The Hockey PDOcast - Episode 84: Overreacting to Small Sample Sizes

Episode Date: May 2, 2016

Pat Holden joins the show to share his own first-hand experiences of life before, during, and after having Bruce Boudreau as his team's head coach. We also discuss what we're looking for in the Penguins/Capitals series, where subtle advantages for either team can be had, and whether Tom Wilson is crossing the line. Here’s a quick rundown of the topics covered: 0:30 Bruce Boudreau's coaching résumé 9:30 Penguins and Capitals Xs and Os 16:45 Tom Wilson's shenanigans 22:30 Andre Burakovsky's breakout Every episode of this podcast is available on iTunes, Soundcloud, Stitcher and can also be streamed right here on the website. Make sure to not only subscribe so that you don’t miss out on any new shows as they’re released, but also take a minute to leave a glowing review. Thanks for listening! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices If you'd like to gain access to the two extra shows we're doing each week this season, you can subscribe to our Patreon page here: www.patreon.com/thehockeypdocast/membership If you'd like to participate in the conversation and join the community we're building over on Discord, you can do so by signing up for the Hockey PDOcast's server here: https://discord.gg/a2QGRpJc84 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

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My name is Demetri Filipovich. And joining me is, let me get this right. You work for a Russian machine, today's Slapshot, and then just the internet in general, right? I think that's about right. Yeah, it's my buddy Pat Holden. Pat, what's going on, man? Hey, man, how you doing? I'm good. I'm excited to have you on. You write about the Caps. You're a Caps fan. So we're going to spend a lot of time in this episode diving into that series because it really is just pack with all sorts of intriguing goodness. But I think before we get there, I did want to discuss Bruce Boudreau with you, who's recently unemployed. And mostly because you got to live the Bruce Boudre life for, I think, what, four, four and a half years there.

And then you got to live a couple of years post-Budrow with Dale Hunter and Adam Oates before you got back into a healthy, loving relationship with a coach you could trust and Barry Trots. So I don't know. I guess a good place to start is just why do teams still – and you got the kind of experience. is firsthand. Why do teams still overreact so hard to four to seven game samples of unfortunate results? It's a good question. And with Boudreau, it almost even boils down to single one game seven samples, you know? It's not like his team all of a sudden forgets how to play hockey and loses 10-0 in four straight games, you know? Right. So yeah, man, it's curious because the main thing that it boils down to is, is Anaham going to get a better coach.

And I don't see the answer to that being, yes. It's not like anybody in Boudreau's neighborhood, like Babcock or Quenville is walking through that door, you know? Right. So it's a curious decision. You know, teams just, there's no over-emphasis on postseason success, especially in North American sports. And, you know, unfortunately, it's cost Boudreau two jobs now. Yeah. Well, I think the main argument, which I,

give a little bit of credence to, because it makes sense there's a human element to the sport, and it makes sense that after a while, maybe the players in the room, his message is kind of worn off a bit, but that doesn't really explain why, you know, they were such a dominant regular season team, especially in the final couple months of the season, and they were one win away from beating a really good Predators team. So, as you said, like, it would be a totally different thing if they just got completely blown out of the water and got swept in four games, but they were so close. And I feel like we're putting a bit too much. much stock here into what a coach can and can't control, right? Like, I, like, I don't know,

was he just not giving them a good enough of a pep talk before the game or something? Like, I don't know. Like, how was, how is this reflective on his abilities as a coach that they just lost one game? Right. It's not, it's not as if he's out there giving himself, you know, subpar goaltending in game sevens. And if it's really boiling down to that, you know, there's something lacking from a motivational aspect, I mean, I don't know, it's really, for me, when it's NHL players and you're talking about that, that comes down to the players. It's not like in miracle,

like some coach comes in every, before every big game and has, and the difference is, does the coach give a good enough speech, you know? Yes. It's really come down to poor goaltending for him. And I think to some extent, no luck with pucks going in the net.

And the human aspect is a good point. I think in Washington, while there was a large degree of, PDO affecting the team's performance around the time that he was he was let go. There was some tension at times between him and Ovechkin. The team was floundering at times. They went to a trap style, you know, all that stuff. I think there might be some, you know, some credit to that argument in Washington,

even though I still don't know that it was the right decision to let him go. But yeah, in Anaheim, you know, they were after they got over not being able to buy a goal the first few months of the season and adjusted, they were, I mean, the best team in the league, arguably, you know? Well, it's also, I think we don't really know this for certain, but I feel like it's, it's tough to differentiate between what the coach is responsible for in terms of tactics and approach over time and how much of it is maybe meddling from ownership or from the GM, right? Like, I mean, in Washington especially, it feels like it would have made sense that after a few

years of not getting the results they wanted, that maybe he made those changes himself because he was panicking and he thought he needed to do something different to keep his job, but it's quite also possible that a George McPhee or a Ted Leonez was like, hey, you got to like change something here. Otherwise, we're going to fire you. And then they wind up firing him anyways. And I don't know, like it's weird because Ducks fans seem to be, from my limited interactions with them online, they seem to really be all for getting rid of Boudreau, just like fed up with three years now of losing in the same sort of fashion. But in Washington, what was it? In Washington, what was like. And maybe has the perception of his time there changed now that kind of things are better than

they were for a few years there. And you've gotten a chance to kind of reflect in hindsight on what it was like. Yeah. I mean, I think certainly the disastrous era is after Boudreau. With Hunter and Oates, definitely opened some people's eyes. So, oh, wait, maybe, maybe this guy actually knew what he was doing. Right. I think you'll always get the crowd that puts an over-emphasis on a lack of success in the playoffs. But, you know, I think it's probably still split between those people who liked Boudreau a lot and thought it was just some bad luck in the playoffs versus people who the bottom line to them is always going to be playoff success. But that being said, I think, I think in general people in Washington, even his detractors look a lot more favorably upon his

time here after the not-so-good coaching reins that came in after him. Yeah, I think when you see that the grass isn't always weird, it kind of makes you gain a certain level of appreciation for what you once used to have. And I don't know, I can't really see the ducks improving here. Like, there are some intriguing names out there, and they could potentially, it could be a somewhat lateral move. And they have so much talent on the roster that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them make a long playoff run next year. And I think that's just because they have a really good team rather than the coach kind of fixing something that Boudreau was doing wrong. but it'll be interesting to see how people spin that. But for Boudreau himself, I feel like it's pretty fair to say we're in agreement here

that whichever team he goes to is going to become instantly better next season, right? Yeah, I mean, there's, you know, he's not taking the job of any of the coaches that are kind of in his tier, so to speak, the upper tier of coaches. So, yeah, I mean, the coach that he's replacing whether, you know, he's sure to be an improvement, I would say. Yeah. Yeah, there's some. interesting teams out there with Minnesota and Ottawa and Calgary.

I would personally love to see a team like the abs bring them on because they could actually become good and entertaining rather than just entertaining. That'd be too easy. But yeah, it seems like they're not going to do that. And another team was the Islanders that I pegged, because I picked the Panthers to beat them in round one, and I thought that that would be a good move for their franchise moving forward just because maybe they could, if they lost quickly,

they could sort of, it'd be more palatable to get rid of cap, I know I'm bringing a better coach, but now that they're advancing in the playoffs, it seems unlikely they're going to make a drastic move like that. Yeah, I think, yeah, I had the same thought when, as from a Caps fan perspective, and somebody that's grown up in Washington and, you know, the Capps play, the Islanders, my thought was, man, I sure I'm glad that the Islanders won in round one, because I think that'd be a prime landing spot. But that, I mean, that's a fun team.

That'd be a terrifying combination for the Eastern Conference, I think, at Boudro, if that coaching spot had opened up. Obviously, it's not going to at this point. And you never know. I mean, he could always take a year off if there's not any vacancy that he thinks, you know, works well for him. He could always wait till next summer when more appealing jobs open up. Hey, I mean, maybe I'm, I'm looking for a new co-host for the PDOCast. I mean, if Bruce wants to spend a year here, kind of just palling it around with me, I think we could make that happen. He might be open to it. Yeah, throw some feelers out there. All right, let's get the Penguins Capitals, and we're recording this on a Saturday afternoon before they've actually played the game, too, so we really only have one game to work off of.

But I think if it was any sort of indicator that this is going to be one heck of a series, I think. It was so much fun. Game one was so much fun, wasn't it? I mean, just no matter what team you're rooting for, whether you don't follow either team, it was just so, so much fun hockey. And I really didn't understand the national broadcast on NBC Sports. sent work here, you know, they were very critical the game, said it was sloppy hockey, missed assignments, all those. I mean, I saw it as

some of the best offensive players in the game getting to do their thing. Yeah, I mean, it's easy to miss assignments when you're playing at such a rapid pace, right? It's just tough to keep up if you're a defenseman, I think. Right. I mean, when, you know, when you've got you know, Malkin, Kessel,

and Krasby on three different lines and Baxter and Ovechkin line, followed by Kuznetsov line, I mean, there are going to be some misassignments when so much of the forward ice time is being taken up by guys who can just make you look silly, even if you're a decent defender. Yeah. So, I mean, the one big takeaway I had, I mean, there were a couple takeaways, but the first one that I had was, it was interesting to see that the two teams were just going power on power. And I guess that's more in Trots'es' wheelhouse, because he does get to kind of dictate the final matchups. And he was comfortable going with

Baxterinovetchkin against Crosby's line, it seemed like for the most part. And then having, Kuznetsov go up against that Kessel Hagelin-Banino speed line. Do you think that's something we're going to see moving forward? Well, Trott certainly has done that all season, the power versus power, and he did a round one against the Giroux line. So I don't expect him to change it. And Sullivan, there was a quote after game one where Sullivan acknowledged the matchup and said he was totally comfortable with it and didn't feel the need to get away from it.

So we'll see if he's comfortable, you know, he's comfortable with, you know, not trying to get away from it. We'll see if he actively tries to go after it, I guess, once game three, when he gets the last change. But certainly from Trots' perspective, I think he's going to try to keep going with that matchup. He's done it for a while now. And generally, the Niskin and Olsner pairing out there with them in the playoffs, it's worked pretty well for them so far. Yeah. Well, I mean, just matching up with this Penguins team seems like a little bit of a nightmare because when they spread out the wealth like this and they really have three lines that could

realistically score any single time they're on the ice, it's it's tough to sort of put all your eggs in one basket and try to stop one guy. Like obviously Crosby's still arguably the best player in the world so it makes sense that you'd want to focus on limiting what he's capable just because he can make everyone else so much better around him. But it's tough, right? If you focus so much solely on that, then oh yeah, Gany Malcon's also still really good at hockey as we saw, he can score a goal pretty easily and how good Benino is playing with Kessel all of a sudden, it's just a nightmare to match up with him.

Yeah, I mean, I think with those three guys spread out and Bonino and Kessel doing so well together, it's a potential advantage for the Penguins. The Kapp's second line hasn't produced yet in the playoffs, the Kuznets offline. They did pretty well possession-wise in the first series. They weren't so good in game one. We'll see what happens in game two.

But I think there's definitely some matchups there for the pens to exploit with those three guys split up. Yeah. Well, I think it might just sort of seem obvious to say this, but I really think in this particular series, whichever teams forwards or I guess coaching staff is able to take advantage of the secondary defense pairings on the other team will really go a long way towards determining the winner because we already saw in game one that the Niskin and Olsner pair. and Latang and Matta, we're just, we're logging such heavy minutes and obviously going well into the first overtime played a role in that, but I think it's, it's pretty obvious that

those two individual pairings will be playing quite a bit. And if you're able to exploit the, the Lovejoy-Cole pairing or even, I think the Orpick-Carlson pairing for the, for the Capitals can really be had with certain matchups. And I think the Capitals themselves would not like to see Brooks Orpick having to deal with Carl Haglin and Phil Kessel too many times coming in on the wing off the rush, right? Yeah, it'll be interesting to see as they go through the series who Trots uses, how he uses his forward and D pairings together, because he often operates with five-man units, not exclusively, but keeps it pretty close with it.

Because, yeah, the Carlson-Orpic pairing can certainly go how their forwards go, so to speak, you know, and then so they can be exploited at times. And then the third pairing has, has had some bumps lately for sure too. Yeah, it definitely has. Speaking of that third pairing, it looks like Demetri Orla was going to be scratched for game two. And I imagine a lot of it has to do with that glaring miss check he had

when he tried to hit Benino and collided with his defense partner, and it led to a goal against. And it's certainly not the first time he's found his way into Trots' doghouse by trying to force the issue and do stuff, whether it's with the puck or trying to throw his body around. But I don't know, like, I still think that if you view it all in a big picture sense, the positives he brings to the table certainly outweigh the negatives. And especially when you compare him to a guy like Taylor Chorney or Mike Weber that really, for all intents and purposes, don't bring that many useful attributes to the table.

I just find that to be a kind of a curious move. Yeah, Orwell is certain, you know, when he makes a, mistake, you know it. And when he makes good plays, you know it. Whereas, you know, pairs like Niskin and Olsner, they're pretty steady. They don't make a lot of turnovers. They don't make a lot of flashy plays either where they take the puck end to end. And in, in general, over the long haul, the season, Orlov has definitely been a net positive for the team, no doubt. You know, he's been, he was their best possession player, you know, best goal differential, all that at five on five among the defenders for most of the season. But lately, you know, he's he's had the glaring mistakes,

but he's also the underlying numbers have dipped two. And so he hasn't gotten a save at five-on-five, it seems like, since March, too. So all those three things together, you know, obviously I think he brings more to the table than Taylor-Trony, but I think the decision at this point is understandable with so many glaring mistakes over the past six weeks or so. And then the underlying numbers have dipped too and the puck luck making every mistake, all the more glaring when it ends up in the back of the net. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense. And listen, Trots isn't the only coach here. I think pretty much every single coach in the league is very susceptible to this sort of stuff, especially this time of year where you really want to try and not beat yourself

and you want to limit these sort of glaring mistakes and they're very easy to latch on to and point to as the reason you potentially lost the game or the series swung. And we see these coaches kind of gravitate to a more conservative, either style or player. And I think that's a shame, but I understand why it happens. Yep. And, you know, in the end, I do disagree with the decision to take him out. But I'll give Trots credit that there have probably been since, I don't know, the beginning of March, probably five or six plays like the play in game one where he could have sat

Orloff over a play. So, you know, while I think it's a little risk averse, a little more risk averse than I am to take him out of the lineup because of the mistakes, he's given him, he's given him a pretty long leash in terms of how I think most coaches would have handled those big mistakes from a young risk-taking defenseman. All right. We've made it 17 minutes into the show without discussing Tom Wilson yet. So I think we got to get to it. Let's do it. I don't, I don't, I don't even know where to start.

Where do you stand on, on the Tom Wilson experience? All right. So you can tell me if, you know, I am too colored by, you know, by growing up in the DC area. All right. So first of all, the hit in game one was garbage. It was a bad hit. He said that he was trying to do, you know, trying to do like a bluff hit and kind of mistimed it.

It was trying to just kind of juke him and mistimed it. Okay. It was a bad hit. regardless of his intention. And he knew it was a bad hit, because as soon as it happened, he instantly looked around waiting to get jumped, right? Like, he definitely knew he did something bad.

And it almost looked like he wanted to apologize. He looked like he wanted to. Right. Yeah, he looked like he looked like he had that, oh, shoot, look on his face. Like, he knew he had done something wrong. Right. And, you know, he's had plenty of reckless hits in his career.

He's had plenty of unnecessary hits in his career. I think some of them, it's fair to call some of them dirty. The comparison that popped up on my Twitter timeline a few times that night was to Rafi Torres, which I think that's way over the top. I think that's way over the top. You know, not that the Department of Player Safety gets it right all the time, you know, but the guy's never been suspended.

And, you know, like I said, that's not necessarily barometer or any of these, but there's no way they get things so wrong that a guy is ready to Raffi Torres has never been suspended, you know. There were numerous hits this year where kind of his reputation seemed to A, give him no benefit of the doubt and B, have people come down harder on the hit in terms of public opinion they need to. You know, he had, I think it was, he had a hit,

I think it was against Lazar, where he got a match penalty and then it was rescinded. There was a hit on Campbell, Brian Campbell in Florida in the year. We got a five-minute penalty. I thought it was maybe a two-minute boarding penalty. you know, he definitely walks that line. He doesn't do himself any favors with the way he plays, but, and he's had plenty of unnecessary, maybe dirty hits in his career, but I don't think he's

in the Raffutores' neighborhood in terms of how he plays. Is that too, Homer? Well, no, I agree in the sense. Listen, Raffi Torres had a career of, a career long list of very questionable and, you know, not even borderline, just legitimately dangerous plays. Tom Wilson is what? He's He's been in the league for three years now and he's 22 years old. I think, I don't know. He could very easily, you know, cut this part of his game out or at least cut it down a little bit and actually start focusing more on playing hockey because it does seem like he has, he has skills, right? Like, it's not like he's just like a, he's not really like a Ryan White type out there that's solely out there to try and inflict damage. Like, he's actually has some capabilities as a hockey player, which is what makes.

it a little bit disappointing where you can sometimes see him he's like just circling around on the ice and you can sort of see the the wheels turning in his head and he's just like looking he's like it's like he has that um he has the angel on one shoulder and then the devil on the other shoulder and he's like having an internal battle with himself trying to decide what what he should do and it seems like more often than not the devil wins out and and he he definitely like uh he's walking a fine line I'd say is the best way to put it. I think that's totally fair. And he's crossed the line.

He has crossed the line, no doubt. I just don't think he's crossed the line and as many times or as egregiously as people like to think he has. Yeah. Well, the one thing that I like this year from him is that he cut his fights down, right? I think he was like way in the double digits two years ago. And this year, he still had a handful, but it was much more palatable. And that was good to see.

the weird thing for me is looking at his numbers is you would think a guy like that at this point would be able to use some of these skills to his advantage in terms of succoring other teams into penalties and really helping the capitals out in that regard, especially since they do have such a dominant power play, that would be a pretty useful weapon for them. And I'm looking right now, and he's a minus nine in terms of penalty differential, which strikes me as a little bit surprising. That's career or this season? This season.

Yeah, yeah. this season, up until this season, and even in the early goings this season, he was generally above even in penalty differential. But then at some point this season, that kind of stopped. And I didn't realize he didn't end up as low as minus nine. That's crazy. He's a detriment to the team at that point if he's doing that. But, you know, I mean, I think hopefully he can kind of learn to channel his rambunctious manner.

a little bit, you know, and being a better asset to the team in terms of drawing penalties. I think the offensive side of his game, it's still up in the air, whether that's going to develop or not. And to, you know, to be fair to him, I don't know that he's been given the linemates to develop that, but he was asked to play in the bottom six role as a penalty killer this year. And I think he was decent at it. His penalty killing was good. It was the first time he's been given extended time on the penalty kill, and I thought he did well. Yeah.

I mean, if he can actually become, or maintain a positive penalty differential moving forward. Like, even if you disagree with some of his tactics, that's a legitimate weapon to this Capitol team. So I'll be interesting to see if he's able to do that moving forward. I don't know. Is there anything else about this team that you wanted to get to? I know you are the number one Andre Brokowski fan.

So I was really happy to see Berkowski scoring game one. He didn't do much in the first round. And I really thought that this playoffs might be kind of a coming out party for him, and it still might be. Because I think he really gets overshadowed on this team. I don't know if people realize how good he actually is. Especially compared to his kind of developmental curve and his age range, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think sometimes his counting numbers are a little low because he doesn't get a lot of power play time.

I mean, this year, Jason Chimerra was on the penalty kill. I mean, I'm sorry, the power boy. And not Berkowski, which is kind of nuts. But, you know, I mean, at 5 on 5, since he's coming to the league, some guys that he's got a higher points for 60 then, you know, Landisog, Nathan McKinnon, Ryan Johansson, you know, those are all young guys who are considered some of the better young players in the league. And Berkowski's outpacing all of them over the two seasons.

He's played at 5 on 5 production. Yeah, no, he's a heck of a player. It'll be interesting to see. I mean, he definitely has been overshadowed and I think deservedly so. I mean, this team has some of the biggest, biggest stars in the league. So it makes sense that a 21-year-old who's really just kind of slowly coming into his own and maturing as a player will take some time for at least the general fan who doesn't necessarily follow the capitals closely to pay attention to.

But no, he's a heck of a prospect, I think. Let's, so I guess the big picture takeaway question that I have for you here to wrap up this discussion on the cap. is let's say they lose to the penguins here in this in this round. Do you think there's going to be any sort of hammer to fall from that and any big changes this summer? Or do you think they're going to realize that, listen, they had a dominant regular season and they won a round and unfortunately they lost to a really good team in the second round?

Or do you think that there is going to be some overreaction theater here again? No, I don't think it'll be an overreaction. because, you know, it's the penguins. And I think those in the organization probably realized that the penguins and the caps are the class of the east. And if you go out to them in a hard fought series, you know, unfortunate, but oh well. And I think, you know, Brian McClellan has been on record kind of saying that this is their two-year window. Because they have a, after next season, they have a whole mess of contracts to deal with. So, you know, I think they'll stay the course.

I mean, I could see him doing, you know, not huge moves, but, you know, like a smaller big move, I guess. You know, like Marcus Johansson is a restricted free agent after the season. If they can't see locking him up long term, I can see moving him for a new piece to bring in. You know, that's about as big of a thing as I could see them doing. I don't see them, you know, like moving out Nick Baxter or, you know, or anything crazy like that. I think I think that this is their two-year window and next year you're going to see a pretty similar team to what they have this year regardless of what happens in the playoffs. Yeah, I guess I'm looking at their general fanager page right now, and I guess even if they

really did want to overreact, there isn't that much they could do. It seems like most of the foundational pieces here are sort of set in stone and locked in. Yeah, yeah, there's not, there's not going to be a lot of turnover. Which I think is good. I mean, they were a pretty good teams here. Yeah, yeah, they did okay. They did okay. So, you know, the same team back and Cousnets off a year older, Burakoski, year older, you know,

I think they'll be right in the thick of it again next season. Are you, are you keeping a, obviously you don't want to, you know, get ahead of yourself here and all those hockey cliches,

you got to take it one game at a time and one series at a time, but are you kind of keeping a, keeping your eye out on that other Eastern Conference, Eastern Conference series going on? I've watched, I've watched a little bit of the other,

the whole other east side of the east. I've watched a little bit of it. But I've honestly mainly watched a lot more of the West. I find the hockey a lot more entertaining. That's not a knock on the other teams in the East, but I mean, the West is so much fun to watch. Yeah, I mean, did you see that? The Stars Blues game yesterday, the game won, was fantastic.

And it was a great example of you don't necessarily need goals to have entertaining hockey, because for the longest time, it was scoreless, but it was, you wouldn't even know. I mean, it may as well have been like a four-three game just based on the chances they were changing back and forth. There's the first siren of the podcast. Oh, there we go. Yeah.

There we go. I mean, actually, a little side note, I'm right by a main route that emergency vehicles use, too, in a major city. But I haven't had any come by yet. That's what I'm trying to tell people, man. I live right beside a bridge. It's not necessarily a sketchy area or anything. It's just that it's the most convenient path for ambulances and fire trucks to come by. But people just seem to not be buying that excuse, I guess.

Yeah, no, I'm with you. I fully support you. And I experienced it at least a few times a day and a couple times at 3 a.m. a week, too. All right, man. Well, I think we covered everything we wanted to for the most part. Is there anything we missed out on? No. I mean, I think, you know, we could go on for days about Tom Wilson, but, you know.

No, I think we did that discussion justice. No, I don't think a single bottom six word in the league generates as much discussion as Tom Wilson. Yeah. But yeah, man, well, thanks for having me on. Yeah. Do you want to plug some stuff now? Where can people check out your work and your Twitter and all that jazz? So most of my stuff is on Russian Machine Never Breaks.com.

I've heard of that website. Have you? Yeah. I think I've seen your, I think you've gotten a byline there. I think a couple times, yeah. Yeah, we've allowed you a couple times, I think. I do a little bit of stuff on today's slap shot. My Twitter is at P.F. Holden.

So, you know, that's where I do my stuff. Excellent, man. Well, I recommend everyone checks out your work and follows you on Twitter. And let's get you back on the show sometime here in the near future. Anytime you want to have me, I'm here. Cool, man. Talk soon. All right. Bye. Before we get out of here, I just want to remind everyone listening that it would be greatly appreciated.

If you could take a minute out of your busy day to leave a rating and a review on iTunes for the show you just listen to. Obviously, I'm hoping it's going to be of the five-star variety and that the comment will be a positive one, much like many of the ones we received so far. but it's also a good platform for you to leave suggestions and recommendations for how this show can get better and improve. And I'm always open to the idea of helping the show grow with whatever changes are necessary. So anyways, it's a quick and easy process for you. And for me, it goes a long way towards both getting this podcast, higher ratings and bumping it up the charts. But also making sure I can keep doing this thing on a consistent basis moving forward by keeping my bosses happy. So thanks again for listening.

And we'll be back later in the week with what will hopefully be another jam pack to episode of the Hockey PDOCast. The Hockey PDOCast with Dmitri Filippovich. Follow on Twitter at Dim Filippovich and on SoundCloud at soundcloud.com slash hockeypedioCast.