The Highwire with Del Bigtree - UNSAFE START: HEAVY METALS FOUND IN BABY FORMULA

Episode Date: July 27, 2024

Founder of Moms Across America, Zen Honeycutt, shares the alarming results of a recent study with Pediatrician, Michelle Perro, MD, testing the leading infant formulas for toxic metals. Hear the shocking results, and learn which brands have the most dangerous levels of heavy metals, several being substantially higher than what the FDA considers safe. Then, they discuss alarming amounts of gluten and glyphosate found in gluten free products.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

As a mom, guys, I, when I was younger, I mean, my kids are a little bit older now, but, you know, the doctors in the hospital come up and they're so, oh, you should try and breastfeed, right? You should try and breastfeed. And they, they have you try once or twice. And they say, if you're having a hard time, there's a lactation consultant that can come in and help you. And they come in and try and help you. But a lot of people, a lot of people aren't good at it. And I, knowing what we're about to find out, if I could go backwards, I would certainly make some different. decisions. We were told for decades that breast milk was, I'm sorry, formula was either the equivalent of or better

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Nutrition, inspired by breast milk. Shouldn't your baby be a cover baby? So joining us now is Zen Honeycutt from moms across America and a pediatrician, Dr. Perro. Thank you guys so much for being here. Can you, let's start here, tell me from your perspectives, what the importance of breastfeeding is for a baby. Sure, I think, Tracy, I can start with that. First of all, thank you for having us. And breastfeeding provides not just nutrition, nutrients, protection against infection, growth factors, probiotics, right?

Breast milk's not sterile. It's also good for mom, preventative against future cancers, bonding relationship between breastfeeding mom. And don't forget, if baby's in trouble, baby talks, back to mom through something called baby backwash, tells mom what baby needs, whether it needs more antibodies, whether it needs more microbes of a different kind, mom gets on board and gives it back to baby, a beautiful relationship. Yeah, it's amazing.

It's amazing. It's a miracle, actually. When did this stop, though? Like, when did the change happen that breastfeeding needed someone to teach you how to mothers how to breastfeed? I mean, was that always the case? Did they always need someone to come in and consult on how to breastfeed? No.

know if you look back of the history of breastfeeding, I won't go too much into it. But wet nurses were available to about 1900 for those moms who can't breastfeed. Not every mom can breastfeed. I gave my baby formula. I did as well. Me too. Okay. Also breastfed though. Also breastfed, but not ideal, right? So then what happened was as formula companies took the lead with better refrigeration, better sanitation, they promoted that formula was actually even healthier than breastfeeding. Certain companies stepped in globally, like Nestle, and then in the 1970s, about by 1971, only 21 to 24% of moms were breastfeeding. But then the tide shifted. And at birth now, about 81 to 83% of moms are now breastfeeding again. We had to deal with

this decade-long backlash against ultra-processed food supplanting breast milk, which is the best food. So what made you, you ran this study, right? You ran this study. What was it that flagged you that there was something you needed to look into? Was it the ultra-processed formula that did it or was there something else? It was Zen Honeycutt who did it because Zen Honeycutt and moms across America did the school lunch study. When I saw the school lunch study and based on your fabulous work, Zen, 100% were positive for heavy or now we say toxic metals. Not all metals are heavy in weight, so they're toxic metals, aluminum being one of them. But anyway, I saw that and that paired with information by a gal name Dr. Dufo, and she was

an FDA whistleblower, wrote a book on Safe in Any Meal, disclosed that there was mercury and high fructose corn syrup. The number one ingredient in most infant formulas, more than 50 percent, is indeed high fructose corn syrup, followed by vegetable oils. Corn syrup solids. Corn syrup solids. we're feeding our babies. Can you just break down just in case people aren't aware? What is a corn syrup solid? Well, first of all, the corn is GMO. In the majority, 85 to 95% of the corn in the

United States is GMO now. And that's genetically modified. Some of it could be BT toxin, which means the pesticide is built right in, or it could be herbicide tolerant, meaning it's sprayed with roundup and the weeds all die, but the crop continues to live. So it will have roundup residues on it. And that's just not something we're interested in feeding our babies from the get-go. And as Dr. Joyne Defoe mentioned, it could be, there could be mercury used to extract, also hexane, right? Many different chemicals used to extract the corn syrup from the corn. That's what she found. It's, yeah, it's a very toxic process. So we're extremely concerned about the use of corn syrup solids, GMO corn syrup solids and many other, many other GMO soy, GMO soy, GMO,

and baby formula. And as Dr. Perro mentioned, when we did the fast food testing and the school lunch testing, both were 100% positive for heavy metals. And we tested over 40 samples of all of them, as well as the baby formula. And scientifically, that is a very significant number. And for instance, when we tested the feeding tube liquid, we tested 20 samples of pediatric or feeding tube liquid, only six were positive for glyphosate. So to have 100% percent, positive for anything is really extremely concerning. And some of the levels of the heavy metals, especially what we found, can we talk about the results?

Yeah, let's do that. So I would love for you to tell us how you went about this, because I think it's really fascinating and, you know, what kinds of formulas you tested, how your methods, and what you found out would be fantastic. Well, we first of all selected the most popular baby formulas, but the prerequisite was that they had corn syrup solids in it, because we were looking for potentially high levels of mercury,

is what we were suspecting. So then we also selected two samples of each brand from different locations across the country. So we had them ordered from different locations like Target, Walmart, Amazon, those types of places, and had them shipped directly to the lab, nothing was opened, and the lab tested powder formulas. Do you want to mention why it was powder formulas?

Well, we were really making sure that our scientific technique was almost as flawless as we can make it to avoid scrutiny, but also to give the best signs possible, because science itself, as we learned during COVID, maybe a little iffy. So we, as Zen said, looked everywhere, used powder so that water wouldn't be a negative factor because we didn't know the types of water that the companies were using. Were they using distilled? Were they using tap water?

We didn't know, and we couldn't control that. So we wanted as many controlled factors as we possibly could, so we didn't introduce bias into our research. And we tested mostly conventional. We did test some organic, some from other countries, I believe Australia and Holland, and we tested the ones that were basically the most popular. So the results were really disturbing.

Yeah. And 100% positive for heavy metals. We were so sad to see that. We really wanted to find brands that we could celebrate and recommend. But this was very concerning. The 100% had lead and aluminum in the, samples and 80% had levels of lead that were higher than what the FDA allows and recommends

for what's allowed in drinking water. And 57% had levels of arsenic in them, 55% had mercury, and 35% had cadmium. And these are neurotoxic and carcinogenic chemicals, I mean, heavy metals and toxic metals. And you know, like Jeffrey was talking about the study, not having long-term safety data. In this case, they haven't even run studies to see what would happen if someone was exposed to all of those. Tracy, you nailed one of the most important points.

What we know is that these toxic metals are synergistic. So if you just had one in there, like the aluminum, which was a thousand times higher than all the other... 41,000 parts per billion. In our worst. Astronomical levels. Which is awful. But there are synergistic effects.

and I would be remiss if I didn't mention our dear friend and colleague, Dr. Stephanie Seneff, wrote a paper about this and is involved with this study, as we are the new MDs, mom's docs and scientist, and in a paper that she wrote and she showed that she showed that when heavy metals were combined, like lead, like chamium and mercury, the toxicity was exponentially higher. I couldn't find one paper that looked at all five of these toxic metals. They are all neurologically damaging, all five of them. when you at least six of our formulas were positive for five. There was one neurologic-based formula that was positive for four.

And goat milk, goat milk formula. Oh, the goat milk one is the one that had 41,000 parts per billion of aluminum. And we don't know what is going on there. We suspect there's a couple different things. We suspect that there could be aluminum in the machinery that grinds it up. However, that same company also had an organic brand, and that one only had 13 parts per billion of aluminum. So then that leads more towards the ingredients.

And the ingredients must be coming from animals that have either eaten aluminum, could be sprayed. You know, geoengineering, aluminum is used in that, could be coming down on the ground and being sprayed there. There could be aluminum in the vaccines that the animals are receiving. We just, we simply don't know. And more testing needs to be done. If I were the head of the FDA, there would be all kinds of testing being done right now on baby formula to find out why there are such astronomical levels of aluminum and baby formula. You know, that's my next question for you guys. Either one of you can answer or both.

Does the FDA regulate baby formula or just, yeah, please tell us. Well, Tracy, we took a deep dive and looking at that because it's like, well, what is the role of the FDA's protection of our babies? And indeed, they do regulate baby formula. They're looking at macronutrients, proteins, fats, carbohydrates. They're looking at making sure they're clean. We had those two outbreaks of chronobacter infections and literally formula stopping in 2020. as recently May, I think it was April of May of 2024, there was a formula shortage in 2022. So they are regulating, but the companies themselves are not looking at toxicants,

these heavy metals, but now the FDA does something called the total diet study. They've been doing this since 1962 looking for mostly radioactive substances. So they published their last report in 2022 looking at 910 foods. They included four infant formulas in that total diet study. And we talked about it with the FDA four. Two of the four were positive for heavy metals and uranium. Uranium. Uranium, indeed. And so we said, so what kind of action items happened from that? Well, not much. So Zen and others organized a little trip to D.C. And we talked to the FDA about what we found just two months ago, and they did act. They did go to Congress saying, hey, you know, we need to act on this because there is no safe level of heavy metal or toxic

metals in infant formula, zero for lead. I mean, that is what the EPA says, the CDC says, the FDA says, there is no safe level so that these formulas are so contaminated should have every parent, every mom, every mama bear up in arms. Well, so now we are, right? I am. I am. My kids are older, but, you know, there's a lot of women out there that have young kids what are they even supposed to do knowing this like how do you if you're not breastfeeding or let's say you're seven or eight months in and you can't breastfeed anymore right because you gave that you didn't keep it going what are you supposed to do now like how do you tackle this well there's a couple things they can do some of the formulas did test better we can get into that yeah but there are things

to improve heavy metal clearance from babies and some of the things that these moms can do and dads dads are in the loop one is ensure adequate uh metal nutrients like zinc like right zinc is very important like iron like vitamin D probiotics there there are beneficial microbes that can offset heavy heavy metals certain strains of lactobacillides collectivacillus remnosis and that formula companies or parents can add these probiotics in themselves and they can break down heavy metals it's amazing that parents need PhD in like heavy metal toxicology to feed their baby it's startling to me that I'm even having this conversation like

it it just doesn't seem real like we really need to to discuss poise tech harming our babies by feeding them formula and and these companies never thought to to look for this stuff or didn't know or summer looking there was baby food testing done by healthy babies bright future and consumers reports a couple years ago and it was revealed that the companies tested they knew the heavy metals were in baby food and they sold them anyway so they have these are 85 dollar tests Tracy these are not expensive this is called quality control this needs to be put in place. And it is ridiculous. You asked about the FDA regulating baby formula. They're not regulating heavy metals in any food except for applesauce, which is lead. They're giving

guidelines for baby food now. It's not even a regulation yet. There's a baby food safety act, which we can talk about later, but there's no regulation in place yet. And candy, because they found lead in candy. The FDA is not regulating our food for heavy metals. One would wonder, what are they doing? This is ridiculous. How they choose to enforce their regulation or regulate at all. Like some things like important like this, they completely ignore and other things like bodily autonomy, they have, you know, a lot to say about. Or homeopathic medicine, right? Let's regulate the heck out of that. Did we touch a nerve with this industry? This is at least a $1.4 billion industry. It's probably

even higher than that run by four major formula producers. So did we touch a lobbying nerve? I don't know. But the fact that there are these heavy metals that are toxic for babies in an ultra-processed Remember, infant formula is doing its best to mimic breast milk, but it's an ultra-processed food. And the last time I checked, I counted almost over 20 different toxic ingredients in Infant Formula. And organic tested better, but still not as great. Just because it doesn't have pesticides doesn't mean it doesn't have heavy metals, which is interesting, because heavy metals are in pesticides. The leading insecticide is aluminum phosphide in insecticide.

So there was aluminum in the pesticides, they're in the fertilizers. So we know it's a non-organic formula, but we, so organic formula is still a best bet, but they had toxic metals. That was so disappointing. And you guys are doing a lot of other stuff before we get into that stuff. I just, where can people find this? If they want to go and read this for themselves, what website can they go to? GMOScience.org and Moms Across America.org, and we do have recommendations there.

And, you know, one other thing I want to say about feeding your child baby formula. is that I think a lot of us are just ingrained with the idea with fear. I mean, because we love our babies and we want them to be, you know, chubby and happy. And we kind of doubt ourselves. We question whether or not we're doing good jobs as mothers. And we think, I need to make more milk to feed my baby. My baby's crying because he's hungry. You know, sometimes it's not the case.

Sometimes it's gas. Sometimes it's, you know, diaper needs to be changed. But we just automatically go towards maybe my body isn't making enough milk and I need to feed my baby formula. When the fact is that a baby's stomach, when the baby's born, the stomach is only the size of a cherry. And when it's a month old, only the size of an egg. And so oftentimes our body is making the exact amount of milk that our baby needs, and we actually don't need formula. So I'm going to say something shocking. Maybe we just don't even need to buy formula.

Well, yeah, yeah, I agree. You know, that was a myth that I didn't even know that until you guys just told me. Like nobody said that. No doctor or, you know, lactation consultant came in and said, don't worry, your baby's stomach is this big. If you're only getting or you're only producing a little bit, it's okay. Like I was thinking I'm starving my child, like that, not knowing any better. So thank goodness for you guys, because now maybe we can stave this off a little bit. But you developed a way to rate this for people, or at least give them a little bit of peace of mind.

How did that work out? Oh, gosh. Lots of sleepless nights. I agonized over those results. It was so painful. I went over them so many times. It took me a week. They're like, Michelle, what's up?

Like, get out there. Like, what's your recommendation? I didn't like any of them. I'm going to be honest. I didn't want to recommend, but some look better than others, and we try to pick formulas that are easily accessible. So, can I say the name's on the air? Can we say?

I think so. Okay. Well, it's on our websites. So Kirkland formula, Costco, it's like the number one purchase of organic food in the U.S. I believe their formula look pretty darn good. They're pro care non-GMO. And so my request to Costco, if you're listening, is to go organic. There was another one that looked pretty good and that Similak. Can I mention, can I mention first about Costco? We're happy about Costco because

Casso took Roundup off their shelves when we petitioned them to remove Roundup. That was surprising to me too. Really happy about that and we're happy that they are the number one seller of organic food in the country. By the way, when you eat organic, you're avoiding glyphosate. Glyphist Kylates those heavy metals and minerals. The minerals that you just mentioned that people need to have in order to balance out the heavy metal load. So glyphosate will keylate those metals. Glyphosate will also increase the harmful impact of other toxic chemicals. When you think chelate, what do you mean just in case someone out there? Grab onto and make unavailable. So like sort of like a pipe cleaner. That's how it was first identified. Keylate means claw in Greek. So literally glyphosate and aluminum are synergistic. So you have a thousand times higher numbers of aluminum than the other metals.

Not all metals are equally toxic, but aluminum in that amount, it's toxic. So glyphosate aluminum, synergistic, shown by our colleague, Dr. Seneff. It crosses the blood-brain barrier in six different ways. You have to appreciate that babies are born with a leaky gut and a leaky brain. So these metals cross over. What makes the babies no longer have leaky gut is colostrum. Colostrum is the first thing in the breast milk. It's really good, full of nutrients, full of growth factors, full of antibodies.

As a matter of fact, as we as integrative practitioners, when we treat people with gut disorders, we give them bovine colostrum. Imagine if we put colostrum in infant formulas, organic colostrum, that would be a fix. We could also use A2 milk, by the way. So here are some ways that what we can do to improve the quality of form. I know I kind of went off target there a little bit, but I thought. I needed to know what that meant. No, no, no, but glyphosate. Back to aluminum.

Yes. And it binds all the minerals. So the babies are receiving less minerals if there's glyph-and-we, and we know glyphosates in the formulas, because they're not organic. We didn't test on this study because we've just focused on the toxic metals. But glyphosate binds up not just the toxic metals, it binds up zinc, copper, calcium, all those beneficial minerals. No zinc, no brain function.

Yeah. So eating organic, and then the brands, the three top brands that you mentioned, that were the top scoring. So it was Kirkland Procare. It was Simulax sensitive. And also of the elemental formulas, which are for babies who are sensitive, this one called pure amino. Earth's best also look pretty good, but I didn't put it up super high because they use hexane, which is a solvent to extract something called DHA. Why can't we? Why is this happening? Tracy, welcome to our world. But why we were agonizing over this is and to figure out, is this the best we can do? The companies can fix this. using advanced filtration techniques, reverse osmosis, carbon filtration, before they process the formulas. We wrote it up. It's on my website. It's in the articles. We wrote how they fix it. So they can fix it.

And keep in mind, we only tested 20 brands out of maybe 50 that are out there. So this is not an all-inclusive, you know, survey of what's going on. We need a couple million dollars a year just to actually do a portion of what the FDA should be doing. But we would like to test more, and we would like to have it to be a more comprehensive study. Last question before we move on to the other amazing work that you guys are doing. How, if I'm a mom and I see this, now I'm looking around, it's not like I can pick up my box, my little box of formula, look at the back end, see, Mercury, aluminum. You know, I'm going out now. Like, I can't buy this test myself. It almost seems like, you know, what can they do? Is there a way to make your own formula somehow? Well, you know, according to the FDA, we're not supposed to.

making our own formula. Women have done it for years. However, there are websites that folks can go to like nourishing traditions and Western A Price Foundation has some great formulas on how to make your own for that special mom. You have to be really careful making your own formula, but people can access that information. Awesome. So, and get help breastfeeding. Lalachia League is very supportive. Even if you're having a really difficult time, I had the most difficult time the first time you can get coaching and support and eventually you get through it maybe the first month or so might be really difficult but I would just really encourage people to get support and to breastfeed even Coco the gorilla when she

first breastfed she needed to watch a video on how to do it it's not yeah it's not so intuitive that that's it you'd think but either get eat organic while you're breastfeeding yeah what you put in your body your baby is getting you know that's that's another thing that moms need to be cognizant of okay thank you for that that's wildly beneficial information for everyone but There's some other things going on. Why don't you tell us what else you're working on in terms of testing and information?

Yes, well, first of all, also, I also want to mention this is, we're very glad that you're reporting on this because your previous episode, what you talked about, you know, really links to, it touches upon mental health issues in America and heavy metals and pesticides and toxins. Glyphosate has been shown to be a neural toxin.

And so what we're talking about, we all care about the future of America. We are all on pins and needles, right now with what's going on in the world. And I have to say one of the biggest contributing factors of mental health in America is the toxicants in the food supply. So that's why moms across America for the past 12 years

has been focusing on the food supply and testing. And we recently decided to also test gluten-free food. You know, I mentioned we've tested school lunches and fast food, cereal, baby formula. We've got more testing down the pike. But we recently tested gluten-free food because so many people have so many problems with their gut right now.

And they're telling us, you know, Zan, we've been eating organic food and gluten-free food for 10 years now, but I still have anxiety, I still have leaky gut, I still have, you know, depression or mental illness or, you know, something going on in my family. Why is this happening? And what we suspected was that because glyphosate is sprayed as a drying agent on crops,

they may call it a pre-harvest weed killer, but that's a euphemism for a drying agent. What it does is it dries the whole crop out, like wheat or peas or beans or legumes or oats, and then they can harvest that crop much more quickly. So though a lot of the ingredients that are sprayed with glyphosate as a drying agent are in gluten-free food, such as lentils, oats, corn, soy, right, peas, beans.

And so we tested 46 samples of gluten-free food, and unfortunately we found that 44 out of 46 of them were positive for glyphosate. And the problem with this is, and our friend Nancy Swanson and Stephanie Seneff have a chart. It's also on our website to show show that the rise of ciliac, which is people who cannot eat any wheat at all, is so closely correlate with the spraying of glyphosate on crops, that there's a very strong suggestion

there that glyphosate could be contributing to the very problem, you know, ciliac and gluten intolerance that then drives people to eat gluten-free food, but yet the gluten-free food, 44 out of the samples we tested, had glyphosate on them. This is really tricky for people who are gluten-in-tolerant and a health. and have celiac. You think you're gonna be helping yourself, right? Any kind of autoimmune disease, you know, microbiome deficiency or something.

You're trying to make your body well. You're trying to make your immune system well. So you're going out and buying the things that you think will do that and you're not getting anywhere, but it's telling you, well, it must not be a gluten allergy that I have then. It must be something else. Or I guess I'm just stuck this way,

constantly inflamed or feeling terrible. But in reality, it's the actual things you're eating. It's what you're putting in your body. So what do you do with this information now? Well, we do want to say that we encourage people to eat organic and gluten-free. The two samples that did not have gluten in them, which were Edward and Sons, rice crackers and lesser-evil popcorn, were organic and they were not detectable for glyphosate, so we're really appreciative about that.

And there was a little bit of contamination in a few of the other, I think there were three other organic products that were organic and gluten-free. But for the most part, as Michelle mentioned, organic is the best option for. for gluten-free foods. We also found that, and by the way, glyphosate was the highest of the 237 pesticides that we tested for. Glyphosate was the highest, most prevalent. 2-4D was the next most present,

and that is what is in Agent Orange. And I'm sure Michelle and I could talk about that. How does this happen? They're spraying it on the crops, Tracy. Agent Orange? Agent, oh yes, it's a form of. Because of weed resistance to glyphosate. So 75% of the weeds in the US

are now resistant to glyphosate. I wonder why. So they up their game, this is the intelligence of Big Ag, up their game, spraying 24D, which doesn't stay on the crops, it drifts, killing all the crops around it, and as then said, part of Agent Orange, which literally decimated our soldiers, our vets, a shout out to vets who are so sick right now, not to mention children in Vietnam. Hundreds of thousands of children, it's like an untold problem of really sick kids in Vietnam from Agent Orange.

So, you know, we have to remember that we did, in the baby formula, we have found, then found it, found glyphosate. So glyphosate, we said, binds the minerals. It's also an antibiotic. So it wipes out the microbiome, those beneficial microbes. So you're eating an antibiotic with every bite. Yeah, yeah, and an endocrine disruptor and a carcinogen, and it causes nervous system damage. It causes neurological damage. It's been shown to kill sperm, and it androgenizes baby girls.

been shown to lengthen the distance between the anus and the genitals, which causes androgenization in baby girls. So glyphosate, this is the most widely used herbicide in the world, 280 million pounds a year in the United States. And the highest level that we found of glyphosate was in Bonza pasta. We found over 2,800 parts per billion on this chickpea pasta, which tatted itself as a low glyphosate pasta because they were testing and monitoring for glyphosate. That's what they told one of our supporters before we even did the testing. And we tagged it a low glyphosate pasta, and then it came back to be the highest level. Now, keep in mind that 2,800 parts per billion is the highest number ever recorded by the lab that we used in human foods.

It is, however, lower than what the FDA allows. The FDA allows 5,000 parts per billion of glyphosate or the EPA set that level in food. So they will claim that this is a safe level. They also did say that the glyphosate is water soluble, so it will, they didn't say it will cook off, but it would have to be measured, you know, in a cooked way. So they didn't offer us any evidence of that, and so we actually went and tested the same exact box ourselves. And we just got the results back today. We haven't published them that, and maybe it'll be up on our website right now. But we did test, and we were very surprised because we have been told that glyphosate does not wash, dry, or cook off.

It goes into the cells of the plant. It goes into the crops and it does not wash dryer cook off. But what we found was that it does partially cook off. The levels went from over 2,000 parts per billion down to 161 parts per billion. So we're very relieved to see that there is some cooking off. We were like, great, it does cook off a little bit. However, 161 parts per billion is still way above the 0.1 parts per billion that scientists like Michael Antenu, that we both know, showed causes and contribute to liver disease and liver damage. And so anybody who says that a product with any level of glyphosate

in it is safe is actually not looking at independent science. They're not, they are being misleading. So we're very concerned about these levels of glyphosate in the food supply and we're very concerned about the brainwashing that's going on, especially on social media, saying, oh, you could eat 20 pounds of this pasta and still have it be safe. That is, that is, that That is very concerning because the levels that the FDA are using are given to them by the industry, by companies like Monsanto, Dowd-Dupont-Bair. They're telling them this is what the level should be because this is what we're finding out in the field. They're not based on health and safety.

It's the same way that they adjust lab values when you're doing blood work. They say, what's the general public experiencing? Okay, let's just shift this around to make it an average. And that doesn't mean you're healthy or not healthy. It means that you're in the average of Americans. And I would argue, given what we're talking about today, the majority of Americans aren't really actually healthy. No, if you look at this liver issue, just to talk about that for a second, one in three Americans now has something called non-alcoholic fatty liver or maffled. So this liver thing, and it's silent, it's quiet, which can progress to inflame liver to eventually cirrhosis.

So people are walking around eating this stuff every day. It's a 97% of American school lunches that Zen tested in moms across America was 95.3. So it's in their food. Our kids are eating it and it's causing our kids are also having liver disease and particularly in obese children. So this is a liver disaster among other things. Your liver is your major organ of detoxification. So love your liver. Yeah.

Yeah. And we also found gluten, very high levels of gluten in Trader Joe's almost everything. bagel. This is a gluten-free bagel and it had over 200 parts per million of gluten in it. And according to the FDA, a gluten-free product is not supposed to have more than 20 parts per million. So we are very concerned about people who might be eating these Trader Joe's almost everything bagels. We're concerned about the other products that might be, you know, from the same sort of dough that Trader Joe's is providing. And I love Trader Joe's. So I was really upset about this information. Also, Simple Mills had two products that had above 20 parts per million of gluten

and made good, it was a cookie that had over 20 parts per million of gluten. So these products legally should be removed from the shelves, and we have not heard back from the FDA about what's going to be happening about that. But if anybody has a loved one with CILAC, it's especially important that they learn that actually over 10 parts per million. And there were a few other products that tested over 10 parts per million of gluten. They, you know, I would advise that, I mean, I'm not a doctor, I can't advise, but anybody with celiacs might want to read our article and see the test results. Yeah, so let's talk about that now. Where can people go if they want to find information about what you're doing, support the work that you're doing out there? I mean,

I know I wish I would have found you back when my kids were younger and would have known some of this stuff. And thank you for your passion, both of you, and trying to help us be more healthy to give us this information what's the best place to find you guys yeah so for parents I would rather they they head to their kitchens and cook unprocessed food for the kids before they read my material yes but when time permits once they finish cooking their whole foods meal that's organic regenerative then if they go to my website my co-founded it i'm now ceo gmoscience org and i have a book coming out second book making our children well with practical tips for parents because all i'm focused on now is how to teach parents how to do what i do before i become

compost. That's my goal. But her first book is called What's Making Our Children Sick, and it is a must read. So that is really definitely check that book out. And I also want to mention Stephanie Senev's book, who's our partner in the new MDs. Her book is called Toxic Legacy. So good. And you can also read my story and a little bit about the food supply on my book is called Unstoppable. That's available on Amazon. And you can go to Moms Across America.org. We have a Monday night moms connect call that we invite people to join us. It's not a show. It's a discussion. And we have the new MDs every month.

Our next one is going to be discussing censorship and propaganda and how that affects health. With Aaron Siri. With our favorite lawyer, Aaron Siri. Oh, we love Aaron Siri, especially here. He's wonderful, brilliant. So brilliant. That's awesome. That's going to be a good show.

Lucky us, right? Yes. Yeah, definitely check that out. There's a ton of information available for folks. I've done some perusing. I've done a little perusing myself. You are. You're a good CSI.

Thank you. And we have all the science that we just mentioned, scientific studies on moms across america.org underneath data. We want to mention we love the science, we are not anti-science, and we invite anybody who questions our science to please raise the money and do the testing ourselves. Thank you both so much. Thank you so much. Everybody make sure you go and check out all this information.

Send it to people you know, make sure they get it in front of them, make sure that they use it.