The Hockey PDOcast - Takeaways From Game 2 of the Stanley Cup Final

Episode Date: June 5, 2026

Dimitri Filipovic is joined by Corey Sznajder to go through our biggest takeaways from Carolina's 3rd period comeback in Game 2, and what to look for heading into Game 3 of this year's Stanley Cup Final. If you'd like to gain access to the two extra shows we're doing each week this season, you can subscribe to our Patreon page here: www.patreon.com/thehockeypdocast/membership If you'd like to participate in the conversation and join the community we're building over on Discord, you can do so by signing up for the Hockey PDOcast's server here: https://discord.gg/a2QGRpJc84 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Media Inc. or any affiliate.

dressing to the mean since 2015. It's the Hockey PEDEOCast with your host, Dmitri Filipovich. Welcome to the HockeyPedioCast. My name is Dimitri Filipovich. And joining me is my good buddy, Corey Schneider. Corey, what's going on, man? Not much. Just reviewing the game from last night,

seeing some things that I might have missed watching it live while parenting at the same time. So that was a real fun night at my house following that comeback along. It certainly was. So the plan for today, you and I are going to go through everything we saw in game two, the Stanley Cup final on Thursday evening, breaking down some of the adjustments from game one, maybe general trends, and then look ahead a little bit to Saturday nights. Game three, what a start to the series. This has been, I know kind of the public sentiment has been relatively lukewarm on this one

after the avalanche got swept, the habs losing the way they did in the East Final. I think these two teams didn't generate a lot of excitement necessarily from unbiased parties and from just kind of casual observers. But these first two games have been excellent, obviously from a drama and entertain respect to one goal games that were decided late. We had multi-goal deficits erased, huge momentum swings, stylistic differences between the two teams for nerds like you and I to really sink our teeth into eight goals in the two third period. and the overtime in game two. I think just as importantly, it feels like, I don't know if you agree with this, there was one sequence maybe in the second period of game two late, where it was a bit of those post-wistle scrum

and the players were getting after. But otherwise, it feels like it's just been back and forth hockey and none of that nonsense to drags these games on as well. And at this point now, we have a 1-1-tide series heading into game three on Saturday night. And what more could you ask for from an entertainment, perspective in the Stanley Cup final. Yeah, this has been a true best-on-best game.

Like, it looks like how a Stanley Cup final should to me. Because you've got sequences in both games where each team has kind of controlled the play, played it on their terms, dictated the pace, dominated, and it's just kind of gone back and forth. And everything's been decided by just a paper-thin margin to, like, in game one, like, Goss the Spirit just stumbles a little bit. And that's all the space hurdle needed. make that shot to win the game.

And then you look at last night's you look at last night's game like Vegas, well, I mean, the first period Carolina played pretty well, I thought. They just couldn't score. I didn't think they had a lot of great chances, but Vegas,

but Vegas was definitely like surviving that first period and they get the goal from Howden and then they could kind of take the game over, but then Carolina finally in the third period, I think I think it really the tie started a shift for them

I would say like two shifts before Stank Oven's goal because there is a shift out where Jordan Stahl's line was out with Eilers and Jarvis and they were getting a lot of pucks to the net and that was like the first time in like five or ten minutes where they were actually getting semi-dangerous shots to the net

and they were just playing a lot quicker with a lot of pace they were after pucks a lot quicker it was against Ikel's line too and then from then on they just kind of stack some shifts together and then Stankovin scores that goal in a brilliant individual effort and then everything just shipped it after that and it was

about how Vegas can contain it and then just it's they take the lead on the power play Vegas strikes back and they win in overtime like that's or Carolina wins in overtime like to me this has just been what a final should look like

just with both teams at their best and it's just kind of a matter of who gets the, who is, who gets the, like, who is playing at their best, like, at the end of the game. Like, there's a better way to say that, but to me, it's just like, who controls the momentum at the right time. No, I know exactly what you're saying, especially with games, as you mentioned, with the margin being this razor thin in both of them. Yeah, I think what I've really appreciated in these two games is that you could very visibly see the proof of concept of why these two teams are representing their conferences in this Stanley Cup final because at their best the way they can control the play. And I'd certainly say that in the

first period is right out of the gate of both of these two games, the hurricanes were on the front foot and creating a bunch of pressure and getting a big volume of looks. And then in both second periods, it's felt like Vegas is kind of tightened to screws a little bit, started to get into their own preferred sets and really start to dictate play. And then we've had some mayhem in the third period. It's so a lot for us to unpack here. I'm with you in terms of where the game started to swing in the lead up to Stankovins to one goal. I had a down really with that shift kind of 11 minutes left in the third period.

And the hurricanes dump it in, they retrieve it. It seems like a kind of nothing play, but Kiannjeehner gets a shot through. Jordan Stahl tips it. Then the puck works its way back to Nikla Eilers. He does a shot pass backdoor feed for Starr. all. There would have been a tap in if Ikel doesn't lift his stick. And then after another point shot, you get a Seth Jarvis point blank rebound that he just shoots the other side

essentially in an empty net. And then it comes to Keandre Miller who is shooting at another empty net and Dylan Coglin for the second time in this game blocks it with Carter Hard just completely out of the frame to bail him out. And you go to a TV timeout and the Hurricanes didn't have a goal to show for it, but those were probably the best sequence of chances they'd had in a large stretch of this game. And then Stanko, and of course makes the play that you mentioned out. It was certainly looking dire. Like you and I had planned to do this show on Thursday afternoon. And I knew it was going to be a fun game regardless because it seems like these two teams are so compatible with each other stylistically that something entertaining or at least interesting

for our purposes is going to happen. But what the Golden Knights did in that second period of this game too where they really kind of suffocated the hurricanes and dictated play even though they were leading. I had, as you track these games, I'm tracking the chances as well. And by my count, Ajo gets this chance with like five and a half minutes left in the first period. And then if you go all the way into that sequence with 11 minutes left in the third that I described, that's like 34 minutes of game time right there.

And 5 on 5.15 chances in that time were 12 to 3 for Vegas, despite whole. holding the two-goal lead and the hurricane just weren't really able to to generate anything and then eventually they kind of wind up breaking through. What do you attribute that to? Because obviously the stanko and goal that kickstarts the comeback is just sheer doggedness on his part winning that battle down low and removing Anderson from the puck and then bringing it out and getting a fortunate bounce off of Lowe's on and that's the hard work and kind of work ethic that we've come to love from his game.

but I was thinking as this game was progressing before that comeback, one of my concerns for the hurricanes is does feel like when things are going bad, sometimes the hurricanes can't dig out of a hole like this because it feels like they're not necessarily trying to make a lot of adjustments. And we did see the top six or I guess two of the forward lines shuffled and we'll discuss that more in a second. But, you know, they play to their system and they play to their strengths generally,

regardless of what's going on and kind of just try to plow ahead and think that eventually, they're going to create something out of it as opposed to tactically adjusting or making any fundamental changes and it's tough to do so when you're this late into the playoffs but I was thinking about that

because the Golden Knights were giving them some trouble defensively and I wasn't sure that just work harder and push even harder was going to create results and then it does with that stankov and goal and it leads to that barrage of three and like what three or four minutes of game time

yeah this is the way Vegas was playing them that second pair looked very similar to how Florida just drained the life out of them last year. And it was very, like, as a hurricanes fan, it was very concerning because this is where kind of the team always hits a wall. When a team puts up like a defensive fortress in front of them and they can't even get, they can't even get chances off the forecheck where they're trying to play like a very simple game, like they can't even, like, they can't even get like point shots through, they can't get shots from

the wall through, they can't do anything. and then the team starts to overthink it. They try to look for too many passes. Aho's line is very guilty of this. Always trying to look for that perfect scene pass instead of just getting something to the net just to scramble the defense around a little bit with some traffic in front.

And they always just kind of fall into that rudder, that mindset. And that's why I thought the shift with Miller and the new stall line, I thought was just like so critical to just like changing things. up a little bit and get something going because like if you have a shift where at least you're getting chances it's like okay we're getting something here let's try to do that again where as opposed to a shift where it's just one and done and the puck gets cleared after like a pass

gets broken up or just a nothing plate to the net gets broken up it's just a totally different it's just like a totally different feel for the next line because what you're trying to because like when they clear the puck like they get back into a defensive shell and defensive structure and when the canes reload they're going into basically another trap as opposed to catching a team that's tired getting off like I goals line was that time and I and like I don't know

this team has something this team has something else as far as like their resilience and resolved because they they have games like this in the playoffs before but it's always a comeback in the first round like against like the islanders and the devils of the world as opposed to like this Vegas team

where it's like a where it's definitely a tougher test. Well that's what I'd be you very curious to go back and watch the ESPN feed of this broadcast and see what Ray Ferrara had to say about it because obviously here in Canada I'm watching the the sports night feed and I felt like as I was watching that game progress the sort of sentiment as it was happening was kind of out of touch with reality for me in terms of the battlegrounds in this series and what the hurricanes need to do to break through because at times the broadcast was

sort of highlighting how the hurricanes just need to, you know, stack together shifts in the offensive zone and create more pressure. And eventually they did and they create that, that stankoven goal. But it's clear that they have a speed edge on the Golden Knights. And generally, a lot of their stuff has either happened either off the rush or broken plays or for check opportunities that they've created stuff on.

Like, I know they have gotten their fair share chances and shots in general, but there's not been. that much traction, in my opinion, for the hurricanes in this series, as you'd expect, cycling the puck and trying to kind of break through that defensive structure of the Golden Knights, it's kind of been a lot to the outside and hoping that a tip works. And, you know, they get the power play goal with Gossesbury getting the shot through and stall tipping it. But at 5-1-5, it's felt like a pretty fruitless venture for them.

And so, if anything, I feel like it needed to be opened up a little bit more than at one point the broadcast was talking about how they were wondering if Rod Brindamor was going to shorten the bench, down two and essentially just roll three lines. And I was like, well, I think that's a fair point, but what are the three lines you're rolling? Because if anything, that unit with Jankowski, Carrier, and Robinson has had some of the most juice on this team throughout. And then they ultimately wind up coming through with the two-two goal on one of those

rush sequences. So, yeah, I'm not sure if it's just the way I feel watching these games, but I feel like the path forward for the hurricanes to have success in this series is pretty well defined. not necessarily line up with the way people talk about them as this sort of cycle and reload and shot volume team because this has been a pretty low event series so far, at least in terms of shots on goal, and it probably will continue being that way. Yeah, the rush chances, they got aside from a few, they got in game one, they haven't really been there.

There's been some okay. They've gotten some like, okay quick looks off the rush here and there, but it hasn't been like in the volume that they're used to. and they're very big on using, like the game started to turn around when they could start to use, like, using their forecheck to, like, compliment their rush game from, like, the,

from re-entering the zone. And, like, how they got the goal was interesting, because that was a, that started off a failed reload or a regroup attempt in their own zone. Like, they sent the, they sent the fourth line out with Nkishin and Goss to spare, and Vegas sent out their, fourth line. And they, uh, they sent up, they took the puck back into their own zone. They

iced it. And then, and then, uh, Vegas sends out Eichel's line and carry, they, they lose the face off. Carrie just goes to the point and kind of screws up with a, screws up Vegas's play there. And I have no idea of this, if this was a set play. And they tell you it's a set play. It's probably, they're probably lying giving the, given the personnel. But like, the puck just goes to where nobody is, except for Anderson and Robinson. Robinson, Robinson just sent, that sky hook past to Carrier, who's flying the zone. And he gets around, he gets body positioning on Lausanne, gets the entry. Anderson, for some reason, goes to help out instead of marking Jankowski.

And then he gets open up room for the shots. And I don't know, rush opportunities like that, they don't, that's like a, that's a chance. I don't know if you would have seen in previous years. But I don't know, I think that was a really good job of just generating some, kind of rush sequence from like the fourth line off an icing play nonetheless. And I'm not sure if we would have like seen that in years before. That unit's been really good. I know that, you know,

Jan Gowski hasn't necessarily been rewarded for it on the score sheet. And he had that overtime goal call back against the senators early in the playoffs. But that line in general has really been creating a fair share of all, you know, chances. And he eventually gets rewarded for it. I feel like in your description of that play, you wildly undersold a couple of key. lemons in it. You know, it starts off.

Ico wins it cleanly back to Anderson. And he just runs into Ivan Barbershev for some reason to create that chains of possession and kind of broken play. And then the sequence from Carrier was remarkable, in my opinion, because not only does he get there and then settle the puck, but he's like dragging his foot to make sure he stays on line, on side, sorry, so it doesn't get a callback. Lozahn's falling on him. And as he's falling to the ice, he sends a perfect backhand pass to Jan Kowski moving downhill to rip it home.

And so I thought that was incredible from him. And then, man, we've got to have a Rasm Sanderson conversation because I know this has been a talking point for you as well in watching the playoff games and the lead up to this series. But it felt like he just kept getting away with it, especially against the avalanche, where whenever the Golden Knights would get into trouble, it would be because of him being wildly overaggressive, kind of pinching down the right wall. or going back to retrieve a puck and being flat-footed and kind of being taken advantage of. And each of those times, no Haniffin was just there to essentially cover up for him and bail him out defensively. And so despite the fact that that pair had like a 41% chance and expected goal and shot share, they were breaking even in terms of actual goals because of some of those plays of the last minute by Hanofin. And then due to the McNabb injury, we see the defense pairs for the Golden Knights thrown into a blender in this game.

And on both of those, the 2-1 and the 2-2 goal, it's Rasmus Anderson out there with Lozahn instead of Hannafin, and Hanifin's not there to bail him out, and they quickly lead to goals against. And, you know, the first one is more egregious because he has time to make a play coming around the net and stank up and just outworks him and takes the puck from him cleanly. The second one is a bit of a helter-skelter play,

but I think also is instructive to some of his physical limitations, which is he's just flat-footed at all times, and I don't know what he was really trying to accomplish, their positionally and uh, Cankowski just beats him as a result of it. But I thought that was a pretty key kind of thing to highlight in this game where because of the McNabb

injury, they got into a spot where their usual defense pairs weren't out there. And a lot of the stuff they'd gotten away with ultimately dried up on them at a really bad time. Yeah, I was going to mention the McNabb injury, especially on the two, the two penalty kills because,

uh, I don't know if either of those goals happen if McNab is out there because he's been a problem. for Carolina, especially in game one. Like, even, like, with his, just how good he is on the PK and just how aggressive he's been with pinching the offensive zone. And, like, using, like, one thing Vegas, I think is done better than Carolina is having, like, playing as a five-man unit in the offensive zone.

And McNabb and Theodore have been, like, the best examples of that. And I think Carolina could, like, do a better job of implementing what Vegas is doing. And they started doing that late in this game and late in game one, too. It's like when things started to get dire, Miller and Walker started kind of Miller and Walker started like contributing more as a five-man unit rather than staying back in the offensive zone more and just getting more involved in the offense and ghost and Accusion too on the or on the game time. The game time goal on game one. But yeah, Anderson's a very, he's always been a weird player to me because like I watch him. He doesn't look like he can, he doesn't look like he can skisks. sometimes, like if he's defending or skating backward,

it just looks like he's got bricks on his feet. And he, I knew this pairing was going to be kind of the X factor for this series because they play a ton in their zone. And a lot of it is fire drill hockey where they just kind of cough up the puck behind their goal line and try to just win the position battling from there or just kind of create enough of a mess download to the point where it exhaust. the four checking team and they got to just make a line change or they clear the puck out of survival. And I was like, this could either go, this could go in either direction against a team like Carolina

because like in years past when series gets the series gets tough, that's where like they start to kind of, that's when they start to kind of like get into trouble when they get all the zone to time and they can't score against a defense pairing that just plays survival mode hockey. like Gouli and Carrier were doing last series, but like the dam eventually broke there and it broke early for Anderson, Hanofen, like in the, like in game one

Hanofen had that whiff on a clear and stall scored. And then the next, and then this pairing or this game, Anderson was just an absolute disaster. Messier on the ESPN broadcast, he is the most like stoic person like on the intermission panel.

Like he is never like wildly opinion on anything. He absolutely destroyed. White Anderson in the post game after or after the third period. He was just saying like, I don't know what he's doing here. Like he can easily just go up the wall, but like he reverses and gets knocked off the fuck. He's just like, this is a terrible play by this. He didn't even call him by his name. He said this defenseman.

Wow. Yeah. Listen, he's got utility in the offensive zone. Like when he's moving forward, I think he's been effective. Even in these games, there's been a couple times where, you know, he's cycled a puck around the and found someone in front or created a couple chances off of some of those probing plays. And even in the third period, there was a sequence. And, you know, I had it in my notes.

It was very instructive in some of the issues for the hurricanes before they come back. You've got the Aho line out there with Martinuk all of a sudden taking Jarvis's place alongside Svechnikov. And the Golden Knights send out their fourth line for an offensive zone draw. And Svechnikov loses a stick. And all of a sudden, they're scrambling the hurricanes are. and Anderson makes a nifty play down low, and all of a sudden they get a couple tips that rebounds, and it's a scrambling situation that easily could have made it 3-0.

And so he said some of those positive moments, but whenever he's forced to skate backwards or try to retrieve pucks, it gets outweigh from him pretty quickly, and I thought that Herkins did a good job of kind of leveraging that against him here. Yeah, I usually do the Flames player profiles for McKean's every year, and Anderson's always like one of the most interesting guys to review because he looks like a totally different player when he has the puck and when he's moving forward compared to when he's defending. And it's definitely a strange dynamic that Vegas seems to have them more in this like defensive specialist role. But I don't know how much of that is just out of force either.

Yeah, he really should be just playing the Dylan Coggin role instead of what they're asking him to do by considering what they paid for him and sending out Zach White Cloud. they kind of boxed themselves in there. On the McNabbinjury. So he gets hurt with, what, 908 left in the first period? And man, it was a gnarly looking injury. It was like a 90 mile per hour slap shot from Nicola Eilers that he just takes flush in the face. I saw a screen grab where his nose is just totally bent in the wrong direction and he got sent to the hospital. And, you know, it sounds like he's traveling with the team back to Vegas and hopefully he'll be okay.

But it seems like a bit of a stretch, even if he is a very tough player and just a hockey player in general. that he'd be back for game three. And man, he doesn't even get credit for a shot block, by the way, on that play, despite just eating that shot with his face because it was so high and errant from Eilers. The impact of his absence cannot be overstated here, right? Like you mentioned the P.K. stuff. I was looking at it. And despite the fact that he really missed two games because he takes that major

when he hits Ryan Paling in the second round and gets ejected early in that game and they get suspended for the following game, still leads the team with 50 short-ended minutes this postseason, and in that time, the Golden Knights are up 3-1 on the scoreboard, and I thought he had a good case as their best player in game one. Him and Theodore were incredible together. They were on the ice for like four of Vegas' five goals, had three assists.

They pretty evenly distributed the top four minutes amongst their defenders, and he had some plays that he didn't even get points for where he would kind of pinch down the left wall, and keep the puck in the zone or extend possession. He had that one look where he just like, look like Shay Theodore, honestly, where he just sends a no look diagonal pass to Jack Eichel for a great opportunity. And I've been blown away by how good he's been on the puck,

if anything, in these games. And so you remove him and you get into a spot where Theodore winds up playing 28 and a half minutes. Haniffin plays 2415, Luzon's third on the team, and they just mix and match the pairs. Essentially, like they're playing Theodore with Lozon or Colin. They're playing Anderson with Lozahn. They're playing Hanifin with Coglin.

And I'm curious to see what they do heading into game three at home if McNabb isn't available. I imagine they'll probably just go back to that Corsack Coglin pair that had so much success against Colorado and then play Lozon with the Yador full time. And that'll make things a little bit easier when you actually have six available defensemen in that third pair when Corzac was on it was really good. As I mentioned, I think they outscored the abs five one in their five on five minutes. And so that's probably what they'll do. But still, as much as I like Korsak, it's a massive loss. And particularly situationally and some of the stuff Vegas does most effectively removing the level McNabb was playing at, I feel like really hurts their cause. Yeah, like I said earlier, I thought McNabb and Theodore were the best at playing as a five-man unit with the Eichel line and their other forwards.

They have been a problem, which is how good they've been at pensioning the offensive zone. I think Theodore has been the best player on the ice in the series. He's been excellent defending Carolina's entries. I think game one, I think Caroline only had three entries, free controlled entries against him. And one of them was the opening goal where Eelers just skate around him or early. And yeah, I think the jumbled defense pairs, I think, had a pretty big impact the rest of the game.

I've wondered if that had anything to do with Carolina starting to get some quicker looks in the offensive zone and just beating Vegas to every puck on a few shifts that kind of helped turn the tide because, like, Lazon is, he's a very physical player,

but like sometimes when he's out there, I feel like he might as well just not have a stick with just, he doesn't have much of a range to him. They can get around him pretty easily. And I wonder if that had a big impact on both goals because Stahl got the deflection around him on the first goal. And they had a lot more room to work with

in the high triangle on the second goal. to set up the one-timer. And I wondered if, I wondered if McNabb not being there. Like, if McNabb was there, I don't know if any of those plays happen. Well, yeah, this Hurricanes power play. It scored, what, seven goals of the man-adage in the first 104 minutes. They played this postseason on the power play. And then they get the two last goals to win this game, too.

And so that was a big breakthrough. I joke with you last week in anticipation of the series that I wasn't expecting a single power play goal. And so getting two of them in the later stages of a game, you got to win. was a pretty massive development. You're going to love this. I feel like it's perfectly curated for you. I joked about this in my newsletter coming out of the conference finals,

but we got a lot of airtime with Korsak because of how well him and Koglund repairing were playing. And I cannot shake the visual now that he just looks like the Pokemon that evolves into Jacob Shikrin, not with handedness or stylistic strengths or anything like that, but like quite literally physically, they look like he looks like Jacob Chikrin. Grim before Chikrin discovered raw meat, essentially. And so once you see that, you won't be able to shake it. And I feel like just in general not to make this a whole Pokemon discussion,

but I'm not sure if you checked out that Jesse Granger article front of the podcast, Jesse Granger talking about how these Golden Knight skaters have really picked up collecting Pokemon cards and unboxing them in general as a key to this postseason run. They're on. And I feel like that's a story that you both love and hate. Yeah, I'm surprised I didn't know about that. but I have been kind of in my own little like Hurricanes bubble as postseason. Let's let's squeeze in a quick break here before we keep it going, because I don't want to go too far.

And then we come back, we'll jump right back into it and go through the rest of our game two notes. You're listening to the Hockey P.D.Ocast streaming on the Sports Night Radio Network. All right. We're back in the Hockeyedio cast, joined by Corey Schneider. We're breaking down game two of the Stanley Cup final. I feel like just following up on the energy of the game and the vibes after it. I feel like you and I maybe got a bit care. away in terms of like jumping right to the ending and deservedly so considering how entertaining

that third period and overtime were but I do want to retrace our steps a little bit in breaking down how this game unfolded and you know off the top we mentioned the the hurricane strong start i had scoring chances eight nothing hurricanes with six and a half minutes left and then all of a sudden this seemingly harmless looking aerial pass into the neutral zone by mitch marner leads to brettowden's skating onto it, kind of outmuscling Sean Walker and beating Anderson in alone. And it was the perfect representation of kind of against the grain with what the flow of play had been leading up to that one. And then as I mentioned in the second period, the Golden Knights kind of found their footing and started creating a higher volume of chances. But it does feel like, you know, developing

storyline here in Hadron has, what, 13 goals now this postseason, which is, as the broadcast mentioned, more than he had all regular season. This year, his size and speed has clearly bothered these hurricanes defensemen. In my notes, I had a couple other sequences. You know, he draws the penalty on Keandre Miller in the second with a center lane drive. I think two times he caught jail in Chadfield, kind of turning his back, trying to retrieve a puck and just, you know, pickpocketing them. One leads to an in-alone chance against Anderson to get stopped. But it kind of initiates a strong sequence for the Golden Knights.

And then the other really could have been the final. low in this game when it was still 2-0, where it creates a great look for Marner, and he rips a slap shot off the crossbar, and it stays 2-0 before the hurricanes tie it up and ultimately win it. So I feel like that's been a developing

storyline here, and I'm curious as we go to game three, kind of what the matchups are going to look like, because that Marner-Carlson-Houten line has been playing a lot against Stank, Oven, Blake, and Hall, and I'm curious to see if Torterella and the Golden Knights are going to be comfortable continuing that,

or whether they try to get them out there, you know, against Ajo's line potentially or even the fourth line when they can and try to free them up so they're not having to focus on defending as much because of how well the Stankovin line is playing right now. Yeah, that's been an interesting matchups to follow because Brenda more seems to want that matchup with Stankov and going against Marner. And that's, to me, it's a very, it's a very Feaster Famine type of matchup and it got them a couple of times in game one. Because the biggest thing Vegas has given Carolina problems with is their exits. And like Carolina is okay with not exiting with possession. It's just they don't turn it over. Vegas forced, Vegas forced more turnovers than I think Carolina had in any round in the first three. And that's in that game one alone.

And they're just causing so many problems off the initial retrieval and off the goal line. And this and the stankoven line, they love to like get ahead of the play and fly the zone. and if the play gets gummed up behind the goal line, then everybody gets trapped, and that creates an advantage of a situation for them. And I thought Marner's line, Marner's line was giving them the most trouble with that. But Stankovins line also was creating a lot,

like on the counterattack and in this game off the forecheck. So it's been a bit of a 50-50 kind of jousting competition, like most of the series has been, and it kind of just depends on who gets the last, really who gets the last left, who gets better of each other in that series. but Marner, I think Marner's been a big problem for them behind the goal line. He's created so many turnovers for them.

Houghton's been like a menace too. And Carlson still, Carlson still shows signs of being that like 40, 35 goal scorer, but he's always kind of capable of being. But I think Marner, Marner's been a big issue for their defenseman, especially Slaven and Chatfield.

Like, Slaven and Shatfield, I've had more just screwed up breakouts than I've ever seen from them before. like they're not always clean when they exit the zone or retrieve the puck, but they're good at recovering in this series. They've just been kind of running around a little bit. They haven't been able to break up, break up plays like as quickly or as like cleanly as they used to. And a lot of it's just from how the canes defend with the man to man scheme

and how kind of their defensemen do kind of, their defensemen do have a bit of a desperation style to them. Because if they get beat like they rely on their sticks to kind of bail them out and get just disrupt the shots of the last minute. And it has been happening that often this series. And I think that matchup could be, that could be an interesting matchup to see like on the road. And yeah. And what's been interesting to me is like Aho's line isn't really getting a matchup at home.

They're kind of getting the spoils because Stahl is playing against Eichol. And when the lines got jumbled, that became more of just a power on power matchup because both Jarvis and, Eilers are now on Stahl's wing. And now you got Martin Nuk and Speshnikov and neither guy is scoring right now. And I'm interested to see like who sports plays against them because that Ajo line is still, they're still struggling. They got some points on the power play in this game and they had the one chance at the end of game one. But as a whole, they're as a whole, they're kind of just going through it right now.

And I'm wondering if, I'm also wondering if Brunemore is going to keep Martinuk on that line or not because it's like a trope in Kane's Twitter that like when you see Martinuk on the top line you know the game is going bad because A, Brindamore never changes the lines and putting Martinuk on the top line is like one of the first things he does when he sees the team just doesn't have any issues showing yeah well I thought that first line for the hurricanes has had some looks off the rush and you know there was one where like special club entries his own and kind of drops it off rojo and he gets a pretty good look from a good area but doesn't really do much with it. And I in general still have not loved Ahos game. I think the play selection or

execution or however you want to describe it has been lacking in my opinion, especially with some potential opportunities that they've kind of wasted. And some of it is what you mentioned earlier. Like sometimes trying to get a little too cute by threading a scene pass through that probably will work against the way this Vegas team defends. But I'm not sure if the answer is what they wound up using from like halfway through the second period on for the rest of this series. Now I do like Jarvis playing with with Stall and Eilers and, you know, Jarvis gets the power play goal, but I thought they created some interesting stuff beyond that. And maybe it's a way to get Jarvis going.

He's had success playing with Stahl previously. The issue for me is the Martnuk part of this equation, though, where if you're a solution to get Ajo and Svec Chavlovakov going offensively and, you know, previously with Jarvis, that line was shooting under 3% 5-on-5, I'm not sure the answer is putting a guy who scored one goal on like 47 shots so far this postseason with them. And I think one of the complications for me, and I know this is something you've been harping on as well, I feel like in these two games where Martinukes really killed the hurricanes has been his work along the wall, and particularly in defensive zone. Now, Aho and Svetnikov get primarily used for offensive zone draws. And so maybe

that limits a little bit of that exposure. But in game one, sport logic had this stat where the Golden Knights won like 75% of the board battles. And that kind of checks out with what we saw. I'd be curious to see what that number is coming out of game two. And Martinuk was kind of at the scene of the crime on a lot of those, right? Like the 2-2 Barbashev goal in game one. He has a chance to get it out. And McNabb just beats him to it.

Even in my notes for this game, like literally the first shift of game two, Stahl makes a nice play down low to prevent a nickel chance, gets it to Martinuk, he has space to skate it and he just not only dumps the puck out but ices it and it's like, man, you got to do something better with that play and then even later

on there's a sequence where I think it was leading to the penalty Dorofia of draws on stall but Tomas Hurtle just beats him to a 50-50 puck along the boards and kind of out muscles them and Martinuk goes flying and then all of a sudden it creates a problematic play for the hurt

Caircains. And so I'm not sure as much as I appreciate some of the details in Martinuk's game and how hard he works and what he's meant to this team. I don't think that in this high leverage role when Aho and Svetichnikov are struggling the way they are to be efficient offensively, that he's going to be the answer that gets them going. Yeah, Martin, Nook and Taylor Hall have been my two biggest, my two biggest sore spots of the series just with plays that are dying on their sticks. And I don't think putting Martinuk there, was the is like a solution in any means because like the issue with aho and the issue with that top line is like a they're not scoring and two they're not creating really anything because plays are just dying off their sticks off the rush when they're trying to create and martinook martinook is not going to help that if anything is just going to like make the shooting percentage go down even more because he shoots from the outside more than anybody else on the team the only reason the only way i see this like working in any sense is that it might make ahho kind of take

charge a little bit more, just get him playing, get him like as the center of the line, more playing more with the puck on his stick, creating more in the offensive zone with Sveshchenikov instead of deferring to Jarvis all the time. Like that's the one thing I can see maybe what could be going through Brenda Moore said like when he made this switch. And I, I don't know, I feel like there's other options you could have done to that rather than this because like Jackson Blake is right there on that if you want some. somebody just parked the second line and he's been excellent this series. And he kind of just does a lot of the same things that Jarvis does,

but he kind of has a lot more going right now. But I understand not wanting to mess with that second, with that second line either. But even then, I wouldn't mind breaking up the second line because Hall to me has been an anchor there with just his turnovers and not getting pucks out. So I don't know. I mean,

I don't know if like the lines, if that line switch like ended up doing anything really, other than getting other than the one ship with like stalling eilers because you look at the lines that did score it was the lines that stayed together you mentioned the getting the puck out and kind of puck's dying on a stick for hall i think the biggest issue for me has been how he's shooting the puck in these two games honestly right like i think in the game one there's that play where blake as he's done all postseason gets a steal behind the net sends it out to him and he does have to shoot it through a defender's legs but kind of just flubs a great a look from there um the hurricane's first chance in this game, too, was a beautiful east-west pass from dot to dot, from Jackson Blake. And if you go back and freeze frame it, like he's got a lot of net to shoot at.

But instead, he has to settle the puck. And in real time, it doesn't look like a long time. But on some of these lateral shoot off the pass plays, it may as well be in eternity. And by the time Hart gets across, he kind of just shoots it right at him. And so leaving a lot of meat on the bone there, I guess the top line did have the,

play, which we should mention, like I talked about earlier, Coglin really saved two goals against in his game, one on the Keandre Miller one, and then another one off a three on two, where Aho gets the first look, and the puck jumps right out to Svechnikov in the middle of the ice, and he has another open net to shoot at, and Coglin absorbs it. So it could look a little bit different, if not for some of those plays, but I do think from a process perspective, there's work to be done. What do you think about Jarvis' game here, especially after the move and then ultimately culminating with the power play goal he finally scores on on a shot attempt that I feel like they've gotten and not gotten that result on a million times so far this postseason.

Yes, to me, Jarvis has kind of had to settle his way into the game, both in game one, both in game two, because like the first two periods, I thought Jarvis was a mess. Like, just he was getting knocked off the puck and off the entry all the time. He couldn't get around Theodore at all a few times, wasn't getting open, just missing shots. kind of every, there was that one play. There was a one play that Ferraro kind of chilled him for in game one where he tried to send a, he had an open shot and he tried to hit Gostas spirit back door instead, and it got broken up.

But like as the game went on, he got better. In the third period, he was one of the team's best players in game one end. And in the third period in this game, too, I thought he was probably, I thought he was one of the team's best forwards when he got switched that line. But he was just, I don't know, there's just a lot more like directness to his game like once things get tight like he doesn't waste time shooting the puck he like he he does a really good job just reading off his defenseman too like him and miller were on this him and miller were just on the same page all the time when the hurricanes were cycling the puck and just

creating exchanges up high and that does so much for like creating space and creating better looks for them when they need to go off the cycle and i don't know maybe that one goal is what he need what he needs to kind of just get himself going for an entire game instead of their period. Because like right now it's kind of like I kind of feel this way about the entire top line. But like the way they started the games haven't been great. But like as the game goes on like Jarvis gets better like when things get and things get tighter. Which like I guess it goes to show like what it is when you get this deep into the playoffs too because like everybody's probably tired, exhausted. They played a ton of hockey at this point. A lot of high leverage games. A lot of overtime games. So like maybe it's

just all about putting it together for like a shift here. there to take over the game. And the top line, they've shown spurts of it, which is still promising, can even consider it in all their problems. I thought an underrated play by Jarvis, you know, Stahl winds up drawing the penalty on a hurdle and he gets taken down in the overtime that leads to the power play goal. But if you rewind it a couple seconds before that,

hurdles got a seeming zone exit opportunity. And Jarvis just kind of meets him at the blue line. and knocks him off the puck or it kind of sends him back a little bit that allows Stahl to get engaged in the play and so you love to see him kind of doing stuff like that and then ultimately gets rewarded for it.

With the goal, I feel like the symmetry of this series so far from game one and game two is fascinating to me, right? Because I came out of game one feeling like it was a blown opportunity for the hurricanes not only because of the early two-goal lead, but they really just jumped on them right out of the gate

and was still a tie game in the third period, and they let that one get away, and Vegas earned it, but takes and steals the game one. And then this game, too, I feel similarly for Vegas, where they let one get away a little bit and had a chance to take a stranglehold of this series heading back home,

especially with the way the second period looked and being up to nothing, not only the Martin or crossbar, but I believe Barbachev rings one off the bar as well after Anderson got just a little. bit of it with his shoulder kind of coming out from the corner in the second period and had some opportunities. Then there's the the Barbashev sequence as well, which we haven't talked about yet that leads to the three two goal and some controversy after he takes the puck from Slavin, gets two or three opportunities, it gets blown dead, the Golden Knights challenge it. It winds up

being held in terms of the result on the ice. And then obviously they get the stall power play goal 25 seconds later into that manned advantage. But I don't know, do you have any thoughts on on that sequence or just the challenges itself as well? We don't spend that much time talking about officiating on this podcast. I did think beyond the fact that if you just look at the numbers, like the league typically does not go against the officials on ice call for those types of plays. And it also looked like beyond whatever interference conversation you want to have that

I thought the biggest issue for them was it seemed like the official pretty clearly either blew the whistle or, you know, was intending to. to in the lead up to it when the puck was kind of under Anderson before it finally got dislogged. Yeah, I was confusing on the ESPN broadcast because like until they brought in Dave Jackson, nobody had any idea like what they were reviewing because they thought it was in it because like they thought they couldn't tell if it was either goaltender interference or if it was that they blew the play dead, which usually if they blow the play dead, the officials are not going to change like the ruling on that even if you review it. And it was a very,

And it was a very dubious challenge by Tortorella considering all that because that's a call that the officials do not buck on ever, even if you think there's goal interference because they said the play is dead. They said the play is dead when Anderson covered it and they lost side of the puck and they're not going to like waver on that. Although one thing that was going through my head was like even if Tortoralla thought like there's maybe a 0.5% chance that this is right, then we then like we probably win the game. or at least take like a pretty big stranglehold of this game. But it's also like then we put the hurricanes on the powerplay and this power play has done absolutely nothing all series. So it's like maybe in his mind that he thought there was no risk there. That's kind of what was going through my head. And I think I, my stream is also behind it when I, I think when I tweeted that like they had already scored on the power play.

Because I was like, oh, power play's been so bad. You might as well just challenge it. Yeah, it didn't work out. I didn't think the risk reward considering some of those factors you mentioned. mentioned was as bad or agreed as it looked, but obviously went against them. A couple other notes before we close out today's show. You know, on the Vegas side, I wanted to shout out Pavl D'Refiev. He has not scored a goal yet in this series, but I've been so impressed with his strength

on the puck and work rate. You know, he was doing some of this stuff earlier in the postseason, but against this Hurricanes team, like the play he makes where he draws the penalty on stall to just hold off one of the strongest players in the league in his back pocket as he's coming around the net was I thought impressive and then he had a sequence a couple minutes later where at the end of that power play I believe Sean Walker is trying to clear it on his backhand and he cuts it off and kicks it right to Tomas shirt all out front and Freddie Anderson pokes it away so nullifying a scoring chance opportunity but he does so as he's absorbing a massive check from Sebastian Ajo that levels him and so

I know D'Orfea has kind of been a polarizing player at times because on the one hand he scores a million goals on the other i think conversation people are going to have is how much that's worth um considering some other potential limitations in his game but man some of the stuff he's been doing to extend possessions and do what the goldenites are trying to do to the hurricanes right now i think it's been huge in terms of putting that on tape and belief that there's a player kind of rounding into the forum and and has a bit more versatility maybe that we initially thought yeah that's what the playoffs are all about just having guys like just play into their play into their role and just contribute in any way they can when they're not scoring.

And he's been probably the best example of that, I think. Like I thought the Kane's top line, the first three rounds, they were kind of filling that role of just doing wherever they can to contribute him if they're not scoring. And Dorfiev, he's been, like, to me, he's been a big problem for Carolina with their breakouts, especially in game one, just where they're getting trapped in their own zone all the time or just plays are getting killed in the neutral zone and dorothea has been dorothea's been a big like issue for them like i would say dorothea and mariner have been their biggest problems with

trying to create from their own zone because like plays are just getting cut off and stopped behind the goal line all the time yeah i uh you know pretty henderson's giving up eight goals against on 49 shots Carter Hart's given up eight on 55 I in tracking this and comparing it to the play by play data I feel like both goalies have not faced nearly that many shots

particularly for Vegas I feel like the scorekeepers have tacked on at least five or six extra like dump ins from the neutral zone that trickled their way slowly on net and it's like oh wow saved by the goalie when probably a defender even if it was an empty net

probably would have gone back in time to clear it and it wouldn't have even been a goal if a goalie literally was not in play. Yeah, the dump-ins and the flub shots have been a big issue with the play-by-play. There was also this weird shot in game one. Like Aho got behind the defender and I think McNabb got a stick on it and the puck went out of play. They counted that as a shot on goal. It's like, I don't think it even touched heart.

And that's why the reason why I bring that up is like on the one hand, the her, and you know, people had questions about the hurricanes all season, all post-season. And then even before this series, it's like, well, the quality of competition defensively is going to increase. Is this new look offense really going to be able to keep generating, scoring the way they have? And you get eight goals in these two games. And that's great. And they've been really efficient when you look at it from a percentage perspective. And really, I feel like if anything, they should feel unfortunate that they haven't scored double-digit goals.

Because as I mentioned, like, you get the two Goughlin stops when the goal is just completely out of position in game two, the Marner block. on Nkation that looked like it was going in at the end of game one, a couple other opportunities, either off post or crossbars or just in general. And, you know, the Jarvis goal in overtime is a good example of this. I feel like every time they've gotten hard moving laterally, there's been a lot in it to shoot at, but they've either kind of sent it over the net or taken a bit too long to corral it and allowed them to get back into positions. So there's a lot to work with in terms of stuff they're doing, being successful,

even against a team this good defensively. one of my questions as this series goes back to Vegas is if there's a blueprint for creating more in-zone offense because still I don't view any of those goals especially at even strength as ones where it's like cycling the puck around and creating it against a set defense it's all been quick turnovers or broken plays and then rush stuff in game one

and that might just be enough to win this series for Carolina and it's going to be really tough for anyone to create in-zone offense against the goal of night when they have all five defenders in position, but I don't know if you have any takes on sort of potential holes in that armor or avenues to actually testing them and then creating goals off of that as opposed to being so lenient on just a couple of things they've done so far. Yeah, it's going to be tough to do that if they get caught into a cycle game

because really their best chances of scoring off those are tips and deflections, which they go for all the time. And to me, those are 50-50 plays because like a deflection, if it gets on net, it's a high danger play, but it's like a 30% chance the fuck even gets on net. And probably even less against these Golden Knights defenders with the way they position it and try to front those shots, I feel like.

I mean, you know, to their credit, Carolina got a couple more in game two than in game one, but generally teams have not a lot of had not a lot of success trying to shoot for tips against this Golden Knights deep. Yeah, and that's why, like, I keep harping on that shift with the stall line with Miller and Walker back there

because that's when they were getting looks with a with a set cycle which is something they haven't really something they've really kind of struggled to do all playoffs long and it's just it's just not their strength even with Eilers like it's not their strength as far as like scoring goals goes but it is a strength as far as like

building the rest of the building the rest of their game because like it wears the defense out it gets guys tired it catches you off bad line changes and then that's what leads to the turn that's what leads to turnovers breakdowns and broken plays which is what their what their bread and butter is so like It depends on like if they fall behind early or not in these games.

Because if they fall, if they if they fall behind, that's when they fall into like their old bad habits and just weak offensive zone play. I feel like if Vegas wins this series, I'm going to have a lot of added appreciation for whichever cons my voters have Shay Theater in their top two or three. And I'm worried about how low that count is actually going to be. but man, beyond just the points and he's scoring a lot

like he has five goals as a defenseman and nearly a point of game. But what he's doing in terms of the specific role and I know you hit on this earlier but I just wanted to bring it home. Like with McNabb out, he has to play 28 and a half minutes in game two. His defensive game,

he mentioned some of the breaking up the entries just in general. Like it feels like he's absorbing a lot even in zone when the hurricanes do wind up getting opportunities down low. And he's been doing this for a while now. and, you know, eating up PK time as well when needed, which is something he didn't do previously,

but I think he's been phenomenal. And it's a player who's always been really good and really efficient, but he's always done it because of the benefit of all the personnel they had in the blue line, getting to do it in like 20 to 21, 22 minutes per game. And now all of a sudden this postseason, he's playing 25 and a half. He's going to pass Lane Hudson in game three for most total minutes by any player this postseason. And for him to still be this efficient and this dynamic, I think is quite an accomplishment for him.

He has become the Alex Petrangelo of their team now, just the cardio monster who can handle all these huge minutes, huge matchups, and he's contributing, and he's still the same player offensively that he was three years ago, and his all-around game just got it. He's come such a long way since Vegas's first Stanley Cup run.

I feel like nobody's really talking about it, because like this is a top, like this is a top 10 defenseman Bardun, and I think people are, people who are paying attention are finally seeing it now. And it's been, it's interesting to me, like,

because a lot of times when a defenseman is like 25, 26, you think like, okay, this is who he is. Like, it's not going to get better. But he had to slide into a bigger role,

like in his late 20s and just look at him. Like he's, like he's passed it with flying colors. Like both him and like, both him and like, and Surgich, after going to Utah, I think have really like,

shown that you can step into a bigger role from being, like the sheltered, the sheltered three, four defensemen to the top pairing defensemen. Like that step can still happen on a contending team. But he's been the best player on the ice this series. And the cons might is going to be very interesting, especially since it's like a writer voting type of thing. It's not just like it's so it's going to be, I feel like it's a lot more open season now, especially if the hurricanes win of like just who like people think was the best

player. I think it's going to be a lot more just like personal thoughts are driven rather than just like who had the most points or whatever. And I think, I think Marner and Howden probably have the front ring case of Vegas wins just from their scoring. But Theodore definitely, I would be it on top of list if they win. Well, if the Hurricanes win this series, I feel like the crossroads moment in game two and the place thank open made when things looked as dire as they did is going to leave a lasting impression. And I love the coming out of that game. Michael Russo at the athletic at the headline,

the hurricanes needed a big moment and their smallest player delivered. And so I love the drama of that. And it's a perfect encapsulation of what happened there. You got anything on the way out in terms of what you're looking for in game three that we haven't talked about yet.

You know, I think for me, we mentioned this a little bit, but just in general, like the hurricanes have been very diligent about trying to get stall out there against Ikel. And they've come out well in those minutes.

and I'm curious to see what Vegas does with that, now that they have the benefit of last change and how some of these matchup minutes look like, and that's probably the most interesting part to me. Because in game one, they used stall a lot, probably more than I think they want to at this stage of his career. And then the minutes came down a little bit in game two, but he made a lot of huge plays with the power play goal,

drawing the penalty in overtime, while the face-offs he won, the seven hits. Like, I thought he was immense. And so I'm kind of curious to see what that looks like, considering neither team is the benefit, an extra day off, right? Like, we're jumping right back into game three with just one day in between on Saturday night. Yeah, the matchups are definitely one thing, especially since I want to see if Torrella sends anybody out against Aho, if, like, if Ajo gets any matchup whatsoever. And, like,

it's not as big of a deal with Vegas because, like, their quote unquote, third line is still, still has Tomash Hurtle and Mark Stone on it. But that line, that line's been interesting to play against because they've been able to pin them in a bunch, but they've also scored two of the biggest goals in the series. So, I want to see who gets sent out against Aho. And I also want to see if they go back to using Jarvis and kind of the quasi-checking role with Stahl, just because it did so much to help the team get back into the game.

Even if it's just for like a shift or two, I want to see if they do that because Brindamore is big on like changing up the lines for a couple of shifts and then kind of sending everybody back to where they're supposed to be. And I also want to see if Vegas is a little more, I want to see if Vegas plays a little more off the rush because I don't know what your numbers are but in game one I had them with them one one total shot off the rush all game

and this game two I haven't tracked it yet but two of their goals are off the rest obviously they had more but they haven't shown any interest in really playing that type of way and just kind of focusing more on working behind the goal line and cycling the hurricanes and letting like

and just like forcing them into mistakes so I want to see if that changes once they go back to Vegas and like team and see if they play differently at all. Which is interesting because I know and listen, like Madison, I talked about a lot coming out of game one, the conversation about the man-on-man in zone defense by the hurricanes and sometimes there being spaces in that kind of middle high ice that it felt like the golden ice used to great success in game one.

I would still view the biggest defensive vulnerability, some of the odd man rushes against, and when you can catch them a bit up ice. And so I did think that was notable. that in game one, I similarly had just the one rush look for the Golden Knights. And in game two, I think I had six or seven for them. And obviously they got the two Howden goals, but even, you know, Stone got one, Barbachev got one. I think Carlson got one. So they started opening it up a little bit there. And then just in general, seeing what that does to, I guess, the game environment, right? Because

maybe it shouldn't be surprising given how the Golden Knights play. But I do think, you know, there's been a lot of goals in this series. But as I mentioned, not actually a lot of shot volume and partly because of all the blocks for both teams, but it probably is an area where if you're like shots on goal are 22 to 20 and a good chunk of those are dumpins from the neutral zone. That seems like it probably lends itself more to Vegas's kind of preferred style of how they want these games to go. Yeah. And like Vegas is the most like chameleon like team they've had to play and they've had to play in this run. So like whatever kind of pace they can whatever pace they want to play with they can probably match it like against colorado they had to take their lumps early in that series they survived them and then they could

kind of flip the script and play on their terms so i want to see if that happens to carolina but it might be a little different now that the series is one one instead of Vegas being up to nothing because like because i i feel like it's i feel like carolina's kind of uh they've done a lot of things that are very unlikely like coming back twice against Vegas and both games and then coming down from two nothing. I'm not sure how many lives they have left if they're going to play that type of shame where they're falling behind. I agree.

I'm looking forward to it, man. This game three is going to be awesome. And I've really enjoyed the series. And I'm sure there's going to be a lot of more twist and turns. And we're going to be breaking that all down on the show. I know you're going to be tracking these games and putting out fun nuggets about what you're seeing as well. So I'll let you promote that a little bit.

And I'll let the listeners know where they can check you out. Yeah. I'm tracking every game in the same. series. They'll be up the next day up on all three zones at substack.com. Some of it will be behind a paywall. Some of it won't be. And if you want access to it, you can buy a subscription on substack or you can go to all three zones.com and buy a subscription there. As the article, they're going to be posted on that website too. And they're also going to be at my Patreon.com slash all three zones. And you can also find me at shut downline on

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