The Highwire with Del Bigtree - UNPACKING CLIMATE ENGINEERING WITH JIM LEE

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

Del sits down with the founder of climateviewer.com, Jim Lee, to discuss the latest in weather modification and geoengineering. Jim has collected over a decades worth of weather modification history and has archived it so that the public has access. In this segment, Del challenges Jim, and gets to the bottom of what’s really going on in the skies above.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

One of the big conversations that you have all asked us to investigate is these pesky lines you keep seeing up in the sky. Now, there's a lot of conversations about this, and I've told you before, I'm a skeptic on all sides. I'm a skeptic on all sides of every conversation until someone can prove to me otherwise. I need evidence. I need facts. So there's a lot that we know. There's a lot that's reported on. But is that the entire story?

That's what we're going to get into today. Is this the only thing we should be worried about when it comes to chemtrails? Water officials in the Inland Empire want to make it rain. In China, they're waging war on the weather. A drought so severe, they're firing rockets into the sky to make it rain. Lasers now could one day manipulate rain and lightning. They're using science of the process called cloud seeding to increase the amount of rain. areas. We physicists are firing trillion-watt lasers into the sky to actually precipitate rain

clouds and actually bring down lightning bolts. This is potentially a game-changer. Pilots target clouds full of moisture and ejects small amounts of an inert chemical. Then, the water in the cloud condenses around the new particles and gets heavy, falling to the ground as precipitation. Drones and rockets are used to sow silver iodide into the clouds. The The substance has a similar structure to ice and changes the cloud's structure to increase the chance of rain. When we have good chance for a cloud, we send the aircraft to that location. Go under the cloud, start to release all the salt.

We'll go inside the cloud. The droplets will become bigger and start to rain. So does cloud seeding cause flooding? Is it responsible for damaging rain? Is silver iodide a harm to our health or environment? The science and the experts say no. Since the 1940s, people have been seeding clouds and watching the effects with their own eyes.

Since the 1946 experiments of Dr. Vincent Schaefer, we have known that some clouds can be modified through seeding to yield additional precipitation. We're not really playing God. I think that's really overstating what we're doing. Human activity affects the weather all of the time. We're being very specific and targeted and environmentally friendly. Well, it's my honor and pleasure to be joined right. now by weather modification expert Jim Lee. Jim, we here in the high wire, we've been doing,

you know, an investigation really starting to look at chem trails, con trails, whatever you want to call it. And in part of that investigation, a lot of people reached out to us and said, you've got to check out what Jim Lee is saying about these issues. And so just to start off, you know, when people look up in the sky and they see these checks. checkerboards that are, you know, going across the sky, and then they start turning these clouds. A lot of people will say that didn't used to be that way. That is a clear sign that those are chemtrails, that they're spraying toxic poisons in the sky. Is that what these are in your mind? Well, this is probably the most common question that I get. And I had, I ended up doing probably

a two-hour video on my YouTube channel at Climate Viewer on YouTube called I Remember Blue Skies. In my personal opinion, there always has been a cloud problem. And this is based on newspaper articles that we've gathered 850 newspaper articles back to the 1850s. And the earliest documentation we have on, you know, planes making clouds, blocking out the sun is 1950s. 48. And in 1958, Palm Springs, California actually got into it with the Air Force because they said basically their entire tourism industry is predicated on having sunshine filled skies. Yet our skies look like a mob of exuberant sky riders blocking out the sun. And a month later, the U.S. Air Force had a meeting with the city officials of Palm Springs. in 1959 January. And they basically explained to them,

there are skyways or highways in the sky. And you are at the intersection of all air traffic on the west coast. So either, as they put it, live with the vapor trails or move the city of Palm Springs. In 1970, the state of Illinois and New Jersey sued the airline industry for blocking out the sun. Secretary of Transportation, James A. Volp actually stepped in to mediate the lawsuit and try to settle it out of court. And the airline industry agreed to install new burner cans or fuel injectors to reduce particulate emissions over the state of Illinois, New Jersey, promising this would reduce what they called at that time smoke pollution of the sky. So the word Kim Trail comes about circa 1997.

That was the first time it was used on the Internet. The very first article about Kim Trails was specifically about JP8 jet fuel and how it markedly increased the amount of clouds in the sky. And this is due to the conversion that all NATO countries converted from gasoline to kerosy to kerosy. in what they called one fuel for the battlefield or the single fuel concept. This dramatically increased the amount of metal nanoparticles in the atmosphere. So that's why, in my personal opinion, though there have been longstanding complaints, there is a market increase from 1996 to present in the number of visible trails that hang out everywhere. And you got to split this 50-50. On the one hand, we have a long history of the United States

Air Force, the United States Navy, creating clouds from scratch with something called carbon black dust. On the other hand, we have commercial aviation, which uses, you know, that pollutes the sky, and that is black carbon or soot. Carbon black is manufactured. Soot. Carbon black is manufactured. So is what you get when you go on a Boy Scout camp out and you burn wood. Soot is a cloud condensation nucleot. So is carbon black dust. So there's this semantic problem that we have. And the most common argument is this.

Contrails disappear. Kimtrails. Stick around. The problem is this is an argument based on slave speak. Slave speak is language that maintains. of master slave relationship is the use of high-level descriptors which are highly argumentative have different meanings to different individuals based on their individual perceptions so what I try to do I try to use the lowest common you know

level of language because whereas you and I might you know if I say orange or apple basketball you know what I mean I know what I mean I know what I mean mean, we don't have to have a lengthy discussion about it. But when you say words like good, evil, God, government, vaccine, they have many different meanings to different individuals, and it's based on their own personal perceptions. So chemical trail, con trail, chemical trail. It's a trail of chemicals.

Con trail. They'll say it's just water vapor. It's condensual. It's condensation. The problem with that argument is, and you try this at home, ask that control condensating on what? Because water doesn't just condensate on itself. It has to have a seed. That's how clouds are made.

So whether it's intentional or unintentional, whether it's accidental or it's covert, you still need. you still need some form of chemical. You need three things to make a cloud. You need a seed, you need water vapor, and you need some kind of ionizing radiation or static. So without that seed, there's nothing for it to condensate on. Without the water vapor, there's nothing to freeze. And without that static electricity or what's normally galactic cosmic rays, you don't have the three ingredients to make a cloud. So, The persistence happens in some cases naturally, which has happened since World War II. They've had the Appelman chart.

One of my good friends as a meteorologist was in the U.S. Navy, and he would go out and throw radio signs. And based on the Appelman chart, tell a guy, yo, Maverick, before you fly the F-14 Tomcat back to the aircraft carrier, you might want to avoid this region, which is called an ice super-saturated region. because if you fly through that, you're going to make long-lasting persistent contrails, which are going to lead the enemy right back to our position. This is something that most people don't consider. If you're in the military and you've got a F-117 stealth bomber, do you think they want white lines pointing at it when they're flying over Iraq? They don't.

So in military systems, they actually have contrails suppression systems. them. It's basically any freeze for the exhaust pipe. Alternatively, and this is where everybody wants to get into the rub with this. They're like, every single plane on the planet is geoengineering. Every tick-tac toe I see is geoengineering. And I say, for that to be true, you need to back it up with observational data. You don't need to just say, and Edgar Allen Post said this pretty famously, believe none of what you hear and only half that you see. I live by that mantra. So I understand that my perceptions can skew what I view. That's why, you know, the name of my website is climate viewer. I want to look at things from a macro perspective. And when I look at the macro of this, you have

David Keith funded by Bill Gates, and Bill Gates says, yo, David, how much would it cost to do this geoengineering, solar geoengineering, stratospheric aerosol injection thing you're talking about. And around 2010, he got with Aurora Flight Sciences. They came up with a bunch of estimates, and they estimated between 100 to as few as 14 747 jets. So if it only takes 14 14 planes to geoengineer the entire planet, what are the other 130,000 flights per day doing? That's where I want to, you know, where I'm at, I deal, I'm a, you know, pathological skeptic, if you will.

I know that people watch this show, think that, you know, I know I get accused of being a conspiracy theorist, but the truth is, I'm skeptical on all sides of a conversation until I see enough science to decide otherwise. In this conversation, I'm still searching for a lot of evidence. And you know, you're making a point that I always think, which is, look, you know, I know that we have studied weather modification. I know that it's been used before even as far back as Vietnam.

My question is, are all these lines I'm seeing in the days that I see them, a part of some giant program across our nation and I guess the world where there's little sprayers. Here's the question. It's a little sprayers that I've seen in some of these videos that are releasing, you know, cloud seeding, whatever it is, trying to block the sun, all the different reasoning. To me, that would just be so incredibly expensive. And it looks to me like the same patterns I would imagine that commercial airlines are making. And then I think about the photos I've seen of these, you know,

airplanes with these giant tanks of liquid inside of them. And I think I don't see any room for luggage in there. These are what are called ballast tanks. Ballast tanks, generally speaking, almost exclusively, are for testing flights before they're commissioned for public use. So in those tanks, and you'll see the pipes running along the ground. Yep. There's a lot of water.

And the purpose of this, famous one, Trump. Trump travels through, you know, Kim Trail plane. And that was actually the Boeing 737 Dreamliner before it, you know, became public. In that plane, they had the ballast tanks. And it's to simulate, for lack of a better word, a large person rapidly moving around the cockpit. It's to simulate luggage or heavy, you know, anything in the cargo bay, rapidly moving around to try to throw the plane off balance. So there's a rugged set of tests that have to be done to each plane.

And these are the most common misused images for the Kim Trail community. Again, ballast tanks, pipes in between, all run. You see the passenger seats at the front. The purpose of this is literally to try to throw the plane off balance. and anybody can go look these photos up. And I have never been sent a photo that I've not been able to track down. In fact, some of them even have like patent numbers right on the bottle. And it's like, dude, you didn't even read the number and look it up.

Here's the patent for flight testing. That's not to say that there aren't aerial specifically designed aerial spraying platforms. Youngstown Air Force Base is a good example where the C-130s, have oil dispersant and what's called adulticide sprayers. Everybody always cites evergreen aviation, specialty corporations that are designed to either do firefighting, oil dispersant, or adulticide, deforestation. Adulticide, for those who don't know, is mosquito spraying.

Okay. So, for example, after Katrina, Youngstown Air Force Base had their C-130s out spraying chemicals to kill mosquitoes. Now, is that good for you and me? I don't think so. But at the same time, they believe that they call this disease vector control. So often those images are misappropriated. They're like, look, here's the United States military with their spray tanks. But C-130s aren't going to be doing geoengineering,

which kind of brings us full circle to the semantics of all this. What is geoengineering by definition? Great. Let me just lock it down for someone because we've done a lot of talking here. So what you're saying is you don't believe when I'm seeing these lines in the sky that dissipate, that that's a sprayer releasing something. You're saying that in your research that that's jet fuel. That's what jet fuel does. You know, the exhaust of jet fuel, the soot is what is creating that collects, like particles in the sky that are collecting the water, which then freeze. and then that turns into serious clouds.

You're saying that the reference to these go all the way back. Go ahead. Yeah, I'm saying 98%. I always leave room for everybody's favorite, you know, punching bag, the CIA, because the CIA was involved in Operation Popeye weather warfare or Vietnam. The CIA did Operation Nile Blue to deny rainfall to Cuba to kill Castro sugar crops. The CIA in front of the CFR said geoengineering is a good idea. United States government has deemed climate change a national security concern.

So if you see white unmarked planes spraying, you know, God knows what up there, for the specific purpose of geoengineering, I'm pointing the finger first at the CIA, then at private corporations. I want to make that honestly very clear. However, every single chemical that has ever been attributed to chemtrails that everybody's ever complained about can be found in jet fuel and its additives. I have, I think you have, you sent us this graphic of the periodic table basically showing all these chemicals that are known to be in jet fuel. This is metals detected in jet exhaust. And this leads to a question.

This is the question. I'm really glad you provided this because this is the question. I've been asking, you know, aluminum and bery them and all these things that they say, you know, is what is falling down from the sky. We see it on our plants. We see it, you know, this tests have been done. I've been asking, but I mean, this is jet fuel. It's got a lot of this stuff in it already, right? Right. It's kerosene. So the less refined a hydrocarbon-based fuel is the, the most. more natural metals will be in it. A great example of this is ship tracks.

Now, ship tracks are international shipping, and up until 2020, when the International Maritime Organization banned bunker fuel, they were running on what's called heavy fuel oil. And heavy fuel oil is the bottom of the barrel of the cycle of producing gasoline. as you climb that ladder and you get up to kerosene, which is a paraffin, up to gasoline and even, you know, higher cleanliness. Let's just put it that way. You refine out a lot of these natural made metals.

But for Jet A, which is the predominant jet fuel in America, Jet A1 is the predominant fuel in the rest of the world, every single one of the chemical. that everybody's finding in their rainfall samples has been admitted to by peer review journal studies, single particle mass spectrometry, directly behind an engine on a runway. Soot is covered in graphene. Okay. We'll start there because this is the biggest one of the biggest topics is graphene lately. Soot is laminated in graphene and it has sulfuric acid around it because as, S.O2 becomes H2S.O4, that's sulfuric acid. Inside of the soot particle, the black carbon, is all of the metals that are on that periodic table. Soot is the cloud condensation nuclei that the water condenses on. So whenever you're, when we're talking about the buildup of

atmospheric aerosols from fake cloud, I like to call them artificial clouds or planes, farts because I'm so annoyed I get so annoyed by this Kim trail versus Conrail versus geoengineering versus nanobots, morgillans, all the other crazy stuff that I hear. At the end of the day, they're artificial clouds. That's the takeaway from this. Whether it's a Kim Trail or a Contrail, once it fans out and it covers the sky, it is neither. It is a Cirrus cloud. That's goes back to what geoengineering is. The idea of geoengineering originated the term 1977 by Cessoray Machete. He specifically was talking about CO2 sequestration.

1991 Mount Pentatubo erupts. 1994 Lawrence Livermore National Labs gets involved and they say, what if we were to spray sulfur into the stratosphere to mimic what Mount Penitubo did. That's the origination of the modern solar geoengineering or stratospheric aerosol injection ideology. Which is what we hear when we hear Bill Gates on all of these things. And so, you know, to be clear then, what you're saying is these are chemicals. They are in the sky. They are not good for us. The question, you know, is whether it's being delivered by a sprayer or it's in the jet fuel, I think even more simply put, is it on purpose or is it on accident? Is it just a part of, you know, airline travel in most circumstances?

I think you and I would both agree. There's definitely studies that are being done. I would have to imagine our military or CIA has not given up on the idea of being able to start a hurricane and wipe somebody out or create a drought. I have to imagine all of that type of investigation is still going on because in my mind, anything that would be a great weapon, our government is not going to be the last ones developing it. We're going to be the best at it.

But, you know, does that mean that what we're seeing is a purposeful trail being left to either dumb us down or poison us or block the sun? And what you're saying, these things are, you know, I think we could, could I say this, those chemicals are not good for you. They could potentially be dumbing you down, affecting your brain, affecting your breathing, can be blocking the sun, can be having all of these

sorts of issues. You're not saying that that's not happening. What you're saying is it is an accidental byproduct of modern jet fuel and aviation for the most part. Except. Okay. And I've been waiting for this curveball. Now that we've got to this point. Yeah. In 19, in 2001, we'll start there. Um, When 9-11 happened, they grounded all flights for three days. And a couple guys at Langley Research Center basically studied the fact that, hey, here's a rare opportunity. We don't have planes making clouds all day long. What changes in the atmosphere are going to occur?

And what they found was the diurnal temperature range greatly widened. What that means? If it normally during the day, you have a 70-degree day, and a 50 degree night. Instead, during this cloudless sky, we had a 70 degree day and a 30, you know, 40 degree night. So about a 10 degree difference in the nighttime. So that led them to believe that in fact, the clouds that are being created aren't cooling the planet. They're actually net warming the planet because they're creating a blanket over the sky. So, This was kind of a turning point because there were all these assumptions made up to this point that,

hey, this is good for, you know, stopping global warming, global boiling, you know, the whole CO2 scheme. Yeah, let's block the sun and we do ourselves a favor. Got it. Yep. But in reality, it only works during the daytime, which led me down a new rabbit hole to prove the single word, the, if to sum up your question in a single word, the entire Kim Trail conspiracy boils down to intent. So I wanted to prove intent with commercial aviation. I already know intent with the military. I already know that, you know, the military, Dr. Arnold A. Barnes from U.S. Air Force Phillips Lab. I have FOIAs. I have all of this on the weather modification history timeline on Climate Viewer.com, that they can create and suppress Contrail Seris on demand using carbon

black, and the purpose for doing so they claim is to block spy satellite optics and improve nighttime operations. So the idea that they could block out Chinese spy satellites by creating clouds, or like in the Iraqi, you know, Desert Storm, when the Iraqi Republican Guard just got their butts handed to them and came out with their hands up and everybody was so confused. Well, when you block out the moon at night and we have night vision, it's kind of a one side of fight. Right. So that's why the military say they do it. But back to why the commercial aviation, the 130 to 150,000 flights per day, the 15 million barrels of jet fuel per day just in the United States that are burned. I wanted to find that smoking.

gun, that memo, that intent. And it came to me in 2010 at an ICAO International Civil Aviation Organization, Colloquium on Climate Change, from the world's leading expert on contrail physics, Ulrich Schumann. He's from Germany's DLR, their NASA. At the end of his little thesis, he said, we want less warming, more cooling, contral. predictable for operational planning. That was a smoking gun for me, and that really opened my eyes to what the nefarious agenda behind all this was. I started to see intent, but I needed more evidence to prove intent. The EPA basically Obama administration was trying to regulate greenhouse gases coming out of airplane emissions,

and they're using the Clean Air Act. I'm not going to stand for this. So I called them, I wrote into them, and I said, no, you guys asked if there was going to be any public hearing. I want a public hearing. And they called me back and said, you're the only person who's responded. We, you know, you don't have to come here. You could just write us a letter. And I was like, no, I had the recording of the actual phone call.

It's absolutely hilarious. I said, no, I think I'd rather a public hearing. and after which, you know, basically the International Civil Aviation Organization, the pilots administration, friends of the earth, all of these NGOs had to show up. So I figured I'd bring five of my friends. And I brought four people from the Kim Trail community who don't think exactly like me. Because I, you know, my favorite saying is the day we all agree is the day we could all be wrong. Right.

So I wanted to bring five different perspectives. It was mine plus four other people. And we went up to Washington, D.C. and gave them what for? The state of purpose of this hearing is to consider the full range of pollution generated by aircraft. You, the EPA, claim the authority to regulate aviation emissions under the Clean Air Act, a law that should protect us from the aforementioned poisonous pollution. There is evidence to show that persistent contrails do in fact warm the earth. Contrails do change the climate.

Pollutants from aircraft that need prohibition is causing serious negative health impacts to many forms of life. The EPA and Obama administration are ignoring the global outrage over the most visible climate change concern from airplanes, cloud creation. You must do more than pass the buck back and forth between other three-letter agencies. We are counting on you as the protectors of the environment to act. The Obama administration, while everybody was having the Trump, Hillary Clinton, election, you know, wall-to-wall coverage. Everything always happens while nobody's looking right. The Obama administration signed the Federal Alternative Aviation Fuel Emissions Pact with the European Union, China, and the ICAO. This can be summed up in just a couple words, biofuels for

Contrail Control, which goes back to what Ulrich Schumann was saying. To change the chemical constituents coming out of jet aircraft so that there's less warming, more cooling contrails. So I got in touch with the guy at the FAA who was testing the biofuels. His name is Dr. Renghisai Halthori, that he is the head of the FAA's Aviation Climate Change Research Initiative. And I specifically asked him, and I sent him the documentation. I said, what did Ulrich Schumann mean by less warming, more cooling contrails, predictable for operational planning? He says, and he plays it off, but at the end of the day, he says, we want more contrail-induced Cirrus clouds by day and none by night. Wow.

This is intent. I have this signed in writing directly from the head of the head of the head of the night. the FAA's ACCRI. So now I have these two dots that I've got here pointed together, plus the biofuels thing. Now you look and you see American Airlines pairing up with Google artificial intelligence to route planes around contrail forming spaces in the sky. These are called ice super saturated regions. Basically, Google AI and goes back to.

what Ulrich Schumann had actually created in 2010. He produced something called COSIP, the Contrail Cirrus prediction tool. CoSIP has evolved to be part of what's called the next-gen transportation system in America. That's what makes all the tick-tac-toes in the sky. It is a supercomputer that routes all the flights, and inside that supercomputer is a subsystem called the Aviation Environment Design Tool, AEDT. In the AEDT, it tells planes at what altitude to fly, how much fuel to burn, all of these things, and it takes in environmental concerns into how it routes flights.

So when you compare and when you sum it up, you got Schumann, less warming, more cooling Contrails. Rangasai-Halthori. Clounds by day, none during the night. What did the Biden administration just can't come out with? A report on solar radiation modification. What three areas of study did they say they want to focus on? Stratospheric aerosol injection.

They call it solar radiation modification. Marine cloud brightening. We can get into that if you want. I'm going to skip it. and Cirrus cloud thinning. So what you have here is a grand conspiracy between the scientists who are trying to, as they would put it,

mitigate global warming impacts from aviation. But in reality, what they're doing is they're turning what's been 60 to 80 years worth of pollution into an active geoengineering program. All right. So let me just for people, this is super fascinating.

because I'm sure as you started, we have a bunch of people watching saying, this guy's got to be working for the CIA. He's trying to convince me that there's no such thing as chemtrails and that this is all just a natural byproduct of, you know, jet fuel and that there's not geoengineering going on. But you have come full circle in, you know, in saying, no, here's what could be done and what I think you're lean to. Let me just mirror it back.

What you're saying is the natural function of jet fuel in the right circumstances, in these right pockets of humidity that if it goes through, it will leave this trail, you know, collect the water, turn to ice particles, and turn to these clouds. We know that we can fly in different spaces and go around these and not have trails or not as many trails that would dissipate during the clouds. And so what they realize now, and I know that there's now lost. Some states are looking at eliminating these contrails and there's discussions on whether they cause global warming. But what you're saying is since all these particles do create these clouds, that there are officials that are now looking at running in a computer system that could easily say on a day of flight, we want to block the sun during the day. So we're going to change the height or whatever that we're flying all the planes across that area in to create com trails that are technically, if you want to call them chemtrails, they have chemicals in them, they're making this, but it's a natural byproduct. But where you're flying the planes

decides whether you create them and whether you're blocking the sun. And then at night, they're going to fly on a different set of patterns to avoid putting out these clouds so that they don't hold and trap the heat on the earth. And so all of this technically is a form of geoengineering, but all it's doing is rerouting planes to create it as the natural byproduct of the chemicals that are in their fuel. Did I explain that fairly clearly? You summed it up well. So I'm going to introduce a new term to you. Okay.

This is called Earth radiation management. Earth radiation management is the idea that the heat-trapping effect of high altitude cirrus clouds, noctalucent clouds, necruous clouds, that these clouds, can trap heat at the air surfaces. So we have the troposphere. And then the divider is the tropopause. And above that is the stratosphere. Typically, planes fly right near the tropopause.

Okay. Okay. And what the Indian Space Organization found was that jet fuel emissions, the black carbon from jet fuel emissions, were found at 18 kilometers in the stratosphere. The reason we know this is because black carbon from jet fuel burning is very unique because it's spherical. Carbon black is a centiform. It's actually shaped like grapes.

So they know that this black carbon came from planes. And the Indian Space Organization was specifically looking into this because it was damaging the ozone layer and changing their monsoon season. So, David Keith said he wanted to make what's called photophoretic engineered nanoparticles for geoengineering purposes. Photopheretic meaning self-levitating. So what we have in this case is not only people trying to create clouds by day, none by night, intentionally. We have the unintentional side effect, which has been going on the entire time, that the trope is not at the same altitude everywhere in the world. The closer you get to the North Pole, the lower it is,

which means that if a flight is flying at 40,000 feet over South Carolina, it's under the tropopause. It's in the troposphere. If it's in Canada, it's likely already in the stratosphere. So all of its chemical constituents are being injected into the, the stratosphere. The Indian Space Organization found 10,000 black carbon particles per cubic centimeter. There have been so many metals found in the stratosphere at this point that the propaganda media are now trying to say space junk reentering the atmosphere is the cause of the metals they're finding in the stratosphere, which is complete hogwash. I mean, this is the

spin room, you know, the perception management, because we've been doing some investigations into this. And one of the things that started bothering me about our investigation is if you were really trying to block out, you know, the sun like Bill Gates wants to do, you wouldn't spend fortunes flying planes, you know, down in the troposphere because that fall, everything you're doing is going to fall to earth within about two weeks or so, was what some of our investigations two weeks to two months. Right, two weeks to two months. But if you get it up in the stratosphere, in the stratosphere, it's just going to, you know, hang up there.

And so how long do you say if it's in the stratosphere? So two to four months in the troposphere, the same chemicals, if they were put in the stratosphere, their residence time would be two to four years. Wow. Meaning that if we stopped all flights today, the geoengineering that has occurred as a result of nanoparticles of metal migrating into the stratosphere, it would be a minimum of two years before the sky is cleared. So I want to make this crystal clear to people. Geoengineering is sky whitening. It's the idea of making the sky whiter.

When you look outside and you look straight up and you see a blue sky, and then you look at the horizon, you look at the horizon. and you see a milky white horizon. That is whitening of the sky. So I'm going to take it a step further. Chuck Long from NOAA Earth Systems Research Lab. That article you showed earlier, accidental geoengineering, that comes from Chuck Long because he did radiation budget studies all across America. He called this clear sky daylight brightening.

He said that the sky was getting brighter because of a sub-visual ice haze generated by aircraft emissions in the stratosphere. So this doesn't classify as a cloud. This is the disconnect between everybody referring to just clouds that they see as geoengineering, and the fact that the sky is continually getting wider. It's getting wider because reflective particles have been building up for decades now in the stratosphere. And every single day that we have another 130,000 flights, the concentration gets thicker. That's the biggest problem. You said barrels or gallons, what did you say in America alone per day?

Just in America per day, 15 million barrels of jet fuel per day. Before COVID struck, it was 19 million barrels per day. And these are rough estimates that I've been able to gather. They don't really make this kind of data public. But global economy.com has some direct information from the fuel people. So this is a massive amount of fuel. And people will go, well, but Jim, cars dwarf that, right? We're breathing way more nanoparticles.

if we're sitting in rush hour traffic behind a bunch of catalytic converters, you're breathing way more, they're going to hurt you way more. And I say to them, what makes this situation unique is that they're literally trying to change the radiation budget of the entire planet through intentional control of the clouds that are created and the buildup of aerosols in the stratosphere

under a flawed ideology. Right there, the quotes. We would like to have more contrail-induced clouds during the day, none during the night. Less warming, more cooling. This agenda is very clear. This, in my opinion, proves intent beyond the shadow of a doubt. And you see it through the testing of biofuels, for those who aren't familiar with what biofuels are. There's two main branches, Haifa and Fisher Trope. Troops, they do things like chicken fat grease to jet fuel. Oil seed crops like the Camelina plant or J. Trofa plant,

they even spoke about using J. Trofa plant, blended with nanoparticles of aluminum to increase the thrust of the engine. Landfill waste to jet fuel process. If you look up FT biofuels or federal alternative aviation biofuels, you're going to see some pretty crazy stuff. In fact, the world's first hydrogen, completely hydrogen-based plane did a test flight just a couple months ago. And they're doing all of this because at the end of the day, the airline industry is up against the climate cultists who will have their carbon taxes. And the airline's carbon tax, if you include the heat trapping effect of nighttime serious,

would be tremendous because the Cirrus effect dwarfs the CO2 emissions of airplanes, which I told the EPA in 2015 nobody wanted to listen. They're listening now, and they're trying to turn this into a carbon offset or a carbon credit. So they're basically saying when we're creating chemtrails during the day, we're bouncing the sun back, so we should get some carbon credits for that because that's not heating the earth. And if they can at night, then release those clouds that'll let the heat escape. Now this exhaust that there's spray everywhere, they can say it has a global benefit

because we're actually using it in a way that benefits humanity, which gets into this whole global warming insanity that we have around all this. We could get really deep in the weeds on how intricate this all gets. Why did this become important to you? I mean, you know, I have kids. I mean, I think about the future. Why does sky whitening, which makes sense to me. You have two things.

You have planes that are clearly coming, you know, close to this line of the stratosphere, sometimes dipping into it with exhausts is staying up there. You also said these black particles because of their shape, they're round, that when they get heated, they can lift up so can they get pulled up into the stratosphere, in further in the top of the troposphere? Why does all of this matter when, you know, for us? What does it mean to humanity down here on Earth and what we're doing? Well, for me, you know, the birth of my daughter in 2009 was a kind of a game changer for me.

So I was already, you know, reading a lot of things that made me go, hmm. And suddenly I felt the need to, you know, try to do something better. I was a Boy Scout. I was taught to do a good turn daily. I figured, you know, I should, you know, do something about this because I care about, you know, our planet. I've always cared about our planet. I just never been motivated enough to do something about it. And when I got started and I started with geoengineering, I moved on to weather modification.

We cut it off at 1850 because we wanted to specifically start with the history of weather control and move forward. This is important to me because I want my daughter to be able to experience. nature. And I've now had a second daughter, so 114,17. I want them to grow up in a world where at least the sky has stars in it. And the projections today are that if this pattern continues, if population plus number of flights per day, plus buildup of aerosols, there's a BBC article saying by 2050, telescopes will be worthless. When I read things like that, I go,

I want my daughter to grow up to be able to see the stars. You know, her children should be able to see the stars. I do not want our planet to end up like Venus because a bunch of freaking technocrats want to control global rainfall patterns and have their hand on the thermostat of the planet. So that's the driving fact. behind this. And to all those naysayers out there are saying, but Jim, Kim Trails, I'm going to say

it to you like this. My modus operandi. In 1950 through 1970, the United States Army Chemical Corps of Engineers were spraying zinc cadmium sulfide, radioactive particles all over America. One of the biggest was Operation Large Area Coverage where they literally flew a plane from one coast of the next spraying radioactive material all across America. In downtown St. Louis in poor black neighborhoods, they were spraying schoolhouses with radioactive particles. They followed these people until their death and then got their exhumed their body, you know, got their thyroid to measure how much zinc cadmium sulfide was left in their body. And this was all to simulate nuclear warfare and how nuclear particles.

you know, this was during the fallout days. The reason I bring this up is because those Kim trails of the 1950s through 70s with what was called the Manhattan Rochester Coalition, it was a Manhattan Project spinoff, they didn't admit to it until 2008. So if you want to sit around and wait for the government, the CIA, or whoever to admit that they are currently using these unmarked planes, for geoengineering purposes, I'm 47 years old now.

I don't want to be 89 years old in a hospital bed on CNN, and suddenly they're like, the government today admitted that in the 2020s, they were doing an experiment to cool the earth. I don't want to wait that long. So if you'd like to wait that long, you go right ahead. I'm going to go ahead and operate on that which I can prove in a court of law. And right now we're seeing that up in New Hampshire with the attempt to ban geoengineering.

I've been contacted by part of the legal team up there. I've spoken with Representative Jason Gerhard and tried to help steer them in the right direction so that they can make some headway in a very terminology-driven world. So getting through this legalese and trying to make regular people in. understand this is a tough job. Let's get to the answer then. So, I mean, obviously, I mean, one of the arguments could be, boy, it sounds like you're going to be joining the W.EF globalist to limit air travel and make all of us stay within

15 minutes of our house. I know that that conversation could be sparked by this, but would it be safe to say that one of the things we could do at least is lower the planes so that they're not so close to our stratosphere and releasing permanent particles, but keeping particles that fall to the earth? Is that a part of this conversation at all? Or am I just, you know, going in the wrong direction here? I mean, honestly, that's probably one of the better ideas. The thing I said about 10 years ago was be careful what you wish for. Because while everybody's complaining about the clouds, the alternative could be worse. So they banned bunker fuel in ships.

they switch to biofuels, something called VLSFO, very low sulfur fuel oil. They literally call this stuff Frankenstein fuel now. So though it does not produce as many marine stratocumulus clouds, Kim trails over the Pacific Ocean, the pollution it actually makes now is probably more poisonous, more dangerous. Right. So you may end up in a scenario where public out. cry demands that they stop making clouds altogether. In the antifreeze, they have to stick in, you know, in the exhaust pipe until they come up with a bet Tesla's of the sky is actually worse,

you know, the solution's worse than the problem. Right. I don't know what, what they're going to do to solve this pollution problem. What I do know is that we need data and we need transparency and accountability. So that's the direction that I'm going with this. When they banned weather warfare in 1978, they did not make any way to catch somebody doing weather warfare. When they banned upper atmospheric nuclear explosions with the limited test ban treaty, they created the comprehensive test ban treaty organization in the international monitoring system. It is infrasound recorders and seismographs so that when Kim Jong-un rocket man fires off a nuclear bomb, they can triangulate until within like a five-mile radius when and where he violated

the limited test ban treaty by blowing up a nuke. They never created a process to catch somebody doing rogue geoengineering, meaning illegal geoengineering, and they never created a process to catch somebody doing weather warfare. So my solution is called the Environmental Modification Accountability Act, which would require that an addendum to the United Nations ban on weather warfare include transparency. You must tell us before you modify any weather, anywhere, the world at any time, in real time on a map so the public can see it. And create a sensor network to detect chemicals in the atmosphere, chemicals in the rainfall patterns, chemicals that we can recognize. as intentional weather modification chemicals. Simultaneously creating a citizen-powered network.

Because just like after Fukushima, they turned off the EPA's radnet, the radiation detection network. What good is government sensors if they can just flip them off whenever they're up to no good? So I want a citizen-powered network of rain sample, all-sky cameras.

I call it the climate viewer for your backyard. I intend to do a, you know, fundraising thing to actually build this machine, put it in your backyard, connected to a real-time monitoring website like climate viewer.org, my climate viewer 3D globe, and be able to show in real time what chemicals are falling where and when so that we can trust but verify. But that's not good enough because I don't know about you. I hate the United Nations. I'm like Dave Chappelle on the United Nations. What are you going to do, United Nations?

Sanction me with your army. Oh, wait, you don't have one. I guess you better shut the heck up. Just like with what's going on in New Hampshire, I'm trying to draft, make a draft legislation that explains to people all of the things that we briefly discussed here and come up with a language to where individual states can ban geoengineering and start the process of gathering data on, you know,

what's in the, you think that's air you're breathing, and what's in the rain coming down. Because without that data, proving damages is not possible. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. He came to my hometown. And all I wanted to get out of RFK was, will you ban geoengineering? Because I understand, I don't care what your beliefs on climate change

jar. If you believe CO2, fine. Fly a kite. You know, don't drink, you know, soda with bubbles in it. Fine. I don't care. But hands off Mother Earth, hands off my sky, do not block sunlight. That will change rainfall patterns worldwide. That will kill people. The only thing stopping the legalization of geoengineering as a running program in the public is, as they put it, how to pay the dead people. Now, I don't like the idea that geoengineering governance will rest in the United Nations, where the only thing holding it up is picking winners

and losers and deciding who may never get rainfall again. This is the analog to volcanoes. When volcanic eruptions happen, rainfall patterns change worldwide. They know this. So if you start a geoenoling, geoengineering program, which we've had one going on for decades, we're only two or three very large volcanoes away from throwing that radiation budget off so badly that we have a

modern ice age, aka Snowpiercer, the film. So let me understand that. So you're saying now with the amount of particles we already have in the stratosphere, we're getting so dangerously close that a couple of volcanoes could just do the job. And suddenly now we are. are struggling to get enough sun to the earth to, we're in some sort of solar winter then? Let me be blunt. And I don't like to do fear porn, but this is it. Global cooling is way more dangerous than global warming. Global warming, we can adapt, we can overcome. We are going into a solar minimum. The sun cycle is getting weaker and weaker. If you don't educate yourself.

If you're part of the climate cult, fine. But I suggest you might want to go listen to somebody like Dr. Willie Soon or do some education, CO2 Coalition.org. You know, learn about how the solar cycles have been left out of all these IPCC reports. Learn about how the temperatures come from urban heat islands and not rural locations, how the data is skewed. It's very easy to skew data. So in the case of we're already headed into a solar minimum, they have these climate clocks now ticking all around the globe.

Their countdown timer conveniently ends in 2029, just in time for Agenda 2030, which would coincide with the next solar minimum. So I've just been, if you want me to put my conspiracy hat on, I will. the global elites would like to geoengineer the planet just in time to take advantage of the global cooling that will already occur and declare themselves the savior of man from global warming because they know it's already going to cool. And all of this climate carbon scam, global boiling coming out of the Pope's mouth, all of that is about control. and if you want to be controlled like a robot, if you want to go back to COVID-19 lockdowns, you haven't even heard about climate pandemics and the lockdowns that they want to do over the climate. You're familiar with these, right? I am familiar. We've been talking about these things on the show at friend. I'll be honest.

We have an international body of scientists and investigators that we meet with and we talk about these issues. And a few of them have been saying during COVID, this is the beginning. are going to start trying to do this with the global warming issue. I'll be honest. At first, I was like, no way. And now we are definitely hearing that language. We're hearing out of Davos. We're hearing it out of the WEF.

So I agree with all of that. And so they're playing this game, you know, they're trying to control us. They know that they watch the cycles. They know when this clock ends. They're going to try and claim a victory. But they could, they're putting us dangerously close. to actually really blocking too much sun at a point where it's not as strong and we really need it. And then we have a real problem on our hands.

Is that a sense of what you're saying? That is very correct. So that's the part of this that gets my goat. Even Alan Robach, he's a geoengineer. He went to a meeting on geoengineering. And this is probably the most priceless quote I've ever heard out of a geoengineer's mouth. he went into the room and it was like almost 100 degrees in the room and they're all sitting there talking about controlling the temperature of the planet and he thought to himself we're talking about controlling the temperature of the planet but we can't control the temperature of the room we're in right now I mean the hubris of these individuals the fact that cloud seating was invented in 1946 by benson shaver irving langmire and bernard vonnegut And since 1946, they have not been able to prove to the National Academy of Sciences or any other body that cloud seeding has scientific efficacy, meaning it is repeatable, provable.

You know, you can say in advance what's going to happen. There's too much chaos in the climate. There's too much chaos in weather. It's completely unpredictable. So how could you possibly predict what's going to happen if you loft $10 million? tons of sulfur, aluminum, titanium, diamond dust, or calcium carbonate. David Keith's Kopegg's program at the Harvard Solar Geoengineering program, they specifically moved on to what's called calcium carbonate because they say, oh, it'll take care.

It won't destroy the ozone layer, but it'll cool the planet. The problem is even David Keith admits, well, you know, if we put a million tons of sulfur into the atmosphere like I'm, you know, estimating that we should do, I admit that will kill many tens of thousands of people. But it is our hope that we would save more lives than we would take because global warming. This is a really important moral point. So if I made a decision or if there was a collective decision to do a geo-insuring program and you put, say, the kind of program I think makes more We're supposed about a million tons a year, but let's say, you might end up killing many tens of thousands of people a year as a direct result of that decision. I think that has moral consequences. I don't sweep

another rug. This is a case where I take this much differently from Allen and think it's a much more serious issue. Now, it's true that as part of doing that, you would hope that the overall benefits of human mortality would be so that you would save many, many more people than that. This eerily reminds me of Robert Oppenheimer. And most people have heard the I. become death part of that interview. We knew the world would not be the same. Few people laughed. A few people cried.

Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad Gita, Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty. And to impress him, takes on his own. multi-armed form and says now I am become death the destroyer of worlds I suppose we all thought that

one way or another what they didn't hear was the full interview at the beginning of the interview Oppenheimer says they hoped or other people hoped that it would put an end to this war save countless lives and that on the whole we were inclined to think that if it was needed to put an end to the war and had a chance of so doing, we thought that was the right thing to do. Well, you know, it was our belief as scientists that if we created this weapon, that many more lives would be saved than taken. Right.

I mean, look, we see this. I just, you know, there's so much stupidity in science right now. We're talking, you know, atomized vaccines. highly infectious vaccines, that everybody, basically man-made disease will start sweeping the planet because they know better. Now we're talking about, you know, man-made weather, affecting, you know, the clouds. All of this, you know, really is scary. There's so little science and there's no real respect for chaos theory or the fact that you have no idea how damaging the long, you know, and the long-term effects of what are happening here. So in the end, just to say,

sum this up for those that really are, you know, have been caught up in this chem trail experience and watch this show. And I've promised them we are going to investigate this to the edge of whatever we can find, what we can prove. This idea when someone says to me, I just want to get rid of the lines in the sky, that that could be done by just changing, you know, where the planes are flying. And in some ways, it may stop the clouds that reflect the sun during the day or trap the heat during the night. But in the end, whether you're seeing the cloud or not, the same amount of chemicals that are coming from this exhaust is falling to the earth and you are breathing it. And it is most definitely affecting your health. At the end of the day, this is the point that's lost on almost everybody.

that yes, the build up of nanoparticles in the atmosphere go through chemical process changes as they fall to the earth. What goes up must come down and it will come down eventually. What's been in the stratosphere will be coming down for the next two to four years minimum. We haven't even breached less than a percent of what we could talk about as problems related to this. SpaceX, sounding rockets. all of the other things that are lofting chemicals into the high atmosphere. So it's going to be raining down on us forever, whether you see a cloud or not.

That is a big problem that nobody's willing to talk about. Instead, they want to focus on, you know, more gallons and nanobots and, okay, yeah, nanobots been talked about, might be possible. More gallons, okay, might be possible. Why don't we focus on the big picture that we can prove and try to put a dent in this airline industry, which has been unregulated forever and is poisoning the entire planet? That's where I'm trying to be pragmatic. It makes perfect sense to me. I've done the same thing with vaccines.

The same thing with vaccines. There's nanoboxygen oxide, all these things. I've put these things under microscopes, electron spectrometry. And what I'm saying is it's not that there's not research on nanobots that could be injected to you and control your mind. But so far I haven't seen them. And there's enough problems with this product that is killing people worldwide that I think we can actually get in and stop them and do something about it. I don't need to go that far into my imagination into things I cannot prove to actually make a difference here. That's why I think what you've said today is really fascinating.

the journey you've taken me on, you know, at first I thought, oh, he doesn't believe there's any, you know, geoengineering going on. You're just using a different delivery system that's a fuel-based delivery system versus sprayers that are releasing it. And now we see if it's a natural occurring, they can move them, they can change the fuel. All of these things are taking place. It makes a lot of sense to me. And you're absolutely right. What we need are regulatory agencies in this country and around the world, but certainly we live in the United States of America that stop hiring, you know, the professionals from the industry to run their, you know, to run the oversight on this. They're always going to be the benefit of the airline versus the benefit of the humanity.

Same thing we do with vaccines. I'm really tired of pharmaceutical products being tested by the industries that are going to make, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars from them. I want, you know, I want professional experts that are, you know, blocked from this revolving door to go in a regulatory agency and out to go make, you know, millions of dollars for themselves. Like we saw Scott Gottlieb do and these people do into the FDA out to, you know, Exxon, into CDC, out to Pfizer, all of these things and the same thing with FAA, all of it. It's the same problem. It's the same revolving door from representative to lobbyist or representative to the lobbyist. With the airline industry, you've got to think about it this way. All those boys flying to Davos certainly don't want their private jets taken away.

And if you look at ADSB Exchange on any given day, they're color-coded by altitude. And you know who's flying at 45,000 feet every single time? It's the private jets. almost exclusively in the stratosphere. So private jets, you know, these same guys that are going to preach to you, they're directly flying in the stratosphere no matter where they are in the globe. So they really don't care.

Is the answer just because we, you know, I want to sort of wrap this up, are you saying we have to stop flying as much? Or is there something we could do to actually have less chemicals in the sky and less particles gathering in the stratosphere. This is the heartbreaking part for me because I've read all their internal documents. I've read their outward, you know, propaganda. And they readily admit that, you know, getting, it's kind of like Tesla, you know,

even Elon Musk admits that it's going to be, you know, several decades before we can transition to an all electric grid, you know, to power all electric cars. and the same is true with the airline industry. They're trying to transition, but good luck. You know what I mean? When you've got planes that are literally 30, 40, 50 years old still flying people around today, you can only imagine how much red tape they're going to have to go through to get to a place where we actually have batteries that are light enough that can hold enough energy

and produce enough thrust and people trust it, then have zero emission planes that aren't. making clouds and even then you know you got aerodynamic controls which is another subject i don't see a very good solution for any of them um the the pollutants are going to be there what i do see as a problem is them taking you know taking away sunlight because not only is it affect our ability to see the stars not only is it driving people crazy online it's affecting vitamin d absorption it's affecting the solar energy sector Isn't it ironic that the oil producers that make the jet fuel are making the clouds that are making you less money on your solar panels?

I mean, that's a whole story in and of itself that we won't get into. But right now, these same climate cultists that want to say, we're all about saving the Arctic, they are literally in a race for melting the Arctic to get to the oil and gas. under the Arctic. It's called the New Cold War. So everybody's talking out of both sides of their mouth. All I want to do is get transparency on this. And when I spoke to Dr. Rangasai Al Thore, I said it simply. When I pointed the cloud and I say Kim Trail and you point at the same cloud and you say Contrail, we are both right. And that doctor laughed out loud and he said, I see your point. Why can't the average public understand that semantics is what's destroying the ability to have an honest conversation about what's going on or do anything about it?

And we saw this at the New Hampshire geoengineering ban attempt this month. And when they went back for round two with different, armed with different terminology, it seems like they're getting a good outcome. and there may be actually going to pass a geoengineering ban in New Hampshire. But at the end of the day, without verification, without the ability to collect these chemicals and prove beyond a shadow of the doubt, what's landing in your backyard and what you're breathing, we will never, ever be able to prove damages, take action against these people. So that's where, you know, my solutions are based in gathering more data,

just like you did, Del. you know, go with the facts, go with what you can prove, and worry about the nanobots and the morgellons and all the other crazy things later, because otherwise you may be just, you know, betting on a horse that's never even going to make it on the track. Those are all really great points. I think we're aligned in the approach to making the world a better place, transparency. We got to demand that our regulatory agencies actually do studies and hand us the information, The same thing, you can't keep avoiding doing, for instance, a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study and then tell us that all the autoimmune disease is not caused by the vaccines.

There's no way that you can say that. There is science and studies that could be done that can get us to these answers. And you're right, I can't prove it. It's all anecdotal, but I know how it could prove it. And when you're avoiding doing those studies, I think there's a reason why. And so every state that's going to attempt to pass laws that maybe, you know, put humanity back in the driver's seat, it's been a real education today. I want to thank you for your incredible body of work.

Where do we follow? If we want to follow all that you're doing, what's the best place to check out the stuff that you're doing? You can go to climate viewer.com. Add climate viewer on YouTube, Rumble, Bitch, Shoot, Odyssey, Twitter, Facebook, all the usual places. But yeah, climate viewer.com has links to all my social media and stuff like that. And then climate viewer.org is my separate website where I do mapping and real-time data acquisition from all the government sensors, satellites and all that sort of stuff. At the end of the day, I want people to take away from this. Today we only spoke about Kimtrails in a little bit of geoengineering.

We didn't discuss anything about weather warfare, laser lightning rods, ionoscuro. Heaters, the myriad of other programs going on. People only focus on cloud. So of all the things that I've ever talked about in 20 years now, I've never gotten an argument or pushback on any of them because everything I've said has been peer-reviewed and quoted by scientists. But on this single issue, Kim Trails, it has been the most taxing, painful experience of my life.

because people have such strongly held beliefs. As Carl Sagan famously said, it is simply too painful to admit to yourself that you've been had. And that's where a lot of people are. They don't want to admit that they could have possibly fallen for, you know, being taken for a fool. I was. I was one of you 15 years ago.

And it took me understanding language, perception management and mind control through high-level descriptors to pull myself out of that funk and dig deeply into this topic. As a probably you have, Del, you have to be able to look at stuff minus your ego and understanding the terminology in front of you. So I'm flipping between peer-reviewed journal science to go get a definition and then back. And now, oh, now I understand what graphene laminae means laminated. It's a, you know, coating around the black soot. Okay, let's move on. So there is graphene coming out of the back of planes. It's in the jet fuel. And they're admitting to it in a peer-review journal entry, 75% of man-made metals in these Cirrus clouds. So you can literally

just pile it on the desk of a representative and go, argue with all of these people. Because they're saying it openly. All we're saying is do something about. Well, I'm glad you're out there. I'm glad you're attempting to do something about it. That's what it means in this world, taking action. We've got to take action. So thank you for your time today, Jim. I really appreciate it. And we'll talk to you soon. I appreciate you having me on, Dill. I'm a big fan. And I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about this very little known topic. All right. I hope that this resonates with you. It does. We'll do it again soon. Take care.

Thank you, Del.