental shots being given to six-month-olds and up, and the massive carnage is coming out of that.

So as frustrating as my life is and some of the tribulations, I've been through, I really see what's happening to the military being made to take these experimental shots and medical workers being made to take it and then watching the people that pushed it, leaving the sinking ship, now admitting it doesn't work and doesn't protect people and it's hurting people and watching Trump still defend it. On a Richter scale, that's a 10. What's happened to me is a 2. But I know why they're targeting me and misrepresenting what I've said and done out of context

because once they've built up that straw man of Alex Jones and once we've done, don't defend Alex Jones's right to free speech, then everybody loses their right. And plaintiff's lawyers said in the closing arguments that they want to set the precedent to shut down all independent media and anyone questioning any official narrative. Alex Jones is patient zero for our society's inability to speak without lies. Speech is free. lies you pay for. So I ask of you to take the bullhorn away from Alex Jones and take the first steps towards taking that bullhorn away from all the others who have it or all the others who might want

it, all the others who believe they can profit off of fear and misinformation. So that's what they're pushing. That's what they want. And they said in their closing arguments, Take him out. Take away his platform. Take away his soapbox. Silence him. Never let him rebuild again. Truly, you have the ability today to stop this man from ever doing this again. From continuing to tear the fabric of our society apart for the great monetary gain that he has received thus far and to send a message again to those who desire to do the same.

I ask that with your verdict, you not only take Alex Jones' platform that he talks about away. I ask that you make certain he can't rebuild the platform. That's what matters. Take him out of this discourse, of this misinformation, of this peddling of lies, and make sure he can't do it again. That is punishment. And I face the second defamation to Connecticut this month and then another one in Texas all run by the same group.

Well, I mean, obviously you're talking about these cases that revolve around Sandy Hook. Let's take it back. So let's take it back a little ways to just talk about how you find yourself in this position because I think without context it's hard to understand what's really going on here. And so your documentary, Alex's War, came out. I'll have to say, you know, I learned a lot about you. It's pretty much just a straightforward documentary that just lays out so the chronology of your life.

But one of the things that I heard this story about a journalist that got into, you know, the Bohemian Grove, which was this gathering of the elitists, and we hear about like Jekyll Island, these types of things, but there's this event that happens and are they dancing around with horns on their head? And I always heard about a journalist that had sort of infiltrated, somehow snuck into that space.

And until watching the documentary, I didn't actually realize that that was you. So this is Alex Jones, you know, almost two decades ago, I guess, now, infiltrating the famous Bohemian Grove gathering of the elitists for their sort of cultish, you know, I don't know, life war dance. Take a look at this. It was in the late 1990s, and John Ronson was at the end. to do a TV show for Channel 4 titled Secret Rulers of the World. And he already had a contact inside Bohemian Grove,

but he didn't want to have the liability of being sued if he got the footage. So he wanted me to get the footage. I didn't know where the men like Henry Kissinger and George W. Bush really dress in robes and attend a secret owl-burning ceremony in the forests of Northern California. The ceremony said to be called the cremation of care.

It was hard to believe that Alex was intent on discovering the truth. Ah, it's my red coat, friends. How you guys just saw were late. I mean, I didn't even know about the Bohemia Grove until asked Alex to sneak in. And then, of course, I got roped into that, too. As a final preparation, Alex and Mike practiced being preppy by having appropriately preppy conversations. We're just going to walk normally as we would, calmly, la-la-l-l-long.

There's me guys sitting there, and we're fat cats, so let's go ahead. It was the night of July 15, 2000. Mike Hansen and I were about to attempt the first ever successful infiltration of the Bohemian Grove. Others have tried and failed. No one has ever actually made an in-and-out, with video evidence. A super scary situation. I mean, these are, you know, maybe government officials, CIA, FBI.

I mean, all the rumors of what's happening inside the Bohemian Grove. And he states he's terrified to go in. You just think there's nothing that can happen to you or you just don't care? No. I wanted to see what's really happening. So it's kind of like hunting instinct of just carry out a mission. And then once you click to that, you just do it. And I wanted to see if they really work.

from Big Allen did all this. I quite frankly didn't think it was going to happen. I thought this is made up. And then once I got there, I'm even in the crowd of a thousand men. It's all male watching this ritual. And I'm saying, hey, this is really cool. They go, shut up. This is a very important ritual.

So they were taking it very seriously. It was very Faustian. It had Egyptian, Babylonian, druidic rights. I later went and researched. And once I had the footage of the actual ritual, and it was a composite of a bunch of pagan rights to take the effigy of a child and to sacrifice it, and then to put all of their cares and all of their bad deeds onto the child as a sin-eater or a scapegoat for the next year.

Our funeral fire awaits the corpse of care. Ill fellowships eternal flame. Once again, midsummer sets us free. And so it was an actual ritual. They take it very, very seriously. So I was that night. I snuck in for about four or five hours. I've been there about three hours.

The sun went down. I'd already walked in, seen the owl, seen the lake. I got there. I got the footage. And then on the way out, trying to get out at night, then I was concerned. I thought, okay, these are crazy people. Because, again, even while they're doing it, I'm like, oh, this is an art project. But I'm looking at all these rich men, most of them, millionaires, and they are crazed.

Because there's light, and I can see their faces. I'm with them standing on the other side of this little lake, this little. pond with this ritual going on and they were taking it deadly serious it was that point I went whoa and then Mike's like hey this wasn't that bad let's sneak around some more because by then he wasn't as scared and I said no we're getting out of here now so when that aired was there any pushback on that did they act like it never happened is it and is it still going on every year as we know it I mean did anything change they did stuff like we shot the footage and then we were supposed to mail it to L.A. to World of Wonder the production

company and I and we dubbed it we copied the the digital tapes, mailed it, never came. Mail another copy. They get erased tapes. So we then had to mail it under another name to another place, and the tapes got there. So they were intercepting the mail trying to stop the tape of the ritual to get there. So we had that happen. Then the show came out six months later on national British television and then on U.S. television. And people were pretty blown away by it. And so I would say that was the biggest thing I'd done up to that point. I'd already been on air about five years when that happened. But it was huge. It was huge because someone like me who's, you know, working in television doing different things, I knew the story. I just, I never saw it,

but it's sort of like, you know, film lore. It's out there and you're the guy behind that. So let's let's talk about, you start off in cable access. Part of what you talk about in the documentary, which I think was interesting, is how did you get into, I suppose in some ways you're like the king, the godfather of conspiracy theory to begin with or, and I hate that term because I think it's just used almost as a pejorative

but the investigation of government as we know it, especially the U.S. government and what they've got going on. Why, what in you developed sort of a strong skepticism of government and

media, where did that come from? Growing up, I was into comic books. I was into science fiction. I mean, I was a jock, too, but I liked to read a lot. And so, I mean, I enjoyed reading, like, Conan the Barbarian books written in the 30s and things. And then by the time I was about eight or nine,

I started reading history books. I thought that was way more interesting. So I asked my parents to start buying me children's history books. And by the time I was about 10, I was reading adult history books. So I already kind of know how the world worked just by reading a ton of history. And it was so much more interesting because every page was like a new battle, a new war,

all these things had happened. And this had actually gone on. This wasn't fiction. So I got addicted to history and they say those that don't know history are doomed to repeated. And so I was just a big history buff. And by the time I was about 16, I'd read no exaggeration, probably 500, 600 adult history books and was just voracious about it.

And so that kind of set me up to see the world a different view. than the average teenager that was just playing video games and watching Hollywood movies. That's just sort of, it breaks the image that we have of sort of where people group themselves, especially in high school. Well, sure. I mean, jocks today are the warrior class, even though they're not really. And so people think the warrior class doesn't know history and the little bookworm does. Right.

But in all ancient cultures, the warriors knew history more than anybody else. Like, the warrior was supposed to know all the history and all those things. And so, I mean, I think that, I just unconsciously kind of, got into that because I was attracted to history and to things that had taken place. And I wasn't attracted to violence or just war itself, but I did read history because it was so incredibly interesting. And so I got a classical education, you know, just by the fact that I fell into history. So was there anyone in your family that sort of gave you an inside scoop into how things actually work or did anyone care about that that sort of set you off?

Yeah, they never really pushed it on me, but I did have a lot of family that worked in intelligence agencies and the military and stuff like that. And they would come around and talk crap about the government and how the government was doing bad things and how they were trying to do good things. And they weren't malcontent. They weren't people complained. They were people that had been in charge of a lot of stuff.

They were just hit a certain level and said that it was corrupt and that bad people were taking over the government. And that there was a real problem. Like my mom's dad had developed secret weapons for the Pentagon and involved a bunch of stuff that he never told a family about. and then my mom's brother had been involved in a bunch of stuff and I ran Contra and then a bunch of other family had been involved in stuff and so they never told me any of it they would just sit there and say what you're seeing on the news is pure crap and when I was about seven years old

my dad handed me a copy of between two ages in the technotronic era by his fingers i was a biger and he said when you're old enough read this book this is how the world really works and that book written in the 70s is a blueprint for what they've now built if you read that book. And so it was pretty interesting. And some of those discussions are in your book. You've written here, Brazinski and Trilateral Commission and sort of how this was all put together. So let's get into that a little bit because politically I find this very interesting. And frankly, reading this book, one of the shocking things, I mean, I'll just say right up front,

in my family, Jimmy Carter was like almost like Jesus. And I remember my father saying things like, you know, Carter believes in making America the breadbasket of the world, that we can feed the world. There's like this very beautiful idea that we had so much here in America we could take care of everybody, right? Rosalind Carter ends up that's one of the things that I've learned the last couple years. It's like the mother of the vaccine program mandated vaccines, things like that.

I'm like, oh my God. You know, in a family that I grew up unvaccinated. So there's this dichotomy, but also talk about like trilateral rural commission. And I didn't realize Carter was such a big part of that. And as you start seeing right there, it's almost like the entry space for this globalist thought system. Whereas from my perspective, growing up, I was being told in our family that this is a great thing. We're going to feed the world. We're all going to come together.

There would be comparisons to it's like Star Trek, Dallas, like Star Trek, where we're all for the good of the whole and this whole idea. And there was a beauty to it. The UN was like the greatest idea that all nations coming together. You're hitting on the whole corporate world government false ethos they put out to the general public of world peace. And America's the breadbasket. And we're going to like we're the Star Trek, you know, high-tech humans coming to help the primitives on another planet. Yeah. We're going to save the third world.

That's how they sold everybody on getting on board. But if you go back and actually read what Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger in the 70s, were saying, they were saying State Department of Merandum 200, we're going to bring in world government, we're going to depopulate people, we're going to ship poison and intoxic waste in third world because they're worthless. I mean, this is all stated policies. And so you can say that Carter probably actually believed in the official story. I think he was being scapegoated.

But Zabrygne Brzezinski and David Rockefeller with the Trilateral Commission, they were really setting up the skeletal system of this world government. And if you really look at the Great Reset and Klaus Schwab, we're destroying the old infrastructure, but not actually building a new one. We're destroying the carrying capacity of the planet so that we can collapse populations. That's agenda 21, a gen 2030. So now that we see what they actually were planning,

it's the very opposite of this utopian view that they got all the good academics and clergy and people behind believing they were joining the government or joining corporations or joining the Peace Corps or joining the CIA to go create all this incredible liberty. But once the people got higher level in it, they found out, no, we're not building a utopia. We're building a tyranny.

So I think that's why, so my family was involved in all that and found out this is not what we're actually building. This isn't what we were, this isn't what we recruited for. This is what they're going to build. They're going to use food as a weapon. They're going to cut off the resources. They're going to put microchips to everybody. They're going to forcibly inject people and give them a soft kill, slow kill weapons.

I remember being in high school. I remember being 13, 14, and my uncle lived in San Antonio who had been involved in all sorts of stuff around the world. And believe me, he wasn't in any, any shrieking violent. He got recruited in Vietnam because he would do whatever they told him clandestinely. So they ended up put him in charge of much stuff because he would fly anything they wanted around. Let's go to that way. But he said there was a point he hit in his life when it was what was going on in Latin America was too horrible.

And he had to say now and got out of it. So it wasn't like these were little angel cakes that could handle stuff. It was like they were so evil that they're like, we're not doing this. And I said, what was it? It was right before he died. And he said they were smuggling kids out of Guatemala the government was. But now look at the border. and the kids being smuggled.

This is a really evil, dark thing that isn't our government that is in charge on top of all of this. And when the UN says hundreds of millions are going to starve to death, they're not whying, but they helped run it with the lockdowns. It wasn't COVID that's killed 60 plus million extra people the last two and a half years. They admit it's starvation, not caused by the virus, but caused by their lockdown to destroy supply chain systems.

And so this is a post-industrial attack. That's what the great reset is. When you really look at your story, which has actually bounced back politically in every direction, I think I really remember hearing about you first, and it was sort of the liberal progressives around me, that were really excited about this guy that was against George Bush and the Iraq war. I mean, you were really, you know, railing on George, at the same time I was. Everybody should investigate 9-11 and find out who's really behind it. It's Bush's and the New World Order's Reichstag.

And his cousin, Kerry, isn't going to save you either. Now, it was easy for me because I sort of grew up as, I'm being perfectly honest, you couldn't be a more loudmouth progressive liberal than I was at the time growing up in Boulder, Colorado. I mean, that's like, you know, it's a crystal cathedral of liberalism. And there's still values I hold from that. But the point being, you're out there and you are railing on George Bush and this war that I'm saying there's no good can come of this. this is a family that is making money pumping gas through pipelines and taking control. I don't see how this has anything to do with America or our strength. And what do we need with a bunch of people?

How are we afraid of a country that can't throw a rock far enough to hit us? And so what's fascinating is in that moment, there's this huge surge where you have a, you had a lot of liberal, progressive supporting the work that you were doing. You're a big hero to them, right? Absolutely. I mean, I've never, here's what happens. when a Democrat's in office, I get called a right-wing fascist. And then when a Republican was in office, they would call me a communist.

Just because I knew it was the same deep state, the same permanent state, they had a bunch of PR about what they stood for. But at the end of the day, it was an anti-human, anti-American, anti-third world, anti-truly progressive system. And so I wasn't thinking about it as if political labels. And so I'd been against Clinton because of the things he was doing. but I wasn't super famous then. We have military special computers, we have missile guidance systems,

and nuclear technology, separation technology, in three and two-stage intercontinental ballistic missiles being transferred to China. I mean, I don't know why he's doing it. It's very, very frightening. That's treasonous. That man needs to be hung for treason. Well, no, we don't need to create a martyr. He needs to serve a long-term in federal prison. Then I was against George. George W. Bush and 9-11 and all the connections to that.

And so I exploded with the liberals. And I was like going out to San Francisco and New York giving speeches on national TV at major progressive events and getting awards and stuff. But then they'd say, but you're pro-life and pro-gun. I'd say, yeah. And they'd say, well, that's okay because you don't like the Republicans. I was in the cult. And I was getting called to Martin Sheen's house and, you know,

at parties with Brad Pitt and all the rest of this stuff. We're talking 20 years ago. Right. And like, hey, we're going to put you in movies and we're going to do all this. And I was like, no, I don't really want to be part of that. and then Obama came in. And then all of a sudden, these people are calling me, well, why are you bashing Obama?

And I'm like, well, he's keeping the wars going. He's funding all these radical groups for destabilization. He's pushing all the same agenda. He's run by the same people. He's there to get the left on board with this corporate New World Order agenda. And so then the left didn't know what to do. They kind of got freaked out. And then I saw Trump come along and saw the power structure legitimately get upset about him.

And before, I didn't really like Trump. I thought he was some cheesy reality show. guy that owned hotels. But then when I saw him attack him, I thought, well, he was actually anti-war previously. And he did question 9-11 when it happened and thought there were bombs the building. So the more I learned about Trump, the more I liked him. And then Trump's people reached out. They wanted support, talk to Trump some. And they said, no, no, we're going to impress you. We're going to control the border. Stop the human smuggling. We're going to stop the fentanyl. We're going to stop all these wars. We're going to bring our jobs back. And I'm like, okay, well,

I mean, certainly I'm going to then get behind this. And then Trump started running, and then they went, okay, Jones is Trump's brain, which I was never really his brain. Steve Bannon and Steve Miller and a few of those guys were his main advisors, though I had inspired them. I now know I've talked to him. But I was just pushing a classic Americana populism that was anti-imperialism, anti-corruption, anti-war, pro-prosperity, that transcended all these football, you know, divergenary issues. And so I mean, I guess I was more Trump's brain that I knew. So they ran all these TV ads saying Trump's brain is Alex Jones.

Hillary's last month was mainly Alex Jones. It's also what happens when you listen to the radio host, Alex Jones, who claims that 9-11 and the Oklahoma City bombings were inside jobs. So that built me up in the liberal progressives mind as like Godzilla attack in Tokyo, and actually made us a lot bigger. I mean, we had eight years. 87 million different IP addresses. That wasn't hacking.

That was real people coming. Come to InfoWords.com in the week before the 2016 election. We had, you know, 10 times the viewers of CNN, three or four times CBS, all of it. So we had the biggest audience in the lead-up and then for that period. So then they started the de-platforming, the shadow. In their mind, Alex Jones got Donald Trump elected. Oh, absolutely. And what really happened was when they started demonizing Trump for his populist affiliations with myself and others, then my audience said, okay, he must be good.

So Politico asked me years ago, when Rand Paul first elected the Senate, he came on the show, he backed him and all that. They said, how could we have beaten Rand Paul? And I said, corporate media is so discredited, you should have endorsed Rand Paul if you wanted to beat him. But you would never do that. It's the same thing. When they said I ran Trump, they said it for about three months for the end of the election, that made his poll numbers actually go up internally. So their own prophecy was fulfilled. And the truth was, I wasn't influencing Trump that much. He just kind of came along and took over the populist movement that I was part of. And so he rode in on that wave, and he tried to deliver on some of it, but on a lot of he failed. But regardless, now on the Democrats' brain, I am literally the nerve center of the Republican Party. I run everything, which I don't. But because of them saying it, now it's becoming true. And so I'm actually horrified now because they think I'm like the top general, and it's actually becoming that because they keep saying it. It's bizarre.

They're creating the monster that they're afraid of. They're creating the monster, just like exactly. You know, the Godzilla analogy is setting off the hydrogen bombs wakes him up. And I'm not Godzilla. They're waking up the popular sleeping junk. Right. Correct. And at this point, I'm just like, Dude, I don't want civil war. I don't care who's in power. I'm not trying to be in bed with the Republican Party, Democratic Party. I'm not trying to get government contracts.

I'm not trying to get financial, you know, political donations. I just wanted freedom, and I don't want to be political, not because they attacked me, but because it's seedy and it's gross, and I came from the outside, and now they put me in the center of the inside and have weaponized everything to take me out, and actually it's just making me bigger, which is, I'm not stupid. as I get bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, now, it makes it more dangerous. Right. Where I got to have 24-hour security and all the rest of it.

So I wasn't looking for this, but the alchemy of the dialectic they've created, whether they knew they did it or not, has... Well, that'd be my question because in some ways, it's a bit like I think they create monsters. I think they push Donald Trump because they thought he's such a cartoon, will easily be able to beat him. Hillary will wipe him out. So the media really had fun pushing him and really moving him through all the debates. He got all the attention, right? It was like a clown show to them. They gave him all the attention thinking he'll be the one we can beat, yet they made him bigger, bigger, bigger to the point where by the time it came around, he was invincible.

Everyone was watching him. We were all, whether we were against him or for him, you were addicted to the show. Absolutely. I am so sick of media. I don't really watch anybody else's podcast hardly ever. but my wife watches you every week. I watch almost every week when I get a chance because you always have such incredible insights

and put it better than I do. It's not your opinion what you just said. It later came out that Hillary pressured CNN and ABC and others, just like we now learn Zuckerberg admits the FBI told them don't let the laptop story get out. That's an election meddling just a minute. But what you just said is totally true. Hillary election meddled on purpose in internal memos

that have come out that Trump's a clown. He'll be the easiest to beat. of all these candidates, make sure he wins the nomination. And then they built the monster, Frankenstein, but Hillary is Dr. Frankenstein. Right. Yeah, and what's crazy is, I don't know this is true, but the whole point is,

Dr. Steve Pachinich did run psychological operations to the CIA and the State Department. And he told me, he won't come on the show now for whatever he's not doing any interviews, he has something going on. But he told me basically all this stuff would happen, like five years ago, 10 years ago, he would say, oh, we're running a dialectic and you watch, and as long as you can take it, watch what we're going to do to you, and we're going to attack you,

and it's going to make you bigger. And I'm like, dude, you're an old man, you're crazy. Wrote the Tom Clancy books and all that. And now whatever is going on, either he was boasting something that wasn't true or that happened. And I'm not with the CIA. I'm not up here getting orders from anybody, but there's some big brains up there that know how to build monsters. and whoever told them to try to put Trump in, Hillary didn't want that. She believed her advisors that said, put him out there.

Well, what are they doing to me? What do they think having me on every channel, every newspaper, every day does? It doesn't make us smaller. It makes us bigger. So here's what I'm saying is, this is sophisticated. And I'm actually in over my head at this point. I don't know what's going on. I keep getting asked the same question.

I keep looking to try, you know, is it this tiny group of families that are running all of this? Is it the big question to be? Is it Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab? These are the people we see. Now, everyone will say, if you can see them, then they're not the people. But in my mind, in my mind, what I've been saying is, look, Bill Gates is arguably one of the richest people, at least on paper that we see. And he has certainly stepped forward and made some brilliant moves. I mean, moving. You know, moving into, let me just, I'm going to diversify, get out of my monopolies that I'm in court and I'm in a devil. in the United States of America. I'm going to look like a good person. I'm going to get into NGOs and nonprofits and I'm going to start buying up the World Health Organization.

I mean, this guy's genius. Who saw that? Well, that's the whole global model. Let me be 100% clear. I don't know why Hillary told them I want to run against Trump and thought she could beat him and play it into that.

I'm saying these big brains above, I don't know if it's true that there's a higher level group that says attack Jones because that's going to make him even bigger and then the populist movement will win in the end. That's what the former head

psychological operations the CIA told me they were going to do years ago before all this happened, and I just rolled my eyes and hung the phone up. Right. Okay. So they see trends that are already there and claim responsibility for it? I don't know. I know there's a lot of ineptitude in government corporations you name. But I do know who's steering the main movements to the planet.

And it is the World Economic Forum, the Debo's group, that is the public spokesperson for the Bilderberg group. Klaus Schwab was the former steering committee head of it. He is the mouthpiece for the 14. 500 that won a corporate world government that want a global social credit score, that want a global carbon tax based on a vaccine ID platform. That's happening. And they do want to break up the family. They do want to take over our autonomous bodies. They do want to have medical control over us. They do want to put nanotech and chips in our bodies. They're all over the place staying and they are having this revolution where we're going to be forcibly merged with machines.

So that movement is public. The global government is there. And we know as the spokespersons, It's Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, Prince Charles, and in the past, people like Ted Turner and Yuval. Novel Harari. And they all speak the same language. You've got Bill Joy, Halfway, saying, well, he's against it, but here's their plan. The owner of some microsystems you have, you know, the Unabomber on one side saying this is all coming. He was CIA. Theodore Kaczynski looked out of him.

He was at M.K. Ultra. all of this going on. And so this is the real world. This is what they're building. This is what they're setting up. And so that's all documented on record. The claim by the higher ups is they're not just building that evil takeover. The real Illuminati is these thought leaders, do you call it,

who believe they're creating a dialectic where they want to have full spectrum dominance to control the evil AI takeover, but to use it to torture humanity into this biological metamorphosis and advanced accelerated. evolution to create the Uber mention. And they believe the Uber mention will then defeat this AI cyborg attack. And that's actually what the inventor of the telecommunication satellite, the idea, the Russians first launched it, but the inventor of the telecommunication satellite, former OSS, MI6,

spy leader, that's what the guy that wrote 2001 Space Odyssey talked about in speeches he gave before he died, saying, no, Augustine Clark's 2001 Space Odyssey is an art type of for what's going to happen. So he launched the best humans we've got into space for alien contact and all of a sudden the computer takes over and tries to kill everybody, but then one human survives, defeats it, makes an interdimensional jump, then goes and has recarnated it back to Earth to be the Christ. And that's the real Illamani religion. And that's what they actually believe. So Elon Musk. I mean, in here, there's this guy, he has got neuralink. He's going to like tap into your brain and the internet. Yet he says things like, you need to be regulating him.

You need to stop us. You need to slow us down because what is happening here with AI is moving so fast. He said it's more dangerous than nuclear energy or power or bombs ever was, and yet we are running free here. This is the Wild West. We have to figure out some way to ensure that the advent of digital superintelligence is one which is symbiotic with humanity. I think that's the single biggest existential crisis that we face and the most pressing one. I'm not normally an advocate of regulation and oversight. I mean, I think one should generally go on the side of minimizing those things. But this is a case where you have a very serious danger to the public.

And therefore, there needs to be a public body that has insight and then oversight on, to confirm that everyone is developing AI safely. This is extremely important. I think the danger of AI is much greater than the danger of nuclear warheads by a lot. And nobody would suggest that we allow anyone to just build nuclear warheads if they want. That would be insane. And mark my words, AI is far more dangerous than nukes. It seems like he feels like let's just upgrade ourselves a little bit so we can stop the real AI, which is the fear.

Is that what you're saying is happening? There's a group that wants to use AI mixed with humanity to defeat just straight up, you know, well, that's what he's going to be here. Well, exactly. If anybody was the head of the Illuminati, who's public, you would stay at Ceylon Musk. Okay. And they have they have Illuminati as an evil connotation back to what is more in modern culture. And you have Adam Vizops Lumini 250 years ago in Germany and France, which ran the French Revolution.

It was bad. But that was bad guys. and I'm not endorsing the Illuminati. I'm just saying that was bad guys claiming they were the Enlightenment, they were the Illuminati to recruit everybody. Kind of like the left

with Jimmy Carter recruited everybody for World Peace, but it was evil being set up. Real Illuminati means illumination, not keep people in the dark. And so the real Illumani, I would say, they're trying to create a balance

of good and evil to try to control things. You see that in Star Wars where Darth Vader is supposed to create the balance of the force and all the rest of it. And it's cheesy, but then at the end

he does actually do it. So if you want to see that. That's how their thinking works is in dozens of moves ahead. And so, yes, Elon Musk saying things like, listen, I've got NeuroLink. I want to put a chip in your brain first. But control me, this is dangerous. Don't do it. They metaphysically have to tell you there's a danger. But then he says, no, the only way to beat what they're creating is you get augmented now, which is really true. I'm not endorsing that. I'm saying humans have always changed our evolution. We've always changed our development. So he's being more honest about this is coming, but we should be in charge of

it, not this other breakaway group that wants to be in charge of it, but that's also another seduction as well. I think really none of this overall is good. I'm against technology itself, but the way it's being implemented is destructive against everybody. But sort of what we are as a species. One of the things I get in trouble when I say, I don't think Bill Gates sees himself as an evil person. I think he truly believes he is making the world a better place. I think he believes if you don't do what I say, if we don't block out the sun right now global warming is going to get so out of control we won't be able to grow any food i'm buying up the farms to do everything right you know all of these things and so to me it's what's

happening if you think about that illuminati right let's say that there is coming from a good place right a place where we have all the finances we understand the history books we've done all of this throughout time we're more we're more educated than the masses are we need to we are going to have to move you in a place you don't understand but we're going to be you know the last light workers, but isn't the problem, and I think really getting down to it, and I don't know what your religious beliefs are, but it's a total lack of God. I mean, when it ends up being, no matter how much it wants to be the light, it has forsaken God. It doesn't believe that there's anything greater. There's no greater mind than human intellect and maybe boosted human intellect with AI,

and that's where I think it's becoming, it can't avoid being evil, because no matter how good its intention is it believes is the final say and everybody else is stupid. It's just turned itself into the new creator, has it not? Well, that is the best. Exactly. They're saying it's for your own good, but they're setting themselves up as God, but not a God that the Christian and Jewish faith believe gives us free will. This God takes your free will, censors you, controls you, and wants to insert you into a metaverse so it can get you, trick you through free will to subserve yourself to it. So it's the ultimate deception. It's pure evil. The whole thing is ultra bad news. And no one wants it. You know, kids try the metaverse. They throw up,

they get sick. No one wants it. So now you hear about billions to companies from BlackRock to make their employees wear VR all day. I mean, folks, this is the matrix. First, it's radio. The family no longer talks at dinner. They listen to the radio. Then it's a TV. They don't longer talk at dinner. They watch the TV. Now they're all their own rooms on their own computers are their own handheld devices. Now you're wearing goggles. Now it's a brain ship. So it's like a face sucker. It goes from a radio to a TV to a handheld that's a face sucker that basically takes over your mind, takes it over your body. And they're jacking us in. And the endgame goal is that we do have these souls. We do have this in a connection to higher dimensions in the universe.

And this is a artificial system trying to jack in and use us as as a gateway or a capacitor or a transceiver to jack into higher dimensions. So it's a lower. So it's a lower level silicon life form trying to break through us and use us as a system to break through to the other side. And I think that's basically what we're looking at. This is no longer science fiction. These things are happening around us. You've got Yuval Noah Harari saying we already have the technology. We want to be not we don't care just about where you're standing in the world. We want to know what's happening with all of your bio identification, all these systems underneath their skin. They're already putting nanoplastics and these nanotrackers in everything.

Previously, surveillance was mainly above the skin. Now it's going under the skin. Governments want to know not just where we go or who we meet, above all they want to know what is happening under our skin. Remember last year the FDA said they have no regulatory power over it, just put it food, any nanotech you want. This revolution's already been launched. Yeah, let me ask the question that I grapple with,

because I travel all around the country. I talk about this pandemic. You admit here you said there's three different, you know, reasons that it happened. Either purposefully, this virus was a man-made virus that was released upon us to achieve a globalist system or it got leaked out on accident and therefore, but set up to be a good opportunity. Or your last case scenario is it's natural and they use this as, you know, a moment to just seize and sort of bring the globalization upon us. Obviously, the timing of all of this and event 201 and Operation Locks,

step with the Rockefeller Foundation, they'd always said, we're going to have a world government takeover using disease X, the UN had said. And so the timing of it, all of it was meant to basically, they don't want one country getting more powerful than another, was meant to knock America back down, shut down the West, shut down small businesses, bring in their world government. And that's definitely what they've done. So I believe they released it on purpose. We know it's manmade now. They're not debating that. I think we started losing our YouTube and Facebook when we started having people on discussing gain of function and the fact that this was, you know, created a lab. Which you're totally vindicated.

Right. We just, yeah, right. Right. How do we, like, a lot of people got banned over the hunter and laptop, which they now had been is real. Right. And which we now know the FBI ordered big tech not to allow to election medal. Is the FBI, I think, basically came to us, some folks on our team. It was like, hey, just so you know, like, you should be on high alert.

There was, we thought that there was a lot of Russian. propaganda in the 2016 election. We have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump of, that's similar to that. So just be vigilant. So how do people get reinstated they got taken down for showing a hundred laptops? Exactly right. Why am I not getting a call? Why is the New York Times not apologizing to me for saying that the things I've said when I said, go out and catch this cold, that those that are those that are at risk, we need to protect them. We need to protect the elderly, but those of us that are healthy, this is going to be a cold for you, and we are only going to get to hurt immunity if we all get out there and catch it.

So let's not hide in our houses. Let's get out there. But if you inject people with experimental shots during a pandemic, it will create superviruses. Right. But now what do we have? The CDC is totally changing its tune. And what's the saying? What I basically said, go out and catch this cold.

Because as you know, usually viruses develop something that's communicable, then they get weaker and weaker and weaker and weaker. Yeah. But instead, this thing goes, boom, boom, boom, boom, because. of the shots. And every time they start a new injection, every country goes, because they were creating the mutations. Well, I mean, okay, so. It's all a giant experiment. So let's get into a little bit now. I want to get to something you just said, though. You said that when I brought up the fact that you had three things that might have happened here, and you stayed in this book, that either it's a man-made virus and they released it on purpose, it's a man-made virus, and it got out on an accident,

or it's natural. And you said, you said, well, I only put those three things because I only want it in the book what I could prove, which gets down to the question I think that looms over you right now, which is how do you decide if something is true as Alex Jones and Info Wars? Where is your information coming from and when is it? Do you pull the trigger and say, I'm going to let this rip? Because you just talked about having like an edit in your mind for this book, but I don't think that editor exists on your show. Is that, is that fair to say? I think it's very fair to say that if I write a book, I'm going to really try to get it exactly right. This is like, you know, giving a baby a bath.

I mean, you've got to really be careful. But then when you're out gunslinging on your own live talk show for three or four hours a day, I'm giving my opinion. There's no way to sit there and calculate out. I mean, Howard Stern went on air after Columbine and said he hoped they raped it had sex with the dead bodies. Did those kids try to have sex with any good-looking girls? I didn't even do that. At least if you're going to go kill yourself and kill all the kids, like, why wouldn't you have some sex?

Yeah, I mean, if I was going to kill some people, I'd take him out with some sex. Horrible thing to say, totally terrible. I don't agree with it, but he shouldn't be sued for it, and he wasn't. I question, because other people do and say, maybe this didn't happen, and then I get sued for it. So, so that's basically where this is. We're talking about Sandy Hook, of course, right now. This is the big issue that looms over you. I know the New York Times has been caught lying on purpose about WMD's launch war.

I know because of Project Veritas, CNN's been caught with producers, admitting they lie on purpose, ABC, you name it. You know, Project Veritas is incredible. They got the footage of the ABC anchor going, yeah, we all know he's raping kids. Boy, I'd be famous if I could expose it. I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts. We would not put it on the air. First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein?

No one knows who that is. This is a stupid story. I had it all three years ago. She didn't care about the kids. She's like, I'd be a really big story. instead of, well, you should have gone public, but instead she's caught on a hot video mic, admitting it, which makes it even sicker.

She's laughing about it. It had been a big story, but it wouldn't let me. I mean, I would have gone and left, and you would have gone and left and talked about that. So that's the difference. Let me throw in there, Rachel Maddow. Well, exactly. Rachel Maddow said Trump is a Russian agent.

And then when there were lawsuits, they said, well, she's a pun and she's a lot of opinion, which I agree. But let's be clear, at least the way it goes, when she did get sued, they said she used the Alex Jones defense. Are you aware of that? Which is not true. Okay.

I was in a custody battle five years ago with my ex-wife, and they wanted to bring in a clip of me as the Joker a decade before, doing an obvious satire saying, take drugs, kids, take your Prozac, take your illegal drugs. You'll die and see funny colors, which I was telling kids don't use drugs. Right. And so my lawyer said, when Mr. Jones is playing the part of the Joker, it's clear, just as a judge. Jack Nicholson is playing the part of the Joker, that Jack Nicholson is not the Joker. Mr. Jones is engaged in satire there. And so they then took that and spun that and said that I admit I'm an actor all the time. You ever seen a transcript?

Ever seen a photo? Ever seen a video of me saying, I'm an actor. This is all fake? No. I very rarely do a character. I used to them, you know, every once in a while. Cobra Commander, Mad Scientist.

But when you're not playing a character, you are stating... Because I think the idea was that she's not responsible because what she's doing is just opinion. Yeah, well, what they did is they first claim that I said I was an actor in fake. Okay. And they claim that I admit everything I say is not true.

Where's the video, where's the transcript? It doesn't exist. Okay. And then there's a boilerplate legal defense in federal and state law but particularly state law for defamation, where you argue this is just punditry, this is live analysis,

this can't be taken as journalism, which is at a higher standard. This is just opinion. And so absolutely, a lot of what I do is opinion. I'm not claiming when I write a book, I try to be journalistic. Still probably not perfect. Only the mainstream media calls themselves perfect.

But when I'm ranting on air, I'm trying to tell the truth, but there's hyperbole some and I make mistakes. So that's the difference, but I've never tried to get things wrong. I've never lied to people consciously. And so do you consider yourself a journalist? When I've gone down to the Texas border in the last 20 years, over and over again, including this year and last year,

and we show children as young as six months old, being handed to people they don't even know with no paperwork, and the woman's saying, this is my baby to the TSA, it's handed to a woman, and we show five hours later the same woman going, This is my baby and handing it to another woman with no paperwork. That's human smuggling. That's totally illegal.

That's super dangerous. The Senate report admits it's going on. We are awesome, badass journalist when we fly a drone over the Texas border and show 2,000 Haitians coming across. And then we talked to the Border Patrol whistleblower that says we got a million coming through every month in Texas alone. That's in Texas alone. And we're only catching 20%. That's 8, 10 million people.

a year in Texas. We had those interviews last year. Now those numbers are confirmed. So yeah, when we do have the money, the time, the energy to go out and go to Davos or go to Bilderberg or go to Bohemian Grove and sneak in and get the footage, I mean, I was inside and thrown out of the hotel 10 years ago once Bilderberg started. I hid in the hotel in London, north of London, and caught the footage. I hid in the hotel when the King of Spain arrived. They were playing the music for him. and then they had guys with machine guns throw me out. I mean, so, yeah, I've absolutely done, hardcore journalistic stuff.

Hey, they're piling in that car right now. They've got a car seat for them? You got a car seat? That's illegal, bro. Where are you taking these kids? That's illegal. You get into traffic, you get this one. Where are you taking these kids? You have a car seat.

That's illegal. How is this Christian? Hey, he's the police over here. They got a bunch of kids on the car seat. Hey, you got no comment. You got those children in there illegally. You're about to run a human being over. You got those children in there.

You got those snuggled children illegally. All right, let's not scare the kids enough for you. But four hours a day on the year, I mean, you know, I'll say sarcastic stuff. I mean, the other day I was on air and I was being interviewed by somebody. about the event I hate to even say the name that I barely ever covered that they've made me into. And I said, you ever hear about the guy that shot the kids in Sandy Hook? No, you ever hear about Adam Lanza. No one knows who Adam Lanza is. They had a junior lawyer during my trial here in Texas the last kangaroo trial where I was already found guilty. And I said, you know, no one knows

Adam Lanza. And the lawyer, the junior lawyer goes, who's Adam Lanza? And I go, it's the son of a bitch that killed the kids. Okay. But my point is, so I've got on there instead, I killed him. Fine. Everybody thinks, I mean, you think Sandy Hook. you think Alex Jones, this is ridiculous, but they could take that out of context by Iran on air where I said, I think we should bow five times a day to Sandy Hook. I think we should rename Planet Earth Sandy Hook, or we're not respectful. And I think actually burned at the stake for questioning it. And in fact, I killed him. Now, obviously, that's me being sarcastic. But I expect that they'll probably pick that up and say, Jones now claims he killed the kids, because they're the ones manipulating the record.

They're the ones lying about what goes on. And so, yeah, my own. air too much? Yeah. I should probably take off a month. I've been non-stop for 28 years. I'd never take off ever. And I'd never quit. And I at this point am, you know, out of my mind half the time.

Let's get into it. Because I don't do a daily show we've talked about it. We've talked about it with my team. I have legal, I have one of the greatest constitutional lawyers that's ever lived on my team. I have some of the world-renowned scientists that appear here, others that are anonymously going over and fact-checking everything. And we've looked

in order to do the show the way we do it on Thursday, I do everything I can to make it immaculate. There are things that right up to the last minute, we pull it, go, oh, nope, it didn't end up being true. We got a third source of bubble block, you know, all that. You don't have that. You're not working with that. And when I got remarried six years ago in Hawaii,

I had the same conversation with my wonderful wife. I said, I can't do show six days a week anymore. It's burning me out. And even if I try to get stuff right, see, mainstream media will say they're never wrong or, you know, no, no, no. I mean, I get things wrong, but not on purpose. Right.

I said, I got to slow down. It's killing me. And I said within five years, I want to do one show a week. That's like three hours long. That's well produced, well researched, and hardcore. I'm rested and ready. And write a book a year and maybe make a film a year. And I'll still work three, four days a week.

I'll be able to do research. I'll do it. That's my goal. But my infrastructure, everything's still set up for talk radio, what we're doing. But you're absolutely right. So you were asking me how I research what I do. That's really the answer. And I try to get great, smart experts on like yourself and others,

just because I am beleaguered and not even so much by the attacks on me just by the workload that I established for ourselves. Now, I'm not going to let you off the hook. Sandy Hook. You made statements that were shocking to a lot of people, hurtful to those that would have been parents involved in this, basically saying these are crisis actors,

this is a fake, this thing is a, As a red flag moment, my first question would be, did someone bring you that story? How did you take that angle? Like, why did you take that angle? Well, it's a long story. If you have a huge audience. And if you've got the time, I'd love to hear it. I'd love to tell me what really happened.

Okay. I want to hear it. So I've been completely honest, even in depositions two years ago, they started four years ago, when they started suing me, big Democrat law firms that sued Remington into bankruptcy, you know, really, really serious organizations. I told them. that I had seen Gulf of Tonkin stage, WMDs and Iraq staged, and so many other events, 9-11, with all those serious issues,

and that when everything you've been told the past is a lie, you start to believe everything's a lie. So I said I had kind of a form of almost psychosis. And they ran that everywhere. Jones tries insanity defense and all this stuff. I was being honest that in my process, in the first four or five years after Sandy Hook, that I didn't even cover that month,

much. I did basically get to the point where I believed it may have been completely staged. And I had a lot of reasons for that. And so here's basically how it starts. I took my son and older daughter to school. The younger one was being homeschooled. At that time, she was like five. And I just got to work. And I'm like, they killed 20 kids. This is hard to believe? And I went on there and said, is it staged? Did a black op group do it? Is it real? And we learned that he got a gun from his mommy legally and all this. And he was on Prozac and Ritalin and that the CIA and FBI had visited Adam Lanzah for his hacking events. And two years before saying he'd shoot up a school.

This is all on record. And so we kind of talked about it some. And then the internet, 4chan and YouTube had videos with 10, 30, 40 million views. I mean, I'm the false flag guy. You know, I make films about false flags. I make films about Operation Northwoods. It's real. where it was a plan to have the CIA with their kids,

board a plane under fake names, have the plane blown up, but that's really a dummy plane and have another plane that they land in so we could launch war with Cuba and Russia. So crisis actors and stuff like this is an official CIA battle plan documents they brought to Kennedy,

but Kennedy said no to the plan under LLM.A. LEMN, sir, but that's a side issue. So there's thousands of points that go into this. But so I'm already questioning it. We cover it some, not much. And then along comes some of these professors in Wisconsin and in Florida and in other areas, and they start saying,

we think nobody die. And then Steve Pachanick, that had been the former head of CIA psychological operations on record, and overthrown governments and stuff, he calls me and he says, no, it's really staged, believe me, you need to come out against this. And so I finally, a few years into it, go, okay, I can see how it could be completely staged. They've staged so much other stuff. Those were just shows I did. Then we had a debate with a guy that, a newspaper editor that said it did happen and a professor that said it didn't.

I didn't even host the debate. Out of hundreds of thousands of hours of shows, we did like 23 minutes that they put in the law to they said was questionable. But you had like an ex-CIA. I just wanted to know, like, was this something you drummed up in your mind or did one of your sources come to you and say this was faked? Steve Pachinick had given me great information over and over again. He was in the CFR. He co-wrote Tom Clancy's books. Jack Ryan, he created that character with Harrison Ford.

Ran the Camp David Accords. You look up his name and the assassination of the Italian prime minister. I mean, look him up. This guy is the real deal. He told me they've got bin Laden on ice, and they're going to roll him out right before the 2004 election. And then Walter Cronkite went on with Madeline Albright said, yeah, Bush has been Lodin's dead body. They're going to roll it out as an October surprise.

So I'm like, okay, which they didn't because they exposed it. So I'm going, whoa, Pachinich's the real deal. And Pachinic gave me, and then later they did roll out his dead body. So he gave me thing after thing that was accurate. He told me Trump's going to win. All this stuff's going to happen. And so he told me, and I'm not blaming him. I'm just telling the truth of the story.

He told me, he said, no, it's totally staged. And so at that point in like 2014, I go, okay, yeah, I think it's staged. But in the timeline of my show, four hours a day on air, we're talking 23 minutes of all this stuff together. Most of the time I'm saying I think it happens. Again, Hillary does opposition research against Trump says, okay, Jones is wild man. He's got all sorts of crazy stuff. He said, which is true, not perfect. He even said the victims of the Sandy Hook Massacre were child actors.

and no one was actually killed there. I don't know what happens in somebody's mind or how dark their heart must be to say things like that. We'll just blow that up, run almost $30 million of ads the last few months against Trump. Connecting him to... To me and Sandy Hook.

And so that happened. Then Trump wins. Then they even go crazier. then my ex-wife does a custody battle because the Travis County judge had given me custody of my three children. That happened and now they see 50 news cameras. It's like the O.J. Simpson trial for two weeks. It's all over the

national news. Then all the lawsuits start by the Democratic Party law firms. And once they get their discovery and once they get our emails and text messages and everything, nothing's there. There's no premeditated, let's make money off Sandy Hook. They have judges. They have judges in two jurisdictions, Connecticut, Texas, who are Democrat Party operatives on record, they have them basically default us and say we're already guilty, and then have show trials,

the first of three that started, the first of three is over, to say that I'm already guilty, and then tell the jury how guilty I am, and then here was the worst part. I don't have, well, an IRS audit just ended, and so I had almost no money, but the IRS audit for a year and actually found I overpaid. So now I've got $3 million. But as of a week ago, I had a million dollars. And with an organization, my big, I mean, I mean that big, that is like, that is fumes. And so there's like a million 200,000 in free speech systems, barely enough to pay the employees, keep the lights on, pay the rent, and even try to buy product. That, that's, that they run us to ground. No extra trust, no extra stuff with my kids. You know, my kids have a few

trust left like $400,000 total between all of them. I'm only telling you my financials here because I'm open to the world. They had a guy as the financial expert at the end of the trial two weeks ago. They wouldn't let us put on evidence who told them info wars and free speech systems is worth $130 million and Alex Jones is worth $270 million. That's $400 million. And at that time, I had less than a million dollars in my bank accounts. okay thank God some donations things came in but I'm sitting there and the judge would not let us put on our witnesses and we had sworn federal bankruptcy documents you go to jail those are a lie right we had sworn federal bankruptcy documents of what was going on and they wouldn't put that in so we're slated for destruction they said that's what they're doing to us and I don't feel like a victim I'm just ready to take whatever happens but I mean this is a royal screw job

And so I appreciate the time to tell the story. There's thousands of points. But here's the most important thing. Less than one-tenth of 1% of my news coverage in the last 10 years since Sandy Hook happened was Sandy Hook. Most of it was covering the coverage of it later defending myself. So they took where I kind of flippantly said, yeah, I bet the whole thing stays, blah, blah, blah. They'll probably take a clip of that and say, say, say, say it again. No, I didn't say it was staged.

I was quoting what I said before. and I just barely ever covered it, but imagine you can zoom in on a grand assault and make it look like the Himalaya Mountains. And so they- Well, let me ask you this, because the real question is, how long did you carry that perspective and when did you admit you were wrong? Because, I mean, I think we get the sense that, you know, that the only time you admit you were wrong is once you're finally being sued by these families that have been hurt by this. So, you know, and obviously we can we can check your video sources and you're on record. So when did you get off that perspective and why? I mean, again, I don't have the exact timeline in front of me.

The first two years, I think it happened, but I think they made it help the kid kill him because he's got CIA connections and FBI connections. Adam Lanzum. So you were saying they helped the kid prepare him to do this thing was sort of where you were coming from to begin. Yeah, that's the first. That was your first version of the story. That's the first few years. And then for a year or so, I think it might be staged.

And then for about a year or less than a year, I think it was staged. Didn't say that in 20? And I'm allowed to say that about one. If I want to say the moon's made out of cheese and George Washington murdered Lady Diana, I'm allowed to say it. And that's free speech, man. Judge your own deal. But like I'm literally saying, first couple of years I think they may help kill the kids

and protected the crazy killer. Then for about a year, I think, well, maybe it stays. in a year, I think, yeah, it's staged. That's the quotes. Then by 2015, I don't talk about it until 2016 for almost two years. So I've made to sit through court and read these timelines. That's why I know all this. So for almost two years

I never talk about it. Okay. They're saying my bread and butter is this. I'm bored of this. I'm a Stanley Hookman. Nobody knows Adam Lanz's name. And then Megan Kelly wants to talk to me right after Trump gets elected 2017. And I tell her, I don't want to talk about Sandy Hook. She's, well, we may mention it, no big deal. She comes, the whole interviews about that. They don't sue me for that. My,

my backup ho- What did you say in that? What did you say to her? What was your response when you were talking to her about it? I mean, I told her I thought it happened. And then she goes, well, tell me the anomalies. Tell me why you questioned. Was that devil's advocate? The whole thing is a giant hoax. I tend to believe that children probably did die there. At that point, and I do think there's some cover up and some manipulation, that is pretty much what I believe. But then I was also going into devil's advocate, but then we know there's mass shootings and these things happen. So again, you're trying to have it always, right? No, I'm not. They didn't sue me for that because the statute of limitations. They sued me because Owen

Schroier, who's a great guy and was a sports broadcaster before he worked for Info Wars, who didn't even care about San Hooker, know about it, saw zero hedge article questioning how, if they didn't give the kids bodies to the parents for a week, how they could say they held their dead bodies that day. Zero Hedge has just published a story. Megan Kelly fails to fact-check Sandy Hook's Sandy Hook father's contradictory claim in Alex Jones hit piece.

The statement he made, fact-checkers on this have said cannot be accurate. So he questioned that, and then they sued me for that. That's how they got the statute of limitations. You understand that I never even said the names of these people. like I'm out to get them.

I'm stalking them. I'm riding them down like Planet of the Age, man, and Charlton Heston. Like I am in horseback with bullwibs destroying them. Let's be honest right now, because this, forget about who's blaming who, or whether it was a gun or this and that.

At the moment you realize, holy cow, I got this, I got this wrong, and there are real parents that have really gone through a tragedy. You know, what do you,

what, What goes on inside of you on that part? Forget or do you just sort of defer your focus on all the things that were wrong about the trial? And that's how you get through it. Let me tell you. You want the inside baseball? I do. I want it. I'll give it to you. You say you're sorry for something the media blew up and that they made a big deal.

Because no one was covering it back when I covered the internet and not believing San Diego happened. Like we're not the presenters of San Diego. We're not the ones. Like Jesse Smollett, he's up at 2.30 in the morning and 20. 20 below zero and guys put a noose around his head and dumped bleach on him and say you're in my country. I said on that morning after, I said, I think it's fake. He may assume me? I think it's fake.

There have been over 100 hate crime hoaxes in the past decade. These are documented ones. Remember some guy was trumping over Jewish tombstones in New Jersey and spray painting Nazi crap? And I said, you're all the wrong T. It's a liberal. And if 99% of these are fake, I think it's pretty fair. You know, to question that Jesse Mollinger. I'm sorry, his name is Smutmullet, declares justice will be served as probe into attack continues.

So I'm questioning if this is part two of all of that when we have such a long history of that. That's what I do. I think something's fake. I think it's fake. Okay. Once you realize justice is a perfect example, you call it fake, it ends up proving fake in court. In this case, the moment you realize, oh my God, I got this one wrong, only now these are young children involved, parents that have been through the most horrific thing you can imagine as a parent. As a parent, do you run through that? Does there a thought about what would I be feeling now had some other Alex Jones done this to me? Absolutely.

First, you realized the media took what you did out of context, put it in the news, made a huge news cycle to then hurt those people. So you covered over here, and Haslin and others admit they never heard of me until 2004. 17. So you do this back on your timeline and it's like this. No, no, no, no, they don't know who you are. They're not hearing it. Then the media takes us their attention and it goes straight up. So yeah, I'm sorry the media took my questioning out of context and then came to them. They admit came to them. The day she's on the stand, Scarlett Lewis, I had done a taping for my show before then and I was there for the deal. And she looked at me and she said, I heard you were just on the ear just now saying I'm a fake person and I'm not real. Didn't say it.

Didn't matter. She points at me and says, you said I'm fake today. That's my frustration. It's like, I didn't consciously hurt you. I'm sorry. And then I'm sitting there the day she's on the stand. I went on the ear and I said, I think Scarlett Lewis is totally real. And I want to join our organization for her dead son.

It's not an anti-gun group. It's about love for children. I think she's beautiful and real. And I think that her son died. I'm so sorry. And I think her husband's great. I think he's being able to play by lawyers, but I really care about him.

That turns into your kids didn't die. On the stand. And so what I'm saying is I wasn't consciously a villain. I didn't lie. I got things wrong. And it was a very small part of what I did. The question would be for anyone out there, this is the court of public opinion.

Given that it's being blown up as big as it is, did you ever make an attempt to reach out to the parents to say, I'm sorry I got this wrong? I mean, I did it like 15 times or more. Really? Yeah. I just never got a response. I mean, I shot apologies.

I shot responses. I shot it all. What do you feel about it now? I mean, besides the obviously what is done to your life, as a father, have you put yourself in the position? Had you lost your child and someone was out there, say, do you take yourself to that type of thought ever?

Absolutely. I mean, four years ago, I apologize and said, I believe your children died, and I'm sorry for any pain, and I just questioned things everybody does, and I think your kids died. Before they sued me.

I woke up this morning on Father's Day, and I was holding my young infant daughter in my arms, looking into her eyes. sitting out on the back porch hearing the birds sing, and it just brought tears to my eyes, thinking about all the parents that have lost their children on Father's Day or Mother's Day, who have to then think about that. Parents should never have to bury their own children. And that's why, on Father's Day, I want to reach out to the parents of the slain children

at the horrible tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, and give you my sincere condolences. I'd also like to reach out to any of the parents who lost a child at Newtown to invite them to contact me to open a dialogue. Because I think it's really essential we do that instead of letting the MSM misrepresent things and really try to drive this nation apart. Right now is a time for unity and peace in our country, I think, now more than ever. When I was, quote, convicted to civil courts two weeks ago, they said Jones to, today finally admitted he lied. I didn't lie. I question things. They lied and said, Jones today finally admit that these kids died. That's a damn lie. I'm on Joe Rogan's show in 2019. I believe mass shootings happen and they're real tragedies. And I believe Parkland

happened. And you believe Sandy Hookap. Absolutely. Sorry for the families and I'm sorry for your hurt and I get it and I've experienced crazy people now big time just like you have please stop saying that I'm saying it didn't happen I said that it means nothing they're gonna be in the newsdale next week saying when they when they find me guilty in Connecticut and Texas again you'll see the headlines Jones finally admits children die because they have no respect for their viewers or readers they have no respect that they just ran that headline two weeks ago they're gonna run it again in two weeks, they're going to run it again a month, they're going to run it over and over again,

because they know the public doesn't have a memory. So, so, yeah, how many times do I say, I'm sorry? But they know how those of us that have a conscience to manipulate us, are you sorry, are you sorry, are you sorry, are you sorry? I'm at a gas station. Are you, are you, are you, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's what the communist did in North Korea and China and Russia and Cuba and South Africa is these commissions where you're sorry and then you're sorry and you're sorry and you're sorry over and over again. Will you please? Come on Alex

for the first time ever on Dale Big Tree's show. Jones admitted he lied. I didn't lie. And I already said I'm sorry for years. But the next show will be. Alex, just say you're sorry. I'm sorry. Next show. Alex, you never said it before.

Are you finally sorry? I'm sorry. I'm mad at you about it. I'm just saying in a hundred years, they'll be at my gravesite with a camera saying, is he sorry? Because WMDs in Iraq don't matter. Millions people die out from poison shots don't matter. Open borders, human smuggling,

none of it matters. All that matters is I question a mass shooting the ultimate crime in world history, which is questioning official narrative. And they want to sell the idea that if you question an official narrative, you're the devil. I didn't in hindsight know how big we get or any of this stuff or how crazy this we get. And so now I know how the real propaganda works. And so I wish I would have made the mistakes I made.

But I'm just saying every crime they claim I've committed, they took what I said and blew it up to cause the pain. Okay, so Donald Trump, a guy that you know more than I do. when we look at this this almost war of light and dark a lot of people put on Donald Trump that he in some way is this spiritual savior that he is he's going to be the anti-aluminati right he's going to break this whole thing down go in destroy central reserve banking systems that got us in trouble he's going to take down this AI move like he's a spiritual warrior the QAnon stuff and all this I don't buy that like I don't personally in what I see in him He may carry a Bible once in a while.

I'm not saying he doesn't go to church, but I don't get struck by the sense that he and God are in this dialogue, and I know what I'm going to do today. What is your view of him? Is it? This is a huge subject, and I know who Donald Trump is. I actually know him very, very well, and if one, I can lay it out.

Okay, lay it out.