The Hockey PDOcast - Episode 430: Mailbag Questions and a Surprise Appearance

Episode Date: March 8, 2022

Shayna Goldman joins the show to help answer your mailbag questions. Then Alison Lukan makes a surprise appearance to talk about her experience doing commentary for Seattle Kraken games. Topics include: Patrice Bergeron is still the gold standard for the Selke Elias Lindholm being underrated and underappreciated A deep dive of the best Igor Shesterkin stats this season Upgrades the Rangers can make to their lineup Mo Seider and the depth of this year's rookie class Strategy for fringe teams at the trade deadline How aggressive the Los Angeles Kings should be right now Functional differences between public and private metrics Seeing the game live from high up Providing information and commentary live in an in-game setting If you haven't done so yet, please take a minute to leave a rating and review for the show. Smash that 5-star button. If you're feeling extra generous, you can also leave a little note about why you recommend people check the PDOcast out. Thanks for the help, each one is much appreciated! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices If you'd like to gain access to the two extra shows we're doing each week this season, you can subscribe to our Patreon page here: www.patreon.com/thehockeypdocast/membership If you'd like to participate in the conversation and join the community we're building over on Discord, you can do so by signing up for the Hockey PDOcast's server here: https://discord.gg/a2QGRpJc84 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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Shana, what's going on? Nothing. I'm glad to be here. How are you? I'm good. Wait, should I have introduced you as award-winning hockey writer, Shana Goldman? Don't let it go to my head. Well, congratulations. This is the first time we've obviously.

I had you on the show since the, since the accomplishment. Listeners don't know. I think was it last year? We recorded a big trade line recap show. And unfortunately, the audio went to hell. But you know what?

Which brings us to a good segue here. I finally splurged on a fancy new mic that I'm recording on today. So hopefully all of our audio issues for the PDOCs will be resolved. And it'll be a smoother listening experience for people moving forward. This is the plan for today. We asked people on Twitter for mailback questions. They delivered. They sent us a bunch of really good ones.

We're going to see, we've kind of picked like the most interesting ones that will help us cover the league as much as we can and kind of bounce around on a variety of different topics. And we'll see how much we get through. And I'm looking forward to it. So let's start right off. Question one from Cameron Hilton asks, can Elias Linholm win the Selke or is the narrative for others like Patrice Bergeron too strong? What do you think? This is a good one. So the Selke is something I'm going to be writing about after the deadline.

And it does depend how you define it. Is it the best two-way player? Is it the best defensive player? And in today's NHL, it seems very clear that you need to be a very good defensive player who can put in the work on both ends of the ice. Right. So if you go by best defensive metric, Patrice Burge Brown is probably winning it. If you go by best two-way forward, Patrice Burge's run is probably winning it.

And I think narrative is how defense is defined by. some traditionalists, you know, what they perceive to be good defense. But the fact is, like, he legitimately is good defensively. So the narrative's there, but everything's there to actually back it up this year versus some other years where he's just perennial Selke nominee. But I think, like, you know, Lynn Holmes in the conversation, backlons in the conversation, Hins, Felino. Anthony Sorrelli absolutely is in the conversation. So it's not decided yet, but someone's going to have to really step up to be Bertrand. Yeah. I'd add Austin Matthews is there as well. Yeah, no, it's, it's a, there's a good.

combination of players to pick from. I think people generally get fatigue when they see the same player at the top of the conversation for any award really, like year over year. And Patrice Bergeron hasn't actually won this award since 2016-17, I believe, which is hard to, hard to imagine. But I feel like he's been like a finalist or at least considered to be amongst the Selke candidates pretty much every year in those intervening seasons. But in this case, I really do think that it's kind of selling him short a little bit to act like it's a narrative thing. that he's not actually deserving based on his pure production.

Even if you strip the name brand value aside from the numbers and just kind of evaluate them in a completely unbiased capacity, what he's done this year is genuinely remarkable. I kind of jotted down the scope of it. So in 650,5 minutes with him on the ice to season, the Bruins are controlling 66% of the shot attempts,

68.1% of the shots on goal, 69.1% of the high danger chances, and they're outscoring teams 33 to 17, and that 66% goal share is actually lower than the 70% expected goal share he's currently sporting. You know, take your mileage on it. Is that good? It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Whenever, you know, if you, I kind of joke, like, if you get into like the high 50s,

if you're talking 56, 58, 59%, I'm like, whoa, that's really good. You're almost approaching 60. We almost need to, like, come up with a whole new classification for someone who's approaching the 70s at 5-15. I know this is a dumb stat that we make fun of, but I should know for people who care about this sort of thing. He's also winning like 63% of his draws, which is a career high rate. He takes more of them in volume than anyone in the league.

And I think only Claude Jureux wins them at a slightly better clip. I went back and looked at the individual game logs for him this season because I was kind of curious about the matchups. There's only three times this year in like whatever 55 games or something he's played, where he got out shot at 5-1-5 with him on the end. where the Bruins did. Once was going up against Calgary's top line, and we're going to talk about a member of that here in a second

who was in this question in the last land home, and then twice going exclusively head-to-head with Sacha-Barkov's line when they play the Panthers. So it's pretty much every single night, regardless of who they play, the Bruins are coming out on top with Retrie's Bergeron. They're heavily dominating in any game state. So for me, it's not a narrative thing.

It's purely like strip all that away, and he's objectively been, whether you want to call it the best 200-foot player or the best two-way player or whatever your sort of description is of it, he's the best at both ends of the ice still. And it's remarkable considering that he's turning 37 years old as year. Yeah. And to add on to that, his short-handed impact, I was looking through Domley-Syshman's model before and he leads all forwards, you know, by a long shot. So that's important too. And then again, that does depend if you think the forward needs to play in all situations. Do you think they need to play the penalty kill? And that comes to the conversation. with Matthews too. Because for Matthews, I would think that he'd be a very good penalty killer because he's good at driving play out of the defensive zone. And we see what Mitch Marner can do, you know, a lot of more offensively inclined players don't start at the draw. They're not on that top unit.

They get those on the fly deployment. So they can go out with fresh legs against the power play and they know how to disrupt it. You look at, you know, Kim Atkinson and Sebastian Ajo. So that's all great, wonderful. But you can make the argument too that. It's not worth his time because he's so got it even strengthened on the power play. So if you think penalty killing matters, which most, most coaches and players do think it does, you look at the Perjorn's impacts there. And you go, well, he's against top competition at even strength and he's starving. And he's doing it now against top power plays and he's thriving. Everything is lining up for him to have, you know, this Selke winning season. And I do understand the fatigue of his name being in the mix because it's him. It's Copa Tarts, tapes, even when they don't belong. Yeah, no, I mean, I completely agree with that. It's, I think last year, it hasn't. It hasn't. quite as good and this kind of shows the variance of what goes in and what doesn't.

But I think like him and Marsha ended on the penalty kill last year, I outscored opponents when they were playing with one fewer skaters. So yeah, just one hell of a player. And this is like another feather in his cap that at age 37, he is still. Wait, this thing is cap. It's not lap or map. I've heard that cap is not the way to come. Yeah, I think that's how you finish that sentence, but I'm not sure.

But so the question was more so, I guess, about last little. and we did talk about Patrice Berger on here. I do, I think he is number one on my list at this moment. I think there's a really strong case to make for a last line on second. And I don't know if you agree with this, but my general stance on the idea of who's underrated or whatever, most guys aren't underrated in 2022 because there's so much accessibility online for content and coverage and every team is getting watched regardless of their market size. So if you're good at hockey or if you do cool stuff, there's going to be people posting gifts of it and talking about it, right? I think in this case, though, with Linholm, he might be a bit overshadowed by Goodrow and Kuchuk as his most common

linemates, or maybe it's the way that he kind of plays like this like very understated sort of business-like game where like, yeah, he sometimes does flashy stuff in terms of like he had that highlight the other night and overtime against the abs where he basically just forced the puck away from Eco Renton and then sprung Goodrow with a beautiful pass off the boards to just bring him for a breakaway, but for the most part, a lot of his impacts are a bit more sort of subtle, just conventionally, really positionally solid hockey. And so maybe that's why we don't talk about him as much. But if you, if you just, he's on pace for 41 goals this year.

And I'm just saying right now that I think he's second in terms of defensive impact for me as a Salky candidate. So it does feel like maybe we aren't giving him enough love just based on those two qualifications. Yeah, no, I fully agree. Because, you know, there's so many plays too, like if three assists were given out, he would have one or maybe we weigh primary assist more than secondary assists, but in his case, so often those assists are the key place to turn play around or to force that turnover or it's a smart defensive player that frees up his line mates to do it. And that should be what you want a defensive

forward or two way forward. That's everything you're looking for in a selfie caliber player. So he should be in that conversation. He does get overshadowed. And it's nice to see like there are a lot of people still pointing out what he's doing right this year. And sometimes I think, yeah, could be more. That entire line is so good. they're so good together. And he's such a key part of it. And it's definitely one of his best years yet, you know, in every which way above the surface, below the surface.

So, like, he should be right there in the conversation. The part that's a little bit tricky, though, is you could look at the fact that their next line can be used as a shutdown line as well. You have Backling right there, Mangiapani and Blanking, Lynn Holman. No, Blake Holman. Blake Holman. And then Tofoli's on the third line now. Yeah.

You have three really good players right there, Blom. That's what makes it so difficult, though, because it's like it's not. the players fault sometimes that the line around them, you know, might be considered that shut down line and then they don't get their chance to show it. But the fact that Linholm is, you know, he's part of the engine of that top line and he's doing all the right things on both ends of the ice. Like, he should be right there in the conversation. He definitely should be overlooked. But like, it sucks for him that it's happening this year against Bergeron's, you know, elite season. Yeah. Yeah. That line is up 50 to 18 at 515 so far this season. They've just been completely

steamrolling everyone. And yeah, it is sometimes tough, especially, I mean, I guess you can make the same case with Bergeron, although, you know, they've split pass for a lot of Lack up for a large stretch year from him and Marchand, but, you know, generally we kind of like lump these troughs together and sometimes that can take some of the individual shine off of them. And then Linhol's came, Linholt's case, I think certainly like, you know, Goodrow's putting up all the points and it feels like he should be a hard consideration or for being a finalist. You know, Matthew Kachuk is being Matthew Kachuk. He's also similarly got tremendous. defensive impacts, I believe, the season and, you know, does the highlight real flashy

plays shooting through the legs and all that. And so he has to be the best at that. Highest rate of pucks between the legs per 60. Matthew could check like, I don't see anyone else trying it as often and pulling it off as often. Even if he doesn't score, he's still getting the play is off. The one that he did against Colorado where he hit the crossbar, I believe, in their last game.

Yeah. Was so impressive to me because of the distance it came from. Like it felt like he shot it from significantly further out. And you know, you typically see it around the goal mouth or around the crease. A guy kind of just tries to get some leverage and surprise the goalie a little bit. In that case, it's like how do you even, you can't even expect that's coming because that doesn't seem like a logical option from that far out. And he like full velocity hit the crossbar. I was like, wow, that would have been one of the goals of the year.

So I want I want a mixtape of the best place to hit the post because if you beat the goalie and hit the post or something, it's still like it's so tough. They're like these gorgeous passes. We'll see like Jack Hughes the other day. He had that spinning move to Sharon Govich and I think it just went wide. Like that would have been a highlight real assist right there for him. And they get thrown away because obviously it doesn't end up in a goal so it's not as valuable. But these plays, you know, I want to see the best assist that don't lead to goals. I want to see the best shot attempts that hit iron.

Like I am so curious because I feel like we'd have so many more like highlight real plays if we look at it that way. Oh, certainly. Well, let's put a pin in that because I'm actually going to bring up this very topic later on in the show when we answer another question. All right. I think we did our justice to that one. Let's move on to another question from, from Matthew Golda here. Husks, how much do the Rangers need to add in order to compete for the cup or can Igor Shister can just steal a bunch of wins for them? And then in brackets, he says, also some stats about how good he's been in historical terms would be interesting too. So let's put a pin in the Rangers component of it in terms of the team and their performance for a second

here and just talk about what Shisterkin's done. I'm curious for your take. What is your favorite Shisterkin stat that sort of best encapsulates, I guess, the remarkable nature of what he's done this season because there's so many different sort of specific metrics you could kind of pull out to demonstrate that. Is there one that really really sticks out to you, no matter how sort of niche or random it is, that really just shows how remarkable Egoe Schistirken's been this season? He definitely has the most attempts at empty-knock goals this season. So that is something. And it shows his puck handling, which,

Henrik-Lanquist was elite in every single solitaire way except for puck handling. And Chesterkin now has added that in. So it's just, it's interesting for me. But I think all the seven of its starts this season can be considered quality starts. And I think that's important because it just means he's saving more goals than expected. You can take it a step further and then look at how many steals he's had. So how many times his goals saved of expected has exceeded the team. goal differential for that game.

Right. But yeah, like he has 35 goals saved above expected. That's almost at the level. In 37 games. In 37 games. Like, he was injured this season. Yes, he's starting a lot more games because the Rangers trust him above all else than obviously need him to win games.

But you look at Carrie Price, like he had 38 goals above expected in 66 games in the year that he was up for the heart, if I remember correctly. That he won the heart, yeah. Oh, won the heart. Okay. So Shostirkin's creeping up on that number already, and there's still so much more to play. And the games are going to get more important. They have more matchups against Pittsburgh and teams that they're going to be going up again.

So for me, it's just the quality. Every single night, I think the fact that almost every start's quality start shows the consistency. And then when you add it all together and you have that, you know, really high, 35 goals above expected. It's like, that's an elite goalie. Yeah, I mean, that, that's remarkable. I think, you know, my favorite is since. the new year, I tweeted this one out the other day, but I've needed to update it since, because he's had a couple of gems, even since I tweeted that out. Since the new year,

he's started 17 games. He's given up 28 goals total in those. He's won 14 of the seven. The three he lost, the Rangers gave him four total goals of run support offensively. And he still kept them within. I think one of them was a shootout. Both the others were like one goal losses. So it was right there. He's got a 952 save percentage in those 17 games and his safe percentage somehow, I thought when it got to 940, it was like, all right, this is the absolute ceiling. It's probably going to regress from this point. And instead, it just keeps climbing incrementally. And at this point, like, even when he stops, what did he stop again to Winnipeg?

Like, 44 or 45 or something like that. Yeah. It's just like. It was 57 unblock shots, I think, in all situations that he faced. And he saved 2.8, nothing above the expect that I want to see, which was his second best of the year. And the gains are still so small on that for his overall season output just because his save percentage is so, preposterously high. I brought this stat up on the last show that I did with Dom and Rob, but I wanted to,

I kind of like just vaguely threw it out and I went back and double checked it. And so I wanted to make sure that I got this out there. So he's played 109 periods so far this season, not including the three on three overtimes. He hasn't given up a single goal in 59 of those 109. And he's only given up multiple goals against in a single period 11 times so far the season. And it just kind of, I wanted to bring that up. it's obviously like a very random stat. I don't even have the context for how good other top business candidates have been in that regard.

But it just kind of patches the eye test of like it seems like if you beat him once in a period, it's like you're very happy with that and you're taking it and you're probably not expecting to do so again for a very long period of time. And a lot of these games, especially like sometimes someone scores early on him and that it just like on lockdown for the rest of the game. And I think that sort of best captures just the impact he's had where I can't. I remember feeling this confident in a goalie in a long period of time. We don't want to get too overwhelmed here with the reason to bias and be overly hyperbolic, but it really feels like he's just operating on a different plane right now.

Yeah, no, he is. The thing is like, you know, he joined the Rangers when they were a bad team. He joined, we can go further back, he joined the Wolfpack. They were not a good team defensively, and he was their most important player immediately. Transitioned to North American Ice is like it was nothing. Next year was outstanding for the Rangers. and yes, he has had some injuries and some have had some doubts about that. You know, he got this contract when I think he only had 47 or 49 NHL games played at that point.

But he showed at levels before North America, you know, he came to North America and since he's been here, what an elite goaltender he is. And this year, it's just, it's outstanding to watch because the team, as much as they've made improvements from being the leads worth defensive team, like they were a couple years back. they allow a ton on the rush against. They allow a million shots up the slot line. You know, like they are one of the highest rates there. And they're trying to play a faster tempo game to go along with

Gerard Glant style. And it's obviously not conducive to the perfect defensive system too. Like, it's going to take time. And I'm sure they're going to start turning the right direction if they make the proper adjustments by the playoffs. But like at this point, his workload is definitely super challenging. And he's responding to it so well.

He's keeping them in games. and, you know, if he has an off night, it's a completely different ballgame, you know, and if he's out of the lineup, last year it was a little bit different. Last year he was out of the lineup, it was Kit Kincaid and Georgiev trying to like hold the fort down. And the team was playing their best defensive hockey of the year. And the goaltenders still were not responding well to those workloads this year. You know, Georgiev, when he was on a run, has been playing well.

But in those sporadic starts, he really does struggle. So you can see that huge difference when it's one versus the other in net. And obviously come to the play. it's going to be the one goaltender unless there's an injury or he gets pulled in a game because they see that's out of a breach. So it's nice to see he can play at this temple. He can play at this rate. Hopefully they don't burn him out is the one concern. I'm sure once they feel a little bit more solid in their playoff positioning, they can relieve him of his workload just a little bit. But I think they also know like this is someone who came in and said, I like to face a lot of shots. And he likes to play a lot. And he's very competitive. So, you know, they're going to let him run with it.

Yeah, I'm curious. I think they have 26 games left at the time of recording. And I think they only have three back-to-back sets left in that time. So I'm really curious to see how many games he squeezes in here to bump up his total, the rest of the way, acknowledging that you're totally right. Like for a team that is going to make the playoffs and as reliant on him being at peak performance as they are, kind of having a bigger picture view of that probably makes a lot more sense than trying to bump up his game total closer to 60, just to kind of be more in line with typical, you know, Vesnan Hart trophy seasons.

Well, let's spin this forward then and bring up the first part of the question, which was about the Rangers as a team and kind of what you do between now and the deadline. And I think they're in a very fascinating spot. And I'm curious for your take on this because, you know, it seems like they're almost certainly locked up into a round one matchup against the penguins. There's still enough games left where that could certainly change. But for the most part, it feels like Carolina's probably going to get that one seat in the metro barring some sort of a fall off and play from them. And then the penguins and the Rangers are

going to be two, three there most likely. And that's going to be a very tricky matchup, because obviously as good as Tristan Jari's been this year, I think the playoff performance he had last year against the Islanders is still going to be in the back of people's minds and the Rangers are going to have an advantage their net. You've got elite talent in every position. If you're the Rangers, you've got the best goal in the world of the moment. You've got a, top power play, which I believe is converting at the third highest rate, but you've got all these sort of red flags or flaws in terms of the five-on-five metrics. How are you approaching the deadline in their current position? Also factoring in that they're kind of a unique cap flexibility spot

where next year you've got Fox and Zabinajad's extensions kicking in. We'll see what they do with Strom and that kind of second-line center position. But this might be one of their last shots to really kind of aggressively improve the team in the short term before some of these higher dollar figures kick in and they're kind of locked into at least the core that they currently have. Yeah, this is where it gets like really interesting because so many teams wait to go through the playoffs a couple times or win, you know, to lock up their core. Winning obviously brings up the price. So can really good playoff runs.

They went, they're going into their playoff window with an expensive core. Ideally, you can get a lot out of it. The tricky part two for some of it are the ages of the players. Sabanajed is in his prime. Panarins in his prime. Kreider's in his prime. The only young player in their core really is Adam Fox for those like hefty contracts. So that's the one tricky part for them to handle.

Like it's already expensive. And you don't want to look at it that is their first year of the playoffs. And they're going to be in a cap crunch by year two. They're not a good enough five on five team. And what's going to complicate things is the penguins are probably going to go for the same players that they are at the trade deadline because this is a team with show me expiring contracts that, you know, they have to go all for it if they want to have another shot with their core. So they might be competing for the same players. And if the penguins make drastic improvements, like that puts pressure on the Rangers to do it. Between their elite

talent playing at this level and Shostirkin playing at this like ridiculously high level, it makes sense for them to go for it. As long as they don't deplete the assets they took years to build up and just use them all in one shot, like that would be the killer for them. If they're going to make a big splash. Like, it should be a player like hurdle. Like hurdles are really interesting one for me because they don't have the second line center for next year unless they extend Strom. And the cost to extend Strom might not be worthwhile for them. With Strom every year, it has he peaked?

Has he peaked? Oh, he's not going to get better than this. Are they going to sell high? And then he keeps getting better. This year, it has fallen off a bit from last year. So if they're looking at this, it's a sign of what's come. Maybe their best option is trying to invest in a center. And you go for a player like hurdle, have them as your two C.

put Ryanstrom on, you know, the second line wing, and now you have two really good top six wings if Kako isn't returning or you could put Strom on your third line. And now you have a capable third line that they didn't have for a lot of this year. And it's, you know, Heidelstrom and Barkley-Drow. That's your third-like combination. Like, there are a couple options there. But if not, it feels like they're going to go for a winger, maybe one that's a rental. And so they don't have to worry about the cap complications of next year. and can let Kako and Lafranier handle those top six roles. And then maybe they go for a depth defender as well because Patrick Nemp's play has not been what they could have anticipated it to be.

But there's pressure on them to make a move and rightfully so. But you just have to like tread that balance of going all in and screwing the rest of the window that you're trying to build for. Yeah. No, I think I think that that kind of tease it out perfectly, right? I think I didn't really consider the possibility of adding a center. and bumping strome to the wing and then just letting them walk next year as an option. Because I was thinking, like, I don't know how many more minutes they can give to Dryden Hunt, for example, playing on Artemian's weighing moving forward and expect to be considered a real contender.

These are premium five-on-five minutes that you're just not maximizing. And so typically the players who are going to be able to convert on the opportunities, Panarin creates, or guys who score a lot of goals and are generally their acquisition cost is pretty high. so I'm not sure if that's going to be prohibited for them. But even some of me, someone like Arturi-Eleckenin, not necessarily to play with Panarin on that line, but just in terms of identifying a relatively low-cost player

that can come in and help with their 5-15 metrics and make it less of a landslide. Like the Penguins are going to be a tough series for them in round one if it turns out that to be the case. And then if they get through that, it's probably Carolina in a round two, I think. And I'm already envisioning the scenario. And then after that, too, go first. there it's Tampa it could be Toronto it could be Florida well I don't know if they would get by

Carolina Carolina I think the shots in that series could be like 42 to 21 in every game so yeah it's it's it's it's gonna be tough it's an uphill battle but when you have players competing that are performing at the level they are that they have like you kind of owe it to yourself to to at at making a spirited run and especially as we talked about with the upcoming kind of financial hurdles for them. It makes sense to push in at least some of their trips right now and try to make it work. So that's that on the Rangers. All right. Let's switch gears here a little bit.

Let's answer a question from Chris Rideberg. He asks, why are more people not talking about Tanner Genoa as a potential color candidate slash in general, guys are monster for the predators this year? I think. I'm sorry, you go. Well, I was going to say, I think the answer to this one is simple and it has nothing to do with Tanner Genoa. It's just purely a matter of we have such a,

it feels like especially awesome class of rookies this season. And we just don't have enough remaining bandwidth as hockey fans to, to consider people like Tanner, you know, because there's, like, if you think about it, like Dawson Mercer is someone who have loved watching this season.

And he's been remarkably effective right out of the gate. And he just has like no chance of even sniffing a top three finalist bid. Same with like, Seth Jarvis, Matt Boldie, who I love and has come on really strong. And, you know, he's made such a big impact for the wild and the games he's played. But having missed the start of the year and, you know, falling 15, 20, 25 games behind a lot of these peers, it seems very unlikely that even he, as good as he's been playing, is going to be able to make up that gap. Because a lot of these top rookies have been from day one performing at a really elite level. And so Tanner General has been awesome.

And we can talk about him a bit more here in a second. But I think it's purely a matter. of it just the circumstances of this year's rookie class. It's just so deep and so good that it's really the guys on the fringes are going to be off ultimately kind of left behind a little bit in terms of consideration. Yeah. No, that's absolutely it. Because like Tanner Genoa is an effective player for Nashville.

He's physical. He's a good depth score. He's jacked. His arms are huge, huge advantage right there. He can win right there. But like you're going up against the likes of Lucas Raymond and Moe Sider. And like Sider is the interesting one with Raymond because is this, the vote can get split because they're both on Detroit.

Like it shouldn't be the case, but sometimes that does happen. But even if that does happen, you still have Anton Lundell right there in Florida. He's thriving. You have Trevor's Egress and Anaheim. Like there's so many options this year. For me right now, it's cider. Like he's my pick, I think, hands down. But the other three, any year could be a top caller candidate.

So it's not about, you know, it's just about the field. And, you know, it sucks sometimes like you would be in the mix in another season. but, you know, hopefully he'll have a playoff front to have instead of a call their trophy. Yeah. No, I'm with you. I think Sider is by himself at the top. You know, just the context and the degree of difficulty of what he's been asked to do and how he's handled it to me, I think needs to be taken into account here. Like, he's a net positive in shots and goals at five on five for the Red Wings while playing most of his minutes with Danny DeKaiser, who just got put on waivers and was probably one of the worst regular NHLers. in the league this season. Like they've leaned on them in all situations.

He's handled it remarkably well. He's poised with the puck, like the physical dominance without the puck where he's just like bullying grown men and just knocking them to the ground and taking the puck from them. It's just stuff that you don't see from a 20-year-old defenseman

who's just entering the NHL. And so I've been completely blown away by what cider is done. I think for Ginoe, like listen, he's going to score like 25 to 30 goals this season if he keeps this up playing with Colton Sisons and Jacob Trennan, what he's done is remarkably, he's doing most of his damage at 5-15 because he's obviously not on the top power plant or anything for them.

He might have, like you alluded to this, he might have a case for being the strongest player in the league in terms of it feels like when people run into them, they basically just run into a brick wall. And sometimes, like, people are just trying to hit him and just falling backwards and flying off of them. And so he's been an impressive player for them, especially, you know, credit to David Poil and the predators here when they protected him at the expansion draft last summer. I remember being like, what?

Like, why did they do that? What did they see here? And clearly they knew something because they've got a really useful player who's producing at a high level fits in exactly the way they want to play physically. And so credit to Genoa and credit to the predators. But I think it purely is just a matter of the class that's around him. Yeah, the degree of difficulty for sighters, what wins it? And, you know, you can make the argument too.

You could say, well, Luke's Raymond's playing with, you know, Dylan Larkin. He's having an outstanding season himself. and that's the Red Wings best forward. Sure. Like that is a consideration because, you know, sometimes the top rookie gets to play with the best. You look at Panarin playing with Patrick Kane

in his rookie season. Like some would be against that. But like, you know, Zegris doesn't have these outstanding teammates either. Lendell is playing on the third line. And while he's had good teammates to go alongside, you know, like Reinhart and Marchman for a lot of the season,

like that's still not playing with the best. It's just a tough year. It's like a steep pill for any rookie going against this class. And that's such a good thing for hockey. But obviously it's a tough blow for someone who wants those nods, you know, soon into their career. Certainly. Okay.

I'm going to lump a couple questions here together because there's sort of a similar theme. D.S. Thomas 94 says, how aggressively should the Kings buy the deadline if at all? Carter Rubin asks, what do the Kings need to do to take the next step? Callisto GP says, in the spirit of the season, which borderline playoff team should buy and which should hold or sell. Los Angeles especially has impressed me as a team that might be only one or two pieces away from being legit contenders. So we've got a lot of question about the Kings. The Kings are a very trendy team. I think I'm excited to talk about them.

So where do you stand with the Kings in terms of kind of aspirations for this season, acknowledging where they are in their timeline and sort of the current makeup of the team they have and what how aggressive you think they should be and trying to sort of build on the success they've had? far this year as opposed to what we just talked about, the Rangers kind of taking a longer term approach and acknowledging that this probably is in your ear so you don't necessarily want to just be completely

getting blinders for it and then not, and then kind of not keeping a bigger picture of you. Yeah, I think for the King's asset management is going to be the most important part of their deadline. You can look at the deals that they made for Victor Arvinson. They didn't spend too much and that was a recommendation project that obviously worked out for them.

For DeNo, they didn't have to move any assets. It was just a matter of tap space. and Trevor Moore was a really savvy, you know, move for them too. And you see that line coming together. Now they have a new look second line that, you know, they're playing at such a high, you know, high pace. Offensively, they're so good defensively. It's everything that you can want from a second line.

I do think they need a little bit more scoring. I do think they could look at a left-handed defense. And their right side seems pretty stock like right now in the prospect pool. So the thing with them is though Pittsburgh has all these expiring contracts and an age and core. So that's going to push them to go for it. The Kings don't have those expiring contracts, but they have an aging core. So it's balancing it right now by making a smart move without moving

too much because you don't want to just speed up your timeline because your, you know, core is getting older when you have this new core that you could be building to come in and replace them. If you move too many pieces, you're going to lose that. And that's going to like, you know, shorten the lifespan of your next window of contention, which they're obviously building for. The division, though, is like the interesting wrinkle in this because you have Vegas who could be on the outside looking in any given night, Edmonton, Anaheim's obviously fallen out of it a bit. So they have a really good chance to make it now.

And then you have the Dallas stars for a wildcard spot too. That can make it interesting unless they jump up into the division, you know, long term, which there's a whole other conversation, you know, I think the fact that they play in the West versus the East is going to help them out a bit. And I think the fact that their division is weaker than some of the others, you know, the top is the top, but the rest have struggled a bit. It opens a door for them to go for it, but it's just going for it with some, with some restraint, I think.

Well, I think that's hitting the nail in the head here. I think generally, as like a rule of thumb, I gave this a lot of thought. As a general principle around the deadline, I think this is applicable to any point of the year, but especially so in these kind of higher leverage parts of the calendar around the trade deadline and the offseason and free agency and all that. Like, there's a certain flow chart that I'd like my team to consider when making any sort of moves. And it's a three-step process.

One, establish the goal is to win the same. Stanley Cup and not just make the playoffs. And I know we've seen teams kind of squeak in, barely make the playoffs and then go on long runs. But I think that's fools gold. And I don't think you should be constructing your team under the illusion that that's going to be you. Like I think you need to have bigger, bigger dreams here when you're building a team.

Even though L.A. was that team. Like that's the thing too. You can't try to recreate history that they got in as the eighth seed and went all the way. Like that's a big thing here, like to separate what they've done versus what they could do now. And even that team was, by the time they entered the playoffs, they were the eighth seed, but they were like one of the best five on five teams we've ever seen in the analytics era. Exactly. They made the moves that they did and acquisitions, changed their coach, everything.

So step two, critically evaluate how hard, how good your team is at the moment. And I think this is a really hard one because there's obviously emotions involved. And I think it's very easy to look at this stuff through kind of like rose tinted glasses and just think like, okay, the best case scenario could play out here for us. So let's see what happens. I think being able to sort of critically evaluate like, all right, our team is good. We're competitive, but there's better teams and we're probably not going to be able to beat them is a really tough bill to swallow, but a very important one if you're kind of being realistic

about your chances. And so once you do that, then you kind of acknowledge, okay, how close are we to achieving the goal of winning the Stanley Cup, which we've made for ourselves this year? And after you get through those two, you get to the third and most important step, which is making moves that help you get closer to that goal. So if you are a team that's kind of on the fringe and you're not sure, but you have, like you're the ducks, for example, I think it's really tough to reconcile not getting as much as you can for Hampus Linholm, Ricard Raquel, Josh Manson, even Ryan Getslaff if he wants

to go somewhere. Because while this year has been very encouraging, you're not going to win the cup. And you have a very interesting, exciting, up, like encouraging young core moving forward. but you need to surround them with pieces moving forward that can help you actually get better as opposed to just kind of living on this pipe dream. So I think aligning those timelines for your players where you're able to get at least a couple of cracks at competing for a Stanley Cup and being a really good team is very important. And so that brings us to the Kings here where, and it's exactly what you were talking about.

I think someone like Jacob Chikrin makes a lot of sense for them for a variety of reasons. And I've kind of really talked myself into that as being a really good fit purely from the idea of he's a 24-year-old who's under contract for three more seasons after this one at just 4.5 million per. They have a need on the blue line. And you're improving your team for this year. So you're not necessarily throwing in the towel or conceding the rest of the season. He certainly is going to improve your outlook for the rest of this year. But even if you fall short and you lose in round one or round two,

it's going to improve your team for the next three seasons as well where you get all of his peak years. It's going to completely align with a lot of the players that you still currently have and will be adding through your top ranked prospect pool. So I don't know. I think someone like Churkin who's under contract and at a reasonable figure and is still in his peak seasons makes a lot of sense for a team like the Kings. Absolutely. I think he's the perfect option for them to go for.

And the interesting thing too is like if they don't, the ducks might. Do you really want that to happen? And that's the thing. Like teams are going to have to consider. And you can't just do something because you think your opponent's going to in division. That team that's building at the same time as you, that is going to be your playoff, you know, competitor probably for years to come. But it should be a consideration that if you don't jump for a move that sounds good for you

and makes enough sense that they might and that's going to burn you even more. Now you're going to be scrambling looking for the next best option, maybe for the same cost because that could set the market price and they're not worth it. So for me, Chickren, I think, is one of the perfect options for them. And it makes sense why they'd be looking at him. He's left-handed. He could fit in their line up perfectly and he helps them for years to come. And the same is going to go for some of the teams that don't want to keep their restrictive

free agents. And, you know, the smartest thing a team can do is look at themselves and go, we're not good enough to do anything but make the playoffs. Let's step back, make a smart move retool really quickly and get a couple assets that we could flip in the off season to do something else. And, you know, sometimes it comes down to like you said with the ducks. If they want to move on from Lynn Holm, is that going to hurt, of course? But if you move him versus the smaller pieces that might get you a couple of things here or there, you get a better return. You don't have to break up your team as much either. So, you know, you could have a really smart strategy. with that. The Kings could still go for Chickren and find another piece to move if they really

want it as well. So they have a lot of options. They have one of the best prospect tools, if I remember correctly too. Like, you know, they rank really highly relative to the rest of the league. Why not see what you can do while maintaining that and getting better for now and in the future? Yep. We're on, we're completely aligned there. All right. I got exciting, exciting news here. We're going to be joined by Broadcasting Superstar, Alice and Luke. And a piece. videocast first. We were getting someone calling into the show. I told Allison, we were going to be recording at this time, and I wanted to get her on to chat with us. So I'm really excited for this. We're going to take a quick little break here. And then once we pick back up, we're going to talk to

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Now let's get back to the show. Congratulations on being on the broadcast over the weekend. I thought you did. I listened to both games. I thought you were remarkable in the role. And I wanted to have you on because I have actually haven't had you on the podcast since you moved to covering the crack. And you've been such a foundational guest on the PDO cast for,

for years since I started doing the show. So I just wanted to celebrate and have you on and to kind of talk about it because it's such a cool experience. And I just wanted to pick your brain for like five or 10 minutes here about sort of what just what it was like. And I even told Shane, I was like, we're having Allison on. She might pop by.

So think of some questions because we've got to take advantage of this time. Great. Here we go. Here we go. This is going to be good. I, when Allison did her thing about being a mascot, I was like, I'm going to help you. I'm going to come up with questions for you and thought of the wildest fucking questions I could come up with about her experience as a mascot. So she has dealt with me asking her questions total of one time.

And it went well for one of us. Well, Allison, well, I'm going to be. I'm the most like generic. Are we recording? Is this happening? Is this a real part of it? Oh, this is part of the podcast.

We're just keeping on this. Here's the first question I have. This is a real like generic talking head, like intermission report question. What was it like? What was it like out there? What was the experience? Tell us about us. Tell us about you.

You got to live the dream of being in the booth, of providing commentary for a live game while fully acknowledging that I would be completely terrified because, you know, you don't have a safety net there. Like you're literally on TV talking about stuff. it's happening and you're you know you're not necessarily able like on a podcast like this i can do preparation i can fact check stuff i can make sure if something goes off the rails we don't have to post the show you're just like out there and it certainly i imagine helps having someone as professional as john forsland to to be a partner on the call but just that like walk us through um what it was like

especially like you know the puck gets stopped you have 20 seconds before the puck has dropped again to provide some interesting observation or nugget or actionable information but you're kind of facing this time clock, taking time clock of like, all right, I'm going to have to let the play by play person jump in here because it's their job and I have to quickly get in and out, basically. Yeah. So first and foremost, I would not have even contemplated it without working with a pro like John Foresland.

I mean, the man is a legend. And I knew going into it, one of my, when I was asked to fill in for JT, who we all can't wait to get back and healthy. So get better JT. I said, I'll do it if you guys think I can do it and if John thinks that I can do it because I needed to know he was wanting to work with me in this little window. And I knew I would make mistakes. I mean, everybody does. And I knew that he would be amazing and protect me and get me through it. And I think this whole TV experience since I haven't ever done it, I think ignorance has been bliss. I think that I felt okay. going in, especially because of John and the organization and my team at Root Sports Northwest as well,

were just amazing in helping me get prepared. And people like Shana helping me get prepared as well cannot be underestimated. But you're sitting there and you're looking. And I think you think you understand how much color commentary is in a game, but you don't until like there's a stoppage and your producers and you're going, we're starting to play here. And I'm like, oh my God. I have to say something now.

So I think ignorance was a little bit of bliss. I would have been probably more terrified if I knew it was coming. But it's kind of surreal. And I think that when we think of commentators that we all really enjoy or who we think do the best job and everyone has different preferences, for me, I have so much respect. And particularly for someone like JT, who sees the game, knows the game, sees so many different facets and can process it all instantaneously to your point. Because how many of us count on those replays, right? Like we all do. We're like, oh, now I see that or now I see this.

To take that all in and to inform it with the way he's changing his way of thinking from a player to an analyst is mind-blowing to me. I think he's going to be what the next wave of truly top-notch commentators look like in the industry. Well, I'm really curious about, you know, in the moment, are you focusing on the monitor in terms of what's going on in the gameplay? because it's like, it's so bizarre to me to, you know, especially for like, commentator, like, you're at the game, you're watching it, but then you're not, it's such a different view compared to what you're used to from watching on your laptop or on your TV at home. And then like, what's the, what's the reference like there in terms of, you like trying to keep your eye on multiple things at once or are you focusing on specific things, knowing that

at the next stoppage, you've got something lined up that you're going to want to talk about? like what's that sort of process like in terms of literally as the actions happening kind of what's racing through your mind and what you're thinking about in terms of what you're going to say next wait let me add is there a delay though is there a delay for like one point two i know i know it's like i should i time my hands behind my back when i do a podcast come on this is what you expect from me i'll get you back tomorrow when you go like when you're on the broadcast don't i know you always do is there any delay like if you look like is it one second from like the live to monitor, like can you shift your, you know, your focus at all? Or is it so instantaneous that you can?

Yeah. So it's kind of all of these things happening. And I think I certainly benefited from being writing press for so long because I'm familiar with the overhead view versus just always watching on monitor. So that was a very huge advantage for me. And I've also benefited from going into the giffing space, which Shana taught me how to do years ago. So I'm, I'm comfortable gifing. So moving pictures, listen. So I'm comfortable going from game level to watching a monitor. But what we have in front of us, this is my process. I could be completely wrong. But my process is I'm watching the game. I've got John in my ear calling play real time. I have a monitor in front of me that is the straight feed from the truck. So it's real time. There is no delay. And then I have a second

monitor that is showing me what's being shown to the audience on TV. So I have, usually I have no opportunity to preview what's coming up before it comes up. My producer is amazing and will give me cues and be like it's from this angle or what have you. So usually watch the game, producer saying, we're going to talk about this. I switch and I look at the monitor of what's coming up and then I have to talk through whatever the replay is as it's happening. Now, similarly, as I'm watching the game, since this is my shtick, at an appropriate point, you know, I try and make educated guesses when I can flash to look at natural statric or flash to look at evolving hockey or something like that, because those will be the kind of tidbits I will try and bring in.

And then similarly, so we have a button on our mic box where let's say, and it's, this is like the best worst part. Like you might see a great play. Like Morgan Geeky had a tremendous shift in the neutral zone yesterday. and I can talk back to my producer and say, mark that shift. So if we need something going into a break or a stoppage or something, he can say we're going to the geeky shift. And then I can talk through that shift as a highlight. But of course, the Morgan geeky shift happens.

I'm so excited to talk about it. And then there was a goal. So of course, the goal takes priority. So we never get to see the geeky shift. So watching live, preparing to watch monitor and also conversing, listening to John and also conversing with producer real time on things we may want to see, players we want to ISO, what's coming up next. The more I explain it, it sounds really crazy. I mean, it's a, it's like an overwhelming amount of stimuli. I've never, I've never done

commentary on a game, but I've been lucky enough to do like broadcasts during intermission, live from the rink and just like these Canucks games and they're just like, it's just so loud. And there's like literally people behind you that are fans that are just like yelling and trying to get your attention. And it's, it's, it really takes like a broadcasting professional to kind of tune that out and just focus on what you want to say and not just kind of have complete brain for it. So I thought you did a remarkable job. And then like the breakdowns of plays after are obviously a forte of yours, but doing it in a live setting like that is really cool. I know the birds eye of view does really provide you with an interesting perspective, though, especially in terms of like

seeing how plays materialize that you're just, you, you don't. get to see it when you're watching from home because you can't see necessarily like where the player was coming from if they're like a trailer or something like that. So it's got its pros and cons, but yeah, it's really interesting. Okay, I'm going to ask a question. In a professional way. Okay. Okay. Are there any stats like the other day you were talking about offensive zone time? And you said when that and then that came up on the scorebug and you were able to talk about it. Can you get that in real time? Like if you wanted to know what the team's carrying percentage is, Maybe not as much of the nitty-gritty, but what do you get during games that we wouldn't be able to get normally?

Yeah. So for me, great question because it gives me an opportunity to again praise the Root sports team. I'm used to getting that from sport logic on a period by period basis, which has always suited my work in the past and the cadence of my work. So I was fully prepared to hint at it and talk about it after the first period intermission. But my team at Root has access to a different service that has a solidness. select group of stats and they just picked up on me saying that and then they were in my ear and said, look at the score and it allowed me to speak to it real time. So they have a stat service. If we get to things like entries and stuff like that, we also have a stats human who's in the booth with us,

who's tracking things live. And if we ask for specific things or ask them to track stuff like that, we can because I don't know that we get entry and exit data real time. And also I'm such a snob about entries and exits. I like them to find the way I like them to find. So that's probably something I would not do just because then I'd be like, well, what does this mean? And what does this mean? Because that's on me. That's not their stat, their statisticians are tremendous. Well, okay, so this is a mailbag show. And we do have a question here from, from friend of the show, Ian Tulloch, um, asks, how have you, or, well, it was for Shana, but I guess we'll loop you in Alice. I'm curious your take. Have you found any major difference between private and public data, especially with

regards to the support logic in terms of certain metrics or whether it's expected goals or what have you? Shane, I'll let you go first and then Allison, you jump in on that as well. Is there anything you've kind of noticed in working with some of these metrics that people might not necessarily know just based on using natural statric or evolving wild or whatever public platform they use? So pre-shot movement is an expected goals for sport logic, and that's huge. because that's something, you know, Allison and I both talk to the four core expected goal model creators in the hockey sphere with evolving hockey, hockey, Viz, Moneypuck, and National Statrix. And that was something that everybody wants, but obviously, NHL data precludes anyone from having.

That's the biggest difference in expected goals because you can see the numbers change slightly if there's, you know, a Royal Road pass right before it or a stretch pass. And, you know, already we could see things like rush attempt, and oddman rushes and things like that, you know, second chance efforts. But this just takes it up another level. And that's the biggest step, I think, too. When we talk about expected goals sometimes, that's what the complaint is. It's either it doesn't have pre-shot movement or it doesn't have shooting talent.

And for sport logic, there isn't shooting talent either. So you can say the average shooter would have this. And then now factor in the fact that they are, you know, David Poshanak shooting from this area of the ice where we know he can do XYZ. But this just takes it to the next level from what we've been working. working with and, you know, it's great to have it with and without to have the comparison to to see how much of an influence there's a passing. And it's great that we can piece it together too with passing by, you know, Corey's work, his public work on passing too. So it's not like

we're completely without it, but to actually have it in the expected goal model, I think is a, is a huge step forward. And I can't wait for that eventually, hopefully to be a thing that everyone has. A dream. Yeah, I mean, I agree with everything Shana said, obviously. And I think that what's, you know, we all are indebted to Corey Schneider for forever and infinity, but he is just one human. And so I think, you know, again, for Sport Logic to have access real time to bigger type queries that we often have to wait for a little bit is huge. And I think my gut tells me, what I like about Sport Logic also is that because they have this broader data set, you can look at a profile of a player differently and more robustly. And with,

different skills above and beyond what we just see. And I do think I've not seen it, but I do think that there's even another level in terms of what a hockey operations team has access to through a company like Sport Logic or obviously depending on where they are in their journey, parsing out this tracking data that is coming down the pike where, you know, and I think that there, the difference is that if you have the staff, you can get access to the raw data, you know, the stuff that Shane and I are doing is impressively processed and calculated by sport logic and their definitions, which is amazing. But I think it's asking the new questions and being able to manipulate the raw data at

its most base level to answer these very unique and specific questions is what sets them apart as well. Well, my answer to this is Shane and I before talking about how frustrated it could be that, you know, if someone can make a nice pass, but if the person receiving it doesn't, doesn't put the puck in the net, it's typically not a highlight that we're going to circle back to and it's not going to be in highlight reels. We're not going to consider it. When we're talking about the best playmakers or the best passers in the league, we generally cite assists, right? But that seems so silly when you think about it from respect to you can't really isolate it. You could argue that

the best playmaker will put their shooters in a position to succeed by getting them the puck in dangerous areas and helping kind of put the puck on a silver platter for them. But ultimately, they're dependent on those guys converting their chances. And I recently did like a big deep dive of Johnny Goodrow because I was really fascinated about the season he was having. And so I went back on Instat and I watched all of his shifts this season. And Instat is a great video service because it gets rid of all the commercials. It gets rid of all the shifts where he's not involved and sort of allows me to just isolate that. But I also did get a glimpse into what Corey Schneider goes through in the sense that I had to work through 50 games worth of Johnny Goodro's shifts. And there's a lot where nothing happens,

obviously. And so it's a very laborious exercise and very time-consuming, right? But I found it to be immensely intriguing to keep track of all the shot assists he was creating because it really helped capture how integral he was to the team's offense in terms of how everything revolved around him, how he was able to set people up, the kind of looks he was constantly generating. And I really, that's a stat that I just, I would love to have one click away for every single player and use that as more of a proxy for playmaking or offensive involvement than just, oh, this guy has 27 secondary assist this season. That doesn't ultimately really tell me that much about how involved they were. That goes back to like the Morgan Geeky example I gave right in

the broadcast. It's like to me that was an important play. To me, that was Morgan Geeky doing some very important things as far as transitioning the puck. But, you know, and we all know this and I say it all the time. And listen, I'm guilty of it. And we're all guilty of it. Who are on the broadcast side, we're guilty of it. What do you see when you watch the five minute game recap? Or what do you watch when you watch, you know, on the fly on NHL network? You see the goals or the saves. And I understand that that tells the story of the game. And I understand that goals dictate standing points, dictates, dictates, but I think this is the new challenge for us, too. It's not just having the data,

because people like Shayna are writing on this across the league every single week. It's not just having the data, it's communicating why this is important and changing, understanding that there is value in games and understanding that, but also understanding that player evaluation is perhaps a different value calculation and demanding that above and beyond just the common stat line and wins and losses. Yeah, you said the smart thing there. Is that what you're going to say, Shana? Oh, yeah, totally.

Actually, verbatim. Allison, took it right out of my mom. We're so linked up. We have a shared brain. She just puts it out in such a smart way that I'm just going to not by him and be like, yep, that's it. That was awesome. All right.

Well, we've taken up and off of your time. Let's get out of here. Allison, first I'll let you go plug some stuff. Where can people check you out? What are you out next on the schedule? And then, Shane, I'll let you go out for that. So you can find me on Twitter at Allison L. My writing is at the Seattle Cracken website under the news section.

This is insane to me still, but there is a section called Analytics. with Allison. That's there. And I will be on Roots Sports Northwest for pre and post game shows on the usual. And I'm on the game broadcast for tomorrow's game in Toronto. And what is tomorrow's Tuesday? Time is a flat circle. And Thursday's game in Ottawa.

Thank you, Shane. See, that's why Shane is smarter. I'm just following. It's fine. I'm just here to take clips of her, post them on the internet. I get a bunch of clicks on them. Be like, yeah, look, my friend's starving. It's fine.

Stop it. You're a rock star. Oh, where do you post those clips, Shane? Tell us about that and tell us about the work you've been doing because it feels like you are writing at an insanely frequent volume and I try to keep up with everything, but it's exhausting. And I can't imagine how you do. So give us the rundown of sort of some of the recent stuff you've written about

and where people can check all that out. So you find all those fancy clips and jiffs and moving pictures and videos on Twitter at Hey Shea because I'm very professional over here with three watch on the hay and free wise on the show. Let's see. I have coming up, I'm writing about the next Barkley-Gro or Blake Coleman that's available on the market.

That'll be up on the athletic tomorrow. I have fantasy hockey going on Fridays. And I'm doing something about trends for contending teams at SportsNet. I think it's running tomorrow. It'll be about the teams who are kind of sliding like Minnesota, Toronto, and the teams who are really thriving like the Dallas stars

as of way to make that playoff push. well i'm looking forward to all that and uh appreciate both you taking the time out of your busy schedules to come chat this was a blast i'm glad we got to connect so uh keep up the great work and uh and hopefully we'll have both you back on sometime on the road thanks for having thanks so much for having us all right that is going to be it for today's episode of the hockey pedio cast thank you as always for listening thank you to those of you who sent in mailbag questions apologies to those of you uh that's sending questions and didn't get them answered on today's show we only had so much time to get to the ones that I thought cover the most ground.

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