The Hockey PDOcast - Episode 432: Trades We'd Like to See at the 2022 Deadline

Episode Date: March 17, 2022

Thomas Drance and Jack Fraser join the show to help cook up trades we'd like to see at this year's upcoming deadline. Players discussed include: 3:30 Mark Giordano 14:00 Hampus Lindholm 20:00 Claude Giroux 29:30 Jakob Chychrun 37:30 Conor Garland 45:00 Brandon Hagel 52:00 Patrik Laine 57:00 Travis Sanheim If you haven't done so yet, please take a minute to leave a rating and review for the show. Smash that 5-star button. If you're feeling extra generous, you can also leave a little note about why you recommend people check the PDOcast out. Thanks for the help, each one is much appreciated! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices If you'd like to gain access to the two extra shows we're doing each week this season, you can subscribe to our Patreon page here: www.patreon.com/thehockeypdocast/membership If you'd like to participate in the conversation and join the community we're building over on Discord, you can do so by signing up for the Hockey PDOcast's server here: https://discord.gg/a2QGRpJc84 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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Dimm. How are you, sir? Good. I was going to introduce you as the same studio that brought you trades like Max Mammon in a three-teammer. In a three-team deal. Hey, that deals aged well. Max and Mammon and Vasili Podgolzin on the same fourth line. would have been cool and affordable to pull off. Yeah.

I've had some takes that haven't aged well, especially recently regarding the Canucks ever catching the Vegas Golden Knights. But that one has aged well. I have to admit two times this season, I can distinctly remember looking up at the screen. The Panthers were playing. And a Panthers forward drove to the net with the puck. And I was like, is that Barkov?

And then he turned around and it was number 98 Max and Mammon. I know. Guy's dynamic. Yeah. He's dynamic. And he could have been available. He could have been yours for a conditional seven. If you listen to the podcast.

All right. So it's good to have you on the show. Also joining us is my colleague from EP ringside, Jack Fraser. Jack, what's going on in? Not. Well, actually, no, quite a lot. Too much, honestly, in the past five minutes or so. I'm going to have to completely scrap my Thomas Hurtle,

Cali, Arn, Crock, Ben, Sherrott, three-way trade. Yes. Yeah. It's, so we're recording this. It's Wednesday, 5 p.m. Pacific time. We just had the Sherat and Yaron Croak trades come through. We still don't even know what went back in return, but we're going to power through it.

Here's the plan for today. We're going to hopefully get people ready for next Monday's deadline if there still are any trades to be done by then. But most importantly, we're going to try to have some fun. And I think it's a waste of our time to be trying to predict what will happen. I think it's much more fun for the purposes of exercise to focus our efforts on cooking up fake trades that we would like to see. and so that's kind of the criteria for today. And I've only got a couple rules here. They're very simple, but I'm just going to reiterate them.

So when people are listening, they kind of know what we're working with. One, we need to have a reason to believe that the player involved is at least theoretically available for trade. And by that, I mean, we've seen their name either floated by reputable sources or they've appeared on trade boards in the past. Two, the deal itself needs to make sense logistically. The team acquiring the player needs to be able to realistically make the money work and fit them onto their team. and three, we're not going to get bogged down by the specifics of returns in terms of like conditional fourth round picks and stuff like that. Speak for yourself.

I'm going to let you do whatever you want to do. I'm just saying for myself personally, I'm much more interested in identifying roster players and the fits between them and not worrying about all that stuff. But, you have freedom to do whatever you want. So with that all established, let's get into it. We're going to take turns pitching each other on trades we'd like to see. Tom, because your trade. track record precedes you. I'm going to let you go first. Give us your first fake trade.

All right. I'm going to start with a three-way trade. I'm going to drive down. I'm going to look it up on Google Maps and I'm going to take a visit to Stevie's laundromat because, yes, I've got a three-way retention deal here. So the first part of this deal is Detroit's going to get a fifth round pick and retain half of the salary before chopping it on to me. With the, the, the, the, the, the, the first team already having retained half. So I don't know why I started there. That's the least interesting part of this deal. The Seattle Cracken Suck, they're really bad.

Yep. But in thinking about who's not at fault for the Seattle Cracken Sucking, two players come to mind to me as being like pretty good, despite the fact that the team is terrible. And that is their pairing of Mark Giordano and Carson Sussi. I like that pair. I think they're pretty interesting, to be totally honest with you. And so they've played, you know, something like 200 minutes together over the course of the season.

In those minutes, Seattle's done pretty well. You know, they haven't even been outscored, which for the Seattle Cracken, like huge win, massive. I have this idea that the Boston Bruins are kind of not that good. and particularly, I don't really love their defense. We know that their sort of floor stays pretty high because of the star talent on that roster and because of the Patrice Bergeron impact. But in that Atlantic, like, what are you going to do

if you're Boston, you're kind of cannon fodder unless you significantly upgrade your D? So what about this? What about the Bruins just import an entire totally good defense pair from the Seattle Cracken? They get both Carson Sousie and Mark Giordano.

They've grafted a pair. So now you can go something like, you know, McAvoy Greslick, Sousy with Gerdano, and then, you know, Carlo with Riley. Now, all of a sudden, I'm looking at the Boston Bruins

and thinking, hey, there's a playoff dark horse if they get some goaltending. So in order to make this work, to Boston, Carson Sussi and Mark Giordano, whose deal will get washed through Stevie's laundromat.

So he lands on the Bruins at one point $7 million. That makes the deal cap neutral once to Seattle. The Bruins send defenseman Connor Clifton, forward Jake DeBrusk, and of course Seattle's retaining 50%

on Giordano. Seattle gets a future whatever, like whatever they want. Do you want 2022 first? Sure. You want Jack Studnika? Whatever. Like you're Seattle. You might make weird decisions. Whatever future you want, I'm going to say a 2022 first round pick for their trouble to Detroit, who will retain one

point seven million in salary to make this all cap compliant. They get a 2023 fifth rounder. There you go. Boston Bruins acquire an entire defense pair and just grafted into their lineup from the Seattle crack. Wow. I mean, you delivered. Let me, Jack, let me take this one first.

And then you can jump in here. Here's my issue with it. First off, love the innovation, love the creativity. So I want to encourage that moving forward for the rest of their show. show, Tom. My concern, though. Before I shit on this. No, I'm not shitting on it.

I'm just, I'm wondering what, how that fundamentally moves the needle for Boston in the sense that, I disagree with you in the sense that their weaknesses, their blue line, like your mileage can vary on them. I actually like a lot of those individual players that they have playing back there. Certainly can room for improvement. But for me, like, when I started drawing up my fake trades, the one that I was all in on was getting Tomas Hirtle somehow to Boston, right? And obviously that's off the board now that he's been extended for eight years in San Jose. But for me, just looking at their statistical profile,

like there once again, I believe they lead the league in shot share. They have an excellent defensive environment in terms of suppression. As long as they're getting average to above average goaltending from Swayman and Allmark, they'll be fine. And I think they have reason to believe that they're going to get that moving forward. And it's actually been a success in terms of splitting up that top line because Berger and Marcian, like you could put any of us three jokers with them and you'd get great results out of that line. So they've put Pastor Nacquithal. They've been excellent together. My big issue is since David Grachie left for Europe, they're having to play Eric Hollen in those premium minutes. And that's just a waste of those minutes in my opinion.

So I think for them to make any sort of serious noise this postseason and not just losing five in round one or to whoever they want to play. And like that trade probably does improve them, but it doesn't do nearly enough for me in terms of their ability. projected, which should be we need to actually move the needle by getting a second line center here that can come in and maximize those minutes and give us a chance to score enough to keep up with Carolina, Tampa Bay, Toronto, Florida, so on and so forth. Let me just rebut that really quickly, right? So we're talking about, though, a team that, you know, in terms of goal differential, right,

in terms of goal differential, they're like plus 12, 5 on 5 with McAvoy on the ice, plus 19 with Greslick on the ice and then it falls off massively, right? You go plus four with Riley, even with Carlo, and then everyone else is in the red. Everyone else is that the forwards. That's my,

that's, that's, that's, if the team doesn't have depth, I mean, the, I will say, I probably would have had Jordan to the Boston on this list

if I wasn't so ignorantly dead set on Thomas Hirtle going there like, like him. But I will say, that, you know, there aren't a lot of center options, and by not a lot, I mean, there's basically no center options at all. But I do have to kind of agree with them that, that, you know, the, the defensive results have been good. And I don't think that either Giordano or, uh, or Susie are going to be moving the needle offensively at all anymore. And, you know, like, this is the best

defensive team in the league. I understand that there's not a lot of better forward options available, but I honestly would rather they go after even a flawed forward, like a max domi type, than a huge assets.

He wouldn't fit. I don't think you'd fit there. I think they... I like Getslaff more. I think that, well, yeah, I mean, Getsleff would be perfect, but does Getsleff want to move his stuff? Who knows? No chance. I don't think there's any chance gets left. Tom, here's what I'll say about this.

If you look at their shot chart on Micah's website at 515, they fundamentally cannot get to anywhere near the net as a team. And that's the issue for me for them where they get a ton of shot volume. It's not necessarily even that they're spamming point shots. It's just that aside from a few players on their team, they can't really consistently break through and actually turn those shots into high danger chances. I believe they're like 22nd or something in the league in high danger chance rate.

and then like middle of the pack and goals, right? And so I think that's the thing you need to identify in terms of, okay, how can we fundamentally improve this team? I don't think it's getting better defensively unless you believe that defensemen you're adding can help get the puck into those dangerous areas. And I don't believe at this point of his career that Mark Trudano or Carson Sussi fit that bill. No, I think more than anything,

it's that if the Bruins are going to win, in my view anyway, like they really have to be rock solid. They got to win two guys. yeah, they've got to win 2-1, especially this time around. Like, I don't see the Taylor Hall opportunity for them this time around. I don't see, you know, the big-name guy coming and, you know, and they'll find a way to get him for 40 cents on the dollar because that's Bruins hockey baby. But in my effort to extend and essentially I'm looking to take like one or two more runs with Bergeron, right,

before, you know, the wheels fall off. I might have to win 2-1 hockey. I don't know that there's a guy out there that can solve my sort of quality shot issue, my net front issue, certainly not at the same price. So I'm loading up, I'm finding a way to sort of push Derek Fawboard down the lineup on the defense and just kind of doubling down on like, we're the most responsible, mature defensive team in the Atlantic. And that's how we're going to win. That's sort of my thought process. Plus, I just wanted to pull off a pair that's stolen and, sorry, pull off a face. trade that stole an entire pair and transplanted it. I've never seen it done in hockey,

but it just makes so much sense to me that you take like the structure, like the solid structural element from a bad team, put it on a good team, and it would be cool. Yeah, no, I certainly get that element of it. And I do agree that like, who's the next best center if we were saying Ryan gets off isn't going to weigh his no move? Like, I really don't believe that Andrew Kopp is fundamentally helping solve their problems, right? They're also like, do you think they're going to move anyone? Like the jets are going to go for it. No, but I mean, there really realistically isn't anyone on the board that I think that.

But I think this is a big issue for Boston even beyond this year, right? Like Patrice Bergeron is amazing. And he should win the Selkie this year. And it's remarkable that in year 18, he's still this good. But like, what's the, what's the plan even next year for this team at that second line center spot? You're going to roll back with talking yourself with the Charlie Coyle being that. And then 15 games that are a year realizing that he's better suited as a third center. and then having to play Eric Hala or whoever else in that spot,

like Thomas Nosek. Like I don't, I kind of want to solve this center position for them, not just for the rest of this run, but even heading into next year. I guess that's not an option right now. I think, I think their only,

um, I think their only option is to, you know, go, um, go visit Olamuk in the Czech Republic and hold like, um, like a boom box over their head in the rain.

It's just like outside, David Krechie's flat and just be like, please come back, sir. Please, we need you. All right, Jack. It's going to be really tough to top that one. Yeah. But I will, I'll give you the floor here for your first trade. I have a crazy one, but I'm not going to lead with it. We'll build up to it.

That's my one three-way trade. Let's start out with a pretty straightforward one. Washington gets a left-handed defenseman for their first or second pair. They get Hampus Lindholm from the Anaheim Ducks. Anaheim gets Justin Schultz, a 22 first round pick, and Alexander Alexiev. So the thinking here is right now they have, you know, they have players on their left side. You know, like they have, I mean, Kempney is still hanging around theoretically. They have Fair Vary, Fair Vary.

He's doing okay. And, you know, Capitals fans seem enamored with him, but he's not blowing anybody away, I don't think. You know, I think that they're a team that really makes sense for Linholm. I think his kind of Jack of All Trade's Master of Nansdial works with what they have going. And, I mean, they only have so many real serious runs left with this core. I feel like adding him to solidify things would make a lot of sense for them. And they can fit him in with Justin Chols's salary without having to do any super complicated free team nonsense. I guess the question of that, Tom, is,

how good do we think Hampus Lindholm still is? Because I was pretty interested to see the commentary around Josh Manson at the time he was traded. Now, clearly they could have gotten significantly more for him if they had traded him, what, two or three years ago? And he was speculated to be in all these crazy one-for-ones with like legitimately good forwards. And his stock had dropped pretty significantly. But people were still like, oh, what a steal by the avalanche. And it helps them. But I've watched Josh Manson the past couple years,

and he doesn't really look physically the same as he used to. And it's tough to kind of suss out how much of that is real and how much of it was playing on a really crappy team for a big portion of that. And with Linholm, three years ago, let's say, or I guess it would have been like 2017 or 2018 at the time, like he was for my money right up there as the best shutdown defenders in terms of being able to like literally one-on-one match Connor McDavid when he was trying to carry the puck in against him

and hold his own and not get embarrassed and not wind up on highlight reels. And I don't know if he is still that player at this point. Now you're not playing such a significant price that he has to be that guy, but I just, I'm kind of curious what you're going to get from Hampus led home at this point of his career.

It's, yeah, I think that's a very open question. I do think it improves them defensively. One thing that I noted, having seen the Capitals recently, against a Vancouver Canucks team that sells out on the forecheck under Boudreau, right? I mean, they are all out. There's enough puck moving ability there, I think, that they can withstand the loss of Schultz.

Like, I don't think they need Schultz to get moving in the right direction anymore, particularly because Jensen's got, you know, not a dynamic puck mover by any means, but he's got that sort of like holding midfield, like he can transport it. Orlov can, Carlson can a bit. I still think Lindholm can,

even though he doesn't blow me away the same way he used to. I'm with you on Manson, by the way. I had a really good industry contact to make a good comment when I was sort of wondering why Manson didn't net more. And their comment was, that's the price for name value and name value only. And I thought that was pretty much dead on with Manson, just considering the durability issues, right?

The fact that he's not quite the physical stud-R-D, that we've sort of come to know, certainly that we saw them as five years ago. So, yeah, I mean, I like that deal for them. I do think it makes them better. I do think this Capitals team's going to have to be another one of those two-one teams, especially once they come up.

I know it's wild to think that because they have Alex of Etchen, right? Because they have Kuznetsov, but once they come up against some of the teams that can outskate them, outscore them, you know, I do think they're going to, need solidity more than they are sort of a secondary right-handed puck mover on on their second or third pair like Schultz. So I think Lindholm makes a fair bit of sense there. I like

that fit for Washington. Yeah, I'm kind of down on Lindholm to Dim. I think we're on the same page here. You know, I don't think he's nearly the player that he was a couple of years ago. I don't think he's having a great year. And I've heard that from from people who, you know, watch every Ducks game and have every reason to, you know, be biased in his favor. But at the same time, I think you drop him down to a second pair. You put him next to a more stable player like Jensen,

as opposed to, you know, he's been playing a lot with Drysdale in the past two years, which is obviously a whole different set of responsibilities. You know, you look at the microstats. I think that there is still that skill there, even if it's not anywhere near what it was. But I think more realistically, I just, I find it tough to imagine that he's,

not going to at least get some kind of weight first. And I'm ready to be surprised. I mean, the breaking news, 2023 first round pick coming to Montreal for Ben Chirot. The price has been set. Ben Chirot for a first. Oh my goodness. It's a first, a fourth, and a prospect that I believe they took in the second round

a couple years ago. The HABs did retain half of the money, and I think that's going to be important coming up here in a second. But did this management group take it? Or did the former management, right? Like it's not their own second round pick. It's a second round pick they inherited surely, right? Yeah.

Like is it, I think so. Is it Hapo Niemie? No, it's Ty's Malanic. Okay, so that might be their own pick, actually. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I would have liked Linholm for the Panthers, actually. I want to talk more about the Panthers. You're one of my trades.

Sorry, to be clear, oh, to be clear, I do know. I do know that it's not their own second round. It's not previous management second round pick because I'd know him if he was. You weren't there giving ties his hat on. Yeah, exactly. Correct. Yeah, I would have liked Linholm for the Panthers, especially if we're talking about a price like that as opposed to shrodd, but that's here and or there.

All right, well, I guess it's my turn here, hey? It's your turn. Let's go. Bring the heat. Okay. So a couple of my main ones got taken off the board here. I had, well, first off, when I started planning this like a week ago, I was really excited about Pavelski to Minnesota, and that's obviously off the board. Then I was excited about her to the Bruins. I even had getz laugh or yarn croak to the flames, and I guess they're off the board for

both of those now. They actually have Cal Yarn Croke. So I'll go with the Panthers acquiring Claudeau here. And I believe they still have the financial flexibility to pull it off after shedding Vitrono's contract and getting the haves to retain 50% on charot. I've been kind of surprised to see that people have the last. on to the abs as being kind of the industry's favorite landing spot for Giroux. And I understand why in the sense that there should be considered the cup favorite.

And, you know, Girou is a talented player. It's a very, you know, offensively friendly environment. And so I think he'd look great there. But for me, the reason why I like Girou going to the Panthers more in terms of if I had my own wish list for him is just because that I feel like that fit for them next to Barakob on his right wing now that they've moved Sam Reinhardt away and have him kind of anchoring his own third line with Mason Marchment really allows them to maximize those minutes. And I feel like just going from the situation he's currently in where he's basically having to play center at this

point of his career in like the most miserable situation, just playing out the string in Philadelphia to, I think for my money, the most offensively stimulating environment in the league at the moment on Barkov's wing where Carter Verhege and Barkov can basically carry the puck most of the time. All Girou really needs to do is just kind of hang out in the offensive zone and orchestrate some of these passing plays that they do in terms of the giving goes and three man weaves and so on and so forth. And so I think you'll be electrifying. And I guess the only concern is, are the Panthers already so good offensively that you kind of hit a point of diminishing returns where how much better can they reasonably be even adding Giroux to the mix? I guess the answer is

probably pretty high if you're replacing your boy Max and Mammon or Joel Thornton, who's recently been playing on that wing with a player of Giroux's caliber. So what do you guys think about that one? I think it's great. The best fit for Girou for me is just any team that isn't going to play him at center. Not that he can't play center, but I just think at this point he's proven over the past couple of years that he's better suited to being a winger. And I was digging into some of his stats today, the microstats as well as the macro level ones. And I think his defensive of impact are quite good in a way that I don't think people really have noticed in the past couple years. I think maybe playing with Sean Gaturié covers things up a little bit. But, you know,

I was looking as forechecking numbers are all very good, very good puck recovery. And, you know, obviously he still has a lot to bring in terms of playmaking. But I really like the fit on a team like Florida that does occasionally get a little bit leaky. You know, they play so fast that a lot of the time they do give up quite a bit the other way. I feel like Zeru, he's not a one-for-one comparable with a guy like Joe Pavelsky, but I can see him kind of fitting and being that, you know, the guy who plugs the holes in the same way that Pavelsky is for, you know, the linemates that he plays with who are these super fast dynamic players,

even if he can't quite keep up with them speed-wise. Well, Tom, here's the thing for me. Like, if you're kind of projecting ahead to a post-season matchup, if you're playing Toronto, I assume you Barcov's going to see. a lot of Marner and Matthews. If you play Tampa Bay, it's going to be a lot of head-to-head against Point and Kutrov. And I think, like, the combination over Hagea and Barkov is obviously great. I think if you could add a player of Claude Ruse caliber where you feel confident

giving those, like, really high leverage minutes in a tough matchup to him and feeling you can come out on top of that and really actually potentially even dominate it, especially if you can keep the puck in the offensive zone, like that would be a massive. it's kind of a luxury item, but I feel like they can almost kind of justify it at this point. I know they just gave away their 2020-3 first in the Shirah trade. They still have, you know, this year's, or I guess they don't have this years, do they? Did they trade it for Reinhart? Yes, that's correct.

Yeah, there's some weird conditions going on I just read about where there's some strange conditions with that Reinhardt trade that are affecting the next year's pick. I think the Reinhard pick was conditional. I think it's one reason that the pick that they just sent for shroud is unconditional. Right. There's some strong stuff. Anyways, it doesn't even need to be a first, right? Like, I feel like you could get a lot of mileage out of Owen Tippe. You can add other prospects.

You can give them whatever they basically want. I feel like you can provide a very enticing package. If they need to throw in Justin sort of, right? I mean, they have enough coming that I think you can make, you know, you can easily make up a first round pick. Like, but I mean, you might prefer Justin sort of. sort of even if he was a third round pick two years ago to a first round pick in 2023 right especially if you're Philly and you're in the extending rest of the line in business where you might be thinking I want a guy who can join the team

in the next two years instead of a guy that you know a draft you want a guy that can play on nasm Cadreys wing when you sign him to a massive deal this summer well and and and the thing for me is sorry I'm going to skip right past that one yeah the thing for me is you know with with the Panthers I think they get kind of talked about as being the league preeminent rush team and they certainly are but I think in terms of like the offensive zone set plays they run like they really do run kind of like very simple stuff that you would practice at a young age but they're just able to pull it off at the NHL level like they're running these three men waves and give and goes and players are constantly on

the move and I just imagine for Giroux going into that type of environment like he would thrive so much off of that so I don't know I'm very intrigued by that I've got two well sorry I've got one drawback, right? One drawback is if you acquire Claude Jureus, the Florida Panthers, and do not play him as sort of a right-handed shooter on a line with Hubert Owen Barkov that just goes about passing the puck into the net every period, you're kind of doing a disservice to like excellence in the sport. You're like denying

us what would be one of the coolest possible play styles that we've maybe ever seen, certainly that we've seen ever seen since like, I don't know, probably like Malkin Crosby, the twins, you know, I mean, it's really a, it would be a rare combination of skills. But would you ever consider, you could also load up in the playoffs with Barkov and Reinhart, for example, right? And have two absolute two-way drivers on one line to go against Matthews, particularly because the Tavares-Nielander line with how they've been trending. I don't think is posing a huge. huge threat.

No. Would you consider doing that and then playing Huberto with Giroux and Bennett? I sort of wonder about that. That would be a pretty cool passing line. And you've got a guy in Bennett who's just going to mix it up, keep it simple. You know, that could be an option that you open up if you get Girou onto Florida. So look, I'd love to see it. It'd be a lot of fun.

Yeah, I guess, Jack, like, how do you feel about this sort of the calculus of they're already by pretty much any stat you look at the most prolific offensive team that we've had since 2007 in terms of shot generation, expected goals, goals for. Obviously, it's more difficult to score in the post-eat, especially when the quality of competition improves. So you could argue that Jeru would give them more flexibility in terms of doing those options that Tom just suggested in terms of mixing and matching in terms of playing the matchups. But also, I do wonder if at some point you do kind of hit your head on the ceiling of like, all right, we're already so good offensively. How good can we reasonably get?

Are we better off? I know they just acquired chariot, but kind of trying to get different player types as opposed to just trying to kind of keep going, going, going offensively. Yeah, I would say that I think Juru is versatile enough that you kind of get past that. I think he can create offense in enough ways and still an effective defensive player where you're kind of improving it in both directions and you're putting yourself in a positive scenario where if the panthers the way they play runs into a wall like let's say they play against the hurricanes and the hurricanes are able to kind of grind them down i feel like shrewd plays

the style of game that would unlock some other offensive options for them just in case the high flying hubredo stuff doesn't work quite as well yep i like that um all right well we are uh half an hour in and we've each pitched one trade so far so we're uh speeded up we're doing well let's take a quick break here. Okay. And then we're going to pick the conversation back up and then maybe we'll try to kind of rattle through at least like five or six more. Sounds good. Champions aren't born. They're made. And the secret to make your business reign supreme, Shopify, the all-in-one commerce platform to start, run, and grow your business. Forget the off-season work. Shopify makes it simple to sell to anyone from anywhere, whether you're selling warm-ups or warm.

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Tom, kick us off for part two here. Give us your second trade that you'd like to see. All right. Well, I'm glad that Florida acquired a defenseman because it doesn't kill this idea. The Carolina Hurricanes are, for me, probably the best defensive team in hockey. I know that Freddie Anderson's got a lot to say about that,

but man, they're good. And I have this vision, like, of a team that's sort of able to recreate the Tampa left side and just find efficiencies on the right side of their defense core, which they've kind of done expertly, right? Like you think about how they replace Dougie Hamilton in the aggregate with Ethan Bear and, you know, Anthony DeAngelo this season, right? I mean, that's sort of a thing they do. So my idea is to further solidify the hurricanes left side by having the hurricanes go out and acquire Jacob Chigran.

right? The biggest defense fish on the blue line. I don't know why I'm so dead set on improving teams blue lines, but I am. So Jacob Chikrin to Carolina. That's the only thing they get. To Arizona, I mean, what futures do you want? There's no more asset-rich organization in the NHL, to be totally honest with you. Well, well, other than the other team that I have going in for Jacob Chikran, which is the Los Angeles Kings. other than Los Angeles Kings. So, well, and even that's debatable. They probably are asset richer, but it's, but it's, depends on your mileage, right? I mean, so Ian Cole has to go to make the, the cat math work. But beyond that, I just sort of figured that the hurricanes, or sorry, the Arizona Coyotes have enough draft picks. They probably want some younger players that can maybe step into the lineup and play in Tempe, you know, as soon as next season. So I got Jack Drury going. the other way. I got Alexei Hame O'Salmi going the other way. That's sort of the younger guy. Joey Keene, he'll play in the NHL next season and a 2022 second round pick.

That's sort of, and I figure, I figure Carolina would ask for like a low pick back, which they'd then split into like five picks and take up an hour and a half on the draft clock on draft day. So that's my, that's my two Carolina Jacob Chickren deal. You know, when you're saying that when you're like, oh, you and Nicole has to go, I'm like,

what about Ethan Bear? And then I was like, oh, wait, he's 24. That's way too old for Arizona's timeline. Also, they need Ethan Bear. Like, Ethan Bear is going to be affordable for them next season. And I know he's been a little bit in and out of the lineup, but his results have been pretty good. Ethan Bear's good.

He's a good player. And he's perfectly suited for them because he's under team control for a bit and he doesn't have the counting stats to sort of price himself out. You know what I mean? In fact, I almost, I don't think they'd do like a, long-term gamble on him, but I like the, I like where he's at for them. I think that makes a ton of sense. I'm going to be honest with you. I also had Jacob Chikrin to Carolina as my big trade. I had it as a three-way trade, though. Nice. Let's hear it. And not even one that necessarily,

that is like the little Detroit app nonsense. So to Carolina, Jacob Chikrin and Cal Clutterbuck at 50% retained, to Arizona, Noel Gunler, Richard Panic, Thomas Hickey, Carolina's 23 first round pick, and Martin Nitchis, and the Islanders get Brady Shay. Wow. No.

Wow. But if they lose NECash, NACCHUS. So we both got it, we both got it wrong. What you're saying. I think it's Natchis, yeah.

Natchez. If they lose NACIS, who, like, if they lose NACCHIS, who replaces Troch when they, when he walks, Yes, very Cochanne. I assume they're hoping

Coquanami me based on the contract they just gave him. You think so? I think that contract though is like, uh, that contract to me just implies like middle six.

I mean, that contract they gave him is like pretty much exactly what Trochik was just coming off of, which I know they did. They didn't technically sign Trojord. I, I mean, obviously I agree with you that the Chikrin is,

is a perfect fit in Carolina. I just wrote a, a huge piece on him for, uh, He'd be brimpsite. It's like 2500 words. He has like exactly the skill set that they love. I mean, he's a great rush defender, excellent stick in the zone.

Really the only thing, you know, he loves to shoot it from the point, obviously. We know that. You know, he fits them to a T. And, you know, the one thing that he doesn't do super, super well is past the puck. Like, he's not a great puck mover, which, I mean, Carolina is the one team where that really did not matter any less. Because, you know, he really would not be required to fire pucks up ice nearly as much as he would for a lot. of other teams that are interested in him. I will say maybe I gave up too much for him.

Thomas, I think you maybe gave up a little too little based on what we've heard of what Arizona is asking, especially if they want the deal done now. I mean, I didn't hear if I gave up Joey, I gave up Joey Keene, Alexi, Hamosalmi, Jack Drury, and a second round pick. That's like four high quality futures. Nah. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not hearing.

There's no way nature is moving. I'm not hearing any blue chip pieces. I mean, NACIS might be a bit much, but I can't imagine why Arizona would feel the need to move Chikrin without having at least one kind of big banner piece, let alone no first round pick. So I am skeptical of, I mean, at least L.A. must be able to beat that offer with any number of prospects they have. When you mentioned the Chikrin to the Keynes, I shudder just thinking of the fact that the canes are somehow possible. take more point shots. It seems to work for it. With the chicken in there?

I know it does. They're so good at retrieving and getting it back. But yeah, I mean, he's a good player. And I don't go into the Kings. And I know that's kind of like a very chalk pick. But I just think it makes so much sense for them in that it improves them whenever he comes back from this minor injury for the rest of this season and kind of allows them to sort of build off the feel good story of the fact that they're sitting in second

in the Pacific right now while also fitting in with their general timeline of, okay, he's on the books for three more years after this one. So he can kind of grow with his team as a 24-year-old. And they can justify kind of moving a bunch of the pieces that they have in their farm system for him because they just have so many of them. I don't think it would bleed them dry by any means. So it kind of checks all those boxes for me. I don't know.

I feel like I'm not particularly satisfied with the balance either of you struck in terms of what would go back in return. And I'm not sure what that balance would be for character. Carolina. I don't know. Nages is a lot, but they definitely do need a one blue chipper back if they're moving chican. Because they have no reason to force moving them right now if they don't get it, right? Yeah. I mean, that was my thinking. You know, like looking in their system, you know, Nate just, I mean, he's not having an amazing season this year. He's got nine goals and 29 points and 55 games. I mean, obviously, you know, we think the world of them, but I can see him being considered just kind of like a reasonable, you know, asset to be to be moved in this case. But I mean, L.A. is the logical fit in terms of where I think he would likely end up if he were traded. But I just, I love the Carolina fit so much. And I do think theoretically they can make it work. Also, I mean, we're all ignoring the Cal Clutterbuck coming to Carolina, which, I mean, he would be perfect in Carolina. And Brady Shea in New York, Lou LaMerello would love the hell out of Brady Shea.

So the puzzle pieces they're fitting. I tried St. Louis at first, but I was told off by a lot of St. Louis fans. fans I proposed that too. Okay. Wow. There's a lot to take in there. Okay, so Tom, I have a trade idea to run by you specifically because I think you can sort of vouch for the likelihood of it or sort of kind of the inner workings of it.

And for me, it is Connor Garland going to the New York Rangers. And the reason why I bring that up, I know that they've been more. so linked to J.T. Miller and Brock Besser has gotten a ton of traction. A complicating factor here is that the fact that the Canucks are working their way back into this playoff race and winning a lot of games and they might at this point feel more comfortable just waiting until the summer for the market to kind of open up a bit more and recalibrate and see where they're at and then make any big moves. There's also the fact that I think the Rangers might be hesitant to take on a contract like Garlands because East got still much more term and future financial commitments to it.

and with the fact that their second line center position is still up in the air with Ryan Ström being a UFA, the fact that Adam Fox and Mika's Abinajad's extensions both kick in and are big pay raises, I think they're going to want to try to maintain as much flexibility as they can heading into the summer. So I'm not sure what that appetite would be. At the same time, every way I look at it, I feel like Connor Garland is, aside from, I guess, being like a bit smaller and they seem to have kind of gone into different direction in terms of their team building under jury.

It seems like in terms of what he actually fundamentally brings in a table, it's like literally the perfect player for what they need right now. I think at this point with how the Canucks have fared. I mean, look, we all have seen how this organization has functioned over the last eight years, right? There's never been a shortcut that they haven't been happy to take, right? Like, that's who the Canucks are. So now they're going to sell one point out of the playoffs.

I know they've changed management. I know that Jim Rutherford doesn't have the same. same skin in the game that Jim Benning would have, but come on, that's not, Leopard doesn't change its spots. I would be shocked. I would be shocked at this point if the Canucks were to sell. And yet, if they do sell, or if they do make a move, so long as there's, you know, something that goes into their lineup right away coming back, you know, I do think Garland and Brock Besser would be far more likely than J.T. Miller. Yep. So maybe, what do you, what do you send him back to Vancouver? Do you think that Rutherford is in love with Connor Garland, the player, for being realistic?

I don't know, but when you think about Jim Rutherford's usual MO, right? Straight line, speed, and or size. And he has neither of those. Connor Garland has neither of those attributes. Brock Besser has neither of those attributes either. So, you know, I think, I mean, I would not be shocked to see a Connor Garland deal in the next 18 months. And yet he's played pretty well in Vancouver. And I do think he's won some admirers within the organization just with his grit and, you know, don't give a fuck sort of approach to the game. I think he's got some fans. But do I think when he considers what it's going to take to make it through the playoffs out West that Connor Garland?

Garlene fits the template of the team that Jim Rutherford himself would have built? I probably not. I mean, so what do you want back? Because I know that you prefer Zach Jones from all of their young defensemen. I do like Zach Jones a lot. But I mean, I think the Canucks would, I think the Canucks would probably lower their sights if you're talking Garland as opposed to Miller, right? Like, I don't think they were going to deal Miller unless another guy named Miller or Braden Schneider were coming back.

but, and that's when they were going to trade Miller. I don't even think they'd do that now. But, but, you know, for Garland, probably prefer the righty, the Swedish guy, Lindquist, considering this club's needs. I really, like the reason why I'm interested in Garland to the Rangers because of the skill set that I said, which is he's absolutely elite and just pissing off the opponents

and drawing penalties. And this Rangers' strength is they're like operating at the second highest scoring efficiency on the power play, and that's like such a huge source of their offense, but they're very poor at actually drawing penalties. I believe they're like 26th in opportunities because they never have the puck. So getting Garland would instantly help in that regard. He'd be able to play on the right side across from Rortemipan. I think he's had kind of like a low shooting percentage the past two years.

I think he's actually a better true shooter than that would indicate. I think he takes a lot of kind of like lower percentage shots, but I think he's actually a pretty good finisher, especially if you have Artemian passing in the puck. Even though he's not fast, he can help them with that rush element as well. So I think he'd be a perfect player for them. The reason why I have no idea what that return would look like is, A, I don't know how the Canucks value him. Because I feel like generally around the league, people value Connor Garland less than I do. And that I think he actually provides in terms of discernible on ice value.

He's a classic, yeah. He's a classic example. The Rangers value their young guys more than anyone else in the league, or at least based on Twitter representation in terms of how their fans indicate that each guy. is untouchable for Jack Eichol. So I don't know what like the right sort of balance would be in terms of finding a fit between those two teams. But I just thought that, you know, J.T. Miller has been linked to the Rangers so much. And I understand that their second line center position is still kind of in the balance

moving forward. And he used to play there. But I feel like in terms of like actual skill set and what he'd bring to the table immediately, Connor Garland would be significantly more useful for them for a significantly lower price tag. Yeah. I mean, I like it. If you want to figure out what the Rangers are willing to pay for Connerner, Connor Garland just like credibly leak it so that the New York, the pages of the New York Post

negotiate against themselves on the prospects that the Rangers are willing to include and then you'll have a good idea. That's, that's the way. I mean, the Rangers need to do something, right? Like, I know they acquired Frank Vitrono right now for a fourth. But if you still look at that, I like that. I like that fit. If you have Frank Vitrano, you basically have like the poor man's Connor Garland already. They definitely need somebody to play on the right wing. I had, I had three tiers of Rangers trays for a right wing. I had the little baby one,

which was Ricard Raquel for a second round pick. I had the, okay, okay, we're doing something, which was, I'll read it off. Connor Garland for Zach Jones or one of those other prospects,

they're never willing to trade. That's how I feel. And then do you want to hear the big boy? The one that won't happen, but I would love to see Twitter meltdown. Is it literally the big boy Phil Kessel? Patrick. Kane at $4 million retained for Lexi Lafranier and Alexander he already have.

Oh, sign me up. Patrick Kane and Artami Panarin back together. The Rangers get a classic Rangers play. They get two years of, you know, one of the better offensive right wings in the NHL at $6 million. And, you know, they lose Laffronier and Laffronier, Kirby Doc and Alex De Brinket become the core of the future. and they get a goalie and gore or you have. Well, and at least, at least to brink it in Lefranier, anyway. No, I love that.

I love that trade. I want to see that happen. I'm so curious to see that just to see how low a team's five-on-five metrics can get. Yes, sir. I mean, honestly, both of them. Both teams. We'll see. All right, good stuff.

All right, who's next? Tom. I think you're on the clock, right? I, uh, okay. I've got one. you know, we've been talking for a long time and we haven't discussed how any of this impacts the Maple Leafs. So I look at the Maple Leafs and I see a bunch of issues,

like a bunch of things that I think will hold them back from being in the true contender tier, even though they'll probably finish this season with 110 points. Goaltending, right? Lack of speed on the blue line. And the fact that the Tavares line is not really driving play five on five anymore. So what if,

there was a team in pure cell mode that could solve all of your issues in one fell swoop. What if that team was Chicago? And what if this was the deal that the Maple Leafs made at the deadline? Ready? Mark Andre Fleury at 50% retained.

So he'd need to consent. Brandon Hagel. Okay? So this is a deal that helps you this year, but also fits within your cap structure for a couple beyond it, right? is 1.5 for another two years beyond this one. So you're thinking long term

here, which is why you're going to open up the vault sell the farm, right? And Caleb Jones. You know, your mileage may vary on Caleb Jones, but at least he's fast. At least he would add something to the Maple Leafs Blue Line needs, in my view, particularly

below the Morgan Riley you know, T.J. Brody pair. To Chicago, they need to take Marazic to make the cap math work. So, you're going to probably pay extra to have them take Marazic. Travis Dermott, same thing, just open up some flexibility. They get a young defenseman.

He's 25. He's going to be relatively affordable on his next deal. Kind of a swing. We're not really getting into the costs here yet. 2022 first round pick. Matthew Nyes, for sure, has to be part of the deal. And then need something else? Fine.

Take another piece. What do you want? Go ahead. Yeah, sure. Farm is for sale. Maple Leafs get a starter. a top six forward and a defensive depth with some, with some wheels. What do you think about that, Jack?

So I like, I like part of it. I mean, the main issue for me is I don't think Mark Andre Fleury would wave for Toronto, unfortunately. I have, I've flurried in Minnesota in my deck with Toronto getting James Reimer just because I could not justify to myself poor Mark Andre Fleury about to retire, jumping into the you know the lion's den in Toronto I mean Brandon Hagel to Toronto

makes so much sense and the return that you have going is I think suitable like the first round pick and Matthew Nyes is pretty much from the sounds of it what Chicago is looking to get I think the value going both ways makes a lot of sense

I yeah man it's it's a lot and and I here's what I don't like about it Tom I have Brandon Hagel going to the lightning instead I like that they should the lightning should pay up they should pay up for

Brandon Eagle so so here's what I'll say everyone's been kind of like tripping all over themselves over the past year to to be like all right who's the next Blake Coleman and Barclay Goodrow right and and they're like so focused on the actual player types themselves or in terms of like how they play

stylistically or kind of what their contributions are on the ice. But I think the much bigger takeaway of what Tampa Bay did with those two acquisitions at the 2019 deadline was what they represented as assets to them, right? Like the reason why they were willing to give up a first and Nolan foot or whatever they gave up for Blake Coleman, which I remember the time, people were like, were shocked that New Jersey was able to get that much. And the entire logic behind it was predicated on the fact that they were so tight up against the cap that for them to be able to add to their team for not only one playoff run, but two

playoff runs without subtracting anything off of their roster was going to be next to impossible. So they identify these two guys that could come in for like 2.7 million combined or something like that for each of the next two seasons that could step in and give them this whole new look line and obviously they took off and the rest is history. And they're once again in a similar spot in the sense that if you look at after next season, they're going to be in a situation where all three of those RFAs in Sorrelli, Chernak, and Sierkev are going to need new deals. And I imagine they'll all be very expensive. We're significantly more so than they are now.

Stamco's is going to be on like an expiring deal. McDonough is going to be in his mid-30s. Kuturov is going to be on the wrong side of 30. Like they're going to be an entirely different spot organizationally at the end of next season. So they have this window now of this postseason and then all of next year, next postseason to really see what they can do. So whether it's Brennan Hagle or another guy identified that could really help them, is Scott Mayfield, although I'm not sure how much the Islanders really want to sell.

And I think they're going to kind of just try to roll it back again next season with this group. Like the Lightning, I think any price is justifiable for them if they can add a player that can help them that's making like $1.5 million for this year or next. So whether it's Hegel or whoever else you want to put in that similar bin, like I think they need to be all over that. And so I like their like willingness to go the extra mile and give even an extra asser or two to make it happen. And that's kind of why I like the lightning getting Hagle.

Yeah, I like Hagle of the Lightning as well. I tried to make a situation work where they could get both Hagle and Lekinen and get both of the guys that everyone is talking about is the new Pullman and Goodrow. But I just couldn't get the cap to work. Like I was looking at their deadline cap space and it was like $0. So I was like, wait, they owe the league money. The Hagle, Hagle would be awesome. And you're right. everyone gets focused on the grit of Goodrow and Coleman as opposed to the structural cap management lesson.

And that's just because everyone wants to pretend that this team that has done things differently for 13 years lapped the rest of the league in terms of process and done it with undersized skill and an attractive game to watch. Ultimately needed to learn the old hockey moralist lesson of being tough in order to actually get over the hump. And it's absolute bad faith. You mean what's going to happen when the Panthers win the cup because they traded for Ben Chirot? Oh yeah, good point. Except, is Ben Chirot also a goalie?

Because otherwise, I think the Panthers are going to have some trouble winning him. He definitely sometimes looks like one. Like Alex Edler with the Kings. Hey, I've got a Kings deal. I want to make a Kings deal. Can I do this quick? Can I jump in? Absolutely.

Yeah, go for it. All right. The Kings? are amazing. And we all know about the surplus that they're sort of building on the right side of their defense core, right? But their power play is junk. Like, they really are struggling in that area. And at some point, this King's team, like, I love that the Kings are this, like, balanced team with a fun mobile defense core. But, like, you need some flash. It's Hollywood, right? Like, they need some showtime. They need some winning time.

to this team. So to L.A., Patrick Lione, let's go, right? Come on. His deal dovetails nicely with Dustin Brown's

expiring, right? Columbus, you know, is sort of holding that looking to net value. Like they traded Pierre-Luc de Bois. They need to net value. They're still in rebuilding mode.

The Kings have a ton to offer, right? So I'm just throwing names out. Maybe there's other guys that they'd end up dealing instead, but I figured Brock Faber, Alex Turcotte, and, you know, a second round pick in 2022, maybe a first. I think that's a really high price to pay, considering LionA's high QO, the fact that he's only one year away from unrestricted free agency.

But like, the Kings need some razzle dazzle. And LionA has that, even if he's never really fleshed out his two-way game. You've got to know, and you've got Kopitar, so you've got guys you can protect him with if you decide to put him in the top six. and if you want to build sort of a sheltered third scoring line and kind of use him as like a high end Mike Hoffman, you can do that with, you know, a byfield cupari lionay third line that I think could, you know, certainly pose some problems for third pairs around the league. And obviously it makes the king's power play way better.

All of a sudden, you've got Doughty and Lionay sort of up top as righty shooting options. Like you've got to be able to find a way to make that work. come on lion a in l a let's go i mean jack i think the kings the last i checked are like third in shot share behind i believe the bruin's and the flames and then they're 32nd in shooting percentage and i think there's going to be some like natural level of regression obviously i regression i think that they're going to just organically as they infuse more talent into this lineup heading into next season are going to get better in terms of turning shots into goals. But I do have to admit, I am intrigued by the idea of adding a legitimate finisher.

It's a pricey one and it's a very risky one. And I'm not sure if they're willing to do that, considering how meticulously they've been doing all of these kind of incremental steps over the past couple of years. But God damn, Lance, you did it again. Yeah, I kind of love it, honestly. I totally agree with you about the risks. but I just kind of want to see what would happen if you put Line A and Philip Denno on a line together.

Like I just am very curious that what would occur. Lina is like shooting bombs and then Dono's like jumping in front of the puck and somehow blocking it from going in there. Love it. Yeah. God damn it. Wow.

So I'm so jealous that I thought of that one, Tom. Like it's, it would be fun. And I mean, I would assume that, you know, the blue jackets and especially because it's Yarmokekalainen, right? And he never loses a trade, right? They'd be, like, pushing hard for grants or whatever. But, like, by the time you have Turcotte and Faber coming back for a guy who's one

year away for unrestricted for agency and has this super inconvenient qualifying offer, you've got to do it. Now, I do think also LA's cap situation right now? Like, do you see how many guys they have on IR? It's like 11 people on IR right now? So I think they'd have to retain some money. I think they'd need Columbus to eat, like, two and a half million. something like that to make the math work, but not,

that's not enough to shut down a deal, especially once it's pro-rated. And they have a bunch of money coming off the books this summer, which would obviously play into the future contract for Lining. I think they'll have the room to do so. Yeah, I figure it's Dustin Brown money, right? Like, like, Lione, you're trying to sign for Dustin Brown money. Dustin Brown, you can stick around at a much lower cap hit

and just sort of like, you know, finish your career on your terms whenever you want, at $1 million a year, one year deals every year you want until you want to retire. And that's kind of how you do it. And then all of a sudden you've got, you know, the best one shot score. You've got Showtime on, you know, at the staple. Sorry, it's the crypto.com arena. Of course. So, yeah, everything sucks now.

Not the Staples, like the Staples Center. Like that was sexy and pure. But, but yeah, that's like, if there was honestly one trade I'd really want to see at the deadline, there's one thing I want to see. Like, I want to see all of. of that, all of those mobile blue liners catching Lion A in stride for, you know, just ridiculous

finishes. And give me, give me like a Dersie Lion A battery or a doughty Lion A battery on the powerplay. Like, let's go. Do we have time for one more? Yeah, go for it. All right. So last deadline, things were going very boring. Not a lot of stuff was happening. And then

Steve Eisenman shocked us at the last second with a totally unexpected Anthony Mantha, or Yacobrana, Richard Panic in a second round pick trade. So I figure that he repeats the feat this year. Philadelphia gets Tyler Bertuzi, Detroit gets Travis Sandheim and a

2023 second round pick. They have almost exactly the same contract. They're both one year left after this one at I think Bertuzi's 4.9, Sanheim's 4.7. Relatively similar players in terms of, I think, the value they bring on the ice. I think Bertuzzi's

counting stats are a little inflated right now. Sanheim's underlyings are pristine and he's been holding things above water despite playing almost the entire year with Rasmus Ristelainen, which I think, you know, that deserves some Norris boats, honestly. And Detroit, I mean, they're going to be losing Ledy, who was supposed to be their fix on the left side, but I mean, really, they got nothing going on on the left side. In the short term, Travis Sandheim can totally slide in and be that second line left defenseman. And Philadelphia gets to replace Claudeauzeau on the left wing with Tyler Burtuzzi.

And they get to keep pretending to be a contender. Yeah, I like, I like Sanheim as a, as a potential pivot defensively for the Kings. I just didn't love that he only had one year left on his deal for them. I would have liked longer term. But yeah, I mean, he's a good player. I know it certainly make a lot of sense. What do you think about that one, Tom? Yeah, I'm on board.

And I think Bertuzi, again, will, will fit in really nicely on a line with JVR and Nazim Kadri next season. you're really pushing this. No, I just like, I just like, I've been thinking a lot about Cadry in the context of J.T. Miller extension. And I can't get over the fact that like you look at like Trocheck, Cadry, J.T. Miller, right? I mean, of those, how would you rank those three in terms of the quality of the player? Like probably Cadry, Miller, Trocheck, right? But, but with the, with maybe you give Miller a boost because you know he's not going to get suspended in the postseason, right?

So maybe, I mean, but either way, one, two. And it's like the two smartest teams in the league are not even going to think twice about letting Trochec and Cadre walk, right? They know that they have them on the contracts you can win with, right? And the Canucks are not one of those teams. And you know they're going to make a full run at being the team that makes the mistake. And it just infuriates me because as good as Miller has played and as much as I like covering him and watching him play. you know, there's a reason that the hurricanes are the hurricanes and the avalanche or the avalanche and there's a reason the Canucks are the Canucks and explaining that in my own marketplace is just like always going to get me yelled at. So I just find it frustrating and the and the and the Cadbury to Philadelphia thing is mostly just me picking a deal I think will age badly with a team that I think is prone to making those mistakes. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that's it. That's really it. There's nothing else to it. See, I want it down in audio form that I, I, I think, think that Cadre is going to Ottawa. I think he's the guy that Ottawa gives that gigantic pile of

money to be their first or second line set. Oh, I love that. That would be so much fun. I have to say unrelately, like, Cadbury and Kachukh, let's go. You brought the Kinnock's back in there. I spent a truly distressing and upsetting amount of time trying to come to come to terms with a three-way trade that involved the Kinnucks getting Marino, the penguins getting garland, and then the penguins flipping capon into someone and getting a relative facsimile on the blue line to kind of cover for those minutes they're losing on the blue line. But I just, I couldn't do it because I couldn't see anyone

giving them a quality defenseman for captain based on the way he's played this year. So I don't know. Do you have anything on that? I wonder what they think about Tyler Myers. Don't you friggin' dare Drans. I'm just saying, I wonder. I mean, Tyler Myers has a full no trade

and is a settled family man. So, you know, I'm sure that's not a... By the way, you know how every... You know how players can submit a list? If you had a modified no trade clause and you were playing on the Canucks, don't you think Pittsburgh's like the first team you include now they're other first the jam?

Like, wouldn't you just do that? Just like, I don't even... I like Pittsburgh. I'm happy to go there, but, you know, I think if I'm trying to reduce my likelihood of being dealt, that's the team I'm putting on the list. But, yeah, I mean, I wonder what they think about Tyler,

ours. Yeah. Yeah, I got nothing good to say about. My thoughts are well documented. All right. Well, that's going to be it. This was an exciting rendition of what's becoming

a favorite annual tradition of mine on the PDOCS. So, Drenz, I'll let you go first, plug some stuff. What are you working on? Where can people check out your work? And then, Jack, you can go after that. Check out the athletic. The van cast with Farhan Lalji

will be, doing a live episode on deadline day, probably late, later in the day. I'm also on SportsNet 650. I've got a program called the Canucks Hour, and we're doing a three hour, it's Canucks hours, like plural,

during the deadline. We'll be joined an hour one by Yannick Hansen, will be joined an hour three by Satyar Shaw. You know, so pretty good. A couple hardworking guys who are very good in the corners. We'll be joining the Canucks Army, or sorry, the Canucks Army, the Conucks Hour, which is

fantastic. So that's where I'm at. And I'm looking forward to playing cards with you, Dimitri, later today, where I'm going to take your money. I'll give it to you because you did me such a solid by bringing the heat today. Yes, let's go. Jack, give us some stuff we're working on. Well, you can read me at EP Ringsside. I got that piece on Jacob Chicken dropping probably tomorrow or the next day that you can read as well as some more deadline stuff. You can follow me on Twitter at J-Fresh Hockey. So you can see all the pretty player cards drop the second the deals go through. It's going to be a very busy couple days.

Or maybe absolutely nothing is going to happen. And I'm not going to tweet at all. And you can subscribe to my Patreon to see the pretty player cards ahead of time. You can get ahead of things and see the guys that your team is rumored to get. Full access to that, patreon.com slash J-Fresh Hockey. I get awesome value from my J-Fresh Patreon subscription, by the way. I just want to let anyone listening know that. That's a testimony.

So you take DIMS money and I take your money is what you're saying. Yeah, pretty much. And I'll be happier for it. And Jack, you and I will be back on the evening of the trade deadline with our pal and colleague at E.P. rings out as well, Ryan Lambert, and we're going to do kind of winners and losers and trade breakdowns. So hopefully we have some fun stuff to talk about then. So, fellows, thanks for taking the time.

Thanks for bringing the heat and we'll definitely have you both back on sometime soon. That's good. Cheers, bud. All right, that is going to be for today's episode of the Hockeypedio cast. As always, thank you for listening. Hopefully you enjoyed listening to that show half as much as we enjoyed recording it. And yeah, I think it was a fun conversation. We got to bounce around and touch on a lot of stuff.

And we're going to try to put this thing up immediately. So hopefully you get a chance to listen to it before there's even more trades and before it becomes completely outdated. So this was a. bit of a preview of sorts from us. We will be back again on this feed on Monday evening, probably around like 8 or 9 p.m. Pacific time with Jack and Ryan Lambert, and we're going to be discussing kind of the winners and losers and big takeaways and themes and sort of some trade breakdowns or whatever happens between now and Monday's deadline. So you have that to look forward to. If you've been enjoying the show and you want to help spread the love, you can help us out by

leave in a rating and review wherever you typically listen to podcasts a lot of you have done so already and once again i greatly appreciate each of you that have done so if you haven't done it yet please consider just it really takes up a minute of your time honestly it's as simple as just hitting that five-star button so thank you for doing that in advance and yeah we'll be back on on monday evening then and then we're going to kind of get into a bit more of a regular schedule so thank you for listening to the show thank you for supporting it hopefully all of your trade deadline wishes come true for your favorite team and you enjoy the festivities up until then and we'll chat soon. Hockey P.DOCAST with Dmitri Filipovich. Follow on Twitter at Dim Philipovich and on

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