The Highwire with Del Bigtree - WEATHER CONTROL: WHAT’S REAL?

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

Geoengineering researcher Jim Lee joins guest host Jefferey Jaxen to unpack the real-world science behind weather modification. From cloud seeding to large-scale atmospheric interventions, Lee makes it clear: this is no longer science fiction. He also discusses his recent interview with controversial cloud seeding tech CEO Augustus Doricko, who addresses claims tying his company to the catastrophic Texas floods.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

I want to talk about causation. What happened? How do we not see this coming? And some of the questions I saw looking across the news, we have Associated Press. And when I started seeing headlines like this, my spidey sense went up. Fact focus, no weather modification did not cause the deadly flash floods in Texas. Okay. Well, here's another one.

This part, start talking about conspiracy theories. Uh-oh, there's that word again. He seated clouds over Texas, then came the conspiracy. theories. Of course, what they're talking about was Rainmaker CEO Augustus Dorincco. He's been making the rounds in the news over the last couple weeks because his organization was, as Steve said, and as Doc Chambers said, he was cloud seeding in the run-up up to this flood in Texas. And I wanted to bring in someone that's been on our show before, Jim Lee. He is an expert in not only the history of geo engineering, but currently what's happening right now.

And he actually had a chance. He was one of the first people to sit down. with Augustus in an interview recently to ask them kind of the hard questions. Take a look. Augustus, you know, he owns a company, you know, how, you started up last year, right? 2023. 2023, that's right. And that is available at rainmaker.com. So what Augustus did was he responded to this accusation here. You want to explain what you got here? Yeah, yeah, sure.

Sure. So first and foremost, right, like I think it's worth saying what our company is, what we do. Rainmaker is a next-gen cloud seeding company. Our interest is in where there are droughts, where times are too dry and farms are going dry or reservoirs are running out, helping to produce water for those constituencies, farms, ecosystems, utilities, that sort of thing. I think that a lot of people, rightfully so, hear about that and think off the jump. Well, did you cause flooding? Can you cause flooding? Did Rainmaker cause flooding in Texas? And first of all, categorically and absolutely no. The National Weather Service on the third at about one in the morning posted a severe flood risk, right? Then the subsequent day, at about four in the morning, they announced that there was a high probability of life-threatening flooding. That was from the convergence of two different extremely moist systems, one coming up from the Gulf, one coming up from the Pacific. And Rainmaker did not operate on the third, on the fourth.

We operated for about 20 minutes, days in advance, and seeded a cloud that dissipated after two hours, and then suspended all operations indefinitely because there was risk of flooding. And so after our 20-minute operation, which was flown at about 2,500 feet, where we only dispersed about 60 grams of silver iodide aerosol, we stopped operating. And those aerosols could not have persisted for the days that came afterwards. All right. So I want to bring on Jim Lee right now. He's standing by. And I just have some questions about this because we're trying to unpack this conversation. Jim, thanks for joining me right now. Obviously, we just brought on. some of the disaster relief individuals, gentlemen, and teams down there. This is still an ongoing tragic situation in Texas as the recovery continues. But a lot of people are looking for answers.

A lot of people are wondering what the heck went on? Was man's hand involved in this? And you had an opportunity to interview. Augustus just, we just showed the clip of that. What did you take away? I mean, Augustus is saying they dispersed 60 milligrams of silver aerosols into these low-level clouds. they dispersed and that's the science and you know nothing happened and there we go. What's your view of this?

So first of all, I think that, you know, people's perception of cloud seeding as controlling the weather is obviously flawed. Cloud seeding at best is gambling with the weather. In the 80 years since cloud seeding was invented, nobody's ever been able to prove the scientific efficacy of it. So considering the fact that weather is a chaotic system, this is not control theory, it's chaos theory. Whenever you put any chemical into the environment, you have no idea what the downwind effects of that are going to be. To clarify, he said 60 grams. So we're talking about two ounces worth of silver iodide. Now, he, you know, his claims were, well, we were operating at about 3,000 feet. We only flew for about

two hours, you know, 20 minutes worth of seating, and this happened on, you know, July 2nd. My team at, you know, my telegram chat, we have a meteorologist, we have a forensic team. We went through Trust Bud Verify. We went and we found his flight.

We tracked his flight. We tracked the, you know, the radar, precipitation totals, satellite views. It does, you know, his story does check out. So I'm not, I'm not here to shell on his behalf. Sure.

But, you know, fact check, you know, trust but verify. So he did seed to cumulus clouds at about 3,000 feet. That's convective or hygroscopic seating, basically using lift to lift the chemicals upwards into the cumulus clouds to make rainfall. Those clouds did dissipate in about two hours. So it's highly unlikely that, you know, he honestly, he made about a quarter inch worth of ring. So I think that's the part that he's leaving.

out is, hey, I did do cloud seeding, but I didn't really make any rain at all. In fact, I made two clouds disappear. So a lot of people get stuck on this. I feel like he's being scapegoated. And at the same time, a lot of, you know, the ex community I follow, you know, pretty well. A lot of the theories on this are, well, he's a Peter Thiel guy. He's funded by Peter Thiel. So, you know, bad guy. And at the same time, he first came on the scene at the 10 Tennessee Kim Trail ban, you know, Representative Monty Fritz, and then he testified in Florida at their Kim Trail ban. They don't want to call it a Kim Trail ban. That's what it was. We all know that. So banning weather modification geoengineering in Tennessee and Florida, this is where he first came

on the scene. So for me personally, has a person who's been studying this for 15 years, seeing this guy come out of nowhere, and then next, he's on the Sean Ryan show, and, you know, he's at the center of attention. P.T. Barnum said there's no such thing as bad press. So I think that this is, you know, a diversion, a straw man. He's being scapegoated. He is under a lot of death threats. His, you know, he's been docks. People have threatened to docks his family. I think that that's unfortunate. That's why, you know, I reached out to him Saturday night. This was, you know, right after the events, it occurred. And I got the first interview with him because I texted him. I said, dude, you're version of events are, trust me, bro. Yeah. And that's where we're at. And so, and I thank you for

reaching out to him. That was a really important interview. It's about over an hour that you spoke with him. So as you're saying, I think the bigger story here, the science is not settled is what I'm hearing of CloudSeed, even though it's been going on for over 80 years, as you said. So talk to me about that science, because we think, you know, this is something that the government's doing or whatever. the geoengineering is a whole different conversation, but this cloud seeding, it's happening. Is there any way to track this? Is the government keeping track of this? So the laws behind this are pretty antiquated. You know, following the Operation Poppao Weather Warfare in Vietnam, we, you know, basically had a bunch of old bald white guys in

Congress, you know, looking at each other like, we can control the weather. And that, prompted the weather modification reporting act of 1972. It simply requires that anybody who wants to modify the weather or even geoengineering, it's an all-encompassing bill, it's archaic at best, but you have to fill out a NOAA Form 17-4, which is an initial report on weather modification. And when you complete your activities in any given area, you have to file one more sheet of paper. this is not a permit, this is not a request, there is no validation, it's simply record keeping. That's unacceptable in today's world, and it basically takes them off the hook for any kind of accountability or liability. Interestingly enough, that weather modification reporting act was

amended in the, I believe it was the 1980s. And there was a real, time reporting requirement. So every single time you flew a plane and you dumped chemicals to try to modify weather, you had to file an individual report for each one. They removed that. In today's world where the Border Patrol has an app where people can say, hey, I want to come into the country, come meet me here. Why does the NOAA and the Department of Commerce under public law 92205 not have a weather modification reporting act, our app, where they can just say, I'm flying right now. Here, track my flight progress. I'm dumping chemicals here. And now I've landed on the ground. Submit report. And the public could, the public could actually take part in this conversation and not

just wait for a report. Because, I mean, so you spoke to Augustus, Augustus said in no way he had any effect on this. I mean, so how does that ring with you? Can he can he? Can he say that? Can he make that claim? That's why when I texted him, I said, you might want to get this. And we've had a previous discussion in an X space. And I nailed him to the wall on this. I said, would you agree to doing this? And he said, for personal safety reasons, I don't think that I'd want to do this because then people could come after me.

There have been recent events where a lady out in California went and confronted some cloud seeding pilots. Then, you know, made threat, you know, well, it could be interpreted. as threats against those pilots. So with hit, you know, I understand both sides. I try to see both sides. And that's a reasonable request as well on his side. Yes. And his, his response was, and I moderated, I said, would you be willing to record your activities? And when you get home and you're safe and you're on your Wi-Fi, hit submit report so that at least the public knows in real time, roughly within 24-hour period, here's all the records of what I just did. He said he would agree to that. So I knew that in advance of our interview. I wanted to get him on the record

saying that to, so that other people can see, here's a guy with the company, he's willing to be more transparent. Our government sucks. We need to hold them accountable to actually change this law because it's clearly outdated for the kind of technology that we're looking at today. And speaking of technology, is there anything outside the cloud seating, like you know, someone flying up in a Cessna or with a drone and seating clouds like they've been doing for over 50 years? Is there any other technology that is outside of this conversation that we may not know about? I understand there's maybe ground-based systems as well that are coming online? I suggest you go to weather modification history.com and actually look at the entire history.

Look at the technologies. Do some actual research. You'll learn a lot about it. The one thing that I notice that I always look for the blind spot, the thing that nobody's talking about. And in 2012, a company called Acquies and another company called Cy Blue did a joint venture to steer atmospheric rivers into Texas. I wrote an article about this on climate viewer.com called How Texas Stole California's Rain. You can look at the entire section on atmospheric rivers as a tag with multiple articles about this. And this technology has now advanced beyond our local board.

borders. David Miles, the guy who invented the technology, said that basically David Kaczynski from Saiblu, a U.S. Air Force company, stole his technology. This is now also showed up at climate control global trading LLC in the United Arab Emirates. China has the Tiani River, Tiani, which translates roughly to Sky River, where they're talking about steering atmospheric rivers. Nobody on any website or any, you know, video outlet is even discussing what an atmospheric river is or the possibility of somebody doing something like this. So this really goes back to the Environmental Modification Convention or the NMod Treaty. This was a weather warfare ban passed at the United Nations in 1978.

We never created a way to catch somebody doing weather warfare. So we're all stuck here being called conspiracy theorists. And intentionally, there has never been any effort. to make a way to catch people doing this. That's why I propose something called the Environmental Modification Accountability Act to bring that accountability to that. We need ground-based and, you know, satellite. We need a government, global sensor network and a citizen-powered sensor network.

Something that's going to track what's falling in the rainfall, you know, observational tools to, you know, enhance our ability to go, did somebody modify this? It wasn't, you know, a small company like Rainmaker. That is really the gaping hole that it's missing in all this. We have no accountability because we have no proper reporting in advance and we have no forensic capability afterwards to see if somebody used chemical or electromagnetic processes to modify the weather. And given the advancement in technology and AI, we have to. who have these changes pushed. So yeah, what I'm hearing you saying is the oversight's clearly not there.

The technology is there, whether it's planes or this next-gen technology that you're talking about that no one else is talking about. And there's also a space where we just, we should, the science is not settled. So the science of weather modification is still up in the air. And so is the geoengineering as well. So in this space, we have to. have this conversation with when we see these these miraculous weather fronts when we keep getting told this is a hundred year whatever fire a hundred year flood hundred year this hundred year

that we had a we had a thousand year flood here in south carolina where a hurricane set stationary off the coast of um of florida for two days and an atmospheric river came out of that hurricane and in my hometown of sumper south carolina we got 30 inches of rain in a single day so this These thousand-year floods just keep happening. And we're supposed to consider it to be all coincidental. Meanwhile, the focus is on things like it's harp. Well, you can tell when harp's on. Or it's climate change.

Or it's climate. Or the mainstream media narrative that climate change is driving all of this. Well, the sun actually is driving most of it. And then beyond that, man can intervene. It's the art of helping people fall down in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. to in weather modification, it's the gentle nudge that causes the butterfly effect. So does a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil affect tornadoes in Texas? Did his 60 grams of silver iodide actually influence things upwind?

Because that is the exact direction. The wind was flowing. The water was flowing. All of that. It also is very similar to the 2012 test for steering atmospheric rivers. Same moisture flow pattern. we had the tropical storm you know um very leftovers and they all um collided in the middle to make that be catastrophic god bless the gentleman you were interviewing earlier like i i live through

hurricane hugo i can only imagine what it's like there right now um you know people i think that it's disgusting that so many people want to speculate with so much certainty that they know that nex rad did it or harp did it i would rather live in a safe place where I say, you know what, I am not perfect. I do not have it all figured out. Even though I've been doing this 15 years and I understand most of the technologies, I'm not going to sit here with any certainty and tell you, no, Augustus had no effect on this and no, nobody else did something because nobody knows. And that is the main focus of what I wanted to bring here today. We need transparency. We need verification. Thank you. And that's how we're

approaching. And that's why I brought you on. I want to thank you for joining us today. can go over to climate viewer.com to see Jim's work and the history of geoengineering and cloud seeding. Jim, thank you so much for joining us. I'm sure we'll talk to you soon as this subject seems to just keep rearing its head. It always will and it's not going away anytime soon. Even Marjorie Taylor Green is right now saying that she's got some draft legislation that's been put in at Congress. I still haven't seen the bill text. But we really need to get more awareness of this so that we can force Congress to act on this on a federal level. It's the only way we can tackle it and even try to get some transparency. Absolutely. Bands will come with public awareness. And if we get that transparency,

more people, more of the normies are going to be looking at us going, you were right. We should all be concerned. And this ain't about CO2 and cow farts. And God bless everybody in Texas and everybody who's trying to help down there. Absolutely. Thank you so much, Jim. Thank you, Jeff.