The Hockey PDOcast - How the Canes Closed Out the Caps, and How the Jets Forced a Game Six Against the Stars

Episode Date: May 17, 2025

Dimitri Filipovic is joined by Steve Peters to unpack how the Hurricanes were able to close out the Capitals in 5 and get back to the Eastern Conference Final for the 3rd time in the past 7 years, and how the Jets were able to stay alive and force a Game 6 this weekend against the Stars. If you'd like to gain access to the two extra shows we're doing each week this season, you can subscribe to our Patreon page here: www.patreon.com/thehockeypdocast/membership If you'd like to participate in the conversation and join the community we're building over on Discord, you can do so by signing up for the Hockey PDOcast's server here: https://discord.gg/a2QGRpJc84 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

Regressing to the mean since 2015, it's the Hockey Pediocast with your host, Dmitri Filippovich. Welcome to the Hockey Pediocast. My name is Demetri Philpovich. And joining me is my good buddy, Steve Peters. Peti, what's going on, man? Just another day of watching hockey. Things are starting to get exciting here, and we're starting to get down to this final four. So life is good in Hockeyland. Starting to get exciting. This entire postseason has been quite a ride. I've really enjoyed it. We're going to break down. Thursday night's games. We're going to talk about the Keynes closing out the Washington Capitals in five. We're going to talk about the Stars Jets game five with the Jets

extending that series, tending it back to Dallas this weekend for a game six. Let's start with Keynes Caps. We saw, as I said, the Cains close out the caps in five games. I thought it was a much more spirited effort from Washington than we saw for most of this series, which kind

of says it all, considering they wound up with 19 shots on goal and just the one goal scored obviously had the one goal in the second period, I believe, that was called back with one of the easier offside reviews you're going to see. I've got a couple interesting notes from this game from the Keynes defenseman perspective, right? Because we saw Jalen Chadfield come out of the lineup with injury. We saw Sean Walker step up and actually lead the team in ice time in his absence. He scored the game four goal that sealed the win for the Keynes off the rush after Rasmus Sandian's stick

hilariously got stuck in the Carolina end boards. In this one, he gets the puck behind the net with about two minutes left in the game, right? It's one-on-one. You're thinking, all right, we're going to an overtime in this one. And instead of in classic Carolina Hurricanes fashion, kind of, you know, just dumping the puck out and live in a fight another day, he comes around the net with purpose. He has this crisp breakout pass up the middle of the ice, the Seth Jarvis. And all of a sudden, with the caps caught down low, the hurricanes have a three-on-two rush opportunity.

And I think in the past, we've become programmed to expect the hurricanes to dump that puck in, initiate their cycles, start kind of trying to grind out a low percentage shot. And instead, what you see is, I think, an important development for them that I want to get into more with you here. And that's why we're starting today's show with it. Seth Jarvis attacks the middle, creates a controlled entry off of it, passes it off to Svichnikov. Walker jumps in on the play as a trailer, gets it back from Svechnikov. Instead of bombing it from the point, he works it back to Svetnikov. Svichakov scores the winner. It's ultimately a softie from a bad angle that Logan Thompson probably should have.

And there's that. And we can get into that a little bit more. But what I like from it is it actually reflected what I've been seeing more from the hurricanes, which is this slow trickle of actually attacking with purpose, right? Carrying the puck, attacking the middle, not wasting opportunities, and instead funneling the play through guys, like that line that was out there with Ajo Jarvis and Svechnikov, who really represent the future of Carolina Hurricanes hockey, right? It's those three young forwards.

They're going to certainly add more talent along the way. They have guys like Jackson Blake coming up, Bradley Nadeau, they drafted a few others. But it's really those guys. And for this postseason, especially, how far they go is going to really hinge on their ability to create offense. And so I love the Rod Brindamor put those guys together in game four. They paid him off for it.

And they created this goal that ultimately sent them back to the Eastern Conference final. Yeah, and we talk about the Carolina Hurricanes a lot and how well this team defense. and the reality is they do. I mean, this is the best team left in the playoffs, defending, their penalty kill numbers, they'll get a five-on-five defending numbers. This team smothers you in all three zones that makes it difficult to generate offense.

But what they don't traditionally do is they struggle to put up numbers. And they struggle with good, good offensive numbers with good offensive plays. Carolina goal is low to high, burns fires it, and Martinuk slaps in a rebound. That's a Carolina hurricane goal. That's the way this Carolina hurricane team has been programmed to play,

but you're right, now you're seeing the skilled goals. And to see a rush goal like that with speed, not from transition from a turnover they created at the red line, which they do exceptionally well, is creating turnovers between the blue lines. This is a end-to-end play. And you're right, the play that Walker makes on that given goal, I think that was, honestly,

I think it surprised everybody not just on the ice, but in the building. Like, that's a heck of a play, that given go, and no one, including Thompson, was ready for that puck to come back. And I don't think they were ready for it to come back to Svetchnikov, and that's why the puck got off so quick. The one thing I did have to ask,

though, because you get a different feed in Canada than we do here in the States, I'm assuming. They never showed the replay and the way Thompson looks at his defenseman Van Ramesdike after that goal goes in. I always wondered if it went off Van Ramesdike's foot or shin pad or knee. And we never got that replay from the United States broadcast. So I never knew if it was, if it was that look that I've seen many goleys give their defensemen in front of the net, like, hey, buddy. Or if he's just giving them the, hey, darn it, I'm sorry, I let you down. Yeah, Thompson was certainly be followed by. They showed him after the bench after they pulled a goalie,

and he was quite frustrated, understandably. So I don't have an answer for you because Sportsnet is actually simulcasting the ESPN feed. Well, there you go. And so they're not actually broadcasting it themselves. Or replays, not one from behind. I know. I'm working with the same angles. You are there.

I did think, you know, there was so much rooted in that that I think is very encouraging for the hurricanes moving forward. And, you know, the point that I wanted to make was, and I've been very critical of them over the past couple post seasons in terms of that exact playing style you're mentioning. I know you had that clip on our friend Pete Blackburn's, what chaos show that the Hurricane Social Media team was quick to post in celebration, this idea that they play a boring style of hockey. And certainly I think this series,

when you compare it to the three other round two matchups, was lagging behind an entertainment value for the most part. I would, you know, I suspect that that's largely because the capitals ultimately work. weren't able to meaningfully push them. I think in the Eastern Conference final, especially if we get a rematch of Hurricanes Panthers, it'll be much more entertaining and chaotic.

And I think they're going to play up to that competition. You know, it's been a slow burn. And I think because of it and how organic it's been for the most part, people haven't really caught on yet necessarily. But I did want to point out that their entry percentage in terms of possession entries and their success rate at it over the past four years from 22 to 3. 25 now, 31st in 22. They were an exclusive dumping in the puck team.

The following year in 2023-30th, once again. Then last year, they went up to 21st, and that was largely after the trade deadline when they brought in Jake Ensel and he kind of transformed the way they were playing off the rush. And then this year in 2025, they're up to 9th. They actually lead all playoff teams so far through two rounds with 8.6 rush chances per game. You saw that once again in this series.

and I think part of that is just integrating some of these guys like Jarvis, like Jackson Blake, obviously adding Stanko, Open and Hall at this year's deadline with their puck carrying ability. And it's kind of opened things up a little bit. They still play within that structure. Sometimes games get bogged down. Once they're in the offensive zone, there certainly still are a lot of low percentage shots. But I feel like along the way, they've kind of given these guys a bit more latitude,

I think, to create with the puck as opposed to just rigidly being beholden to the limitations of that structure and system. And so I think that is really encouraging as these guys keep going that they actually have that in their bag and they're willing to enable them to play that way. Right. And so I think that that is an important thing that we've seen obviously, you know, the two teams they've beaten so far in the devils and the capitals don't necessarily pose the toughest or stiffest competition along the way. And I think that's an important thing to also contextualize. But at the same time, the way they played within those, I do think reflects development and growth and an acknowledgement from them internally that they needed to

change the way they play a little bit. Yeah, and it's personnel driven. And you're right. And I think this was the knock on them over the last couple of years in the playoffs where you saw them defend just like they're defending now in all three zones, but they couldn't get the goal when they really needed one. And I think Taylor Hall and Stainhoven are exactly what they needed. And unfortunately, the Rantin and deal didn't work out.

I don't think Rantin was ever fit into the system. Hey, let's face it, this system is hard to play. Like you've got to be on your feet constantly. When you go over the boards, there's no time to rest or breathe. You're going. And it's incredibly hard to play. And it's incredibly hard to play sustained for a very long time. And you get concerned now as these playoffs continue.

And you have to ramp that up because playoffs ramp up. It's more physical. It's just a higher pace of play. And now you're playing high pace of play with the highest pace system left in the playoffs. And as round three comes on, we're going to see against a much, much, much different and much, much, much better, either Florida or Toronto team. I don't want to sell Toronto out yet, but it's going to be different.

Like, Toronto plays a high-paced speed game where they chip in behind the opponent's defensemen and looking for those odd man rushes. They haven't faced that kind of speed. And if they play the Florida Panthers, well, the Florida Panthers play a similar smothering style, but better. So I don't think they've faced that yet. So, yes, their offense is definitely better than it was over the last few seasons.

I just don't know if it's enough to get them through the Eastern Conference fun. finals. Well, another thing we saw while we're still in the note of Sakamot Sean Walker earlier, we finally also got to see Alexander Nikitian played in an NHL game after years and years of waiting for it. And he only plays 1033 in this game. But I really like what I saw in that limited time, especially that one shift he had in the second period, right, where he kind of latches onto a vetchkin, he tracks him all the way to that high in the zone. He knocks the puck away from him, gets it into the neutral zone. And then as the play transitions into the ozone for them,

he activates, he gets himself open, high in the zone, he blasts. He just uncorks this 94 mile per hour blast that really challenges Logan Thompson and he has to make a nice save on it. But I like that as well. Obviously, I think the plan for them was as much as they wanted to appease him and get him into the lineup while they had their six active defensemen healthy, he wasn't going to factor into that. But as we know, as the NHL postseason goes on, especially as you play this style and block shots and all that, guys are going to go down. You're going to need extra bodies. And so it was fun to see him mix in here in round two. And I thought it was a very encouraging start to his NHL career.

And we'll see they're going to have a bit of time off here before they have to get back going in the Eastern Conference final. We'll see if he's going to play a role in that. But it gives them another option. And another guy certainly we know it's an entirely different product in the KHL certainly. But his scoring numbers and his involvement there was obviously very high end. And so he has that in his skill set as well. and just getting to see little flashes of it here, I think was really fun. Yeah, when you get a 6'4 defense one playing and throwing him into a situation like this,

honestly, you're hoping he survives. And I know he's an older, he's an older first-time player. It's not like he's 19, but it's still, you're putting him in high-stakes games against a high-stake opponent, and I thought he played well. And I think that physicality at 6-foot-4, his ability to move and move the puck and that shot, like you said, that shots, he had two shots on goals, and he's, He ends up even for the night. I think it's a great start for.

I do. And when Chatfield comes back, we'll see what they do with their defensive mix as the series goes on. On that top line note, Svetichal obviously scores the game winner. As we said, he's got eight goals this postseason now behind only Ranton's nine.

I believe he also is tied for the league lead and shot attempts with 81 this post season. I wanted to highlight Jarvis, though. I thought he was spectacular in this game, really all series, right? He starts off kind of on the checking line with Stahl and Martin,

who can game. for Rod Brindamore bumps him up to this top line with Aho and Svetnikov. He plays 92 minutes in this series, which is behind only Ajo amongst all Cains forwards, five points, 15 shots, which led everyone in this series. He had that shot at the end of the second period that just beat the buzzer where it double doinks past Logan Thompson. On the PK as well, you mentioned some of the defensive work there. He played 10 and a half minutes short-handed in this series.

In that time, shots on goal were 5-3 for Carolina. and I just love what I've been seeing from him. It's nothing new. He was awesome last post season as well. But the combination of his motor and his skill and on this top line now, the way he plays off of Aho and getting Svetnikov in there as well, I think is a really fun dynamic. And, you know, he's very near the top of my list of favorite players to watch.

Every time he's out there, he's creating something. And I thought he was spectacular, not only in this series, or in this game, but in this series as a whole. Yeah. And I think this is, again, this is something you need to continue on and a playoff series. You need somebody that has a motor like Seth Jarvis has, that it doesn't turn off. And you need those guys. And I know he doesn't play the big, strong, heavy game size-wise, but he plays it with his heart.

His ability to get to the blue paint and to make those battles along the walls. And be a little bit of a disturber is what the Carolina Hurricanes is, one, it's what they're all about. But they need it with someone that had skill. And someone that could add points on the board. And he's got points in four straight in this series. And I think he is a difference. And he does touch all areas of the game. When you get a player like this that does affect the game so greatly, you need him to play well.

And as this playoffs continues, you look into the next round, a player like Seth Jarvis is going to be a key for this team because the stakes ramp up more. It's going to be more physical. It's going to be more, the energy is going to be more needed from a player like Jarvis because he can turn the tide. And he can frustrate those players, especially if you're playing a team like the Florida Panthers that has a lot of disturbers. Well, Seth Jarvis is going to be a guy that's going to give. Bennett and Kachuk, and not around for their money physically, but he's going to disturb him. And he could get them enough to get them in a penalty box and put them in a part-play situation. Seth Jarvis is going to be a key if Carolina is going to continue in the playoffs

this season. Another key is going to be Freddie Anderson. He was awesome in this series. You know, didn't face the toughest competition in terms of workload, but he gives up six goals against on about 14 expected goals against of caps, offense, generated 937, save percentage. I thought the stop he made on Pier Luke Dubois at some point in the third period, while the score was still one one kind of stretching out his pad and getting just enough of it to prevent that one from going in was a massive stop. And I think most importantly, especially in a low volume environment, just not giving up some of the backbreaking softies that we've seen in the past from Hurricanes goalies is incredibly important as well, right? And shouldn't go overlook. Just sometimes

I think we take for granted goalies stopping the shots they should and then you come into the playoffs. We're going to talk more about Jake O'Doninger later and how he hasn't really given up any of those either. and what a difference maker that can make, right? Just doing your job in terms of stopping the shots you need to face, obviously a couple times a game. You're going to have to go above and beyond and make a high dangerous stop like he did against PLD there. But for the most part, you know,

the goal he gives up here was Jacob Slavin, really his only blenage in this series, kind of passing the puck back. It takes a weird bounce. And then all of a sudden, Beauvilliers in front and he kind of tucks it in a five hole. But other than that, he really shut the door. And, you know, health is always going to be a concern.

We saw him get banged up in round one. it's nice that they've played two five-game series here and gone to coast to the east final. They're going to get a couple days off in between as well. And he's going to get tested more regardless of who they play, just in terms of shooter quality in the Eastern Conference final. But I feel like the way he's playing right now is highly encouraging because it answers a lot of the questions we might have otherwise had previously about this position and kind of what the hurricanes look like when they get into a series against a team with,

you know, a preeminent goalie that's really at the top of their level and whether they can match that. Yeah, and you're talking about the Carolina Hurricanes. You talked about their offense. And the other question mark that has been along this team for the last few years has been their goaltending. And they haven't had the guy that's been able to carry the ball and get them there. And Frederick Anderson has been guilty of that for this team for a while. But a couple of things with Frederick Anderson. When you look at his shots against in this series, the highest shot total against was 21.

And that happened twice. And this is a team that doesn't give up much. But we talk about how well they defend and how good their defensemen are reading the rush and getting sticks on plays and clearing out the front of the net. When they do give up a chance, and there aren't many, But when they do, they're big. And they're going to be because their defense were being a little too aggressively, leaving in a hole behind or getting someone beat off of, like you saw on Dubois's breakaway early in the third period.

He did it again against Carlson late in the third period where they were aggressive in the corner. They left Carlson alone on the other side back door and another huge save. So when he does have to make saves, they're big saves. And he's making them right now. And no one would have fault him. He gives up a break away against Dubois. But those are the saves you need to make to get your team to the next level. and Anderson has done that.

So he has answered that question, but I want to know what's going to happen to him if he does face a higher shot volume. Is it going to be good for him, get him into the game more? Because he's been excellent at getting just so few shots and still being able to make that five alarm bells save when he's called upon.

I think this is the best goaltending they've had in the playoffs that I can remember for Carolina. So things are going right in the boxes they need to check offensively and now in the back end in goaltending. So things are better for the Carolina Hurricanes than they've been in years for the playoffs. Do you have any notes? I got a few on the Cains as we kind of look ahead to the to the East Final and their return. Do you have any notes on closing the tab on the Capitals and what we saw here?

I thought that, you know, unfortunately, they waited until game five to do so. I thought Spencer Carberry finally used their most optimal forward lineup. He played Protis and Wilson with Pierluke Dubois in kind of the checking role against the top line and they did their job for the most part. They put Connor McMichael as the center. on the third line with Leonard and Mangiopani and scratched Eller in doing so. And, you know, one of my takeaways from this series is some of the older veteran players struggled the most here for the capitals, right?

Whether it was John Carlson on the road or Lars Eller throughout, part of that is just the nature of playing as the hurricanes because all of a sudden you're going to get dragged into the deep end in this frenetic high-paced style with a lot of stress and no real time to hold on to the puck. And so you're going to have to make quick decisions. and some of the older players struggled and made mistakes in doing so. So on the one hand, I think it's encouraging for the capitals moving forward because as they kind of turn this team over to some of these young guys,

there's obviously a lot of promising things to build on there. They had a remarkable regular season and not as like anything, you know, anything that happened here necessarily takes away from it, obviously ends on a sour note. But do you see anything from them either for this series or kind of moving forward? Did you want her to touch on here? Yeah, you looked at what they did during the regular season. And I think a lot of what they did in the regular season really relied on their young speed.

We talked about what his season Protis had and McMichael had. And I think it's a shifting of gears and what the paradigm is going to be in Washington away from that age of Ovec. And not like he's going away. I'm not announcing his retirement, but the shift in focus away from those older players, unlike Pittsburgh, where they couldn't make that shift. Washington's making that shift to young speed. And I think that's one of the reasons they were so successful in the regular season is those guys had career years. I mean, they had secondary scoring throughout their lineup that they just couldn't find during the playoffs. I think Protis injury early in the playoffs.

I think that hurt them. I don't think he was what he was during the end of the regular season and what he could have brought to this playoffs. I think also when you look at what this team did during the regular season, and it was a drive to the record. And feeding Ovechkin consistently to get that offense for this team to get number eight the goal, you can't play that way in the playoffs. It's not the same style of game.

It's not about getting Alex Ovechkin as points. It's about winning a game. And I think the focus shift to, hey, we got to play four lines of hockey. I don't know if we've got four lines right now. I don't know if we're healthy enough. I don't know if we're strong enough. I don't know for fast enough. And you looked at,

Ovechkin still gets all those, still gets five goals in the series, but he ends up as an even plus minus. And I think what that shows is his ability to defend. It's harder. It's hard. It's hard to play a 200 foot game. And you've got to pay a 200 foot game in the playoffs.

And I think that was harder for him. He was more physical in the first round than it was in the second round. And I think he started to get tired. And I hate to say that because he's the greatest goal score of all time. But he started to get tired. I think the Capitol's youth movement. I think this team is going to, they're not going to go through a rebuild. It's just going to be a recharge.

And I think that's good for this team. But I did think the playoffs were going to be tough for them because I didn't know if they had the depth and the experience to get them through to the next level, especially to the Eastern Conference finals. Yeah, I thought Jacob Chikrin was an absolute psycho in this game in a good sense. He had the greenest light of all time, obviously, a player you're very familiar with from your time together in Arizona. But I thought he had a heck of a game on the hurricanes. So let's go through this run they've been on.

Obviously, this chapter, this season is still being written, but they go from a stretch 2010 to 2018 where they miss the playoffs nine straight years. Rod Brindamore takes over. This marks their third appearance in the Eastern Conference final. In those seven years, in that stretch of time, their fourth in the league in most playoff. Games played fifth in most wins.

Now, the previous few times, they made it to the East Final. They got swept both times by the Bruins and the Panthers. They went 0 and 8, and ultimately, especially in today's game, you're going to be judged by Stanley Cup success and how many wins you have. And it's not necessarily good enough just to get to this point. But I imagine there's probably 27 or 28 organizations out there

that would love to have a yeah-but like this in terms of making it this far consistently and just being involved and giving themselves a chance. And we'll see. I don't, as we're recording, we don't know who they're going to play in these final yet. I'm going to save the preview for early next week, depending on who they play.

Because I think it's, you know, the Leafs or the Panthers are. going to pose a very different set of challenges for them. But I will say when you kind of reflect on that 23 version of this team in the series, they played against the Panthers. And I know they're very close games, right? You had that one marathon early on in the series when I went to four overtimes or whatever. And, you know, the shots were decidedly in their favor.

I think there were 174 to 127 through those four games. Yeah, you looked at it a bit more closely. And the Panthers were just generating more chances and ultimately scored a few more goals than them. it's an entirely different team, right? And I think maybe that's the takeaway here for me as well. Like that was two years ago and you look at the turnover. If it's them against the Panthers, for example,

there's going to be only nine guys on each side that actually played in that series for these two teams, which is remarkable to think about how much changes in two years. A lot of the big names and the core guys are still there certainly for both. But it's just an entirely different set of circumstances. So, you know, there's going to be a lot of parallels drawn to that series. But I feel like if we do get that rematch, I'm going to have to, you know, take a long look at it because I do think it's a better or different story

than it maybe was back then. Yeah, and we just touched on a few of those things. You talk about their offensive ability is a little bit different and their goal tending clearly is different too. And you go back to that, but in 23, I think they were only outshot twice in the entire 15 games that they played in that playoff series. Again, so it's back to that shot volume,

low percentage shots, Carolina Hurricane team that smothers you. And we talk about their small. smothering style in it. The problem happens when you're smothering and you're, you're quick on pucks and you double up fast and you're, you're so aggressive in all three zones. It's, I was that how hard it is to play. It's hard to play every single day at the stakes and the pace they're playing at now. And you're going to have to do it again.

And you just got done sharing a few days, you got to do it again. And it's hard. And so you're looking against, doing it against better teams. And I know we're predetermining or I'm saying it's, it's the Florida Panthers, but it may not be. And then if it's Toronto, if Toronto, ends up winning the series, they're coming in hot. They're coming in with their best players being their best players. And can that style get by and beat the Carolina Hurricanes? Carolina Hurricanes are going to have their hands full in the series.

I say no matter which team they play, they're the underdog. And I think that they're going to, if it's the Panthers, the Panthers, one thing they've gone since the last time they've played Carolina in this kind of a situation is the experience and the confidence and the swagger that when Florida turns it on and becomes Florida, they're nearly unstoppable. And they took them three games to do that against the Toronto. Maple Leafs where they finally go game three, they kind of started to roll a little bit. And you go, oh, oh, oh, Panthers are back.

And game four, they were the Panthers. And if they can have that confidence in sway or against the Carolina Hurricanes, it's going to be a difficult series. It's going to be a series. It's going to be a series with no room on either end of the puck. And every goal is going to be fought for. But I still think the Florida Panthers have the edge over the hurricanes if that's the matchup in the Eastern Finals.

Yeah, I believe in that series, Slavin got hurt in that game four. It was like in the first minute. He only played 46 minutes or 46 seconds in that game. Svetchikov didn't play at all after I've torn his ACL. And how about my favorite stat, I tweeted this out yesterday, the start of Logan Stankovins career. He's still considered a rookie in terms of calder voting this season because of the lack of regular season games he played last year.

But first two years, functionally in the NHL, a Western Conference final appearance, an Eastern Conference final appearance. Pretty rare, pretty cool accomplishment, obviously. We'll see how far they go this year. But I love his game. I love what he brought to this team. combination of him at Hall really made an impact in this series.

And as we talked about earlier and described, he kind of has helped play a role in changing the way they play a little bit of five-on-five. So certainly a PDO cast favorite, but I love that stat on Stancove. That's a great stat. And he's one of those guys, the puck just finds him. And wherever he's standing in the offensive zone hash marks, and the puck's going to find Stankhole.

And he's a fun guy to watch. All right, P.E., let's take our break here. And then we come back. We will jump right back into where. We're going to switch gears and talk about Stars Jets and what we saw from that game five on. Thursday now, you're listening to the Hockey, Ocast, streaming on the Sports Night Radio Network. All right, we're back here in the Hockey, Ocast, joined by Steve Peters today.

Pedy, let's talk, Stars Jets. So the story for me in this series, you look at the 5-1-5 play, and through five games, shots on goal, 98, 95, Dallas, basically a draw. The goal's 7-7, a complete dead heat. and yet the difference throughout, especially in the first four games, and I talked about this a lot, I did a deep dive of the series earlier in the week, was the stars, the reason why their one went away from advancing and coming back to the West Final, how they beat the abs in round one as well,

was kind of dependent on goaltending and what Jake O'Doninger had been doing compared to who he was facing, and then the special teams, right? And those are certainly, I think everyone would agree, two very important parts of the game, especially when the margins are so thin in the playoffs, yet for whatever reason, they don't get treated as such because I think they're a bit less predictable,

a bit more volatile in such a small sample. That's why we tend to focus on, you know, possession and 5-1-5 play and which team is getting the better of the looks. Yet the stars have clearly been coming out ahead in those. In game five, the Jets kept their season alive

and forced that game six back in Dallas this weekend by swinging both those edges in their favor, right? We can get into the two goalies, not taking anything away from what Onger did, because I've got a lot of notes under. I thought he was phenomenal again, but Hallibuck doesn't give up any bad goals. He gets his second shutout of this series

in a game that was honestly eerily similar to the game two win when he got his first shutout, both in terms of score, both were for nothing, and also kind of the beats they hit along the way. Kind of what we said about Freddie Anderson earlier, he certainly wasn't tested much in this game, right?

Only faces 22 shots, 10 of them are high-danger looks for the stars. And yet there was this cross-exam, Crossroads moment early in the second period. I think it was 40 seconds in. It was the first shift. The score is zero zero. The jets are coming off a strong period where I think shots were 11 to four for them.

They're feeling good about their game. And then all of a sudden kind of off a nothing play, I believe it's Cig and he comes off the wall. He finds Thomas Harley just completely wide open on the doorstep of the net. Harley's on his backhand. Yet still, we know how gifted a player he is. He gets a good look off. And Hellebuck just snags it with his glove, puts a show on after. with the windmill save.

And if that goes in, all of a sudden now, not that the Jets would have been precluded from coming back, but they're down 1-0. They have nothing to show for their start. And a storyline for me in the series has been, time's been leading, right? I do think that affects the way the teams play,

especially the way a team like the Jets is constructed if they're able to play in a neutral or even positive game script. Their style of play is lent much better to that. In the three games they've lost in games one, or sorry, games won, three and four. they led for a combined five minutes

over the course of those three games and so in this one he keeps it at zero zero they come back down and they score four on four and it just looks in my opinion like a different game from that point forward as opposed to the alternative if Harley is able to bury that one. Yeah, it's funny because this game

I thought started off where Ottinger came up with a few big saves in the first period but the second period the save on Harley but then the poke check is Johnson drives to the net. This team goes as Hella Buck goes. Everybody knows it. We've said it all season long and in the first series, he clearly struggled and it was the difference. And when he's dialed in like he was yesterday,

and you talk about their times leading, I think as a group, whether it's the team, the fan base, when you know he's on, he's on. And when you have that confidence in your goal tender, you play better. I don't, if you've ever watched a bench where a goalie has given up a poor goal

and watch the body language of their bench, and it happens game after game after game, I've seen it because I worked in Arizona, so believe me, we saw it. And you saw the shoulders drop, and you go, okay, we got no chance. We can't come back. Like, they've lost belief early. And I think when you see it conversely, when Hello Buck makes those saves, the guys kind of pull up and they kind of get this little, hey, he's on tonight, we got this.

And I think it does get the belief on the bench. And I do think that's why these starts and these games are so important for the Winnipeg Jets. And I think yesterday, first of all, their start was phenomenal. That first period, they were all over the stars. stars didn't have an answer. The stars couldn't get their feet going. They couldn't get in the puck in the offensive zone. They were just beat. They were beat to every puck. They were beating on every wall battle. And that's the Winnipeg Jet team. And that's the way they got to play. I mean, that's how you're going to see that Winnipeg Jets team. They got to be quicker on pucks. And they've got to win those wall battles.

And they did that in the first period until they got Hella Buck to save the day. And they finally were able to get on the board. The Jets did the things that they needed to do in this series to kind of push back on this star's offensive threat with Miko Rantan. And Rantanin stays off the board. and they get a win. I thought, you know, he gives up the three goals. So in comparison, the other guy gets the shutout

and that's why I kind of framed it as the Jets reversing the script a little bit in terms of goaltending. I thought Anderer was phenomenal in this game. The first goal he gives up, you just kind of break him down, bounces off Harley,

four on four and beats him. I went through his goals the other day this postseason because I had the note that he hasn't given up a single goal yet this entire run. from above the face off circle. He essentially has not been beaten by a single perimeter shot that he should otherwise have.

That's the fifth time out of the 31 goals he's given up in 12 games that a puck bounced in off a stars player and in. That's really been the biggest issue for him in terms of actually seeing like shots straight up and being able to stop it. He is absolutely on one right now. I wanted to ask you a bit about the technical side of things because because rumor has it they used to be a goalie once upon a time in a different life. And so I'm curious about this

because it's clear right now, even to the untrained eye, just how he's tracking pucks right now. Like he's squaring up to everything. He's not giving up any bad rebounds. If he has a chance to stop it and it doesn't bounce in off of one of his teammates, he's essentially making a save.

And so I think that inspires a lot of confidence as this series shifts back to Dallas, regardless of the teams play in front of them, because that always gives you a chance to win and that's kind of been a prevailing theme so far this postseason. I just think he's been absolutely sensational. Honestly, I thought this was one of his best games in the entire playoffs and he gives up three goals.

I mean, his safe percentage in this series alone, he's only been below 900 once. And he looked great. When we talk about tracking the puck and squaring up to the puck and I know those are just terms we use all time and I want to explain that's the difference. And when you see on Jamaica's save, he watches his head. His head watches the puck from the stick and he watches the puck hit his body.

And that's what we mean by tracking the puck. He sees the puck and he's actually making saves. And there's so many goalies in today's game that are using analytics and using, hey, if the puck's shot from here, I need to stand like this. And then the puck hits him, which again, it's fine. It's working. It's the National Hockey League. And if you're at this stage, you've done something right. But when you see a goalie making saves and I mean you're tracking the puck, you're watching the puck hit your body and you're

making a save athletically by reflexes and making a save. That's what Ottinger is doing right now. He's giving a very few rebounds. Pucks are going into him. He's swallowing him. He's not giving that second shot. And he looks like he's seeing every puck that's getting shot on net is getting to his body. And he's seeing it.

The one goal I didn't like in this one was the low play on the power play. Eilers on the five on three. And I know what's a five on three. And they've been given Eilers that shot the entire series down low. But as he attacked the net, Ottinger's got his stick trying to block a pass in case he goes back door instead of trying to close the five hole. that little mistake ends up costing him a goal from a play. He's made 15 times in the series.

Either's driving the net from down there. That's one I wish he would have played a little bit differently with the stick. But the other two, I don't know what else he can do. I think this is the oddger I've always expected to see in the playoffs. And over the last two seasons, I didn't see this player when it got to be the most important games. I think when we saw these most important games is when he started to fade. And he didn't play his best hockey.

He didn't make those great saves. But now he is seeing those pucks. And I'm curious to see if he can. be good enough at home against a Winnipeg jet team that's going to be desperate. But he is going to be a key to this series moving on if they're able to get past Winnipeg. Yeah, the Jets were all over them. Shots were 22 to 9 through two periods. Chances were 12 to 5 for them as well.

And it's remarkable that he kept a 1-0. Of course, when you're feeling it the way he is right now, you also get some breaks along the way and near the end of the second throws that funny play where he gets turned around in that and he's facing the wrong way. And Valerty kind of just shoots it off of his foot essentially. yet even on that one, I mean, Vlarity has a lot of net to shootout and he probably should have scored on it. It even on that one, he's facing the wrong way and he's still squared up to the shooter in a way. And so it's just remarkable what he's doing right now. The other note is the powerplay

for the Jets, right? And they came into this game, just two for 18 in the series. The stars had doubled them up with four powerplay goals of their own and way less opportunities. And early on, they had one where you saw a lot of the same struggles of struggling to get it into the zone cleanly, spending a lot of time backtracking and going back and trying to do it all over again. And then it really changed at the end of that second. They didn't score on that Valardi shot, but they had a full minute and 20 seconds or so where they essentially just condensed them below the hash marks and we're just moving the puck around and just,

and those barrage of high danger chances. I think they had at least seven or eight chances along the way and just in that sequence alone by my account. And it didn't score, but it opened up the gates a little bit for them because early on in the third, they get that 5-1-3. You mentioned Euler's finally scores one. Then later in the game,

Nemesnikov scores off a beautiful pass from by a follow below the goal line on the power play as well. And so you get the goal-tending, you get the special teams in your favor, and all of a sudden you have a win to show for it. And it's interesting how that works. You mentioned the Eiler's play,

and I want to talk more about him as well, specifically. I love that he finally got one of those to go for him because you're completely right. I'd lost track of how many times he tried that play, at least seven or eight times, throughout the series because they're giving him that down low play that the abs just weren't really trying to execute on in round one. And he kept bringing it out from the goal line and shooting it high.

We're trying to kind of quickly tuck it in in the corner. And then this one, he just brings it in and jams it in essentially along the ice and finally gets one to convert. And what's the adage? I guess just try to try again, right? Eventually he gets it to go for him. So that must be a relief for him that he finally pulled off that patent and move that he's been experimenting with and trying all series long. Yeah, and it's a compliment to what the Winnipeg Jets are doing on the power play. And it's a rare power play. We're going to give somebody an opportunity like that over and over and over again,

but you have to because they're more concerned with Shifley and Connor. And when you've got so many options that you have to take away something and you have to tell the goalie in the meeting. Like, believe me, they know. Like he knows. Andre knows that's his guy. That's his responsibility as they go into that penalty kill, that he is responsible for Eilers down low.

And I remember he's sitting in the coach's room, we used to play the old Stamcois, Tampa Bay Lightning, and you're like, what are we going to do? Like, they have five options. And as long as the goalie knows what you're giving them, the goalie goes, okay, I got that. And that's reminding me what they're doing with Winnipe Jets, who had one of the best power plays in the NHL all season long.

And now they're struggling in the playoffs to get the other players going. And they are getting that low play to Eelers, but nobody else is helping to contribute. To your point, that was the difference in this game. They got 13 shots on their power plays, and they were high danger chances, and they made the goaltender work because it wasn't, just Eilers. It was other players getting those shots and opportunities. It was Connor. It was

Sheffley. It was variety. It was even more as he getting delivering pucks from the top of the zone. So I do think that's what helped open up ice for them because everybody was starting to contribute on the power play. They're going to need the power play to be big if they're going to get two more wins against the Dallas stars. Let's face it. They're going to have to find a way to continue to score on the power play. So I think it was a good sign for them that one, they created shots. They created chances. But more importantly, they were able to score finally and get some success with the man advantage. And I think, again, if you're going to get Dallas in Dallas,

you're going to have to win the special teams race. And they won it in game five. Can they do in game six? I love when at the end of that second period, frantic barrage that they put on an hodinger, Shifley knocks it in with his glove, and it gets called off. And then the home crowd is just serenating them

with should have kicked it in reference to Alex Petrovich's game three pivotal goal as well. So I thought the crowd was awesome in this one. it was clear the jets were kind of building off of that as well. I mean, it was a continuation as well. Like in terms of those opportunities as you look ahead to game six, I imagine they're going to get some because there's just been such a startling lack of discipline from guys like Marchman and Ben in this postseason.

They've combined for 12 minor penalties in the 12 games, the stars have played so far. And, you know, Ben at the end, just the lack of composure and discipline. I know it was already 3-0 and whatever, but kind of taking that cheap shot on Mark Shifley along the boards as well. And the stars have been very sloppy. there, right? And, you know, some of their PK adjustments and the way they've pressured and then Audinger making the saves has bailed them out for the most part. But as you go along in this postseason,

and if they are going to get through this and play the Oilers, you kind of need to tighten that up because they're certainly going to burn you if you keep giving those just needless opportunities off of stuff that you probably shouldn't be taking. Yeah, it's hard. And the one thing I have to say that Dallas Stars, it's really hard when it's the guy wearing your C. And it's one of the captain that it's okay to play on edge and you want to be physical. And you want to, hey, you want to be be a disturber. I mean, we talk about Kachuk and the way he plays in the game he plays, but you got to walk that fine line, but you can't penalize your team because the margins are so thin in all of these games that it could be one power play that can make a difference. What if he

got suspended for this? I know he just gets fine, but what if he gets suspended? We saw it in the playoffs two years ago. He gets suspended. And that makes, and it makes a difference. And that was your captain doing something stupid cross-checking, cross-checking stone in the face, and you're gone. And it changes the series. And again, one of the things about being a captain for the team is about the team first, not you. And I think that's what makes a good leader. So you get concerned when it's your leader that's taking these stupid penalties. What if that's a one goal game?

I know it wasn't. And you said it was three nothing. But what if it isn't? And what if that led to something more? What if that led to a suspension? And I think you have to walk the line without sitting in the box. And Marchman, Marchman's a little different because I don't think you're going to change the way he plays.

That's him. And he's going to sit in the penalty box. And you're going to have to defend it. And you're going to have to know as a Dallas Star, number 27 is going to sit in the penalty box and we're going to have to kill it off because that's the style of play he's going to bring to this game. Ben's different. Ben's stuff happens after the whistle. Ben's stuff happens away from the play. Marchman doesn't want he's driving the net and he's going and he's going to throw an elbow up or put his hand in somebody's face and I think that makes it a little bit different. But you're

right. If they can get by Winnipeg, and they might not because of plays like that. They might sit in the penalty box now that the Winnipeg Jets power plays going and maybe this turns the tie to this series. But if they do get by and you're sitting in the next round against the Emmington Oilers, you can't sit in the penalty box against the Edmonton-Oles. I know their power play hasn't been as effective and powerful as it has been in the past, but believe me, it's there, and it can be. And you sit in the penalty box against the, the Evanton-Ox over and over again, you're not going to win.

So, yeah, you're right. The playing between the whistles for the Dallas Stars, hold the passion in check and play between the whistles, and then go try to live another day and get through the game and play in the next round. How about Nick Lae-Eler's? A player who historically has been knocked for his postseason out. output, right? And it's fair in the sense that he just hasn't been as effective as a scorer, I believe, heading into this postseason, he had played 37 career playoff games, just four

goals and 10 assists in that time. Injuries along the way, he only played in one game a couple years ago when they lost to Vegas. He misses the first five games against the blues in round one after getting hurt late in the year. In that game seven, we documented it at the time, the remarkable play after just fighting the puck all game long to get a cross-ice to Connor that sets up that miracle perfetti goal that gets them here in the first place in this series five goals one assists he's drawn four of those penalties we talked about in just 81 minutes of play so he leads the jets in goals in points in shot attempts in shots on goal in penalties drawn he's been a delight to watch I thought in game four he obviously scores the only goal they get by audinger in that game I thought

he was their best most dangerous player in that one he really has been all series early on in this one He gets a one-on-one against Donov. He blows by him wide, takes it to the net, forces Odenger to make a tough save with his shoulder. Then at the end, I know it's like a 4-0-0 empty-net goal. The game was probably already done regardless, but just the effort of the full length of the ice sprint down to beat Mero Haskinen for that puck and make it 4-0.

On the empty-netter, he's been such a dog, and I think it's so cool to see this type of a redemption from this postseason, especially ahead of a big free agency. I imagine he's going to be a hot commodity, regardless whether he stays in Winnipeg or not and he's going to make a bunch of money in his new contract, but just answering some of those questions and the way he's played despite not being 100%.

I've just loved his game and I've thought he's been absolutely dazzling in the series. Yeah, and he's a difference maker. And we talked about how difference makers are so important at this time of year. And you look at what he leads to the team in shots and shot attempts in the game yesterday. And he was their best offensive player.

And his speed, when he blows by Dononov there on that shift where Ardenture makes the shoulder save, I watched that three times. I go, what happened was like, I hurt. Did he fall down? He just blows by him. And he is an exciting player to watch. And this is the guy, these are the kind of players that are going to make you continue on in the playoffs.

And the Winnipeg Jets need players like this because I don't know if they've always had guys that had the motor like this. I know Shifley's got the motor, but he doesn't have the skill level in hands that I think. I know people are going to be mad that I just said that. But he doesn't have that in tight play that Eilers has. And him playing well right now gives them a chance against the devil. Dallas stars. Now, the Dallas stars and the Winnipeg Jets, Winnipeg's been a different team on the road. So this may change when they get into Dallas for game six. We may not see the same Winnipeg Jets team we saw in game five. But if Eilers can continue to keep that motor going, keep his feet going and continue to get pucks and himself to the net, they have a chance.

And he's an exciting guy to watch out for. And he is going to be necessary to put up numbers. They need that secondary scoring. They need somebody besides Kyle Connor to lift this team offensively. And he has been the guy this playoff season in 2025. He has been. In this series, he's played 52 5-1-5 minutes. They're up to 2-0-0-0. So I haven't given up a single goal against and then 6-0-0 overall all situations as well. He's been phenomenal. I want to ask you, look ahead to the game 6 on Saturday in terms of expectations for it, right? Because I think heading into this game 5, there's obviously an added level of desperation and urgency for any team that's down 3-1 with their season on the line, but especially at home the way the Jets were. Now, I don't want to discount. it because of that, because we also saw the Golden Knights and the capitals that we talked about earlier in the same circumstances and they lost those games and finished their year early. And I also don't want to kind of excuse it for the stars as well because this is a pair of games now in a row where I thought the Jets played really well.

I thought they played well enough to win in game four. And Ardanger was just the difference maker. And then they scored on the power play as well. Granlin got that hat trick. Other than, you know, game three, which was going to be a game three, which was kind of a toss-up before that, before things got out of hand the way they have on the road for them this postseason. They were right in it. They played well enough to win in game one as well. So this Jets team has been playing really well. Do you think, you know, the stars are in a good spot,

certainly because they're up three, two, they're going back home, they have a chance to close out this series. Do you feel like they have an added layer of pressure to close it out in that game and avoid getting back to Winnipeg in Game 7, not only because of that crowd and the way the Jets have played there, but also because as we've seen in these games, I think part of the reason for the home road splits in this series is just that the Jets can control the minutes much better against Randon and put themselves in a position to limit those. I know he had the hat trick in game one, but it gives them a few added wrinkles to explore as opposed to on the road where I think Pete DeBer can more creatively manufacture minutes for him to create offense. We didn't really see that in this game. And so I wonder, you know, heading in, obviously every game at this point is a must win in some sense.

but I do wonder about the, you know, where the two teams are at. The Jets have a lot of questions to answer in terms of their road performance. But the stars also, I feel like this is a massive game for them to close it out here, not only to finish the series and avoid the game seven, but also with the team they're playing in the West Final, potentially resting and waiting as the Oilers have since they close out their series in five. There's fear, and there's no doubt. And I tell you what, the concern is that that creeps into the room,

because you're looking at the scoreboard going, hey, we have to, to win here because they've been so good at home. We can't go back to Winnipeg. We can't go back to Winnipeg. And if you're thinking before you hit the ice in game six that you can't lose that game because you don't want to go back to Winnipeg, that's not the mindset you want to be in. We've got to be in the mindset. We're at home.

We're going to roll. We're better in this team. We're going to get back on our feet. We didn't play good in this last game. You can't go in there thinking there's fear. And I'm concerned about it. And that's why I always talk about how important the first 10 minutes of a game is to see which direction these games go.

because every one of these games and every one of these series takes a different complexion at the start of a game. And if Dallas, Dallas didn't start well in Winnipeg, that first period was all jets. And if they start again like that, even if it's zero, zero. But you see the Winnipeg jets coming in waves and getting opportunities against Ottinger. There's a concern for Dallas. And Dallas's best players have to find a way to generate offense in this game early. And they weren't able to do that in game five. They've got to get pucks advanced.

They're going to have to get stops on the forecheck that I don't think they were able to get on. game five, they didn't get any offensive zone time or any offensive zone pressure early in game five. They have to do that in game six. They have to get the momentum swing early in this game. They want to get the crowd behind them. People can say, oh, the crowd. No, it matters. You be in those buildings, see the electricity in those buildings.

It matters. People play different. So I think it's important for the Dallas stars to get one, a big hit early. I think it's important that they get a dump and chase so you can be physical on the defense of the Winnipeg Jets early. And I think you need to test Hellebuck early because on the Winnipeg Jets side, that's what they're thinking. is Hellebuck going to be any better on the road than he has been in this in this playoffs? And if he is, then they get that swagger back. But if he's not, then we talked about it before, then the shoulder job.

So I think for Dallas, it's about getting on pucks quickly. And it's about setting a physical tone early. And for Winnipeg, it's getting the puck out clean on breakouts and have Hallibuck be Hellebuck early. The reason why I mentioned the matchups, you like a game five, Renton, and leads all skaters, or at least the star skaters with 1525 or 515, he finishes with just the 21% expected goals share, I think largely because Arneill at home is able to get Sandberg out there for like 12 of those minutes. He gets Lowry just as importantly out for nearly nine of those minutes. And you look up and, you know, Lowry and Ranton and played head to head 33 minutes 515 in this series.

Lowry's done the job. Goals are 1-1 in that time now away from him when Pete DeBur has been able to get him out with the fourth line occasionally and on some of these creative shifts. Goals are 5-0 Dallas in Randon's minutes away from Lurie. And so at home, if they're able to get some more of those ranting in with Wyatt Johnson and Jason Robertson looks that I thought they created in game four at home, I think that could open things up a little bit for them. I think the other key for the stars, though,

and I thought they started game four quite slowly as well, and then Granlin scores that power play softy against Helibuck, and that maybe swing things a little bit. You look at Deshain and Sagan, and they're playing with Ben in this game, they've been on the ice for two stars, 5-15 goals scored in 12 games. Dusha in 0, 5-1-5 points.

He hasn't scored a single goal yet in these 12 games. He hit the post in each of the past two games. He had that two-on-one rush with Sagan here and nearly scored. I feel like they need to get something from those guys because we've been so preoccupied with all the crazy stats, Ranton's put up, and then the Grandin Hattrick and how well that top line has played. And it's sort of covered up the fact that there just has not been

much secondary scoring here and just how reliant they've been on those guys. Right. And so I feel like if they can break through and create a goal, here or there, that could really represent a massive difference for the stars as well. Yeah, and Duchenne and Sagan, when you look at the early in this season for the Dallas Stars, when they were paired with Marchment, before Sagan goes down, that line was their best line. And that was their most offensive line. And that was the line that was providing all of the offense for this team when when Robertson

started off slow because the injury, Dushain in that line picked up the slack. They have to find a way to score in the series. Like they have to be a scoring theory. And I know Dushain has been getting chances. We talk about the post off of the rush. They are getting their chances, but they got to score. because they're going to Dallas stars need to find offense because Jason Robertson still is playing slower. I know he's a great offensive player, but one last year's playoffs, he wasn't the top player that he was during the regular season last season.

And this season, he's coming in hurt off of the playoffs. And I don't think we've seen the best of Jason Robertson in this series. So somebody's going to fill in the slack. And right now it's, it's Mika Randen. And he has done a phenomenal job. But he got four goals in the first three games. He's got zero in the last two. They can't rely completely on 96.

However, having said that, to your point, I do think he's going to get more opportunities in game six. I do think we're going to see more. He plays 24 minutes in game five, but I think you're going to see a lot of them. And I think you're going to see a lot of them getting those opportunities like he had last game when he gets out there with Steele. And he gets out there with that fourth line and getting those kind of opportunities, they need to find a way to get him to score again. Because right now the people like you said, Dushan, is Sagan aren't picking up that slack. So right now they're relying so heavily on Miko Rent. And Wyatt Johnson's another guy that during the regular season.

I talked about Puck's finding guides. Pucks find Wyatt Johnson. Wherever he is on the ice, the puck seems to just come to him on rebounds and passes. He finds those open areas and he's able to create offense. He's another guy that I think really needs to find something in this game six. So I look for those two players to drive the offense for the stars in this game. White Johnson and Mika Ran.

Yeah, Johnson had a wrap around earlier in this game and that he almost scored on and Hullabuck made a stop on and then the poke check you mentioned earlier. So he was around it a little bit, but I think we're, you know, when we got to, in game four, we saw about six minutes, I think, with kind of loading up Robertson, Ranton and Johnston. We only saw three minutes or so in this game on the road. So I imagine we're going to see a heavier dose of that in game six as well. All right, PD, this was a lot of fun. I love breaking this stuff down with you.

Let the listeners know where they can check you out, Tom, about the YouTube page, some of the breakdowns you've done. You're working on any guests as well? Maybe it's a bit more of an off-season thing, but I know you've got some fun coaches along the way. you had any white whales or someone you're really working on that you're trying to get on that? Well, I've been trying to get Rick Talkett. Coach I worked for for a very long time. And I wanted to get him on at the end of the season of Vancouver.

And it was a hard no because of the turmoil going on there. Now that he has finally settled and landed a place, I'm hoping to get Rick talking on very soon. I've got a couple of video guys coming on that were in the playoffs of this season to kind of get some perspective from the video guy to. You know what? I just trying to give hockey fans a different perspective. I want him to see what it's like really inside the coach room.

And that's why it's called that. We bring coaches in the room. They can talk about systems and play and what it's really like to be inside a coach's room. And then I put out video showing you, hey, I know this is what they said on TV, what went wrong, but here's what I think went wrong. And I'm not always right,

but I like to give it my perspective. I think you can learn a little bit about the game. If you don't know the game and it all happens too fast, check out inside the coaches room. No, I love it. Keep it up. I hope everyone checks it out. While you're on the YouTube platform as well,

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